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Emily Snyder Barup was born in Cedar City, Utah, but had the opportunity to live in various cities, including Hong Kong.
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She served as a full-time missionary in the Russia St.
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Petersburg Mission.
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Sister Barup received her bachelor's from Brigham Young University and a master's degree in business administration from Columbia Business School.
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Sister Barup began her career as a school teacher.
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She has worked for the church in the Relief Society General Offices as well as a manager of audience engagement and growth in the Prieston and Family Department.
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She worked for Professor Clayton Christensen at the Harvard Business School and is the Chief of Staff for Magnolia in Waco, Texas.
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Sister Burrup recently started a new position as chief of staff for Degreed.
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Sister Brup was recently married to Trent Burrup, and they have three children and one grandchild.
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Welcome back to Born to Lead.
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We're your hosts, Connie Sokel and Madison Latin.
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And we are so delighted today to have the one and only Emily Snyder with us today.
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Welcome.
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Thank you.
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I feel so honored and tickled and humbled to be with you guys today.
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We're so grateful, and we have so many questions for you.
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We're gonna jump right in and get started.
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So, Emily, you have quite a leadership journey.
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I mean, you were a teacher, you worked at Magnolia, you worked for Clayton Christensen, you have done a lot of things.
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And it seems as though maybe your leadership journey hasn't been this clear, straight path.
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Can you share a little bit more about that experience of how doors have opened, different things came in, and you just took on the role of being a leader in every situation?
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Oh, that A, that's so fun that you researched and you looked into things.
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Definitely not a clear, straightforward pathway.
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I don't know that there's even physical paths that are truly so straight.
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If anybody's ever driven in Boston, it the roads make no sense whatsoever.
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There is no rhyme or reason.
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And when fun finally somebody told me the roads are based on the cow paths and the cattle paths from from when the colonization happened, that just became the pathways.
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And it made all the sense in the world that was like, oh, now I love the streets of Boston.
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Now I'm like, oh, this is so sweet.
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Because they were meandering around different ponds or in different feeding spots and different grazing and thought, that's so beautiful.
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And then thinking about that question of that is what brings to mind is it's always a meandering, it's always a creative process.
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I talked to a friend who's doing a study on women and different transition seasons.
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And we talked about how women transition well.
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And one of the biggest things is to some of your question of how do you leave chapters and the loss of certain chapters and perhaps the anticipated or unanticipated feelings of failure in some of those closings.
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And then how to proactively recognize the loss, but then the newness of something new.
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And I feel so grateful in getting to have been single for as many years as I did and realizing I had opportunities to do that.
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I had the space, I had the ability to travel and to totally change new things, largely because I know who I am and because I have gained enough knowledge.
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Oh, God, we're gonna spart out with the tears.
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Fantastic.
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I've spent enough time with my God to know that I am a woman of God first and foremost, and all the opportunities and experiences that are either brought to me or that I seek out of only they're only important because they teach me more about me as a woman of God and what I'm capable of doing and what my capacity is, and that I'm growing each of those.
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So the navigation, the wonky, the twists and turns, I think the youth theme this year in Moses of Walk With Me, the rest of the verse talks about and promises Enoch that the rivers will change course and the mountains will flee.
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And I love that reality of we can have the best-laid plans that make all the sense because we watched our mentors do da-da-da-da-da-da.
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I've read so many LinkedIn profiles of being like, I really want that job.
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So, what did they do to get that job?
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Like, what experiences do I need to have to be prepared?
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And then the Lord being like, Oh, great, those rivers are going to change courses because my vision of you is so much bigger than what you can anticipate.
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That was a really long answer.
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Love it.
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No, we're all about the long answer.
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And I can back on with what you were saying and kind of do a follow-up question with
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that because you were single, you know, in the church, especially that's kind of signature for women because then you know that become you become the token person that is focused on.
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Sorry.
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But it's No, I love it.
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I'm happy.
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Yeah.
