התמלול המלא של Are Superman & Spider-Man really...INVINCIBLE?

00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:41.840 Do you want us to talk about the little thing that happened yesterday that was really, really cool? 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:44.479 Yeah, so this week we've had some really cool stuff. 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:51.919 If you guys have checked out the Instagram, you will see that we recently did a post on the success of Absolute Batman. 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:55.120 Because every episode, man, we've been talking about how good Absolute Batman is. 00:03:55.199 --> 00:03:57.759 So I wanted to put our thoughts into the post. 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:03.680 And we had Frank Martin, the colorist, repost our post. 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:06.639 We had Nick Dragata, the artist, comment. 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:07.199 Yep. 00:04:07.599 --> 00:04:09.520 Actually, you DM'd Nick Dragata. 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:16.879 I he he shared the story on he shared the post on his story, and I I was like, I'm gonna text him just because why not? 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:18.240 Like, if it whatever. 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:18.399 Yeah. 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:23.199 And I just said, like, hey, um, we actually have a podcast um called Beyond the Pull List. 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:25.120 Um, we'd love you to check it out. 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:28.240 Every time a new book drops, we talk about it, and we are loving it. 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:29.839 So just wanted to throw that out there. 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:32.879 And he gave me a thumbs up and he said, Thanks for the kind words. 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:36.480 And uh, said, also, if you're in Tennessee, uh you will see us. 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:40.000 Yeah, we will we will be there giving you our money. 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:43.519 Uh and and he he replied, so that was awesome. 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:49.439 We had Mark Brooks, yes, uh, a cover artist, do uh like the post today. 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:49.839 Yeah. 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:55.759 Uh so I mean it has been exciting, and it's been incredible to see people 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00:06:27.600 But today is the sunny superhero day, is what I called it a while back because we're doing Invincible, we're doing Spider-Man, and we're doing Superman, who are the three bright day sunshiny, well, maybe Invincible. 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:29.759 Well, I well, it's costume at least. 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:31.040 Yeah, it's cost him at least. 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:33.519 Uh the story and stuff going on, not so much. 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:35.199 But but we got a lot to talk about. 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:35.839 We do. 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:37.839 But let's get into the big comic this week. 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:44.800 The comic that I have been the moment, so the moment it was announced, I think I screamed louder than when my wife told me that she was pregnant. 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:47.680 I'm just I'm just kidding. 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:50.639 If my daughter listens to this in the future, I'm just kidding. 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:52.319 That didn't actually happen. 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:54.639 She probably doesn't believe you. 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:56.879 She's like, dad dad would be more excited. 00:06:57.120 --> 00:06:57.839 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:06:58.240 --> 00:06:58.720 She knows. 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:05.120 So the Superman Spider-Man Crossover, published by DC Comics, uh, and Marvel, of course, but this one was the one released by DC. 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:07.519 There's another one, the Marvel one's coming out next month. 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:08.800 Next wow, that's a long time. 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:09.600 Yes, yes. 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:19.120 Uh so we read the issue and we want to talk about our favorite stories, what we liked about this issue, and again, is it worth the$9.99 price? 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:22.959 Yes, because this is a very I don't know. 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:24.240 I don't know how I feel about it. 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:27.839 We ranked the stories, we both have our own ranking of each story. 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00:07:35.199 Um I guess do we wanna do we want to go in order of stories, or do we want to just go through our rank as we tell the stories? 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:37.839 Uh well, let's rank the stories. 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:41.839 But first, I want to just shout out all the artists who worked on this. 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:42.399 Yes. 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:47.439 Uh every single cover, every interior work is incredible. 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:50.720 There's not there's no bad art associated with this. 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:52.079 There's not, yeah. 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:55.279 This is I am hope-pilled after this. 00:07:55.519 --> 00:07:56.240 Yeah, yeah. 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:59.519 Did um now, did you just get the one cover or did you get multiple? 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:06.160 I just got the the Jorge Jimenez wraparound cover because I think that's just beautiful, but man, there is not a bad cover. 00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:07.360 There is not, there's really not a bad cover. 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:08.319 Which ones did you get? 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:11.360 I got so I I was looking at the DNA one. 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:11.759 Okay. 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:14.240 I don't know, is it the it's like where it's the blue background? 00:08:14.639 --> 00:08:20.319 And it I I almost bought it, but the the main one I ordered was the Delato, because you gotta have my black suit Spidey. 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:26.079 Um it's uh Superman in the black suit and Spider-Man in the black suit, and they look suit in the city, it's at night. 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:26.879 It's so good. 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:31.600 Um, and I also couldn't help because I'm a sucker for anything Clayton Crane puts out. 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:34.559 I got the crane variant as well because it was a really cool cover. 00:08:34.639 --> 00:08:37.679 And Clayton doesn't do a lot of bright, happy art. 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:40.799 Like a lot of his stuff is dark, and like that's just his vibe. 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:43.679 So getting something a little bit different from him is really cool. 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:47.600 We have to also have to shout out Clayton Crane because there's not many Claytons out there. 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:49.919 So no, no, we got we're in the brotherhood. 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:51.600 It's just you two. 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:53.200 There's no other Claytons out there. 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:55.600 Someone comments, like, hey, my name is Clayton. 00:08:55.759 --> 00:08:56.559 My name's Clayton too. 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:57.679 Oh, there's my third. 00:08:57.919 --> 00:08:59.519 Um, what other variants did they do? 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:03.360 They did uh they did uh Delato, Clayton Crane. 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:07.039 They did the Power Girl and I think they did a Power Girl Punisher cover. 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:08.799 They did a Power Girl Black Cat cover. 00:09:08.879 --> 00:09:10.320 I said all the guys are gonna get that one. 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:11.200 Yeah, oh yeah. 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:16.159 Um they did uh I think they have a couple of Venom, they have two Venom ones, or is that for the Marvel one? 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:17.759 I think that might be for the Marvel one. 00:09:17.919 --> 00:09:24.960 Yeah, the Marvel one has multiple Venom Superman, which of course, as me and Clayton always have talked about, Venom did beat Superman. 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:27.200 Okay, I know, I know, I know what happened. 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:30.480 I wish I had a boo button. 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:32.000 Like we have buttons. 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:34.559 Hang on, let me let me actually Yeah. 00:09:34.799 --> 00:09:42.000 We have sound buttons now, so any time if I say something stupid about Spider-Man and MJ doing it again, we've got a we've got a button for it. 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:46.799 I wish we had a boo that's that's a that's a canon event for the on the pullies. 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:48.159 Yeah, it's that's gonna happen. 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:50.000 We're gonna we're it's gonna be great. 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:51.919 Um but they did a lot of cool variants for this. 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:53.360 There's a lot of a lot of covers. 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:55.759 It sucked because getting two of them is twenty dollars. 00:09:55.919 --> 00:09:56.080 Right. 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:57.039 Well, eighteen, I guess. 00:09:57.120 --> 00:09:57.840 We'll we'll tax twenty. 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:00.159 And your bags and boards a dollar or whatever. 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:01.600 Um but yeah, let's go. 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:02.159 I guess we'll just do it. 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:03.039 Let's let's get into it. 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:05.840 So we'll we'll let's go ahead and rank them. 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:06.159 Okay. 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:11.600 And then we'll talk about what happens in each story and and why we liked these stories and why we put them where we put them. 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:14.480 I tell you what, let's Okay, let's do that. 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:14.799 Okay. 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:19.519 I was gonna say let's let's talk about the stories and then rank them, but nah, let's just let's just rank it. 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:23.600 So we both said that our number one story. 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:27.279 So first of all, there's uh there's seven uh no, there's eight stories in this book. 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:30.159 There's eight mini stories in this book, which is a lot. 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:31.120 There is a lot. 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:35.279 Um yes, and um, so Clay, you know what? 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:35.759 You're excited. 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:36.799 I'm gonna let you take a lead on this. 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:38.320 I want your you're jumping up and down. 00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:38.879 Let's do it. 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:40.320 I'm I'm I'm vibing. 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:43.120 Okay, so I put the main story as number one. 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:44.639 I think that was

the best story. 00:10:44.799 --> 00:10:45.120 Yeah. 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:46.720 Probably because it was the main story. 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:46.960 Yes. 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:48.399 But anyways, it's number one for me. 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:50.240 I put my second favorite story. 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:53.600 Well, do you want to you wanted to go your favorite story too? 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:54.799 Mine was also number one. 00:10:54.879 --> 00:10:54.960 Okay. 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:56.000 Yeah, we were both number one. 00:10:56.080 --> 00:11:00.480 So for number two, for me, I did the Jonathan Kent and the Ben Parker story. 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:01.600 That's number two for me. 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:04.399 I did Spider Boy and Spider-Man 2099. 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:04.879 Okay. 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:07.919 My third favorite is the Lois Lane Mary Jane story. 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:08.320 Okay. 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:10.399 Mine was Punisher and Power Girl. 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:10.799 Okay. 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:16.720 Which also got my biggest negative reaction, which I'm sure hearing that, you know exactly what it is, but we'll get there in a minute. 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:17.360 Yes. 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:21.600 Uh, then number four is Superboy and Spider-Man 2099. 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:24.240 Four for me was Lois Lane and Mary Jane. 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:24.639 Okay. 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:27.360 Number five is Superboy Prime and Amazing Spider-Man. 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:28.480 Mine was also number five. 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:28.799 Okay. 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:30.879 Number six is Punisher and Power Girl. 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:33.679 Uh six for me was Jonathan Kent and Ben Parker. 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:34.399 Okay. 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:36.639 You're like, that's wrong. 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:42.720 Uh number seven is it's, I think technically titled Truth, but it is the J. 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:45.120 Jonah Jameson versus Lois Lane debate. 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:47.039 That was my number seven as well. 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:50.720 And unfortunately, our number eight was Jimmy Illson and Carnage. 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:51.039 Yes. 00:11:51.279 --> 00:11:53.039 Which okay, we'll get into that. 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:53.759 We'll get into it. 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:54.799 So main story. 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:56.159 Why didn't we put it at number one? 00:11:56.399 --> 00:12:00.480 I put it as number one because it's classic Superman Spider-Man. 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:00.720 Right. 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:02.240 This is the story that we came here for. 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:02.639 Yes. 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:06.159 You know, we came here because we wanted to see Spider-Man and Superman fight a villain. 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:11.120 Now it did get the cliche of which I I didn't like this, that they kind of swap their villains. 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:11.279 Yes. 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:13.679 Because that's what I feel like all verses books do. 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:18.559 It's like, oh well, because one of my favorite uh collab stories is Spider-Man Batman. 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:18.799 Right. 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:25.600 And the villains are Joker and Carnage, and they do a thing where Spider-Man's fighting Joker and Batman's fighting Carnage, which I thought, oh my gosh, that's the best thing in the world. 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:25.840 Yeah. 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:31.679 But um it felt like they redid that trope, and I was like, oh, I wish they'd have been like teaming up to fight the, you know what I mean? 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:33.120 Or some, you know, something else. 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:34.799 But you know, but yeah. 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:36.879 It's it it it you're exactly right. 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:38.879 It is what we've waited 50 years for. 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:44.399 We have waited for Superman, Spider-Man just to be together, just to give us inspiration and give us hope. 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:48.320 And I I I put it as number one, because it was a feel-good story. 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:51.759 Yeah, it was one of those stories that if you're having a bad day, you should definitely come to. 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:52.240 Right. 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:56.960 Um, and it just was kind of fun to watch them interact again. 00:12:57.679 --> 00:13:03.519 And I've really felt like this story gave Clark Kent like an older brother vibe with Peter Parker. 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:03.919 Yeah. 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:10.559 Uh there was a few lines from Peter Parker where I kind of rolled my eyes because I'm like, we're still doing the man child thing with Peter Parker. 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:13.679 Yeah, I feel I yeah, I kind of had the same, yeah. 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:20.159 But overall though, I mean, we have to kind of preference this right now is that there really wasn't a bad story. 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:23.759 There were some that were like they're they're uh eh they're okay. 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:24.159 Yeah. 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:27.039 Um, but there's not necessarily a bad one. 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:29.759 I don't think there's a yeah, I I don't have a problem. 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:32.159 Like I have problems with stories. 00:13:32.799 --> 00:13:39.200 Um I don't think there's a you know, I agree with you, I don't think there's a bad story, but I think I'm gonna save this opinion. 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:39.919 Okay, wait. 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:43.360 Because I I I have my overall opinion for the book. 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:44.559 I have an overall opinion. 00:13:44.720 --> 00:13:45.440 And we're gonna get into that. 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:50.080 Yeah, I think I think once we do Jimmy Olsen and Carnage and we finish these, I think we the whole book as a whole is all. 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:50.480 Yes, yes. 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:51.200 Yes. 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:55.279 Uh so why did you have your number two as what you did? 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--> 00:13:59.679 So my number two, Spider uh Spider Boy, wait, Super says Spider-Boy on her. 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:02.000 Oh man, I can't type. 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:02.879 It's okay. 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:04.320 Oh no, we have notes. 00:14:04.399 --> 00:14:06.799 Uh those uh Superboy and Spider-Man 2099. 00:14:06.879 --> 00:14:14.159 I picked it because when I was reading it, um, first of all, I didn't expect a Spider-Man 2099 story in here. 00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:15.840 Um so that was really cool. 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:17.120 The art's really good. 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:18.399 I love the art for this. 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:22.000 But as I was reading it, I I actually vocalized. 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:24.000 I was like, I think I know what's about to happen. 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:25.440 And if it is, I'm really excited. 00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:25.759 Yeah. 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:30.799 And it was Batman Beyond coming in, and like getting that was amazing. 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:33.039 But you know, you made a good point, and sorry for telling me. 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:33.519 No, go on. 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:34.080 No, go ahead. 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:39.039 Uh you said in your head you hear a certain voice actor for 2099. 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:39.840 2099. 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:46.159 I'm going back and forth between like the if you've ever played Spider-Man Shatter Dimensions, I don't let me hang on, let me pull it. 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:46.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:52.879 So while you do that, so you were talking about you have a voice for Spider-Man 29, 2099. 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:55.919 You have a voice for Batman Beyond. 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:56.399 Yes. 00:14:56.559 --> 00:15:09.039 But one thing we didn't talk about is obviously Batman Beyond is talking to Bruce Wayne in this, and you regardless, you hear Kevin Conroy as as even old Batman. 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:15.840 I hear I was about to say Kevin Conroy was definitely um undisputed voice actor right there for Batman. 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:27.600 So my Spider, so here's here's the the thing with Spider-Man 29 is I have two voice actors that I was like, I hear the one I hear is Dan uh Gilzan? 00:15:27.759 --> 00:15:28.559 Is that how you pronounce it? 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:29.919 It's from Spider-Man Shattered Dimensions. 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:35.679 If you ever played Spider-Man Shattered Dimensions, that was the voice actor of 2099, and that's who I just automatically hear for 2099 forever. 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:44.480 Um I was trying to hear Oscar Isaac Oscar Isaac because of the new 2099, because I love 2099 and in uh across the Spider-Verse. 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:49.919 But every time I'm listening, I just keep going back to that Shattered Dimensions voice, and that's just who I hear. 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:50.720 I can't help it. 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:51.679 It's just you know. 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:56.000 Um but seeing Batman Beyond, and I

made this point. 00:15:56.080 --> 00:16:01.840 I was like, the thing is is that that was not Spider-Man, Superman, that was Spider-Man and Batman Beyond. 00:16:01.919 --> 00:16:02.159 Yes. 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:11.840 And like I can see why you don't like that because yeah, because it's a Superman, it's supposed to be a Superman Spider-Man story, so it's supposed to be Superman Spider-Man. 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:22.320 And and I made this comment while you were reading the book that to me it felt like I think it was Sean Gordon Murphy who did this story, but I could be totally wrong there. 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:28.000 Um, that he wanted to do a Batman Beyond and Spider-Man 2999 story. 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:29.600 And this was his excuse to do it. 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:31.039 Yes, yes, yeah, I agree. 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:35.279 Yeah, and that's he's like, okay, well, Superman's here. 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:36.799 Alright, go away. 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:37.360 Yeah, yeah. 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:41.200 Superman, you know, and I'm not like I'm I'm more of a Batman fan than a Superman fan. 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:43.519 So like for me, I was like, I love this, it was great. 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:50.720 Um, I was tempted to put it at number one, but I just I was because I was like, when I read it, I was like, that's definitely my favorite out of all of them so far. 00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:55.759 Um, but I it I needed natural Spider-Man, like OG Spidey and OG Superman. 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:57.120 That had to have number one. 00:16:57.200 --> 00:16:59.039 I just because that was what I came here for. 00:16:59.120 --> 00:16:59.440 Yes. 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:04.240 Um, but this was something I didn't come here for that I got that I was like, whoa, whoa. 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:06.079 Um, so definitely my number two. 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:07.039 What was your number two? 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:07.519 Your number two. 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:16.000 Well, go, I'll go ahead and and put it down here that my superboy and Spider-Man 2999 was my number four. 00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:18.000 And and my list is really flexible. 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:19.519 Yeah, mine is two, yeah. 00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:23.359 But but, anyways, my number two was Jonathan Kent and Ben Parker's story. 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:23.759 Okay. 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:27.119 And in this story, it's Superman and Spider-Man. 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:31.119 You don't see them, but they're talking about their upbringings, they're talking about the people who shaped them. 00:17:31.279 --> 00:17:31.440 Yeah. 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:36.960 And in the story, you see uh Ben who's traveling through Kansas at the time. 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:42.240 There's a tornado, and he and Jonathan end up saving some little kids. 00:17:42.319 --> 00:17:42.400 Yeah. 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:42.640 Yeah. 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:44.640 Just kind of having a small little moment. 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:49.039 And they don't realize it at this time because they're both still young at this point. 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:49.440 Right. 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:54.880 Uh, but they're about to raise the the two most inspirational heroes of all time. 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:57.039 And that's what they're talking about, Superman Spider-Man. 00:17:57.200 --> 00:17:57.519 Yeah. 00:17:57.759 --> 00:17:59.920 And uh, and then at the end you see them together. 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:04.640 And I think that is a that is probably my favorite panel from this whole book. 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:07.680 Is that last one of them just like flying off together? 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:09.839 Well, Spider-Man swinging by, but yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:14.000 I think that's just and that's the artist who does uh absolute Superman, by the way. 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:14.559 Really? 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:15.519 Ralph of Sindel. 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:16.160 Okay, yeah, okay. 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:18.880 So if you like the art for that book, you might want to hop on that. 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:20.559 I click it, I see it now. 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:22.880 Um I put let's see here. 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:26.000 We're on number two, Jonathan Kent and Ben Parker. 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:28.240 Um so that was my number six. 00:18:28.400 --> 00:18:31.759 And the only reason was because it was really hard to rate rank these. 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:41.440 I I liked it, but it it it I don't know if I should uh because I the problem, like I don't want to say the whole No, okay, let's just save it. 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:42.079 Let's just save it. 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:43.119 Okay, like okay, okay. 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:43.920 We'll just save it. 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:56.319 It it the it the I it's a good story because it I love um I will talk about what I do, like it talks about them two who are superheroes, talking about the people who inspired them that are just two guys who are just ordinary. 00:18:56.720 --> 00:19:07.440 There's two guys who are good at heart that are you know they're very selfless and they're willing to to put themselves in danger to save people just because that's what they have to do as men. 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:09.119 And I think that's really cool. 00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:13.920 And it's cool that superheroes are looking on just two ordinary guys. 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:23.920 I mean, of course they're their uncles, but like you know You know, this could get really deep if we really wanted to, but it really showed the importance of a good dad. 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:24.400 Yeah. 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:29.920 I'm not gonna go there because that's that's just gonna be a conversation that we we would get really deep into. 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:33.279 But I think that shows the importance of what it means to be a good dad. 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:33.680 Yeah. 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:35.920 And and that's the kind of dad I hope that I would. 00:19:36.319 -->

