התמלול המלא של Astrological Returns with Theresa Reed

New Moon on 33 00:02:39.199 --> 00:02:42.800 the fourteenth. But before we get there, there are some 34 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:47.439 other really important things to understand or going on. We 35 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:53.719 have a renewed focus attention to resources and values and 36 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:58.400 the absolute physicality of life. There's a grounding potential in that. 37 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:04.919 With Chiron having just moved into Taurus, and this week Venus, 38 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:08.599 whom I call the social director of the sky, goes 39 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:12.360 into Virgo, which is her fix it mode. Some might 40 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:16.199 say her fuss budget mode. I say Earth mother mode. 41 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:22.000 That's women with a plan territory and Venus look collaborating 42 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:27.520 with Chiron in Taurus will give us all a lot 43 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:31.479 of tools to address what's going on with the physicality 44 00:03:31.520 --> 00:03:35.479 of our existence. And if you've had some financial questions 45 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:40.280 or challenges, as so many people have, this particular transit 46 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:42.520 will help you look at things in terms of what 47 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:46.080 could I do differently, how could I set things up better? 48 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:51.199 How could I improve? This might also involve your physical body. Now, 49 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:57.919 against all of this, we have a huge planetary configuration 50 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:03.919 moving into place. The three outermost planets have been traveling 51 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:10.080 pretty close in pretty quose contact for some time now 52 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:13.039 in air and fire, and in the middle of the 53 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:20.399 month they complete this with one more player entering the picture. Jupiter, 54 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:23.120 the guy that I say ups the ante of any 55 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:26.800 action he gets near, has entered the sign of Leo 56 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:30.120 for the first time in about twelve years. He'll be 57 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:34.920 there through almost the end of July twenty twenty seven, 58 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:42.560 and he's expanding, amplifying, firing up wherever Leo is in 59 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:46.519 your chart. But for everybody there's more of a of 60 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:52.000 an impulse, an imperative to express yourself, to be seen. 61 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:59.040 This is everyone singing cabaret territory, to take center stage 62 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:03.040 and to go where people spark your fire and where 63 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:08.360 your fire inspires other people. So as Jupiter moves into 64 00:05:09.399 --> 00:05:11.279 Leo a little bit more and a little bit more 65 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:14.079 across the middle of the month, from the fifteenth to 66 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:19.480 the twenty fifth, he and the other three outermost planets 67 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:21.879 are going to be lining up in what I have 68 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:28.160 been calling rewiring. They're forming a configuration that looks like 69 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:33.079 a cradle, some call it a basket. There is a 70 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:37.160 French astrologer who's no longer with us, named Andrea Barbo 71 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:40.480 who pointed this out years and years ago, and there's 72 00:05:40.519 --> 00:05:43.680 a lot of information about this online. I've got a 73 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:48.680 video unpacking it on my Professional Aquarium YouTube channel, and 74 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:53.879 I talked last week on the Old Times show Postcards 75 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:57.639 to the Universe with Melissa Caaprio about it, and you 76 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:00.879 can find that on her you tube channel or the 77 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:08.720 Ome Times TV YouTube channel. So we're in extraordinary times. 78 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:13.920 Some aspect of your being is being rewired. There are 79 00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:18.839 impulses coming in that will have the potential to empower 80 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:21.600 each of us to be more fully who we are, 81 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:25.480 and to play a different and possibly more active role 82 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:29.639 in the collective and the community, and to be guided 83 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:36.519 increasingly by our own innate spirit. There's a lot more 84 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:39.639 about this in all of my forecasts, which are at 85 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:46.160 Empowerment Unlimited dot net, the Professional Aquarium YouTube channel, and 86 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:51.759 om Times dot com, So head over there for a 87 00:06:51.800 --> 00:06:56.079 lot more information. Now we're going to talk about something 88 00:06:56.600 --> 00:07:00.879 that is a little more technical but actually expands on 89 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:05.079 concepts that a lot of people have heard and have 90 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:10.199 thrown around for a while. So my guest today is 91 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:13.759 Teresa Reid, who goes by the Tarot Lady. She also 92 00:07:13.959 --> 00:07:16.839 liked me has a background in taro as well, and 93 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:23.000 she is the author of the Book of Astrological Returns, 94 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:25.199 which came out earlier this year. You just off your 95 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:28.040 book tour and I'll just read the official bio here. 96 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:31.879 She's been a paracard reader and astrologer for forty years. 97 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:35.040 She's the author of more than eight best selling and 98 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:40.519 award winning books, including the Tarot coloring book, Astrology for 99 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:45.120 Real Life, The Cards Your Delt, and the co creator 100 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:50.759 of two tarot

decks, Taro for Kids and The Uncommon Tarot. 101 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:54.839 She's a featured writer for The Old Farmer's Almanac, where 102 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:58.120 she you know, I had eyes on one point in 103 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:02.800 my life, where she writes about moonfe zodiac elements, astro cartography, 104 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:06.959 and more. Oh, thank you so much, TERSA, thank you. 105 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:10.040 For being here, thank you for having me Kathy, And boy, 106 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:13.879 did you ever describe July in the most succinct and 107 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:17.639 helpful way? Because it is a crazy month. So I 108 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:20.480 really enjoyed listening. I was behind the scenes of everybody listening. 109 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:21.399 I really loved it. 110 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:27.160 Thank you. I really endeavor to not waste people's time 111 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:30.279 and to put things in language that they can relate to. 112 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:33.840 That's something that's really important to me. So I'm with 113 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:34.279 you on that. 114 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:37.919 Yeah, and your book is incredibly relatable. But before we 115 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:41.200 get to that, I always like to ask a first 116 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:43.840 time guest, how did you come to astrology? 117 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:47.120 Well, first of all, I came to astrology before Taro, 118 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:50.200 even though I'm known as a Tara lady. Astrology was 119 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:54.200 my first love and I came to it like many folks. 120 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:58.279 I was young, I was curious. I had a lot 121 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:02.879 of aunks. I really couldn't figure out, you know, what 122 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:05.559 am I doing? Why am I with this family? Why 123 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:08.480 do I not fit in? And I happened to become 124 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:13.120 friends with a fellow misfit in high school, and by 125 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:16.080 the way, we're still friends to this day. But she 126 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:18.200 had a mother who was really unusual. I grew up 127 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:19.720 in a rural area, by the way, and this woman 128 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:22.559 was very unusual. This was back of the time, by 129 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:25.639 the way, when subdivisions were taking over all the farms, 130 00:09:25.679 --> 00:09:29.240 so somebody like her mother would stand out like a 131 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:31.759 sore thumb. And her mother was a pianist, she was 132 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:35.600 a psychiatrist, and she was also a musician and an astrologer. 133 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:38.919 And so one day when I was visiting, he said, 134 00:09:38.919 --> 00:09:40.679 I want to look at your astrology chart. And I 135 00:09:40.720 --> 00:09:44.559 had seen horoscopes, you know, in the newspaper, and so 136 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:47.240 I knew just tiny little bit about that I was 137 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:51.320 a Gemini. And when she did that chart, I was like, 138 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:54.039 holy cats, this makes a lot of sense. This makes 139 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:55.759 way more sense than a lot of other things that 140 00:09:55.799 --> 00:09:59.840 I've been told. So I got immediately obsessed with the 141 00:09:59.879 --> 00:10:02.039 sh strology, which is not a surprise because I have 142 00:10:02.039 --> 00:10:03.960 a moon in Scorpio. When I get into something, I 143 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:08.279 get into it. And so from that point forward, at 144 00:10:08.279 --> 00:10:13.360 the age of fifteen, I have been studying astrology and 145 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:16.799 taro I discovered just a couple months afterwards, and so 146 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:19.000 I started doing both of them at the same time. 147 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:25.519 Makes complete sense, complete sense. At what point did you 148 00:10:25.799 --> 00:10:27.879 just sort of give your life over to it. 149 00:10:29.919 --> 00:10:32.279 Well, if somebody would have told me back then that 150 00:10:32.279 --> 00:10:34.080 that's what I would be doing with my life, I 151 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:37.840 would have thought they were insane, because my goal when 152 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:39.360 I was a teenager is I was going to go 153 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:41.000 to New York. It was going to be a makeup artist. 154 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:43.519 That was the one thing I really wanted to do. 155 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:48.639 And what ended up happening is that didn't happen. But 156 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:51.559 I was very, very into you know, terror and astrology 157 00:10:51.639 --> 00:10:53.159 for quite some time, and I would have read for 158 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:55.279 anybody who had let me. I think a lot of 159 00:10:55.279 --> 00:10:57.679 people start out that way, and being in a rural 160 00:10:57.720 --> 00:11:00.639 area wasn't too easy. And then I went through a 161 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:03.960 period in my adult life in my early twenties again 162 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:07.960 not really figuring myself out again, and so I decided 163 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:12.559 to take a job bartending. By the way, I'm not 164 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:14.720 really a drinker, so I didn't know what I was doing. 165 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:17.919 I was the world's worst bartender, and they put me 166 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:21.039 on this really dead shift because I just sucked so much, 167 00:11:21.879 --> 00:11:24.519 and so I started bringing in actually my terrort cards 168 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:28.039 to have something to do. Oh yeah, and what yep. 169 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:30.960 And what ended up happening then is my shift became 170 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:34.159 very popular because word spread and I even went to 171 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:36.840 a different bar. People followed me

