התמלול המלא של Issue 667: No More Daredevil? & Lanterns Ep. 6 "Bad Optics" Spoiler Review

quote, The decision comes about 72 00:04:34.180 --> 00:04:37.699 two months after the Marvel Studios show's third season wrapped filming. 73 00:04:38.100 --> 00:04:41.209 The move also comes as Marvel has quietly parted ways 74 00:04:41.269 --> 00:04:44.680 with showrunner Dario Scardapan whose contract was up and was 75 00:04:44.740 --> 00:04:48.040 not renewed. The parting of ways is eyebrow-raising as it 76 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:51.019 means that Scardapan is exiting the show in the middle 77 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:53.899 of post-production. It is unclear who will see the show 78 00:04:53.939 --> 00:04:59.060 through completion. One source said post-production is in final stages. Marvel, 79 00:04:59.100 --> 00:05:02.230 of course, had no comment at this time. But yeah, 80 00:05:02.550 --> 00:05:06.610 we're getting no more Daredevil after 2027, John. 81 00:05:07.110 --> 00:05:12.199 So I took that as a sign that they're, gonna 82 00:05:12.379 --> 00:05:15.420 be using some of these characters on the big screen 83 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:17.680 and i don't i'm just kind of you know maybe 84 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:21.100 reading the tea leaves a little bit uh but it 85 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:25.160 felt like an announcement that was going to maybe lead 86 00:05:25.180 --> 00:05:27.600 to something else down the line i'm not maybe i'm 87 00:05:27.790 --> 00:05:31.750 just like more optimistic than anything else or it could 88 00:05:31.790 --> 00:05:34.829 mean that he could possibly you know pop up in 89 00:05:34.889 --> 00:05:38.949 other television shows in the future as well so i 90 00:05:39.209 --> 00:05:40.709 i didn't look at it as a doom and gloom 91 00:05:40.810 --> 00:05:44.949 it's uh you know obviously not the the best of 92 00:05:45.050 --> 00:05:47.930 news if you're a big daredevil tv show fan but 93 00:05:48.170 --> 00:05:53.290 i i i i see good things on the horizon 94 00:05:53.389 --> 00:05:56.610 for um charlie cox. 95 00:05:58.100 --> 00:05:59.759 Yeah that's that is a good point and a good 96 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:01.620 way to look at it you're in the glass half 97 00:06:01.639 --> 00:06:04.040 full i'm in the glass half empty just because i 98 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:07.990 don't I don't know what this means for Marvel television, right? 99 00:06:08.110 --> 00:06:12.149 Because we talked about it previously with the news about 100 00:06:13.230 --> 00:06:17.430 whatever the shows were that were put on the back 101 00:06:17.470 --> 00:06:21.009 burners or now just not happening or moving forward. Of course, 102 00:06:21.050 --> 00:06:23.970 the way they've described Vision Quest now, it's now the 103 00:06:24.069 --> 00:06:27.490 closure of a trilogy, which initially I don't think it 104 00:06:27.550 --> 00:06:30.410 was billed as a trilogy. So it just felt like 105 00:06:30.569 --> 00:06:33.920 a lot of the things that were moving seemed to 106 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:36.740 hint that they were going away from live action. Of

course, 107 00:06:36.759 --> 00:06:38.839 we talked about it with Wonder Man season two, not 108 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:42.259 at first happening and then not happening. So it just 109 00:06:42.300 --> 00:06:46.610 leaves me concerned with what's the goal here? What's the plan? Now, 110 00:06:46.620 --> 00:06:49.829 I know later in the article from The Hollywood Reporter, 111 00:06:50.310 --> 00:06:56.029 it does mention that, quote, however, the company continually has 112 00:06:56.089 --> 00:06:59.389 three to five live action shows in development and sources 113 00:06:59.430 --> 00:07:02.660 say it just greenlit a spy thriller called referred to 114 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:05.779 as Zodiac. It is unclear to what the title refers, 115 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:08.959 but the most notable Marvel Comics reference is to a 116 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:13.079 criminal organization headed by a villain named Scorpio. That featured 117 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:16.730 bad guys themed to the constellations. In the comics, it 118 00:07:16.769 --> 00:07:20.610 was known for going head-to-head against S.H.I.E.L.D. Maybe that's a 119 00:07:20.649 --> 00:07:24.069 route they go. I don't know that that's necessarily the 120 00:07:24.250 --> 00:07:27.889 route I would take with the television way to go, 121 00:07:27.949 --> 00:07:30.670 but of course that could just be a working title. 122 00:07:30.790 --> 00:07:34.839 We don't know the full extent, but they still have 123 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:37.860 shows in the works, even though it feels like a 124 00:07:37.899 --> 00:07:39.519 lot of the shows are going away. I don't, I 125 00:07:39.540 --> 00:07:40.259 don't know what's happening. 126 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:44.819 Yeah. I mean, maybe, you know, I think obviously they're 127 00:07:45.259 --> 00:07:49.959 going to slim down the, the TV production ever since 128 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:53.939 Bob Iger kind of came back into the fold. They 129 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:58.199 kind of wanted to trim back production and kind of, 130 00:07:58.709 --> 00:08:02.430 you know, quality over quantity type of thing. And so I, 131 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:05.500 you know, that was always kind of in the future. 132 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:10.230 You know, you kind of think that the Daredevil Defenders 133 00:08:10.970 --> 00:08:13.810 type of TV shows were going to be maybe left untouched. 134 00:08:15.029 --> 00:08:19.420 But it's not too surprising. And maybe they want more 135 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:26.110 synergy with the cinematic universe the the movies and maybe 136 00:08:26.149 --> 00:08:31.430 they'll launch start launching shows that are tied to bigger 137 00:08:31.470 --> 00:08:34.509 projects like you could there was always rumors about a 138 00:08:34.570 --> 00:08:37.909 wolverine tv show leading up to his involvement with the 139 00:08:38.029 --> 00:08:42.379 x-men in uh maybe a second x-men movie um you 140 00:08:42.419 --> 00:08:44.799 know there's stuff like that i think could be in 141 00:08:44.820 --> 00:08:47.639 the works kind of like what hbo is doing with 142 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:51.580 james gunn The Lanterns are going to go, is paving 143 00:08:51.639 --> 00:08:57.970 its way to basically an introduction of Green Lantern into the, 144 00:08:58.750 --> 00:09:03.350 or at least Jon Stewart into the Superman, the big screen. 145 00:09:03.950 --> 00:09:06.070 And they also do that with Peacemaker and he's going 146 00:09:06.090 --> 00:09:09.269 to be a part of Man of Tomorrow. So yeah, 147 00:09:09.309 --> 00:09:12.259 maybe taking a little page out of James Gunn's book there. 148 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:16.080 But yeah, I imagine that they're going to be more 149 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:18.539 or so going to be going that route. 150 00:09:19.389 --> 00:09:21.830 I wonder if, if it is something like that, or 151 00:09:21.870 --> 00:09:24.860 if it's something where they won't, like if they do 152 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:30.159 a television series, it won't be nearly as like a 153 00:09:30.399 --> 00:09:33.779 name level, big name level heroes. You know, of course 154 00:09:33.820 --> 00:09:37.320 we had cap and winter soldier back in 2021. We 155 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:40.679 had Wanda. I wonder if they go in a direction 156 00:09:40.740 --> 00:09:43.470 to where they're smaller characters that you can still have 157 00:09:43.500 --> 00:09:46.830 a good show with, but not necessarily ones you're looking 158 00:09:46.850 --> 00:09:49.820 for on the big screen and, maybe tie it into 159 00:09:49.860 --> 00:09:53.490 the universe there or have it to where it's tied 160 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:56.190 into the universe, but again, not necessarily where it feels 161 00:09:56.230 --> 00:09:58.090 like we have to watch it before the next one. 162 00:09:58.129 --> 00:09:59.710 And I wonder if that's the goal. 163 00:09:50.029 --> 00:10:14.879 Yeah. that could be a big possibility. And that was 164 00:10:14.909 --> 00:10:16.220 a lot, I know that was a lot of big 165 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:19.700 complaints from people here and there. So yeah, I imagine 166 00:10:19.740 --> 00:10:22.200 that they are definitely going to scale down on that. 167 00:10:23.340 --> 00:10:25.399 And, and, and kind of going off of what you 168 00:10:25.419 --> 00:10:31.230 brought up with lanterns, you know, I wonder like, what's your, 169 00:10:31.330 --> 00:10:34.409 what's your thought on this? Why is it that, and 170 00:10:34.450 --> 00:10:37.210 this is kind of maybe a bigger discussion for another issue, 171 00:10:37.269 --> 00:10:42.919 but why is it that lanterns feels so much Like, 172 00:10:42.970 --> 00:10:45.950 Lanterns and even I would throw in Penguin feel like 173 00:10:46.070 --> 00:10:52.370 such complete shows. Whereas, like, I don't know what it is. Like, 174 00:10:52.389 --> 00:10:55.289 Daredevil has been good. Don't get me wrong. But I 175 00:10:55.309 --> 00:10:58.340 would take Lanterns and I would take Penguin