00:19:37.519 I think I think I think you got it. 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:44.319 Funny enough, the Clayton texted me the other day and he was like, because uh Gabriela, his wife is getting a little close to pregnancy. 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:49.279 And he was like, it's hitting me because one of the questions I asked him was like, Does it not like Donna? 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:50.799 Like, does it not freak you out at all? 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:52.240 And he's like, Oh no, not yet. 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:59.359 Well, he texted me and he's like, as I'm like cleaning up a leak in my basement, he's like, he's like, I'm freaking out! I'm freaking out, it's it's time. 00:19:59.839 --> 00:20:02.400 We are we are uh basically a month away. 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:05.680 So that's when it hit me, and I'm like, I'm gonna be a dad. 00:20:05.839 --> 00:20:07.359 Paul, Paul, you don't understand. 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:08.240 I'm about to be a dad. 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:14.400 So this is this could also be the last spot Superman Spider-Man crossover that comes out before it's possible, it's possible. 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:18.319 If the other one comes out and you're in the hospital, I'll grab it and bring it to you. 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:19.039 I appreciate it. 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:22.319 That's that's because that's what heroes do. 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:23.680 That's what heroes do. 00:20:23.759 --> 00:20:24.480 You're right. 00:20:24.720 --> 00:20:26.480 All right, all right, number story number three. 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:27.359 Story number three. 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:30.559 For me, my third was Punisher and Power Girl. 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:31.519 Okay, okay. 00:20:31.759 --> 00:20:33.519 Which is definitely not what I expected. 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:36.000 It's not what I expected either, honestly. 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:38.079 Um let's just go ahead and talk about it. 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:44.160 Punisher and Power Girl Punisher and Power Girl for me was story number six. 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:45.359 Uh yes. 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:45.920 Yes. 00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:48.319 So um I liked it. 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:49.039 It wasn't bad. 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:51.200 And you you have a good point there. 00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:52.559 They have good chemistry. 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:54.880 Yeah, the chemistry is very opposite. 00:20:54.960 --> 00:20:55.200 Yeah. 00:20:55.359 --> 00:21:08.799 And I think that's cute because I've never seen Punisher fall in like I've never seen a girl No, I mean I don't I don't know if he necessarily fell in love, but he was like chuckling at the like the giddiness of being on a date. 00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:09.200 Yeah. 00:21:09.359 --> 00:21:15.519 You know, and you don't I've never seen that out of The Punisher, and it was just kind of like one of those books that was like not bad. 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:16.240 Yeah, not bad. 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:18.079 You know, like I I dig it. 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:20.000 Tell me what you liked about it. 00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:24.079 Oh well, I before I tell you what I did like about it. 00:21:24.319 --> 00:21:26.880 Well, what you didn't like is also what I didn't like about this story. 00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:28.720 But but but I'll tell you what I did like. 00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:33.119 I I like the same thing, it was a cute little issue, and you didn't expect that. 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:38.960 And I when I was flipping through, because I hadn't looked at what stories were going to be in this, I was just main Superman Spider-Man story. 00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:39.680 That's all I cared about. 00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:40.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:43.920 And so I flipped through it before I read it, and I came across that. 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:45.759 I'm like, this is a weird combination. 00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:46.319 It is. 00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:46.720 Yeah. 00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:47.920 Why would they do this? 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:53.680 And like the first page of them put together, it says Punisher and Power Girl go on a date. 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:57.039 And I thought, what in the world are we about to see here? 00:21:57.440 --> 00:21:59.759 So I read it, and it was it was just a cute dynamic. 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:04.319 And it was show it shows that the Punisher has a heart, I guess. 00:22:04.480 --> 00:22:04.720 Yeah. 00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:05.119 Yeah. 00:22:05.359 --> 00:22:06.559 And so that was nice. 00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:06.960 Yeah. 00:22:07.359 --> 00:22:17.119 But in those very first panels of this story, uh, there is a moment that I really thought we were about to go heavily downhill. 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:22.480 And you and I had the same exact reaction to reading this panel. 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:23.519 And it is. 00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:29.599 It's it's slamming your hands on the table and saying, Are you freaking kidding me? 00:22:29.839 --> 00:22:31.119 What Marvel? 00:22:31.519 --> 00:22:32.240 Stop. 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:33.039 Stop. 00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:35.680 They put freaking Paul Rabin in it. 00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:37.440 The worst character. 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:38.240 Yes. 00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:42.240 Paul can't even get words because he hates this character. 00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:45.519 Power girl is going on a date to this place. 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:48.079 And I guess it's like, is this villain bar? 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:48.960 Villain bar? 00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:49.119 Yeah. 00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:53.279 Why would Paul take a I'm not even gonna go there. 00:22:53.599 --> 00:23:06.319 But my thing is that she walks in, and of course it's Paul there being all awkward and being like, oh hey, like I met you on on on uh whatever the dating site was, off-brand Tinder, and I'm so excited to sit here and go on a date. 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:11.920 And like, well, I I'm having all these problems, and you know, but but but oh gosh, you're so pretty.

00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:16.799 And she's like, I would rather be fighting dark side than be on this date. 00:23:16.960 --> 00:23:18.720 And it's it my thing is, right? 00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:19.920 I'm gonna go on a rant. 00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:27.200 Why is the Spider-Man office so intent on putting Paul in everything? 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:27.680 Yeah. 00:23:27.839 --> 00:23:28.319 Why? 00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:29.680 There's no need in it. 00:23:29.839 --> 00:23:31.599 Like, no one likes this character. 00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:33.839 And they even make a note of that in this. 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:38.559 He's like I'm really a nice guy, but um, no one likes me for some reason. 00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:43.200 And it's like, because no, because you're dating Peter's wife. 00:23:43.599 --> 00:23:48.000 Like, again, Peter should be married to MJ, and Paul should be gone. 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:51.279 I don't I don't care where he's at, give him put him anywhere. 00:23:51.440 --> 00:23:54.079 Just get him out of Peter Parker and quit it. 00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:54.880 Like, stop it. 00:23:55.039 --> 00:24:00.559 You know, I'm I'm so I don't understand why the Spider-Man office feels the need to put him in everything. 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:02.480 Nobody wants him in these books. 00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:03.920 Nobody wants him in this. 00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:05.440 Nobody wants him in Venom. 00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:06.960 Nobody wants him in Spider-Man. 00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:08.160 Just get rid of him. 00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:10.079 He's a character that is nothing. 00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:13.920 And literally, the whole purpose of his character is to just be shit on. 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:14.319 Yeah. 00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:16.960 It's just a character that's like, hey, I suck. 00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:18.160 Make fun of me. 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:20.079 That's literally the only purpose. 00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:24.079 And it's just like, it's like Marvel's keeping him around just because they're like, oh yeah, everybody hates him. 00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:24.960 Keep putting him in the book. 00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:25.440 It's funny. 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:26.559 Like it's rage bait. 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:26.720 Yeah. 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:29.279 It's just, it's just, it, it, it's so unnecessary. 00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:32.480 I and I hate I hate giving this book number three. 00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:39.759 The only reason I gave it the third place was because I was like, oh, they're the the Punisher Power Girl was really cute and I really like that. 00:24:39.920 --> 00:24:41.599 But Paul, get him out of here. 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:41.920 Yeah. 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:43.440 And I hate that because my name is Paul. 00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:43.680 Yeah. 00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:44.319 That sucks. 00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:44.640 Yeah. 00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:46.640 Whatever. 00:24:46.960 --> 00:24:55.200 Yeah, we we made a comment before we were s started recording that Paul's only purpose is to is to cuckhold Peter Parker. 00:24:55.519 --> 00:24:58.480 His his purpose, he like I his existence. 00:24:58.720 --> 00:24:58.880 Yeah. 00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:03.200 His existence is literally the phrase uh robbing Peter to pay Paul. 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:03.759 Literally. 00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:06.240 Yeah, it's literally that's that's the only purpose. 00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:08.160 Is so Mary Jane has somebody there. 00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:08.400 Yeah. 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:10.079 And the fans hate him. 00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:14.880 And Marvel knows that, and they're like, oh, well, how how can we keep the fans hating this guy? 00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:17.279 We want we want the hate to still be there. 00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:27.519 I guess because it drives I guess because like I remember in the Venom issue where MJ and Paul broke up, it was a big thing because it was like, oh, well, like everybody was talking about it, being like, oh, everything's great. 00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:30.000 They broke up, they broke up, but that's what Marvel wants. 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:34.160 They want right people to buy these books because it's like, oh, finally, like they're breaking up. 00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:38.400 But then Paul's still in the book, and him and MJ are still living together, and they're still talking. 00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:39.680 It's weird, it's stupid. 00:25:39.839 --> 00:25:41.359 I'm just I'm I'm tired of this story. 00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:42.240 Get this character out of here. 00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:43.279 No one likes him. 00:25:43.359 --> 00:25:44.079 Get him out of here. 00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:44.480 Yeah. 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:48.720 Sorry, but you know, uh, that's all I gotta say about that. 00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:50.559 Was that story number three? 00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:51.599 Uh for me it was number three. 00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:51.839 Okay. 00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:53.759 I'm starting to reconsider it again. 00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:57.200 Reconsider it that it shouldn't be because I hate Paul that he's in it. 00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:10.720 But again, it was just like the what I said to Clayton was that they all were sitting down, like the Spider-Man team, the Superman team, and the Marvel head and the DC head are all sitting at a table, and the guy on the Spider-Man side's like, Well, well, we have this character. 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:13.279 Um, we really should put him in the book. 00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:14.960 Uh his name's Paul. 00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:17.440 Everybody likes him, or at least in the office. 00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:20.240 Um, can we can we have him in here somewhere? 00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:22.880 And they're like, Yeah, put him in the Punisher Power Girl book. 00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:24.000 Like, no one's just put him. 00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:24.559 I don't care. 00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:24.880 Right. 00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:26.799 Anyway, I'm done now. 00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:27.839 My

rant's over. 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:28.559 Rant over. 00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:32.240 Uh, my my third favorite story was the Lois Lane and Mary Jane story. 00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:33.920 But I do have a problem with this story. 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:34.799 I do too. 00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:38.799 So so the good thing about this story is that it is drawn by Jim Lee. 00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:42.720 And Jim Lee does not do a whole lot of interiors, but Jim Lee's a great artist. 00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:43.519 He's a great artist. 00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:44.880 That was the first thing I said when I opened it. 00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:46.720 It was like, oh, this is this is Jim Lee. 00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:48.000 Oh, this is some good art. 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:51.920 However, this b begs the debate. 00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:57.200 Does good art override a bad to decent story? 00:26:57.359 --> 00:26:59.039 And that's kind of what this is. 00:26:59.119 --> 00:27:04.880 And I think that might be why this story ends up becoming my third favorite because Jim Lee's art alone. 00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:10.240 But there are good moments here, and it's really, really a sentinel has attacked. 00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:19.359 We don't know why, we don't know who or or what reason, but it's on a bridge, and Mary Jane and Lois Lane are, I guess, damsels in distress. 00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:20.880 Not I mean, kind of. 00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:27.839 They're like talking through it, and they're like, like, they're in a bus that's dangling from the bridge, and they're like, girl, you've been here before. 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:28.880 She's like, mm-hmm. 00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:30.240 Like, this is normal for me. 00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:31.039 Oh, did you die? 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:32.160 Oh, I've died a couple times. 00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:32.720 How about you? 00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:33.359 Multiple. 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:36.000 Yeah, the multi-like they're just ch which is cute. 00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:37.279 I mean, it's like a cute girl. 00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:38.240 Yeah, yeah. 00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:47.039 And it is because I guess it's the only hope that we've had that Peter Parker and Mary Jane might be married somewhere out there in the multiverse. 00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:47.759 I guess so. 00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:49.920 Yeah, that's the only thing we'll get. 00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:52.079 But so I guess there's that. 00:27:52.240 --> 00:28:01.359 But my biggest flaw with this story is, yeah, um, and and if you're going to do a story about Lois Lane and Mary Jane, like you kind of have to make Superman Spider-Man background characters. 00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:01.920 And that's fine. 00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:02.720 That's fine. 00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:03.599 That's understandable. 00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:08.000 And it's okay to have a story focused around these their significant others. 00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:08.720 Right. 00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:22.000 But the problem is that Superman and Spider-Man are so sidelined in this stick this story that a C-list character steals their spotlight and destroys the Sentinel that neither one of them could do. 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:25.039 And the C-list character is freaking Gambit. 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:25.519 Yes. 00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:28.319 And he gets a freaking splash page. 00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:30.400 A two-page splash panel. 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:34.079 They turn the it's a page turn, and he's just, it's this amazing artwork. 00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:36.960 And the first thing I said was, Oh, so Jim Lee does a gambit. 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:39.119 I guess Jim Lee really wanted to draw Gambit this time. 00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:43.119 Yeah, I think Jim Lee's like, oh, I haven't drawn the X-Men in 30 years. 00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:43.519 Yeah. 00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:45.119 What is what's the first thing I want to do? 00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:46.000 I want to do Gambit. 00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:46.720 Yeah, so I'm gonna do that. 00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:51.440 It's the only, and if I remember correctly, it's there's only two splash pages in this whole book. 00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:54.640 The first one is in the main story, and the second one is the gambit. 00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:56.640 Is that I'm trying to think if there's any more. 00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:00.559 I think that's the only splash page where it's on both pages. 00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:06.559 Because there is one page, uh, especially in the Jonathan Kent, Ben Parker story, where it is the full page. 00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:10.000 But yeah, I think this those are the only two, yeah, you're probably right. 00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:14.000 But yeah, it's a full splash page of Gambit looking, I mean, looks badass. 00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:14.240 Yeah. 00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:16.720 But it's like, this is a Spider-Man Superman book. 00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:19.599 Why isn't Jim Lee drawing Spider-Man and Superman looking awesome? 00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:19.839 Yes. 00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:24.240 Like, why aren't they why isn't there some big splash of them taking down the sentinel that looks super sick? 00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:24.640 Right. 00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:25.759 That's what we all want. 00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:26.720 Not Gambit. 00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:29.039 Oh, oh man, I hope Gambit gets his splash. 00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:30.160 Whatever. 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:30.480 Yeah. 00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:30.640 Okay. 00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:31.920 Anyway, thanks, Jim Lee. 00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:34.880 So moving on, story number four. 00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:37.359 That was your third, right? 00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:38.480 Yes, that was my third. 00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:41.759 For me, my fourth was that in Lewis Lane. 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:44.880 So my fourth was the Superboy in Spider-Man 2999. 00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:45.599 So we've talked about that. 00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:46.480 We've talked about that, yep. 00:29:46.640 --> 00:29:47.039 So moving

