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I sent to you this out.
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My secret home.
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My artichoke.
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My artichoke.
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My artichoke.
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Hey buddies, this is Drew Prohaska, the host and producer of The Artichoke.
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It's a beautiful fall day in New York's Hudson Valley, and I couldn't be more excited to share this week's episode with you.
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We're calling this one Imposter Syndrome, and we've got three fantastic stories about people posing to be someone they're not.
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And we're kicking off with someone I'm a big fan of, my pal Jim O'Grady.
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New Yorkers might recognize his voice from WNYC Radio, his many New York Times pieces, or from his story about fake mobsters that was featured on This American Life.
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Jim is an Edward R.
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Murrow award-winning reporter who writes on a number of serious topics, but let me tell you, he is one funny dude.
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Here he is from our mainstage show in November of 2025 with his story, Pie Man.
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I began my illustrious career in journalism in the Bronx, where I toiled as a hard-boiled reporter for the Ram, the Fordham University student newspaper.
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And one day I'm walking across campus toward the campus center, and out comes the elusive Dean McGowan, architect of a policy to replace Fordham's traditionally working to middle class students with richer, more prestigious ones.
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So I grab my pen and my reporter's notebook and I walk up to him and I say, Dean McGowan, is it true that you plan to substantially raise Fordham's tuition above the inflation rate?
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And if so, wouldn't that be a betrayal of its mission?
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And Dean McGowan stops, looks at me, I look at him, I see the expression on his face, and it says, Why does the peasant speak to me?
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And then out of the corner of my eye, there's a blur that becomes a figure wearing a Lone Ranger's mask and holding a cream pie, which becomes the guy standing next to me, mashing a cream pie in the dean's face.
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And then runs away.
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The dean is covered with cream.
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So I give him a moment.
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And then I say, Dean McGowan, would you care to comment on this latest attack?
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And he says, Yeah, screw you.
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So I've got my scoop and I run back to the newsroom.
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And I find the editor, Jim Dwyer.
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He's a big guy, he's a tough guy, he's a senior.
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He
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will go on to win a Pulitzer Prize.
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That's true.
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And I tell him what I've seen, and I pitch it as a story.
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And he goes, Dean McGowan.
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That guy's a dick.
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Write it up.
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So I run to a desk and I find a typewriter.
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A typewriter, a typewriter.
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And I start banging out my story, and I know it's good.
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And then I start to make it better.
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By adding an element of embellishment.
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Now, journalists have a phrase for this.
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They call it making shit up.
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And they recommend against it, and that is correct.
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But I had just witnessed the unholy alliance of a dean's face and a cream-based pastry.
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So I had sort of lost my mind.
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So the first thing I do is I give the figure a name.
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I call him Pie Man.
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Capital P, capital M.
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And I described him as a masked wearing caped avenger.
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Although, in fact, he had been capeless.
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And I say that as he exited the scene, he clicked his heels in rakish glee.
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And I gave him a catchphrase in Latin.
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Because if you go to a Catholic university and you have something important to say, you use a dead language.
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I said that as he exited the scene, he cried, Ego sum non and bestia, which means I am not an animal, which makes no sense.
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I'd seen it in a movie.
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And so I finished my story and I bring it to Dwyer and he looks at it and he goes, Pie man.
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I love it.
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Page one.
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And that's how it started.
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A few days later, I get a letter that says, Dear Jim, nice story, good detail.
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If you want to see me in action again, be on the steps of Dwayne Library Tuesday at 3 o'clock.
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Signed Pie Man! And oh, I was there with a photographer from the Ram.
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And right around 3 o'clock, out from the library, comes a student body of president, Sheila Beale.
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Sheila was different than the rest of us, a flannel shirt wearing, part-time job working students.
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Sheila was well bred.
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Sheila had a school spirit.
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Sheila was the type of student that Dean McGowan wanted more of.
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And they had worked together to ban all outdoor drinking on campus, the infamous no more beer at the barbecue rule.
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Because Sheila thought that drinking in public was a poor taste.
