התמלול המלא של A Mid-Air Attack, Cornell's Frat House Lawsuit, and the White House Press Ban

on it. It appears that I'm not sure. Jeff, 39 00:02:09.819 --> 00:02:11.080 do you know where the plane took off from? I 40 00:02:11.099 --> 00:02:12.280 know it was heading to Israel. 41 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:14.319 I'm not sure. 42 00:02:14.340 --> 00:02:16.919 I want to say it was I know it landed 43 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:21.449 in Saudi Arabia. That was where they had the emergency landed. 44 00:02:21.610 --> 00:02:28.930 But yeah, it was seems to be almost 9-11-esque type situation. 45 00:02:29.550 --> 00:02:34.550 But targeting Israel this time. So not good, not good 46 00:02:34.569 --> 00:02:34.889 at all. 47 00:02:35.449 --> 00:02:39.620 Yeah, apparently what happened is the first officer, who typically 48 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:43.460 sits to the right of the pilot, attacked the pilot 49 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:47.379 and stabbed him a few times. I'm not exactly sure 50 00:02:47.460 --> 00:02:52.300 how the passengers were able to get in there to assist. 51 00:02:52.500 --> 00:02:54.909 Maybe the pilot was able to open the door. Because 52 00:02:54.969 --> 00:02:57.870 since 9-11, those doors are really hard to open with 53 00:02:57.909 --> 00:03:02.370 inside the plane. But somehow one in particular, one passenger 54 00:03:02.449 --> 00:03:07.169 in particular, I saw him getting greeted by Netanyahu. So 55 00:03:07.229 --> 00:03:11.680 he was able to, along with assistance of others, subdue 56 00:03:11.740 --> 00:03:15.000 this person who apparently wanted to kill the pilot and 57 00:03:15.020 --> 00:03:17.340 then crash the plane. That's kind of what the assumption is. 58 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:21.590 You know, just an interesting point here. A number of 59 00:03:21.650 --> 00:03:25.449 years ago in Europe, there was a suicide by plane, 60 00:03:25.490 --> 00:03:29.800 same way. One of the pilots had gone out to 61 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:34.509 use the restroom. The other one locked the enforced door 62 00:03:35.569 --> 00:03:38.969 and flew the plane into a mountain. So this is 63 00:03:39.069 --> 00:03:43.189 not unprecedented. Now, that was obviously a suicide. We can 64 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:45.240 only presume in this case that he was planning on 65 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:50.180 crashing it into something significant. So, yeah, that's what happened there. 66 00:03:50.819 --> 00:03:55.669 Yeah, I do kind of remember that. So, you know, 67 00:03:57.229 --> 00:04:00.530 after this 9-11 anniversary, I had been thinking about it 68 00:04:00.590 --> 00:04:06.639 a lot and how things just don't feel safe lately. 69 00:04:07.419 --> 00:04:10.680 And when I was flying to D.C. and back home, 70 00:04:11.379 --> 00:04:15.060 more so when I was flying to D.C., I... I 71 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:17.740 actually kind of was a little bit worried for the 72 00:04:17.779 --> 00:04:22.519 first time flying. And I don't know if that's reasonable 73 00:04:22.579 --> 00:04:25.689 or not, but I do. I do wonder if that's 74 00:04:25.730 --> 00:04:29.029

like a common fear people have started to have recently. 75 00:04:29.050 --> 00:04:32.490 And did you fly into Reagan? 76 00:04:33.110 --> 00:04:33.329 Yeah. 77 00:04:33.470 --> 00:04:34.170 Yeah. Yeah. 78 00:04:34.209 --> 00:04:36.589 So you're I mean, you're seeing all the monuments and 79 00:04:37.370 --> 00:04:38.470 you're right there in Arlington. 80 00:04:40.029 --> 00:04:40.250 Yeah. 81 00:04:40.269 --> 00:04:40.350 Yeah. 82 00:04:42.610 --> 00:04:46.089 I would say there is an uneasiness. I would say 83 00:04:46.129 --> 00:04:52.129 that it extends beyond airplanes. I can tell you, me personally, 84 00:04:52.410 --> 00:04:56.240 and I'm probably older than both of you, I can 85 00:04:56.519 --> 00:04:58.680 tell you through some of the crises that I've lived through. 86 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:01.459 During the 1980s, there was all the talk about World 87 00:05:01.500 --> 00:05:06.439 War III with Ronald Reagan and the then USSR. There's been, 88 00:05:06.459 --> 00:05:09.759 of course, 9-11. and a number of other things that 89 00:05:09.790 --> 00:05:12.310 have happened along the way. There was the terror attack 90 00:05:12.370 --> 00:05:17.189 that kind of launched domestic terrorism in the mid-1990s when 91 00:05:17.269 --> 00:05:19.089 the truck of fertilizer blew up in front of the 92 00:05:19.129 --> 00:05:21.790 federal building. And I can always tell you that I've 93 00:05:21.850 --> 00:05:25.370 always felt that the United States and the public at 94 00:05:25.449 --> 00:05:28.550 large was going to be okay, even through all that. 95 00:05:29.930 --> 00:05:35.209 In recent years, I've started to doubt how competent some 96 00:05:35.230 --> 00:05:38.529 of the leaders are And I've also started to doubt 97 00:05:39.230 --> 00:05:43.699 the power that the United States supposedly has. I know 98 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:47.939 that we often get referred to as the last remaining superpower. 99 00:05:47.980 --> 00:05:50.160 I'm not sure we're as super as we think we are. 100 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:53.920 I've noticed some holes. I've noticed some pretty big dents 101 00:05:53.980 --> 00:05:56.759 in the armor over the past couple of years. And 102 00:05:57.040 --> 00:06:01.370 I think it is something to be concerned about. And 103 00:06:01.490 --> 00:06:02.829 I think a lot of people are feeling that. 104 00:06:03.290 --> 00:06:06.370 Yeah, it just something seems uneasy. And I mean, it 105 00:06:06.790 --> 00:06:11.000 felt that way before even the the war with Iran. 106 00:06:11.379 --> 00:06:14.759 I felt like something was brewing before that even started. 107 00:06:14.779 --> 00:06:15.519 Yeah. 108 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:16.839 Do you feel like that, Jeff? 109 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:17.620 Yeah. 110 00:06:17.660 --> 00:06:20.660 I mean, you know, I go back to even, you know, 111 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:23.819 just over a year ago when when Charlie was killed, 112 00:06:25.490 --> 00:06:29.230 the sort of, you know, woke mind virus that's out 113 00:06:29.290 --> 00:06:34.250 there where, you know, kind of condoning these sorts of, 114 00:06:34.449 --> 00:06:38.689 you know, vile acts of, of terror, um, and applauding it. 115 00:06:39.029 --> 00:06:42.129 And just, I mean, thinking back to, you know, what 116 00:06:42.170 --> 00:06:45.209 it felt like on September 12th, you know, 25 years 117 00:06:45.269 --> 00:06:49.100 ago of the, you know, we're all kind of united as, 118 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:53.019 as one, um, you know, common cause. We love our country, 119 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:57.319 you know, that, uh, the whole never forget. Um, you know, 120 00:06:57.560 --> 00:07:02.870 we've certainly forgotten and looking at, uh, Just how our 121 00:07:02.930 --> 00:07:07.230 culture and society is now where we're, you know, more divided. 122 00:07:07.329 --> 00:07:11.670 And then, you know, the left has gone just off 123 00:07:11.730 --> 00:07:15.800 the crazy train on a whole host of issues. And, 124 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:21.019 you know, we're recording this, you know, T-minus, you know, 125 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:22.860 a handful of weeks away from Election Day. 126 00:07:22.879 --> 00:07:23.439 Yeah. 127 00:07:25.170 --> 00:07:29.850 Yeah, not not looking great for Republicans right now, at 128 00:07:29.910 --> 00:07:34.410 least if you want to believe the polls. But, you know, yeah, 129 00:07:34.550 --> 00:07:37.680 is what it is. But I really hope folks wake 130 00:07:37.779 --> 00:07:41.180 up and early voting is happening now in a lot 131 00:07:41.220 --> 00:07:43.779 of places, including where I am in Virginia. 132 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:46.120 And I've already voted. 133 00:07:47.019 --> 00:07:47.199 Yeah. 134 00:07:47.579 --> 00:07:52.100 But yeah, it's it's it's just wild to think, you know, 135 00:07:52.259 --> 00:07:55.050 what the the you know, choices are that we have. And, 136 00:07:55.069 --> 00:08:00.029 you know, we're stretched thin across the globe between, obviously, 137 00:08:00.089 --> 00:08:04.670 the Iran situation and Ukraine and Russia still going on. 138 00:08:04.750 --> 00:08:08.449 And, you know, there's hot spots all over the globe. 139 00:08:09.269 --> 00:08:13.420 Yeah, I guess there's nothing we can do but see 140 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:16.480 what happens, I guess. Vote and see what happens. 141 00:08:17.259 --> 00:08:18.300 It's true. 142 00:08:20.490 --> 00:08:24.069 All right. The Cornell story. Billy, you brought that to 143 00:08:24.110 --> 00:08:26.870 my attention. So I'm going to go ahead and let 144 00:08:26.910 --> 00:08:32.840 you talk about that and kind of what you learned 145 00:08:32.860 --> 00:08:33.549 through it. 146 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:38.820 Sure. I broached the subject on one of my recent 147 00:08:38.860 --> 00:08:43.220 podcast episodes. At the time, it was just, you know, developing. 148 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:48.340 Now that a few days have gone by, it appears 149 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:51.730 this is it in

a nutshell. In 2024, Jane Doe 150 00:08:53.809 --> 00:08:59.070 went to this frat house. I'm not sure if this 151 00:08:59.110 --> 00:09:02.190 was part of the actual frat system back then. My 152 00:09:02.250 --> 00:09:04.129 understanding is they've been kicked out. 153 00:09:04.750 --> 00:09:04.909 Okay. 154 00:09:04.929 --> 00:09:11.029 Okay. But some of this is going to get pretty blue, 155 00:09:11.090 --> 00:09:18.470 but here we go. She met, she apparently got voluntarily inebriated. 156 00:09:18.509 --> 00:09:20.110 She got inebriated on her. 157 00:09:22.110 --> 00:09:22.179 Own. 158 00:09:22.190 --> 00:09:26.960 And she was on campus, somewhere around campus, met up 159 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:29.860 with a guy that she found to be pretty attractive. 160 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:35.840 And he suggested a threesome. And at this point they 161 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:39.700 went to this house and they began a threesome. Now 162 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:42.320 here's where you have to, you have to watch. I 163 00:09:42.340 --> 00:09:44.879 want to be very clear about this. This is all developing. 164 00:09:46.139 --> 00:09:50.289 There's two reports. There's the one that the campus police 165 00:09:50.350 --> 00:09:54.269 did two years ago. And that's the kind of the 166 00:09:54.470 --> 00:10:01.940 one that the prosecutor looked at. Now my, a lot 167 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:04.600 of things went wrong here. But one of the things 168 00:10:04.639 --> 00:10:07.220 that kind of stood out to me is the prosecutor 169 00:10:07.500 --> 00:10:10.179 at the time, two years ago, took the report that 170 00:10:10.210 --> 00:10:14.820 the campus police filed and Now, apparently the campus police 171 00:10:14.899 --> 00:10:18.129 are quote unquote real police, but in all honesty, they 172 00:10:18.169 --> 00:10:22.159 don't have the training and the extensive background that regular 173 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:26.399 police have. and certainly not in sexual crimes and stuff. 174 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:31.360 So I think the prosecutor relied too much on that 175 00:10:31.419 --> 00:10:35.440 initial report. And if the initial report is available, you 176 00:10:35.460 --> 00:10:36.919 can find it, I believe the New York Times or 177 00:10:36.940 --> 00:10:40.240 somebody like that put it out. If you read through it, 178 00:10:40.539 --> 00:10:43.120 there's not a whole lot that would indicate, quote unquote, 179 00:10:43.419 --> 00:10:46.740 what we normally think of as rape. Now, with that 180 00:10:46.779 --> 00:10:51.820 being said, as this night went on, according to the 181 00:10:52.379 --> 00:10:56.389 civil lawsuit, which was filed recently, and that's how this broke. 182 00:10:57.110 --> 00:11:00.029 The civil lawsuit was filed by Jane Doe, and this 183 00:11:00.090 --> 00:11:03.909 was actually picked up by the Cornell student paper, which 184 00:11:04.029 --> 00:11:06.350 is not apparently financed by Cornell. 185 00:11:07.269 --> 00:11:08.529 Okay.

