התמלול המלא של Gilbert Adler Talks Producing Horror (Thirteen Ghosts, Ghost Ship & Constantine)

ourselves? But as I, as we open 39 00:01:56.200 --> 00:02:00.469 these boxes and the Crypt Keeper, as you saw, and 40 00:02:00.510 --> 00:02:03.879 the pinball machine were down in LA as well. So 41 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:06.859 they came up, but we're opening boxes and we're finding 42 00:02:06.900 --> 00:02:09.639 stuff from my career that I haven't even thought about 43 00:02:09.699 --> 00:02:12.500 for a long time. I used to, with Tales from 44 00:02:12.520 --> 00:02:16.599 the Crypt and with, uh, Freddy's Nightmares, with each script 45 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:19.379 that we would do, I would have the cast sign 46 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:21.750 the cover sheet, have the director sign the cover sheet, 47 00:02:22.090 --> 00:02:24.849 and I would just keep copies. And so I have 48 00:02:24.969 --> 00:02:29.580 all of these, uh, signatures and autographs of the stars 49 00:02:29.620 --> 00:02:31.539 that were in the movies that we made and the 50 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:36.340 TV shows. And just now starting to think about maybe 51 00:02:36.379 --> 00:02:38.439 it's time to let them go. Maybe put them up 52 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:39.800 for auction or sell them. 53 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:44.759 You know, it's funny. I had Bill Malone on the show. 54 00:02:45.080 --> 00:02:45.400 Oh, yeah. 55 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:48.080 A few years ago. And he told some of the 56 00:02:48.099 --> 00:02:50.460 stories of how he got some of the props and 57 00:02:50.479 --> 00:02:52.969 some of the things he has or has had in 58 00:02:53.030 --> 00:02:55.069 his house that maybe he's since let go of. But like, 59 00:02:55.620 --> 00:02:57.939 the idea of like people would just throw that stuff 60 00:02:58.699 --> 00:03:01.860 in a garbage can or it would just in like 61 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:04.819 thrown away. Yeah. And now to see like the weight 62 00:03:04.860 --> 00:03:08.090 that holds for fans, for collectors and things like the, 63 00:03:08.590 --> 00:03:11.189 the price that some people are willing to pay to 64 00:03:12.229 --> 00:03:13.090 have some of this stuff. 65 00:03:14.349 --> 00:03:17.449 Yeah. Well, it's unbelievable. I mean, when we were starting 66 00:03:17.569 --> 00:03:20.250 out and doing it originally, nobody even thought about that. 67 00:03:20.389 --> 00:03:22.879 Believe me, if the studios thought that they had some value, 68 00:03:23.689 --> 00:03:25.729 they wouldn't have allowed any of us to keep anything. 69 00:03:26.509 --> 00:03:29.610 But they never knew, and we never knew. And with Bill, 70 00:03:30.870 --> 00:03:33.330 who's a great friend of ours and love him dearly, 71 00:03:33.909 --> 00:03:37.550 I mean, he sold Robbie the Robot for a ton 72 00:03:37.569 --> 00:03:40.909 of money. I mean, it was just when I first 73 00:03:40.949 --> 00:03:43.990 found out about it, I was like, what? I had 74 00:03:44.009 --> 00:03:46.169 to call him and say, is this a lie? Is 75 00:03:46.189 --> 00:03:48.310 this made up or did you really sell it for 76 00:03:48.310 --> 00:03:52.069 $ 5 million? And he said, no, I found a collector 77 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:55.939 He was really interested in Robbie and, you know, he 78 00:03:55.960 --> 00:03:59.969 made me an offer and I said, huh? So we 79 00:04:00.009 --> 00:04:03.050 don't know what we're sitting on because I have props 80 00:04:03.090 --> 00:04:07.530 from Superman Returns. I have, you know, Weta. We made 81 00:04:07.550 --> 00:04:10.150 a deal with Peter Jackson's company, Weta, in New Zealand 82 00:04:11.370 --> 00:04:15.629 to do a half a dozen marquettes of different phrases 83 00:04:15.949 --> 00:04:20.459 of Superman. And I have and we each got Brian 84 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:23.209 and I each got a full set. And at the 85 00:04:23.250 --> 00:04:28.370 time they made 500 copies and they sold them for $ 500. 86 00:04:27.410 --> 00:04:30.009 And I have the original set in the original box 87 00:04:30.410 --> 00:04:33.709 and they've never been opened. And I felt like, my God, 88 00:04:33.730 --> 00:04:34.689 they must be worth something. 89 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:36.740 They must be worth a lot of money. 90 00:04:37.560 --> 00:04:39.819 So anybody listening that would like to buy some of 91 00:04:39.860 --> 00:04:42.680 this stuff, please get a hold of Aaron. Now, is 92 00:04:42.699 --> 00:04:44.019 your name Aaron or Aaron? 93 00:04:44.060 --> 00:04:47.240 Because I've been asked this several times and for a 94 00:04:47.259 --> 00:04:48.620 long time, I kind of was like, I don't know. 95 00:04:48.740 --> 00:04:51.699 Everybody calls me Aaron, but technically speaking, you are right. 96 00:04:52.879 --> 00:04:56.300 Iran yeah because even I have the how I actually 97 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:59.649 yes and I have the little in Irish we call 98 00:04:59.689 --> 00:05:02.670 it a fada over the second day which is technically 99 00:05:02.730 --> 00:05:06.029 makes the name Iran but I don't think I've ever 100 00:05:06.089 --> 00:05:07.529 been called that and I don't know if that was 101 00:05:07.550 --> 00:05:09.750 the intention I don't know if my parents even realised 102 00:05:09.810 --> 00:05:14.040 it was just to be different but yeah you know 103 00:05:14.060 --> 00:05:16.720 it's funny right I actually had I can't remember who 104 00:05:16.779 --> 00:05:19.240 I had on the show and we spoke something about 105 00:05:19.300 --> 00:05:21.220 collections and things like that and I mentioned that I 106 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:24.339 had something that I got many years ago. And somebody 107 00:05:24.420 --> 00:05:27.560 reached out to me and like, obviously this is on 108 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:31.579 a way different scale, but like offered me five figures 109 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:34.329 for something. And I was like, what in God's name? 110 00:05:34.350 --> 00:05:36.430 And then I kind of like, I would consider myself 111 00:05:36.790 --> 00:05:40.930 somewhat of a collector, but obviously my financial situation caps 112

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But like some people are 113 00:05:44.810 --> 00:05:49.160 really willing to go to any length to have certain 114 00:05:50.850 --> 00:05:54.439 things certain products certain props there's a guy he's become 115 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:59.420 big recently on on youtube i think he's called drowned 116 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:02.680 boy productions or something like that and he's pretty young 117 00:06:02.699 --> 00:06:04.939 i want to say early 20s and i think he's 118 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:11.230 amassed the biggest collection of scream franchise memorabilia and screen 119 00:06:11.310 --> 00:06:15.389 use props costumes and things that even now the cast, 120 00:06:15.689 --> 00:06:18.189 I heard Jamie Kennedy tell a story on his podcast 121 00:06:18.209 --> 00:06:20.110 where he said he actually reached out to the kid 122 00:06:20.509 --> 00:06:22.990 to buy back some of his costumes. 123 00:06:24.149 --> 00:06:24.910 What's the guy's name? 124 00:06:25.350 --> 00:06:29.069 Drowned boy productions, I think is his title. 125 00:06:29.860 --> 00:06:32.300 Right? Well, drowned boy productions. If you're listening to this, 126 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:34.540 you may want to contact me and talk to me 127 00:06:34.579 --> 00:06:37.300 about some of the stuff I have. You know, I'll 128 00:06:37.319 --> 00:06:40.240 tell you a funny story. Recently, my wife was in 129 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:44.740 Cedars in Los Angeles and, uh, She's fine. She's doing okay. 130 00:06:45.259 --> 00:06:47.560 But she was hospitalized for about a week. And we 131 00:06:47.730 --> 00:06:49.910 first went through an emergency and spent the day there. 132 00:06:49.970 --> 00:06:54.029 And finally, they admitted her. And when we got her 133 00:06:54.089 --> 00:06:58.769 upstairs to this makeshift room, because they have so many patients, 134 00:06:59.029 --> 00:07:02.170 they couldn't handle everybody. And we went into this room. 135 00:07:02.709 --> 00:07:05.759 And the nurse, he was about a 40-year-old man. And 136 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:10.180 he asked my wife her name and her birthday to 137 00:07:10.220 --> 00:07:12.850 make sure who she is supposed to be. And then 138 00:07:12.870 --> 00:07:14.610 he looks and he goes, and who are you? And 139 00:07:14.649 --> 00:07:16.730 I said, I'm her husband. And he goes, are you 140 00:07:16.769 --> 00:07:18.730 Gilbert Adler? And I said, yes. And he said, can 141 00:07:18.769 --> 00:07:21.410 I ask you a question? I said, yeah. Figured he 142 00:07:21.430 --> 00:07:23.449 was going to ask me about her health or her 143 00:07:23.470 --> 00:07:27.529 vitamins or what. And he said, you're the writer, producer, 144 00:07:27.569 --> 00:07:30.569 director of television and film, aren't you? I recognize you. 145 00:07:30.610 --> 00:07:33.050 I've seen you interviewed. And I looked at him and 146 00:07:33.069 --> 00:07:35.500 I said, is that a problem? I mean, do you 147 00:07:35.540 --> 00:07:38.519 not like me? And he said, no, just the opposite. 148 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:42.430 So we started chatting a little bit. And he knew 149 00:07:42.449 --> 00:07:44.730 a lot of my work, you know, both horror and 150 00:07:44.750 --> 00:07:47.009 the other stuff and the dramatic stuff and the comedy stuff. 151 00:07:47.970 --> 00:07:50.189 And I said to him, well, you know, I have 152 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:53.000 in my wallet, I think I only have one of them. 153 00:07:53.420 --> 00:07:55.699 You know, from Superman Returns, I had a card which 154 00:07:55.740 --> 00:07:58.339 had my information on one side. On the other side, 155 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:01.740 it has the S in red with the blue background. 156 00:08:03.139 --> 00:08:04.540 And I took it out and showed it to him 157 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:07.519 and he just went nuts. And he said, oh, my God. 158 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:09.689 I said, I don't I only have this one with me. 159 00:08:09.730 --> 00:08:11.459 I have more at home. But for some reason, I 160 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:14.680 only have one in my wallet. He goes, well, can 161 00:08:14.699 --> 00:08:18.399 I Xerox it? I said, yeah, sure. And he Xeroxed it, 162 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:20.410 and he said, can I ask you to sign it? 163 00:08:21.399 --> 00:08:23.189 So I said, of course. So I said to my 164 00:08:23.430 --> 00:08:29.009 good friend, so-and-so, you know, I hope you enjoy this 165 00:08:29.370 --> 00:08:32.809 little token, and thanks for taking such good care of 166 00:08:32.850 --> 00:08:38.120 my wife. This guy was nuts. The other nurse, a woman, says, 167 00:08:38.139 --> 00:08:41.360 wait a minute, Superman– Superman's my favorite character. What did 168 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:42.840 you have to do with Superman? I said, well, I 169 00:08:42.899 --> 00:08:46.559 made the movie Superman Returns. She said, what? So now 170 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:49.960 I have two nurses. They have no interest in attending 171 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:52.759 to my wife. They just want to talk to me 172 00:08:52.820 --> 00:08:57.509 about making movies and television. So it's really quite unbelievable, 173 00:08:57.669 --> 00:09:00.110 you know, how the fan base for this kind of 174 00:09:00.169 --> 00:09:06.029 stuff is growing and growing not only in number, but 175 00:09:06.070 --> 00:09:09.049 in age. I mean, where I used to see People 176 00:09:09.070 --> 00:09:12.399 in those days my age only interested in that kind 177 00:09:12.440 --> 00:09:15.220 of stuff. Now I see people, you know, that are 178 00:09:15.220 --> 00:09:16.840 20 and 60 that are interested in it. 179 00:09:18.820 --> 00:09:20.940 You know, you've had such a long career up to 180 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:25.330 this point. Has that only happened in the last 10, 181 00:09:25.330 --> 00:09:28.179 15 years? Like to the point where now you're getting 182 00:09:28.230 --> 00:09:32.570 approached by like people like myself, podcast shows, people stopping 183

00:09:32.610 --> 00:09:35.129 on the streets. Like you said, like even giving somebody 184 00:09:35.549 --> 00:09:39.230 a little business card signed is like, i can kind 185 00:09:39.269 --> 00:09:41.950 of relate to his feeling in a way that like 186 00:09:41.970 --> 00:09:44.720 it would be like wow this is like you don't 187 00:09:44.779 --> 00:09:48.379 understand what this is to me yeah has that just 188 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:50.740 grown like the the modern era we're in now do 189 00:09:51.419 --> 00:09:52.740 you think i. 190 00:09:52.700 --> 00:09:55.289 Think it's grown more and more in this same trip 191 00:09:55.350 --> 00:09:57.009 to los angeles i mean this is kind of a 192 00:09:57.049 --> 00:09:59.409 funny story i don't even know why i'm telling this 193 00:09:59.429 --> 00:10:02.220 to you but but kind of funny. So up here 194 00:10:02.259 --> 00:10:04.679 in Vancouver, where we're living now, you know, it's a 195 00:10:04.700 --> 00:10:07.950 quiet life. Nobody really knows who I am or cares, 196 00:10:08.009 --> 00:10:10.710 which is fine with me. Go down to Los Angeles 197 00:10:11.450 --> 00:10:15.710 and leave my wife in the hospital. And it's like 198 00:10:15.710 --> 00:10:17.429 107 degrees out. It's hot as hell. It's like a 199 00:10:20.539 --> 00:10:22.850 back to the hotel. And I realized I got to 200 00:10:22.870 --> 00:10:25.309 get something to eat. So I go, oh, geez. So 201 00:10:25.330 --> 00:10:28.250 I go into this restaurant. I get a table for one. 202 00:10:28.429 --> 00:10:32.029 I order one little Chinese dish. And in the back room, 203 00:10:32.269 --> 00:10:34.490 I'm hearing a lot of noise and people are singing 204 00:10:34.529 --> 00:10:38.309 happy birthday and everybody in the restaurant saying happy birthday. 205 00:10:38.330 --> 00:10:41.009 And I turn around and I just look at them 206 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:42.659 and I go back to my meal. I finish the meal. 207 00:10:42.700 --> 00:10:45.799 I pay the bill. I get up to leave. And 208 00:10:45.860 --> 00:10:49.450 as I get up to leave, a woman who probably 209 00:10:49.870 --> 00:10:53.409 like about 60 years old, 55 years old. I see 210 00:10:53.590 --> 00:10:56.090 she's coming out of the room where the party is. 211 00:10:56.230 --> 00:10:58.730 And she goes, oh my God, is that you? Is 212 00:10:58.769 --> 00:11:01.570 that Gil Adler? And I look up and I'm like, huh? 213 00:11:02.370 --> 00:11:04.649 And I have no idea who this woman is. And 214 00:11:04.669 --> 00:11:06.629 she comes running over to me and gives me a 215 00:11:06.649 --> 00:11:09.710 hug and a kiss. And she goes, you don't know 216 00:11:09.750 --> 00:11:12.870 who I am, do you? And I said, yeah, help 217 00:11:12.909 --> 00:11:14.409 me out a little bit. Just give me a clue. 218 00:11:14.929 --> 00:11:16.620 And she said, no, I don't expect you to remember. 219 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:19.690 I worked for you on Tales from the Crypt and 220 00:11:19.710 --> 00:11:23.789 some of your movies. And I never caught her name. 221 00:11:24.850 --> 00:11:26.529 And I was so tired. And I just, I just 222 00:11:26.549 --> 00:11:28.769 took my, I paid the bill. And I said, well, 223 00:11:28.830 --> 00:11:32.570 thanks for, great seeing you. Take care. And I, and 224 00:11:32.590 --> 00:11:35.440 I left, went to the hotel, right? Go to sleep, 225 00:11:35.860 --> 00:11:38.360 get up the next morning. And the hotel was sold out. 226 00:11:38.419 --> 00:11:40.559 So I had to change hotels. So at 6.30 in 227 00:11:40.580 --> 00:11:43.600 the morning, I call for an Uber. Guy comes and 228 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:47.899 picks me up. Puts the luggage in the trunk. I'm 229 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:49.529 sitting in a car. He's taking me like a two 230 00:11:49.570 --> 00:11:52.789 mile ride to the other hotel. And he says to me, 231 00:11:52.809 --> 00:11:54.529 can I ask you a question? I said, sure. He goes, 232 00:11:57.210 --> 00:11:59.509 where are you from? I always like to know who 233 00:11:59.549 --> 00:12:01.129 gets in my car. And I said, well, originally in 234 00:12:01.149 --> 00:12:03.750 New York. And then I lived here for 30 years 235 00:12:03.809 --> 00:12:05.350 and now I live in Vancouver. And he goes, oh, 236 00:12:05.389 --> 00:12:07.950 you lived here. Can I ask what you did? And 237 00:12:07.970 --> 00:12:10.750 I said, yeah, I make, I still do. I make 238 00:12:10.769 --> 00:12:14.350 television and motion pictures. I write, produce and direct. And 239 00:12:14.370 --> 00:12:17.740 of course that always begs the question, Oh, anything I 240 00:12:17.750 --> 00:12:20.820 would have heard of or know of? And I said, maybe. 241 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:24.299 And I start telling him. And he almost drives off 242 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:28.639 the road. We get to the hotel. He not only 243 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:31.259 takes the bags out of the trunk for me, but 244 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:33.259 he now carries them into the hotel. And I go, no, 245 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:35.980 you have to do that. I can handle this. This 246 00:12:36.039 --> 00:12:38.039 is great. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. 247 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:39.259 No, no, no, no. 248 00:12:39.500 --> 00:12:42.039 I can't believe you were in my car. This made 249 00:12:42.100 --> 00:12:44.519 my day. I can't believe you were in my Uber. 250 00:12:45.730 --> 00:12:48.370 And in within a 24 hour period of me being 251 00:12:48.389 --> 00:12:52.110 back in L.A., it was like very good, great ego boost. 252 00:12:52.669 --> 00:12:54.769 Of course, up here we walk, you know, we walk 253 00:12:54.809 --> 00:12:57.899 the streets and probably the fishermen, the local fishermen has 254 00:12:57.960 --> 00:12:59.460 more notoriety than I do up here. 255 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:02.399 It's funny because you talk about it with such kind 256 00:13:02.460 --> 00:13:05.820 of like enthusiasm and, you know, you see other people 257 00:13:06.039 --> 00:13:07.960

