התמלול המלא של He's Seen Things in the Dark That Can't Be Explained, Oklahoma's Weird Magnet

36 00:02:24.759 --> 00:02:27.639 So you know where I want to start with this 37 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:32.240 is at the campfire Canton Lake. There was bad weather, 38 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:36.400 you had families sitting around, and there you are telling 39 00:02:36.439 --> 00:02:40.280 your stories. Now, what was the story that you told 40 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:43.800 that night that finally made your family said, okay, that's enough, 41 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:45.680 you got to start writing these down. 42 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:50.879 I remember it well. It's the first story in my 43 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:57.759 first book. I call it the Pond Monster. Many years ago, 44 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:02.639 back in the mid eighty mid nineteen eighties, I was 45 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:04.960 working for O DOT and I was on the traffic crew. 46 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:10.199 And the guy that I was riding with in the 47 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:14.680 truck that day, his name was Red, was an old 48 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:17.800 friend of mine. He was my mother's age. They actually 49 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:21.599 graduated high school together. But he was an older fellaw 50 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:27.520 and a great bass fisherman. I was fortunate enough when 51 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:31.400 I was in my twenties, I guess to get to 52 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:35.719 know some older guys who were just fantastic fishermen. And 53 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:38.919 they asked me if I wanted to go, you know 54 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:40.879 a lot of times and I'm heck you out, I'll go. 55 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:43.879 And I learned so much from those guys. But read 56 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:48.080 this particular day, we were in the truck and we 57 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:50.800 stopped at a local service station. It was a full 58 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:55.199 service service station, so tells you how long ago that was. 59 00:03:57.080 --> 00:03:59.879 And there was a guy out there worshing the windows, 60 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:03.879 you know, and we both knew him. His name was Dawn. 61 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:06.639 And it was a beautiful day. So we pile all 62 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:08.479 the truck. We're going to go grab something to drink 63 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:11.840 on our way out of town. And and they said, 64 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:16.199 hide each other and and Don says it's too pretty 65 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:19.959 to work. We need to go fishing somewhere. And Red says, 66 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:23.000 I'm for that. Where you want to go? And Don says, 67 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:27.160 any place but Beanstones? And you know, we went and 68 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:29.160 got our something to drink. We had back We're headed 69 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:31.279 out of town in the truck. And I said, I 70 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:33.480 asked Red, I said, what's wrong with Benstones? I always 71 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:35.639 heard that was a good farm pond of fish. He goes, oh, 72 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:38.079 it is, he said, But Red and I went in 73 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:40.920 there one night and he's seen a monster and he 74 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:44.360 won't go back. I'm like, he's seen a monster. He goes, yeah, 75 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:46.519 that's what he said. He said it was the locked 76 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:48.920 ness monster. But it was a farm pond, so I'm 77 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:52.560 like a pond monster. So I was asking him, what 78 00:04:52.639 --> 00:04:54.399 did it look like? I don't know. He said he 79 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:56.600 really wouldn't. He wouldn't talk about it, but he won't 80 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:59.319 go back. And this pond was kind of one of 81 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:02.319 those infants us places that there was an old man 82 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:05.480 named Benston that owned it, and supposedly he like fed 83 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:08.560 these fish and had names for him and they were 84 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:12.839 just supposedly giants, and he would go down there to 85 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:16.360 feed his fish, and if one was missing, then he 86 00:05:16.439 --> 00:05:18.639 knew somebody'd snuck in there, because that was the only 87 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:21.560 way he went in. So I'm listening Red tell me 88 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:24.199 about this pond and Dawn seeing this monster, and I 89 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:27.800 am just so curious. I'm like, well, let's go after 90 00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:30.839 work tonight. Why don't we go? And I said, well, 91 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:34.000 we can go like Saturday or and Red was like, well, 92 00:05:34.040 --> 00:05:36.720 I've only been out there twice, and he said, I 93 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:38.639 don't think I can find it in the daylight. We'll 94 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:40.639 have to go after dark. Plus we don't want this 95 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:43.240 old man to see us. And I was never really 96 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:46.560 one for sneaking into a place anyway, but I was 97 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:50.480 so curious. So anyway, the Red picks me up like 98 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:54.399 eleven o'clock Friday night, and we had out there. We're 99 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:57.639 driving along out in the country and he turns off 100 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:00.000 his headlights and I'm like, what are you doing. He's like, well, 101 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:02.439 I don't want that old man to see us up, 102 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:06.720 you know. So he drives along. Then he finally pulls 103 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:08.600 over and says, I think this is it. So we 104 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:11.759 we had like five gallon buckets and one rod, and 105 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:14.680 we had got like we were after these big channel 106 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:16.399 caps that was supposed to be in this pond, and 107 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:21.439 we we had like worms and shrimp, I think, and grasshoppers. 108

00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:24.439 And anyway, we're carrying this a five gallon bucket in 109 00:06:24.439 --> 00:06:27.079 a rod. So we over the fence and down this 110 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:30.240 hill and on the you could kind of see the 111 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:32.639 pond down in the bottom down there, and there was 112 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:38.360 a across the pond of ways away there was like 113 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:41.360 a house and some outbuildings, and there was like one 114 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:43.240 light on a pole over there, and it was like 115 00:06:43.639 --> 00:06:48.399 a quarter of a mile away. So anyway, we're really 116 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:50.560 you know, had no lights. So we get down there 117 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:55.959 by the pond and we separate and I bade up 118 00:06:55.959 --> 00:06:58.600 a grasshopper or something I throw out, and I turned 119 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:01.639 my bucket over and I'm sitting on the bucket and 120 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:05.439 I I hear this noise and it was a blop 121 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:09.399 bloop blop, bloop bloop bloop bloop, And I thought, what 122 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:11.360 is that? And then I would hear it again, and 123 00:07:11.399 --> 00:07:14.639 I thought, Red's throwing a top water plug, like a 124 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:17.920 jitterbug or something, you know, trying to catch a bass. 125 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:23.639 So I keep hearing it, and then pretty soon I 126 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:25.800 hear Red. He's about thirty feet away and he goes, 127 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:29.199 it's that you. I'm like, is what me? That that blooping, 128 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:32.439 glooping noise? I said, no, I thought it was you. No, 129 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:35.920 it's not me. So we're sitting there. We'll pretty soon 130 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:38.560 Red comes over and he sets right by me and 131 00:07:38.600 --> 00:07:41.720 he throws out again. So we're sitting there and then 132 00:07:41.720 --> 00:07:44.600 we hear this blop bloop loop loop loop that's coming 133 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:49.279 from our right. And it was kind of a cloudy night, 134 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:52.680 and there was like half a half moon. Well just 135 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:55.439 just at the perfect time, the moon comes out from 136 00:07:55.439 --> 00:08:01.399 behind a cloud and we see this head and it's 137 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:05.959 like a miniature version of the classic Luckness Monster. I mean, 138 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:10.600 it's going across and you can see the head moving 139 00:08:10.839 --> 00:08:14.240 and I mean there's nobody, just the neck sticking out 140 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:17.600 and stick it out maybe like eighteen inches, and it 141 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:20.000 goes past us from right to left and then kind 142 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:22.720 of turns away from us, and that boop just kind 143 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:25.240 of gradually dies off, and we're sitting there watching that, 144 00:08:25.279 --> 00:08:27.839 and then Red leans over to me and he says, 145 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:31.000 you're about ready to go, Yeah, let's get the heck 146 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:33.240 out of here. Rit Don was right, this thing's got 147 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:37.000 some kind of so we reeled up and got the 148 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:39.960 heck out of there, and we talked about it, I 149 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:43.159 don't know how many times after that, like what was that. 150 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:45.919 It wasn't a duck, it wasn't a goose, There was 151 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:47.720 no body. It was just a neck of a head. 152 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:50.799 And we thought, well, maybe this old man had something 153 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:54.840 rigged up somehow, or rather like a toy submarine or something, 154 00:08:55.159 --> 00:08:58.600 you know, to scare people off. And if that was 155 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:02.399 the case, it worked. Dawn would never go back and 156 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:04.840 read that. I got the heck out of there as 157 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:07.200 fast as we could get out of there. So it 158 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:11.399 was just weird. And that was the story I told 159 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:14.759 at the campground that night, and they're like, wow, you 160 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:16.639 need to write you know. And I told several but 161 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:18.279 that was the one where they were like, man, you 162 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:20.960 need to write these down. So that was the first 163 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:23.120 story that I wrote, and it's the first one on 164 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:27.440 my first book. I call it the Pond Monster. It's case. 165 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:29.519 It's funny, but it's creepy too, you know, And that's 166 00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:32.679 kind of the way a lot of my stories are. 167 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:38.320 What's interesting is like this creature was identical to what 168 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:41.240 you had seen on like you know, like the Locknest Monster. 169 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:43.799 Now were you able to get like a good visual 170 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:46.960 of its head and maybe like color or eyes or anything. 171 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:49.399 We couldn't tell any color. We could just see dark 172 00:09:49.720 --> 00:09:53.600 against the moon reflecting off the water of the pond, 173 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:58.879 you know, but you could definitely. I swear maybe I 174 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:01.480 imagined that, you know, that's been years ago. Maybe I 175 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:04.320 imagined the head and moving around like it was looking around, 176 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:09.799 you know, imagination at night. Who knows whatever it was, 177 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:12.480 like I say, it was probably eighteen inches out of 178 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:15.799 the water, maybe two feet at the most. I would say, 179

00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:19.679 big around is my arm, you know, my wrist, and 180 00:10:19.759 --> 00:10:22.679 it was just shaped. Head came out and just made 181 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:24.840 a little hit, just kind of like the you know, 182 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:28.159 kind of like the it just went along there, swimming 183 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:32.159 along like this. We were like, what the hell? And 184 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:35.120 we never did figure out what it was, you know, 185 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:38.840 and I've never been back. I'm sure that that old 186 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:41.759 man passed away years ago, and the property I know 187 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:45.639 has changed hands at least twice since then. And I 188 00:10:45.679 --> 00:10:48.720 think that pond dried up about ten fifteen years ago. 189 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:51.639 Somebody told me how had dried up. I don't know, 190 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:55.519 Like say, we thought maybe the old man might have 191 00:10:55.559 --> 00:10:58.320 had something rigged up to scare people. Whatever it was, 192 00:10:58.360 --> 00:10:59.919 it was good because it worked. 193 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:05.360 I don't know, it seems too yeah, I don't know 194 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:08.360 that that is a very my cousin. 195 00:11:08.679 --> 00:11:10.879 My cousin kind of grew up out in that area 196 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:13.519 and he him and a couple of his buddies when 197 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:15.440 he was in school age to go there and swim 198 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:17.960 in that pond, and he said it was deep. But 199 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:20.039 I said, you know, when I was telling him about it, 200 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:23.159 He's like, we never seen any monster. And I'm like, okay, 201 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:26.120 I wouldn't have believed that if I hadn't seen it either, 202 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:28.639 you know. But Red and I were like we got 203 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:31.039 back and to pick up that night, like down was right, 204 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:33.639 there's something in there. I don't know what. You know. 205 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:37.159 It was just weird and it's funny now, but at 206 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:39.720 the time we were like, man. 207 00:11:40.600 --> 00:11:42.919 It is funny. It is. It is kind of amusing. 208 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:45.960 Especially it's like, yeah, you wrote ready to go. That 209 00:11:47.879 --> 00:11:50.240 is a good laugh, it's not too scary. 210 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:51.159 Uh. 211 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:52.960 Do you have one that goes from you know, like 212 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:54.360 that was a good laugh. Do you have one that 213 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:57.960 is uh? You know, if that can scare be an 214 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:03.559 encounter that you know left few a little scared. We'll 215 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:04.360 say terrified. 216 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:09.200 Oh, I've had several of those. I can tell one. 217 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:12.440 I'm not sure which book that's in. I call it 218 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:16.759 the Thing and the Culvert. I'd been out, I'd been 219 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:20.120 out fishing, you know, farm pond, hopping from one place 220 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:24.000 to another, and I decided i'd come back through this area. 221 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:25.559 It was getting close to dark, and there was a 222 00:12:25.600 --> 00:12:28.399 big valley and there was a creek down in there, 223 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:32.639 and the creek split into two. And they they used 224 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:34.480 to have, like the county had went in there, like 225 00:12:34.559 --> 00:12:38.120 slurried concrete through these creek and it was like a 226 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:41.320 low water crossing. You could drive through it. And it 227 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:43.840 was that of way for years. Well, they finally had 228 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:48.519 come in there and built these big concrete coverts. So 229 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:51.799 the creek ran through the boxes and they were big. 230 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:54.879 There was like a there were like a two barrel 231 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:58.679 box and they were like eight by ten something, you know, 232 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:02.320 they were big boxes. And I had been there several 233 00:13:02.399 --> 00:13:05.440 times since they had put these coverts in, and I 234 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:08.200 would like stand on the wing wall, you know, the 235 00:13:08.360 --> 00:13:11.320 headwall goes across and then the wing wall slopes down 236 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:13.519 and I could stand on that wing wall and I 237 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:16.120 could flip up plastic worm back up in that box 238 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:19.600 and I would catch like a little creek bash, you know, 239 00:13:19.759 --> 00:13:22.000 pounds and a half and just have all kinds of fun. 240 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:25.240 So it was it was close to dark, and I 241 00:13:25.240 --> 00:13:28.600 thought I got time to stop there and make six 242 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:30.960 or eight cast or whatever before I had on out. 243 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:34.799 So I stop and I get in there, and I 244 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:37.720 walked down about halfway down the wing wall, and I 245 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:41.919 flipped this plastic worm back up in there, and sure enough, boy, 246 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:43.639 I get me a little little creek bash, you know, 247 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:46.440 about a pound or whatever. So I toss him back 248 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:51.799 and I flip up in there again, and I feel 249 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:55.000 something heavy on it, you know. So I set the hook, 250 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:57.519 but it doesn't move, and I'm like, oh, man, I'm 251 00:13:57.600 --> 00:14:00.879 hung up on something. So I'm pulling and pulling, and 252 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:03.360 I tightened the drag a little bit