over Daredevil 176 00:10:58.769 --> 00:11:01.279 if I had to pick a show to watch, right? Yeah. 177 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:05.460 What is it about the DC shows that have worked 178 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:08.940 so well, you think, compared to what Marvel has done 179 00:11:09.379 --> 00:11:12.279 recently in TV? And that's no offense to Ms. Marvel 180 00:11:12.340 --> 00:11:14.659 or She-Hulk or some of these other ones. They operate 181 00:11:14.700 --> 00:11:18.539 in a different area, I would say. And they're successful 182 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:21.049 in their own right. But I don't know. I feel 183 00:11:21.070 --> 00:11:25.230 like Lanterns and even Peacemaker and Penguin have been doing 184 00:11:25.269 --> 00:11:28.750 things that make it feel more prestige than what Marvel 185 00:11:28.789 --> 00:11:29.110 has done. 186 00:11:29.870 --> 00:11:35.860 I think it's the writing and the directing. DC's focused 187 00:11:35.899 --> 00:11:41.570 on storytelling. And I think this is... past, I think, 188 00:11:41.610 --> 00:11:45.980 DC stuff. I think HBO is a big thing too. 189 00:11:46.460 --> 00:11:49.960 And the people that are coming on to work on 190 00:11:50.299 --> 00:11:55.440 the DC products are, you know, they're not people that 191 00:11:55.500 --> 00:12:00.269 are up and coming directors or writers. I think Marvel 192 00:12:01.090 --> 00:12:04.889 in that aspect likes to hire people that they see 193 00:12:04.990 --> 00:12:06.870 with a lot of potential and they've hit home runs. 194 00:12:07.009 --> 00:12:11.610 They've hit home runs with Ryan Coogler, Dustin, Daniel Crenton, 195 00:12:11.710 --> 00:12:15.379 they've hit a lot of home runs, but also there 196 00:12:15.399 --> 00:12:17.360 are a lot of duds in there as well. And 197 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:20.440 when you bring in people that are unexperienced and that 198 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:25.029 are not taking as many chances as, you know, HBO 199 00:12:25.190 --> 00:12:29.929 shows are doing, then you're not going to see... the 200 00:12:30.370 --> 00:12:37.269 quality as we've seen in Penguin and Lanterns. And so 201 00:12:37.850 --> 00:12:39.480 I think that has a lot to do with it. 202 00:12:40.330 --> 00:12:43.600 I think having to answer to Kevin Feige and having 203 00:12:44.120 --> 00:12:48.200 everything basically be approved is going to have to do 204 00:12:48.220 --> 00:12:51.080 with that. And also being under the Disney umbrella doesn't 205 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:55.779 help as well either, right? You do have things that 206 00:12:55.820 --> 00:12:58.450 have been great. Loki is a. 207 00:12:59.970 --> 00:13:03.350 Considering being under the Disney umbrella is a very high 208 00:13:03.409 --> 00:13:07.889 quality product with good writing. But there are instances in 209 00:13:07.950 --> 00:13:12.529 Loki where the Disney Marvel humor pops up and you're 210 00:13:12.549 --> 00:13:15.429 kind of like, sometimes it's not, it's, it's forced. Sometimes 211 00:13:15.470 --> 00:13:19.409 it's a necessity. You can, you can, you can make 212 00:13:19.450 --> 00:13:22.590 it work, but you know, it's, I mean, that's just 213 00:13:22.909 --> 00:13:23.470 who they are. 214 00:13:23.970 --> 00:13:25.789 No, that's true. And that's why I was like, I 215 00:13:25.830 --> 00:13:28.289 wanted to clarify because I don't want it to sound 216 00:13:28.649 --> 00:13:31.759 too much like I'm like bashing the Disney Plus shows, 217 00:13:31.779 --> 00:13:34.710 because I've enjoyed them for the most part, like WandaVision, 218 00:13:34.750 --> 00:13:38.950 like Agatha all along, like Loki. I mean, I would 219 00:13:38.990 --> 00:13:41.990 even throw in Moon Knight. I enjoyed that one. It's 220 00:13:42.309 --> 00:13:48.129 different instances where it's successful, but it's also, they're done 221 00:13:48.179 --> 00:13:50.539 in ways to where you don't necessarily have all these 222 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:54.779 subplots and other characters that you're introducing. They're very focused in, 223 00:13:55.179 --> 00:13:57.460 and sometimes that can be a detriment to the show. 224 00:13:57.480 --> 00:14:01.389 And I wonder if taking an approach similar to what, 225 00:14:01.460 --> 00:14:04.299 like a Lanterns or like a Penguin, where you have, 226 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:06.940 you know, your main character, but you also have these 227 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:10.480 other characters that you're following along, learning their backstories, learning 228 00:14:10.500 --> 00:14:14.100 their history, whatever it is, like taking that approach maybe 229 00:14:14.799 --> 00:14:19.480 would serve the Disney Plus shows better. Also maybe making 230 00:14:19.500 --> 00:14:22.639 them eight episodes long and doing them to where they 231 00:14:22.700 --> 00:14:27.399 are self-contained, where Lanterns is, is cosmic in ways, but 232 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:31.360 it is still self-contained mainly happening in this little town 233 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:36.100 of Rushville. Right. So there are ways that I wonder if, 234 00:14:36.279 --> 00:14:38.720 if they could apply them to future shows, if they 235 00:14:38.779 --> 00:14:40.750 are going that route, I think we still need to 236 00:14:40.970 --> 00:14:44.190 figure out what they're, they're planning on because outside of 237 00:14:44.250 --> 00:14:47.909 like the few projects that we know about specifically for movies, 238 00:14:47.929 --> 00:14:52.210 we don't know too much post season three of daredevil 239 00:14:52.269 --> 00:14:55.279 post season three of X-Men 97 and, I would hope 240 00:14:55.330 --> 00:14:58.210 that still stays around, and especially with the X-Men coming, 241 00:14:58.250 --> 00:15:01.389 I would imagine it stays around. But, you know, who knows? 242 00:15:01.710 --> 00:15:03.850 We'll see as time goes on. But since we're talking 243 00:15:03.870 --> 00:15:08.509 about Lanterns, let's dive into Episode 6, Bad Optics. Now, 244 00:15:08.549 --> 00:15:11.049

of course, if you haven't watched the full episode as 245 00:15:11.110 --> 00:15:13.600 of yet, you might pause this podcast and then come 246 00:15:13.629 --> 00:15:17.460 back after you watch it and then listen to the 247 00:15:17.480 --> 00:15:19.759 rest of this because it's full of spoilers ahead. 248 00:15:19.779 --> 00:15:21.179 Warning. 249 00:15:23.100 --> 00:15:25.320 Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. 250 00:15:26.019 --> 00:15:26.440 Spoiler alert. 251 00:15:26.460 --> 00:15:34.179 You've been warned, right? Jong, we had some bad optics 252 00:15:34.370 --> 00:15:38.029 in that Guy Gardner didn't want to participate in for 253 00:15:38.629 --> 00:15:43.029 the brand. But we did get a bit better of 254 00:15:43.070 --> 00:15:45.789 a sense of what Jon Stewart has been doing since 2016. 255 00:15:45.789 --> 00:15:48.610 We get a better sense of what's been happening to 256 00:15:48.629 --> 00:15:51.210 some of these characters as we move the timeline up 257 00:15:51.269 --> 00:15:53.840 to now be current day. I would imagine the rest 258 00:15:53.899 --> 00:15:56.200 of the way. What did you think of the latest 259 00:15:56.240 --> 00:15:57.299 episode of Lanterns? 260 00:15:57.720 --> 00:16:03.080 Yeah, there's a lot of unanswered questions in between. And 261 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:06.879 I guess when we were talking about his death, it 262 00:16:06.899 --> 00:16:09.240 looked like, I guess at first, at the very beginning 263 00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:10.799 of the episode, it looked like he got shot right 264 00:16:10.850 --> 00:16:14.230 under the eye, or at least maybe it looked like 265 00:16:14.250 --> 00:16:17.259 that for me, but we get a big understanding that 266 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:21.340 he got shot right above the eye, like in the forehead. 267 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:28.490 And the broken nose was from John. And 10 years 268 00:16:28.750 --> 00:16:33.129 of him being in jail and a lot's happened. And 269 00:16:33.169 --> 00:16:37.289 we've kind of called the whole Sheriff Kane, John Stewart 270 00:16:37.490 --> 00:16:41.289 kind of relationship, didn't we? Where they showed a lot 271 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:45.139 of chemistry together. And I guess he just was so 272 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:49.629 persistent that, You know, she ended up, you know, reciprocating 273 00:16:49.970 --> 00:16:54.860 towards the end of John's life. And he, you know, lived. 274 00:16:54.899 --> 00:16:56.000 How's life, you mean? 275 00:16:56.019 --> 00:17:00.720 Yeah, how's life. And he lived a more quiet, reserved 276 00:17:01.659 --> 00:17:06.019 life towards the end. And there, and, you know, thinking 277 00:17:06.059 --> 00:17:07.319 that he was going to go out. 278 00:17:09.819 --> 00:17:14.420 His eulogy going out as the savior of, of earth 279 00:17:14.740 --> 00:17:17.970 was kind of far from, far from it. And I, 280 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:22.849 I almost feel like the lantern ring to Hal at 281 00:17:22.910 --> 00:17:26.549 least has turned it,