over years and years, they kind of become, I don't 258 00:13:07.980 --> 00:13:10.000 know if it's like burnt out or they just kind of. 259 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:13.000 I don't know, maybe don't have the love for it anymore. 260 00:13:13.250 --> 00:13:16.070 Is it because you still have the love for what 261 00:13:16.110 --> 00:13:18.509 you do that makes that like, how does that feel 262 00:13:18.570 --> 00:13:20.789 as a, you know, we always ask the very face 263 00:13:20.830 --> 00:13:24.029 value question, but like as a person, like to sit back, 264 00:13:24.070 --> 00:13:25.509 you know, when you get back to your hotel room 265 00:13:25.549 --> 00:13:28.029 or whatever, or you're sitting on your own, having your meal, 266 00:13:28.049 --> 00:13:30.279 like to actually think about that, like the way that 267 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:34.320 holds for the other person and like how they react 268 00:13:34.340 --> 00:13:36.299 to being like, wow, like some of your work changed 269 00:13:36.340 --> 00:13:39.259 my life or got me through patches and things like that. 270 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:40.080 How does that actually feel? 271 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:44.720 Very grateful. You know, I've always enjoyed what I do. 272 00:13:44.740 --> 00:13:46.779 I'm very lucky that I was able to make a 273 00:13:46.820 --> 00:13:49.840 living doing what I was doing and do it for 274 00:13:49.860 --> 00:13:52.500 a long time. And so I've always been very grateful 275 00:13:52.570 --> 00:13:55.590 about that. And when people come up and ask about 276 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:58.370 some of the work or have a comment about it 277 00:13:58.450 --> 00:14:00.570 or recognize me, which is, you know, I'm not a star. 278 00:14:00.629 --> 00:14:02.149 I'm not a I'm not in front of the camera 279 00:14:02.750 --> 00:14:06.830 kind of guy. It's always very gratifying. And so. I 280 00:14:06.850 --> 00:14:10.850 really enjoy the interaction between me and that person or 281 00:14:10.889 --> 00:14:13.879 people talking about what it is that they liked or 282 00:14:13.929 --> 00:14:16.740 what it is that they didn't like even and how 283 00:14:16.779 --> 00:14:17.399 it affected them. 284 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:21.759 Do you find that nowadays, and maybe this is just me, 285 00:14:21.779 --> 00:14:23.539 but I feel like there's not, I'm not saying a 286 00:14:23.539 --> 00:14:26.539 complete shift, but a lot of times now I see 287 00:14:26.730 --> 00:14:30.610 people behind the scenes are probably nearly more sought after 288 00:14:30.629 --> 00:14:33.889 than the actual people in front of the cameras. Like 289 00:14:33.990 --> 00:14:37.350 everybody clamors now to find out How was it made? 290 00:14:37.429 --> 00:14:39.200 What was it like on set? What were some of 291 00:14:39.220 --> 00:14:42.200 the stories of production? How did this work? How did 292 00:14:42.220 --> 00:14:45.059 that work? That seems to be becoming more and more 293 00:14:45.139 --> 00:14:48.919 and more

of a big deal to people than maybe, oh, 294 00:14:48.940 --> 00:14:50.419 you know, I got a picture with Tom Cruise. 295 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:55.149 You know, I think that's true, although I've noticed that 296 00:14:56.409 --> 00:14:59.850 early in my career, I guess I never thought about that. 297 00:15:00.029 --> 00:15:03.129 I never thought about anybody recognizing me or even caring 298 00:15:03.169 --> 00:15:05.710 what I do. I was just so into the work 299 00:15:05.950 --> 00:15:08.509 and so into trying to make it good and making 300 00:15:08.549 --> 00:15:11.299 it so that people really enjoyed it that you never 301 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:14.600 really think about that. And then as it starts happening 302 00:15:14.980 --> 00:15:17.059 and you go to some of these festivals that I 303 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:19.639 go to or that I speak at or the universities 304 00:15:19.659 --> 00:15:22.429 that I speak at, and you realize that they know 305 00:15:22.470 --> 00:15:25.730 more about your life than you do. And it's quite 306 00:15:25.769 --> 00:15:29.629 gratifying to know that they're that interested and that they've 307 00:15:29.649 --> 00:15:32.210 done the research. I mean, I get asked questions that 308 00:15:32.250 --> 00:15:34.649 sometimes I have to say, How did you find out 309 00:15:34.889 --> 00:15:37.500 to even ask that question? I mean, nobody knew about 310 00:15:37.509 --> 00:15:42.100 that argument or that fight or this discussion that I 311 00:15:42.139 --> 00:15:45.580 had with this actor or that director or whatever. How 312 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:48.220 could you possibly have found out about that? And it 313 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:50.750 always gets a big laugh and they never really give 314 00:15:50.789 --> 00:15:54.470 me an answer. But it's really, I find it very 315 00:15:54.509 --> 00:15:57.889 gratifying because it just feels like it's a stamp of 316 00:15:57.950 --> 00:16:01.009 approval of what I've spent my life trying to do. 317 00:16:02.720 --> 00:16:07.690 Yeah, and I feel like that... It's funny you say 318 00:16:07.730 --> 00:16:10.210 that because as you're saying that, you're talking about like, 319 00:16:10.429 --> 00:16:13.250 you know, how kind of fanatical and research people do. 320 00:16:13.289 --> 00:16:17.250 And I'm like flicking through pages and pages and pages 321 00:16:17.269 --> 00:16:20.669 of things. And you're right, that is so true. If 322 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:22.740 we can go back to the beginning for a second. 323 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:28.559 When or why did you decide that this was what 324 00:16:28.580 --> 00:16:30.659 you wanted to do? This was going to be your 325 00:16:30.700 --> 00:16:33.850 life's work? Because it seems like Obviously, now everybody will ask, 326 00:16:33.870 --> 00:16:35.830 you know, what's it like to be in Hollywood? What's 327 00:16:35.870 --> 00:16:37.870 it like to be? But if we go all the 328 00:16:37.909 --> 00:16:40.909 way back before all of that came and, you know, 329 00:16:41.029 --> 00:16:43.710 I suppose you could have no concept of how far 330 00:16:43.769 --> 00:16:47.289 this could actually all go. Where does that decision happen? 331 00:16:49.009 --> 00:16:52.330 Totally have no idea. And I'll explain that a little 332 00:16:52.350 --> 00:16:56.110 bit later to you. But I'm a kid from Yonkers, 333 00:16:56.169 --> 00:16:59.190 New York, which is a suburb outside of New York City. 334 00:16:59.470 --> 00:17:00.789 My aunt and uncle actually lived there. 335 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:02.500 Pardon me? 336 00:17:02.700 --> 00:17:04.559 My aunt and uncle actually live in Yonkers. 337 00:17:05.700 --> 00:17:05.920 Now? 338 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:06.440 Yeah. 339 00:17:07.529 --> 00:17:07.789 Where? 340 00:17:08.170 --> 00:17:12.789 Yeah, in a little place just off of Central Avenue 341 00:17:12.829 --> 00:17:13.490 in Westchester. 342 00:17:15.569 --> 00:17:18.230 You know, after the show, we'll have to get together again. 343 00:17:18.589 --> 00:17:19.789 I'd like to know where exactly. 344 00:17:19.950 --> 00:17:20.569 That's crazy. 345 00:17:22.150 --> 00:17:25.029 My dad had a floor covering store for his whole 346 00:17:25.049 --> 00:17:28.859 life with his brother in Yonkers. And I was supposed 347 00:17:28.900 --> 00:17:30.700 to take over the floor covering store, which I didn't 348 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:35.400 want to do. And I went to school and I 349 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:38.339 studied something I had no interest in doing because my 350 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:42.180 sister got married and she married an accountant and he 351 00:17:42.220 --> 00:17:44.339 got a job right away. And my family said, well, 352 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:45.759 if you're not going to take the store over, you've 353 00:17:45.779 --> 00:17:48.240 got to become an accountant because then you'll always get 354 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:52.259 a job. So I hated that. I played the piano. 355 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:54.339 I played the drums. That's all I wanted to do. 356 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:57.619 And when I first started out, that's really all I 357 00:17:57.940 --> 00:18:00.000 wanted to do. I wanted to play the piano. I 358 00:18:00.019 --> 00:18:03.569 wanted to write music. And that was my life. And 359 00:18:03.609 --> 00:18:06.309 in high school, that's really what it was. And then college, 360 00:18:06.349 --> 00:18:08.869 it shifted because I studied something I hated so much. 361 00:18:09.970 --> 00:18:12.819 And then, you know, when I got out of college, I, 362 00:18:14.390 --> 00:18:17.509 you know, I wanted to produce plays. And, you know, 363 00:18:17.529 --> 00:18:20.430 I went and did a season or two, I think 364 00:18:20.470 --> 00:18:24.950 a season at Hampstead Theatre Club in London. Michael Rudman 365 00:18:24.970 --> 00:18:27.509 was running Hampstead Theatre Club at the time. And we 366 00:18:27.529 --> 00:18:30.660 put a play on over there. And then it came back. 367

00:18:30.829 --> 00:18:33.789 And of course, plays, you know, Broadway, off-Broadway, you can't 368 00:18:33.809 --> 00:18:37.730 make much money. But I produced a play that I 369 00:18:37.789 --> 00:18:41.890 found at the Edinburgh Theatre Festival called El Grande de Coca-Cola. 370 00:18:43.089 --> 00:18:46.329 And we produced it in New York for almost no money. 371 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:51.160 And it became an incredibly huge hit. And, you know, 372 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:54.119 in those days, Joe Papp and Bernie Gersten were running 373 00:18:54.140 --> 00:18:57.559 the Shakespeare Festival and Jules Irving was running Lincoln Center. 374 00:18:57.599 --> 00:19:00.000 And I knew both, all three of them and I 375 00:19:00.019 --> 00:19:01.880 was always bugging them for a job and they would 376 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:05.279 always say, you're going to scare everybody in the organization 377 00:19:05.319 --> 00:19:08.759 because you want to produce and you're going to produce someday. But, 378 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:11.420 you know, you'll just take over the group and everyone 379 00:19:11.460 --> 00:19:13.869 will be frightened. And I would say, you just don't 380 00:19:13.900 --> 00:19:16.569 want to hire me. You don't like me. Just tell 381 00:19:16.609 --> 00:19:18.130 me you don't like me and I'll go away. And 382 00:19:18.150 --> 00:19:22.390 they go, no. So I was constantly looking to do that. 383 00:19:22.430 --> 00:19:24.910 And then and then, you know, I raised a tiny 384 00:19:24.950 --> 00:19:29.710 bit of money in Switzerland and to develop screenplays from 385 00:19:29.789 --> 00:19:32.490 playwrights on and off Broadway that I'd been working with. 386 00:19:33.809 --> 00:19:38.470 And so that was the beginning. And I did a 387 00:19:38.490 --> 00:19:41.490 couple of these small plays for next to no money. 388 00:19:43.190 --> 00:19:47.390 And then somebody was also raising money to develop screenplays 389 00:19:47.430 --> 00:19:51.109 and they sold one. and to a company an English 390 00:19:51.150 --> 00:19:54.900 company called Entertainment Events run by a man named Lawrence 391 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:58.519 Vanger and they said they were going to direct it 392 00:19:58.539 --> 00:20:01.180 and they were going to produce it but the company 393 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:03.440 didn't want them to do both would I come and 394 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:05.619 produce it it was a half a million dollar movie 395 00:20:06.420 --> 00:20:08.059 and I said yes and so I went to Los 396 00:20:08.140 --> 00:20:11.809 Angeles and our partners were Playboy International. So I had 397 00:20:11.829 --> 00:20:14.349 an office at the Playboy Mansion, not the mansion, their 398 00:20:14.609 --> 00:20:18.009 offices on Sunset Boulevard. And I made this little movie 399 00:20:18.029 --> 00:20:22.779 for half a million dollars. And from that, I got 400 00:20:22.819 --> 00:20:25.819 another movie from the same company. And that next movie 401 00:20:25.900

--> 00:20:28.660 I made in Vancouver, where I met my wife years later. 402 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:31.400 And that was a million and a half dollar budget. 403 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:34.170 So they actually paid me a little bit more money too. 404 00:20:34.529 --> 00:20:36.109 And that's how it sort of started. And you know, 405 00:20:37.309 --> 00:20:39.549 the thing that I tell people when I speak at universities, 406 00:20:39.609 --> 00:20:43.329 especially as I say, I spent a lot of time 407 00:20:43.829 --> 00:20:45.849 very early on in my career trying to figure out 408 00:20:46.410 --> 00:20:50.720 why would anybody hire me? There's no reason to hire me. 409 00:20:50.779 --> 00:20:54.099 I have no background. You know, my family was in 410 00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:56.480 floor covering, had nothing to do with the entertainment industry, 411 00:20:56.599 --> 00:21:00.569 had no connections, no nothing. And I said, you know, 412 00:21:00.589 --> 00:21:03.049 the only thing that's going to make me different and 413 00:21:03.170 --> 00:21:07.660 unique is if I can make a project that look 414 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:10.740 great for less money than anyone else. So how do 415 00:21:10.769 --> 00:21:13.789 you do that? I would tell people, if you give me, 416 00:21:14.009 --> 00:21:16.470 if I have a dollar, I don't want to spend 417 00:21:16.509 --> 00:21:20.589 a dollar. I want to have a dollar 10 worth 418 00:21:20.650 --> 00:21:25.019 of product on the screen. That's my, that's in my head. 419 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:27.819 And how do I do that? So that makes me, 420 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:30.279 if I can do it, you know, in a very 421 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:32.960 different class than everybody else. And that's really what happened. 422 00:21:33.779 --> 00:21:37.680 I started doing these little movies and then A man 423 00:21:37.700 --> 00:21:41.680 named Chris Albrecht, who became head of HBO, was an 424 00:21:41.740 --> 00:21:45.420 agent at ICM in those days. And then when he 425 00:21:45.460 --> 00:21:48.460 went to HBO, he asked me, he had a show 426 00:21:48.819 --> 00:21:52.220 called Vietnam War Stories that was playing in, they were 427 00:21:52.259 --> 00:21:55.289 recording it in Savannah, Georgia. And he said, we've shot 428 00:21:55.380 --> 00:21:58.009 four days. We only have two days in the can. 429 00:21:58.029 --> 00:22:00.289 I need you to go there and take it over. 430 00:22:00.869 --> 00:22:04.569 Don't go over budget. Finish the show. Would you do that? 431 00:22:04.789 --> 00:22:06.829 We'll pay you X amount. And I said, you know, 432 00:22:06.869 --> 00:22:09.230 for Chris, yeah, of course. And I went there and 433 00:22:09.309 --> 00:22:13.130 he hadn't told the management there that they were being replaced. 434 00:22:13.170 --> 00:22:15.539 So when I got there, it was really awkward. But 435 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:18.319 that's a whole other story. But I finished the series 436 00:22:18.859 --> 00:22:21.500 and it won, in those days, Ace Awards, which are 437 00:22:21.660 --> 00:22:24.559 equivalent to like an Emmy. And all of a sudden, 438 00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:27.509 you know, I became a guy who could look at 439 00:22:27.769 --> 00:22:30.970 a project and figure out how to make it and 440 00:22:30.990 --> 00:22:33.589 make it really look good and compete with bigger projects 441 00:22:33.609 --> 00:22:38.420 and but spend less money. And so, you know, when 442 00:22:38.440 --> 00:22:40.640 tales from the crypt in their first season or two, 443 00:22:42.089 --> 00:22:45.670 they went a million dollars over budget and Chris canceled 444 00:22:45.690 --> 00:22:47.710 the show, even though it was a big hit. And 445 00:22:47.730 --> 00:22:50.950 he was, he was the chairman of HBO. And so 446 00:22:51.589 --> 00:22:55.349 he called Joel Silver and Bob Zemeckis and Dick Donner 447 00:22:55.809 --> 00:22:58.869 and Walter Hill and said, look, we're canceling the show. 448 00:23:00.450 --> 00:23:03.009 You owe us a million dollars, and you're not going 449 00:23:03.029 --> 00:23:04.950 to pay the million dollars. You've told us that already. 450 00:23:05.009 --> 00:23:08.579 So the only way I would renew the show is 451 00:23:08.680 --> 00:23:11.019 if you make up that million dollars in the season. 452 00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:15.940 And we're only making 10 episodes, so that's $ 100, 000 an episode. 453 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:17.559 I don't know how you could possibly do it because 454 00:23:17.579 --> 00:23:21.069 the budgets aren't very big. And Chris said, well, you 455 00:23:21.109 --> 00:23:23.329 should talk to this guy and see what he thinks. 456 00:23:24.390 --> 00:23:27.819 And so I met with the partners. And I looked 457 00:23:27.839 --> 00:23:29.599 at their shows and I said, you know, I have 458 00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:32.420 three problems with the show. And if you agree with 459 00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:35.059 what I have to say, then maybe there's something to 460 00:23:35.119 --> 00:23:38.500 talk about. But if you don't agree, then I'm the 461 00:23:38.519 --> 00:23:41.700 wrong guy. Don't even consider me. And I said, the 462 00:23:41.740 --> 00:23:44.660 problem is with the Cryptkeeper, you know, you have him 463 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:48.680 dressed in a shroud. He's very darkly lit. He's not 464 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:52.420 a very friendly character. He's not very accessible. And I 465 00:23:52.460 --> 00:23:54.460 think that's a big mistake. I think the Cryptkeeper has 466 00:23:54.500 --> 00:23:58.140 got to be a character that introduces the show. and 467 00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:01.119 gets us out of the show and basically tells you 468 00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:02.599 at the end, it's okay. You don't have to look 469 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:05.039 under the bed. You can go to sleep. Don't be frightened. 470 00:24:05.539 --> 00:24:08.500 We were just having some fun. So I said, you know, 471 00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:10.160 if you wanted to do that and