186 00:11:08.549 --> 00:11:11.919 And the story broke. Now, this is like 100 pages, 187 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:16.720 much longer than the initial report that the campus police 188 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:19.700 put in and that the prosecutor looked at. As this 189 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:23.299 became available, the prosecutor, from what I understand now, is 190 00:11:23.340 --> 00:11:27.279 taking a second look at this case. A couple of issues. 191 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:32.350 There's a lot more in the second report than the first. 192 00:11:32.549 --> 00:11:36.289 So the question becomes, where was this information? Was this 193 00:11:36.309 --> 00:11:39.440 something that was overlooked by the campus police? Was this 194 00:11:39.500 --> 00:11:44.990 something that... You know, for whatever reason was suppressed. Was 195 00:11:45.049 --> 00:11:49.269 it ineptitude or as civil lawsuits go? And just being honest, 196 00:11:49.309 --> 00:11:51.629 I know the feminists get mad when you point these 197 00:11:51.669 --> 00:11:55.159 things out. But when somebody sues somebody, naturally they make 198 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:57.980 the case seem as bad as possible because they're going 199 00:11:58.100 --> 00:12:02.940 after you. So you have an incomplete case. what appears 200 00:12:02.980 --> 00:12:05.580 to be an incomplete report done initially by the campus 201 00:12:05.620 --> 00:12:10.340 police to go on. And then you have this civil lawsuit, 202 00:12:10.500 --> 00:12:13.620 which of course is designed to look as bad as possible. 203 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:17.019 So we don't have an independent investigation here. We don't 204 00:12:17.059 --> 00:12:18.639 have something to look at. Like I know a lot 205 00:12:18.679 --> 00:12:20.620 of people were following the Clancy trial. Well, you had 206 00:12:20.659 --> 00:12:24.940 an investigation. You had people that were giving testimony, sworn testimony. 207 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:27.379 They were being cross-examined. And then you could make a 208 00:12:27.419 --> 00:12:31.870 more educated opinion. You don't have that with this so far. Now, 209 00:12:31.970 --> 00:12:33.889 a lot of people jumped on this and ran with 210 00:12:33.950 --> 00:12:38.909 it and said that this was something more. And here again, 211 00:12:38.929 --> 00:12:41.990 now back to the story. She's with two men in 212 00:12:42.029 --> 00:12:47.389 the room. A number of sexual activities went on, including, 213 00:12:47.529 --> 00:12:55.070 I believe, snorting, as blue as this sounds, snorting ketamine 214 00:12:55.190 --> 00:13:00.399 off of one of the men's penis. Now, as this 215 00:13:00.460 --> 00:13:04.629 went on, Well, actually, at this point, I think everybody 216 00:13:04.700 --> 00:13:07.980 agrees she got tired. She just wanted to talk. They 217 00:13:08.019 --> 00:13:11.899 left her alone. The night went on. More people came in. 218 00:13:12.620 --> 00:13:16.080 More inebriation. I can only presume drugs, but who

knows? 219 00:13:16.419 --> 00:13:22.090 Certainly alcohol was involved. And these things progressed through the night. 220 00:13:23.940 --> 00:13:25.559 One of the things that really fired up a lot 221 00:13:25.580 --> 00:13:29.320 of people is one of the young men involved made 222 00:13:29.340 --> 00:13:32.399 a text. And here again, being blue, this was what 223 00:13:32.440 --> 00:13:36.250 was said, a free pussy in this room. OK. The 224 00:13:36.269 --> 00:13:38.610 context of that, we're not sure. Was it just a 225 00:13:38.690 --> 00:13:41.570 crude remark or was he inferring that there was a 226 00:13:41.610 --> 00:13:44.509 woman here that was incapacitated and you can come up 227 00:13:44.549 --> 00:13:48.730 and take advantage of her? So that is where that 228 00:13:48.809 --> 00:13:54.409 is all coming from the second, the actual lawsuit. This 229 00:13:54.490 --> 00:13:58.769 information is all coming from that. Now, and in my 230 00:13:58.809 --> 00:14:05.269 analysis of this, you know, first and foremost, you know, 231 00:14:05.409 --> 00:14:10.149 I always say believe victims because in the past and 232 00:14:10.250 --> 00:14:14.409 probably still, When a woman makes an accusation, when I 233 00:14:14.450 --> 00:14:16.450 say believe victims, and when most people say it, most 234 00:14:16.509 --> 00:14:18.860 reasonable people say it, we don't mean try and convict 235 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:22.320 the people involved. Just don't ignore it. Don't blow it off. 236 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:25.960 Because that's happened many times. You know, there's a city 237 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:29.120 council member who's really popular in town, and he gets 238 00:14:29.179 --> 00:14:31.440 accused of raping a woman who's drug addicted and has 239 00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:34.620 a record. Nobody's going to believe her. And he gets 240 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:39.039 away with it. Okay. So I think I like the 241 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:42.529 fact that they started a second investigation. And this is 242 00:14:42.570 --> 00:14:44.649 going to be done by the prosecutor's office. So that 243 00:14:44.690 --> 00:14:47.100 means real investigators are going to be looking at this. 244 00:14:47.750 --> 00:14:50.919 And that's probably what should have happened in the first place. Now, 245 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:54.919 with that being said, that there's a lot that we 246 00:14:54.940 --> 00:14:57.919 don't know about here. She did text and this was 247 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:00.019 not part of the one of the reports, as far 248 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:01.799 as I know. But she did text one of the guys. 249 00:15:01.860 --> 00:15:04.549 They had an exchange. One guy said, hey, look. I 250 00:15:04.590 --> 00:15:06.870 don't really remember what happened last night. Hope things didn't 251 00:15:06.889 --> 00:15:10.549 get out of control. You know, I hope you're okay. And, 252 00:15:10.570 --> 00:15:13.429 you know, it was a wild party. And she said, oh, 253 00:15:13.470 --> 00:15:16.240 her exact words in the text were nothing illegal happened, 254 00:15:16.269 --> 00:15:19.320 but it did get out of control. Okay. That was 255 00:15:19.379 --> 00:15:24.820 in the text from what I understand. So you have 256 00:15:24.860 --> 00:15:29.639 this alleged situation now where she's saying that there was 257 00:15:29.659 --> 00:15:34.389 a actual rape going on that this was done either 258 00:15:34.409 --> 00:15:37.870 while she was incapacitated or she was just being you 259 00:15:37.889 --> 00:15:42.549 know steamrolled into doing this um you know it's it's 260 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:45.320 hard to sift through this type of stuff let me 261 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:48.200 i'm gonna make a break there let me just say 262 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:52.279 this as as a commentary in general i'm somebody who 263 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:54.610 worked in nightclubs for many many years i was a 264 00:15:54.639 --> 00:16:00.000 stand-up comedian i was a disc jockey And I got 265 00:16:00.009 --> 00:16:02.440 to tell you, I think the nightclub, the bar community 266 00:16:02.460 --> 00:16:05.919 gets a bad rap. I, over the years, have met 267 00:16:06.019 --> 00:16:08.519 thousands of people in the 20 years that I did that, 268 00:16:10.110 --> 00:16:14.549 most of whom worked very hard through the week. They 269 00:16:14.629 --> 00:16:17.509 took care of their kids. They're under a lot of pressure. 270 00:16:17.549 --> 00:16:20.080 They're trying to do the best they can. And it 271 00:16:20.120 --> 00:16:22.840 was their thing to look forward to Friday night to 272 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:25.289 go out for a night of dancing, have a few drinks, 273 00:16:25.470 --> 00:16:28.830 meet people, gossip with your friends and have a good time. 274 00:16:28.850 --> 00:16:31.220 That's the majority of people that I knew of that 275 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:33.440 worked in bars. But there is a bad element there. 276 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:37.659 And I always tell people, you know, bad things happen 277 00:16:37.779 --> 00:16:41.899 in bad places. I always tell people, you know, if 278 00:16:42.019 --> 00:16:45.230 you're dating online or if you're dating in a bar, 279 00:16:45.769 --> 00:16:48.049 you don't go to someone's house the first time you 280 00:16:48.110 --> 00:16:50.490 have an exchange with them online. And if you meet 281 00:16:50.509 --> 00:16:51.950 them in a bar, you don't go home with them 282 00:16:51.990 --> 00:16:54.250 for the first time at 1.30 in the morning. Make 283 00:16:54.309 --> 00:16:57.529 these people earn your trust. And I can understand being 284 00:16:57.590 --> 00:16:59.409 young and being attracted to people and all that. I 285 00:16:59.450 --> 00:17:02.129 was that at one time too. But there's a difference 286 00:17:02.169 --> 00:17:05.630 between being reckless and enjoying life when you take a 287 00:17:05.690 --> 00:17:10.000 calculated risk. And making people earn your trust, learning a 288

