התמלול המלא של DRUNK ABOUT SOMETHING: CATHERINE KNIGHT AND THE IDAHO 4 RECAP

recapping our episode about Catherine Knight and the Idaho 4, which just came out this past Friday. 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:17.919 And if you're on YouTube, when this comes out, we will literally be going to Rockville tomorrow. 00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:18.479 Yeah. 00:02:18.719 --> 00:02:20.400 And I'm I'm so ready. 00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:20.960 I'm so ready. 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:21.439 I'm excited. 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:23.199 I'm so excited! Yes. 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:23.599 Yeah. 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:27.759 This is our that's our trip that we look forward to every year. 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:31.039 Yeah, because you know, I'm about to lose control and I think I like it. 00:02:31.280 --> 00:02:31.599 Yeah. 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:33.039 I just you know figured out. 00:02:33.439 --> 00:02:43.520 Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna get to see Lamb of God and Parkway Drive and Lorna Shore and Slaughter to Revel and My Chemical Romance and what am I missing? 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:44.639 I'm missing a lot. 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:48.400 Uh Spine Shake will be first time for us. 00:02:48.639 --> 00:02:49.439 Not for us. 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:50.879 Well, for me, excuse me. 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:53.360 So that's what made me feel old right there. 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:56.879 Last time I seen Spine Shake was in the 90s. 00:02:57.840 --> 00:02:58.479 Oof. 00:02:58.960 --> 00:02:59.599 Yeah. 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:01.919 I haven't seen him, so I'm excited. 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:04.800 And I mean, we've got a lot more on the roster for sure. 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:07.599 Not to toot my own horn, Lindsay, at the milk bar. 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:15.280 We're gonna see nonpoints and um uh Thy Art is Murder and Chelsea Gren. 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:20.639 I'm excited for the heavy, the heavy shit that's going down next weekend. 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:23.360 Well, this coming weekend, if you are on YouTube. 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:28.240 So we'll start with I gotta go from memory here because I can't find my script on Catherine Knight. 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:31.280 So Catherine Knight. 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:34.080 I want you to give me your thoughts first. 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:36.479 It was a Catherine Knight. 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:39.120 It was a dark Catherine Knight. 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:43.199 I I don't remember much of it, to be honest with you, Lindsay. 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:45.039 Like, that was like a month ago. 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:45.840 Yeah, it was. 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:51.199 Yeah, you're trying to make me, you know, you ramble and then I'll uh it'll all come back to me. 00:03:51.759 --> 00:04:10.639 So Catherine Knight was from Aberdeen, New South Wales, and Australia, and she was born, she was a twin, and she was born into a tumultuous situation, which kind of defined who she would later become. 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:19.120 But I do want to point this out at the same time, none of her siblings, because there was seven of them total. 00:04:19.279 --> 00:04:20.639 She would there was eight. 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:23.120 Her mother produced eight children. 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:27.040 The other seven uh didn't do the things that Catherine did. 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:32.720 So I don't even want to say that that was the reason why, but you know, yeah, now I'm remembering now. 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:42.959 Yeah, she went through all the the stuff and then uh in and out of uh uh some some trouble, and then she married a bunch of dudes, right? 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:45.519 Okay, so okay, so we'll get started. 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:55.519 So she was um she what I I have to be really careful with my words on TikTok, so I'm gonna do like abbreviations. 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:57.680 Uh she was essayed at a young age. 00:04:57.839 --> 00:04:58.160 Uh-huh. 00:04:58.240 --> 00:04:58.959 That's right. 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:05.920 And um it was said that it was by her father and her half-brothers. 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:14.240 And then she was 15 when she dropped out of school and did not know how to read or write. 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:16.240 And I thought that that was wild. 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:31.279 But when um I listened to some other things about this case, I guess that was kind of normal in this area because it was an area of there was like two industries. 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:33.920 You were a minor or you were a butcher. 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:39.839 And Catherine went to the butcher side, which was pretty much what all of her family did. 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:41.439 It was an abattoir. 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:41.920 Yeah. 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:43.519 Abattoir or abattoir. 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:45.360 I I so something like that. 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:47.199 They went and they cut up animals. 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:49.199 Yeah, and Lindsay did a big industry. 