I would like 472 00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:13.349 to make him a chiropractor, a dentist, I would make 473 00:24:13.380 --> 00:24:15.789 him a beetle. I would, wherever I could think of, 474 00:24:16.630 --> 00:24:18.109 I would like to do. And that I think would 475 00:24:18.130 --> 00:24:21.009 give him a personality and give him fun. And I 476 00:24:21.029 --> 00:24:23.769 think merchandising wise, that would be a very good thing 477 00:24:23.809 --> 00:24:27.220 to do. The second thing is that these comic books 478 00:24:27.259 --> 00:24:29.940 written by William Gaines and his dad from the 1950s, 479 00:24:31.569 --> 00:24:33.609 they're great comic books, but when you read the first 480 00:24:33.650 --> 00:24:36.349 two panels, you know the whole show. You know what 481 00:24:36.369 --> 00:24:38.710 the comic book's going to be. That's fine for a 482 00:24:38.750 --> 00:24:41.349 comic book, but it's not fine for a TV series. 483 00:24:42.049 --> 00:24:44.769 So I would glean something from the comic book, a title, 484 00:24:45.509 --> 00:24:48.730 an image, an event that happens, and then I would 485 00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:51.640 throw everything else out, and I would want to rewrite 486 00:24:51.700 --> 00:24:55.750 it so that it's sexy, funny, scary. And that would 487 00:24:55.769 --> 00:24:57.609 be what I would do with the scripts. I wouldn't 488 00:24:57.670 --> 00:24:59.789 take a comic book and just write it as a script. 489 00:24:59.890 --> 00:25:02.630 I think that's a huge mistake. And the third thing 490 00:25:02.730 --> 00:25:07.049 is I would go after stars. So I'm looking at 491 00:25:07.089 --> 00:25:08.750 these four guys and they're looking at me like I'm 492 00:25:08.789 --> 00:25:11.269 from Mars and they go, well, Gil, you can't do 493 00:25:11.309 --> 00:25:14.299 any of that. First of all, the comic books are 494 00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:18.000 controlled by us and William Gaines. And, you know, he's 495 00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:20.079 not going to want to change anything. And I said, 496 00:25:20.359 --> 00:25:22.799 he hasn't even heard what I have to change to. 497 00:25:23.589 --> 00:25:25.250 I suspect he's going to love what I want to 498 00:25:25.289 --> 00:25:28.990 do because it's going to make the storytelling, I think, 499 00:25:29.089 --> 00:25:33.089 much better and give the audience much more satisfaction. So 500 00:25:33.509 --> 00:25:35.779 if that's a problem, let me take that up with 501 00:25:35.819 --> 00:25:39.299 William Gaines directly and see if he says no, fine. 502 00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:44.900 That's number one. Number two, the Crypt Keeper, that's just 503 00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:48.089 a choice. And my gut tells me that will change everything. 504 00:25:49.230 --> 00:25:52.009 And thirdly, I'm not asking you for more money for 505 00:25:52.049 --> 00:25:55.250 the stars. I'm saying I would go and offer them 506 00:25:56.150 --> 00:25:59.950 scale plus 10 like you're offering now, but because it's

507 00:25:59.990 --> 00:26:03.450 in town and it's five days of shooting, and if 508 00:26:03.589 --> 00:26:07.529 I took an actor who did drama and I made 509 00:26:07.569 --> 00:26:11.910 them comedic, or I took an actor who did comedy 510 00:26:12.069 --> 00:26:15.369 and made them dramatic, it would stretch them and give 511 00:26:15.410 --> 00:26:17.789 them an opportunity to do stuff that they haven't done. 512 00:26:17.809 --> 00:26:20.880 And I think that would be attractive for them to do. 513 00:26:20.970 --> 00:26:24.190 And it's only five days. You know, they threw me 514 00:26:24.230 --> 00:26:27.430 out of the office, said I was an idiot. And 515 00:26:27.450 --> 00:26:30.410 a couple of days later, I get a call from 516 00:26:30.450 --> 00:26:32.859 them and saying, listen, you know, we'd like you to 517 00:26:32.900 --> 00:26:34.910 do this. We really would like you to do it. 518 00:26:35.740 --> 00:26:36.559 And that's how it started. 519 00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:41.059 Do you think, like for want of a better term, 520 00:26:41.900 --> 00:26:45.880 like having the balls to actually say and speak out 521 00:26:46.019 --> 00:26:48.500 what you think in your actual opinion and what you 522 00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:51.940 believe you can do, does that have a lot to 523 00:26:51.980 --> 00:26:54.589 do with I don't want to say success, but like 524 00:26:54.930 --> 00:26:59.130 even having the ability to get into a situation to succeed. 525 00:26:59.849 --> 00:27:02.450 I think it has a lot to do with being 526 00:27:02.490 --> 00:27:05.410 true to yourself because I could have gone into that 527 00:27:05.490 --> 00:27:07.819 office and I could have told them whatever they wanted 528 00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:10.680 to hear to get the job. But then I'd have 529 00:27:10.700 --> 00:27:12.460 to live with that. And I don't know if I 530 00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:15.619 could live with that because if I really didn't believe 531 00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:18.289 what I told them and I was doing something, you know, 532 00:27:18.619 --> 00:27:21.529 diametrically opposed to what I thought was the better solution. 533 00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:25.759 I don't know if I could deal with that personally. 534 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:28.859 So I would rather not get the job if you 535 00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:31.400 didn't believe what I thought I could do and what 536 00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:34.259 I wanted to do. And it's subjective. I mean, you 537 00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:35.859 could have been right. I could have been wrong. I 538 00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:38.339 could have been right. You could have been wrong. Who knows? 539 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:40.400 You don't know until it's too late because it's after 540 00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:43.869 the fact. But I think part of what you have 541 00:27:43.900 --> 00:27:46.009 to be in this business is just true to yourself 542 00:27:46.930 --> 00:27:49.710 and not try to second guess what the audience might 543 00:27:49.750 --> 00:27:51.410 like in a year from now or two years from 544 00:27:51.430 --> 00:27:54.019 now or three years from now. but just what you 545 00:27:54.059 --> 00:27:57.859 like and what you think an audience will like. And 546 00:27:57.900 --> 00:27:58.759 it's very personal. 547 00:28:00.630 --> 00:28:03.470 Where does that come from for you personally? Like, you know, 548 00:28:03.490 --> 00:28:07.809 you mentioned growing up and like your family are so 549 00:28:07.849 --> 00:28:11.609 far removed from where you wanted to go or end up. 550 00:28:12.569 --> 00:28:16.400 Where do you get that kind of that drive, that 551 00:28:16.500 --> 00:28:18.940 energy and that, I don't know if you call it 552 00:28:18.980 --> 00:28:21.519 self-belief or whatever drive, to be true to yourself. Cause 553 00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:24.269 I feel like even nowadays people are so afraid to 554 00:28:24.769 --> 00:28:27.269 say what it is they believe in or what they 555 00:28:27.730 --> 00:28:30.190 are passionate about or what they believe. They just kind 556 00:28:30.230 --> 00:28:32.769 of sit there and like you said, I'll say all 557 00:28:32.809 --> 00:28:35.410 the right things to not upset the balance and just 558 00:28:35.450 --> 00:28:37.650 kind of do my own. 559 00:28:37.690 --> 00:28:40.869 Well, I think it goes back to one word and 560 00:28:40.890 --> 00:28:44.049 you just used it, passion. If you don't have the passion, 561 00:28:45.369 --> 00:28:46.309 I don't believe you can do it. 562 00:28:47.150 --> 00:28:47.490 I can't. 563 00:28:48.579 --> 00:28:51.069 I know I can't. I have to have the passion. 564 00:28:51.309 --> 00:28:53.650 I mean, the only reason I'm active today and still 565 00:28:53.690 --> 00:28:56.609 interested in making motion pictures on television and have a 566 00:28:56.630 --> 00:28:59.309 bunch of writers writing for me right now is because 567 00:28:59.349 --> 00:29:03.119 of that passion. I really don't think it's anything else. And, 568 00:29:03.619 --> 00:29:07.019 you know, I had tried by taking these accounting courses 569 00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:11.119 in college. You know, I realized I was studying something 570 00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:15.059 I hated. I hated it. And yet I continued with 571 00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:17.420 it because I didn't want to disappoint my dad and 572 00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:21.130 my family. And yet when it all was finished and 573 00:29:21.170 --> 00:29:24.640 said and done, I couldn't continue. You know, I couldn't 574 00:29:24.660 --> 00:29:28.140 get a job. I was offered big jobs from big 575 00:29:28.180 --> 00:29:33.049 accounting firms in Manhattan. And I actually accepted one and 576 00:29:33.069 --> 00:29:36.490 then started throwing up and couldn't sleep. And finally, two 577 00:29:36.509 --> 00:29:38.710 weeks later, I wrote them a letter saying, I'm really sorry, 578 00:29:38.769 --> 00:29:42.380 I can't take the job. And I think the hardest 579 00:29:42.680 -->

00:29:47.099 day of my life was telling my dad what I 580 00:29:47.140 --> 00:29:50.079 had done. I had accepted the job, which he was 581 00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:52.619 really excited about, and then telling him 10 days later, 582 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:55.430 I'm not doing that. I can't do it. I just 583 00:29:55.450 --> 00:29:59.160 can't do it. From that experience, I sort of felt like, 584 00:29:59.700 --> 00:30:01.289 why am I going to tell them what they want 585 00:30:01.309 --> 00:30:03.690 to hear if it's going to put me in that 586 00:30:03.750 --> 00:30:07.329 same place, only in a different environment? So I'm not 587 00:30:07.390 --> 00:30:10.250 talking about taxes. I'm not talking about accounting. But I'm 588 00:30:10.289 --> 00:30:14.589 talking now about character and relationship and emotion of characters. 589 00:30:15.390 --> 00:30:18.970 So I think it's the passion. And I tell students 590 00:30:18.990 --> 00:30:21.839 all the time, if you don't have the passion or 591 00:30:21.859 --> 00:30:23.779 you can think of something else that could make you 592 00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:27.599 happy that you could do, do it. Because it's a 593 00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:32.299 painful business. At best, it's a painful business. And so 594 00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:35.839 it's not something that I think you can want to 595 00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:37.700 be a star. I think you want to have to 596 00:30:37.740 --> 00:30:40.069 be an actor. My wife and I were just talking 597 00:30:40.089 --> 00:30:43.009 about this morning how a lot of people today go, oh, 598 00:30:43.049 --> 00:30:47.170 I really want to be a star. And they forget 599 00:30:47.390 --> 00:30:49.549 the true meaning of what it is to be a star, 600 00:30:49.670 --> 00:30:54.529 is to be a great actor. And if you bypass 601 00:30:54.569 --> 00:30:57.970 that or don't understand that, I think you're in for 602 00:30:58.009 --> 00:31:02.380 a difficult life and I don't want that. I mean, 603 00:31:02.420 --> 00:31:05.180 and I wouldn't recommend it for anybody. And so I would, 604 00:31:05.380 --> 00:31:10.119 I tell young people, if you have the passion, it's painful, 605 00:31:11.140 --> 00:31:13.450 but you got to do it. I couldn't think of 606 00:31:13.509 --> 00:31:15.670 anything else to do when I was younger. I just, 607 00:31:16.150 --> 00:31:19.250 if I could have thought of something else that would 608 00:31:19.289 --> 00:31:21.269 have made me happy, I probably would have tried it. 609 00:31:22.230 --> 00:31:23.390 I just couldn't think of anything else. 610 00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:27.380 When you talk about that and talk about like how 611 00:31:27.420 --> 00:31:30.480 painful it can be. And I, to a, on a 612 00:31:30.549 --> 00:31:34.910 different level, kind of I'm experiencing that right now in 613 00:31:34.950 --> 00:31:38.750 like early, like 34 years of age and kind of 614 00:31:38.809 --> 00:31:40.890 now finally understanding what people meant. You know, if you, 615 00:31:40.990 --> 00:31:42.609 if you want to try and live your dream or 616 00:31:42.650 --> 00:31:46.380 your passion, you're going to work harder than you've ever 617 00:31:46.619 --> 00:31:49.079 imagined that you would have worked in your corporate job 618 00:31:49.140 --> 00:31:51.299 or wherever, you know, I used to think that old 619 00:31:51.380 --> 00:31:54.369 life was tough. And now sometimes like I kind of 620 00:31:54.450 --> 00:31:57.210 rethink and go, wow, I did not expect this to 621 00:31:57.230 --> 00:32:02.150 be so tough so often. But again, it's what you 622 00:32:02.190 --> 00:32:05.589 just said resonated so much. I genuinely physically can't picture 623 00:32:05.630 --> 00:32:09.470 myself doing something else or going back to that old 624 00:32:09.630 --> 00:32:12.670 life anymore. I would do anything rather than be there. 625 00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:17.079 You know, on the subject of pain, I feel like 626 00:32:17.099 --> 00:32:20.019 a lot of people nowadays, you know, minor inconvenience and 627 00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:23.109 just kind of, oh, I'm frustrated. That's it. I've done 628 00:32:23.150 --> 00:32:25.309 it for six months. I don't have a million followers. 629 00:32:25.450 --> 00:32:29.329 I'm not a famous whatever. I haven't made 10 movies. Oh, 630 00:32:29.529 --> 00:32:33.509 I'm finished. For you, how do you have such a 631 00:32:33.569 --> 00:32:36.369 long career? And then I'm assuming go through lots of 632 00:32:37.069 --> 00:32:43.049 personal trials and tribulations, heartbreaks and things, and not just completely... 633 00:32:43.250 --> 00:32:46.549 I'm assuming you're already overwhelmed with work, but then obviously 634 00:32:46.569 --> 00:32:48.150 you go through things in your life that can be 635 00:32:48.210 --> 00:32:56.019 extremely painful and trying to keep yourself... pushing forward and 636 00:32:56.059 --> 00:32:58.579 what's the question as in like you know how did 637 00:32:58.619 --> 00:33:00.589 you navigate that i guess you know a lot of 638 00:33:00.609 --> 00:33:04.190 people now they look for guidance on like when something 639 00:33:04.210 --> 00:33:06.710 like that happens it just derails everything and they just 640 00:33:06.750 --> 00:33:08.769 kind of veer off and everything just. 641 00:33:08.630 --> 00:33:12.170 Gets well i think i think two things one one 642 00:33:12.230 --> 00:33:15.349 is internal and you got to keep questioning yourself and 643 00:33:15.410 --> 00:33:18.269 asking yourself if this is the right thing to do 644 00:33:18.349 --> 00:33:20.190 and if you really want to keep doing it and 645 00:33:20.470 --> 00:33:23.059 or is there something else you can do And also 646 00:33:23.140 --> 00:33:25.880 the people around you. I've been very fortunate. I've got 647 00:33:25.900 --> 00:33:29.519 a great marriage. I've got a great wife. You know, 648 00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:32.420 we've been married. I tell people we're newlyweds. We've only 649 00:33:32.440