and I'm pulling, 253 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:06.159 thinking I can get it loose. And I walked down 254 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:08.279 the room wall a little bit more and was pulling, 255 00:14:08.279 --> 00:14:12.360 and it just starts pulling away from me. And I'm thinking, man, 256 00:14:12.399 --> 00:14:15.279 I got a big old snapping turtle or something, cause 257 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:18.679 it's just it's just weight pulling. And I'm thinking, man, 258 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:21.320 whatever it is, it's stout. And then about that time, 259 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:24.799 it just really starts going. I mean, my rod is 260 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:27.240 just throbbing. It's like trying to jerk the rod out 261 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:30.080 of my hand. And I go to loosen the drag 262 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:33.200 a little bit and the line just snaps. And then 263 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:35.720 I hear out the end of this box. I hear 264 00:14:36.840 --> 00:14:40.159 something running out of the box. I can hear splash, splash, splash, 265 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:43.320 splash splash. Think, oh, what the heck? So I run 266 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:46.519 up the wing wall to look over the road on 267 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:49.279 the other side, thinking maybe it's a I don't know, 268 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:51.200 I didn't know what it was. In my mind. Was 269 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:52.960 just like I was like, it was a deer in 270 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:56.159 the box. Never seen a deer, and you know, I 271 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:58.759 don't know, so and it was just dark enough. If 272 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:01.759 you was up on the rim it was still light, 273 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:06.279 but down in this valley it was just dang near 274 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:09.279 dark and all I could see was just a shape. 275 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:12.000 But I heard the splash flash flash, and when it 276 00:15:12.080 --> 00:15:15.399 left the creek that went to thud thud, thud, And 277 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:19.320 then there was a wall of willow trees over there. 278 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:22.799 And whatever this was, like I said, I just seen it, 279 00:15:23.320 --> 00:15:28.279 just a shapeless dark something. When it hit these willow trees, 280 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:30.559 it didn't even slow down. I mean, it just cloud 281 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:33.879 right through them, just left awake. They just shook, and 282 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:38.480 I thought, what the help. So I'd had some encounters 283 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:43.919 with something, you know, several times before, so and my 284 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:45.960 truck was right there. So I walked over there, and 285 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:49.480 I got a flashlight and a pistol, and this pistol 286 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:52.759 was at forty four mag I wanted to see what 287 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:55.679 this was. So I walked across the box, you know, 288 00:15:55.720 --> 00:15:58.039 across the road, and I'm shining my light down in there, 289 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:00.759 and I don't see anything. So I go down there 290 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:02.600 and I crawl over the fence, and I thought, well, 291 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:06.480 it left the creek. Maybe I can see a footprint. 292 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:08.279 So I over there at the creek and I can 293 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:11.279 see the grasses about knee high, and I can see 294 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:14.799 it looked like it was on two legs, because there 295 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:19.679 was like a depressed place in the grass, and then 296 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:21.519 there was another one and another one, and then it 297 00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:24.080 where it hit the willow trees. And I looked up 298 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:27.440 and the willow trees were like damaged. That broke like 299 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:31.120 seven foot high, and I'm like, okay, what the hell? 300 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:34.559 So then I looked back at the creek bank and 301 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:37.200 all I could see as far as a footprint was 302 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:38.879 right at the edge. And I don't even know if 303 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:41.279 that's what made it, but I'm guessing it was right 304 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:43.320 at the edge, like the muddy bank. It was about 305 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:45.679 a foot or about a foot above the water and 306 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:49.519 kind of sloped up and away from the water. There 307 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:52.960 was like a rake where something pose or something had 308 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:55.600 like raked in the mud, you know, it as it left. 309 00:16:56.559 --> 00:16:58.799 So but there was like I can only see like 310 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:03.399 three toes three great, you know whatever, Like I'm like, 311 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:06.079 what the hell? So then I turn around and I 312 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:09.680 look shine my light over in the box that whatever 313 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:14.200 this was ran out of, and the angle is is 314 00:17:14.359 --> 00:17:17.599 enough that I can see maybe a third of the wall. 315 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:21.279 And against the wall in this box is a lawn 316 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:25.119 chair and the water is deep enough it's like right 317 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:28.200 up to the seat. There's a lawn chair sitting against 318 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:30.880 the ind this box in the water. And I'm like, 319 00:17:31.960 --> 00:17:33.920 what what the hell? What what's that doing in there? 320 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:36.839 Did I hook a homeless man? Or and he what 321 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:38.960 was he doing? You know? My mind's just I'm like, 322 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:43.599 what what's going on? What you know? And I'm I'm thinking, 323 00:17:43.720 --> 00:17:46.720 I'm shining my light around looking for and up, and 324 00:17:46.759 --> 00:17:49.720 then all of a sudden, I noticed that it was 325

00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:53.920 just deathly silent. I'm at a at a creek with 326 00:17:54.039 --> 00:17:57.359 trees and knee high grass. I don't hear any frogs. 327 00:17:57.400 --> 00:18:01.480 I don't hear any creek crickets. And I'm thinking, I 328 00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:05.000 know what that means. That means when everything goes silent, 329 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:08.319 that means there's probably a predator around and it's not me. 330 00:18:09.400 --> 00:18:12.079 And I've got a forty four mag pistol, a Ruger 331 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:14.640 Super black Hawk with eleven and a half inch barrel, 332 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:18.839 and it didn't feel like it was enough gun, and 333 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:20.960 so I'm thinking, I need to get the heck out 334 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:23.799 of here. So I walked back over to the fence 335 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:27.240 and I'm looking behind me into the willows, and I'm thinking, 336 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:29.079 you know, if there is something in there watching me, 337 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:31.559 and it really wants to get me, it's gonna wait 338 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:35.000 until I'm like half over this fence, and that's when 339 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:37.680 it's gonna So I probably set the world record for 340 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:41.039 getting over a barbed wire fence. I mean, I but 341 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:43.519 nothing happened, and you know, and I left, but I 342 00:18:43.559 --> 00:18:46.079 don't know what that was, but. 343 00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:50.240 There was something there. You know, I've heard of three 344 00:18:50.319 --> 00:18:52.599 toe creatures before. That's not the first time. 345 00:18:53.839 --> 00:18:56.079 It may have had more toes, but only three rate, 346 00:18:56.519 --> 00:18:58.720 you know, maybe the big toe and I don't know, 347 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:02.079 whatever it was, I could just see looked like three 348 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:04.440 toes at raped. Maybe the others did. I don't know. 349 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:07.039 I don't even know if that's what did it. 350 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:10.119 But and if you were able to give it a 351 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:14.720 size as to like the size of the footprint, what 352 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:16.920 would you gauge that at. 353 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:21.000 It's really hard to say. I mean the depressions were 354 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:26.200 probably over a foot probably, you know, they were over 355 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:31.160 a foot probably six inches wide, maybe fourteen fifteen inches long, 356 00:19:31.240 --> 00:19:34.319 you know, just kind of there was nothing there for 357 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:37.279 any definition. The grass was just mashed for whatever it was, 358 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:41.400 you know, something heavy stepped on it, and like I said, 359 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:44.759 it looked like two legs because I could see three 360 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:47.720 or four places, you know, where it had stepped step step, 361 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:50.079 and then it hit the trees and I didn't go 362 00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:53.920 into the willows. I was thinking about it. But then 363 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:58.039 I was like, you know, about the time I thought 364 00:19:58.039 --> 00:20:00.680 about it, when I noticed how quiet it was out there, 365 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:03.440 which was not normal, and I'm like, yeah, I think 366 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:05.440 I need to leave. 367 00:20:06.519 --> 00:20:09.000 And I'm sure most of the people listening and watching 368 00:20:09.119 --> 00:20:12.200 like why didn't you go? But I don't blame you one, 369 00:20:13.839 --> 00:20:14.000 you know. 370 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:17.759 And I had a very large pistol, but it just 371 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:21.440 didn't feel like it was enough gun. And I have 372 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:24.200 no idea what that was, you know, I didn't. All 373 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:28.160 I seen was the just a dark shape and it 374 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:30.640 it was just an instant, just a and then it 375 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:34.519 hit them willows and it was gone, at least gone 376 00:20:34.519 --> 00:20:38.400 as far as I could see, you know, I don't know. 377 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:42.839 And I went back to that place many times after that, 378 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:45.039 and I never saw Like the next time I went 379 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:48.279 was like three or four nights later, and I drove 380 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:50.440 out there and the lawn chair was gone. Now maybe 381 00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:54.359 it got worshed away, but that just made it all 382 00:20:54.440 --> 00:20:57.359 the stranger. The box of whatever this was or whoever 383 00:20:57.400 --> 00:21:00.160 it was ran out of had a lawn chair up 384 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:02.640 against the wall like somebody had been setting there. I'm like, 385 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:06.480 what what is that? What does that have anything to 386 00:21:06.519 --> 00:21:09.720 do with? I don't know. I mean, it was weird. 387 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:13.559 All at all. It definitely was weird. What was like 388 00:21:13.599 --> 00:21:15.519 the water temperature? Was it cold? 389 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:17.839 Was the water of summer time? And it was summertime? 390 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:21.160 Okay, okay, so it wasn't do necessarily cold. 391 00:21:21.640 --> 00:21:26.759 Yeah, it was probably still late on high eighties probably, 392 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:28.200 I mean it was warm. 393 00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:31.640 Okay, okay, but middle of the night though as well. Right, 394 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:32.440 so it was pretty late. 395 00:21:32.599 --> 00:21:34.039 Well, I mean, it wasn't middle of the night. It 396 00:21:34.079 --> 00:21:37.759 was like getting dark, Like it was dark pretty much 397 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:40.200 by the time I left. It was good and dark 398 00:21:40.279 -->

00:21:43.240 down in the down in that valley, and the time 399 00:21:43.279 --> 00:21:46.279 I got to the top, it was the sun was 400 00:21:46.359 --> 00:21:49.920 just barely showing over the horizon in the west and 401 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:53.440 I was going from east to west through this place. 402 00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:57.720 It's really cool place, but it was creepy after that 403 00:21:57.799 --> 00:21:58.960 every time I went in there. 404 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:02.680 Yeah, I don't blame you having that feeling, you know. 405 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:06.200 And if you hooked a homeless man, he would have 406 00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:08.519 yelled out someone somebody would have yelled. 407 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:11.759 Like hey, you know. That crossed my mind too. Why 408 00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:15.519 didn't he say something? Why just run off? I don't know. 409 00:22:16.680 --> 00:22:18.960 Yeah, that was it was something else. It was no 410 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:22.640 homeless man. It was some sort of beast or creature 411 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:24.319 that we just don't know. 412 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:27.799 So it could be whatever we wanted to be, I guess, 413 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:31.799 because I really don't know what it was. Yeah, I really, 414 00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:35.680 it was just strange. The whole thing, the whole night 415 00:22:35.799 --> 00:22:39.279 was strange. And anyway, I. 416 00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:44.119 Just so continue with that topic of strange. Well, let's 417 00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:47.599 hit another one. Uh what is next in the barrel here? 418 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:55.960 Let's see we could hit that pterodactyl one that you know, 419 00:22:55.960 --> 00:22:57.599 we could we could talk about those ones. 420 00:22:58.359 --> 00:23:04.480 Okay. I guess I was fortunate to have some I 421 00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:10.000 call him quirky friends and who most of them were 422 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:12.640 in some of these stories. And there was one particular 423 00:23:14.799 --> 00:23:19.400 buddy of mine named Dale, and he was had lots 424 00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:22.599 of adventures with Dale, and he was something else, but 425 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:24.880 he was always ready to load if I wanted to 426 00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:27.160 go do something, I could always if I could get 427 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:29.200 ahold of him and needs say shirt, and he would 428 00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:33.799 load up and we would go. And one night we 429 00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:38.640 were You think I would learn at some point night fishing, 430 00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:42.599 you know, that seems to be when all this weird 431 00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:46.079 stuff would happen to me, But I would. We were 432 00:23:46.119 --> 00:23:49.880 fishing on a creek, Buffalo Creek and Harper County, Oklahoma, 433 00:23:50.839 --> 00:23:54.519 and on a sandbar, and we had us a campfire 434 00:23:54.599 --> 00:23:57.480 built and we had a couple

of rods thrown out 435 00:23:57.480 --> 00:24:01.880 and all we were catching was bullheads, yellow cat, mud cat. 436 00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:04.720 They know, they've got different names there. That's all we 437 00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:09.240 were catching, and we were talking about going someplace else 438 00:24:09.359 --> 00:24:13.440 or going home, and all of a sudden, something started 439 00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:18.920 dive bombing us. And I never saw saw it, but 440 00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:21.359 you could hear it. You could hear the wings and 441 00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:24.519 you could feel the air being displaced off the wings. 442 00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:27.240 I mean, this thing was diving close to us, and 443 00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:29.839 we were ducking and trying to look up. And I 444 00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:32.119 looked one time and I seen a shadow from the 445 00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:36.480 campfire on the brush and the tamaracks at the edge 446 00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:38.920 of the creek, and it looked huge. All I could 447 00:24:38.920 --> 00:24:41.519 see was wings, you know, but you know how shadows 448 00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:45.519 are exaggerated. You can't tell. But Dale floor it was 449 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:48.279 a pterodactyl. He's like, it's a pterodactyl. I me cat. 450 00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:52.279 So whatever it was, it didn't want us there, so 451 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:55.640 we left. We grabbed our stuff, kicked the fire out, 452 00:24:55.759 --> 00:24:59.960 and we left. And like I said, I never saw 453 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:02.720 when we and this thing dive bombed us until we 454 00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:06.079 got off the sandbar and we're leaving the creek, and 455 00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:09.279 then it left us alone, whatever it was, And like 456 00:25:09.279 --> 00:25:10.039 I said, I never. 457 00:25:10.119 --> 00:25:13.799 Yeah, how long was that whole ordeal of it? Dive 458 00:25:13.839 --> 00:25:14.319 bombing you. 459 00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:20.599 And then finally probably probably five seven minutes. It was 460 00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:25.759 just continuous, I mean discontinuous, like it was come down 461 00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:28.480 and swoop down, dive bomb us, and then it was gone, 462 00:25:28.519 --> 00:25:30.920 and then here it come again. You know, maybe there 463 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:33.000 was more than one. I don't know. Whatever it was, 464 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:38.119 he swore to the day he died that it was 465 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:41.960 a pterodactyl. I'm like time on well as if that 466 00:25:42.119 --> 00:25:46.000 wasn't strange enough. That same night, we're we're we've had enough. 467 00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:50.400 Were we leave the creek and we're going home. We're 468 00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:54.559 in my truck and I'm driving down a lonely, dark 469 00:25:55.279 --> 00:26:00.519 dirt country road and I topped this little rise and 470 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:04.599 down at the bottom of