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:56.000 She did always, you said it a couple of times during the podcast, like she always carried her knives and things with her. 00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:56.319 Yeah. 00:05:56.720 --> 00:06:00.639 She was she was very good at what she did. 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:04.079 She was promoted quickly within the company. 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:10.639 Um, and she was crazy. 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:12.560 We're just gonna put it like that, okay? 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:14.959 So she was a walking red flag. 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:23.439 She, her first husband, um, she physically and mentally abused. 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:25.120 And I I don't have my script with me. 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:25.920 I don't know where it is. 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:26.879 I looked everywhere. 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:29.680 And because I keep all my scripts in one stack and I don't know where it went. 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:33.040 Uh it'll probably appear as soon as we get done with it. 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:36.800 So that's the one whenever it all fell out like she was at a gas station. 00:06:37.199 --> 00:06:38.399 No, no, no,

that was number two. 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:38.959 Oh, yeah. 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:42.959 Oh so wait, no, that was number one. 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:43.839 That's what I thought. 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:44.959 Now let me let me tell mommy. 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:45.680 Let me tell mommy. 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:56.079 So she was young when she got married, and she has a baby and goes through insane postpartum depression. 00:06:56.399 --> 00:07:03.759 Uh, you have to go and listen to her full episode to get all of those details, but it is a wild ride. 00:07:04.079 --> 00:07:09.199 And she should have had her children taken from her, period. 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:12.959 Yeah, doing the shady stuff on the railroad tracks with the little baby carriage. 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:14.319 Yeah, not cool. 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:15.839 Not cool at all. 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:18.879 And then what happened at the gas station after all that fell through. 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:21.040 Hostage situation at the gas station. 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:22.319 And Hoppy, man. 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:23.279 Hoppy. 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:25.519 Yeah, go listen to the full episode for that. 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:27.279 Learn what happened to Hoppy. 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:37.759 Learn what Hoppy had to do with anything, and learn how, and go get all the details of how she literally held a family hostage because her husband left her. 00:07:37.920 --> 00:07:39.199 Like it's crazy. 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:40.560 Still got away with it. 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:40.959 Yeah. 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:41.519 Yeah. 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:59.920 So she has, so she ends up after she goes crazy over this guy leaving her, and he it feels responsible and tries to work it out with her, she ends up leaving him for another guy who has pretty much the same experience with her. 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:06.399 And she just she keeps making children, and then that guy didn't work out, and then she gets with another man. 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:16.319 And this and that's where it just completely escalates into the M word. 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:18.160 I'm on TikTok, like I said. 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:22.800 Um, and it does it, it does, don't it? 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:23.199 It does. 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:24.720 She got end up that way. 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:27.680 She got to the point to where she took him out. 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:29.759 She took him out. 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:31.199 It was horrible. 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:35.519 But the road to her taking him out is wild, so please go listen to the full episode. 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:38.080 And the rump roast that she had cooking too. 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:39.360 So that's uh yeah. 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:45.519 So I mean, I like I said, I being on TikTok and YouTube at the same time. 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:50.000 I don't even know YouTube's uh rules, but we get restrictions sometimes from TikTok. 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:54.960 So I'm I'm like,

I gotta be a lot more careful with how I explain things in these recaps. 00:08:55.519 --> 00:09:07.840 Um so yeah, she skins him, cooks him with vegetables, and sets up plates for her kids. 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:09.279 Her not her kids, his kids. 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:10.080 Or the kids. 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:10.399 Yeah. 00:09:10.639 --> 00:09:11.279 His kids. 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:14.080 His like his kids from a previous marriage. 00:09:14.399 --> 00:09:14.720 Yeah. 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:22.559 And uh she go she goes to prison and she ends up actually thriving there, which is wild. 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:26.080 So make sure you go listen to our full episode on that. 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:44.720 Now we're gonna jump to our most recent, which was the case of the Idaho 4, um, the student murders in at that happened on 1122 King Road in Moscow, Idaho. 