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right? And their holiday stuff? No free 00:01:52.579 --> 00:01:55.819 ads, Ezra. No free ads. This is a 4 out of 10. 00:01:55.900 --> 00:02:00.359 This is not doing it. But before we get started 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:03.219 with the show today, I wanted to send out my 00:02:03.219 --> 00:02:05.900 condolences to a friend of the show, Al Bernstein, 00:02:06.099 --> 00:02:08.939 who announced the passing of his wife, Connie. 00:02:09.639 --> 00:02:13.520 So, you know, deepest condolences to Bernstein 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:16.900 and his entire family. Definitely, definitely. 00:02:17.020 --> 00:02:19.860 Al Bernstein, class act, a guy that we all grew 00:02:19.860 --> 00:02:22.500 up with watching boxing. And his voice is, you 00:02:22.500 --> 00:02:23.919 know, with boxing, just, you know, you got to 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:25.280 have praise for him at this time, man. You know, 00:02:25.300 --> 00:02:29.270 he's hurting. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. 00:02:30.349 --> 00:02:32.629 All right, Huey, let's get started. All right, 00:02:32.650 --> 00:02:35.129 before we get started here, just everyone listening, 00:02:35.250 --> 00:02:38.330 watching, whether it's on YouTube, Twitter, Ezra's 00:02:38.330 --> 00:02:39.990 account, the Brunch Boxing account, be sure to 00:02:39.990 --> 00:02:42.569 like, comment, share, subscribe, get more viewers, 00:02:42.689 --> 00:02:45.659 listeners onto the show. And then we can get 00:02:45.659 --> 00:02:47.900 right into it with the news and notes. First 00:02:47.900 --> 00:02:50.219 thing, we saw DAZN announcing their new ultimate 00:02:50.219 --> 00:02:54.219 subscription tier. What was it? $44 .95 is going 00:02:54.219 --> 00:02:56.580 to be the new price per month in America. I didn't 00:02:56.580 --> 00:02:59.419 recall checking the annual rate. Maybe you can 00:02:59.419 --> 00:03:01.979 speak to that. But did Turkey lie to the people? 00:03:03.719 --> 00:03:08.340 I'm going to let you start, Ezra. Not this time. 00:03:08.919 --> 00:03:13.199 Not this time. I got to say. Because he has lied 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:15.620 before. And maybe we lied to this point. But 00:03:15.620 --> 00:03:20.000 he didn't say. This was building off the last 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:21.340 lie. So I don't think you can count this as a 00:03:21.340 --> 00:03:23.360 lie. Because he had lied the last time when he 00:03:23.360 --> 00:03:25.120 said pay -per -views were done. And then he said, 00:03:25.219 --> 00:03:28.780 well, actually, we're going to do a monthly plan 00:03:28.780 --> 00:03:31.219 type thing. So this wasn't necessarily a lie. 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:33.800 Because off of the last lie, this is the truth. 00:03:34.020 --> 00:03:35.319 They said they're going to give you a monthly 00:03:35.319 --> 00:03:38.379 thing. This is what they're giving you. Is it 00:03:38.379 --> 00:03:41.099 a good deal? Who the hell knows, right? Most 00:03:41.099 --> 00:03:42.479 likely not. I'm going to be honest with you. 00:03:42.500 --> 00:03:45.020 Most likely not, right? Because it's funny to 00:03:45.020 --> 00:03:46.280 say like, oh, well, you're going to subscribe 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:48.500 to this and you have no idea what you're getting. 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:51.419 We're not going to tell you anything you're getting, 00:03:51.500 --> 00:03:53.860 but subscribe to this and you're going to get 00:03:53.860 --> 00:03:56.719 12 pay -per -views a year. And then you're thinking 00:03:56.719 --> 00:03:59.259 to yourself, well, hell, I don't even think that 00:03:59.259 --> 00:04:01.599 there's five pay -per -views I think worthy that 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:03.639 Zones ever gives me a year. Suddenly they're 00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:04.879 going to start giving me 12 pay -per -views that 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:07.060 I deem worthy to pay for? That's the part where 00:04:07.060 --> 00:04:10.400 it's like, the mystery box of it all, they've 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:12.740 never delivered on it. So if you're telling me 00:04:12.740 --> 00:04:14.000 that I'm going to get this David Benavidez card 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:16.519 every month for a year, I'm going to say right 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:19.519 now, it's worth it. It's worth it. This David 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:22.019 Benavidez card for every month of the year, it's 00:04:22.019 --> 00:04:24.899 worth it. But if I'm getting nonsense and you're 00:04:24.899 --> 00:04:26.240 just calling it pay -per -view because that's 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:28.220 a very interesting thing. It's like, what are 00:04:28.220 --> 00:04:30.459 you going to call pay -per -view now? One thing 00:04:30.459 --> 00:04:33.160 I think business -wise is what they did here 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:35.259 is they realized that no one was buying these 00:04:35.259 --> 00:04:36.779 pay -per -views. We've been talking about it. 00:04:37.120 --> 00:04:38.720 It's obvious. Like I said, we don't need to know 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:42.360 the numbers. It's obvious, right? You know when 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:43.500 something's getting bought, you know when it's 00:04:43.500 --> 00:04:44.779 not. These are papers that are not getting bought. 00:04:45.699 --> 00:04:47.819 They know they have a loyal subscription, right? 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:49.660 Whatever number that is of people, they have 00:04:49.660 --> 00:04:51.279 people that are subscribing and they know that 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:54.100 they stay consistently. They said, we're not 00:04:54.100 --> 00:04:56.139 going to get no more new buyers, right? We're 00:04:56.139 --> 00:04:58.000 not getting no more new buyers. We can't advertise 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:00.500 really anywhere. But we do have these subscribers 00:05:00.500 --> 00:05:03.889 that seem to stay with us. How can we get more 00:05:03.889 --> 00:05:05.810 money? How about we just charge them more money? 00:05:05.990 --> 00:05:08.370 These people seem to stay here. I think they'll 00:05:08.370 --> 00:05:10.350 pay the extra

money because we already have them. 00:05:10.589 --> 00:05:12.250 And that's what they did here. I don't think 00:05:12.250 --> 00:05:13.329 that they think they're going to get more pay 00:05:13.329 --> 00:05:14.730 -per -view. I don't think they're going to give 00:05:14.730 --> 00:05:17.050 you a better product because they're not. But 00:05:17.050 --> 00:05:18.949 they know they have people that have stood there 00:05:18.949 --> 00:05:21.670 through thick or thin. I'm one of them. And they 00:05:21.670 --> 00:05:23.050 said, hey, I think we can charge these guys a 00:05:23.050 --> 00:05:24.350 little bit more. You know what? They're right. 00:05:24.430 --> 00:05:26.610 I'm going to pay it. So that's all this is. I 00:05:26.610 --> 00:05:28.689 really do. I don't think this is going to, I 00:05:28.689 --> 00:05:29.870 don't think you're going to get great events. 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:32.300 I don't. I think it's going to be pretty much 00:05:32.300 --> 00:05:35.480 the same. Maybe you'll get more fights. Maybe 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:36.939 there'll be a little bit thicker of a schedule 00:05:36.939 --> 00:05:39.220 because it's been pretty weak this year. But 00:05:39.220 --> 00:05:41.339 I don't think that everything's going to be pay 00:05:41.339 --> 00:05:43.300 -per -view worthy. That's a very questionable 00:05:43.300 --> 00:05:44.860 term with pay -per -views worthy because if you 00:05:44.860 --> 00:05:46.220 look at everything they've offered in pay -per 00:05:46.220 --> 00:05:47.860 -view, most of it hasn't been pay -per -view 00:05:47.860 --> 00:05:51.160 worthy. What do you think, Matt? I mean... They 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:53.920 gave us Moses Otama versus Dillian White as a 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:56.800 pay -per -view for $50. That's what I'm saying, 00:05:56.879 --> 00:05:59.879 yeah. So that just tells you what they consider 00:05:59.879 --> 00:06:03.779 pay -per -view. And here's where you're wrong. 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:07.480 How could you say he hasn't lied when he said 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:09.850 there will be no more pay -per -view? No, you've 00:06:09.850 --> 00:06:11.970 been using the word pay -per -view, right? No, 00:06:11.970 --> 00:06:14.170 but that was the last lie. But then he came back 00:06:14.170 --> 00:06:15.529 and was like, okay, we're going to pay -per -view, 00:06:15.589 --> 00:06:16.550 but I'm going to offer you a monthly subscription. 00:06:17.269 --> 00:06:19.029 He did say that. So like I'm saying, it's not 00:06:19.029 --> 00:06:21.670 that he didn't lie on this before. He has. He 00:06:21.670 --> 00:06:25.129 didn't say that. He didn't say that. I know a 00:06:25.129 --> 00:06:29.370 monthly subscription was coming. The CEO of DAZN 00:06:29.370 --> 00:06:32.629 said that. Yeah, yeah. Turkey said no more pay 00:06:32.629 --> 00:06:34.550 -per -view. Yeah, yeah. Turkey said no more pay 00:06:34.550 --> 00:06:38.019 -per -view. Now, here's the thing. If you want 00:06:38.019 --> 00:06:41.660 to say that Turkey is not a liar, fine. But either 00:06:41.660 --> 00:06:49.379 he's a liar or he doesn't have the power that 00:06:49.379 --> 00:06:52.779 he likes to portray himself to have. No, no, 00:06:52.779 --> 00:06:54.160 no, no. He's definitely a liar. I'm not saying 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:56.120 he's not a liar. Come on, what are we doing here? 00:06:56.240 --> 00:06:58.139 He's definitely lying. We've been talking about 00:06:58.139 --> 00:07:00.120 it all the time. I'm just saying - I'm talking 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:02.339 about with this situation. Yeah, in this situation, 00:07:02.459 --> 00:07:06.810 I think he's lying. He told the fans - When a 00:07:06.810 --> 00:07:10.189 fan said to him, yo, they've been sitting on 00:07:10.189 --> 00:07:12.009 my pay -per -view. They lied before. He said, 00:07:12.149 --> 00:07:16.149 that was before my time. This is me now. Yeah. 00:07:16.910 --> 00:07:20.350 Okay? It don't get more blatant than that. It 00:07:20.350 --> 00:07:24.029 don't get more blatant than that. I'm just saying, 00:07:24.209 --> 00:07:27.850 to me, he already lied. We already knew he lied. 00:07:28.050 --> 00:07:30.889 This will just now go continuing on it. But if 00:07:30.889 --> 00:07:32.649 you guys want to say he's still lying, then that 00:07:32.649 --> 00:07:35.389 is what it is. He's lied a lot. He's lied a lot. 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:37.800 And I think, you know, personally, I wanted to 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:39.959 ask you this. What are the odds we still get 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:41.399 a pay -per -view that's out of the subscription? 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:44.740 Oh, come on. A super pay -per -view. Is there 00:07:44.740 --> 00:07:46.120 a chance we get a super pay -per -view? Because 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:47.500 I really think there's a chance we get a super 00:07:47.500 --> 00:07:49.379 pay -per -view. I think we get a pay -per -view 00:07:49.379 --> 00:07:51.180 that they say, hey, this is in the subscription. 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:53.000 You got to pay a little extra for this one. But 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:54.500 it's so good. I think that that's what they're 00:07:54.500 --> 00:07:57.699 going to do. I really think that next year, you're 00:07:57.699 --> 00:07:58.899 going to get a super pay -per -view. They can't 00:07:58.899 --> 00:08:01.019 do that. All right. All right. We'll see. They 00:08:01.019 --> 00:08:04.500 can't do that. Ezra, Ezra, they can't do that. 00:08:06.540 --> 00:08:08.360 I don't know, man. I don't know. I can't count 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:10.560 anything out at this point. I can't count anything 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:14.000 out at this point. Because he's a liar. And I'm 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:16.120 saying it. And I know we're probably going to 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:17.879 get banned. We're probably going to get whatever. 00:08:18.220 --> 00:08:22.060 He fucking lied. He lied. And I got to tell you, 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:27.100 Mr. His Excellency, it's not good to be a

job 00:08:27.100 --> 00:08:29.199 turkey so close to Thanksgiving, my brother. 00:08:29.740 --> 00:08:33.139 This is horrible. This is really, really horrible. 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:37.480 Because if you think about it, right? You're 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:45.480 charging the fans $44 .99, $538 a year, right? 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:49.320 You gotta have an annual commitment. But if you 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:53.080 pay up front, if you give us $450 up front, then 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:57.980 you save $80. What are we saving from? Why do 00:08:57.980 --> 00:08:59.360 they make it seem like they're saving people 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:03.360 money? You're not saving money by putting a paywall 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:06.059 in between stuff that never used to have a paywall. 00:09:07.040 --> 00:09:09.440 Mola Atama is not someone that should be on pay 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:11.019 -per -view right now. Can we all agree on that? 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:14.519 I would agree with you on that. We lost Az, but 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:19.659 100%, and we got Az back. So if you're charging 00:09:19.659 --> 00:09:24.240 me $50 to watch someone that should be free, 00:09:24.419 --> 00:09:26.799 and then you say, you know what, I'm not going 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:29.820 to charge you $50. I'm going to charge you $20. 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:33.919 You're saving $30. I'm still not saving $30. 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:38.700 I'm overpaying $20. People don't understand the 00:09:38.700 --> 00:09:40.779 game that they're playing with these words, man. 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:44.840 They said 12 plus pay -per -views. What number 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:46.700 do you think they get of pay -per -views that 00:09:46.700 --> 00:09:49.460 you think you get in this deal? Well, I think 00:09:49.460 --> 00:09:56.220 they're going to do about 30 to 40. Pay -per 00:09:56.220 --> 00:09:59.419 -views? Yes. I think you're going to get 13. 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:00.980 And then they're going to say, hey, that's what 00:10:00.980 --> 00:10:04.820 we promised. Because you gotta understand, they're 00:10:04.820 --> 00:10:07.019 just saying pay -per -view level fights. We don't 00:10:07.019 --> 00:10:11.000 even know what that means. Ezra, two weeks ago, 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:15.340 we saw Joseph Parker versus Fabio Wardi. Yeah, 00:10:15.340 --> 00:10:19.559 yeah. Pay -per -view. Next week, we have Chris 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:22.720 Eubank Jr. versus Conor Benn. Pay -per -view. 00:10:23.139 --> 00:10:25.279 The week after that, we have David Benavidez 00:10:25.279 --> 00:10:26.919 versus Anthony Orr. Pay -per -view. That's three 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:30.450 pay -per -views in four weeks. For everything 00:10:30.450 --> 00:10:34.789 now? Yes, yes, yes. That's funny. So, like, even, 00:10:34.850 --> 00:10:36.909 like, these Eddie Hearn carts, you think they 00:10:36.909 --> 00:10:38.950 just offer them for $10 on Amazon as well? They're 00:10:38.950 --> 00:10:40.590 like, you know what? Screw it. Like, this is 00:10:40.590 --> 00:10:44.009 a good chance. Why not, right? Bro, NUA versus 00:10:44.009 --> 00:10:50.129 Picasso is pay -per -view in the U .S. Oh, man. 00:10:50.490 --> 00:10:53.750 Oh, man. Let me tell you something. You know, 00:10:53.789 --> 00:10:56.649 we talk about it often, I think. And I think 00:10:56.649 --> 00:10:58.549 you're on the same page with me. It's like, boxing's 00:10:58.549 --> 00:11:00.509 not in a great spot right now. It's not in a 00:11:00.509 --> 00:11:02.909 great spot. It's not the healthiest it is. And 00:11:02.909 --> 00:11:08.389 I got to tell you, like, you know, obviously 00:11:08.389 --> 00:11:11.129 there's no growth here in this plan, right? There's 00:11:11.129 --> 00:11:12.929 not a casual that's like, hey, you know what? 00:11:12.950 --> 00:11:16.509 Let me drop $500 to watch a sport that I don't 00:11:16.509 --> 00:11:18.889 watch ever. consistently, only watch the big 00:11:18.889 --> 00:11:20.409 events. I have no idea what's going on. Let me 00:11:20.409 --> 00:11:22.129 drop money on that. There's no growth here at 00:11:22.129 --> 00:11:24.389 all. There's no room for growth. Basically, if 00:11:24.389 --> 00:11:26.529 you fight on the zone, you fight to the subscribers 00:11:26.529 --> 00:11:28.470 they have, and that's it. You're not going to 00:11:28.470 --> 00:11:30.509 gain any more fans. It is in its own bubble. 00:11:30.909 --> 00:11:35.049 It's its own thing. It's not growing. There's 00:11:35.049 --> 00:11:38.590 no growth here. And I was thinking about Virgil. 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:41.159 And they're going back and forth, right? And 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:42.360 they're like, oh, he's not going to sign the 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:44.340 contract and this and this. And I'm like, these 00:11:44.340 --> 00:11:46.320 guys have no idea where the business is right 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:50.440 now. No one gives a shit about that contract 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:53.100 right now because no one cares enough about the 00:11:53.100 --> 00:11:55.860 sport to watch it enough. Like you're doing stuff 00:11:55.860 --> 00:11:59.679 that worked maybe 10, 15, 20 years ago. Right 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:01.679 now, no one's watching the sport enough to care 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:03.500 about this contract negotiations. I don't think 00:12:03.500 --> 00:12:05.399 these people have the self -awareness to realize 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:08.360 where this sport actually is. No one gives a 00:12:08.360 --> 00:12:11.440 damn. You're basically giving us fights or you're 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:14.740 not. The other little talk, the sport's not there 00:12:14.740 --> 00:12:17.240 right now. Me and you will talk about it. But 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:20.080 if you think that people are like, oh, I can't 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:21.759 wait for this boots and Virgil fight to be made, 00:12:21.879 --> 00:12:24.840 that are casual fans, no, they're not. So this 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:26.960

whole conversation back and forth, no one cares. 00:12:27.700 --> 00:12:30.240 It's a waste. It's a waste of time. It's a waste 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:32.539 of time. It's a waste of time. And this thing 00:12:32.539 --> 00:12:34.240 that they announced, like I said, there's no 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:35.960 growth here. There's no growth here. There's 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:38.159 no, oh, we want to build a sport. No, they don't. 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:39.919 No, they don't. I don't know what the hell they 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:41.039 want to do. I don't know what the hell they're 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:42.580 trying to do with it, but there's no growth here. 00:12:42.620 --> 00:12:44.100 There's no plan to growth here. There's nothing 00:12:44.100 --> 00:12:47.220 you can do here. This is in its own box. This 00:12:47.220 --> 00:12:50.860 is a sport. If you're a fan now, you can watch 00:12:50.860 --> 00:12:52.919 it, but there's no growing new fans. There's 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:54.120 no talking. No one's going to know any of this 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:56.379 stuff's happening. No one knows any of this stuff's 00:12:56.379 --> 00:12:58.980 happening. This stuff is dying. I'm going to 00:12:58.980 --> 00:13:02.340 be honest with you. It's dying. Virgil Ortiz, 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:06.080 who's supposed to be one of the few shows of 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:10.470 boxing. is fighting Erickson Lubin, who some 00:13:10.470 --> 00:13:16.570 boxing fans know, okay? And his hometown, and 00:13:16.570 --> 00:13:20.470 they couldn't even open up the rafters. They 00:13:20.470 --> 00:13:23.750 couldn't even open up the rafters. Well, it's 00:13:23.750 --> 00:13:26.110 brutal out there. That's what I'm saying. There 00:13:26.110 --> 00:13:29.049 just needs to be some awareness of what it is, 00:13:29.149 --> 00:13:31.730 right? And I get it, right? None of these boxers, 00:13:32.210 --> 00:13:34.169 the money's there. I'm not gonna blame them. 00:13:34.190 --> 00:13:35.529 We're gonna take the money. There's no doubt 00:13:35.529 --> 00:13:39.970 about it. But none of these... The money's going 00:13:39.970 --> 00:13:42.490 to be there. Yeah, right? The money's there. 00:13:42.789 --> 00:13:47.570 Yeah, the money's there. But the back and forth, 00:13:47.750 --> 00:13:50.370 I think it's a little bit much. It's a little 00:13:50.370 --> 00:13:52.970 unnecessary. It's unnecessary. No one cares. 00:13:53.070 --> 00:13:56.230 No one cares. No one cares. And here's the thing. 00:13:56.230 --> 00:13:57.909 Here's the thing. Here's the thing about that 00:13:57.909 --> 00:14:00.110 fight, right? And I hate that we're going off 00:14:00.110 --> 00:14:02.950 the tangent on this fight. You love to take the 00:14:02.950 --> 00:14:07.870 eyes off Turkey. You love Turkey. Like you? Listen, 00:14:08.590 --> 00:14:11.889 I'm honest about Turkey. You are a Turkey gobbler. 00:14:12.009 --> 00:14:12.909 You know what it is? Can I tell you this right 00:14:12.909 --> 00:14:15.769 now? What's wrong with you? What's wrong with 00:14:15.769 --> 00:14:18.929 you? Now, the crazy part, let me tell you the 00:14:18.929 --> 00:14:21.269 crazy part, is I'm negative on Turkey all the 00:14:21.269 --> 00:14:24.330 time, right? And then if I say one thing, I guess 00:14:24.330 --> 00:14:25.730 it wasn't negative enough. I just said that I 00:14:25.730 --> 00:14:28.029 don't think he lied in this one instance. I think 00:14:28.029 --> 00:14:31.149 he lied before about this equation. But I think 00:14:31.149 --> 00:14:32.850 we already got past that lie. Here's the thing, 00:14:32.889 --> 00:14:36.889 right? Say if I lie to you, Matt, Right? I say 00:14:36.889 --> 00:14:39.029 - What you do all the time. Okay, let's just 00:14:39.029 --> 00:14:40.529 say, right? Let's say I was going to go to this 00:14:40.529 --> 00:14:42.970 place, and I didn't go to that place, right? 00:14:43.549 --> 00:14:45.210 And I ended up going to a different place. That's 00:14:45.210 --> 00:14:47.129 the lie, right? And you caught me on that lie, 00:14:47.289 --> 00:14:49.809 okay? That's the lie. Now, in a week later, I'm 00:14:49.809 --> 00:14:52.610 still at that place. I'm not still lying at that 00:14:52.610 --> 00:14:54.769 point. You already caught the lie. Now we're 00:14:54.769 --> 00:14:57.870 moving on from that lie into where we're at and 00:14:57.870 --> 00:14:59.070 the new information. That's all that happened 00:14:59.070 --> 00:15:00.909 here. That's all that happened here. Is this 00:15:00.909 --> 00:15:04.019 what's going on? What happened? Is this what 00:15:04.019 --> 00:15:05.679 you saw in your life? Yes, you only catch me 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:08.120 on a lie once. You can't keep going on that same 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:09.419 lie like you're still lying. No, no, no, you 00:15:09.419 --> 00:15:11.500 already caught me on that lie. Now we're here. 00:15:11.580 --> 00:15:18.220 This is a new truth. So the lie ends once you're 00:15:18.220 --> 00:15:21.960 caught. Yeah, once I'm caught, that's the lie. 00:15:22.059 --> 00:15:24.299 It doesn't continue. It's just a new truth at 00:15:24.299 --> 00:15:30.480 that point. Oh, shit. Okay. That's the right 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:38.419 truth. That's insane. It's insane. But do you 00:15:38.419 --> 00:15:42.820 think the zone just suffers from bad PR? Do they 00:15:42.820 --> 00:15:45.379 just suffer from bad PR? Yeah. Or do they really 00:15:45.379 --> 00:15:47.700 just not know what they're doing? It's just a 00:15:47.700 --> 00:15:49.720 business model that doesn't work. It's a business 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:51.639 model that just doesn't work. I don't think it's 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:53.399 PR. It's anything. It just doesn't work. There's 00:15:53.399 --> 00:15:56.320 no solution for it. You have a thing that no 00:15:56.320 --> 00:15:58.970 one knows about. In the States, you have a thing 00:15:58.970 --> 00:16:02.269 that doesn't draw any eyeballs. They needed something

