התמלול המלא של Do the 49ers have a Super Bowl caliber defense?

to the 49ers, where in their own division, I still look at the Seahawks and that defense, and I think they're still pretty damn good. 00:05:13 Speaker 3: The offense, I don't know right now. It's all JSN. That's it. 00:05:17 Speaker 2: And then with the Rams losing Puka Nakua for the next four weeks, their offense is predicated on running the football and their tight end play. 00:05:23 Speaker 3: But they need Puka Nakua. 00:05:25 Speaker 2: So I don't know how it's going to look with Matthew Stafford not looking like the same guy we saw a year ago. That being said, better on defense yesterday. They were playing the Commanders. But Miles Garrett, first game back, three sacks. It may be where the defense improves and now the offense struggles. 00:05:38 Speaker 4: Well, it's incredible. 00:05:39 Speaker 5: I mean, the NFC North is 20-3 against teams not head-to-head in the NFC North. And the Lions are two of those losses. They lost to Buffalo. They lost to Carolina. The other one was Green Bay when they got the doors blown off by Bijan and company on that Thursday night game at Lambeau where the Falcons went in there and annihilated them. 00:06:01 Speaker 4: And so 20-3. 00:06:04 Speaker 5: It's impressive. And obviously the head-to-head matchups are going to be interesting. I think the Bears in that division already have losses at this point to Minnesota and the, and to green Bay, right. Because they played both of those games without in some form, Caleb Williams, Caleb Williams got hurt in the game against Minnesota. And then he was out for the game against green Bay, even though the bears had won a couple of games without him to kind of stay afloat. And so they're in a weird position in that they're Oh, and two in the division, they play the lions on Thanksgiving in Detroit. Detroit is 2-0 in the division. They are obviously the only team that beat the Vikings. They also beat Green Bay in that weird game a couple of weeks ago that we talked about. The Lions have a pretty easy schedule and have the upper hand. They have the third game of the division for them is against the Bears, like I was saying on Thanksgiving. 00:07:04 Speaker 4: But the three of their last four. 00:07:07 Speaker 5: are divisional road games to close out. So the lions though, I think are building ahead of steam. They're a team right now that I actually fear more than green Bay or Minnesota. And I, and again, some of it is a little smoke and mirrors because of the opponents that they've played. 00:07:27 Speaker 4: They've been really lucky in a couple of games. 00:07:29 Speaker 5: They could have lost to they actually could have lost to the jets early on when they really weren't playing well, they, they could have blown a big lead and did blow a big lead, went to overtime against the saints. Saints missed a two point conversion. They escaped week one. So, but so they have, they have really, they've held it together when it could have gone awry. 00:07:49 Speaker 8: Yeah. 00:07:49 Speaker 5: Their defense is improving their offense. Maybe isn't quite what it had been, but get, but Gibbs can still get going. And I, I think they're well, well schemed offense. 00:08:00 Speaker 7: Yeah. 00:08:00 Speaker 5: You know, weekend and week out, but it's going to be interesting to see, like, do they have the inside track because they've been able to kind of win these weird ones at different points now and they're gaining confidence and they're getting better and they're adding like, I feel like they could by the end of it all become formidable. I also think by the end of it all, they got to play road games in their division three of the last four. And maybe they're one of the teams that falls out at the end. If they were to say, lose all three of those games on the road, which they could lose all three of those. Cause so to me, do they have enough confidence going into those games to where they win one or two of them and they knock somebody else out? Right. Or do they maybe lose all three of them and they wind up being, being the one team that ends up the odd team out. with the Rams or Seattle, somebody else may be jumping in the Friday. 00:08:47 Speaker 2: And I think all four of these teams, the NFC North could be very aggressive at the trade deadline tomorrow, big time where I think. 00:08:52 Speaker 3: Minnesota needs all have needs. 00:08:54 Speaker 2: I think Minnesota sees their offense and they're like, are we a quarterback away? 00:08:58 Speaker 3: Are we a running back away? And I know that adding a quarterback is kind of crazy. 00:09:01 Speaker 2: Like it's only happened a handful of times, you know, Carson Palmer again, traded the Raiders for two first, like you have to go above and beyond. And like, what does that say to Kyler Murray where he's on expiring contract himself, but Is it that bad where you need to make a change there? 00:09:13 Speaker 3: We shall see. 00:09:14 Speaker 2: With Green Bay, they're kind of hamstrung when they gave up so much draft capital to get Micah Parsons. But would they make, like, you know, a lower-level move to help their defense or their offense at this point? And then Detroit, it's all about defense. It's all about maybe getting another pass rusher. Like, we could talk about maybe Khalil Mack going to Detroit or, you know, Tyreek Woolen maybe going to Detroit as well. So I think all those teams, I think the Bears is going to be the most aggressive. Them and Jacksonville seem like the teams that want to go all in for this season. So are the Niners going to feel pressure to make a deal tomorrow because their competition's doing that? 00:09:44 Speaker 3: I don't think so. 00:09:46 Speaker 2: I think it's just what's the best deal on the table for the Niners. If they have a reasonable deal to get a wide receiver, they'll make that deal. If they have a reasonable deal on the table to get a pass rusher, they'll do that. But I never think the Niners feel pressure because their