00:17:10.039 --> 00:17:14.200 little bit about them while you're both sober is very, 289 00:17:14.299 --> 00:17:18.480 very important. And I know the feminists get mad when 290 00:17:18.539 --> 00:17:24.150 you say that these bad situations arise and I understand 291 00:17:24.210 --> 00:17:26.710 people should not do bad things. People should not steal. 292 00:17:26.769 --> 00:17:29.490 People shouldn't speed. They shouldn't do a lot of things. 293 00:17:31.049 --> 00:17:33.470 But the fact of the matter is, is that I'm 294 00:17:33.529 --> 00:17:38.349 saying this to anyone, a male, female, whatever. You know, 295 00:17:38.369 --> 00:17:40.109 you go home with somebody you just met in the 296 00:17:40.130 --> 00:17:43.579 middle of the night. Obviously, there's a chance of an assault. 297 00:17:44.380 --> 00:17:46.799 And even with men, you don't know what situation you're 298 00:17:46.819 --> 00:17:49.000 going to walk into. You could get rolled. You could 299 00:17:49.019 --> 00:17:51.519 be robbed. You could wake up without a kidney. 300 00:17:51.539 --> 00:17:51.839 Right. 301 00:17:53.299 --> 00:17:56.339 There's a lot that can happen. You know, so don't 302 00:17:56.380 --> 00:17:58.660 put yourself... It's just like if I tell Jeff, hey, Jeff, 303 00:17:58.769 --> 00:18:01.380 you know, that's a real bad road to be going down. 304 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:03.710 I know you're going to save time going home, but 305 00:18:03.789 --> 00:18:05.849 take the long way home because it's a lot safer. Now, 306 00:18:05.890 --> 00:18:10.289 Jeff goes down there and he gets mugged. Obviously, he 307 00:18:10.329 --> 00:18:13.309 didn't deserve it. Obviously, the people that did that to 308 00:18:13.349 --> 00:18:16.930 him deserve... need to be arrested and punished. But you 309 00:18:17.009 --> 00:18:19.210 are putting yourself in a situation where you are at 310 00:18:19.289 --> 00:18:25.190 higher risk. And... I've been on college campuses when I 311 00:18:25.230 --> 00:18:27.549 was young. I didn't actually, I was never remember. I 312 00:18:27.609 --> 00:18:29.809 didn't say it, stay at a, at a dormitory. I 313 00:18:29.849 --> 00:18:32.660 was off campus. And then eventually I started my business 314 00:18:32.700 --> 00:18:35.380 and I ended up getting involved in technical work. So 315 00:18:35.420 --> 00:18:37.079 I went a little different direction, but I was on, 316 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:39.759 and I can tell you there's you're on, you're, you're, 317 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:42.269 you're on some of these off, especially the, the ones 318 00:18:42.289 --> 00:18:45.359 that are just off campus. And I was invited to 319 00:18:45.420 --> 00:18:47.500 some of these parties. And this was the 1980s. Coke 320 00:18:47.539 --> 00:18:50.059 was everywhere. I don't mean the pop. It was everywhere. 321 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:55.710 Cocaine was everywhere. Drugs were everywhere. Promiscuous sex was everywhere. 322 00:18:55.730 --> 00:18:58.349 I basically

told myself, I got to get the hell 323 00:18:58.410 --> 00:19:01.170 out of here. I was afraid there was going to 324 00:19:01.190 --> 00:19:03.279 be a drug raid or something. I had too much 325 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:06.529 to lose. I had a lot going on. But as 326 00:19:06.609 --> 00:19:09.670 a police officer or an investigator, how do you can 327 00:19:09.690 --> 00:19:14.269 you sort through that after the fact? Nobody, everybody's stoned 328 00:19:14.289 --> 00:19:17.589 out of their minds. Nobody knows what can remember anything. 329 00:19:18.059 --> 00:19:21.079 Nobody remembers how they got there. How can you investigate 330 00:19:21.160 --> 00:19:23.019 something that happened at one of these things? 331 00:19:23.660 --> 00:19:24.240 Yeah. 332 00:19:24.299 --> 00:19:28.970 Where do you even begin? So it's a mess. And 333 00:19:29.529 --> 00:19:31.589 for my money, and I said this during my podcast 334 00:19:31.609 --> 00:19:32.750 and I got a lot of grief for it, but 335 00:19:32.769 --> 00:19:35.519 I'll say it again. I really think that the college system, 336 00:19:35.599 --> 00:19:38.599 as we know, it needs to be revamped. And this 337 00:19:38.660 --> 00:19:42.599 is one of the reasons. I don't doubt that predators 338 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:44.940 are on college campuses because they can get away with 339 00:19:44.980 --> 00:19:46.470 a lot of stuff because mom and daddy got a 340 00:19:46.490 --> 00:19:48.210 lot of money to send them to these places. So 341 00:19:48.230 --> 00:19:51.160 they have access to lawyers. Parents don't really blame their 342 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:53.779 kids for anything, even when they do the most goddamn 343 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:57.410 weirdest fucked up things you can think of. There's always 344 00:19:57.430 --> 00:20:00.990 their precious little kids that have to be defended at 345 00:20:01.049 --> 00:20:07.069 all costs. And these colleges have become indoctrination centers. And 346 00:20:07.309 --> 00:20:09.849 they're not. And what's worse is these kids are coming 347 00:20:09.890 --> 00:20:13.509 out of school, out of these schools. They don't know shit. 348 00:20:13.569 --> 00:20:16.109 They want to get hired into a CEO position with 349 00:20:16.170 --> 00:20:18.390 no experience just because they went to a fancy school. 350 00:20:18.890 --> 00:20:21.009 They want to change the culture of the company. They 351 00:20:21.029 --> 00:20:24.609 want to do everything but actually work. OK, so for 352 00:20:24.650 --> 00:20:26.559 my money, I think we can get rid of it. 353 00:20:27.049 --> 00:20:29.309 And people say, well, don't some people need an education? Yeah, 354 00:20:29.349 --> 00:20:31.210 they need an education, but they don't need college education. 355 00:20:31.910 --> 00:20:34.230 If you want to become a doctor, there's no reason 356 00:20:34.269 --> 00:20:37.680 that you can't graduate from high school, go into a 357 00:20:37.779 --> 00:20:42.410 two-year pre-med program. and then go to medical school. Why 358 00:20:42.730 --> 00:20:45.809 are we making all these doctors get these traditional and 359 00:20:45.890 --> 00:20:50.650 take what, media theory and all this bullshit, social studies 360 00:20:50.670 --> 00:20:53.269 and all this crap. They're wasting all this money and 361 00:20:53.289 --> 00:20:55.269 all this time when they could be getting trained and 362 00:20:55.309 --> 00:20:58.369 get their asses into the system that much quicker. I'm 363 00:20:58.410 --> 00:21:01.630 tired of these colleges. I'm tired of these fiascos like 364 00:21:01.650 --> 00:21:05.089 we're hearing about at Cornell. It's a mess. No matter 365 00:21:05.130 --> 00:21:09.269 how you dissect it, it's an absolute mess. The allegations, 366 00:21:09.309 --> 00:21:12.309 the number of allegations that have come out now of Cornell, 367 00:21:12.329 --> 00:21:15.309 the numbers are, I can't even begin to tell you 368 00:21:15.329 --> 00:21:19.190 how high they are. And at the same time, if 369 00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:22.960 Jeff wanted to go and talk about his conservative ideals 370 00:21:23.039 --> 00:21:28.420 at Cornell, the campus police would throw his off out 371 00:21:28.440 --> 00:21:31.319 of there in two minutes. But somehow or other, these 372 00:21:31.420 --> 00:21:33.140 assaults go by and nobody notices. Right. 373 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:34.079 Yeah. 374 00:21:34.539 --> 00:21:37.289 So, yeah, that's my spiel on that. And you can 375 00:21:37.309 --> 00:21:40.750 all send the hate to Billy Dees. Don't send it 376 00:21:40.789 --> 00:21:41.109 to me. 377 00:21:44.059 --> 00:21:46.519 Well, I have some stuff to say later that might 378 00:21:46.960 --> 00:21:49.339 get me some hate mail, but I'll let Jeff weigh 379 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:50.559 in on this a bit first. 380 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:54.569 Yeah, I mean, as Billy mentioned, you know, it's it's 381 00:21:54.609 --> 00:21:58.990 a developing story. But, you know, I think the kind 382 00:21:59.069 --> 00:22:05.230 of drunken high debauchery, you know, the moral decay, all all, 383 00:22:05.309 --> 00:22:06.990 you know, wrong place, wrong time. 384 00:22:07.730 --> 00:22:10.119 Lots of illegal things were obviously happening. 385 00:22:11.269 --> 00:22:16.430 Uh ali substances were you know uh being shared and 386 00:22:16.869 --> 00:22:22.730 uh you know it it definitely you know coming as 387 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:26.059 a kind of political consultant you know i i think 388 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:29.000 back to you know the duke lacrosse case or uh 389 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:32.720 what they you know tried to do with kavanaugh of 390 00:22:32.980 --> 00:22:36.410 you know the believe all women and then it's You know, 391 00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:41.380 a case of like the Duke lacrosse, you know, men now, 392 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:45.019 but boys at the time, like were completely innocent. And 393 00:22:45.059 --> 00:22:47.589 it wasn't until they were in their 30s