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:47.440 What were your thoughts about this one, sir? 00:09:47.679 --> 00:09:52.480 It was all over the place because these kids kind of had a little party life going on. 00:09:52.559 --> 00:10:00.159 People were in and out and things were happening, and some unfortunate stuff went down right there. 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:00.399 Yeah. 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:12.159 So our four victims uh were Madison Mogan, who went by Maddie, and then Kaylee uh Gonzalez, Xana Kernodal, uh, Dylan, and Dylan Mortensen. 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:13.919 Yes, that's the four. 00:10:14.080 --> 00:10:19.759 And then they uh roommate uh were roommates with Bethany, it is Funk. 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:21.919 I think I did a little extra. 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:26.799 Bethany Funk because I couldn't remember, I couldn't, I didn't know if it was Funky or Funk. 00:10:27.279 --> 00:10:30.639 And um Dylan Mortensen was the roommate. 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:42.159 They all lived in a nice house off campus, and that was neighbored with other off-campus like apartment complexes. 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:54.320 They had a huge fit friend group, and I tell I tell Jesse that they are part of the Greek life, and he didn't understand that that was sorority and fraternity life, and he thought they were actually Greek. 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:58.000 He was so excited, but I'm like, no, I had to I had to let you down. 00:10:58.159 --> 00:10:59.120 I was, I was. 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:04.320 I was like, this is gonna be really cool, like with all the culture and the stuff, but like no, it's just college Greek. 00:11:04.399 --> 00:11:06.080 I didn't put it together. 00:11:06.159 --> 00:11:06.799 I don't know why. 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:22.320 And I need y'all to know that we went into this whole deep dive last night after the babies went to sleep and we had a couple more drinks, and we were Googling like when university started, when Greek life started. 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:24.480 It was like Aristotle started. 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:37.120 Yeah, then we got into Aristotle and Galileo, like our conversation went really sideways for some ra for some reason I was thinking back like Socrates type era, which is way on back, right? 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:39.039 You didn't have me Google Socrates at all. 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:40.320 No, but I was thinking that. 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:42.559 I was well, I couldn't bring it up at the moment. 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:44.480 All while we're watching Annie. 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:44.879 Yeah. 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:45.840 No, that's weird. 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:55.039 Because we're trying, I mean, I don't we're trying to not really force but influence our grandbabies to love old school musicals. 00:11:55.279 --> 00:11:56.000 Yeah, and they do. 00:11:56.159 --> 00:11:56.559 And they do. 00:11:56.720 --> 00:11:56.960 It's good. 00:11:57.039 --> 00:11:57.519 It's good stuff. 00:11:57.679 --> 00:11:58.159 They do a lot. 00:11:58.320 --> 00:11:59.519 That's the best stuff. 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:00.799 Start there at least. 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:05.360 No, you can you can do the new stuff too, but always have the good oldy goldy stuff, right? 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:10.320 Oh, yeah, because I I want them to love a hairspray and greatest showman and wicked and Chicago. 00:12:10.480 --> 00:12:11.600 Chicago's got to be way later on. 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:12.320 Later on, yeah. 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:13.519 Yeah, they're babies right now. 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:18.240 Little shop of horrors, though, could be on the roster for this Halloween there, Lindsay. 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:18.960 I think so. 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:19.759 Yeah. 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:27.440 So they're all living in this house on King Road, which is a party road. 00:12:27.600 --> 00:12:28.879 This is a party house. 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:30.879 There are people in and out all the time. 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:35.279 They all simultaneously, like I said, are in sororities and fraternities. 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:40.639 Now, Dylan, he wasn't actually a roommate, but he was Xana's boyfriend. 00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:41.840 So they called him. 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:42.879 He was there all the time. 00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:45.279 So he caught they called him the honorary roommate. 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:48.399 And he was part of a set of triplets. 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:53.200 Uh, his brother's name was Hunter, and his sister's name was Maisie. 00:12:54.639 --> 00:13:00.879 So um the night of where is it at? 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:02.159 November. 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:03.759 12th. 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:04.480 12th. 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:04.720 Yeah. 00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:05.600 Thank you. 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:09.519 Um, they were they had all been kind of partying all day. 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:14.320 They had uh events with the sorority and fraternities that they went to. 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:16.399 They had had some games to go to. 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:24.960 And um they get home, everybody's home uh around I think it was 2 a.m. 00:13:25.279 -->