competition is doing something else. With the Rams, maybe they do make a move for a wide receiver tomorrow. Maybe it's the same people that the Niners are interested in, but there's more pressing need for the Rams because they don't have Pukunukuwa or Devontae Adams for the foreseeable future. Same thing with the Seahawks, where they pay a lot of money for Rasheed Shaheed, but he's hurt. Cooper Cupps probably getting cut by the end of the year here because he's not just the same player anymore. They may make a move for a wide receiver, and we were talking about maybe Jonathan Taylor going to Seattle, or we're talking about these other running backs. If teams miss out on Jonathan Taylor, could Brees Hall get moved? I don't think that Saquon Barkley or Derrick Henry are going to move either, but you never know where they're getting older and they're on teams that aren't going to win right now. So I think this will be very interesting, but I don't think the Niners are going to feel pressure just to make a move because other teams are making moves. 00:10:43 Speaker 5: I don't think they, I think you nailed it. They don't ever feel pressure to make a move just because other teams are making moves and it's, it's not any way to live. 00:10:53 Speaker 8: So to speak. 00:10:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 00:10:55 Speaker 4: In the NFL or in general, you can't be worried about it. 00:10:57 Speaker 3: No, come on. 00:10:58 Speaker 6: Live your life. 00:10:59 Speaker 3: Be focused on you. 00:11:00 Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to worry about yourself, man. 00:11:02 Speaker 5: So I think, you know, the Niners, though, that being said, I think they're going to make two moves. I think they're making two moves tomorrow. 00:11:08 Speaker 3: For a wide receiver and a defensive player? 00:11:09 Speaker 5: I think they're getting a defensive lineman and they're, you know, preferably an edge. 00:11:14 Speaker 4: I think they're getting it. I think they're getting an edge and they're getting a receiver tomorrow. Okay. I think they're getting both. 00:11:19 Speaker 2: And do you think they're on the caliber like of say like Keon White a year ago where it was like a nice move and I'm like, Oh my God, that's a splashy blockbuster move. 00:11:25 Speaker 4: I would say more than Keon White. 00:11:29 Speaker 7: Okay. 00:11:30 Speaker 5: Less than less than well i'm the headline will be more than keon white keon white's actually been pretty productive yes but i know last less so maybe the last couple of games yeah but he's been impacted like it will it will be it will garner a greater headline than when they went and got keon white yeah i would say that makes sense yes because last year it'll be a name where it'll be like oh like it's not gonna be you know max crosby no but it'll be a name that Makes you go. 00:11:56 Speaker 4: Oh, I like that. Like, I like that move. Like, most fans. People like it. 00:12:01 Speaker 3: People know that player that they're acquiring. 00:12:03 Speaker 2: Where last year, Keon White, like, if you, you know, if you were watching football, you know him doing the Patriots, but, like, not a household name. 00:12:09 Speaker 3: But I remember last year, Kyle and John. 00:12:11 Speaker 4: Chase Young was kind of that way going back. And he didn't provide. 00:12:15 Speaker 8: No. 00:12:15 Speaker 4: But Chase Young was a name, you know. 00:12:17 Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. 00:12:18 Speaker 4: That was a big deal when they got him, even though he had been underwhelming. 00:12:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, but, like. 00:12:22 Speaker 4: And was underwhelming. 00:12:23 Speaker 3: He was, but. 00:12:24 Speaker 2: That made sense at the time. It was where the pass rush needed more help. Like last year, me and Copes were talking about the day of the trade deadline. They were 6-3, I want to say, at the time. And people were like, go get Trey Hendrickson. Go get Jermaine Johnson from the New York Jets because Robert Sala knows him. And I was saying the whole time, I don't think Kyle and John think this team is Super Bowl caliber. 00:12:46 Speaker 3: They think they're nice. 00:12:48 Speaker 2: That's why they wanted a player that's under contract for the next two years because it wasn't where, let's get a guy on expiring contracts who just leaves in free agency. 00:12:55 Speaker 3: We're not that good. 00:12:57 Speaker 2: We're good, but we have so many injuries on defense. We're not the type of team that's going to be willing to pay a first-round pick or a second-round pick for Trey Hendrickson or whoever's available. So I thought Kyle and John were realistic about the team. This time around, they're aggressive. You saw them make a move for DeForest Buckner. It's a different type of deal, different type of player right now. But I would not be the least bit surprised if it's anywhere from you know, a nice, speedy kick returner required tomorrow, or it's a big-time playmaker. I would be very surprised if it's Garrett Wilson or anybody of that caliber or Max Crosby, but maybe nice, solid veterans that are on expiring deals that are not going to give a contract too long-term. 00:13:32 Speaker 5: I don't think it's going to be of the superstar ilk. I think it might be a player that at some point in their career has been a superstar. I'll say that, thus the name value. But yeah, I don't think it's necessarily going to be, you know, the best wide receiver available or the best pass rusher available. 00:13:49 Speaker 2: Dirty work on a Monday reacting to the 49ers 38 to 17 win over the Las Vegas Raiders. We'll be joined by Matt Miyoko in about 20 minutes. Let's talk about something that was brought up in the postgame yesterday. Do you feel like this 49ers defense right now, Super Bowl caliber? DeForest Buckner answered this along with Fred Warner and Kyle Shanahan. We'll listen to that audio. It's John Dickinson, Derek Papa on the sports leader. 00:14:13 Speaker 1: Now, back to Dirty Work. Adam Copeland and Derek Papa on KNBR