that like. 394 00:22:50.259 --> 00:22:53.259 the true story came out that it was all made up. Now, 395 00:22:53.359 --> 00:22:56.240 this doesn't seem like it was made up, obviously, but. 396 00:22:56.319 --> 00:23:00.910 No, bad things happen. Allegedly. We just don't know what yet. Right. 397 00:23:01.109 --> 00:23:05.390 But it's sort of like a what in the world? You're, again, 398 00:23:05.430 --> 00:23:10.160 putting yourself in these positions that you shouldn't possibly be 399 00:23:10.299 --> 00:23:14.240 in uh and just hearing some other you know analysis 400 00:23:14.299 --> 00:23:18.089 of it uh as far as the you know legality 401 00:23:18.210 --> 00:23:22.809 versus you know what's ethically and morally wrong like seems 402 00:23:22.849 --> 00:23:25.769 like there was a lot of ethically morally wrong on 403 00:23:25.930 --> 00:23:30.720 all sides including all these guys that were clearly you 404 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:37.859 know taking advantage uh of a very drunk and high female. 405 00:23:38.539 --> 00:23:44.809 But why is it now that she's anonymous and now 406 00:23:44.849 --> 00:23:52.230 we're doxing all the men or boys? They're all assuming 407 00:23:52.269 --> 00:24:00.000 well past 18, so men. They're completely publicly known now. 408 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:00.640 Yes. 409 00:24:01.519 --> 00:24:05.519 But only time will tell what actually comes out and 410 00:24:05.700 --> 00:24:09.680 with a full investigation and media scrutiny. But again, I 411 00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:14.680 know Billy had mentioned, you know, we just went through 412 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:22.440 the whole Clancy ordeal where, you know, the one lone 413 00:24:22.460 --> 00:24:26.289 juror that, you know, stood up for sanity, I think, um, 414 00:24:27.710 --> 00:24:30.690 like got completely doxed to a point where like, would 415 00:24:30.730 --> 00:24:32.690 you want to be on a jury anymore? Like, and 416 00:24:32.769 --> 00:24:35.670 actually try to do, you know, what you feel is right, 417 00:24:35.859 --> 00:24:40.940 or just succumb to the public pressure of, uh, you know, of, 418 00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:44.059 you know, what the culture and, and, you know, Hollywood 419 00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:47.279 and whatever, you know, the mass media in general is 420 00:24:47.299 --> 00:24:51.240 trying to kind of push a verdict, uh, in the 421 00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:54.839 court of public opinion versus, you know, actually having a, a, 422 00:24:55.900 --> 00:25:03.579 a legit judicial process, investigation, trial, all that. And again, 423 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:07.319 being the kind of Republican consultant, you know, seeing the 424 00:25:07.359 --> 00:25:11.779 weaponization of the Justice Department against, you know, President Trump 425 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:15.220 while he was out of office between terms, you know, 426 00:25:15.490 --> 00:25:18.890 you have to kind of question the like, well, what 427 00:25:19.230 --> 00:25:23.890 is actual like, justice is supposed to be blind, but 428 00:25:23.970 --> 00:25:28.140 now it's sort of become sort of wherever the wind 429 00:25:28.160 --> 00:25:34.410 takes it of whatever the media or celebrities say it is, 430 00:25:34.750 --> 00:25:37.029 is what They want you to believe. 431 00:25:37.150 --> 00:25:39.089 So I don't know what to think. 432 00:25:39.170 --> 00:25:44.569 It's just– even as Billy was kind of hitting the 433 00:25:44.690 --> 00:25:47.069 main points of the story, I'm like, yeah, this is 434 00:25:47.109 --> 00:25:47.869 all pretty awful. 435 00:25:48.930 --> 00:25:51.309 It all is, yeah. I was listening– I know this 436 00:25:51.369 --> 00:25:54.230 is a controversial figure, but I was listening– There was 437 00:25:54.289 --> 00:25:57.569 a clip of Nick Fuentes going around and he does 438 00:25:57.609 --> 00:26:00.519 have a good delivery. And he's back there. You know, 439 00:26:00.579 --> 00:26:04.599 we really deserve God's wrath. There's all these people there. 440 00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:08.680 They're drunk. They're high. They're having sex. They're snorting ketamine 441 00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:12.960 off of penises. He goes, let's just get rid of 442 00:26:13.019 --> 00:26:18.519 them all. Yeah. yeah that's all that's all that's true that's. 443 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:23.109 True right right yeah I um so the things that 444 00:26:23.289 --> 00:26:26.910 I noticed with it was um you know I went 445 00:26:26.950 --> 00:26:29.829 back to school in my in my 30s I graduated 446 00:26:29.890 --> 00:26:33.250 at like 33 or 34 and then my nephew started 447 00:26:33.369 --> 00:26:37.380 at the same college the following semester after I graduated 448 00:26:38.210 --> 00:26:42.339 and um they would make us take these courses every 449 00:26:42.380 --> 00:26:46.130 year on um I don't know what it was called, 450 00:26:46.170 --> 00:26:48.529 like sexual encounters. And the big thing that they say 451 00:26:48.609 --> 00:26:53.009 is if you are intoxicated, you cannot make your own decisions. 452 00:26:54.250 --> 00:26:58.289 Here's my thing that irks me about that is if 453 00:26:58.369 --> 00:27:02.670 a male and a female are intoxicated, why so often 454 00:27:02.750 --> 00:27:08.930 is the male found guilty of sexual assaults when he 455 00:27:09.130 --> 00:27:13.089 also was incapacitated, he all, or maybe not incapacitated, but 456 00:27:13.150 --> 00:27:15.869 he also thinking was, yes. 457 00:27:16.329 --> 00:27:16.670 Right. 458 00:27:17.329 --> 00:27:20.170 And, um, there, I used to get so many campus 459 00:27:20.230 --> 00:27:28.359 alerts about, um, about a sexual assault or sexual mishap. Uh, like, okay. 460 00:27:28.730 --> 00:27:30.660 You know, you were talking about after the bars, you take, 461 00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:34.839 you take somebody home. If you're a female taking a 462 00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:40.829 man home, um, to hang out that man is reasonably 463 00:27:40.990 --> 00:27:43.410 thinking that maybe

something else is going to happen and 464 00:27:43.470 --> 00:27:47.599 vice versa so a lot of these sexual assault occurrences 465 00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:52.599 that we would get alerts for were one student would 466 00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:56.829 take another student home a kiss maybe had occurred they 467 00:27:56.869 --> 00:27:59.619 kicked him out of their dorm and that and that's 468 00:27:59.660 --> 00:28:04.529 suddenly a sexual occurrence or, um, even one of my coworkers, 469 00:28:04.549 --> 00:28:07.250 a bunch of guys were running through the women's storms 470 00:28:08.009 --> 00:28:10.069 and they were just saying, Hey, Hey, Hey, like they 471 00:28:10.089 --> 00:28:12.390 just weren't supposed to be there. And a bunch of 472 00:28:12.410 --> 00:28:15.970 them got questioned about it. So maybe my, the school 473 00:28:16.029 --> 00:28:19.220 I went to takes it a little bit more seriously. Um, 474 00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:24.000 because they are questioning things, but I do think that 475 00:28:24.059 --> 00:28:27.640 colleges might like to sweep things under the rug, especially 476 00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:31.369 if they're a fraternity or sorority where they're bringing in 477 00:28:31.420 --> 00:28:36.150 more students to attend. They're not going to want the, 478 00:28:36.569 --> 00:28:40.069 what do they call it? Like rape culture within fraternities. 479 00:28:40.150 --> 00:28:43.009 Like they don't want that. They don't want their college 480 00:28:43.089 --> 00:28:46.450 to look like that. So I could see them, trying 481 00:28:46.470 --> 00:28:55.660 to downplay the situation at Cornell. But where are the parents? 482 00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:59.829 Because I remember when my nephew did go to college, 483 00:29:00.349 --> 00:29:04.029 my sister specifically told him, you need to understand that 484 00:29:04.069 --> 00:29:07.619 if you're out drinking... There may be a girl that 485 00:29:07.700 --> 00:29:10.359 wants to do something with you that night and the 486 00:29:10.420 --> 00:29:14.450 next day will realize that will regret it. And then 487 00:29:14.509 --> 00:29:18.849 your life is ruined. So he, you know, and that 488 00:29:18.869 --> 00:29:21.269 sounds scary, but it's the truth. And I'm not blaming 489 00:29:21.309 --> 00:29:23.849 the girl. Again, it's vice versa, but I'm talking about 490 00:29:23.869 --> 00:29:27.920 my nephew. So if he was drinking, he was at 491 00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:31.200 his apartment playing cards with his friends. There were no 492 00:29:31.299 --> 00:29:36.740 strangers there. It was just something he wanted to avoid entirely. Now, 493 00:29:37.059 --> 00:29:38.789 I feel like females get a little bit of a 494 00:29:38.849 --> 00:29:41.069 different talk or should be receiving a little bit of 495 00:29:41.109 --> 00:29:44.700 a different talk hey If you're going out and you're 496 00:29:44.740 --> 00:29:48.039 making these decisions to be drinking and doing drugs in 497 00:29:48.059 --> 00:29:51.019 the middle of the night with other people drinking and 498 00:29:51.059 --> 00:29:55.720 doing drugs late at night, you are inviting something bad 499 00:29:56.029 --> 00:29:58.349 to happen to you. That doesn't mean you deserve it, 500 00:29:58.789 --> 00:30:03.069 but you are putting yourself in a risky situation, putting 501 00:30:03.089 --> 00:30:07.099 yourself at risk for something to become a victim. And 502 00:30:07.299 --> 00:30:10.240 I don't think people are taking enough responsibility for their 503 00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:13.039 own actions, really. And I'm not trying to victim blame 504 00:30:13.339 --> 00:30:16.460 the Cornell, the Jane Doe from Cornell. I'm just saying 505 00:30:16.500 --> 00:30:18.519 in general, just speaking in general. 506 00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:21.869 I can tell you one of my good friends, he 507 00:30:22.089 --> 00:30:23.970 just passed away here a few months ago, but he 508 00:30:24.009 --> 00:30:26.049 and I had a conversation about this a long time ago. 509 00:30:26.069 --> 00:30:29.289 And he was a really good influence on me. And 510 00:30:29.329 --> 00:30:31.269 one of the things he said when we were both single, 511 00:30:31.309 --> 00:30:34.089 this was years ago, you know, that he wouldn't have 512 00:30:34.130 --> 00:30:37.809 sex with a woman for the first time. When she 513 00:30:37.849 --> 00:30:42.099 was drunk for this very reason. Now, he didn't drink. 514 00:30:42.339 --> 00:30:44.880 I didn't drink. Neither one of us ever used drugs. So, 515 00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:47.700 I mean, I think the best way to go is 516 00:30:47.900 --> 00:30:52.670 don't do that to yourself. Don't do drugs. It's one 517 00:30:52.690 --> 00:30:56.569 thing I know that the that the socially drinking is accepted. 518 00:30:56.789 --> 00:30:58.990 I frankly don't even like that. But I mean, that's 519 00:30:59.410 --> 00:31:03.170 that's that's up to the individual. Mm hmm. I can 520 00:31:03.230 --> 00:31:07.099 tell you that once you've established a sexual relationship with someone, 521 00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:11.359 let's say you're, you know, you've had a boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever, 522 00:31:11.380 --> 00:31:16.799 for years. Or possibly you're married and it's your birthday. 523 00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:20.359 So you go out and you have a good time 524 00:31:20.660 --> 00:31:22.920 and you both get sauced up and you come home 525 00:31:22.980 --> 00:31:25.279 and you have sex and everything. That's fine. That's an 526 00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:29.829 established relationship. It's different when you just meet someone because 527 00:31:29.849 --> 00:31:32.930 you have no idea what that person is like normally, 528 00:31:32.950 --> 00:31:36.789 especially when they're intoxicated. You have no idea what that 529 00:31:36.829 --> 00:31:39.190 person is about. You have no idea what that person's 530 00:31:39.230 --> 00:31:42.079 intentions are. It's just not a good idea, even if 531 00:31:42.099 -->

