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I'm joined as always by my co-host and the producer itself with Robert's words.
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Whatever one is experiencing this colour to the question.
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Well, to be quite honest until very recently, I didn't know what day of the week it was, but I'm uh I'm re-entering the workforce in some ways.
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So I'm doing well this afternoon.
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Thank you.
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Well, I just had the marvelous news that my cleaning ladies are coming back online.
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And uh my cleaning lady has OCD, so I'm really happy.
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I'm not gonna fix our doing therapy on there at all.
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I like the test.
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I like the OCD test.
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Okay, anyway, we um we are so happy to be welcoming back to the program one of our uh very favorite guests of Dr.
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Ferry Taft, and we're gonna get into talking to him in just a bit.
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But uh Wes, uh wanted to give us a little bit of uh a little bit about very far listeners.
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I will do so.
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So you may not be able to see this as well.
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I'll just hold it up for a sec.
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But it's Dr.
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Taft's book called Aliens Above, Ghost Below.
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And I actually need to ask him at some point, hopefully in this interview, about this title.
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I have my ideas about it.
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Anyway, I'm gonna read directly from the back.
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Dr.
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Taft, who holds a doctorate in psychophysiology, I hope I said that right, with a minor in uh biomedical engineering, worked as a research associate at UCLA UCLA's former parapsychology laboratory from 1969 through 1978.
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During his 36-year career, um, which we we know from being booked as now a 40-plus year career, um, Dr.
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Chaff has investigated more than 4,000 cases of ghosts, haunting sculpture guys, and he has conducted extensive studies of telepathy and pre-cognition, which led to the development of the original protocols and methodologies for what was later coined remote viewing, a favorite thing of mine.
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He also was himself investigated as a psychic subject in 1969, the results of which entitled A Laboratory Investigation of Telepathy, the study of the psychic, were published in Behavioral Neuropsychiatry, volume six, numbers one to twelve, April, December 1974 to March 1975.
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And Leslie will fill in the rest of that intro.
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Well, boy, I think that should be a musical behavioral neuropsychiatry, the musical.
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But many of you will be familiar with Dr.
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Very Taft as the principal uh advisor consultant on the very, very uh disturbing and and quite uh boundary uh some of its time called the entity test, the wonderful actors by the first.
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And of course, that was based on a real life investigation that was carried out by Dr.
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Taft and his associates itself.
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With all that being said, um it is my pleasure to welcome back to the program Dr.
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Barry Taft.
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Dr.
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Taft, how are you?
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Oh fine.
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Thank you for having me back, Less.
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It's been a long time.
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I understand that you have even are you still in the Southwest um or have you gone back to the Southwest?
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No, I'm still in the Southwest.
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Okay.
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Well, uh we are very glad you could take the time now to join us and before we uh before we uh begin to make software chatting and we both started with things off with the ask you.
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Uh uh discovery of of all sorts of stand out to you in this time period the past five years of so because so much is going on, and a lot of things have to do with with uh quantum physics and things that you talked about years ago.
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So uh tell me tell me what's really speaking out to you, Dr.
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Taft.
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Well, at this point, after being in the field for half a century, um, some patterns have emerged, some facts through those patterns, which are quite extraordinary.
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And we know enough now where the the the work I'm working model for certain things like poltergeist activity is somewhat beginning to unravel itself, to be explained.
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And it it's a lot more complicated than we ever imagined, and yet at other levels it's much simpler.
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You know, the the the word poltergeist means noisy ghost, noisy spirit.
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The belief of our ancestors was that that's indeed what it was.
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Well, that was a great idea, but it didn't turn out to val prove to be prove provable.
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You could test it.
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The evidence suggests that the phenomenon manifested in such cases is what we call recurrent spontaneous psychokinesis.
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But then again, that was as far as it went.
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And in science, there's two ways to do research.
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One is you conduct controlled studies in a uh you know laboratory setting and hope to call oh hope to prove out your hypothesis.
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Well, a lot of things that occur in parapsychology are not bro cannot be brought into a lab because it just it's the way the phenomenon works.
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You're dependent on hoping to experience it a sufficient number of times where patterns emerge.
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And if you look for longitudinal patterns, that those patterns give us a clue as to what's going on.
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And after fifty years, the patterns are so d discernible, they're so blatant, they're like hitting us over the head.
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And they're somewhat simple.
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Let me put up a metaphor.
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Um, you've got a DVD in your hand, you want to watch it.
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So what do you need?
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Well, you need a DVD player, you need a TV, they've got to be connected, they both have to be plugged in the wall.
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You then have to put the DVD in the player, and then you gotta use the remote to operate it.
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If any part of that ensemble is missing, you get n nothing shows up on the television.
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And the m the reason this model is relevant or significant is that when it comes to this phenomenon of poltergeist activity or hauntings for the most part, they may be the same, they may be different.
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The pattern is this.
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One is sort of location, location, location.
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It seems that these types of things happen in unique geomagnetic or electromagnetic environments in the sense that there's anomalous activity going on, and then then there are people within the environment that happen to have some neurochemical problems.
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The majority, if not all, the people that have recurring poltergeist activity around them, it's linked to them as opposed to a house of them.
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And they tend to be either seizure prone or epileptic, and it's very common that when they start taking medications to quell the seizures, the phenomena follows in suit, uh, which suggests that the same region of the brain that mediates um epilepsy, the seizure activity may be responsible for this phenomenon.
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So that's part of the equation.
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But then there's an there's one more important part.
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We discovered that apparently with all those things, the location and the energy, you need a person who is hypersensitive to these electromagnetic fields.
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And some very few people are, but when they are, it's blatant.
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And then the last part of the qu the equation is what we call inductive resonance coupling, which means that the person in that environment, their nervous system must link up with that environment that's external to their body, and when that happens, voila, things occur.
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Yeah.
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So if all those things are rel are occurring in the right way, things begin to happen.
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Disembodied voices, banging noises, objects being thrown around, aports, um the whole thing.