--> 00:33:35.650 been married 35 years. But that's how it feels to me. 650 00:33:35.829 --> 00:33:39.410 It feels like we're newlyweds. And she's always been there 651 00:33:40.069 --> 00:33:42.710 through the good stuff, but more importantly, through the tough 652 00:33:42.730 --> 00:33:47.289 stuff and the frustrating stuff and the stuff that's painful. 653 00:33:48.089 --> 00:33:49.990 And that means a lot. You know, if you can 654 00:33:50.029 --> 00:33:53.309 share it with somebody like that, then that makes a 655 00:33:53.309 --> 00:33:56.609 big difference. It just makes a big difference. And it 656 00:33:56.650 --> 00:34:01.329 gives you an opportunity to express and get out any 657 00:34:01.369 --> 00:34:05.339 venom or any frustration you have because this happened with 658 00:34:05.380 --> 00:34:09.840 that guy or this person or whatever. So I think 659 00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:11.920 it's both things. I think one is internal and one 660 00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:12.519 is external. 661 00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:17.019 You mentioned Tales from the Crypt and you go into 662 00:34:17.059 --> 00:34:20.239 this meeting and you tell the guys what you tell them. 663 00:34:21.420 --> 00:34:24.239 And then when things kind of come back around and 664 00:34:24.260 --> 00:34:25.840 you say, you know, we really want you to do this, 665 00:34:26.460 --> 00:34:28.639 is there a, and I suppose similar with something like 666 00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:33.989 a huge IP, with something like Freddy Krueger, is there anxieties? 667 00:34:34.070 --> 00:34:38.170 Is there internal dialogue being like, whoa, shit, I, okay, 668 00:34:38.210 --> 00:34:40.130 I've got to actually, now I've got to make this 669 00:34:40.190 --> 00:34:43.429 happen exactly like I said I would. Does that happen 670 00:34:43.710 --> 00:34:45.690 or do you find yourself, you just, you know, you 671 00:34:45.710 --> 00:34:46.760 get into the work and that's it? 672 00:34:47.429 --> 00:34:49.469 You get into it, you get into the work and 673 00:34:49.510 --> 00:34:51.860 that's it. But, Before you get into the work and 674 00:34:51.900 --> 00:34:54.539 that's it, there is a moment when you go, I 675 00:34:54.780 --> 00:34:58.059 could be the guy that screws up this franchise. Freddy 676 00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.960 Krueger is pretty popular, and I'm going to try to 677 00:35:00.980 --> 00:35:03.659 do it on television. And if I screw this up, 678 00:35:04.659 --> 00:35:06.119 there are going to be a lot of people mad 679 00:35:06.179 --> 00:35:09.739 at me, not only internally from the business and who 680 00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:14.559 own the IP, but fans. So, yeah, that sure does 681 00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:17.579 cross your mind. And, you know, I made a movie 682 00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:21.820 called Constantine with Keanu Reeves, right? based on a successful 683 00:35:21.980 --> 00:35:26.320 comic book. Now, when we hired Keanu, the character in 684 00:35:26.340 --> 00:35:29.139 the comic books is a blonde guy. And we had 685 00:35:29.420 --> 00:35:31.719 hired Keanu, you know, he's a dark haired guy. And 686 00:35:31.739 --> 00:35:34.239 we got, when we made the announcement for Keanu, we 687 00:35:34.260 --> 00:35:37.099 got so many people complaining to us. Oh, how could 688 00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:39.789 you do that? He's not blonde. And I was like, what? 689 00:35:41.869 --> 00:35:44.190 It's not the color of his hair. It's the quality 690 00:35:44.250 --> 00:35:48.630 of his soul that we're dealing with here. And For 691 00:35:48.670 --> 00:35:51.090 a while, everybody was mad at us for doing that. 692 00:35:51.150 --> 00:35:52.610 And then as soon as we put out the first 693 00:35:53.150 --> 00:35:57.610 exposure of Keanu as Constantine, boom, the fan base grasped 694 00:35:57.650 --> 00:36:00.690 it and loved it. A lot of it has to 695 00:36:00.730 --> 00:36:04.210 just be true to what you believe is the right 696 00:36:04.230 --> 00:36:07.849 thing to do. And that's hard. It really is hard 697 00:36:07.889 --> 00:36:10.469 because a lot of times you're very much alone. 698 00:36:12.469 --> 00:36:14.699 Yeah, and having that conviction to kind of stick with it, 699 00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:16.679 I feel like that's something people struggle with a lot. 700 00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:19.130 especially a lot of younger people nowadays, they kind of, 701 00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:21.900 they will say one thing and if they get the 702 00:36:22.219 --> 00:36:26.619 wrong reaction, they'll kind of backtrack and go, well, maybe this, 703 00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:27.969 that and the other and just kind of sit on 704 00:36:28.010 --> 00:36:28.800 the fence all the time. 705 00:36:30.289 --> 00:36:32.170 Well, I think we all go through that. I mean, 706 00:36:33.449 --> 00:36:36.510 it's not an easy conversation to have with yourself about, 707 00:36:36.530 --> 00:36:39.889 are they right? Am I wrong? Should I try it 708 00:36:39.949 --> 00:36:41.789 this way? Maybe I should do it their way. I mean, 709 00:36:42.130 --> 00:36:44.530 I think we all go through that. I'm not denying 710 00:36:44.570 --> 00:36:46.329 that or saying, oh no, I know better than you 711 00:36:46.780 --> 00:36:49.800 And I'm doing it this way. You go through that questioning. 712 00:36:51.380 --> 00:36:54.619 If you're sincere to yourself and your passion, you go 713 00:36:54.659 --> 00:36:59.690 through that. And it's just a question of believing. I 714 00:36:59.730 --> 00:37:02.289 believe this is the best way to do it. That's 715 00:37:02.349 --> 00:37:05.690 what I'm going to do. You know, if you don't 716 00:37:05.710 --> 00:37:06.829 like it, fire me. 717 00:37:08.610 --> 00:37:12.179 How does it feel now with a lot of the projects, 718 00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:15.039 a lot of the movies you've worked on, TV shows? 719 00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:17.860 that they've seemed to as popular as they were at 720 00:37:17.900 --> 00:37:22.219 the time. Like I would say a good

80, 90% 721 00:37:22.219 --> 00:37:26.480 of your work has since constantly built a more and 722 00:37:26.530 --> 00:37:29.550 more and more and more cult following as the years 723 00:37:29.590 --> 00:37:32.449 go on and they're getting rediscovered by younger audiences and 724 00:37:32.489 --> 00:37:36.289 younger audiences and younger audiences. How gratifying is that, I suppose? 725 00:37:36.349 --> 00:37:39.570 And is that just a kind of a proof of, 726 00:37:40.449 --> 00:37:42.179 I guess what you were saying all along that some 727 00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:44.860 of this stuff is, is actually timeless. It worked then 728 00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:47.900 and it still works now, 20, 30 years later. 729 00:37:49.179 --> 00:37:51.400 Well, the only answer I can give you, it's crazy. 730 00:37:52.059 --> 00:37:56.300 It's just mind boggling to me that stuff I made, 731 00:37:56.500 --> 00:38:01.139 you know, 30 years ago is as popular now, not 732 00:38:01.179 --> 00:38:03.300 only with the people who we made it for 30 733 00:38:03.300 --> 00:38:05.619 years ago, but for their kids and their grandkids. So 734 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:08.579 maybe not their grandkids yet, but their kids. So yeah, 735 00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:11.980 it's very gratifying. to know that something that you labored 736 00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:17.119 so much on and sometimes was painful to do, that 737 00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:19.800 it still resonates with people in terms of the quality 738 00:38:19.820 --> 00:38:22.119 of the work and the emotion that you were able 739 00:38:22.179 --> 00:38:26.820 to instill in them by what you instilled in your characters. 740 00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:30.460 Because to me, it always comes down with these projects 741 00:38:30.500 --> 00:38:33.659 to emotion. I talk a lot when I talk about 742 00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:37.960 writing about emotionality of character and that the emotionality of 743 00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:42.150 character is really what the scene is going to be about. 744 00:38:42.809 --> 00:38:45.449 Whatever that scene is, it's going to come down to 745 00:38:45.530 --> 00:38:48.690 what is that emotionality of character? Is the audience going 746 00:38:48.710 --> 00:38:53.360 to feel anything about good or bad, right or wrong? 747 00:38:53.659 --> 00:38:56.179 Are they going to feel anything about that character? And 748 00:38:56.539 --> 00:38:59.059 what they feel, is that what you want them to feel? 749 00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:02.800 Because if it's not what you want them to feel, whoops, 750 00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:05.090 I think maybe we made a mistake. We've got to 751 00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:07.769 redo that, re-look at that. But if it is what 752 00:39:07.809 --> 00:39:11.269 you want them to feel, then that's good. Then you 753 00:39:11.289 --> 00:39:15.440 can keep going. So yes, it's very gratifying to know 754 00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:18.659 that so many people, I mean, look, I'm in a 755 00:39:18.699 --> 00:39:21.059 hospital with my wife and the nurse looks at me 756 00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:23.909 and says, are you Gilbert Adler? And I'm like, what's this? 757 00:39:24.929 --> 00:39:28.250 Very gratifying to see, to have that. And it happens 758 00:39:28.530 --> 00:39:31.309 more often actually in the last 10 years or so 759 00:39:31.809 --> 00:39:33.650 than before. You know, my wife used to always kid me. 760 00:39:33.690 --> 00:39:35.269 We used to travel all over the world, making these 761 00:39:35.309 --> 00:39:38.199 movies and television. We've been in Europe, we've been in Australia, 762 00:39:38.219 --> 00:39:41.000 we've been in New Zealand. And, you know, and I 763 00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:43.360 would always kid her and say, look, this is our 764 00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:46.039 first time in Australia. I don't know anybody in Australia. 765 00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:48.900 Nobody's going to come up and say hello because she's 766 00:39:49.300 --> 00:39:51.980 she's convinced that whatever town we're in, some I know 767 00:39:52.019 --> 00:39:54.199 somebody and they're going to come up and say hello. 768 00:39:54.659 --> 00:39:57.210 And so we're in Australia. I just finished shooting in 769 00:39:57.389 --> 00:40:00.849 the Gold Coast. We're now in Sydney. I don't know 770 00:40:00.909 --> 00:40:03.550 anybody in Sydney. The Gold Coast is an hour plane 771 00:40:03.590 --> 00:40:06.610 ride away. And so we're walking along the streets in 772 00:40:06.670 --> 00:40:10.159 Sydney and we're having this chat about don't worry about it. 773 00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:13.639 Nobody knows me. And a car goes by and voice 774 00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:17.199 yells out, hey, Adler, Adler, is that you? And I'm 775 00:40:17.219 --> 00:40:19.199 looking at the car going, what the hell is, who 776 00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:21.440 is that? And it turned, the car turns around and 777 00:40:21.460 --> 00:40:23.760 comes back. And it was one of my crew guys 778 00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:26.159 who I just finished working with up in the Gold Coast. 779 00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:30.780 But we did what just proved her point that wherever 780 00:40:30.820 --> 00:40:34.460 we go, we seem to run into people that we know. 781 00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:37.019 And it's quite amazing. I had said to you earlier, 782 00:40:37.059 --> 00:40:40.929 I wanted to get back to something that you don't 783 00:40:40.989 --> 00:40:43.650 realize when you start out in this business and you 784 00:40:43.670 --> 00:40:47.159 probably don't even realize it when it's happening. Um, But 785 00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:53.050 the opportunities are boundless with some of the projects. You know, 786 00:40:53.070 --> 00:40:57.170 while I was shooting Valkyrie, we needed a desert for 787 00:40:57.190 --> 00:40:59.869 the opening sequence. And so Brian De Palma, who I'd 788 00:40:59.889 --> 00:41:02.590 made a movie with, was a friend at the time. 789 00:41:02.630 --> 00:41:05.110 And he said, I just made a movie in Jordan.

790 00:41:05.449 --> 00:41:08.050 And they had Ratiwam, where they shot Lawrence of Arabia. 791 00:41:08.090 --> 00:41:10.860 That's the biggest desert in the world. You should go 792 00:41:10.889 --> 00:41:12.480 to Jordan. And I said, yeah, well, I don't know 793 00:41:12.500 --> 00:41:14.159 if I want to go to Jordan. We're in Berlin 794 00:41:14.179 --> 00:41:16.780 and we're shooting. And two days later, I get a 795 00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:21.900 call from the King's office, King Abdullah's office. And they said, 796 00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:24.239 you know, we're understanding you're thinking of making a movie. 797 00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:26.300 We'd like you to come down here for a couple 798 00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:30.599 of days. So I go down there. I fly from 799 00:41:31.059 --> 00:41:36.619 Germany to Amman, Jordan. I spend two nights as their 800 00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:41.769 guest at the palace and talking about making, you know, 801 00:41:41.789 --> 00:41:44.789 going to Radyouam. And the next day, a helicopter picks 802 00:41:44.829 --> 00:41:47.369 me up at the palace, and we go down to Radywan. 803 00:41:47.409 --> 00:41:50.969 We get into cars, and they're showing me around the desert. 804 00:41:51.070 --> 00:41:53.210 And all I can think of is, do you guys 805 00:41:53.230 --> 00:41:56.590 know how to get back? Because there are no landmarks here. 806 00:41:56.630 --> 00:41:59.369 It's desert, and it's sand, and it's mountains, and it's... 807 00:42:00.050 --> 00:42:02.630 I think I'm lost. I'm totally lost. I mean, if 808 00:42:02.650 --> 00:42:06.489 you drop me off now, I'm done. I'm dead. You know, 809 00:42:06.530 --> 00:42:10.489 that was an amazing experience. And I became quite friendly 810 00:42:10.530 --> 00:42:14.519 with the king and Prince Ali. And who would have 811 00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:19.420 ever thought that, you know, this guy, a Jew from 812 00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:22.500 New York, you know, would be spending two nights at 813 00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:25.760 the palace. While I was there, I had to go 814 00:42:25.780 --> 00:42:27.699 to the men's room and I said to the, I 815 00:42:27.739 --> 00:42:30.019 said to Prince Ali, can you, can you show me 816 00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:31.980 where the bathroom is? And he said, oh yeah, yeah, no, 817 00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:34.539 just go down the hallway here. And the second door 818 00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.440 on the left is your room. So there's a bathroom 819 00:42:37.460 --> 00:42:39.780 in there. And I go down to this room and 820 00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:43.349 the room, you know, is huge. And there's a bathroom there. 821 00:42:43.550 --> 00:42:45.909 And all I could think of was if my mom 822 00:42:45.949 --> 00:42:49.909 was alive, I would call her from the palace saying, 823 00:42:49.969 --> 00:42:54.219 guess where I am? You know, you don't realize the 824 00:42:54.260 --> 00:42:56.219 kinds of people that you're going to meet or run 825 00:42:56.280 --> 00:43:01.579 into or have relationships with while you're doing this. Because 826 00:43:01.619 --> 00:43:05.019 it's so, you're so internalized in terms of, you know, okay, 827 00:43:05.139 --> 00:43:06.619 I've got to make it look a certain way. And 828 00:43:06.659 --> 00:43:08.880 I've got to make sure we capture this, that or 829 00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:12.389 the other. And you don't realize that. this grander and 830 00:43:12.429 --> 00:43:13.269 this bigger picture. 831 00:43:16.369 --> 00:43:18.010 It is a big part of it as well. Like 832 00:43:18.070 --> 00:43:22.030 being open to that stuff. I feel like sometimes people are, 833 00:43:22.050 --> 00:43:25.530 don't want to say closed off, but maybe, maybe too nervous, 834 00:43:25.610 --> 00:43:28.670 maybe too anxious, too worried about like, Oh, you know, 835 00:43:28.690 --> 00:43:30.860 I don't want to put myself out there too much, 836 00:43:30.909 --> 00:43:33.260 but like from all the conversations I had and just 837 00:43:33.340 --> 00:43:35.420 even listening to some of the stuff you've said already 838 00:43:35.940 --> 00:43:40.059 and just in, in a very minuscule form, um, anything 839 00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:42.559 that's ever happened in my life up until this point 840 00:43:42.579 --> 00:43:45.239 that I thought would or could never happen has happened 841 00:43:45.300 --> 00:43:50.460 from a conversation with somebody that has somehow grown into 842 00:43:50.500 --> 00:43:52.440 some sort of relationship and I'm like, I would have 843 00:43:52.500 --> 00:43:56.530 never expected, like even something simple like this to be 844 00:43:57.230 --> 00:44:01.590 able to sit here and be to a degree financially 845 00:44:01.670 --> 00:44:04.530 free that I can do this because I choose to 846 00:44:05.050 --> 00:44:07.409 and be able to talk to you. If I had 847 00:44:07.469 --> 00:44:09.840 told my teenage self that I would have been like, 848 00:44:09.860 --> 00:44:13.219 that's so far away removed from, that's like the stuff 849 00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:14.199 I watch on the screen. 850 00:44:15.150 --> 00:44:17.050 Yeah, but you don't think about it. It just sort 851 00:44:17.090 --> 00:44:20.110 of happened. I mean, I'll give you another example, maybe 852 00:44:20.190 --> 00:44:25.949 more appropriate, especially today. Tim Curry died yesterday. And, you know, 853 00:44:25.989 --> 00:44:28.280 Tim Curry did an episode of Tales from the Crypt 854 00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:31.760 that I wrote, produced, and directed called Death of Some Salesmen. 855 00:44:32.300 --> 00:44:35.260 Unlike Arthur Miller's Death of a Salesman, we had Death 856 00:44:35.300 --> 00:44:39.949 of Some Salesmen. Now, I wrote that script with Alan Katz, 857 00:44:40.110 --> 00:44:43.190 and I was going to direct it. And I wanted 858 00:44:43.309 --> 00:44:45.750 the actor, and we had decided, you know, one of 859 00:44:45.789 --> 00:44:48.630 my favorite movies is Kind Hearts and Coronets with Alec Guinness, 860

00:44:48.650 --> 00:44:51.610 where he played seven different characters. Well, Tales from the Crypt, 861 00:44:51.650 --> 00:44:55.559 we never had one actor play more than one character. 862 00:44:56.099 --> 00:44:58.039 And so we said, wouldn't this be interesting if we 863 00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:01.639 could get one actor to play like three characters? And 864 00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:04.840 so we wrote this silly script where we wanted to 865 00:45:04.860 --> 00:45:08.679 have one actor play Ma and play Paa and play 866 00:45:08.820 --> 00:45:14.079 the deformed daughter Winona. And I had seen Rocky Horror 867 00:45:14.219 --> 00:45:17.920 in London when it first opened and loved Tim Curry 868 00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:21.300 and said, he's just such a nutcase. He might actually 869 00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:24.969 understand this script and he might do it. And so 870 00:45:24.989 --> 00:45:28.110 I called up his manager and she said, oh, I'm 871 00:45:28.130 --> 00:45:30.400 really sorry. You know, he's not going to do it. 872 00:45:31.369 --> 00:45:34.750 He goes to Carnivale in Brazil every winter. You want 873 00:45:34.769 --> 00:45:37.170 to do this right in the middle of Carnivale. He's 874 00:45:37.230 --> 00:45:39.389 never going to say yes. And I said, okay, I 875 00:45:39.409 --> 00:45:42.000 appreciate that. Thank you very much. I said, but can 876 00:45:42.019 --> 00:45:43.719 I ask you if I could, if you could do 877 00:45:43.739 --> 00:45:47.300 me a favor, you know, I'm a big fan and 878 00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:49.380 I would love to meet him. So I want to 879 00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:52.179 take him to lunch. I promise you, I won't pitch 880 00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:54.710 the show. I won't try to sell him on doing it, 881 00:45:55.500 --> 00:45:58.289 but I really would just love to meet him. And 882 00:45:58.369 --> 00:46:01.230 so she set up this lunch and I met him 883 00:46:01.250 --> 00:46:04.539 in a restaurant in Venice and on Venice beach called 884 00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:08.639 Chaya Brasserie in Los Angeles. And I thought, you know, 885 00:46:08.659 --> 00:46:10.679 we'll have lunch. It'll be an hour and you know, 886 00:46:10.699 --> 00:46:13.710 I'll go back. And we sat there for like three 887 00:46:13.730 --> 00:46:17.929 and a half hours just talking. And I, you know, 888 00:46:17.949 --> 00:46:21.650 he kept asking me questions about there's not this episode, 889 00:46:21.710 --> 00:46:23.469 but Tales from the Crypt, the show, how do we 890 00:46:23.510 --> 00:46:26.539 do it? And how do we get the quality that 891 00:46:26.579 --> 00:46:28.639 we get and all that kind of, and at the 892 00:46:28.699 --> 00:46:30.780 end of the three and a half hours, he looked 893 00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:34.250 at me and he said, well, I'm going to say 894 00:46:34.289 --> 00:46:37.070 something to you that's going to cause me a lot 895 00:46:37.110 --> 00:46:41.590 of problems. I want to do the show. And I said, no, 896 00:46:41.630 -->