this little rise there's a 471 00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:08.240 flat area, wheat fields on both sides, no houses, no vehicles. 472 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:11.319 There's a lady standing right at the edge of the road. 473 00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:15.920 She was all dressed in white, like an ankle length 474 00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:21.279 from the neck to like her ankles. This white. It 475 00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:24.880 reminded me of if you ever saw the old TV 476 00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:29.000 show Little House on the Prairie, the girls used to 477 00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:31.440 put on those white night dresses when they climbed up 478 00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:32.799 in a loft to go to bed. That's what it 479 00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:37.960 reminded me of at the time. It didn't really look thin, 480 00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:42.079 you know, it looked like it was and I can't remember, 481 00:26:42.279 --> 00:26:45.480 I can't remember if it had sleeves. But this lady 482 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:48.559 had long, dark hair, and her hair hung over her 483 00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:52.400 face where you couldn't really see her face. It was 484 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:56.880 just hanging in, you know, just dark strands. And so 485 00:26:56.920 --> 00:26:59.279 I move over a slow way down and as we 486 00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:03.359 go by, she just kind of turns and watches us. 487 00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:06.839 And I go by maybe two vehicle links, and I stopped, 488 00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:10.440 and my buddy is this dale. He's just freaking out. 489 00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:12.759 He's like, what are you doing. I'm like, well, I 490 00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:14.920 want to check on her, you know, what's she doing 491 00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:16.759 out here in the middle of the night by herself. 492 00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:19.279 And he's like, don't do it. Get out of here. 493 00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:21.799 And I put it in reverse and back up, and 494 00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:25.519 I back up four or five truck links and she's 495 00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:30.359 just gone. She's not there. So I get out and 496 00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:34.000 I look and I hauler, you know, hey, you need 497 00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:35.960 some help, you know. And I walked to the fence 498 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:40.559 on both sides and it's just wheat field and she 499 00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:44.200 she's just nowhere around. I'm like, where the hell did 500 00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:47.279 she go? She was right here and I couldn't see 501 00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:52.119 her climbing over the fence in that long dress, you 502 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:56.400 know whatever it was. Where's she go? It was just strange. 503 00:27:57.039 --> 00:27:59.079 So I get back in the truck and Dale's like, 504 00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:01.720 get let's get out of here. I'm like, I'm for that. 505 00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:05.440 I'm with you now, brother. So we're driving back to 506 00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:08.160 town and we get into town and I said, I'm 507 00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:10.440 gonna go up to the Sheriff's office and report that. 508 00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:14.279 And he's like, well, they're gonna think you're you're crazy. 509 00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:16.359 And I said no, they're gonna think we're crazy because 510 00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:19.559 you're going with me. He's like, I know, and I said, no, 511 00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:22.640 you're going with me. So we go in the Sheriff's 512 00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:26.720 office and the dispatcher lady was there, and so I 513 00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:29.240 started telling her this story and she's just listening with 514 00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:33.119 you know, rapt attention. She's listening to me, and she's like, so, 515 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:34.839 what do you want us to do? And I said, well, 516 00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:38.880 I'm kind of wondering and worried about her. What's she 517 00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:41.000 doing out there? What happened to her? Where's she go? 518 00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:44.200 And a deputy walked out from the back back there 519 00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:47.079 and he was listening, and he says, I'll go check 520 00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:48.680 on her. Where was this? So I tell him where 521 00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:52.640 it was at? Okay, So he leaves, and as soon 522 00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:55.200 as he walked out the door, the dispatchered lady looks 523 00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:57.880 at us and she says, you aren't the first people 524 00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:01.720 to report seeing her. I'm like what. He's like, Yes, 525 00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:05.519 We've had several people come in and report they've seen 526 00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:09.559 this lady in white standing beside the road kind of 527 00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:14.200 in that same area. And I'm like really, She's like yeah, 528 00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:16.920 and she says, uh, I think we had to think. 529 00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:18.640 She said they had a deputy go out and check 530 00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:22.119 one time and didn't find her. But anyway, I'm like, okay, 531 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:25.240 I said what it was just weird. There was nowhere 532 00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:28.720 for her to go where she get off to, you know? 533 00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:34.519 So I take Dale home. He worked up the local 534 00:29:34.599 --> 00:29:36.720 Chevy garage. So a couple of days later, a couple 535 00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:41.440 of evenings later, I meet up with Dale and he says, 536 00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:43.839 you hear anything back from the Sheriff's office. I'm like, no, 537 00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:47.160 did you know? He said? But I was telling the 538 00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:51.599 guys at the garage that story, and they say that 539 00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:55.480 lady was a ghost. I'm like a ghost, and he 540 00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:58.839 said yeah. They they even have a name for Mona 541 00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:03.359 of the planes. And I'm like really,

and he's like yeah. 542 00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:06.119 They say that she was some pioneer lady that like 543 00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:08.960 her family was killed by planes Indians and she was 544 00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:12.039 like raped and tortured and her tongue cut out, and 545 00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:14.400 they say her ghost haunts that area out there, and 546 00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:18.000 they say at night, on still night, you could hear 547 00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:21.319 her out there moaning out in the out on the 548 00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:26.000 prairie out there, and I'm like really and they said yeah. 549 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:28.200 He was like, yeah, that I might get out of 550 00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:31.799 here ghosts. And he's like, well, where's she go? And 551 00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:33.559 I'm like, I don't know where she went? He said, 552 00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:37.240 so she was a ghost. Well, I never really believed 553 00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:39.240 in ghosts. I don't know if I do now, but 554 00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:43.559 I don't have another explanation. So that's as good as any. 555 00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:47.640 But as it was weird. But after I and it 556 00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:51.279 was years later, there was a fellow named Mac and 557 00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:54.599 he kind of grew up out in that area and 558 00:30:55.880 --> 00:31:00.200 I was he was telling somebody about this ghost one 559 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:02.400 of the planes, and bohy, I'm listening and I'm telling 560 00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:07.720 him and he's like, oh, yeah, yeahs I've seen her. 561 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.920 My brother's seen her, and I'm like seriously, and he goes, 562 00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:14.920 oh yeah, And so I tell him the story and 563 00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:16.799 he says, well, it's a good thing you stopped. I 564 00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:20.440 said it is. He goes yeah, because they say if 565 00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:25.880 you don't stop, she'll appear in your back seat. I'm like, well, 566 00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:28.039 she better know how to drive. She appears in my 567 00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:30.680 back seat because I'm getting out, she gonna have it. 568 00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:34.680 I'm leaving. But I wrote that story, and I can't 569 00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:38.480 tell you how many people have read the story or 570 00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:40.599 heard me talk about it, like at a book signing 571 00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:44.839 or something. I mean, dozens and dozens of people have 572 00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:51.079 either seen the same lady or knew somebody who's seen it, 573 00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:55.319 Like I had a lady, you know, my dad seeing her, 574 00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:58.000 or my mom and dad seen her together. My brother 575 00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:02.200 saw her. And my cousins just lived a few miles 576 00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:04.559 from there, grew up on the family farm out there. 577 00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:08.440 And

I asked cousin Sherman about it, and he's like, oh, yeah, 578 00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:10.039 we heard that story, but we just thought that was 579 00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:12.559 a story that everybody told their girlfriends when we were 580 00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:15.279 out parking, you know, to get them to you know, 581 00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:18.400 snuggle up a little closer. But he said, I didn't 582 00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:20.440 know that was the thing. And I said, well, I'd 583 00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:25.160 never heard it until right after it happened. But apparently 584 00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:30.039 dozens and dozens of people had encountered this ghostly lady 585 00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:34.200 and white out in that area. You know, I had 586 00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:35.039 no idea. 587 00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:38.880 That's that's incredible, you know, And I was telling you earlier, 588 00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:41.039 I said that there is that same type of legend 589 00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:46.480 here in Mexico for Latroona. Who is the lady in white, 590 00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:49.119 the moaning lady as well? That she is, but it's 591 00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:51.079 for a different reason. It's because she killed her children, 592 00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:55.559 and so she's like wailing my children, my children. 593 00:32:56.480 --> 00:33:01.279 But wow, maybe I always figured there were Where did that? 594 00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:02.759 You know, I've been trying to figure out where'd that 595 00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:06.200 story come from? You know, in that area in northwest Oklahoma. 596 00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:10.799 Did somebody see that? I mean, how did they? You know? 597 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:12.880 Where'd that story come from? You know, I guess there's 598 00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:17.279 been people here since before the land run, but and 599 00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:21.359 I guess this happened before that or or right after that. 600 00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:25.240 I don't know, but somehow or rather that story was 601 00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:30.359 passed down or invented, who knows. But it's just creepy 602 00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:34.279 and we definitely saw her. And I've had people ask 603 00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:38.200 me if if she looked like an apparition that could 604 00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:42.559 was she like translucent? And no, she looked solid to me. 605 00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:46.000 I mean, she looked like a real lady standing there. 606 00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:49.079 But there was something off about her. And my my 607 00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:55.119 buddy Dale knew immediately there was something off. His alarm 608 00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:57.680 bells were like ringing. He was like, dope, what are 609 00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:03.680 you doing? It was, but I, I guess I'm just 610 00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:07.640 curious sometimes to a fault. I want to know. I 611 00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:11.440 thought she was really a lady in trouble, you know, 612 00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:13.239 or something needed help. 613 00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.079 I applaud you for that. You know, it's a I 614 00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:19.000 think that's, you know, quite chivalrous of you, that I'm 615 00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:21.599 going to help this lady. I think, you know, more 616 00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:28.320 people need to be like that. Now, was she was 617 00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:31.880 there any sounds? Was she like? Was she moving okay? 618 00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:35.079 And was she The only movement was like that slow 619 00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:38.000 turn and she didn't turn just her head. It is 620 00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:40.639 like her whole torso turned and watched us, you know, 621 00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:44.079 as we drove by very slow, like ten mile an hour, 622 00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:47.480 you know, and then the dust came past us when 623 00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:52.280 I stopped, and then I started backing up and then 624 00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:55.519 she was just she wasn't there, she was gone, and 625 00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:58.320 I'm like she didn't have time to go anywhere, and 626 00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:03.280 especially wearing white. You know, we just the whole thing 627 00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:06.000 was just odd. It was just weird, and. 628 00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:14.280 I wonder if it has immediately like the the large Okay, 629 00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:19.840 so what he thought was a pterodactyl, there is a possibility. 630 00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:23.719 Probably this was probably two and a half three miles 631 00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:26.519 down the road from where we pulled into this creek. 632 00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:30.960 So I'm wondering if there was like a connection of that. 633 00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:34.800 Not necessarily, I'm not doubting that you guys saw something. 634 00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:37.360 Maybe it wasn't a pterodoxyl. Maybe he thought it was. 635 00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:41.079 Maybe it was a huge owl. And I don't mean 636 00:35:41.079 --> 00:35:43.719 a regular sized owl, I mean a giant owl. There 637 00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:47.000 is a lot of stories that are associated with owls 638 00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:49.800 and other paranormal activities that go on. 639 00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:55.119 Well you know, I mean there are several species of 640 00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:58.960 large owls in the area, and you know, barn owls, 641 00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:03.840 bar owls, even an occasional great horn. Now those are 642 00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:06.760 not very common, but the bar now and the bar 643 00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.719 dows are are. We see those, and there's a few 644 00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:13.480 other smaller ones and they're big birds. And really that 645 00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:15.719 was really the only thing that I could think of 646 00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:20.519 that would be flying around at night. I mean, even 647 00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:23.880 a sand hill crane, I

wouldn't think, you know, that's 648 00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:26.760 a big bird. But I'm not. 649 00:36:26.599 --> 00:36:30.880 Talking about those owls though, rob like they're and yes, 650 00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:33.239 there are those hours and they are big, but I'm 651 00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:38.880 talking there's la la chouosa is a type of owl 652 00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:44.039 associated with like as well, that kind of owl woman 653 00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:47.920 actually like the legs of a woman in the upper 654 00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:50.039 body of an owl. I think that's the way it goes. 655 00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:52.039 But it's it's it's like that. 656 00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:54.280 But there's where's that story? 657 00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:57.800 Preple Mexico, Mexico as well. But there's a lot of 658 00:36:57.840 --> 00:36:59.719 like the Navajo legends, you know, I talked to a 659 00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:02.519 lot of I have some good friends from Don't Whistle 660 00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:06.199 at Night podcast and they talk about these large owls, 661 00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:09.880 sometimes four foot five foot tall. You know, it's just 662 00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:11.960 standing there, not wingspans, standing there. 663 00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:17.840 The only thing is that it wasn't an owl, and 664 00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:19.760 I got I wish Dale was still around where I 665 00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:23.719 coet asking, But for him to think it was a pterodactyl, 666 00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:25.960 I would have thought that he had seen a beak 667 00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:28.480 you know what, But I don't know. 668 00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:30.880 Yeah, very much, very much, and I and I don't 669 00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:33.480 want to take that away from from out his memory 670 00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:33.840 or anything. 671 00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:35.760 I Like, I say, all I seen was the shadow. 672 00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:39.679 So whatever it was, it was big, and it didn't 673 00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:43.880 want us there, and obviously so we left. And then 674 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:48.599 like literally fifteen minutes later, we see this lady in 675 00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:52.119 white standing beside the road. What the heck? It was 676 00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:55.400 crazy night, and then to find out that other people 677 00:37:55.440 --> 00:38:01.159 had seen her made it just even more odd strength weird. 678 00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:04.480 I'm assuming that no one else had seen her and 679 00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:06.400 had been dive bombed by. 680 00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:09.039 Not that I've ever heard. I've never heard anybody else 681 00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:14.039 say they had seen a pterodactyl, so that one was 682 00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:17.559 kind of unique for us, I guess, at least in 683 00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:20.480 this area. But I have heard of them seeing them 684 00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:24.719 south and east of here around Canton Lake. I have 685