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And it's so consistent that it's somewhat boring because you know, we go out, we interview the people, and the interview is quite extensive.
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And if the people refer refuse to answer a lot of our questions about their history, their medical history, and what medications are on, and you know, which includes recreational drugs, if they won't answer that, I usually just walk away.
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Yeah.
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Because they think they're hiding something.
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And so it's a very invasive procedure, but without asking questions, you don't get any answers.
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So that's the tip of the iceberg.
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And what's amazing is that the energy, for example, you're you're in a room and a large object, let's say a sofa or a man weighing 200 pounds, it's picked up by nothing visible to the naked eye and thrown across the room.
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And this has happened in more than one of our cases.
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Well, here's the problem that if this is this is based on what we know about the energies in the universe, before this could happen, the energies we know of would produce such heat as a byproduct of this, you know, the second law of thermodynamics, that the person's clothes would burst into flame, everything else in the room would ignite, and you'd you and everything else would be immolated.
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That doesn't happen.
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Wow.
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Which means that we're looking at an endothermic process, which could be the only endothermic process of this nature that exists.
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And it see the it where the energy, like for example, if you're sitting still, that's one thing, when you move, your body uses more energy, produces more heat than when you're sitting still.
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If that energy was used to pick up a heavy object and throw it, you're using 20 times the energy you'd use to sit still.
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So imagine a force that's invisible to the
naked eye picking up and throwing massive objects around.
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And it it's we're looking at a force that if we come to understand it, it changed the course of a human existence.
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Because it does work without heat.
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That doesn't happen in the world we live in.
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So this could tell us a lot about the world we live in, but also change it in a very productive and positive way.
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So do you think, Dr.
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Taft, that this that this fascinating kind of alternative uh force could be could be managed, or do you think also that there are that there are individuals that can um can in fact uh control it psychically through through desire or magic or will?
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Well, first of all, let me explain something.
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There are two types of psychokinesis.
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There's macroscopic, which you call poltergeist activity, where sometimes heavy massive objects are moved around, and it's unc it's random, it's for spontaneous.
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The people aren't making it happen consciously, it just happens.
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Then you have the microscopic type, which is something that you actually try to make happen, affecting a random event generator, affecting a computer, the old schmitt boxes from decades ago that were developed.
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And that is somewhat controllable, but that may not be the same thing seen in the poltergeist cases.
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And again, the the more we learn about this, the stranger it gets.
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I mean I you know, when I first entered the field, I thought, well, this stuff will probably be proven with the it's not what the word implies.
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It's a it's a noisy spirit.
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But fortunately that didn't play out, you know, where the evidence doesn't support that conclusion.
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But again it it um again, if there is a ubiquitous form of energy that exists that we as human beings can access and put to work, albeit unconsciously, it it it sort of behooves us to find out what's going on, how it's going on and why.
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And I think that if this energy could take us to the stars, literally.
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This could be the answer that and everything we know that produces heat produces l produces energy, produces a great deal of heat.
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Yeah.
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Geothermal, hydroelectric, uh nuclear, it's all heat.
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Imagine generating power without heat.
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Do you think uh Dr.
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Taft that um as Leslie I think was hinting at, can people deliberately do this?
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Um the only thing that I've ever read about uh where it's been controlled, somewhat controlled, or as you uh it's it's it's chosen to act on, the um it it's very that's a minute, that's the m microscopic type.
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To my knowledge, there's never been a case where a person was able to basically develop the macroscopic type that make objects fly around.
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It could be that different parts of the brain are responsible and the mechanisms are somewhat different, which I think may be true.
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But see, here's the thing.
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We have tools and technology now that we haven't had before.
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I think if you had people who were having recurrent episodes of poltergeist activity, you put them and had some functional MRIs on them, some um uh PET scans and spec scans, um, you might discover something that's unique about their brain that isn't the same as the average person.
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And these people are f rare f far far and few between.
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It's not like everyone's walking around with the ability to do it.
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It's sort of like, okay, I've raced cars on tracks, road race cars, and y everyone can drive, but few people can race because the hand-eye foot coordination's not there, the stamina is not there, uh all that, the the the ability to f use your body in such a way.
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Or let's say you're you're a hockey player or you're a football player, not everyone could play games, but they couldn't be a professional athlete.
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It could be this is the same thing, but in another let me show it sorry, another thing at you that's similar but not identical.
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Uh like I said, the the in the research to me that was most significant when the lab was up and running at UCLA was the field work where you investigate the hauntings and poltergeists and things like that.
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But the th the the the more quiet phenomena we investigated, the what we call now remote viewing, I called the telepathy precognition lower voice.
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We had a a side development group at UCLA.
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We ran it for what, what, eleven years, something like that, and it worked really well to the point where w you could take most people and you could enhance some inheritability they had to the point where it was demonstrable.
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And it became so reliable and consistent that we ourselves were made, but it also told us something about the nature of this phenomena that really made us question the reality we live in.
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Um what it comes down to is this there's three or four different types of mental phenomena people have spoken of for more than a century, you know, actually since uh uh the the dawn of society for psychical
research in eighteen eighty-two in the UK.
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Um there's telepathy, which means mind-to-mind communication.
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There's clairvoyance, the ability to perceive events at a distance without another mind intervening, supposedly, and then you have precognition, the ability to see the future in it free of logic and inference and deduction.
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And i it's amazing that when we were writing this group, we assumed it was telepathy, but then we discovered that it's a far more than that.
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Let me give you some examples.
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Um there was um the best example that would be okay.
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But it was a a girl that came to to our group was t a wo a woman with another volunteer in the lab, and she uh she didn't know mu too much of what we were doing.
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She was around my age, kind of wild and crazy.
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This is the hippie era, this is the you know, the mid-70s.
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So we didn't know anything about her.
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And uh we told her what to do.
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Think of someone you know real, real well, and then we're gonna, you know, we're gonna rattle off verbal impressions.
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We we record, you then we take the tape, we play, you play it back, and you comment about what's accurate, what's not.
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You know, immediate feedback as to what was going on.