00:31:46.220 you're dating someone, when you're first initiating your first sexual contact, 532 00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:49.559 to be doing it when one of you is incapacitated. 533 00:31:50.019 --> 00:31:52.740 It is just not a good idea to do that. 534 00:31:53.380 --> 00:31:55.380 And I know that would be like telling people, I 535 00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:57.779 might as well be talking to the wall because I 536 00:31:57.819 --> 00:32:00.359 know people that are hearing this, especially if you're in 537 00:32:00.420 --> 00:32:03.819 college age, it don't mean shit. But it really is. 538 00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:06.859 My friend gave me good advice, and I think it's 539 00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:07.539 very sound. 540 00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:11.859 Yeah, I agree. That's a good way to go about things, 541 00:32:12.500 --> 00:32:14.930 to protect yourself and to protect the person you're with. 542 00:32:15.730 --> 00:32:17.630 Yeah. And I can understand if you've been married a 543 00:32:17.650 --> 00:32:19.849 long time, it might be that you both have to 544 00:32:19.890 --> 00:32:21.029 get drunk before you do things. 545 00:32:23.099 --> 00:32:24.720 Got to spice things up a little bit sometimes. 546 00:32:25.460 --> 00:32:25.799 Yeah. 547 00:32:28.630 --> 00:32:31.730 Yeah, I guess we'll see what happens with this. Is 548 00:32:31.750 --> 00:32:33.470 there anything else you guys wanted to talk about with 549 00:32:33.509 --> 00:32:35.529 the Cornell situation? 550 00:32:36.309 --> 00:32:38.579 Now, to put a cap on it, obviously, it's all 551 00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:43.740 alleged right now. If you want to research it, it's online. 552 00:32:43.779 --> 00:32:45.599 The initial report's online if you want to find it. 553 00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:49.000 The lawsuit is online if you find it. It's all 554 00:32:49.019 --> 00:32:51.400 alleged right now. And here, again, to sort through this, 555 00:32:52.029 --> 00:32:54.009 like I said, you're going to have some juicy readings. 556 00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:59.519 And it's very hard to sort through at this point. 557 00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:04.190 And like I said, it's just unfortunate. Bad decisions all 558 00:33:04.210 --> 00:33:04.670 the way around. 559 00:33:05.410 --> 00:33:07.769 Yeah. Did you have anything else, Jeff? 560 00:33:08.509 --> 00:33:12.769 No, I echo what Billy just said. Just very sad 561 00:33:12.849 --> 00:33:13.779 situation all around. 562 00:33:14.490 --> 00:33:16.839 Yeah. One of the things that I thought about, and 563 00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:19.119 I don't think it really applies to this case because 564 00:33:19.180 --> 00:33:23.039 I know it happened in 2024. I saw something happened 565 00:33:23.140 --> 00:33:25.460 in 2025 and then this is 2026. So I feel 566 00:33:25.500 --> 00:33:29.460 like this has been somewhat ongoing. But other cases, like 567 00:33:29.509 --> 00:33:32.410 you mentioned with Trump and the E. Jean Carroll case. 568 00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:37.109 any of these

cases where a woman five years later 569 00:33:37.190 --> 00:33:41.009 is like, Oh, this person assaulted me 10, 15, 20 570 00:33:41.009 --> 00:33:45.859 years later, we need to start drawing a line. I mean, 571 00:33:45.890 --> 00:33:49.119 there's no evidence to prove that it happened by then. 572 00:33:49.299 --> 00:33:53.519 It's there. A line needs to be drawn on whether 573 00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:56.960 we're going to pursue some of these, these cases. I've, 574 00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:00.720 thought that there was a statute of limitations out there. 575 00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:04.059 I don't know from state to state. It may vary. 576 00:34:04.420 --> 00:34:07.069 I can tell you here again, I will defend the 577 00:34:07.109 --> 00:34:12.909 female feminist community in this regard, especially with child essay. 578 00:34:14.269 --> 00:34:16.349 It can be years before those memories come back. And 579 00:34:16.369 --> 00:34:18.750 a lot of times they say the average is 50. 580 00:34:18.750 --> 00:34:21.039 So it can be a long time because of the 581 00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:25.050 trauma suppression that your brain goes through. Now, that does make, 582 00:34:26.380 --> 00:34:29.219 you know, for a very difficult case to process, to 583 00:34:29.260 --> 00:34:33.719 prosecute and process or prosecute. One of the things that 584 00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:36.710 is very dangerous in these situations are what are called 585 00:34:36.750 --> 00:34:39.809 false memories. And you had mentioned the Kavanaugh case. And 586 00:34:39.829 --> 00:34:43.369 when I was checking out some of the testimony of that, 587 00:34:43.409 --> 00:34:47.230 I was wondering about this. False memories are very real 588 00:34:48.030 --> 00:34:51.929 in a situation like this. For example, a false memory 589 00:34:51.969 --> 00:34:53.559 can be something like if you're on your way to 590 00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:55.739 work and we've all had it. If you're on your 591 00:34:55.780 --> 00:34:57.820 way to work and you say to yourself, I got 592 00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:00.719 to put that report in my briefcase because that presentation 593 00:35:00.780 --> 00:35:03.880 is this morning. And, you know, you get a call 594 00:35:03.940 --> 00:35:06.230 from somebody and you're busy and you're running behind and 595 00:35:06.250 --> 00:35:07.989 you're getting dressed, you're brushing your teeth, you're doing that, 596 00:35:08.010 --> 00:35:10.010 you run out the door. You go to work, you 597 00:35:10.050 --> 00:35:11.570 open your briefcase and it's not in there. And you 598 00:35:11.590 --> 00:35:13.949 say to yourself, I could have swore I put that 599 00:35:14.010 --> 00:35:16.099 in there. And that's because when you thought about it, 600 00:35:17.190 --> 00:35:19.789 you visualized it and it got filed away as a 601 00:35:19.829 --> 00:35:25.610 false memory. And if you've ever been around somebody, if 602 00:35:25.630 --> 00:35:28.010 you go to family reunions and things like that,

sometimes 603 00:35:28.030 --> 00:35:32.849 those stories are told so often. that over time, people 604 00:35:32.889 --> 00:35:35.650 will say, well, I remember that. You weren't there. And 605 00:35:35.670 --> 00:35:38.190 they get into an argument. That's because they heard that 606 00:35:38.250 --> 00:35:40.469 story so many times and they visualized it so many times, 607 00:35:40.489 --> 00:35:44.599 they actually placed themselves there. So in some of these cases, 608 00:35:44.619 --> 00:35:48.000 especially where trauma is involved, you know, you can very 609 00:35:48.139 --> 00:35:52.920 easily have a situation where, let's say, a person belongs 610 00:35:52.940 --> 00:35:55.920 to a certain fraternity. Something bad happened 20 years ago. 611 00:35:57.139 --> 00:36:00.760 And all of a sudden, The victim sees this person 612 00:36:00.980 --> 00:36:03.590 on TV and says, oh, that's one of the people 613 00:36:03.630 --> 00:36:07.829 that assaulted me. But that's not exactly what happened. Yeah. 614 00:36:08.230 --> 00:36:11.360 So it can be very difficult to sort through all that. 615 00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:13.929 And I don't know what the right answer is. Because 616 00:36:14.150 --> 00:36:15.829 you do have to be aware of the fact that 617 00:36:16.289 --> 00:36:19.789 trauma suppression in the brain is very real. And I 618 00:36:19.909 --> 00:36:21.670 don't know what the solution is, but we do have 619 00:36:21.710 --> 00:36:24.090 to be aware of it. Sometimes it's hard to piece 620 00:36:24.110 --> 00:36:27.070 together an investigation that's old, but sometimes it's possible. Sometimes 621 00:36:27.110 --> 00:36:30.119 it's possible. It just depends. If you have other eyewitnesses, 622 00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:33.679 you know, obviously video evidence, things like that, that you 623 00:36:33.699 --> 00:36:36.820 can prove that a person was actually there. Sometimes you 624 00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:38.420 have a stronger case, but it just depends. 625 00:36:39.329 --> 00:36:43.110 Yeah, I guess if there's actual evidence of it and then, yeah, because, 626 00:36:43.230 --> 00:36:46.050 I mean, you don't want to not believe somebody who 627 00:36:46.090 --> 00:36:49.900 talks about something years later. You know, this is something 628 00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:52.460 that comes up with the Epstein is like, if you're 629 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:56.119 accusing someone powerful, you're going to be too scared to 630 00:36:56.219 --> 00:36:58.599 mention it unless you've got people on board with you. Yep. 631 00:37:01.309 --> 00:37:05.190 you know, the false memory thing. I, I, to this 632 00:37:05.250 --> 00:37:07.530 day do not know if I saw a bear driving 633 00:37:07.809 --> 00:37:10.150 on the highway, which is not a thing you see 634 00:37:10.570 --> 00:37:14.090 in Iowa. Like I, I have this memory of driving 635 00:37:14.769 --> 00:37:19.150 home and seeing a bear off the highway and thinking like, Oh, 636 00:37:19.889 --> 00:37:22.369 it's

a bear doing over there, you know? And yeah, 637 00:37:24.070 --> 00:37:27.030 like later thinking like, okay, but bears aren't around here. 638 00:37:27.170 --> 00:37:28.869 And now I don't know if I dreamt it or 639 00:37:28.909 --> 00:37:32.489 if it really happened. I mean, there are rare bear sightings, 640 00:37:32.630 --> 00:37:34.190 but yeah, I have no idea if that was a 641 00:37:34.210 --> 00:37:38.190 real memory or not. I'll never know. 642 00:37:38.210 --> 00:37:41.739 The same neurons fire either way. So you gotta be careful. 643 00:37:44.820 --> 00:37:46.679 So we were talking about Lindsay Clancy a little bit 644 00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:50.119 in the juror and the, the whole juror thing is 645 00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:54.590 something that confuses or concerns me. Like I, All right. 646 00:37:55.010 --> 00:38:00.389 Is is her lawyer getting sued for any? I feel 647 00:38:00.409 --> 00:38:03.349 like I saw that he's facing some possibly facing some 648 00:38:03.389 --> 00:38:06.849 sort of repercussions. I cannot believe it is legal for 649 00:38:06.909 --> 00:38:10.360 him to do and say what he's doing against that 650 00:38:10.429 --> 00:38:14.679 loan juror. And this is a mess. I cannot believe 651 00:38:14.699 --> 00:38:17.920 this is happening because one of you two alluded to 652 00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:20.900 like people are going to be too afraid to serve 653 00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:21.880 on the jury pool. 654 00:38:22.739 --> 00:38:26.460 Yeah, I mean, I would just say, yeah, it's, you know, 655 00:38:26.539 --> 00:38:30.219 the whole idea of, you know, jury intimidation, you know, 656 00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:33.019 that used to be something, you know, you know, the 657 00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:35.710 in like mob movies and stuff like that. 658 00:38:37.050 --> 00:38:39.469 But now it's it's the court of public opinion. 659 00:38:39.550 --> 00:38:41.969 So if you don't go along with, you know, what 660 00:38:42.309 --> 00:38:45.269 and just the whole way that that trial kind of 661 00:38:45.289 --> 00:38:51.440 transpired of, you know, the media circus of it all. 662 00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:54.460 And I'm like, it wasn't like thinking back to like, 663 00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:57.469 you know, the OJ Simpson trial, like that jury at 664 00:38:57.510 --> 00:39:01.769 least like had been sequestered. Uh, and, and in this case, 665 00:39:02.010 --> 00:39:07.789 like they were obviously had full access to media and were, 666 00:39:07.809 --> 00:39:11.489 you know, listening and consuming, you know, you know, everything 667 00:39:11.530 --> 00:39:12.780 going on online. 668 00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:16.079 Um, I don't even know how that. 669 00:39:15.940 --> 00:39:22.820 Could possibly like, like how, uh, the legal system could 670 00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:26.579 go about it that way where it's supposed to be 671 00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:32.349 a fair, unbiased jury. And clearly, um, you know, just 672 00:39:32.809 --> 00:39:37.159 hearing the, it's wild where these other jurors have become, 673 00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:40.000 you know, celebrities in their own right, uh, you know, 674 00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:42.800 going on the media circuit and saying just the most 675 00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:48.369 asinine things, um, you know, Yeah. Say what you will, like, 676 00:39:48.389 --> 00:39:52.690 you know, the everything doesn't have to be a murder mystery, 677 00:39:52.809 --> 00:39:57.190 like the whole, you know, conspiracy of of the husband. 678 00:40:00.409 --> 00:40:03.809 being the real killer. And I'm like, that wasn't actually 679 00:40:03.929 --> 00:40:07.929 any of it. The case was like, was she insane 680 00:40:08.309 --> 00:40:11.940 or was she not? That was the crux of it. 681 00:40:11.969 --> 00:40:15.579 It wasn't the whodunit. It was very clear that she 682 00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:18.659 was the one that murdered her three children and then 683 00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:22.260 jumped out the window. I'm like, in my opinion on 684 00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:24.840 that one, no matter what, she needs to be removed 685 00:40:24.860 --> 00:40:30.099 from society. She cannot be you know uh yeah left 686 00:40:30.940 --> 00:40:34.000 uh to you know walk among or i guess you 687 00:40:34.019 --> 00:40:37.000 know she's paralyzed so roll amongst uh. 688 00:40:38.420 --> 00:40:39.380 Uh the rest of us. 689 00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:41.559 Yeah it's awful. 690 00:40:42.889 --> 00:40:46.469 Yeah it is yeah yeah um did you guys hear 691 00:40:46.489 --> 00:40:50.510 about the sunny hostin thing. 692 00:40:49.329 --> 00:40:51.269 Yeah she you mean about what she said about the 693 00:40:51.309 --> 00:40:54.059 cornell or is this something else. 694 00:40:54.539 --> 00:40:57.300 She was she made the claim that she was the 695 00:40:57.400 --> 00:40:59.519 lone juror. 696 00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:00.190 That's another one that's another one she. 697 00:41:00.090 --> 00:41:02.530 Did okay that's been debunked right. 698 00:41:04.010 --> 00:41:06.849 I didn't follow that I know that people were questioning 699 00:41:06.909 --> 00:41:09.480 it that she couldn't have been because of where she 700 00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:11.900 lived or something and then she couldn't have been a 701 00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:14.460 part of well let's tell the audience what you're alluding 702 00:41:14.500 --> 00:41:17.739 to there was a case years ago that she was 703 00:41:17.780 --> 00:41:21.989 the holdout for somebody who cannibalized her. It was something weird, 704 00:41:22.030 --> 00:41:22.380 wasn't it? 705 00:41:22.949 --> 00:41:26.349 Yeah, he killed a woman. I can't remember if he 706 00:41:26.389 --> 00:41:29.489 knew her or not. And then cut her up, cooked her, 707 00:41:29.769 --> 00:41:32.630 and made her body into soup and gave it to 708 00:41:32.670 --> 00:41:33.269 homeless people. 709 00:41:33.289 --> 00:41:34.489 Yeah, okay, that was it. 710 00:41:38.179 --> 00:41:40.800 But what I was seeing was Sunny