00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:28.960 heard reports of them seeing something like that around there, 686 00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:32.679 and that's about hour and a half probably from where 687 00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:37.159 Dale and I, or where Dale saw it. I never 688 00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:42.480 really All I seen was the shadow, but it was big. 689 00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:44.960 And I would not expect that. I would not put 690 00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:47.119 it past that if these are as big as they are, 691 00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:49.320 you know, for it to fly. You know, you say 692 00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:50.719 it's an hour and a half away, but for them 693 00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:53.880 to fly up on the currents, that is not that far. 694 00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:58.039 And my one previous guest that I had, Jacob Guerra, 695 00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:02.000 he talks about these things and he believes them to 696 00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:05.760 be nocturnal. He actually thinks that they possibly have some 697 00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:09.599 sort of glowing appendage, like you know, something on their tails, 698 00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:12.880 glowing to be like an attractant kind of if you 699 00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:16.599 think of like the angler fish in how they have 700 00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:18.800 like the little glowing little thing that attracts the prey. 701 00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:22.920 He actually has heard a lot of stories of these 702 00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:27.800 creatures having some sort of bioiluminescence on them. It's not 703 00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:30.320 like it has a light attached to it, but it 704 00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:33.199 is an organic type of natural producing light that he 705 00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:36.039 actually believes and he thinks that, you know, from all 706 00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:38.400 the research he's done, he actually believes that a lot 707 00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:39.599 of them are nocturnal. 708 00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:43.599 Wow, well, I mean if this, like, I say, I 709 00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:47.239 have no idea. All I saw was the shadow, and 710 00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:53.039 I mean the shadow look like ten twelve feet, you know, 711 00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:55.920 but how shadows are exaggerated. The further away from the 712 00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:58.639 light source they are, the bigger it looked huge, and 713 00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:01.320 that was enough for me and him him yelling pterodactyl. 714 00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:02.880 I'm like, let's get the heck out of it. So 715 00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:07.280 we did, and we thought that was it until fifteen 716 00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:11.199 minutes later there's this lady standing down there. So but 717 00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:13.719 like say, Dale, we I had, you know, lots of 718 00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:15.800 adventures with Dale. He's the one that was with me. 719 00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:21.760 I was telling you earlier the last story where these 720 00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:24.199 guys tried to kidnap the murderous that was Dale that 721 00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:26.960 was with me that day. I had lots of adventures 722 00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:39.480 with Dale. He his mom. Dale's no longer with us. 723 00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:42.920 We hit Dale's mom. She is so appreciative of me 724 00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:46.800 telling stories of stuff that happened to Dale, and I 725 00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:51.320 was kind of keeping him alive. And some of them 726 00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:54.039 she has heard. Some of them she had heard and forgot. 727 00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:59.679 And on one story with Dale and I, I was 728 00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:02.599 actually playing golf with a buddy of mine named Keith, 729 00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:07.599 and this golf course was a little nine whole country 730 00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:10.800 golf course and it's no longer even there. A wildfire 731 00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:14.239 came through there several years after this happened, and they 732 00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:17.519 just never built the golf course back. But Keith and 733 00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:22.679 I were over there playing and we teed off and 734 00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:25.400 you hit over a hill and he, of course he 735 00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:28.400 strapped his right down the middle, and I sliced mine, 736 00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:30.840 and he said, oh, that's probably in the water. So 737 00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:33.559 we get down there. Sure enough, there's water coming out 738 00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:37.480 past the fence and there's like a little pond, and 739 00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:42.920 there there's this great, big, old two story house. And 740 00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:47.320 this house you could tell forty fifty years ago was 741 00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:50.480 a mansion. It had like a verandah on the back 742 00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:53.519 with columns and a porch, and then it had some 743 00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:56.159 stairs that went down to a dock, little dock that 744 00:41:56.360 --> 00:41:59.559 was went out onto the pond. And I get out 745 00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:01.599 and I'm looking for my ball, and I'm looking over 746 00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:03.480 here at this house and I see I look after 747 00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:07.280 it's pawned, and this looks like I see circles, looks 748 00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:11.199 like toilets flushing like big bass or sucking in you know, 749 00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:14.480 when I'm thinking wow. So I asked Keith, I said, 750 00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:16.679 do people fish over there? And he goes, oh, yeah, 751 00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:19.159 I see people fishing. I said, well, how do they 752 00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:20.639 get in there? Do they? And he goes, oh, there's 753 00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:22.360 a county road over there on the other side of 754 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:25.199 paved county road. They park over there and walk in. 755 00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:27.360 I'm like, well, who owns that?

And he's I don't know, 756 00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:30.320 he said, but I see people fishing there all the time. 757 00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:32.800 And I said, well we get done when we go 758 00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:35.480 back to town, let's grab our rods and come back 759 00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:37.639 out here. We'll have thirty minutes or so to fish 760 00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:39.280 for a little bit. You know, that was just how 761 00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:42.800 I was. Thirty minutes. That was plenty of time for me. 762 00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:45.599 And he's like, no, no way. And he was not 763 00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:49.039 really an outdoorsman. He didn't really hunt or fish. He 764 00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:51.800 liked a recreational shoot. And we did that and we 765 00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:55.039 played golf and I'm like, come on, man, we'll just 766 00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:58.360 and he's like, now, not me. He said, they're too 767 00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:00.920 too many weird stories about that place. And I'm like, 768 00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:04.239 weird stories. He goes, oh yeah, you hear all kinds 769 00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:06.639 of things, he said, people out here playing golf said, 770 00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:08.039 they look over we're at the house and they see 771 00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:11.840 the curtains in the windows move. I'm like, okay, that 772 00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:15.000 could be like a draft. That's an old place, you know, 773 00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:18.239 wind's blowing, curtains moved, and he goes, yeah, but that's 774 00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:22.639 not all they say. The place is haunted, and people 775 00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:28.559 swear that they've seen like shadow figures and like all black, 776 00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:33.000 demon like things with one horn on their head and 777 00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:35.440 one red eye in the middle of their forehead. And 778 00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:37.199 I might get out of here. He goes, I haven't 779 00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:39.519 seen it, That's just what I hear. And I said, 780 00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:41.360 but I ain't coming out here, you know, I'm not 781 00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:45.559 coming back close to dark forget it? Okay. So when 782 00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:49.480 I get back, I call up Dale and I say, hey, 783 00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:52.519 you want to go fishing this evening? Where at? So 784 00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:54.360 I tell you I want to see this little place 785 00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:57.400 over here by this golf course I was at earlier 786 00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:00.360 this afternoon. He's like, sure, all go, and I don't 787 00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:03.239 tell many of these creepy stories that Keith has told me. 788 00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:06.840 So we get there and it's like thirty minutes before dark, 789 00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:11.079 and we grab a rodden reel, you know, and we're 790 00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:14.079 out there throwing and we throw for like fifteen twenty 791 00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:17.000 minutes and we don't get a bite. And Dale's giving 792 00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:18.760 me the hard time. He's like, I thought you said 793 00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:20.519 there was fishing here. I said, well, it looked like 794 00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:23.159 they were hitting, you know when we were here earlier. 795 00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:26.199 I don't know what's going on. So he goes around me, 796 00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:31.000 around this big stand of cat tails and to my left, 797 00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:33.039 and I hear, you know, pretty soon, I hear him 798 00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:34.800 and say, oh, I got one. It's a good one. 799 00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:38.400 And I hear kind of some splashing, and I think, oh, 800 00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:41.440 and I'd throwed out. So I'm reeling back in and 801 00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:44.440 I hear him kind of grunting and man, it's a 802 00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:48.960 good man. And then I hear him start saying no, no, no, no, 803 00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:52.000 and then he just kind of screams like a little girl. 804 00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:55.800 And I hear him running, screaming eye and he's running away. 805 00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:59.000 I'm thinking he must have stepped on a snake or something. 806 00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:02.719 What's wrong with him? And it's just almost dark now, 807 00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:06.039 and I'm thinking, where'd that fool run off to. So 808 00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:09.519 I reel up and I walk around there, and I 809 00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:12.199 stumble over his rod. He just throwed his rod down 810 00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:14.760 and took off running. I'm thinking, well, he said he 811 00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:16.320 had a fish on it. So I pick it up 812 00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:18.840 and I start reeling in it and I see feel 813 00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:21.880 something pulling, and it's pulling and I'm pulling and then 814 00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:23.639 I hear something out in the water and I look 815 00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:27.360 and I see this red light under the water. I'm like, 816 00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:31.559 the heck, And then it comes towards me and it 817 00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:33.280 starts coming out of the water, and I see this 818 00:45:33.400 --> 00:45:39.280 big black figure and it looked like a solid black 819 00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:43.480 demon with one horn on his head and one big 820 00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:46.320 red light. And I'm backing up and I'm just about 821 00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:49.880 to throw the rod down and follow Dale screaming. In fact, 822 00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:51.920 I did throw the rod down and turned to run, 823 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:55.239 and a man's voice says, I think I scared your buddy. 824 00:45:56.119 --> 00:45:58.960 And I'm like, well, I stop, and I'm looking. This 825 00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:02.880 guy comes walking out. He's in a like a diving 826 00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:06.000 suit with a mask and a snorkel, and

he's got 827 00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:10.159 a headlamp on and he's dragging a fish basket and 828 00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:12.960 he comes up on the bank and his fish basket 829 00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:16.320 must have like a hundred golf balls in it. And 830 00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:20.800 I'm like, holy crap, dude, what And he's like, yeah, 831 00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:23.039 that guy he just took off running And I said, yeah, 832 00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:24.880 you scared the crap out of him, and me too. 833 00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:29.000 And I said what's with the red headlamp and he goes, oh, 834 00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:31.199 he just reached up and popped this red lins off 835 00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:34.280 of it. He said something about that red light just 836 00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:36.480 makes them golf balls just shine on the bottom of 837 00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:38.280 this pond. He said. I come out here and picked 838 00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:41.280 them up. He said, come out here, you know, once 839 00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:43.800 a month, and I just load up on golf ball 840 00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:45.480 and I haven't bought a golf ball for like a 841 00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:48.800 year and a half. And I'm thinking, geez, so and 842 00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:52.400 I'm looking and Dale had thrown his crank bait had 843 00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:55.920 hooked this guy's fish basket. So and so I get 844 00:46:55.960 --> 00:46:57.960 it all on the hooked, you know, and reeled up, 845 00:46:58.000 --> 00:46:59.639 and I said, I've got to go find my buddy. 846 00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:04.119 So I did you ever see the movie of Porky's 847 00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:07.719 years ago where the guy Kwee gets scared out of 848 00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:10.280 the house with the and the cops pass him on 849 00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:12.559 the road. He's running down the road. Well, that's what 850 00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:16.400 Dale was doing. I'm driving and he's half a mile 851 00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:18.599 down the road, still running, and I pull up, said 852 00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:20.920 get in, and he's like, man, there was some kind 853 00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:24.239 of damn demon creature or something with a red eye. 854 00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:26.719 He said, to hell with that place. And so I'm 855 00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:30.440 telling him it was a guy like scuba diving picking 856 00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:33.360 up golf balls, and he never did believe me. And 857 00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:36.159 then when I see Keith, I tell him the same thing. 858 00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:38.400 I don't think he believed me either, but I think 859 00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:42.800 that whole, the whole the stories that was going around 860 00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:46.159 was people seeing this guy out there in his in 861 00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:50.440 his black suit with his red head lamp picking up 862 00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:56.000 golf balls started the whole thing. But he scared the 863 00:47:56.119

