התמלול המלא של Michael J Fitch

I I I like I like it, but I still moan about it. 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:40.720 But it's it's it's a good good place to be. 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:47.360 And you do some really high profile things nowadays, and I mentioned the Gordon Ramsay restaurants. 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:49.120 How did that even come about? 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:53.519 Well, it's been 11 years now working for Gordon uh in his different restaurants. 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:56.480 Um it started, it's it's interesting actually. 00:04:56.560 --> 00:05:04.879 It's a I I started I did a show in a restaurant in Notting Hill Um called the Leadbury, which is I think it's a two Michelin style restaurant. 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:09.279 It was a guy's 50th birthday who like collects Ferraris and he hired this whole restaurant. 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:17.120 And I did magic, and I always try and do a bit of magic for the staff when I work in a venue because they're sort of, you know, they don't get to see it probably looking over your shoulder. 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:24.079 And that was one of the best decisions I made at that gig because I went into the kitchen, did some stuff for those chefs, and the chef was very high up. 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:34.319 He used to work for Heston Blumenfell, and then he went on and worked with Gordon, and when they wanted entertainment in London, uh they said, Oh, we know this amazing guy, you should get him in. 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:44.079 So it wasn't Gordon who phoned me, it was one of his his uh his people, and I went in and and that was the so literally I I can see where that came from just by me going in the kitchen and doing magic for someone. 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:46.800 So you never know where some of these opportunities come from. 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:52.480 And then you know, since that I've I've so I worked at Breadstreet Kitchen, which is the original one that's near St. 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:53.439 Paul's Cathedral. 00:05:53.600 --> 00:06:11.199 I used to do every every other Sunday or one Sunday a month, then two Sundays in a month, and at some point it was every Sunday, and then um it became sort of more seasonal, and then they moved me to other restaurants and and uh Lucky Cat in Mayfair, uh, which I love working there because I always sort of get fed as well at the gig. 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:17.839 So it's nice, you know, from going from a steak or beef wellington to really nice sushi and cocktails, so it's lovely. 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:40.560 Um, and then um obviously the the recently Gordon's just opened his 100th restaurant in London, which is the Bread Street Kitchen, which is in Bishopsgate, which is a really tall building um in the city, and it's the highest restaurant in Europe, it's 60 floors above London, and it's sort of on the same level as the top of Shard, but obviously the Top of Shard doesn't actually have buildings at the top, it's more just a sort of uh structure. 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:59.600 And um, yeah, I did New Year's Eve there, and then since the documentary on Netflix, there's a documentary about being Gordon Ramsey and it shows that venue being built, they are solidly booked out, and uh I got a call from the management asking what I could do there, and I'm now there every Thursday night and every Sunday afternoon. 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:02.079 Um, and it's amazing who you get there as well. 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:08.720 You know, we had a Nikki Glazier, who is the host of the Golden Globes, I think, is a female comedian from Hollywood. 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:13.920 She was in, and because she had a show at the Hammers with Apollo, Rod Stewart was in the other day. 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:16.319 Uh he gave me 40 quid, which is nice. 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:20.879 So um, but we get lots, yeah, lots, lots of influencers there, lots of people. 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:23.199 But it's uh, you know, people are very excited. 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:24.959 Every day is like a Saturday night there. 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:27.680 I was there last night and and I work both restaurants. 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:34.639 So work Bread Street Kitchen on the 59th floor, and I get in one lift to go up to the 60th floor and do um Lucky Cat. 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:36.399 And uh it creates a real buzz. 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:39.839 And um they they really make me feel special when I get there. 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:44.560 I can have you know, have a coffee ready for me, a cappuccino, or if I want a cocktail and something to eat. 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:47.759 They and it it's yeah, it's a great relationship with them. 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:48.800 So I'm very, very lucky. 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:51.519 It's I've probably got one of the best residencies ever. 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:52.800 I'm very lucky. 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:55.600 So, but it means I go I'm going to London all the time. 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:57.600 I'm backwards and forwards to London all the time. 00:07:57.759 --> 00:07:59.839 But it's it's a it's a good problem to have. 00:07:59.920 --> 00:08:02.399 So that's uh yeah, very special, special gig. 00:08:02.720 --> 00:08:04.639 Well, thank God you're not afraid of heights. 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:05.439 That's all I can say. 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:07.600 I know looking looking out all the time. 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:15.920 What an amazing place to be able to work, and it would be remiss of me not to talk about the circle and all of the amazing things that have been happening there. 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:20.160 Uh, is there anything coming up or anything that you want to tell everyone about? 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:27.279 Uh yeah, I was just obviously just had the convention and there's a beautiful ride up in the Magic Circular, uh, which was nice to see. 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:33.360 That was dedicated to Wayne Dobson uh this year because it would have been on Wayne's birthday, and we had a lot of Wayne's friends in the show. 00:08:33.519 --> 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Brian Conney was in the show, we had um Joe Pasquale. 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:39.519 Um we had it was incredible. 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:42.240 It was the the day was amazing, um, as you know. 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:43.759 You know, there was a real buzz. 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:48.720 You know, the dealers we had in the in the um Magic Circle HQ, that worked better. 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:52.240 So myself and Lee Hathaway sort of run the convention. 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:58.080 We've learned a lot of lessons from previous conventions, and uh a lot of people are saying it's the best one we've we've ever done. 00:08:58.159 --> 00:08:58.799 So it's difficult. 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:05.679 I've already got a notepad started for next year and some some names I would love to have there, but it's gonna be a very difficult one to beat. 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:15.039 Um but the next next project I'm working on, as I'm now an officer of the Magic Circle as Vice President, uh, it falls upon us to organise the awards evening. 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:20.720 And uh we have got our Magic Circle Awards coming up on the 8th of November. 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:26.159 Um at the moment, we're just releasing tickets today for members of the Magic Circle. 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:33.600 If they're any surplus, then we would love to invite the public as well, because we have got something very special lined up. 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:36.799 We're obviously going to do the awards and we have a show. 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:42.000 I'm just looking quick quickly for my poster on my phone so I can give you some of the names that I've got. 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:46.240 We I mean we've got uh hosted by the lovely Debbie McGee. 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:50.799 So we're you know very lucky, and she's honorary vice president of the Magic Circle. 00:09:51.039 --> 00:10:07.039 Um we have got coming over from Las Vegas, we've got Kevin James, and we've got well Marvin's got some amazing contacts, and we've got uh a lady called Gwen Dickey from Rose Royce, she is the one who sings Wishing on a Star and Um Carbosh. 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:14.879 Looking at the carwash, you know, and so we've got we've got her opening the show, singing in Wishing on a Star at the beginning, which will be amazing. 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:22.240 And we've even got Brian Carnelly and Joe Pasqualia coming back and going to be performing their madness on stage as well in the awards. 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:24.240 So it's gonna be an incredible show. 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:32.720 Um, so yeah, if uh I whenever this goes out, check out the Magic Circle website and uh if there's any tickets, then get yourself tickets. 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:34.320 Um members have a discount. 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:38.960 Um and for the first time in a long time, we are we're having a dinner before the awards. 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:47.919 So there's an option for a gold ticket, which is gonna have an amazing dinner in the devant room and uh from six till eight, and then we'll go into the divant room. 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:53.440 No, no, into the theatre and join everybody, and then there's an after party as well, and we've got entertainment for that. 00:10:53.600 --> 00:10:55.120 So I'm really looking forward to that. 00:10:55.200 --> 00:11:02.240 Uh, but I will just uh yeah, won't eat at Ramsey's that day because I'm working till five and I've got that dinner at six o'clock. 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:04.240 So the food, the food's very good. 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:09.279 The Wesley Hotel are catering, and we did a taste of it the other day, and the food was exceptional. 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:11.600 So yeah, very excited about that. 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:14.480 Um, so it's really great to bring that place to life. 00:11:14.559 --> 00:11:16.480 I mean, the magic circle is being used more than ever. 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:20.320 You know, it used to, a few years ago, it was it was closed on a Saturday. 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:30.960 You know, we've got a lovely little theatre there, and it was just only being used really for the close-up show um on the Friday, and you know, a few sort of school shows and bits and bobs. 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:35.840 But now it's literally got to a stage where the circle has been opened every single day for different events. 00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:37.600 So it's incredible. 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:39.440 And that's down to an incredible team. 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:41.519 Lee Hathaway, big shout out to Lee. 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:51.440 He's he's working at the HQ every day really hard and uh and helping making these things happen, and to an incredible council with a vision um and working alongside the foundation. 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:56.080 It's that yeah, things have definitely improved um over the last couple of years. 00:11:56.559 --> 00:11:59.039 And are we having a Christmas show this year? 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:03.120 Oh, yes, yeah, an amazing Christmas show uh coming up. 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:06.559 In fact, tickets are selling very fast for that Christmas show already. 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:10.960 I don't think the announc the the headliners have been announced yet, but it's always a really good show. 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:17.039 Rob James has been producing the last few Christmas shows and uh he's he's got amazing acts in, they've been great. 00:12:17.279 --> 00:12:20.000 Um, so yeah, definitely one to look out for. 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:21.360 There'll be Halloween shows as well. 00:12:21.440 --> 00:12:22.240 We usually have Halloween. 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:29.840 Oh, actually, another thing to plug is our event at the London Hippodrome, uh celebrating the Houdini's event. 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:31.120 So that's coming up. 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:33.759 That is in I haven't got my dates in front of me. 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:37.600 That is in October no, no, I think it's October, end of October. 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:39.200 But

check out the Magic Circle website. 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:47.679 We've got a Houdini event that uh um Paul Zennon is producing and uh he's calling in lots of favours and it's gonna be an amazing show. 00:12:47.759 --> 00:12:49.360 I bought my ticket straight away. 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:53.200 And it's in the Magic Mike Theatre, you know, where the at the bottom of the Hippodrome. 00:12:53.360 --> 00:12:58.000 And there is a link to Houdini and the Hippodrome, because obviously Houdini performed at the London Hippodrome. 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:01.279 He's his uh Miracle's escape, I believe. 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:03.360 Um the challenge he did there. 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:09.759 So, and because this year, obviously, there's a lot of Houdini things happening because it would have been a hundred years since Houdini passed away this year. 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:15.360 So uh there's a lot of Houdini events, and so really pleased that the Magic Circle have got the London Hippodrome. 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:16.720 It's gonna be an amazing night. 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:22.799 So, do again go to the Magic Circle uh website for more details, but that is at the London Hippodrome. 00:13:23.039 --> 00:13:27.200 Um, so tickets are selling very fast for that, so yeah, do get your tickets for that. 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:29.279 So let's move back to you. 00:13:29.360 --> 00:13:32.639 So earlier on, you mentioned that you're into all sorts of different kinds of magic. 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:35.039 I've even spoken to you about bizarre magic before. 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:37.759 So, how do you put a list together? 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:46.960 If you mention earlier on that you're into illusions and you're into close up and you're into all of these different things, how difficult is it to just narrow that down to eight effects? 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:49.360 Uh very difficult, as you're about to find out. 00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:55.279 And I've got a 40-foot container now that is because my magic, I I don't get rid of any magic. 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:56.240 That's the problem. 00:13:56.399 --> 00:13:59.120 I keep getting new magic and not get, you know. 00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:00.080 So I've got a problem. 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:01.039 I'm a hoarder. 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:01.440 Yeah. 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:03.279 Uh I feel I'm on hoarders anonymous. 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:04.080 Hi, I'm Michael J. 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:05.279 Fitch, and I'm a hoarder. 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:07.759 Um, but I I still love getting new magic. 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:09.919 It's still my hobby as well as my job. 00:14:10.240 --> 00:14:12.720 So I love it, you know, and I'm the worst one. 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:18.639 Or I think, you know, you know, Peter Nardi and all the others love me because I go over to the stand and they're like, oh, show Fitchy this, who want that? 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:19.759 And I'll go, Oh yeah, I love that. 00:14:19.840 --> 00:14:20.240 I love that. 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:22.080 And I end up with carrying and a lot of the stuff. 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:28.240 I've still got a lot of stuff that's still packed from Blackpool that I'm not even open because I've got, yeah, I want that, I want that. 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:49.919 Um, but but I guess, but then I go back to a lot of stuff that I've been doing since I was a teenager that is actually my bread and butter that has, you know, pays the mortgage and and pays the bills because it is stuff that's sort of bulletproof stuff, and you know, but uh, but yeah, so I look we'll go we'll go through different things and it, but I uh it's I'm um it's gonna be very difficult. 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:55.279 If this is your first time listening, we are about to maroon Michael on his very own magical island. 00:14:55.360 --> 00:15:04.240 When he's there, he's allowed to take eight tricks, banish one item, take one book, one non-magic item that he uses for magic, and of course it's season three, which means he gets a welcome package. 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:10.879 Inside his welcome package is a normal deck of cards that he's allowed to only do one effect with. 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:11.919 So, Mr. 00:15:12.080 --> 00:15:15.600 Fitch, what are you gonna do with your normal deck of cards? 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:20.960 Do I have to pick something that I do now or stuff that I can learn while on the island? 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:22.879 Because how long am I on this island for? 00:15:23.120 --> 00:15:24.799 Uh indefinitely. 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:26.399 Um, sorry. 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:28.000 You can as well. 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:31.759 You can do things that you've you've never done, you've always wanted to do. 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:36.639 A lot of people have said like a memorized deck because they've never had the chance to do it. 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:37.759 Well, there you go. 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:39.039 You took the words out of my mouth. 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:48.240 And this since Tamares has passed away, um I like I, you know, everyone I I've got very fond memories of meeting Juan Tamares and seeing his stuff. 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:56.639 But I I remember a lot of like watching Michael close the work, and then I used to watch it and it do this amazing magic, and it'd go, right, this is a memorized day. 00:15:57.039 --> 00:15:59.200 Right, skip, skip, because I can't do that. 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:00.080 No, skip. 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:06.559 So I know there are so many miracles out there with a memdeck, and it's something that I've always wanted to do. 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:14.159 And you know, with the sad news of uh Tamaros passing away this summer, I I thought, you know what, I'm going to learn it finally. 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:21.840 So I was actually in Sardinia on a beautiful island, actually, which I'm very lucky to go there, sort of three times a year working at this beautiful resort. 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:24.960 Um I thought I'm