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So we start describing the man, the person, uh a big home with large glass walls, beautiful foliage around the house, just gorgeous.
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And then we see a giant kitchen lined with empty jars of bacon bits.
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What?
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And then we describe some other things and uh and then we saw uh him this man being very viciously beaten and mugged.
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So the session ends, the girl takes the recorder control the record audio audio recorder, and she now this is all done in a sensory-deprived environment.
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You can't see or hear anything.
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You're it's like you all you have is your own mind.
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So she plays the the recording back and uh she said, Yeah, we came up with a fin of strange phonetic version of his name.
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It was close to it, but not act a hundred percent accurate.
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The description of the house was very accurate.
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Um It was really amazing where um uh literally we got to the empty j uh the kitchen lined with empty jars of bacovits.
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Yep.
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That's what there was there.
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And okay, it could have been coincidence.
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The foliage, the large glass walls, yeah, it could have been coincidence.
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Then we get to the part of it being mugged, and she goes, He's never been mugged.
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She was dating this guy with it.
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She knows him pretty well.
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No, he's never been beaten up.
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Oh, okay.
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So the session ends.
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A couple days later, I'm in the lab.
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I'm in up in the lab, and this girl calls in and she says, Remember the session the other day?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Remember what you guys said?
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Yeah, pretty much, so to a point.
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Well, she said that the time, the night you were doing this, the night we were doing this, he was up in San Francisco and he was being viciously beaten and mugged at that time.
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Whoa, but I didn't know that.
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Oh my.
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So, you know, it's it's well, it's it's amazing.
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It's and she said, Well, that would imply that it's that there's it's just it's information that you can access.
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So, and this is where it gets really strange.
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And so that suggests more precognition, no, but clairvoyance.
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We were linking to him, he knew what was going on, we didn't know, and she didn't know.
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Let's go one step further.
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We got to the point where we were bored and tired with what we were doing.
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Uh, you know, we've been there, done that sort of thing.
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So we tried to do our first precognitive session, which was kind of unusual because we were it was the last session of that evening, and we said, try to describe the randomly chosen target of next week.
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And okay.
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So we start describing a tall man, dirt dark, medium brown, darker brown hair, blue eyes, very intense, volatile, um, the whole bit.
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And uh we come up with just some names and eventually we um we saw we saw him this man beating her, relentlessly beating her, and we saw him killing her.
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So the the lights come on, we she takes the control.
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Yeah, the description of him was accurate, and he had a very odd voice.
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Turns out the man was um oh I'm blanking out of the name as we're speaking, um, Albert Salmy, the actor.
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And he was in every Twilight Zones.
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I know who he is volatile as hell.
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Yeah, he
always played a heavy for a year.
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Yeah, yeah, it's my age.
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It would be, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, he he was volatile, he beat her a lot, and and I say, Well, you might want to think about divorcing him.
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No, no, no, he wouldn't kill me.
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Some years later, to the day, he kills her and then kills himself.
00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:30.480
Yeah, yeah.
00:21:31.519 --> 00:21:42.400
And so, no, the question is, um, yeah, it was um you know, what's the source of the information?
00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:45.279
She knew a lot of it, but she didn't know all of it.
00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:50.799
But the one that really knocked it out of the park was that this is one of many sessions.
00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:53.759
We I think I mech I mixed up the stories.
00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:56.640
We did the that the last session wasn't precognition.
00:21:56.799 --> 00:22:03.039
The last session was a normal one, but we had Had to describe a day given to us a week ahead.
00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:05.680
Then we did it again.
00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:28.160
And we describe a tall woman, beautiful, blue-eyed, blonde, professionally dressed like a model, and we saw a giant house in the Hollywood Hills, um, three stories, a baby grand piano, and a man dressed in black, uh, black cape, black mask, black um, black pants, black shirt, black gloves, black hat, uh black cape, and an imposing sword.
00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:30.160
And we thought we were going crazy.
00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:42.880
So the next week, new people are brought into third parties that had not been there the last session, and everyone is given a sealed envelope with a number in it, a piece of paper.
00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:51.680
We then roll dice, tell everyone, open your packet, and whose ever number matches the dice roll will be the subject, the target.
00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:54.079
Okay, this woman goes, Oh, it's me.
00:22:54.559 --> 00:23:02.079
So we told her to take the tape, and if anything's accurate, stop it, give us feedback.
00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:06.720
So the tape's running, we describe her perfectly.
00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:11.759
Her face, her hair, her figure, her height, or the clothing she was wearing, the color.
00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:17.519
And in the room there were something like twenty-four chairs, and each chair had a number under it.
00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:21.680
That wasn't our doing, that was they would get other things in that room as well.
00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:25.839
And um she sat in the one chair we named a week earlier.
00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:27.200
That could have been coincidence.
00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:31.920
The house, the three-story home, yeah, baby grand piano, yeah, could have been coincidence.
00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:41.519
We come to the thing with a man playing uh a tall man all in black with the sword, and the girl stops and she looks at
me and she goes, How do you know who I am?
00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:43.440
I go, What are you talking about?
00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:44.960
How do you know who I am?
00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:46.960
I go, What are you talking about?
00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:48.880
She goes, I'm Tony Williams.
00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:52.559
And I went, and don't you know who I am?
00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:53.119
No.
00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:57.599
My father's Guy Williams, he played Zorro for Disney.
00:23:59.039 --> 00:23:59.599
What?
00:23:59.839 --> 00:24:01.839
Wait, she goes, When did you drink this tape?
00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:02.559
A week ago.
00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:07.519
I didn't know I was coming here until about two hours ago, but you said this a week ago.
00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:09.200
So what does that imply?
00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:12.640
Well, something about the future is already there.
00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:16.480
And it really unnerved her.
00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:20.960
It unnerved some of our regular members of our site training group.
00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:26.559
Um, it makes us wonder is how much of the future, I mean, how much control do we have?
00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:31.920
How could we describe an event that had not happened for a week?
00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:39.039
Was going to for a we and describe the woman, describe her clothes, describe the house, and describe Zorro without using the name Zorro.