--> 00:47:58.800 ever loving crap out of Dale and I both. But 864 00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:01.039 like I said, I was just ready to take off 865 00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:04.639 running the same route Dale took when this guy spoke. 866 00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:08.039 If he hadn't said something, I'd have been gone, just 867 00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:08.480 like Dale. 868 00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:11.920 But he's like, you would have contributed to those stories 869 00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:15.159 of there's this red eye, I would one horn and 870 00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:16.960 I'm assuming the one horn was the snork. 871 00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:19.800 Yeah, it was kind of on the side of his head. 872 00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:24.440 Crazy down. He pulled his mask off and his head 873 00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:30.519 lamp and I'm like, dude. 874 00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:32.320 Right, I wonder how many stories or experiences people have 875 00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:38.119 had and it's just that simple as some guy in 876 00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:40.280 a scuba suit with a red light on, you know, 877 00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:42.800 something like that. That's interesting. 878 00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:45.519 And like I say that, it was a few years 879 00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:49.320 later a wildfire came through there and just burnt that 880 00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:51.599 place all up and they never put the golf course 881 00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:54.159 back and it was only there maybe a couple of 882 00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:57.880 years anyway, I don't. I think it burnt thet burnt 883 00:48:57.880 --> 00:48:59.840 the old house when the fire comes through there. 884 00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:01.360 You know, I don't know. 885 00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:04.679 But now that was just one of them. I'm like, say, 886 00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:07.039 I tried to tell them the real story. They wouldn't 887 00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:11.679 believe me. Nope. And I'm like, this guy came out 888 00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:15.079 of the water. They was like, yeah, right, They'd much 889 00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:17.840 rather believe the scary, creepy craft than what the real 890 00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:20.400 you know, I guess what the. 891 00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:24.639 Real story was. I don't know where we go next 892 00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:27.199 with this one, Rob, Do we want to go into 893 00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:29.840 some sort of cryptid encounter or should we go into 894 00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:33.480 the kidnapping kidnapping one? Where would you like to go 895 00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:34.000 next with this? 896 00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:42.159 You know? I think the only actual cryptid that I 897 00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:44.280 that I know one hundred percent that I saw was 898 00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:50.440 a black panther And I don't know my buddy and 899 00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:54.519 I are it was Dale and I can't. Matter of fact, 900 00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:57.920 we're at a farm pond fishing, and this pond my 901 00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:02.039 cousin actually had this place leased. And there was like 902 00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:05.800 a well location of lease road that you drove in 903 00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:08.480 on a well location, and there was a creek right 904 00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:12.800 there between the well location and the pond, and if 905 00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:15.280 the creek was low, you could drive through it and 906 00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:17.320 drive right over there, real close to the pond. But 907 00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:20.920 it wasn't low a lot back then, so cousin and 908 00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:25.320 I had thrown a big bridge timber across the narrows 909 00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:27.920 so you could park on the location and just walk 910 00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:29.440 over the top of the creek and then up the 911 00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:31.840 hill and there was the pond. And that's what Dale 912 00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:34.599 and I had done that day. We'd park there at 913 00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:37.360 the location and went up there at the pond fishing. 914 00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:41.480 And we were fishing along and I get over to 915 00:50:41.559 --> 00:50:44.639 this one corner where I can look down the slope 916 00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:49.400 across the creek to the well location, and I see 917 00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:52.679 this big black cat laying on top of the tank battery, 918 00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:57.719 right like thirty forty feet from where we parked. This 919 00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:00.800 big black cat laying on top of the tank batteries, 920 00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:03.199 and he's just laying up there in the sun, tail 921 00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:06.039 swishing back and forth, and I'm like, damn, come here. 922 00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:09.679 And he comes over and he's like, holy crap, that's 923 00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:14.639 not exactly what he said. He we're watching this cap, 924 00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:16.800 you know. It was like, was that thing there when 925 00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:19.159 we came in. I don't know. I mean, we couldn't 926 00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:22.559 see from down there because those things are like fifteen 927 00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:26.239 twenty feet high, you know. A little. So about that 928 00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:30.360 time in comes another pickup and it's a it's a 929 00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:34.360 guy that we know from the same hometown, same area. 930 00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:37.880 He drives in. He drives across the well location and 931 00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:39.920 he gets right up to the creek and he stops, 932 00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:42.639 and we're thinking he's just going to park and get 933 00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:45.320 out and go walk over there to the bridge timber. 934 00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:47.679 But he doesn't. He backs up a little bit and 935 00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:49.760 tries to run through the creek while he gets stuck 936 00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:54.320 in the middle creek and he's he

he can't get 937 00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:57.559 he can't go, So he opens the door and he 938 00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:00.880 gets out, and he's banging around in the back of 939 00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:03.599 the truck bed, you know. And I guess that banging 940 00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:06.239 this cat jumped to his feet and it's looking at him. 941 00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:09.960 And then pretty soon he's banging around and he stops. 942 00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:12.519 He sees the cat when it jumps up. He's looking 943 00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:16.800 up and the cat just jumps off this tank battery, 944 00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:19.960 lands on the jyp pad out there, runs across and 945 00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:22.559 down in this draw well. Then pretty soon this guy 946 00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:24.519 comes walking up out of the creek. You know. Of 947 00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:28.960 course he's wet from like the above his waist, you know. 948 00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:31.400 And he's like, did you see that damn cat? Yeah, 949 00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:34.599 we've been standing up there watching it and there's a 950 00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:42.280 black panther. So I told the guy that I had 951 00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:44.360 known pretty much my whole life that worked for the 952 00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:48.559 Oklahoma Department of Wildlife. I told him about it. I said, 953 00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:50.559 we've seen this black panther. There's three of us, and 954 00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:53.159 he's like, night, there ain't no such a thing. My 955 00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:56.559 gather is we see this big black cat. And he's like, well, 956 00:52:56.599 --> 00:53:00.440 cougars can't be black. They don't have the melanistic to 957 00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:02.079 be black. And I'm like, I didn't say it was 958 00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:06.000 a cougar. It's just a big black cat. It was 959 00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:08.719 at least as big as a cougar. He's like, well, 960 00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:11.079 cougars can't be black. You guys seem like a dog, 961 00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:13.079 like a black lab. And I'm like, can a black 962 00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:15.719 lab jump to the top of a tank battery? There 963 00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:19.239 ain't a dog in the world can do that. And 964 00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:21.639 besides that, that was just insulting, Like the three of 965 00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:24.159 us didn't know the difference between a dog and a cat, 966 00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:28.360 especially a big and he said, well, then that was 967 00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:30.280 his next thing. Oh, it was probably like a little 968 00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:33.920 regular sized house cat. It was just bare I might know. 969 00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:39.679 This was a big I mean this thing was five 970 00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:42.880 foot long and it had like a three foot long 971 00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:47.199 tail and probably weigh two hundred pounds. I mean it 972 00:53:47.679 --> 00:53:51.079 was a big

black cat, a black panther. I didn't 973 00:53:51.079 --> 00:53:53.000 know what else to call it. He's like, Nah, there 974 00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:55.079 ain't no such thing. I'm like, I'm telling you well, 975 00:53:56.760 --> 00:53:59.320 and then I found out years later that, you know, 976 00:53:59.360 --> 00:54:02.320 people all of the state of Oklahoma, all over the country, 977 00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:04.719 all over the world, it's really prevalent over in England. 978 00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:09.760 People see these big black cats. I think you're We 979 00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:12.239 were talking before we went on the air about Doug 980 00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:15.360 Hijack and Monster Quest. I remember one of those shows 981 00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:18.000 was about the big black cats, and they were in 982 00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:23.360 Oklahoma doing part of that show. And I'm like, and 983 00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:25.760 of course that was years after we've seen this one. 984 00:54:26.360 --> 00:54:28.360 But yeah, I don't know what they are. I don't 985 00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:34.599 know whether they're there is a some kind of subspecies 986 00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:37.760 of cougar that they are black, or passing that gene on. 987 00:54:38.119 --> 00:54:41.000 They say it can't happen, but hell, for years they 988 00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:43.679 even denied the Mountain Lion. The cougars were in the state, 989 00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:46.880 you know, and everybody was seeing them. They'd been up 990 00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:49.000 and down that Cimarron River since I was a kid. 991 00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:52.159 Everybody knew they were there, but the wildlife departments had 992 00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:58.239 they're not. They're only in two counties, Cimarron and Lafleuur County, 993 00:54:58.360 --> 00:55:01.679 the far into the Panhandle and far southeastern in the mountains. 994 00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:07.239 Like yeah, okay, So there's the same government agency saying 995 00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:11.480 the black panthers don't Yeah, when those of us who've 996 00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:12.400 seen them no different. 997 00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:17.239 But no, wonder how many reports there are, you know, 998 00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:21.159 there has to be a statistical amount that they're able 999 00:55:21.199 --> 00:55:24.920 to say that, yeah, there's something going on and it's 1000 00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:29.079 just perhaps that they're separated. They're not giving that statistics 1001 00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:33.000 to you know, people working in the world. You think 1002 00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:33.840 that would trickle down. 1003 00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:36.000 I don't understand what the big secret is. 1004 00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:37.559 That's exactly. 1005 00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:42.800 Why not just say yeah, that there is some kind 1006 00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:45.440 of big black cat, maybe it's a cougar or whatever. 1007 00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:52.239

I've even seen like trail cam photos of people that's 1008 00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:56.440 seen cougars and these big black whatever they are. But 1009 00:55:56.639 --> 00:56:00.440 they say like a like a jaguar, or a leopards 1010 00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:03.280 that are black like you get in the daylight. When 1011 00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:05.199 they turn a certain way, you can see the spots 1012 00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:08.480 under the well. We never seen that. We never seen 1013 00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:11.639 that with this cat. But we weren't like super close 1014 00:56:11.679 --> 00:56:16.199 to it. But it was just jet black, I mean 1015 00:56:16.239 --> 00:56:19.639 as black as black can be. And it was at 1016 00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:20.800 least as big as a cougar. 1017 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:24.440 I was just about to ask the size reference. So 1018 00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:25.639 it was about the same size as. 1019 00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:30.639 I've seen cougars eight or ten times in my life, 1020 00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:33.199 and it was at least as big as the biggest 1021 00:56:33.199 --> 00:56:37.639 cougar that I've ever seen. Okay, from that in that distance, 1022 00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:42.320 I mean it was probably seventy five yards from us 1023 00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:46.800 from from where we were standing looking, so I mean 1024 00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:51.519 not super close, but not thousand yards or whatever, you know, 1025 00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:53.440 a corep of a mile away. We were close enough 1026 00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:56.599 we could see it was a big black cat of 1027 00:56:56.599 --> 00:57:00.400 some sort. But what species that is, I have no idea. 1028 00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:04.000 I mean it looked it looked shaped like a cougar. 1029 00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:08.599 It ran like a like a cat, you know, it 1030 00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:12.039 didn't run like a dog. There is a difference the 1031 00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:12.679 way they run. 1032 00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:16.239 Just a house cat rob just the house cat. You 1033 00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:16.960 can't tell the difference. 1034 00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:19.079 It's a well fed house cat. You know. When I 1035 00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:22.280 went back to that pond, God, I couldn't tell you 1036 00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:26.360 how many times after that. Always armed by the way, 1037 00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:30.440 and you know, and I was always I'm always one 1038 00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:33.239 of them guys that when I'm out there around a 1039 00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:36.599 water source, I'm looking for tracks to see because everything 1040 00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:41.960 that's living needs water, you know, so you always see 1041 00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:47.079 like coon, possum, cayo. Uh. I never saw a big 1042 00:57:47.159 --> 00:57:51.199 black cat print at that at that location. I've seen 1043 00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:55.440 big black big cat prints other places, but never there 1044 00:57:55.480 --> 00:57:58.079 where we saw the big black But there is a 1045 00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:00.119 creek that runs all the way through that proper, all 1046 00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:03.159 the way through that section of land up there, so 1047 00:58:03.400 --> 00:58:06.000 you know, there was plenty of water just up and 1048 00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:11.119 down the creek. So but I never saw any tracks 1049 00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:12.960 out in that around that pond. 1050 00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:17.840 It was just that's an enigma right there, you know, 1051 00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:20.679 is that too many, so many people are seeing these 1052 00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:23.480 so many confirmed sightings, and it's just. 1053 00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:28.079 We're not interested in hearing it. They just don't care. 1054 00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:32.079 They don't care for whatever reason. 1055 00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:35.079 They should care. That's their department. 1056 00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:38.440 Yeah, exactly, that was my theory. That's why I contacted 1057 00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:43.719 this childhood friend, you know, and I was telling him 1058 00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:47.119 about it. He's, eh, that's not what you saw. Yeah, 1059 00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:51.639 it was like you're telling me, I don't know the 1060 00:58:51.679 --> 00:58:55.519 difference between a dog and a cat, or between a 1061 00:58:55.559 --> 00:58:59.679 big cat and a house cat. I mean it jumped 1062 00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:04.559 off that tank, you know, fifteen twenty feet up, landed 1063 00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:06.920 on his feet and never broke stride and ran across 1064 00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:11.320 that location and down into that draw name was gone. 1065 00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:14.559 And all three of us seen it, you know, and 1066 00:59:14.599 --> 00:59:18.880 we were like, holy crap, that was a big black cat. 1067 00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:23.840 So they call them black panthers, you know, but certain 1068 00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:27.000 parts of the country cougars are called panthers too, So 1069 00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:30.599 I don't know. I don't know what species it was, 1070 00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:33.760 but it was big and black as black can get. 1071 00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:39.639 Even if someone had some species, you know, some panthers 1072 00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:43.440 and then they got out, like that's still a possibility. 1073 00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:47.760 Why wouldn't the wildlife officers or department be interested in 1074 00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:50.199 knowing that? Nonetheless, again, it's just this. 1075 00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:54.519 They did the same thing with just regular cougars for decades, 1076 00:59:55.800 --> 00:59:57.440 you know, it was the same thing. They were just 1077 00:59:57.480 --> 00:59:59.559 not interested. They just told people, you know, you don't 1078 00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:01.039 know what you know, you don't know what you're seeing. 1079