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And I think you know what happens next.
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And as he flees, he cries, Ego sum, non an tissue.
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As I reported in my story in the Ram, next to a large photo of him running away with a cape flowing behind him, as he did this.
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And that made him a sensation at Fordham.
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People dressed up like him at Halloween.
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They quoted him in class.
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The Ram ran five major stories about Pie Man, all of them by me.
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And at the end of the semester, I went to a bar off campus.
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And as I walked in, I noticed in the corner Angela from my Brit Litt class.
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And now Andrea and I, Angela and I had been flirting for months.
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Or I had been flirting with her.
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And with such nuance that there was a question about whether she knew I existed.
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So I saw her there, and I made a note to do nothing about it.
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And I went to the bar, and then I felt a tap on my shoulder, and it was Angela.
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And she said, Jim, we were just talking about Pie Man and about how you always seem to know when he will strike.
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And we were wondering, are you Pi Man?
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And I knew by the way she asked that question, I knew that if I said yes, she would have sex with me.
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And wasn't I really Pi Man for having brought him into existence?
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Didn't she only know about him because of me?
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But in fact, she had asked a straightforward question and came with a straightforward answer.
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I was not Pi Man.
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As far as I knew, I had never been in his presence out when he wasn't in costume.
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So I said, Yes, and I am Pi Man.
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And she said, Oh good.
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Now buy me a beer and tell me all about it.
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Thanks.
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If you're a fan of episodic podcasts, you have got to listen to Jim's outstanding podcast, Blind Spot The Road to 9-11, about the many events, players, and missed opportunities leading up to 9-11.
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It is riveting.
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And up next we have another really funny dude, Tim Lopez.
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Tim's a park ranger educator, Jeopardy winner, and multiple moth story slam winner.
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I saw Tim perform the story you're about to hear at a Moth Grand Slam competition in Brooklyn, and he had the whole audience in stitches, so I just had to invite him up to tell this story at the Artichoke.
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So here's Tim at our main stage at the Howland Cultural Center in Beacon, New York in July of 2021 with his story, A Little Bit of Flair.
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Wow.
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Alright, so it was around the turn of the century, and I found myself in the middle of a full-blown quarter life crisis.
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I had dropped out of school, really as a way to get out ahead of getting officially kicked out, moved back home with my parents, and was working more or less full-time as a bartender at a TGI Fridays in the San Fernando Valley.
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Now, in its heyday, uh TGI Fridays was something of a trailblazer in the bar and hospitality industry.
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In fact, they're responsible for many groundbreaking innovations, uh, such as Happy Hour and Lady's Night and The Potato Skin's Appetizer.
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Um, and they're also uh kind of a pioneer in what is known as flare bartending, uh, which is an aggressively flamboyant style of bartending, um, immortalized in the 1987 film Cocktail, uh, in which Tom Cruise uh plays a young, hotshot bartender who uh develops and uses uh his bottle-flipping shenanigans um at the TGI Friday's flagship store on the Upper East Side of Manhattan.
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Um now, after this, I guess you could call it a peak, um, the popularity and awareness of flare bartending in the Zeitgeist uh went into a precipitous decline.
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Um as did the overall cachet of uh TGI Fridays as a hip dining establishment, um reaching perhaps its nadir uh in the 1999 film Office Space, uh, in which a very thinly veiled TGI Friday's knockoff um is so thoroughly and mercilessly satirized and mocked that uh by the time I got there, even the word flare had been thoroughly scrubbed from all of the corporate identity of Fridays.
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Um and that of course included flare bartending, which was kind of pushed into the shadows and uh went underground and was really on the verge of becoming a lost art.
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But there were always persistent rumors that there were pockets of flare bartenders that were practicing it in secret.
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Uh, you know, in case it ever came back.
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Those rumors were validated in 2005 when Corporate announced to very mild fanfare the 2005 TGI Friday's Regional Bar Flare Championships.
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An event, grand spectacle, in which one person from each of the stores in the Southern California region would be invited to compete against each other in an all-day extravaganza of bartending tomfoolery.