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I was gonna say, so many women were so inspired and helped by that.
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And you see that from Sister Oaks and Sister Nelson and these experiences of we all have this breadth, and there's not a cookie-cutter way of being a leader in the church.
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So let's kind of go back for just a second to the lessons that you learned as a single woman in the church, if we can just pop in there for a minute.
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Yeah.
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Because we talk often about a leadership tool belt, and all the way along, single, married, widowed, whatever, you're gaining those leadership tools in that leadership tool belt, and they're all going to be used to build something beautiful for him, right?
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So when you were single, can you think of one leadership lesson that you learned, maybe an experience that you had that was an unexpected leadership lesson and it stayed with you or you it just really resonated?
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Yeah.
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Part of not being married for me in my personal journey was a feeling of feeling like I wasn't enough.
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When I finally realized this wasn't a church dialogue, it actually wasn't even just a conservative religious dialogue.
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We are created as beings to long for a person.
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And it makes it such a relief to me to not kind of blame the church for my lacking, but realizing in my, I just got tired of not being enough.
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I got tired of that story and how wrong it felt that if my God created me and I'm a beloved creature of my father, if that's true, then this story of me not being enough is total bull honky.
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Like, that is not truth.
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And so the wrestling and the realizing of like, oh no, God is creating me to be the ultimate woman of God eternally.
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And I can still remember a day that I testified at the pulpit of that aha in my homeward, of like, oh, the end goal is that God is creating me to be an eternal woman of God that is regal and royal and capable of anything that comes her way.
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That order of operations, of experiences, is gonna look so different than anybody else's.
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Just like everybody else's is going to look so different.
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And the timeline of different experiences, I believe in eternity.
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I believe in the long game.
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I believe that those key experiences that are meant for Godhood will happen.
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Yes.
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And so, what am I doing proactively to own my life, my one glorious, precious life that I have?
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What am I doing to be a wise servant?
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What am I doing to build and lift and prepare the world for the second coming?
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That is my job.
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Like, no matter what circumstance or scenario that we are or aren't in, that's the goal.
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And we can do that in so many different ways, whether it's making peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for kiddos, whether it's sitting in boardroom tables and nurturing and guiding vision in certain ways, like it doesn't matter if the end goal is.
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That is so spot on.
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And looking at the time that we have as a gift, my daughter's 26 and she's single.
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And there's been times you go through those waves of like, I'm just so sick of this.
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And I'm like, our mantra is you got one more day and cue la miss, right?
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You got one more day, one day more because you've got another day to develop and become and be prepared for what the next phase is.
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But like you said, hearkening back to the transitions in this day and age with young adult men and women, things are so quick and Amazon delayed insane day that there's a feeling of if I'm not achieving that right now, if I don't have that right now, then something's wrong with me or it's not gonna ever come.
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And that is not the case.
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That, like you said, the long game, God is preparing us.
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And when we leave the one transition and get the thing we've been yearning for, we will miss things about that other role that we had.
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So be happy.
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It's that get you get what you get and you don't throw a fit, right?
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You just enjoy what you have.
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You touched on aha moments.
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And in your essay, My Renaissance God, you talk more about that, about how you aren't the victim to the scene, but you are rather the co-creator in your own personal narrative.
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Can you share a little bit more with us about the aha moments?
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Yes.
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Well, and it goes back to that.
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I mean, just this whole conversation is exactly that of realizing I'm building a toolkit for sure.
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I was an elementary school teacher, and that was one of the things that one of
my professors talked about of like, you have no idea what is going to happen in a classroom at any given moment when you are guiding 26, 35 kiddos at a certain time.
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You have to have a tool belt ready to go that you've got these tools that you're like, oh no, how do we mitigate this?
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And I feel like that's exactly what I've gained in so many of these experiences, and ahas of not being a victim in realizing I had an I had an aha in thinking, if I were to die today and to go home to my father in heaven, and he's like, Em, what did you do?