00:16:02.269 --> 00:16:04.610 big like, I don't know, like the, you know, they 00:16:04.610 --> 00:16:06.950 need a bigger sport that forces people to go 00:16:06.950 --> 00:16:09.529 there, right? That navigates, funnels people 00:16:09.529 --> 00:16:15.590 to it. Huh? They need soccer. They have soccer, 00:16:15.649 --> 00:16:18.210 you said? I said they needed soccer. Yeah, yeah, 00:16:18.230 --> 00:16:19.570 exactly. They almost had that deal, right? And 00:16:19.570 --> 00:16:24.769 then that fell apart. Yeah, it just doesn't work. 00:16:24.909 --> 00:16:27.730 Now, they have Turkey, who's funneling some money 00:16:27.730 --> 00:16:30.009 to them to keep the boxing, right, still getting 00:16:30.009 --> 00:16:32.049 the biggest fights. Now, I don't know what the 00:16:32.049 --> 00:16:34.649 hell his plan is to grow this, but this right 00:16:34.649 --> 00:16:35.929 here, what they have just doesn't work. It's 00:16:35.929 --> 00:16:37.230 just not gonna work. That's the truth of this. 00:16:37.289 --> 00:16:39.509 We all just know. Hold on, hold on, hold on. 00:16:39.690 --> 00:16:41.210 You say you don't know who's planning to grow 00:16:41.210 --> 00:16:43.649 the sport. Can we stop with the notion that he's 00:16:43.649 --> 00:16:44.970 trying to grow the sport? No, no, he's not trying 00:16:44.970 --> 00:16:45.990 to grow the sport. He's not trying to grow the 00:16:45.990 --> 00:16:47.149 sport. Okay, thank you. He's not trying to grow 00:16:47.149 --> 00:16:50.389 the sport. Thank you. The reason why I say that. 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:52.480 It's because if you have people out here, they 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:53.820 will say he's trying to grow the sport. You have 00:16:53.820 --> 00:16:55.259 people out here saying that he's saying boxing. 00:16:55.759 --> 00:16:58.019 Now, as clear as day, I think a lot of people, 00:16:58.059 --> 00:17:01.000 too, that I see have those opinions kind of admit 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:05.380 this week that, no, this isn't great. There really 00:17:05.380 --> 00:17:07.900 wasn't people coming out saying this was a good 00:17:07.900 --> 00:17:10.079 thing. There really wasn't that. Because here's 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:12.740 the thing. If you come out and you defend it, 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:16.160 you make it kind of obvious that you just either 00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:18.859 are blabbing before and everything, or you don't 00:17:18.859 --> 00:17:20.099 know what the fuck you're talking about. Yeah, 00:17:20.140 --> 00:17:27.700 yeah, yeah. Did I see Mike Hoppinger trying to 00:17:27.700 --> 00:17:31.839 alibi this? Hey, look, you get in November, you 00:17:31.839 --> 00:17:35.680 get Lubin Ortiz. Yeah, yeah. And you bet, and 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:39.519 benefit is gone. All for the low price of $44 00:17:39.519 --> 00:17:43.140 .99. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, bro, eat a dick. 00:17:43.319 --> 00:17:48.890 What are you talking about, bro? Yeah, no. Here's 00:17:48.890 --> 00:17:52.450 what you're also

going to see, okay? You're going 00:17:52.450 --> 00:17:55.829 to start seeing people say, hey, listen, for 00:17:55.829 --> 00:17:59.650 the price of your DAZN subscription, that's three 00:17:59.650 --> 00:18:07.509 PBC pay -per -views, duh. Yeah, yeah. Like I 00:18:07.509 --> 00:18:09.130 said, we're talking about DAZN. It just doesn't 00:18:09.130 --> 00:18:11.609 work. It's not going to work, okay? You're not 00:18:11.609 --> 00:18:15.089 going to build an app, I'm sorry, around just 00:18:15.089 --> 00:18:17.009 boxing. It's not going to happen. Okay, it's 00:18:17.009 --> 00:18:19.789 not going to happen. And boxing is an event to 00:18:19.789 --> 00:18:22.269 event situation, right? You build an event and 00:18:22.269 --> 00:18:24.309 that event brings in a bunch of people, but it's 00:18:24.309 --> 00:18:26.990 not like a continuous thing. That's not the way 00:18:26.990 --> 00:18:28.690 the sport is built. It's not the way it works. 00:18:28.750 --> 00:18:30.490 And you're especially not going to build it while 00:18:30.490 --> 00:18:32.289 you have to charge 500 bucks to start boxing. 00:18:32.670 --> 00:18:34.970 So it's not going to happen. This doesn't work. 00:18:35.480 --> 00:18:37.240 They're trying to make money with whatever they 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:39.779 have. I think DeZone's plan is more international. 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:41.720 I think they do things more internationally. 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:43.039 They're trying to figure out what they can do 00:18:43.039 --> 00:18:44.839 here. I mean, if you look at the main events 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:47.579 that they put on, obviously it's more international. 00:18:47.779 --> 00:18:48.880 Yeah, it's more international. But I think they 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:53.200 have other sports that are international. I think 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:55.380 they have UFC in some spots and stuff like that 00:18:55.380 --> 00:18:57.319 that they show internationally. They have other 00:18:57.319 --> 00:18:59.700 ways that they're going about it, right? Here, 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:01.099 it just doesn't work. This is not going to work. 00:19:01.259 --> 00:19:03.529 And it's not going to work. It'll never work. 00:19:03.710 --> 00:19:05.509 And it's not just for boxing. And as long as 00:19:05.509 --> 00:19:07.269 it's, I gotta be honest with you, as long as 00:19:07.269 --> 00:19:09.910 it's around, it will continue to suffocate boxing. 00:19:10.130 --> 00:19:13.269 It will continue to just, boxing will, not just 00:19:13.269 --> 00:19:16.529 a niche sport. I mean, we're talking about only 00:19:16.529 --> 00:19:18.829 a few people will ever know what the hell's going 00:19:18.829 --> 00:19:20.750 on. You will not be able to talk to a casual 00:19:20.750 --> 00:19:21.809 fan and be like, did you hear about this guy? 00:19:21.890 --> 00:19:22.690 Because he's gonna be like, I don't know what 00:19:22.690 --> 00:19:25.150 the hell you're talking about. Bro, nobody knows 00:19:25.150 --> 00:19:28.539 what the zone is. Exactly. Exactly. So you have 00:19:28.539 --> 00:19:32.000 this thing, it's gonna hurt the sport for a long 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:34.319 time. Now I get, people see those pay -per -views 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:35.759 and everything. Yeah, but people kinda at least 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:38.900 know what those vents are. They know those fighters, 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:41.920 they know where they can find it. No one has 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:43.539 the zone because the zone you would only get 00:19:43.539 --> 00:19:45.980 if you watch boxing. If you're a die -hard boxing 00:19:45.980 --> 00:19:48.160 fan, I'll be honest with you, a lot of die -hard 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:50.440 boxing fans don't even own the zone. They don't 00:19:50.440 --> 00:19:53.059 even pay for it. So like I'm saying, it's never 00:19:53.059 --> 00:19:54.539 gonna work. This is never gonna work. This is 00:19:54.539 --> 00:19:56.839 not a business plan that's gonna - Build a sport 00:19:56.839 --> 00:20:00.079 or be successful. It's not. So we'll see what 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:02.819 happens over the years. If they keep going with 00:20:02.819 --> 00:20:04.259 it, they keep attempting this, but Turkey just 00:20:04.259 --> 00:20:08.539 keeps funneling money into it. But there's no 00:20:08.539 --> 00:20:10.920 success here. You know what's funny about this 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:13.680 whole pay -per -view argument and Turkey said 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:17.059 this, Turkey lied, Turkey did a lie. Turkey on 00:20:17.059 --> 00:20:20.700 a sheet has enough money that if you want, you 00:20:20.700 --> 00:20:25.140 can take this stuff to another platform. It doesn't 00:20:25.140 --> 00:20:26.680 have to be on the dog, but it doesn't have to 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:28.799 be on the dog. He could take this card to another 00:20:28.799 --> 00:20:31.980 platform where it would be shown for free. You 00:20:31.980 --> 00:20:34.980 know, I keep, I mean, this is something we keep 00:20:34.980 --> 00:20:36.660 talking about, right? We keep talking about. 00:20:36.740 --> 00:20:40.420 It doesn't make any sense to us. You know, there's 00:20:40.420 --> 00:20:42.039 a reason why it doesn't happen. I don't know 00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:44.599 what that reason is, whether the money's not 00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:47.640 what we think it is or for other reasons. I don't 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:49.359 know, but it's not happening for a reason because 00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:54.109 I find it hard to believe, right? If he really 00:20:54.109 --> 00:20:56.650 had this money to spend, remember, everybody 00:20:56.650 --> 00:20:58.250 keeps telling me it's not about money. He has 00:20:58.250 --> 00:21:00.549 all the money in the world, does all this. There's 00:21:00.549 --> 00:21:01.990 a better way to do this then. And it's like, 00:21:02.049 --> 00:21:05.509 I'm not some business genius with boxing. I'm 00:21:05.509 --> 00:21:07.890 not. But I mean, there's guys that

see it, right? 00:21:07.970 --> 00:21:09.869 Like DiBella, he sees it. He's like, sometimes 00:21:09.869 --> 00:21:12.210 I don't get the play they're doing here. No one 00:21:12.210 --> 00:21:13.789 gets it. It's just common sense. You can take 00:21:13.789 --> 00:21:16.670 this somewhere else and get so much more viewership 00:21:16.670 --> 00:21:19.910 and maybe build something, right? Like you're 00:21:19.910 --> 00:21:21.390 trying to build something, but they're not doing 00:21:21.390 --> 00:21:24.599 that. basically blocking it, putting a wall around 00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:27.240 it. They keep putting a wall around it on a project 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:28.700 that no one wants to see. It's the strangest 00:21:28.700 --> 00:21:30.579 business thing. It's like, hey, I have something 00:21:30.579 --> 00:21:32.299 that no one wants to see. And you're like, well, 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:34.900 let's just put a wall around it. Wait a minute, 00:21:34.980 --> 00:21:37.339 but no one wants to see it already. Let's keep 00:21:37.339 --> 00:21:38.859 building walls around it. I don't understand 00:21:38.859 --> 00:21:41.619 it. Joining us now, Matt, before you respond 00:21:41.619 --> 00:21:44.880 here, we have Bellini Award winner, friend of 00:21:44.880 --> 00:21:49.690 the show, sometimes guest host. host of the Longest 00:21:49.690 --> 00:21:52.609 Running Boxing Podcast on YouTube, The Boxing 00:21:52.609 --> 00:21:54.910 Source. J .R. Bell, J .B .Z., how you doing today? 00:21:56.369 --> 00:22:01.269 Yo, what's going on, folks? Talking about this 00:22:01.269 --> 00:22:08.230 whole DAZN thing and Ezra Conley alluded to it. 00:22:08.650 --> 00:22:12.430 This thing with DAZN is they really deal with 00:22:12.430 --> 00:22:15.509 more about world sports and stuff like that, 00:22:15.569 --> 00:22:18.519 and boxing is like... almost at the very bottom 00:22:18.519 --> 00:22:20.720 of the totem pole when it comes to that. They 00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:24.500 get those contracts as far as acquiring broadcast 00:22:24.500 --> 00:22:27.319 rights for some of these sports in these other 00:22:27.319 --> 00:22:31.680 countries so that they can get the TV revenues 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:34.660 from that. Boxing is not really part of that 00:22:34.660 --> 00:22:39.240 plan, unless if it's a secondary thing. For example, 00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:43.000 when you had Tank versus Ryan Garcia, right? 00:22:43.420 --> 00:22:46.119 And you say Ryan has a contract with the zone. 00:22:46.700 --> 00:22:50.059 So what ends up happening is when they had the 00:22:50.059 --> 00:22:53.339 pay -per -view, you had, what was it at this 00:22:53.339 --> 00:22:56.680 time, Showtime, that had the US rights, but DAZN 00:22:56.680 --> 00:22:59.299 had the rights elsewhere. Pretty much like it 00:22:59.299 --> 00:23:02.160 happened the same way with, what was that? So 00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:07.079 you're not necessarily gonna get that much investment 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:11.480

from DAZN in the US market like that unless something 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:14.259 drastically changes, but. They're concerned about 00:23:14.259 --> 00:23:19.480 soccer or maybe getting MLB in Canada or the 00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:22.160 NBA in Japan and stuff like that. But outside 00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:24.460 of that, they really don't, you know, put too 00:23:24.460 --> 00:23:28.279 much into boxing, at least not right now. If 00:23:28.279 --> 00:23:33.619 they're concerned about the international audience 00:23:33.619 --> 00:23:37.180 and they're getting all this stuff from soccer 00:23:37.180 --> 00:23:40.220 and all these other ventures, why aren't they 00:23:40.220 --> 00:23:43.920 charging those fans? more money since those are 00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:45.519 people that actually consume their products. 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:49.640 You say, why are you talking about those? Wait, 00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:51.099 wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold 00:23:51.099 --> 00:23:54.779 on. When you're asking the question, why aren't 00:23:54.779 --> 00:23:58.279 you charging those fans more money? Because the 00:23:58.279 --> 00:24:00.519 demand is there for it. Pretty much the demand 00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:02.680 is there for it. But the thing is, you can still 00:24:02.680 --> 00:24:05.559 make the money off of that. You brought up the 00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:08.240 whole thing as far as like, what was it, Mike 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:16.039 Hopper just saying that, you get this. the rematch 00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:19.460 with you bank versus Ben and then the ring for 00:24:19.460 --> 00:24:24.640 with Benavidez yard and that be the same prices 00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:28.339 like a WWE pay per view. So, I mean, either way, 00:24:28.380 --> 00:24:30.559 it's more about what the consumer is willing 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:40.630 to pay for. There's no evidence in history that 00:24:40.630 --> 00:24:42.410 the consumers want to pay for this stuff. No, 00:24:42.430 --> 00:24:45.130 no, no, but that's the thing. I think this is 00:24:45.130 --> 00:24:48.109 admitting something. This is admitting something. 00:24:48.289 --> 00:24:50.109 This is admitting something. They're admitting 00:24:50.109 --> 00:24:53.210 that boxing isn't working. I think that's what 00:24:53.210 --> 00:24:55.230 they're admitting. They're admitting that, hey, 00:24:55.309 --> 00:24:57.509 who would buy this premium subscription? Only 00:24:57.509 --> 00:25:00.309 boxing fans. You get DAZN, you get all the other 00:25:00.309 --> 00:25:02.710 sports, which is paying for DAZN. What they're 00:25:02.710 --> 00:25:04.490 telling you is we're not making any money off 00:25:04.490 --> 00:25:07.210 this boxing thing. So we're going to offer, if 00:25:07.210 --> 00:25:09.109 you really want to watch boxing, if you have 00:25:09.109 --> 00:25:11.069 a thing, we're going to offer you additional 00:25:11.069 --> 00:25:12.809 money to watch it because we're not making any 00:25:12.809

--> 00:25:14.009 money on that. We're making all the money off. 00:25:14.069 --> 00:25:17.049 Everything else we have, they feel like returns 00:25:17.049 --> 00:25:18.970 some kind of value to them. They're basically 00:25:18.970 --> 00:25:21.609 telling you, boxing isn't working for us, so 00:25:21.609 --> 00:25:23.369 we're going to offer an additional thing for 00:25:23.369 --> 00:25:24.849 anyone that wants to pay for it, and we'll see 00:25:24.849 --> 00:25:27.349 how it goes with that people paying for it. But 00:25:27.349 --> 00:25:28.369 that's basically what they're admitting. They're 00:25:28.369 --> 00:25:29.650 admitting that this isn't working. This is the 00:25:29.650 --> 00:25:31.990 one sport they put money in that's not returning 00:25:31.990 --> 00:25:36.859 value to us. I think that's what this is. Well, 00:25:36.859 --> 00:25:45.660 good luck with that. But the other thing is that 00:25:45.660 --> 00:25:48.480 you still have to run into the issue of how you're 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:50.700 going to take care of the cost, regardless if 00:25:50.700 --> 00:25:53.180 it's DAZN or anybody else. You still have that 00:25:53.180 --> 00:25:56.059 same price point. Like you said with the thing 00:25:56.059 --> 00:25:58.720 with the $44 .99, it's not much different than 00:25:58.720 --> 00:26:00.359 what happened with Showtime, not much different 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:02.119 than what's happening with Amazon Prime. You 00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:03.940 still have to deal with that price point because 00:26:03.940 --> 00:26:06.220 you still have to pay out. Who you need to pay 00:26:06.220 --> 00:26:08.539 out, regardless of who the fighters are and what 00:26:08.539 --> 00:26:11.880 the event is. Would we say streaming has been 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:16.680 positive or negative for boxing? Negative. Right? 00:26:17.539 --> 00:26:21.099 I think streaming has been pretty - Viewership 00:26:21.099 --> 00:26:23.019 standpoint, negative. Pretty obvious. I think 00:26:23.019 --> 00:26:25.140 to me, pretty obvious and negative, right? Pretty 00:26:25.140 --> 00:26:29.099 obvious. Yeah, it's negative, but you're - Like 00:26:29.099 --> 00:26:33.779 I said, what else can they do? I do want to add 00:26:33.779 --> 00:26:37.400 another voice to the conversation quickly. We 00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:39.599 have host of the Sunday Morning Sermon and host 00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:42.579 of the RNS podcast, T .Y. Follow him on Twitter 00:26:42.579 --> 00:26:44.859 as MrKeepIt100Boxing. What do you got to say 00:26:44.859 --> 00:26:49.900 on this? Y 'all tripping, man. So basically, 00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:53.039 I got a lot to say. For one, so basically you're 00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:55.180 telling me boxing on the zone is WNBA getting 00:26:55.180 --> 00:26:56.880 subsidized. That's what you're telling me, right? 00:26:57.079 --> 00:27:02.720 Yes. Yeah, 100%. Okay, and two, I've been listening 00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:06.140 since y 'all started. So get it, turkey ain't 00:27:06.140 --> 00:27:08.240 perfect. But y 'all complaining about the one 00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:10.160 guy that doesn't want to spend money. I'm scared 00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:11.440 the other guys don't want to spend a fucking 00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:14.700 dollar on the sport. And y 'all kids stay ass. 00:27:14.779 --> 00:27:16.660 That's not true, y 'all. They don't spend a dollar 00:27:16.660 --> 00:27:22.309 on the sport. That's not true. Okay, $2. That's 00:27:22.309 --> 00:27:25.009 what I've been telling me for two years going 00:27:25.009 --> 00:27:27.089 out of business. Now he's in top rank going out 00:27:27.089 --> 00:27:28.930 of business. He's been on five shows a year. 00:27:29.130 --> 00:27:31.950 But Josh and the guy is actually trying. That 00:27:31.950 --> 00:27:34.970 makes no sense. That makes sense. That only makes 00:27:34.970 --> 00:27:37.970 sense. But wait, but Ty, okay, just question. 00:27:38.289 --> 00:27:39.930 Is boxing in a better spot because of Turkey? 00:27:42.360 --> 00:27:45.500 Yes. No, it's not. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, 00:27:45.500 --> 00:27:46.299 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 00:27:46.299 --> 00:27:48.359 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:49.039 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:49.420 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 00:27:49.420 --> 00:28:12.190 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, We 00:28:12.190 --> 00:28:14.410 will get more events, not less events. I think 00:28:14.410 --> 00:28:19.230 so. On ESPN? Wait, wait, wait. Ty, I think you 00:28:19.230 --> 00:28:20.990 will get these fights that we're having on one 00:28:20.990 --> 00:28:23.710 card spread out through a schedule. On what channel? 00:28:24.930 --> 00:28:27.210 You would have had ESPN, you had The Zone, you 00:28:27.210 --> 00:28:30.230 had - They left us for it. ESPN left us for it. 00:28:30.450 --> 00:28:33.769 He didn't add any channels. Since he came, we've 00:28:33.769 --> 00:28:39.509 lost channels. You know why we lost channels? 00:28:39.670 --> 00:28:42.750 Because - The promoters say, you know what? You 00:28:42.750 --> 00:28:44.769 got to invest my money. Don't give me the money. 00:28:46.549 --> 00:28:48.710 That's not exactly true. They were getting money 00:28:48.710 --> 00:28:52.269 to them. That is true. No, no, no, no. Because 00:28:52.269 --> 00:28:57.619 Top Rank lost ESPN because TKO. Had an inside 00:28:57.619 --> 00:29:01.380 man at ESPN that convinced ESPN not to negotiate 00:29:01.380 --> 00:29:05.200 with Top Rank. And then as soon as UFC got their 00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:07.640 contract with Paramount, they hired a waiter 00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:10.400 guy from ESPN, Matt Kenney, to come over and 00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:12.299 work for them at Paramount. That's why Top Rank 00:29:12.299 --> 00:29:16.319 wants to deal with ESPN. If you want to go behind 00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:19.039 the

scenes. That's Turkey's fault? I didn't say 00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:20.819 it's Turkey's fault. Did you hear me say it? 00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:24.339 So, so, hold on. It's Turkey's fault they can't 00:29:24.339 --> 00:29:25.960 make it to Ryan Anderson versus Ortiz? No, but 00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:30.180 here's the thing, though, right? Here's the thing. 00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:32.579 When Turkey comes in, right? And I get you. You 00:29:32.579 --> 00:29:34.640 got some fights where you're like, oh, well, 00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:36.779 look at these cards. I get it. I get it. But 00:29:36.779 --> 00:29:39.180 the problem is, is that there was a business, 00:29:39.319 --> 00:29:40.980 right? Because here's the problem with boxing 00:29:40.980 --> 00:29:42.940 now. We basically have to talk business every 00:29:42.940 --> 00:29:46.099 time we talk the sport now. Because why, though? 00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:48.539 Because the sport's dying. Now, what Turkey did 00:29:48.539 --> 00:29:51.180 is he came in and he threw money, right? And 00:29:51.180 --> 00:29:53.059 he said, hey, come over here. Well, the fight's 00:29:53.059 --> 00:29:54.740 in Saudi. Come over here. We'll make these fights 00:29:54.740 --> 00:29:56.799 that aren't getting made. But there was a reason 00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:58.220 why some fights weren't getting made. Like, look 00:29:58.220 --> 00:30:00.640 at Benjamin Bavall. I agree with you on that. 00:30:00.740 --> 00:30:01.900 We wouldn't have got that fight, I don't think, 00:30:01.940 --> 00:30:03.380 without Turkey. I don't think we'd get that fight. 00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:04.799 But the reason why we wouldn't have got that 00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:06.779 fight is because they wanted an insane amount 00:30:06.779 --> 00:30:08.299 of money to make that fight. And they weren't 00:30:08.299 --> 00:30:10.880 worth the money that was. There's a business 00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:14.339 to it. He eliminated profitable business that 00:30:14.339 --> 00:30:16.440 these guys were doing, smart business to grow 00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:19.160 the sport that made these guys earn the audience. 00:30:19.930 --> 00:30:22.869 work for an audience, and build a sport. He eliminated 00:30:22.869 --> 00:30:25.009 that. So now what they do, the guys are just 00:30:25.009 --> 00:30:26.809 going to him, getting funneled, but you're not 00:30:26.809 --> 00:30:28.250 building any names. You're not trying to build 00:30:28.250 --> 00:30:29.869 any audience because you know the money's coming 00:30:29.869 --> 00:30:33.809 from this guy. That's the truth. So why Bavall, 00:30:33.809 --> 00:30:36.009 here you go, why Bavall promoted and Eddie Hearn 00:30:36.009 --> 00:30:42.779 and Bertram promoted at the time? Because they 00:30:42.779 --> 00:30:44.220 weren't going to make any money from it because 00:30:44.220 --> 00:30:48.500 of money that they wanted. Exactly. That's a 00:30:48.500 --> 00:30:50.900 business, though. So you have to earn the audience. 00:30:51.099 --> 00:30:52.640 So then you go a different direction to build 00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:54.559 it. Or the fighters give in and say, I'll take 00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:57.619 what's there. But doing this, like entering fake 00:30:57.619 --> 00:31:00.059 fluff money, and then not building an audience 00:31:00.059 --> 00:31:02.200 and not caring about that is killing the sport. 00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:05.019 No, no, no. Hey, Az, I'm not saying you wrong, 00:31:05.220 --> 00:31:08.400 Az. But y 'all, it's like y 'all focused on Turkey. 00:31:08.809 --> 00:31:10.750 But don't focus on Eddie. Y 'all don't focus 00:31:10.750 --> 00:31:14.609 on Oscar. Y 'all don't focus on PBC. Let's put 00:31:14.609 --> 00:31:19.430 on fights. No, no, no, no, no. That's not true, 00:31:19.529 --> 00:31:21.410 though, because I've been negative on Oscar. 00:31:21.529 --> 00:31:23.170 I've been negative on Eddie. But the truth is 00:31:23.170 --> 00:31:26.269 now that with Eddie, he's going to go to where 00:31:26.269 --> 00:31:27.990 the money is easy. That's what all these guys 00:31:27.990 --> 00:31:28.910 are going to do. They're going to go to where 00:31:28.910 --> 00:31:32.210 the money is easy. Exactly. Yes, I agree. But 00:31:32.210 --> 00:31:34.009 Turkey's entering this money that's not real 00:31:34.009 --> 00:31:41.540 with no plan. He doesn't have no business. I 00:31:41.540 --> 00:31:47.039 mean, the thing about it is, with Turkey, it 00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:51.259 gives them an opportunity to either lease their 00:31:51.259 --> 00:31:55.079 fighters out or lease a card out. He's almost 00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:58.339 like how the TV networks are. Because what happens 00:31:58.339 --> 00:32:01.079 with these matchroom cards or top rank cards 00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:04.000 or golden boy cards is they'll have something 00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:06.759 that they put together, matchmaker, promoter, 00:32:06.779 --> 00:32:09.579 whatever it is. And then they submit it to a 00:32:09.579 --> 00:32:11.700 network. If the network's cool with it, they'll 00:32:11.700 --> 00:32:13.900 be like, all right, bet. We'll put it on the 00:32:13.900 --> 00:32:17.140 network and see what happens. If not, then it 00:32:17.140 --> 00:32:23.660 just gets rejected. They don't necessarily have 00:32:23.660 --> 00:32:26.359 to deal with that on that front. But at the same 00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:29.640 token, given the platform that they're currently 00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:33.079 using, you still have that paywall. So that's 00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:37.630 the thing about it is that you don't. For example, 00:32:37.710 --> 00:32:41.269 with the events and so on, right? Not all of 00:32:41.269 --> 00:32:44.730 those will be on a paywall, but depending on 00:32:44.730 --> 00:32:46.769 what they have as the event, it will be on a 00:32:46.769 --> 00:32:48.630 paywall. Like how to change the thing here for 00:32:48.630 --> 00:32:51.529 November 22nd. Originally, it was supposed to