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I signed up for this immediately.
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Um, partly because, you know, I didn't have I literally had nothing else going on in my life at the time, but also because it seemed like a fun and mostly harmless way to express myself in a semi-theatrical manner.
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Um and so I was given three months to prepare for this.
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And true to form, I didn't do any kind of meaningful preparation until a couple of weeks before the event.
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And um my training regimen uh consisted almost entirely of getting drunk andor high and watching, you know, key scenes from cocktail at half speed.
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That notwithstanding, I picked up a couple of tricks.
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I could do uh a tin flip in which you flip the uh cocktail shaker off of the bar and catch it behind your head.
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Um I could flip a bottle a bottle uh to a pour, as we say in flare bartending parlance.
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Um and I could do another trick where I would uh throw the shaker behind me like this and catch it behind my back um sometimes.
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Uh and so despite this impressive repertoire, uh when the tournament came around, I was feeling a little bit underprepared.
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Um but then I told myself, you know what, like who's even gonna be here, you know?
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And I I was expecting a smattering of you know flare bartending nerds and you know the usual assortment of suburban bar flies that you tend to see at a TGI Fridays at 3 p.m.
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on a Monday.
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Uh but I get there, and apparently they'd done quite a bit of publicity for this event because the place was packed.
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All right, the restaurant was full, it was five deep at the bar, they were doing two-for-one drink specials, and all you could eat, Jack Daniel's appetizers all night.
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The place was nuts.
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And, you know, some co-workers and frenemies of mine had showed up uh without telling me they were gonna do so, and there was a camera crew there, and they were videotaping the event um for broadcast on closed circuit television to the entire restaurant and also to every participating store uh in TJ Freddy's store in in North America.
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Uh so there was a quite a sizable audience for this, and um at that point I began to worry, and that worry uh kind of escalated into outright panic when I, you know, we got started in the con in the event and uh I got my first look at the competition.
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These were some seriously badass individuals who took flare bartending extremely seriously, all right?
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And they were all coming out and they had these really elaborately choreographed routines that were set to music and you know, a dazzling array of tricks, right?
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They were flipping multiple bottles at the same time, and they were doing this trick where you would throw the bottle up and then catch it on their foreheads, um, and they were setting things on fire and stuff like that.
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And um, this one uh y young woman, she she came out and she was amazing, and her routine was set to that Rihanna song that was like all the rage at the time and replay, I believe it was called, and she just came out and just murdered, and she had a routine where she culminated with she threw three maraschino cherries up in the air and then caught them on a spear that she had wedged between her teeth.
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It was very obvious very early that I was not gonna be competitive in this event.
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And what was worse is that we drew order randomly, and I drew last.
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So I was the closer for this thing.
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And I had to watch as these people just got up there and just absolutely shredded the bar while I stood off to the side and withdrew into a personal shame spiral.
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Second to last competitor, guy before me.
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He gets up there and he looks like the human embodiment of flair bartending.
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He is buff.
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Um he is like tattooed, he's like sleeved up on like both arms, and he has a man bun, and he's extremely attractive.
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Just a beautiful person.
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And um, and like his name's Esteban, so he's like even a little bit more Latino than me.
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And um and he gets up there and he just destroys, you know, and he's flipping multiple bottles at the same time, and uh his routine is set to the beastie boys, you gotta fight for your right to party.
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And you know, he gets to the chorus and it's like, you gotta fight, flip, flip for your right, catch, catch to party.
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The place goes, for lack of a better word, apeshit.
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Um, you know, he closes by jumping up on the rail and he swoops the whipped cream out of the rail, and there's three girls that are sitting there at the bar, and this is obviously a pre-planned stunt.
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And they all throw their heads back and open their mouths, and he whipped creams each of their mouths and then jumps into the bar to thunderous applause.
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And I'm standing there, and it's I go over, I go over to my manager, Scott, and I'm like, yo, I can't do this.
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Like, I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do it.
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Uh, you gotta get me out of this.
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I'm not I'm I'm not gonna go out there.