gonna learn the memorized deck. 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:28.639 So I did, and this is this is interesting, actually. 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:30.080 It might be interesting for magicians. 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:41.039 I'll tell you who who was very helpful because when you're learning the memorized deck with any trick, if your partner is often the one who suffers because you're like, name a card, name a number, name a card, name a number. 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:43.919 Well, uh Helen got fed up with doing that. 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:50.799 So ChatGPT came to the rescue, and actually we've been getting on really well, me and chat. 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:52.799 It's got the voice on there. 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:54.399 Do you do the have you ever done the voice thing? 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:55.840 You talk to ChatGPT. 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:58.960 Oh, it's insane, and you can change the voice as well. 00:16:59.039 --> 00:16:59.919 It's very strange. 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:02.879 And it's it sounds very humanized, very strange. 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:11.839 Anyway, ChatGPT has been testing me on the card, the position, and we're doing we're pretty much doing routine every single day. 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:19.920 Um, so I've now learnt all 52 cards and 52 positions, some are sharper than others. 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:24.559 Okay, if you're gonna throw a number at me or something in a minute, I can tell by the twinkle in your eye. 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:28.559 Um but uh and now I'm linking them all. 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:44.400 But yeah, so I'm on this island, I've got a deck of cards, I am going to stay committed to my project of learning the memorise deck uh because I and the equations that you need with it, let's just say that, to be able to perform miracles. 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:51.920 Um, because there may be muggles listening, and I'm now vice president of the Magic Circle and I don't want to get kicked out for a bloody podcast. 00:17:53.440 --> 00:18:01.920 Um, so if I said to you, is is there like a particular routine that you've always wanted to do with a mem deck? 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:13.680 I mean, obviously the holy grail is always card at any number, or that type of effect where um I think that would probably be it with that. 00:18:13.920 --> 00:18:21.200 Jazzing with a pack of cards and knowing having the order of the cards, knowing the number, the position, to be able to cut to their card. 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:25.519 You can just you can do more jazz magic, which which I love the sort of jazz magic feel. 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:34.480 You know, you you learn so many different card tricks throughout your career that it's nice when someone you could borrow a pack of cards, you got a pack of cards, and you you don't know where it's going sometimes. 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:36.400 And that often happens sometimes when I'm working. 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:40.960 I think that's sometimes the best stuff rather than yeah, I've got structured stuff I do all the time. 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:43.680 But I love that jazz element to it, you know. 00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:49.119 When you're first learning like the classic force, you're like, I'll pick a card, pick a card, and someone keeps picking the same card. 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:51.039 It they love that, they find that so funny. 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:53.839 And then you're like, You get, I'll get rid of that card, stop picking the five of hearts. 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:55.279 Oh, it's the five of hearts again. 00:18:55.359 --> 00:19:02.559 And it's it's the best way to practice that move is and then you've created you end up creating your own little routine that goes with that trick. 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:05.519 Um, you know, by then keep and then you're using different methods. 00:19:05.599 --> 00:19:07.039 Oh, I'll riffle the card, say stop. 00:19:07.279 --> 00:19:07.920 Fine, we'll do this. 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:10.000 You I'll deal the cards down, stop when you want. 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:14.240 And they keep picking that same card, that becomes such a fun routine. 00:19:14.319 --> 00:19:16.960 Um, and the part to the public, they absolutely love it. 00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:30.240 So um I think with a memorized deck, I would sort of go down that sort of jazz magic route of you know, they name a card and the card they name could be in exactly the right position for you to spell their name without without touching the cards or something like that. 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:35.519 Or, but that then, you know, to do that sort of mathematical equation in your head, that's another skill in its own right. 00:19:35.599 --> 00:19:43.920 So there's you know, there's so much involved um that you know it's it's you need time on a desert island to actually do it. 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:53.839 So I think that I can see why other people would have picked that because it's probably something on a lot of people's lists, and it's having the time to do it because you know, we we're all we all lead busy lives. 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:57.279 Um, I mean, even if you're not busy, you're busy with stuff on Netflix and stuff like that. 00:19:57.359 --> 00:20:01.519 You go, I've got to watch this whole season before I do anything else, which uh, you know. 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:09.039 So it's like this this opportunity of being on a on a desert island is a great chance to to do this stuff you've always been putting off. 00:20:09.119 --> 00:20:11.440 And I I can see why it's been picked by other magicians. 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:16.160 So I'm sorry if it's a a lazy answer that other people have picked, but I can see why they've picked it. 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:25.839 So I'm gonna I'm gonna nail that stack, every position, and be a mathematical genius with a pack of cards, resulting in creating some of the best card magic you've ever seen. 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:31.839 Okay, well, you know, I I think that using this podcast for good is always a great way to

go. 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:34.400 So anyone that sees Michael J. 00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:48.880 Fitch out and about, shout out shout a number at him, um, and then or or a playing card and see what response you get, especially if you know um the moniker, and then and then he can yeah, we we can help him out a little bit. 00:20:49.039 --> 00:20:51.759 But yeah, that's a great, great choice in your welcome package. 00:20:51.920 --> 00:20:53.359 Let's go to your main list then. 00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:55.519 So, what's in your first position? 00:20:55.839 --> 00:21:02.079 Okay, I'm gonna start with something that I'm sort of known for now, and that's I'll bring some spoons out with me. 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:03.440 Just regular spoons. 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:16.400 It's how I close my show with the spoon bending, and I um yeah, so I'll take some spoons out because that sort of seems to be like my sort of signature piece that I I close the show with. 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:24.480 I've got an amazing story about meeting Urigella uh that I I talk about in the show, and it's it's there's no word of the lie, it's true. 00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:37.839 So I it was at a magic convention in London, uh, it was the international convention where um Uri Geller was there, and uh I remember, you know, I always try and get an opportunity in something, as you all know. 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:47.359 So I'm sitting for dinner, and there's a few magicians around the table, and I said, I would love to get a quote on my spoon bending from Urigella that I could use. 00:21:47.519 --> 00:21:51.440 Because if you're gonna get a quote on spoon bending, that's the man to get it from, yeah. 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:59.200 He's so I was and then I was told another magician said, There is no way that you will get a quote from Urigella on spoon bending. 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:01.119 And that Spurred me on even more. 00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:03.519 It's like, right, well, what have I got to lose? 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:03.920 Right. 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:13.200 If I ask him, show him what I do with a spoon, ask him for a quote, um, great, and he says, no, fine, at least I asked. 00:22:13.519 --> 00:22:20.480 So I and I'm sort of seems going into my script now that I I say on stage because it it sets it up beautifully. 00:22:20.559 --> 00:22:24.960 The conditioning for doing the spoon bend, it's it is perfect. 00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:33.279 So I sort of say when he when you see spoons, you think of spoon bending, you think of um I've been bending spoons since I was about five, six years old. 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:41.839 And uh I had the pleasure of meeting Uri Geller about 11 years ago in London, and I said to him, No matter where I'm in the world, whenever I bend a spoon, people mention your name. 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:44.640 And he looked at me and said, Show me what you do with a spoon. 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:47.920 I don't do impressions, I think it sounds like it might be Welsh, I don't know. 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:53.200 Anyway, so I bent a spoon for Geller, and he kind of freaked and said it was the best he'd seen. 00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:54.079 That's true. 00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:58.720 And then I being a cheeky Essex boy, so can I have that in writing, please? 00:22:58.880 --> 00:23:01.519 And two days later, a letter turned up in the post. 00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:02.480 It was Ben. 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:03.680 Uh-huh. 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:05.119 Pause for laugh. 00:23:05.359 --> 00:23:10.880 And it said, and this is the quote Michael spoon bends an act amazing. 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:15.119 It looks just like the metal melts out of his gaze, he does it better than me. 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:21.440 Now, if you're gonna get a quote on the spoon bending, that's the man to get it from. 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:24.079 And that quote was unbelievable. 00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:28.000 So I'm so glad that I spoke to him that day. 00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:40.079 And I closed my show with a spoon bend, and at the end, when the spoon is all twisted in a child's hand or a lady's hand, I'll have Urigella's voiceover come on over the sound system. 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:44.079 And because and he's and he says, as Michael says, nothing is impossible. 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:47.200 This is Urigella, and it's all it all ties it in beautifully. 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:57.200 So it's become a really set piece in my show that's that's quite sort of inspirational because there is a whole message that goes off with it, and and I love performing it. 00:23:57.279 --> 00:23:59.680 You know, it's got a really strong bed of music behind it. 00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:04.559 And you know, I used to do it at tables, but I don't now I do it once at the show. 00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:05.839 It's a closer. 00:24:06.079 --> 00:24:11.359 And uh, and with the message that goes with it, and with the quote from Geller, it's it has become something, you know. 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:24.559 I David Copperfield invited me back, in fact, it was actually David Copperfield's apartment at the MGM Grand after a tour of uh his museum, which was very lucky to have myself, my wife, and Matthew, Matthew Dowden. 00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:30.319 We were in Vegas and David Copperfield, we in we saw the show, it was loved it, invited us to his museum. 00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:31.519 That was incredible. 00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:37.200 It felt like it felt I felt like Charlie and the chocolate factory, a kid and it was unbelievable. 00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:43.200 Like if I told the story of going to Copperfield's museum, it sounds made up because it's so ridiculous. 00:24:43.359 --> 00:24:47.039 The way I went into the museum, there was a fake shop front. 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:51.680 Um, and he's changed that recently to a different, but it used to be like a lingerie shop. 00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:56.640 And you go in, and it's no secret because it's on the edge of a warehouse where you got

lorries with Copperfield's eyes on. 00:24:56.720 --> 00:24:59.920 So it's not that secret, because you know, you know it's in his plot. 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:10.480 But you go in this little shop, and to get in there, this was at midnight, we had to meet on a Wednesday in Vegas, and we're in this shop, and there was another couple of people on the tour. 00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:20.640 Peter Gruber, I think he was a man, the director or something behind Batman, and there was another couple of people on the tour who are far more important than us, which is why we're very lucky that I think we got the really good tour. 00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:25.119 And uh Copperfield, now this sounds made up, but it's not. 00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:30.799 He opened there's a there's a little dressing room with a curtain, like you would get in shot. 00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:31.839 This sounds so weird. 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:39.440 He opened, he he was inside this dressing room and he opens the curtain like David Copperfield, like a cabinet, and he beckons us in. 00:25:39.519 --> 00:25:47.200 And we get into a changing room with David Copperfield, me, my wife, Matthew, and David, and he shuts the curtain. 00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:55.839 I'm now in a small dressing room with David Copperfield, like a bit like Willie Wonker and Charlie Chocolate Facina in the glass elevator sort of thing. 00:25:55.920 --> 00:26:04.799 We're in a small space, push this button, and that opened a secret door from the dressing room into his warehouse, and it was just insane. 00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:09.039 It was the most and probably one of the I I'll remember that forever. 00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:11.359 It was I I couldn't sleep for after that. 00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:12.160 It was incredible. 00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:13.440 But anyway, sorry. 00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:22.640 After this tour, we then went to his apartment, the MGM Grand, uh, myself, Helen and Matthew, uh, because he wanted me to bend a spoon for him. 00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:25.359 So then I said, Have you got some spoons? 00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:27.119 He said, I'll get you some, help yourself to a drink. 00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:28.480 So we're in his apartment. 00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:30.720 And he's staying the MGM Grand. 00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:35.039 They don't do cheap spoons in the MGM Grand, they are very thick. 00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:38.720 So he comes back with this massive spoon. 00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:42.240 And I was like, Oh, couldn't you have stayed in a cheaper hotel? 00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:43.039 Right? 00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:47.680 And so then I bent a spoon for him and talked about what I did with the thing. 00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:53.359 And so I've I've got an amazing photograph of me bending a spoon for Copperfield in his apartment. 00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:56.079 And I gave him one of my magic coins as well, a Michael J. 00:26:56.240 --> 00:27:01.519 Fitch coin, which I I did the uh muscle pass, showed it that normal coins