was saying she 711 00:41:40.820 --> 00:41:44.059 was the lone juror because she was holding out because 712 00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:48.820 he was... mentally unfit to be found guilty. You know, 713 00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:52.579 not guilty of every reason of insanity is what she, 714 00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:55.539 I believe, was claiming. She was the holdout juror. Claimed 715 00:41:55.579 --> 00:41:57.960 somebody threw a chair at her in the process because 716 00:41:57.980 --> 00:42:00.030 they were so mad because she was the holdout juror. 717 00:42:00.489 --> 00:42:03.630 And then she posted like an article. But in the article, 718 00:42:03.670 --> 00:42:06.250 it says the lone holdout juror was a male. 719 00:42:06.269 --> 00:42:09.309 Hmm. Interesting. Okay. 720 00:42:10.090 --> 00:42:10.369 Yeah. 721 00:42:10.429 --> 00:42:10.610 Nice. 722 00:42:12.090 --> 00:42:12.949 That shows crazy. 723 00:42:13.190 --> 00:42:13.670 Yeah. 724 00:42:13.690 --> 00:42:14.010 Yeah. 725 00:42:14.429 --> 00:42:18.730 You know, to echo what Jeff said, you can't have 726 00:42:19.150 --> 00:42:21.250 jurors being intimidated. And here again, this is a whole 727 00:42:21.309 --> 00:42:23.309 nother subject. I've talked about this on the podcast. I 728 00:42:23.329 --> 00:42:26.289 think the time has come for professional juries, which is 729 00:42:26.329 --> 00:42:29.980 a whole nother thing, in my opinion. The jury system, 730 00:42:30.659 --> 00:42:33.460 you can't have a jury of your peers anymore because 731 00:42:33.500 --> 00:42:38.639 everybody's dumb as shit. So you got to get somebody, 732 00:42:38.659 --> 00:42:42.030 you know, like another line that I always like is 733 00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:45.599 that's the problem with the With the judicial system, you're 734 00:42:45.619 --> 00:42:48.300 tried by 12 people who weren't smart enough to get 735 00:42:48.340 --> 00:42:54.679 out of jury duty. And that's true. It's a joke, 736 00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:57.489 but it is true. And that's why we're getting some, 737 00:42:57.769 --> 00:43:00.590 you know, you got somebody that fixed lawnmowers in the jury. 738 00:43:01.139 --> 00:43:04.380 You got somebody who's working in the brassiere department over 739 00:43:04.420 --> 00:43:07.920 in Victoria's Secret. And in the meantime, the judge is 740 00:43:07.980 --> 00:43:10.760 an attorney. The defense is an attorney. The prosecutor is 741 00:43:10.780 --> 00:43:13.659 an attorney. You're calling in all these expert witnesses that 742 00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:16.010 are talking about DNA. And these are the people that 743 00:43:16.030 --> 00:43:19.590 are up there listening to it. And they're, they've been 744 00:43:19.690 --> 00:43:23.510 weaned on programs like crime dramas and now social media 745 00:43:23.550 --> 00:43:26.429 with all these, uh, true crime podcasts and all this 746 00:43:26.489 --> 00:43:29.670 other stuff. It's not how really, how evidence really works 747 00:43:29.750 --> 00:43:31.869 or process. None of it is right. Right. 748 00:43:32.050 --> 00:43:32.250 Right. 749 00:43:32.510 --> 00:43:34.829 Um, so, um, I think the time has come for 750 00:43:34.889 --> 00:43:37.780 professional juries and, uh, that would, that would head off 751 00:43:37.820 --> 00:43:40.539 a lot of this. Yeah. Yeah. 752 00:43:40.579 --> 00:43:42.820 I think you, Billy hit it right on the head. 753 00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:46.019 Uh, as far as the, you're not getting a jury 754 00:43:46.059 --> 00:43:52.059 of your peers, uh, The whole idea of no matter 755 00:43:52.099 --> 00:43:55.150 what the trial is, whether– I mean the other more 756 00:43:55.190 --> 00:43:57.429 recent one where I think the jury got it right 757 00:43:57.550 --> 00:44:00.320 of the Carmelo Anthony trial. case and it was like 758 00:44:00.469 --> 00:44:04.039 you know the again the the media attention of it 759 00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:07.619 all wanted they wanted the verdict to be like no 760 00:44:07.659 --> 00:44:10.469 of course you know the the black kid was the 761 00:44:10.590 --> 00:44:14.489 innocent one i was like he stabbed someone like legitimately 762 00:44:14.710 --> 00:44:17.489 like killed someone like pulled the knife out and like 763 00:44:17.550 --> 00:44:24.670 no one's disputing that um and But then, you know, 764 00:44:24.710 --> 00:44:28.440 the whole thing, you know, goes around and around and around. 765 00:44:28.500 --> 00:44:32.820 And it's like, well, OK, well, we live in a 766 00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:37.760 fallen world and bad things happen. And, yeah, we yeah, 767 00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:41.980 it's it's near impossible to get, you know, a, you know, 768 00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:43.340 fair trial. 769 00:44:44.539 --> 00:44:46.679 With this being the kind of, you know, lay of 770 00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:47.300 the land situation. 771 00:44:47.769 --> 00:44:51.989 Yeah, I was kind of thinking about how these documentaries 772 00:44:52.030 --> 00:44:56.489 that they make and throw on Netflix, it seems to 773 00:44:56.570 --> 00:45:00.239 sway public perception quite a lot. And a lot of 774 00:45:00.260 --> 00:45:05.699 them are meant to convince in a certain way that 775 00:45:05.739 --> 00:45:09.679 might not be the truth. And, you know, I almost 776 00:45:09.739 --> 00:45:12.519 wonder if... But I don't know if this is like 777 00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:13.920 a First Amendment issue as well. 778 00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:14.920 Like. 779 00:45:15.849 --> 00:45:19.050 should you be allowed to make content like that about 780 00:45:19.090 --> 00:45:24.159 a case if it's not gone through trial? Do you 781 00:45:24.179 --> 00:45:25.840 think that would be a First Amendment issue? 782 00:45:25.860 --> 00:45:28.079 You know, I think you're going to get a lot 783 00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:32.119 of the kind of dramatization and all the first one 784 00:45:32.139 --> 00:45:34.000 that I can think of that was all the kind 785 00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:38.420 of viral, you know,