over and suddenly I 172 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:39.600 had all these people coming in for readings. And one 173 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:41.879 of the common themes people would say is I really 174 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:46.360 want something private, something more in depth. I would love 175 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:49.840 to pay you for that. And I thought, well, maybe 176 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:52.360 I maybe I'll do a business doing this, even though 177 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:55.720 I had no business skills whatsoever. And I had mentioned 178 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:57.399 it to the boss at the time that I was 179 00:11:57.440 --> 00:12:01.519 thinking about starting a business, and he went and told 180 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:05.120 some of the patrons that there's nobody any there's no 181 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:07.279 way anyone's going to pay for it. She's going to fail. 182 00:12:08.360 --> 00:12:10.639 And the one thing I don't like is being told 183 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:14.879 I can't do something. Yeah, and so I and also 184 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:18.080 I've got areas on my sixth and seventh house colust. Okay, 185 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:21.519 you know I'm not meant to be, you know, following orders. 186 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:23.360 I just don't do that very well. And I'm not 187 00:12:23.399 --> 00:12:26.240 afraid to take a risk so I basically quit my 188 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:29.279 job and that was it, and I started doing it 189 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:33.080 just word of mouth, and suddenly I was off and running. 190 00:12:33.159 --> 00:12:36.279 And that was over thirty years ago that I've been 191 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:40.879 reading and reading charts and reading cards for folks, and 192 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:43.519 about six years ago I stopped reading for the public 193 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:45.000 to focus on my writing and teaching. 194 00:12:47.440 --> 00:12:50.679 This all makes complete sense, complete sense. And so many 195 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:55.919 people have companion stories, although mine doesn't involve tending bar, 196 00:12:56.080 --> 00:13:01.480 but you know there's a commonality here. How did you 197 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:04.679 get drawn into the concept of returns? 198 00:13:06.759 --> 00:13:11.679 Well, I mean, first of all, returns have been allays 199 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:14.679 very fascinating for me, beginning with my first Saturn return 200 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:17.399 because also at that time in my life, I was 201 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:19.759 going through a lot of stuff, and you know, what 202 00:13:19.799 --> 00:13:21.519 do we do when we're going through things. We visited 203 00:13:21.519 --> 00:13:24.840 an astrologer or a tarot reader or whatever. So I 204 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:26.960 went and visited an astrologery. He's been gone a long 205 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:30.960 time on rip, Chris Pearce. He was amazing and he 206 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:32.679 looked at my chart and he

says, oh my god, 207 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:35.080 you're a New York satur In return. Now, I had 208 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:37.600 been studying astrology for a long time at that point, 209 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:41.080 and I was really good with transits. But for some 210 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:46.279 reason I missed the note on returns because again this 211 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:48.600 is back in the day, there were no books on it. 212 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:52.039 I don't even remember it being mentioned, and so I'm like, 213 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:54.600 what are you talking about? And he explained it to me, 214 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:56.679 and I'm like, oh, my god, you know, it made 215 00:13:56.679 --> 00:14:00.000 so much sense, it was really impactful, blah blah blah. 216 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:03.559 And so then you know, I started really paying attention 217 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:07.399 to returns like Venus returns for clients or Jupiter Saturn returns, 218 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:10.480 and really was using that in solar returns, of course 219 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:16.200 in my work. And then many years go by, of course, 220 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:18.480 and all of a sudden, here i am in the 221 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:22.039 middle of my second Saturn return and I'm like, okay, 222 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:24.399 I had posted some theories on the second Sandle return, 223 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:27.879 but boy, astrology's theories sometimes now it turns out, isn't 224 00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:31.600 how you anticipated. And so I started looking around, where's 225 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:34.279 the information on second Saturn returns? Why is it always 226 00:14:34.360 --> 00:14:37.559 on first Saturn returns? You know, I started getting kind 227 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:39.879 of ticked off. At the same time, I'm going through 228 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:42.039 a Jupiter return. Okay, let me see what I can 229 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:44.240 find on this, And I'm looking around because now we 230 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:46.519 have the Internet. I mean again, back then when I 231 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:49.279 was looking for this information, there was no Internet, there 232 00:14:49.320 --> 00:14:52.200 was nothing. You got whatever books you could get, and 233 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:57.159 suddenly I'm like, I'll come, there isn't some kind of 234 00:14:57.159 --> 00:15:01.200 a comprehensive thing on return. I mean I could find 235 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:04.519 solar return books, lunar return books. Why not all this 236 00:15:04.600 --> 00:15:07.519 other stuff? Us just went through the Pluto return. Why 237 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:13.279 isn't there one book put some returns together and explains 238 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:15.320 it in a very user friendly way so people can 239 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:17.679 get started before they go down all the rabbit holes. 240 00:15:18.279 --> 00:15:20.320 And that's what led to the book. But I've been 241 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:24.159 doing returns, you know, with clients. Mainly with clients I 242 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:28.720 would do like a solar Jupiter or Saturn, but sometimes 243 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:31.200 there would be a Bemus return. You needed to do that. 244 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:35.440 So you know, all of that learning was through, you know, 245 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:37.679 reading whatever I can get my hands on and really 246 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:39.600 seeing how it showed up for me, et cetera, et cetera. 247 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:43.159 I think one thing that I want to say is 248 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:46.279 most astrologers and terror readers for that matter, we're obsessed 249 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:50.200 with patterns. It's all pattern recognition. That's all astrology and 250 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:55.440 tarot is and return charts are patterns. They set the 251 00:15:55.480 --> 00:15:58.559 tone for the next cycle, and I think that information 252 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:01.919 is really incredibly helpful. You know, it was really fascinating 253 00:16:01.919 --> 00:16:05.200 for me. Both my return charts showed I really didn't 254 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:08.279 get to pass on this for the SATA return that 255 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:10.639 my main lesson is going to be boundaries. I thought 256 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:13.480 for the second satur return maybe it would be something else, 257 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:17.159 but no, that same lesson came back really big and 258 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:20.279 hit me on the face and so I'm going to 259 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:23.519 be working on that for a long time. But it's 260 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:24.519 fascinating stuff. 261 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:29.320 So for just to clarify things, let's define a term. 262 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:32.320 I probably should have had this at the outset, so 263 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:34.360 there might be some people out there that are going returns. 264 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:37.039 What are you talking about? Can you define what a 265 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:37.679 return is? 266 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:42.399 Absolutely so, when an astrologer is talking about a return, 267 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:45.679 what they're talking about is the moment that the transcending 268 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:51.000 planets that are currently moving through the sky align exactly 269 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:54.600 with your natal chart. So, for example, your solo return 270 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:57.360 happens when the Sun is going to be at the 271 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:01.240 exact degree and minute of your birth, and at that time, 272 00:17:01.320 --> 00:17:04.160 then you get a chart that's like a birthday chart 273 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:08.559 or that planet though using the solar return. As an example, 274 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:11.839 I am a twenty degree Gemini though a couple weeks 275 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:15.839 ago when the Sun was at