on. 00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:48.319 Why was that your fourth? 00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:49.599 Do you want to do you wanna dive? 00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:51.599 Is it just because Superman was kind of sideless? 00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:53.279 Superman was kind of sidelined. 00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:56.799 It really was more of a Batman Beyond Spider-Man 2099 story. 00:29:57.039 --> 00:29:57.759 Why was he skinny? 00:29:57.839 --> 00:29:58.799 Superman was very skinny. 00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:11.680 Because um, so there's a Silver Age series where Super Superboy, why well Superman while he's young, um, he travels back into he travels into the future with the Legion of Superheroes. 00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:13.839 There's an old cartoon about this. 00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:19.119 Um But Superman travels into the future and he joins the League of Superheroes for a little bit. 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:24.400 He goes on adventures with them, and really really it's a silver age thing. 00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:28.240 Because they were big on time travel and future stuff at the time. 00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:28.559 Yeah. 00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:33.839 So that's it, because it's just a futuristic story, so that's why he ended up as Superboy in this story. 00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:34.400 I got it. 00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:34.640 Yeah. 00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:40.880 So really not uh not a Superboy story, not a Superman story, but a Spider-Man 2099 and Batman Beyond. 00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:41.119 Yeah. 00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:43.039 So that's why it gets down there. 00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:45.519 So that was your That was number four for me. 00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:47.759 That was number four for you, okay, and mine was Losley Mary J. 00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:48.000 Yeah. 00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:48.319 Number five. 00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:51.920 Number five was Superboy Prime and Amazing Spider-Man. 00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:54.000 Okay, so both of us have this as number five. 00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:55.359 Yeah, we both have it as five. 00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:55.759 Okay. 00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:57.279 Let me ask you why. 00:30:57.440 --> 00:30:58.720 Why is it number five for you? 00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:03.599 Um I so first of all, I like the story premise premise. 00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:06.000 I think it's really cool that it's all like a fourth wall break. 00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:08.880 And I didn't even know much about Superboy until you told me. 00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:12.559 Because I was like, oh, okay, so he's a you know, he's a fourth wall breaking character. 00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:15.279 And I think that's cool because he he there's some great quotes in this book. 00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:15.920 Yes, there is. 00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:23.039 There's the one where it's like, um, yeah, your entire your entire life story is in a long box in my attic. 00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:24.640 That's such a cool line. 00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:25.839 Like, that's such a great line. 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:27.759 And then like there there was another one. 00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:30.559 Um maybe it was in a different yeah, bruh. 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:32.319 Like, he's gotta take the L. 00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:33.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:46.720 Um, but uh the only reason was because um this also falls into the category of why a lot of these stories didn't didn't get me to be continued. 00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:50.079 To be continued, which we'll I we we I think we both we have, we don't know. 00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:53.039 I don't know if we we agree, but I think we agree. 00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:53.759 I think we do. 00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:58.000 Um it falls into that, and also it it's a lot going on. 00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:03.279 It gets it it once they kind of get to the uh who's the guy that they're fighting in the high evolution. 00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:07.200 The high evolutionary, once they run into him, it's just kind of like all over the place. 00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:08.319 And I kind of got lost. 00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:08.720 Yeah. 00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:11.039 Yeah, I kind of I kind of got lost right there. 00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:19.599 It's yeah, and for me, I don't know why High Evolutionary is the main villain between um we're gonna call them multiverses. 00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:32.640 It's comic books, and because Superboy Prime is like stuck in this universe where he can only go between comic books, he can't go outside of comic books, yeah, kinda, and high evolutionary for some reason is the villain, but that doesn't make any sense to me. 00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:45.279 Um because high evolutionary is more focused on well, evolution, and why is he in, let's say, like a a blank space? 00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:50.559 Because that's a I guess that's a bad choice of words, but like in between multiverses. 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:51.279 Why is he there? 00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:53.119 He has nothing to do with multiverse stuff. 00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:55.839 So that was my problem, but you're right. 00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:59.279 So it's cool when it begins, and the art is great for that story. 00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:00.319 He's got the black suit. 00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:04.240 I love that he's got the I don't know if it's the symbiote or if it's I think it's just the cloth one. 00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:05.839 Okay, yeah, because he was talking to it. 00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:07.440 And Spider Man's like, why are you talking to it? 00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:11.440 Yeah, yeah, because but I wish that it was the symbiote because it'd have been like, oh, you don't know yet. 00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:11.680 Right. 00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:12.960 You know, and he's like, No what? 00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:13.920 Uh, you'll figure it out. 00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:14.640 Right, right, right. 00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:17.039 You know, like that would have been cool, but you know. 00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:23.519 Yeah, because Superboy Prime, I was telling Paul, in case

you're not familiar with Superboy Prime, got sucked in. 00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:28.400 He's from our world where there are no superheroes, and we just read about their lives in comic books. 00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:28.799 Yeah. 00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:40.400 And he gets sucked into a comic book, and I can't remember exactly how, so maybe somebody in the comment section somewhere on Spotify, YouTube, Apple Podcasts, wherever you listen, yes, uh, can comment and correct us. 00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:48.079 But he gets sucked into a comic book, and he his name's Clark Kent, so he ends up getting the powers of Superman in this comic book universe. 00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:51.359 So he can also break the fourth wall because he knows he's in a comic book. 00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:52.000 Right. 00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:57.200 But my point with that is to say it's it gets messy. 00:33:57.599 --> 00:33:58.400 It really does. 00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:04.559 And for people who like you who don't know who Superboy Prime is, that can get confusing. 00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:06.480 Like, why are they jumping between comic books? 00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:13.920 Cool fourth wall moment, cool tie back to the 80s when both of these characters were cool, but yeah, why? 00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:14.719 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.519 So it was just a mid story, it was just yeah, it was mid. 00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:21.119 And there's a lot of like modern day slang in this stuff. 00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:24.000 Yeah, because he says like he sang bruh a lot. 00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:25.840 He says like take the L. 00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:26.239 Yeah. 00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:31.599 He says something else that was like, oh, so like this is for the cool the kids nowadays. 00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:31.760 Yeah. 00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:33.920 And I don't like when comics do that. 00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:34.559 I don't either. 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:37.679 I it I don't like brain rotten my comics. 00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:41.679 But also, like, did they did our books kind of have that? 00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:44.000 Like, did the original Ultimate Spider-Man kind of have that? 00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:48.159 Because I remember like you read it and you see like hanky panky and like stuff like that. 00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:48.639 Yeah. 00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:52.800 But like, I don't know, like, I think it's I think we're getting older, Clayton. 00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:53.840 I think we're getting old. 00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:57.519 Man, I don't want to talk about this because I'm getting close to 30. 00:34:57.760 --> 00:34:59.519 Yeah, and you're about to have a baby. 00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:10.239 The the owner of the comic book store we both shop at, like, when I when I go in there and I'm complaining about how much I hate Venom, she's like, Yeah, um, that's what all the she's like, oh, you're getting old. 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:11.360 And I'm like, what does that mean? 00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:15.840 She's like, well, usually when you get older, you start going, oh, the comics ain't just like how they used to be. 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:17.760 And I'm like, dang it, I'm getting old. 00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:20.000 Diana, if you're listening, you have a point. 00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:20.639 Got a point. 00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:23.599 I never wanted to admit that you have a point, but you have a point. 00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:24.239 You have a point. 00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:25.199 Point for Diana. 00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:29.760 All right, so moving on, story number six. 00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:31.760 For me as Punisher and Power Girl. 00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:33.840 For me, it was Jonathan Kent and Ben Parker. 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:35.199 Okay, we already talked about both of those. 00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:36.239 We talked about both of those, yep. 00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:37.519 Story number seven. 00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:40.800 Uh JJ versus LL. 00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:41.280 LL. 00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:41.840 J. 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:44.000 John Jameson versus Lois Lane. 00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:53.360 It was number seven for me because it's not a high action issue, and it's really just the debate on it's really Lois Lane asking J. 00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:55.039 Joan Jameson why don't you like Spider-Man? 00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:57.199 Yeah, it's literally, and he's like, because he's a menace. 00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:59.280 And she's like, it's because he's wearing the mask, isn't he? 00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:02.960 Well, because he's like talking great about the Fantastic Four and like Captain America. 00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:04.880 America, Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman, even Superman. 00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:05.519 Even Superman. 00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:09.199 And he's just like, Well, Spider-Man's a menace because you know, we print good print. 00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:11.519 And you know, I think the art's great. 00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:21.039 There's a there's a there's a panel of Spider-Man hanging, he's in the studio upside down in the lights, and the I like I read that and I saw that art, and I was like, man, Spider-Man looks so good. 00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:23.760 Yeah I wish he was like fighting people, but he wasn't. 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:30.480 Yeah, and this goes back to our ultimate Spider-Man conversation, but not tying it back too much because I don't want to talk about that book. 00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:35.599 But like dialogue needs to progress the story, and it does here. 00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:37.840 So like the dialogue does serve a purpose. 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:39.039 It is good here. 00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:48.480 It's just I need ah, this is this is gonna tie into future conversation here in just a minute when we finish out our rankings. 00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:49.119 Yeah, yeah. 00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:50.719 Yeah, we agree, we agree. 00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:51.440 Okay, okay. 00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:52.000 I'm excited. 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.760

So our final story, number eight, our least favorite story on the book. 00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:57.280 Jimmy Olson and Carnage. 00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:00.480 Well, you want to say why you didn't like it, why it was your least favorite? 00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:02.159 Why? 00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:03.440 Why did they do it? 00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:05.039 Why didn't you what is the point of this? 00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:11.519 Because it's it's it's you know, it's Jimmy Olsen at the Daily Bugle, and there's some guy dead on the couch. 00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:16.400 I'm saying he's dead, but he's literally in both in the beginning of the book and the end of the book. 00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:23.760 He's just laying there like sleeping, and it's like it's like at first he's like, Oh, it's just some guy, he's heard all this before, and then by the end of the book, you're like, oh no, he's dead. 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:26.960 Um didn't notice that, did you? 00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:27.920 I did. 00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:34.880 You know, like maybe it's like uh because Matt Faction wrote this story, maybe it's like a meta joke about something we just don't understand. 00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:35.760 Maybe, maybe. 00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:37.119 It could be like an inside joke. 00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:40.079 Yeah, maybe he's just like he's bored by his own story. 00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:47.280 Um, but Jimmy Olsen, he's like, Well, I gotta take pictures of the Spider-Man guy for J Juno Jameson. 00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:50.559 I don't know what I'm like, what does he even look like? 00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:53.920 Yeah, and like, because but he calls him Spider Hyphen Man. 00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:54.159 Yeah. 00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:59.440 And Peter is like, no, call and he's got like Mary Jane on one arm and Gwen on the other, or Black Cat. 00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:00.480 I think that's Black Cat. 00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:01.360 Yeah, which is weird. 00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:05.519 Okay, again, Matt Fraction's story can sometimes be very meta. 00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:10.639 And I think that's uh that's a joke on how many girlfriends Peter Parker has had in the comics. 00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:11.519 I get it. 00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:14.239 But that's also not Peter Parker. 00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:16.400 Yeah, that's not, he's not like a cool guy. 00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:18.079 Yeah, you know, he's not Hugh Hefner. 00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:19.119 Yeah, he's not, he's not. 00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:24.159 And so the thing was was that he's like, oh, he's he's he's red. 00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:28.480 Or no, MJ says he's gooey, he's red, and stringy. 00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:32.800 Or he's stringy and he's red, and he's uh it's yeah, yeah, something like that. 00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:36.719 And so Jimmy, and they're like, Jimmy Olson, don't, don't say spider hyphen man. 00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:37.920 It look makes you look like a Taurus. 00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:39.519 Also, don't go down any alleys. 00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:45.280 Well, the first thing he does is he goes down an alley because he sees gooey red everywhere, and there's like a severed foot in the alley. 00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:46.320 And who's in the alley? 00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:51.679 It's Carnage, which I at first when I saw that cover, I was like, Jimmy Olsen and Carnage, that's a weird. 00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:53.039 I'm surprised I didn't buy that variant. 00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:54.079 Yeah, I'm surprised you didn't either. 00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:55.119 But I didn't like the art. 00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:57.119 The art was very it was very minimalist. 00:38:57.280 --> 00:38:57.360 Yeah. 00:38:57.519 --> 00:38:58.159 And I'm just like, eh. 00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:03.440 Like if it was like intense or like or if it was like Clayton Crane, like, oh, I'd be all over it. 00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:06.000 Um probably might have even got a higher rating. 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:08.000 I think the art really lowered the rating. 00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:14.880 But like he goes in the alleyway, he carnage cartoonly beats him up and almost kills him. 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:19.119 Yeah, and then I guess he gets one final shot and then dies. 00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:25.199 Yeah, because and Jameson's like, I love it! He got Spider-Man looking like an absolute monster. 00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:25.840 This is great. 00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:28.639 And it's like, but that's not Spider-Man, that's Carnage. 00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:33.039 Yeah, and and the Superman watch failing because it has to have a system update. 00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:35.519 Yeah, it has to have a system update, and he's like, oh fuh. 00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:37.039 Oh fuge. 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:38.000 And he dies. 00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:39.519 And I didn't say fudge. 00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:41.679 Yeah, and then he then literally Carnage kills him. 00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:44.480 The paper goes live, and the guy is still on the couch dead. 00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:46.079 Um, and that's it. 00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:46.800 That is it. 00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:49.280 It's literally like, why? 00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:52.239 Which brings us to our ultimate conversation. 00:39:52.559 --> 00:40:00.960 Yeah, I think I think, yeah, and again, we have not like I'm excited to talk to you about this because I was like, I have the comment about the whole book as a whole, but I don't want to say it. 00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:02.960 And he goes, I and you said like I do too. 00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:04.239 Yeah, let's save it. 00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:05.440 Well, we're gonna say it now. 00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:06.079 So let's say it. 00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:12.320 So um I think ever there's no need to have this many stories in the book because all of them are cut short. 00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:14.320 All of them, yes, exactly. 00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:16.639 All of these stories suffer from being too short. 00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:17.360 Yes. 00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:27.760

And if even the main story, even the main story, we both put it number one, it was longer than the rest of the stories, but they're all there's no time for to flesh any of this out. 00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:40.400 There's no if you wanted to do honestly, you know, people would buy if you did DC Marvel crossovers, you gave each one of these a 30-page comic, people would buy these issues. 00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:41.679 Oh, I I I agree. 00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:45.920 Yeah, but especially scalpers who are like, this is gonna be what something's gonna be or something. 00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:47.199 We're gonna buy it all and tell it. 00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:54.639 But give give each of these teams a full-length story to tell the story, and it would have been ten times better. 00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:57.360 But that's the problem this book lacks, in my opinion. 00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:16.320 Yeah, and the same thing that the when they did the Batman Deadpool story, there was only one of those stories that really I think had time to flesh out in those, and it really would have helped each one of these to have more time to flesh out because none of this should have been I'm not asking for a full on arc, though that would be amazing for something like this. 00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:23.840 I'd love that, but even a one, one, a full one-shot would really give this time to breathe. 00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:25.599 Yeah, I that's that's what I think. 00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:28.559 I think the the first story should have been the whole book. 00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:28.880 Yeah. 00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:32.000 Especially if you're gonna have a jumbo-sized book, make it a bigger story. 00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:45.599 Yeah, but there's I don't think there's any need to tell all of these stories because again, the reason like you know, Jonathan Kent and Ben Parker was your second story, it was my sixth because I I just I don't know. 00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:47.119 It it was cut short. 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:47.599 It was. 00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:50.800 It was just like, okay, they're doing this thing, they saved somebody and it's over. 00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:51.119 Yeah. 00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:54.800 And then there's like, you know, the like um, what is it? 00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:57.760 Like the the Superboy, the Superboy Prime and Spider-Man. 00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:02.480 The first thing I said was um like when it ended, I was like, oh, that's it. 00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:03.119 Yep, you did. 00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:05.119 That was literally the first thing I said was like, oh, it's over already. 00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:05.360 Yeah. 00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:10.880 It it's just as soon as the story starts to go somewhere, it literally just stops, like a train hitting a wall. 00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:12.159 We can't go over that page count. 00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:13.440 Yep, we can't go over the page count. 00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:21.599 And like, you know, I just think that you know, stories like Jimmy Olsen and Carnage is not necessary. 00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:32.079 No, you know, like all these other stories are cool, but give us a Superman Spider-Man book and just be like, if if I was in the office when they were making this, the first thing I would say was is we don't need all these stories. 00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:32.480 No. 00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:34.000 We need like maybe two. 00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:34.480 Right. 00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:38.960 You could have a small story at the very end, but there the keep this Superman Spider-Man. 00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:41.119 Because the rest of these stories are not Superman Spider-Man. 00:42:41.199 --> 00:42:51.280 It's like, you know, it's Jonathan Kent and Ben Parker, it's Lois Lane and Mary Jane, or it's alternate Spider-Man and Alternate Superman, or you know, another alternate Spider-Man, another alternate Superman. 00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:52.960 Well, what about Punisher and Power Girl? 00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:55.599 Which honestly, like, I like that story, and I rated it third. 00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:56.639 I'm kind of regretting that. 00:42:56.880 --> 00:42:57.599 Because of Paul. 00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:01.039 Well, not only that, but because like, why Punisher and Power Girl? 00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:01.280 Yeah. 00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:07.679 They're just uh like it's like it's like they're more concerned with like okay, it it kind of feels like Ultimate Spider-Man a little bit. 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:11.920 They're concerned with all the other toys, but not the main toys that should be working together, right? 00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:14.000 It's like, well, what about this character and this character? 00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.000 What what how would these two characters interact? 00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:21.440 It's like focus on how Spider-Man and Superman would interact, and all the other characters can interact within their story. 00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:26.320 You and I have have that's a good way to put it, all your toys. 00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:33.440 But you and I have never sat down and had a conversation and said, Man, what would Lois Lane and Mary Jane Watson do if they ever met each other? 00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:33.920 Yeah. 00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:39.599 We have always if we've talked, it's always been what would Spider-Man and Superman do if they met? 00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:39.920 Yeah. 00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:46.239 We've never said, man, one thing I really wish I had from DC and Marvel is a Jimmy Olsen carnage story. 00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:46.639 Yeah. 00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:47.360 That's what I mean. 00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:49.199 These are stories that nobody has ever asked. 00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:51.280 The Batman Beyond the Spider-Man 2099. 00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:52.480 That's the one I've been asking for. 00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:53.440 We have been asking for that. 00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:56.239 Its own book. 00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:56.719 Yeah. 00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:59.360