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What did you accomplish?
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And I was like, Well, I was waiting because I thought life happened with the marriage, like I thought success was marriage and family and having these babies, and I don't, I didn't have them.
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So I was waiting, and I could just I imagined this moment of my father being like, oh, sweetheart, like, shoot.
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I gave you all these years.
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You were the only one you had to take care of.
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You're the only one.
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You didn't have to worry about kids bullying your child.
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You didn't have to worry about if the pants were too small, you didn't have to worry about all these things.
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What are you doing with the time that it's just you that you're taking care of?
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Like, how are you creating something?
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How are you building something that is unique to what only you can create, sweetheart?
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Like, only you can create this.
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And you came back and said, You were waiting.
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I just like the I am my mom will testify.
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Disappointment is my is how I move.
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Like the the amount of disappointment I could feel in that moment of just turning and thinking about what my father would say if I came home and was like, I was waiting.
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And being like, so realizing I am a woman of God first and foremost, and that the meandering is powerful, yes, and that I have a God that will navigate the meandering.
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And the beautiful part, I love that we're in Old Testament again.
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I got to teach institute years and years ago with Old Testament, and I didn't know hardly anything, but my greatest aha was oh, God makes anything amazing out of the most crazy, illogical, bizarro situations.
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He makes, he makes miracles out of them.
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So it really doesn't matter where my path navigates to.
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If I'm owning it and choosing it and turning it to him, oh, he will, he will make a glorious.
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And then one other thought with that, a dear, dear friend of mine, he was the president of Magnolia when I got to work there.
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He pulled me to be his chief of staff, which was just such a gift.
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He loves athletics.
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He had a job in athletics and then added um agency that was supporting athletes.
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And then he was the president of Magnolia.
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I mean, just bizarre.
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And then from there, he became the president of a group that was a media group that was doing like Southern gentlemen.
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They were trying to bring back the Southern gentlemen and bought Field and Stream that like an old school magazine and trying to relive all this.
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And then he was asked to be the athletic director of Baylor University.
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And his comment of how, and in this season, right now, if you're familiar with the arena of sports right now, there's a lot of media endorsements.
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There's a lot of changing with the personalities of the athletes that is so bizarre and complicated from yesteryear's.
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And this friend of mine is perfectly poised because of the experiences he has had that made no sense whatsoever.
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But now make all the sense in the world of like, I've collected these experiences in the current bush analogy that is like such a mantra of my life.
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He's been cut back in painful ways at times.
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There's so much purpose in the cutting back of that current bush because God has such better fruit prepared that the energy has to go somewhere.
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And really, I'm not a victim.
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All these things, all these things are preparing me for who God knows I already am.
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Exactly.
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And for those listening, that's Hugh B.
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Brown.
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It's a quote on cutting back the current bush.
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And it's so profound because I love this sort of breadcrumb looking back.
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And then you can connect the dots.
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You can see the tools that he's put into that tool belt so that now you're prepared beautifully for the current experience that you wouldn't have even known how to prepare for.
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Right.
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And on that note, I want to tag along with that as well, with shifting the gear and making that trend between single and married.
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And you've talked a bit about that of like, wow, this is shifting, right?
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How have
you, when you compare how you've led before and then how you lead now, what what kind of skill or learning have you added on to your tool belt?
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Yeah.
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Well, I'll just add to just be very clear, all of the cutbacks and all the navigations are so painful.
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Like, I don't, I don't want to like skim over the depths of sorrow that happen in those changing of river courses and the cutting back of the current bush.
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Like they are.
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I had a therapist once teach me about a concept from a man named Cahil Gabron, who was an ape as philosopher, and he, and there's this book called The Prophet that he wrote with all these different philosophical commentaries, and he talks about joy and sorrow.
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And she talked about how she introduced me to his teachings that the deeper you allow sorrow to cut a well into your soul, it is that well in which the joy will be filled.