00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:41.680
Astronomical probability, if it we're guessing.
00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:43.200
So what does it mean?
00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:50.880
I do think there is a lot of communication, spirit communication, it's carried out in symbols.
00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:51.440
Right?
00:25:57.200 --> 00:25:59.039
Some people are better at it than others.
00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:04.640
Or more accurate, or are able to roll in on the timeline that's activated.
00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:06.640
Correct.
00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:16.880
But see, but what it but what it boils down to in terms of parapsychology is the information occurs in in the present from another mind, we call that telepathy.
00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:19.680
Again, if it occurs for the future, it's precognition.
00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:21.759
For the past, it's retrocognition.
00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:32.480
And if it depends on where the information appears to come from, will determine the the description and causation of the perception.
00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:41.440
And here's the thing that there when it comes to time, with space and time and this phenomena, it's like a giant hologram.
00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:52.720
In normal photography, if you have a eight by ten photograph of somebody, you if you cut it in half or quarters or eighths or sixteenths, you get smaller and smaller pieces of the whole.
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:58.880
The hologram, if you cut it up, each piece will recreate the whole, but it's of lower resolution.
00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:15.759
The only model of the parent that deals with this terms of the parental, the only model is basically a holonomic one, which suggests that the past information still exists and the futures information already exists.
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:19.920
Not the events, the information related to the events.
00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:22.799
What we're accessing is information.
00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:34.960
And it it just it gets you know, we we we were so successful on that first voyage in terms of their pre-cogist, we got bored with the real time stuff.
00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:39.119
Um we tried it again weeks later.
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:41.839
And we go, Well, how weird will this be?
00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:44.480
So we're just all we doing.
00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:47.519
We kept seeing fire, fire, fire, fire.
00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:48.720
We're losing our minds.
00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:50.160
Why are we all seeing fire?
00:27:50.559 --> 00:28:04.559
Okay, I'm up in the lab the next day and I see fire engine coming to the neuropsychiatric institute where our lab was located, and I go down and the co the room, the conference room, it was a controlled environment.
00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:06.880
Um that we used.
00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:11.279
Apparently there was an outlet uh socket behind one of the drapes.
00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:14.960
It shorted, it sparked, and it caught the drapes on fire.
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:21.519
So that room was on fire hours l after we made the the we described the event.
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:25.119
No wonder why it was kept seeing fire, it was imminent.
00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:31.759
And this this is No, there's a great it was a 1960.
00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:38.720
Um the the original movie The Time Machine where George, his lead character, says, Can man control his destiny?
00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:40.640
Can he change the shape of things to come?
00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:47.039
And uh you know, uh let me other quick one quick story.
00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:56.480
Nineteen seventy, I met a girl, well, it that's my last year of college before I went to graduate school, and named Sharon, beautiful blue-eyed blonde.
00:28:56.640 --> 00:28:58.559
We started dating, everything was great.
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:06.160
She lived in San Fernando Valley, I lived in West LA, and uh then the dreams began, and the dreams are always the same.
00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:11.119
I'm in the backseat of a car, I saw Sharon very clearly in the passenger seat.
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:17.839
I couldn't see the driver, I just saw that he had dark hair, which doesn't mean a lot, and I couldn't see the dashboard of the car.
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:32.880
The car turns into cul-de-sac going to Sharon's home in the San Fernando Valley, and a much larger car comes flying at us and hits us, and there's explosion, there's glas glass, there's fire, it's horrible.
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:35.039
And I go, This isn't good.
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:38.720
So I kept having a dream, and I said, Well, I better tell
Sharon about this.
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:42.880
So I told her about it, and I said, I I think it's good that we stopped dating.
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:45.599
I don't think it's a good she goes, What kind of crap are you throwing at me?
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:51.759
I go, Look, I'm our if we're it's not worth our relationship if we're dead.
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:55.680
She goes, You're lot you're making this up because you want to drive all the way out here.
00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:59.279
Hey, I had a great car, gas is 25 cents a gallon.
00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:00.079
Who cares?
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:05.039
You know, I mean, I had a Z28 Camero was like driving a road racing car.
00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:05.440
Oh, yeah.
00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:07.279
There was her little traffic.
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:08.960
I enjoyed going there.
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:10.000
It was fun.
00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:13.119
And I said, I'm not gonna risk our lives, it's not worth it.
00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:16.079
So we stopped dating.
00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:17.440
Uh uh because she wanted to.
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:22.079
And I I I really didn't blame her because I might have done the same thing if she threw it at me.
00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:23.599
I think I would have.
00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:25.920
And um, so we stopped.
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:31.359
So sometime later, I don't know, we months later, she started dating some other guy.
00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:40.400
And they're going to her house into the c into the cul-de-sac where she lived, and wham, another car hits the car.
00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:44.000
She's in the d her boyfriend, the driver, was killed instantly.
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:50.160
She was badly injured, and she's had to deal with you know, a doctor's thing for care for a long time.
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:54.559
Now, did I prevent the ac my dying?
00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:58.240
Or did I my ego put me in the driver's seat?
00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:00.079
Uh I'll never know.
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:11.119
Well the the only I mean, one of the things I thought of was inviting her to come stay with me in Los Angeles rather than staying in the San Fernando Valley, which would have prevented it.
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:14.240
But she would have went, What, you want me to what?
00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:20.240
You know, and then her mother said to me, you know, they had a big house.
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:22.160
Why don't you come just sit live with us?
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:23.519
I go, live with you.
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:24.640
Where am I gonna sleep?
00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:25.839
Oh, sharing room.
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:26.640
I'm going, what?
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:29.519
So anyway, though, it just didn't happen.
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:31.200
And this was a long time ago.
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:32.880
This is 40 years ago.
00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:37.039
So i did I ch did I change the future?
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:40.640
Um one last dream that's notable.
00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:46.559
Um on a case I was working on in 1977 in LA.
00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:56.559
I went out well, I talked to the lady on the phone about what's going on, strange noises, things moving around on their own, uh ports, things like that.