00:32:51.529 --> 00:32:54.609 be $3 .99. Now it's on a paywall. It was never 00:32:54.609 --> 00:32:58.099 going to be free. He lied. What are they going 00:32:58.099 --> 00:32:59.859 to get that for y 'all fucking thick skulls? 00:32:59.859 --> 00:33:03.819 He lied. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. 00:33:03.819 --> 00:33:05.660 Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. 00:33:05.900 --> 00:33:12.960 Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. 00:33:20.539 --> 00:33:28.619 Hold on. is kill these markets in boxing so that 00:33:28.619 --> 00:33:31.960 he can scoop up everything for cheap. His plan 00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:34.579 is working just fine. And you got people like 00:33:34.579 --> 00:33:37.519 Todd defending him. No, I'm not. Because he don't 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:39.539 know no better. He don't know no better, man. 00:33:40.460 --> 00:33:43.240 Listen, your man Oscar allowed it. Al allowed 00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:46.180 it and Bob allowed it. Because they put their 00:33:46.180 --> 00:33:48.460 hand out. They allowed it. If they want it to 00:33:48.460 --> 00:33:50.440 happen, they should have put their fucking money 00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:52.740 up. They already have network deals, all the 00:33:52.740 --> 00:33:55.000 fighters. So who are we talking about? Wait, 00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:57.319 wait, you're telling me that PBC not putting 00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:00.140 their own money up? I'm not saying that. They're 00:34:00.140 --> 00:34:07.339 not putting events up. We got eight events in 00:34:07.339 --> 00:34:10.880 two years? Whoop -dee -doo. Give them a cookie. 00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:20.880 Okay. How many events have we got in two years? 00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:24.579 Here we go. They are number one. They are the 00:34:24.579 --> 00:34:25.940 big leagues. So why are the big leagues getting 00:34:25.940 --> 00:34:28.360 excused for putting on shit shows and no shows? 00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:31.679 Why do they get a pass? Who's put on shit shows? 00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:35.739 See, they put no shows on. When's the last show 00:34:35.739 --> 00:34:37.920 they had? No, you said they put on shit shows. 00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:41.400 Take off one word I said. When's the last show 00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:45.440 they put on? Hey, they need more shows. No, answer 00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:47.260 my question. When's the last show they put on? 00:34:48.489 --> 00:34:50.530 No, no, no, you can't answer my question. No, 00:34:50.769 --> 00:34:53.889 no, no, you can't answer my question. One month, 00:34:54.030 --> 00:34:56.090 one month. Todd, they need to put on more shows. 00:34:56.949 --> 00:35:01.070 Okay. There we go. They need to put on more shows. 00:35:02.489 --> 00:35:03.530 One more thing, one more thing, if you could 00:35:03.530 --> 00:35:06.190 go on. Why are we not hiring, why are we not, 00:35:06.269 --> 00:35:07.929 we're not with Turkey, what about the motherfucker 00:35:07.929 --> 00:35:11.150 that got all the fighters, that's the

A -team? 00:35:11.590 --> 00:35:14.110 We should be criticizing them, not the fucking, 00:35:14.230 --> 00:35:19.369 not the Raiders. Why wouldn't we be criticizing 00:35:19.369 --> 00:35:22.949 him? Listen, he is the cause of a lot of things 00:35:22.949 --> 00:35:24.550 behind the scenes in boxing that nobody wants 00:35:24.550 --> 00:35:25.429 to talk about. All right, man, all right, all 00:35:25.429 --> 00:35:27.210 right. I forgot I'm talking to him. I forgot 00:35:27.210 --> 00:35:30.849 I'm talking to him. Listen, people are afraid 00:35:30.849 --> 00:35:33.389 of reprisal, so they're not going to say things 00:35:33.389 --> 00:35:37.730 out loud. He killed the UK boxing scene. I agree 00:35:37.730 --> 00:35:39.789 with you. He suffocated the American boxing scene. 00:35:40.190 --> 00:35:47.550 Bro, this is what he wants to do. I just think 00:35:47.550 --> 00:35:50.670 if people went by, like, if we said the other 00:35:50.670 --> 00:35:52.690 day when we were talking, I'm not trying to pick 00:35:52.690 --> 00:35:55.269 on PBC, but if Tank and Earl and all the dudes 00:35:55.269 --> 00:35:56.730 they were supposed to do, Turkey wouldn't have 00:35:56.730 --> 00:35:59.610 had no foot in the game. They want to be rappers 00:35:59.610 --> 00:36:02.289 and do other shit, so it's fucked up. The game 00:36:02.289 --> 00:36:07.190 over. Get in where you fit in. It's not over. 00:36:07.389 --> 00:36:10.110 I think it's going to be interesting. I think 00:36:10.110 --> 00:36:14.429 right now, Thanos is winning the Infinity War. 00:36:16.629 --> 00:36:20.070 But the Avengers, they come out on top in the 00:36:20.070 --> 00:36:23.170 end. Just remember that. Okay, Matt, I agree 00:36:23.170 --> 00:36:25.670 with you, Matt. I get it. But it's just like, 00:36:25.690 --> 00:36:29.070 man, I don't know, bro. I don't know. I want 00:36:29.070 --> 00:36:31.510 to say this. I want to say this. I don't, listen, 00:36:31.690 --> 00:36:33.610 I think that you're right, Matt. I think what 00:36:33.610 --> 00:36:35.929 we're talking about is, you know, kill the markets 00:36:35.929 --> 00:36:38.750 and you have control over this. I don't know 00:36:38.750 --> 00:36:40.289 that, I'll be honest with you, because sometimes 00:36:40.289 --> 00:36:42.030 it's the only thing that would make sense to 00:36:42.030 --> 00:36:44.190 me that they did that. I don't know that he's 00:36:44.190 --> 00:36:46.050 necessarily even doing that. I don't think they 00:36:46.050 --> 00:36:48.250 have any sense of what they're doing. That's 00:36:48.250 --> 00:36:50.150 personally, that's what I think. I don't think 00:36:50.150 --> 00:36:51.769 they have any sense of what they're doing. I 00:36:51.769 --> 00:36:53.409 think he just wants, I think Turkey wants to 00:36:53.409 --> 00:36:55.909 be the face of boxing. I think Turkey wants to 00:36:55.909 --> 00:36:59.269 be the Dana White of boxing. I think that's what 00:36:59.269 --> 00:37:01.449 he wants. And that's personally, that's what 00:37:01.449 --> 00:37:05.849 I think. I don't see some grand scheme really 00:37:05.849 --> 00:37:08.769 to turn this all around. I don't see it. There's 00:37:08.769 --> 00:37:11.550 just some moves. You would have to do some moves 00:37:11.550 --> 00:37:13.829 to do that because honestly, right now, He could 00:37:13.829 --> 00:37:17.309 pull the rug on boxing right now. Exactly. The 00:37:17.309 --> 00:37:20.690 rug on boxing. He's not doing it. He's not doing 00:37:20.690 --> 00:37:24.369 it. So I just think it's a slow death with a 00:37:24.369 --> 00:37:26.190 guy trying to be the face of something that doesn't 00:37:26.190 --> 00:37:28.670 know how to grow it. That's the truth of it. 00:37:28.909 --> 00:37:31.889 That's honestly, because you would stop giving 00:37:31.889 --> 00:37:34.230 money to these promoters because the promoters 00:37:34.230 --> 00:37:37.389 are collecting checks from this. They are piling 00:37:37.389 --> 00:37:40.889 money up. So you eliminate the competition and 00:37:40.889 --> 00:37:42.789 it'll take all that away from them. And I just 00:37:42.789 --> 00:37:49.909 don't see that. I told you, I told you what they 00:37:49.909 --> 00:37:52.050 need to make this work. Yes, I agree with you. 00:37:52.269 --> 00:37:55.210 And they didn't do it. They didn't do it. They 00:37:55.210 --> 00:37:58.130 hitched their wagon to the wrong horse. I agree 00:37:58.130 --> 00:38:00.570 with you. And it's not working. It's not working. 00:38:00.730 --> 00:38:03.170 And they hitched their wagon to the wrong network. 00:38:03.510 --> 00:38:07.199 And to be fair, the zone. Did this originally, 00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:09.139 right? DAZN did something what Turkey did, but 00:38:09.139 --> 00:38:11.500 a smaller form was overpay for flights and then 00:38:11.500 --> 00:38:13.579 bring their stuff over there. And we know that 00:38:13.579 --> 00:38:15.420 the viewership went down because we had the perfect 00:38:15.420 --> 00:38:18.920 test sample with Canelo Alvarez. Alvarez's numbers 00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:22.000 dipped major when it went to DAZN. We know that. 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.460 We all know that. Okay, there's no arguing that. 00:38:25.139 --> 00:38:27.340 They did that with everything they took over 00:38:27.340 --> 00:38:29.719 their dime. Mikey Garcia lost over there. No 00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:31.739 one even knew that Mikey Garcia had lost over 00:38:31.739 --> 00:38:35.340 there. It's its own world. The fact that he went 00:38:35.340 --> 00:38:37.440 in and committed with this network, maybe because 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:38.860 he was the only one that would let him in like 00:38:38.860 --> 00:38:42.039 that, there's nowhere to grow from here. He's 00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:44.119 just doing an extreme what DeZong already did. 00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:46.840 He's doing it to an extreme. I know people say, 00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:49.000 well, PBC tried to orbit. Well, PBC did this 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:51.760

on networks people can actually watch. And a 00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:53.780 lot of the times, it paid off for them because 00:38:53.780 --> 00:38:55.860 they were still being profitable. This right 00:38:55.860 --> 00:38:58.800 here is dying. I get what you're saying, but 00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:02.179 there's no truth. I get it, people don't know 00:39:02.179 --> 00:39:04.940 the network, but don't tell me a person can't 00:39:04.940 --> 00:39:07.460 download an app. My 11 -year -old son can download. 00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:10.300 He probably got more apps on his phone than you 00:39:10.300 --> 00:39:15.960 do. But Ty, but Ty, so why can't The Zone even 00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:19.820 crack 500 ,000 US subscribers? You know why, 00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:22.840 right? Listen, and I bet you, right, if we did 00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:25.880 a little poll with regular boxing people, not 00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:28.820 us nerds, they'd probably say, come on, HBO. 00:39:30.230 --> 00:39:34.429 Bet you half will say HBO Showtime. That's average 00:39:34.429 --> 00:39:38.329 casual fan that watch boxing. HBO, right? They 00:39:38.329 --> 00:39:41.210 don't know it? They don't know it's off ESPN? 00:39:43.789 --> 00:39:46.110 But here's the thing, right? And this is why 00:39:46.110 --> 00:39:47.710 I was talking about the streaming, right? Because 00:39:47.710 --> 00:39:49.789 streaming separate, one thing that boxing already 00:39:49.789 --> 00:39:51.769 is, is it's separate. It's all broken up, right? 00:39:52.670 --> 00:39:54.650 streaming separated even more. You had one guy 00:39:54.650 --> 00:39:57.510 here, here. But at least when it was on ESPN, 00:39:57.650 --> 00:39:59.130 right? And then you have it on Showtime. And 00:39:59.130 --> 00:40:00.969 you have Crawford and Earl Spence. And they're 00:40:00.969 --> 00:40:03.010 talking contracts. At least you're getting contract 00:40:03.010 --> 00:40:06.769 talk on ESPN and Showtime at the same time. So 00:40:06.769 --> 00:40:08.170 it's almost a connected storyline. You're getting 00:40:08.170 --> 00:40:09.690 two different audiences, two different things, 00:40:09.789 --> 00:40:12.389 two options. On DAZN, when I laugh at Virgil 00:40:12.389 --> 00:40:14.650 Ortiz and Boots arguing a contract, no one's 00:40:14.650 --> 00:40:17.349 watching you argue this contract. No one is listening 00:40:17.349 --> 00:40:20.039 to it. When you're on HBO and Showtime, right? 00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:22.260 At least everything was getting funneled to one 00:40:22.260 --> 00:40:24.659 thing. One thing was focused on advertising that 00:40:24.659 --> 00:40:27.599 thing. It all felt connected in a way, right? 00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:30.440 Now everything's separated. Okay, that was already 00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:32.559 bad. Separating everything, hard to make fights. 00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:35.639 But at least they're on ESPN and Showtime. Even 00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:37.059 I'll take Amazon, right? Even if you're on Amazon. 00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:39.760 But now it's all separated and everything's on 00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:43.519 its own. No one's going to watch it. It doesn't 00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:45.639 work for the sport. The sport needs a funnel 00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:47.800 system. You have different voters and everything, 00:40:47.860 --> 00:40:50.699 but it follows to one thing. And this DAZN, no 00:40:50.699 --> 00:40:52.360 one's going to buy the app because it can't advertise. 00:40:52.579 --> 00:40:54.860 Have you seen a DAZN commercial? When you watch 00:40:54.860 --> 00:40:56.980 NFL, you see a DAZN commercial. When you watch 00:40:56.980 --> 00:41:00.000 a DAZN commercial, they can't advertise. That's 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:01.500 a key point. You have to be able to advertise 00:41:01.500 --> 00:41:04.239 these fights. They can't advertise the fights. 00:41:04.500 --> 00:41:07.000 They can't advertise their network. No one knows 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:09.380 it exists. I know you said that. Your son downloads 00:41:09.380 --> 00:41:11.019 a bunch of apps, but because he's heard of the 00:41:11.019 --> 00:41:14.039 apps, because he's seen them. He don't know what 00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:16.000 the zone is. No one's going to go download the 00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:19.760 zone. The zone's been around forever. Bring it 00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:21.159 up to people. They won't know what the hell I'm 00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:23.219 talking about. They don't know what I'm talking 00:41:23.219 --> 00:41:25.420 about. It's impossible to get this going. And 00:41:25.420 --> 00:41:27.199 in the US, you're trying to build it off of boxing. 00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:29.199 That's not going to work. It's not going to work. 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:33.000 It'll never work. And it hasn't worked. And it's 00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:36.019 not going to work. All right, well, stop watching 00:41:36.019 --> 00:41:38.400 boxing. Stop watching boxing. Go watch the Knicks. 00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:40.780 Go to the Knicks Twitter then. Bye. Hey, listen. 00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:46.659 Let me tell you something. I barely, I will barely 00:41:46.659 --> 00:41:50.019 watch anymore. Trust me when I tell you. You 00:41:50.019 --> 00:41:52.900 ain't got to worry about me. Bye. You ain't got 00:41:52.900 --> 00:41:54.659 to worry about me. I'm going to tell you this 00:41:54.659 --> 00:41:56.260 right now. Go watch Eden Press and break your 00:41:56.260 --> 00:41:58.059 heart. I'm going to tell you this right now. 00:41:58.739 --> 00:42:01.900 The Zone, the Matchroom, all the guys on there. 00:42:02.659 --> 00:42:05.739 should be funneling all their stuff to guys like 00:42:05.739 --> 00:42:08.559 us to support and watch the sport and talk the 00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:11.139 sport basically for free, right? Actually, it 00:42:11.139 --> 00:42:12.219 kind of cost me money, I'll be honest with you, 00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:14.199 to talk the sport. But it cost me money. Like 00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:15.719 I

said, it's only cost me money and time with 00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:18.280 my family. That's all this cost me. But all I'm 00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:19.719 saying is they should be funneling to us because 00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:23.119 they cannot advertise, okay? But bringing in 00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:25.300 guys and then saying, oh, you're on the zone 00:42:25.300 --> 00:42:27.449 now. Well, then that doesn't make any sense. 00:42:27.530 --> 00:42:29.369 You've got to take the zone and spread it out, 00:42:29.449 --> 00:42:31.230 not bring it in. You've got to take the zone 00:42:31.230 --> 00:42:32.409 and spread it out. They should be giving me all 00:42:32.409 --> 00:42:33.650 their content. They should be giving us all their 00:42:33.650 --> 00:42:34.869 content. We should be allowed to talk about it. 00:42:34.909 --> 00:42:36.309 We should be allowed to do breakdowns on it, 00:42:36.329 --> 00:42:38.070 but they don't do that. They don't let you do 00:42:38.070 --> 00:42:39.250 breakdowns on their stuff. They don't let you 00:42:39.250 --> 00:42:43.369 advertise their stuff. Did they just add Queensberry 00:42:43.369 --> 00:42:47.670 Promotions with the deal? Yep. Yeah, another 00:42:47.670 --> 00:42:52.530 one. As they say, another one. As I said before, 00:42:52.710 --> 00:42:55.809 we'll see how it goes when the actual product 00:42:55.809 --> 00:42:58.949 is off the zone. Doesn't really invest that much 00:42:58.949 --> 00:43:02.150 into boxing in comparison to all the other sports 00:43:02.150 --> 00:43:04.489 that they, you know, try to get their contract 00:43:04.489 --> 00:43:07.789 broadcast to. So we'll see how it goes here within 00:43:07.789 --> 00:43:12.510 these next couple of years. Yeah. So from one 00:43:12.510 --> 00:43:16.650 subscription deal to another. Subscriptions are 00:43:16.650 --> 00:43:19.530 going to be broadcasted on the Top Rank Classics 00:43:19.530 --> 00:43:21.969 free ad -supported streaming TV app in the U 00:43:21.969 --> 00:43:23.869 .S. This is going to be available on the Roku 00:43:23.869 --> 00:43:28.750 channel, Tubi, and Vizio. So we saw this start 00:43:28.750 --> 00:43:31.190 last week, I believe. It'll continue next week. 00:43:31.769 --> 00:43:33.389 Matt, let's start with you. Is this a win for 00:43:33.389 --> 00:43:37.349 Top Rank? This is a huge win for Top Rank. And 00:43:37.349 --> 00:43:41.769 it's a huge win for boxing fans. Because when 00:43:41.769 --> 00:43:47.619 PBC... left Showtime and they had to deal with 00:43:47.619 --> 00:43:52.579 Amazon, we went almost a whole half a year without 00:43:52.579 --> 00:43:56.119 being able to watch our favorite PBC fighters. 00:43:56.559 --> 00:44:02.000 So I love that Top Rank are keeping their fighters 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:06.340 not only busy in the meantime, but they're putting 00:44:06.340 --> 00:44:08.679 them in a place where everybody can watch it 00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:11.239 for free. I think that's a huge move for boxing 00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:15.420 and a huge W for top rank. I think it's good 00:44:15.420 --> 00:44:16.940 for fans. I think it's really good for fans. 00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:18.380 I think it's great for the fans. You're going 00:44:18.380 --> 00:44:19.739 to be able to watch these fights, and we know 00:44:19.739 --> 00:44:21.219 the tension fight, which is a fight I'm really 00:44:21.219 --> 00:44:22.920 excited about. We're going to be able to watch 00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:24.639 that, and it's going to be easy access to it. 00:44:24.780 --> 00:44:30.199 I think that's great. As far as good for top 00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:34.619 rank. I mean, I don't know. I think I guess compared 00:44:34.619 --> 00:44:37.059 to not being able to view it anywhere, I guess 00:44:37.059 --> 00:44:38.820 that's, yeah, comparative to where they were 00:44:38.820 --> 00:44:41.639 at. Then, yeah, I'm with you on that. But as 00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:44.139 far as for the fans, I'm with you. Like, I hope 00:44:44.139 --> 00:44:46.460 that this gets a lot of viewership because easy 00:44:46.460 --> 00:44:48.079 access to it and everything like that. And you 00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:50.239 know one thing they did last time for the mayor 00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:52.099 fight, which was pretty good, is they had a lot 00:44:52.099 --> 00:44:54.639 of, like, advertisement on Twitter. Like, oh, 00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:56.019 this is where you can see the fight. You go here, 00:44:56.099 --> 00:44:57.559 here, here. And they explained it pretty well. 00:44:58.009 --> 00:45:00.590 So you can, you know, a lot of times I see it's 00:45:00.590 --> 00:45:02.269 funny that these social medias are like really, 00:45:02.309 --> 00:45:04.110 really not great. And you would think that that's 00:45:04.110 --> 00:45:05.530 the one spot where you could be pretty damn good 00:45:05.530 --> 00:45:07.630 at, right? You could put some money into advertising 00:45:07.630 --> 00:45:10.449 and they're not that great at it. Like DAZN and 00:45:10.449 --> 00:45:12.769 Matchroom and all them, they don't do it that 00:45:12.769 --> 00:45:14.590 well. But I like the way Top Rank did it. But 00:45:14.590 --> 00:45:16.690 like I said, it's a good spot for national anything 00:45:16.690 --> 00:45:19.010 at all. It's a good spot for that. But like I 00:45:19.010 --> 00:45:20.250 said, for the fans, I think it's pretty good. 00:45:21.769 --> 00:45:24.789 So does this mean that you're going to stop getting 00:45:24.789 --> 00:45:30.670 those good luck tweets? Hey, we got a congrats 00:45:30.670 --> 00:45:33.190 tweet last night for Tiger Johnson. Yeah, congrats 00:45:33.190 --> 00:45:36.269 tweet. You know, congrats to Tiger Johnson for 00:45:36.269 --> 00:45:38.730 this. You know what I'm saying? I don't know, 00:45:38.750 --> 00:45:43.099 man. Well, we've had the recent news in reference 00:45:43.099 --> 00:45:45.739 to a fight that involves the top ring fighters. 00:45:45.940 --> 00:45:49.440 So maybe that gets

put on the network. And then 00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:52.079 we got, what is it, one other announcement for 00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:54.179 another world champion? What is it, Spinoza supposed 00:45:54.179 --> 00:45:55.739 to be on there or something like that? Yeah, 00:45:55.739 --> 00:45:59.340 Spinoza. So, yeah. So, I mean, we'll see how 00:45:59.340 --> 00:46:02.320 they kind of build that particular challenge, 00:46:02.420 --> 00:46:05.219 if that works for them or if they're going to 00:46:05.219 --> 00:46:07.599 continue to look for another broadcast deal. 00:46:10.019 --> 00:46:11.760 T .Y., what are your thoughts on this deal for 00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:15.199 top rank? Well, it's great to me because I've 00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:17.340 been pumping 2B. I've been liking 2B. I watch 00:46:17.340 --> 00:46:19.599 the HBO series, so I like 2B. I like it. It's 00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:22.360 easy, accessible. You know what I mean? Download 00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:24.159 it, just like The Zone. You download both of 00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:26.300 them, but, you know, one is free, one not free. 00:46:26.460 --> 00:46:28.920 It is what it is. Let me ask you a question, 00:46:29.019 --> 00:46:31.019 Ty. You know Matt going to pump up one and hate 00:46:31.019 --> 00:46:33.119 another one. You know how Matt is. Let me ask 00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:36.800 you a question, Ty. Who is going to be a bigger 00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:40.670 star on 2B, top rank or gravy? Gravy, he liked 00:46:40.670 --> 00:46:47.210 himself. Okay, okay. I like that though. I really 00:46:47.210 --> 00:46:49.190 like the 2B thing because 2B is accessible to 00:46:49.190 --> 00:46:50.449 everybody. So I like it. I mean, it's a good 00:46:50.449 --> 00:46:55.010 move. I look at it this way. If 2B is good enough 00:46:55.010 --> 00:46:57.929 for the Super Bowl, it's good enough for boxing. 00:47:00.250 --> 00:47:07.289 And 2B owned by Fox, right? Yes. So couldn't 00:47:07.289 --> 00:47:09.889 they buy commercial time? If they had a big fight? 00:47:10.150 --> 00:47:14.269 Yes, yes. Well, Jimmy, yeah, they do that. Okay. 00:47:14.489 --> 00:47:18.309 They may have those heads, like Chad. Who's Chad? 00:47:19.909 --> 00:47:21.710 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've seen that. I've 00:47:21.710 --> 00:47:23.070 seen that. I've seen that. A question from the 00:47:23.070 --> 00:47:25.389 listener. His friend Rosebud Ice Cream says, 00:47:25.550 --> 00:47:27.309 Matt, do you know how long the length of this 00:47:27.309 --> 00:47:29.849 deal is? Or maybe rephrasing that, how long their 00:47:29.849 --> 00:47:32.630 fights will be broadcast on top -ranked classics 00:47:32.630 --> 00:47:35.429 before they maybe move to a more standard traditional 00:47:35.429 --> 00:47:40.570 TV deal? First quarter of 2026. Oh, wow. That's 00:47:40.570 --> 00:47:41.929 going to date. That's not going to date, Matt. 00:47:42.070 --> 00:47:44.429 That's not going to date. First quarter of 2026, 00:47:44.710 --> 00:47:49.110 you will see top rank on another platform. By 00:47:49.110 --> 00:47:53.550 March 31st. Okay, so will we get an announcement 00:47:53.550 --> 00:47:57.030 this year? We might not see it on that thing, 00:47:57.090 --> 00:48:00.230 but will we get an announcement this year? I 00:48:00.230 --> 00:48:02.210 don't work for Evan Korn. I couldn't tell you 00:48:02.210 --> 00:48:05.059 that. If I were you, I would send a message to 00:48:05.059 --> 00:48:07.079 Evan Korn and ask Evan Korn when we get an announcement 00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:10.239 this year. You can save it for his files. All 00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:14.099 right. Of all the people here, I am going to 00:48:14.099 --> 00:48:16.480 own this premium subscription. I'm just curious 00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:18.000 if I'll be watching Top Ring on it. That's what 00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:21.400 I'm curious. Yeah. Hey, listen. All I know is 00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:25.219 we could now see Tenshin Nasukawa versus Takuma 00:48:25.219 --> 00:48:28.219 Inoue for free in the U .S. And we could see 00:48:28.219 --> 00:48:31.559 Raphael Espinosa versus Anika Gai for free in 00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:34.349 the U .S. That's all I know. This is true. This 00:48:34.349 --> 00:48:38.769 is true. All right. Next topic we have here for 00:48:38.769 --> 00:48:41.730 the week is the UFC being under federal investigation 00:48:41.730 --> 00:48:44.969 for a betting scandal. Reports of multiple fights 00:48:44.969 --> 00:48:48.409 being fixed throughout the year. So we're seeing 00:48:48.409 --> 00:48:51.429 that they're being investigated for fight fixing 00:48:51.429 --> 00:48:53.730 TKO, UFC's parent company. You know, they're 00:48:53.730 --> 00:48:55.909 planning on getting into boxing here in 2026. 00:48:56.800 --> 00:49:00.440 What are your thoughts on, one, the overall story 00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:03.840 and how it could impact their move into boxing? 00:49:05.139 --> 00:49:08.679 You're the UFC guy, Ezra. Take it away. This 00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:11.539 isn't the first betting scandal they've had in 00:49:11.539 --> 00:49:13.980 the sport. What's the guy's first? I know it's 00:49:13.980 --> 00:49:16.000 Kraus, but what's his first? James Kraus was 00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:19.300 a trainer who was giving insider information 00:49:19.300 --> 00:49:22.579 and getting paid for it to a group chat where 00:49:22.579 --> 00:49:24.800 he was doing betting. And then there was speculation 00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:26.960 that even some of his fighters, Through fights. 00:49:29.739 --> 00:49:34.699 Hold on. You don't have a mute option? My bad, 00:49:34.699 --> 00:49:39.739 Joe. I apologize. This isn't the first time this 00:49:39.739 --> 00:49:43.639 happened. When boxing, throwing a fight and taking 00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:45.599 a dive, I think it's a little bit harder in boxing 00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:47.539 because you got to act out the punch and the 00:49:47.539 --> 00:49:50.099 thing. It never looks great. Every