fall down, these coins fall up. 00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:07.200 And when he said goodnight to us, he went upstairs and I heard the coin falling on the floor. 00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:09.599 So I was trying to do the muscle pass, maybe. 00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:12.240 That's what I like to think anyway, or he just dropped it. 00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:14.079 But but yeah, so there you go. 00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:21.119 The spoons, I'm taking spoons with me, but not just to eat, to uh to close my show with if I get a gig on there. 00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:28.480 What I think's really interesting is we've only had a couple of guests who have mentioned either spoon or fork bending that mentioned doing it on stage. 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:31.519 And I think that's what's really unique about what you're doing. 00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:54.640 You're taking this, you know, famously close-up effect or something that's done on TV with close-up cameras, and you're making it play to a massive audience, and also with that lovely story uh and that lovely full circle moment, it just goes to show that's almost, you know, that's a lesson in taking something intimate into a larger arena, but actually still making it feel intimate. 00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:55.680 Yeah, absolutely. 00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:58.640 I mean, a lot of the times I'm doing that. 00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:06.720 I mean, often, you know, if I'm doing it in like parlor shows or rooms, you know, private dining experiences, it's perfect because the room, everyone can see that close up. 00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:08.000 And it's very dramatic. 00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:10.400 It's very dramatic with the music and stuff. 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:12.960 It's it's really, really uh intense. 00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:22.319 But when I do it on stage, like in Italy, there's I've got a camera, they have a camera man, and there's big LED screens behind me, and it fills the whole screen. 00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:26.400 Um, and it's all televised and goes around the whole resort on every screen as well. 00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:27.200 So I'm aware of that. 00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:31.759 So I'm very much looking down the barrel of the lens and and and selling this. 00:28:31.839 --> 00:28:34.160 Um, but it's one that people talk about, you know. 00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:39.039 Um, you know, I'm staying in this resort as well, so people stop me by the pool saying, Oh my god, the spoon was unbelievable. 00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:42.640 My kids are all grabbing springs at breakfast trying to bend it and this and that. 00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:48.400 So I know it's something that works, and it's mainly the message that goes over with it as well that nothing is impossible. 00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:53.839 Um, after the child or the lady has bent this twisted it in her hand and stuff, it's that's what I love. 00:28:54.000 --> 00:29:11.279 That's you know, there's certain tricks that stand out, and that that would only be right at the end of my set and not the

beginning, um, because you know there's other comedy effects and stuff you do, but to have a bit of a serious message that goes over, um, yeah, that's that's pretty special. 00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:17.279 Well, those spoons are going with you, as well as a recording of Yurigella's voice, uh, just for that end. 00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:19.359 Yes, and uh and the music. 00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:20.640 And the music as well. 00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:22.240 Sound system, yeah, yeah. 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:25.039 I presume that I presume there's a sound system there, is there? 00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:26.880 Because otherwise I've got to pack all that. 00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:29.359 Uh we'll we'll dump it on your island. 00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:30.559 It'll be there waiting for you. 00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:31.599 It'll be there if you want to. 00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:32.559 Is there electricity? 00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:33.599 There's electricity, obviously. 00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:35.680 We're not we're not we'll give you solar panels. 00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:36.319 There you go. 00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:38.240 Then then we're being economical. 00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:40.160 Let's go to number two then. 00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:41.759 So what's in your second spot? 00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:54.720 I'm gonna put in a pretty much everyday carry that I have with me, something that a lot of magicians will think doesn't get a very good reaction because it's a lot often as magicians we see tricks and we're like, oh, I know that. 00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:55.359 I know that. 00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:57.440 Oh, that's I did that years ago, I'm not doing it now. 00:29:57.519 --> 00:29:58.720 And they forget the response. 00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:06.240 So that is my how's that um, you know, my uh cricket bat, mini cricket bat, which is the paddle, a paddle stick. 00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:10.160 Um, I've got a cricket routine with it, produces a cricket ball. 00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:15.119 Um and uh I it's it goes down so well. 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:17.599 It's such eye-popping stuff, like you know, this. 00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:32.480 I mean, you get paddles sticks in a in a magic set, you start with, but with when you it gets such there's so many points of magic to it, and it's such a fun, entertaining routine that I it's something that I made the mistake of thinking, oh no, that's no good. 00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:54.079 I I did it for one cricket event, I made it for that and did it for that, and it went down so well, kept it in my pocket for the next gig and did it at dinner, and then and now it's in my pocket all the time, and at the right time to do it, it's it's a great eye-popping bit of visual magic that just uses uh the very basic stuff, doesn't take up much stage place in your pocket, but it plays big. 00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:55.839 Pack small plays big. 00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:10.000 It's a um a mini cricket bat, uh, and I draw a cricket ball on there, and we draw multiple balls on there, and then it's sort of like a memory test, and it's it's very much like the original sort of um, you know, we'll start again. 00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:18.559 Um, there's three on each side, you rub one away, and then there's there should be five, and now there's but there's still six, and you keep doing it. 00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:22.559 So sort of fun, confusing routine that people are like, what's going on? 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:27.359 And I've had people pick up the paddle and say, Is this like an LED screen? 00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:28.640 Is this electronic? 00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:33.599 Because it looks so visual, the the ball popping up the top, and then I produce a real cricket ball from it. 00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:40.319 Um, so it's yeah, it's it's very basic, but it it absolutely does the job. 00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:50.079 Um, and I I've had it's weird because I um we used to put them through Alakazama as well, and they we you know, we sold we sold loads when I initially started doing it. 00:31:50.319 --> 00:32:01.359 Um, and there must be like certain conversations start on chat rooms because I'll be all of a sudden commenting, getting loads of people messaging me, going, Oh, have you got any uh how's that available? 00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:06.400 I really want one, but I'm like, right, so I need to get some because I've got these beautiful little leather cricket balls that go with it and stuff. 00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:12.079 So in fact, I've got I've got a little list here of people that want one that I need to uh to get some more put together. 00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:13.440 So I will be doing some more soon. 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:22.640 But it's it is a it's just a real fun close-up routine that's that it's visual, very visual, eye-popping, and it's got the perfect ending. 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:24.160 And it looks like a cricket bat. 00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:26.799 Because the thing is with a paddle stick, you get it out, you go, What's that? 00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:29.359 Well, it it looks it's a cricket bat because it's what it looks like. 00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:33.920 It's a mini cricket bat that you know a small cricketer or a guinea pig would use. 00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:38.480 Um, so we've actually had this on the podcast before. 00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:43.359 It was Wayne McEwen had this in his list, it was his number one spot on his list. 00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:47.279 So if you haven't listened to this, go check it out. 00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:49.599 Um, but yeah, paddle routines. 00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:52.880 I think paddle routines are very underrated now. 00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:56.880 Uh, I think that they are still really good fun. 00:32:57.039 --> 00:33:04.799 Uh, I actually found uh one of the old diamond uh hot rods a few weeks ago and took it into working around. 00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:18.400 And it still gets great reactions from people that have never seen a paddle trick before because you know it just it is such a simple

prop, such a simple idea that people can latch onto, but it just looks so impossible. 00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:22.240 And using your cricket bat uh is just a great, great way of doing it. 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:23.119 Yeah, exactly. 00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:31.599 And there's some great stuff out there with lighters as well, and you know, labels coming off lighters and stretching the lighter or different things happening, but it's it's a great thing. 00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:46.079 And even like when I've done some trade shows and you've got a trade show with their logo on on, for example, I've got a pen here, that when you when you make their logo appear on the pen, just by doing that simple paddle move, it's another little trick that you're and it goes down really well. 00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:53.279 So I've been at trade shows where their logo is just in the right place, and you can show, oh, this is a blank, blank pen, but if I do this, it's got a logo on, you'll never forget it. 00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:55.279 And then they're like, Oh wow, how'd you do that? 00:33:55.440 --> 00:34:07.359 And it's just you know, it's the basics that that uh you know we should all learn when we're younger, and but don't underestimate the power of some of these simple tricks that you learn because uh there's there's the lesson there, everybody. 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:09.280 Don't underestimate the power. 00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:10.320 There you go. 00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:11.519 So that's going with you. 00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:15.519 You've got a little cricket bat, and maybe we'll have to give you a little gerbil or something uh to play with. 00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:18.559 Yeah, I'll give the guinea pig to play cricket with, yeah. 00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:20.320 Let's go to number three then. 00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:21.840 What's in your third spot? 00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:28.639 One of my favourite ones, tricks, uh, which I think you sell Alakazam. 00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:30.079 So you're probably gonna sell loads of these now. 00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:30.639 Maybe I won't. 00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:33.920 Oh, actually, I'm not gonna say it then, because they want to do it. 00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:36.400 It's a really good trick, moving on. 00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:39.119 Ah, oh, conflicted. 00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:43.760 No, is the plunger, the tiny plunger. 00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:45.119 I love it. 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:46.719 I love the tiny plunger. 00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:47.679 I don't do it enough. 00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:53.679 It's one of those tricks that you need to be the right scenario, the right setting with the right audience. 00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:55.679 But it's killer. 00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:59.920 It's absolute tiny plunger is I love it. 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:01.440 It's incredible. 00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:19.519 So the the trick is um you've got a little tiny plunger, and you've got a pack of cards, and you get you say this plunger can pick up as many cards as you

like, and you um read the cut rev the plunger up, and they name a number from one to ten, they and you whack the plunger on top of the pack, and it cuts that many cards off. 00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:23.840 They count them, then you get a bigger number between 10 and 20, and it cuts that amount off. 00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:29.679 Then it finds a thought-of card, and it all builds up to people think it's you as a magician doing it. 00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:35.840 You get you get the spectator to hold the plunger, and they cut the pack and they cut to a card that they picked. 00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:38.800 It's it's just genius. 00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:42.400 It's genius, and the the work that's gone into it. 00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:44.719 Uh, I I love that trick. 00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:47.840 So I've got a little plunger in my bag. 00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:59.119 Now I remember when this came out, and it really took the magic world by storm because no one had seen anything quite like it before, and it was so fooling. 00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:18.079 I remember the the the weird methods that people were thinking up at the time, and you know, for something so strange for it to absolutely capture the imaginations of magicians, and so many people perform it now, is a testament to just how interesting and quirky of a routine it is. 00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:21.119 It's totally different to anything that anyone does before it. 00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:22.639 Yeah, I did well. 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:24.239 Didn't he do it on Flawless as well? 00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:25.840 Did he fall them with the plunger? 00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:27.840 I thought I think he did it on Flawless as well. 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:30.239 There's a great performance of him doing it on Flawless. 00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:33.519 Um it's it's it's great. 00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:37.039 I I love it, and it it's it's different as well, you know. 00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.679 I've I I really enjoy performing it. 00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:45.360 I've got some great little lines that go with it saying that I speak fluent Plungese and all this stuff, and it's ridiculous. 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:48.320 And but it it's it's entertaining. 00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:49.760 That's important, you know. 00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:55.440 You want to freak people out, but I want to pick magic that's got that's entertaining, that you can really have fun with. 00:36:55.599 --> 00:37:01.679 And the cricket bat, the plunger, all these sort of things, you get the right scenario with people around a table. 00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:05.679 You're showing them, you're not just going, I'll pick a card, there's your card, this is that. 00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:19.119 You're showing them something ridiculous and a story about when the plunger comes out and what it is, and I can communicate with this plunger, and it's just ridiculous, and it's fun, and it and you take them on a little journey, and uh so yeah, that's why I like sort of quirky little

bits like that, you know. 00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:23.199 As magicians, we you you pull out this random stuff out of your pockets. 00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:28.559 It's I'm a grown man, I'm over 40, and I'm carrying a little plunger in my pocket and a baby cricket bat. 00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:30.159 What am I doing? 00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:31.360 You know. 00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:39.599 Well, I'm excited that you speak fluent plunge, so you can continue the rest of the podcast uh in that language if you want. 00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:41.679 Okay, it's very similar to English. 00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:42.719 You ready? 00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:45.519 Okay, here we go. 00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:46.960 Let's carry on the podcast. 00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:54.559 I wonder if anyone that has well has done that effect, but with a full-size plunger, but a giant desk. 00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:55.199 Oh, I've tried. 00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:55.840 I've tried it. 00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:56.320 I've tried it. 00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:56.960 Does it work? 00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:58.159 There's a company, yeah. 00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:00.159 It's not not not easy. 00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:03.760 It's I'm I'm not talking methods now, but it's yeah, it's not not easy. 00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:08.320 But I have got a giant plunger and tried it, but we didn't, we stuck with a little one because I thought let's just sit around there. 00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:11.840 But there's a company, and this was literally where it came to its own. 00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:16.559 There's a company who sell plungers, and they were like, Oh, can you do a special show for us? 00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:17.679 And I'm like, What do you do? 00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:19.920 We sell this, we sell plungers, brooms. 00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:24.559 Well, okay, I might create a special trick for you, it might cost you a few quid. 00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:26.000 No, I didn't. 00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:38.960 Uh and yeah, so I'm in fact, next week I'm working for this company in the NEC for two two days, and I've got to sell they they sell all different industrial stuff to garden centres and things. 00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:47.039 I've got to do magic with um ant killer, so some special antiller spray and uh brooms. 00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:58.480 So I've got to do magic with brooms and antkiller, which uh yeah, which obviously I've got some beautiful playing cards printed by yourselves for the trade show, um, uh, which I always do. 00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:03.440 So I recommend that service enough, is uh, you know, there's so many great custom tricks you can do. 00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:16.320 You get a trade show and uh you can contact your company and then we can get the uh custom playing cards done within a few days on bicycle cards, do it as an upsell for a company, and you're doing branded branded magic with their stuff. 00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:19.920 So so yeah, I'll be doing the little plunger next week at the NEC. 00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:25.360 So if you come and see us in Hall 9 Monday or no Tuesday or Wednesday, I'll be there with Tiny Plunger. 00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:26.239 Amazing. 00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:29.360 Well, your little cricket bat and your little plunger are going with you. 00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:30.719 Let's go to number four then. 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:32.000 What's in your fourth spot? 00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:32.960 Rope. 00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:36.559 I'm gonna have a lot of rope with me. 00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:39.119 Um so yeah, rope. 00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:52.239 I do there's I mean, I I opened my show with a standard bit of rope and a pair of scissors, and I I was taught a routine from a great magician from the Ipswich Magic Society, um, who not everyone would know this magician. 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:56.400 His name was Ted Ted Lumby, and he was uh a lovely guy. 00:39:56.559 --> 00:39:57.280 I say was it? 00:39:57.440 --> 00:39:59.760 He's still still with us, he's not not dead. 00:39:59.920 --> 00:40:01.679 Um I hope he's not dead. 00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:03.760 Um it depends when you're listening to this. 00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:04.719 Let's move on. 00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:11.760 So okay, so I just see Jamie cracking up in the background. 00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:13.280 I'm digging myself a hole. 00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:21.679 Ted, if you're out there, up there, wherever you are, Ted, thank you for teaching me this incredible magic with rope. 00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:28.719 I learned so much, and then I got really into it and I I got Tabori, Tabore's video VHS from Tabore. 00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:30.400 I think he's alive still. 00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:34.400 Anyway, let's not go down the anyway. 00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:42.239 So I studied a lot of rope magic, so you could jazz around with rope and uh yeah, there's that's so I need some rope out there. 00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:48.320 Oh, and scissors, put that in as one thing, rope and scissors, because you need scissors with rope and rope with scissors, otherwise, you know. 00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:54.719 But yeah, so there's a there's there's so many different rope tricks that I do, but uh to Bore, I'd learn a lot from Ted Lumby. 00:40:54.960 --> 00:41:00.719 Uh I learned a lot from um and yeah, and even recently I've started doing some different stuff. 00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:10.719 I've started doing uh the rope tie, getting my hands tied together, and did that on stage in Italy, and that's a new thing that I'm going to do a lot more with as well. 00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:12.000 So an escape with the rope. 00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:13.760 So rope can be used for so much. 00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:15.519 Um, so yeah. 00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:22.400 I think that's the the interesting thing as well, is whenever we think of rope, we generally think of one or two. 00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:23.760 Well, okay, maybe three things. 00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:28.480 So cut and restored rope, ring and rope, and obviously Professor's