turned him into a Smeagol golem. 282 00:17:27.769 --> 00:17:30.170 And the only thing that he cared about towards the 283 00:17:30.269 --> 00:17:32.750 end of his run at green of green lantern was 284 00:17:32.789 --> 00:17:37.660 that ring. And the, the relationships that he lost, the, 285 00:17:38.609 --> 00:17:42.950 Just the people that kind of perished as he was 286 00:17:43.009 --> 00:17:45.990 being Green Lantern and just him becoming lost in this 287 00:17:47.049 --> 00:17:51.430 thing of being Green Lantern. It just ate him up 288 00:17:52.009 --> 00:17:55.259 and he became a shell of himself. And we saw 289 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:56.779 at the beginning of the series when they did a 290 00:17:56.779 --> 00:18:02.160 flashback how happy he looked when he first became Green Lantern. 291 00:18:02.660 --> 00:18:05.019 The way that he was talking, you know, him wearing 292 00:18:05.059 --> 00:18:09.539 the suit. him talking about what this means for Earth 293 00:18:09.660 --> 00:18:13.140 and him and all that stuff, it disappeared at the 294 00:18:13.180 --> 00:18:15.450 end of it. And the only thing that consumed him 295 00:18:15.490 --> 00:18:19.529 was to hold on to that ring. In that fist 296 00:18:19.569 --> 00:18:23.490 fight with John, he wouldn't unclench that hand and he 297 00:18:23.509 --> 00:18:27.170 finally got overpowered. And even towards the end there, he 298 00:18:28.130 --> 00:18:34.140 holds a lot of heat I think he was trying 299 00:18:34.220 --> 00:18:36.720 to make amends or he was definitely trying to make 300 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:40.759 amends with Rushville and kind of with John he wanted 301 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:43.109 to but you could tell like there was a lot 302 00:18:43.140 --> 00:18:48.029 of resentment and animosity towards John because obviously John's not 303 00:18:48.069 --> 00:18:51.109 taking responsibility for anything that he might have done in 304 00:18:51.450 --> 00:18:55.170 Rushville even though Hal's sitting there like you know you're 305 00:18:55.190 --> 00:18:58.170 a part of this too and And you could see 306 00:18:58.329 --> 00:19:01.589 that smile of, of house come in and out while 307 00:19:01.609 --> 00:19:04.730 they were sitting in that diner and could see he 308 00:19:04.769 --> 00:19:07.819 was at peace with it. But you could also see 309 00:19:07.859 --> 00:19:12.440 there was that resentment towards Jon Stewart. Um, and probably, 310 00:19:12.579 --> 00:19:16.339 you know, he took to his grave, you know, still 311 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:20.180 a little bit of resentment and no resolution with Jon, which, 312 00:19:20.799 --> 00:19:25.319 you know, it's a thematic throughout the series. Uh, the, uh, 313 00:19:27.099 --> 00:19:31.029 the happy ending isn't there and which you know i 314 00:19:31.160 --> 00:19:34.009 i like that it doesn't need to close like storylines 315 00:19:34.049 --> 00:19:38.329 don't need to close it can be tragic and um 316 00:19:38.390 --> 00:19:42.730 yeah

i the episode was was great as always and 317 00:19:43.029 --> 00:19:46.390 uh leaves a lot of room for questions for the 318 00:19:46.529 --> 00:19:50.490 next two episodes and they've done such a brilliant job 319 00:19:50.529 --> 00:19:52.839 so far. And I do want to point out, when 320 00:19:52.859 --> 00:19:55.880 we were talking about Marvel and DC, I think with 321 00:19:55.890 --> 00:20:01.079 this series, Damian Lindenhoff is the showrunner for this. One 322 00:20:01.099 --> 00:20:04.700 of the showrunners for this is so experienced with other shows, 323 00:20:05.259 --> 00:20:10.119 with being producers on Lost and being a producer on 324 00:20:10.339 --> 00:20:15.720 a Prometheus. And I think he was the show runner for, uh, Watchmen. 325 00:20:16.220 --> 00:20:21.079 And so like when you have that on your resume and, 326 00:20:21.569 --> 00:20:25.490 and especially the Watchmen aspect of it works so well 327 00:20:25.509 --> 00:20:28.390 in the show. And I think that's why the, that's 328 00:20:28.410 --> 00:20:30.710 why this stuff kind of works for them. And, um, yeah, 329 00:20:30.730 --> 00:20:31.829 they're doing such a good job with this. 330 00:20:32.490 --> 00:20:35.269 Well, and there's, again, there's a route where they make 331 00:20:35.309 --> 00:20:38.650 it more happy go lucky and it's more just, Hal 332 00:20:38.670 --> 00:20:42.269 being this good hero against this big villain. And like 333 00:20:42.289 --> 00:20:45.579 you go that route typically with a superhero show, right? 334 00:20:45.619 --> 00:20:48.059 We learn who the villain is. They, they fight the 335 00:20:48.099 --> 00:20:50.500 villain in the very end. And then, you know, all 336 00:20:50.539 --> 00:20:53.880 as well, all as well as well. But this one 337 00:20:54.599 --> 00:20:57.869 is not about that. The, our heroes are just as 338 00:20:57.950 --> 00:21:01.750 jacked up as anybody else. There are issues, there are secrets, there, 339 00:21:01.930 --> 00:21:04.390 there's so many things that are happening at the, at 340 00:21:04.430 --> 00:21:07.089 the same time. And they've been able to highlight that well. 341 00:21:07.549 --> 00:21:10.269 highlight how, yeah, the ring is good and it can 342 00:21:10.289 --> 00:21:13.809 be good for many people, but it can make you 343 00:21:13.849 --> 00:21:16.730 lose your way a little bit and break, break rules 344 00:21:16.789 --> 00:21:19.710 and break barriers that you probably shouldn't have in the beginning. 345 00:21:19.759 --> 00:21:23.039 And how is back in Rushville seemingly to atone for 346 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:26.480 his sins, offering help to people, offering just any sorts 347 00:21:26.619 --> 00:21:30.420 of guidance and comfort he can to help those people 348 00:21:30.460 --> 00:21:33.980 after what they experienced. But with what he did, there's 349 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:38.430 no coming back from that, right? Like the, with helping 350 00:21:38.470 --> 00:21:43.589 take out the Manhunter. There is now so many issues 351 00:21:44.170 --> 00:21:48.569 in Rushville. I'm sure that hospital is now not filled 352 00:21:48.609 --> 00:21:51.609 with people, but a lot busier than it was years ago. 353 00:21:52.549 --> 00:21:56.119 And again, the town was destroyed because of this plan 354 00:21:56.160 --> 00:22:00.480 that he unleashed onto the city and the Manhunter going 355 00:22:00.539 --> 00:22:03.519 about it. I mean, it's also the Manhunter, but those 356 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:07.970 folks don't know that, don't understand that. They see Hal 357 00:22:08.069 --> 00:22:10.369 in the midst of it, and they see John, of course, 358 00:22:10.410 --> 00:22:13.390 in the midst of it. And John has a bit 359 00:22:13.430 --> 00:22:17.490 more reprieve than Hal does, it seems like, based off 360 00:22:17.509 --> 00:22:19.430 some of the reactions to some of these people, even 361 00:22:19.450 --> 00:22:25.329 though the lady in the morgue was not having it 362 00:22:25.369 --> 00:22:28.349 with John. Like, I'm just going to ignore you. But 363 00:22:28.609 --> 00:22:31.410 I do want to talk about the cafe scene with 364 00:22:31.430 --> 00:22:34.460 Hal and John, because You know, one of the aspects that, like, 365 00:22:34.500 --> 00:22:36.789 Hal throws out there is, you know, I took the fall. 366 00:22:37.390 --> 00:22:43.049 And John's like, no, you didn't take the fall. You fell. And, yeah, 367 00:22:43.609 --> 00:22:46.109 it's interesting in that time that he's been in jail 368 00:22:46.150 --> 00:22:50.309 that he feels in some ways that he was, like, 369 00:22:50.349 --> 00:22:54.119 the martyr, if you will. Like, I'm taking the fall 370 00:22:54.140 --> 00:22:59.440 for this whole situation. And while John's not completely scot-free 371 00:22:59.460 --> 00:23:03.650 in that, it's also, like, I didn't, like... This wasn't 372 00:23:03.690 --> 00:23:06.210 a plan of you taking the fall. This wasn't part 373 00:23:06.250 --> 00:23:08.990 of the whole thing. It's like, no, you just became 374 00:23:09.049 --> 00:23:12.680 what you became. And it led to a lot of 375 00:23:12.839 --> 00:23:14.839 destruction at the end of the day. And it led 376 00:23:14.900 --> 00:23:17.440 to people getting hurt that probably shouldn't have been hurt 377 00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:18.579 at the end of the day. 378 00:23:19.299 --> 00:23:27.650 Yeah. I mean, I do think that John... isn't at 379 00:23:27.730 --> 00:23:32.400 complete that he's, he's at fault, uh, too. So I 380 00:23:32.500 --> 00:23:40.680 do think that in that aspect that he is correct, um, that, 381 00:23:40.779 --> 00:23:44.880 that Hal is correct. Um, and I, I do think that, 382 00:23:45.500 --> 00:23:49.099 you know, he shares a lot of blame in, in 383 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:53.140 that too. So I, I, I understand where he's coming from. 384 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:59.059 I don't agree with John, uh, in that aspect. Um, 385 00:23:59.200 --> 00:24:03.140 so I do think that he does bear