00:46:43.590 you can't do the show. And he said, what do 897 00:46:43.610 --> 00:46:47.510 you mean? I said, I promised your management that I 898 00:46:47.550 --> 00:46:49.239 wasn't going to pitch you the show, which I didn't. 899 00:46:49.980 --> 00:46:51.699 And I wasn't going to try to convince you to 900 00:46:51.739 --> 00:46:54.480 do the show, which I didn't. And so if I 901 00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:56.500 go back to your manager now, she's going to be 902 00:46:56.599 --> 00:46:59.099 really pissed at me. And he laughed and he said, 903 00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:01.239 don't worry about that. I'll tell her it was all me. 904 00:47:02.420 --> 00:47:05.019 And that I convinced you that I should do the show. 905 00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:06.480 And I said, do you really want to do it? 906 00:47:06.619 --> 00:47:08.219 And he said, oh, yeah. I mean, this is a 907 00:47:08.260 --> 00:47:10.639 great opportunity to play three different parts. And to hear 908 00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:13.380 you talk about how you want to direct it, I 909 00:47:13.460 --> 00:47:16.210 just can't wait to get my teeth into the material. 910 00:47:17.150 --> 00:47:19.389 And so that's how Tim did the show. When we 911 00:47:19.429 --> 00:47:23.050 got to the stages, you know, when I direct, I'm 912 00:47:23.090 --> 00:47:25.530 always frightened to death because I'm always figuring if I 913 00:47:25.570 --> 00:47:28.329 think of a shot, there's a better shot. And also 914 00:47:28.349 --> 00:47:30.570 I'm worried about time and about how much money we're 915 00:47:30.590 --> 00:47:33.760 spending and will I make the day's work and all that. 916 00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:37.219 And we had the best time. Tim and I just 917 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:40.639 created those three characters. What was written on the page 918 00:47:40.659 --> 00:47:43.679 was one thing, but what we created in the shooting 919 00:47:43.739 --> 00:47:46.619 of it was something else. And it was a memory 920 00:47:46.659 --> 00:47:50.480 that I have that stays with me and will stay 921 00:47:50.500 --> 00:47:53.460 with me my entire life, that working with Tim was 922 00:47:53.500 --> 00:47:56.039 like one of the most special things in my life. 923 00:47:56.820 --> 00:48:01.139 And we remained friends after that. In fact, many years 924 00:48:01.260 --> 00:48:05.900 actually later, they have a Broadway party at this, I 925 00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:09.059 forgot the name of the place. Anyway, they have this 926 00:48:09.099 --> 00:48:11.800 Broadway party the night of the Tony Awards in Los Angeles. 927 00:48:12.179 --> 00:48:14.420 And they have a live feed from New York. So 928 00:48:14.460 --> 00:48:16.739 you see it actually when it's happening in New York. 929 00:48:17.389 --> 00:48:20.050 And it's a dinner party. It's at the Skirball Center 930 00:48:20.190 --> 00:48:23.449 in Los Angeles. And I got a call one day 931 00:48:23.489 --> 00:48:26.650 from Tim's manager saying, you know, this was after he 932

00:48:26.690 --> 00:48:31.690 had the stroke. And he was in a wheelchair. And 933 00:48:31.769 --> 00:48:35.230 he was kind of weak. And she said, you know, 934 00:48:35.889 --> 00:48:40.110 every year they have this party for the Tony Awards 935 00:48:40.150 --> 00:48:43.989 and they always honor somebody who's a Broadway person who 936 00:48:44.030 --> 00:48:46.130 happens to be in Los Angeles. And this year they're 937 00:48:46.170 --> 00:48:51.030 honoring Tim Curry. And they asked him, you know, who 938 00:48:51.050 --> 00:48:54.269 does he want to invite? And he said, I really 939 00:48:54.309 --> 00:48:57.610 want Gil Adler and his wife, Jeannie, to sit with 940 00:48:57.659 --> 00:49:00.320 me at my table. And they said, so will you 941 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:02.440 be in L.A. and or could you be in L.A. 942 00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:04.920 and would you do that? I said, of course, I'd 943 00:49:04.940 --> 00:49:07.199 be my pleasure and we would love to. And so 944 00:49:07.219 --> 00:49:11.389 we went to this event. And, you know, it wasn't 945 00:49:11.429 --> 00:49:13.909 the Tim Curry that I worked with that was nutty 946 00:49:14.050 --> 00:49:17.289 as I am and crazy and willing to try whatever 947 00:49:17.329 --> 00:49:19.969 it is that we thought of. It was a very quiet. 948 00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:26.320 fellow whose voice was very, very low. In one respect, 949 00:49:26.380 --> 00:49:29.010 it was heartbreaking to see him in this condition. In 950 00:49:29.090 --> 00:49:31.889 the other respect, it was great to be with him 951 00:49:32.010 --> 00:49:36.650 and spend time with him. I never forgot working with him. 952 00:49:37.869 --> 00:49:41.420 That was a very special situation that Had I not asked, 953 00:49:41.539 --> 00:49:43.239 can I just have lunch with him because I'm a 954 00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:47.750 big fan, never would have happened. And so a lot 955 00:49:47.769 --> 00:49:50.630 of times you run into situations and you don't know 956 00:49:50.889 --> 00:49:53.150 where you're going to wind up. If anyone would have 957 00:49:53.170 --> 00:49:56.929 said to me at the beginning of my career, you know, 958 00:49:56.949 --> 00:50:00.300 you're going to call the king of Jordan and the 959 00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:03.820 prince of Jordan and then the king of Mohammed of 960 00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:08.059 Morocco and other people like that friends, I would go, 961 00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:08.960 what are you, out of your mind? 962 00:50:11.090 --> 00:50:13.860 Yeah, it's funny, isn't it, how, is it only in, 963 00:50:13.860 --> 00:50:15.969 I don't want to say recent years, but is it 964 00:50:16.010 --> 00:50:18.159 only after the fact that you actually can take note 965 00:50:18.199 --> 00:50:21.320 of that? Because, like, you've been operating on such a 966 00:50:21.940 --> 00:50:25.619 seriously high level for so long. Is it always, at 967 00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:27.360 least from the outside, it seems to be always the 968 00:50:27.420 --> 00:50:30.699 next thing. It's like, whoa, the next project and what's 969 00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:32.860 coming next, next, next, next. Is it only, like, since 970 00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:35.119 you've tried to, like, go, okay, let me have a 971 00:50:35.139 --> 00:50:37.860 look at the bigger picture that you can actually take 972 00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:39.199 stock and appreciate that? 973 00:50:40.460 --> 00:50:43.539 More so now than before. But even when it was happening, 974 00:50:43.739 --> 00:50:46.179 I mean, when I was at the palace in Jordan, 975 00:50:47.670 --> 00:50:50.809 I was so chuffed that I was there. You know, 976 00:50:50.829 --> 00:50:53.989 I would look around and go, I can't believe I'm 977 00:50:54.389 --> 00:50:58.320 sitting here with these guys and having dinner and talking 978 00:50:58.340 --> 00:51:01.619 about their kids. And it was pretty amazing. And, you know, 979 00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:03.800 all I could think about was here's this kid from 980 00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:09.469 Yonkers who's in the palace. It's like. It's pretty hard 981 00:51:09.750 --> 00:51:11.349 to imagine that stuff, you know? 982 00:51:13.309 --> 00:51:15.710 And I know I will as well, but I know 983 00:51:15.849 --> 00:51:20.860 the audience will have me on a spike if I 984 00:51:20.900 --> 00:51:24.000 don't ask about Dark Castle and a little bit about that. 985 00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:28.519 Something that a lot of us, myself included, I would 986 00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:32.420 say I'm a massive champion for some of that stuff 987 00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:34.659 that you guys put together. And I know there's so 988 00:51:34.699 --> 00:51:36.960 many people out there who hold some of those movies 989 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:41.159 so fondly. And it seems to be only, again, getting 990 00:51:41.699 --> 00:51:43.860 more and more of a following, more and more people 991 00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:49.420 rediscovering it, discovering it for the first time. That initial idea, though, 992 00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:54.079 it seems so wild now, because I guess now, you know, 993 00:51:54.500 --> 00:51:56.159 it kind of seems like, oh yeah, well, it's so obvious, 994 00:51:56.179 --> 00:51:59.429 like they were, they've all stuck around, they've all still 995 00:51:59.449 --> 00:52:01.780 got such a life and such a cult fan base. 996 00:52:02.369 --> 00:52:04.969 But at the time, the concept of what you guys 997 00:52:04.989 --> 00:52:09.099 were trying to do, what does that, you know, those 998 00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:11.139 initial talks look like? 999 00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:16.980 It probably goes back to, you know, when we were 1000 00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:19.860 doing Tales from the Crypt and we always wanted Bob 1001 00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:23.630 Zemeckis to direct an episode and HBO would always, I 1002 00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:26.409 would always finagle them to give me an extra episode 1003 00:52:26.969 --> 00:52:30.650 because somehow

every season I would tell them Bob's not 1004 00:52:30.690 --> 00:52:33.550 available until the week after we were supposed to end. 1005 00:52:34.289 --> 00:52:37.159 So unless you give us another episode, I can't get 1006 00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:39.820 Bob Zemeckis. And they would say, Oh, okay, well let's 1007 00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:42.159 get Bob Zemeckis. And I would go over to, and 1008 00:52:42.179 --> 00:52:45.300 Bob would always say to me, I want to do 1009 00:52:45.340 --> 00:52:48.059 something different. So you and Alan Cass have to come 1010 00:52:48.099 --> 00:52:49.739 up with something different. I'm not just going to do 1011 00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:52.980 another episode. And that's kind of what made me think of, 1012 00:52:53.099 --> 00:52:55.719 I want to do something different when I direct. And 1013 00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:57.880 I came up, we came up with this three character 1014 00:52:58.019 --> 00:53:01.260 Alec Guinness kind of show, Death of Some Salesmen, because 1015 00:53:01.309 --> 00:53:03.630 no one had ever done that on Tales. And so 1016 00:53:04.389 --> 00:53:07.280 we would, uh, get together with Bob, who's just the 1017 00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:12.239 best collaborator in the world, and talk about stuff. Talk 1018 00:53:12.260 --> 00:53:15.110 about what you liked as a kid. When growing up, 1019 00:53:15.150 --> 00:53:17.570 what did you watch? And what did it mean to you? 1020 00:53:17.610 --> 00:53:21.210 And why is that important to you? And from that, 1021 00:53:21.269 --> 00:53:24.869 we would come up with ideas for Tales from the Crypt. 1022 00:53:24.889 --> 00:53:28.469 The one he directed called You Murderer, for example, happened 1023 00:53:28.530 --> 00:53:32.849 over chocolate chip cookies and deli sandwiches from Arts Deli 1024 00:53:32.889 --> 00:53:37.880 in LA in his office at Universal. where he said 1025 00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:39.940 that to me. What did you like as a kid? 1026 00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:42.920 And we started talking about that, and we said Humphrey 1027 00:53:42.940 --> 00:53:46.869 Bogart was just the best. I mean, I loved Humphrey Bogart. 1028 00:53:46.929 --> 00:53:50.130 I don't know why, I just loved Humphrey Bogart. And 1029 00:53:50.170 --> 00:53:53.150 then we started talking, and he said, well, how about 1030 00:53:53.170 --> 00:53:55.929 if you could work with him? And I said, yeah, 1031 00:53:55.949 --> 00:53:57.679 I would have loved that. And he goes, no, no, now. 1032 00:53:58.940 --> 00:54:00.480 And I still didn't get what he was going after. 1033 00:54:00.500 --> 00:54:04.280 And then he started to explain to me Well, we 1034 00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:07.599 could buy clips from the studios and we could put 1035 00:54:07.619 --> 00:54:10.340 them into a show. But you and Alan have to 1036 00:54:10.380 --> 00:54:14.820 write a subjective camera, which we haven't done before. And 1037 00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:18.739 we could use clips of Humphrey Bogart. And then we 1038 00:54:18.780 --> 00:54:22.260 got John Lithgow and Isabella Rossellini to be in the 1039 00:54:22.300 --> 00:54:27.050 cast and a lookalike for Humphrey Bogart. And we made 1040 00:54:27.090 --> 00:54:29.650 this show called You Murderer, which was very different and 1041 00:54:29.690 --> 00:54:33.170 very special. And so that's sort of what happens when 1042 00:54:33.190 --> 00:54:35.289 you When we would get together with Bob, it was 1043 00:54:35.969 --> 00:54:39.510 incredibly creative. And he keeps it so open. You can 1044 00:54:39.550 --> 00:54:42.739 say anything and it's not foolish. And he won't look 1045 00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:44.380 at you like you're an idiot, even though what you 1046 00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:48.219 just said, you think you said something that's totally idiotic. 1047 00:54:49.059 --> 00:54:53.039 And so when you work like that and nothing is 1048 00:54:53.219 --> 00:54:57.199 out of the question to talk about, it's very freeing 1049 00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:01.650 and enables you to really think outside the box and 1050 00:55:01.670 --> 00:55:05.510 think about things that probably are not good. Probably nine 1051 00:55:05.550 --> 00:55:07.730 times out of 10 are stupid and you're never going 1052 00:55:07.750 --> 00:55:10.239 to get to do them. But maybe, maybe just once 1053 00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:12.920 Alan will say something or I'll say something and then 1054 00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:15.139 Bob will go, no, but what about that? Or then 1055 00:55:15.820 --> 00:55:18.760 I'll say, or Alan will say, what about this? And 1056 00:55:18.780 --> 00:55:20.239 all of a sudden now we're on a, on a 1057 00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:22.960 course of like, Whoa, this is a very kind of 1058 00:55:22.980 --> 00:55:29.090 cool idea. We loved, you know, William Castle was just 1059 00:55:29.250 --> 00:55:33.079 a special filmmaker and he, When I look back at 1060 00:55:33.139 --> 00:55:37.800 his movies, I laugh because they're so terrible in the 1061 00:55:37.860 --> 00:55:40.849 sense of quality. I mean, if you look at something, 1062 00:55:41.329 --> 00:55:43.869 one of my favorites was The Tingler, which we never remade. 1063 00:55:43.929 --> 00:55:45.650 We were going to remake it, but we never got there. 1064 00:55:46.250 --> 00:55:49.389 And you look at The Tingler, and when he throws 1065 00:55:49.449 --> 00:55:52.510 The Tingler in front of the camera, and basically that's 1066 00:55:52.550 --> 00:55:55.139 what someone is doing off camera. They're throwing this thing. 1067 00:55:55.860 --> 00:56:00.400 It looks like something that it's not supposed to look like. 1068 00:56:01.190 --> 00:56:02.650 And you look at it and go, how did they 1069 00:56:02.690 --> 00:56:06.239 get away with that? And so when we, when we 1070 00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:08.219 started doing these, we said, well, what happens if we 1071 00:56:08.260 --> 00:56:12.719 took the William Castle library and made them quality, made 1072 00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:16.179

