התמלול המלא של Episode 200: The Tokyo Summit (Proudly Presented by Patreon.com/AnHonorablePod)

I don't even know anybody else on the 30 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:38.240 team, not that it matters but oh Carminal Anthony, his ghost is still 31 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:46.439 there. But I just think it's such a cool building. And after watching 32 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:51.199 the HBO show, I'm very very jealous. So you know, I don't 33 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:58.759 get jealous about buildings necessarily. I'm excited about that, you know me, 34 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:01.560 I don't get excited for billings. No, I'm excited for this one. 35 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:07.960 This is this is one that I'm really bummed not to be at. Um 36 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:14.879 maybe next time, Um, I'll get out there. But this is uh 37 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:22.080 not about the Fabulous Forum. Uh, this is episode number two hundred for 38 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:29.199 us and I when I was typing out the format, so I have kind 39 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:32.120 of like a basic you know format that I copy and paste and then insert 40 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:38.360 pertinent stuff every week. And when I typed it two instead of a one 41 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:44.879 for the episode number, I kind of got a little emotional. Um, 42 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:51.759 you know there there is a pretty interesting origin story to this podcast. UM. 43 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:57.840 I don't know. Initial thoughts on episode two hundred, some favorite memories, 44 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:04.800 maybe a favorite episode. I don't know if I have a favorite episode 45 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:10.599 off the top of my head. Eight hours of Samoa Joe, hours of 46 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:16.079 Samoa Joe before we had eat any idea to do this, probably any rational 47 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:21.839 fashion, or in our first two episodes and we were recording like forty five 48 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:27.720 minutes and then have to take a break for whatever child related reasons I'm sure 49 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:30.759 on my end, and then four record another hour and then by the time 50 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:33.680 we were down to realize, fuck, we have a four hour show, 51 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:41.800 as we recorded it in five parts. Yeah, those were, you know, 52 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:46.879 the the late night, one o'clock in the morning recordings, or the 53 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:50.920 fun stuff of when Nathan was a tiny little one, and recording around that 54 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:59.240 nap schedule, my bartending schedule. You're I don't know, job chaos. 55 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:05.560 Yeah. Yeah, I mean I've lost both my grandparents, my grams and 56 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:11.560 Pops since we started this. I know the one I think when my grandmother 57 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:15.680 died, we did this show and I was plastered on a bottle of wine. 58 00:05:16.439 --> 00:05:21.560 Yeah, because I could not handle things I didn't know how to process 59 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:29.560 at all.

The murder of Carnal Sledge, my dear friend. All that 60 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:33.800 was all within the span of like four months. So none of those are 61 00:05:33.839 --> 00:05:41.600 part of my favorite memories. But I will say like reconnecting with so many 62 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:48.279 people has been like kind of the highlight for me for this show. Just 63 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:58.839 I guess kind of keeping this history alive and you know, recognizing and respecting 64 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:08.959 it for what it was and what it still is, but also realizing introspectively 65 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:14.040 my behavior is a ring of honor. Person in the early days may have 66 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:20.959 not been the most mature or handled the best. So I don't really have 67 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:28.480 like a favorite episode. Usually my favorite episode is the next episode, on 68 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:33.120 and on and on. But I mean, the origin story of this show 69 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:44.079 is my mom. Of all people who hates wrestling, like for those that 70 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:47.879 they don't know, my mom is very much, you know, the hardest 71 00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:55.079 worker I know for sure. But she introduced me to Howard Stern when I 72 00:06:55.160 --> 00:07:00.279 was a child and thinking about seventh grade, so weird, I mean, 73 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:04.519 to school. She just had him on. Yeah, and my mom goes, 74 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:08.639 this is disgusting. I can't believe you're listening to this. Isn't there 75 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:12.920 like a wrestling show you can listen to? And so well, there's like 76 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:16.040 one wrestling podcast that that comes out. It comes out on Fridays. So 77 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:21.759 I already listened to the last week's episode. And this is right before Tony 78 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:26.639 and Conrad started. At the point when we started, he was only Conrad 79 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:30.040 only had one podcast. He had show, had one show when we started 80 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:34.920 doing this, so you know, like, yeah, I mean think about 81 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:42.959 Conrad is On doing a podcast seven days a week. And my mom was 82 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:46.079 like, yeah, you should start your own podcast. And I was like, 83 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:48.160 I don't know. I was going to the Duke Miami game that night, 84 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:55.399 and which Duke one as they should thanks to the great Gary Trent, 85 00:07:56.040 --> 00:08:01.319 and it just, um, I don't know, the thought kind of festered. 86 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:03.800 I talked to my dad about it, who was a newscaster in the 87 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:07.680 early eighties, and he was like, I have a microphone I'll just give 88 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:13.000 you. So you know, my mom is the one that gets credit first 89 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:18.759 saying, oh, why don't you