rage was the Making a Murderer 786 00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:41.840 when that came out on Netflix. And then Like, I 787 00:45:41.860 --> 00:45:44.460 watched it. That's not really my genre, but that was, like, 788 00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:50.159 the show. But then after the fact, like, you know, 789 00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:55.099 you find out that, like, there were giant, like, just 790 00:45:55.179 --> 00:45:58.679 glaring holes in the case that, you know, doesn't make 791 00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:03.369 for good TV because it, you know, is very black 792 00:46:03.409 --> 00:46:06.369 and white what actually happened. But they need to have 793 00:46:06.409 --> 00:46:09.730 that kind of mystery. I was like, look, you know... 794 00:46:10.900 --> 00:46:14.380 there's a fine line between you know the fiction and 795 00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:16.519 uh non-fiction. 796 00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:18.760 And now it's kind of the blur blurred line um. 797 00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:23.460 And so yeah i mean i don't know where that 798 00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:26.929 kind of you know weaves into you know our constitutional 799 00:46:26.989 --> 00:46:30.710 rights there uh to you know a lot of it 800 00:46:30.809 --> 00:46:34.750 is you know dramatization uh whether it's you know the 801 00:46:34.789 --> 00:46:38.170 cop shows or you know any of the the legal 802 00:46:38.389 --> 00:46:45.179 ncis type shows uh or, you know, based on real situation, but, 803 00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:47.510 you know, obviously exaggerated. 804 00:46:47.630 --> 00:46:47.929 So, yeah. 805 00:46:49.130 --> 00:46:52.469 Yeah, it's, you know, to the point Billy was making 806 00:46:52.489 --> 00:46:55.789 earlier of like, that's the jury pool that ultimately you're 807 00:46:55.809 --> 00:46:58.889 going to get is people. And, you know, we joked 808 00:46:59.010 --> 00:47:03.920 before Click and Record on Candace Owens. And I'm like, 809 00:47:03.980 --> 00:47:06.059 she's now made a career of the like, I'm. 810 00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:07.059 Just asking questions. 811 00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:07.800 Like, is it? 812 00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:08.139 Yeah. 813 00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:11.500 And I'm like, yeah, but you're you're deliberately doing it 814 00:47:11.579 --> 00:47:15.920 just for the clicks and the money. And like, she's 815 00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:20.489 very talented and persuasive. uh you know to the you 816 00:47:20.530 --> 00:47:25.869 know unknowledgeable um so you know the fact that you 817 00:47:25.889 --> 00:47:30.679 know you go from you know the she was you 818 00:47:31.019 --> 00:47:33.559 know in the case of candace she was like the 819 00:47:33.579 --> 00:47:37.219 you know conservative talking head you know on daily wire 820 00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:39.389 and then had a falling out and then you know 821 00:47:39.409 --> 00:47:43.960 has has gone you know just complete you know uh 822 00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:49.800 whatever whatever uh whatever she can do to remain relevant 823 00:47:50.690 --> 00:47:55.510 um and uh but that's you know that's how the 824 00:47:55.550 --> 00:47:57.610 media has always been and now that we've got you 825 00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:02.159 know i mean we're recording a podcast uh So like 826 00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:03.840 everyone is trying to. 827 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:06.619 You know, do, do something and get their name out there. 828 00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:10.739 Um, you just would hope that it would be for 829 00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:14.590 the right reasons and actual real content, asking real questions, 830 00:48:14.630 --> 00:48:18.909 having real conversation versus the, like, I know this is false, 831 00:48:18.989 --> 00:48:21.829 but if I say it in this way, more people 832 00:48:21.869 --> 00:48:24.489 will click and I'll get more advertising money. 833 00:48:25.650 --> 00:48:25.989 Right. 834 00:48:26.570 --> 00:48:26.780 Right. 835 00:48:27.380 --> 00:48:31.300 Yeah. Yeah. What do you think, Billy? Do you think, uh, 836 00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:37.110 That people should be allowed to dramatize like criminal cases 837 00:48:37.170 --> 00:48:38.909 before it's finished. 838 00:48:40.110 --> 00:48:42.389 I think with like, you know, like the word alleged 839 00:48:42.610 --> 00:48:46.530 this and that, I think the proper disclaimers are probably warranted. 840 00:48:46.550 --> 00:48:50.369 I think it would be hard to step in and 841 00:48:50.409 --> 00:48:52.380 try to regulate that because it's very hard to know 842 00:48:52.409 --> 00:48:53.159 what the truth is. 843 00:48:53.179 --> 00:48:54.320 Yeah. 844 00:48:54.340 --> 00:48:57.809 You know, in these situations, I mean. uh you know 845 00:48:57.829 --> 00:49:00.860 we like candace owens all right let's let's suppose i 846 00:49:01.030 --> 00:49:02.980 i tweeted something like i uh as far as i'm 847 00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:05.420 concerned candace owens is the one that shot charlie kirk 848 00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:09.840 okay all right um okay i'm just asking a question 849 00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:12.889 just asking a question you know all right well i 850 00:49:12.969 --> 00:49:16.619 am just asking a question But how can anybody refute that? 851 00:49:17.579 --> 00:49:22.119 I mean, really. I mean, if Einstein was here right now, 852 00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:25.880 if we reincarnated Einstein, he could not prove that Santa 853 00:49:25.900 --> 00:49:30.469 Claus doesn't exist. He really couldn't. Okay. If you're going 854 00:49:30.550 --> 00:49:32.829 to make a case for something, you have to show 855 00:49:32.949 --> 00:49:36.989 evidence for it and then prove it. And something that's 856 00:49:37.010 --> 00:49:39.699 built on conjecture, there's no limit to what you can say. 857 00:49:40.260 --> 00:49:44.840 There's absolutely no limit. So I don't know that that 858 00:49:44.860 --> 00:49:47.900 can be really that tightly regulated, to be honest with you. Yeah. 859 00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:52.239 Yeah, I kind of figured that. All

right. What do 860 00:49:52.260 --> 00:49:57.469 you guys think about Trump banning CNN, Politico and MSNOW 861 00:49:57.590 --> 00:49:59.909 from the White House while we're on the topic of 862 00:49:59.929 --> 00:50:00.730 the First Amendment? Yeah. 863 00:50:01.289 --> 00:50:03.150 I mean, I'll let Billy go on that one. 864 00:50:03.260 --> 00:50:09.340 Okay. The First Amendment is probably one of the most 865 00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:14.500 misunderstood things. It gets thrown out there a lot. And 866 00:50:14.579 --> 00:50:17.159 I think one of the biggest misconceptions is that people 867 00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:20.849 have is, well, I can say this. The First Amendment 868 00:50:20.909 --> 00:50:23.610 is like a shield. I could go out into the 869 00:50:23.650 --> 00:50:26.210 public and say whatever I want. And that is absolutely 870 00:50:26.250 --> 00:50:30.139 not true. In most cases, the First Amendment provisions will 871 00:50:30.179 --> 00:50:34.340 not protect you. What it is, first and foremost, is 872 00:50:34.590 --> 00:50:40.460 the government passing laws saying, I don't like what Jeff 873 00:50:40.500 --> 00:50:44.860 talks about, so Jeff cannot talk in public. That's what 874 00:50:44.940 --> 00:50:49.289 protects the public in terms of the First Amendment. And 875 00:50:49.309 --> 00:50:53.829 that's pretty much it. Now, when you get to the 876 00:50:53.889 --> 00:50:57.300 press room at the White House, Not allowing a given 877 00:50:57.340 --> 00:51:00.239 person in there isn't telling them they can't say whatever 878 00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:02.489 they want. It's just saying you can't come in this room. 879 00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:05.239 And if you really want to be pragmatic about it, 880 00:51:05.929 --> 00:51:09.230 there's thousands upon thousands of journalists in the country that 881 00:51:09.250 --> 00:51:11.010 would love to be in that room and they're not 882 00:51:11.070 --> 00:51:13.820 in there. So what are we going to do? Have 883 00:51:13.860 --> 00:51:18.119 the ballroom open so that, you know, people from every 884 00:51:18.179 --> 00:51:19.929 town and every state can be in there from all 885 00:51:19.949 --> 00:51:25.730 the press. You can't accommodate them all. So you're only 886 00:51:25.750 --> 00:51:30.500 allowing a small fraction of the representative media outlets into 887 00:51:30.539 --> 00:51:34.269 that room to begin with. And if they're consistently asking 888 00:51:35.769 --> 00:51:40.130 questions that either have been asked and answered many times 889 00:51:40.210 --> 00:51:46.559 before and they're consistently disrupting the flow of the press 890 00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:50.440 conferences– I don't see it as a violation. They can 891 00:51:50.500 --> 00:51:52.570 stand outside the White House and say all the bullshit 892 00:51:52.590 --> 00:51:55.989 that they want. There's nothing stopping them from doing it. Right. 893 00:51:56.570 --> 00:51:59.190 So here again, we can't let everybody in the press corps. 894 00:51:59.269 --> 00:52:01.730 So why not keep a few people out and let 895 00:52:01.750 --> 00:52:04.550 some others in? And by the way, I think that 896 00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:07.940 the time for our kind of media, whether it be 897 00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:10.699 podcasting and some of this independent journalism now, it has 898 00:52:10.739 --> 00:52:14.250 to start getting recognized. I mean, you You know, like 899 00:52:14.269 --> 00:52:18.440 the guy who, his name escapes me right now, exposed 900 00:52:18.460 --> 00:52:20.949 all that fraud in Minnesota. 901 00:52:21.389 --> 00:52:21.909 Nick Charlie. 902 00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:26.079 Nick Shirley, perfect example. And look what California did. California 903 00:52:26.119 --> 00:52:30.340 passed that, to me, as a violation. That's exactly what 904 00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:33.800 the First Amendment is supposed to protect against. They're telling 905 00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:37.360 him he can't say anything in California about the fraud there. 906 00:52:37.750 --> 00:52:40.349 That's exactly what the First Amendment is supposed to be 907 00:52:40.389 --> 00:52:41.570 protecting you for. 908 00:52:42.070 --> 00:52:42.650 Exactly. 909 00:52:42.690 --> 00:52:46.150 I mean, what Billy said right there, it's about the 910 00:52:46.190 --> 00:52:49.590 privileged few that get a seat in that room and 911 00:52:50.369 --> 00:52:52.670 I think there, you know, of the networks that have 912 00:52:52.690 --> 00:52:55.909 been now, you know, banned or I guess there's a judge, 913 00:52:56.219 --> 00:52:59.059 you know, forcing them back in or whatever. But I'm 914 00:52:59.099 --> 00:53:03.059 like between, you know, George Stephanopoulos and all the all 915 00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:06.650 the people who are now kind of. Forcibly going to 916 00:53:06.730 --> 00:53:11.610 fund Trump's library because Trump sued them for defamation in 917 00:53:11.659 --> 00:53:15.699 the case of Stephanopoulos. Or, I mean, who remembers Jim 918 00:53:15.739 --> 00:53:18.800 Acosta when, you know, during Trump's first term, like he 919 00:53:18.860 --> 00:53:19.840 was just, you. 920 00:53:19.780 --> 00:53:23.090 Know, made a name for himself being a hole disrupting. 921 00:53:23.150 --> 00:53:23.329 Yeah. 922 00:53:23.969 --> 00:53:27.630 And I'm like, yeah, you don't have to actually be 923 00:53:27.670 --> 00:53:31.019 invited into that room. As Billy said, you can stand 924 00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:36.139 outside and spew all the garbage you want. And, you know, 925 00:53:36.179 --> 00:53:41.409 Trump has, you know, obviously, you know, compared to even 926 00:53:41.489 --> 00:53:45.670 Obama or, you know, Sleepy Joe. Trump is the most 927 00:53:45.730 --> 00:53:49.860 accessible to any reporter where they I mean, you know, 928 00:53:49.889 --> 00:53:51.739 liberal reporters will say, like, I can call him on 929 00:53:51.780 --> 00:53:55.179 a cell phone and he'll actually have a conversation with me.