them tales from the crypt quality? What would happen today? 1073 00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:19.760 I mean, we don't have seats that we can vibrate 1074 00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:22.050 that the audience is going to get into and all 1075 00:56:22.090 --> 00:56:24.230 that kind of stuff where the smell of vision, but 1076 00:56:24.269 --> 00:56:27.610 we could do stuff that might make an audience really 1077 00:56:27.670 --> 00:56:30.440 excited to see these movies. And so that's kind of 1078 00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:34.039 what started it. And then, you know, they became quite successful. 1079 00:56:35.420 --> 00:56:38.300 What do you think it is about them that they've 1080 00:56:38.340 --> 00:56:42.090 become such a comfort for so many people and they've 1081 00:56:42.150 --> 00:56:47.750 resonated so much? Like even for myself, those, some of 1082 00:56:47.789 --> 00:56:51.309 those movies are like my, some people take it when 1083 00:56:51.550 --> 00:56:53.599 I say comfort movie as an insult. But when I 1084 00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:57.699 say comfort movie, I mean a movie that has dragged 1085 00:56:57.760 --> 00:57:00.780 me out of the depths of something that I can 1086 00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:03.900 go to on my shelf of very few movies of like, 1087 00:57:04.500 --> 00:57:06.639 no matter what's going on in life, I can escape 1088 00:57:06.659 --> 00:57:10.539 to that world and everything is okay for 90 minutes 1089 00:57:10.619 --> 00:57:12.860 or two hours. What do you think it is though, 1090 00:57:13.059 --> 00:57:16.260 that holds them up so well or has, and I 1091 00:57:16.300 --> 00:57:18.150 think they've gained strength, I guess. 1092 00:57:19.429 --> 00:57:22.150 I think two things mainly. One is, first of all, 1093 00:57:22.670 --> 00:57:25.449 when you're making a scary movie, you got to scare people. 1094 00:57:26.150 --> 00:57:27.829 I can't tell you how many friends of mine have 1095 00:57:27.849 --> 00:57:30.239 made movies that, and asked me to look at them 1096 00:57:30.780 --> 00:57:32.679 when they're in the editing room. And you know, my 1097 00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:35.179 first reaction is, okay, tell me where you scared people. 1098 00:57:35.780 --> 00:57:38.260 Cause I don't see it now. I'm jaded. I made 1099 00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:40.719 a lot of these things. I take that into account, 1100 00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:43.780 but still you got to scare people. That's what they 1101 00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:46.369 came for. They want to be scared. So that's number one. 1102 00:57:46.570 --> 00:57:49.250 Number two, I think it's, it goes back to what 1103 00:57:49.269 --> 00:57:52.429 I was talking about earlier that, that the characters, if 1104 00:57:52.630 --> 00:57:56.349 the emotionality of character, if you glean something from one 1105 00:57:56.369 --> 00:57:58.449 of these characters or more than one of these characters, 1106 00:57:59.030 --> 00:58:01.849 that you as an audience can relate to in some way, 1107 00:58:02.889 --> 00:58:05.309 not even in the same way that the character in 1108 00:58:05.329 --> 00:58:08.210 the movie relates to the character in the movie, but 1109 00:58:08.269 --> 00:58:11.989 somehow in your life, you can glean something. Then I 1110 00:58:12.030 --> 00:58:13.969 think it has a different meaning to you as an 1111 00:58:14.050 --> 00:58:17.380 audience member. And I think that's really what we're after 1112 00:58:17.780 --> 00:58:22.460 as filmmakers. That's really when you hit the jackpot. If 1113 00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:27.320 it resonates with an actor, with an audience, as an actor, 1114 00:58:27.969 --> 00:58:30.369 I think you've succeeded. And as a writer and a 1115 00:58:30.389 --> 00:58:34.099 producer and a director, that's the icing on the cake. 1116 00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:36.400 That's what I want to get to. And that's what 1117 00:58:36.420 --> 00:58:39.159 I want to get to on everything I do. That 1118 00:58:39.340 --> 00:58:44.179 the relationship between my characters and the audience is special. 1119 00:58:45.409 --> 00:58:47.949 In whatever way is special to them. It could be scary. 1120 00:58:47.969 --> 00:58:49.489 It could be funny. It could, whatever. 1121 00:58:52.289 --> 00:58:56.360 You know, House on Haunted Hill comes out and It's 1122 00:58:56.380 --> 00:58:59.110 a huge success and I guess it's proof of what 1123 00:58:59.139 --> 00:59:01.889 you guys had, the concept of what you guys were 1124 00:59:01.909 --> 00:59:04.570 pushing for. And then you mentioned The Tingler, I know 1125 00:59:04.590 --> 00:59:06.989 that one comes up a lot online. People mentioned that 1126 00:59:07.289 --> 00:59:09.829 that had been floated around as a potential movie that 1127 00:59:09.849 --> 00:59:15.199 never got made. I had also, Bill kind of alluded to, 1128 00:59:15.219 --> 00:59:18.199 there was talks of a sequel to House that I 1129 00:59:18.219 --> 00:59:22.079 know the sequel came afterwards, but in that initial stages 1130 00:59:22.820 --> 00:59:26.420 and other movies were mentioned. And I guess the question 1131 00:59:26.440 --> 00:59:29.650 is like, what, What happens or what stops some of 1132 00:59:29.690 --> 00:59:32.409 those things? Like if you guys have proven the success 1133 00:59:32.469 --> 00:59:35.409 of the model, why do some of these things then 1134 00:59:35.510 --> 00:59:37.369 go away in place of others? 1135 00:59:39.610 --> 00:59:42.179 Uh, well, some of them didn't really go away. I mean, 1136 00:59:42.199 --> 00:59:48.940 I stopped doing Dark Castle because Warner Brothers in their 1137 00:59:48.980 --> 00:59:52.059 infinite wisdom thought I was capable of doing bigger and 1138 00:59:52.099 --> 00:59:56.730 better stuff and started offering me bigger movies and Joel, especially. 1139 00:59:57.690 --> 01:00:00.130 was very upset with me and didn't like it. I mean, 1140 01:00:00.250 --> 01:00:04.079 we had a career together for like 13 or 15 years. 1141 01:00:04.099 --> 01:00:06.360 We made a lot

of television, a lot of movies. 1142 01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:10.039 And when he heard that Warner Brothers was interested in 1143 01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:15.539 me making bigger movies and he was, he got really 1144 01:00:15.579 --> 01:00:18.199 crazy and pissed off and we had a terrible argument 1145 01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:22.369 and it sort of like ended badly. But it ended 1146 01:00:22.409 --> 01:00:25.250 badly because I saw an opportunity for me to grow. 1147 01:00:26.710 --> 01:00:28.989 And he wasn't interested in that. He didn't care about that. 1148 01:00:29.369 --> 01:00:32.829 He just wanted what he wanted. And so I took 1149 01:00:32.869 --> 01:00:35.630 the opportunity with Warner Brothers. And he said to me, 1150 01:00:36.409 --> 01:00:39.190 Warner Brothers will listen to me. I'll tell them not 1151 01:00:39.230 --> 01:00:43.280 to use you and they'll throw you away. And that 1152 01:00:43.300 --> 01:00:47.460 didn't happen. But again, it's that passion. I really felt like, well, 1153 01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:50.099 this is an opportunity for me to do bigger and 1154 01:00:50.139 --> 01:00:52.920 better things. And they offered me Constantine and they offered 1155 01:00:52.980 --> 01:00:55.500 me They offered me four pictures at the time, and 1156 01:00:55.739 --> 01:00:59.539 I said yes to two of them. One was Constantine, 1157 01:01:00.219 --> 01:01:03.360 and the other one was a script that they gave 1158 01:01:03.420 --> 01:01:09.840 me called Standby. I think it was Standby. And I 1159 01:01:09.900 --> 01:01:14.110 was like, what's Standby? And they said, you know, Standby. 1160 01:01:14.130 --> 01:01:18.070 I went, no, I don't know Standby. And they said, well, 1161 01:01:18.090 --> 01:01:22.989 that's what we're calling the new Superman movie. And I said, what? Superman? 1162 01:01:23.010 --> 01:01:24.780 You want me to do Superman? I'm not doing that. 1163 01:01:25.570 --> 01:01:27.179 And they said, why? I said, you've been trying to 1164 01:01:27.219 --> 01:01:30.800 make this movie for 10 years and you'll just never 1165 01:01:30.860 --> 01:01:33.590 make it. And I'll tell you why you'll never make it. 1166 01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:39.659 Because you can't decide who should be Superman. And that's 1167 01:01:39.699 --> 01:01:42.760 a conversation that I would like to be a part 1168 01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:45.659 of if I were the producer. And I probably would 1169 01:01:45.699 --> 01:01:49.019 be a part of that conversation. But ultimately, with the 1170 01:01:49.059 --> 01:01:50.980 kind of money you'd have to invest in a movie 1171 01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:54.500 like that, It's going to be your decision. And it'd 1172 01:01:54.519 --> 01:01:56.940 be foolish of me to think otherwise, because with that 1173 01:01:56.980 --> 01:01:58.679 kind of money riding at it, you should have that 1174 01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:03.460 decision making. But I don't feel comfortable that you're going 1175 01:02:03.480 --> 01:02:06.320 to do it.

So I'll wind up working for a 1176 01:02:06.340 --> 01:02:10.239 year or two, or maybe even longer. I mean, you'll 1177 01:02:10.260 --> 01:02:13.719 pay me, but we won't make a movie. And if 1178 01:02:13.800 --> 01:02:16.429 I waste two or three years of my career, I'm 1179 01:02:16.449 --> 01:02:21.360 going to feel awful. And I said, thanks very much. 1180 01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:23.449 And I got to get back to the set on Constantine. 1181 01:02:24.010 --> 01:02:26.610 So the next day I got a call and they 1182 01:02:26.869 --> 01:02:30.090 called me in again and they said, so if we 1183 01:02:30.130 --> 01:02:33.230 wanted to figure this out with you, what would you require? 1184 01:02:33.250 --> 01:02:35.889 And I was like, well, what I require? Holy crap. 1185 01:02:36.360 --> 01:02:38.420 I would like to have some say in who could 1186 01:02:38.460 --> 01:02:41.500 be Superman knowing full well, that's going to be your 1187 01:02:41.599 --> 01:02:46.840 ultimate decision. But, and they said, okay. And so we 1188 01:02:46.860 --> 01:02:49.199 figured out a way that made it interesting for me. 1189 01:02:50.300 --> 01:02:54.889 I started working on the script with, uh, Oh God, 1190 01:02:54.909 --> 01:02:57.469 what's his name? Oh, he started his own company. It'll 1191 01:02:57.510 --> 01:03:00.010 come to me. And, uh, and then he, he got 1192 01:03:00.050 --> 01:03:07.690 into some sexual problems and was fired and it'll come 1193 01:03:07.730 --> 01:03:11.760 to us. And then they brought in, uh, McGee. And 1194 01:03:11.800 --> 01:03:13.880 so I was working with McGee for about a year. 1195 01:03:14.900 --> 01:03:16.659 And then McGee one night says to me, you know, 1196 01:03:16.719 --> 01:03:19.500 I can't fly. We're supposed to make this in Australia. 1197 01:03:20.409 --> 01:03:22.289 I don't fly. And I go, what do you mean 1198 01:03:22.309 --> 01:03:25.739 you don't fly? Oh, I'm afraid of flying. And I said, well, 1199 01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:27.320 did you tell this to Warner brothers? 1200 01:03:27.579 --> 01:03:27.739 No. 1201 01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:32.119 I thought maybe you could tell them. I said, you 1202 01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:35.840 want me to tell them you can't fly to Australia. Anyway, 1203 01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:38.730 that didn't last very long. And he was then fired. 1204 01:03:39.929 --> 01:03:42.750 And then they said to me, you know, we, at 1205 01:03:42.789 --> 01:03:44.869 the time I was talking to Fox about going over 1206 01:03:44.909 --> 01:03:47.849 there to make a movie. And of course, Hollywood is 1207 01:03:47.889 --> 01:03:50.679 so small. Everybody knows everything. So the, the, Guys from 1208 01:03:50.699 --> 01:03:52.239 Warner Brothers called me and they said, we know you're 1209 01:03:52.260 --> 01:03:54.739 talking to Fox. We don't want you to go to Fox. 1210 01:03:55.480 --> 01:03:58.489 We're going to replace McG in the next 48 hours. 1211 01:03:59.349 --> 01:04:01.730 We can't tell you who it is,

but we will 1212 01:04:01.949 --> 01:04:06.590 by tomorrow night. I said, OK. And that's when they 1213 01:04:06.610 --> 01:04:11.239 called me up and they said, Brian Singer. And we 1214 01:04:11.300 --> 01:04:13.260 ultimately made Superman Returns with Brian. 1215 01:04:17.969 --> 01:04:20.030 That's got to be like a, like to kind of 1216 01:04:20.090 --> 01:04:22.650 know that they're working on that project for so long. 1217 01:04:22.690 --> 01:04:25.010 It's such a huge IP, like it's Superman. Like, I 1218 01:04:25.030 --> 01:04:27.110 don't think there's anybody on the planet that probably doesn't 1219 01:04:27.130 --> 01:04:30.650 know what Superman or who Superman is. And I suppose 1220 01:04:30.670 --> 01:04:33.610 through that whole process, the whole time, is there something 1221 01:04:33.630 --> 01:04:35.130 in the back of your head, like being like, this 1222 01:04:35.150 --> 01:04:37.349 is not going to happen or at a certain point, 1223 01:04:37.650 --> 01:04:40.570 does it become obvious on a way this, like we're 1224 01:04:40.699 --> 01:04:42.780 actually doing this now, this is going to be something 1225 01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:44.260 that we're going to be able to realize. 1226 01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:44.380 Yeah. 1227 01:04:45.630 --> 01:04:48.449 Well, I kept asking about that because I said, I 1228 01:04:48.489 --> 01:04:50.849 can't waste two years of my life and do nothing. 1229 01:04:51.130 --> 01:04:53.090 You'll pay me and that's all great and good. I 1230 01:04:53.110 --> 01:04:55.360 can live. But if we go two years and I 1231 01:04:55.400 --> 01:04:57.920 don't make, you know, you tell me we're done, I'm 1232 01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:03.000 going to feel terrible. I can't live with myself like that. So, 1233 01:05:03.179 --> 01:05:04.579 you know, you might as well tell me now and 1234 01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:07.000 you get somebody else and I'll do something else either 1235 01:05:07.019 --> 01:05:09.739 for you or for someplace else. And they kept saying, no, 1236 01:05:09.780 --> 01:05:11.260 we really want to make this. We really want to 1237 01:05:11.300 --> 01:05:14.070 make this. And so You know, every step of the way, 1238 01:05:14.090 --> 01:05:18.070 I must say, they were very inclusive of me. And 1239 01:05:18.090 --> 01:05:22.489 I felt very honored that they did that with me. 1240 01:05:23.250 --> 01:05:27.840 And we finally got there. But, yeah, you're always questioning it. 1241 01:05:27.860 --> 01:05:30.369 I mean, even when you– it's funny. I used to– 1242 01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:34.099 when we would start a movie and the director would 1243 01:05:34.119 --> 01:05:36.039 say action on the very first shot of the very 1244 01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:39.730 first day, he would say action. I would immediately say– 1245 01:05:39.820 --> 01:05:40.960 and I would tell him I'm going to do this. 1246 01:05:41.420 --> 01:05:44.309 I would immediately say cut. And I would say, OK, 1247 01:05:44.429 --> 01:05:46.969 I'm

going over to the camera. I want the cameraman 1248 01:05:46.989 --> 01:05:48.909 to open up the gate. I want to see that 1249 01:05:48.929 --> 01:05:51.480 there's film in the gate. And only then will I 1250 01:05:51.539 --> 01:05:55.719 know that I'm making a movie. And, you know, I 1251 01:05:55.739 --> 01:05:58.920 did that in the early years. Then they'd stop using film. 1252 01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:03.050 Everything was digital. You never know when you're making a movie. 1253 01:06:03.070 --> 01:06:04.690 You never know if you're going to be making the movie. 1254 01:06:04.809 --> 01:06:07.449 Even if you shot half the movie, you don't know 1255 01:06:07.510 --> 01:06:10.809 if you're going to finish it. Something happens. Somebody passes away. 1256 01:06:11.670 --> 01:06:15.300 God knows what. change in management. So you're always kind 1257 01:06:15.340 --> 01:06:19.340 of looking over your shoulder, wondering if this is going 1258 01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:22.090 to happen. Occasionally you realize, wait a second, this is, 1259 01:06:22.610 --> 01:06:26.210 you know, I'm making Constantine with Keanu. This is going 1260 01:06:26.230 --> 01:06:29.130 to happen. Rachel's in it. Yeah, we're going to make this. 1261 01:06:29.150 --> 01:06:32.550 This is going to happen. Or, you know, Superman, they've 1262 01:06:32.610 --> 01:06:36.769 invested so much money into it. It would be hard 1263 01:06:37.190 --> 01:06:37.949 to change things. 1264 01:06:40.300 --> 01:06:42.380 You know, you talk about having interactions with people who 1265 01:06:42.420 --> 01:06:45.360 know you or know your work. Have you had any 1266 01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:49.059 like crazy, I don't mean crazy as in violent writing, 1267 01:06:49.099 --> 01:06:51.760 but like what's the, I don't know, wildest thing that 1268 01:06:51.800 --> 01:06:54.980 someone said to you or shown you that they have either, 1269 01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:57.920 you know, maybe something they've collected or whatever it might be. 1270 01:06:58.480 --> 01:07:03.309 And is it more on the like Superman or Constantine 1271 01:07:03.369 --> 01:07:06.809 comic book side or are the horror fans maybe a 1272 01:07:06.829 --> 01:07:09.429 bit more hardcore and like really into what they're into? 1273 01:07:11.269 --> 01:07:14.429 Well, Superman meant a lot to me. I mean, I 1274 01:07:14.469 --> 01:07:17.130 was a big fan as a kid watching the TV show. 1275 01:07:17.969 --> 01:07:20.289 So when they asked me to do Superman, I walked 1276 01:07:20.329 --> 01:07:23.059 around on cloud nine for like probably three or four 1277 01:07:23.079 --> 01:07:25.320 days just going, am I really going to do this? 1278 01:07:25.739 --> 01:07:27.079 Are they going to let me do this? I can't 1279 01:07:27.119 --> 01:07:31.119 believe it. But I think to answer your question, it 1280 01:07:31.139 --> 01:07:33.619 really goes back to Tales from the Crypt and Bill Gaines. 1281 01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:36.849 Because Bill Gaines and his dad, as I said earlier, 1282 01:07:36.889 --> 01:07:38.710 created these comic books. 1283 01:07:38.550 --> 01:07:38.760 In the 50s. 1284 01:07:40.210 --> 01:07:42.550 And, you know, and I said, and I meant what 1285 01:07:42.590 --> 01:07:44.199 I said to the studio. And I said, I want 1286 01:07:44.219 --> 01:07:48.079 to meet with Bill Gaines. And he needs to like 1287 01:07:48.139 --> 01:07:51.159 the show. Otherwise, I won't do it. He has to 1288 01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:53.340 like it because he created this. I'm not going to 1289 01:07:53.619 --> 01:07:56.900 step on him by creating something different that he hates. 1290 01:07:58.000 --> 01:07:59.760 And so I went to Bill and I said, look, 1291 01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:01.469 this is what we're going to do. We're going to 1292 01:08:01.510 --> 01:08:05.769 write scripts. Before I send them to HBO, before I 1293 01:08:05.809 --> 01:08:08.210 send them to my partners, I'm going to send them 1294 01:08:08.250 --> 01:08:11.219 to you. And it's really simple. If you hate it, 1295 01:08:12.070 --> 01:08:14.349 you got to tell me and I'm going to change it. 1296 01:08:14.949 --> 01:08:17.090 I'm not going to argue with you. I'm not going 1297 01:08:17.109 --> 01:08:19.909 to try to convince you otherwise. I'm going to just 1298 01:08:19.970 --> 01:08:24.119 change it. It's that important to me that you're 100 1299 01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:27.539 percent in love with this show. And, you know, he 1300 01:08:27.579 --> 01:08:30.560 sort of looked at me like, yeah, typical Hollywood bullshit. 1301 01:08:31.380 --> 01:08:33.880 And I said, you know, and test me because I'm 1302 01:08:33.899 --> 01:08:35.579 going to give you a script and I want I 1303 01:08:35.619 --> 01:08:37.880 really want to know what you think. So the first 1304 01:08:37.909 --> 01:08:39.960 couple of scripts, he gave us notes. He gave us 1305 01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:43.300 rather extensive notes about this, that, and the other. And 1306 01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:46.079 I would tell him why we changed this from the 1307 01:08:46.119 --> 01:08:49.720 comic book and what this meant to the character, et cetera. 1308 01:08:50.699 --> 01:08:54.229 And not in a confrontational way or I'm right, you're wrong, 1309 01:08:54.250 --> 01:08:56.949 but just this is what the thinking was. And if 1310 01:08:56.989 --> 01:08:59.970 you can accept that thinking, great. If you can't accept 1311 01:09:00.100 --> 01:09:02.739 that thinking, that's great too. I'm going to change it. 1312 01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:06.420 And so after the first couple of episodes that we 1313 01:09:06.460 --> 01:09:12.039 did that, he would just, I love it. I love it. Oh, 1314 01:09:12.060 --> 01:09:14.319 I had this one thought. Maybe you could think about 1315 01:09:14.359 --> 01:09:18.449 doing that. And I'll go, done. Changed. We just changed it. 1316 01:09:19.689 --> 01:09:23.770 And so it was crucial that Bill Gaines loved the show. 1317 01:09:24.609 --> 01:09:27.319