some responsibility. Um, 386 00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:07.839 but also I do think that Hal was mostly at 387 00:24:07.859 --> 00:24:11.240 fault there cause he just, he's so cavalier with everything 388 00:24:11.319 --> 00:24:14.980 and he is so, he's a, you know, he's a, 389 00:24:15.009 --> 00:24:18.289 he's a gunslinger. And so going in guns blazing is, 390 00:24:18.470 --> 00:24:22.750 wasn't the right strategy. Sure. It worked for a little 391 00:24:22.769 --> 00:24:25.849 bit there in Rushville, but in the end it just 392 00:24:25.869 --> 00:24:31.420 got a lot of people, killed, it got the city destroyed, and, 393 00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:36.589 you know, John's name is attached, is synonymous with the 394 00:24:36.630 --> 00:24:41.910 Lanterns and Hal Jordan, and the people there obviously do 395 00:24:41.970 --> 00:24:45.509 not like John as well. It could be also race-related 396 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:50.279 as well. It just, you know, it compounds, right? Like, 397 00:24:50.859 --> 00:24:56.470 him being black and also him being what were... a 398 00:24:56.690 --> 00:25:00.009 green lantern, it just compounds and what happened to, to 399 00:25:00.029 --> 00:25:03.259 the city as well. So, um, that kind of leads 400 00:25:03.339 --> 00:25:08.150 to the, the fight, uh, you know, near the, uh, 401 00:25:08.259 --> 00:25:10.799 or next to the, what. 402 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:10.519 Do you call it? 403 00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:15.660 The signal, um, the, yeah, which is kind of funny. 404 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:18.900 It's funny. It's hilarious. Uh, and so that, yeah, that 405 00:25:19.539 --> 00:25:22.220 leads to a fight with Billy and his, his friends 406 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:25.950 and it just shows, shows you how much that he's 407 00:25:25.990 --> 00:25:27.470 disliked there at the city. 408 00:25:28.630 --> 00:25:33.730 Yeah. They're not fans of Green Lantern. Green Lantern, not 409 00:25:33.769 --> 00:25:36.710 welcome in Rushville. And, yeah, I mean, you understand why 410 00:25:37.690 --> 00:25:42.599 they feel that way. And you get why they're probably 411 00:25:42.650 --> 00:25:46.599 frustrated with what Guy did with putting up that beacon 412 00:25:46.660 --> 00:25:50.400 because it's a make good for what we did. And then, 413 00:25:50.420 --> 00:25:53.539 of course, John corrects how for what you did. But 414 00:25:55.460 --> 00:25:58.359 for a guy, it's more of a brand thing than a, like, 415 00:25:58.440 --> 00:26:02.960 I'm genuinely trying to help these people. But with John, 416 00:26:03.500 --> 00:26:08.319 there is a genuine care, but he also has stayed 417 00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:11.519 away from the town for so long, but he still 418 00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:14.609 has so many unfinished things that he has to deal with. 419 00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:18.029 And then, of course, coming back and finding Hal dead. 420 00:26:19.369 --> 00:26:25.960 And one aspect to that cafe scene is, Hal says, 421 00:26:26.059 --> 00:26:29.309 don't tell anyone you were here, please. He's begging him 422 00:26:29.369 --> 00:26:34.069 to do that. Is John showing up maybe what triggers 423 00:26:34.150 --> 00:26:35.910 Hal's death at the end of the day? 424 00:26:35.930 --> 00:26:42.549 I mean, maybe. I mean, maybe. I mean, it's hard 425 00:26:42.569 --> 00:26:48.559 to say. And Hal did look very paranoid when he 426 00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:51.819 started walking out. He said, don't tell anyone. You could 427 00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:52.720 see the fear in his face. 428 00:26:53.380 --> 00:26:54.200 Yeah. 429 00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:56.660 And so that could, it could have, it could have 430 00:26:57.160 --> 00:27:02.809 triggered it. And yeah. And speaking of Guy, is he 431 00:27:02.890 --> 00:27:07.809 human in the DCU? Because in the comics, he's like 432 00:27:07.970 --> 00:27:11.329 human slash, is it Voldarian? He's a hybrid? 433 00:27:11.930 --> 00:27:12.890 Yeah. Something like that. 434 00:27:12.930 --> 00:27:13.150 Yeah. 435 00:27:13.230 --> 00:27:15.089 And this one, he's just a gym teacher. 436 00:27:15.349 --> 00:27:15.589 Yeah. 437 00:27:15.670 --> 00:27:17.490 Or excuse me, athletic director. 438 00:27:17.509 --> 00:27:21.869 Yeah. You know the constructs don't have to be green. 439 00:27:25.089 --> 00:27:32.890 He's such a tool. Saving pandas. I do love the 440 00:27:32.910 --> 00:27:35.910 fact that all three of them are so different. And 441 00:27:36.569 --> 00:27:42.990 Guy is Guy. He's, you know, we saw him in 442 00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:47.950 Superman and more of a description here. He's Yeah, he's 443 00:27:47.990 --> 00:27:54.190 a tool bag. No, but going back to, well, what 444 00:27:54.210 --> 00:27:56.309 were we talking about? 445 00:27:57.109 --> 00:27:59.390 Because it was like, what triggered it? Was it like, 446 00:27:59.450 --> 00:28:00.009 don't tell? 447 00:28:00.259 --> 00:28:00.619 Oh, right. 448 00:28:00.630 --> 00:28:01.690 Yeah, yeah. 449 00:28:02.019 --> 00:28:07.759 Yeah, I mean, that Denali, I mean, talk about product placement. 450 00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:13.539 That Denali was wide open and, you know, you could tell, obviously, 451 00:28:13.619 --> 00:28:18.279 John is making a pretty penny there. And, um, yeah, 452 00:28:18.380 --> 00:28:20.920 I mean, you have a Denali like that drive into 453 00:28:20.980 --> 00:28:26.500 town looks new. It's turning heads. I don't know why he, 454 00:28:26.819 --> 00:28:30.259 he decided to show up in a Denali, uh, a 455 00:28:30.339 --> 00:28:32.779 brand new look like a brand new car. At least 456 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:36.480 it was at least is clean and it turns a 457 00:28:36.500 --> 00:28:39.000 lot of heads, especially the rest of the series. You 458 00:28:39.019 --> 00:28:42.779 look at what won his rental car to, uh, all 459 00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:47.000 the other cars and trucks in the city are pretty old. 460 00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:51.450 And so I would say that him driving that thing 461 00:28:51.490

--> 00:28:54.650 around into town, even if it was at night, it's 462 00:28:54.670 --> 00:28:57.089 going to turn a lot of heads. And so you 463 00:28:57.109 --> 00:29:00.589 could probably have people look, there's no way he was 464 00:29:00.609 --> 00:29:04.119 an unseen six foot four black man walking around a 465 00:29:05.099 --> 00:29:06.400 town with no minorities. 466 00:29:06.420 --> 00:29:10.150 Come on. And even with Maggie, like sitting right there, 467 00:29:10.190 --> 00:29:11.900 like she clocks them immediately. 468 00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:12.259 Oh yeah. 469 00:29:12.380 --> 00:29:15.980 I mean, you know, so there, it doesn't go without 470 00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:22.109 a notice, but it also could be not that well, 471 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:24.869 let me, let me back it up. He goes, obviously 472 00:29:24.910 --> 00:29:28.690 Jon Stewart, happy, happy times. He's made that money by 473 00:29:28.730 --> 00:29:31.670 being an architect and reconnecting with his brother, Marcus. Of 474 00:29:31.730 --> 00:29:34.519 course they have this company and at the beginning of 475 00:29:34.539 --> 00:29:39.960 the episode, he's pitching people in Midway City about having 476 00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:44.279 these arcs and preventing, as they mention, what happened in Metropolis, 477 00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:47.650 or at least having a plan in place to prevent 478 00:29:47.710 --> 00:29:51.150 something happening like it happened in Metropolis, of course, in 479 00:29:51.289 --> 00:29:54.930 reference to Superman. But then he gets the call like 480 00:29:55.750 --> 00:30:00.460 it's it's from mom saying how wants to apologize, but 481 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:04.000 then it seems like she manipulated him to go there. 482 00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:08.599 Is she involved with this? Like is, does she have 483 00:30:08.660 --> 00:30:13.609 something in, in terms of wanting how gone for whatever reason, 484 00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:15.329 it seems like they were cool with each other. It 485 00:30:15.369 --> 00:30:20.670 seems like they were friends. I wonder if it's something 486 00:30:20.710 --> 00:30:25.349 with the mom, something with Noah or, uh, there was 487 00:30:25.390 --> 00:30:27.650 a third person I think that I thought of, but 488 00:30:28.809 --> 00:30:31.470 there's a couple of people that I'm like, who could, 489 00:30:31.789 --> 00:30:36.069 could have pulled the trigger because as the coroner says, the, 490 00:30:36.329 --> 00:30:39.769 the person is right up in close. They, there, there 491 00:30:39.849 --> 00:30:42.430 is no like confrontation outside of the broken nose, which 492 00:30:42.549 --> 00:30:45.930 we know that was John. It's just, it feels like 493 00:30:45.970 --> 00:30:48.480 somebody got close with, with ease. And that would seem 494 00:30:48.539 --> 00:30:51.160 to indicate someone that they're, they're friends with or, or 495 00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:52.440 know of at least. 496 00:30:52.769 --> 00:30:57.730 Yeah no and either

that uh it also could mean 497 00:30:57.829 --> 00:31:01.769 that yes somebody that he knew somebody that can get 498 00:31:01.789 --> 00:31:05.289 that close but also i i also do believe or 499 00:31:05.329 --> 00:31:09.450 i feel like they held that gun up for quite 500 00:31:09.470 --> 00:31:12.630 a while not like a few minutes they probably had 501 00:31:12.650 --> 00:31:15.750 a conversation and and how was sitting there and And 502 00:31:15.789 --> 00:31:19.130 I wouldn't say he accepted it, but I could see 503 00:31:19.150 --> 00:31:22.210 he probably kind of like, you know, his time, his 504 00:31:22.569 --> 00:31:25.910 clock was probably ticking. And he probably knows that. And 505 00:31:25.970 --> 00:31:29.990 so it is somebody I do think that he does 506 00:31:30.059 --> 00:31:33.200 know and trust. And I do still think it's the kid. 507 00:31:33.500 --> 00:31:38.940 It's Noah. And I do like the theory that him 508 00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:42.200 not knowing that he's a manhunter is a real thing. 509 00:31:42.819 --> 00:31:45.660 I don't think it's Maggie because I don't think that they've... 510 00:31:46.380 --> 00:31:50.000 He's been there since he's gotten out every night. But 511 00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:52.619 I don't know if you develop a relationship with somebody 512 00:31:52.660 --> 00:31:55.460 like that that quickly. It's somebody that you have a 513 00:31:55.500 --> 00:31:58.920 relationship with for years. And I think it's Noah. 514 00:32:00.450 --> 00:32:05.289 And somebody that even if you feel that there is 515 00:32:05.410 --> 00:32:09.339 ill intent, someone that doesn't feel like necessarily a huge 516 00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:14.059 threat in that moment, right? Like so a young Noah or, 517 00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.640 you know, whoever else it may be. I lean towards 518 00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:19.140 Noah as well, like especially if there is a Manhunter 519 00:32:19.220 --> 00:32:24.839 connection with Noah that he knowingly or unknowingly has. The 520 00:32:24.900 --> 00:32:28.039 mom doing it or having a plan in place to 521 00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:31.750 do it doesn't make sense to me. Do you believe 522 00:32:31.769 --> 00:32:34.589 her in the sense that Hal was genuine like in 523 00:32:34.609 --> 00:32:35.130 their friendship? 524 00:32:36.789 --> 00:32:42.549 Yeah, I don't think it was her. 525 00:32:43.809 --> 00:32:47.470 Yeah, and I only bring the parents up just because 526 00:32:47.490 --> 00:32:55.809 of my thought with that was Hal Jordan left Jon 527 00:32:55.869 --> 00:32:58.910 Stewart broken in the sense of, I don't want the 528 00:32:58.950 --> 00:33:02.500 ring anymore, right? He saw what Hal became and is like, 529 00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:05.859 I'm not going to go down that route. And that 530 00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:08.460 was something that they had worked on John for 30 531 00:33:08.460 --> 00:33:09.599 years to that point. 532 00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:09.940 Right. 533 00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:13.380