But but these other stories, nobody's ever. 00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:01.440 And I know that's the argument. 00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:02.639 Nobody asked for this. 00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:03.199 Yeah. 00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:05.519 But we we did. 00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:08.880 And and that doesn't mean that it can't be a good story if nobody asked for it. 00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:09.280 Right. 00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:12.559 But the story we want is the story we got. 00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:14.719 We j you get it's like a one and done. 00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:15.199 Right. 00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:21.119 And it's like we could have spent the time reading all of these, like you know, other seven other stories. 00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:26.880 You get the first one, but then the other seven, it's like that could have been more of the first one, which we both liked a lot of. 00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:27.840 I don't know. 00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:36.639 I just I So since they started doing these Marvel DC crossovers last year with Batman and Deadpool, they've done Batman and Deadpool, Deadpool and Batman. 00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:41.519 They've done a Flash and Fantastic Four that's only on digital. 00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:42.960 Oh, I didn't even know they did that. 00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:46.000 Yeah, and they did a Thor and Shazam that's also only on digital. 00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:47.599 Okay, didn't know that either. 00:44:48.559 --> 00:44:50.639 And then of course Superman Spider-Man. 00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:51.039 Yeah. 00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:54.719 And all of these, all of these stories suffer from being too short. 00:44:54.880 --> 00:45:05.280 And another problem I have with these stories is something that I remember reading in a comic a long time ago when they did the original crossovers, but I've not quite been able to find what issue it appears in. 00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:10.480 But they never explain they they just assume now that these characters live in the same universe. 00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:14.960 Yeah, they just they're just like Spider-Man's all of a sudden in Metropolis. 00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:15.360 Right. 00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:15.760 Right? 00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:22.480 Or Spider-Man 2099 is all of a sudden in Gotham 2099, or what or whatever year it 2039 or whatever even yeah it is. 00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:29.039 Yeah, it's just it's like they're taking one person and just like throwing it in the other air in their book, and then it's just like, yep, figure it out. 00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:38.639 Yeah, and I and I wish if a story had more time to breathe, which I wish these did, you could explain why is this the same universe now? 00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:44.960 Is this an alternate universe where these just characters just exist in the same universe but have never interacted until this point? 00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:46.559 I find that hard to believe. 00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:56.800 And like I I want to take a little side tangent for a minute because um one of

the books I sat out, we have a little all of our books are sitting around, is the Marvel team up Invincible Spider-Man. 00:45:56.960 --> 00:45:57.119 Yes. 00:45:57.440 --> 00:46:00.880 Um, real quick because like um as a crossover done, right? 00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:01.519 It was a crossover. 00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:04.719 Yeah, it was a very good crossover because it was Invincible. 00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:10.800 It's it's from his book where he goes into Spider-Man's universe, but in the Invincible book, it's just like one panel. 00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:11.119 Right. 00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:16.320 But this, it's like he's in there, the door closes, and Invincible's talking to Spider-Man, like, hey, like what's going on? 00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:19.199 And he helps Spider-Man out and they kind of talk it out. 00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:32.480 But it's so good because it feels like it's it's it feels like they're welcoming Invincible into the universe, and he kind of fits in a little bit, but also doesn't, and they're kind of talking about stuff, and Spider-Man's like, well, you know, this is kind of how I look at being a hero. 00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:35.039 Like, that's that's what I feel like this should have been. 00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:35.679 Yes, right. 00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:36.159 I agree. 00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:40.880 And I would love to see like you know, Peter learn some stuff from Superman, but also Superman learned some stuff from Peter. 00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:41.199 Right. 00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:46.000 Like I think that that that would be really cool, but again, it it it was so rushed, and I hate that. 00:46:46.079 --> 00:47:05.199 Like, I hate that we're rushing it because um, as I mentioned earlier, my favorite crossover is Spider-Man Batman because they do the little trope of like the villain swapping, but at the same time, you get to see the villains work together, and you actually see them like Carnage talks to Joker about like, oh, like why are you doing all this nonsense? 00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:07.039 Like just kill him and just be done with it. 00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:10.320 Yeah, you know, and then you see like Batman and Spider-Man kind of talk. 00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:15.920 It it it fleshes those moments out more that this book doesn't have time to do because it's so quick, right? 00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:16.400 You know? 00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:19.360 So that's my opinion on it personally. 00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:26.880 It is, and honestly, I guess the question is, is it worth$9.99? 00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:31.360 You know, I think because we're getting what eight stories? 00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:31.840 Yeah. 00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:33.679 That's almost a dollar a story. 00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:38.960 I mean, it's not bad. 00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:44.079 You know, when I bought I compared this to Venom 200 because that was what,$9.99 when it came out? 00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:48.079 And that was a couple that was four last years. 00:47:48.559 -->

00:47:49.360 Four or five years ago? 00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:49.840 Oh wow. 00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:50.639 Yeah, that was a long time ago. 00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:52.320 Venom 200's been out for a long time. 00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:53.760 Um that was a long time ago. 00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:57.679 Um, but it was like, you know, a big finale and it was worth it. 00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:02.159 Especially me who bought all 20 variants and spent$300 at the comic book store that day. 00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:08.559 Um, but uh I don't uh what do you think? 00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:18.400 I gave I give this book for all the hype it had, for all the excitement I had for it, I still love every cover. 00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:20.719 I give it a solid seven out of ten. 00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:21.199 Okay. 00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:26.000 So I say, would I pay$9.99 for it again? 00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:27.199 Probably not. 00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:28.719 Would I pay five dollars? 00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:30.159 Sure, I'll pay five dollars. 00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:33.840 But ten dollars can go a long way in today's world, kind of. 00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:36.079 It could buy you a gallon of milk and that's pretty much it. 00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:38.800 But yeah, yeah, it's a third of my gas state. 00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:40.079 Yeah, it's a third of the gas, yeah. 00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:42.719 So yeah, I would pay five dollars for it. 00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:44.639 I don't think I would pay$9.99 for it. 00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:46.239 Yeah, it's it was okay. 00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:47.280 Because yeah. 00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:49.360 Not bad, not great. 00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:50.480 Just okay. 00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:53.679 Is it is it bad that I think the covers are better than the actual book? 00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:55.360 Oh, I I'm thinking that right now. 00:48:55.519 --> 00:49:01.840 Like we're both looking at our covers, and I'm just like, I I'm getting more enjoyment looking at the cover art than I was actually reading the book. 00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:02.159 Yeah. 00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:03.840 Which is interesting. 00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:15.519 It is, it is a let let the lotto do a inside story of just the black suit and Superman in his black costume coming back, and they're both kind of like a little bit darker. 00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:16.239 Yeah, yeah. 00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:18.480 But also, we're getting a part two to this. 00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:21.679 We are, so maybe the Marvel version will be better. 00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:34.480 Maybe that hurts that hurts because I think of what Marvel has done with Spider-Man so far, and I'm like, no, we're definitely, we are definitely, I'm gonna put money on it now. 00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:38.079 We are definitely going to get Paul in that story somehow. 00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:38.800 How much do you want? 00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:39.679 What do you want to bet on it? 00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:40.960 Let's make it, let's do something. 00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:41.440 Let's do something. 00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:45.440 We gotta I'll buy you dinner one night before we record. 00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:49.679 So whatever you want, anywhere from ten dollars to if he's in it. 00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:50.320 If he's in it. 00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:52.800 I'm betting that right now that he's gonna be in it. 00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:53.360 Okay. 00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:58.639 If I'll buy you dinner from wherever you Well, but also we both agree that he we probably won't be in it. 00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:00.400 I'll tell you what, okay, I'll throw you one too. 00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:00.719 Okay. 00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:05.679 If Venom, I think Venom and Superman are gonna get a story in Spider-Man's. 00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:07.039 I could almost guarantee that. 00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:08.400 I I I yeah. 00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:12.079 So if that's the case, I will buy you dinner. 00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:14.239 And if we're both right, then I guess we'll just buy each other dinner. 00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:15.760 We'll just buy each other dinner and have a great time. 00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:17.440 We'll go in and just get a big meal. 00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:17.679 Yeah. 00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:20.480 And we'll eat before the show and be like, oh, well, we were both right. 00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:22.480 Our bellies are so full. 00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:25.599 Yeah, I I or yeah. 00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:28.079 Or if neither one of them are in it, we just starve. 00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:30.159 We just starve for a whole week. 00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:36.559 And my wife makes dinner and I'm like, I'm sorry, I lost a bed, I can't eat. 00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:39.519 Yeah, Paul wasn't in the book. 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:41.519 I can't eat, I'm sorry. 00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:44.639 And then Elisa's like, hey, uh, what do you want to do for dinner? 00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:45.440 Uh nothing. 00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:47.920 Venom wasn't in the book, I can't eat. 00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:51.840 But yeah, we'll get a part two to this, so hopefully that will be better. 00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:54.800 I I mean, I'm I'm this was an exciting book. 00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:55.920 It was an exciting release. 00:50:56.079 --> 00:50:58.239 Are you are you disappointed at all with it? 00:50:58.320 --> 00:50:59.840 Because you seem like you're a little disappointed. 00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:07.599 I I'm I'm really, really, really conflicted because there are great moments, and I I wouldn't say I'm disappointed. 00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:08.079 Okay. 00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:09.199 I I wouldn't say that. 00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:13.599 Because there are great moments, and I get to see these two characters interact uh again. 00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:18.159 It's nice to see them interacting in a more modern kind of again. 00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:28.639 The the the last one was fifty years ago, so it's still I would say silver age, kind of bronze age, so it's still the

let's check on what our heroes are doing at this moment. 00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:29.199 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:32.079 Which was the Jimmy Olsen comic in this one, so we didn't escape that. 00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:33.360 We but No, we didn't. 00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:35.840 But we got to see them interact in a modern setting. 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:37.840 Um, the art is incredible. 00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:40.000 The art's very amazing art. 00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:47.039 That's what we agree with, is that that's why I wanted to shout out the artists who worked on this, because I think every artist put in their A game. 00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:47.440 Yeah. 00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:49.360 Um, so I'll give them that. 00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:49.920 Yeah. 00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:56.800 Um The stories, I could have if if you would have given me just three of these stories, I think I would have still been happy. 00:51:57.039 --> 00:51:58.400 And I I don't think the stories are bad. 00:51:58.639 --> 00:51:59.920 No, they're not going to be able to do that. 00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:01.840 You know, like the stories are interesting. 00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:11.360 Even the the Mary Jane and Lois Lane, like my my big tiff with that issue is the fact that it's um is the fact that uh Gambit gets a freaking splash page. 00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:11.920 That's my big complaint. 00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:12.639 That's my big complaint. 00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:20.400 And that they're and like I and person honestly, I feel like, and I feel like a lot of our uh Instagram commenters are gonna be like, wait a minute. 00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:26.719 Um I think if they were sitting down at a restaurant and having this conversation, I would have enjoyed it more. 00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:27.920 Is that bad? 00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:33.039 Because there's a variant cover of them too on a roof, on a roof balcony talking. 00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:37.280 I think it would have been cooler if they Okay, I sorry idea, right? 00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:37.440 Yeah. 00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:45.119 What if they were sitting on the roof and they're having dinner and they're like, and and she's like, and like they're either in New York, I think it'd be cool if they were in New York, right? 00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:46.480 To bring Superman to New York. 00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:50.320 And they're like, you know, oh, you know, MJ's like, well, what brings you to New York? 00:52:50.480 --> 00:53:04.000 Well, you know, uh Clark's got this thing going on, and you know, um, or like like she doesn't know, or she's not gonna tell MJ that that Superman is Clark, and spy they're both fighting a sentinel or some big monster in the background, right? 00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:11.119 And everybody on this balcony gets up and leaves because they're terrified, but they're just sitting there like, uh, like, you don't want to get up? 00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:12.000 No, I'm okay. 00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:12.800 Yeah, okay. 00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:21.199 And then like the the last part of the story is like they've beat the monster in the background, and they've and MJ's like, is that Clark? 00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:22.639 Yeah, yeah, is that Peter? 00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:23.119 Mm-hmm. 00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:24.000 Like, I don't know. 00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:32.159 I feel like that would have been just a it would have been more because for two characters like like and again commenters, yeah. 00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:34.480 Hold on, hold your breath. 00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:40.800 Like, these two characters should be having a sit-down area with the battle in the background. 00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:40.960 Right. 00:53:41.199 --> 00:53:46.960 Because we're see we want to see their story and we want to see that for once, and have that little entertainment in the background. 00:53:47.119 --> 00:54:01.760 Um, but if they were all sitting down for a whole issue, it'd be you know, but it it's you're getting like a comedic view of it, like you're seeing them fight, and then you see both girls realize like, ah, that's why we're so calm right now, and that's like because we're used to this, we know they're gonna win, right? 00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:02.639 Everything's fine. 00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:03.440 It I don't know. 00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:04.480 I I would have preferred that. 00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:05.760 I would have preferred that too. 00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:11.199 But I would have twisted the story just a little bit and that they've actually known each other and they're actually friends. 00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:11.760 Okay. 00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:14.159 And and that they're like, so how you been? 00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:15.119 Oh, I've been good. 00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:19.440 Survive like another crisis, and yeah, you know, like they they know. 00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:23.519 Um and it feels like they uh they definitely know each other in this. 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:31.039 Um but they also don't ever hint at like it's just oh I've been through another crisis lately. 00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:32.800 Yeah, and and me too. 00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:33.360 Did you die? 00:54:33.519 --> 00:54:34.320 Yeah, I died. 00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:34.880 What about you? 00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:36.559 Oh, of course, girl, you know, yeah. 00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:38.639 And I but your story is is is great too. 00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:40.800 And I I think well, and I think like that would be cool too. 00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:45.039 Yeah, like maybe, maybe like the Superman thing is the surprise. 00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:50.239 And then and then like that could be like the halfway point of the book, and then the rest of the book they could be talking like, so how do you deal with this? 00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:53.119 Like when he leaves in the middle of a date, like does that not bother you? 00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:56.320 Yeah, it does bother me, but also like those moments, you know. 00:54:56.559 --> 00:54:59.920 And

you know, there was a mention in that story uh where they talk. 00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:00.800 We should write a book. 00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:01.440 We should. 00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:02.079 We should. 00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:03.039 We just need an artist. 00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:10.719 So if you're an aspiring artist out there, hey Nick, um Dragata, can you do can you can you hit us up and we you draw our book? 00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:11.679 We're we're still working on it. 00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:12.480 We're working on it right now. 00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:13.199 Brainstorming. 00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:14.079 Yeah, we're brainstorming. 00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:18.800 But Nick Dragotta's like, no, I shall steal this and put this for the next one. 00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:20.239 It's alright. 00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:21.519 I don't think you do that, Nick Dragata. 00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:22.559 Yeah, no, no, yeah. 00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:29.760 Uh, but but anyways, I I they hinted at like having kids and like what's it like being married and being a superhero? 00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:31.119 They hinted at that in the story. 00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:31.440 Yeah. 00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:32.880 But I don't know. 00:55:32.960 --> 00:55:33.840 I'm not disappointed. 00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:34.800 Are you disappointed? 00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:35.599 I'm not. 00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:36.159 I'm not. 00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:44.480 I I I I am disappointed in Marvel just because it's like, or whoever well, I guess this is D Seymour, right? 00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:45.280 This is DC Moore. 00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:45.920 DC Moore. 00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:47.039 Well, I'm gonna collaborate. 00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:49.519 I'm disappointed that they cut all the stories short. 00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:51.440 You know, that's what I'm the most disappointed. 00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:53.599 But you know, we got Superman Spider-Man. 00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:54.559 I think that's really cool. 00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:55.679 The covers are great. 00:55:56.480 --> 00:55:58.239 I keep staring at the Clayton Crane cover. 00:55:58.320 --> 00:56:00.400 Like when I meet him, if I'm because I've met him. 00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:01.760 You met him several times. 00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:03.119 I've met him like five or six times. 00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:04.079 I met him a lot. 00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:07.119 Um if I see him again, this is definitely a cover I'll get him to sign. 00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:07.280 Yeah. 00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:09.039 Because I've never got him to sign something cool like this. 00:56:09.199 --> 00:56:13.280 Like this reminds me a lot of the Punisher uh Iron War Machine cover. 00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:14.480 Because it's a bright, hopefully. 00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:22.000 You know, um it reminds me of the uh the cover he did with Spider-Man with the American flag draped around his back. 00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:23.039 Oh, that's such a cool cover. 00:56:24.559 --> 00:56:26.159 Yeah, you can't get that freaking thing anywhere. 00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:28.719 Yeah, the Carnage one you can, but the Spider-Man one, no. 00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:31.360 So, speaking of Spider-Man, Superman Spider-Man. 00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:32.559 Oh, yes. 00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:33.360 Ooh. 00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:36.960 Even better Spider-Man content. 00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:37.519 Yes. 00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:40.239 Uh let's talk about the trailer, the brand new day trailer. 00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:41.599 Brand new day trailer. 00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:44.960 Um you I led with Superman Spider-Man, so you lead with this one. 00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:47.119 Okay, so first of all, I'm really excited about this trailer. 00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:48.639 I want to talk about the cinematography first. 00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:49.039 Oh, yeah. 00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:51.119 The cinematography on this trailer is insane. 00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:52.000 It's so good. 00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:55.119 You get um you I I love the shot. 00:56:55.199 --> 00:56:57.280 My favorite shot so far is the inside the mask. 00:56:57.519 --> 00:56:58.000 Inside the mask. 00:56:58.239 --> 00:56:58.960 When you see his eye. 00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:01.360 Dude, let me just say this real quick about that. 00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:10.719 So everybody I have talked to about the trailer, everybody, whether they're a hardcore superhero fan or not, like my dad, he's just he just likes the movies. 00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:15.360 He's read a few comic books here and there, but like never been hard out as hardcore into it as I am. 00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:15.760 Yeah, yeah. 00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:19.039 The first thing he said to me was that shot inside the mask. 00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:19.519 Yeah. 00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:22.639 Like everybody is talking about that shot because that is incredible. 00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:23.440 We've never seen that. 00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:25.199 We've never seen a shot like that before. 00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:33.920 And I love the um one of the things I love is I love that we're getting a more cloudy day type vibe in the city, right? 00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:42.880 You can tell, like Peter's, you know, he's checking their Instagram their Instagram profile, and they're talking about how excited they are to go to MIT. 00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:53.360 And MJ's and and Ned says to MJ, like, pretend like you've never been happier in your life, and she's like, I can't, you know, and it's so it's like, oh, because you know, she doesn't remember Peter. 00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:57.280 And he and he closes his phone and he puts the mask on and then he just drops off the building. 00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:00.239 And it's just like, gotta go back to being Spider-Man, yeah. 00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:10.639 You know, and and this, I hope this movie does what the previous home trilogy movies didn't do, because in Spider-Man Homecoming, Spider-Man was very excited. 00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:12.559 He was always just like