00:13:30.000 Every all the roommates are home, and then Dylan is over to stay the night with Xana. 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:34.080 So I'm I'm I'm punching microphones here. 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:47.440 Oh, and so uh Kaylee had a little golden doodle named Murphy that she had shared custody with, which, like I said, listen to the full episode, but we talk about Murphy. 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:53.200 It was like a little split custody thing with her boyfriend that she had recently broke up with, but they were still kind of talking. 00:13:53.360 --> 00:13:55.519 It was, you know, it's a thing. 00:13:55.679 --> 00:13:57.200 We we've all been there. 00:13:57.519 --> 00:13:59.200 Children, it it happens. 00:13:59.360 --> 00:13:59.840 Right. 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:17.600 You break up, but you're not sure if you really want to break up and you're still talking, and and I'm sure it's even like you know, when we were going through broke ups and breakups when we were younger, we would do that same thing. 00:14:17.759 --> 00:14:23.120 And I'm sure it's even more predominant now when it's easier to communicate with each other. 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:25.200 You can just text and you can just call. 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:26.960 Like, we couldn't do that back then. 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:36.320 Like you had to call on the landline and sometimes have to deal with the person's mother or father answering the phone, and yeah. 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:45.360 But anyway, so Dylan, she is in her room sleeping around 4 a.m. 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:52.480 And she is on the same floor as Xana, who's having Ethan over to sleep over. 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:59.360 Kaylee and Maddie are on the floor above, and then Bethany is on the bottom floor, which is the basement. 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:05.200 But we uh, if you've ever seen a split level house, like the basement is is a whole different floor, it's not just a basement. 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:05.600 Right. 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:09.440 Yeah, the second level of this one you could actually walk up on the hill and go right in. 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:09.919 Right. 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:12.159 The second level was actually like the main level. 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:12.399 Right. 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:19.360 That was where the sliding glass door was, that was where people came in and out of, and they had like a deck that they would hang out on. 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:22.799 So we're now on the 13th. 00:15:23.039 --> 00:15:24.559 Everybody's home by 2 a.m. 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:27.360 Everybody's in their room doing their own thing. 00:15:27.679 --> 00:15:31.279 And uh Kaylee was in Maddie's room. 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:38.879 Like I said, Ethan had come to stay with Xanna, and Xanna got some food delivered at 4 a.m. 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:41.519 and was on TikTok. 00:15:42.799 --> 00:15:52.799 And during this time, Dylan feels or she's hearing some things, and at first she thinks it's Murphy just, you know, scurrying around. 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:56.240 And like I said, these kids have been drinking and partying all day long. 00:15:56.559 --> 00:16:03.519 Dylan's in a disoriented um state of intoxication and sleepiness. 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:10.720 She opens her door, she doesn't really see anything that's bot you know that bothers her or that's out of place. 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:11.840 She shuts her door. 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:14.080 I think she does that like a couple of times. 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:28.559 Then the third time, I believe is what it was, she sees a guy that she does not recognize, but like I said, it's a party house and people are in and out all the time. 00:16:28.960 --> 00:16:39.360 She sees a guy that she doesn't recognize, but he has bushy eyebrows, and he is dressed in black, head to toe, and he just walks out the sliding glass door, walks right past her. 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:47.679 Now she messages Bethany, who's in the bottom floor, and uh Bethany's like, Well, I didn't hear anything. 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:53.039 I don't know if anything is going on weird, but if you want to come down here and hang out with me. 00:16:53.519 --> 00:17:00.480 So since Bethany really didn't hear anything, Dylan's like, Maybe I just made it up, and maybe this guy was hanging out and just left. 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:02.320 So they go to sleep. 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:11.359 And then when Dylan wakes up later on in the day, she kind of panics and she's like, Maybe this wasn't a dream. 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:24.799 So she starts to call other friends that live on the same road to come over and see, you know, if they will check on their roommates because they're kind of scared now at this point. 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:29.680 So their friend Hunter Johnson and a couple of other friends come over. 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:40.079 Well, Hunter Johnson goes to the second level and he sees that Xanna and Ethan are both not alive. 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:46.480 And there is what is described as rivers of blood. 00:17:46.960 --> 00:17:50.240 Now they don't know that so they're freaked out already enough. 00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:54.880 They go outside, they call 911, and this was at 11:55 a.m. 00:17:56.240 --> 00:18:09.039 And when the police and the paramedics arrive, they also see that or they find that Kaylee and um Maddie are no longer here as well. 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:18.640 So they don't know anybody that could possibly do this to their friends, four of their friends. 