And one day, you know, while Dick Donah was shooting 1318 01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:29.680 Lethal 3, I think it was, Lethal Weapon 3 on 1319 01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:32.260 the Warner's lot, Joel calls me and he goes, you 1320 01:09:32.300 --> 01:09:34.180 got to come over to his trailer. We're having lunch. 1321 01:09:34.220 --> 01:09:36.640 Bill Gaines is flying in and we're going to have 1322 01:09:36.680 --> 01:09:43.779 lunch together. And I'm thinking, something's up. I wonder if 1323 01:09:43.810 --> 01:09:48.210 they're going to fire me. Something's not right. I don't know. 1324 01:09:48.659 --> 01:09:50.560 I don't trust these guys. So I go to lunch 1325 01:09:51.039 --> 01:09:53.920 and we're having lunch. And all of a sudden, Joel 1326 01:09:53.939 --> 01:09:56.590 looks at Bill Gaines and he goes, so Bill, if 1327 01:09:56.600 --> 01:09:59.090 you really don't like what Gil's doing, tell me and 1328 01:09:59.109 --> 01:10:02.229 we'll fire him. And I'm thinking, OK, here it comes. 1329 01:10:02.449 --> 01:10:05.670 I'm going to get fired. And Bill looks at Joel 1330 01:10:05.710 --> 01:10:08.520 and goes, are you crazy? You should sign him to 1331 01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:11.560 a life contract. He's the only guy in Hollywood I 1332 01:10:11.619 --> 01:10:14.220 trust to do what he says he's going to do, 1333 01:10:14.539 --> 01:10:17.840 because everything I've asked for in the scripts is have happened. 1334 01:10:18.060 --> 01:10:20.659 And he's explained to me why he couldn't do what 1335 01:10:20.699 --> 01:10:24.119 he couldn't do and made total sense to me. You know, 1336 01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:26.680 that meant the world to me. That meant more to 1337 01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:32.560 me than pretty much anything else. Because if he can't 1338 01:10:33.970 --> 01:10:37.489 be faithful to the creators and the creation of what 1339 01:10:37.590 --> 01:10:40.869 they actually made, then what the hell are you doing? 1340 01:10:42.250 --> 01:10:45.529 Do something else. Do a different topic. Do a different show. 1341 01:10:46.050 --> 01:10:49.470 Call it water mills over the edge. Why are we 1342 01:10:49.489 --> 01:10:51.850 calling it Tales from the Crypt unless we're taking advantage 1343 01:10:52.409 --> 01:10:57.210 and mining the goodness of what they created? So, yeah, 1344 01:10:57.250 --> 01:10:59.069 that meant a lot to me. And, you know, we 1345 01:10:59.109 --> 01:11:02.829 remain really good friends with Bill until his death. In fact, 1346 01:11:02.850 --> 01:11:06.289 my wife and I were flying to New York and Annie, 1347 01:11:06.329 --> 01:11:09.170 his wife, called us and she said, I got to 1348 01:11:09.189 --> 01:11:10.710 tell you something. And I said, well, we're going to 1349 01:11:10.750 --> 01:11:12.670 see you tomorrow night for dinner. Let's talk then. And 1350 01:11:12.710 --> 01:11:14.770 she said, no, no, we're not having dinner tomorrow night. 1351 01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:21.039 Bill just passed away and blew our minds. And we 1352 01:11:21.060 --> 01:11:23.819 saw Randy when we came to New York. But, you know, 1353 01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:25.680 Bill was that kind of guy. He was just a 1354 01:11:25.779 --> 01:11:28.460 real special character. And he was a character. He was 1355 01:11:28.479 --> 01:11:32.479 this long, lanky guy with long white hair. And, you know, 1356 01:11:32.550 --> 01:11:34.189 we would always say, well, let's, I would say, let's, 1357 01:11:34.270 --> 01:11:36.170 we're going to take you to someplace really nice. And 1358 01:11:36.189 --> 01:11:38.069 he would go, no, when you come to New York, 1359 01:11:38.449 --> 01:11:41.390 we always go to Jackson Hole's for hamburgers. And when 1360 01:11:41.449 --> 01:11:43.869 I come to Los Angeles, we go to Musso Frank's. 1361 01:11:44.340 --> 01:11:46.180 I don't think of any other restaurants. Those are the 1362 01:11:46.220 --> 01:11:49.090 only two restaurants we go to. But that meant a 1363 01:11:49.130 --> 01:11:51.409 lot to me that he loved the show as much 1364 01:11:51.470 --> 01:11:51.869 as he did. 1365 01:11:53.449 --> 01:11:59.479 And, you know, to go back to, you know, like how, 1366 01:11:59.649 --> 01:12:01.420 I suppose how well revered a lot of this stuff 1367 01:12:01.460 --> 01:12:03.779 is from an audience standpoint, because I think it shines through. 1368 01:12:03.819 --> 01:12:08.119 I think people, I think even subconsciously people who are 1369 01:12:08.199 --> 01:12:10.739 into stuff, but maybe are not as into it and, 1370 01:12:10.770 --> 01:12:14.010 you know, research it and, somewhat obsessed over it and 1371 01:12:14.029 --> 01:12:15.989 they want to find out all the interesting you know 1372 01:12:16.090 --> 01:12:19.270 all the little details i definitely think there's a degree 1373 01:12:19.470 --> 01:12:24.310 of people have a pretty good like kind of bullshit 1374 01:12:24.380 --> 01:12:27.689 meter for things that were done with care and passion 1375 01:12:27.729 --> 01:12:32.000 and genuine like good energy versus oh yeah you know 1376 01:12:32.039 --> 01:12:34.560 we're gonna make tales from the crypt show just because 1377 01:12:34.739 --> 01:12:36.359 we feel like that's a kind of a hot ip 1378 01:12:36.420 --> 01:12:39.640 or let's make another superman because why not it's superman 1379 01:12:39.699 --> 01:12:42.090 let's just make it anyway I think people can really 1380 01:12:42.229 --> 01:12:44.489 feel that come through the screen or even when they 1381 01:12:44.529 --> 01:12:48.029 see interviews or they see people talk about it, you 1382 01:12:48.050 --> 01:12:50.090 can kind of tell when it's been done from a 1383 01:12:50.130 --> 01:12:53.029 good place or when it's been done from like a, well, 1384 01:12:53.069 --> 01:12:55.470 you know what? This makes X amount of zeros. Let's 1385 01:12:55.510 --> 01:12:56.729 just go ahead and do that. 1386 01:12:58.069 --> 01:13:00.109 Yeah, I would hope so. I really would hope so 1387 01:13:00.149

--> 01:13:02.510 because I don't know any other way to do it. 1388 01:13:03.229 --> 01:13:05.670 Maybe if I knew another way of doing it, I 1389 01:13:05.710 --> 01:13:07.729 would do it or I'd be more successful than I 1390 01:13:08.010 --> 01:13:10.859 have been. But, I can't think of any other way 1391 01:13:10.899 --> 01:13:13.300 to do it. If I'm not passionate about what I'm doing, 1392 01:13:14.340 --> 01:13:17.720 I can't do it. I just can't do it. Whether 1393 01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:21.010 it be accounting 100 years ago or something that somebody 1394 01:13:21.050 --> 01:13:24.529 shows me now, I can't do it. The fact that 1395 01:13:24.789 --> 01:13:28.989 perhaps it comes across in the final product is very 1396 01:13:29.029 --> 01:13:30.529 gratifying to me if that's true. 1397 01:13:31.630 --> 01:13:33.140 One or two more things before I let you go. 1398 01:13:34.039 --> 01:13:40.050 I asked about some crazy fan interactions or Has anyone ever, 1399 01:13:40.710 --> 01:13:42.569 I don't know, shown you something that they have from 1400 01:13:42.609 --> 01:13:45.050 a movie you made or whatever that's just completely blown 1401 01:13:45.090 --> 01:13:47.210 your mind? Is there anything that comes to mind? Have 1402 01:13:47.250 --> 01:13:49.149 you ever had an experience like that? 1403 01:13:49.989 --> 01:13:52.979 Well, you know, we did a 30th or 25th anniversary 1404 01:13:53.260 --> 01:13:57.220 of either Bordello of Blood or Demon Knight up here 1405 01:13:57.239 --> 01:14:00.439 in Vancouver. And I got a call from this place 1406 01:14:00.460 --> 01:14:03.659 called the Rio Theater. And they said, we would like 1407 01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:06.939 you to come to the screening and talk afterwards about 1408 01:14:07.170 --> 01:14:10.020 making the movie. And I said, I don't want to 1409 01:14:10.039 --> 01:14:12.140 talk to 25 people. You know, if you're going to 1410 01:14:12.180 --> 01:14:14.439 have 25 people in the audience, I, I don't really 1411 01:14:14.460 --> 01:14:17.590 want to see in a 500 seat theater, 25 people. 1412 01:14:17.600 --> 01:14:19.630 And they said, what are you kidding me? If we 1413 01:14:19.729 --> 01:14:22.130 say that you're going to be there, it'll sell out. 1414 01:14:22.609 --> 01:14:25.109 And I said, no, no, that's bullshit. That's not going 1415 01:14:25.130 --> 01:14:28.890 to happen. And so they said, if, if we should 1416 01:14:28.949 --> 01:14:30.909 show you that that would happen, would you do it? 1417 01:14:31.109 --> 01:14:34.039 And I said, absolutely. And they said, okay, we're going 1418 01:14:34.060 --> 01:14:36.380 to call you in a few days. And so I'm 1419 01:14:36.420 --> 01:14:39.159 looking at the newspapers. I see no ads, no nothing. 1420 01:14:40.069 --> 01:14:41.840 Three days later, they call me and they go, we're 1421 01:14:41.859 --> 01:14:43.960 sold out. And I go, how could you be sold out? 1422 01:14:44.119 --> 01:14:47.420 I haven't even seen anything. And they said,

Gil, it's 1423 01:14:47.460 --> 01:14:50.659 not done in the newspapers anymore. It's all online. We 1424 01:14:50.699 --> 01:14:53.109 put a notice out that you would be attending and 1425 01:14:53.149 --> 01:14:55.609 that you would be speaking about the movie after the screening. 1426 01:14:57.310 --> 01:15:01.229 And we just sold out. So I said, really? And 1427 01:15:01.250 --> 01:15:03.909 they said, yeah. And so I said, OK, I'm there. 1428 01:15:04.529 --> 01:15:06.140 I said, but if I get there and there are 1429 01:15:06.220 --> 01:15:09.310 only 25 people in the audience, I'm going home. And 1430 01:15:09.329 --> 01:15:12.310 they said, believe me, it'll be more than that. So 1431 01:15:12.380 --> 01:15:14.920 my wife and I go to the Rio, and I 1432 01:15:14.939 --> 01:15:18.220 parked the car, and I see outside, there's a line outside. 1433 01:15:18.399 --> 01:15:20.779 And I'm looking like, I wonder what else they're showing there. 1434 01:15:20.800 --> 01:15:23.939 Because it was a series of movies. And I thought, gee, 1435 01:15:24.279 --> 01:15:27.229 they must be having somebody really cool there. Maybe we'll 1436 01:15:27.270 --> 01:15:30.609 stay and see. So we go there, and the line 1437 01:15:30.670 --> 01:15:33.789 is for, I think it was Bordello of Blood. And 1438 01:15:33.850 --> 01:15:39.029 I'm like, wow. Okay. And so we go inside and, 1439 01:15:39.970 --> 01:15:41.680 and they said, could you say a few words before 1440 01:15:41.689 --> 01:15:44.319 the movie starts? And I said, yeah, be happy to. 1441 01:15:44.359 --> 01:15:46.760 And I said, listen, I haven't seen this movie since 1442 01:15:46.819 --> 01:15:50.020 I made it 25 years ago. So if, when you 1443 01:15:50.039 --> 01:15:54.000 finish the movie, if you really don't like it, I 1444 01:15:54.039 --> 01:15:57.149 don't have to speak. We can all just go home. Just, 1445 01:15:57.329 --> 01:15:59.810 I understand. It's not one of my highlights of my 1446 01:15:59.850 --> 01:16:02.649 career that making that movie. And they, they sort of, 1447 01:16:02.689 --> 01:16:05.609 you know, laughed and I got off and they screened 1448 01:16:05.630 --> 01:16:09.159 the movie. finished the movie, and I go up and 1449 01:16:09.199 --> 01:16:13.239 start talking. And they allocated like 40 minutes or something 1450 01:16:13.260 --> 01:16:16.380 like that because they were having another screening of another movie. 1451 01:16:16.880 --> 01:16:19.180 And so after I said to them, look, just stop me. 1452 01:16:19.319 --> 01:16:22.520 I'll talk until you guys stop me. And so they said, great. 1453 01:16:22.979 --> 01:16:25.760 So I'm on there, and it feels like it's more 1454 01:16:25.800 --> 01:16:29.140 than 40 minutes. It feels like it's more than an hour. 1455 01:16:29.960 --> 01:16:32.060 And I'm like, geez, what's going on here? And they said, well, 1456 01:16:32.100 --> 01:16:35.239 we canceled the other screening because the reaction to this 1457 01:16:35.279 --> 01:16:39.310 was so great. And, you know, these people had incredible 1458 01:16:39.369 --> 01:16:44.100 questions and insight into how we made the movie. That 1459 01:16:44.109 --> 01:16:46.439 was mind boggling to me. I mean, I just, it's like, 1460 01:16:46.489 --> 01:16:48.539 how do you know this stuff? Where did you find 1461 01:16:48.640 --> 01:16:53.779 out about that particular problem? And it was unbelievable from that. 1462 01:16:53.840 --> 01:16:58.619 We finished the conversation with the audience. I went backstage 1463 01:16:58.659 --> 01:17:02.680 to leave and the guy who orchestrated the whole thing said, 1464 01:17:02.699 --> 01:17:04.039 you know, there are a bunch of people in the, 1465 01:17:04.060 --> 01:17:08.069 in the lobby. And they have various paraphernalia from the movie. 1466 01:17:08.729 --> 01:17:11.399 Would you be willing to sign some of them? And 1467 01:17:11.420 --> 01:17:14.300 I said, of course. I go into the lobby and 1468 01:17:15.060 --> 01:17:16.859 there's a line out the door. It's not a couple 1469 01:17:16.880 --> 01:17:21.939 of people. And they're showing me the show and one 1470 01:17:21.979 --> 01:17:25.210 sheets and pictures. God knows how they got the pictures. 1471 01:17:26.069 --> 01:17:27.970 And I'm signing away for an hour and a half. 1472 01:17:28.010 --> 01:17:31.890 I'm signing away this stuff. And it just blew my 1473 01:17:31.930 --> 01:17:36.180 mind that You know, I was worried that 25 people 1474 01:17:36.319 --> 01:17:38.079 were going to show up and here we had 500 1475 01:17:38.079 --> 01:17:42.659 people and they were all like, they're very enthusiastic. So 1476 01:17:43.180 --> 01:17:45.640 that kind of reaction is very gratifying, you know, and, 1477 01:17:46.199 --> 01:17:48.159 you know, part of me is very gratified and part 1478 01:17:48.180 --> 01:17:50.479 of me says, wants to say, hey guys, get a life, 1479 01:17:50.520 --> 01:17:50.819 will you? 1480 01:17:52.359 --> 01:17:54.239 So when I show you what I'm about to show 1481 01:17:54.279 --> 01:17:58.819 you next is kind of how I feel about this, 1482 01:17:58.880 --> 01:18:01.239 but have you ever been shown any tattoos from anything 1483 01:18:01.279 --> 01:18:05.510 that you've worked on? And this will probably be a 1484 01:18:05.529 --> 01:18:07.550 bit of a more obscure one, is all I would say. 1485 01:18:07.590 --> 01:18:09.109 It's probably not the one you'll like. 1486 01:18:09.189 --> 01:18:12.489 I'm sure we've seen tattoos of Crypt Keeper and of 1487 01:18:12.529 --> 01:18:14.449 Superman and of Brandon Routh. 1488 01:18:15.090 --> 01:18:18.100 But here's one that's a little bit more obscure. It's 1489 01:18:18.140 --> 01:18:20.039 kind of like, you know, you have to be into 1490 01:18:20.060 --> 01:18:22.619 it to kind of get it. But I dedicated a 1491 01:18:23.619 --> 01:18:25.920 huge portion, I would say, of my arm. I don't 1492 01:18:25.939 --> 01:18:28.729 have very big arms, but a huge portion of what