twenty degrees and forty 276 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:19.519 seven seconds in Gemini boom, that was the exact moment 277 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:23.039 the solar return happened. The planet in the sky is 278 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:26.480 returning to where it was at the time of your birth, 279 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:30.160 and depending on the planet, it sets the stage or 280 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:33.160 a period of time with that planet's themes. 281 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:36.640 So a lot of people have heard the concept of 282 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:40.599 saturn return, which you just mentioned, and some are familiar 283 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:43.599 with the concept of solar return. But as your book 284 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:48.640 makes clear, any placement can have a return, even the nodes. 285 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:53.839 Absolutely, nomal returns are really important. Reverse normal returns are important. 286 00:17:54.279 --> 00:17:57.680 Iron return is important. I mean, all of these returns 287 00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:01.880 again really have something to say about that planet and 288 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:04.880 how you're going to be working with the energy during 289 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:08.680 the return and going forward. So I think they're fascinating, 290 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:10.720 and you've. 291 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:14.880 Come up with a protocol for actually analyzing and it's 292 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:18.240 the same for everything, which is nice and consistent. 293 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:21.480 It's nice and consistent, But I also want to say 294 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:24.400 you can go deeper. My book. When I wrote it, 295 00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:26.920 I wanted to make sure that I wasn't talking over 296 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:30.799 anyone's head that anybody who was newer to astrology, who 297 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:34.920 was already exploring transits could dive in and really understand 298 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:37.880 what this meant. And so it's actually very simple with 299 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:39.880 return charts. You know, the first thing that you're going 300 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:43.519 to do, ask the chart. Modern software allows you to 301 00:18:43.559 --> 00:18:47.279 do that with ease, and I love modern software for that. 302 00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:50.160 You can also find it free online. And what you 303 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:52.000 do then is you're going to look at the chart. 304 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:55.559 And let's just use the satur return chart as an example. 305 00:18:56.359 --> 00:18:57.880 And by the way, when you do a sat In 306 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:00.960 return that or does go retro grades. So you're actually 307 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:03.400 going to end up with three charts, but you always 308 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:07.720 want to focus on the last one because that sets 309 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:10.480 the tone. I think of the first one as it's 310 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:13.720 initiating the second one. We're reviewing the third one. Then 311 00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:16.480 we're going forward now. So what you would do with 312 00:19:16.519 --> 00:19:19.400 the Saturn return chart is you're going to look at Saturn. 313 00:19:20.359 --> 00:19:23.319 Where is Saturn in the return chart. It's not going 314 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:24.960 to be in the same place as your natal chart 315 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:29.119 necessarily depending on the time that that's exact in the sky. 316 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:33.759 And so for example, in my natal chart, saturns in 317 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:37.759 my fifth house, but in my return chart it's in 318 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:42.519 the seventh and so again Saturn likes restrictions, it's got 319 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:45.359 lessons and it's all about boundaries and in the seventh 320 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:48.759 thousand relationships. What am I going to be doing working 321 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:51.599 on that going forward? So we look at the placement 322 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:53.920 of Saturn. Then we want to look at the planet 323 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:57.880 and see how it's aspected. Is it poorly aspected? Is 324 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:00.440 it well aspected? That's going to tell you what tools 325 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:04.160 you're bringing forward. Is it an esterellium. If it is, 326 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:07.559 that's really emphasizing things. So we really want to examine 327 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:10.279 the condition of that planet. The next thing you want 328 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:13.000 to look at is the moon. The moon is going 329 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:15.799 to give you information about how you're showing up emotionally 330 00:20:16.279 --> 00:20:19.759 for this particular return. It will probably not be in 331 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:23.119 the same sign as the moon in your Naedle chart. 332 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:27.000 And then finally we look at the ascendant. Are not 333 00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:30.000 the ascendant? Excuse Oh? Yeah, the ascendant? Excuse me. The 334 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:32.759 ascendant's really really important because the ascendant is how you're 335 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:35.079 showing up to do the work. It's like the hat 336 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:38.279 you're wearing for that return. It might be a hard 337 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:41.359 hat it might be where it's a little bit fancier, 338 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:44.960 and the ascendant, depending on where it's at, we look 339 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:47.400 at that ascendant the ruling or not, depending on where 340 00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:50.119 it's that. We look at the sign, we look at 341 00:20:50.119 --> 00:20:53.720 the ruling planet and where's that ruling planet because that 342 00:20:53.839 --> 00:20:58.200 is also going to give you information about, you know, 343 00:20:58.319 --> 00:21:01.839 where you might expect some empathy. So those are like 344