talk about that Ring of honor quote unquote 90 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:22.639 that ring of honor. It's not called the Ring of honor, the Ring 91 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:35.480 of honor or, the row row of Honor. That was another a lesson. 92 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:39.399 You just made me think of how a ridiculate, a more ridiculous cretics 93 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:46.399 he would have made him change his name to Raymond Row. Yeah, yeah, 94 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:50.960 they would have. Uh. I mean, it's just there's an a 95 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:56.080 wrestler name that I'm surprised your card never came out with a Row bot. 96 00:08:56.039 --> 00:09:01.039 I mean they did, CP Monk and money. Yeah, I'm not a 97 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:05.559 robot. Robot that would have been good. I get to ask Bryce about 98 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:11.679 that this week to what he says. Which yesterday was the twentieth anniversary of 99 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:18.879 Chakara Too So Crazy. U jig Saw put up some great photos. But 100 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:22.960 we have so many people that we need to thank, you know, for 101 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:26.440 helping us get to this point, to two hundred shows. Obviously, you 102 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:31.080 know, thanks to my mom for the idea, the microphone, to my 103 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:39.080 dad. That microphone I think lasted about ten episodes. But nevertheless, we 104 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:43.759 got to thank Zach Johnson for making us sound so good every week, Joe 105 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:50.399 Finie for hosting us as part of the Creative Control Network, all of our 106 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:56.039 patrons that are over Patreon dot com back slash an Honorable Pod, the regular 107 00:09:56.120 --> 00:10:00.919 listeners to get the show every Tuesday and don't get any of the cool bonus 108 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:03.200 stuff that they could get if they signed up at Patreon dot com back slash 109 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:09.240 an Honorable Pod, and um, you know from for me personally, partner, 110 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:15.879 I gotta thank you for tag along for two hundred episodes. I don't 111 00:10:15.879 --> 00:10:22.960 think I could could ask for a better partner. We've had some substitute partners 112 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:30.000 Uh, Sugarfoot tagged in for an episode, so a couple episodes. Actually, 113 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:37.840 he's been on Grizzly And you did a show together when my grandfather passed 114 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:45.519 and you had some so you did you did several with our you know, 115 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:54.519 friends and associates. Yeah, fans, Tree and Bobo and Zach Jacob Cohen 116 00:10:54.679 --> 00:11:00.600 and there'll be more of those down the road. Um, hopefully do some 117 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:05.639 some more interviews. We've had Jigsaw and Jimmy Rave May rest in peace. 118 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:13.320 Um, Monster Monster Mac Jacob, Jim Jacob's Dave Lagana. Um,

we 119 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:22.679 need to get a female guest, how David Kyle, David Yeah, Ernie 120 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:28.519 Yeah, Alredy Arnie Like, yeah, we've had a good assortment. It's 121 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:31.600 been a good group and it's been a lot of fun on this journey. 122 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:35.039 So if you have anybody else you would like to thank, uh, go 123 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:39.200 ahead. Um, I'm wonderful. I sorry, I just thought of my 124 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:43.879 favorite episode, our Sweetey tribute. Yeah, yeah, that's gotta be the 125 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:50.279 best one we've done. Um, and we had Bryce and Eddie and OC 126 00:11:50.679 --> 00:11:56.000 and Chuck Taylor and uh, so many people will help contribute for that. 127 00:11:56.159 --> 00:12:00.639 I know I'm missing people, but yeah, just they're so so many people 128 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:09.080 helped make that just emotionally powerful to me. Yeah. Yeah, and it's 129 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:13.240 hard to think of that as like the favorite episode, but because it was 130 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:20.919 such a just an awful topic to have to talk about, because we should 131 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:26.600 be seeing him on television every Wednesday, great Friday. Just random coincidence. 