wanting to be Spider-Man, right? 00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:14.559 Spider-Man Far From Home, he wasn't. 00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:16.000 He was like wanting to go on vacation. 00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:18.719 He's like, I don't really want to do Spider-Man stuff right now, I don't really want to do it. 00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:26.000 And like then Spider-Man No Way Home, he was so focused on getting into college and he he did the Spider-Man stuff, but it wasn't uh, you know. 00:58:26.559 --> 00:58:28.960 This is like he's leaning on being Spider-Man more. 00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:31.199 That's all that's that's all he has. 00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:34.079 And he's just like, Okay, I gotta put the mask on. 00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:36.880 Like, let me let me go swing and take my thoughts off all this. 00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:38.320 I'm so excited to see that. 00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:43.360 Yeah, we're getting Frank Castle as the Punisher, we're getting uh Mark Ruffalo as the Hulk. 00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:47.280 Now, my friend actually, my friend Justin, he gave me a really good opinion on this. 00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:50.480 He said, I don't like that Hulk's there, that should be Dr. 00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:51.119 Connors. 00:58:51.760 --> 00:58:54.000 And when he said that, I was like, I agree. 00:58:54.079 --> 00:58:56.239 You know, I think that would have been way cooler. 00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:58.320 Yeah, yeah, I can see that. 00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:05.360 But because the reason he's there is because Sony has that deal in the contract where they have to include an Avengers character in every Spider-Man film. 00:59:05.679 --> 00:59:05.920 Really? 00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:06.719 I did not know that. 00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:17.920 In their contract, uh they have to that's why every movie, you know, Iron Man was in Homecoming, Nick Fury was in Far From Home, uh Doctor Strange was in No Way Home, and now Bruce Banners. 00:59:18.159 --> 00:59:18.800 He just blew my mind. 00:59:19.039 --> 00:59:23.760 Yeah, that in their contract, uh they Marvel says that or Sony, it's either Sony or Marvel. 00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:24.639 I don't know who made the deal. 00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:24.880 Yeah. 00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:29.760 But for Marvel to make the movies, they have to include one main line adventure character in every film. 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:31.119 I don't agree with that. 00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:38.800 No, I think like as a main character, that's why like you know, Doctor Strange has a pivotal, like all those characters have pivotal roles in all the movies. 00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:42.719 It can't just be like a oh yeah, I'm Bruce Banner, yeah, you're transforming, and that's it. 00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:45.119 You know, um what were you gonna say? 00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:45.440 I'm sorry. 00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:46.639 No, no, no, no. 00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:49.760 I was gonna say, I well, I guess Punisher counts too. 00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:54.559 But Punish because they've talked

more about Punisher being in the film than they have the Hulk. 00:59:54.719 --> 01:00:00.400 So I think I really think Bruce Banner will have a small role, and I think the Punisher will have a much bigger role. 01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:01.039 I hope. 01:00:01.119 --> 01:00:04.000 I would rather see him have a bigger role than than Hulk. 01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:08.320 And and uh if it's Hulk, I I don't want smart Hulk, I want Monster Hulk. 01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:16.320 I'm ready to see yeah, I'm ready to see Rage Out Hulk because you know, I just uh But unfortunately I think we are gonna get Professor Hulk again. 01:00:16.480 --> 01:00:22.159 Yeah, probably he's got the I notice he's got the thing on his hand that lets him transform that was he wore in She-Hulk, I think. 01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:25.119 Yeah, because it he can transform with that thing. 01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:25.679 Right. 01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:35.360 So I think I think we're gonna get Professor Hulk because I think they're gonna do the panel where Hulk remembers that Spider-Man is Peter Parker, but Bruce Banner does not. 01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:38.239 Well, but also when he's Professor Hulk, he's not a different personality. 01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:39.280 He's still Bruce Banner. 01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:42.079 That's true, but but in the panel, Hulk does remember. 01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:44.159 Yeah, I've seen that comic panel. 01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:44.639 Yeah, yeah. 01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:47.599 I think I that would be cool, and I hope that we get Monster. 01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:50.079 I just I just read I'd rather we have Monster Hulk. 01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:51.599 Yeah, I don't like Professor Hulk. 01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:59.440 Um something we are getting though, in in terms of monstrosity, is we're doing the Spider-Man story, the other. 01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:04.559 And if you are not familiar with this storyline, this is where Spider-Man's powers begin to mutate. 01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:04.960 Yes. 01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:08.800 And he begins to wake up in a cocoon and he's like, What's happening? 01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:10.800 And his he doesn't need his web shooters anymore. 01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:12.000 He's got natural webbing. 01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:14.480 Is this are we getting back into Sam Raimi films? 01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:24.480 No, my friend, we are getting Man Spider, which I'm very excited to see because I have never thought we would I never even I never even put that to like No put that in the movie box. 01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:37.360 You know, it was just like that was a story that I never it's it's it's one of my favorite stories because that's a great arc, is when he turns into man spider, but it was an arc that I never was like, oh, this would be a cool movie, right? 01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:39.679 You know, it's just like it's just like oh this is the arc, you know. 01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:48.960 But but that brings into view that this Spider-Man movie seems very comic

accurate. 01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:52.800 Yes, like we're pulling straight from Spider-Man covers. 01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:58.400 Yes, we get the amazing fantasy 15 shot, we get the um the boomerang. 01:01:58.480 --> 01:01:59.119 I don't know what issue. 01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:00.320 I don't know what issue that is. 01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:01.360 Um I think I have that issue. 01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:02.079 Really have that. 01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:02.400 I don't know. 01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:04.000 They probably just shot up in value. 01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:05.440 I don't have the tarantula one. 01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:11.840 Okay, that's the first appearance of Tarantula of that cover, but um the those cover shots are really cool. 01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:12.480 Oh, yeah. 01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:14.159 I'm so glad we're getting those. 01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:14.800 They're amazing. 01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:17.920 They are amazing, some might spectacular, you know. 01:02:18.159 --> 01:02:19.599 Some might even say ultimate. 01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:21.199 Oh not that one. 01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:24.880 We hate the book. 01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:38.000 Um, but um, I think it would be really cool, and what's really funny is that um my me and my girlfriend watched the trailer, and real quick, I told her I was like, I I'm gonna bet because there's a shot which you didn't notice that I noticed. 01:02:38.079 --> 01:02:41.760 I don't know if this is like a CGI change thing, or if I just been looking at it weird. 01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:45.679 When he's in the cocoon, you get a first-person shot of him opening the cocoon. 01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:51.280 His his his left hand, which if you're looking at him, it's his right hand, is black. 01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:59.760 Yeah, and I'm wondering if he's already mutating and his hand is becoming like is if he's just like getting skin, his skin's changing color. 01:02:59.840 --> 01:02:59.920 Right. 01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:00.239 Right? 01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:02.400 Like it's a he's like, What's wrong with my hand? 01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:04.880 You know, and that's like a beginning part of the mutation or something. 01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:15.440 Um and of course, I told Elisa I was like, I'm gonna bet like in the next week we're already gonna get people going, they're doing venom, they're doing the venom story, they're doing the black suit. 01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:18.159 And by God, that's all I'm seeing on social media. 01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:19.199 Yes, that's all I'm seeing. 01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:22.239 And I'm so I wish I'd actually gambled on it because then I'd have won a lot of money. 01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:22.480 Yeah. 01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:23.679 Um I don't think they're doing that. 01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:25.280 I don't think they are at all. 01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:26.159 We talked about that though. 01:03:26.320 --> 01:03:27.679 When you called me, we did called me. 01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:28.400 Dude, dude, dude. 01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:30.000 I think uh never mind, never mind. 01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:32.639 I did you well I I called you because I was like, Did you see his hand? 01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:33.519 His hand's black. 01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:35.360 And you're like, oh, is it the symbiote? 01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:36.239 And I was like, no. 01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:37.920 That thing's definitely mutated. 01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:45.360 You idiot! I I but I hope, I hope, like what I would really like is if he's starting to get in. 01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:48.559 I don't know if there's a guy hitting on MJ in the trailer. 01:03:48.800 --> 01:03:53.760 If that's Paul, I I'm it better not be Marvel. 01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:56.320 Don't you I would put it back off. 01:03:56.559 --> 01:04:03.599 Um I would pay money almost to just to see it, Paul, to see all the comet fans go, uh, this guy again. 01:04:03.840 --> 01:04:05.599 Yeah, uh, get him out of here. 01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:07.840 I wish I do I wish I had a boo button so bad. 01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:09.920 Um we're gonna have to wink it our own. 01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:11.199 We're gonna have to put a boo button on here. 01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:13.599 We're gonna be a laugh track and a boo button. 01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:15.920 Please laugh at this. 01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:17.199 Yeah, it's funny. 01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:19.280 Just keep pushing the button. 01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:36.400 Um, but I think it will be really cool if he's trying to become friends with MJ and Ned, and he's trying to like, you know, get them back to where they were, and all of a sudden he starts having these mutations where he's growing extra arms and he's like, I can't, I can't like I'm supposed to hang out with her. 01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:38.559 I can't hang out with her now because I'm mutating. 01:04:38.639 --> 01:04:38.719 Right. 01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:39.760 Like, oh my gosh. 01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:41.599 But um, we're getting Man Spider. 01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:49.119 Um, I think Punisher being there is really cool because he was a main character in the 90s cartoon, and he was actually in the Man Spider episodes. 01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:49.599 Yeah. 01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:51.599 Um, also, fun concept. 01:04:51.760 --> 01:04:54.559 I would love to see Hulk in Man Spider fight. 01:04:54.639 --> 01:04:55.519 I think that'd be really sick. 01:04:55.599 --> 01:04:56.000 That would be a good thing. 01:04:56.159 --> 01:04:56.719 Monster Hulk. 01:04:56.960 --> 01:05:00.719 Not just, you know, but um that's all I got for the trailer. 01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:01.920 Okay, what do you think? 01:05:02.159 --> 01:05:08.719 So I have heard that Tom Holland has described Spider-Man's relationship with the Punisher in this as like a big brother, little brother thing. 01:05:09.119 --> 01:05:14.400 So I definitely think that Punisher is gonna have a much bigger role in this um this movie. 01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:23.039 I almost said series because I'm so

hooked on like comics, but um, I really think we're gonna get that interaction a lot, which I think is gonna be good. 01:05:23.199 --> 01:05:39.039 And I think, or I kind of hope something along these lines will happen that Punisher Spider-Man's trying to figure out how to balance the two, and and Punisher's gonna be the the devil's advocate and saying you need to be the hero, you need to forget your old life, just like I have forgotten my old life. 01:05:39.199 --> 01:05:49.360 Yeah, you need to just continue on and forget it, forget her, leave her alone, go be Spider-Man, go be a hero, man up and Spider-Man's like having to struggle with that. 01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:59.840 So as he's transforming into man spider, Punisher's like, This is what I'm telling you you are not going to be able to be, or even be like, if you become a monster. 01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:01.599 I have to put you down. 01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:03.519 That yeah, yeah, yeah, that would be really cool. 01:06:03.679 --> 01:06:03.920 Yeah. 01:06:04.000 --> 01:06:04.159 Yeah. 01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:06.159 But I think Punisher's gonna play a big role. 01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:07.280 I'm not a big Punisher fan. 01:06:07.440 --> 01:06:07.920 I'm not either. 01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:09.519 But just because I've never really read stuff. 01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:12.960 Like if there's a good Punisher comic out there, recommend it, please. 01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:13.519 I will read it. 01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:16.159 I think Punisher Punisher Ward is it War Journal? 01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:18.719 War Journal is the one that gets recommended a lot, I think. 01:06:18.880 --> 01:06:26.079 Um Punisher Max is I've heard is also really good, but I don't really care much for Garth Innis, but this is a conversation for another time. 01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:28.880 Uh we're gonna have to start making notes of things that we've said. 01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:29.360 We'll talk about this. 01:06:29.679 --> 01:06:31.119 Yeah, we'll talk about this later and we just never do. 01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:31.360 Yeah. 01:06:31.679 --> 01:06:33.599 The episode title will be things that we were gonna talk about. 01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:35.440 Things that we were gonna talk about that we didn't. 01:06:35.599 --> 01:06:39.840 It's like oh my my my last uh my last bathroom experience. 01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:41.280 Um bathroom talk. 01:06:42.719 --> 01:06:47.119 Hello and welcome to the hello, welcome to bathroom talk here on the on the pool list. 01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:51.760 But but I think the I think the cinematography is great. 01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:54.400 I think that is the thing that really stands out the most. 01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:56.159 The suit looks good. 01:06:56.320 --> 01:07:00.639 There's such a great contrast between everything else and the suit. 01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:01.199 Yes. 01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:07.679 Do you think, question for you, that they edited this trailer when he's fighting the ninja, the hand at

the end? 01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:08.960 I don't know. 01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:12.079 I I th I definitely think there might be some edits. 01:07:12.320 --> 01:07:14.239 Um I don't know. 01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:15.679 I I don't even either. 01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:16.559 And honestly. 01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:21.840 Because there's also the one shot where he webs the sword and breaks it and his eyes are black. 01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:22.320 Yes. 01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:23.920 Um that's really cool. 01:07:24.159 --> 01:07:25.440 They say that Mary Jane is in his eyes. 01:07:25.599 --> 01:07:27.519 You can see his reflect the yeah, you can see Mary Jane. 01:07:27.599 --> 01:07:29.679 Yeah, so and it's like his eyes are getting a little red. 01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:32.000 So what if because doesn't Man Spider have red eyes? 01:07:32.159 --> 01:07:33.119 Uh yeah, yeah. 01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:35.039 So I'm getting excited. 01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:36.880 I'm I'm gonna be honest with you. 01:07:37.119 --> 01:07:38.880 I I hope they didn't edit it. 01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:40.719 I hope it is just Spider-Man. 01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:48.719 I'm gonna be honest, but and and I want that because I don't want all these other characters like it's cool to see Spider-Man interact with other characters, right? 01:07:48.800 --> 01:07:54.320 Like, I mean that's cool, but I just want a Spider-Man, like let's just focus on Spider-Man in this movie. 01:07:54.559 --> 01:07:55.199 Yeah, no, I agree. 01:07:55.440 --> 01:08:02.159 I think having Spider-Man be the focus, having, you know, um him fighting. 01:08:02.239 --> 01:08:03.519 I wonder, like, what's the deal? 01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:04.719 Because there is a lot of villains. 01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:12.079 You've got the hand, you've got scorpion, you've got boomerang, tarantula, um, who else? 01:08:12.320 --> 01:08:15.519 Um I think those are the those are the main ones that they showed off. 01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:15.840 Yeah. 01:08:16.079 --> 01:08:18.319 Uh Gene Gray, or is it Gene Gray? 01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:20.399 Supposedly Gene Gray, that's a big rumor. 01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:22.079 Sadie Sinks character, yeah, yeah. 01:08:22.479 --> 01:08:23.119 But we don't know for sure. 01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:24.399 Yeah, we don't know who that is. 01:08:24.560 --> 01:08:28.640 Um the the damage control is the villain. 01:08:28.960 --> 01:08:31.359 Um you've got Keith David voicing somebody. 01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:33.920 Somebody question mark? 01:08:34.079 --> 01:08:34.560 No, I'm just kidding. 01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:36.239 That would be cool because he voices Spawn. 01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:36.560 Yeah. 01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:38.319 Um I don't know, but he Spawn? 01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:39.760 Spawn is in the movie. 01:08:40.079 --> 01:08:41.600 This is a Todd McFarlane movie. 01:08:41.760 --> 01:08:43.680 Yes! We're getting in. 01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:47.119 Um, but I think um, I don't know. 01:08:47.199 --> 01:08:49.920 I think because he his his monologue is really cool. 01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:53.359 He's he's talking about how like between a spider's life cycle. 01:08:53.840 --> 01:08:54.479 Spider's life cycle. 01:08:54.560 --> 01:08:55.279 Yes, I can't even do this. 01:09:07.600 --> 01:09:09.439 Um but it's vulnerable to threats between. 01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:15.920 But it's vulnerable to threats threats to between cycles, but when it makes it between cycles, it's almost a rebirth. 01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:16.399 Right. 01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:20.000 So I'm wondering kind of what that's I don't know. 01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:21.840 I'm wondering what that means. 01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:22.319 Right. 01:09:22.560 --> 01:09:31.359 So maybe we'll get a new Spider-Man by the end of it, a new, you know, maybe he'll have he won't need web shooters anymore um after all this is over. 01:09:31.439 --> 01:09:31.920 I don't know. 01:09:32.159 --> 01:09:38.640 The the question, the true question will be how will this impact Doomsday and Secret Wars to come? 01:09:38.800 --> 01:09:41.119 Well, Doomsday, I don't think he's gonna be in Doomsday. 01:09:41.680 --> 01:09:42.640 I don't think he's in Doomsday. 01:09:42.800 --> 01:09:43.840 He's gonna be in Secret Wars. 01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:47.760 And I will say, he better get the symbiote. 01:09:47.920 --> 01:09:51.680 If he this is the one spot that like you gotta do it. 01:09:51.840 --> 01:09:52.319 You gotta do it. 01:09:52.479 --> 01:09:59.600 Because I'm I'm trying to not be that fan that's like put it put venom in it, put venom, you know, like you know, as much as I want it more than anybody else, there's a time and a place for it. 01:09:59.920 --> 01:10:01.520 Secret Wars has always been that time and a place. 01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:05.680 Yes, you know, especially if Marvel's gonna like that's the one big thing out of Secret Wars is he gets the black suit. 01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:09.840 So if they do it, maybe if they don't, I don't know how it's gonna be different because it's gonna be different. 01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:10.399 It is. 01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:12.079 Um I don't know. 01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:15.840 Isn't it gonna be for the good the better or for the worse different? 01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:17.359 I don't know because it remained to be seen. 01:10:17.760 --> 01:10:19.840 Isn't after Secret Wars aren't they rebooting everything? 01:10:20.079 --> 01:10:24.319 That is the rumor that they're gonna recast everybody for younger actors. 01:10:25.119 --> 01:10:25.840 Don't do that. 01:10:26.079 --> 01:10:27.119 Yeah, Marvel. 01:10:27.439 --> 01:10:28.800 Yeah, like I don't know. 01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:30.960 I don't I don't I think Marvel needs a break. 01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:31.680 I think so. 01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:37.680 I'd let DC, I know they won't do it, but let DC have at it. 01:10:37.840 --> 01:10:38.000 Yeah. 01:10:38.239 --> 01:10:40.079 Well DC's not doing much either. 01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:45.359 Besides, like But DC's