And to have him not follow through with something that 534 00:33:13.420 --> 00:33:18.720 they sacrificed basically a majority of their lives for to 535 00:33:19.259 --> 00:33:22.559 that point. And for him not to fall through because of, 536 00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:25.220 of how I wonder if there was something deep seated 537 00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:27.839 between the two of them and they aren't afraid to 538 00:33:28.700 --> 00:33:32.720 go extra lengths to manipulate or push John to something. 539 00:33:33.140 --> 00:33:35.579 as we saw with dad shooting out a window, or 540 00:33:35.980 --> 00:33:38.470 we didn't see, we heard he shoots out a window, 541 00:33:39.130 --> 00:33:41.190 and he's just like, call your mom, call your mom. 542 00:33:42.069 --> 00:33:46.769 But that relationship between John and his parents is not 543 00:33:46.809 --> 00:33:51.579 something that you can easily repair, hence why he calls 544 00:33:51.619 --> 00:33:54.539 her Bernadette and has her listed as Bernadette, not even 545 00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:55.640 mom or anything like that. 546 00:33:55.930 --> 00:33:59.930 Yeah, no, that's a fractured relationship. And his dad is 547 00:34:00.029 --> 00:34:02.309 in the, what is he, the old folks home? 548 00:34:02.329 --> 00:34:03.210 Yeah. 549 00:34:03.990 --> 00:34:08.480 No, that, yeah, I don't, I think the fallout of 550 00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:13.019 what happened 10 years ago is definitely, it definitely wanes 551 00:34:13.099 --> 00:34:15.519 on them. And she wanted him to be Green Lantern. 552 00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:18.969 She pushed him to be Green Lantern. I think all 553 00:34:19.010 --> 00:34:23.530 that pushing just made it, the the relationships wane so 554 00:34:23.590 --> 00:34:27.929 much and that so it's uh yeah i it's i 555 00:34:28.650 --> 00:34:31.280 i don't think it was repairable at that point and 556 00:34:31.340 --> 00:34:34.739 so i you know i think it took him that 557 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:40.110 long to realize how messed up the relationship relationship has 558 00:34:40.139 --> 00:34:42.750 become and you could kind of tell i mean you 559 00:34:42.769 --> 00:34:45.059 can tell that she was the one that kept pushing 560 00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:47.059 and pushing and pushing when he was younger. And then 561 00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:50.380 it finally got to a point where he finally took 562 00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:52.150 a step back and was like, you know, I don't 563 00:34:52.170 --> 00:34:54.289 want it like this. You know, he still wants it, 564 00:34:54.329 --> 00:34:58.489 I think, you know. And you could tell him digging 565 00:34:58.510 --> 00:35:03.380 that hole and grabbing that ring, he still wants it. Well, 566 00:35:03.619 --> 00:35:07.280 I think the sole purpose of digging that hole was 567 00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:10.489 to get that construct back to help him. And I 568 00:35:10.530 --> 00:35:14.110 think the secondary reason is to become Green Lantern by 569 00:35:14.170 --> 00:35:19.230 taking it. And so we could have called that relationship fracturing. Yeah. 570 00:35:20.070 --> 00:35:24.269 And going back to the parents briefly, it's something with 571 00:35:24.309 --> 00:35:26.880 a parent in this way where you always want to 572 00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:29.699 have a relationship with them, obviously, because they're the ones 573 00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:33.780 that raised you. But if there's one or both or 574 00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:37.179 whatever that has either pushed you in a way to 575 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:41.530 where where they do something like that, I mean, obviously 576 00:35:41.699 --> 00:35:44.730 nothing to the extent that John's parents do to him, 577 00:35:45.429 --> 00:35:48.730 but push you in a direction that you just personally 578 00:35:48.969 --> 00:35:53.150 know you don't want to go down. And that relationship 579 00:35:53.230 --> 00:35:55.840 can be hard to ever recover from because you're talking 580 00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:58.980 about years and years of pushing when you're saying years 581 00:35:59.019 --> 00:36:01.860 and years of, no, I don't want to go about that. Or, 582 00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:04.219 I mean, it's the same case in the sense of 583 00:36:04.300 --> 00:36:08.840 when a parent's gone, a parent who didn't, wasn't there, 584 00:36:09.219 --> 00:36:11.179 hadn't been there for years and years and trying to 585 00:36:11.239 --> 00:36:14.099 just show up like everything's all gravy is not, is 586 00:36:14.139 --> 00:36:17.260 not it. That's not something that you repair overnight or 587 00:36:17.340 --> 00:36:23.250 just expect someone to expect the person to accept overnight. 588 00:36:23.349 --> 00:36:24.949 You know what I mean? Like it's just, it's just 589 00:36:24.989 --> 00:36:27.130 not going to happen. So that relationship is always going 590 00:36:27.150 --> 00:36:29.050 to be fractured in some way. And then when it 591 00:36:29.090 --> 00:36:32.030 comes to, to, to John in the, in the ring, 592 00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:36.800 I think he's in a place where, yeah, he kind 593 00:36:36.820 --> 00:36:39.179 of moved on, of course. He starts the architecture firm 594 00:36:39.219 --> 00:36:41.619 and stuff. But I think you're right. Deep down, he 595 00:36:41.659 --> 00:36:44.579 still would love to be Green Lantern because he knows 596 00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:48.030 he can do it. And as he tells Guy, the 597 00:36:48.090 --> 00:36:51.590 only reason why you're there is because I passed on it, basically. 598 00:36:51.630 --> 00:36:56.929 I'm paraphrasing what he said. But I do think the 599 00:36:57.010 --> 00:37:00.250 main reason, at least for now for him, is to 600 00:37:00.269 --> 00:37:02.469 figure out what happened to Hal. And, and this is 601 00:37:02.510 --> 00:37:05.190 just John being the person, the type of person that 602 00:37:05.210 --> 00:37:08.510 he is, where he did want to honor John or 603 00:37:08.809 --> 00:37:12.610 excuse me, John did want to honor

Hal, but it 604 00:37:12.659 --> 00:37:15.239 was a bit of a manipulation to get the ring 605 00:37:15.300 --> 00:37:18.500 so that he can start to figure out what's taken 606 00:37:18.539 --> 00:37:21.019 place and who killed, who killed Hal at the end 607 00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:21.400 of the day. 608 00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:28.610 Yeah. It's, Yeah, I do think that at the end 609 00:37:28.670 --> 00:37:33.880 of the day, that the reason of him becoming or 610 00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:40.969 at least holding that green, well, I think him wanting 611 00:37:41.030 --> 00:37:49.619 to stay in Rushville forever He's a good person. In 612 00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:52.030 the core of it, I do believe Jon Stewart has 613 00:37:52.070 --> 00:37:55.389 a lot of honor, and Jon Stewart is a downright 614 00:37:55.429 --> 00:38:01.840 good person. I also do believe that... Well, that's the 615 00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:06.780 main reason why he's still in Rushville, and that there's 616 00:38:06.820 --> 00:38:09.820 a chapter in his life that is obviously very, very huge, 617 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:15.849 whether his... 20, 30 plus years of training to become 618 00:38:15.869 --> 00:38:20.610 Green Lantern has consumed his life. And these past 10 619 00:38:20.610 --> 00:38:24.369 years have been just him, you know, because of what 620 00:38:24.409 --> 00:38:28.030 happened in Rushville has led to his professional career and 621 00:38:28.090 --> 00:38:33.909 his architecture career. And this thing from his past comes back. 622 00:38:34.550 --> 00:38:38.380 And I think he needs, if he's not Green Lantern, 623 00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:41.500 he needs to at least close the book, close the 624 00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:45.170 chapter or you know, to this past life. And so 625 00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:48.019 I think because of those two reasons is why he's 626 00:38:48.039 --> 00:38:51.820 staying in Rushville. He wants to make sure that he 627 00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:55.320 gets some closure. And also I do think even though 628 00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:59.860 he may dislike Jon Stewart, there's honor in, not Jon Stewart, 629 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:03.599 Hal Jordan, there's honor in Jon Stewart that doesn't let 630 00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:06.630 him just say, screw this, I don't want to deal 631 00:39:06.670 --> 00:39:11.349 with this anymore. And that's a very good characteristic to have. 632 00:39:12.219 --> 00:39:15.719 And so I think there's a moral obligation that he 633 00:39:15.820 --> 00:39:23.210 does possess that prevents him from leaving Rushville again. That 634 00:39:23.289 --> 00:39:26.769 moral kind of obligation led him to Rushville in the 635 00:39:26.789 --> 00:39:29.190 first place. I do think that his mom's phone call... 636 00:39:29.909 --> 00:39:33.429 no he may not you know obviously he doesn't he 637 00:39:33.469 --> 00:39:37.449 resents his mom but she does speak some truth and 638 00:39:37.469 --> 00:39:40.820 him wanting to at least get some kind of closure 639 00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:43.400 with with how jordan is the reason why he drove 640 00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:46.429 up there so I do think the character of Jon Stewart, 641 00:39:46.530 --> 00:39:49.250 the moral character, moral compass of him, is the reason 642 00:39:49.309 --> 00:39:52.280 why he's in Rushville. I think the ring, when he 643 00:39:52.340 --> 00:39:56.780 finds out he's killed, is a secondary motive. Yeah, yeah. 644 00:39:57.179 --> 00:39:59.300 I think so, too. I don't think that's the prime 645 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:02.619 thing for him at this point. I think it's what 646 00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:05.300 you're saying about kind of closing the door on Rushville. 647 00:40:05.929 --> 00:40:09.909 And once it's like... What's the Captain America quote? Once 648 00:40:09.949 --> 00:40:12.110 I see something wrong, I can't look away from it 649 00:40:12.150 --> 00:40:15.409 or whatever. I'm... It's something to that effect with Jon Stewart, 650 00:40:15.429 --> 00:40:18.369 where if I see something and I can help, I'm 651 00:40:18.389 --> 00:40:22.550 going to help. And he's triggered, of course, by the 652 00:40:22.650 --> 00:40:26.989 relationship that seemingly Hal and the mom have developed, Bernadette 653 00:40:27.090 --> 00:40:30.389 have developed, which that sets him off to go to 654 00:40:30.449 --> 00:40:33.739 Rushville initially. But then once he starts seeing everything, and 655 00:40:33.780 --> 00:40:38.380 of course, Hal's death, really just triggers him to figure 656 00:40:38.420 --> 00:40:42.280 out things in Rushville again. to find out what happened 657 00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:46.880 and make amends in, in some ways with maybe some 658 00:40:46.900 --> 00:40:49.679 of the people like a carry or just people in 659 00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:51.960 general in the town or, or, and just kind of 660 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:53.800 close the door on that chapter of his life. Cause 661 00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:57.789 I imagine, you know, once he leaves Rushville gives the 662 00:40:57.869 --> 00:41:01.909 ring and the lantern to the guardian Liana and he 663 00:41:02.010 --> 00:41:05.309 leaves and it, and he doesn't take the ring that 664 00:41:05.369 --> 00:41:08.010 fractures the relationship with the mom even further. And the, 665 00:41:08.179 --> 00:41:12.170 and the parents are really even further. but then he 666 00:41:12.210 --> 00:41:19.570 probably didn't deal with it and probably car... What's the word? Carpimentalize? 667 00:41:20.409 --> 00:41:21.590 I can't think of the word now. 668 00:41:22.090 --> 00:41:23.260 Departmentalize? 669 00:41:24.059 --> 00:41:26.800 Yeah, something like that. A fancy word that I can't 670 00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:30.739 say right now. My brain has gone off. But basically, 671 00:41:30.780 --> 00:41:36.579 he holds it deep within that he just... The ghosts 672 00:41:36.659 --> 00:41:39.510 of Rushville just kind of hang into his heart but 673 00:41:39.530 --> 00:41:42.099 he