Nightmare. 00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:32.239 But you're right, you can actually do an awful lot with rope. 00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:38.719 Uh, and you just mentioned like the um the tie, they used to obviously have spirit ties back in the day as well. 00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:43.840 You can do a scopology with it, you can even just use it to get you out of trouble. 00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:56.639 You know, you could be somewhere, something breaks, and just having that bit of rope, I've used it a couple of times to tie uh pieces of wood together that have um come unglued uh just to get me through a performance. 00:41:56.800 --> 00:41:59.840 So it's a great just tool to have in general. 00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:01.599 Yeah, absolutely. 00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:03.760 No, I I get for a lot of rope. 00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:08.800 I uh um because I when I finish I throw the rope into the orange, the person goes back with a bit of rope. 00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:11.519 And uh uh yeah, it's it's it's great. 00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:26.320 And it with all the lines and bits of business that go with it, I do so something which I I I'm very, very lucky to have um from Wayne Dobson, who uh we'll absolutely mention, who was my mentor and friend. 00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:39.679 Uh and he chose me to pass his voices routine on to, you know, which he became very famous for um on the raw variety performance with uh Harry Frank Bruno and Harry Carpenter, you know. 00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:41.920 Um, and he wanted me to do it. 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:52.480 I I did a show at his old manager's house, Leon Fisk, who is a a a legend, a manager, used to be his manager, used to be Freddie Starr's manager as well. 00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:58.079 And uh I did a little stand-up spot at his house, and uh as Wayne was there, we did a little bit of the voices, threw it in. 00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:01.360 And Wayne phoned me the next day and he said, You I want you to do the voices. 00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:05.760 And he sold the rights to that routine to different people in different parts, different parts of the world. 00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:08.719 But in the UK, he hadn't, and he's like, I want you to do it. 00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:10.000 And it was such an honour. 00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:16.639 And I spent I spent time at Wayne's house, like with a mic stand set up in his house, and he's going, right, boom, here's do this. 00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:20.320 And he teaches me all the bits of business, you know, and how to do the voices and stuff. 00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:30.000 And uh I use it for different routines, but the rope routine, when I get a guy up helping me, and you know, scissors not working or this and that, and you his voice suddenly goes, I can't do it, it's not working. 00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:31.199 You know, it's like what's the rock? 00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:31.920 I can't do it. 00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:38.000 And I it people it just takes it to a different level, and it's stuff that I'm extremely lucky. 00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:39.920 And Wayne printed that in his book as well. 00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:45.280 He he put a he called it the successor and put a whole thing about me doing the rope routine, about doing the voices. 00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:49.599 And that is was an incredible thing to to be given. 00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:55.199 Um, and you know, I've used it for cards across and different bits, and it's just there, but I can do it, you know. 00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:59.679 I haven't nicked it, it's something that Wayne wanted me to do, and he's actually coached me on and taught me. 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:04.800 So I I'm very, very lucky to to be uh to have the rights to do that. 00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:15.360 And uh and with a bit of rope, a bit of rope, a microphone, a pair of scissors, I can do, you know, ten, twelve minutes of of comedy magic that people talk about. 00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:16.639 So yeah. 00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:17.840 Amazing. 00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:20.239 Well, I think that's a great one in at number four. 00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:21.519 Let's go to number five then. 00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:23.199 What would you put in your fifth spot? 00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:29.599 Let's talk about another mentor of mine who I'm very lucky that a lot of these mentors are friends of mine. 00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:36.000 I'm extremely lucky that in the magic world I pretty much get on with everybody, but your heroes become your friends. 00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:43.840 Uh, we mentioned Wayne Dobson earlier on, and there's so much material with Wayne's that I I do um that you know he's personally coached me on. 00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:49.360 His five-card repeat, actually, his five-card repeat is just you know, there's no gimmicks needed there. 00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:55.840 You know, Wayne's act used to turn up with a with a carrier bag with his stuff in, and he would go on and absolutely smash it. 00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:59.920 I'm gonna go to another mentor of mine, and that would be Doc Eason. 00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:06.960 Doc Eason, um he is uh an amazing bar magician from America. 00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:09.760 Uh, if you don't know who he is, look him up. 00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:12.000 I'm sure you will know who he is. 00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:14.079 I idolized this man. 00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:17.679 I his VHS set that he put out, Bar Magic. 00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:24.000 Uh, he did three volume one, two, and three, which I think is now a DVD set right now. 00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:32.639 Um that stuff I learned probably when I was 15, 14, 15 years old. 00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:36.480 Uh and that stuff I still do now. 00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:38.960 It's paid my mortgage stuff. 00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:49.039 Like when I saw him, I'm like, I owe you a beer because the material I learned on your VHS set and tips, he doesn't just teach material, he did tips and tricks as well. 00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:52.000 Like he'll say, if you're in a bar, do

this, don't focus on that. 00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:53.840 And he was give you an amazing tips. 00:45:54.000 --> 00:46:05.119 And I used to do um uh a hotel I used to do every Saturday, I did Friday nights and I used to do Friday nights there at a 14 post-house hotel. 00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:07.760 It shows how old this is that they don't exist anymore. 00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:11.760 But they I used to do Sunday afternoon magic and and some evenings. 00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:18.400 And and at the time when I was younger, I used to have a pack of cards that did this trick in that pocket, a pack of cards that did that trick in that pocket. 00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:23.360 I had a lock that you couldn't undo with these keys, and I was very much sort of amateur sort of style. 00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:25.360 One pack did this, one pack did that. 00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:47.199 But and then it was it was only then really that I learned all these things you can do with a normal pack of cards that Doc was doing, and um that's when I learned uh the real about doing it professionally, and so yeah, a big shout out to Doc Eason, who has got a lovely book out now as well. 00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:51.440 Actually, he's got his uh autobiography, which is which is well worth a read. 00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:55.119 He's got an amazing story, he's the most respected bar magician. 00:46:55.280 --> 00:47:03.519 He's you know, Mark Bennett um actually built created his magic bar because of Doc Eason watching those videos. 00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:08.960 He's inspired so many magicians, um, and he's a real sort of unsung hero. 00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:12.480 I'd love to get him over again uh for the magic circle. 00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:19.360 He came over and did a lecture uh with with his son Ryan um years ago, and and he uh it was amazing. 00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:22.159 He did a special workshop on card under the glass as well. 00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:24.800 Any of Doc's material, it's a worker. 00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:26.960 He doesn't put it out unless he's worked it. 00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:30.400 And so I 100% recommend anything from him. 00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:36.079 So uh so yes, sorry, I want a bit of diversion there just to give Doc that shout out. 00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:44.960 But I were going to take with me money, uh it's weird because it's not really taking I can do this with borrowed objects, but money to lemon. 00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:51.199 So I'm gonna borrow someone's money, set fire to it, and that's gonna take a lemon. 00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:53.360 And I learned that from Doc. 00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:55.840 It's it it's genius. 00:47:56.000 --> 00:48:04.079 So that is in my show, and um along with all the other stuff that Doc's taught me, I I do so much of his stuff every single day. 00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:06.239 And uh, I still go back and watch them now. 00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:12.159 And you know, when you watch like an old movie that you used to watch when you was a kid,

it makes you just it's like a comfort blanket. 00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:23.519 You know, when you watch like that old Star Wars film or Back to the Future or something like that, it takes you back to sitting on the sofa, you know, you know, beans on toast when you're a kid, like just feeling safe and watching this thing. 00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:33.920 That's how I feel watching Doc's DVDs because it's got this lovely bit of funky jazz music between each bit and all the links, and it's got Michael Lamar interviewing Doc going, yeah, Doc, another great set. 00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:35.199 What you got for us now? 00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:37.039 And then they discuss the trick. 00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:39.519 And and it I I love watching them. 00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:47.360 And Doc Klein, he sent me his D the DVDs of it now because the VHS, I don't really got a video player anymore, so that's made me want to watch it again. 00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:48.639 So yeah, I want to watch them again. 00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:50.960 Doc's and I and I still learn little bits from it as well. 00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:59.760 There's a Max Maven trick on there with um where you tear two cards in half and they they switch places, it's mind-blowing. 00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:02.480 There's such incredible stuff on there. 00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:03.920 So yeah. 00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:07.599 Uh Doc Eason's material. 00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:11.840 Let's put that down as it covers me a lot. 00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:14.960 I can do loads of gigs now on this island. 00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:20.400 Well, we we often get people trying to uh skirt the rules, but I actually quite like it. 00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:22.400 I like it when people try and hack the system. 00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:29.199 Um, so it I mean, you mentioned a specific routine there, but then you've gone back to just his material in general. 00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:33.760 So I will give you this material in general, but I like that you've done Money to Lemon. 00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:38.079 Um, what is it about that particular version of Money to Lemon, though? 00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:41.440 Because obviously there are lots of different versions, lots of different methods. 00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:44.079 What about that particular version? 00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:46.239 Just had you hooked. 00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:58.480 I like, I mean, his whole presentation with it on handing everything out before to the audience, you know, you you you hand the lemon out in a bag to someone in the audience, and he hands a knife out and stuff, I wouldn't do that. 00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:04.320 But he he hands everything out in advance and it just looks so impossible. 00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:25.360 Um and it's it's it's one of the tricks that I you know sometimes I get scenarios where I'll be working in quite a rowdy situation surrounded, and I love like I do I do nut egg lemon, I do uh where an object appears inside a walnut, inside an egg, inside a lemon. 00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:43.199 And that's you know, I can see why Daniels used to always close his show with that, you know, and and Paul Daniels, his material, I mean we'll talk about him in a moment, but his material, there's this there's a lot of his stuff that that um has rubbed off on me big time, and that I love doing that, but that needs to be done in the right scenario. 00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:46.480 Some of the environments I'm working in, it wouldn't be right. 00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:51.039 So money to lemon for me is I call it bulletproof, bomb-proof. 00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:57.920 Like I can do it with people surrounded, with lots of drunk people around me, students everywhere, this or that. 00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:05.760 It's one of those scenarios that is safe to do, surrounded, um, whatever the environment is. 00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:10.320 So that is that is very much a go-to um routine for me. 00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:17.920 I and the bits of business again that go with it as well, you know, handing the lemon out before and getting the guy to shout and doing this and that, borrowing the money. 00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:23.039 I love that whole sort of setup, this classic magician plot where it looks like it's gone wrong, but then this happens here. 00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:26.320 So that that's a real go-to for me. 00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:29.280 Well, your comfort blanket is going with you as well. 00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:34.159 So we're packing all of Doc Eason's uh material, and that's going away with you. 00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:35.360 Let's go to number six then. 00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:37.119 So, what's in your sixth spot? 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00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:53.360 Thank you for coming along with us on this journey. 00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:56.079 We are the new 1914. 00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:04.719 And I'm saying this because I do it recently. 00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:07.840 I've been doing it recently, and it's I enjoy doing it as well. 00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:10.719 And it gets again gets good feedback from the audience after. 00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:18.320 And that's my beautiful set of multiplying bottles that was made in Japan, that's very, very expensive. 00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:22.880 There are there are cheaper versions available now, but they are not quite the same as this set. 00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:26.880 This is a this is like I think it's£1200,£1,400, something like that. 00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:29.440 This set, which I didn't pay for. 00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:32.480 I got a wine merchant to pay for them for me. 00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:35.760 So I was like, oh look, if you want me for your event, they wanted me for their event. 00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:37.199 I said, I could do this one here. 00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:37.920 I showed them. 00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:42.960 I said, but you know, I don't have these, but if you want to sponsor the trick, they're like, oh yeah, we want you to do that. 00:53:43.039 --> 00:53:44.559 So brilliant. 00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:46.079 So they paid for it for me. 00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:46.800 So that's cool. 00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:47.920 So I just had to call them Mr. 00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:51.199 Wheeler's wine bottles for the first year, and now they're they're not. 00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:56.159 But that so that was uh that was perfect to to get them paid for for me because I really wanted them. 00:53:56.400 --> 00:54:11.519 Um and I uh I and it's very much done as a tribute to Tommy Cooper because as soon as you know certain uh ages in the audience when they see a bottle and a glass on the table, I think bottle glass, glass bottle, and it's there. 00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:19.920 So it'd be it it's I mentioned it all the time, so you might recognise this, and they and they love the fact that it's sort of going back and doing it as a tribute to Tommy Cooper. 00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:28.960 And you know, I have one for the road music playing on the piano, and uh, it's just a joy to perform the whole confusion of it, of the routine. 00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:34.000 And it's interesting because you know, I know that other magicians who are like, oh, I can't stand multiplying bottles. 00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:36.639 Uh the audience don't really know it, they know how it's done. 00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:41.599 You're like, well, actually, some cheaper sets you do because like the bottles look very dodgy. 00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:48.239 But these ones I've got, they look beautiful wine bottles, and they that it does confuse people, it really does. 00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:52.639 Magicians become very jaded because we know we've seen it, oh yeah. 00:54:52.880 --> 00:55:03.840 Audience, you've got the the public see things differently than we do, which is again going back to the paddle, you know, you know, you you do it for a magician, and oh I know what that is, but you do it for a member of the public, they're like, that's amazing. 00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:05.199 Is that an L C D screen? 00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:10.880 Or um same with the bottles, you know, the the butt, they come up to me and go, where the hell did all those bottles come from? 00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:22.079 You know, and and they it's it's fun, and it it's it's got it's a lovely visual, it's lovely to sort of close the show with and do a little toast to the audience at the end, and it's a classy trick. 00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:25.519 I like it, despite what some other magicians say who've got it wrong. 00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:28.960 I like it, and I'm taking them on the island with me, so there. 00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:34.480 They're going with you, but you know, I think you're absolutely right. 00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:37.599 It's something that we've been talking about a lot recently. 00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:41.760 Uh, the idea that, you know, magicians we think differently. 00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:43.280 That that's the crux of it. 00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:53.840 And you know, we use the analogy of like a plumber can walk into a house and hear what's going on in your house straight away and and you know, suspect what's going on. 00:55:54.000 --> 00:56:01.920 A doctor can do the same, they can just have a prod about and go, actually, I think it's probably this, you know, and magicians do the same. 00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:06.159 We think that way because we see the world in a different, different way. 00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:27.519 So then a lot of the time you get like hypercritical magicians who pick things apart and they don't understand that they're they're seeing things differently, and not that it's not valid, uh their their perspective is 100% valid, of course, but they're thinking of it from a magician's perspective, not from the audience who don't know these things. 00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:34.559 Uh why would someone have a set of those bottles that do that thing without giving anything away? 00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:40.000 They don't exist in in the consciousness of an audience or or the general public. 00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:41.360 Yeah, absolutely. 00:56:41.519 --> 00:56:42.480 Yeah, very true. 00:56:42.639 --> 00:56:50.400 And I think that that thinking of how magicians sometimes think on certain stuff. 00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:54.000 We they become very sort of jaded on on certain stuff. 00:56:54.079 --> 00:57:00.559 Like I saw a show uh in London that I enjoyed. 00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:05.280 Um it's gonna be so obvious while I'm talking about that. 00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:15.360 I saw a great magic show in London that that that I enjoyed, it's it's on at the moment, um, and the public loved it. 00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:21.039 But then I talked