132 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:31.240 I opened up my Twitter to make sure the poll went through, and the 133 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:33.840 first thing I see as a tweet from our our friend Peter Melnick that just 134 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:41.759 says, Hey, remember Bluetooth earpieces. As we're talking about Alex and I'm 135 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:46.559 wearing a shirt right now. He is everywhere. He's everywhere. I've got 136 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:50.639 his blue one of his bluetooths in my car. It's it's there with his 137 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:54.799 business card. He's with me at all times on the road, watching over 138 00:12:54.960 --> 00:13:03.600 me. And yeah, I mean, we've we've lost so many people during 139 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:05.320 the course of this show. Today is actually the one year anniversary of my 140 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:13.240 uncle Marvin's passing. Um, my grandfather's second oldest brother but the oldest of 141 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:20.480 the Schwartz boys born in the States. And yeah, I mean, it's 142 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:26.519 just it's crazy. We've gone through so much, um doing this show in 143 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:33.600 two hundred episodes, it's it's pretty incredible. So anybody else to send thank 144 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:39.080 yous to? Just anybody? I guess I have just everybody who is who 145 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:46.600 is uh who was supported, listened and giving us feedback and uh yeah, 146 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:50.799 so thank you all. Also Mary, we should thank Mary. Yeah, 147 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:56.080 I definitely should thank my wife for tolerating our bullshit at all hours of the 148 00:13:56.159 --> 00:14:01.960 day and night, depending on our daping schedules. I kept throwing you. 149 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:09.519 Anybody else, anybody else bueller yeah? Mary? Oh yeah, my wife? 150 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:20.039 Yeah, yeah, Please thank you Rodney m we uh. We've had 151 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:24.080 a lot of fun doing this, but the show must go on, and 152 00:14:24.159 --> 00:14:28.840 we must announce that you can support this very show an honorable mention Patreon dot 153 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:33.320 com, backslash and honorable pod. Email us with any questions you may have, 154 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:39.559 show suggestions, guests, etc. We'll take them all over. An 155 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:45.080 honorable mention at gmail dot com, and our archive of episodes, which is 156 00:14:45.159 --> 00:14:50.799 now two hundred episodes. 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I think it's a worthy and honorable mention. It is September fourteen, 186 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:18.720 two thousand and eight. We are in Tokyo, Japan at differ Ariacky 187 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:26.359 for the Tokyo Summit. Probably presented by Patreon dot com Backslash an Honorable pot. 188 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:33.160 Yeah, two hundred shows is it's kind of like us. You know, 189 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:38.640 it's two hundred ish in reality because you know, Frontiers of Honor, 190 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:48.799 the Jersey Lpro Collision Cores Show, Door Dies, you know there the this 191 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:52.960 is two hundredth show of the Official Cannon. I suppose much like you know, 192 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:56.680 I was compared to UFC. You know, the fight might be might 193 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:00.400 might be UFC two hundred, but there's been three hundred and fifty seven shows. 194 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:07.400 It's uh. I imagine like around this time, you know, getting 195 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:11.759 to two hundred. Maybe it's not the milestone. I'm thinking it would be 196 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:18.279 like this something that was celebrated. No, no, I think it. 197 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:22.240 Uh. I think it was kind of one of those things that it was 198 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:26.079 just like, oh, hey, did you realize this is our two hundredth 199 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:32.039 show. It wasn't like Gold or the one hundredth show, where it was 200 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:36.640 you know, very aware that it was the fiftieth show or the one hundredth 201 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:38.000 show. I recall this kind of being more like, oh hey, this 202 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:45.559 just so happens to be our two hundredth show. Interesting. Yeah, um, 203 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:51.000 I always think back to like on these round the big round numbers. 204 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:56.319 I remember I wa mid South there three hundred show was called the three hundredth 205 00:18:56.400 --> 00:19:03.279 show, and it was supposed to be Ian Roton's retirement show the next night, 206 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:12.119 and then it ended up just being called three zero one, and then 207 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:18.359 Ian retired for five minutes and then came back. But it's always an amusing 208 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:22.880 story to remember when we get into these round numbered shows. But you know, 209 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:30.039 obviously r waights going over to Japan a second time is important in the 210 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:34.359 grand scheme of things, but this is one that particularly you were not fond 211 00:19:34.400 --> 00:19:41.559 of because you didn't get to go for your birthday. No, it's bullshit. 212 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:45.480 It was bullshit. But you know, my birthday September thirteenth, the 213 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:55.240 day before the show, and somebody had to stay behind in the office and 214 00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:59.839 and you know, make sure y'all got your DVDs and your T shirt. 215 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:03.200 And now I'm curious, what's on the three hundred show by demand itself, 216 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:06.799 so I'm actually looking at it. Somebody had to be bigbody had to be 217 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:11.720 there to mail at all your shit. So yep, Harley Race was a 218 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:18.279 keeper of a k win a cage match involving Ian Rotten and Bullpain Okay, 219 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:26.839 Jerry Hero, Nate Webb and Nick Mondo an interesting, interesting show, Um, 220 00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:33.480 shark Boy and Mitch Ryder okay, oh boy? Uh yeah, man, 221 00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:36.880 So somebody had to stay behind and you know, mail out stuff. 