And, 930 00:53:55.539 --> 00:53:59.139 you know, the and Trump has allowed a lot of 931 00:53:59.219 --> 00:54:01.460 the kind of whatever you want to call it, new media, 932 00:54:01.500 --> 00:54:05.280 independent journalists like to have a voice and have, you know, 933 00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:07.969 have a seat in that room and cover, you know, 934 00:54:08.070 --> 00:54:13.190 other cabinet departments where, you know, Back to, you know, 935 00:54:13.210 --> 00:54:15.670 when it was only, you know, three major networks and then, 936 00:54:15.730 --> 00:54:18.510 you know, you got CNN and all these others now. 937 00:54:18.670 --> 00:54:21.119 But it's it's all for show. 938 00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:24.780 And they're going to miss him when Trump's not in 939 00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:27.420 the White House because he's I. 940 00:54:27.420 --> 00:54:31.030 Mean, this is great for their ratings of OK, we're fighting. 941 00:54:31.090 --> 00:54:35.829 We're fighting back against this, you know, tyrant, which is 942 00:54:35.849 --> 00:54:37.929 a bunch of, you know, BS. 943 00:54:38.090 --> 00:54:38.750 But yeah. 944 00:54:39.050 --> 00:54:41.909 You know, this is this is where we're at, where it's, 945 00:54:42.090 --> 00:54:44.010 you know, they want to, you know, just pin us 946 00:54:44.050 --> 00:54:47.039 against each other instead of actually having a dialogue about 947 00:54:47.179 --> 00:54:48.079 substantive issues. 948 00:54:49.260 --> 00:54:49.539 Yeah. 949 00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:50.280 Yeah. 950 00:54:50.860 --> 00:54:55.960 You know, during all of this, ABC, what is that, 951 00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:59.260 David Muir, the one that always looks like he's upset 952 00:54:59.300 --> 00:54:59.920 about something. Yeah. 953 00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:03.079 He's a twit. Yeah. 954 00:55:04.300 --> 00:55:07.300 Someone shared something that he... That's the only reason I 955 00:55:07.340 --> 00:55:10.019 saw it was because somebody else shared it. They were 956 00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:14.039 reporting that the Kennedy Center got shut down because they 957 00:55:14.059 --> 00:55:16.619 wouldn't let Trump's name on it. And I was like, 958 00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:20.789 it's shut down because parts of the roof or parts 959 00:55:20.829 --> 00:55:24.309 of the ceiling is falling through. And I got so mad. 960 00:55:24.349 --> 00:55:26.289 And I'm like, those dummies. 961 00:55:26.309 --> 00:55:26.389 Yeah. 962 00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:30.090 They, I mean, I mean, they're just such liars. Like 963 00:55:30.130 --> 00:55:32.050 you wonder why you're not allowed in the room and 964 00:55:32.090 --> 00:55:36.739 then you completely report false things. And then there's idiots 965 00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:38.019 that believe it. Yeah. 966 00:55:38.099 --> 00:55:42.300 I mean, the funniest is, you know, the, and you know, he, he, 967 00:55:43.239 --> 00:55:49.110 He's known as the podcaster, but Joe Rogan, where CNN 968 00:55:49.150 --> 00:55:52.650 was literally

changing the color of his face when they 969 00:55:52.690 --> 00:55:55.170 were talking about him taking horsey wormer. And I'm like, 970 00:55:55.190 --> 00:55:59.860 he's like the icon liberal, like Bernie Sanders. 971 00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:01.239 Guy. 972 00:56:01.539 --> 00:56:06.539 And just because he didn't agree on this issue, you 973 00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:11.070 completely ostracized him. And, you know, he could have sued 974 00:56:11.110 --> 00:56:14.849 them and probably won a butt ton of money. He 975 00:56:14.869 --> 00:56:17.230 decided not to because, I mean, he's got his own 976 00:56:17.250 --> 00:56:19.329 kind of empire in his own right and he can 977 00:56:19.369 --> 00:56:23.559 talk about it all the time. And he does of like, 978 00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:26.300 you know, there's a reason why, you know, Trump is 979 00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:30.400 really good at the nickname. So, you know, the fake news. Yeah, 980 00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:33.300 they're kind of feeding into it because they're just, you know, 981 00:56:34.110 --> 00:56:37.760 if not fake, they're skewing it so, so badly that, 982 00:56:38.500 --> 00:56:41.599 you know, everyone's, yeah, now you don't know. 983 00:56:41.500 --> 00:56:42.199 What to believe. 984 00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:43.559 Exactly. 985 00:56:44.059 --> 00:56:50.570 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, um, I don't know who, is it, uh, 986 00:56:50.650 --> 00:56:53.150 people above a certain age that's still watching all of 987 00:56:53.190 --> 00:56:55.590 these legacy media channels? 988 00:56:55.590 --> 00:56:59.579 70. Okay. The cable news above 70 is the, is 989 00:56:59.619 --> 00:57:00.480 the bulk of the audience. 990 00:57:01.019 --> 00:57:06.449 Okay. So eventually, no one's going to be left watching it. 991 00:57:06.949 --> 00:57:09.630 It's already in the basement. It's already in the basement. Yeah. 992 00:57:09.989 --> 00:57:12.309 Well, and then, so Fox News jumped in on that 993 00:57:12.409 --> 00:57:17.019 video pool boycott and it's like, okay, but CNN was 994 00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:21.079 just talking about during Biden's administration, kicking you guys out 995 00:57:21.099 --> 00:57:23.760 of the press pool. So that was a bad move. 996 00:57:23.780 --> 00:57:28.210 Obama had a whole war against Fox News back in, 997 00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:32.889 you know, the 2009, 10, you know, timeframe and, And 998 00:57:33.230 --> 00:57:36.889 it's more out of, I think, the kind of just like, 999 00:57:37.050 --> 00:57:39.590 you know, the all boys club, like in D.C. of, 1000 00:57:39.690 --> 00:57:42.889 you know, where Tucker Carlson and Hunter Biden are, you know, 1001 00:57:42.909 --> 00:57:45.730 best friends. And it was like, well, yeah, among the, 1002 00:57:45.809 --> 00:57:48.849 you know, the elite class, like, yes, there is that 1003 00:57:49.789 --> 00:57:54.070 kind of chumminess of like, OK, well, if we say 1004 00:57:54.110 --> 00:57:56.889 we're going to, you know, join you now, like hopefully 1005 00:57:56.989 --> 00:58:00.619 when there's a Democrat in power that you'll And they 1006 00:58:00.659 --> 00:58:06.369 won't like they'll they'll kick you out. And, you know, 1007 00:58:06.449 --> 00:58:10.949 the fact that, you know, Trump just kind of, you know, 1008 00:58:12.150 --> 00:58:14.150 is a stand up comic in his own right. Like 1009 00:58:14.230 --> 00:58:18.639 he just says says the things that, you know, no 1010 00:58:18.699 --> 00:58:21.780 other politician would. And now that's just become kind of 1011 00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:25.539 the everyone's trying to, you know, do do their own 1012 00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:30.699 version of that to try to, you know, get. attention 1013 00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:34.320 and it's uh it's just comical at this point. 1014 00:58:35.179 --> 00:58:38.199 Yeah i agree i'm i'm excited for eventually i i 1015 00:58:38.780 --> 00:58:42.519 think we will start seeing a lot more independent reporters 1016 00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:45.889 and stuff out there uh getting their stuff covered as 1017 00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:49.050 i mean i guess i don't know what it'll take 1018 00:58:49.150 --> 00:58:51.409 for some of these for like cnn to go away 1019 00:58:51.429 --> 00:58:53.949 but yeah someday. 1020 00:58:53.610 --> 00:58:57.789 Well their their ownership is changing so it's It's a 1021 00:58:57.849 --> 00:59:02.159 secondary ownership, so it may not happen quick. But there's 1022 00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:04.639 a shift there, just like with CBS. CBS News has 1023 00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:06.159 kind of changed its tone a little bit. 1024 00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:09.760 I did see something where they were saying that Elon was. 1025 00:59:10.199 --> 00:59:12.920 potentially one of the one of the investors they were 1026 00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:16.920 approaching to to be part of that uh with power 1027 00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:17.980 power CNN yeah. 1028 00:59:18.199 --> 00:59:20.590 Yeah he is but it's a misnomer that he would 1029 00:59:20.630 --> 00:59:23.190 have any control uh as it stands right now okay 1030 00:59:23.369 --> 00:59:23.769 right yeah. 1031 00:59:24.289 --> 00:59:27.719 Okay yeah All right. Well, is there anything else that 1032 00:59:27.739 --> 00:59:30.849 you guys want to you're itching to talk about tonight? 1033 00:59:30.869 --> 00:59:33.309 No, we talked about a lot. I got myself in 1034 00:59:33.329 --> 00:59:35.090 a lot of trouble, I'm sure. Of course, I always do. 1035 00:59:35.130 --> 00:59:36.710 That's the fun of it. Yeah. 1036 00:59:37.070 --> 00:59:37.269 Yeah. 1037 00:59:37.710 --> 00:59:37.909 Yeah. 1038 00:59:37.929 --> 00:59:39.630 I love doing these because I can be a little 1039 00:59:39.650 --> 00:59:43.690 bit unfiltered. And I mean, this is just the most fun, 1040 00:59:44.230 --> 00:59:44.909 fun thing to do. 1041 00:59:44.929 --> 00:59:45.489 That's good. 1042 00:59:46.030 --> 00:59:46.269 Yeah. 1043 00:59:46.829 --> 00:59:49.929 All right. Well, we can start with you, Jeff. Let 1044 00:59:49.949 --> 00:59:51.360 everybody know where to find you. 1045 00:59:52.289 --> 00:59:55.349 Yeah, well, if you want to try to spell my 1046 00:59:55.389 --> 00:59:58.739 crazy Polish last name of Kruzyna, pretty easy to find 1047 00:59:58.780 --> 01:00:03.000 on all the social medias, but getjeffk.com is probably the easiest, 1048 01:00:03.159 --> 01:00:06.559 or jmkvictory is on all the social medias as well. 1049 01:00:07.380 --> 01:00:09.079 But that's where you can find me. 1050 01:00:09.539 --> 01:00:09.820 Billy? 1051 01:00:10.820 --> 01:00:12.619 Well, like I said, the Billy Dees podcast has been 1052 01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:16.300 around a long time. We are on all the major 1053 01:00:16.340 --> 01:00:18.559 podcast platforms. As a matter of fact, all of them 1054 01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:21.650 pretty much period. So we shouldn't be hard to find. 1055 01:00:21.690 --> 01:00:25.829 We have over a 10-year history. I'm on most social media, 1056 01:00:26.010 --> 01:00:29.320 at Billy D's, but like I said, X, the former Twitter, 1057 01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:31.559 is kind of what I like about X is it's 1058 01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:34.719 very real-time. It's very trending. And as a matter of fact, 1059 01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:39.260 news actually breaks on there as opposed to just being reflected. 1060 01:00:39.929 --> 01:00:42.389 So it's a great place for podcasters, and it's the 1061 01:00:42.409 --> 01:00:44.389 place I like to hang out. But you can find 1062 01:00:44.429 --> 01:00:47.250 me on TikTok and some other stuff. But yeah, that's 1063 01:00:47.289 --> 01:00:48.849 kind of like my place. Thank you so much for 1064 01:00:48.889 --> 01:00:50.610 having me. A great conversation today. 1065 01:00:51.030 --> 01:00:54.300 Yeah, absolutely. Thank you both. I will see you on 1066 01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:55.420 the other side of this recording. 1067 01:00:57.199 --> 01:01:00.199 I'm Billy Dees and host of the self-titled podcast, The 1068 01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:03.699 Billy Dees Podcast. We are primarily an interview and a 1069 01:01:03.780 --> 01:01:08.230 commentary-based podcast featuring authors and creators talking about their craft, 1070 01:01:08.510 --> 01:01:12.210 advocates for community issues, and myself and an array of 1071 01:01:12.269 --> 01:01:16.429 co-hosts discussing current events. There's no partisan ranting and raving 1072 01:01:16.449 --> 01:01:19.789 going on here, just great content. You can find The 1073 01:01:19.809 --> 01:01:23.199 Billy Dees Podcast on your favorite platform and on Twitter, 1074 01:01:23.449 --> 01:01:26.670 at Billy Dees. Thank you, and I hope you listen in.