00:21:01.880 --> 00:21:04.680 the really nitty gritty and then after you do that, 345 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:06.960 the next thing you got to do and again you 346 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:09.039 can go a lot deeper. I mean, you can really 347 00:21:09.079 --> 00:21:13.160 get bananas. But then what you want to do is 348 00:21:13.200 --> 00:21:17.119 look at the transits and really brack those transits as 349 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:19.880 they're moving through, because that's also going to give you 350 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:22.440 a lot of information about how to deal with the 351 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:27.240 return while it's active. So the return chart boom, big theme, 352 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:30.039 the transit chart. Let's pay attention to how things are 353 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:33.519 moving along, and then once we get through the return 354 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:38.359 we have an opportunity then to carry those themes forward mindfully, 355 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:40.599 consciously and hopefully make good choices. 356 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:44.519 So when you say the transit chart, you're basically saying, 357 00:21:44.599 --> 00:21:48.000 put the return chart around your natal chart. 358 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:54.200 Yes, yeah, okay, and see absolutely and it's really important too, 359 00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:57.480 Like for people to remember this, my Saturn is at 360 00:21:57.480 --> 00:21:58.920 seventeen degrees Pisces. 361 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:03.079 As soon as Saturn goes into Pisces, I was in 362 00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:06.839 my saddle return. But the exact moment that it hits 363 00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:09.759 that's the most important point. That's like the crescendo, that 364 00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:12.599 is like boom, the big lesson time seem like when 365 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:15.279 we talk about like something that's a solar return. I'm 366 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:18.640 a twenty degree east. Gemini then goes into Gemini on 367 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:21.960 May twentieth, on the day of Chare, and then it 368 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:24.599 goes into it goes into Gemini, so we already got 369 00:22:24.680 --> 00:22:30.160 Gemini season starting. My exact solar return is going to 370 00:22:30.200 --> 00:22:33.119 be right around my birthday, not necessarily on my birthday, 371 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:36.759 depending on when it's at that exact point. 372 00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:44.359 Well, hold on, I had a thought to all this, 373 00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:49.079 and then it what I'm wondering, do you have like 374 00:22:49.119 --> 00:22:52.599 a favorite one, like an all purpose return? Are there 375 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:56.160 certain returns that you have found to yield more useful 376 00:22:56.200 --> 00:23:00.960 information than others? Because I sense there's one that maybe 377 00:23:01.079 --> 00:23:04.279 isn't that big a deal because it's yes, would be Mercury. 378 00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:07.920 Right, you rarely listen in all the years I did 379 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:13.119 astrology for the public. I rarely did a mercury return. 380 00:23:13.359 --> 00:23:14.920 I mean that is so rare I could probably count 381 00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:16.720 it on one hand. And it was usually when there 382 00:23:16.839 --> 00:23:19.240 was a student going through some things. I was like, well, 383 00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:20.839 let's take a look and see what this kid needs 384 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:23.720 to know. Or maybe if I was feeling like really 385 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:26.400 mentally out of sorts and boggye, I'd go look at 386 00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:29.799 a mercury turn. And you're rarely going to do that, rarely, rarely, rarely. 387 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:35.119 That is like the return that you're going to do 388 00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:37.720 the most is a solar return. I mean that is 389 00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:39.480 the most useful one. That's probably why there's the most 390 00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:42.359 books on solar returns, because it's really giving you an out. 391 00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:45.319 It's giving you like an outlook for your birthday, for 392 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:48.079 the next year, what is the next year all about? So, 393 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:50.359 for example, last year, when I got my solo return, 394 00:23:50.480 --> 00:23:52.799 I always have another astrologer to do it, because you know, 395 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:54.720 you never want to look at your own stuff. It'say, yeah, 396 00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:57.759 you don't pay attention to things. And my astrologer is 397 00:23:57.759 --> 00:23:59.960 Sam Reynolds, and Sam Reynld says, okay, you got yourself 398 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:02.759 in the second house. My good money. He goes, oh, 399 00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:05.839 wait a minute, No, no, it's poorly aspected. You're going 400 00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:08.119 to be bleeding money fast, and I thought he was insane. 401 00:24:09.279 --> 00:24:11.960 I spent so much money in the last year. I 402 00:24:12.039 --> 00:24:16.200 could not believe it because I wasn't paying attention to 403 00:24:16.279 --> 00:24:18.839 what he was seeing, which was the moon in the 404 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:23.440 eighth house in opposition. I didn't even think about it. See, 405 00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:24.880 that's why you gotta have someone else to look at 406 00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:28.519 it sometimes. But this next year looks a lot better, 407 00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:32.359 Thank God. I don't like spending money, but it's really 408 00:24:32.359 --> 00:24:36.079 interesting because if I would have, like not been so resistant, 409 00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:38.319 I probably would have been holding onto that money more 410 00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:40.559 like a hawk. But you know, it is what it is. 411 00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:43.680 That was really useful information for me. Just had my 412 00:24:43.720 --> 00:24:45.240 reading with Sam again. He gave me

a lot of 413 00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:48.599 great advice. I'm definitely not ignoring it. I'm like paying 414 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:51.440 attention because the solo return is really great for a 415 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:54.759 predictive astrology, which I love. So that's my favorite. That 416 00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:57.119 is the most useful one. I would also see. The 417 00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:00.359 second one that I really enjoyed working with with with 418 00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:04.599 clients was always a Saturn return. I love I love Saturn. 419 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:07.279 Though I don't look at Saturn like, oh my god, 420 00:25:07.359 --> 00:25:11.079 Saturn's awful. More if Saturn to me is more like, Okay, 421 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:13.160 here's where I need to do some work. Let me 422 00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:16.759 get in and do this work so I can make 423 00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:21.559 things better. So that, to me is what Saturn's all about. 424 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:26.559 In my early studies, the institute that I went to 425 00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:29.880 had an entire course on Saturn and it was in Texas. 426 00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:32.400 We had to say this with the appropriate accent, which 427 00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:35.440 is Saturn is maw friend. And I've been saying it 428 00:25:35.480 --> 00:25:38.200 for decades. Saturn is my friend. You've got to say 429 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:41.640 it that way. And yeah, you know, otherwise he's going 430 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:43.480 to come down on you with the two before. But 431 00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:48.039 you work and you get your goodies. This I think 432 00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:50.519 is a good It's a little early for our break, 433 00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:54.599 but I think it's a logical easy place for us 434 00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:57.880 to pause. 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Own Times Open yourself 457 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:35.119 to the possibilities. 458 00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:44.119 If I could be you could be me just one hour, 459 00:27:46.519 --> 00:27:50.759 If we could find a way to get inside each 460 00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:51.799 other's mine. 461 00:27:53.200 --> 00:28:00.240 Welcome all in my shoes, walcome all and my shoes. 462 00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:06.000 Well before you abused, criticies and accused Welcome. 463 00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:14.359 Out, Welcome back to celestial compass. I'm talking today with 464 00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:17.319 Teresa Reid, who is the author of a new book 465 00:28:17.799 --> 00:28:21.599 on astrological returns. There you go, and we were talking 466 00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:24.720 about the Saturn return right before the break. And I 467 00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:30.559 have encountered something fascinating with some of my recent clients. Now, 468 00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.079 every once in a while I have run into someone 469 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:36.519 who only has one pass of a planet for the return. 470 00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:39.640 And I have run into several people who are getting 471 00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:44.519 their Saturn return in early arees only once this time around. 472 00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:50.400 But the most interesting interesting case was someone who was 473 00:28:50.440 --> 00:28:54.240 going to have Saturn then go over her son and 474 00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:57.000 retrograde back and forth over that. So it seemed like 475 00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:02.440 a really odd and interesting extension of the whole thing. 476 00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:07.640 Yeah, I again, patterns are everything. When I see somebody 477 00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:09.440 only going through it once. By the way, I will 478 00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:11.279 say this, if you only go through it once with Saturn, 479 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:13.440 if it's not going back and forth, that doesn't mean 480 00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:17.680 you're necessarily Scott three like it's going to be. It's 481 00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:19.759 not necessarily