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:20.960 They don't they don't understand what's going on. 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:30.400 Yeah, and during the investigation and and you know, checking out the crime scene, all they actually even found a sheath to a knife, um, a K-bar knife. 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:33.599 I was gonna say a knife that now scares the shit out of Chessie. 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:40.400 So yeah, I just was going into the on the podcast that we did on it. 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:45.359 I was going 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the fact that that thing is a very scary ass knife. 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:46.400 It's really crazy. 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:57.920 And we have also covered um another serial killer who also committed crimes at a college right down the road from us. 00:18:58.160 --> 00:19:02.559 And this guy uh was called the Oh my god. 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:04.000 Gainesville Ripper or Danny Roller? 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:06.079 Gainesville Ripper, Danny Rowling. 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:09.200 And we do have a two-parter on that. 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:09.759 Yeah. 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:12.160 It was uh like almost a year ago when we did that. 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:12.720 So go back. 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:15.519 If you don't, if you're new to us, go back and check out our whole catalog. 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:18.240 Screaming for Danny Rowling. 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:19.039 Yes. 00:19:19.519 --> 00:19:32.480 Well, so there was a 47-day investigation to figure out who committed these horrific crimes on these on these kids that were going places. 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:39.119 And uh, like I said, like Jesse said, uh, a knife sheath was left behind, so they had DNA on that. 00:19:39.519 --> 00:19:59.759 And then uh the FBI gets involved and they are looking over surveillance from cameras that were all around the area, and they find that this Hyundai Elantra was seen in the area several times and sped off around 420 a.m. 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:02.880 on the day of the murders. 00:20:04.160 --> 00:20:08.640 So they track all that to a guy. 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:14.160 Well, he was a man, he was almost 30 years old, um, who was a criminology major. 00:20:14.319 --> 00:20:20.799 He was getting his doctorate in this subject, um, named Brian Koberger. 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:28.319 And Brian was all the way on the East Coast where he's from when they arrested him. 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:31.599 So why did he do it? 00:20:31.759 --> 00:20:33.200 What was what was the motive? 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:52.400 And I do uh say this in the episode, there's not really a solid established motive, but he studied and admired another serial killer, uh, or uh, or a man named Elliot Roger, who was an incel. 00:20:53.440 --> 00:21:03.920 And uh this guy hated women, he was a misogynist, and he decided to take out six people, injure 14, and then took his own life. 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:15.359 And this guy ended up being a hero to Brian Koberger, and he had been a part of this incel community that's terrifying. 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:18.480 That is still going on, that's a real thing. 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:25.759 And I did so I I say in the episode that it could be okay, hold on. 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:38.640 Okay, I don't know what the live did there, but um I was like I said, I have to really be careful with my words on TikTok. 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:49.279 So this is a community where men just hate women that they can't connect with. 00:21:49.599 --> 00:21:59.119 So they just basically sit around and just talk shit about people that they don't know, people that they're jealous of, and that's dangerous. 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:00.640 Yeah. 00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:03.839 They all get together and they just sit there and say, hate a whole bunch. 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:13.920 Well that okay, so the crimes happened on or uh what did I say, November 12th, November 13th, excuse me. 00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:17.519 And Brian was arrested on December 30th. 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:33.519 So, like I said, in between there, everybody, the survivors, Hunter Johnson, um, uh, we talk about a guy who is called Soberbro who helps out um getting kids from place to place safely. 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:37.279 Um these people are all scrutinized. 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:45.759 And there was another guy, so uh Kaylee and Maddie had gone to a food truck in the area that did a live Twitch every night. 00:22:46.079 --> 00:22:54.160 And there was a guy in the back in a white hoodie who seemed suspicious because it looked like he was kind of following them. 00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:57.519 Just because he looked shady, they were scrutinizing him and going after him. 00:22:57.759 --> 00:23:00.000 Just because he was just in a picture, a video. 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:01.839 Just yeah, in a video. 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:13.119 And, you know, online sleuths and TikTokers looking for clout, you know, or any kind of influencer looking for clout was just tearing these people apart. 00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:22.400 Uh, and the police aren't talking a lot because they are in serious investigation trying to figure out who actually did this. 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:31.039 So they couldn't say certain things, but they would come, you know, come forward in the press and say, these people are are not suspected. 00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:33.359 These people we're not looking at. 