time you've 00:49:50.099 --> 00:49:52.500 seen an obvious dive, it looks like an obvious 00:49:52.500 --> 00:49:55.760 dive. In MMA, it's a lot easier because the grappling. 00:49:56.449 --> 00:49:59.409 The grappling, you can go to the ground and give 00:49:59.409 --> 00:50:01.530 up a spot and really to the untrained eye, they 00:50:01.530 --> 00:50:03.510 probably won't even see it, right? It just looked 00:50:03.510 --> 00:50:05.969 like he got tapped out. Well, not only that, 00:50:06.090 --> 00:50:09.010 if someone takes you to the ground in MMA, it 00:50:09.010 --> 00:50:10.809 doesn't hurt as much as being punched in the 00:50:10.809 --> 00:50:13.570 face. So you could take me to the ground for 00:50:13.570 --> 00:50:16.090 real and then get your little hold on and I'll 00:50:16.090 --> 00:50:18.780 tap out. Exactly, exactly. There's always a spot 00:50:18.780 --> 00:50:20.239 where you get tapped out. And people, like I 00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:22.360 said, I could go in the jiu -jitsu gym right 00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:24.699 now and give up a spot. And sometimes people 00:50:24.699 --> 00:50:26.500 would just be like, does he just not know how 00:50:26.500 --> 00:50:29.500 to protect that spot? Or is it really impossible 00:50:29.500 --> 00:50:31.260 to tell? It really is. It's really hard to tell. 00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:36.079 Now, do I think, how far is this going to go 00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:38.380 to hurt the sport? They're in good graces with 00:50:38.380 --> 00:50:41.659 the people that are investigating it. So I don't 00:50:41.659 --> 00:50:43.000 know that it's going to be like an all -on attack 00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:45.219 on it. I think that people, for the most part, 00:50:45.260 --> 00:50:47.219 they're going to say. We got out the guys that 00:50:47.219 --> 00:50:48.460 did it and we don't have to worry about that 00:50:48.460 --> 00:50:52.440 going forward. As far as that and as far as getting 00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:55.000 into boxing, I don't think it's obvious that 00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:57.380 it's not the UFC doing it. It's the fighters 00:50:57.380 --> 00:50:59.539 doing it. And I said it's harder to do in boxing. 00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:00.820 I'm just going to tell you right now, it's harder 00:51:00.820 --> 00:51:02.940 to take dives in boxing because it's easier to 00:51:02.940 --> 00:51:06.219 see. It's harder to act out these punches and 00:51:06.219 --> 00:51:08.880 stuff like that. So in MMA, I think it's easier 00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:11.960 to do. Is there a chance that we're... see this 00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:13.400 more often? I don't know. I don't know. I don't 00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:14.340 know if these guys are going to keep taking the 00:51:14.340 --> 00:51:16.840 chances if they see that people are on it. This 00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:18.260 isn't the first time they've had this problem. 00:51:18.460 --> 00:51:21.760 We will continue to see this in UFC. We will 00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:24.039 continue to see

this in UFC. And guess what? 00:51:24.380 --> 00:51:26.719 We're going to see this in Zephyr Boxing also. 00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:31.500 You know why? Because of the pay scale. Because 00:51:31.500 --> 00:51:34.800 of the pay scale. These guys are not making that 00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:36.179 much money, so if they can make a little bit 00:51:36.179 --> 00:51:38.480 of extra money by taking a dive, they're going 00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:41.659 to take a fucking dive. You'll never see Canelo 00:51:41.659 --> 00:51:45.480 Alvarez or Terrence Crawford or Errol Spence 00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:48.019 or one of these guys take a dive. Because first 00:51:48.019 --> 00:51:50.619 of all, boxers are way too prideful and they 00:51:50.619 --> 00:51:53.820 make too much money. But these UFC guys who are 00:51:53.820 --> 00:51:57.199 basically, if they don't fight for a few months, 00:51:57.360 --> 00:51:59.900 they're in line at the soup kitchen. Of course 00:51:59.900 --> 00:52:01.820 they're going to take a dive. Of course they're 00:52:01.820 --> 00:52:04.280 going to give away inside information. Of course 00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:07.780 they might carry a fighter more rounds. I think 00:52:07.780 --> 00:52:10.920 we should be very concerned with this move into 00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:16.150 boxing because I was listening to... The TKO 00:52:16.150 --> 00:52:19.429 earnings call this past week, and they said that 00:52:19.429 --> 00:52:22.909 they're expecting to see the same margins in 00:52:22.909 --> 00:52:26.469 Zufa boxing that they have with UFC. So if you're 00:52:26.469 --> 00:52:28.809 going to be seeing the same margins, what does 00:52:28.809 --> 00:52:32.369 that mean? You run a business, Ezra. What's your 00:52:32.369 --> 00:52:38.170 biggest cost? Labor. Exactly. Control the labor, 00:52:38.389 --> 00:52:42.210 control the cost, control the profit. They are 00:52:42.210 --> 00:52:45.849 going to - Screw over the labor. And that is 00:52:45.849 --> 00:52:50.170 going to make guys more susceptible to get caught 00:52:50.170 --> 00:52:54.190 up into these gambling scandals. Yeah, I think 00:52:54.190 --> 00:52:56.429 that's a great point. I mean, that's what opens 00:52:56.429 --> 00:52:58.250 it up, right? I don't think I'm misquoting it. 00:52:58.289 --> 00:52:59.849 So we're not going to get the finger poke of 00:52:59.849 --> 00:53:03.050 doom again? It was like five people talking at 00:53:03.050 --> 00:53:07.550 once. I didn't hear you. Beezy, you go. I said, 00:53:07.610 --> 00:53:09.429 so we're not going to get the finger poke of 00:53:09.429 --> 00:53:15.820 doom again? Nah, come on. And Matt, I was just 00:53:15.820 --> 00:53:17.599 speaking to your point. I believe the number 00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:20.539 is 12 % of the UFC's revenue is fighter pay. 00:53:21.219 --> 00:53:25.019 Come on, come on. Hey, Ezra, you would kill for 00:53:25.019 --> 00:53:29.440 that kind of margin in your business. I'd be 00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:33.219 in a different room right now. I wouldn't be 00:53:33.219 --> 00:53:35.340 flying Spirit to San Antonio, I'll tell you that 00:53:35.340 --> 00:53:38.440 right now. Hey, Matt. Oh, my God. I love the 00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:40.059 point you made, man, because I never thought 00:53:40.059 --> 00:53:43.119 of that. I always thought about what a dive in 00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:45.599 boxing or MMA, it just be like you get knocked 00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:47.719 out. I never thought. If I'm fighting a bum, 00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:49.860 I just carry him to the distance. It's plus money, 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:52.699 right? Yeah. I didn't think about that, man. 00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:55.219 Or the over -under nine and a half. I carry him 00:53:55.219 --> 00:53:57.219 to the 10th round, 11th round. Then knock him 00:53:57.219 --> 00:53:59.719 out. I've never thought about carrying a motherfucker. 00:53:59.960 --> 00:54:01.820 You know what I mean? Carry him. It's the easiest 00:54:01.820 --> 00:54:06.659 way to do it. I mean, what was it that promoted 00:54:06.659 --> 00:54:11.239 at Club Tibet in Canada for - But Yohannes Tejas, 00:54:11.420 --> 00:54:13.619 Yohannes Tejas. Yeah, Tejas was accused of this, 00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:17.380 of carrying a guy. Carrying a guy, yeah. But 00:54:17.380 --> 00:54:19.360 you'll never get boxes to take a dime because 00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:23.300 here's the thing. In boxing, if you lose, that 00:54:23.300 --> 00:54:26.340 hurts your marketability a lot. And that hurts 00:54:26.340 --> 00:54:28.739 your earning potential a lot. So you're not gonna 00:54:28.739 --> 00:54:31.980 see guys take a dime like that. And I'm not giving 00:54:31.980 --> 00:54:33.800 you a free shot to punch me in the face and knock 00:54:33.800 --> 00:54:39.380 me out. Hell no. Any other thoughts on this before 00:54:39.380 --> 00:54:41.119 we go on to the next topic? We spent a lot of 00:54:41.119 --> 00:54:43.079 time on the first one, so moving through these 00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:46.360 a little quicker makes sense. I mean, Ezra has 00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:51.320 a hard out again at one. All right, so next up, 00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:55.239 what are your thoughts on the Gervonta -Tank 00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:58.400 -Davis -Jake -Paul fight being canceled? And 00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:01.130 who should replace Tank, if anyone? Can I start 00:55:01.130 --> 00:55:04.190 on this, Matt? Whoever wants to start. Ezra, 00:55:04.230 --> 00:55:07.710 go for it. Tank's an idiot. And I'm going to 00:55:07.710 --> 00:55:10.489 tell you right now, there's one professional 00:55:10.489 --> 00:55:12.389 in there, and that was Jake Paul. And Jake Paul's 00:55:12.389 --> 00:55:14.829 continued, even though it's all mostly circus 00:55:14.829 --> 00:55:18.070 stuff, to be a professional. If Jake Paul signs 00:55:18.070 --> 00:55:21.130 a name on a deal, he gets there. Tank Davis is 00:55:21.130 --> 00:55:26.570 an unreliable person. I think he's dumb. I think...

00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:30.639 I don't think he's a good person. It doesn't 00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:32.579 sound like from things like that. This is a legend, 00:55:32.699 --> 00:55:34.679 but that doesn't sound like a good person. But 00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:37.300 I think that everyone looking at doing business 00:55:37.300 --> 00:55:39.820 with him going forward is going to be a little 00:55:39.820 --> 00:55:41.679 hesitant, be a lot more hesitant than they were 00:55:41.679 --> 00:55:43.960 before. I think that if you're going to replace 00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:46.860 someone for him, for Jake Paul, I think it's 00:55:46.860 --> 00:55:48.800 Francis Ngannou. I know that's crazy. I know 00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:51.179 people think that's insane, whatever. I think 00:55:51.179 --> 00:55:53.280 Jake Paul is going to take a beating from Tank. 00:55:54.059 --> 00:55:56.699 I think that he probably takes a beating from 00:55:56.699 --> 00:56:00.550 Ngannou, right? What? Yeah, I think it's our 00:56:00.550 --> 00:56:01.889 chance to beat him in the gondola, but I think 00:56:01.889 --> 00:56:04.010 that fight sells. I think that fight should be 00:56:04.010 --> 00:56:05.610 in the tank. I got to be honest with you. Ezra, 00:56:05.630 --> 00:56:08.610 I hate to break it to you. That fight won't go 00:56:08.610 --> 00:56:10.110 to where you think it's going to go. All right. 00:56:10.170 --> 00:56:14.090 Nick Paul will sleep Francis Ngannou. Man, man, 00:56:14.510 --> 00:56:16.289 I don't know about that. Nick Paul will sleep 00:56:16.289 --> 00:56:21.449 him. Are you kidding me? How long are you gonna 00:56:21.449 --> 00:56:23.650 fall for the MMA guy trick? Well, I'm just tired 00:56:23.650 --> 00:56:24.869 right now. First of all, I never fell for it. 00:56:24.909 --> 00:56:26.670 I always pick Jake Paul for solid MMA guys. So 00:56:26.670 --> 00:56:28.809 I never fell for that. But when I would say this, 00:56:29.150 --> 00:56:34.510 when you're fighting a Mike Perry, I get it, 00:56:34.510 --> 00:56:38.829 right? Mike Perry is a tough guy in MMA. Likes 00:56:38.829 --> 00:56:41.929 to throw his hands, but not really that good. 00:56:42.769 --> 00:56:46.309 Nagano, he really hits. He really can crack. 00:56:46.829 --> 00:56:48.929 He's not going to just fold to hit from Jake 00:56:48.929 --> 00:56:51.210 Paul. Jake Paul can land that right hand. He 00:56:51.210 --> 00:56:52.590 ain't going to fold Nagano. He's not Anthony 00:56:52.590 --> 00:56:56.570 Joshua. He's not going to fold Nagano. And Nagano's 00:56:56.570 --> 00:56:58.369 comfortable with the hands. He's not bad with 00:56:58.369 --> 00:57:00.269 the hands. He's not a fighter just like, oh, 00:57:00.269 --> 00:57:01.409 he doesn't know what he's doing. No, no, he's 00:57:01.409 --> 00:57:04.329 all right. He's all right. Bro, he's... that'd 00:57:04.329 --> 00:57:05.670 be a tough fight. I'll just say that, that'd 00:57:05.670 --> 00:57:07.130 be a tough fight for Jake. If Jake pulled that 00:57:07.130 --> 00:57:09.150 off, I'd give him a lot of credit. If he pulled 00:57:09.150 --> 00:57:11.090 that fight off. But I think that fight's huge. 00:57:11.269 --> 00:57:13.070 I think that if you make that fight, it's a really 00:57:13.070 --> 00:57:14.369 big fight. I think that that's something that 00:57:14.369 --> 00:57:16.389 Netflix would buy. I know people saying, they 00:57:16.389 --> 00:57:18.449 want to do a Netflix fight. And then they bring 00:57:18.449 --> 00:57:20.289 up Nate Diaz, Netflix is not going to buy a Nate 00:57:20.289 --> 00:57:21.909 Diaz fight. That already happened. They're not 00:57:21.909 --> 00:57:23.750 going to do that. A lot of these guys they brought 00:57:23.750 --> 00:57:26.110 up, Netflix is not going to buy it. They'll buy 00:57:26.110 --> 00:57:32.559 a Francis fight. Okay, wow. Francis Zagano will 00:57:32.559 --> 00:57:34.659 get slapped by Jake Hall. But what I will say 00:57:34.659 --> 00:57:36.480 about this tank situation. Bro, that's insane 00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:39.440 to say. That's insane to say. It really is. It's 00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:41.340 really insane to say. What I will say about this 00:57:41.340 --> 00:57:47.420 tank situation, I think the time has passed and 00:57:47.420 --> 00:57:49.860 the time has come and gone where you could rely 00:57:49.860 --> 00:57:54.980 on tank for anything. If he shows up, we'll have 00:57:54.980 --> 00:57:58.659 him. We'll watch him. Best of luck. But you can't 00:57:58.659 --> 00:58:02.699 build anything around him. You can't. Because 00:58:02.699 --> 00:58:07.219 he's too mercurial. He's too mercurial. You know, 00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:11.900 and maybe he needs to sit down. Sit down for 00:58:11.900 --> 00:58:14.719 a little while. Sit down for a year. Come back 00:58:14.719 --> 00:58:17.619 in a year. We'll see you in a year, Tank. Get 00:58:17.619 --> 00:58:20.639 your mind right. We'll see you in a year, man. 00:58:20.900 --> 00:58:25.139 But I'm done. Now, who's the replace, Tank? If 00:58:25.139 --> 00:58:31.760 I'm Jake Paul, I go with Roland Romero. Roley 00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:40.880 Romero, the sleep god himself. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 00:58:42.619 --> 00:58:48.119 Yeah, yeah. Now, Roley, he'll sleep Jake Paul. 00:58:50.019 --> 00:58:57.920 Okay? He'll sleep Jake Paul. Oh, man. Are you 00:58:57.920 --> 00:58:59.440 sure he's not going to sweep him for 12 rounds? 00:59:00.329 --> 00:59:01.989 How are you going to knock him out? I think Roley 00:59:01.989 --> 00:59:04.769 would knock out Francis Ngannou. What the hell 00:59:04.769 --> 00:59:06.530 is going on? What's happening right now? What's 00:59:06.530 --> 00:59:15.349 happening right now? Ty, you got something. Ezra, 00:59:15.389 --> 00:59:17.809 do you think Francis Ngannou is like 19 -year 00:59:17.809 --> 00:59:20.510 -old Mike Tyson? No, but bro, Francis Ngannou 00:59:20.510 --> 00:59:24.030 is 265 pounds. What are we doing here? This dude, 00:59:24.190 --> 00:59:28.570 he's a

heavyweight. Okay, whatever. I don't think 00:59:28.570 --> 00:59:29.920 he's like, oh. I don't think he's like a championship 00:59:29.920 --> 00:59:32.440 level boxer. Maybe not even contenders. I think 00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:34.219 he got friends. I think he got Tyson Fury with 00:59:34.219 --> 00:59:35.760 Tyson Fury, not thinking that fight was serious 00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:37.880 at all, not training at all, not in shape at 00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:39.500 all, but he was still good enough. Like, let 00:59:39.500 --> 00:59:41.900 me say something. Tyson Fury could, can fight 00:59:41.900 --> 00:59:44.000 a lot of guys, not be in shape, not take it seriously 00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:46.280 and smack him around the ring. Like this guy 00:59:46.280 --> 00:59:47.380 was good enough to be like, Hey, if you're going 00:59:47.380 --> 00:59:49.739 to really mess around, I'm going to be dangerous 00:59:49.739 --> 00:59:51.860 in here, bro. Let me tell you something now. 00:59:52.420 --> 00:59:55.369 Rolly Romero. He cannot hurt Francis Nagano. 00:59:55.469 --> 00:59:58.070 I'm sorry right now. Maybe I'll box him, move 00:59:58.070 --> 00:59:59.570 around the ring him, but he's not gonna hurt 00:59:59.570 --> 01:00:01.289 him. So he's not gonna knock him out. Jake Paul 01:00:01.289 --> 01:00:03.590 is not knocking out Francis Nagano. I'm sorry, 01:00:03.730 --> 01:00:06.469 he's not doing it. He's not doing it. I'm sorry. 01:00:06.929 --> 01:00:10.610 If I'm Jake, I'll fight Anthony Joshua. Bro, 01:00:10.670 --> 01:00:12.150 what are you trying to get him murdered? He's 01:00:12.150 --> 01:00:13.769 not gonna do that, okay? He's not gonna get murdered, 01:00:13.949 --> 01:00:15.750 okay? He's not gonna get murdered. You understand? 01:00:16.250 --> 01:00:18.190 The Francis fight, I think he'll lose, right? 01:00:18.289 --> 01:00:19.889 And then he gets knocked out, okay. But with 01:00:19.889 --> 01:00:21.869 Joshua, he don't make it out the first round. 01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:23.800 You do not make out the first round with Joshua. 01:00:24.219 --> 01:00:25.920 Joshua's gonna put you to sleep in a horrible 01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:28.340 way. You see what he did with Francis? He's gonna 01:00:28.340 --> 01:00:29.820 put you out in a horrible way, in a horrible 01:00:29.820 --> 01:00:38.519 fashion. Now, the thing with Tank and as Matt 01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:41.559 and I was out there for Tank's last fight and 01:00:41.559 --> 01:00:44.960 at the press conference for it. And we kind of 01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:47.159 like, well, at least I didn't realize at the 01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:49.739 time, but then they were pretty much like negotiating 01:00:49.739 --> 01:00:52.460 that whole thing with Jake Paul, right? So as 01:00:52.460 --> 01:00:56.679 far as what this current news is now, my thing 01:00:56.679 --> 01:01:01.039 is Jake's team should have known about that before 01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:04.239 going forward because he's had that past before. 01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:08.179 So whatever came out through the news or anything 01:01:08.179 --> 01:01:11.440 like that recently, that's happened before. So 01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:13.820 you already knew that risk coming into this. 01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:17.000 So once you make that decision, you pretty much 01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:19.940 made that risk, all right? The other thing is, 01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:23.619 according to, as they say, according to reports, 01:01:24.039 --> 01:01:30.440 one issue that may have been the little robot 01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:35.139 is that it's reported that Jake Paul wasn't close 01:01:35.139 --> 01:01:37.820 to making a contracted weight. That's the word 01:01:37.820 --> 01:01:40.659 on the street that I got, or some people have, 01:01:40.860 --> 01:01:44.280 right? So they're trying to scramble and say, 01:01:44.420 --> 01:01:47.179 hey, we can't get him to get to that weight, 01:01:47.300 --> 01:01:51.179 right? As far as this new date that they got, 01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:56.300 is Drake going to make it to that December 14th 01:01:56.300 --> 01:02:02.199 date, Sunday night? Maybe. Ngannou, possible. 01:02:03.300 --> 01:02:06.119 Someone else told me - Ngannou is scared of Jake 01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:09.440 Paul. He doesn't want to fight him. Ngannou is 01:02:09.440 --> 01:02:14.059 scared. What are we doing here? Man, I'm a - 01:02:14.699 --> 01:02:19.300 You know what, I'm gonna quit that. The dude 01:02:19.300 --> 01:02:24.840 was on Twitter making excuses. Is this respectful 01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:27.239 that you wanna fight me? Bro, who the fuck is 01:02:27.239 --> 01:02:30.619 this guy? Who are you in boxing, Francis Ngannou? 01:02:32.360 --> 01:02:34.880 You're disrespecting your favorite fighter by 01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:36.679 saying that. Because Francis Ngannou will get 01:02:36.679 --> 01:02:38.659 in the ring with Deontay Wilder. He'll get in 01:02:38.659 --> 01:02:41.679 the ring with Jake Paul. Francis Dugano is a 01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:43.840 guy that I think holds himself in high esteem. 01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:46.139 That's why when he fights a boxer, he wants to 01:02:46.139 --> 01:02:48.260 fight the top guy. When he fights MMA, he's trying 01:02:48.260 --> 01:02:49.920 to fight the top guy. I don't think he wants 01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:52.079 to get down to that level because he finds it 01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:54.659 embarrassing. Hold on, hold on, hold on. You 01:02:54.659 --> 01:02:56.179 admit that he doesn't want to fight Jake Paul. 01:02:56.360 --> 01:02:58.219 So you admit he doesn't want to fight Jake Paul. 01:02:58.460 --> 01:03:00.780 I think he thinks it might be below him. I'm 01:03:00.780 --> 01:03:04.039 not sure he's wrong about that. Hey, hey, hey, 01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:07.920 listen, listen. He's going to be below Jake Paul 01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:09.380 because he's going to be on the cameras while 01:03:09.380 --> 01:03:11.800 Jake Paul's standing above him. Crazy take.