going to be easy. You've got to look 482 00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:23.160 at more than just like that. You want to look 483 00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:26.920 at again, how is what's the health of your natal Saturn. 484 00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:31.160 What planets are being activated during your Saturn return? And 485 00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:34.119 I'm going to use myself as the example. I have 486 00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:37.119 a very nasty tea square, and of course Saturn's involved 487 00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:40.279 in it, and it is Saturn and Jupiter and the 488 00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:45.000 nodes and Sun and Mercury and Mars and Uranus and 489 00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:48.759 Pluto all wrapped up in this big mutable T square 490 00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:52.640 and all Chiron's there too, and they're all very close 491 00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:56.680 in degrees. So anytime one of those planets gets hit, 492 00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:01.480 all the other plants get activated, which a lot. And 493 00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:06.799 so for my Saturn return, both times when that Saturn 494 00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:10.880 was getting hit, it lit up all those areas in 495 00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:13.079 my natal chart. So not only do we have the 496 00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:17.960 Saturn return chart, but those transits get lit So even 497 00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:20.640 if Saturn would have only gone over my Saturn once, 498 00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:24.119 it doesn't matter. Everything got hit. So it's like a 499 00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:26.920 ping pong, a pingball machine, ding ding ding ding ding 500 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:30.160 ding ding, And it was you know, both of my 501 00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:34.799 Saturn returns because of that, Because of that really difficult 502 00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:37.799 configuration of my natal chart, I'm going to get nailed. 503 00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:39.680 Every time I go through a Saturn return. There's going 504 00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:45.759 to be something, and so you know that's that's what 505 00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:50.000 it was. I mean, and looking forward, you know my 506 00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:52.440 lesson in my natal chart, there is a lot of 507 00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:56.920 lessons about boundaries there. But seeing Saturn in the seventh 508 00:30:56.960 --> 00:30:59.640 house in the in the return chart, I'm like, you've 509 00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:02.920 got to be kidding me. Come on, Saturn, be nice 510 00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:06.079 to me. Give me something else here. But Adam's got 511 00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:07.200 a lot of other ideas for me. 512 00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:14.640 Saturn is your free end. Okay. Now, one that you 513 00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:17.359 mentioned that I think a lot of people probably have 514 00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:22.119 not thought about is a lunar return. Yes, how would 515 00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:25.880 that fit in with the solar returne? You suggest a 516 00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:27.079 way you could work with

both. 517 00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:30.599 Yes, So here's something I think is really fun to do. 518 00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.920 I love playing around with astrology. I love playing around 519 00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:36.039 with my own chart all the time. So what you 520 00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:37.680 can do is you do your solar return and then 521 00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:41.079 you also do a lunar return for each month. Because 522 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:43.559 here's the thing. You have a lunar return every month. 523 00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:47.480 The moon only stays and I mean the moon is 524 00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:50.759 changing signs every two and a half days, so every 525 00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:55.720 twenty eight plus days we have gone through a whole cycle. 526 00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:59.079 So every month you get a lunar return. And so 527 00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.720 if you do it for the whole year ahead of time, 528 00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:05.680 you're going to see where you are feeling a lot 529 00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:08.960 of things emotionally, so you can kind of plan for that. 530 00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:11.079 And you know, the funny thing is, for me, because 531 00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:13.680 I do like to plan, I'll look ahead on things. 532 00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:16.640 Then I forget about it, and then something will come up. 533 00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:18.839 You know exactly what I mean. Something will come up. 534 00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:20.400 I'll go back and look at the lunar return will 535 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:23.240 be like a son of a gun. I should have known. 536 00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:26.000 Why didn't I go back and check on this. One 537 00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:28.039 of the examples I think I used in the book 538 00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:30.519 too is I was really cranky and looked up my 539 00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:33.240 lunar return that month, and my lunar return was not 540 00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:36.519 having a good time. And sometimes it's just like that, 541 00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:40.880 you know, you find that it stirs something up, or 542 00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:43.920 maybe it's a time you're feeling groovy, things are working well. 543 00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:47.359 It's a good thing to look at and to check in. 544 00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:54.119 I'm now curious about that. I look at my solar 545 00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:57.319 return and I never seems to have any useful information 546 00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:00.000 for me, So obviously I need to have someone else 547 00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:01.880 read it, because I just go oh. 548 00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:06.160 I always have someone else read it, because I know 549 00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:09.039 how my brain works, and I'm going to look at 550 00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:12.160 what I want to see, not at what I don't 551 00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:13.839 want to see, and then I'm going to go into denial. 552 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:18.839 Think oh everything's great. So having an

astrologer on your side, 553 00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:22.319 I mean, I just think about that first sat In 554 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:26.119 return and how much great information he gave me. He says, 555 00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:27.440 Oh my god, you have all this stuff going on 556 00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:28.880 with your family and you gotta really work on these 557 00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:32.119 boundaries blah blah blah, like, oh my god. And then 558 00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:35.319 my solar returns that I've had with Sam Reynolds, I've 559 00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:38.240 been so incredibly accurate. I have to also tell a 560 00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:41.480 funny story about solar returns too. If you don't like 561 00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:44.519 the way the solar return looks, travel on your birthday 562 00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:49.079 right this Listen. The first time I heard that, Kathy, 563 00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:52.200 I thought this guy was insane. He said to me, 564 00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:54.000 He goes, you need to be in Los Angeles on 565 00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:55.559 your birthday. Said, why would I do that? I don't 566 00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:58.160 even like Los Angeles. He goes, no, no, no, You're 567 00:33:58.200 --> 00:33:59.759 you're going to have a better solo return chart. It's 568 00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:02.799 gonna be amazing. You're the best year. So of course, again, 569 00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:05.200 I like to experiment, So I said, what the hell 570 00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:07.680 and I went to I went to Los Angeles on 571 00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:11.960 my birthday. I had the best year ever ever. This 572 00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:15.199 was pre COVID. COVID changed the way I can travel, 573 00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:17.360 so I can't really be going as much as i'd 574 00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:22.760 like anymore. But I had such an incredibly amazing year, 575 00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:25.400 and so it is something that I like to do. 576 00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:27.800 Is I like to look at if I don't like it, 577 00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:30.840 If I am able to travel, where might I go? 578 00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:33.960 Rebecca Gordon, who's one of my favorite astrology teachers, says, 579 00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:36.119 you go west if you don't like the way it looks. 580 00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:39.480 And I think that was I forget who she said 581 00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:42.239 came up with that. But the book that I ended 582 00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:44.719 up getting is called How to Have Love and Success 583 00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:47.400 By Traveling on Your Birthday about Bob Marks. I love 584 00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:51.159 that book. It's so good. Yeah, yeah, excellent. 585 00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:58.360 Now, No, I am very very curious. Do you find 586 00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:01.360 it makes a difference whether you cast the solar return 587 00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:05.320 chart for the person's birthplace or where they physically are. 588 00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:07.039 You go with where they physically are right. 589 00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:11.000 Where they physically are, absolutely, because I think that makes 590 00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:13.360 a huge difference. Also, if you're going to be traveling 591 00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:15.639 on your birthday. I just looked at a friend's chart. 592 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:17.800 They're going to be in Las Vegas on their birthday, 593 00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:19.159 and I'm like, oh my god, let's look and see 594 00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:21.519 what your solar return is. And it looked like they 595 00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:23.360 were going to have a great time in Vegas period, 596 00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:26.760 but also pretty good year, which is really exciting. So 597 00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:30.239 always look at the location of where you're going to 598 00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:32.840 be on your birthday. That means everything. 599 00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:38.400 So let's talk a little bit about nodal returns because 600 00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:40.519 people are starting to get aware of that. I've been 601 00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:46.039 mostly asked about reverse nodal returns. What's going on with 602 00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:48.880 either of those with each of those situations, and it's 603 00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:50.559 different with each of them. 604 00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:53.119 Well, they are different energy. I mean, we all know 605 00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:56.400 that the north node is you know, karma, so to speak, 606 00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:58.639 and you're supposed to head to the north node, even 607 00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:01.960 though it's more difficult than this out node is. Supposedly 608 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:03.440 you know where you're coming in with these gifts and 609 00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:06.119 it's easy for you to go. There's oftentimes we want 610 00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:09.400 to hang out with the south node, and that makes 611 00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:11.079 a lot of sense. In my chart, I look at 612 00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:13.719 I'm like, well, yeah, it does make sense. So the 613 00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:17.760 nodal return is supposed to be like this time where 614 00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:20.039 it really gets a lot of things stirred up, kind 615 00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:23.559 of like your Saturn return or your Chiron return, and 616 00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:26.000 we've got an opportunity then to look at the handw're 617 00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:29.639 delt and really work with that energy. The reverse nodal 618 00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:34.440 return happens when the nodes are on the opposite So 619 00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:37.119 for example, I have a north note in Gemini, so 620 00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:40.400 when the north node is Insangittarius and it hits me directly, 621 00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:43.519 that's reverse and nobal return. And the reverse noval return 622 00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:46.199 is a time where we can examine, you know, the 623