104.5 and 680 AM. The Sports Leader. 00:14:25 Speaker 3: Dirty Work on a Monday. 00:14:27 Speaker 2: John Dickinson, Derek Papa reacted to the 49ers 38-17 victory over the Las Vegas Raiders. 00:14:32 Speaker 3: And tomorrow at 1 o'clock, we have... The. 00:14:35 Speaker 2: NFL trade deadline, I'm looking up at the TV right now on ESPN. Dan Graziano saying the 49ers are looking for wide receiver help. So that's been kind of the topic for a while now. They're also looking for defensive line help, but maybe the priority is more wide receiver. And when you look at this defense right now, five takeaways yesterday. They were great against Seattle, even though they gave up quite a bit of points. I think it was 29, 32-29 was the final. But their defense has shown up at crucial moments. to end games, whether it was against the Seattle Seahawks making that tackle on Cooper Cup or, you know, the game against the Commanders where the offense was stalling in the second half, Malcolm Mustafa getting that PBU or the sack in the closing seconds, and even yesterday. Like the Raiders offense, not bad. And Brock Bowers on his way to the end zone. Michael Mayer on his way to the end zone. And those guys stripping the ball out by Fred Warner or Upton Stout. So, J.D., how do you view this defense right now? Where we're going to play some audio in a little bit here. But, like, I say it's too quick to call them Super Bowl caliber. But definitely better than what we saw a year ago, given all the injuries. 00:15:37 Speaker 4: Better than a year ago. 00:15:40 Speaker 5: I don't think they're quite at the level of say, you know, certainly 19. I mean, 19 was absolutely Superbowl caliber and everybody knew it. And that team was, I mean, the offense in some ways was coming along for the ride with that team compared to, to some of these teams, but I don't even necessarily think it's at the 21 or even 20, maybe 22 level at this point in terms of the overall overall The overall play. But I think it's really good. I think it's the best defense they've probably had in the last three years overall. Three to four years. And we can parse exactly where you want to have the cutoff. So I think they're a player away and losing Halton is going to hurt. But I think they're one acquisition away. The right acquisition at the right spot from being a bona fide. Superbowl caliber defense. I think they can perform that way on an individual week, but I just, they got to keep Bosa healthy. And I think if they can just get one more, one more pass rusher, I think that turbo charges it. And then you can say, all right, even without Halton going and getting Buckner, get that one more edge guy that we've talked a ton about here in the, in the first two and a half to three hours of the show. And then, and then you're good to go. So they are close, but I feel like they're not quite, they're just a little short. 00:16:59 Speaker 7: Yeah. 00:16:59 Speaker 2: I don't think, They're on the same caliber, obviously, of 2019. That defensive line was unbelievable. And you knew when they went to L.A. and they held like Jared Goff over 100 yards passing and they just got to him over and over again. 00:17:12 Speaker 3: They were a Super Bowl caliber defense. 00:17:14 Speaker 2: Even like the later years, 2021, still solid is where the offense was trying to figure things out with the injuries at running back. It was really the Jimmy Garoppolo years where the defense was elite and the offense was good, obviously, but not explosive as far as wide receivers. 00:17:27 Speaker 3: Now it's changed. 00:17:27 Speaker 2: With Brock Purdy in 2023, they were more of an offensive team, and the defense still made plays. I would even say that 2023 team defensively was better than what we're seeing right now from the 49ers. 00:17:37 Speaker 3: You agree or no? 00:17:38 Speaker 5: I think I like this team more than that 23 team. 00:17:42 Speaker 4: The 23 team, if you remember, that was Steve Wilks. 00:17:45 Speaker 1: Yes. 00:17:46 Speaker 2: Still solid, but not the scheme that Kyle liked. 00:17:50 Speaker 5: Still solid, but not the scheme that the core players liked either, I feel like. So I think this defense is ahead of the team that went to the Super Bowl in 2023. 00:18:03 Speaker 4: I think they had more. 00:18:03 Speaker 3: Pass rush back then. 00:18:07 Speaker 5: Where well they had i mean that was wasn't that the defensive player of the year for bosa no it was the year before 2022 that was 22 okay what was it 18 sacks um okay but you're right but the next year they still had armstead i believe yeah armstead was still on the team they had uh uh javon hargrave obviously yeah i i think i like i think i'll take this defense over that one i i have more depth on the interior on this team although that's going to be tested i like them having buckner back again maybe you don't have the same bosa which is important it's it's I like their secondary, I feel like, better on this team. 00:18:40 Speaker 4: Could they maybe a safety short? 00:18:43 Speaker 5: I think they'd tell you no because they like the three safeties that they have. So I think this defense is a little bit better than the 23 team. But that 23 team didn't quite get over the hump. And if you remember, that 23 team was in big trouble against not only Green Bay but Detroit. And then they made the plays they needed to in the second half. But Detroit was taking it to them in the first half. 00:19:07 Speaker 3: Oh, I remember. 00:19:08 Speaker 2: And, of course, Trey Greenlaw picking off Jordan Love twice in that game. Let's hear from DeForest Buckner. He hasn't been on this team since 2019, where obviously he was an impactful player. But what does he think about this defense right now? Are they Super Bowl caliber? 00:19:19 Speaker 9: No, yeah, definitely Super Bowl level. I mean, obviously there's things we can clean up. And like we were talking about in there, you know what I'm saying? I mean, it wasn't the