01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:04.960 And then finally they said, oh, yeah, there is a few, 1080 01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:07.199 you know, and they're like they're like they just moved 1081 01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:13.360 through the area. Well crap, I mean they're here. The 1082 01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:16.519 last one I seen was last year at a local lake, 1083 01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:18.920 walking down the middle of the road. My wife and 1084 01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:21.719 I seen it together. We turned onto this road to 1085 01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:23.960 go down in the stilling basin and there's this cougar. 1086 01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:26.639 He's probably a three quarter road cougar. He's maybe one 1087 01:00:26.679 --> 01:00:29.119 hundred pounds. I mean, there's a big cat, but you 1088 01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:32.079 could I could tell that it was a juvenile. It 1089 01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:36.199 wasn't fully grown, probably just been run off from mama man. 1090 01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:39.000 Walking down the middle of that road and I slowed 1091 01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:42.440 down and we're like twenty feet behind it, and all 1092 01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:45.079 of a sudden, it turns its head and sees we're there, 1093 01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:49.159 and it gone one jump clear off the road and 1094 01:00:49.239 --> 01:00:53.079 into the brush and it was gone. And my wife's like, 1095 01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:57.400 that was that a mountain lion. I'm like, yeah, right here, 1096 01:00:57.519 --> 01:00:58.639 like a mile from town. 1097 01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:03.559 And they're pretty elusive, So that's pretty, uh, pretty rare 1098 01:01:03.679 --> 01:01:05.719 to see one let alone. You think you said you've 1099 01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:10.480 seen four now you mentioned something earlier. Rob Okay Okay, 1100 01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:14.400 so you you had mentioned something earlier about this, and 1101 01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:16.119 I think you said it was with Dale as well, 1102 01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:20.480 a carnival or fair, some sort of experience. Now this 1103 01:01:20.559 --> 01:01:24.239 is not paranormal or cryptid, but this is kind of frightening. 1104 01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:27.480 No, this was a Dale and I we were probably 1105 01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:31.119 we were young, we were boys. We were probably thirteen, twelve, thirteen, 1106 01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:35.199 and we were at my grandma's house and she lived 1107 01:01:35.239 --> 01:01:39.840 right next to the elementary school, and we were out 1108 01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:44.519 in the in the yard and we heard this girl screaming. 1109 01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:50.519 So we look over there on the elementary school playground. 1110 01:01:50.599 --> 01:01:52.280 They had like a big they just put in this 1111 01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:57.239 big tornado slide over there, and this has been, you know, 1112 01:01:57.480 --> 01:02:02.920 fifty years ago. Those things were new back then. And 1113 01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:07.760 we see these two guys, two men, and my little 1114 01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:11.199 cousin Connie, who was maybe I mean if I was 1115 01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:16.519 twelve or thirteen, Connie's probably eight or nine. And there 1116 01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:20.000 was another another girl and these guys were like throwing 1117 01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:22.400 them up in the air and catching them and they 1118 01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:25.679 were just screaming, and I'm like, what who are those guys? 1119 01:02:25.719 --> 01:02:28.599 We didn't know who they were. So we walk over 1120 01:02:28.639 --> 01:02:31.679 there and say, hey, once you leave them alone, that's 1121 01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:35.400 my cousin. You know, leave them girls alone. You're scaring them. 1122 01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:39.400 And so these guys turn and they kind of confront us. 1123 01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:43.360 And they're not much bigger than we are. They're smallish guys, 1124 01:02:43.400 --> 01:02:46.599 but they're grown men. They've got full fled man beards. 1125 01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:49.960 And one guy was blonde headed and the other guy 1126 01:02:50.039 --> 01:02:52.320 was redheaded and wore glasses and they had kind of 1127 01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:56.239 long each hair. And this is probably seventy five, nineteen 1128 01:02:56.280 --> 01:03:00.719 seventy five or so. So while they're confronting us, I 1129 01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:03.360 kind of give the side eye to my cousin, like, 1130 01:03:03.400 --> 01:03:05.239 get out of here. So they her and the other 1131 01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:08.679 girl slip off and they take off running and they 1132 01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:11.400 get away. They get off the school property and their 1133 01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:14.760 head over to Grandma's house. When they're pitter pattern across 1134 01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:19.000 the street over there, these guys hear them, and this 1135 01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:22.000 blonde headed guy he runs through the fence like hey, 1136 01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:27.280 and he grabs this fence. You know how those chain 1137 01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:29.960 link fences they come up and they have those forks 1138 01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:33.440 you know, at the top, they're sharp. This guy just 1139 01:03:33.519 --> 01:03:36.519 grabs this fence and this does like a handstand on 1140 01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:38.840 it and flips over and lands on his feet and 1141 01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:41.639 by now the girls have got in Grandma's house. So 1142 01:03:41.719 --> 01:03:45.679 the guy comes back over the same way, and then 1143 01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:48.519 they tell us that, well, the girls got away, you 1144 01:03:48.559 --> 01:03:51.039 guys are going to have to take their place. I'm like, 1145 01:03:51.039 --> 01:03:54.440 what are you guys talking about? So we start trying 1146 01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:57.000 to talk to them, and one guy said, the blonde 1147 01:03:57.039 --> 01:04:00.239 guy said his

name was Blondie, and the red head 1148 01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:04.840 he was Panama A Red. Obviously not their real names. 1149 01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:07.360 I'm twelve thirteen years old. Obviously we know that's not 1150 01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:10.280 their real names. So these guys are talking to us 1151 01:04:10.320 --> 01:04:13.159 and we're like, who are you guys? What are you 1152 01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:21.039 doing there? And this blonde guy runs at us. He 1153 01:04:21.119 --> 01:04:24.679 tells the Panama a Red go get the car. So 1154 01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:27.199 he takes off and goes one way, and this blonde 1155 01:04:27.199 --> 01:04:28.920 guy is chasing us, and he had on like those 1156 01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:31.639 lace up work boots. Well Dale and I were just 1157 01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:34.519 out running. We run maybe one hundred yards and this 1158 01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:36.840 guy finally he stops and he was wearing like a 1159 01:04:37.199 --> 01:04:39.800 Both of them were wearing like a green, the old green, 1160 01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:43.599 like an army jacket, kind of kind of a khaki green. 1161 01:04:44.360 --> 01:04:46.199 And this guy sets down out in the middle of 1162 01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:49.400 the playground and starts unlasing his boots and we're thinking, 1163 01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:53.519 what's he doing. Well, he takes them boots off and 1164 01:04:53.639 --> 01:04:55.880 jumps up and chases us again, and let me tell you, 1165 01:04:56.679 --> 01:05:01.000 he was way faster without them work boots off. He 1166 01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:03.519 is catching us. We're running as hard as we can go, 1167 01:05:04.199 --> 01:05:06.719 and we fear apart, and he chases Dale down and 1168 01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:10.079 Taculty and he's holding he's holding down, got him by 1169 01:05:10.079 --> 01:05:13.039 the throat and he's and I had on a blue 1170 01:05:13.039 --> 01:05:15.719 shirt and this guy is telling me, he's telling Dale, 1171 01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:18.599 tell the boy in blue to come over here. So 1172 01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:23.199 and he's choking Dale. Dale's Dale is he's struggling, trying 1173 01:05:23.199 --> 01:05:24.840 to get away, and the guy's just choking the crap 1174 01:05:24.880 --> 01:05:27.039 out of me. So I get over there close and 1175 01:05:27.079 --> 01:05:29.280 I'm trying to man, leave him alone, let us go. 1176 01:05:29.960 --> 01:05:32.400 What's wrong with you? You know? And this guy he's like, 1177 01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:34.639 you're going with us. You let those girls get away, 1178 01:05:34.679 --> 01:05:37.639 You're going with us, Like what's going on here? So 1179 01:05:37.719 --> 01:05:41.320 I'm standing there and I and I'm thinking I got 1180 01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:44.519 to get Dale away from me. So I said, there's 1181 01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:46.800 paying them all red and he kind of turns and 1182 01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:49.639 kind of raises up on one knee a little bit 1183

01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:52.159 and he turned his head and I just give him 1184 01:05:52.159 --> 01:05:55.239 a big old shove and he sprawls out in the 1185 01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:57.599 dirt and I grab Dale. Come on, so we run. Well, 1186 01:05:57.599 --> 01:06:00.239 this guy is so fast. We're running like the back 1187 01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:03.760 to the cafeteria. He cuts us off and he's got 1188 01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:07.880 his corner and we're like, we can't get away. So 1189 01:06:07.920 --> 01:06:11.880 we're he's got us pinned up there against the against 1190 01:06:11.920 --> 01:06:14.440 the back of the cafeteria. At the cafeteria there there's 1191 01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:17.239 like a big stack of milk crates right there beside us. 1192 01:06:18.159 --> 01:06:20.840 And he backs us up against the wall and we're 1193 01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:22.760 like squaring off, thinking we're going to have to fight 1194 01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:27.800 this crazy guy, and uh Dale said something to him. 1195 01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:30.039 This guy just smacked him right in the head. Wham. 1196 01:06:30.199 --> 01:06:34.000 Dale like falls into those milk crates. You know. I'm like, dude, 1197 01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:37.679 leave him alone, what's wrong with you? And the guy says, 1198 01:06:37.679 --> 01:06:41.639 I like you you got you got grit And he 1199 01:06:41.719 --> 01:06:45.360 takes out this big buck knife and he says, I 1200 01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:48.239 want to give you this, And looking back, I should 1201 01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:50.960 have took it, because that's what he was going to 1202 01:06:51.079 --> 01:06:53.039 kill us with. I should have took it from me, 1203 01:06:53.119 --> 01:06:55.000 but I didn't want it. I thought it was some 1204 01:06:55.079 --> 01:06:57.000 kind of a trick. Or I'm like, I don't want 1205 01:06:57.039 --> 01:07:00.480 your knife, leave me alone, and he's like, no, I 1206 01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:01.840 want you here, I want you to have it. And 1207 01:07:02.360 --> 01:07:04.360 it was adamant, now I don't want your knife, and 1208 01:07:04.400 --> 01:07:08.440 he finally he says, you can have the handle, and 1209 01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:11.639 then he opens it up and he says, or you 1210 01:07:11.679 --> 01:07:15.079 can have the blade. And I'm like, I don't want anyone, 1211 01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:20.000 I want you to leave us alone. And then all 1212 01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:23.239 of a sudden, there's like a little concrete pad with 1213 01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:27.360 a basketball goal, maybe fifty yards away, and we start 1214 01:07:27.400 --> 01:07:30.440 hearing this ball bouncing on the concrete and we turned around. 1215 01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:35.599 There's another girl, a blondeheaded girl. And I couldn't remember 1216 01:07:35.639 --> 01:07:38.960 her name, but I was talking to her stepbrother here 1217 01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:42.000 the other day and he told me what her name was. 1218 01:07:42.039 --> 01:07:45.480 Her name was Carol, and I couldn't remember what her 1219 01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:48.480 name was. But she's over there dribbling the basketball, and 1220 01:07:48.519 --> 01:07:51.280 she's looking up there at us, you know, and this 1221 01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:54.519 guy's oh, and he's holding this knife, and he takes 1222 01:07:54.559 --> 01:07:57.559 like five or six steps towards her, and I men 1223 01:07:57.679 --> 01:07:59.960 dale and I sidled passed him down the side walk 1224 01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:02.079 talk and we run round it and right as we 1225 01:08:02.159 --> 01:08:04.960 run around the corner and we're screaming her run, They're crazy, 1226 01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:07.599 he's crazy, and get away. Run. So we we take 1227 01:08:07.599 --> 01:08:08.960 off and we run clear to the end of the 1228 01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:12.559 building and were and we're still yelling at her. We 1229 01:08:12.719 --> 01:08:15.239 still see her and she kind of stopped us looking 1230 01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:19.319 and we're thinking she can't hear us or don't understand. 1231 01:08:19.359 --> 01:08:21.239 And about that time, here come this guy around the 1232 01:08:21.239 --> 01:08:24.359 corner full board, running after us again. So we we 1233 01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:27.239 take off running again, and we're running across the street 1234 01:08:27.239 --> 01:08:30.560 and this car pulls up and stops, and our first 1235 01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:33.439 instinct was to we run around to the driver's door 1236 01:08:33.479 --> 01:08:36.680 to tell them all the cops, go, go get the cops. 1237 01:08:36.880 --> 01:08:40.239 And the windows down and hell is Panama red in 1238 01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:43.680 the car and we're crap. So we take off running again. 1239 01:08:44.119 --> 01:08:45.800 That's like horror movie kind of thing. 1240 01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:51.319 You know, it's him, it's the other one. So and 1241 01:08:51.399 --> 01:08:54.479 this guy is chasing us, so we run through yards. 1242 01:08:54.560 --> 01:08:57.239 We went through the Baptist church property and we're running 1243 01:08:57.239 --> 01:09:00.000 through yards and over fences and this guy is just 1244 01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:02.520 chasing us and he's got this knife and this big knife, 1245 01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:07.880 and finally we're like, we get over this last fence 1246 01:09:08.720 --> 01:09:11.079 and I tripped. Dale's ahead of me, and I trip 1247 01:09:11.199 --> 01:09:12.960 going over it and I slam on the ground. And 1248 01:09:13.800 --> 01:09:15.920 I didn't have much breath in me anyway, and when 1249 01:09:15.960 --> 01:09:18.560 I hit the ground hard, all of it left. And 1250 01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:20.840 I'm trying to get up, and Dale is like twenty 1251 01:09:20.840 --> 01:09:22.640 feet away, jumping up and down. Get up, Get up, 1252 01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:24.039 Get up. He's right behind you. And I look, this 1253 01:09:24.079 --> 01:09:26.880 guy's coming