00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:48.039 gifts that we've brought in for our past life. We 624 00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:51.000 can really think about how we're using them, et cetera, 625 00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:55.679 et cetera. My reverse nodal returns were way more significant 626 00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:58.360 than my nodal returns, even though I've been told that 627 00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:01.079 it was going to be harder. You know, back in 628 00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:02.880 the day, other astrologist would be like, oh my god, 629 00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:05.800 your normal return, it's going to be really rough. My 630 00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:12.559 reverse normal returns were way more significant, like life changing events. 631 00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:14.760 So that's how it played out for me. I don't 632 00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:18.519 know if it's the same for everybody. Maybe I'm just weird, 633 00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:23.639 but it's certainly got some things activated. Let's put it 634 00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:26.960 that way. 635 00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:32.440 Well, this is draw well, hold on. There can be 636 00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:34.239 a note of return for an event too. There can 637 00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:37.280 be a return for anything, right because I heard something 638 00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:40.440 happening now that is gonna it's it's like come in 639 00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:44.480 full circle to when the notes were at twenty nine Aquarius, 640 00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:46.000 which is what they're about to shift into. 641 00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:49.840 So absolutely, you could do return charts for anything. You 642 00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:51.760 could do it for an event, you can do it 643 00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:54.760 for a business. And I love business astrology. I think 644 00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:58.760 it's fascinating. I do. I do astrology charts for every 645 00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:00.599 one of my books, and then I will go back 646 00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:02.480 sometimes and look at the return chart for the birth 647 00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:05.719 of that book. Yes you Yeah, you could really get 648 00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:10.360 creative and play around with returns for anything. It is 649 00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:14.079 a lot of fun. So I say, you've got a 650 00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:16.000 business that's been in business for a long time, take 651 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:18.639 a look at the return for it. What's going on there? 652 00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:21.639 That's going to give you a lot of information. You 653 00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:24.000 can do return churts, by the way, for countries and 654 00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:27.159 cities too, which I love that. 655 00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:28.920 Right. 656 00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:31.559 Yeah, there's been a lot of talk about the US 657 00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:35.079 Pluto return, it's the Pluto return of the Declaration of Independence. 658 00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:38.159 We also have the Pluto return of the

Constitution coming up, 659 00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:41.559 two different things, so there could be some connect the 660 00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:46.840 dots going on in those arenas. You mentioned Kirn return 661 00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:52.079 that tends to happen around the age of fifty. And 662 00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:56.159 if Kirn is the abiding issue, how does that in 663 00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:59.800 the bigger picture play out. When the guy with the 664 00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:02.599 he comes back around to where he was when you 665 00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:04.400 were born, we have. 666 00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:07.440 A chance to revisit those old wounds. And I've got 667 00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:09.559 a great friend named Diane Bloom. Diane Bloom is a 668 00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:13.400 crystal healer. She was, she's retired now, and many many 669 00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:16.480 years ago she sent to me, everybody needs therapy because 670 00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:19.400 everybody had a childhood that a was stuck with me. 671 00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:23.239 And the Chiron return really does tend to bring up 672 00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:26.360 a lot of these old wounds that we can work 673 00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:28.880 on them. So in my natal chart, I've got Kyron 674 00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:31.800 in the fifth house that could represent, you know, issues 675 00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:35.159 around parenting, which I did. We're hard to be a 676 00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:38.559 good parent because my parents were very complicated people. Oh 677 00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:40.159 my god, I did not I had to break the 678 00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:42.880 wheels put it that way, but it can bring lessons 679 00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:48.679 around parenting and creativity and romance. And so when my 680 00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:54.519 Chiron return came around, what happened was my love life 681 00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:56.800 is fine. My love life is great, my relationship with 682 00:39:56.800 --> 00:40:00.599 my kids is great. But I had all this creativity 683 00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:04.559 that was blocked because my parents never thought of creativity 684 00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:07.760 as a possibility for a career. They also would like 685 00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:10.000 read the things I wrote, and I would get in 686 00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:13.320 trouble for what I wrote, And so that was locked 687 00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:16.440 up for a very very long time. And in my 688 00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:21.400 thirties and forties, I began blogging, and right before you know, 689 00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:24.480 my Chiro return came around. I was really doing a 690 00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:27.719 lot of big creative stuff. I run return came around, 691 00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:30.400 and I got my first book deal, and it really 692 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:33.360 healed those old creative blocks. And since that time, I've 693 00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:36.840 actually just completed book number ten and another Tarot deck. 694 00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:42.239 So I've been on this big creativity kick that kicked 695 00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:45.920 in when my Chiro return came around. 696 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:50.199 I have a really good chirn return story from a 697 00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:54.800 popular culture. Yes, are you familiar with the movie The 698 00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:55.960 King's Speech? 699 00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:00.360 I am familiar with it, I've not seen it. 700 00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:08.360 It is about Elizabeth the princess who became Elizabeth the First. 701 00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:11.679 It's about her father having to step in and become 702 00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:15.119 king when his brother abdicated and he had to start 703 00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:20.039 making public speeches and he did not speak comfortably. 704 00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:21.880 At all, had speech. 705 00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:27.400 Issues, and this movie is about his getting coached so 706 00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:33.119 that he could talk in a regal gravitas, he could 707 00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:37.800 convey authority to his populace. Well, the king was fifty 708 00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:43.360 and the actor who played him, Colin Firth, was fifty 709 00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:45.960 when he played it, so the actor was having his 710 00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:51.239 chirn return, playing the role of a historical person who 711 00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:56.400 was addressing his speaking wound and having his chirn return. 712 00:41:56.599 --> 00:41:59.119 I just find that one fascinating because you can find 713 00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:01.199 this in popular ca all the time if you just 714 00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:02.119 keep your eyes open. 715 00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:06.000 Yes, I mean, what a great story. I would love 716 00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:07.880 to look at those charts and see what was going 717 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:08.880 on then, right. 718 00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:12.920 Mm hmmm mm hmm yep. So I passed that one 719 00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:14.760 on to you, see if that's one you want to 720 00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:22.960 play with. So a little bit more time here. So 721 00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:26.519 if there's someone listening who sort of knows their chart 722 00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:29.840 and has sort of been following astrology, what would you 723 00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:34.320 recommend that they do just start playing. Maybe play with 724 00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:38.440 the lunar returns first or the solar return, and follow 725 00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:42.159 your protocol for analyzing what's going on in the chart. 726 00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:45.960 Start with true solar return. Always start with the solar, 727 00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:48.679 and then start with the lunar. And if you start 728 00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:51.599 paying attention to those patterns, you're getting a whole calendar 729 00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:54.760 of what your ears like. And also it's making you 730