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So when you allow the sorrow to cut your soul, you actually are gaining capacity for the joy of life.
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I just want to pause and celebrate the soul-wrenching cutbacks and hurts and recourses.
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I love art history and I love Michelangelo and I love his sculpture of David.
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And I just can't not think about the forming of that.
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And there's some scriptures about we are, you know, the tabernacle of clay, and thinking, I feel like God molded me pretty, like I felt pretty good about the sculpture he created.
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And then at times he's like, Yeah, I don't like the arm there.
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And it just feels like this like whack off.
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And I'm like, okay, well, that was painful.
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We're cutting off limbs.
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So I say all that in context also to moving into marriage.
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In any of these courses and any of these different moves, there's a lot of sorrow and a lot of letting go and a lot of heartache going into marriage.
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That has been real.
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I didn't account for the amount of sorrow and mourning of my single life.
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And that's been fascinating to think that there needs to be a mourning season of my life alone because it was just me and God, and we were navigating it.
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And now I have this wonderful new person, but is so different as a person.
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Which goes to your question of the different tools of leadership.
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I've thankfully married a man who is a very humble learner and realizing that we can be very different individuals and yet have the same name and then ultimately have the same brand in some relationships.
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Like we now are a Burep brand in how we interact with the world.
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And that's tricky to allow him to be a person of his own right, and yet he's now a person associated with my brand.
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You know, I think our reputation, our brand of whoever we are.
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That's been a fascinating thing to navigate.
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I got to teach a and create a women's leadership course in the Alpine Stake where I grew up, and I was in the Sacred Leaf Society presency.
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And we realized the way we format formatted the course, there's leading in your own life, there was leading in relationships, and there's leading in organizations.
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And those categories have actually been so beautiful to reflect on now in a marriage and in a family.
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Because when I think of leadership, I think it is a forging a new path and being a space that people actually want to follow you into that new path.
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But there's a lot of solo pathing and forging and figuring that out to test the waters and scout it out and be like, oh yeah, there's actually water here.
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Come on over, come, come trust me.
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But in thinking about in a marriage, there are things that I have to forge differently as Emily Snyder.
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There are different conversations to forge and aspects of a new relationship that I still have to lead out and offer and create, as does Trent, because this is a new relationship for both of us.
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While he's been married before, his beautiful realization is like, but I've never been married to Emily Snyder.
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And so there are going to be new things that have to be created within that.
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And then how are we leading in organizations?
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And that includes in families, that includes in careers, and so different attributes.
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And I've realized I have a different role in all of those.
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And that is so vital to see that that's part of leadership.
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Leadership is that diamond, it's facets of it.
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And we don't just have one leadership style.
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You look at all the traits of the savior and how he embodied those so beautifully and knew when to do what.
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I know I'm in a relief society presence, and my counselor, she said the other day, I am this way at work.
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I have to be very, I do 17 meetings in a day and we're on it and we move to the next thing.
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But she said, when I come out of that door, she works from home.
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I have to switch my leadership style because I cannot be that way with my husband.
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And I said, that is wisdom because recognizing when to lead, when to yield, when to let go.
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And leadership is letting go, letting go so much control and being willing to let things unfold, letting it to be created together as a collaborative effort.
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Those are beautiful life lessons.
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I love how we're talking about pivoting.
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You know, you know how you have to know how to pivot between one experience, one journey to another.
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And can you share with us an experience of maybe when you felt cut short from something that you felt like you once were called to do, but then you had to learn to trust in God and that you found that there was greater purpose in God's timing and in your leadership?
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There's been a number of jobs that I felt that way of like, oh, there could have been this or the potential for something that could have been created, but didn't people have agency and people are growing and developing of their own right at certain times and seasons.
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And that may not have matched what my growth and development was.
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I may not have matched theirs, and and that's okay that that didn't quite sync up the way it could have if different pieces were aligned.
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But thank heavens we have an eternal game.