But 01:03:11.800 --> 01:03:13.139 I want to say this, the one thing about what 01:03:13.139 --> 01:03:14.900 JB said about, and I've heard a few things like, 01:03:14.980 --> 01:03:16.699 oh, Jake Paul couldn't make weight. They weren't 01:03:16.699 --> 01:03:18.199 selling tickets. Who cares? No, no, no, no, no. 01:03:18.199 --> 01:03:19.840 Hold up. They weren't selling tickets or anything. 01:03:20.260 --> 01:03:22.159 Guys, I'm going to be honest with you. That's 01:03:22.159 --> 01:03:24.320 not what happened here, okay? Tank messed up 01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:26.400 the money. That's all that happened here. Tank 01:03:26.400 --> 01:03:28.400 messed up the money. They couldn't go forward 01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:30.440 with what they thought. They don't know if it's 01:03:30.440 --> 01:03:32.480 going to come out or not of the story. And that's 01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:34.400 it. That's just honest truth. It wasn't Jake 01:03:34.400 --> 01:03:36.179 Paul. Jake Paul was there, he was gonna fight. 01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:38.440 It wasn't ticket sales, they were gonna make 01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:40.519 a bunch of money from Netflix. Their viewership 01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:41.880 was gonna be insane, it was gonna pay off for 01:03:41.880 --> 01:03:45.440 Netflix. It's none of those things. The guy messed 01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:47.079 up the money. We didn't hear nothing canceling 01:03:47.079 --> 01:03:48.780 this fight until the one guy had the incident 01:03:48.780 --> 01:03:50.699 and it messed up the money. That's what it is 01:03:50.699 --> 01:03:52.219 with Tank. That's just honest truth. Ain't no 01:03:52.219 --> 01:03:55.119 one else to blame. It's the one guy, he allowed 01:03:55.119 --> 01:04:00.380 it to be the blame. As far as the - Go ahead. 01:04:00.619 --> 01:04:02.670 No, go ahead, go ahead. No, as far as the Nagano 01:04:02.670 --> 01:04:04.789 thing, I think the Nagano thing that's below 01:04:04.789 --> 01:04:09.050 him, whatever. If I was talking to Nagano about 01:04:09.050 --> 01:04:10.670 his career, I would say, hey, go take this guy 01:04:10.670 --> 01:04:13.570 out. I think it gets you right back in the limelight. 01:04:13.710 --> 01:04:15.789 I think it gets you the people talking about 01:04:15.789 --> 01:04:18.610 the UFC again, Jon Jones again, Aspinall again. 01:04:18.809 --> 01:04:20.570 And it gets you right here with the boxers because 01:04:20.570 --> 01:04:21.929 everybody's going to love you if you go take 01:04:21.929 --> 01:04:23.869 this guy out. If he's willing to step in the 01:04:23.869 --> 01:04:25.550 ring with you, you should go do it. If it's on 01:04:25.550 --> 01:04:27.650 Netflix - When was the last time I pressed Nagano 01:04:27.650 --> 01:04:30.610 even for it? The last time he fought was on PFL. 01:04:31.039 --> 01:04:33.480 It was over a year ago, I want to say. Come on, 01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:37.400 man. Nothing's beneath him. Come on. Come on. 01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:42.260 Look, I have a lot of respect for Nagano. I do. 01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:44.679 I have a lot of respect for Nagano. I think that 01:04:44.679 --> 01:04:47.539 this is a man that turned down a big UFC contract, 01:04:47.699 --> 01:04:49.880 maybe the biggest UFC contract, because he said, 01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:51.079 I want the fighters to get in the ring with me 01:04:51.079 --> 01:04:52.880 to make a million, too. They got to make a certain 01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:54.219 amount of money, too, the guys that step in the 01:04:54.219 --> 01:04:56.039 ring with me. I want these guys to have insurance 01:04:56.039 --> 01:04:57.139 to make sure they take care of the rest of their 01:04:57.139 --> 01:04:58.940 life. And because he didn't get that, he left. 01:04:59.420 --> 01:05:01.579 Okay, this is a guy that does stand for something. 01:05:02.539 --> 01:05:04.519 He's not a guy that just goes and does whatever 01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:06.840 just to make money. That's not really been him. 01:05:06.940 --> 01:05:11.699 It really isn't. It's never been him. Well, you 01:05:11.699 --> 01:05:15.840 know what? If he has the balls to step in the 01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:18.340 ring with Jake Paul, he'll be standing for that 01:05:18.340 --> 01:05:21.099 right hand and laying down for it. All right. 01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:26.440 Yeah, I have a request for the great producer 01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:30.380 of French boxing. If you can, please clip that 01:05:30.380 --> 01:05:34.239 rant from that about Francis Ngannou and just 01:05:34.239 --> 01:05:36.719 that last comment right there. I flagged it after 01:05:36.719 --> 01:05:38.380 you said you wanted to clip it, so I got you. 01:05:40.500 --> 01:05:42.519 I can't believe you got there and Francis Ngannou 01:05:42.519 --> 01:05:46.719 would beat Jake Paul. That's insane. That's fucking 01:05:46.719 --> 01:05:49.460 insane. Could Jake Paul win that fight? Yes. 01:05:49.500 --> 01:05:51.719 Would he knock out Francis Ngannou? I don't think 01:05:51.719 --> 01:05:56.539 so. Knock him the fuck out. Francis Ngannou would 01:05:56.539 --> 01:06:02.250 put Jake... Paul in the dirt. Bro, he can't box. 01:06:03.210 --> 01:06:05.190 He doesn't have to box. He just has to brawl 01:06:05.190 --> 01:06:08.550 him. He just has to be really aggressive. Okay. 01:06:09.130 --> 01:06:12.489 Okay. Jake Paul won't be able to take the shot 01:06:12.489 --> 01:06:16.550 from a 265 -pound Francis Ngannou, Matt. Listen, 01:06:17.130 --> 01:06:20.090 Francis Ngannou versus Jake Paul ends up with 01:06:20.090 --> 01:06:23.670 Francis Ngannou face down. That's how bad Jake 01:06:23.670 --> 01:06:25.429 Paul is. This conversation we're having is why 01:06:25.429 --> 01:06:28.250 this fight would do astronomical numbers. Like, 01:06:28.250 --> 01:06:31.530 this is what my Netflix needs. All right. So 01:06:31.530 --> 01:06:33.869 we're trying to set a record for how many times 01:06:33.869 --> 01:06:35.909 we can talk about the same topic in consecutive

01:06:35.909 --> 01:06:38.690 weeks. Matt, what's the latest on Teofimo Lopez 01:06:38.690 --> 01:06:46.110 versus Shakur? It's a done deal. All right. It's 01:06:46.110 --> 01:06:48.150 a done deal. I've heard that before. We have 01:06:48.150 --> 01:06:52.730 a date for it. January 31st. Oh, wow. Madison 01:06:52.730 --> 01:06:56.420 Square Garden. Oh, wow. It's a done deal. And 01:06:56.420 --> 01:06:57.820 I got it covered on my premium subscription? 01:07:01.619 --> 01:07:03.920 That's a good question. According to the rundown, 01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:05.559 this is the part I didn't read, the belt would 01:07:05.559 --> 01:07:09.099 be a DAZN pay -per -view. That's what I'm saying. 01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:11.039 Is this my premium subscription or is this a 01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:13.179 super pay -per -view? You just got to pay 30 01:07:13.179 --> 01:07:16.079 bucks more. Come on now. They're not going to 01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:18.800 do that. Even DAZN won't do that. All right. 01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:22.909 We shall see. We shall see. We've talked about 01:07:22.909 --> 01:07:24.250 this fight enough. We don't think we need to 01:07:24.250 --> 01:07:26.289 spend a lot of time on it. So next up, what we're 01:07:26.289 --> 01:07:29.170 hearing is a grudge match in 2026 between Jamal 01:07:29.170 --> 01:07:31.150 Charlo and Caleb Plant. Ezra, let's go to you 01:07:31.150 --> 01:07:32.190 first. What are your thoughts on this fight? 01:07:33.590 --> 01:07:34.949 Like I said, I don't think a lot of these guys 01:07:34.949 --> 01:07:37.190 have a lot left in their career. At this point, 01:07:37.309 --> 01:07:40.030 you might as well just make this fight. I thought 01:07:40.030 --> 01:07:43.210 Jamal Charlo would fight Armendez. I was hoping 01:07:43.210 --> 01:07:44.610 he would kind of do that to kind of like, that's 01:07:44.610 --> 01:07:46.630 like a perfect fight to legitimize. Resendez. 01:07:47.349 --> 01:07:53.119 Resendez. Yeah. Resendez. Last name. That's exactly 01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:55.059 what I did. Maybe you should go with that. But 01:07:55.059 --> 01:07:58.059 that was a fight to me to legitimize that he's 01:07:58.059 --> 01:07:59.860 back, right? That he's really going to contend 01:07:59.860 --> 01:08:01.840 for titles and watch serious fights. But the 01:08:01.840 --> 01:08:03.519 kid at the plant, like I said, he looks way past 01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:07.480 it from last time I saw him. And I think that, 01:08:07.539 --> 01:08:09.880 you know, like I said, the fight has name notoriety, 01:08:10.019 --> 01:08:14.059 has a thing to build on, the slap. And that works. 01:08:14.300 --> 01:08:16.699 So I'm not mad at it. I get it. But I thought, 01:08:16.720 --> 01:08:19.109 Jamal, if I was... Pointing him might go a different 01:08:19.109 --> 01:08:21.750 point of his career, go a different spot. Well, 01:08:21.810 --> 01:08:24.170 I think Jamal Chawla has a lot left to give. 01:08:24.390 --> 01:08:27.170 Okay. And he's going to

give some of that to 01:08:27.170 --> 01:08:30.510 Caleb Plant. I think Jamal stops him. And one 01:08:30.510 --> 01:08:33.770 thing I don't like about Caleb Plant is he's 01:08:33.770 --> 01:08:36.810 getting another new trainer. You never want to 01:08:36.810 --> 01:08:39.489 go into a big fight with a new trainer. I think 01:08:39.489 --> 01:08:42.210 that that is always a recipe for disaster because 01:08:42.210 --> 01:08:44.449 I feel like it takes - a couple fights before 01:08:44.449 --> 01:08:46.789 you get acclimated to that trainer and you have 01:08:46.789 --> 01:08:49.390 a nice little rapport on what he needs you to 01:08:49.390 --> 01:08:52.430 do and stuff like that. So I want to see the 01:08:52.430 --> 01:08:56.409 fight next. And I think that that fight would 01:08:56.409 --> 01:09:04.029 be a nice pay -per -view event. Maybe hopefully 01:09:04.029 --> 01:09:06.770 it's thrown on my premium subscription. Now, 01:09:06.850 --> 01:09:09.729 let me tell you something. Signs at the end, 01:09:09.850 --> 01:09:11.489 we already know it at training at the beach. 01:09:11.649 --> 01:09:14.670 Becoming a trainer yourself, switching your trainers 01:09:14.670 --> 01:09:16.569 after every loss because you have to blame the 01:09:16.569 --> 01:09:18.649 trainer. You can't take the, you know, you're 01:09:18.649 --> 01:09:20.510 just slowing down a little bit. That's a sign 01:09:20.510 --> 01:09:22.310 to the end. I tell you right now, this might 01:09:22.310 --> 01:09:25.829 look ugly for Plant in this fight. BZ, you got 01:09:25.829 --> 01:09:29.649 anything to say on this fight? Yeah, I'm leaning 01:09:29.649 --> 01:09:33.029 towards Jamal Charlo for the win. I mean, I saw 01:09:33.029 --> 01:09:35.649 a lot there from Caleb Plant in his fight against 01:09:35.649 --> 01:09:37.989 Armando Resendiz. There was like some moments 01:09:37.989 --> 01:09:39.750 there late in the fight where it looked like 01:09:39.750 --> 01:09:42.569 Resendiz could have stopped Caleb Plant, actually. 01:09:43.880 --> 01:09:46.739 And that kind of says that there's not that much 01:09:46.739 --> 01:09:48.899 behind the punch there for Caleb Plant right 01:09:48.899 --> 01:09:52.319 now. And I don't know if it's something with 01:09:52.319 --> 01:09:55.579 conditioning or whatever it is. He had a little 01:09:55.579 --> 01:09:58.880 bit of issue with that too. And changing trainers 01:09:58.880 --> 01:10:01.859 here at this point in his career, it might not 01:10:01.859 --> 01:10:05.619 be a good look. He's got his ass kicked. But 01:10:05.619 --> 01:10:08.420 you know what? To me, this is the one fight in 01:10:08.420 --> 01:10:11.189 boxing that does not need any buildup. We all 01:10:11.189 --> 01:10:13.949 sort of slap her around the world. They need 01:10:13.949 --> 01:10:16.710 to see each other. We all want to see it, you 01:10:16.710 --> 01:10:19.250 know. And when Huey gets into the next fight, 01:10:19.449 --> 01:10:22.250 you'll see how it all links

up. Go ahead, Huey. 01:10:22.430 --> 01:10:24.710 Absolutely. So the next bout we have is between 01:10:24.710 --> 01:10:27.310 Hector Berlanga and Armando Resendez being a 01:10:27.310 --> 01:10:31.590 PBC bout. Do we think that PBC could rehab Berlanga's 01:10:31.590 --> 01:10:35.420 career? No, but they could get some money out 01:10:35.420 --> 01:10:39.060 of it. Ezra did the real -life Magic Johnson 01:10:39.060 --> 01:10:44.060 meme. I ain't going to be here. It's like the 01:10:44.060 --> 01:10:45.300 toothpaste. You know when you start rolling up 01:10:45.300 --> 01:10:47.220 the toothpaste to make sure you get all of it 01:10:47.220 --> 01:10:49.159 out of it? That's what they're doing with Berlinga 01:10:49.159 --> 01:10:51.239 right now. Make sure they get all the juice out 01:10:51.239 --> 01:10:55.859 that they can. Yeah, look, Berlinga's not going 01:10:55.859 --> 01:10:58.649 to win that fight. It's a fun fight. Style -wise, 01:10:58.770 --> 01:11:00.949 it's going to be fun. It's going to be a nice 01:11:00.949 --> 01:11:03.069 little build -up, I think, to it. But yeah, Presentes 01:11:03.069 --> 01:11:04.310 is going to win that fight. It's going to be 01:11:04.310 --> 01:11:06.130 too much for Berlinga. Berlinga is coming off 01:11:06.130 --> 01:11:09.449 of getting just an obvious beatdown. Respect 01:11:09.449 --> 01:11:11.090 to him to get him back in there with a guy that's 01:11:11.090 --> 01:11:13.710 a serious guy. Not doing the tune -up route or 01:11:13.710 --> 01:11:15.130 anything like that. Getting in there with a serious 01:11:15.130 --> 01:11:17.550 guy. It makes sense. If he were to pull off this 01:11:17.550 --> 01:11:19.649 fight and he can fight the winner of Charlo Plant, 01:11:19.850 --> 01:11:21.810 that's good business. But maybe we get to the 01:11:21.810 --> 01:11:23.529 spot where I want to be, Charlo versus Presentes. 01:11:23.789 --> 01:11:27.050 So I think this is... Good story building. This 01:11:27.050 --> 01:11:30.449 is good matchmaking. And we go from there. Excellent 01:11:30.449 --> 01:11:34.170 story building. Excellent matchmaking. Huey, 01:11:34.170 --> 01:11:44.430 hit my music. Hey, listen. Word on the street 01:11:44.430 --> 01:11:50.260 is that if all goes to plan. These two fights 01:11:50.260 --> 01:11:54.119 will be on the same card, and the winners will 01:11:54.119 --> 01:11:59.539 face off against each other. Now, if that happens, 01:11:59.840 --> 01:12:02.720 I'm rooting for Charlo, and I'm rooting for Belanga. 01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:06.779 That's what I need. Oh, come on, man. The genius 01:12:06.779 --> 01:12:09.439 in that, too, is the build -up. All these guys 01:12:09.439 --> 01:12:10.920 are going to talk trash to each other. That's 01:12:10.920 --> 01:12:12.899 the genius of it. It's like you get those four 01:12:12.899 --> 01:12:16.220 guys on a stage together, everyone's going to 01:12:16.220 --> 01:12:19.210 be talking trash to each other. This is perfect 01:12:19.210

--> 01:12:20.909 build -up to me. That's good. That's good stuff. 01:12:21.010 --> 01:12:25.789 Yeah, and everybody hates Berlanga. Oh, shit. 01:12:28.689 --> 01:12:30.390 Charlo and Berlanga, I get why Matt would want 01:12:30.390 --> 01:12:32.210 that. That's an entertaining build -up. It's 01:12:32.210 --> 01:12:35.550 probably a good fight. No, you know, Huey, I 01:12:35.550 --> 01:12:37.069 got to tell you, I don't like the tone of your 01:12:37.069 --> 01:12:42.560 voice right now. No, no, no. Hold on. What? I 01:12:42.560 --> 01:12:44.739 think the better outcome would be for Charlo 01:12:44.739 --> 01:12:46.680 and Resendez to win. You would have them match 01:12:46.680 --> 01:12:48.359 up, and then you can get that Plant Berlanga 01:12:48.359 --> 01:12:50.380 match up as well because they have history, and 01:12:50.380 --> 01:12:51.880 they've been talking a lot about fighting, too. 01:12:53.439 --> 01:12:58.800 Hey, listen. Hey, what did I say last week? PBC's 01:12:58.800 --> 01:13:00.460 playing Moneyball. Let me tell you, they're making 01:13:00.460 --> 01:13:02.180 some interesting moves out here. They are making 01:13:02.180 --> 01:13:05.979 some interesting moves out here. Hey, let me 01:13:05.979 --> 01:13:07.460 tell you something about Canada Plant's career. 01:13:08.260 --> 01:13:10.939 I don't know if you guys are horse racing fans. 01:13:11.710 --> 01:13:14.369 But if Caleb's playing career was horse racing, 01:13:14.590 --> 01:13:20.569 and down the stretch they come. It's almost over. 01:13:21.109 --> 01:13:23.289 It's almost over. I thought it was over. I thought 01:13:23.289 --> 01:13:31.789 it was over. It's almost over. You might be saying 01:13:31.789 --> 01:13:34.770 the same thing for Berlanga, especially if Armando 01:13:34.770 --> 01:13:38.630 Resendiz or Armandiz will put Berlanga in the 01:13:38.630 --> 01:13:41.750 dirt. I don't think that fight is going to go 01:13:41.750 --> 01:13:43.170 to me. I think it's going to go hard. I think 01:13:43.170 --> 01:13:46.590 Berlanga beats him. Resendez might be a star 01:13:46.590 --> 01:13:49.449 at the end of this. Honestly, playing Berlanga 01:13:49.449 --> 01:13:51.670 and if he gets Charlo, might be a star at the 01:13:51.670 --> 01:13:56.010 end of this. This is quite a little move he could 01:13:56.010 --> 01:13:59.810 make. A little run he could go on. Matt, you 01:13:59.810 --> 01:14:01.789 got anything to put a bow on this before the 01:14:01.789 --> 01:14:05.850 next topic? Yeah. I'm looking forward to it. 01:14:05.949 --> 01:14:08.050 I hope it all gets finalized. My best guess, 01:14:08.130 --> 01:14:10.710 and this is just... This is just me spitballing. 01:14:10.909 --> 01:14:13.710 I think that if this fight gets finalized, both 01:14:13.710 --> 01:14:17.409 of them, that it'll happen in April on the same 01:14:17.409 --> 01:14:21.090 card. Yeah, I think it'll happen in April on 01:14:21.090 --> 01:14:23.470 the same card. And then you'll probably go from

01:14:23.470 --> 01:14:27.130 like April to October or April to September with 01:14:27.130 --> 01:14:29.670 the winners. That's good stuff. That's good stuff. 01:14:29.810 --> 01:14:31.350 And like I said, put the losers against each 01:14:31.350 --> 01:14:32.970 other. That was a good idea. Put the losers against 01:14:32.970 --> 01:14:36.300 each other. Good stuff, you. Next up, Artur Betterbeev 01:14:36.300 --> 01:14:38.960 is in negotiations with IBA Pro. I am a bee -balled 01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:40.680 out in Russia. What are our thoughts on this? 01:14:40.760 --> 01:14:43.779 Ezra, you go first. You know, Ty said, if we 01:14:43.779 --> 01:14:46.060 went for Turkey, we wouldn't have got Bavold 01:14:46.060 --> 01:14:48.479 Bechebev. Apparently not. You know what I mean? 01:14:48.600 --> 01:14:50.380 Apparently not. Apparently we get it with another 01:14:50.380 --> 01:14:51.800 promoter right here. We're going to get another 01:14:51.800 --> 01:14:55.479 promoter right here. I don't know. Like I said, 01:14:55.579 --> 01:14:59.710 Bavold Bechebev. Both fights I've really enjoyed. 01:14:59.949 --> 01:15:01.829 If they make a third one, I'm not going to complain, 01:15:01.989 --> 01:15:04.729 but I really want to see Benavidez get one of 01:15:04.729 --> 01:15:06.850 these guys. So we'll see how that plays out. 01:15:08.270 --> 01:15:11.109 Yeah, I think if they do a fight, they need to 01:15:11.109 --> 01:15:14.670 do this fight by March for the latest. Let's 01:15:14.670 --> 01:15:17.310 get this fight done. Dimitri Bivol obviously 01:15:17.310 --> 01:15:19.890 is out of traction right now. He's walking upright. 01:15:20.390 --> 01:15:24.109 So let's get this fight done. I heard that... 01:15:24.300 --> 01:15:26.699 That was the reason why the Dion Nicholson fight 01:15:26.699 --> 01:15:28.539 got canceled. Remember, Viterbo was supposed 01:15:28.539 --> 01:15:30.939 to be fighting in two weeks. And then you heard 01:15:30.939 --> 01:15:33.300 speculation that Top Rank pulled him from the 01:15:33.300 --> 01:15:37.500 card. And it turns out he wasn't even with Top 01:15:37.500 --> 01:15:43.479 Rank no more. So it's just interesting how that 01:15:43.479 --> 01:15:49.840 goes. IBA CEO, President Al Siesta, he's very 01:15:49.840 --> 01:15:52.909 interested in making the fight. He wants to make 01:15:52.909 --> 01:15:56.909 the fight in Russia, probably Moscow. And I hope 01:15:56.909 --> 01:15:58.470 he can get it over the finish line. This would 01:15:58.470 --> 01:16:01.689 be a huge event, a huge event in boxing. And 01:16:01.689 --> 01:16:03.649 you might actually have people show up to watch 01:16:03.649 --> 01:16:06.109 them fight this time. That's crazy. A guy from 01:16:06.109 --> 01:16:08.510 Canada and a guy from Oxnard in Russia. Who would 01:16:08.510 --> 01:16:13.869 have thought? In Russia. Oh, man. You got anything 01:16:13.869 --> 01:16:19.579 to say on this? Hey, you know. As they say, man, 01:16:19.659 --> 01:16:22.579 the

third fight between the two hopefully leads 01:16:22.579 --> 01:16:30.199 to the winner facing David Benavidez after this 01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:34.380 November 22nd fight. Benavidez, of course, mentioned 01:16:34.380 --> 01:16:36.939 that he would be involved in these real season 01:16:36.939 --> 01:16:40.579 events for these next few fights. So after this 01:16:40.579 --> 01:16:42.579 fight with Yard, I don't know if he's going to 01:16:42.579 --> 01:16:45.340 get another fight in the interim while this one 01:16:45.340 --> 01:16:48.619 takes place. I guess it would kind of like do 01:16:48.619 --> 01:16:52.539 that in getting prepared for the winner. Maybe 01:16:52.539 --> 01:16:55.899 he will, but I have a feeling that David Benavidez 01:16:55.899 --> 01:16:59.460 will be back with PBC in time for Cinco de Mayo. 01:17:00.739 --> 01:17:04.180 Oh, wow. That's a good spot for him. I don't 01:17:04.180 --> 01:17:06.340 know who you'd fight, but. Yeah, it would be 01:17:06.340 --> 01:17:11.640 possible. Yeah. There's a matchup on Cinco de 01:17:11.640 --> 01:17:14.489 Mayo that I think makes a lot of sense. And that 01:17:14.489 --> 01:17:16.510 is Zerto. That is Zerto Ramirez. I think that 01:17:16.510 --> 01:17:18.409 if you could get that fight, think of the mile 01:17:18.409 --> 01:17:23.550 for Zerto. Did Zerto come down to 175 again? 01:17:24.050 --> 01:17:26.329 Come on, man. What are we doing here? I don't 01:17:26.329 --> 01:17:29.529 want Benavidez going up. Going up? You know, 01:17:30.869 --> 01:17:33.670 I'm just saying, he's got to get creative. If 01:17:33.670 --> 01:17:35.109 he's not going to get below Benavidez, that way 01:17:35.109 --> 01:17:37.420 you got to start getting creative. Bro, once 01:17:37.420 --> 01:17:39.460 Benavidez goes up, he's not coming back down. 01:17:40.020 --> 01:17:42.939 That's fine. Then you could eschew the Baterbiev 01:17:42.939 --> 01:17:45.199 or Bavol fights forever. No, maybe they'll go 01:17:45.199 --> 01:17:49.819 up. Money happens to make people do interesting 01:17:49.819 --> 01:17:53.140 things. Okay, okay. All right. Hey, listen, they 01:17:53.140 --> 01:17:55.060 offered all that money to Canelo to fight Benavidez, 01:17:55.119 --> 01:17:57.500 and he still didn't want to do it. That's because 01:17:57.500 --> 01:17:59.779 he had too much money. That's because he had 01:17:59.779 --> 01:18:03.609 too much money, though. All right, so... This 01:18:03.609 --> 01:18:06.449 week we had the PBC virtual press conference 01:18:06.449 --> 01:18:11.670 for the upcoming card here, including Ramos Jr., 01:18:11.670 --> 01:18:14.130 Mosley Jr., but most importantly. December 6th. 01:18:14.229 --> 01:18:18.590 December 6th. The December 6th card. And most 01:18:18.590 --> 01:18:22.109 importantly here, though, we had some moments 01:18:22.109 --> 01:18:25.430 between Stephen Fulton and Oshaki Foster started 01:18:25.430 --> 01:18:28.869 by our very own Matt Brown. We're going to cut 01:18:28.869 -->

01:18:31.149 to that clip now. Matt, do you want to set the 01:18:31.149 --> 01:18:35.789 stage? Well, listen, December 6th, live from 01:18:35.789 --> 01:18:41.130 Frost Bank, San Antonio, Texas, Oshaki Foster, 01:18:41.529 --> 01:18:44.430 Stephen Fulton, Ezra will be in the building. 01:18:44.829 --> 01:18:50.000 Play the damn clip. That Stephen Fulton had to 01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:54.279 move mountains to get this matchup on December 01:18:54.279 --> 01:18:59.279 6th. What happened with that? How did this fight 01:18:59.279 --> 01:19:04.590 come about on this date so soon? Because, I mean, 01:19:04.630 --> 01:19:08.170 honestly, moving mountains is crazy. It don't 01:19:08.170 --> 01:19:10.409 even make sense to me, honestly. The fight was 01:19:10.409 --> 01:19:12.729 being supposed to happen. It ain't like my purse 01:19:12.729 --> 01:19:15.630 got bigger or smaller. It's like, move mountains 01:19:15.630 --> 01:19:18.850 for what? The fight was already secured, you 01:19:18.850 --> 01:19:21.710 know, like, I don't really get it, you know. 01:19:22.720 --> 01:19:25.420 They're going to have to explain why. I made 01:19:25.420 --> 01:19:27.760 it happen on this date. Bro, I didn't need this. 01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:30.220 Bro, what was going to happen was, to be real 01:19:30.220 --> 01:19:32.619 with you, I was going to move on anyway. Like, 01:19:32.619 --> 01:19:34.840 if this ain't happen, so it ain't nobody making 01:19:34.840 --> 01:19:37.220 no accommodations for me, bro. I made it for 01:19:37.220 --> 01:19:40.279 myself. Well, say that for yourself. Say it for 01:19:40.279 --> 01:19:42.819 yourself, not for me. Not for me. Ain't nobody 01:19:42.819 --> 01:19:44.859 gave me no extra bread or nothing like that, 01:19:44.939 --> 01:19:47.739 bro. They're acting like accommodations. Because 01:19:47.739 --> 01:19:50.680 you're talking like you just made some shit happen, 01:19:50.760 --> 01:19:52.680 bro. You ain't made nothing happen. on this dick, 01:19:52.800 --> 01:19:54.659 bro. I made the fight happen on this dick. Well, 01:19:54.659 --> 01:19:57.020 I appreciate you, my G. But don't go on there 01:19:57.020 --> 01:19:59.899 talking like you just did some extra stuff for 01:19:59.899 --> 01:20:02.479 it. Like, come on, bro. When have I said something 01:20:02.479 --> 01:20:04.920 like I did some extra shit? Man, I'm talking 01:20:04.920 --> 01:20:09.399 about Pete, whatever, you know, man. I'm just 01:20:09.399 --> 01:20:11.659 letting y 'all know. Ain't nobody move mountains 01:20:11.659 --> 01:20:15.779 for nothing. Man, I'm just letting you know. 01:20:15.859 --> 01:20:17.119 I don't give a fuck what you're trying to hear. 01:20:17.300 --> 01:20:19.159 I don't care what you're trying to hear. I'm 01:20:19.159 --> 01:20:20.659 just letting you know. Ain't nobody move mountains 01:20:20.659 --> 01:20:24.239 for me, boy. Like, ain't nobody need that. Ain't 01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:27.250 nobody need that. I don't know what you... We