00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:13.039
So go out there it was Valentine's Day, and uh we go out there, my colleague and I walked in and for the first time in my life I was still I was so overwhelmed by a woman's physical beauty that I couldn't react.
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:16.160
I was like, what?
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:27.680
I couldn't um I couldn't imagine this girl was so beautiful that I it was like a a young Liz Taylor and Joan Collins fused into one body.
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:31.039
Just so we started talking and the whole bit.
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:32.880
We started dating and everything was great.
00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:34.400
I mean it was a perfect relationship.
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:40.720
She lived uh she had that time she moved into her mother's uh condo in the Hollywood Hills.
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:43.039
She was my age, at least she said she was.
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:45.680
Everything was great, but then came the dreams.
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:47.839
And the dreams were always the same.
00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:53.039
All I knew was that it was July twenty second and the relationship ended.
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:54.160
I didn't know why.
00:32:54.400 --> 00:33:01.359
And I didn't want to tell her because if I told her she might misinterpret it as the fact that I wanted out of the relationship, which I did not want.
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:06.000
So the weeks go by, our relationship's perfect every way.
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:12.559
I mean, she participated in off-site training groups, she went out in some cases with us, and uh it was perfect.
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:16.640
Uh it was kind of like a dream come true for both of us.
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:18.400
So the dreams continued.
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:27.599
So on July twenty-second, we wake up together, I wake up and she's under the covers, and she's won't come out, and she's crying.
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:28.799
Why didn't you help me?
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:29.759
I said, with what?
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:30.799
When the room let out.
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:32.079
I go, and when the what?
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:33.279
When the room let out.
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:35.200
What do you mean when the room let up?
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:36.240
When the room let out?
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:37.440
I go, What room?
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:39.279
She goes, This room's our bedroom.
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:40.880
Huh?
00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:43.920
She said something paralyzed her.
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:47.279
She felt herself being lifted off the bed.
00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:49.759
She felt herself moving laterally or horizontally.
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:56.480
She found herself in raw metal room on a pedestal like table metal, either
brush stainless or aluminum or whatever.
00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:57.599
And it was cold.
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:03.440
She was strained at her neck, her abdomen, her wrists, and her ankles very tightly.
00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:06.000
And there's little guy eyes around her.
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:13.280
We call like greys, we call them now, big heads, big black eyes, no nose, no ears, you know, split for a mouth.
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:14.079
They were cutting.
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:16.639
Their skin was very reptilian-like.
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:23.920
And uh I so she's they're cutting her, she's telling me, and they're putting things in her body and they're hurting her.
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:26.880
And I so I said to her, she's still under the covers, mind you.
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:29.920
I said to her, um, do you know anything about UFO abduction?
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:32.480
She goes, What would UFO what?
00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:34.400
She had no interest in UFO.
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:36.079
I thought it was a lot of garbage.
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:42.000
Um, because we had discussed it once and she said, you know, oh Bob, I'm not interested.
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:42.559
Okay.
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:54.400
So she f I finally coaxed her out from under the covers, and she's got bruises around her neck, around her abdomen, around her waist around her ankles, and around her wrists.
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:58.480
As if she was held too tightly too long by something, the restraint.
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:04.639
She's bleeding from her nose, bleeding from her ear, bleeding from her rectum, bleeding from her uterus, but she wasn't menstruating.
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:09.519
And she had little chunks of skin taken out of her back like by a melon baller.
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:12.880
And uh she had a complete breakdown.
00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:14.960
And uh now it was interesting.
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:22.639
One of the neighbors who didn't know anything about this, it was a day later, said, Um, Did you see that thing over here the other night?
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:23.519
And what?
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:29.920
There was this thing glowing, it was huge, it was hovering over this area, and our power went out, which it did.
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.000
The power went out for a couple hours.
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:35.039
I said, No, we were inside.
00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:37.840
So, you know, can I prove it happened?
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:39.199
Can I prove okay?
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:41.599
Yes, what I described happened.
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:42.960
Was it an abduction?
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:44.079
Uh I don't know.
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:48.000
Now, you know, and then at one point she said, Why didn't they take you?
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:50.239
And I said, I wouldn't take me.
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:57.840
And uh, as a joke, I would have said to her, I would drive them crazy.
00:35:58.000 --> 00:35:59.119
I want to know two things.
00:35:59.280
--> 00:36:10.880
I want to know what your power source is, I want to know how you what the propulsion system is, what's your avionics, blah, blah, you know, power conversion, how do you propel yourself without using aerodynamics to do so, blah, blah, blah.
00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:12.480
And so I didn't help her.
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:15.760
So she sort of came apart at the seams.
00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:21.119
Um, psychiatrists in those days just assumed you were psychotic if you'd made such claims.
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:21.519
Yeah.
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:23.119
As did psychologists.
00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:28.639
And so had that not occurred, whatever it was, we would have been married in less than a year.
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:29.760
But it did occur.
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:31.599
We I can't change the past.
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:45.840
So uh it's uh it seems that whatever UFOs are, I am and I only suggest the majority are not our UFOs, they're some other another technology far born rather than ours.
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:51.519
They give they use forces that we may call paranormal the way we use electromagnetism.
00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:51.840
Yes.
00:36:52.159 --> 00:37:12.480
Um what's interesting, in the long history of ufology since World War II, maybe even before that, in the early late 30s, early 40s, there has never been an instance of a UFO creating a s producing a sonic boom, yet they've been tracked in at hypersonic speeds for a long time.
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:16.159
But so that means they're not flying aerodynamically.
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:22.000
Well, we don't know how to not fly aerodynamically, they're using another method of propulsion.
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:35.840
Um it's and I have a strange feeling that down deep somewhere that there's a faction of our government and probably others that know a lot more than we'll ever know.
00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:38.079
And they're not going to release the data.
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:54.480
And to be honest with you, from what I've seen, how people react to things they don't like and they don't understand, it may be better that this information is not disclosed, because you know, some people, like maybe myself or you guys, might take this in and go, wow, that's amazing, it's fascinating.