best performance. all around but we have things we can clean up and get better and things we can you know continue to capitalize on that we do well and um you know the main thing is just you know finishing the ball game no matter who it is and we were able to. 00:19:39 Speaker 2: Come out with the win so i think the way this drive this 49er defense right now is they're opportunistic they're better in the secondary they're picking off passes Renato Green's been great. Obviously, Diamandou Lenore has been solid. Upton Stout we saw a year ago, probably the best rookie for the 49ers. Their secondary has improved under Raheem Morris. Do they shut teams out? 00:19:59 Speaker 3: No. 00:19:59 Speaker 2: They're not like this fierce pass rush that we saw back in 2019. 00:20:04 Speaker 3: But they get interceptions. They cause turnovers. 00:20:06 Speaker 2: I guess opportunistic is a nice way of saying they take the ball away, but they give up points, they give up yardage. So that's how I describe this 49er defense right now. 00:20:15 Speaker 4: I think it's a fair description. 00:20:16 Speaker 5: I just, they just, I would also add to that, and I'm repeating myself a little bit here, but they just feel like they're a player away. 00:20:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear you. 00:20:26 Speaker 4: It's just a player away. 00:20:27 Speaker 5: And now you take Halton away, and I mean, I agree with Ted Wynn wholeheartedly, which is, I thought that Grayson Halton was turning himself into a potential star. on the interior of the defensive line. But you're getting a guy who's been a star, obviously, at an advanced age in DeForest Buckner coming back to offset some of that. So I think, I mean, Warner has been. 00:20:50 Speaker 3: Yes. 00:20:51 Speaker 5: Greenlaw's return has been tremendous. I never would have accounted for Dre Greenlaw. I mean, if you told me you were going to get this Dre Greenlaw, I would have said, yeah, sign him. I was like, yeah, how much is Dre Greenlaw actually going to be able to provide? I doubted that. I thought the same thing. I doubted that one. So I'll admit I was wrong on that one. But he's flying around and making plays. And Duggar has been really good as the third guy and developing and what you want. So I think they like their secondary. I think Bernardo Green's emergence. 00:21:24 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 00:21:24 Speaker 5: And picking off passes in big moments. I mean, if you're picking off a pass in the end zone like he did yesterday, that's huge. He's got picks against Seattle and the Rams. I mean, he's been really good and come on. I think Lenore's been solid. I think Stout is a stud in the nickel. 00:21:43 Speaker 4: He's just tough as nails. 00:21:44 Speaker 7: Yeah. 00:21:47 Speaker 5: I like what they have in the secondary. I like some of the defensive line depth. I wish they didn't lose Halton, but I don't know. I like the defense, but they're just one. 00:21:58 Speaker 3: I would agree. I think that a Khalil Mack. How you whispering, JD? 00:22:02 Speaker 2: I think Khalil Mack would help the defense out. I want more of a guy that's been impactful for years. Like, I like Will McDonald, pretty good defensive end for the New York Jets, younger player. But I think Khalil Mack, and again, I know I'm saying his name over and over and over again. 00:22:16 Speaker 4: For the last few weeks. But you know what? 00:22:18 Speaker 3: He's that guy. 00:22:19 Speaker 2: He is that guy that can get a crucial force fumble. I still think, like, at times, he could be that guy that I saw in Oakland 10 years ago that was picking off Cam Newton on his way to the end zone. 00:22:29 Speaker 3: Again, a forced fumble against the Buffalo Bills. 00:22:32 Speaker 2: He's still that guy from time to time where he can forklift an offensive lineman with one bicep and get to the quarterback. I think that he just, he has the strength that I haven't seen from a defensive lineman since like the likes of obviously Aaron Donald and J.J. 00:22:44 Speaker 5: Watt. 00:22:44 Speaker 3: He's that caliber of player that doesn't just go away. 00:22:47 Speaker 2: I know he's on a bad football team and they're saying hang on to him, but I highly doubt by the time we get to tomorrow with someone who will make it worth their while. 00:22:54 Speaker 3: So if the Niners are going to make a move for. 00:22:55 Speaker 2: A defensive end, I say get Khalil Mack. And if you want to prioritize wide receiver, that's fine. But that's where you could go from maybe being a good defense to a great defense, a Super Bowl caliber defense. And just real quick, Danny, if we could play the sound of Kyle Shanahan being asked the same question yesterday. 00:23:09 Speaker 3: Are they Super Bowl caliber when it comes to the defense? I mean, have opportunities for that stuff. We got a lot more work to do before we can say that. So everyone yesterday was asked this question. He disagrees. 00:23:21 Speaker 8: Yes. 00:23:22 Speaker 4: He disagrees with DeForest. 00:23:24 Speaker 2: Well, I think DeForest was nice in saying we're not there yet, but also, like, saying there's potential to be. Fred Warner kind of said the same thing. But, like, Kyle, it was telling to me where Kyle, we asked him, like, was Seattle the best defense he went up against as a play caller? And he was like, it's up there. And I knew after week one, they were a Super Bowl caliber defense. I knew right away, like, this team's going to give us fits, and we can see them later on, and they're playing for something. I don't think you see that just yet with this defense for the 49ers, and that's why I say This is a Super Bowl caliber offense, not a Super Bowl caliber defense just yet. If you add somebody, that changes things big time. 00:24:00 Speaker 4: No, it would, and that's where I'm at. 00:24:03 Speaker 5: I thought Buckner did say, though, he said it's Super. 00:24:07 Speaker 4: Bowl level or caliber or whatever. 00:24:09 Speaker 5: However, he said Super Bowl