over the fence. I mean, he's right there. 1254 01:09:26.920 --> 01:09:30.199 So somehow I get up and I run and there's 1255 01:09:30.199 --> 01:09:33.399 a service station across this empty lot from this fence. 1256 01:09:34.279 --> 01:09:37.800 So we run to this service station and Dale, when 1257 01:09:37.800 --> 01:09:41.119 he gets there, he just goes right inside the office. Well, 1258 01:09:41.159 --> 01:09:43.359 this guy, I don't want to get caught in there. 1259 01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:45.560 I didn't know if there was anybody around, but there 1260 01:09:45.600 --> 01:09:49.279 was a guy out there pumping gas again at full 1261 01:09:49.279 --> 01:09:54.920 service station. This guy's pumping gas and he chases me 1262 01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:57.920 around the island and the car like three or four times. 1263 01:09:57.920 --> 01:10:01.640 And this guy his name was Ronnie, and he's pumping gas. 1264 01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:04.600 And Ronnie was a big, a big muscled up guy, 1265 01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:07.520 big guy, and he sees us. You know, this guy's 1266 01:10:07.600 --> 01:10:09.680 chasing me one way and then chasing me the other. 1267 01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:13.760 And Dale has just disappeared. He's went inside, and I'm thinking, man, 1268 01:10:13.760 --> 01:10:17.520 I should have went in there. So and finally he runs. 1269 01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:20.079 We run past Ronnie again. Ronnie reaches a big old 1270 01:10:20.119 --> 01:10:22.319 warm I turned just catches this guy by his green 1271 01:10:22.359 --> 01:10:25.920 coat and says, hey, don't you leave that boy alone. 1272 01:10:26.520 --> 01:10:29.720 And this guy raises his knife up like I'll kill 1273 01:10:29.760 --> 01:10:32.920 you too, I mean, like Psycho in the shower, you know, 1274 01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:35.880 and Ronnie, that was the wrong thing to say to Ronnie. 1275 01:10:36.680 --> 01:10:41.159 Ronnie's nickname was Wildcat, and he earned it. He tattooed 1276 01:10:41.199 --> 01:10:43.600 this guy down. He went on the concrete, and then 1277 01:10:43.680 --> 01:10:47.079 Ronnie jumped on him and had him folded over backwards, 1278 01:10:47.119 --> 01:10:50.319 and the knife went skittering away, and Ronnie's got him 1279 01:10:50.319 --> 01:10:53.000 folded up backwards. And the guy tried to fight and yell, 1280 01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:55.079 and Ronnie thumped him in the head a few times. 1281 01:10:55.119 --> 01:10:58.199 And so then I get around him and I go 1282 01:10:58.279 --> 01:11:02.560 in the office and by now people gathering. I go 1283 01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:06.520 into office and there's Dale and ironically it was the 1284 01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:08.880 girl who was playing basketball. It was her step brother 1285 01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:12.600 was working there. He was like three years older than us, 1286 01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:15.840 but he was working there. So we're telling him, you know, 1287 01:11:16.079 --> 01:11:17.880 in a big rush, and we look out there, and 1288 01:11:18.279 --> 01:11:20.600 the cop pulls up and they get this guy loaded 1289 01:11:20.600 --> 01:11:23.600 in the loaded the cuffs on. He loaded in the 1290 01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:26.159 cops car, and away they go. And then one of 1291 01:11:26.199 --> 01:11:29.680 the cops comes and tells us, you know, I don't 1292 01:11:29.720 --> 01:11:31.880 even know how I got home. I think the cops 1293 01:11:31.920 --> 01:11:34.359 gave us a ride. I don't remember, but I remember 1294 01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:37.720 being told, we'll come, we'll come around tonight when your 1295 01:11:37.720 --> 01:11:40.640 mother's home and get a statement from you, having you 1296 01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:45.039 write out of statements. Okay, So that night, the police 1297 01:11:45.079 --> 01:11:47.359 officer comes to my house and I write out this statement, 1298 01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:50.239 you know, And then I asked him, I said, what's wrong? 1299 01:11:50.279 --> 01:11:51.640 What was wrong with them guy? And they said, well, 1300 01:11:51.680 --> 01:11:53.520 they were hopped up on something. They found some kind 1301 01:11:53.520 --> 01:11:55.920 of pills on them. And I said, did you get 1302 01:11:55.960 --> 01:11:57.640 the other one? Yeah, we got both of them. They're 1303 01:11:57.680 --> 01:12:00.600 in jail. And he told me what they're real things were. 1304 01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:03.760 But you know, I couldn't remember, but I know it 1305 01:12:03.840 --> 01:12:07.319 was in all the newspapers around the area because my 1306 01:12:07.399 --> 01:12:10.720 mother kept them, and I got to find those. I 1307 01:12:10.760 --> 01:12:14.439 know she's got them somewhere. I just haven't ever found them. 1308 01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:20.920 But and the policeman told me that there was there 1309 01:12:20.960 --> 01:12:23.079 was a carnival in town out at the fairground. So 1310 01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:27.079 I grew up in a little town, maybe twelve fifteen 1311 01:12:27.159 --> 01:12:31.119 hundred people. You know, we pretty much knew everybody. These 1312 01:12:31.119 --> 01:12:33.520 guys were strangers, and I never thought about the carnival. 1313 01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:35.920 But East told me they were carnies. They were working 1314 01:12:35.920 --> 01:12:38.800 at this carnival, and he said, yeah, they were probably 1315 01:12:38.840 --> 01:12:43.479 gonna kidnap the girls and do something bad. And then 1316 01:12:43.520 --> 01:12:46.119 when they got away, you guys were there, so and 1317 01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:47.680 I said, well, that's what he said, we were going 1318 01:12:47.720 --> 01:12:50.119 to have to replace them. Well I didn't know what 1319 01:12:50.159 --> 01:12:55.560 that meant. So anyway, I wrote out my statement. I 1320 01:12:55.600 --> 01:12:59.760 found out later Dale had done the same thing. A 1321 01:12:59.840 --> 01:13:02.520 new paper called and I talked to them on the phone, 1322 01:13:02.960 --> 01:13:06.520 told

them kind of the same story. He was in 1323 01:13:06.720 --> 01:13:10.640 several papers around And then I never did I didn't 1324 01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:15.520 have to go to court. Dale didn't either. And maybe 1325 01:13:16.760 --> 01:13:19.479 three or four months later we're at school. We're in 1326 01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:23.680 like junior high, and it was like right after lunch 1327 01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:27.399 and I'm outside, you know, we've ate. I'm outside and 1328 01:13:27.520 --> 01:13:32.680 Dale comes running up all excited, frantic. Can he I 1329 01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:36.159 just seem I just seemed blondie. Well, I knew exactly 1330 01:13:36.159 --> 01:13:38.039 who he was talking about that was just a couple 1331 01:13:38.079 --> 01:13:40.680 of months earlier. I'm like, nah, he's in jail, he's out, 1332 01:13:40.720 --> 01:13:42.239 because I just saw him. He was in a car, 1333 01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:44.439 he was a pastor. They drove by and I said 1334 01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:46.279 he probably didn't see it, and he's like no, he 1335 01:13:46.319 --> 01:13:49.520 looked right at me. I'm like he's you know, Well, 1336 01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:51.239 nothing ever came to that. I don't know if it 1337 01:13:51.279 --> 01:13:52.960 was him or not. Maybe he was out on some 1338 01:13:53.079 --> 01:13:56.439 work program. I don't know. Never heard anything about it. Well, 1339 01:13:57.159 --> 01:13:59.800 I wrote this book. This story is the last story 1340 01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:03.119 in my fourth volume of Campfire Tales from Uncle Rob, 1341 01:14:03.920 --> 01:14:05.920 the only one that didn't have something to do with 1342 01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:08.079 me being out hunting and fishing. But there's just a 1343 01:14:08.119 --> 01:14:11.640 story I wanted to tell. So the book comes out 1344 01:14:11.880 --> 01:14:17.079 and this guy named James, who was the guy that 1345 01:14:17.199 --> 01:14:20.600 was working at the station whose stepsister was after playing basketball. 1346 01:14:21.119 --> 01:14:24.560 He reads the story and I'm talking to him and 1347 01:14:24.600 --> 01:14:28.640 he's like, I remember that, but he thought it was 1348 01:14:28.680 --> 01:14:32.560 another kid with me, and he thought it was another 1349 01:14:32.560 --> 01:14:34.239 guy named Bill. I said, oh, it was me and 1350 01:14:34.359 --> 01:14:39.680 Dale and he says he said, yeah, old Ronnie. He 1351 01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:42.880 wildcat they called him. And he said, yeah, he earned it. 1352 01:14:42.920 --> 01:14:44.800 That was the wrong guy to threaten with the knife. 1353 01:14:44.840 --> 01:14:48.079 I said, thank god he was there. So a few 1354 01:14:48.079 --> 01:14:53.880 months later, I was at a book signing deal and 1355 01:14:54.119 --> 01:14:58.039 Ronnie comes up to me and I'm looking at him 1356 01:14:58.079 --> 01:15:00.239 and he's like, are you robbing? I'm like yeah, looking 1357 01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:02.479 at him, I'm like, are

you wild cat? I haven't 1358 01:15:02.479 --> 01:15:05.800 seen him for forty years probably, you know. And I 1359 01:15:05.880 --> 01:15:07.560 stand up and I'm looking at him. I was like, 1360 01:15:07.880 --> 01:15:09.680 you were a heck of a lot bigger when I 1361 01:15:09.720 --> 01:15:13.319 was thirteen. And he's like, yeah, he's still a big man. 1362 01:15:14.359 --> 01:15:17.079 So anyway, we remined this and I told I asked him, 1363 01:15:17.119 --> 01:15:20.479 I said, did you have to go testifying? Like nope, 1364 01:15:20.720 --> 01:15:22.840 he said, I don't know. He said, I gave a 1365 01:15:22.880 --> 01:15:24.560 statement two. He said, I don't want to happen, but 1366 01:15:24.840 --> 01:15:28.800 I never I didn't have testify either, So but it 1367 01:15:28.920 --> 01:15:32.159 was so cool that. And James had seen he's still 1368 01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:34.960 friends with Ronnie, and he had told him about my 1369 01:15:35.039 --> 01:15:38.479 story and Ronnie's like, yeah, that happened. I don't know 1370 01:15:38.479 --> 01:15:40.239 about the rest of that, but that part with me 1371 01:15:40.319 --> 01:15:43.640 grabbing the dude and thumping him on his head, that 1372 01:15:44.039 --> 01:15:46.960 was definitely. So. Anyway, Ronnie come to my book signing 1373 01:15:47.000 --> 01:15:48.800 and bought a book and I signed it for him 1374 01:15:48.840 --> 01:15:52.359 and it was just a special moment. And I told him, see, 1375 01:15:52.359 --> 01:15:54.920 you've saved my life that day, and he said, probably 1376 01:15:54.960 --> 01:15:59.880 that guy was crazy. So there's something that came from 1377 01:16:00.159 --> 01:16:02.159 me writing a story. Is something that happened to me. 1378 01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:08.960 And I'll never forget either one that day that them 1379 01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:13.159 guys were trying to do something add to the girls 1380 01:16:13.159 --> 01:16:17.079 and then us, and then Ronnie saving me and been 1381 01:16:17.199 --> 01:16:19.640 showing up and getting the book signed. 1382 01:16:20.640 --> 01:16:25.039 You also you also saved your cousins there as well, 1383 01:16:25.199 --> 01:16:26.399 and possibly the girl. 1384 01:16:26.720 --> 01:16:29.680 Yeah, yeah, who knows what would have happened if we 1385 01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:31.760 hadn't went over there. And the cops told me the 1386 01:16:31.800 --> 01:16:35.640 same thing, said them girls may have disappeared, and you know, 1387 01:16:37.159 --> 01:16:38.920 we might not have ever found them. We don't know 1388 01:16:39.920 --> 01:16:42.760 which I you know, all I knew was that to me, 1389 01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:46.720 they were they were doing things that we didn't do. 1390 01:16:46.920 --> 01:16:48.960 You know, we didn't know who these guys were, and 1391 01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:50.600 they were throwing them up in the air and man 1392 01:16:50.640 --> 01:16:53.560 handling them, and we just kind of strutted over there 1393 01:16:53.560 --> 01:16:56.520 like we were, you know, twelve thirteen years old and 1394 01:16:56.640 --> 01:17:02.239 like leave them alone. Anyway, It was it was crazy. 1395 01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:06.600 Well, you were quite brave then, you know. That's that's amazing, 1396 01:17:06.640 --> 01:17:10.119 and you've encountered so many things, you know, I would 1397 01:17:10.119 --> 01:17:11.880 say this is probably a good place for us to 1398 01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:15.359 leave it today, Like we could honestly keep talking for 1399 01:17:15.479 --> 01:17:18.079 probably another couple of hours here. You got so many stories. 1400 01:17:18.159 --> 01:17:20.000 I do have a lot of stories, I gotta admit. 1401 01:17:20.720 --> 01:17:24.439 But it's been fun. I'm glad somebody somebody knew to 1402 01:17:24.479 --> 01:17:25.239 tell stories to. 1403 01:17:25.319 --> 01:17:29.479 Woo exactly well. And hopefully there's a lot of people 1404 01:17:29.520 --> 01:17:32.359 watching and listening that you will, you know, pass this 1405 01:17:32.560 --> 01:17:35.439 on to as well. And speaking of passing it on, 1406 01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:37.760 if they not only going to listen to watch this, 1407 01:17:37.840 --> 01:17:39.680 but if they want to read your books, where can 1408 01:17:39.720 --> 01:17:41.800 they find them? 1409 01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:46.560 All my books are on Amazon. The first four are 1410 01:17:46.640 --> 01:17:51.119 a Campfire Tales from Uncle Rob. You can search for 1411 01:17:51.159 --> 01:17:55.479 that or you search for my name, Robert Obauers. And 1412 01:17:55.520 --> 01:17:59.359 then the two fiction books is Red Eyes at Black 1413 01:17:59.399 --> 01:18:04.079 Mesa and my newest one is called Half Dog Will Travel. 1414 01:18:04.439 --> 01:18:10.000 And there are like cryptid horror thrillers. Uh And I'm 1415 01:18:10.479 --> 01:18:13.800 almost finished with a prequel to Half Dog Will Travel. 1416 01:18:14.079 --> 01:18:16.600 I'm working on it. I'd like maybe a couple of 1417 01:18:16.720 --> 01:18:18.640 chapters and I'll be finished with it and it'll be 1418 01:18:18.680 --> 01:18:22.680 ready for editing. But it's kind of it's been kind 1419 01:18:22.680 --> 01:18:27.560 of a crazy you know. I started. I started writing 1420 01:18:27.760 --> 01:18:31.920 just really because my nieces and nephews liked my stories. 1421 01:18:32.640 --> 01:18:35.279 And then I kind of ran out of stories, true 1422 01:18:35.319 --> 01:18:39.840 stories that were that I thought were book worthy, and 1423 01:18:39.960 --> 01:18:44.560 but I and then I retired, and I just enjoyed 1424 01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:48.199 telling stories and writing so much. I just had to 1425 01:18:48.199 --> 01:18:50.359 start fiction, you know, I just wanted to keep doing 1426 01:18:50.399 --> 01:18:53.960 it and it you know, most independent authors, I know, 1427 01:18:54.000 --> 01:18:55.600 I don't. You know, we don't make a whole lot 1428 01:18:55.640 -->