00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:58.000
Other people might react in a very negative way.
00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:14.960
And if if we're already in a crazy world where people commit terrible crimes against each other for no reason, and they go to war because they have a different rel theological you know beliefs, and we want to add another level of insanity to that.
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:26.480
You don't tell a war-weary world, hey, look, you know, we were we weren't made in God's image, some other race of beings created us for a purpose we don't yet understand.
00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:30.719
Well then, okay, well, if someone else created it, then who was God to them?
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:32.480
Who was God to
them?
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:43.199
And um in in our culture, um, you know, we we live in a sense without domestic tranquility, Western civilizations cannot exist.
00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:47.519
And one if we disclose such things to the population.
00:38:47.760 --> 00:39:00.000
Oh yeah, you've had contact with these different beings, and we've trade they've we've let them abduct people, and we they've given his toys to play with, which we can't really control that well, it wouldn't go over real well.
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:06.800
It would be one of the most uh socially disruptive bits of information ever given to the human race.
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:19.760
And uh as we approach the holidays, Christmas and Easter, you start talking about the fact that what we think about religion is about God is wrong, it wouldn't go over real well.
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:21.920
So, you know, that's a problem.
00:39:22.559 --> 00:40:21.119
Well it it it is a problem, but you know, that being said, I I think all we have to do is just look at what's going on in popular media, you know, if they were five seconds, you know, well, five steps, I think we have the same stuff.
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:22.000
I don't know.
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:24.639
I think things are what do you think about that?
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:31.599
I I think we are in a in a different, hugely enlightened era.
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:32.880
And what Dr.
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:40.559
Tuff was saying before, which as you know was the interest remote doing, um it sounds to me like Dr.
00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:44.639
Tuff, you're accessing the signal line, as they call it.
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:59.199
And I don't know if you you were following Ingle Swan's uh formula or David Morehouse's or someone else, but um I would agree that we all now have access to all information in space-time.
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:01.920
We just need to enable it within ourselves.
00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:24.559
I think you know what's interesting, what what's interesting about this in particular is that um the concept called implicate order, which in parts which in parts suggests that um well that there's a we're able to access information remotely from ourselves, but it goes beyond that.
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:30.159
There's evidence now that long-term memories do not reside in our brain.
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:30.400
Right.
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:33.679
The theory is they reside in an external power field.
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:48.400
That means if we're the way we access our information on a day-to-day moment-to-moment basis, from the day we're born to the day we die, if it's a remote process for accessing information in order to function, well, it means that the paranormal is not paranormal.
00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:50.480
This is the way we're designed to function.
00:41:50.960 --> 00:42:00.400
And it's a question of coming to accept this, and again, it's it challenges the worldview, the our perspective on reality.
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:05.679
And people are reluctant to change because they don't understand it.
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:10.320
And again, how what's the how many degrees of freedom do we have?
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:12.400
Is it all a bunch of random chaos?
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:23.440
We just stumble through reality, you know, and I I just I just have this as my book discussed on my website, BarryTaf.net.net, discusses.
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:36.159
I have a strong feeling that in the in the distant future, when all this is understood, we come to grips with it, we're not gonna like what it tells us because it's gonna tell us of a reality that we're totally unfamiliar with.
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:42.639
And it's like um it'd be like taking a car back 10,000 years ago in time.
00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:44.239
People would freak out.
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:46.320
Well, what why is it making all the noise?
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:47.360
Why is it moving?
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:49.599
It's not an animal, it's really hard.
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:53.920
It's it's very complicated.
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:56.800
And the bottom line with all of this, go ahead.
00:42:57.199 --> 00:42:58.000
Oh, I'm sorry.
00:42:58.079 --> 00:42:59.280
I'm sorry to interrupt you.
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:05.760
The uh would you agree then, the non-locality of consciousness, non-local consciousness?
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:12.159
Yeah, I mean, the idea would be that everything is everywhere.
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:17.119
That the in all space, there's the information of all time in all space.
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:30.320
So whether you're in your car or you're sleeping in your bed or watching TV at home, or you're on a plane at 40,000 feet, again, information about space-time is equally distributed.
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:35.840
The same way, the only theory or model of the of the brain, which is Carl Freebrum, Dr.
00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:40.079
Carl Freebrum was the first to discuss hologram neuro holography.
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:52.000
The only theory of the brain and consciousness that seems to play out in a valid way regarding the paranormal is that information is equally distributed through space-time, just like it is in a hologram.
00:43:52.320 --> 00:44:00.639
So, again, if you want to see something from 5,000 years ago, you want to see something from 5,000 years in the future, theoretically you Could do it.
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:06.079
We can prove in some part the thing of the past because we can objectively verify that.
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:13.599
But the future is more difficult because unless we ourselves can't verify it objectively, it doesn't mean it's true.
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:16.159
So, you know, there are problems with that.
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:25.760
Um the day that JFK was inaugurated, I told my parents he would die in office on Thanksgiving of '63, and they went, What?
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:28.079
I said, Well, it's not he's gonna die of illness.
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:30.559
I said, No, I think it's gonna be a lot worse than that.
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:33.280
And they went, Uh oh, okay, you're crazy.
00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:37.679
And then you're a couple years later, when it happened, they went, they didn't talk to me for weeks.
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:56.079
And so, um it it's people have an odd response to some elements of the paranormal and uh like I said in my w there's an article on my website called A Different Kind of Psychic Being a Medical Intuitive.
00:44:56.320 --> 00:44:59.440
And I've been a medical intuitive since I was a kid.
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:01.440
And it's interesting.
00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:04.400
It's like, okay, why not my friends and family?
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:07.039
Why don't they have these experiences?
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:17.599
And it's I'm telling you, it's cost me a lot of friends over the years where it's fun and games and then when it gets real serious, they back away 'cause they're frightened of you.
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:19.360
Or they think you're crazy.
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:23.440
And um, you know, it's um an example.
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:26.320
I met a girl online six years ago.