slowing down because they don't want to fall into the same problem as Marvel does. 01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:46.479 That's true, you're right, you're right. 01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:48.159 Yeah, Marvel's got a problem now. 01:10:48.319 --> 01:10:48.640 Yeah. 01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:50.399 Because we've got to release new stuff. 01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:52.640 Speaking of which, Daredevil came out today. 01:10:52.880 --> 01:10:53.359 Did you watch it? 01:10:53.439 --> 01:10:54.079 I haven't seen it. 01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:55.600 I haven't seen any of the Daredevil. 01:10:55.680 --> 01:10:58.000 I haven't seen the original show, I haven't seen the Disney Plus show. 01:10:58.319 --> 01:10:59.600 You've not seen the original show? 01:11:00.079 --> 01:11:01.680 I've seen I've watched a bit of it. 01:11:01.760 --> 01:11:03.680 Okay, I've watched like I sounded British there for a second. 01:11:03.920 --> 01:11:06.239 I watched a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of Al Ewing came out. 01:11:09.840 --> 01:11:11.039 Don't come after me. 01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:20.159 Oh yes, my favorite villain is uh Chairman because he uh he turns people into Twinkies, and I can really relate to that. 01:11:20.239 --> 01:11:21.039 I like Twinkie. 01:11:21.199 --> 01:11:31.600 That is an actual thing if you read uh one of the Venom books uh at the end of the uh like the little commentary area in the back of the book, he says that his favorite or his most relatable villain is chairman. 01:11:33.279 --> 01:11:34.319 Don't get me started. 01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:35.039 No, I won't. 01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:37.119 I I shouldn't have even said that. 01:11:37.439 --> 01:11:38.800 Uh who is Al you? 01:11:39.039 --> 01:11:42.079 I'm sure we'll because we're uh we're getting uh more death spiral stuff. 01:11:42.159 --> 01:11:47.600 I haven't read I'm not up to date yet, but the next issue people are thinking that Dylan will die, and if he does, I will be pissed. 01:11:49.439 --> 01:11:50.000 Yes. 01:11:50.319 --> 01:11:50.720 Uh-huh. 01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:52.479 Okay, I'm looking at you very confused. 01:11:52.560 --> 01:12:00.399 I like our audience can see that because that is the torment guys attacking bloodlines, remember? 01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:02.880 We will kill Dylan before we will kill Paul. 01:12:03.119 --> 01:12:03.840 Probably. 01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:06.640 Honestly, you know, that don't surprise me. 01:12:07.199 --> 01:12:07.520 Okay. 01:12:07.840 --> 01:12:08.640 Alright then. 01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:09.760 But you know what? 01:12:09.920 --> 01:12:11.760 That'll be on a brand new day. 01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:13.680 And you know what else is on a brand new day? 01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:14.079 This movie. 01:12:14.159 --> 01:12:15.039 I'm very excited about this. 01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:15.359 This will be. 01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:16.479 I think I'm very excited. 01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:22.479 I think this will be a I don't know if it'll be the best Spider-Man

film, but right now it's looking like the best one that Marvel's dropped. 01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:23.520 I'll agree with that. 01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:23.920 You know? 01:12:24.079 --> 01:12:25.199 Now, No Way Home is good. 01:12:25.279 --> 01:12:28.880 I like No Way Home a lot, but I think No Way Home just hits a lot of nostalgia. 01:12:29.119 --> 01:12:30.319 That I think that's what I think. 01:12:30.399 --> 01:12:33.680 Because I like No Way Home, but it's it's a big nostalgia. 01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:35.600 That's that's what drives the whole film. 01:12:35.760 --> 01:12:48.159 I think that's what's going to be the problem when Secret Wars rolls around, because we're gonna get Hugh Jackman, we may get Toby McGuire, we may get all these like nostalgia actors, and I think that's what's driving Doomsday right now, too. 01:12:48.319 --> 01:12:49.760 This is not what we plan on talking about. 01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:50.720 That's okay, no, no, no. 01:12:50.720 --> 01:12:50.960 Yeah, yeah. 01:12:52.079 --> 01:12:59.840 I think that's what's driving Doomsday right now, too, is they're banking on the X-Men's return, probably for the last time until they reboot it again. 01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:04.079 Um and I think that's what they're I I think that's what they're banking on. 01:13:04.159 --> 01:13:06.720 That's that was the trailer I think that did the best. 01:13:06.800 --> 01:13:13.920 That's what that's what hyped me up more, was like, yo, the X-Men, all that's crazy, and they're getting Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen, and they're getting all these guys. 01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:14.720 That's awesome. 01:13:14.880 --> 01:13:15.680 Yeah, yeah. 01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:19.760 But then I kind of stepped back and I was like, that's really what they're banking on. 01:13:19.840 --> 01:13:20.800 And Robert Downe Jr. 01:13:20.960 --> 01:13:22.319 as Doctor Doom, yeah, Chris. 01:13:22.640 --> 01:13:25.760 Caps comes back, Chris Himsworth is coming back. 01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:27.840 So Scarlett Johansson though. 01:13:28.239 --> 01:13:29.199 Yeah, no, she's dead. 01:13:29.840 --> 01:13:31.199 Yeah, she probably will somehow. 01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:31.600 Yeah. 01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:32.319 Paul Rabbins. 01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:33.520 Paul Rabbins in there. 01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:35.439 So I I think that's the problem. 01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:37.520 Are you worried about how they filmed Doomsday? 01:13:37.680 --> 01:13:38.560 Do you know how they filmed it? 01:13:38.720 --> 01:13:40.960 I know how they're rewriting the script every day. 01:13:41.199 --> 01:13:41.920 Are they wait, what? 01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:42.159 Really? 01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:43.760 Yeah, Robert Downer Jr. 01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:47.279 came out the other day and said that they're rewriting the script every day on set. 01:13:47.840 --> 01:13:48.720 That's not good. 01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:49.119 No. 01:13:49.279 --> 01:13:50.000 That's not good at all. 01:13:50.239 --> 01:13:50.399 No. 01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:54.399 And the fact that everything, because a lot of people are like, I don't even know what scene I'm in. 01:13:54.479 --> 01:13:55.439 They're just like, Oh yeah. 01:13:55.600 --> 01:13:58.880 You're they're filming in rooms that are complete green screen. 01:13:59.039 --> 01:14:01.439 They're talking to people that they don't know who they're talking to. 01:14:01.680 --> 01:14:09.279 And the scenes of like, for example, let's say it's um who is the guy from Black Panther that does the chant that's really cool. 01:14:09.520 --> 01:14:10.399 Oh Mambaku. 01:14:10.560 --> 01:14:11.279 Mumbaku, yeah. 01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:13.039 Mumbaku and Thing are talking, right? 01:14:13.279 --> 01:14:13.760 In the trailer. 01:14:14.319 --> 01:14:17.680 Um they're talking, and like, I need to watch that trailer again. 01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:19.600 I've I've only I think I've only watched it once. 01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:22.399 Um did they drop a trailer or did they just drop pictures? 01:14:22.560 --> 01:14:28.159 They just dropped those two, those four trailers with Cap, Thor, the X-Men, and then the Black Panther and the Fantastic Four. 01:14:28.399 --> 01:14:29.279 Okay, that's what I Okay. 01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:35.039 Um so my thing is that like my thing, uh, with the the thing and then Bobby. 01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:36.640 It's covering you. 01:14:37.039 --> 01:14:46.079 Um, but they um uh like a lot of the scenes, for example, a lot of the actors have been talking about how they're in these rooms talking to characters and they don't know who they're talking to. 01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:51.199 It's a single actor in a single room having a two-man scene with someone they don't even know who they're talking to. 01:14:51.439 --> 01:14:52.479 That's scary. 01:14:52.720 --> 01:14:53.520 That is scary. 01:14:53.680 --> 01:15:01.840 And like if I mean, I mean, I if it's I hope it's like a big lie thing, they're just like, oh yeah, tell tell people this, like say this to the press. 01:15:02.239 --> 01:15:03.600 But like, I don't know. 01:15:03.680 --> 01:15:06.399 I'm just I'm just uh I'm I'm worried about it. 01:15:06.880 --> 01:15:09.680 I'm really worried about Doomsday because especially because it was supposed to be Kang. 01:15:09.760 --> 01:15:16.479 It was supposed to be King Dynasty, yeah, and all of it got completely flipped after the whole deal with the actor and and his wife. 01:15:16.720 --> 01:15:21.600 Um and you know, maybe Doom will be great as as Robert Downey Jr. 01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:22.159 We'll see. 01:15:22.319 --> 01:15:23.439 Like If I'm skeptical. 01:15:23.680 --> 01:15:28.800 If they don't sh if it's not like an alternate Iron Man, which I don't I think I think they've come from come out and said it's not. 01:15:29.039 --> 01:15:32.159 If it would have been, I don't think they would have revealed that it's Iron that it is Tony Stark. 01:15:32.239 --> 01:15:33.920 That would have been the biggest plot twist, you

know. 01:15:34.159 --> 01:15:34.399 Right. 01:15:34.640 --> 01:15:36.079 Um I guess we'll see. 01:15:36.239 --> 01:15:38.000 But why can't we just have Victor Von Doom? 01:15:38.079 --> 01:15:42.239 Why do we have to have uh well, isn't he supposed to be Victor Don Doom? 01:15:42.479 --> 01:15:51.119 I think he is supposed to be Victor Von Doom, but he's not You're not gonna be able to see Victor Von Doom, you're only gonna see Robert Downing Jr., which means you're only gonna be able to see Iron Man. 01:15:51.680 --> 01:15:53.840 You're not gonna be able to experience Dr. 01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:54.960 Doom in his fullest. 01:15:55.359 --> 01:15:56.800 Well, unless he's just in his mask. 01:15:56.960 --> 01:15:58.159 And they just never take the mask off. 01:15:58.479 --> 01:15:59.439 I don't think they're gonna do that though. 01:15:59.520 --> 01:16:00.560 I think Robert Downing Jr. 01:16:00.720 --> 01:16:06.319 has too much of a face to for them to hide behind a mask the whole time. 01:16:06.560 --> 01:16:07.119 Maybe. 01:16:07.359 --> 01:16:08.000 I I don't know. 01:16:08.079 --> 01:16:08.399 I don't know. 01:16:08.640 --> 01:16:11.760 We could be wrong in December when this rolls around, but I don't know. 01:16:11.840 --> 01:16:12.640 I'm not very excited. 01:16:12.800 --> 01:16:15.439 I'm more excited for the brand new day than I am Doomsday. 01:16:15.600 --> 01:16:15.760 Yeah. 01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:17.600 But speaking of things that we are excited for. 01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:18.239 Oh, yes. 01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:21.039 I wish I had the invincible thing that I could just play right now. 01:16:25.600 --> 01:16:30.640 Like, Satan, this is I love that bit. 01:16:30.720 --> 01:16:31.840 I'm so glad they keep doing it. 01:16:31.920 --> 01:16:32.479 Yeah, me too. 01:16:32.720 --> 01:16:34.239 Like it it does not get old. 01:16:34.319 --> 01:16:35.119 Like it's so funny. 01:16:35.359 --> 01:16:41.600 So we are at season four of uh you have not read the comic, no, but I have. 01:16:41.840 --> 01:16:44.479 It is my favorite comic book of all time. 01:16:44.720 --> 01:16:45.520 My favorite comic book. 01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:46.880 You said that and that surprised me. 01:16:47.039 --> 01:16:47.199 Yeah. 01:16:47.359 --> 01:16:48.479 Not because it's like I hate it. 01:16:48.640 --> 01:16:49.039 I don't hate it. 01:16:49.359 --> 01:16:49.920 I think it's great. 01:16:50.079 --> 01:16:51.199 It's just I didn't expect that. 01:16:51.359 --> 01:16:51.520 Yeah. 01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:51.680 Yeah. 01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:54.000 I love Superman, love Spider-Man, love Captain America. 01:16:54.079 --> 01:16:58.079 I have I have favorite comic books, but Invent is my favorite series of all time. 01:16:58.239 --> 01:17:04.319 I will probably be doing a post on why it is my favorite series of all time in the foreseeable future. 01:17:04.479 --> 01:17:05.600 When that is, I don't know. 01:17:05.680 --> 01:17:06.000 Yeah. 01:17:06.479 --> 01:17:08.319 But uh season four dropped. 01:17:08.399 --> 01:17:08.800 Yes. 01:17:09.039 --> 01:17:11.279 And the first four episodes have dropped. 01:17:11.439 --> 01:17:14.880 Actually, when I came over to record with you today, you were finishing episode four. 01:17:15.039 --> 01:17:16.159 Yep, I was finishing it up. 01:17:16.239 --> 01:17:21.920 Uh, we watched episode three, uh the first three episodes dropped last week, and episode four dropped today. 01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:23.439 They're dropping on a weekly basis. 01:17:23.520 --> 01:17:25.359 I think it's only eight episodes this season. 01:17:25.600 --> 01:17:26.159 I think so. 01:17:26.399 --> 01:17:31.119 Or maybe they'll do what they've done in the in the past where it's like a midpoint and then they'll release more. 01:17:31.199 --> 01:17:32.960 But I think how many episodes do they usually have? 01:17:33.119 --> 01:17:34.079 I thought they had eight usually. 01:17:34.319 --> 01:17:36.319 They might be only eight in eight. 01:17:36.720 --> 01:17:44.319 Um you know, one thing I want to talk about before we talk about and review this season so far, which I guess we're at the midpoint, which is kind of crazy to think about. 01:17:44.479 --> 01:17:44.880 Is it really? 01:17:44.960 --> 01:17:45.439 Oh wow, okay. 01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:47.840 If there's only eight episodes and episode four came out today. 01:17:48.000 --> 01:17:49.279 Yeah, I guess we're already halfway through. 01:17:49.359 --> 01:17:50.399 They dropped three on the first day. 01:17:50.479 --> 01:17:51.520 Yeah, that was a lot, yeah. 01:17:51.840 --> 01:17:58.319 So one thing I want to talk about real quick is how stacked this voice acting cast is. 01:17:59.039 --> 01:18:00.239 This has J.K. 01:18:00.399 --> 01:18:01.439 Simmons, Stephen Ewan. 01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:04.079 I mean, you have, but you also have Peter Coleman. 01:18:04.159 --> 01:18:05.359 Yeah Optimus Prime. 01:18:05.600 --> 01:18:08.720 Optimus Prime and we didn't play this time. 01:18:09.439 --> 01:18:10.560 Or last time. 01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:18.399 But but um, I mean, the voice cast alone, like the animation, I know it gets harped on a lot. 01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:18.560 Yeah. 01:18:18.640 --> 01:18:19.520 And you've got something to talk about. 01:18:20.239 --> 01:18:22.560 I had a couple animation notes for the show for sure. 01:18:22.880 --> 01:18:29.760 But but the voice acting alone, like I hope because Skybound Image is doing um the Transformer G.I. 01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:31.520 Joe series in the next couple of years. 01:18:31.680 --> 01:18:35.439 I hope that voice acting cat cast is just a stack. 01:18:35.520 --> 01:18:37.840 And I hope Peter Cullen is the voice of Optimus in that. 01:18:38.399 --> 01:18:39.680 Oh, he's gonna, he's gonna have to be. 01:18:39.840 --> 01:18:40.319 I hope he is. 01:18:40.479 --> 01:18:41.600 There's no way they wouldn't. 01:18:41.840 --> 01:18:47.840 Um But you know, that's what that's what I hope continues because that's what makes