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And that, like, okay, great.
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My darling, he probably won't love that I called him darling, darling husband at our reception was like, and you are a collector of people.
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I was like, I am.
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That is such a fun way to phrase it.
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Because I just keep dreaming of what am I gonna create, what are we gonna do in the eternities?
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Like, what are the next things that I'm gonna be like, ooh, that skill set, ooh, that perspective, ooh, like what are we gonna create in some grand future moment where we can all come together?
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But maybe it's not right here, right now.
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Personally, I got to be an EFY teacher for a couple of years, and I distinctly remember driving home from a session from Rexburg, Idaho, and the current Bush mindset came and it was as clear as day of you're done.
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You're done teaching.
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And I love, I mean, EFY.
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EFY was where I became me.
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And I loved EFY and to participate and get to be a teacher and go back and speak and create environments.
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Like it was just my ultimate.
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And so to have this feeling of God being like, you're done.
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And if you do anymore, it's not going to be good.
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I mean, it was so clear.
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And I was like, what?
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And just trusting somehow it will come back.
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Like that is now a tool I have in my toolkit.
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I feel confident to do that.
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I'm going to trust that getting to work with young men and young women again, getting to teach and speak in such a facilitated way will come back again.
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But now I've got it.
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And I've got it in my toolkit.
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Another thing I was thinking about, I created an Instagram account called Why I Stay, which is really tricky in our church because we have why essays.
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And they're like, wait, does it?
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But I was really curious about inviting people to create a space and articulate why they choose to stay with God within our faith tradition, within other faith traditions, like, why?
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When so many people are leaving, why do we choose to stay?
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And I did it for a good long while, and I love it, and I still want to keep doing it.
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But times and seasons evolve and energy is spent in different places.
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And and that's okay.
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I've learned that the unfinished is never unfinished, and it was sufficient for a time and season.
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That can be my loaves and offering, my loaves and fishes that I put on the altar, and God will make good with it.
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And now I know some pieces and I know some new things that I can then add to future experiences.
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I love that phrase, sufficient for a season.
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I love that.
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He said it a couple of years ago, and that has stayed with me of just it's just for this season.
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And don't put any more import on it than that, that the Lord is going to have you here for a season, but don't get more attached than that because it's the Lord's plan.
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So just be able to take it, be present, and move forward.
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So let's let's kind of tag on to that with these leadership lessons that you've learned and these incredible opportunities, particularly with Magnolia and with Clayton M.
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Christensen.
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Amazing.
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So let's go to that if we can't.
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Let's go to Magnolia first.
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Can you share with us a leadership lesson and maybe an
experience where you learned it that was really powerful for you and has stayed with you?
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Yeah.
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Um a couple different ones, but um one that I keep that I think about and come back to over and over and over again.
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Okay, I'm giving you two.
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Never mind, I can't just do one.
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One thing I deeply love about Chip and Joanna is that they were thrust into the spotlight and into a world that they did not, they did not ask for, they did not seek out, and all of a sudden they found themselves in the spotlight and in the limelight, and all of a sudden it had to show up.
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And all of a sudden they were leading this huge organization because there were just people flocking.
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And they were like, How do we host?
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How do we take care of all these people coming to coming to Waco?
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How do we create these spaces that I feel like Joe in particular felt called because she has such a reverence for home and and raising families and how to do that where you don't have to sacrifice like the first thing that she first spot that she came to be known was she'd written a blog post about how you design a beautiful home with kids.
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And that that's where she first was seen and valued of like, oh, we don't eliminate the children in this beauty, in this beautification, we incorporate them, and they are the vital part of what we're creating in a home.
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And that just is so much of who she is and everything.
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But now all of a sudden she's she's making decisions with a whole team trying to help her make all these decisions.
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And two things that are fascinating to me, she often didn't know the answer, she just knew what wasn't the answer.
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And I've seen that play out over and over and over again with different leaders that I've interacted with who are held accountable to forge a new path.