to some other magicians and they're totally putting it down, saying, Oh, it was awful. 00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:29.119 Oh, it was all it was terrible, and I'm like, I didn't see I I see what they're talking about, certain bits, you're like, oh, that didn't work because of this and that. 00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:29.920 But you know what? 00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:37.280 Overall, I watch the audience, and when I see a theatre full of thousands of people loving magic and enjoying it, you know what? 00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:38.079 They've done the job. 00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:39.360 It's good for magic. 00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:40.800 It's good for magic. 00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:56.079 And rather than me come away telling people how terrible this show was, I was telling people, if you've got kids and you love magic, go and see this show because you're seeing it in a massive theatre in London, and it's the look, the lighting and the sound was unbelievable. 00:57:56.159 --> 00:57:59.599 And and they're like, Oh, yeah, well, the lighting sound was good, but blah, blah, blah. 00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:05.840 No, they it was a big production, it was an amazing production, and I I I thoroughly enjoyed it. 00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:09.920 And yeah, there's certain elements of it, but we're spoiled. 00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:21.599 We watch, we get a gala show at Blackpool every February where they're trying to top the last Gala show, and they've got bigger and bigger, and they've got the best magicians from around the world showing this cutting-edge magic we've never seen before. 00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:26.000 And then, oh, because I've seen that before, or oh, I'd do that trick. 00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:39.840 Well, okay, just because you do that trick doesn't mean that that, you know, there's there's a reason that you do that trick and they do that trick, is because that trick works to an audience, and there is an element of that that oh, it's lazy, it's lazy that they're doing this and that. 00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:43.840 Well, look, I I thought I I thought it was a very, very. 00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:54.480 I'm just saying, the reason I mention this is because this whole attitude that a lot uh magicians always have, and you know, and I'm probably guilty of it as well. 00:58:54.559 --> 00:58:59.280 I think all magicians have it, is just to to it's so easy just to put everything down like that. 00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:03.760 It's much better if you could just skip tell see if it was something positive about it. 00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:04.880 Oh, well done, that's good. 00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:06.960 All that you know, the bigger picture. 00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:11.199 Um see, it's just it's just too easy to criticize everything. 00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:26.320 Uh, and I I'm I'm I love magic, and I I watch look when in this show I I saw they had you know big illusions, they had so and so, but then they have like just basic sort of a bit of card magic on camera, ambitious card, card keeps

coming to the top. 00:59:26.480 --> 00:59:31.119 The people around me were gasping, it got the bigger reactions than helicopters appearing and stuff. 00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:35.440 You got people around me going, oh my god, that's amazing. 00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:38.239 And it would be so easy to come around going, oh, that whole thing. 00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:39.679 You say that's brilliant. 00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:41.920 That's brilliant, it's good for magic. 00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:54.320 So sorry, I went on a bit of a tangent there, but that's it's just I'm I'm seeing it a lot, and and to a lot of magicians as well, it's just everyone putting everyone else down, and it's it's uh yeah, it's not it's not nice to see. 00:59:54.400 --> 00:59:57.360 But I I why did why are we talking about this again? 00:59:57.519 --> 01:00:05.920 Oh, yeah, we're talking about the uh about about magic, about that attitude on on certain tricks on on the multiplying bottles, on certain tricks and stuff. 01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:10.000 If the public love it, they're the ones who your paying audience, okay? 01:00:10.239 --> 01:00:18.000 And uh and a paying audience who sees stuff just because it's seen in other places as well doesn't make it bad. 01:00:18.159 --> 01:00:20.079 Um so yeah. 01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:23.199 Well, that exactly what you were just on about. 01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:32.400 Literally this morning, uh, I read a post putting that particular show down, uh, and I had to I never normally talk up, but I did have to put a comment on there. 01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:33.840 Exactly what you just said. 01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:34.400 Yeah. 01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:37.679 Uh I got the chance to go and see it last Saturday. 01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:40.159 Absolutely loved it. 01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:58.320 I thought it was brilliant, and you know, for me it was just how often do you get the chance to see high budget, big profile magic in the middle of London in a gorgeous theatre with some incredible talent? 01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:04.880 And sure, we could all pick it apart and do it differently, and maybe there were things that should have been done differently. 01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:05.679 Who cares? 01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:14.079 The audience, the day that I went in particular, the audience absolutely loved it, and exactly like you said, there were gasps around me. 01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:27.199 And magicians also are unaware of the bigger picture, they are not backstage, they're not part of production, they don't understand necessarily why choices and decisions have been made the way that they have been made. 01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:48.000 Um, so you know, it's easy to criticize, but if you don't know what's going on behind the scenes and you don't know the circumstance, you know, and the limitations, etc., just take it for what it is, enjoy it for what it is, be grateful that we have big budget, high-profile magic on in the West End. 01:01:48.079 --> 01:02:01.840 And even more than that, it's the the you know, Rafferty, uh a brilliant member of the Young Magician's Club, um an opportunity for him that he would likely not get if it wasn't in that thing. 01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:08.239 So, you know, it's about the careers and the things that this is gonna launch for other people that are in the show as well. 01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:13.679 So, yeah, I I know we've both gone off on a tangent now, which I never do on this podcast, but I agree. 01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:17.119 So the show we're talking about, you've given a clue now. 01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:20.559 Well, it's it's now you see me live, okay? 01:02:20.800 --> 01:02:24.159 That is the show, so that's the end of that little quiz section. 01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:26.320 Um, have I frozen? 01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:27.440 No, we're still here. 01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:28.639 Yeah, you go, we're back. 01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:35.119 Yeah, now you see me live, and uh and I loved it, I loved it, and yeah, and so we had Rafferty. 01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:40.000 Yeah, I watched him win the uh stage magician competition at the young YMC. 01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:48.079 Um, and then whoever wins that competition, uh, me and Lee usually invite them to be part of the Magic Circle convention. 01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:55.280 So last year Rafferty was in the convention, and then obviously he went on and did BGT, and now he's on at the London Coliseum. 01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:57.519 And I look forward to watching his career. 01:02:57.679 --> 01:03:02.960 He's he's got he's got he's got a lovely smile, he's got a lovely energy about him. 01:03:03.119 --> 01:03:05.039 Um, but the whole cast, I loved it. 01:03:05.199 --> 01:03:20.239 I think, you know, the way that Matthew uh Pomeroy held it all together, he's an incredible presenter, he presented it really well, and uh and and I love the way it was produced by you know different magicians appearing on the balcony or this side, you didn't know where to look. 01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:23.920 And you know, some people are saying, oh, well, it should have been leaked to the film, there was no storyline. 01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:25.280 Look, it was a magic show. 01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:31.760 It's the characters from the film putting on a commercial magic show, and it did that very, very well. 01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:35.280 You know, everyone there enjoyed it, apart from magicians. 01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:38.079 Some magicians are like, oh, I've seen them do that trick. 01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:39.519 You tear the cars, they all match. 01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:40.400 Why are they doing that? 01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:41.599 Why are they doing this or that? 01:03:41.840 --> 01:03:42.639 Look, it works. 01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:47.280 It was a great thing to do before the interval because look at the energy it took created in the room. 01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:51.599 So um, yeah, I I'm I I didn't know you'd that's weird. 01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:54.880 I didn't know you that