just kind of pushes it down to focus on architecture, 674 00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:44.380 but he never really dealt with those ghosts is what 675 00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:44.960 I'm trying to say. 676 00:41:45.539 --> 00:41:49.340 No, I mean, you're right. It's something that he didn't 677 00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:52.730 get closure, and it's something that he just had to 678 00:41:52.809 --> 00:41:55.489 kind of like, I mean, I guess he did get 679 00:41:55.550 --> 00:41:58.389 closure with the Lantern Ring, but he didn't get closure with, 680 00:41:59.010 --> 00:42:02.510 you know, there's a whole, this whole thing when it 681 00:42:02.730 --> 00:42:07.650 comes rushing back, no pun intended, to Rushville, he, he 682 00:42:07.710 --> 00:42:10.110 gets taken back to it and it's something that he's, 683 00:42:10.269 --> 00:42:12.230 you know, a moth to a flame kind of thing. And, 684 00:42:12.789 --> 00:42:16.340 you know, something that, you know, how, how, you know, 685 00:42:16.409 --> 00:42:18.960 dying kind of brings him back and keeps him there. 686 00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:22.300 So he needs to make sure that this, this chapter 687 00:42:22.380 --> 00:42:29.469 is over. And, yeah, he's hell-bent on, you know, closing 688 00:42:30.409 --> 00:42:34.000 this chapter in his life if it means that he's 689 00:42:34.019 --> 00:42:37.340 going to be Green Lantern. I think that's a huge bonus. 690 00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:42.659 And he essentially jeopardized his future, not only his future, 691 00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:47.940 but also his brother's future. So, yeah, it's a huge, 692 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:49.530 huge risk that he's taking right now. 693 00:42:50.570 --> 00:42:54.010 And it also brings back, as we mentioned, he obviously 694 00:42:54.070 --> 00:42:57.460 cared about Zoe. He obviously cared about the Manhunter. There 695 00:42:57.500 --> 00:42:59.920 was a connection there, even for the limited time they 696 00:42:59.940 --> 00:43:02.179 were together. And of course, that's how much of it 697 00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:06.639 is the Manhunter and using that effective weapon, as Anton says, 698 00:43:07.110 --> 00:43:09.650 and how much of it is genuine care between the two. 699 00:43:10.650 --> 00:43:12.909 But John's the one that pulls that trigger. And as 700 00:43:12.969 --> 00:43:15.650 Hal says something, you're a killer as well. Like early 701 00:43:15.670 --> 00:43:18.730 in the episode, I think in the cafe sequence, like 702 00:43:18.750 --> 00:43:21.550 you're just a killer just like me. I mean, like there, 703 00:43:21.949 --> 00:43:24.920 there is elements still that, that John probably buried that 704 00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:27.519 he's never fully dealt with. And this gives him the 705 00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:31.500 opportunity to deal with those and find things out and 706 00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:34.679 start like, I don't know that he has a full 707 00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:37.849 on plan, but things start to roll in his mind. 708 00:43:37.869 --> 00:43:40.670 I would imagine once, once they find the fortress of 709 00:43:40.710 --> 00:43:43.349 storage key and once they, they figure out they can't 710 00:43:43.409 --> 00:43:47.110 get into that deal into that, the, the vault, uh, 711 00:43:48.219 --> 00:43:51.179 then things start triggering. Like, I wonder if that's when, 712 00:43:52.260 --> 00:43:55.099 and it does seem like it when he suggests to 713 00:43:55.199 --> 00:44:00.420 carry about a funeral for how, like, I imagine that's 714 00:44:00.460 --> 00:44:04.420 the beginnings of the plan, but also like, I don't 715 00:44:04.460 --> 00:44:06.840 feel like he did it out of just for the 716 00:44:06.900 --> 00:44:08.760 sake of the plan. I think he really meant it 717 00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:10.079 as well as what I'm trying to say. 718 00:44:10.610 --> 00:44:17.599 Yeah, no, and he, you know, he holds the respect 719 00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:23.980 portion of his personality that comes from his father. It's huge. 720 00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:28.039 It's been huge in his life. And his dad has 721 00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:32.300 become a huge influential person in his life as well. 722 00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:36.449 So I think, you know, I think it's something that, 723 00:44:37.449 --> 00:44:41.000 you know, he holds... true and dear to him. And 724 00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:44.670 that is basically, you know, he's the, that's why he's 725 00:44:44.710 --> 00:44:48.869 the person that he is. And he wants to make 726 00:44:48.929 --> 00:44:52.170 sure that Hal at least gets the respect that maybe 727 00:44:52.230 --> 00:44:55.469 he doesn't deep down think that he deserves, but at 728 00:44:55.510 --> 00:44:59.989 least for decency purposes that he needs and that he 729 00:45:00.030 --> 00:45:03.909 needs Hal to be at least buried like this because, 730 00:45:04.539 --> 00:45:05.559 you know, Hal had nobody. 731 00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:09.019 It goes back to what John said about suggesting Hal. 732 00:45:09.590 --> 00:45:12.409 As he tells Carrie, he's not a goldfish. We're not 733 00:45:12.429 --> 00:45:14.400 just going to flush him like the lady said. I 734 00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:17.820 think that speaks to his honor at that moment, like 735 00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:18.460 you're referencing. 736 00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:23.090 Yeah, it's something that I think that he... wants to 737 00:45:23.210 --> 00:45:25.800 at least carry out for him and you know i 738 00:45:25.889 --> 00:45:29.239 i think that he uh he he does him well 739 00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:33.320 and uh that the speech that he you know it's 740 00:45:33.380 --> 00:45:36.820 how how i i imagine wrote that speech when he 741 00:45:36.860 --> 00:45:39.949 first became green lantern or at least the early part 742 00:45:40.050 --> 00:45:42.989 parts of his uh when he was green lantern just 743 00:45:43.010 --> 00:45:45.949 because the way that he thinks that the whole world's 744 00:45:45.969 --> 00:45:48.670 going to be