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They may not know what the answer is, but they know what it's not.
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It simply is we've got to keep going, we've got to keep exploring.
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It's an all a creative process together.
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So I think that's a key one at Magnolia.
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Also, I learned in watching when designers would come up and ask her to make a choice.
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Do you want a green rug?
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Do you want a yellow rug?
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What rug do you want?
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If they didn't put it into context, it was always the wrong answer.
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If they didn't help remind her of, like, okay, remember, it's this house.
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Remember, this is the thing that's happening.
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She could never make the right choice.
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If she had the context, okay, right, this is the rug, no-brainer.
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Like so, on the flip side of not having the answer with the right context and putting all the people like this is happening, this is happening, this and happening.
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Okay, great.
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Now I can absolutely instantly make a decision.
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So that's been interesting for me to even going into this new home that I'm in, and us making the home that Trent was already in our home.
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I'm making design choices that are different.
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I'm making, we're talking about how to behave differently, like just different structures and rhythms.
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And understandably, everybody's like, why?
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Why?
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Why?
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And I'm like, I don't know.
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I need to give better context to what I'm asking.
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So you're part of the bigger vision with me.
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Yes.
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And I'm not just asking you, just get me the yellow rug.
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And they're like, Why the yellow?
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So those have been pretty powerful from a Magnolia lens.
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Are so good.
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And it makes me think of first and foremost, Present Nelson, where he said, good inspiration, information precedes good inspiration.
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Yeah.
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And it's true, the more you have to work with, the more you can dial down.
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And to the first point, we always say, uh we'll get it in the doing, right?
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That we get the framework, we get the scaffolding.
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And then it's almost like I liken it to the Lego movie where they're in the air and they're building the Lego as they go.
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And when you have good people who also are comfortable leading and yielding, you can get those pieces and you can put it together and you go, wow, look what we created together.
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And that's the point.
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That's why Second Father and the Savior talk so much about councils.
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And we do this as a gathering and we collaborate.
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So I love those leadership lessons.
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So good.
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Okay, let's jump really quickly to the Clayton Christensen experience.
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Leadership lessons there that you want to share.
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Yeah.
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So the beautiful part about how Clay taught at Harvard, the class that he taught is he had gathered a lot of different, he called them theories of life.
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And he would talk about they were basically like a set of eyeglasses.
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Each theory was a different set of eyeglasses on how you see the world.
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And so getting to have worked with him for almost six years, I went through the course so many times.
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And so I had pulled up just in preparation for this, thinking through like, what are, oh yeah, that's just embedded in how I live my life.
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That's embedded in how I live my life.
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One of them is exactly that Lego conversation as organizations and as people and as a leader, whether it's personally, relationally, or in organizations, how are you emerging?
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Are you in an emerging space?
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Is this a dialogue and a conversation that you want to be emergent and creative and collaborative?
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And what things are deliberate and absolutes?
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And this one and being, because I got the behind-the-door conversation so often, the deliberate reality of as a woman of God, what are my non-negotiables?
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What, where will I be very deliberate in my choices?
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And then where are my emergent conversations?
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And where will I allow the pathway to meander?
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But who am I going to be on that pathway?
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So those are very different conversations.
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And if they're flipped and saying, Well, this is my path, and who I be and how I'm going to show up on that path emerges, then you end up in a situation like one of his classmates that was in the Enron scenario, where you make choices because if your pathway is so determined and you are deliberate on your pathway, and what you stand for is emerging, then you make choices that may have consequences you weren't intending.
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Um the other thing, he had one about non-consumption.
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He is known for innovators' dilemma and solution and the father of disruption.
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And so much of that theory is people are going and getting too much and overwhelm consumers with too many options, too many bells and whistles at times.
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It's more complicated than what they can consume.
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And so a company will come in that that hasn't been explored before.
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There's non-consumption, people aren't consuming something in a new space, and they actually then become what people are interested in, like a crummy
car versus a super high-end souped out.