01:18:59.760 of money off offer books or stories, but just having 1429 01:18:59.800 --> 01:19:04.079 people come up or people leave a review and say, man, 1430 01:19:04.159 --> 01:19:06.119 I really enjoyed that. I had a lady the other 1431 01:19:06.199 --> 01:19:09.319 day told me my favorite character is Dale, Like he 1432 01:19:09.399 --> 01:19:12.359 wasn't a real guy, you know, yeah, but of course 1433 01:19:12.399 --> 01:19:15.439 he was, and he was. He was my best buddy, 1434 01:19:15.880 --> 01:19:22.600 but yeah, god, yes, And anyway, that's what it's all 1435 01:19:22.640 --> 01:19:26.560 about for me, is just interaction and feedback from people 1436 01:19:26.640 --> 01:19:29.119 who read and enjoy this stuff that I write, that 1437 01:19:29.159 --> 01:19:32.479 I write and have written, and that's just so cool 1438 01:19:33.119 --> 01:19:37.840 and it just means means everything. You know, that somebody's 1439 01:19:37.880 --> 01:19:43.159 actually reading and liking what I'm writing. There's just nothing 1440 01:19:43.279 --> 01:19:43.600 like it. 1441 01:19:45.119 --> 01:19:47.800 I think so, I think so. So, you know, before 1442 01:19:47.840 --> 01:19:50.000 we had a you know, I have this just a 1443 01:19:50.079 --> 01:19:52.479 question I want to ponder to you. You know, do 1444 01:19:52.600 --> 01:19:56.399 you feel that because you've written four books based on 1445 01:19:56.439 --> 01:19:59.520 all your experiences and everything you've seen, and do you 1446 01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:03.079 feel that maybe you're marked or something is different about 1447 01:20:03.119 --> 01:20:06.920 you that you've had these experiences that why there's so many. 1448 01:20:06.880 --> 01:20:10.680 You know, that's a good question. Uh. I was thinking 1449 01:20:10.720 --> 01:20:14.520 about this just the other day, the very same thing. 1450 01:20:15.279 --> 01:20:20.199 And the funny thing was, I bet you over half 1451 01:20:20.239 --> 01:20:23.199 of that stuff happened to me in the decade of 1452 01:20:23.239 --> 01:20:25.960 the nineteen eighties. I don't Maybe it's because I was 1453 01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:30.359 out more, I don't. I don't know. There's some things 1454 01:20:30.359 --> 01:20:32.600 that happened later than that, in the nineties and even 1455 01:20:32.640 --> 01:20:35.279 in the two thousands, but I bet you half that 1456 01:20:35.319 --> 01:20:37.640 stuff was in the nineteen eighties. And I don't know. 1457 01:20:39.479 --> 01:20:42.199 My wife just says, I'm a weird magnet. It's weird 1458 01:20:42.239 --> 01:20:45.399 stuff follows me around. I don't know. I don't know 1459 01:20:45.399 --> 01:20:45.800 what it is. 1460 01:20:45.880 --> 01:20:48.159 That's the title for your next book, you know, The 1461 01:20:48.199 --> 01:20:49.520 weird magnis Yes. 1462 01:20:49.399 --> 01:20:53.359 It's just and you know what I was. I was 1463 01:20:53.399 --> 01:20:57.920 thinking the other day too. One of the one of 1464 01:20:57.960 --> 01:21:01.520 the things that comes up with skeptics on the Cryptis 1465 01:21:01.520 --> 01:21:05.720 stuff is there's no bodies, there's no fossil evidence, there's 1466 01:21:05.760 --> 01:21:08.880 no bones. And I just thought, I wondered, you know, 1467 01:21:08.960 --> 01:21:12.439 how many people were like walking through the woods and 1468 01:21:12.479 --> 01:21:15.760 they see like a half of a carcass. There's some 1469 01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:19.600 bones and maybe a little skin and there people look 1470 01:21:19.600 --> 01:21:22.399 at that this thing, well, that's weird and it's go on. 1471 01:21:23.239 --> 01:21:25.720 But maybe there's not enough there to identify. Maybe there's 1472 01:21:25.760 --> 01:21:30.279 no skull. Who knows. But I've also read and heard 1473 01:21:30.319 --> 01:21:33.800 plenty of stories about giant bones and stuff that were found, 1474 01:21:33.880 --> 01:21:36.800 that were turned in and just nothing else was ever heard, 1475 01:21:37.520 --> 01:21:41.520 you know. So I don't know. But I also think 1476 01:21:41.560 --> 01:21:47.039 too these people you see people these days, they've got 1477 01:21:47.039 --> 01:21:51.640 their phone right here. You've got to be looking to 1478 01:21:51.720 --> 01:21:53.800 see something. You've got to be out there first, and 1479 01:21:53.840 --> 01:21:58.359 then you've got to be looking. And I just think 1480 01:21:58.399 --> 01:22:02.239 people aren't paying attention. That's what I think. I mean. 1481 01:22:02.439 --> 01:22:06.319 I agree, I wonder how many things have been missed 1482 01:22:06.760 --> 01:22:10.760 because we're so engrossed by our cell phones that our 1483 01:22:10.760 --> 01:22:13.000 head is down like this instead of maybe looking up 1484 01:22:13.039 --> 01:22:15.159 to the sky or looking out into the tree line 1485 01:22:15.239 --> 01:22:16.039 or something like that. 1486 01:22:16.199 --> 01:22:19.840 Yeah, I think there's things going around. I mean every 1487 01:22:19.960 --> 01:22:25.760 time I'm out hunting fishing, whether I'm in a blind 1488 01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:28.399 or on a boat or on the bank fish, there's 1489 01:22:28.439 --> 01:22:34.239 something something happening around me that's maybe it's not weird 1490 01:22:34.319 --> 01:22:37.239 or creepy, but it's interesting. You know. Maybe it's people 1491 01:22:37.279 --> 01:22:39.840 on the boat or people down the bank, or maybe 1492 01:22:39.840 --> 01:22:43.199 it's what this goose is doing, like what is that? 1493 01:22:43.439 --> 01:22:47.119 You know, just things like that, and people don't people 1494 01:22:47.159 --> 01:22:50.880 aren't paying attention. I think that there's interesting things happening 1495 01:22:50.920 --> 01:22:55.439 all the time, and sadly we're a lot of people 1496 01:22:55.479 --> 01:23:02.520 aren't seeing it because they're not looking. That's what I think. Distracted, Yes, yep, 1497 01:23:02.880 --> 01:23:05.079 I know they're

distracted because they're driving perfectly. 1498 01:23:07.119 --> 01:23:09.319 Yeah, which makes things even more scarier as well. 1499 01:23:09.520 --> 01:23:10.000 Exactly. 1500 01:23:11.640 --> 01:23:14.439 So you know, I want to say thank you. I 1501 01:23:14.439 --> 01:23:16.399 want to say thank you so much for spending the 1502 01:23:16.439 --> 01:23:19.119 time in coming on here and you know, telling us 1503 01:23:19.159 --> 01:23:22.239 some of your experiences and stories. I really appreciate it. 1504 01:23:22.279 --> 01:23:27.039 And I would say the your what always say the 1505 01:23:27.279 --> 01:23:30.600 red eyed, one horned demon from the golf course that 1506 01:23:30.680 --> 01:23:33.239 might be my favorite one. I like how that turned out. 1507 01:23:33.800 --> 01:23:37.720 It was pretty pretty comical. But nonetheless, thank you for 1508 01:23:37.760 --> 01:23:39.479 sharing all these experiences with us. 1509 01:23:39.800 --> 01:23:42.520 Well, anytime you want me back, I've got plenty more stories. 1510 01:23:42.680 --> 01:23:45.279 This has been fun and I've enjoyed it, and thanks 1511 01:23:45.279 --> 01:23:45.840 a lot. 1512 01:23:47.159 --> 01:23:49.800 Perfect Noe, Rob, I would definitely love to have you back. 1513 01:23:49.880 --> 01:23:53.359 I think You've got a treasure trove of stories and 1514 01:23:53.359 --> 01:23:55.159 I'd love to hear some more. So again, thank you 1515 01:23:55.199 --> 01:24:02.239 so much. You all right everyone, Rob Boer's with crazy experiences. 1516 01:24:02.800 --> 01:24:04.960 He's a little bit of a weird magnet. As his 1517 01:24:05.039 --> 01:24:08.399 wife would say. I think many of us have had 1518 01:24:08.399 --> 01:24:10.439 those experiences as well, and some of us just have it. 1519 01:24:11.039 --> 01:24:15.000 And you know, I think that some people do get 1520 01:24:15.039 --> 01:24:18.079 almost like marked or touched or something like that, and 1521 01:24:18.119 --> 01:24:20.479 we just seem to have these experiences more and more, 1522 01:24:20.560 --> 01:24:23.720 such as you know Doug Hijack from Monster Quest. We 1523 01:24:23.800 --> 01:24:26.720 talked about that as well, where you know, there are 1524 01:24:26.880 --> 01:24:31.560 people who just seem to attract this high strangeness, this weirdness, 1525 01:24:32.199 --> 01:24:35.840 and you know, grateful that Rob has you know, decided 1526 01:24:35.880 --> 01:24:37.960 to put pen to paper and write them all down, 1527 01:24:38.199 --> 01:24:40.439 and love to have him back in the future to 1528 01:24:40.520 --> 01:24:43.279 talk about some more so, if you guys have had 1529 01:24:43.479 --> 01:24:47.800 any experiences and you've been you're a weird magnet. Why 1530 01:24:47.840 --> 01:24:50.720 don't you actually send me a message Codecs of Curiosities 1531 01:24:50.720 --> 01:24:54.279 at gmail dot com. Let me know what you've experienced, 1532 01:24:54.560 --> 01:24:58.119 and until next time, keep a curiosity wandering, keep the 1533 01:24:58.199 --> 01:25:13.319 lightment end, always find your way home. But even the stars. 1534 01:25:12.920 --> 01:25:18.399 Where shadows grow, the benevolence echoes whisper. 1535 01:25:18.119 --> 01:25:25.439 Low, bigfoot romes through the forest deep, and dog man 1536 01:25:25.479 --> 01:25:27.199 prowls where the bray won't sleep. 1537 01:25:29.079 --> 01:25:34.520 Across our history we want to lie seeking the truth 1538 01:25:34.560 --> 01:25:35.039 that time. 1539 01:25:35.279 --> 01:25:37.840 Try to hide if. 1540 01:25:37.760 --> 01:25:41.279 You could, Curiousity's wandering and the likely to the darkness. 1541 01:25:41.359 --> 01:25:45.960 Don't uli and the codex the mysteries coment always find 1542 01:25:46.000 --> 01:25:47.399 your way back at home. 1543 01:25:55.199 --> 01:25:58.079 You and full street through the velvet skies. 1544 01:26:00.039 --> 01:26:02.199 He is watched with unblinking eyes. 1545 01:26:03.800 --> 01:26:06.479 The paranormal homes were silence. 1546 01:26:06.159 --> 01:26:11.319 Breaks in the void of secrets. The Lancern wakes. 1547 01:26:12.640 --> 01:26:14.600 Through him and realms his stories. 1548 01:26:14.600 --> 01:26:15.880 So tall. 1549 01:26:17.039 --> 01:26:23.039 The codasam is the lights of whole. Keep Curiousity's wandering 1550 01:26:23.079 --> 01:26:26.399 and the lightly through the darkness. Don't ever quid in 1551 01:26:26.479 --> 01:26:28.680 the codecs the mysteries. 1552 01:26:28.239 --> 01:26:40.439 Caroling always start your way back home. You foster through 1553 01:26:40.520 --> 01:26:45.800 the velvet skies Ale. He is watched with unblinking eyes. 1554 01:26:47.439 --> 01:26:50.680 The paranormal homes were silence breaks. 1555 01:26:51.960 --> 01:26:53.279 In the void of secrets. 1556 01:26:53.279 --> 01:26:55.000 So Lancern wakes. 1557 01:26:56.279 --> 01:27:02.000 Through his relative stories some tall. The code is famous 1558 01:27:02.079 --> 01:27:07.359 ale like a hole, keeping curiositeeth wandering, and the lightly 1559 01:27:07.720 --> 01:27:10.840 through the darkness. Don't ever quit in the code acts 1560 01:27:11.000 --> 01:27:14.720 the mysteries comment always Finn way back home. 1561 01:27:22.560 --> 01:27:28.039 Legends rise from the bird's deep core, a last legacy 1562 01:27:28.239 --> 01:27:29.319 we can't ignore. 1563 01:27:31.199 --> 01:27:34.399 With every step the veil gross thin. 1564 01:27:35.600 --> 01:27:41.680 Revealing was where the strength begins, keeping curiousityeeth wandering, and 1565 01:27:41.760 --> 01:27:45.079 the lightly through the darkness. Don't elo quit in the 1566 01:27:45.159 --> 01:27:48.399 code acts to Misery's comment, always find your. 1567 01:27:48.439 --> 01:27:51.439 Way beat nice kraptistic call. 1568 01:27:53.039 --> 01:27:55.920 A Leen's histories will uncover it all. 1569 01:27:57.359 --> 01:27:58.479 With ter code. 1570 01:27:58.520 --> 01:28:02.520 A cow will never be al, always together, will always 1571 01:28:02.600 --> 01:28:04.079 find a way Homes