there at his funeral and towards the 745 00:45:48.769 --> 00:45:51.659 end of or halfway through this series, you can kind 746 00:45:51.699 --> 00:45:54.199 of tell that he was a loner and that, you know, 747 00:45:54.260 --> 00:45:56.690 he doesn't really care anymore and all that kind of stuff. So, 748 00:45:57.070 --> 00:45:59.050 and I imagine that the Sinestro thing is the one 749 00:45:59.090 --> 00:46:02.809 that really messed him up. And so, and that's another 750 00:46:02.969 --> 00:46:05.949 whole conversation of who freed Sinestro or how to get out. 751 00:46:06.030 --> 00:46:09.679 But yeah, he, yeah, something really, really messed him up. 752 00:46:09.949 --> 00:46:16.800 And he became, you know, he became somebody that, he, he, the, nobody, 753 00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:19.789 you know, not even his, uh, construct, I'm not construct, 754 00:46:19.829 --> 00:46:23.570 but his, uh, not even his, you know, hologram recognizes. 755 00:46:24.329 --> 00:46:27.429 And yeah, you referenced the, the, the eulogy. Of course 756 00:46:27.510 --> 00:46:31.829 he wrote his own eulogy. Uh, and he gets that from, uh, 757 00:46:32.329 --> 00:46:37.860 a long time DC comics, uh, character, Carol Ferris, who, 758 00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:41.650 who presents it to him and, and, and shows him 759 00:46:42.130 --> 00:46:46.030 the thing and saying he needs some bravado behind it that, 760 00:46:46.869 --> 00:46:50.210 and John can provide that bravado that this speech needs 761 00:46:50.949 --> 00:46:53.110 as we see, as we, as we hear, as the 762 00:46:53.150 --> 00:46:57.010 thing goes on of him present first lady, first man, 763 00:46:57.139 --> 00:47:00.599 first person, you know, just all these different things of, 764 00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:03.820 of people that he assumes will be there. And yeah, 765 00:47:04.019 --> 00:47:06.860 it's just Carol. It's just Carrie. And it's just John. 766 00:47:07.179 --> 00:47:09.539 It's just three people. It's a quiet thing. That's not even, 767 00:47:10.860 --> 00:47:13.800 widely known even in the town of rushville a town 768 00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:17.019 of like 500 people at this point nobody knows about 769 00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:17.840 this funeral. 770 00:47:18.019 --> 00:47:21.639 Yeah and it's a a favor carrie has to call 771 00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:25.800 in to yeah so the to the funeral home and 772 00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:31.389 yeah it's you know it's heartbreaking because uh you know 773 00:47:31.489 --> 00:47:35.880 he At one point was beloved or seemingly beloved by everybody. 774 00:47:36.780 --> 00:47:40.119 And now he is at a funeral or his funeral 775 00:47:40.179 --> 00:47:44.409 has one person that he probably hasn't seen in a 776 00:47:44.530 --> 00:47:48.110 very long time in Carol. One person that he got 777 00:47:48.170 --> 00:47:50.269 really close to in the last 10 years. And one 778 00:47:50.309 --> 00:47:55.710 person that doesn't reciprocate the amends portion of it. Somebody 779 00:47:55.730 --> 00:47:59.849 that probably doesn't like Hal. I would say on most 780 00:47:59.889 --> 00:48:02.869 days would probably hate Hal. I wouldn't say it's poetic, 781 00:48:02.909 --> 00:48:07.690 but it's, it's sad. It is sad. And, um, you know, 782 00:48:07.789 --> 00:48:11.329 it's the life that he lived. And the, one of 783 00:48:11.349 --> 00:48:13.389 the reasons why I do think the, the ring is 784 00:48:13.570 --> 00:48:17.989 a very, it's a very allegoric to the, the Hobbit. 785 00:48:18.449 --> 00:48:23.409 And so I think, yeah, I, it just consumed him. Yep. Yep. 786 00:48:24.010 --> 00:48:28.219 Uh, and, and speaking of the like, liking and not liking, uh, 787 00:48:28.460 --> 00:48:30.809 you know, Carol mentions it to John, I bet he 788 00:48:30.849 --> 00:48:32.829 liked you, John, but he never said it. And I 789 00:48:33.849 --> 00:48:38.110 tend to believe that. I think that's Hal in a nutshell, 790 00:48:38.250 --> 00:48:43.699 where he'll care about you. He just doesn't know how 791 00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:46.420 to express it, especially in a healthy way. And especially 792 00:48:46.739 --> 00:48:49.559 towards the end of his tenure as a Green Lantern, 793 00:48:49.860 --> 00:48:52.659 he definitely didn't know how to express it. Because I 794 00:48:52.900 --> 00:48:55.780 do think there was some respect, as we've talked about 795 00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:58.719 in previous issues of the podcast and as we've gone 796 00:48:58.739 --> 00:49:03.739 through Lanterns, I think deep down how cared, respected, and 797 00:49:04.500 --> 00:49:08.119 liked Jon for what he stood for, what he stands for. 798 00:49:08.179 --> 00:49:11.650 As he mentions in the last episode, there's one thing 799 00:49:11.690 --> 00:49:14.369 that kid is, and it's not a coward. He recognizes 800 00:49:14.849 --> 00:49:18.570 what the type of person Jon Stewart is, and he's 801 00:49:18.590 --> 00:49:21.300 going to do the right thing. in the best ways possible, 802 00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:24.760 but he did take the ring, and he's very upset 803 00:49:24.780 --> 00:49:28.159 with him for purposes. And then, of course, Jon is 804 00:49:28.219 --> 00:49:30.519 right to be upset with him. He got him stuck 805 00:49:30.539 --> 00:49:33.550 in that car, which got him burned alive, and just, 806 00:49:33.610 --> 00:49:37.269 you know, different other things that Hal has done to 807 00:49:37.829 --> 00:49:40.030 strain the relationship between the two. 808 00:49:41.530 --> 00:49:45.909 Yeah, yeah. It's, you know, I think, you know, I 809 00:49:45.949 --> 00:49:48.150 do think that Hal would be proud that he dug 810 00:49:48.250 --> 00:49:51.309 up his grave. It is something that Hal. 811 00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:52.639 It's a very Hal move, isn't it? 812 00:49:52.940 --> 00:49:56.380 It is a very Hal move. And yeah, I think 813 00:49:58.420 --> 00:50:01.219 at least that part of him rubbed off. He's, you know, 814 00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:04.860 John is this

person that will play by the rules. 815 00:50:05.849 --> 00:50:10.699 Hal isn't. And digging up someone's grave is, you know, 816 00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:15.179 it's a no-no in terms of, you know, almost any, 817 00:50:16.739 --> 00:50:22.360 the respect, the disrespect, and just the bad juju. But 818 00:50:22.449 --> 00:50:24.190 Hal would have done it too. And I think Hal 819 00:50:24.369 --> 00:50:28.550 is probably laying there going, good job, good job, Junior. 820 00:50:30.730 --> 00:50:33.510 After the initial hologram comes back and he's like, you know, 821 00:50:33.909 --> 00:50:35.800 oh man, you know what I mean? Like, he just 822 00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:39.699 has the one line, and then it's like, yeah, I 823 00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:42.159 would have done it, too. You know? Probably something to 824 00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:42.699 that effect. 825 00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:43.599 Yeah. 826 00:50:43.820 --> 00:50:44.059 Yeah. 827 00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:48.909 You know, it's... He's doing what he needed to do. So, yeah, 828 00:50:50.250 --> 00:50:53.230 I think he's... I don't think Hal would have been 829 00:50:53.289 --> 00:50:54.849 very upset. No. 830 00:50:55.050 --> 00:50:59.110 No, not at all. A couple things before we wrap up. 831 00:50:59.550 --> 00:51:04.280 Maggie the Waitress wants... Why you choose the word reparations... 832 00:51:04.789 --> 00:51:10.889 With the black man, Maggie. That's a... That's a word... 833 00:51:10.030 --> 00:51:13.489 Interesting choice of words, Maggie. But she has a very 834 00:51:13.670 --> 00:51:16.150 exact dollar figure that she would like for the damages 835 00:51:16.190 --> 00:51:19.960 that were done to Rushville. And I was wondering what 836 00:51:19.980 --> 00:51:21.780 the deal was with her. I thought it was simply 837 00:51:21.820 --> 00:51:25.420 going to be a... You know, I understand what you were... 838 00:51:26.019 --> 00:51:28.780 You know, I don't like Hal Jordan as much as 839 00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:33.610 anybody else. And, you know, I'm happily to cover for 840 00:51:33.670 --> 00:51:36.250 you and... what you did to him the other night, 841 00:51:36.329 --> 00:51:40.210 but I was not expecting the reparations angle and the 842 00:51:40.250 --> 00:51:41.090 exact amount of $ 314, 536. 843 00:51:40.929 --> 00:51:40.989 27. 844 00:51:40.969 --> 00:51:43.289 Oh, you have that written down? Yeah, I wrote it down. 845 00:51:43.329 --> 00:51:45.860 I wrote it down. 846 00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:57.440 Yeah, I, you know, obviously, I think, you know, without 847 00:51:57.460 --> 00:52:00.980 giving too much context away during the conversation, I think, 848 00:52:01.019 --> 00:52:02.579 you know, you could tell that that was the girl 849 00:52:02.619 --> 00:52:03.000 that was. 850 00:52:04.409 --> 00:52:09.230 Dad died at the motel. Right. Um, she don't remember me. Uh, 851 00:52:09.269 --> 00:52:11.170 you remember, I think that was the girl there. Um, 852 00:52:12.429 --> 00:52:13.550 and then him, I was. 853 00:52:13.469 --> 00:52:16.070 Trying to remember which girl it was in that episode. 854 00:52:16.110 --> 00:52:17.469 And I think it was, I think it was the 855 00:52:17.510 --> 00:52:20.909 girl that was in the, at the motel where dad 856 00:52:21.469 --> 00:52:23.650 passed away. His leg is just sitting there and he 857 00:52:23.710 --> 00:52:26.829 just kind of said, sorry to her. And then she 858 00:52:26.849 --> 00:52:28.869 kind of brings that back where she's saying, you know, oh, 859 00:52:28.889 --> 00:52:31.550 you don't remember me? Like, you know, we talked about 860 00:52:31.570 --> 00:52:37.300 this before or you told me sorry. Yeah, I think 861 00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:43.559 that now I did see somewhere where she does look 862 00:52:43.579 --> 00:52:46.360 like another Maggie in DC Comics and she's a cop. 863 00:52:47.539 --> 00:52:51.559 She looks very like the character, the actress that was hired. 864 00:52:52.380 --> 00:52:54.989 I think in the comics she's named Maggie Sawyer. And 865 00:52:55.010 --> 00:52:59.110 I think she's a police officer. Looked very similar. I 866 00:52:59.309 --> 00:53:00.730 wonder if they're going to use her in the future. 867 00:53:00.829 --> 00:53:06.179 But I think she just epitomizes just the people in Rushville, right? 868 00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:10.619 So everybody that's lost something is feel like they're owed 869 00:53:10.739 --> 00:53:14.760 by at least the Lantern Corps. So yeah, it just 870 00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:17.940 kind of showed what the people, what they're feeling there. 871 00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:21.900 Are you surprised that, I know John said, says it 872 00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:26.170 as much to why he doesn't tell Carrie about the altercation. 873 00:53:26.690 --> 00:53:30.110 Are you surprised, though, that he never, like, talks to 874 00:53:30.150 --> 00:53:30.679 her about it? 875 00:53:33.949 --> 00:53:38.400 I still, I mean, I think he respects Hal enough 876 00:53:38.539 --> 00:53:43.980 to heed his advice. I think Hal saying that don't 877 00:53:44.019 --> 00:53:48.289 trust anyone or don't tell anyone, I think, did something 878 00:53:48.369 --> 00:53:48.550 on him. 879 00:53:49.269 --> 00:53:52.769 Yeah, I think so. And his desperation, right, at the 880 00:53:52.789 --> 00:53:55.769 beginning of the episode, too, of don't tell anyone you're here. 881 00:53:56.070 --> 00:53:58.760 And the thing that really set it over the edge 882 00:53:58.800 --> 00:54:01.920 for me was the pleas, as we mentioned earlier. Just 883 00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:05.460 the desperation in his voice seemed like John took it 884 00:54:05.500 --> 00:54:07.539 to heart. And even with Carrie, he's just not going 885 00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:11.010 to break that. We also learned from Guy Gardner that 886 00:54:11.150 --> 00:54:15.599 someone busted out Sinestro. So Sinestro's lurking out there. I 887 00:54:15.619 --> 00:54:18.119 don't know if that'll come into play in the rest 888