level, I think, was what he used when asked, like, do you think this is a Super Bowl level defense? 00:24:17 Speaker 4: And then he, you know, play it, Danny, if you got it. Like, Super Bowl level defense to Forrest? 00:24:22 Speaker 9: Definitely super bowl level i mean obviously. 00:24:24 Speaker 5: I mean i i i mean he and it but you just got here he did and he's gotta be nice he's gotta be nice he did he doesn't have to be nice everybody knows him and loves him he's got like he he could he's he's i think in that locker room he is the family member that could air out all your faults and all your flaws but can you do all your inadequacies can. 00:24:42 Speaker 2: You do that when you've been away for so long and then come back and start airing everybody else out When you've been around, you haven't been around since 2019? 00:24:49 Speaker 4: If they love you enough, you can. 00:24:51 Speaker 3: Can you beat. 00:24:51 Speaker 2: Chevy Chase coming back to the SNL cast and airing everybody out? 00:24:55 Speaker 3: Different deal, I know. 00:24:56 Speaker 4: No, no, Ma. That's a whole different story. 00:25:00 Speaker 3: Let's go out to one of our favorite callers. Come on now. Edgar in New Jersey. 00:25:04 Speaker 2: What's going on, Edgar? I know you're excited about this beatdown that the Niners gave to the Raiders. 00:25:08 Speaker 6: Oh, man, you already know, man. Another beatdown, another week. Come on now. Best team in football just doing the best they can. Oh, man. Brock Purdy, man. Brock Purdy. My guy. Two touchdowns and he had one in the corner. Man, he did his thing. That's what he do. 00:25:26 Speaker 3: Hey, you know what? 00:25:27 Speaker 6: How about the O-line? Nobody. That O-line has been the best O-line. I don't know if it's the best in football, but it's got to be. Week by week, they keep them pretty clean. That O-line is serious. We keep that O-line together, this Super Bowl team is for real. That's the real deal. That's the main thing. No injuries. I mean, the one thing consistent every week, that O-line is keeping Purdy. Man, looking like the MVP he's about to be. Fred Warner, man, best linebacker in football. He did it again. Man, it's just the players that you have week by week. And it's somebody else. But the consistency, Purdy, man, man, man. Pop, you already know, man, next week the Cowboys, we'll talk about that later. But, man, enjoying this one. 00:26:16 Speaker 8: Oh, you should. 00:26:17 Speaker 4: You should. 00:26:18 Speaker 2: And you should not feed the Cowboys with that defense right now. Okay, Edgar, one trade you want to see tomorrow. Tell me what you want to see by 1 o'clock tomorrow morning or afternoon. 00:26:26 Speaker 6: Man, I want the trade you want, man. Let's get Khalil Mack. Let's get Khalil Mack. Get that onto the defense. 00:26:32 Speaker 8: There you go, Edgar. We all agree. 00:26:34 Speaker 6: That's it, man. Let's just go get this Super Bowl. It's going to load up on defense. As long as that whole line stays straight, Brock Purdy keeps playing the way he's playing, man. This is going to happen. 00:26:44 Speaker 3: I hear you, Edgar. Come on now. We'll talk to you later in the week. 00:26:46 Speaker 6: Come on now. Best team in football. 00:26:48 Speaker 3: There you go. Come on now. 00:26:50 Speaker 2: All right, let's catch up with Matt Maioco from NBC Sports Bay Area. What could the Niners do tomorrow and how they get by right now with Grayson Halton and their injuries? 00:27:00 Speaker 3: Did Jordan Walken step up? Come on now. 00:27:02 Speaker 2: It's JD, it's D-Pop, it's Danny Dunn and Edgar in New Jersey on the Sports Leader. 00:27:09 Speaker 1: Now back to dirty work. Adam Copeland and Derek Papa in the KNBR Casino Matrix Progressive Jackpot Studios. Casino Matrix Progressive Jackpots are here. Where are you? Just drop in. Please play responsibly. Call 1-800-GAMBLER. 00:27:29 Speaker 2: We do it every Monday with Matt Maioco, 49ers insider for NBC Sports Bay Area. 00:27:35 Speaker 3: What's going on, Matt? 00:27:38 Speaker 8: Nothing too much. 00:27:39 Speaker 7: It looks like, uh, we have two more weeks of, uh, Brandon, I, you questions. So if you want to just start off and get that out of the way, let's pick that buck. 00:27:47 Speaker 4: Well, do we have two more weeks of Brandon? I, you questions, or is it just, or. 00:27:53 Speaker 5: Is it just going to be nothing to report and then see you later? 00:27:57 Speaker 4: Don't let the door hit you on November 23rd, Maddie. 00:28:01 Speaker 7: Well, I mean, that'll be something that'll be a resolution anyway, from, uh, From the 49ers stuff. And, you know, Derek, I know that we've had a lot of talks about this. 00:28:10 Speaker 3: It's my favorite topic, Matt. 00:28:12 Speaker 8: Year plus. I know it is. 00:28:14 Speaker 7: And I think I want to put words in your mouth, but you thought that there was maybe kind of a pettiness element to the 49ers keeping him around. And I can't say that there were times where I didn't agree with you. 00:28:28 Speaker 8: Is that accurate? 00:28:30 Speaker 7: Yeah. 00:28:30 Speaker 2: I would say yes. Pettiness, but they definitely want to revenge, and I understand that. But yes, they held on to him for a long time. 00:28:39 Speaker 7: Yes, and so I think what has come to light here over the past week is that, and John Lynch said this on the morning show last week where he talked about his charge as the general manager is to look out for the best interests of the 49ers. 00:28:56 Speaker 8: And I. 00:28:58 Speaker 7: Can't tell you I know everything that's going on and what's happened behind the scenes and what took place in the meeting on Friday, but it certainly indicates to me what's happened here is the signing bonus money that the 49ers had a right to and not having that repaid back to them in a timely fashion. That, in large part, is the reason why it made sense for the 49ers to not cut him. It seems to me that the leverage element of it