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And he's like, What?
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Like, what are you talking about?
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Like, you have to, like, you're our representative.
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Like, I repped you.
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And I was like, I don't care.
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Like, I I can't do this.
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I'm not gonna- I can't follow this guy.
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Like, I'm gonna go out there, I'm gonna make a fool out of myself.
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And um, and he's like, alright.
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I'm like, just I'm like, just tell him I'm sick, like I'm not doing it.
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And I see and he's like, fine.
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And I see this look come over his face.
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And it's a look I'm very familiar with at that point in my life.
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And it's a look of disappointment.
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And, you know, I've seen that look many times in my life.
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I've seen it on the faces of my parents when I told them I was dropping out of school.
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I've seen them on the face of various employers that I had, that were of jobs that I was either fired, you know, f fired from or quitting.
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Um, I'd seen it on the faces of girlfriends who were dumping me for something that I did or I didn't do.
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And, you know, I realized that this is my MO, right?
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I I'm really good at starting things.
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And I'm really good at getting into things with enthusiasm and with gusto, but then when it gets tough and when you have to do the work, I bail.
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And I and then maybe, just maybe.
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That's why I was, you know, working at this restaurant and my life was basically going nowhere at that point.
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And so I was like, you know what?
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I'll do it.
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Thank you.
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And Scott's like, great, go get him.
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And so I turn around and I trudge up to the bar.
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And then he's like, wait, wait, hold on, hold on.
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He's like, What song do you want me to play?
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And I'm like, bro, it doesn't matter.
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And I turn around and I walk out behind the bar.
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And I look at a sea of faces, and all these people looking at me with just these bright-eyed anticipation that they're gonna see like some some new some new levels of like bar trickery, right?
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And and they're just they're waiting for a show.
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And I just look down at my shoes, I'm waiting for
the song to start, and the music starts up, and it's Billy Idol dancing with myself.
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And so I kind of smile, and then I just start laughing, and I start tapping my foot, you know, just kind of giving one of these, getting into the flow.
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And then I launch into three and a half minutes of what can only be described as an absolute mockery of the art and craft of flair bartending.
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Nothing goes right.
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I try to do my I try to do my flip and I hit myself in the face with a tin.
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You know?
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I try to flip a bottle, you know, it lands, you know, nozzle side down on my wrist.
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You know, but I'm I'm in it now, right?
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And I'm kind of all over the place, but I'm I'm I'm doing it with energy, I'm doing it with gusto, you know.
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I'm getting bar mixes and alcohol over myself and all over everybody in the front row.
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But I'm getting after it.
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And I've I've got and I'm smiling, I'm laughing, I'm having a good time, and the crowd's having a good time.
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And at the end, you know, as a tribute to a steb on, you know, I grab the bloody merry mix and I jump up on the bar and I try to get the you know the girls to kind of engage in this routine and they look at me like, no, what are you doing?
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And then that's it.
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And yes, I did get the lowest score ever recorded at one of these events.
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But I did it! I stuck it through, and at least I know that I've got flair! Thank you.
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I would pay good money to see a video of Tim in this flare bartending competition.
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In each episode of this podcast, we're highlighting a storyteller from our local Hudson Valley storytelling scene and sharing a brief interview with them.
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And this week I'm so happy to introduce you to the wonderful Eli Walker, who hosts our monthly Story Slams at Norma's and Wappinger's Falls.
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Eli's an actress, an entrepreneur who turned a drinking game into a viral phenomenon called drunk yoga.
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She's a social wellness and belonging expert and a heck of a good storyteller to boot.
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And here's a story she Told at one of our artichoke workshop class shows this past June.
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Um, okay.
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So moving to New York City at age 18, I never once thought about whether I was allowed to have control over my body.
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As in like reproductively, right?
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Because in New York, if something goes wrong, there's a Dwayne Reed on every corner, there's a clinic in every neighborhood.
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I always had access to birth control, plan B, you name it.
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My body was a thing that I like lived in, not a thing I had to defend.
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But when I was 21 years old, I was studying abroad in Prague.