this show. 01:18:48.159 --> 01:18:52.079 Well, the story is great, of course, but the voice acting is also like on point perfect. 01:18:52.239 --> 01:18:52.640 Yeah. 01:18:52.880 --> 01:18:55.760 So let's get into first four episodes. 01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:57.119 Yes, the first four episodes. 01:18:57.279 --> 01:19:02.640 So, real quick, um, I I know you said that I uh am not re I haven't read it. 01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:04.000 Um there's a reason why. 01:19:04.159 --> 01:19:07.680 I I didn't really know much about Invincible until the show came out. 01:19:07.840 --> 01:19:12.319 I watched the sh first when season two came out, I watched it. 01:19:12.479 --> 01:19:15.279 Well, sorry, when season one was out, I watched the entire show. 01:19:15.359 --> 01:19:16.399 I did not like it. 01:19:16.640 --> 01:19:17.039 Really? 01:19:17.199 --> 01:19:18.159 Yes, I did not like it. 01:19:18.239 --> 01:19:25.199 It just I I couldn't get into the world because everything I felt like everything was so like, oh, this is just off-brand this character, this is just off-brand that character. 01:19:25.439 --> 01:19:26.159 Fair enough, you know. 01:19:26.319 --> 01:19:29.680 Um, but then when season two came out, I was like, I need to give it a shot again. 01:19:29.840 --> 01:19:31.760 Like it looks good, everybody's talking about it. 01:19:31.840 --> 01:19:32.640 Let me give it another shot. 01:19:32.720 --> 01:19:36.000 And I sat and I watched it, and I enjoyed it way more. 01:19:36.159 --> 01:19:36.399 Okay. 01:19:36.560 --> 01:19:38.319 I on the and a lot of my friends have had that. 01:19:38.399 --> 01:19:43.600 A lot of my friends said, Yeah, I watched it, didn't like it, but then I revisited it later and I really liked it the second time. 01:19:43.840 --> 01:19:46.159 Um, so I really enjoyed it, I love it now. 01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:47.840 So every time I watch it, I'm all for it. 01:19:47.920 --> 01:19:51.760 I binged all three seasons whenever I was re-watching it again. 01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:57.760 Um and um, but I had said that like you know, you'd mentioned like you've got to read it. 01:19:57.840 --> 01:20:06.079 I I've purposely avoided the books because there's it's not too off like I've read a lot of good comics, I've not watched a lot of good comic adaptations. 01:20:06.319 --> 01:20:06.479 Sure. 01:20:06.640 --> 01:20:14.079 So I think getting to watch this and watch it for the first time and getting all of the story is a lot better than me reading it and know it because I I've done that a lot, right? 01:20:14.319 --> 01:20:19.520 Like I read a lot of the books and I know how these stories go, so when I watch it, I'm trying to find like, okay, is this right? 01:20:19.680 --> 01:20:20.239 Is that right? 01:20:20.399 --> 01:20:21.359 But this I have no clue. 01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:26.880 So there's like a lot of things that like, you know, I know you showed me the reprint of the Invincible book that came out today. 01:20:27.039 --> 01:20:31.119 Um, that the whole hell scene that's in the episode isn't even in the book. 01:20:31.279 --> 01:20:32.560 No, and I wouldn't have known that. 01:20:32.640 --> 01:20:38.640 I was fully invested and it was I thought it was a good little you know, yeah store, like it was a good spacer. 01:20:38.800 --> 01:20:54.880 Um that's what I explained to my wife when I was talking about it today that the that the hell story was kind of added, probably because there is no real like I don't want to say pacing, but it just kind of like skips to straight to like a an important part in the comics. 01:20:55.039 --> 01:20:57.439 So they kind of put that in to stretch it out a little bit. 01:20:57.680 --> 01:20:58.239 Yeah, yeah. 01:20:58.640 --> 01:21:00.960 Um but I that's a fair point. 01:21:01.119 --> 01:21:04.960 Like there aren't Spectacular Spider-Man is the only other one that immediately comes to mind. 01:21:05.119 --> 01:21:16.319 Maybe X-Men 97, like the recent series, even, but there's not a bunch of great superhero adaptation shows, cartoon shows, that is. 01:21:16.479 --> 01:21:16.640 Yeah. 01:21:16.960 --> 01:21:18.479 And uh so that's a fair point. 01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:22.560 But I still think I I think I think you should read it. 01:21:22.800 --> 01:21:23.439 I really do. 01:21:23.840 --> 01:21:28.159 I I think what I'll do is when the show is completely over, I might read the book. 01:21:28.399 --> 01:21:28.960 Okay, fair enough. 01:21:29.119 --> 01:21:31.600 Just to get a just to get a second, like, oh, that wasn't even in the book. 01:21:31.760 --> 01:21:34.239 Like, oh, that was a whole, you know, another section or whatever. 01:21:34.479 --> 01:21:36.000 Um I definitely think then. 01:21:37.359 --> 01:21:38.720 I'm just enjoying the show so much. 01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:39.600 It's such a good show. 01:21:39.760 --> 01:21:44.640 It it is, and um but I mean, let's go ahead and get into the new season for sure. 01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:45.600 Let's get into it. 01:21:45.760 --> 01:21:51.920 So episode uh one of the episodes I really want to talk about is the episode where they explain the history of the Vilcher Mites. 01:21:52.239 --> 01:21:53.600 That was a really good episode. 01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:55.279 And that was tough to watch. 01:21:55.439 --> 01:21:56.319 It was, yeah. 01:21:56.560 --> 01:22:02.159 Um so that one I d I don't think that's in the comics. 01:22:02.239 --> 01:22:07.439 Uh the beginning part with Nolan and his parents, uh with Omni Nan Omni Man and his parents. 01:22:07.520 --> 01:22:09.119 That I don't recall that being in the book. 01:22:09.199 --> 01:22:15.600 And I could be totally wrong, but the rest of the history of the Vilcher mites is and that's a that's a really cool episode. 01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:17.279 I know we're skipping episode one, yeah. 01:22:17.520 --> 01:22:26.000 But episode one uh is is was also really good because it ends with Mark having to kill uh the astronaut who was possessed by the Sekwoid.

01:22:26.319 --> 01:22:28.159 Um and that was a good episode. 01:22:28.399 --> 01:22:33.359 It was just a very much, in my opinion, it was getting caught up. 01:22:33.600 --> 01:22:43.760 Your okay, this is because that's why a show that does streaming, that's why they will release a bundle of episodes, because your first like three are maybe your slowest. 01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:44.159 Right. 01:22:44.399 --> 01:22:52.479 And so that's why I think they released these three together because episode one is good, but it's like, okay, where have we seen these characters since we last left them? 01:22:52.640 --> 01:22:52.880 Right. 01:22:53.119 --> 01:22:55.840 And then it ends with Mark killing the guy who was possessed by the scene. 01:22:56.000 --> 01:22:58.239 Right, which is a great, like, okay, now I want to watch the rest of it. 01:22:58.319 --> 01:22:58.800 You know what I mean? 01:22:59.039 --> 01:22:59.359 Yeah, yeah. 01:22:59.520 --> 01:23:00.800 And so I think that's why they did that. 01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:06.159 And of course, Robot and Monster Girl are in the uh the Flaxen's dimension. 01:23:06.479 --> 01:23:10.000 Which I'm wondering if that's gonna and you again you've read it, so you might say nothing. 01:23:10.239 --> 01:23:18.720 I'm wondering if that's gonna lead to them both coming out as adults because you know they're both adults in kids' bodies, um, for the most part. 01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:18.960 Right. 01:23:19.199 --> 01:23:20.399 I plead the fifth. 01:23:20.880 --> 01:23:21.439 Oh, yep, yeah. 01:23:21.520 --> 01:23:23.920 Oh yeah, you can't say anything because you'll say anything that you'll spoil it. 01:23:24.000 --> 01:23:28.079 So that that's where that's where my brain's at, is I'm like, oh, are they gonna become adults now? 01:23:28.319 --> 01:23:33.920 And like, you know, since they've been kids this whole time, and because like now Monster Girl can become an adult, right? 01:23:34.079 --> 01:23:43.119 She's she is getting older now, and the weird fetus thing now is in Rex's clone body. 01:23:43.279 --> 01:23:43.840 You're right. 01:23:44.079 --> 01:23:47.600 And he's I guess a normal person growing up now. 01:23:47.920 --> 01:23:50.960 So yeah, that that's my I'm excited to see that. 01:23:51.039 --> 01:23:52.239 I don't know if it's gonna happen. 01:23:52.479 --> 01:23:54.399 You do, I guess, but I don't know. 01:23:54.479 --> 01:23:55.600 So I'm just not gonna say anything else. 01:23:55.680 --> 01:24:01.279 Because you're giving me a you're giving me one of those little half smiles, and I'm just like anything. 01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:10.079 Um but I will say, like, your your experience with Invincible is gonna be really interesting because you you don't know what happens. 01:24:10.239 --> 01:24:13.600 Like, this is all brand new to you, and that's a good place to be in. 01:24:13.680 --> 01:24:18.880 And I I kind of wish I was back in there, but reading the comic, oh man, reading. 01:24:19.520 --> 01:24:22.720 You got you got all the you got all the cool parts early. 01:24:22.960 --> 01:24:24.720 Yeah, that's because that's what my buddies did. 01:24:24.800 --> 01:24:28.880 Like, they watched the show, got into it, and then they bought all the books and then read all the way through it because they're like, I can't wait. 01:24:29.119 --> 01:24:30.159 And I'm like, but I want to wait. 01:24:30.239 --> 01:24:36.399 Like, I and of course, and I freaking spoiled parts for myself because I was because they handed me the book and they were like, hey, flip through this, check it out. 01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:47.439 And then I saw um, spoiler alert, um, Adam Eve on the toilet with the pregnancy test, and it's saying positive, and I was like, Oh, I'm gonna kill myself. 01:24:47.680 --> 01:24:48.880 This is awful. 01:24:49.199 --> 01:24:52.880 Um, so that was that was a good first episode to get you back hooked. 01:24:52.960 --> 01:24:57.520 Um, my wife has not watched uh Gabriella has not watched any of the other episodes. 01:24:57.600 --> 01:24:59.520 So this was her first time watching Invincible. 01:24:59.680 --> 01:24:59.840 Okay. 01:25:00.159 --> 01:25:02.079 And she knows she knows the main part. 01:25:02.159 --> 01:25:07.840 She knows Omni Man, she knows this scene where what will you have after 500 years? 01:25:08.000 --> 01:25:09.439 She knows that scene's mark. 01:25:09.920 --> 01:25:17.199 She knows also that I'm a big fan because she has seen from my bachelor party what oh the good friend Channel did. 01:25:17.520 --> 01:25:19.520 We had the giant, like what did it say? 01:25:19.920 --> 01:25:25.520 It's the The Bachelor Boys featuring play in Paul, Shannon, and Andrew. 01:25:25.600 --> 01:25:26.640 Shout out to all the guys. 01:25:26.800 --> 01:25:27.119 Yes. 01:25:27.279 --> 01:25:28.880 Uh we had a great bachelor party. 01:25:29.039 --> 01:25:34.800 We did, and then we had there were printed pictures of thick Omni Man all over the house we were renting for the Bachelor Party. 01:25:34.960 --> 01:25:35.680 It was so funny. 01:25:35.840 --> 01:25:37.920 And all we did that day was, I mean, it was awesome. 01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:41.439 We played Black Ops 2, the original Star Wars Battlefront 2. 01:25:41.920 --> 01:25:42.239 It was great. 01:25:42.479 --> 01:25:43.359 We tried hot sauce with the week. 01:25:43.439 --> 01:25:44.079 We tried hot sauce. 01:25:44.239 --> 01:25:49.279 It was fun, yeah, because you can eat freaking Carolina Reaper sauce and be like, uh, it's kind of hot. 01:25:49.520 --> 01:25:53.359 Yeah, so if you have hot sauce, send it to Clayton, I don't want it. 01:25:53.840 --> 01:25:56.640 But but anyways, so um that was fun. 01:25:56.800 --> 01:25:57.600 So she knows I like him. 01:25:58.159 --> 01:26:03.680 That was her first episode watching it, and where he Mark punches the guy and just shatters his face. 01:26:04.079 --> 01:26:05.760 The guy possessed by the sequid. 01:26:05.920 --> 01:26:08.319 Um, she was like, This is

violent. 01:26:08.479 --> 01:26:12.640 I'm like, you know, this is violent because I have sheep with showing you the other scenes. 01:26:13.119 --> 01:26:17.359 She's like, well, it's just that like in a cartoon, I can't really watch the violence. 01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:21.039 She's like, I could probably see it in in real life and and not and be okay with it. 01:26:21.119 --> 01:26:22.560 I'm like, I'm the opposite. 01:26:22.720 --> 01:26:25.119 I would rather see it in a cartoon because it doesn't bother me as much. 01:26:25.359 --> 01:26:27.760 It doesn't bother me as much either, yeah, because it because it's a cartoon. 01:26:27.920 --> 01:26:31.760 But also, like, I really like um I got Elise to start watching it too. 01:26:31.920 --> 01:26:33.680 We actually started, I started around episode one. 01:26:33.760 --> 01:26:38.159 She's kind of seen some of the episodes um and the plot twist at the end. 01:26:38.319 --> 01:26:43.680 I think she knew the Omni Man, she's I guess she had like watched over the shoulder and been like, I know he's bad at some point. 01:26:44.079 --> 01:26:47.920 Um, but she was shocked when he when he when he killed the Guardians of the Globe. 01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:50.319 Yeah, she was like, Why did he just do all that? 01:26:50.479 --> 01:26:52.079 And I was like, I don't know, you gotta watch it. 01:26:52.720 --> 01:26:54.319 Like, there's a reason for all of this, you know. 01:26:54.399 --> 01:26:59.199 And um, but um getting to see his origin though, yeah, that's the one. 01:26:59.520 --> 01:27:05.760 Getting to see the planet getting like it got this uh it got like a bio the the scourge virus, yeah. 01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:08.880 The scourge virus, and watching all of these guys die. 01:27:09.039 --> 01:27:13.279 Yes, and everyone's getting infected, and no one gets infected, but he somehow survives. 01:27:13.359 --> 01:27:13.760 Yes. 01:27:13.920 --> 01:27:16.560 Um, some some people survive, yes, but not everybody. 01:27:16.880 --> 01:27:25.039 That's why there's 50 the less than 50 pure-blooded Viltramites left in the uh in the universe because they're the only ones that left on an entire planet. 01:27:25.199 --> 01:27:28.239 That's what I kept like thinking about the whole time watching that episode. 01:27:28.399 --> 01:27:34.560 Like, this planet probably has let's say even seven billion Viltramites down to 50. 01:27:34.800 --> 01:27:36.560 Yeah, that is insane. 01:27:36.720 --> 01:27:45.119 And I mean, you see the trails of of bodies and you see like piles just like where uh Nolan is fighting his parents in the beginning. 01:27:45.600 --> 01:27:51.680 Um there just pile like thousands and thousands, hundreds of thousands of bodies just piled up everywhere, right? 01:27:51.840 --> 01:27:55.359 And seeing that it's kind of like oh, it's it you know, it's it's crazy. 01:27:55.920 --> 01:27:59.840 Yeah, I don't know, it's it's it's like you you don't like the Viltermites because. 01:28:00.239 --> 01:28:12.720 like the first thing you're introduced to is how like they're literally willing to kill their own children right because they're not like oh if you're not gonna be strong enough then I'm just gonna go ahead and kill you now you know and they literally like Nolan's parents beat him up just to see if he's tough enough. 01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:16.960 Yeah and that like that's his test to the brink of adult yeah to to the brink of being dead. 01:28:17.119 --> 01:28:17.359 Yeah. 01:28:17.520 --> 01:28:28.079 And then like immediately everybody's like vom like literally the first guy who starts like vomiting up blood they're like oh did your parents punch you too hard this morning you lose her and then like everybody starts doing it and they're like okay what's happening something's happening. 01:28:28.720 --> 01:28:31.039 But like you kind of start to like I I felt bad for that. 01:28:35.039 --> 01:28:39.279 It's a cool thing because they this they start the episode making you be like God these guys suck. 01:28:39.439 --> 01:28:43.439 Like this their their whole planet sucks like their race sucks. 01:28:44.800 --> 01:28:45.920 Paula's race is confirmed. 01:28:46.079 --> 01:29:00.640 No no no no no just against filter mites just against filters just against filter mites they're bad people they're really bad people um but um but like then you feel bad because you're like man but they're losing everybody and like now you see like what it looks like when they're actually scared. 01:29:00.880 --> 01:29:07.600 And that was the whole point of Nolan no Nolan going out was to find a mate and repopulate. 01:29:07.680 --> 01:29:07.840 Right. 01:29:08.000 --> 01:29:10.800 That's why he's screwing all these women having babies everywhere. 01:29:11.119 --> 01:30:02.960 Yeah um so and then the rest of the episode continues as it's we're back in the present day and Nolan and Alan the alien are uh searching for reasons to sorry go ahead I know what part you're laughing at yeah they're searching for the creatures yeah like enemies things that can kill the Viltramites to finish off and yeah to start a regime and every night Alan and his wife maybe multiple times a night have sex continuously and it's so funny because it goes to them on their mission then it just immediately cuts to Nolan on the couch like covering his ears while they're while they're having sex and then it goes back to them doing another mission and it cuts back to them on and then like Nolan ends up getting up and leaving one night to find out that there are other rooms on this ship that he was not told about and he almost kills the pilot of the ship who was an absolute idiot yeah um because of it. 01:30:03.359 --> 01:30:05.840 It's really funny the comedy in this show is great. 01:30:06.000 --> 01:30:13.920 Oh it is they they know when to hit things and how hard to hit they know when like there's they know what's too much and what's not enough. 01:30:14.239 --> 01:30:57.279 This show yeah yeah oh man