222 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:41.880 I had to be you know, the guy whose birthday was who literally asked 223 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:47.720 I had to be able to go to this and like nope, So now 224 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:53.799 I didn't get to go to this or the previous Japan show or the UK 225 00:20:53.960 --> 00:21:02.039 shows because somebody had to stay behind and make sure you guys, ungrateful message 226 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:11.000 board Fox got your T shirts and your DVDs on time. Ungrateful, he 227 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:15.960 is still a heel. He has not given up. He has not come 228 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:21.799 you to realize. Call yes, calling you ungrateful as you as you purchased 229 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:26.680 things that made sure I had employment for a decade. Yes, and and 230 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:33.000 in full circle brought you back, brought me back. Yes. Yeah, 231 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:40.440 So this was not I was mad about this weekend in particular. Honestly, 232 00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:48.240 I don't blame you, because I I'm not like somebody that wants to travel 233 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:53.279 the whole world, you know, I just I don't know. There's nothing 234 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:59.440 that really sounds super

exciting to me about like going to Greece and seeing the 235 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:06.000 policy that I've seen or whatever, the big building thing is there. Yeah, 236 00:22:06.119 --> 00:22:08.000 you see it on Google and it's like, oh, all right, 237 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:12.480 looks cool. Seeing in person going to really change my opinion on it. 238 00:22:14.319 --> 00:22:19.799 I don't know. So, you know, Japan is like the one far 239 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:26.039 destination that I would be curious to go. And I would say the wrestling 240 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:32.599 component is probably a large part of it. The sneakers component also a large 241 00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:36.880 part of it. You'd have to pack like three extra bags just for shoes 242 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:45.079 if yeah, in your case, Yeah, But I just I don't know. 243 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:52.319 There's always been something about Japan that intrigued me visually, like they were 244 00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:56.440 a futuristic society. I guess kind of you know, based on what I 245 00:22:56.440 --> 00:23:02.799 would see in movies appealed to me. And this show has this kind of 246 00:23:02.839 --> 00:23:07.880 like a DVD cover that kind of looks futuristic. Oh you want to talk 247 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:11.119 about that DVD cover? Did you take a close look at it? Yeah, 248 00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:14.839 it's the poster slammed in the middle, but it's it's it's the actual 249 00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:18.480 poster. Like we took a picture of a poster, you can see the 250 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:25.960 crease lines from how the poster was folded instead of just taking the fucking gift 251 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:30.400 or jabeg or whatever it was and being like, here, sal use this 252 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:34.640 image. No, it's like we took a picture of the poster and put 253 00:23:34.680 --> 00:23:40.200 it on the front of a DVD. You can see the crease lines. 254 00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:45.799 So for those that are not following on my Facebook, I'm presently redoing my 255 00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:52.000 basement and I guess, you know, I have to have a little bit 256 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:59.880 of special help doing it. And this poster I actually found framed in my 257 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:06.240 basement and I go, oh, there's Tokyo Summit poster that we're doing for 258 00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:11.599 the podcast this week. And uh, my friend that was with me, 259 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:18.599 she uh, she just looked at me like the fuck are you talking about 260 00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:22.240 and said, the show is called the Tokyo Summit. That's the poster that 261 00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:30.359 was sold so that they could not come back completely broke. Yeah. But 262 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:34.960 the the imagery on the side, like over by the the font like that 263 00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:42.000 looks futuristic. Um, it's uh, it's the one place in the outside 264 00:24:42.000 -->

00:24:45.559 world that I would like to go at some point. It's it's it's a 265 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:51.160 font that's like how do I make English look like kanji? Yeah, that 266 00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:56.319 that is what this font is. Um, and the fucking image has creases. 