1493 01:18:28.829 --> 01:18:31.390 arms I do have to something that you worked on. 1494 01:18:36.310 --> 01:18:36.729 Ghost Ship. 1495 01:18:37.569 --> 01:18:40.289 Yes, we have the artwork from Ghost Ship, which is 1496 01:18:40.310 --> 01:18:44.090 very obscure. I actually originally had a plan to have 1497 01:18:44.109 --> 01:18:48.609 House on Haunted Hill, 13 Ghosts and Ghost Ship all 1498 01:18:49.250 --> 01:18:49.649 kind of. 1499 01:18:49.569 --> 01:18:52.560 In the one. But your arm's not big enough. By 1500 01:18:52.579 --> 01:18:54.239 the way, can you send me that arm? 1501 01:18:54.439 --> 01:18:54.819 I can. 1502 01:18:54.899 --> 01:18:57.119 Just chop it off and send it because when I 1503 01:18:57.140 --> 01:18:59.050 sell off some of these things that I'm thinking of 1504 01:18:59.090 --> 01:19:01.149 selling off, we can probably get a lot of money 1505 01:19:01.170 --> 01:19:01.649 for your arm. 1506 01:19:01.970 --> 01:19:06.149 Potentially. Potentially. I guess final thing before I let you 1507 01:19:06.189 --> 01:19:09.989 go then, you know, what is it that I suppose 1508 01:19:10.050 --> 01:19:12.670 keeps you going now. And then what does this whole 1509 01:19:12.729 --> 01:19:16.199 journey meant to you? Like all the other stuff, you know, 1510 01:19:17.079 --> 01:19:18.920 all the cool stuff you've been able to do all that. 1511 01:19:18.939 --> 01:19:21.279 But like when you sit back with your wife or 1512 01:19:21.319 --> 01:19:24.260 when you're in your downtime, like what is this whole 1513 01:19:24.359 --> 01:19:26.560 journey and experience meant? You know, we always talk about 1514 01:19:27.279 --> 01:19:29.949 what us, the audience gets, Oh, you know, your movies 1515 01:19:29.989 --> 01:19:32.069 made me feel like this, or, you know, I was 1516 01:19:32.090 --> 01:19:34.029 going through a hard time or whatever, but we never 1517 01:19:34.090 --> 01:19:37.680 kind of flip the lens and, And ask the people 1518 01:19:37.739 --> 01:19:39.760 that have made these projects, like, how has it been 1519 01:19:39.779 --> 01:19:40.039 for you? 1520 01:19:41.239 --> 01:19:43.100 Good question. You know, I think at the end of 1521 01:19:43.140 --> 01:19:46.100 the day, and when I sit down and sort of 1522 01:19:46.140 --> 01:19:49.920 have a glass of wine or something, it's really about 1523 01:19:49.939 --> 01:19:54.100 the people. It's really about the people I've met and 1524 01:19:54.119 --> 01:19:59.229 I've worked with and I've argued with. And, you know, 1525 01:19:59.250 --> 01:20:02.789 when I think of, well, I talked about Tim Curry 1526 01:20:03.430 --> 01:20:08.079 and Bob Zemeckis and Dick Donner. And even Joel Silver, who, 1527 01:20:08.140 --> 01:20:11.090 you know, our relationship was one of an argument. We 1528 01:20:11.149 --> 01:20:14.770 only argued. We never spoke. My wife would always kid me. 1529 01:20:15.189 --> 01:20:16.909 She would always know when Joel was calling me on 1530 01:20:16.930 --> 01:20:19.229 the phone at home because my decibel level of my 1531 01:20:19.289 --> 01:20:22.890 voice would go up tenfold. And I would even argue 1532 01:20:22.909 --> 01:20:24.829 with Joel. And I would say, you know, Joel, our 1533 01:20:24.869 --> 01:20:27.909 problem is we never talk. We only argue. And he 1534 01:20:27.930 --> 01:20:29.979 would raise his voice even louder. And he'd go, what 1535 01:20:29.989 --> 01:20:32.500 are you talking about? This is us talking. We're not arguing. 1536 01:20:32.520 --> 01:20:34.699 We're talking. And I said, no, we're arguing. So we 1537 01:20:34.739 --> 01:20:37.460 would even argue about whether we were arguing or talking. 1538 01:20:38.300 --> 01:20:40.000 But I think it really comes down to the people. 1539 01:20:40.119 --> 01:20:43.420 I worked with F. Murray Abraham. I worked with so 1540 01:20:43.460 --> 01:20:48.279 many wonderful, talented people. I'll give you a funny story. 1541 01:20:48.770 --> 01:20:50.989 Joel calls me one day and he said, look, Tails 1542 01:20:51.050 --> 01:20:53.510 is doing great. Who do you want in a show? 1543 01:20:53.670 --> 01:20:55.829 Tell me the star because, you know, that's working. You know, 1544 01:20:55.850 --> 01:20:58.590 you got Whoopi Goldberg and she did that for you. 1545 01:20:58.689 --> 01:21:01.609 And she's just a great actress and a great, great buddy. 1546 01:21:01.960 --> 01:21:03.960 And at the time, and who would you like to 1547 01:21:03.979 --> 01:21:07.420 work with? I said, well, I would love to work 1548 01:21:07.479 --> 01:21:13.079 with Liz Taylor, Elizabeth Taylor. And he said, Elizabeth Taylor 1549 01:21:13.279 --> 01:21:17.060 on Tales from the Crypt? I said, yeah. I said, 1550 01:21:18.319 --> 01:21:20.819 I'm going to call you back tomorrow. And I thought, okay, 1551 01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:23.520 that's it. Enough from him. I won't hear from him again. 1552 01:21:23.550 --> 01:21:25.909 The next day he goes, okay, write this down. Here's 1553 01:21:25.949 --> 01:21:29.189 a number. And I write down the number and he goes, tomorrow, 1554 01:21:29.289 --> 01:21:33.250 three o'clock, you call this number. And you'll be speaking 1555 01:21:33.270 --> 01:21:38.229 to Elizabeth and don't call her Liz, only Elizabeth. I said, really? 1556 01:21:38.260 --> 01:21:41.100 He said, yeah, but make sure you do it at 1557 01:21:41.119 --> 01:21:43.479 three o'clock. So the next day, of course, I make 1558 01:21:43.500 --> 01:21:47.880 the call and this little voice gets on. And I said, 1559 01:21:48.380 --> 01:21:52.310 may I speak with Elizabeth Taylor, please? And this voice goes, 1560 01:21:52.890 --> 01:21:56.689 is this Gil? And I went, is this Elizabeth? And 1561 01:21:56.710 --> 01:22:00.310 she goes, it is. And she said, Joel told me 1562 01:22:00.350 --> 01:22:02.470 you wanted to talk to me about doing Tales from 1563 01:22:02.510 --> 01:22:04.859 the Crypt, which I'm so excited about that you want 1564 01:22:04.880 --> 01:22:07.279

to talk to me about it. And I said, well, 1565 01:22:07.300 --> 01:22:09.220 I'd love you to do an episode. Would you like 1566 01:22:09.239 --> 01:22:12.420 to do an episode? She said, yeah. She said, but 1567 01:22:12.439 --> 01:22:15.340 I have one stipulation. I said, oh, what's that? She said, 1568 01:22:15.640 --> 01:22:19.010 you got to kill me. I said, what? She said, 1569 01:22:19.020 --> 01:22:20.630 I've never been killed in a movie. You got to 1570 01:22:20.670 --> 01:22:22.949 kill me. I said, I don't know if I could 1571 01:22:22.989 --> 01:22:25.550 do that, Elizabeth. I killed Elizabeth Taylor. I don't know 1572 01:22:25.569 --> 01:22:27.680 if I could do that. Think about it. See if 1573 01:22:27.699 --> 01:22:30.060 you can come up with an episode for me and 1574 01:22:30.100 --> 01:22:33.439 call me back. And I get off the phone and 1575 01:22:34.380 --> 01:22:36.619 I'm talking to Alan Katz, my writing partner. I'm going, 1576 01:22:37.960 --> 01:22:40.939 can we write something for Elizabeth and kill her? I 1577 01:22:40.960 --> 01:22:42.399 don't know if I can feel good about that. I 1578 01:22:42.399 --> 01:22:45.239 don't know if I could do that. And of course, 1579 01:22:45.479 --> 01:22:47.390 we got busy with our show. She got busy with 1580 01:22:47.430 --> 01:22:50.630 her life and it never happened. But I mean, it 1581 01:22:50.649 --> 01:22:53.529 was an interesting conversation to have out of the blue 1582 01:22:53.750 --> 01:22:56.989 with Elizabeth Taylor. So, you know, it really comes down 1583 01:22:57.029 --> 01:22:59.170 to when I think about my career, I think about, 1584 01:22:59.210 --> 01:23:00.569 you know, when I look at these movies, which I 1585 01:23:00.609 --> 01:23:04.380 don't look at very often, I hadn't seen Bordello in 1586 01:23:04.380 --> 01:23:06.439 25 years. I hadn't seen Damon Knight in 30 years. 1587 01:23:07.239 --> 01:23:09.500 It really comes down to when I watch some of 1588 01:23:09.539 --> 01:23:11.960 these movies, and this is probably why I don't watch them. 1589 01:23:12.300 --> 01:23:14.199 It always comes to me in my mind. It's what 1590 01:23:14.239 --> 01:23:17.680 happened that day. What did we do to get that? Oh, 1591 01:23:17.739 --> 01:23:19.439 I had to go through this. And remember when the 1592 01:23:19.539 --> 01:23:21.600 actor wouldn't come out of the trailer or when the 1593 01:23:21.619 --> 01:23:24.520 guy threw a coffee pot at me or this happened 1594 01:23:24.560 --> 01:23:28.189 or that happened. that's what reflects in my head when 1595 01:23:28.210 --> 01:23:30.390 I'm watching these movies. And that's probably why I don't 1596 01:23:30.430 --> 01:23:34.640 watch them anymore, but it really comes down to these 1597 01:23:34.699 --> 01:23:39.699 people that I've had interaction with that are really quite 1598 01:23:39.779 --> 01:23:41.979 special to me. Yeah. I think, I think it really 1599 01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:44.010 comes down to that. Does that, did I answer your 1600 01:23:44.050 --> 01:23:45.850 question or did I? Yeah, it does. 1601 01:23:45.869 --> 01:23:49.829 Cause I think ultimately it feeds into, I think some 1602 01:23:49.850 --> 01:23:51.930 sort of connection thing. And I think the audience connect 1603 01:23:51.949 --> 01:23:55.210 with the material and, but inadvertently we don't realize we're 1604 01:23:55.229 --> 01:23:58.090 connecting with each other. And I've connected with people like 1605 01:23:58.130 --> 01:24:01.250 yourself who have created these things, but I've also connected 1606 01:24:01.270 --> 01:24:04.260 with other people who are just an audience member. And we, 1607 01:24:04.609 --> 01:24:06.159 I don't know, there's a, I don't really know how 1608 01:24:06.199 --> 01:24:08.600 to explain it, but there's some form of energy. And 1609 01:24:08.640 --> 01:24:11.539 then I can think back to even memories of going 1610 01:24:11.579 --> 01:24:13.199 to see some of these movies. 1611 01:24:12.920 --> 01:24:13.579 For the first time. 1612 01:24:14.539 --> 01:24:14.880 Yeah. 1613 01:24:16.199 --> 01:24:18.899 And I don't know. I wouldn't call the audience members, 1614 01:24:18.979 --> 01:24:21.819 just audience members. I mean, we didn't have just audience 1615 01:24:21.880 --> 01:24:26.390 members in, We have nothing. I mean, they are important 1616 01:24:26.430 --> 01:24:30.840 to us and their reaction to our work is incredibly 1617 01:24:30.880 --> 01:24:33.960 important to us. I take it very seriously when I 1618 01:24:33.979 --> 01:24:36.979 hear a reaction from a member of the audience that 1619 01:24:37.020 --> 01:24:39.220 says they like something or if they didn't like something, 1620 01:24:39.279 --> 01:24:42.539 why they didn't like something. And I need to process that. 1621 01:24:42.579 --> 01:24:44.520 I need to think about that in terms of what 1622 01:24:44.539 --> 01:24:47.640 I'm doing, the next thing I'm doing and how might 1623 01:24:47.680 --> 01:24:49.380 that affect what I'm doing. 1624 01:24:50.800 --> 01:24:52.859 I love that. It's been a pleasure to be able 1625 01:24:52.880 --> 01:24:55.439 to talk to you and chew your ear off for 1626 01:24:55.720 --> 01:24:59.500 the last hour and 25 minutes. I would love to 1627 01:24:59.520 --> 01:25:01.600 stay in touch. I would love to extend the olive 1628 01:25:01.619 --> 01:25:04.300 branch if you ever have anything you want to talk 1629 01:25:04.340 --> 01:25:06.739 about or anything like that or upcoming stuff to come 1630 01:25:06.760 --> 01:25:08.140 back on again and do this again. 1631 01:25:08.199 --> 01:25:11.180 Cool. And, you know, we're doing this in the States 1632 01:25:11.220 --> 01:25:13.899 a bit. We haven't really done this in Europe or 1633 01:25:13.920 --> 01:25:17.829 in England or in Ireland. But, you know, I do 1634 01:25:18.369 --> 01:25:21.989 speak at festivals and I speak at universities. And if 1635 01:25:22.069 --> 01:25:24.170 you know of any place over there that might be 1636 01:25:24.229 --> 01:25:28.680 interested in doing something online or even bringing me over 1637 01:25:28.819 --> 01:25:32.479 and talking about whatever with their students or with, I 1638 01:25:32.500 --> 01:25:35.979 really kind of enjoy doing that. And I think, you know, 1639 01:25:36.039 --> 01:25:38.520 one of the things I'm, which we didn't really talk about, 1640 01:25:38.729 --> 01:25:40.529 was one of the things I'm trying to do now 1641 01:25:41.670 --> 01:25:45.859 is really develop material with just a very few number 1642 01:25:45.890 --> 01:25:49.409 of people of writers. And to me, you know, when 1643 01:25:49.430 --> 01:25:50.869 I think about what do I want to do next, 1644 01:25:51.529 --> 01:25:54.270 what I want to do next is really develop writers 1645 01:25:55.149 --> 01:25:58.210 and try to help young writers get to that next level. 1646 01:25:58.590 --> 01:26:01.350 Because I think it's much more difficult today than even 1647 01:26:01.390 --> 01:26:05.130 when I started out. And so, you know, I work 1648 01:26:05.149 --> 01:26:08.550 with about two or three writers here from LA, but 1649 01:26:08.609 --> 01:26:12.100 I'm up in Canada, and working on material and writing 1650 01:26:12.159 --> 01:26:15.579 and rewriting and giving notes. And I think we're getting 1651 01:26:15.960 --> 01:26:18.939 pretty close to a couple of projects. But I really 1652 01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:21.939 enjoy that process, working with those kinds of people and 1653 01:26:21.979 --> 01:26:26.010 talking about the writing process and what to do about 1654 01:26:26.649 --> 01:26:30.449 creating and how you write and what's important and directing. 1655 01:26:31.670 --> 01:26:33.090 Like I said, I would love to stay in touch. 1656 01:26:34.050 --> 01:26:35.760 I would love to do this again at some point. 1657 01:26:37.520 --> 01:26:38.279 Just let me know when. 1658 01:26:38.619 --> 01:26:41.279 Yeah, it's been a pleasure. For everybody listening to the show, 1659 01:26:41.539 --> 01:26:44.020 I'll put the links to anything relevant. down below in 1660 01:26:44.050 --> 01:26:47.859 the description. We appreciate everyone for listening and yeah, we'll 1661 01:26:47.880 --> 01:26:48.760 see you in the next episode. 1662 01:26:50.569 --> 01:26:50.829 Thank you. 1663 01:27:08.159 --> 01:27:12.199 Thanks for listening to another episode of Class Horrorcast. Stop 1664 01:27:12.260 --> 01:27:19.210 the CHC podcast at classhorrorcast.com, at First Class Horror on Instagram, TikTok, 1665 01:27:19.270 --> 01:27:23.989 and YouTube, or on Twitter at class underscore horror. The 1666 01:27:24.050 --> 01:27:27.529 CHC podcast is hosted and produced by Aaron Doyle and 1667 01:27:27.760 --> 01:27:29.880 is an FCH production.