there'd been a post and you commented on that today. 01:03:55.119 --> 01:03:58.320 But um, yeah, congratulations to everyone involved in that show. 01:03:58.400 --> 01:04:01.519 I recommend it to lots of families who uh love magic. 01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:04.000 And um, yeah, I thought it was really good. 01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:05.440 Yep, absolutely. 01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:09.760 Well, let's go let's go back to the concept of the podcast. 01:04:09.840 --> 01:04:13.119 Uh that's one of the biggest uh leaps that we've ever had. 01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:14.800 Uh let's go to number seven then. 01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:16.239 So, what's in your seventh spot? 01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:18.960 Oh, there's there's so many other magicians that I should be making. 01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:23.760 I want I'm trying to find a reason to mention Terry Herbert so I can do my Terry Herbert impression. 01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:24.960 Let me think. 01:04:25.119 --> 01:04:27.280 Um, what would Terry Herbert pick? 01:04:27.440 --> 01:04:33.519 Um shout out to Terry Herbert because uh he's a legend, he's such a lovely guy, Terry. 01:04:33.679 --> 01:04:36.079 Um he did him at Magic Circle. 01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:37.280 He was our first legend. 01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:42.639 We created this thing called Legends, where I interviewed these proper legends of the Magic Circle, and Terry was the first one. 01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:48.800 And there's so many who aren't gonna say anymore that uh we should have been to give them their own special like evening. 01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:54.960 But Terry was the first, and he performed at Magic Circle Convention, did his uh card to sausage. 01:04:55.119 --> 01:04:56.639 Is that your sausage? 01:04:57.760 --> 01:04:59.360 It's it's brilliant, Terry. 01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:09.119 And you know, such again, you know, you know, coming from the world of doing a lot of children's shows, Terry Terry's with so much material out there, and uh he's yeah, he's brilliant. 01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:17.360 So um Terry Herbert that made me very angry because I was looking forward to my Terry Herbert impression on the podcast. 01:05:17.519 --> 01:05:31.280 And you know the thing is you know, yeah, it's uh I was uh I wish Terry Herbert was like really, really famous because I could use it in my act, but I realize that if I people don't know who Terry Herbert is, it doesn't really land. 01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:34.239 So I can do there's two impressions I can do. 01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:34.880 The two. 01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:38.960 One is Terry Herbert's uh hello everyone, this is me, Terry Herbert here. 01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:44.079 You know, it's great to be here, you know, talking on the pump off even though I wasn't really advantageous. 01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:50.079 But I would love to, you know, go on this island, you know, but you know, it's uh you know it's not easy anymore. 01:05:50.320 --> 01:05:51.679 Right, so there's Terry, right? 01:05:52.239 --> 01:05:58.159 But do then shows the other one, brace yourself, is Michael McIntyre. 01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:02.000 Hello, it's Amazing to be here, so exciting. 01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:05.840 Absolutely wonderful to be here on this podcast, on this desert. 01:06:06.320 --> 01:06:07.119 It's so exciting. 01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:10.239 I can't believe I'm actually going on the ugly amazing. 01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:12.400 It's magic on there, watch the show. 01:06:12.559 --> 01:06:13.360 I can't believe it. 01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:16.079 It's so exciting, absolutely amazing. 01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:17.039 So good. 01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:18.880 Spin the wheel. 01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:19.920 So there you go. 01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:21.039 Do you know what? 01:06:21.199 --> 01:06:21.440 Right? 01:06:21.599 --> 01:06:26.159 At the very beginning of the podcast, we always put like a sound bite, right? 01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:36.079 I can can you just for now, I want you to give us in in just in the voice, because obviously there's no there's no picture, just the beginning of the podcast. 01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:38.480 Whatever you want to say, just get people hooked. 01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:39.840 But as Michael McIntyre. 01:06:40.079 --> 01:06:40.960 Okay, hold on, hold on. 01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:41.440 Let's say this. 01:06:41.679 --> 01:06:41.760 Okay. 01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:42.800 Hello everyone. 01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:44.719 It's me, Michael McIntyre. 01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:47.199 I'm so excited to be on today's podcast. 01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:48.320 It's gonna be amazing. 01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:49.760 It's gonna be a big show. 01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:55.280 Join me on this desert island where we see what magician and what magic he is bringing on the island. 01:06:55.360 --> 01:06:56.239 It's gonna be amazing. 01:06:56.320 --> 01:06:59.199 So let's get on with it and spin the wheel. 01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:01.920 Brilliant. 01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:02.960 Absolutely brilliant. 01:07:03.199 --> 01:07:08.800 Now, that's gonna really confuse our UK audience, but confuse our American audience even more, probably. 01:07:09.039 --> 01:07:09.679 Ah, brilliant. 01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:10.239 There you go. 01:07:12.079 --> 01:07:12.800 But that's great. 01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:15.760 I will say though, we've still not got a seventh trick from you. 01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:20.559 Um what's gonna be impressions? 01:07:20.719 --> 01:07:23.920 Um, I'm gonna chuck an egg bag in because you know what? 01:07:24.079 --> 01:07:26.159 It's always good to have an egg bag. 01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:28.800 As Terry Herbert would say, Do you know what, Michael? 01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:32.000 I always pack an egg bag because I'm always ready to go. 01:07:32.239 --> 01:07:33.440 So there you go. 01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:35.039 There you go. 01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:36.400 You got him in there somewhere. 01:07:37.599 --> 01:07:38.480 Eggbag. 01:07:38.960 --> 01:07:39.840 I come in there. 01:07:39.920

--> 01:07:40.239 It's great. 01:07:40.400 --> 01:07:41.039 Eggbag's great. 01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:45.519 Jobson, what he did with the egg bag was just beautiful and incredible. 01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:49.039 And um, yeah, the a proper egg bag routine. 01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:51.760 Uh I've and that works for different. 01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:54.079 I mean, I do usually do it in family shows. 01:07:54.320 --> 01:07:57.280 I've not took the uh plunge to do it for adults. 01:07:57.440 --> 01:07:59.920 I used to in my golf show, is you do it with a golf ball. 01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:04.719 Um, but yeah, egg bag is is a good solid thing to have in your bag. 01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:08.239 And I was advised that by the magicians, always have this and you'll never starve. 01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:09.440 Which is great, you know. 01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:11.599 You do a good egg bag routine. 01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:13.360 So there you go. 01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:16.319 I'm gonna put Terry Herbert doing the egg bag in there. 01:08:16.560 --> 01:08:17.279 Here we go. 01:08:17.439 --> 01:08:20.159 Watch closely, egg bag, bag egg. 01:08:22.079 --> 01:08:23.600 Yeah, this for me. 01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:29.439 So when I started doing restaurants uh years ago now, I didn't have any tricks for kids. 01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:35.279 And you know, there there's always a kid at the at tables whenever I'm doing my residency. 01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:45.359 So um I packed uh just a small Malini egg bag in my case, and it very much is that trick that makes the kid the the star. 01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:54.079 So there you have that lovely moment at the end where you know uh they stand up at the end of the table, you take their seat at the restaurant table. 01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:55.680 Uh so it's all about the kids. 01:08:55.840 --> 01:09:12.399 They look inside, they reach up, they reach in and pull out the the egg or the golf ball, and there's there's a lovely moment where no one really understands where it's going, and you see the kids' face absolutely light up when they reach inside the bag and they feel it for the first time. 01:09:12.560 --> 01:09:18.479 So it's just a wonderful, wonderful moment if you've got younger people uh that you're performing for. 01:09:18.720 --> 01:09:19.680 Yeah, absolutely. 01:09:19.840 --> 01:09:22.159 Yeah, so that's why I'm putting egg bag in. 01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:24.640 Okay, well, let's go to your eighth one then. 01:09:24.800 --> 01:09:27.199 So your final trick, what are you taking with you? 01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:31.279 I'm gonna put in my CubeZag allusion, which used to belong to Wayne Dobson. 01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:39.840 So uh I and that means my wife's got to go with me as well, though, because there's no point in just me going, look, here's a box that usually someone gets in. 01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:42.560 So, yeah, so Helen can come along as well. 01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:46.880 Um, and who is my brain, she like literally runs my business. 01:09:46.960 --> 01:09:49.760 So I I need Helen there anyway, otherwise it would be ridiculous. 01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:51.920 So let's uh let's put Helen in the CubeZag. 01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:54.000 She can she can travel in the Cube Zag as well if you want. 01:09:54.079 --> 01:09:55.760 She can, you know, she could be in there. 01:09:56.079 --> 01:10:02.079 So uh but yeah, cubesag illusion uh is uh an incredible illusion. 01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:09.760 I first saw it performed by Russ Stevens on Tricks and Tracks, and I remember watching it and thinking, how the hell is that done? 01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:12.159 It's the most impossible illusion I'd ever seen. 01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:23.199 You know, lady in the box, we put a blade through the middle first, then a tube goes underneath, then a tube goes in the top, and then splits the box in half and blew my mind. 01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:29.359 And then, you know, later on to to be able to get that illusion and perform it was it was a dream. 01:10:29.520 --> 01:10:32.239 And I love putting it in shows, so I don't do it all the time. 01:10:32.319 --> 01:10:46.640 It's done as a sort of upsell for big corporates and ones with the right budget and stuff, but it's uh it's it's great, it's a puzzle, it's a puzzle on stage, and uh I I present it, I patter through it while doing it, um, rather than just putting on music and waving my hands around. 01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:51.119 You know, I talk I talk it through like a puzzle, and it goes down so well with the audience as well. 01:10:51.279 --> 01:10:56.960 Um, so and yeah, the fact that this one used to belong to to Wayne Dobson as well means means a lot. 01:10:57.039 --> 01:11:00.239 Um so yeah, Cube Zag Illusion, I'm putting that in. 01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:02.079 So I've got a good little running order here now. 01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:04.800 I could do a good good little little show. 01:11:05.199 --> 01:11:07.520 Yeah, I mean it's a great way to close out your list. 01:11:07.600 --> 01:11:10.720 And like you say, you've got an eclectic mix of things here. 01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:20.960 You know, you had your memorized deck, then you went into that spoon bending on stage with that Yuri Geller moment, then you had how's that with your mini uh bat, I guess, baseball bat. 01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:30.960 Then you've got your tiny plunger, then you've got your rope routines, and now you've got money to lemon slash all of Doc Eastern's material that you snuck in there. 01:11:31.039 --> 01:11:34.479 Yes, um, you've got multiplying bottles, uh, which is amazing. 01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:38.159 Then you've got an egg bag, and now you're ending with your big cubes. 01:11:39.039 --> 01:11:48.800 I think you know, we started at the head of the podcast about you saying that you're into all different types of magic, and I think that's that's pretty evident there. 01:11:49.039 --> 01:11:55.359 Uh you know, we always talk about those photo opportunities at a gig, uh,

about making them diverse. 01:11:55.520 --> 01:11:58.319 And imagine this as a set of photos. 01:11:58.560 --> 01:12:03.600 All of them are completely different, completely interesting, and a little bit balmy. 01:12:04.479 --> 01:12:04.880 Thanks. 01:12:05.039 --> 01:12:06.079 Uh that is me. 01:12:06.319 --> 01:12:07.199 A little bit balmy. 01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:08.880 Uh yeah. 01:12:08.960 --> 01:12:13.439 I mean, my the OCD side of me was listening to that running order, going, no, I'm not in that order though. 01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:18.720 But I'm you know, I'm looking at it like proper running order going, no, I wouldn't open with that, I'd close with that, I'd do that there and there. 01:12:18.800 --> 01:12:20.000 But I'm taking it far too seriously. 01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:22.399 What would your opener and your closer be then? 01:12:22.800 --> 01:12:24.960 The opener would be um the rope. 01:12:25.119 --> 01:12:26.239 I'd start with the rope. 01:12:26.319 --> 01:12:38.560 The closer would be the spoon bend as the encore piece, and the uh oh, and then you've either got bottles or the cubes add cubes egg probably in the middle, put a nice big hit in the middle there, and sort of, you know, up and down, up and down. 01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:42.239 But it's all they're all all good, uh uh good stuff. 01:12:42.399 --> 01:12:43.600 But yeah, it's interesting. 01:12:43.680 --> 01:12:48.079 It's been interesting because I I didn't know like I last couple of days I was like, oh, what am I gonna do? 01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:54.720 I made a couple of notes, but I this natural conversation has helped me pack, so I appreciate that. 01:12:56.479 --> 01:13:03.680 There's still stuff I've left out, you know, dancing, hanky, I've left out a big bit of my kids' show, my my drawing board routine, or this and that. 01:13:03.760 --> 01:13:04.800 But I'm I'm overthinking it. 01:13:04.880 --> 01:13:14.720 I I don't know how long I'm on this island for, but I've got enough there to uh to do and have a nice show with, and I've got me me uh I'm still memorizing that deck and learning that as well. 01:13:14.800 --> 01:13:16.399 Uh one four clubs. 01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:19.920 Uh and two too hot. 01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:25.840 I but I can yeah, really, I've got enough time to to to learn the other bits as well with that memorized deck. 01:13:25.920 --> 01:13:27.279 It's it's fun. 01:13:27.520 --> 01:13:28.960 It's I'm looking forward to this trip. 01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:31.039 Three, three is seven of diamonds. 01:13:31.279 --> 01:13:32.239 Do you know how I remember that? 01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:32.720 Go on. 01:13:33.039 --> 01:13:37.840 James Bond, James Bond shooting a tree with seven diamonds coming out of the gun. 01:13:38.239 --> 01:13:39.439 I really there you go. 01:13:39.680 --> 01:13:43.760 So double seven, 007 diamonds, gun. 01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:49.920 Some of them I've got the most bizarre images I cannot repeat on here, but it's it's it's amazing. 01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:51.760 The the brain is incredible actually. 01:13:51.920 --> 01:14:03.600 When when memorizing something, um and and again, using chat GPT to create some images that you can only think of happens in like one minute. 01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:04.720 You get like a picture. 01:14:04.800 --> 01:14:08.560 I've got like 48, right, is the Queen of Spades. 01:14:09.119 --> 01:14:12.800 Now I've think of 48 hours in police custody, right? 01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:17.920 The tape for with 48 hours of police custody, with the Queen digging, right? 01:14:18.159 --> 01:14:20.399 48 hours of police custody out of the ground. 01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:23.840 And I bet you everyone else here now will remember 48. 01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:27.600 And that's that's the beauty of uh learning it properly. 01:14:27.680 --> 01:14:29.920 Is I'm just trying to find it so I can show you. 01:14:30.079 --> 01:14:33.840 I know everyone else should be able to see, but I will it's so random. 01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:35.520 How good is that image? 01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:38.319 I'm I'm sure that's nearly treason. 01:14:38.640 --> 01:14:40.720 Yeah, probably is, especially some of the others. 01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:41.840 I want to show you them. 01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:43.439 Look, that's a good one, right? 01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:44.319 30. 01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:46.159 Do you know you know you know the stat. 01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:47.199 What's number 30? 01:14:47.439 --> 01:14:49.920 That's gonna be the five of clubs, yeah. 01:14:50.079 --> 01:14:51.840 And explain what you're looking at there. 01:14:52.000 --> 01:14:58.000 Uh the Jackson 5 beating a something of 30 miles an hour with big clubs, and that's it. 01:14:58.159 --> 01:14:59.760 And it's it's amazing. 01:15:00.560 --> 01:15:03.520 So, but now I've created a story linking them all together. 01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:06.479 I've got the most random story in my head, so I've got to do that. 01:15:06.560 --> 01:15:08.079 But it's it's been really fun. 01:15:08.159 --> 01:15:17.680 It and it it's you know, a nice sort of tribute to Tanres for me to finally sit down and nail it and and I've got his book there so I can finally learn all the stuff in it. 01:15:17.840 --> 01:15:21.439 But yeah, it's fun, but I've got such random image. 01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:25.439 It's uh it's it and it and it takes over as well. 01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:29.680 Like when I go to sleep, I'm going, I'm going, I can't go to sleep until I've gone for all 52 cards. 01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:33.840 And I'm sitting there like mumbling, going, four o'clock, soon it's like my wife's like, what are you? 01:15:34.079 --> 01:15:35.680 Are you on medication? 01:15:38.399 --> 01:15:40.800 Four diamonds, three subs, six of hearts. 01:15:41.600 --> 01:15:44.159 Do you do it in the voice of uh Michael McIntyre though? 01:15:44.239 --> 01:15:45.439 That's the question. 01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:46.880 No, you know what? 01:15:47.039 --> 01:15:47.920 I