00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:20.380 of these two episodes, but that just feels like maybe 889 00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:23.039 a plot thread that could be explored in a future 890 00:54:23.059 --> 00:54:24.079 movie or something like that. 891 00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:28.760 Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think so. Or another series. 892 00:54:28.880 --> 00:54:33.619 I mean, I don't know where season two is going 893 00:54:33.639 --> 00:54:35.380 to go because they did say they're working on a 894 00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:40.889 season two. Season two could be, like I mentioned before, 895 00:54:41.699 --> 00:54:47.219 a space version of this. Yeah. investigating what happened to Sinestro, 896 00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:51.539 who broke him out, and basically finding Sinestro. Obviously, the 897 00:54:51.579 --> 00:54:53.659 budget for that one will be much higher because of 898 00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:57.099 a lot of, you know, CG. So that could be 899 00:54:57.139 --> 00:55:00.219 a possibility. I mean, I guess we could get a 900 00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:05.010 Lantern Corps movie with Sinestro, and we find out where 901 00:55:05.050 --> 00:55:09.550 Sinestro is, and him, you know, fighting back against the 902 00:55:09.590 --> 00:55:13.929 Green Lanterns. I mean, there's a number of ways you 903 00:55:13.969 --> 00:55:14.210 can go. 904 00:55:15.389 --> 00:55:18.110 Yeah, there's a lot of ways you could explore that 905 00:55:18.150 --> 00:55:21.710 as well, and whether that's Jon or just a Green 906 00:55:21.750 --> 00:55:24.429 Lantern Corps movie in general, because is it Sinestro seeking 907 00:55:24.449 --> 00:55:28.300 out revenge against the Guardians? You know, it just popped 908 00:55:28.340 --> 00:55:31.900 in my head, but I doubt it. It's just another possibility. 909 00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:34.820 Could Sinestro have been the one to come down and 910 00:55:34.860 --> 00:55:37.170 make it look like, you know, just a simple Earth 911 00:55:37.210 --> 00:55:40.929 attack on Hal? I doubt it, but, I mean, they're... 912 00:55:42.110 --> 00:55:43.550 Like if I had to put chances on it, it's 913 00:55:43.590 --> 00:55:45.610 like a less than 1% chance because I feel like 914 00:55:45.650 --> 00:55:48.849 it's going to be somebody more like a Noah or 915 00:55:48.889 --> 00:55:53.179 somebody like you just wouldn't necessarily expect. Somebody younger, somebody 916 00:55:53.340 --> 00:55:55.940 that's just angry at Hal for something that he's done. 917 00:55:56.780 --> 00:55:59.519 Yeah, I think so too. I mean, I think it's 918 00:55:59.619 --> 00:56:02.159 not going to be, I don't think Sinestro would come 919 00:56:02.179 --> 00:56:05.539 down and shoot him in the head with a freaking pistol. 920 00:56:06.179 --> 00:56:08.849 Yeah, like a Beretta, whatever type of weapon it was. 921 00:56:08.909 --> 00:56:10.369 I think it was a 9mm. I think they said 922 00:56:10.409 --> 00:56:10.789 it was a 9mm. 923 00:56:10.849 --> 00:56:14.329 9mm, that's what, yeah. And speaking of Noah, before we 924 00:56:14.369 --> 00:56:20.510 wrap up, it is interesting that he does have a 925 00:56:20.570 --> 00:56:23.269 desire to go into politics, even to the point of 926 00:56:23.369 --> 00:56:28.489 becoming president, which, if you think about it, and he's 927 00:56:28.530 --> 00:56:34.139 a manhunter on top of that, a manhunter controlling one 928 00:56:34.179 --> 00:56:38.840 of the world's most powerful countries feels like a bad time, 929 00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:39.980 if I must say. 930 00:56:40.460 --> 00:56:46.380 Yeah. Yeah, it has bad news written all over it, 931 00:56:46.380 --> 00:56:46.780 doesn't it? 932 00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:49.480 It does. It does. Now, like, the more that I 933 00:56:49.500 --> 00:56:52.179 think about it and the more it's like, because, like, 934 00:56:52.500 --> 00:56:54.679 it's treated as a, you know, oh, I'm just messing 935 00:56:54.699 --> 00:56:57.840 with him. He wants to be president. He did good 936 00:56:58.300 --> 00:57:01.440 after the fact. But I still think about what Zoe 937 00:57:01.460 --> 00:57:05.449 told him about, like, don't forget everything I taught you, 938 00:57:05.510 --> 00:57:08.989 whatever the line was now. But that line stuck with 939 00:57:09.030 --> 00:57:11.710 me because it's like, that's not, a simple line that 940 00:57:11.730 --> 00:57:14.650 you just have there as a throwaway to this kid or, 941 00:57:14.710 --> 00:57:16.670 you know, anything like that, it, there feels like there's 942 00:57:16.710 --> 00:57:19.769 something more to it. And so if this is a bigger, 943 00:57:19.849 --> 00:57:24.769 grander plan that maybe Zoe was enacting with Noah, like 944 00:57:25.130 --> 00:57:27.429 maybe that's where that was the end game of it all. 945 00:57:28.309 --> 00:57:34.369 Yeah, maybe. And, um, yeah, it could be where the, 946 00:57:34.489 --> 00:57:37.960 they had much, much bigger plans than just, uh, um, 947 00:57:39.469 --> 00:57:40.829 being in Rushville and hiding. 948 00:57:41.909 --> 00:57:46.989 Yeah. Cause you know, Manhunter probably was seeing a larger, 949 00:57:47.389 --> 00:57:52.500 especially maybe after, well, Manhunter wasn't around for, for, for Superman, 950 00:57:52.539 --> 00:57:56.019 but just in general with what the green lanterns and, 951 00:57:56.179 --> 00:57:58.960 and Ola and all that are doing, like maybe that 952 00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:01.440 was the grander plan for the Manhunter to rise to 953 00:58:01.460 --> 00:58:04.940 power in some way, or maybe not directly rise to power, 954 00:58:04.980 --> 00:58:09.059 but have Noah rise to power and, That could be 955 00:58:09.099 --> 00:58:11.480 an angle to explore, but we'll find out in Episode 956 00:58:11.480 --> 00:58:14.739 7 when it comes out this coming Sunday. But that's 957 00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:17.780 going to do it for Issue 667 of Comicast. Thank 958 00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:20.050 you all for listening, wherever you are. We greatly appreciate it. 959 00:58:20.409 --> 00:58:22.769 We'd greatly appreciate you leaving a rating or a review. 960 00:58:22.869 --> 00:58:25.070 That would help us continue to grow. And then again, 961 00:58:25.289 --> 00:58:28.769 check out TokyoX this weekend at Reliance Center. Get your 962 00:58:28.809 --> 00:58:32.090 tickets at Eventbrite and see the full list of events 963 00:58:32.150 --> 00:58:36.619 and details and fun things to do at TokyoX.com. by 964 00:58:36.659 --> 00:58:39.820 visiting tokyonightfest.com. And again, if you want to win tickets, 965 00:58:40.039 --> 00:58:43.719 a pair of tickets to the event, listen this Friday 966 00:58:43.820 --> 00:58:47.820 beginning at 11.30 a.m. on ESPN 97.5. I'll be giving 967 00:58:48.179 --> 00:58:50.380 a pair away during What to Watch with Del and 968 00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:54.000 Sean on ESPN 97.5. But that's going to do it 969 00:58:54.039 --> 00:58:55.719 for us. We will talk to you guys next week. 970 00:58:56.159 --> 00:59:00.530 Thank you. Oh, not thank you. See ya. I'm in the.... 971 00:59:05.250 --> 00:59:06.179 Thank you for this time. 972 00:59:06.980 --> 00:59:10.039 I'm in the process of writing an email. and I'm 973 00:59:10.059 --> 00:59:12.019 at the very end, and I usually write thank you, 974 00:59:12.260 --> 00:59:14.840 and I just. 975 00:59:14.860 --> 00:59:21.050 Warm regards. Warm regards. See ya. Sincerely. And it was 976 00:59:21.070 --> 00:59:23.210 a very professional thank you. You said it in a 977 00:59:23.230 --> 00:59:24.050 very professional way. 978 00:59:24.190 --> 00:59:24.389 Yes.