00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:58.800 more mindful about how you're showing up and how you're 731 00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:02.639 you know, expressing, and maybe how you could do it better. 732 00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:06.639 So start with the solar, start with the lunar. If 733 00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:09.000 you play around with that, you're going to get more comfortable, 734 00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:11.000 and then you can just start exploring the other ones. 735 00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:16.840 And if you have software, there's always a there's a 736 00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:19.800 tool where you can cast returns. And I noticed that 737 00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:24.960 you said that time Passages doesn't cast lunar return I 738 00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:30.840 mean nodal returns. No Kepler software will it'll it'll do 739 00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:32.800 it with so serious or Kepeler. I don't know if 740 00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:37.159 Pegasus does. But Serious or Kepler you can choose either 741 00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:39.400 true note or mean note. Because I was playing with 742 00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:41.280 it all this afternoon after I finished your book, It's like, 743 00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:41.960 let's look at this. 744 00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:45.239 And I always use the true node for people who 745 00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:49.159 are curious. That's what I use because I feels more accurate. 746 00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:51.480 But you can play around and find what works for you. 747 00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:54.480 It's the same way picking a house system. I use Placidus. 748 00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:57.760 You might use whole signs, whatever works. I I don't 749 00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:00.280 like to tell people I'm not an evangelist of what 750 00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:04.000 you know, do this or do that. But time Passages 751 00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:07.159 I'm a Mac girl. I use Placidus, and time Passages 752 00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:08.960 is so easy to use. I mean, all you do 753 00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:11.840 is you click on display, you scroll down. You'll see 754 00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:15.719 solo return, loan and return, You'll see planetary return, and 755 00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:18.440 then you just plug in the information and bam you've 756 00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:21.320 got your chart. Easy. 757 00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:27.800 It's easy, yep. I know that astro deeds so astro 758 00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:29.719 dot com will do some, but I'm not sure to 759 00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:30.320 what extent. 760 00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:32.760 I don't think they do them all. I think astro 761 00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:36.679 seek actually does them all. And I think astro seek 762 00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:39.880 not only if I'm correct, because sometimes I get the 763 00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:43.320 two you know, mixed up in my head. But astro 764 00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:47.960 dashseek dot com will do the return charts side by 765 00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:52.239 side with the transits, which is really handy and it's free. 766 00:44:52.239 --> 00:45:03.840 Everybody yeah, he's got amazing resources over there. Well what 767 00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:05.920 would you want? So, I mean this sounds like this 768 00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:10.159 has a valid and worthy place in pretty much anybody's 769 00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:15.239 astrological library, if you're a practicing astrologer, if you're someone 770 00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:18.639 who's learning, if you're the person that your friends come 771 00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:21.719 to and you look things up for them, which many 772 00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:25.760 of us started out as years ago, many different ways 773 00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:27.760 people can get absolutely. 774 00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:32.840 And also if you're somebody who likes historical astrology, like's 775 00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:36.480 looking at historical events, looking at things like the Uranus 776 00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:39.880 and Pluto return of countries and cities is also fascinating, 777 00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:41.719 and I talk about that in the book too. 778 00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:47.000 And I'll just tell everyone this is so accessible in 779 00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:51.079 the way it's written, it's like someone's chatting with you. 780 00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:54.400 I mean, it's efficient and it gives you good information, 781 00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:59.079 but it's not dry in the slightest. So I'm not 782 00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:00.880 just right Gemini, that was. 783 00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:04.360 I'm as Gemini as a guess. I got to tell you, Kathy, 784 00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:07.360 one of the things when I was a young astrologer, 785 00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:09.679 first starting, one of the things that really bothered me 786 00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:13.199 is the books. And I still have my books from 787 00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:15.039 back in the day, because you know, I like to 788 00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:18.880 hold onto books. That's my my drug of choices. Books. 789 00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:24.079 The books were so ry. We had no computers. I mean, 790 00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:26.639 you know you probably remember doing those charts by hand. 791 00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:29.719 What a pain in the rump it was doing them 792 00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:32.559 by hand. Mistakes were made. How lucky we are that 793 00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:36.400 we have astrology, How lucky we are our astrology software. 794 00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:38.320 How lucky we are that we have the internet. We 795 00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:41.280 can look up information and now there are books coming 796 00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:44.679 out for every single level, and so many topics in astrology. 797 00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:49.239 Were very fortunate. And the thing I hated about those 798 00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:51.599 books is they were so boring. For a fifteen year 799 00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:55.480 old Gemini read in these books, I mean it was like, oh, 800 00:46:55.480

--> 00:46:56.639 I'm going to get through it. I'm going to get 801 00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:58.719 through and I'm going to get through it. And I 802 00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:02.719 always hated that because it just never felt like fun 803 00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:06.119 or interesting. It felt like I was reading one of 804 00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:10.079 those dry textbooks for school. And while I do like 805 00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:13.280 a textbook, don't get me wrong, that's not how I 806 00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:16.159 wanted to learn. I found the ways I learned better 807 00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:21.000 was by doing and practicing and being in conversation with people, 808 00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:23.440 or even when I had the good fortune of taking 809 00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:26.840 classes here and there, really learning from somebody who would 810 00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:30.719 talk to me and make it make sense without going 811 00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:36.400 into all the astrobabble, which is so incredibly boring. I 812 00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:39.679 do not like boring books. I need some humor, I 813 00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:43.679 need some pizzazz. I need some examples that are going 814 00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:46.599 to bring it to life. And I got to tell 815 00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:50.079 you Beck, back in my day, we really had a 816 00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:51.880 shortage of that. That was hard to find. 817 00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:57.519 Linda Goodman definitely blew things open when she came on 818 00:47:57.559 --> 00:47:58.119 the scene. 819 00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:01.480 Yes, it was amazing. 820 00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:04.840 Yes, so personal in the way she said things. And 821 00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:09.719 just for those those of you out there who were 822 00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:12.320 born in this century or close to it, there was 823 00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:16.159 a time when the way you learned astrology, if you 824 00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:20.639 were not in a big, big city, you often didn't 825 00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:23.920 have other people you could study with in person, or 826 00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:26.079 maybe somebody would come through town and there would be 827 00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:29.679 a seminar. But books were the way a lot of 828 00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:34.280 people got everything off the ground. That's definitely how I started. 829 00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:37.239 That's all I had back then. I was in a 830 00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:40.119 rural area. I was in an area where if you 831 00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:41.880 were doing the things I was doing, you were like 832 00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:44.280 a freak too. So there were a lot of people, 833 00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:46.519 of course, who were like, oh my God, you know 834 00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:49.559 this kid, what's wrong with her? Why is she into 835 00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:50.159 this stuff? 836 00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:50.440 You know? 837 00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:53.239 Why aren't you into football? And all of that. I'm like, now, 838 00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:55.280 I want to listen to the sex pistols and I 839 00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:58.239 want to do astrology. In Tarol. I had to practice 840 00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:01.119 with whoever would let me. Ninety nine percent of the 841 00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:03.079 time was doing it on myself. The other one percent 842 00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:05.519 was mostly doing it on my sister. But I was 843 00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:08.000 young because a lot of people were scared of it too. 844 00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:12.000 Back then, there was a big stigma around these types 845 00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:14.880 of things. It's gotten better. There's still some stigma here 846 00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:19.480 and there, but I think you can also remember even 847 00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:23.079 when I started reading professionally, there were people who were 848 00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:26.280 really freaked out, that were unhappy that I was talking 849 00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:30.000 about astrology or teraryll. Things have changed for the better. 850 00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:33.840 It's way more accessible, easier to get started. There's a 851 00:49:33.880 --> 00:49:36.679 million teachers out there. You don't even have to have 852 00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:39.760 one in your hometown. Someone could study with you online, 853 00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:41.360 which is amazing. 854 00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:47.519 Amazing, And there's many more access to information about different 855 00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:51.320 schools and techniques and things that might not be what 856 00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:54.320 your first books have been about. And you can learn 857 00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:58.719 different methods, which ones you want to study more. There 858 00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:01.840 seems to be a really big interest and Hellenistic come 859 00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:03.320 into the surface now. 860 00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:07.679 And I know that's the thing. Everyone I know is 861 00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:08.519 into Hellenistic. 862 00:50:11.320 --> 00:50:11.880 That's good. 863 00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:13.880 You know. 864 00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:16.039 I went through a phase where I would go to 865 00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:18.920 an ncg R conference and I would come home. This 866 00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:22.000 is before even CDs come home with there's bags and 867 00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:24.679 bags of cassettes and books and I'd be so excited 868 00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:28.480 and then they I'd hit overwhelmed, like, well, okay, I 869 00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:30.719 can't learn time lords too. Oh, I can't do this. 870 00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:34.480 I am not going to learn how to read the 871 00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:38.480 Hindu you know, Indian astrology, Vedic astrology. Nope, no, too much. 872 00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:42.960 But it can be really exhilarating to be exposed two 873 00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:46.639 different techniques because