shouldn't do that. 01:15:48.079 --> 01:15:48.720 Absolutely. 01:15:48.880 --> 01:15:57.840 One, four of clubs, two, two of hearts, three, seven of diamonds, four is the three of clubs, and five is the four of hearts. 01:15:58.159 --> 01:15:59.840 Well, I could clap this as Terry. 01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:01.039 That's very good, Michael. 01:16:01.119 --> 01:16:01.359 Yeah. 01:16:01.520 --> 01:16:03.039 But what's number six? 01:16:03.279 --> 01:16:06.319 Six is the six of diamonds, seven is the ace of spades. 01:16:06.479 --> 01:16:08.079 I'm mixing Terry and Biggie there. 01:16:08.159 --> 01:16:08.640 That's weird. 01:16:08.880 --> 01:16:12.800 Now, we've given you eight tricks, but we're only gonna give you one each of these. 01:16:12.960 --> 01:16:16.079 So, Michael and Michael and Terry. 01:16:16.239 --> 01:16:17.680 I want you to yes. 01:16:18.239 --> 01:16:19.840 Well, go on, what'd he say? 01:16:20.079 --> 01:16:22.159 He said he's gonna give us some other options. 01:16:22.640 --> 01:16:23.600 Okay, I got it. 01:16:23.680 --> 01:16:25.680 Yeah, you got it right, just wait there, you two. 01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:27.279 Okay, sorry. 01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:35.199 So I want you to imagine that you're about to dig a big sandy hole on your island, throw something inside never to be seen again. 01:16:35.359 --> 01:16:38.159 What are you gonna banish on your island? 01:16:39.279 --> 01:16:52.399 I think we mentioned it earlier on, but if we could the that that side of the I'm the nastiness of some that that you see in magic sometimes of of the bickering side of it. 01:16:52.479 --> 01:16:56.079 Because I like to try, I literally try and get on with everybody. 01:16:56.239 --> 01:17:03.199 And unfortunately, you see these things happening about uh between magicians, and it it's it leaves a horrible sour taste. 01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:06.000 And I just wish everyone would get on and support each other. 01:17:06.159 --> 01:17:10.079 That's what I would love to put in that hole along with uh the bandana. 01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:14.239 We've we've had that before, we've had that before. 01:17:14.479 --> 01:17:17.039 Yeah, I'm not surprised you hear that bit of music. 01:17:17.279 --> 01:17:34.800 Um yeah, you know, so so yeah, I think I think that that trait that trait Well normally uh we would we would carry on with this, but we spent about five minutes earlier on talking about it, so I'm not gonna go any more on that. 01:17:34.960 --> 01:17:37.680 Listen, and you agree it's a good thing to put in there as well. 01:17:37.920 --> 01:17:39.039 Yeah, a hundred percent. 01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:41.119 I think it should go in there. 01:17:41.359 --> 01:17:45.199 I think you know, hyper-critical magicians is not good. 01:17:45.439 --> 01:17:50.720 I think be uh uh do you know what I think it is, is I think it's magicians aren't self-aware enough. 01:17:50.960 --> 01:18:01.600 I think magicians aren't aware that we think the way that we do, and that maybe we do overthink things and that we do take things a bit too seriously sometimes. 01:18:01.840 --> 01:18:11.680 Um, you know, and w we should just remember that this is about making others happy and allowing other people to enjoy these moments. 01:18:11.840 --> 01:18:14.479 It shouldn't really be about us at any point. 01:18:14.880 --> 01:18:20.479 So that particular show we were on about earlier, it's about the audience, it's not about us as performers. 01:18:20.800 --> 01:18:21.920 Yeah, right, yeah, absolutely. 01:18:22.000 --> 01:18:26.720 And like, you know, if if a magician's doing well with something, just be pleased for them rather than try and knock them down. 01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:29.680 You know, you've everyone's on their own journey. 01:18:29.920 --> 01:18:32.800 Um, there's enough there's enough room for everybody. 01:18:33.520 --> 01:18:37.600 Well, like I say, go back and listen to earlier's chat about that. 01:18:37.680 --> 01:18:38.880 Let's go to your book then. 01:18:39.039 --> 01:18:40.880 What book are you gonna take with you? 01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:43.680 It's a bit of a toss-up between two. 01:18:43.840 --> 01:18:54.000 There's one uh David Berglass' uh Magic and Mentalism, that his his uh book is like I love that book. 01:18:54.079 --> 01:18:56.079 I I didn't have that book for ages. 01:18:56.159 --> 01:19:03.920 I'd sit, you know, I borrowed it off Graham Jolly, and then uh, you know, I used to look at it in the library, and then finally I managed to get my own copy. 01:19:04.000 --> 01:19:12.720 And I spent a lot of time with David Berglass because I used to go to his house and help build his website actually, which uh I recommend davidberglass.com. 01:19:12.880 --> 01:19:26.000 Uh he has got some amazing uh video scrapbooks on there where it's him telling the stories in his own words and uh all this uh photographs to accompany these stories, and he's got some amazing stories. 01:19:26.239 --> 01:19:36.960 He really was incredible, and uh he was a sort of a bit of a myth, David Burglass, when I was younger like you sort of you'd see these bits and hear about the burglas effect and this and that. 01:19:37.039 --> 01:19:45.359 And when I remember meeting him for the first time and then seeing me lecture at the Magic Circle, and he was everything that you wanted that sort of magician to be. 01:19:45.439 --> 01:19:47.760 He always sounded, he's got that amazing voice. 01:19:47.840 --> 01:19:49.840 Now listen, you do this and this and that. 01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:51.680 And it was incredible. 01:19:51.760 --> 01:19:58.319 And to become friends with him, and obviously, you know, Marvin, his son, is now president and he's one of my closest friends in magic. 01:19:58.479 --> 01:20:01.680 Um, you know, uh I'm very very, very lucky. 01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:07.199 Um, so his book is great, and even his latest book as well, actually, that was very good. 01:20:07.359 --> 01:20:16.319 There was a system in there about a roulette system in

there I found fascinating about how to win at roulette all the time. 01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:21.119 There's a mathematical system, and it's quite funny. 01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:27.760 I went, I um it was one bank holiday and I'd studied this system. 01:20:27.920 --> 01:20:34.159 It's a mathematical formula that you do on red or black, and what you would do, and you'd double another bit more, and apparently it worked all the time. 01:20:34.479 --> 01:20:42.000 Well, one bank holiday Monday, it was raining, and uh on the TV, you know, they have the uh live roulette on there where you can place bets. 01:20:42.880 --> 01:20:49.680 Well, after a few beers, I'd uh I've been doing it on the roulette wheel at home, like oh no, it's working, it's working right. 01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:52.399 So my friend's over, I'm like, look at this system, blah, blah, blah. 01:20:52.640 --> 01:20:53.199 I did it. 01:20:53.439 --> 01:20:59.359 And oh my days, I went off the system because you I didn't stick to it. 01:20:59.439 --> 01:21:01.039 I was like, put money down, it'd be coming. 01:21:01.199 --> 01:21:02.239 Oh, it's got to be red now. 01:21:02.399 --> 01:21:03.199 No, it's black. 01:21:03.279 --> 01:21:03.840 Oh, damn. 01:21:04.239 --> 01:21:06.560 We've got to add another£100 plus another£50 or whatever. 01:21:06.640 --> 01:21:10.239 You've got to keep doubling and a bit more to get back what you'd originally lost. 01:21:10.399 --> 01:21:13.600 And it got to a stage where I was putting like a bet down for£500. 01:21:14.319 --> 01:21:18.079 And my mate's just going against the system, going, mate, it's got to be black now. 01:21:18.239 --> 01:21:18.720 It's got to be. 01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:19.439 It was red, red, red. 01:21:19.520 --> 01:21:21.439 I go, yeah, but the system's like, no, it's gotta be. 01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:23.119 All right, black, boom, no, it's red. 01:21:23.199 --> 01:21:24.079 Oh, you idiot. 01:21:24.159 --> 01:21:32.399 So we I I I think I chose to forget this, but I think I lost quite a lot of money uh that day on that bank holiday Monday. 01:21:32.560 --> 01:21:34.479 Uh, so I need to go back and finish that book. 01:21:34.560 --> 01:21:38.079 But I told David, and he went, You obviously didn't stick to the system. 01:21:38.479 --> 01:21:43.119 Oh, damn, you know, but it was uh there is there's some fascinating stories in there. 01:21:43.279 --> 01:21:49.039 So but that but I have read that book back to front, so I'm not gonna take that book, but I did want to give that little shout out. 01:21:49.279 --> 01:21:51.680 I'm gonna take this book here. 01:21:52.880 --> 01:22:01.680 Because, and this is notes from a fellow traveller, Darren Brown, which my wife got signed for me because I couldn't go to the book launch. 01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:08.960 Now, the problem is I've only read about that much of the book because I literally am travelling with this book. 01:22:09.039 --> 01:22:12.479 I took this book to Italy with me three times. 01:22:12.800 --> 01:22:18.319 I've flown to Italy with this heavy book and put it on the side of my bed and not opened it. 01:22:18.640 --> 01:22:21.119 So I think the book itself is the traveller. 01:22:21.439 --> 01:22:23.680 The ironic thing is that this is the book that's travelling. 01:22:23.760 --> 01:22:25.279 It's done so many miles, this book. 01:22:25.359 --> 01:22:33.199 So I need to find time to sit down and absorb this book, pour a large whiskey, sit down and read it. 01:22:33.439 --> 01:22:35.840 But I've got too many distractions going on. 01:22:36.079 --> 01:22:40.960 So I know it's an amazing book because I know Darren's incredible. 01:22:41.840 --> 01:22:46.960 I, you know, I know the sort of content that is in a book, and what I've read already was inspiring. 01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:53.840 So this is the book that I'm finally going to take time, sit down and read and absorb. 01:22:54.720 --> 01:23:04.880 Well, without knowing that you've done this, you've just named our two most selected books throughout the entire podcast since we've been going. 01:23:05.359 --> 01:23:06.000 That's incredible. 01:23:06.159 --> 01:23:07.199 I should win a prize. 01:23:07.279 --> 01:23:11.119 I should definitely get some kind of Alakazan vouchers or something. 01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:14.319 Uh what do you think, Terry? 01:23:14.479 --> 01:23:15.760 I think that's a great idea. 01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:17.119 I think I should get some too. 01:23:17.279 --> 01:23:18.000 All right, you get some. 01:23:18.079 --> 01:23:18.960 Michael, do you want some? 01:23:19.039 --> 01:23:20.159 Yes, I want some too. 01:23:20.239 --> 01:23:24.399 Right, send us some Alakazan vouchers for me, Terry, and Michael McIntyre. 01:23:24.720 --> 01:23:25.680 Well, here's the deal. 01:23:25.840 --> 01:23:30.800 If you can do Pete, then technically we can get you saying on here. 01:23:31.119 --> 01:23:32.560 You know what? 01:23:32.880 --> 01:23:34.720 That's not a bad idea. 01:23:34.800 --> 01:23:36.479 I might have to have a think about that. 01:23:36.720 --> 01:23:37.359 I can't do it. 01:23:37.439 --> 01:23:39.439 That was my that was meant to be Pete and Auddy. 01:23:39.840 --> 01:23:40.399 Do you know what? 01:23:40.560 --> 01:23:41.439 That's not a bad idea. 01:23:41.520 --> 01:23:42.560 I'll have to have a little think. 01:23:43.359 --> 01:23:44.159 Michael, you alright? 01:23:44.319 --> 01:23:44.960 No, sorry. 01:23:45.039 --> 01:23:45.680 I I can't. 01:23:46.319 --> 01:23:53.199 That was more than I'm working on my Andy Nyman. 01:23:53.279 --> 01:23:54.960 Look, I've got the glasses ready. 01:23:55.760 --> 01:23:58.239 We've gone off the rails with this episode. 01:23:58.399 --> 01:24:00.319 Right, let's go to your final thing. 01:24:00.399 --> 01:24:02.319 So this isn't a video. 01:24:03.039 --> 01:24:05.760 A non-magic item that you use for magic. 01:24:06.079 --> 01:24:07.439 My mobile phone. 01:24:07.680 --> 01:24:12.319 Because there's some certain things on