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And um, over Thanksgiving weekend, my friend Laura and I were traveling back to Prague from spending the weekend in London.
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So it was late Sunday evening, we were hungover in Heathrow Airport when we got a text from our friend back in Prague.
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And that text said, Hey guys, I need the morning after pill, and I can't get it here in Prague because you need a prescription.
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So by the time I make an appointment with the doctor tomorrow, it'll be too late.
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Can you pick it up at a pharmacy in Heathrow?
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Okay, so just one more time for the people in the back.
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In 2011 in the Czech Republic, to get the morning after pill, you needed a prescription from a doctor signed, right, to prevent a pregnancy on a Sunday when no doctors were open.
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We had 45 minutes until our gate closed, and there were three pharmacies in the terminal.
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And something happened to Laura and I in that moment that I never experienced before.
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It was like this primal urge to protect our friend, our kind, funny, usually very responsible friend.
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And her bodily autonomy.
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See, there was a woman 400 miles away whose entire next two decades potentially depended on what Laura and I could accomplish in the next 45 minutes.
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And I felt my body, but what I'd never really had to think about become a vehicle for her.
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Okay, so pharmacy number one, I do the talking.
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I go up to the front desk and I say, Hi, excuse me.
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We need the morning after pill for our friend.
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And the pharmacist looks at me with a patient eyes of someone who's had this conversation many times.
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She says, I'm sorry.
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I can only dispense it to the person who's going to take it.
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Right, but she's in Prague.
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Well, she's going to have to get it there.
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No, she can't get it there.
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That's why we're here.
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I'm sorry.
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Fuck.
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Okay, so we leave.
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We sprint to pharmacy number two.
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New strategy.
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Laura, beautiful, brilliant Laura from the Bronx, walks up to the front desk and she says very loudly, Hi, excuse me.
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Hi, excuse me.
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I need the morning after pill.
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And the person at the front desk says, Um, one moment, I'll get the pharmacist.
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And ten long minutes later, we are still standing there in Terminal 5 watching our flight time tick down while somewhere in the back, a pharmacist finishes her frickin' tea.
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Finally, the pharmacist arrives.
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She has a clipboard, she has 10 questions.
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So she starts.
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She says, When did the unprotected sex occur?
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Laura, um, last night.
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When was the date of your last menstrual period?
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Um, two weeks ago?
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And your cycle length?
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Uh, I don't know, 28 days.
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And have you had any other unprotected sex this cycle?
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Um yes.
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Question mark.
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She puts down the clipboard and says, I'm sorry, I cannot dispense this to you.
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Fuck.
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Okay, we leave.
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We sprint to pharmacy number three, last pharmacy, last chance, and you guys, the pharmacist isn't there.
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Of course, the pharmacist isn't there.
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Why would there be a pharmacist at a pharmacy?
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They have to call her in.
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We are now actively missing our boarding time.
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But listen, y'all, we had been studying, okay?
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We had failed two plan B practice exams, but now we knew the motherfucking curriculum.
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So finally the pharmacist arrives.
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She's got the clipboard, Laura walks up, they are ready.
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When did the unprotected sex occur?
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Last night.
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When was the date of your last menstrual period?
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Two weeks ago, 28-day cycle?
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Regular.
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Have you had any other unprotected sex this cycle?
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No.
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Any other medication allergies, like topic pregnancy, liver disease, Crohn's?
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No, no, no, no, no.
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Ten for ten, motherfuckers, ten for ten.
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Laura performed the most convincing piece of theater of her undergraduate career.
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The pharmacist hands us a little white box, and we ran through Terminal 5 to our gate, like Olympians, our winter coats drenched in vodka-smelling sweat.
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We make our flight by the grace of the reproductive gods.
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We land in Prague, we deliver the pill to our friend, she takes it at work, she does not get pregnant.
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Okay, you guys, that was the end of November 2011.
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All right, by the end of December 2011, fun fact, that pill was made available over the counter in the Czech Republic.