00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:27.679
Never met her in person.
00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:29.280
Very, very attractive girl.
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:31.599
She looks very much like a young John Collins.
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:33.760
Another of my stereotypes.
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:39.760
So I met we we talked and I am looking at her pictures online and she's so beautiful.
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:45.440
I said, Look, I have to be honest with you, I'm looking at your pictures and you don't look healthy, you look sickly.
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:46.719
She goes, What?
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:48.960
How do you know I'm I said, What do you admit it?
00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:53.199
She was born a blue baby and she's been sick of one thing or another her entire life.
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:56.559
And um, how can you tell from looking at a picture?
00:45:56.639 --> 00:46:01.519
I don't know, I'm looking at your picture and I'm feeling you feel sick.
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:06.000
So the last time I actually spoke to her was about a year ago.
00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:10.719
And uh we had we covered a lot of things of information.
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:16.960
But one of the things I was emphatic about, I said, Look, you gotta go to see um mammograms done.
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:17.840
Why just do it?
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:19.440
You gotta go see an oncologist.
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:20.079
Just do it.
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:21.119
And she didn't.
00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:25.599
And then just was it last l yeah, earlier this week?
00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:30.239
Yeah, she found lumps in her breast, and she had to go to see an oncologist.
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:34.880
They found something, whatever they haven't done an autopsy a biopsy yet, but they probably will.
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:39.440
And I said, remember I talked to you about this like, you know, like last year?
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:40.400
She goes, No.
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:45.519
And then 1973, I was dating a girl I met in the lab.
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:48.480
Uh looks like a young short Shirley McLean.
00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:49.920
We get along real well.
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:57.599
And then we were talking once, or on our couch talking, and um No, no, we were eating, that's right, eating.
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:03.760
And she's sitting across from me, and I said, You gotta I said, I pointed to her to her left breast area, you got a tumor there.
00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:04.480
She goes, What?
00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:04.880
Huh?
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:05.679
You got a what?
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:06.559
A tumor.
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:08.239
How can you see it?
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:12.880
Well, it's it's it's inside you, and you better go check it out.
00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:13.360
What?
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:14.159
Huh?
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:16.400
I said, Look, don't worry, it's benign.
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:17.519
How do you know it's benign?
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:19.119
I said, There's no calcium around.
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:21.280
What are you talking about?
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:22.480
Okay.
00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:26.800
So she finished her degree at UCLA, she got a job very quickly.
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:30.079
She had to have a medical checkup for insurance purposes.
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:32.320
They found uh lump.
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:33.840
They found a tumor.
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:36.960
They get a biopsy, it was benign, they took it anyway.
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:38.400
She goes, I can't be around you.
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:38.719
Why?
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:43.039
She goes, I I feel like a piece of glass around you, and I'd have no privacy.
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:44.000
But it helps you.
00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:46.079
She goes, I don't want that kind of help.
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:54.880
And you know, um but the thing that really ended it was we went to see the exorcist, the opening night.
00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:57.760
That's a good romance film.
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:00.320
That's a d that's a deep night collection.
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:03.440
Well no, well no, she wanted to see it as much as I did.
00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:03.840
Okay.
00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:05.360
She didn't know that much about it.
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:06.239
Oh, okay.
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:12.239
The film starts and it's during the first act, we see a young Linda Blair is being bounced around on the bed.
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:20.960
And I turned it, I suddenly I heard I I turned to Carol and I said, the girl, my girlfriend, I said, I've seen a bed do that in a house in Hollywood.
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:22.000
And she, what?
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:26.480
And so in the front of the theater, a voice comes out, hey Barry, is that you?
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:32.480
And
Carol didn't sleep.
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:34.639
I said, first of all, Carol, it's a movie.
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:48.719
It's based not on a novel, not based on a don't worry about, but but she got trouble sleeping, and and you know, uh, and and so, but it you see, it's it's sort of like I live in a different reality than most people.
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:51.280
My reality is a paranormal one.
00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:53.760
Most people, you know, they have they get a lot.
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:59.760
You grow up, you go to school, get an education, you get a job, you get married, you have kids, and you die.
00:48:59.920 --> 00:49:01.119
That's reality.
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:03.280
Well, not in my world.
00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:04.639
No, no.
00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:11.280
I grew up and went to school, never got a normal job, never got married, never had any children.
00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:19.280
But I had a lot of time to think about things and do work, research, rather than be consumed with normality.
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:21.840
And that was your and that was your past.
00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:31.360
And I believe that we have a we have a kind of a selection process and we have a lot of responsibility for like the major points that that happen in their lives.
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:36.239
But one thing I would just a little quick thing I'd say about your your medical intuitive.
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:49.599
From a metaphysical standpoint, I would say that you had spent a lot of lifetime as a doctor and practitioner, probably back even far uh in the in the stance of time.
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:57.679
And I think that there are actually a lot of doctors or healers that are medical intuitives, but they don't express it that way.
00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:06.639
But but you definitely you definitely have that gift, and I think it comes from just someone who has done that and who has used those tools that way.
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:11.679
And that happened in other sophisticated cultures in our deep past.
00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:30.159
Yeah, I mean, um another incident, I it's see it's it's wh sometimes I see what's wrong with someone, I can look in them, and other times I could just be sitting next to a stranger, and I'm feeling sick, and I ask them, and they say, How did you know?
00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:36.719
Um, I was in a movie theater about 10 years ago, 12 years ago, Century City, near where I lived.
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:44.079
And I sit down next to some guy, my friend's to my left, this guy's to my right, stranger to my right, and suddenly my kidneys were killing me.
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:46.480
And I said, Boy, what did my kidneys suddenly hurt?
00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:50.079
And the guy on my right says, That's odd, I've been having a problem with my kidneys all week.
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:52.480
Okay, so I moved to another seat.
00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:52.639
Yeah.
00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:54.800
When the dark night came out.
00:50:55.039 --> 00:50:56.800
Yeah, when the dark night came out.
00:50:57.039 --> 00:50:57.440
Yeah.