01:20:27.250 --> 01:20:29.489 made this happen, boy. We pushed for this fight 01:20:29.489 --> 01:20:31.869 to be before the end of the year. Let's be real. 01:20:32.069 --> 01:20:34.210 We pushed for this fight to be before the end 01:20:34.210 --> 01:20:36.430 of the year. Y 'all, you wanted to go to January 01:20:36.430 --> 01:20:39.609 and February, boy. Who the fuck I didn't want 01:20:39.609 --> 01:20:41.710 to go to January and February? That's not to 01:20:41.710 --> 01:20:42.949 tell you. I don't know what you're talking about, 01:20:43.010 --> 01:20:48.010 bro. You just be talking, bro. I'm in negotiations. 01:20:48.149 --> 01:20:50.289 I know what's going on. I ain't behind the scenes. 01:20:50.529 --> 01:20:53.350 They must be fucking lying to you. Ain't no way. 01:20:55.490 --> 01:20:57.170 Everybody already know. I ain't asking no January 01:20:57.170 --> 01:20:59.449 nor February. They was going to try to push it 01:20:59.449 --> 01:21:01.550 to January or February if it wasn't for me stepping 01:21:01.550 --> 01:21:03.630 the fuck up and keep making phone calls. I don't 01:21:03.630 --> 01:21:04.970 know what the fuck you did on your end, but I 01:21:04.970 --> 01:21:06.770 know what I did on my end. If it wasn't for you, 01:21:06.850 --> 01:21:08.449 bro. I know what I did on my end. I don't know 01:21:08.449 --> 01:21:10.289 what you did on your end. You so cool. I know 01:21:10.289 --> 01:21:11.550 what I did on my end, though. You got it cool, 01:21:11.649 --> 01:21:13.470 boy. I know what I did on my end. You feel me? 01:21:13.510 --> 01:21:15.010 I know what I did on my end, though. You got 01:21:15.010 --> 01:21:16.750 it cool, boy. I don't know what you did on your 01:21:16.750 --> 01:21:18.350 end to make this shit happen, but before you 01:21:18.350 --> 01:21:22.329 even say it, I was trying to make it happen January, 01:21:22.449 --> 01:21:25.029 February, and these niggas lying to you. Nobody 01:21:25.029 --> 01:21:26.550 wild as fuck when I try to push it for January, 01:21:26.569 --> 01:21:31.029 February. So you're the only one trying to push 01:21:31.029 --> 01:21:32.369 it to make this happen? I don't know what you 01:21:32.369 --> 01:21:35.270 did. I'm speaking up to my son. But you're speaking 01:21:35.270 --> 01:21:37.310 on me as if you know I was just trying to get 01:21:37.310 --> 01:21:38.989 a fight happening. I'm just letting y 'all know. 01:21:39.090 --> 01:21:40.689 I'm just letting you and everybody know. Ain't 01:21:40.689 --> 01:21:42.750 nobody move mountains for me, boy. Ain't nobody 01:21:42.750 --> 01:21:45.050 say move mountains for you. That's what I'm saying, 01:21:45.149 --> 01:21:48.510 bro. What are you talking about? You moved mountains 01:21:48.510 --> 01:21:50.409 for yourself to make this fight happen. For the 01:21:50.409 --> 01:21:54.260 car. For the fight to happen on this car. Oh, 01:21:54.260 --> 01:21:56.199 January, February, shit, bro. I ain't never been 01:21:56.199 --> 01:21:59.699 with them. Fuck, I need extra months for it. 01:21:59.739 --> 01:22:02.119 People need to be more specific when they say 01:22:02.119 --> 01:22:04.800 stuff. Nah, ain't nobody lying to me. People 01:22:04.800 --> 01:22:07.539 need me to be more specific when they say something. 01:22:07.880 --> 01:22:11.680 Yeah, but that ain't happening over here. That 01:22:11.680 --> 01:22:16.189 shit don't happen over here, bro. That is great 01:22:16.189 --> 01:22:19.109 stuff. That is great stuff. I'll be honest with 01:22:19.109 --> 01:22:21.170 you. These guys are still in that card. I got 01:22:21.170 --> 01:22:23.949 to be honest with you. These guys, we were talking 01:22:23.949 --> 01:22:27.489 about animosity. Generally, you want to see these 01:22:27.489 --> 01:22:29.909 guys in the ring fight each other. That's good 01:22:29.909 --> 01:22:32.329 stuff, man. You can't get better than that. I 01:22:32.329 --> 01:22:37.090 have a prediction. The weigh -in or press conference 01:22:37.090 --> 01:22:39.069 fight week is going to get physical between them. 01:22:39.630 --> 01:22:46.609 I think so. I think so. I cannot wait for that 01:22:46.609 --> 01:22:49.210 fight. That is going to be good stuff. Listen, 01:22:49.350 --> 01:22:53.590 man, I done got that refund for Miami. I actually 01:22:53.590 --> 01:22:58.869 had a question about that. But listen, if that 01:22:58.869 --> 01:23:01.649 didn't tell you that you can't miss that fight, 01:23:01.850 --> 01:23:05.350 I don't know what could. Ain't nobody move no 01:23:05.350 --> 01:23:13.760 mountains for me, boy. Oh, my God. I said this 01:23:13.760 --> 01:23:15.880 could have a potential to be like fight of the 01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:19.119 year, man. This buildup is like top notch, man. 01:23:19.260 --> 01:23:21.100 I'm telling you, ever since like that initial 01:23:21.100 --> 01:23:23.760 press conference, you know, it had like Oshaki 01:23:23.760 --> 01:23:26.920 had a chip on his shoulder to be like, yo, this 01:23:26.920 --> 01:23:31.140 ain't, you know. Fulton versus Foster, Foster 01:23:31.140 --> 01:23:33.500 versus Fulton. I'm the champ. I'm the defending 01:23:33.500 --> 01:23:36.979 champ up in here. Y 'all treat me like I'm second 01:23:36.979 --> 01:23:40.020 feeling something. I'm like, yo, he going in 01:23:40.020 --> 01:23:42.579 there like, hey, he got something to prove to 01:23:42.579 --> 01:23:45.300 everybody. So yeah, this is going to be a firefight, 01:23:45.600 --> 01:23:48.579 bro. I can't wait for it. I cannot wait for that 01:23:48.579 --> 01:23:53.289 fight. All right. Next up here, we have Xander 01:23:53.289 --> 01:23:56.470 Zayas hosting a press conference on November 01:23:56.470 --> 01:23:58.670 12th. He's going to announce his first title 01:23:58.670 --> 01:24:00.890 defense. It's going to happen in Puerto Rico. 01:24:02.130 --> 01:24:04.649 Reportedly, Matt, who is he going to face on 01:24:04.649 --> 01:24:08.149 this date? Well, reportedly, according

to the 01:24:08.149 --> 01:24:11.329 interwebs, he's going to be facing Abbas Barrao 01:24:11.329 --> 01:24:17.569 in a WBA -WBO unification bout. That's a great 01:24:17.569 --> 01:24:22.029 bite. I like the way Xander moves. Yeah, I like 01:24:22.029 --> 01:24:23.810 the way Xander moves. I've got to be honest with 01:24:23.810 --> 01:24:27.609 you. I like the way Xander moves. I don't know 01:24:27.609 --> 01:24:30.090 if I'm the highest on his ceiling on what he 01:24:30.090 --> 01:24:31.569 could be in the division or anything like that. 01:24:31.609 --> 01:24:33.210 I don't favor him against a lot of tough guys. 01:24:33.569 --> 01:24:36.590 But this is a dude that is really trying to find 01:24:36.590 --> 01:24:38.350 out who he is and really thinks he is that guy. 01:24:38.850 --> 01:24:41.130 And that's great. Like I said, they were not 01:24:41.130 --> 01:24:42.149 trying to give him this fight. They were trying 01:24:42.149 --> 01:24:43.949 to give him something that they felt was easier 01:24:43.949 --> 01:24:45.930 or something a little lesser. And he said no. 01:24:46.359 --> 01:24:48.159 And you got to respect that. Supposedly, they 01:24:48.159 --> 01:24:52.640 were trying to give him Giovanni Centelion. Yeah, 01:24:53.100 --> 01:24:56.359 Centelion. And not saying anything to Centelion. 01:24:56.380 --> 01:25:01.020 Like, he's a good fighter. Not good enough for 01:25:01.020 --> 01:25:03.800 you to know his name? Centelion, that's his name. 01:25:04.159 --> 01:25:07.960 Like I said, this is like Zayas. He's not playing 01:25:07.960 --> 01:25:09.800 around. He wants Fundor. I believe it. When he 01:25:09.800 --> 01:25:11.579 says, some guys say they want all these fights. 01:25:11.859 --> 01:25:13.939 I'm not really sure how much I mean it. How much 01:25:13.939 --> 01:25:16.039 they mean it. He means it. When he says he wants 01:25:16.039 --> 01:25:18.140 his fights, he wants his fights. This is good 01:25:18.140 --> 01:25:19.600 stuff. This is good stuff. This is stuff to get 01:25:19.600 --> 01:25:21.140 excited about. This is what we need in boxing. 01:25:21.279 --> 01:25:24.039 We need hungry guys like this in boxing. And 01:25:24.039 --> 01:25:28.899 this is good stuff. Well, not only that, I think 01:25:28.899 --> 01:25:34.960 it's very funny and ironic that when Xander Zayas 01:25:34.960 --> 01:25:40.079 wanted to fight Virgil Ortiz and Virgil or his 01:25:40.079 --> 01:25:43.600 team or whoever turned down Xander Zayas, Virgil 01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:46.449 said, get a belt, then come talk to me. Well, 01:25:46.489 --> 01:25:50.550 now he's fighting for two belts mere months later. 01:25:51.409 --> 01:25:55.029 And Virgil still hasn't fought for a belt yet. 01:25:55.310 --> 01:25:59.689 So I do find it's funny how sometimes in boxing, 01:25:59.989 --> 01:26:02.609 sometimes the rabbit got the gun and you're out 01:26:02.609 --> 01:26:05.390 here looking crazy. So now, hold on, hold on, 01:26:05.390 --> 01:26:08.619 because

when Xander Zayas - When he big bros 01:26:08.619 --> 01:26:11.680 or big boys, Virgil Ortiz, I don't want to hear 01:26:11.680 --> 01:26:13.760 nobody claiming that Xander Zayas is trying to 01:26:13.760 --> 01:26:16.640 duck Ortiz. No, it's just turnabout fair play. 01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:20.039 I got to be honest. We got to go for that Virgil. 01:26:20.319 --> 01:26:23.060 Same thing with Fundora. I mean, I've seen him 01:26:23.060 --> 01:26:26.439 at Fundora's fight. I've seen that there. He 01:26:26.439 --> 01:26:28.000 was calling him out. I mean, there's really no 01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:31.079 reason why we couldn't get that fight. Same thing. 01:26:31.119 --> 01:26:34.270 Like I'm saying, to me, I... I don't favor him 01:26:34.270 --> 01:26:35.649 in any of those fights. I gotta be honest with 01:26:35.649 --> 01:26:36.750 you. I don't favor him in either of those fights 01:26:36.750 --> 01:26:38.270 we're talking about. But he seems like the guy 01:26:38.270 --> 01:26:40.149 that wants him more than the other two guys talking. 01:26:40.369 --> 01:26:48.050 That's kind of odd. Well, I mean, given the situation, 01:26:48.329 --> 01:26:50.609 one, I think this is something for top rank, 01:26:50.710 --> 01:26:54.850 being able to make that move to get this unification. 01:26:55.310 --> 01:26:58.430 First style defense for both, and then unification. 01:27:00.109 --> 01:27:03.399 So that's one thing. Second, You know, on the 01:27:03.399 --> 01:27:07.840 thing with Zayas and Fandora, Fandora for the 01:27:07.840 --> 01:27:10.439 money, you know, with the Zoom rematch, I don't 01:27:10.439 --> 01:27:13.680 blame him for that. But, you know, Zayas, you 01:27:13.680 --> 01:27:15.319 know, wants to challenge himself. That's why 01:27:15.319 --> 01:27:18.399 he turned down the Santillón fight, you know. 01:27:18.520 --> 01:27:21.380 So now he's going up here against Abbas Barado. 01:27:21.920 --> 01:27:26.960 And the thing with Virgil Ortiz Jr., you know, 01:27:26.960 --> 01:27:29.979 it's an interesting situation because. On one 01:27:29.979 --> 01:27:32.340 end, they're saying after his fight that he had 01:27:32.340 --> 01:27:34.600 against Israel Majumov, we're going to take a 01:27:34.600 --> 01:27:38.760 break, take some time off, injure his hand and 01:27:38.760 --> 01:27:41.460 this and that. And then all of a sudden, now 01:27:41.460 --> 01:27:44.460 he's ready to challenge everybody. He's ready 01:27:44.460 --> 01:27:46.140 to challenge Xander. He's ready to challenge 01:27:46.140 --> 01:27:49.220 Boots. He's ready to challenge Sebastian Fandora 01:27:49.220 --> 01:27:53.560 as the WBC interim champ. But you said something 01:27:53.560 --> 01:27:56.159 completely different earlier. So I found that 01:27:56.159 --> 01:27:59.140 to be a real interesting situation. But for Xander, 01:27:59.260 --> 01:28:03.479 it'd be about 22, 23 years old. And to potentially 01:28:03.479 --> 01:28:06.520 be a unified champion, 154 pounds, that would 01:28:06.520 --> 01:28:08.859 be a really big move for him. And for top rank, 01:28:08.979 --> 01:28:12.500 they could really build him as far as being a 01:28:12.500 --> 01:28:14.920 star if he gets that done over in, well, they 01:28:14.920 --> 01:28:17.399 say reported it could be in Puerto Rico. Now, 01:28:17.420 --> 01:28:22.350 what do you make of people who are - Saying that 01:28:22.350 --> 01:28:25.649 Xander Zayas hasn't fought anybody or they're 01:28:25.649 --> 01:28:27.930 upset with his level of competition, even though 01:28:27.930 --> 01:28:29.729 he has a belt and he's fighting for another belt. 01:28:30.229 --> 01:28:31.909 I mean, he's fighting the guys that he can get 01:28:31.909 --> 01:28:34.189 in the ring. That's what I feel like about it. 01:28:34.609 --> 01:28:38.149 Yeah, that's one. I mean, he fought a former 01:28:38.149 --> 01:28:40.850 world champion, was able to get a winner over 01:28:40.850 --> 01:28:43.229 a former world champion, former WBO world champion 01:28:43.229 --> 01:28:47.729 at that. So, hey, I think as they say, they were 01:28:47.729 --> 01:28:50.229 building him up since when he was like 19 years 01:28:50.229 --> 01:28:55.750 old. Yeah, one thing I find interesting is if 01:28:55.750 --> 01:29:00.130 Xander Zayas would have fought Charles Conwell 01:29:00.130 --> 01:29:04.449 and beat Charles Conwell for the vacant WBO belt, 01:29:04.569 --> 01:29:08.829 and then he was about to fight Yohannes Tellez 01:29:08.829 --> 01:29:12.090 in the unification, would we be complaining about 01:29:12.090 --> 01:29:14.350 his competition? No, they would be really high 01:29:14.350 --> 01:29:18.250 on it. But is it his fault that Charles Conwell 01:29:18.250 --> 01:29:21.460 couldn't make it? No. I don't think he fights 01:29:21.460 --> 01:29:28.539 guys. You get in the ring. Yeah. Right. Wherever 01:29:28.539 --> 01:29:31.239 you get in the ring, he's going to get in the 01:29:31.239 --> 01:29:32.579 ring. And sometimes you got to believe it because 01:29:32.579 --> 01:29:35.020 they do it. And that's what we, listen, we all 01:29:35.020 --> 01:29:38.079 agree that one 54 is one of those divisions of 01:29:38.079 --> 01:29:40.300 boxing where we feel like anybody could be anybody. 01:29:40.779 --> 01:29:45.100 Exactly. So just mix and match. If Charles Conwell 01:29:45.100 --> 01:29:48.199 couldn't be the last man standing. Oh, well that's 01:29:48.199 --> 01:29:54.640 on him. It is what it is. Exactly. Now, Matt, 01:29:54.800 --> 01:29:58.640 we all know I got a hard out there. Can we get 01:29:58.640 --> 01:30:01.479 to the breakdown real quick for Virgil and Lubin 01:30:01.479 --> 01:30:04.300 tonight? We'll skip the last item in news and 01:30:04.300 --> 01:30:07.720 notes, Matt. We'll let you talk about that on 01:30:07.720 --> 01:30:09.960 your own. We'll go to the Ezra breakdown right 01:30:09.960 --> 01:30:13.060 now. Ezra, so Virgil, Ortiz, Erikson, Lubin happening 01:30:13.060 --> 01:30:16.899 tonight.

What do you got? It's similar to Wardley, 01:30:16.979 --> 01:30:19.119 Parker. It's on the main event tonight. Okay, 01:30:19.119 --> 01:30:20.460 it's all the main event, but it's a damn good 01:30:20.460 --> 01:30:22.039 main event. It's a damn good main event. I think 01:30:22.039 --> 01:30:24.500 if people, and myself maybe included, sometimes 01:30:24.500 --> 01:30:26.300 you get down on guys, you remember something 01:30:26.300 --> 01:30:28.539 in your image of Lubin, you know, all beating 01:30:28.539 --> 01:30:30.699 up against Pandora, right? You can't get that 01:30:30.699 --> 01:30:32.199 in your head. You think of Charbel knocking him 01:30:32.199 --> 01:30:33.819 out, and you think, oh, man, he might be done. 01:30:33.979 --> 01:30:36.079 But you know what? Lubin's been damn good outside 01:30:36.079 --> 01:30:38.100 of that. And I know that I'm one of the few guys 01:30:38.100 --> 01:30:39.720 that thinks he beat Jesus Ramos, but I think 01:30:39.720 --> 01:30:41.260 he beat Jesus Ramos. I think y 'all boxed Jesus 01:30:41.260 --> 01:30:43.779 Ramos. I really do. I think when it started, 01:30:43.779 --> 01:30:45.140 it was a little rough for him. But once he found 01:30:45.140 --> 01:30:46.979 the distance, he found the timing, and he started 01:30:46.979 --> 01:30:49.000 hitting him at distance. He looked damn good. 01:30:49.140 --> 01:30:51.079 He's also a southpaw, and he's fighting Virgil 01:30:51.079 --> 01:30:53.079 Ortiz, orthodox, and that's going to favor him 01:30:53.079 --> 01:30:55.539 in that matchup, right? Because Virgil Ortiz 01:30:55.539 --> 01:30:57.260 is going to have to come forward and get past 01:30:57.260 --> 01:30:59.739 that front foot. That's not easy. That does make 01:30:59.739 --> 01:31:01.640 it a little bit easier for Lubin to be able to 01:31:01.640 --> 01:31:03.659 keep distance and time, Virgil, as he comes in. 01:31:03.779 --> 01:31:06.119 Now, Virgil, as he stepped up in class, you got 01:31:06.119 --> 01:31:11.739 Bolchuk and you got Majumov. Although, you know, 01:31:11.760 --> 01:31:13.380 I think he won both those fights. At first, I 01:31:13.380 --> 01:31:15.680 wasn't sure about the Bolchuk fight, but then 01:31:15.680 --> 01:31:17.699 when I got to watch it, I thought he won. But 01:31:17.699 --> 01:31:21.199 I did feel the change of level in class. It wasn't 01:31:21.199 --> 01:31:23.760 to me like Boots versus Danny Onus where it felt 01:31:23.760 --> 01:31:25.340 like Boots was doing exactly what he did to everybody 01:31:25.340 --> 01:31:27.939 else. He did to a top -level guy. That's what 01:31:27.939 --> 01:31:29.560 it felt like to me. You know what I mean? But 01:31:29.560 --> 01:31:31.960 Virgil, I did kind of feel like, hey, this is 01:31:31.960 --> 01:31:33.720 a different level of class of fighters. And I 01:31:33.720 --> 01:31:35.340 kind of feel it. I could kind of feel it in this 01:31:35.340 --> 01:31:39.479 game. In this fight, it's obvious that Virgil's 01:31:39.479 -->

01:31:40.800 going to come forward. And it's obvious that 01:31:40.800 --> 01:31:42.680 Lubin's going to look to box. Lubin has not been 01:31:42.680 --> 01:31:45.739 as aggressive. And if you look at... Lubin's 01:31:45.739 --> 01:31:48.739 last fight against Holmes, it wasn't the most 01:31:48.739 --> 01:31:51.159 impressive performance. It didn't stand out to 01:31:51.159 --> 01:31:53.659 you, but also Holmes is a very negative fighter, 01:31:53.760 --> 01:31:56.119 a counterpuncher, and Lubin's more of a counterpuncher. 01:31:56.420 --> 01:31:58.060 Go back to Rommel's fight, though, that opened 01:31:58.060 --> 01:31:59.840 up Lubin's game because the guy was an aggressor. 01:31:59.920 --> 01:32:01.319 He's a batter just waiting for someone to pitch 01:32:01.319 --> 01:32:03.060 to him. That's what he's going to have tonight. 01:32:03.159 --> 01:32:05.359 He's going to have a guy pitching to him. Do 01:32:05.359 --> 01:32:06.699 you guys hear something in the background, or 01:32:06.699 --> 01:32:14.369 am I tripping? Okay, I must be tripping. And 01:32:14.369 --> 01:32:15.369 he's going to have his own pitcher in the book. 01:32:15.510 --> 01:32:16.909 He's going to be able to counterpunch. He's going 01:32:16.909 --> 01:32:18.369 to be able to pick his shots. That's where Lubin's 01:32:18.369 --> 01:32:20.270 at his best. I think he's going to open up his 01:32:20.270 --> 01:32:23.529 game, and he's going to be to do the stuff he's 01:32:23.529 --> 01:32:28.350 really good at. I still think that Virgil, pressure, 01:32:28.770 --> 01:32:32.350 his offense, and everything will weigh down Lubin 01:32:32.350 --> 01:32:34.670 over time. But I expect success from Lubin early. 01:32:35.010 --> 01:32:37.550 And I think that over time, when he gets stuck 01:32:37.550 --> 01:32:38.649 against the ropes, because he has to have to 01:32:38.649 --> 01:32:40.350 get stuck in the ropes, and just depending on 01:32:40.350 --> 01:32:43.260 a high guard, I think that... Virgil's going 01:32:43.260 --> 01:32:44.859 to find the offense. I think this is a really 01:32:44.859 --> 01:32:47.680 tough fight. Hold on, hold on. Real quick, real 01:32:47.680 --> 01:32:50.300 quick. We had a comment from one of the listeners. 01:32:51.640 --> 01:32:53.819 He said if he went the distance with Fandora, 01:32:53.840 --> 01:32:55.399 he's definitely not quitting or stopping with 01:32:55.399 --> 01:32:58.399 Ortiz. A good bet in my opinion. I hate to break 01:32:58.399 --> 01:33:00.899 it to you. He ain't going the distance with Fandora. 01:33:01.239 --> 01:33:02.500 Yeah, he ain't going the distance with Fandora. 01:33:03.199 --> 01:33:04.960 People don't remember that fight, but he didn't 01:33:04.960 --> 01:33:07.579 go the distance. I don't think Lubin remembers 01:33:07.579 --> 01:33:11.350 that fight. But Virgil's pressure, and when he 01:33:11.350 --> 01:33:13.810 gets against the ropes, Lubin's defense is a 01:33:13.810 --> 01:33:15.329 little bit too one -dimensional against the ropes 01:33:15.329 --> 01:33:17.649 that I think that Virgil will be able to capitalize 01:33:17.649 --> 01:33:19.270 on those moments. I think that Virgil breaks 01:33:19.270 --> 01:33:21.229 him down late. I think it's a close fight. He 01:33:21.229 --> 01:33:23.029 might even be down on the cards, but he will 01:33:23.029 --> 01:33:25.130 eventually get to Lubin. He will eventually drop 01:33:25.130 --> 01:33:28.109 Lubin, and he will eventually stop Lubin in this 01:33:28.109 --> 01:33:29.949 fight. I think we're in for a very good fight, 01:33:30.109 --> 01:33:32.609 and we're going to be seeing if Lubin can handle 01:33:32.609 --> 01:33:34.890 the second half of this fight. Can Lubin hold 01:33:34.890 --> 01:33:36.649 up the second half of the fight, and is Virgil 01:33:36.649 --> 01:33:39.090 going to feel that level of class change again? 01:33:39.399 --> 01:33:40.960 Because like I said, I felt it in all the last 01:33:40.960 --> 01:33:42.979 two fights. I'm waiting for that performance 01:33:42.979 --> 01:33:45.699 where he puts, solidifies, like, hey, I'm different. 01:33:46.100 --> 01:33:47.859 Separate myself from the class. I haven't seen 01:33:47.859 --> 01:33:49.720 that yet. Maybe it's tonight. I'm going to pick 01:33:49.720 --> 01:33:51.560 Virgil. I think it's a tough fight. I think it's 01:33:51.560 --> 01:33:53.279 a good fight. I think it's a fight worth watching. 01:33:53.859 --> 01:33:56.319 And please. Well, not only is it a fight worth 01:33:56.319 --> 01:33:59.079 watching, I think that this is one of those fights 01:33:59.079 --> 01:34:00.579 that might not go the way people think it's going 01:34:00.579 --> 01:34:03.279 to go. It could go that way. Now, I personally, 01:34:03.420 --> 01:34:07.060 I'm going with conventional wisdom, and I'm picking 01:34:07.060 --> 01:34:11.199 Virgil. Because I just think that Lubin might 01:34:11.199 --> 01:34:14.319 be too shopworn. He's been through so many wars 01:34:14.319 --> 01:34:18.760 in his career, man. How much more can I take? 01:34:19.220 --> 01:34:21.659 You know, he might be on his Tyrese shit, man. 01:34:22.079 --> 01:34:24.779 Fucking around with Virgil. The only thing I'm 01:34:24.779 --> 01:34:27.140 100 % sure about in this fight is that somebody's 01:34:27.140 --> 01:34:30.729 put on the ass. It might be Lubin. It might be 01:34:30.729 --> 01:34:34.649 both. Someone's going to put their ass in this 01:34:34.649 --> 01:34:37.449 fight. Because both guys leave themselves open 01:34:37.449 --> 01:34:40.630 to some counter shots. And we've seen both guys 01:34:40.630 --> 01:34:43.369 down in their career. This is one of the very 01:34:43.369 --> 01:34:45.189 best fights in all of boxing. I'm glad that this 01:34:45.189 --> 01:34:48.510 happened tonight. But I will say, I'm disappointed 01:34:48.510 --> 01:34:50.789 that you're basically calling this a one -fight 01:34:50.789 --> 01:34:53.909 card. Because there's another fight on this card