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So by Christmas, our friend could have just walked into any pharmacy in Prague and bought it like a pack of gum, whereas we had run a 45-minute relay race across an international border for a lot that had three weeks left to live, but that's fine.
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Okay.
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Growing up, I thought my body, like every woman's body, belonged to me.
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But that Sunday evening in Heathrow, I learned it's actually something that a lot of women have to fight for.
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And I learned that the women who fight for it will lie, sprint, and memorize the pharmacy test and the time it takes to miss a connecting flight.
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And I have been one of those women once, and I would do it again.
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Hello, listeners, it's me, Carly, your producer and storytelling enthusiast.
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I'm excited to share a little bit from my chat with Eli.
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We talked about how she came to be the host of the Story Slams at Norma's and her process for crafting her own stories.
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Spoiler alert, she is an over-preparer.
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Here's Eli.
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How did the hosting of the Story Slams come to be?
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I've always been interested in storytelling, but don't really have a background in it.
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I did go to NYU Tish School of the Arts for Acting, so I have a background in acting, but not storytelling.
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But I thought close enough, right?
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Little did I know how hard storytelling actually is.
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I thought it'd be really easy, but it's actually really, really difficult.
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And I have a lot more respect for storytellers now.
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I called Drew and I said, Hey, I was thinking about hosting a storytelling open mic night because I really just need to make some friends and I want to get back on the stage.
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If I started a storytelling open mic night in Beacon, would that be stepping on your toes?
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And he was so sweet and he said, you know, I've actually been needing
to do an open mic myself.
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Do you want to just do it together?
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And like the articho can do it and you can just host it.
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And I was like, ideal.
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Yes, please.
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What do you think is the most difficult part of storytelling?
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And how have you held those difficulties in your own storytelling?
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I like that question.
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For me personally, the hardest part of the art of storytelling, like that specific genre of like the six-minute story has to be true, has to have happened to you, has to have a beginning, middle, end, it's timed, like truncated.
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Obviously, getting it short enough, because you'd be surprised if anyone out there has never done storytelling, like how how quick six minutes can go.
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And so writing it to perfection and then being able to memorize it in such a way that you really know it in your body and know it in your heart and your soul, so you can really speak from your heart and your soul when you're on a stage and share it.
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Um, so it feels extemporaneous to the folks in your audience.
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I'll spend a day just sort of reading it out loud in 20 minute blocks, and then as quickly as I can, I start to put down the paper and just read it, like memorize it as quickly as I can.
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And then my system is I do it like five or ten times a day before I perform it for about a week in advance.
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I'm an over-preparer, Carly.
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Well, I I mean I think that it's so beautiful.
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I love when we can technical and inside baseball um talking to folks because everybody's process is really different.
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I always give myself a certain time when I stop practicing.
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I'll maybe run it the night before and maybe once the day of, or maybe sometimes not at all the day of, so that I am like just trusting myself to know what I've practiced, but then guaranteeing that I'm I'm still looking for it in the moment.
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I really want to start trusting myself more and like um practice less, but I'm a rambler.
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What can I say?
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Just I feel like if I don't have the words, I'm gonna go on and on.
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Is there anything else you want to let everybody know about what you're up?
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I'm premiering something new in 2027 in Vermont, actually, at this cool place called Next Stage, and it's this first time that I'm combining solo performance art, speaking about belonging, so I'm breaking the fourth wall, and it's educational, but it's also highly facilitated and play-based.
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It's something that I've wanted to do for a long time, and it's just been one of those pipe dreams, but now I feel like, you know, no time like the present Carly.
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And so have a date, and I'm gonna start it and we're gonna tour it, and really excited about that.
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You can find Eli online at belongwithelai.com and definitely check out her one woman show in which she plays multiple characters called Kill the Buddha.
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It is outstanding.
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And that's it for this week, everybody.
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Our theme song is The Artichoke by Charming Disaster.
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Thank you so much to them, to our storytellers, to our producer Carly Shiraki, and to our graphic designer Adam Selpst, and to you, the audience, for listening.
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We'll catch you next time.