it's so good it's so good it's such a good show um yeah I knew as soon as you started laughing I knew what you were laughing about how can you forget we started counting we were watching it at my friend's house and we started counting we were like four five six like you know I also want to make a quick note on episode two because again going back to the voice acting the scene between Omni Man and um Thaddeus Peter Collins voice actor and and JK Simmons that scene dude just the voice acting alone like I could have closed my eyes and just been like these two have some of the most iconic voices ever and just listening to them like I could just listen to that all day. 01:30:57.439 --> 01:31:03.119 Yeah if they did an audiobook for 24 hours long yeah just sit there and listen to a button. 01:31:03.279 --> 01:31:16.800 It's like Morgan Freeman yeah it's like oh like the piece the piece sounds but you find out that Peter Cullen's character um was the one who unleashed the one who unleashed the Scourge virus and he was a he's a Viltramite yes did why did he do that again? 01:31:16.960 --> 01:31:40.560 He did it because so his reasoning was to hopefully get rid was to get rid of because he killed the original Viltramite leader and that was his hope Argyll to kill Argyll was that so the people might see the the error of their ways that they maybe that maybe since he was just a violent ruler if you killed him maybe the rest of the Viltramites would be peaceful. 01:31:40.720 --> 01:31:55.520 But that didn't work so then Thaddeus thought that the only way to stop the Viltimites was to unleash the virus yeah and to just wipe the whole race yeah and and we see Nolan I think it's really cool to see Nolan regretting like all the things he's done he really regrets Earth. 01:31:55.680 --> 01:32:20.560 Yes like it's you know which his character development has been great because even like going back to season one like watching that first episode with Elise again like it was um you know seeing him like finally killing everybody and like his main goal is to just get build Vilchum back up and then like Mark being a kid and now you see Mark and Mark's like this adult who's got so much weighing on him and you see Nolan who's just trying his best to fix his mistakes. 01:32:20.640 --> 01:32:26.399 And you know he's like like there is the there's the planet where they're like yeah we froze the planet because we had that's the only way we can stop these guys. 01:32:26.560 --> 01:32:26.640 Right. 01:32:26.800 --> 01:32:36.079 And it's just like yeah you guys were screwed he's like Alan says like man every time I think you guys might be okay right like you show me something like this and you just prove to me that I'm always wrong. 01:32:37.039 --> 01:32:43.840 Even that even that because that follows the scene and he's like yeah we put this solar disc up to block the sun out to freeze the planet. 01:32:43.920 --> 01:32:58.479 Yeah and he's like can you move it out of the way and the captain's like I'm gonna make up for my past mistakes and blows it up and they're like we said to move it not to blow it up because then everything starts unfalling falling and all these like dinosaur monster things are trying to kill kill them and they almost do it they almost win. 01:32:59.920 --> 01:33:07.039 But yeah like um I think like I think that was probably the best episode so far out of all I think that was the most invested season. 01:33:07.279 --> 01:33:12.399 Because that was the one episode that when me and me and all my buddies were watching it that we all were like completely silent throughout the whole thing. 01:33:12.720 --> 01:33:16.880 Like through all those we were like chit chatting and stuff but this one we were just like very invested watching all this. 01:33:17.119 --> 01:33:29.119 So I I'm I'm like right there with you because Gabriela um you know being pregnant your feet swell up so and so she's stuck on the couch and she's got to watch all the yeah yeah and she's also on her feet all day. 01:33:29.279 --> 01:33:29.359 Right. 01:33:29.760 --> 01:33:37.039 So I was massaging her feet and while we were binging the first three episodes and I just stopped during that episode. 01:33:38.000 --> 01:33:48.720 And I'm and I'm hooked like watching and every so often she'll like kick me and be like hey I'm not trying to be rude but I my feet really hurt. 01:33:48.880 --> 01:34:03.199 I'm like oh yeah yeah yeah yeah um like you're slowly stopping because you're just you can't stop watching it like and eventually she just said okay thank you that's that's enough I love Gabriela incredible. 01:34:03.359 --> 01:34:19.439 I am I'm very lucky but anyways um but also we had so um episode three we have that was episode two episode three was the final of the first release which what uh that was the episode where I forgore. 01:34:19.760 --> 01:34:23.520 Well the main reveal for episode three is that Adam Eve is pregnant. 01:34:23.680 --> 01:34:34.960 That Adam yes Adam Eve is is pregnant at the end and that's why her powers are gone because throughout these episodes she's having a hard time using her powers as everything she makes it just melts into rainbow goo. 01:34:35.119 --> 01:34:35.279 Right. 01:34:35.439 --> 01:34:36.800 And you find out that she's pregnant. 01:34:37.039 --> 01:34:45.119 So um that was a really I I kind of figured whenever her I was like yeah she's it's probably the pregnant thing um which is really crazy. 01:34:45.359 --> 01:34:52.239 And then um we get in the newest episode that dropped today we get a whole storyline about like hell and all this stuff going on which was interesting. 01:34:52.319 --> 01:34:57.920 It was kind of off to the side I'll say this was my least favorite episode of Invincible that they have done so far. 01:34:58.159 --> 01:34:58.479 Really? 01:34:58.640 --> 01:34:59.039 Why? 01:34:59.760 --> 01:35:07.359 Is it just because of like the the like is it because they make hell like not

that bad of a place that kind of bothered me a little bit. 01:35:07.520 --> 01:35:38.079 Yeah but that's just the Christian thing I guess man I really it was actually funny because I'm working on my script for the Isaiah 43 podcast which is my other podcast that I do podcast plug yeah you did another I did you're right um so anyway so I was working on the script and it I was also watching Invincible while I was doing it I was trying to multitask and they started talking about hell and stuff and I'm like I can't work on my my Bible podcast while I'm listening to this. 01:35:38.239 --> 01:35:54.880 Yeah and and really I I I could talk about like why I think their d depiction of hell is just wrong but it's not even it's not even that that I didn't like but but I do agree with you I didn't I didn't care much for that yeah yeah but frankly I don't really care I don't I don't care about these characters. 01:35:55.680 --> 01:36:08.960 And that's kind of why like with the rest of Invincible they have established these characters they have made you care about them but this Damien dark blood and his siblings in hell and Satan getting power again I I don't care. 01:36:09.199 --> 01:36:20.479 Yeah I don't I I I just I'm not invested and it didn't feel like sure Invincible is there and he's like he he kind of doesn't even know why he's there in this episode. 01:36:21.199 --> 01:36:24.399 But it really was not about Invincible until the end. 01:36:24.720 --> 01:36:34.079 Yeah and in the beginning the beginning had a little bit but I think those are my favorite parts is the fact that we get that scene at the beginning where he's questioning if he should be a hero. 01:36:34.159 --> 01:36:37.439 Right because he's really trying he's he's really concerned with being his dad. 01:36:37.600 --> 01:36:37.760 Right. 01:36:37.920 --> 01:36:43.199 He's like I don't want to be my dad and he doesn't know the changes that his dad has been going through because this has been a he thinks he's dead. 01:36:43.359 --> 01:37:08.880 He thinks he's dead and um he's like I just don't deserve to wear this costume I don't deserve this and you know they have that great with Mark Hamill who is playing the costume shop guy the great voice actor and um they're talking about like he's like well I I made the original suit for you again just in case you wanted to go back but you know it's up to you whatever remember who you are remember who you are yeah and the the the hell stuff is very side plot yes side and you know and yeah it's very side quest. 01:37:09.039 --> 01:37:19.439 I did really like when they're falling down the pit to get the crown and they're having that conversation about why um what's the guy's name Damien Damien pulls his mask back every time he talks and he's like why do you do that? 01:37:19.520 --> 01:37:22.560 And he's just like I don't know it just it it's cool. 01:37:22.800 --> 01:37:27.840 Like that's the overall like reasoning behind all of it but he keeps doing it

he keeps doing it. 01:37:28.319 --> 01:37:43.920 It's because Damien doesn't talk in complete sentences so he's like cool I guess cool I guess I don't know that was just yeah I will give you that that like that part I enjoyed and even like okay so even that scene for example this is why I was kind of bored with this episode. 01:37:44.079 --> 01:38:13.840 So that scene they fall down they're trying to get this this crown so Satan can get his powers back or whatever and he's supposed Invincible is supposed to fight Cerberus which is is cool like a cool concept because we're incorporating Greek mythology with all this so that's kind of new yeah you don't you don't show it they they see he grabs Damien and he's like I'll catch you in just a minute and he throws him as high as he can and you just see Damien going back up the hole and then slowly stopping and then falling back down and then by the time invincible gets him the fight's over. 01:38:13.920 --> 01:38:30.720 Yeah and it was just like because I noticed I was like oh that's a cop out right there that's that was very yeah that's like oh they didn't have the budget for that yeah so I I don't know and that's a meta joke within Invincible anyways is that they cut things to yeah so you don't see it and yeah so I I just I just didn't like it. 01:38:30.880 --> 01:38:34.640 It was just boring for me and I just was not invested in the characters. 01:38:34.720 --> 01:39:10.479 That's my reasoning my but my big thing was the end of the episode where uh Adam Eve is talking to what's his friend's name um gosh uh it's on the tip of my tongue I can hear it I can um I don't want to say Grayson because that's not right oh well anyway she's talking to Invincible's best friend yeah his best friend and you know Adam tells him like I'm pregnant and he's like oh my gosh congratulations that's such good news and she's like I no like I don't know if I want this right I don't know if I can do this right now and she's scared also because it's a super it's gonna be a superpowered baby right and his friend makes that note. 01:39:10.640 --> 01:39:17.680 Right and you know like oh he's gonna have superpowers and she's like that's you know it's it's I don't know she just seems like she wants kids but not right now. 01:39:18.159 --> 01:39:32.960 And he's like well girl why aren't you why you like I appreciate you telling me but you need to tell him like you need to tell Mark because Mark still doesn't know right and she goes to his house to tell him and she's like and she's like are you okay and he's like no but I'm getting better. 01:39:33.039 --> 01:39:49.680 Yeah like I'm getting there and he's and she's like there's really no good time to tell you this so and then who is floating above the house none other than Omni Man Omni Man and Alan and Alan and it's just like oh Mark there is a war. 01:39:49.920 --> 01:40:01.680 There's a war we need you yeah like yeah yeah and it was just like oh like the timing is really good for

all this because you're you're waiting to hear about all this and you're waiting for but it's just like it's just so close. 01:40:01.920 --> 01:40:23.439 And I'm hoping the next I I don't know when I don't know when they're gonna like you know I don't when she's gonna tell him but I'm so ready to see that conversation you know um he's clutching his mic oh no is it time to end this episode already um but yeah I want to say this is a really good series I'm really liking it so far. 01:40:23.600 --> 01:40:38.800 Um I uh with the is it every week that every Wednesday okay that's really cool um just just like the comic book um that's why Wednesdays are like my second favorite day of the week as Sundays I have to give it to church because I really like going to church and and and worshiping and stuff like that. 01:40:39.039 --> 01:40:51.520 Honestly I thought you were going to say like my favorite day of the week is Friday because it's the end of the day well that too but Wednesday's new comic book day it's Invincible day it's now going to be Daredevil day basically so it's gonna be Wednesday's we can good. 01:40:51.600 --> 01:41:28.239 Yeah also I I want to make I did I forgot to mention this there was I have a little complaint about the new season yes you do you gotta talk about that there are the first of all the animation of this show has always been fantastic season one two three and even a lot of four have been really really good but man that first episode of season four the animation was rough I don't know if anybody I didn't notice this there there's a scene where Adam Adam Eve and um Adam Eve and Invincible are Adam Eve and are in the kitchen talking and we oh that should be a button. 01:41:28.479 --> 01:41:56.079 That should be we're getting our button out you know that should be it um but they're talking in the kitchen and like when like when uh Invincible walks up to her it just looks like a cool math like a like do you know those I don't know if everybody knows what cool math is but like do you remember when you're little and you're in school and you get computer time and you go on like a game website and you're playing like Papa's pizzeria flash yeah like Flash gets games yeah um not flash gets that's a YouTube channel. 01:41:57.359 --> 01:42:08.000 Like plugging people we don't even know yeah yeah yeah well I know what you mean like flash media games yeah it and the the him walking up to her and then walking out of the kitchen looked like a cutscene from one of those games. 01:42:08.239 --> 01:42:09.119 It just did not look good. 01:42:09.279 --> 01:42:14.880 I don't know what I really need to go back and and watch that from a yeah when we when this is over I'll pull it up okay just so you can see it. 01:42:15.039 --> 01:42:22.640 But like I don't know it just I because I got worried and I was just like is it just me or does the animation because like I had just watched that first episode. 01:42:22.800 --> 01:42:29.039 We were getting into the second episode and I was like oh no the animation is quality looks like it's going down. 01:42:29.199 --> 01:42:29.680 That's not good. 01:42:29.920 --> 01:42:41.199 But then it got back up quick and like then it was fine for the rest of the the the uh the episodes I think what invincible does and I've noticed this with every season is that they really save the budget for the last episode. 01:42:41.439 --> 01:44:17.680 I get that yeah and and so yeah the conquest fight in the last season was awesome that was insane so I was I'll do a quick story about that I'm watching that episode and I'm seeing all these moments from the comic books that I'm seeing and even the the the line where he's like you're wrong I can see into the future and you don't make it to tomorrow and uh that scene like I'm I'm I'm in the floor watching it yeah because I'm watching on my phone and like I have nowhere else to like stretch out in the office and you're like laying in the floor I'm laying on the floor like yeah I'm just enjoying it yeah and man I like hit on the floor I'm like let's go let's freaking go baby yeah like that's awesome and my buddy who works on the floor below me texted me and said is everything okay I just heard a really loud noise I said yeah everything's fine what'd you hear yeah I don't know what that is I just I just plumbing or something you know that's fine definitely wasn't watching invincible you're just like banging your head on the floor like as Mark is doing it you're like this is so interactive my boss walks up and he's like Claire are you okay I just defeated Concord this guy's certainly not coming back now right you sure did you eat lunch today no I lost a bit to Bob Bob wasn't in the new super minute but oh no oh my god but anyway so what would you rate this new season of Invincible so far on um I don't I feel I feel bad rating it early but I'll go ahead and give it a rating now. 01:44:18.159 --> 01:44:24.239 Yeah I guess we're halfway through um what out of what? 01:44:24.880 --> 01:44:40.239 Out of 10 10 being the greatest show you have ever watched one being absolute dog pop one being ultimate spire many people are gonna hate this they're gonna be like I hate you guys I'm not watching your show anymore. 01:44:41.039 --> 01:45:00.720 Like uh you know oh so like one is like dog food right things I like better than ultimate spire dog food dog food um uh definitely it's not a I think the last season was uh I think the last season was a 10. 01:45:00.960 --> 01:45:04.399 I would season three was a 10 yeah I think last season was a 10. 01:45:04.560 --> 01:45:10.000 I think season one I'm gonna I'm writing the seasons just so I can kind of figure out where I want to put this one so far. 01:45:10.319 --> 01:45:15.199 Season one What happened in season two? 01:45:15.359 --> 01:45:16.960 Was season two the multiverse stuff? 01:45:17.279 --> 01:45:37.279 Uh no that happened in season three season two was when Oliver was first introduced

and Mark reunites with Omni Man on the on that planet and then the Vilternites take him away okay you're right okay so I would rate what's the big finale like the finale of season two? 01:45:37.600 --> 01:46:05.359 I can't remember is it's not when Mark gets taken away I think it's when that's when the the multiverse guy starts to to be when Angstrom starts coming oh that's when he fights yeah he fights him and that's when like is that when we get spider agent spider in season yes that's the ending of season two right that's season two because then he comes back in season three with the multiverse stuff okay sorry I I forgot about season two um honestly I think I would rate it like I think every season has gotten better. 01:46:05.520 --> 01:46:33.760 I think I think like if I had to rate it rank it in like season like season three is my favorite season two is my second season one is my third season four has got to be my fourth as of right as of right now with you as of right now like do I think it can change absolutely do I know where the story's going not at all but I I think it could change but right now so far from season one to season three it every season was better. 01:46:34.079 --> 01:46:43.439 I do think like the Invincible war was a lot shorter than it should have been I do think you know but um it's okay it's like you know it's it's like what one or two issues in the comics you know it's not that long anyway. 01:46:43.760 --> 01:47:13.039 So I'll tell you this knowing what happens in the comics everything gets better every single time every arc every plot every character development everything gets better every single time this is why I think Robert Kirkman is arguably the best writer in comics wow I I stick by that because of what he does with Invincible you see his growth as a writer and everything just progressively gets better. 01:47:13.199 --> 01:47:39.119 Yeah and I I mean I love Chip Zadarsky I love Mark Wade I love all these other writers I think Robert Kirkman is the best that's why I think what he's about to do with Transformers is going to be incredible but um that's gonna be next time that that comes out I think that's I think that's you know I I I will agree I think that Robert Kirkman I don't I wouldn't say he's the best just because I don't know if I know enough to to rate that but this is probably one of the best developing stories that I've been involved. 01:47:39.520 --> 01:47:50.800 Like it every you see the growth the growth stays these the characters are all the same you can tell that this guy has all this planned out or at least has a concept of all this planned out and is sticking close to it. 01:47:50.960 --> 01:48:29.359 Now the show being a little bit different I don't know but so far what I'm seeing out of the show is all the characters they have their place when you know like I remember when Rex died uh in the second season I think it's it's it's with the invincible war so it's the third season when he dies like that that was like because even him like a character that was he sucked in season one but he developed to the point where when he dies you're like oh man that sucks you know I don't know it's just there's there's a the character development is very well and the story the driving of the story is really good too I I I think it's yeah the best comic series out there but that's my opinion. 01:48:29.520 --> 01:48:50.960 So anyways anything else you want to talk about before we wrap it up man I think we've covered it we talked about Superman Spider-Man we've talked about Spider-Man brand new day we've talked about uh doomsday and uh and secret wars and now invincible so I think what do we got coming next week I know we've got Absolute Batman comes out when does that come out I think that comes out in two to three weeks I think we've got a little while before Absolute Batman comes out again. 01:48:51.199 --> 01:49:53.279 I don't know uh I really don't know when we're gonna have another 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