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:40.640 So that maybe the the social media, you know, crazy people would leave them alone. 00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:45.599 Yeah, and this all took place like right before Thanksgiving, and they actually closed the school down. 00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:48.400 Yeah, early Thanksgiving. 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:52.960 Roger was already on his way back home across the country with his dad. 00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:55.599 So well, he did that for Christmas break. 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:58.559 So this was a whole went all the way into Christmas. 00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:17.920 But in between, okay, yeah, there was a suspicious handle called Papa Roger, uh, Elliot Roger, and with a AI-generated profile who was in a discussion group on Facebook um saying a lot of inappropriate things about this. 00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:20.559 So it was a Facebook group about this case. 00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:34.160 And because a lot of people thought that maybe, especially the two administrators, they thought that maybe this would help find who did this because, like I said, there was like a gag order and the

police weren't talking a lot. 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:36.000 So maybe they thought they could help. 00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:46.480 And they were also, these two women, they were trying to gain a following to officially or to um actually have a podcast later on. 00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:48.319 So they were trying to gain their following first. 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:53.839 We didn't do that, we just started the podcast, and we're just letting it letting it roll. 00:24:54.079 --> 00:25:02.720 And we're gaining as we go, which I kind of like because if you're a first timer, we've got a whole catalog of things for you to go back and listen to. 00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:04.559 So building as we go. 00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:06.160 Yeah, we're just building as we go. 00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:09.680 This is our hobby, and uh, we're just we're just doing our thing. 00:25:09.759 --> 00:25:14.079 But these women were trying to establish a following before they started a podcast, right? 00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:28.079 And they noticed that this one profile, Papa Roger, was constantly um having, you know, or it posting inappropriate things and or inappropriate comments. 00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:38.160 So they ban him, which erases the digital footsteps um that they could have possibly turned in, but you don't know. 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:43.759 Like hindsight is 2020, you don't know what you're doing until later on. 00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:47.039 You know, you you don't know trying to eliminate the problem evidence. 00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:47.599 Right. 00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:52.960 You're just trying to eliminate this creep bag that everybody's complaining about. 00:25:53.119 --> 00:26:04.720 And by the way, I didn't say this in earlier, but he was fired from his teaching assistant job at uh the University of what did I say, Washington State? 00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:06.400 Oh my god, I gotta go back and look. 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:09.599 Which is the the next closest university from where they were. 00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:15.039 Yeah, it was like so it's a whole different state, but it's only an eight-minute drive from Moscow, Idaho. 00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:28.400 So he had already been fired from his TA position because he was misogynist towards women, and he had been given several warnings to correct this behavior, and he didn't. 00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:31.359 So there's another kind of you know motive. 00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:39.119 He just took it out on people that he thought in his horrible brain possibly deserved it. 00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:41.680 Or I I don't even know how somebody like that thinks. 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:42.960 I really don't know. 00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:48.559 Uh, but he did end up pleading guilty in 2025. 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:59.680 This happened in 2022, so he ended up pleading guilty in 2025, and he was ordered or he was sentenced to 10 years for burglary that also happened. 00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:10.720 Go and listen to the full episode so you can see what that was about, and then four consecutive life sentences, and uh was ordered to pay restitution in the amount of$270,000. 00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:19.599 And the audiobook that I listened to is the Idaho 4 and American Tragedy. 00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:27.039 And the documentary series that I watched is called One Night in Idaho, The College Murders on Amazon, and that's on Amazon Prime. 00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:50.319 And give both of those, get read the book or listen to the audiobook, watch the documentary, because it just gives you so much insight as to what four families when a tragedy like this happens and friends that were surrounding them, what they go through, and it's it's terrible. 00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:52.000 Do you think, Lindsay? 00:27:52.079 --> 00:28:00.640 Do you think if somebody has to serve four life sentences would ever pay a dollar toward a restitution? 00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:08.880 No, unless they're doing some kind of work where they're getting paid by you know the state, I guess. 00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:10.640 I don't know how that works at all. 00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:14.319 Said because it's not gonna matter. 