it's all getting you to the same wisdom, 874 00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:48.079 just different ways of getting there. 875 00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:51.199 Absolutely, and everybody's going to have their thing that they 876 00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:55.039 love doing. My favorite thing is predictive astrology. That's almost 877 00:50:55.039 --> 00:50:58.039 what I'm interested in. And while I look at things 878 00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:01.280 like perfections for myself, I don't read perfections for anybody. 879 00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:03.559 That's not my specialty. That's my wheelhouse. I would never 880 00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:06.559 even teach it because it's something I like to say 881 00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:10.920 I play with it, but I do not. Sorry, you 882 00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:12.800 gotta watch how you move your hands on my camera. 883 00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:17.239 Here looks that's great, But you know, I have to, 884 00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:21.920 like I always say, when I'm doing something, whether I'm 885 00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:25.199 teaching it or doing it, I teach what I know. 886 00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:30.000 And what I've actually done. And I also only read 887 00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:33.000 with the things that I have done for a long time. 888 00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:35.320 I'm not going to introduce something if I haven't done 889 00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:38.400 it for some time, because you got to road test it. Do. 890 00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:40.280 I love all that stuff that I love going down 891 00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:42.559 all the rabbit holes. I'm just like you, Kathy. I 892 00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:45.400 will study anything. I will read this and that about 893 00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:48.719 terror astrology, and sometimes I'll really like, oh that's interesting. 894 00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:49.199 Boom. 895 00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:52.280 Not going to use it, you know, but it's still fascinating. 896 00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:55.360 And I love different ways of interpreting and all people's 897 00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:58.440 theories and all of that. Just it keeps my gem 898 00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:01.840 and my brain very happy, and it develops those new 899 00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:05.360 neural pathways. So listen, I keep an open mind. I mean, 900 00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:07.840 I use it, Bud, I don't like it. 901 00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:13.440 Yeah, Jim, and I gets a bad rap sometimes no, no, no, 902 00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:17.079 you gather all the little goodies. It's good. It's very 903 00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:22.519 very good. Well, are there any parting words about this 904 00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:26.599 topic or the role of astrology or actually no question. 905 00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:30.880 My personal pet peeve at the moment is people who 906 00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:34.239 know a tiny bit and then are going onto social 907 00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:38.239 media platforms with the cameras on and yacking about stuff 908 00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:40.679 and

spreading god knows what. I used to call it 909 00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:44.679 the hallmark the hallmarkification, but now it's just like just hyping. 910 00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:46.800 You have any opinions about. 911 00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:50.920 This, I have strong opinions about that. I think there 912 00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:54.039 are a lot of people they want and you'll see 913 00:52:54.039 --> 00:52:57.760 this in people also with business too. Oh God, you 914 00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:00.480 open up a can of worms for me, cappy. There 915 00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:03.320 are people that want to be an instant expert. They 916 00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:06.679 want to learn something in five lessons and then go 917 00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:11.000 and monetize that hobby. And I think that that is 918 00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:14.760 really dangerous because chances are, if you haven't again ro 919 00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:18.159 tested something, you are going to give wrong information that 920 00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:20.760 could cause harm. And that is the one thing I 921 00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:24.400 don't think these people really understand. You could cause a 922 00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:28.199 lot of harm if you do not understand something thoroughly. 923 00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:30.440 That's like what I said, I don't teach something I 924 00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:33.079 don't know thoroughly because I don't want to give people 925 00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:36.880 wrong information and make a mistake. I don't want to 926 00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:40.519 be that person, that astrologer, that terror reader. I mean, 927 00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:42.320 I see some of these newer readers out they are 928 00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:47.039 doing fear mongering, think about the aspects of the sky, 929 00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:49.840 and they'll see these horrible things that get people all 930 00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:52.079 worked up. And then you and I've got to come 931 00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:53.719 along and say, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait 932 00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:56.400 a minute, don't listen to that person. Or I see 933 00:53:56.440 --> 00:54:00.679 terror readers also that are on you know, like TikTok, 934 00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:04.440 and they're also throwing off these cards and they're telling 935 00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:07.199 people what they want to hear, like Alwa's going to 936 00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:08.840 come back. Yeah, he's thinking about you know, he's not. 937 00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:11.840 He's not thinking about you. That's not what that card means. 938 00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:15.280 And that's the danger when people don't know the information 939 00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:16.760 well enough, wrong information. 940 00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:21.159 I'm with you completely, and I'm getting nudges that we're 941 00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:25.800 nearing the end here. So I thank you tremendously for 942 00:54:26.119 --> 00:54:28.719 sharing all this. Tell people again where they can find 943 00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:29.719 you and what your book is. 944 00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:32.440 The best way to find me is at the tarot 945 00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:34.639 Lady dot com that is a hub for everything that 946 00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:38.440 I do, and on social media, the arrort Lady's by 947 00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:41.400 handle for most things. Some people grab my name in 948 00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:43.400 some places, but you can buy me. I'm pretty easy 949 00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.960 to find. And my latest book is the Book of 950 00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:49.800 Astrological Returns. This is your complete guide to every life 951 00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:52.719 cycle from the Sun to Pluto and beyond. 952 00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:56.719 Excellent. Well, I wish you great, great success with it, 953 00:54:56.880 --> 00:54:59.960 and I really thank you for coming on and having this. 954 00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:03.239 Chad and everyone go look at this book. Go get it. 955 00:55:03.239 --> 00:55:09.079 It is extraordinary. And be safe and fall just you know, 956 00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:12.679 stay calm, don't buy into the panic this month. Go 957 00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:15.800 to their happy place. Gravitate to the people and the 958 00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:18.760 situations that remind you of why you are happy to 959 00:55:18.800 --> 00:55:22.079 be alive. That's what we're fueling, that's what we're building on. 960 00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:26.440 I keep telling people to remember the public events of 961 00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:30.239 people just celebrating in the streets. That's where we're heading. 962 00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:33.320 You go to that, you find it and be safe 963 00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:35.599 and I'll see you again soon. 964 00:55:35.639 --> 00:56:07.159 Bye. Everybody, include 965 00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:19.920 Coc