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It's like, okay, wait, I just need a car to go somewhere.
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That's a very complicated conversation.
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But I learned where are people not showing up as a person?
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So, in a non-consumption, who in this counseling and a team mindset, maybe I usually play this role on a team.
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Maybe I'm typically take this position in counsels or in conversations.
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But if that's already taken, then what spot isn't?
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For example, um, I did a lot of things for Clay.
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I was his right hand for so, so many years.
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As his health started declining, we needed more people.
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And he brought in a chief of staff to help sit in the meetings and actually like do the work from the meetings, not just all the behind-the-scenes stuff.
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When that new chief of staff came in, my job then got a little wonky because I was carrying everything and things that I loved about my job.
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This new chief of staff was doing the things I loved.
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And it felt really sad, like in the sorrow and the cutting.
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That was painful to be like, I guess I'm not needed there.
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Let me go back to some of the others' things.
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But then realizing this theory of saying, okay, so I've played in that seat before and I'm good at that seat.
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But there's some seats that aren't being paid attention to then.
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What else?
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Where can I show up and where can I give energy that maybe we haven't paid attention to before?
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And that was a really powerful reality for me of like, oh, I'm always needed.
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I just may need to move seats to be needed.
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Emily, you share so many powerful leadership tools and ideas that we can all apply into our own lives.
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I mean, such as pivoting and be able to accept change.
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And there's so many to list.
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But we want to ask you one final question that we ask all of our guests, and it is what does being born to lead mean to you?
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I love that question that you ask.
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And as I was thinking about it, again, my definition of leadership is forging new paths.
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I think that is an absolute as men and women of God.
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We all are given different parts of the vineyard that we are asked to figure out and to walk through.
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So I think
it's a spiritually understanding.
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I love the concept that God teaches that nothing is created physically without it being created spiritually.
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And that that reality of as soon as we understand who we are spiritually, that we truly are born to lead and be men and women of God, then the physicality aspects come of that.
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Then the tangible pieces come.
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But I have to know who I am first and foremost and know whose I am.
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And I have his backing.
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One of my all-time favorite talks is Neil A.
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Maxwell from 2000, April 2000, and it's called Content with What You Are Allotted.
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And it talks about how Elma wanted to be an angel and cry repentance to the whole world.
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And he says, in nine verses, he goes through this whole process of like, this is what I want to be, and this is what I get to do.
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Like, and the whole talk talks about how the size of the Sea of Galilee was no more than a couple of miles, and yet was a large enough stage to create miracles that have lasted a lifetime.
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It was large enough.
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The Garden of Gethsemane is such a small geographic space, but yet it is the space that provided the atonement for all of mankind.
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And thinking about being born to lead means nothing about the size of my followings, how what my job is, how much money I'm making, the number of parties I'm invited to, how many dates I go on.
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None of those things matter in the definition of who I am, because as men and women and daughters and sons of God, we are royal and we are regal and we have a call, and it is to prepare the world for the second coming.
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And we can do that in whatever time and season we are in, no matter how much we weigh, how much how cute our clothes are, how many people want to interact with us.
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Like we all have something to bring to the table.
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And I I know that with every part of me.
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Love that so much.
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And we have been so fed today.
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I love that.
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Sufficient for the season and meandering is purposeful and all of these beautiful pearls dropping.
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So thank you so much.
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I know people are going to want to reach out to you.
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What's the best way for them to connect with you?
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Oh, so kind.
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Instagram.
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Instagram's great.
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Snyder, I think my handle's Snyder M.
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Haven't changed it because I will always be a Snyder.
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You've just added on.
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We've just added on.
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Yes, yes, yes.
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Love it.
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And we will make sure and put that in the show notes.
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Thank you so much for spending this time with us today.
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It has been fantastic.
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Thank you.
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Until next time, knowing that you are born to lead, how will you live as leaders for him?