00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:19.039 I mean, who would I mean you're gonna die in prison, you know? 00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:22.000 You're gonna you're gonna spend your whole life in prison. 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:25.200 So why would you you know who would actually do it? 00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:25.759 I don't know. 00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:28.880 I just that's just a a thing, I guess they just say that, you know. 00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:32.640 Or the parents have to pay that in the witch's garbage, you know. 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:39.200 Like every parent in this situation made I made, I mean, my heart just broke. 00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:48.160 I was very emotional research in this case, but for some reason, like Maddie's mom made me cry the hardest because that was her only child. 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:48.720 Yeah. 00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:50.240 Her only child. 00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:52.160 And it's just hard. 00:28:52.240 --> 00:29:15.039 Like your heart just goes out, especially, especially when this is just being blown out of proportion online, and people that had nothing to do with it are being scrutinized because somebody from the outside looking in was like, oh, you didn't do this right, you didn't react right, you didn't say the right things when you made the phone. 00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:20.079 We don't know how we're gonna act in a situation like that. 00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:27.599 I could never, I don't ever want to imagine walking in and seeing my friends in that state. 00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:30.880 I'm trying to be careful with my words here so I don't get another restriction. 00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:31.519 Yeah. 00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:34.400 Um it's you don't know what you're gonna do. 00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:40.319 I have frozen in my own, like just frozen, like in minor situations in fear. 00:29:40.559 -->

00:29:41.839 That's a major situation. 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:42.720 Yeah, I don't know. 00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:46.319 Well, you try to have a mindset of like if this ever happens, this is what I'm gonna do. 00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:49.519 But when it actually happens, it's all changed. 00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:52.720 You know, it all comes to a head. 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:56.160 You're in the situation, what do I do right now? 00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:59.279 Because I'm going through what I'm physically seeing and going through. 00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:00.720 So that's change things now. 00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:04.000 You can't control what your body and mind are gonna do. 00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:11.039 Like it's it's crazy because you honestly, at those points, when you are dealing with something like that, you you honestly don't have control. 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:11.920 Right, I agree. 00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:13.519 You don't have control, yeah. 00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:23.440 And researching and listening to a lot of true crime over the years has actually taught me that. 00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:28.960 I can I I can actually say that I used to be like, oh my god, I would do this different, I would do that different. 00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:39.519 But now I know I I have no answers, I have no valid opinion on that because you just don't know what you're gonna do until you're in that situation at all. 00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:45.359 And these are kids, and people just ruin their lives for no reason. 00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:51.759 And this guy ruined four families and several other friends' lives for literally no reason. 00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:54.400 Yep, and it's it's really, really terrible. 00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:56.319 So definitely go back and check it out. 00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:00.480 You can hear all the the in and outs and the deeper dive into that whole story. 00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:05.599 Both of them, um, they were both completely wild. 00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:08.799 You you just always keep throwing all this stuff at me, Lindsay. 00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:12.559 Well, cat Kath, I mean, both of these are absolutely shocking, shocking. 00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:14.559 Yeah, um, Catherine Knight, I don't know. 00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:18.400 That one that one really shook me for a minute. 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:19.119 Yeah. 00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:20.480 And I I really do. 00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:24.799 I like we'll go through the motions and then like a month later, I'm like, I'm moving on, dude. 00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:26.079 I'm not gonna hang on to this. 00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:28.160 But some of them, some of them I do. 00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:34.480 Which is why we're we're releasing this week the uh West Memphis 3 stuff. 00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:36.640 Yeah, we're gonna be so we're taking a little break. 00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:48.640 We're gonna be re-releasing our three-parter on the West Memphis 3, and then we will have a whole new episode on somebody that