was a very important part of this. And the thing that's going back to what Lynn said about doing what's in the best interest of the 49ers, they get that money back, that $ 13 million, and they're That's money that is mopped off the salary cap. It's money that they get credit for. And also, I mean, it has real consequences as far as being able to then go out and spend that money. So I think there were real good football reasons for the 49ers to go down the path that they went. 00:30:16 Speaker 5: So, Matt, where does that sort of leave the next two weeks then? Obviously, he's not going to be on the roster or around the team or anything like that, but to what extent do you think there are any questions, I guess, remaining or scenarios left to play out, barring a trade on Tuesday or something like that? 00:30:37 Speaker 8: Yeah, and the trade. 00:30:39 Speaker 7: Part of it, seems unrealistic to me because any team that trades for him would be picking up the remainder of his contract. Um, you know, Drew Rosenhouse did say, you know, I can't tell. 00:30:51 Speaker 8: You where he's going to be playing next. 00:30:54 Speaker 7: I'll leave that between us and the 49ers or he said, made some, um, reference to that. I would suspect that if, if nothing happens, before 1 p.m. tomorrow, that then nothing will happen until Monday, November 23rd. And the only logical outcome at that point, when the two-week roster exemption, unpaid roster exemption, I might add, whenever that expires, then I would think that the only outcome would be the 49ers giving him his outright release. And then that makes him free to to do whatever he wants with any team that wants to do it with him. And what that looks like, whether he would be taking visits or ending up on a practice squad, I have no idea. But I would think that If something doesn't happen tomorrow by 1 p.m., then nothing will happen until Monday, November 23rd. And that's when I would suspect that he would no longer officially be under the 49ers contractual control. 00:32:07 Speaker 5: And this is the last one for me, I promise. 00:32:10 Speaker 4: Derek may want to do three or four more. 00:32:12 Speaker 3: I might never know. 00:32:13 Speaker 4: He may or may not. 00:32:15 Speaker 3: That's a tease. 00:32:16 Speaker 5: Where, where do things stand with the 13 million? Like, like as of now, I don't know. Okay. Cause it was sort of implied that he wasn't going to get reinstated until the 13 million was paid back. But I don't, I, at least I hadn't at the point in which we started the show scene that it been reported that it had been paid back. 00:32:35 Speaker 3: So yeah. 00:32:36 Speaker 1: Okay. 00:32:36 Speaker 8: Yeah. I don't know. Uh, Yeah, I don't know. 00:32:40 Speaker 7: I think everything that happened in that meeting on Friday has remained confidential. 00:32:48 Speaker 8: So I don't know. 00:32:50 Speaker 7: I think that's a matter of the 49ers and Brandon Ayuk and his agent. 00:32:56 Speaker 8: And the NFL Management Council. 00:32:57 Speaker 7: But as far as the specifics on what has actually transpired I can't tell you, and I don't think anybody has reported anything. All we know for sure is that he got his physical today. He was reinstated by the NFL with that two-week roster exemption. 00:33:18 Speaker 2: Talking about Miyoko on the UMA guest line, I have one question on Brandon Ayuk, and I know that I talk about it a lot in the offseason because that's all we had. 00:33:25 Speaker 3: But I want to get to some football here and trade deadline stuff. But just real quick, Matt. What was that like on Friday? 00:33:31 Speaker 2: Just the vibe in Santa Clara where there was the press conference with Kyle Shanahan saying, I could not care less. Then you guys go to the office where they're having this meeting, Drew Rosenhaus. I thought he was going to do the whole next question thing after the meeting. It felt like the ending of Goodfellas where the helicopters are flying around following Brandon and I. 00:33:49 Speaker 3: What was that like on Friday? 00:33:51 Speaker 7: Oh, I mean, there was certainly a circus-like feel to it, quite clearly. The fact that Drew Rosenhaus put it out there, hey, I will be, Brandon and I will be at this location at this time, led you to believe that he wanted a crowd there. He wanted, you know, he probably was thrilled when he saw the helicopters out there. I mean, it was, it was a one helicopter, I think maybe a pool helicopter shared by multiple stations, but no, I mean, he was prepared for it. And, and you know, he had his, his statement and Brandon made a short statement, but the thing, I mean, I, it seems like that kind of thing, was done a lot more in the past. Or I, you know, it just kind of took me back to the situation when, when Michael Crabtree was, was not signing his contract because he wanted a better deal than Darius Hayward Bay. And I found out where Crabtree and MC Hammer and his then agent, Eugene Parker was meeting with the 49ers. And in that incident, I, I stick that out on my own. Um, and, but it kind of gave up those kinds of vibes where, uh, I don't know, it was kind of, uh, it was kind of a throwback and something like you would see in the movies. And, uh, I'm sure, uh, we'll all have fun stories to tell later, but. 00:35:25 Speaker 5: Uh, it had everything, but it had everything, but are you laying out and starting to do sit-ups? 00:35:30 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:35:30 Speaker 4: I mean, it made me think of that too. 00:35:32 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:35:33 Speaker 8: Yeah, it did. It did. It made me think of that as well. Um, you know, with, with Tara Lowen's in Philadelphia. 00:35:39 Speaker 7: So, uh, Yeah, it seems like those kinds of things actually. 00:35:42 Speaker 8: Happened more years ago before the Internet. 00:35:48 Speaker 7: I can't even remember if the– I think those were probably the early days of social media when CEO put on that great display, very memorable. But, yeah, no, it was–