00:50:57.599 --> 00:50:57.920
Yeah.
00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:01.760
When when the dark night came out, went to see it in the theater with an old friend.
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:03.199
We drove separately.
00:51:03.519 --> 00:51:05.119
So the movie starts.
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:06.159
I hadn't seen this girl.
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:08.559
I knew her from UCLA a long time ago.
00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:12.800
And uh suddenly my bladder starts spasming, burning.
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:15.199
I go, oh, what's what is oh my god.
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:17.199
She then got a call from her daughter.
00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:18.159
She had to leave.
00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:19.920
So it was nothing I could help her with.
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:20.800
So she left.
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:21.920
And I stayed.
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:22.719
I watched the movie.
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:24.400
The minute she left, I was fine.
00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:30.159
I found out the next day that she was suffering from a really bad bladder infection.
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:30.719
Oh.
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:34.320
I'm sorry you had to sick yourself.
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:37.440
Sorry you had to feel that, Barry.
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:38.320
I was so sorry.
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:43.840
But I mean, it but I mean, it's I an old girlfriend showed up.
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:48.400
This is 1999, out of the blue, hadn't seen her in a long time.
00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:55.199
So it was warm outside, she was wearing a halter top, and I was talking to her, and I said, What's over your chest?
00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:56.079
She goes, What?
00:51:56.239 --> 00:52:00.639
I said, It it looks like a like an octopus or a squid.
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:01.519
What are you talking about?
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:03.360
I said, Oh, it's not on you, it's in you.
00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:05.119
You better go see an oncologist.
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:07.360
Well, you've got your breasts are riddled with tumors.
00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:07.920
Yep.
00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:09.039
They were.
00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:13.599
She had to have a bilateral uh uh uh double ansectomy.
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:16.400
So I didn't know it was there.
00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:23.840
Um again, it's this is as normal for me as it is to breathe.
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:31.440
But the one of the last doctors I had in LA uh before I left, so he's taking my pulse and blood pressure or whatever.
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:37.280
He gets near me, and the first thing I said, I said, You drive a black Lexus SC430.
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:38.800
How did you know that?
00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:40.960
Well, you're standing right next to it.
00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:44.719
And then he I said, You've got lumbar problems, right?
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:46.800
Some upper respiratory distress.
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:48.079
How could you know that?
00:52:48.239 -->
00:52:53.519
And he just ran out of the room and told another doctor to come in and finish the examination.
00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:57.840
Um I hate to tell you that guy here, Dr.
00:52:58.000 --> 00:52:58.239
Taff.
00:52:58.480 --> 00:52:59.199
We've got to wrap it.
00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:00.320
Uh five minutes.
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:00.960
Okay.
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:01.599
Okay.
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:05.920
Well, I just uh I had a question, just one little question for you, Dr.
00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:06.320
Taff.
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:24.800
Again, just going back to uh the nature of poltergeist activity, which is something that fascinates me particularly since you were that you were really the first one to suggest that it was a non-localized energy field of some sort and being having all of these kinds of different technologies in place for the phenomena to occur.
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:50.719
Did you find that adolescents or teens or premenstrual girls is there a higher incidence of this kind of I don't know if I could call it psychokinetic, uh, but what the aspect of poltergeist activity that is generated by a human physical body, if in fact that's the way it works.
00:53:51.599 --> 00:54:09.280
It's been known for a long time from the early onset of this research that the pri the the most common recipients or experiencers of this type of phenomena were uh adolescent child pubescent adolescent children going through these changes because hormonal shifts in their body.
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:12.960
But see, that was a very crude generic description.
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:18.559
What it also is people who have very bad ability to deal with stress.
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:21.360
So there's many ways to produce the the event.
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:23.920
It's like there's many things that could produce heat.
00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:36.320
Light will produce heat, sound can produce heat, fire could produce heat, friction can produce heat, chemicals can produce heat, um, but they all the heat is end result, but all these different methods produce heat.
00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:47.599
The same thing here, but it seems the commonality is the the uh I guess susceptibility to uh electromagnetic field.
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:55.440
And also and also the like I said, the the the the very likely probabil high probability of field being seizure prone or epileptic.
00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:59.039
You can be so subtle if you have focal seizure, certain parts of your body.
00:54:59.280 --> 00:54:59.440
Yeah.
00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:05.760
And if we had more time, I could feel you when is when I moved out of LA and came out here in no man's land.
00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:06.159
Yeah.
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:09.360
Incredible things going on at both houses I've been in.
00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:10.400
Oh my goodness.
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:11.199
Amazing.
00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:12.480
Well, we would love to.
00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:19.440
I mean, if you could come back and see us in June in a couple months, we would adore that Barry and we can talk some more about that phenomena.
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:31.920
And I'd also like to discuss your feelings about telepathic, uh human-incited telepathic communication with EPs, all uh the kinds of things that Stephen Greer are are uh exploring right now.
00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:33.679
So we'll get to that next time.
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:36.400
I uh I I would that's one thing I won't discuss.
00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:38.000
I didn't do with Stephen Greer out of one.
00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:38.719
Oh, okay.
00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:40.400
Well it's good that I know that now.
00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:43.599
Okay, we're not alone, by the way.
00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:45.519
Um anyway, uh Dr.
00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:47.440
Berry Calf, we just want to thank you.
00:55:47.519 --> 00:56:01.039
It is so good to hear from you and to know you're doing well and you're and you're safe and you're hanging in there, and uh we look forward to our next opportunity to chat and uh take things take things right out again.
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:04.400
Okay, sounds good.
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:05.679
Thank you so much.
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:08.000
We're gonna we're gonna give it a lot of my pleasure.
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:11.440
And uh great questions.
00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:12.320
Thank you so much.
00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:13.280
Thank you.
00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:14.239
Talking to you soon.
00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:15.599
Okay, bye-bye now.
00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:16.639
Thank you, thank you.
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:17.440
Bye bye.
00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:18.320
Bye-bye.
00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:18.880
Bye.
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