01:34:53.909 --> 01:34:57.560 that has... a chance to steal the show. And I'm 01:34:57.560 --> 01:35:00.420 talking about Darius Fulgham versus David Stevens. 01:35:01.140 --> 01:35:07.000 That is going to be a banger. Guaranteed banger. 01:35:07.239 --> 01:35:10.260 So look out for that fight. The thing with Fulgham, 01:35:10.439 --> 01:35:11.659 and I get why you're saying that, and it does 01:35:11.659 --> 01:35:14.279 feel like the matchup is pretty good, but Fulgham, 01:35:14.439 --> 01:35:17.140 his last fight was really entertaining versus 01:35:17.140 --> 01:35:22.180 Big Beck. But - Back to Bobby. You know, I'm 01:35:22.180 --> 01:35:24.960 a person - You know he calls him - I call him 01:35:24.960 --> 01:35:30.239 Satchmo. But like I said, that fight was really 01:35:30.239 --> 01:35:32.159 entertaining. Before that, Fulcrum's not really 01:35:32.159 --> 01:35:33.920 that much of an entertainer of a fighter. I don't 01:35:33.920 --> 01:35:35.359 think he wants to be in that type of fight again. 01:35:35.479 --> 01:35:37.279 So we'll see what happens there. The guy you 01:35:37.279 --> 01:35:39.000 have to pay attention to on this undercard is 01:35:39.000 --> 01:35:41.079 Joshua Edwards. I mean, are you talking about 01:35:41.079 --> 01:35:44.020 American heavyweights, who we have really no 01:35:44.020 --> 01:35:45.680 one to really be excited about? This is a guy 01:35:45.680 --> 01:35:47.840 you get excited about. Good speed, good power, 01:35:47.939 --> 01:35:50.819 and to me, a good size for heavyweight. I think 01:35:50.819 --> 01:35:52.760 that this guy's someone to watch. This is Golden 01:35:52.760 --> 01:35:55.260 Boy's chance to build the next superstar for 01:35:55.260 --> 01:35:57.359 them. I think this is really the highest potential 01:35:57.359 --> 01:35:59.079 superstar that they could have on the roster 01:35:59.079 --> 01:36:00.880 right now. And I'm saying that with Ryan Garcia 01:36:00.880 --> 01:36:02.859 and Virgil Ortiz on the roster. I think this 01:36:02.859 --> 01:36:05.760 guy has more ceiling, is way higher a star potential 01:36:05.760 --> 01:36:07.899 than those guys because he's an American heavyweight. 01:36:08.119 --> 01:36:10.199 All right, well, give the people your parlay. 01:36:10.979 --> 01:36:14.220 My parlay, boxing -wise, not great, not great 01:36:14.220 --> 01:36:15.840 stuff today. But I'm gonna say this, I'm gonna 01:36:15.840 --> 01:36:19.199 take - My God. Yeah, let me go. Virgil Ortiz 01:36:19.199 --> 01:36:23.859 by KO or TKO. Then you got to go across two other 01:36:23.859 --> 01:36:26.100 sports. Los Angeles Lakers tonight against the 01:36:26.100 --> 01:36:29.279 Hawks. Moneyline. LA Rams versus San Francisco 01:36:29.279 --> 01:36:31.979 49ers is a payback game. The Rams are hungry 01:36:31.979 --> 01:36:34.960 for this. They're not going to let the 49ers 01:36:34.960 --> 01:36:36.039 think by it. They're not going to get surprised. 01:36:36.180 --> 01:36:39.000 They are hungry for

this rematch. Moneyline. 01:36:39.140 --> 01:36:42.100 And this three -leg parlay. Virgil, stoppage. 01:36:42.279 --> 01:36:46.279 Lakers, Rams, Moneyline, plus 279. It's so funny. 01:36:46.869 --> 01:36:49.770 All we got to do for your parlays is put a box 01:36:49.770 --> 01:36:52.210 intake and then whatever LA teams are playing. 01:36:52.670 --> 01:36:54.789 It's the same shit. And it always hits, man. 01:36:54.930 --> 01:36:58.050 Hey, it always hits. It always hits. Ezra, one 01:36:58.050 --> 01:36:59.829 more thing before you got to leave. Tomorrow, 01:36:59.949 --> 01:37:04.350 today. I think tomorrow, today, with Virgil Ortiz, 01:37:04.430 --> 01:37:06.810 because I think this is going to be a tough fight. 01:37:06.909 --> 01:37:09.149 I think this is going to be a tough fight. I 01:37:09.149 --> 01:37:10.750 think that people are going to say, I don't think 01:37:10.750 --> 01:37:12.630 he's ready for boots. I think that's what the 01:37:12.630 --> 01:37:14.369 look is after this fight. Because I think that 01:37:14.369 --> 01:37:16.420 people are going to see. I think you might see 01:37:16.420 --> 01:37:19.119 a little bit even more patient Virgil today, 01:37:19.239 --> 01:37:22.140 more or more boxing Virgil today. And I don't 01:37:22.140 --> 01:37:23.560 think they're gonna see the destruction that 01:37:23.560 --> 01:37:26.199 maybe they're expecting early on, right? I don't 01:37:26.199 --> 01:37:27.600 think they're gonna see that devastation early 01:37:27.600 --> 01:37:28.899 on. I think it's gonna be a tough fight. And 01:37:28.899 --> 01:37:30.779 I think people are gonna say, hey, I think Boots 01:37:30.779 --> 01:37:31.979 is favored in this fight. I think we walk away 01:37:31.979 --> 01:37:34.319 saying Boots is the guy to win that fight. I 01:37:34.319 --> 01:37:37.300 think if Lubin wins, right? If Lubin wins, it's 01:37:37.300 --> 01:37:39.739 still gonna be the story on Virgil, right? Lubin 01:37:39.739 --> 01:37:41.899 wins, you're gonna say, hey, Lubin maybe is gonna 01:37:41.899 --> 01:37:43.699 be a rematch for Fedora, right? He's in this 01:37:43.699 --> 01:37:45.199 interesting spot, but you're still gonna say, 01:37:45.899 --> 01:37:48.500 that Virgil got exposed. And I think there's 01:37:48.500 --> 01:37:50.300 going to be a lot of complaints about, oh, Virgil 01:37:50.300 --> 01:37:51.899 should have went up in weight and all that, which 01:37:51.899 --> 01:37:53.439 we usually have. If someone loses, I think they're 01:37:53.439 --> 01:37:54.539 going to hear a lot of that if Virgil loses. 01:37:55.079 --> 01:37:57.159 All right, last thing before you get out of here, 01:37:57.239 --> 01:38:00.000 for real this time. Okay. We got to have a talk 01:38:00.000 --> 01:38:01.500 with your wife, man. This is getting out of hand. 01:38:01.619 --> 01:38:03.979 It is. It's a lot of events. I didn't realize 01:38:03.979 --> 01:38:05.859 it was so busy. But you know what she said? You 01:38:05.859 --> 01:38:06.819 know what she says when I tell her anything? 01:38:07.039 --> 01:38:09.300 San Antonio. That's what she says. And I'm like, 01:38:09.439 --> 01:38:13.970 you know what? You know what? You know what you 01:38:13.970 --> 01:38:15.710 should say to her whenever she says to you? Say, 01:38:15.829 --> 01:38:23.569 why I oughta. To the moon. But the biggest ticket 01:38:23.569 --> 01:38:28.029 sellers in boxing. Okay. Okay, because first 01:38:28.029 --> 01:38:31.149 of all, people talk about who sells, who's this, 01:38:31.289 --> 01:38:33.390 who's that, who's the face of this, who's the 01:38:33.390 --> 01:38:36.289 face of that. But I think people not understand 01:38:36.289 --> 01:38:40.270 who really moving weight in boxing. So who are 01:38:40.270 --> 01:38:42.649 your biggest ticket sellers in boxing? Okay, 01:38:42.689 --> 01:38:44.550 this is my list. I think you want this list for 01:38:44.550 --> 01:38:46.970 a certain reason. Tell me why. I don't think 01:38:46.970 --> 01:38:50.090 I got there where you wanted it. Why do you think 01:38:50.090 --> 01:38:52.270 I want this list? I think you want to prove a 01:38:52.270 --> 01:38:53.470 point that Clarissa Shields is one of the biggest 01:38:53.470 --> 01:38:55.010 ticket sellers in the box. She just signed a 01:38:55.010 --> 01:38:58.760 big deal. No, this is my idea, Ezra. No, he's 01:38:58.760 --> 01:39:01.000 lying to you. I asked Matt to do this. He's lying 01:39:01.000 --> 01:39:06.920 to you. I was actually in the space when this 01:39:06.920 --> 01:39:09.739 came up. TY came up with the idea for this. I 01:39:09.739 --> 01:39:11.779 know you, Matt. You're from Brooklyn. I didn't 01:39:11.779 --> 01:39:13.979 say anything. What I was about to tell Ezra was 01:39:13.979 --> 01:39:17.319 he was wrong because this is Todd's idea. But 01:39:17.319 --> 01:39:22.550 you ruined it for me. Thank you. Jesus. You're 01:39:22.550 --> 01:39:24.170 from Brooklyn. I can't trust you. I'm a little 01:39:24.170 --> 01:39:25.829 faint from prospect. I don't trust you dudes, 01:39:25.850 --> 01:39:29.390 man. All right, I'm going to go with my list. 01:39:30.029 --> 01:39:33.470 At number 10, top 10 biggest ticket sellers in 01:39:33.470 --> 01:39:38.590 boxing, Tyson Fury. Tyson Fury at number 10. 01:39:38.710 --> 01:39:44.909 At number 9, Jake Paul. At number 8, David Benavidez. 01:39:45.750 --> 01:39:53.000 At number 7, Manny Pacquiao. At number six, Terrence 01:39:53.000 --> 01:39:58.260 Crawford. At number five, Anthony Joshua. At 01:39:58.260 --> 01:40:02.560 number four, Inouye. At number three, and now 01:40:02.560 --> 01:40:04.779 this one hasn't really been proven yet, but in 01:40:04.779 --> 01:40:07.199 another sport, he was a huge ticket seller. I 01:40:07.199 --> 01:40:09.039 think he's going to become a huge ticket seller 01:40:09.039 --> 01:40:12.960 in this sport. Tenshin Nakasawa. At number two, 01:40:13.960 --> 01:40:17.359 Tank Gervonta Davis. Wait, wait, say his name 01:40:17.359

--> 01:40:20.779 again. Tenjin Nakasawa? Or is it Naku? Nasakawa. 01:40:21.380 --> 01:40:26.359 Nasakawa, there you go. Number one, Canelo Alvarez. 01:40:26.760 --> 01:40:29.439 Canelo. The biggest ticket seller of the sport. 01:40:30.199 --> 01:40:35.420 Canelo. I think the order, obviously, is fucked 01:40:35.420 --> 01:40:39.539 up. But it's interesting. Very interesting. I'm 01:40:39.539 --> 01:40:42.119 surprised that Devin Haney didn't make the list. 01:40:43.760 --> 01:40:46.460 Really? Yes, Devin Haney is one of the best ticket 01:40:46.460 --> 01:40:49.520 sellers in Boston. Okay. I'm surprised that Clarissa 01:40:49.520 --> 01:40:52.880 Shields didn't. That's why I think you were expecting 01:40:52.880 --> 01:40:54.579 me on the list. She was an honorable mention. 01:40:55.319 --> 01:40:57.720 Here's the thing. When I think of ticket sellers, 01:40:58.020 --> 01:41:02.220 I think of guys that can move weight no matter 01:41:02.220 --> 01:41:06.739 who the opponent is. I get you. So when we talk 01:41:06.739 --> 01:41:10.439 about Canelo, Canelo can fight me or you. Yeah. 01:41:10.500 --> 01:41:12.640 He'll sell a certain amount of tickets. Tank 01:41:12.640 --> 01:41:14.779 can sell a certain amount of tickets. Yeah. Anyway. 01:41:15.300 --> 01:41:18.579 Yeah. I don't think I heard you say NUA. He was 01:41:18.579 --> 01:41:20.760 number four on my list. Yeah, I don't know why 01:41:20.760 --> 01:41:22.840 you had Tenshin ahead of him. Because Tenshin 01:41:22.840 --> 01:41:26.659 in MMA, in kickboxing, sorry, sold $25 million. 01:41:27.000 --> 01:41:30.520 Correct, correct. But NUA sold $5 million in 01:41:30.520 --> 01:41:33.039 the US. I get you, I get you. But I think that 01:41:33.039 --> 01:41:35.560 Tenshin is going to be a massive, massive gate. 01:41:35.920 --> 01:41:38.500 We'll see. Yeah, we got the next fight. Yeah, 01:41:38.500 --> 01:41:42.380 we'll see, we'll see. But NUA, obviously, I do 01:41:42.380 --> 01:41:47.119 agree with you on Tenshin, Nasukawa. on Hashitashi, 01:41:47.260 --> 01:41:53.800 as you call him. Fury's retired, okay? Joshua, 01:41:53.819 --> 01:41:58.640 I agree, he sells tickets. I think Shields bumps 01:41:58.640 --> 01:42:01.060 Fury from that top 10, though. Okay, that's fine. 01:42:01.140 --> 01:42:02.340 She's right there. I mean, she's right there. 01:42:02.359 --> 01:42:04.699 She's number 11, so that's fine. I think it's 01:42:04.699 --> 01:42:07.100 very interesting that a woman would even be in 01:42:07.100 --> 01:42:09.760 consideration. That just shows how big time she 01:42:09.760 --> 01:42:15.920 is. Is she as Doja Rotteness? No. Yeah, Jaron 01:42:15.920 --> 01:42:18.159 Ennis has two examples of being a ticket seller. 01:42:18.399 --> 01:42:21.220 I think his last event, and I do think that it 01:42:21.220 --> 01:42:23.560 really gonna depend now on the opponent. Now, 01:42:23.579 --> 01:42:25.340 I think that he needs to get some fights right 01:42:25.340 --> 01:42:26.500 there. But I

do think he has potential to be 01:42:26.500 --> 01:42:28.319 a big ticket seller. No, no, no, no, no, no, 01:42:28.319 --> 01:42:31.479 no, no. Jaron Ennis has proven that he could 01:42:31.479 --> 01:42:33.960 sell tickets no matter who the opponent is. Twice, 01:42:33.960 --> 01:42:37.359 he did that twice. Yeah, but he did that with 01:42:37.359 --> 01:42:40.579 less than stellar opposition. I get you, I get 01:42:40.579 --> 01:42:43.060 you, I get you. And he did it three times. That's 01:42:43.060 --> 01:42:45.600 fine. So he's in close. I mean, would you play 01:42:45.600 --> 01:42:48.800 Tyson Fury with him? I would put him ahead of 01:42:48.800 --> 01:42:51.420 Tyson Fury because his gate was bigger than Tyson 01:42:51.420 --> 01:42:54.479 Fury's without another guy. Remember when he 01:42:54.479 --> 01:42:59.939 fought Otto Wallen and Schwartz, both of those 01:42:59.939 --> 01:43:01.920 did under a million at the gate. Yeah, no, I 01:43:01.920 --> 01:43:03.800 get you. But if he's in the UK, is he doing under 01:43:03.800 --> 01:43:07.060 a million at the gate? No. Who knows? Why didn't 01:43:07.060 --> 01:43:08.819 they put him in the UK? Because they're trying 01:43:08.819 --> 01:43:10.560 to build him a star here. They thought they had 01:43:10.560 --> 01:43:13.579 something there. And then he got banned. Shout 01:43:13.579 --> 01:43:18.659 out to Daniel Kinahan. Wow. Matt, you got a list 01:43:18.659 --> 01:43:23.060 before Ezra takes off? No, I just want to critique 01:43:23.060 --> 01:43:25.279 his list. Yeah, I realize that you give me these 01:43:25.279 --> 01:43:27.739 things, right? And I want people to know, I heard 01:43:27.739 --> 01:43:29.579 about this two minutes before the show started. 01:43:29.699 --> 01:43:33.859 No, no, no, no, no, no. Ezra, Ezra, I texted 01:43:33.859 --> 01:43:36.239 you well before that. That's not true. That's 01:43:36.239 --> 01:43:41.100 not true. Now, and I build this list. And then, 01:43:41.140 --> 01:43:42.579 you know, you have the nerve to say, oh, it's 01:43:42.579 --> 01:43:44.020 not in the right order. It's like, hey, I only 01:43:44.020 --> 01:43:45.840 had about two minutes to think about it. And 01:43:45.840 --> 01:43:47.619 that's a pretty damn solid list for two minutes. 01:43:47.720 --> 01:43:48.880 I mean, really, you only have one complaint. 01:43:48.960 --> 01:43:51.899 You're like, oh, Fury. Now, I want to say one 01:43:51.899 --> 01:43:52.939 thing, because I know you're going to talk about 01:43:52.939 --> 01:43:54.000 this. You can talk about this when I leave. I 01:43:54.000 --> 01:43:57.100 got to get going. But I will say this. And congratulations 01:43:57.100 --> 01:43:59.399 to Carissa Shields. She's made herself into a 01:43:59.399 --> 01:44:01.380 big name, a big star in boxing. I've seen her. 01:44:01.399 --> 01:44:03.399 She's even interviewing podcasts with Stephanie 01:44:03.399 --> 01:44:05.659 McMahon. I think that's really big for her. I'm 01:44:05.659 -->

01:44:07.939 actually happy for her. Carissa Shields, I thought, 01:44:07.979 --> 01:44:09.800 was very disrespected during the Olympics. I 01:44:09.800 --> 01:44:12.180 thought that she should have been really on the 01:44:12.180 --> 01:44:15.199 cover of everything. As an only boxer to get 01:44:15.199 --> 01:44:17.479 a gold medal at that point. Does it twice. I 01:44:17.479 --> 01:44:20.140 think that she should have been a bigger star 01:44:20.140 --> 01:44:21.300 at that point. I thought that everything was 01:44:21.300 --> 01:44:22.779 against her and she still became a big star. 01:44:22.960 --> 01:44:25.140 She did smart moves. I got a lot of credit for 01:44:25.140 --> 01:44:27.239 her. And I'm glad she got the money. I just, 01:44:27.300 --> 01:44:29.380 honestly, though, this decision was boring to 01:44:29.380 --> 01:44:31.640 me. I gotta be honest with you. I was expecting 01:44:31.640 --> 01:44:35.159 to be more excited about this decision. I wasn't. 01:44:35.180 --> 01:44:36.800 I gotta be honest with you. That's where I stand 01:44:36.800 --> 01:44:38.340 on it. I don't know. She's getting her money. 01:44:38.520 --> 01:44:40.800 I'm happy for that. But it's just not, doesn't 01:44:40.800 --> 01:44:44.020 excite me as I thought it would. Hey, can you 01:44:44.020 --> 01:44:47.340 do me a favor? What do you need? Can you add 01:44:47.340 --> 01:44:52.420 as well? You blocked. You as dumb as hell. You 01:44:52.420 --> 01:44:55.979 blocked, man. Thank you. I knew that was going 01:44:55.979 --> 01:44:59.420 to happen. Thank you. It was some big names. 01:45:00.420 --> 01:45:03.779 It's your name. Which one? You had guys like 01:45:03.779 --> 01:45:08.939 Tia Fimo, Shakur. No, I'm not saying names, like 01:45:08.939 --> 01:45:12.380 Ryan Garcia. No, no, Ryan Garcia sells tickets. 01:45:12.659 --> 01:45:17.539 When and where? Ryan Garcia sells tickets. What 01:45:17.539 --> 01:45:23.270 about Virgil Ortiz? I said Shakur. So, Shakur, 01:45:23.270 --> 01:45:26.250 all right, all right, take a seller. Probably 01:45:26.250 --> 01:45:28.930 in the top, you know, 10 to 20, right? In the 01:45:28.930 --> 01:45:30.390 right market, probably, but I don't know that 01:45:30.390 --> 01:45:33.229 we've seen it outside of it, so maybe not. How's 01:45:33.229 --> 01:45:35.529 the event going tonight? How's the virtual event 01:45:35.529 --> 01:45:37.850 going? This is, no, not looking good. Not great, 01:45:37.890 --> 01:45:42.369 not great, not looking good. All right, guys, 01:45:42.470 --> 01:45:45.550 I love you guys. Great show, excellent stuff. 01:45:46.200 --> 01:45:48.439 Whatever happens after I leave, remember, that 01:45:48.439 --> 01:45:51.500 can only, like I said, that can't hurt my brand. 01:45:51.859 --> 01:45:54.460 That's not in the show here. Let's say right 01:45:54.460 --> 01:45:55.739 now this is what the show is. Now the show might 01:45:55.739 --> 01:45:57.579 continue, right? There might be something that 01:45:57.579 -->