It's funny because I think for me, as soon as Kyle Shanahan spoke on. 00:36:09 Speaker 8: Friday, I didn't even go in the locker room. 00:36:11 Speaker 7: I got in my car and went over to the 49ers team offices, which they didn't even let him in the building that Friday. They decided to meet off campus, if you will. 49ers have a lot of their offices at Levi's Stadium and right there in that locale. And then They have other offices, some business offices around the corner, about probably a half mile away, and that's where they chose to meet with Brandon Ayuk and Drew Rosenhaus. 00:36:42 Speaker 2: Talking to Matt Maioco on the UMA guest line. Let's talk some actual football here and what happened yesterday. 49ers 38-17 over the Las Vegas Raiders, and equal parts impressive on offense and defense, doing it without Mike Evans, Adebo Samuel, and then the defense getting five takeaways. Which side of the ball were you more impressed in yesterday, Matt, with the offense or the defense? 00:37:03 Speaker 7: Oh, I'd say definitely the defense. And it wasn't like this perfect type of performance, but any time a defense is able to generate five takeaways, let alone five takeaways in one half, and the way they did it, they scored points with the defense. They prevented points with the takeaways, including Upton Stout, the punch out at. 00:37:29 Speaker 8: The goal line. 00:37:32 Speaker 7: So that's, you know, we saw it on the shoe on the other foot two weeks ago in week seven, when the 49ers committed the four giveaways against the Falcons and lost that game. That's the reason they lost it. And then Yesterday, it was kind of the opposite, where the defense generated all those takeaways. The 49ers were plus four in the turnover margin. And a team like the Raiders, I don't think any team can withstand a differential of four takeaways against any other team. And so that, to me, that was far and away the story of that game. 00:38:12 Speaker 5: Matty, where do you stand on what became the question of the evening in the aftermath, which is do the 49ers have a Super Bowl caliber defense? 00:38:26 Speaker 7: I don't think it's a defense that can carry a team to the Super Bowl. I think that they have a defense that can be good enough. 00:38:39 Speaker 8: To win a Super Bowl as long as the offense is clicking. 00:38:43 Speaker 7: I do think that they've, in some sense, kind of overperformed through the first eight games of the season. But I do think that getting DeForest Buckner back and Nick Bosa getting healthy, that potentially takes that defense. 00:39:00 Speaker 8: To another level. They don't have much depth at the cornerback position. 00:39:05 Speaker 7: So, Renardo Green and Diamandou Lenore and Upton Stout are going to stay healthy, but And when those guys are healthy and they're on the field, that defensive backfield is a heck of a lot better. I mean, we just saw it when Upton Stout missed that game against the Falcons, how much the defensive backfield suffered from that. But, no, I think the 49ers, you know, I wouldn't call them a dominant defense. I think they played very well. And I think that they can have certainly better days. 00:39:35 Speaker 8: Ahead as those guys on the defensive line get healthy. 00:39:41 Speaker 7: Certainly losing Grayson Holton yesterday was a big blow. but I think they can still make things work without him. CJ West should be back this week or at least returning to practice this week. And they have, I would say now they have three very impactful linebackers, the best linebacker in the game, Dre Greenlaw, who brings a lot to the table, and now Jaden Duggar, too, making his presence felt. 00:40:08 Speaker 8: He can do it on the edge. He can do it in coverage. 00:40:12 Speaker 7: He can do it at the line of scrimmage and as a stackbacker. I think the Predators, when I look at their position groups on defense, I think they're better now than they were when the season started. And so I think the arrow is, is pointing up for that defensive unit. 00:40:29 Speaker 2: Talking to Matt Miyoko on the UMA guest line, which element from yesterday's game, Matt, would you think maybe impacts the 49ers decision-making tomorrow, the trade deadline, Grayson Halton's injury or the performance of Jordan Watkins? 00:40:42 Speaker 7: Well, how about this? I, you know, as the news kind of filtered out today and teams are very active, Jacksonville Jaguars in particular, I think, with the 49ers, the, the element of Jordan Watkins, who remember wasn't even in uniform for the first two games of the season. And if everybody comes back healthy, you know, there, there might not be a role for him. So you're looking at, you know, him being the fifth or sixth receiver on the team. And then you, you add in the LA Rams. I mean, the LA Rams are in more dire urgency than, at the wide receiver position than the 49ers are. 00:41:27 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:41:27 Speaker 7: Devo Samuel should be back at practice on Wednesday, probably a week or two down the line. 00:41:34 Speaker 8: For, for Mike Evans. 