we will be watching perform while at Rockville. 00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:50.720 And I'm very excited to share that story. 00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:52.960 Yeah, we'll be on turn four. 00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:54.319 Yeah, The Orange Lod. 00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:55.759 Welcome to Rockville. 00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:58.559 Yes, yeah, with our camp and family. 00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:06.000 Where number three had his famous tragedy accident. 00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:13.359 Do you know that I've never like my dad would watch races sometimes, but I I was that's not my bag. 00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:15.279 Like, it's still not to this day. 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:27.680 And I just happened to be at my cousin's house in a little town over called Live Oak, and I was at their house having dinner, uh, and that was the day that that happened. 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:39.440 My uh my cousin's husband had it on the TV, and we were outside talking, gabbing it up, catching up, and he comes out and was like, fuck. 00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:40.319 Yeah. 00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:45.039 Well, I mean, there people that don't watch football still watch the Super Bowl. 00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:48.880 People that don't watch NASCAR still watch the Daytona 500. 00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:50.000 That's just what they do. 00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:52.400 So yeah, we'll be there. 00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:54.079 And we have a cool story. 00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:56.640 I know a little bit about it, but Lindsay knows way more. 00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:58.960 I have really gone in deep with this one, y'all. 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:08.160 I've already listened to one audio audiobook, and I the other one that this person wrote was not on audiobook, and I really needed to read that one. 00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:08.960 So I bought it. 00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:09.519 Yeah. 00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:13.440 And I'm already a few chapters in, and I'm gonna read some more before we go. 00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:14.319 It's gonna be wild. 00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:15.119 It's gonna be wild. 00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:16.880 Drinkaboutsomething.sight. 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:21.200 If you uh want to find all of our material, it's that easy. 00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:23.839 Yes, drinkaboutsomething.sight on Instagram. 00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:28.160 We are drinkabout something on TikTok here. 00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:29.200 Hey, TikTok. 00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:32.720 Uh, we are drinkabout something pod underscore Lindsay. 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:34.559 And where are we at on the YouTubes? 00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:41.279 Gen Z, J-E-N-D-S-E-Y, is one of the channels, and it'll bring you to everything we got going on. 00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:42.480 So that's easy to find. 00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:56.160 We're also, and like I say, you can find all of our platforms through the main website and yeah, Spotify, Apple, uh so our email, our email address is drinkaboutsomething pod at gmail.com. 00:33:56.720 --> 00:33:57.279 Yeah. 00:33:57.599 --> 00:33:58.079 Easy. 00:33:58.240 --> 00:33:58.559 Yes. 00:33:58.799 --> 00:33:59.839 I think that's easy, right? 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:02.240 Yeah, that's a long thing, but it's easy, right? 00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:03.440 We're not rebranding. 00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:03.839 No. 00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:05.200 I think we got it going on here. 00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:05.599 Yes. 00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:09.360 So thank you guys so much for tuning in and checking us out. 00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:10.639 And uh yeah. 00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:13.280 Stay tuned for next week or for Friday. 00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:17.519 Or for so listen, listen to our re-release on the West Memphis 3. 00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:17.760 Yeah. 00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:19.840 Tune in next Friday for a brand new case. 00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:22.400 And then Wednesdays is when we publish our recaps. 00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:24.320 Yeah, we got a ton of stuff coming to you. 00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:24.719 Oh, yeah. 00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:25.280 It's really fun. 00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:28.000 I got I got a list for days. 00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:41.039 And if you're new to us, we cover true crime, we have some drinky drinks, and at the end of the episode, Jesse plugs a band that we do have permission to put on our episode. 00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:41.599 Yeah. 00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:42.800 Yeah, it's what we do. 00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:44.159 It's what we do. 00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:44.639 Yeah. 00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:46.559 And we love you so much. 00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:48.559 We're gonna sign off of YouTube now. 00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:48.880 Yeah. 00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:50.719 Probably gonna hang out on TikTok for a minute. 00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:53.679 We love you so much, and bye. 00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:54.880 Bye.