there that I can do that I won't reveal on here. 01:24:12.720 --> 01:24:17.039 But you know, I can do all sorts of magic with my mobile phone. 01:24:17.199 --> 01:24:18.159 Thank you very much. 01:24:18.479 --> 01:24:22.560 I can uh there's so many, so many cool things I can do on there. 01:24:22.640 --> 01:24:23.199 Let me think. 01:24:23.359 --> 01:24:34.000 Um it used to be uh am I allowed to I don't I the one with the calculator where I would take the numbers off and put it on another phone and do them there. 01:24:34.319 --> 01:24:36.239 It's not as good as it used to be, that one now. 01:24:36.399 --> 01:24:41.760 And the annoying thing is that that is something that you I do gigs for people and they're oh do that one with the numbers on the calculator. 01:24:41.920 --> 01:24:44.319 I'm like it's a different one. 01:24:44.720 --> 01:24:49.920 Uh because Apple messed it up and changed to something. 01:24:50.079 --> 01:24:53.119 There was still a way of doing it, but it's a bit of a bit of a bit faff. 01:24:53.279 --> 01:24:54.960 That was my that I used to love that. 01:24:55.039 --> 01:25:02.399 But obviously, there is I can't say there's too much stuff to give away. 01:25:02.560 --> 01:25:05.039 I can perform some of the best mind reading in the world. 01:25:05.199 --> 01:25:05.439 Okay. 01:25:05.760 --> 01:25:07.680 You know, we can go to Wikipedia. 01:25:07.760 --> 01:25:10.479 You can go to Wikipedia, you can get any article on Wikipedia, it's good. 01:25:10.640 --> 01:25:11.760 You could think of a song. 01:25:11.920 --> 01:25:15.600 Now now I feel like I'm just putting money in Mark Kirsten's pocket, so I'm gonna stop. 01:25:17.600 --> 01:25:19.199 Well, I think that's a great one. 01:25:19.279 --> 01:25:22.720 We're gonna send you with your phone uh and a cruise ship full of stuff. 01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:24.399 So we're gonna go over it one more time. 01:25:24.560 --> 01:25:27.359 We had your memorized deck, spoon bending, how's that? 01:25:27.680 --> 01:25:32.960 Tiny plunger, you had your rope, money to lemon, as well as all of Doc Eason's material. 01:25:33.039 --> 01:25:43.119 We've got multiplying bottles, the egg bag, the cubesag, your banishment is negativity and magic, your book is notes from a fellow traveller, and your item is a mobile phone. 01:25:43.359 --> 01:25:46.880 That's a pretty chaotic episode. 01:25:47.119 --> 01:25:49.279 Yeah, I'm very pleased with that list. 01:25:49.359 --> 01:25:50.399 What about Tom Wright? 01:25:50.479 --> 01:25:52.000 Can I put him in just to annoy him? 01:25:52.479 --> 01:25:54.880 I mean, you've taken everything else at this point. 01:25:55.039 --> 01:25:58.800 If you if you want to take if you want to take Tom Wright, you can take him as well. 01:25:59.119 --> 01:26:00.960 Yeah, he's he's my drinking buddy. 01:26:01.039 --> 01:26:03.920 You know, at Blackpool, me and him just go crazy. 01:26:04.079 --> 01:26:10.880 Uh and it's and he yeah, I'll put Tom Wright in because I thought he put me in his just so he could wind me up. 01:26:11.039 --> 01:26:13.680 So I'm gonna put him in just to wind him up even more. 01:26:13.840 --> 01:26:17.039 Tom is the most gullible person ever, he's so easy to wind up. 01:26:17.119 --> 01:26:22.960 Like I go down, I'll say something ridiculous, like, oh, I've just seen you know your face on Sky News. 01:26:23.359 --> 01:26:24.399 And he'll go, What? 01:26:24.640 --> 01:26:28.560 He's like, Oh, it's he's got it straight away. 01:26:28.640 --> 01:26:29.760 He's yeah, he's very gullible. 01:26:29.840 --> 01:26:30.319 It's great. 01:26:30.479 --> 01:26:33.920 So let's put Tom right in because every day will be very entertaining. 01:26:34.159 --> 01:26:38.880 Um, in fact, I've while I've been doing the podcast, I've got a text from him saying, I've got to tell you a funny story that's happened. 01:26:39.039 --> 01:26:42.000 So he's always there's always stuff happening in Tom's life. 01:26:42.159 --> 01:26:43.920 Uh, Tom is a great magician. 01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:46.319 If you haven't seen him, check out his material. 01:26:46.479 --> 01:26:50.319 I know he did your convention and absolutely smashed it out of the park. 01:26:50.560 --> 01:26:55.840 Um, he's he's he is like a sort of Freddy Starr, does magic type character. 01:26:56.079 --> 01:26:59.439 Expect the unexpected, and he's he's brilliant. 01:26:59.600 --> 01:27:01.199 He's he's a good mate of mine. 01:27:01.359 --> 01:27:05.119 Uh I love him to bits, and uh I like to take the piss out of him. 01:27:05.520 --> 01:27:07.119 He is phenomenal. 01:27:07.199 --> 01:27:22.560 Uh at the convention, we recorded the show just for us um to watch, and the Alkazam team watched the show again the day after, and we were in fits of laughter, all of us in uh Pete's living room watching it again. 01:27:22.720 --> 01:27:25.760 You know, he is an absolute treasure. 01:27:25.920 --> 01:27:31.039 I think we should absolutely be so lucky that we have him in our industry. 01:27:31.119 --> 01:27:36.000 He's absolutely brilliant and super lovely, uh, a great thinker as well. 01:27:36.239 --> 01:27:37.920 And yeah, he's absolutely brilliant. 01:27:38.079 --> 01:27:39.199 But he's going with you. 01:27:39.279 --> 01:27:41.199 I do find it interesting though. 01:27:41.439 --> 01:27:43.039 Uh, you have kids, don't you? 01:27:43.279 --> 01:27:44.159 Oh, yeah, yeah. 01:27:44.239 --> 01:27:44.479 Yeah. 01:27:44.720 --> 01:27:46.159 So you've decided to take your wife. 01:27:46.479 --> 01:27:47.119 Should I bought them? 01:27:47.359 --> 01:27:51.920 And Tom Wright, but not your kids, which I think's I think that's interesting. 01:27:52.239 --> 01:27:53.119 Oh, yeah. 01:27:53.279 --> 01:27:53.920 They can. 01:27:55.199 --> 01:27:57.520 Oh man, I hope they don't listen to this now. 01:27:57.600 --> 01:27:59.840 Yes, I've got two lovely daughters, Savannah and Scarlett. 01:28:00.640 --> 01:28:02.479 Um Savannah's now 22. 01:28:02.640 --> 01:28:03.920 Scarlett's 18.

01:28:04.159 --> 01:28:08.319 So they're yeah, they they depends how long I'm going for, you know. 01:28:08.640 --> 01:28:12.560 They they're fed up with me going on holidays where it's magic lady holiday. 01:28:12.640 --> 01:28:15.520 Although they soon like to come with me when it's in places like Sardinia stuff. 01:28:15.840 --> 01:28:17.119 Oh, yeah, we'll come to work with you. 01:28:17.279 --> 01:28:19.359 But they want to come to Birmingham to trade show. 01:28:19.439 --> 01:28:19.920 No, they don't. 01:28:20.079 --> 01:28:20.800 Funny that. 01:28:20.960 --> 01:28:24.800 But yeah, so they yeah, they they can come, they can come as well. 01:28:24.960 --> 01:28:26.079 But yeah, it depends. 01:28:26.159 --> 01:28:29.600 If there's I've I'm seeing this is going to be more like the Blackpool sort of vibe. 01:28:29.840 --> 01:28:32.720 So, you know, I've got loads of magician friends I'd like to bring. 01:28:32.800 --> 01:28:38.800 You know, myself and Tom started this thing called bus trip, which there is no bus by the way, we just call it the bus trip. 01:28:38.880 --> 01:28:40.000 There's never been a bus. 01:28:40.319 --> 01:28:50.880 Um, and it was very much a parody of a retreat that another famous magic company was doing, um, and charging an obscene amount of money for to do. 01:28:51.119 --> 01:28:56.319 So Tom wrote a copy for an alternative version rather than going somewhere exotic. 01:28:56.399 --> 01:28:58.800 You know, he wrote, Come and join us and Skegness. 01:28:59.039 --> 01:29:02.319 We'll be going to CernSo, we'll have fish and chips, we'll do this or that. 01:29:02.479 --> 01:29:03.439 And he put it on Facebook. 01:29:03.680 --> 01:29:05.119 I said, You can post it, it's really funny. 01:29:05.279 --> 01:29:09.119 And he put it on Facebook, and loads of magicians went, Oh, I'd go to this, I'd go. 01:29:09.279 --> 01:29:12.880 So we actually got a load of us and we did it, and we're on our fifth year now. 01:29:13.039 --> 01:29:18.479 We all go to a we go to a locked cabin and we do we do magic, so it is touch-deductible. 01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:22.239 Um, just saying, uh, we do we have a little magic lecture. 01:29:22.479 --> 01:29:23.600 We talk, you know what? 01:29:23.760 --> 01:29:27.199 In all seriousness, it's so good for like our mental health. 01:29:27.359 --> 01:29:31.279 We're all we're all mental, but like just that bond of magicians. 01:29:31.359 --> 01:29:33.920 When you've got a magician friends can be the best in the world. 01:29:34.000 --> 01:29:44.159 We spoke about the opposite side of of how it can be in the magic world, but when you've got a group of friends who share the same passion as you, that's why I love Blackpool so much. 01:29:44.239 --> 01:29:54.960 The highlight for me for Blackpool isn't the shows or the dealers, it's that friendship, the time in the bar in the restaurant where you're talking, and you are in fits of laughter that you can't even breathe. 01:29:55.119 --> 01:29:57.439 You'll only

get that with the closest people to you. 01:29:57.600 --> 01:30:02.479 And uh in magic, we're very lucky that there are some incredible friendships there. 01:30:02.560 --> 01:30:05.039 And I've I'm I'm very, very lucky. 01:30:05.199 --> 01:30:16.399 Having been in magic for so long, I I've got so many incredible friends in Magic, and uh um and we've got this thing in common that we love creating that wonder and uh and having fun. 01:30:16.479 --> 01:30:19.920 And how lucky are we we get to do what we do for living? 01:30:20.159 --> 01:30:22.720 Um amazing people, making them laugh. 01:30:22.800 --> 01:30:24.319 I mean, that's the best job in the world. 01:30:24.560 --> 01:30:27.199 So, you know, that's that's why I'm taking time. 01:30:27.359 --> 01:30:28.880 I'll take all my other mates in as well. 01:30:28.960 --> 01:30:30.319 Everyone on the bus trip can come. 01:30:30.960 --> 01:30:31.840 There you go. 01:30:32.079 --> 01:30:35.439 Well, I think that's a great, a great way to end your episode. 01:30:35.520 --> 01:30:40.479 Now, if people want to find out more about you and everything that you're doing, uh, where can they go? 01:30:40.720 --> 01:30:50.560 Uh well, I mean, uh my uh I guess we're probably friends on Facebook already, but if not, you can message me on Facebook on my website is michaeljfitch.com. 01:30:50.720 --> 01:30:51.359 That's about me. 01:30:51.439 --> 01:30:54.479 That's not the dates that I'm in Gordon Ramsey's uh up there. 01:30:54.640 --> 01:30:59.600 So if you're in London and and what's come to the table and do some magic for you, lovely to see you. 01:30:59.840 --> 01:31:04.399 Um, but uh yeah, you'll see me around obviously at the magic circle at conventions. 01:31:04.560 --> 01:31:06.399 Come and say hello if you listen to the podcast. 01:31:06.479 --> 01:31:08.640 I'd love to love to say hello to you. 01:31:08.720 --> 01:31:14.880 And uh if you're interested in how's that, I'm gonna get some more of them done um uh very soon. 01:31:14.960 --> 01:31:17.920 So you can you can hit me up a direct message as well via my website. 01:31:18.239 --> 01:31:20.319 Well, thank you very much again for your time. 01:31:20.399 --> 01:31:23.279 It's nice to finally have you on here. 01:31:23.920 --> 01:31:24.640 It was fun. 01:31:24.800 --> 01:31:29.600 I'm sorry it's been so long, but it was it was the right time now to do it, and I appreciate it. 01:31:29.760 --> 01:31:30.720 Thank you for asking me. 01:31:30.880 --> 01:31:33.520 And thank uh the other Michael as well. 01:31:33.760 --> 01:31:34.479 One second. 01:31:34.720 --> 01:31:38.960 Uh Michael, yes, yes, oh hello, thank you so much for having us. 01:31:39.119 --> 01:31:39.680 It was amazing. 01:31:39.760 --> 01:31:41.119 I'm gonna go for the big show. 01:31:41.840 --> 01:31:43.920 Well, oh yeah, thanks, Nobe. 01:31:44.079 --> 01:31:44.880 Nice to see you. 01:31:45.039 --> 01:31:45.840 Bye-bye. 01:31:46.079 --> 01:31:47.520 Wibbly wobbly. 01:31:49.359 --> 01:31:52.399 Like I say, this is gonna be so fun to edit, this one. 01:31:52.479 --> 01:31:54.880 Uh thank you guys for listening as well. 01:31:55.039 --> 01:31:56.880 We'll be back next week with another episode. 01:31:56.960 --> 01:31:58.319 But until then, have a great week. 01:31:58.479 --> 01:31:59.359 Goodbye. 01:32:03.920 --> 01:32:08.000 Hi, Peter Nardi here, and I really hope you enjoyed that podcast. 01:32:08.159 --> 01:32:11.279 I just wanted to make you know that Alakazam have their own app. 01:32:11.439 --> 01:32:15.039 You can download it from the App Store or the Google Play Store. 01:32:15.199 --> 01:32:20.159 By downloading the app, it will make your shopping experience even slicker at Alakazam. 01:32:20.239 --> 01:32:25.760 You'll also get exclusive in app offers and in app live streams. 01:32:25.920 --> 01:32:29.840 So go download it now and we'll see you on the next podcast.