00:41:36 Speaker 7: And then at some point in, in maybe an early December, Dejan's dribbling, but yeah, I think the 49ers will be interested, but I think that, you know, they're going to draw a line in the sand as far as what they value anybody at any position who is, currently. 00:41:53 Speaker 8: Available and will be available. 00:41:55 Speaker 7: Up until 1 PM tomorrow. But I kind of see now that with the Rams and the 49ers, they generally, not even generally, I mean, they, they want the same types of players. You know, one guy who fits one system is going to fit the other and, And so if there is a wide receiver out there that Kyle Sanahan has deemed, oh, yeah, I would like that guy, or just about any other position as well, I could see the Rams being in a much more desperate situation where they would up the ante and go after somebody that the 49ers might have their eye on. 00:42:35 Speaker 5: That being

said, Matt, the loss of Grayson Halton, how significant in your mind is considering there is some depth on the interior, would you be more inclined to go interior or edge? 00:42:50 Speaker 4: If you're look, if you had to make a move on the D line now. 00:42:53 Speaker 7: I would think edge. I still think that, you know, what they lack other than Bosa. And I realized he doesn't have a sack in three games, but you know, he, he's the guy who's done it. You know, he's the guy who's been up there and double digit sacks in his career. And we'll, we'll see, you know, how, how healthy he is as the season goes on, what kind of impact he can make. But yeah, I think the edge position, that's a game changing type of position. If you get production out of your edge rusher. And so I would think that that would be the spot. But again, the question is anybody who's available, is that going to put them over the top is, is, will they be able to, if a guy who could really be a game changer is available, I would think that other teams would have more to offer to get that player. And so anybody, the players would be able to acquire, you know, is that player going to be somebody that they decide to play over, you know, Michael Williams and, and Keon White. 00:44:04 Speaker 8: And Romello Heights. 00:44:06 Speaker 7: I don't know. Maybe, But to me, that would probably be the most impactful position. But everybody wants edge rushers, everybody. 00:44:16 Speaker 8: And so you. 00:44:17 Speaker 7: Have to pay a premium to get a player like that. And 49ers have to determine with the amount of young players who are contributing in a big way and how their roster is comprised. Does it make sense to go get a rental, to get a player for half the season that you're not going to have in the future and also give up the rights to a draft pick, a guy who will be on a smallish contract for the next four seasons? They've kind of leaned into the draft the last couple of years and added maybe even the last three years and added some really good players. And I think they need more of those young players for the future, but I totally understand as well. Like, you know, the core, the nucleus, the stars of this team aren't getting any younger. So you just, you have to take advantage of the opportunities that present themselves, but at what price, what is the cost? And that's what John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan have to figure out. 00:45:21 Speaker 3: Last one for you, Matt. I know you do your Mayoko mock draft. 00:45:24 Speaker 2: What's your mock trade deadline for, pick for an acquisition tomorrow if they make any? 00:45:31 Speaker 8: Gosh, that is so difficult. It's going to be somebody we haven't even talked about. 00:45:37 Speaker 3: All right. 00:45:40 Speaker 7: No, it's just a really difficult question. 00:45:44 Speaker 3: No, I get it. 00:45:45 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:45:48 Speaker 8: I don't know. I think it would have to be a player, I would think. 00:45:53 Speaker 7: Well, this is kind of coming out of nowhere, but you know, would it be John Jennings deciding, you know what? I think I would rather go to the 49ers. 00:46:03 Speaker 8: Now he has a calf injury. 00:46:04 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:46:05 Speaker 7: So, you know what, let's go with that one. And that's just, I'm just throwing a dart there, but he's been active for this game. The Vikings just activated Odell Beckham Jr. 00:46:15 Speaker 8: To the 53 man roster. 00:46:16 Speaker 7: So I, I, Kyle Shanahan likes guys that he knows the guys who fit guys who could step in and, and, and not miss a beat. You know, they brought back so many guys. 00:46:33 Speaker 8: So yeah, let's. 00:46:34 Speaker 7: Go with that one. A little bit off the beaten path. Never say never, I guess would be the, what I would say. 00:46:40 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:46:40 Speaker 2: Change your heart for Juwan Jennings in the last second to go back to the 49ers. 00:46:43 Speaker 3: You heard it here first from Matt Miyoko. Now we'll see what happens tomorrow. 00:46:46 Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly. 00:46:49 Speaker 2: Matt Mayoka, you can find his work on NBC Sports Bay Area. 49ers Insider joins us every Monday here on Dirty Work. And make sure you're catching Matt on X Tomorrow for anything going on with the 49ers deadline. 00:47:00 Speaker 3: Matt, we'll talk to you next week, man. 00:47:01 Speaker 7: All right, Derek, thank you very much. 00:47:04 Speaker 8: And JD, talk to you soon. Yep, talk to you soon. 00:47:05 Speaker 3: There you go. 00:47:06 Speaker 2: You catch that interview on the Esports Leader's YouTube page or on theesportsleader.com or the app. Let's hear from some 49ers yesterday in the postgame. Just some reactions to the 38-17 victory. Over the Las Vegas Raiders, it's John Dickinson, Derek Papa on the Sports Leader.