01:46:00.119 happens after I leave, but what we had here was 01:46:00.119 --> 01:46:03.420 special. I really believe that. All right. Tell 01:46:03.420 --> 01:46:09.000 your wife we said hello. Wow. You're crazy, man. 01:46:09.800 --> 01:46:17.359 You know how you're going to tell. What's up? 01:46:17.399 --> 01:46:19.880 That whole thing with Clarissa Shields, make 01:46:19.880 --> 01:46:22.600 sure you bring it up next time you communicate 01:46:22.600 --> 01:46:26.500 with the boxing academic. Yeah, no doubt, no 01:46:26.500 --> 01:46:29.939 doubt, no doubt. But Tom, who do you think are 01:46:29.939 --> 01:46:31.260 some of the biggest ticket sellers in boxing? 01:46:32.539 --> 01:46:34.460 I think your name, though, really. Your name, 01:46:34.500 --> 01:46:37.300 though. I mean, I always name guys, you probably 01:46:37.300 --> 01:46:39.979 thought that, no, that's why I named Virgil, 01:46:40.100 --> 01:46:43.140 Shakur, those type of guys, but. I don't know 01:46:43.140 --> 01:46:44.800 about detention type of guys. I'm not going to 01:46:44.800 --> 01:46:47.859 fraud, but when we talk about in the space, I 01:46:47.859 --> 01:46:49.380 would be talking about American guys. You know 01:46:49.380 --> 01:46:52.159 what I mean? Because we're talking about Clarissa 01:46:52.159 --> 01:46:54.159 Shields and she's doing over a million dollar 01:46:54.159 --> 01:46:56.600 gates. When a guy do a million dollar gate, you 01:46:56.600 --> 01:46:58.159 know what I mean? We ready to make him a superstar. 01:46:58.460 --> 01:47:02.399 You got to think. Last year, when Keyshawn did 01:47:02.399 --> 01:47:04.520 a million dollar gate, we ready to make him Roberto 01:47:04.520 --> 01:47:07.819 Duran. So yeah, Clarissa do it all the time. 01:47:08.260 --> 01:47:12.569 Yeah. Now, I will say a couple guys that I think 01:47:12.569 --> 01:47:15.270 he missed, not purposely, but because they don't 01:47:15.270 --> 01:47:17.930 box no more. Errol Spence is a ticket seller. 01:47:18.489 --> 01:47:23.210 And Jermell Charlo is a ticket seller. I agree 01:47:23.210 --> 01:47:25.689 with him. Yeah, those guys are tickets sellers. 01:47:25.909 --> 01:47:28.609 And that's why when we talk about the health 01:47:28.609 --> 01:47:31.090 of the sport, especially in the United States 01:47:31.090 --> 01:47:33.550 of America, it's because these guys are not fighting. 01:47:34.949 --> 01:47:39.050 These guys are not fighting. When I said Matt, 01:47:39.819 --> 01:47:41.619 I'm all for, like, I'm all for, we talk about 01:47:41.619 --> 01:47:43.680 you, I'm all for the older guy, older cast fighting, 01:47:43.779 --> 01:47:46.500 man. Let them dudes fight, man. I'm for a Charlo 01:47:46.500 --> 01:47:50.180 versus a Spence. Like, no, we was hyped for Keith 01:47:50.180 --> 01:47:52.119 Bama versus Front Door. Like, what you say, he 01:47:52.119 --> 01:47:54.039 comes through the front door, right? Yeah, yeah. 01:47:54.359 --> 01:47:57.000 Home invasion. Straight through the

front door. 01:47:57.180 --> 01:48:00.140 Straight through the front door. Straight through 01:48:00.140 --> 01:48:05.869 the front door, man. Go ahead, Yuri. I was going 01:48:05.869 --> 01:48:07.289 to say, do you want to go back to the Clarissa 01:48:07.289 --> 01:48:09.229 Shields deal or after this you want to move forward 01:48:09.229 --> 01:48:13.890 into quick hits? Well, we could put Clarissa 01:48:13.890 --> 01:48:17.010 Shields into quick hits. All right. Well, then 01:48:17.010 --> 01:48:18.770 let's start with that. Clarissa Shields signing 01:48:18.770 --> 01:48:22.170 a historic two -year, $8 million base multi -fight 01:48:22.170 --> 01:48:23.890 deal with win records and Salido promotions. 01:48:25.670 --> 01:48:27.670 Where do you want to talk about this, Matt? Where 01:48:27.670 --> 01:48:30.989 do you want to start with? Hey, I love Clarissa 01:48:30.989 --> 01:48:35.680 Shields. I'm very happy for her. Very, very happy 01:48:35.680 --> 01:48:40.600 for her. The album is coming. She's going to 01:48:40.600 --> 01:48:43.699 drop her album. She's going to drop her album. 01:48:44.420 --> 01:48:48.479 The album is coming. The album is coming. Is 01:48:48.479 --> 01:48:51.420 Papoose writing the album? No. She writes her 01:48:51.420 --> 01:48:54.979 own rhymes. Come on, man. Come on. So this is 01:48:54.979 --> 01:48:56.300 a coincidence. All of a sudden, she's a Papoose. 01:48:56.340 --> 01:48:57.619 She's a rapper. That's all I'm saying, Huey. 01:48:57.699 --> 01:49:00.199 That's all I'm saying. I ain't got no bars for 01:49:00.199 --> 01:49:03.289 the Papoose. She used to do music before, Ty. 01:49:03.590 --> 01:49:05.329 Rappers want to be athletes. Athletes want to 01:49:05.329 --> 01:49:08.069 be rappers. You know how it is. When she started 01:49:08.069 --> 01:49:09.529 talking about the alphabet backwards, don't say 01:49:09.529 --> 01:49:11.430 Pat went writing it. It's all I got to say. Come 01:49:11.430 --> 01:49:16.329 on, man. Come on. Listen. Hey, man. What's up? 01:49:17.750 --> 01:49:20.869 Is she going to go double uranium with this album? 01:49:21.050 --> 01:49:24.010 Come on, man. Come on, man. She going diamond. 01:49:24.270 --> 01:49:26.750 But here's the thing, right? With this deal that 01:49:26.750 --> 01:49:29.289 she signed, I'm glad she's getting her money. 01:49:29.989 --> 01:49:33.170 As long as... She fights the people we want her 01:49:33.170 --> 01:49:35.609 to fight. I don't think it matters where the 01:49:35.609 --> 01:49:38.350 money comes from. Who do we want her to fight? 01:49:38.710 --> 01:49:44.829 I want to see her fight Shadesha Green. I want 01:49:44.829 --> 01:49:48.149 to see her fight Lauren Price. I want to see 01:49:48.149 --> 01:49:52.689 her fight Michaela Mayer. And I want to see her 01:49:52.689 --> 01:49:59.670 fight Christine Cyborg. Michaela Mayer is an 01:49:59.670 --> 01:50:03.970 interesting one. Yeah. Do you think that'll be 01:50:03.970 --> 01:50:10.390 a 160? Either 154 or 160. Hmm. Did she make that? 01:50:10.529 --> 01:50:13.970 Yeah. She said she was. She said she's interested 01:50:13.970 --> 01:50:18.029 in the fight. She's a killer. Well, here's the 01:50:18.029 --> 01:50:19.949 other thing that's interesting with this deal. 01:50:20.489 --> 01:50:23.550 Since it was under a Salida promotion, so she 01:50:23.550 --> 01:50:28.029 was able to get the initial, I guess you said, 01:50:28.130 --> 01:50:30.899 renegotiate with Salida. And then get a new deal. 01:50:31.560 --> 01:50:35.500 And when that happened, there was a certain fighter 01:50:35.500 --> 01:50:38.159 that was a little bit bothered by that decision 01:50:38.159 --> 01:50:41.060 when that happened. Because she recently signed 01:50:41.060 --> 01:50:43.260 with Salida Promotions. Who are we talking about? 01:50:45.579 --> 01:50:48.159 Franchon Cruz. So she was bothered by the fact 01:50:48.159 --> 01:50:52.420 that she was resigning? Not resigning when she 01:50:52.420 --> 01:50:55.640 announced that she was ending the deal with Salida 01:50:55.640 --> 01:50:58.760 Promotions. What was her contract? Because she 01:50:58.760 --> 01:51:02.170 didn't know. Remember, yeah, but she didn't think 01:51:02.170 --> 01:51:04.689 that or she didn't know that if she was going 01:51:04.689 --> 01:51:06.890 to re -sign with Salida Promotions, though, at 01:51:06.890 --> 01:51:11.369 the time. Okay. So with this new deal, now I 01:51:11.369 --> 01:51:14.029 want to see if that fight could be resurrected. 01:51:14.510 --> 01:51:20.329 And the other thing, too, with this deal, with 01:51:20.329 --> 01:51:23.550 Clarissa getting this amount of money that, as 01:51:23.550 --> 01:51:27.729 they say, increases the value of the - deal that 01:51:27.729 --> 01:51:30.149 the opponents will get. So that's going to really 01:51:30.149 --> 01:51:34.649 be real good for women's boxing on that front. 01:51:35.250 --> 01:51:37.569 Yeah, yeah. But those are interesting matchups 01:51:37.569 --> 01:51:42.050 too. Yeah, but I don't think she's fighting Fran 01:51:42.050 --> 01:51:44.810 Charm. She didn't say it to me outright, but 01:51:44.810 --> 01:51:48.430 the sense that I got from her is that there's 01:51:48.430 --> 01:51:52.149 a little issue that maybe Fran Charm was talking 01:51:52.149 --> 01:51:56.920 out of school and that might affect. That might 01:51:56.920 --> 01:52:01.840 affect her willingness to get French on that 01:52:01.840 --> 01:52:08.359 fight. Because she already beat her. I mean, 01:52:08.380 --> 01:52:14.039 she already beat her. But, you know, Roy Jones 01:52:14.039 --> 01:52:16.560 already beat Bernard Hopkins and they still had 01:52:16.560 --> 01:52:20.180 a rematch. Which sucked. Yeah, that's not a good 01:52:20.180 --> 01:52:25.939 example. One, one, one. It was one, one. I don't 01:52:25.939 --> 01:52:28.819 care what y 'all say. It was 1 -1. They want 01:52:28.819 --> 01:52:32.000 to do the trilogy. It's 1 -1. What else you got

01:52:32.000 --> 01:52:35.439 for us? We saw Floyd Money Mayweather receive 01:52:35.439 --> 01:52:37.899 another award, but this time outside the ring 01:52:37.899 --> 01:52:40.579 for the Republican Jewish Coalition's World Champion 01:52:40.579 --> 01:52:43.800 for Israel Award for his undying support of Israel. 01:52:43.899 --> 01:52:45.899 Matt, what are your thoughts on Floyd's newest 01:52:45.899 --> 01:52:49.659 accomplishment? I don't have any thoughts. I 01:52:49.659 --> 01:52:51.300 just wanted to put this on the rundown, just 01:52:51.300 --> 01:52:56.550 to put it on the rundown. I like to thank all 01:52:56.550 --> 01:53:01.949 of those guys. Those are hell of a guys. I support 01:53:01.949 --> 01:53:06.250 Israel. I know what's going on, but that's where 01:53:06.250 --> 01:53:13.710 I rock with. Legendary rapper Cameron is going 01:53:13.710 --> 01:53:16.210 to be doing some collaborations with PBC for 01:53:16.210 --> 01:53:18.310 an upcoming event. Matt, do you have any more 01:53:18.310 --> 01:53:20.310 details on this? And do I need to hit your music? 01:53:23.119 --> 01:53:25.539 It's not really a boxing rumor, so not hit the 01:53:25.539 --> 01:53:29.100 music. But I know there have been questions about 01:53:29.100 --> 01:53:30.739 whether or not this is going to be some sort 01:53:30.739 --> 01:53:32.359 of musical performance or something like that. 01:53:32.399 --> 01:53:33.899 No, this is not going to be a musical performance. 01:53:36.020 --> 01:53:39.140 From all indications, because you know I keep 01:53:39.140 --> 01:53:43.119 my ear to the streets, they're going to be hosting 01:53:43.119 --> 01:53:48.819 basically Fight Week for PBC, if that makes sense. 01:53:49.100 --> 01:53:50.960 That's what the discussion is. They're going 01:53:50.960 --> 01:53:55.279 to be hosting Fight Week. interviewing the fighters, 01:53:56.159 --> 01:54:00.380 maybe interacting with the fans. They're going 01:54:00.380 --> 01:54:02.239 to be doing some cross promotion where it is 01:54:02.239 --> 01:54:06.239 what it is and PVC. I think this is a big deal, 01:54:06.239 --> 01:54:09.140 man. And this is something for the culture. And 01:54:09.140 --> 01:54:11.539 I'm hearing that this could start as soon as 01:54:11.539 --> 01:54:15.579 the December 6th fight in San Antonio, which 01:54:15.579 --> 01:54:18.300 I think will be pretty cool. Yeah, I think that 01:54:18.300 --> 01:54:22.039 would be pretty cool, especially for Fulton versus 01:54:22.039 --> 01:54:25.460 Foster because, you know, that's our fight, okay? 01:54:25.539 --> 01:54:28.500 That's our fight. That's our audience. That's 01:54:28.500 --> 01:54:33.939 Canva's audience. And if you could introduce 01:54:33.939 --> 01:54:38.819 Fulton and Foster to that audience, oh, man, 01:54:38.939 --> 01:54:41.380 I think that would be huge for both guys, you 01:54:41.380 --> 01:54:44.619 know? So I'm hearing this is that I did like... 01:54:45.500 --> 01:54:49.640 They gave a shout out to KB, Kenneth from PBC. 01:54:50.239 --> 01:54:55.539 I posted the video. I posted the video. There 01:54:55.539 --> 01:54:58.300 was a real funny part of the video that I cut 01:54:58.300 --> 01:55:03.319 out. I want you guys to go to talk with Flea. 01:55:03.739 --> 01:55:06.800 his podcast, and go listen to the extended version 01:55:06.800 --> 01:55:09.920 of the video. And then you'll know why I say 01:55:09.920 --> 01:55:11.899 it's a funny part of the video, all right? But 01:55:11.899 --> 01:55:15.380 yeah, that was fire. That's fire. I think it's 01:55:15.380 --> 01:55:19.079 a great idea. It's gonna bring PBC fighters to 01:55:19.079 --> 01:55:22.180 a different market. And you just see PBC continue 01:55:22.180 --> 01:55:25.199 to try to expand their reach with their fighters. 01:55:26.000 --> 01:55:29.500 Now we just need more events. We need more events. 01:55:30.359 --> 01:55:36.720 We need more events. Yeah, they did have that 01:55:36.720 --> 01:55:40.279 great back and forth with Gillian Wallow. And 01:55:40.279 --> 01:55:42.880 now you add this thing here with it is what it 01:55:42.880 --> 01:55:46.899 is. That gives more of these fighters more exposure. 01:55:47.260 --> 01:55:50.800 And shout out to PBC on that front because you've 01:55:50.800 --> 01:55:53.699 seen it, at least with a couple of examples here, 01:55:53.800 --> 01:55:56.399 with what happened with Tate versus Ron Rhodes 01:55:56.399 --> 01:55:58.880 Jr. So you've seen those multiple media outlets 01:55:58.880 --> 01:56:01.979 kind of be part of that and build up to that 01:56:01.979 --> 01:56:05.430 particular fight. And now you can see that more 01:56:05.430 --> 01:56:08.729 so with more of these PVC events. So I'm looking 01:56:08.729 --> 01:56:12.369 forward to it for fight week for San Antonio. 01:56:12.569 --> 01:56:14.789 And I'm looking at them tickets, man. They got 01:56:14.789 --> 01:56:17.210 a couple of nonstop fights. So I might just go 01:56:17.210 --> 01:56:21.289 ahead and try to make that trip. Yeah, listen, 01:56:21.569 --> 01:56:24.890 that's a great fight, a great event. And I'm 01:56:24.890 --> 01:56:27.670 looking forward to seeing how this collaboration. 01:56:28.810 --> 01:56:32.109 with it is what it is and PBC goes. I'm definitely 01:56:32.109 --> 01:56:34.869 looking forward to seeing that. Hopefully it 01:56:34.869 --> 01:56:38.789 comes across well to the audience because I like 01:56:38.789 --> 01:56:41.909 that PBC is thinking out of the box on how to 01:56:41.909 --> 01:56:45.850 promote their fighters and their events. Mm -hmm. 01:56:47.250 --> 01:56:49.810 And then, I'm sorry, Matt, you had something 01:56:49.810 --> 01:56:52.189 else to say? Yeah, I was going to say, so much 01:56:52.189 --> 01:56:54.840 for PBC being broke. If they could afford Cameron 01:56:54.840 --> 01:56:57.479 Mason and Stat, baby, they must not be going 01:56:57.479 --> 01:57:02.420 broke, you know? Shit. Right. Must not be. And 01:57:02.420 -->

01:57:04.539 then, Matt, before you close out the show tonight, 01:57:04.640 --> 01:57:06.220 again, I know you opened the show with this, 01:57:06.300 --> 01:57:09.960 but, you know, yourself, Ezra, the entire Brunch 01:57:09.960 --> 01:57:12.100 Boxer community just wants to extend our sincerest 01:57:12.100 --> 01:57:14.239 condolences to Al Bernstein on the passing of 01:57:14.239 --> 01:57:17.439 his wife, Connie, this week. And, Matt, I'll 01:57:17.439 --> 01:57:18.680 turn it over to you if you have anything else 01:57:18.680 --> 01:57:21.300 to say on that before we close out. No, I have 01:57:21.300 --> 01:57:23.840 nothing to say on that. You know, Alex Bernstein 01:57:23.840 --> 01:57:28.779 is a great guy, friend of the show, love and 01:57:28.779 --> 01:57:33.119 light to him and his family. And that was all 01:57:33.119 --> 01:57:36.359 that we had here for today. JBZTY, you want to 01:57:36.359 --> 01:57:40.460 tell the people where they can find you and your 01:57:40.460 --> 01:57:48.520 content? Jeez, struggling. Go ahead, Ty. Ty, 01:57:48.619 --> 01:57:51.239 you're on mute. Oh, you're on mute. Oh, my bad, 01:57:51.279 --> 01:57:53.500 my bad, my bad. Sunday morning sermon, we'll 01:57:53.500 --> 01:57:55.300 be there tomorrow morning. You know what I mean? 01:57:55.840 --> 01:57:58.739 And we're going for two in a row on next Friday, 01:57:59.100 --> 01:58:00.939 RNS podcast. You know what I mean? We're going 01:58:00.939 --> 01:58:04.460 for two in a row. Gotta keep on undertaking a 01:58:04.460 --> 01:58:06.180 streak of life. Hey, let me ask you a question, 01:58:06.300 --> 01:58:09.859 Ty. What's up, man? Do we have more episodes 01:58:09.859 --> 01:58:13.100 on the RNS podcast or more PBC boxing events? 01:58:16.750 --> 01:58:20.670 I might go PBC. Do we count the half episodes? 01:58:21.590 --> 01:58:26.029 No, we do not. They like EPs. No, they don't 01:58:26.029 --> 01:58:32.649 count. Did anybody want to talk about the Ryan 01:58:32.649 --> 01:58:37.010 Garcia, Mario Barrios potential fight? Interesting. 01:58:37.550 --> 01:58:41.510 It was on the rumor mill, posted on the rumor 01:58:41.510 --> 01:58:44.689 mill on the Boxing Source website some time back. 01:58:47.210 --> 01:58:50.989 What is it, Oscar De La Hoya is kind of like 01:58:50.989 --> 01:58:53.489 a little bit bad on keeping that under wraps 01:58:53.489 --> 01:58:58.130 because he wouldn't necessarily say it with Marcos 01:58:58.130 --> 01:59:01.949 Villegas. But yeah, that looks like it's going 01:59:01.949 --> 01:59:06.489 to happen on that front. As far as like me, like 01:59:06.489 --> 01:59:09.329 I said, the Buy Source podcast, Sunday, 7 .30 01:59:09.329 --> 01:59:13.630 p .m. Eastern time. TBS trading cards in development. 01:59:13.869 --> 01:59:16.770 People are... Well, fighters are, you know, really 01:59:16.770 --> 01:59:20.090 feeling it. So we're going to see if we can expand 01:59:20.090 --> 01:59:25.069 the series. So I'm working on that. Yeah, man. 01:59:25.149 --> 01:59:27.789 And listen, I want to give a shout out to all 01:59:27.789 --> 01:59:31.550 of our listeners. Shout out to Koda Kid, the 01:59:31.550 --> 01:59:34.050 homie. Shout out to you. Shout out to Trill. 01:59:34.449 --> 01:59:37.529 Shout out to N Conquest. We see you down there 01:59:37.529 --> 01:59:40.609 in the comments. Shout out to my guy, Cam J Network. 01:59:40.869 --> 01:59:44.360 Make sure you guys go subscribe to Cam's. YouTube. 01:59:44.360 --> 01:59:47.680 I had the honor of being on his show this past 01:59:47.680 --> 01:59:50.899 week, so shout out to him. Shout out to the most 01:59:50.899 --> 01:59:53.739 dangerous man in boxing, J -Ro. Shout out to 01:59:53.739 --> 01:59:57.039 my man, Big Boss, a .k .a. Mandalorian. Shout 01:59:57.039 --> 02:00:02.260 out to Teach. Gritty was here. KB from PBC was 02:00:02.260 --> 02:00:06.000 here. Shout out to him. Who else was in the building 02:00:06.000 --> 02:00:09.319 today? I see my man. Sibi was here and I actually 02:00:09.319 --> 02:00:10.920 did want to, I started one of his comments from 02:00:10.920 --> 02:00:13.039 earlier. He said he needed some brunch boxing 02:00:13.039 --> 02:00:18.500 gear for his fighters. If they win, if they win, 02:00:18.699 --> 02:00:28.159 if they win, if they win, they got to win. Yeah, 02:00:28.220 --> 02:00:30.520 we're not giving out no. Listen, this ain't no 02:00:30.520 --> 02:00:33.640 third world country where we send over stuff 02:00:33.640 --> 02:00:37.260 to losers. All right. We need them to win. They 02:00:37.260 --> 02:00:40.279 got to win. If they win, me and Mike will sort 02:00:40.279 --> 02:00:44.479 that for them. Shout out to Johnny. I saw you 02:00:44.479 --> 02:00:49.359 were here, Johnny. Who else was in here? Stringer 02:00:49.359 --> 02:00:54.699 Basquiat. That bitch ass nigga. Fuck him. Who 02:00:54.699 --> 02:00:56.880 else was in here? My guy, Neutral. Shout out 02:00:56.880 --> 02:00:59.520 to Neutral. Red Corner Boxing. That's my guy 02:00:59.520 --> 02:01:04.260 right there. My guy, Blair, was in here. Brunch 02:01:04.260 --> 02:01:07.939 Boxing, COO. The Mexican Alhambra Mike was in 02:01:07.939 --> 02:01:10.260 here, so shout out to him. I see my guy, Old 02:01:10.260 --> 02:01:12.659 Marty Martin. Shout out to my man, Rosebud Ice 02:01:12.659 --> 02:01:16.039 Cream. Rosebud Ice Cream. That's my guy right 02:01:16.039 --> 02:01:17.479 there. What do you mean? That's the name of the 02:01:17.479 --> 02:01:20.800 ice cream company. My man, Sean Muller, was in 02:01:20.800 --> 02:01:22.640 the building. Gotta give a shout out to that 02:01:22.640 --> 02:01:26.090 man. Another Martin was in there. Shout out to 02:01:26.090 --> 02:01:29.050 him. Everyone has an opinion. Make sure you go 02:01:29.050 --> 02:01:32.149 subscribe to his podcast on all streaming platforms. 02:01:33.350 --> 02:01:36.789 He was in here. Virgil versus Red Lubin tonight. 02:01:37.550 --> 02:01:41.710 Yeah, yeah,

yeah. And listen, I see my girl Karma 02:01:41.710 --> 02:01:45.989 was in here. Shout out to Karma. Jab Queen Boxing. 02:01:45.989 --> 02:01:47.869 Shout out to Jab Queen Boxing. She was in here. 02:01:48.090 --> 02:01:50.649 She was on the show with me with Cam J earlier 02:01:50.649 --> 02:01:54.739 this week. Bruce Gass, boxing was in here. Brandon 02:01:54.739 --> 02:01:57.100 Nass was in. Yo, we had some luminaries up in 02:01:57.100 --> 02:02:01.279 here today. Okay, okay. We might be doing okay 02:02:01.279 --> 02:02:04.539 for ourselves. But we're going to be back tonight. 02:02:05.159 --> 02:02:08.380 We're going to be back tonight. YouTube or Twitter? 02:02:09.739 --> 02:02:11.300 Depends on what the people want. If the people 02:02:11.300 --> 02:02:13.619 want YouTube, I'll do YouTube. I know how to 02:02:13.619 --> 02:02:15.699 boot up the stream now. So if y 'all want to 02:02:15.699 --> 02:02:18.220 do YouTube, we can do YouTube to talk about the 02:02:18.220 --> 02:02:20.989 fight. You know, it's up to y 'all. You know, 02:02:21.130 --> 02:02:23.770 I don't really care. I think it's going to be 02:02:23.770 --> 02:02:25.369 like... We'll see if I have time to figure that 02:02:25.369 --> 02:02:28.329 out throughout the day. You know, I ain't the 02:02:28.329 --> 02:02:31.069 one with the hype, but this is going to be a 02:02:31.069 --> 02:02:32.489 good fight tonight. This is going to be a good 02:02:32.489 --> 02:02:35.909 fight. It is. It is. I think Luba could win, 02:02:36.010 --> 02:02:43.329 man. Philly Wi -Fi. Or Luba by decision. Like, 02:02:43.329 --> 02:02:48.770 niggas act like fucking virtualists. Chavez, 02:02:49.130 --> 02:02:54.789 like, calm down. Calm down. Calm down. But we'll 02:02:54.789 --> 02:02:58.189 see, man. Listen, support Brunch Boxing. Make 02:02:58.189 --> 02:03:02.310 sure you subscribe YouTube. Follow on Twitter. 02:03:02.569 --> 02:03:06.149 Follow on Instagram. Make sure you guys subscribe 02:03:06.149 --> 02:03:09.250 on all streaming platforms. We're also on Spotify, 02:03:09.529 --> 02:03:12.750 Apple Podcasts. And as always, yo, make sure 02:03:12.750 --> 02:03:16.020 y 'all hit the cash app. Dollar sign. It's That's 02:03:16.020 --> 02:03:17.819 Your Face. Holler at me. Make sure y 'all go 02:03:17.819 --> 02:03:23.020 hit the Cash App. Hit the Venmo. I got everything, 02:03:23.239 --> 02:03:26.000 man. Y 'all go support. Hit the PayPal. Make 02:03:26.000 --> 02:03:28.699 sure you got support. I do want to say that we 02:03:28.699 --> 02:03:32.640 are going to be revamping the Brunch Boxing website. 02:03:33.000 --> 02:03:35.239 So look out for that. Me and Mike are going to 02:03:35.239 --> 02:03:37.439 be working on that. We're going to be revamping 02:03:37.439 --> 02:03:41.279 the entire website. to bring you guys the full 02:03:41.279 --> 02:03:44.119 brunch boxing experience. It's going to be fucking 02:03:44.119 --> 02:03:47.359 dope. It's going to be dope. We're revamping 02:03:47.359 --> 02:03:50.619 the whole website. Okay? You talk, we listen. 02:03:50.720 --> 02:03:54.699 We do this for the people. Look out for some 02:03:54.699 --> 02:03:56.939 articles I got coming up. I got some articles 02:03:56.939 --> 02:03:58.760 on the website now, but I also have some articles. 02:03:59.470 --> 02:04:01.069 that I'm going to be dropping throughout the 02:04:01.069 --> 02:04:03.069 weekend. A lot of news and notes I'm going to 02:04:03.069 --> 02:04:04.529 be dropping throughout the weekend, so make sure 02:04:04.529 --> 02:04:08.529 you guys go follow us on all platforms, including 02:04:08.529 --> 02:04:12.810 the Brunch Boxing website, www .brunchboxing 02:04:12.810 --> 02:04:19.750 .com. But it is time that we say goodbye. This 02:04:19.750 --> 02:04:22.649 was a great show. Appreciate everybody for joining 02:04:22.649 --> 02:04:25.970 us. But this has been another edition of Brunch 02:04:25.970 --> 02:04:30.229 Boxing. He is our COO, the Mexican Alhambra Mike. 02:04:30.630 --> 02:04:35.430 He is our host, Ezra Boxen. He is our super producer, 02:04:35.729 --> 02:04:40.369 the one, the only Huey P. I am Matt. We are Bunch 02:04:40.369 --> 02:04:42.569 Boxen, and we are out.