267 00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:04.799 That's soap leak, it's so bush I don't know. Well, we're 268 00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:10.799 not done with bush League stuff yet, not yet, because we do have 269 00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:17.119 to talk about the August twenty nine video wire. It doesn't exist, not 270 00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:22.640 in a public space. In a public space, it only exists if you 271 00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:27.799 have this DVD or if you are a part of the twelve dollars and up 272 00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:33.480 tier on Picture on dot com back slash an old pod you can see this 273 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:41.319 historically disgusting, horribly timed video wire that we will be discussing today here on 274 00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:48.240 episode two hundred, the Tokyo Summit. Now there's a new ROH videos dot 275 00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:55.759 com intro that starts, so it's nice this finally got updated. Um. 276 00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:03.240 But then we go from the intro to something I actually did not watch in 277 00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:11.720 full because I was so disgusted. The Briscoes are here, they have guns, 278 00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:15.359 they have beer, they start talking age of the Fall, and then 279 00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:19.640 they start shooting guns, and I said, fuck this, I don't know. 280 00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:26.720 So if you want to elaborate on this nonsense, go ahead. I 281 00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:33.200 am very much anti gun, anti Second Amendment. So take your guns, 282 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:41.240 shot them up your ass. This uh let's just suffice to say this video 283 00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:48.400 wire did not last long. We pulled it pretty quickly, and I have 284 00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:57.799 a vague recollection that its existence may have cost us something. Yeah, he 285 00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:03.559 had a figure. We're just shot I of Gabe being fired. We're not 286 00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:12.839 too far removed from ht NET being announced. Um uh it um, yeah, 287 00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:17.279 I feel like this was you know that this may have actually screwed us 288 00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:18.759 over in some way, shape or form. And I'm just I have a 289 00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:23.119 vague recollection of it. Not not a specifical like, oh, we had 290 00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:26.119 a deal worked out with so and so, and then this video wire aired 291 00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:32.559 and no, nothing that's specific, just like this vague recollection of, Um, 292 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:38.920 this hurting something that yeah, like sid or was sid and carry were 293 00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:45.839 trying to some sort of deal they were trying to figure out. It was 294

00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:53.400 just very It was very Um it is literally just the the Brisco's cutting a 295 00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:59.880 probe on the edge of the fall as they shoot guns at um, watermelons 296 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:07.960 and other things. Well while yeah, and still so yeah, it's nice 297 00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:14.640 to say it. Um, you're not going to find this video wire online. 298 00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:22.599 Um and yeah, pulled pulled very quickly, so I which kind of 299 00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:26.640 shocks me that it made it to this DVD and to Battle of the Best 300 00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:33.160 DVD, the show that was the night before this. Um. So it's 301 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:37.720 very surprising to me that there it's on the DVDs, considering how quickly it 302 00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:45.039 feels like we took it offline. But here it is. Yep, Um, 303 00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:51.559 don't worry, there's more brisk goes. Later we see Claudio Castanoli eliminated 304 00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:56.920 by Brian Danielson and then he does a great heel turn with a big boot 305 00:28:56.000 --> 00:29:03.559 to the face on Danielson. The crowd flips their ship. Boo Claudio. 306 00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:08.400 Um, he gets a chair, he attacks Brian with the chair, and 307 00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:12.640 then Sugar Dad, Alex Payne and the rest of bring them on our student 308 00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:18.000 security make their way out and they separate the two, saving Danielsson from pure 309 00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:25.720 doom, not until Claudio throws grizz gut wrenches the ship out of Grizzly. 310 00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:37.720 Yeah, it's amazing to see Claudio with some hair. It's still kind of 311 00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:41.720 like one of those you're so used to him just being bald. Yeah, 312 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:45.119 like, oh there he has hair. Look at that. It's it's a 313 00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:52.279 the existence of hair and people. Was that a top free of conversation on 314 00:29:52.400 --> 00:30:00.440 Renee Picat's like the last podcast with Sam Roberts and they said they conclude was, 315 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:03.160 uh, you know how you meet people, that's kind of how they 316 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:08.559 it sticks in their head. Like they're discussing specifically meeting Triple H and whether 317 00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:12.559 he had hair when they met him or not. So we're Sam Roberts. 318 00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:18.559 It was like the long hair, you know, very very well conditioned locks, 319 00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:26.079 name meeting him with the more shaven, you know, closer cropped hair 320 00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:30.119 and which version sticks in your head. You know, We've talked about it 321 00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:37.079 with bj with Claudio, you know Bryce Bryce head hair when I'm at him 322 00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:51.680 for the first time. Yeah, Todd Sinclair is another one. Yeah, 323 00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:53.839 No, Daniels did not have hair when I met him for the first time. 324 00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:57.799 Oh, Chris didn't have a hair. Not really, it's the start 325 00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:07.839 of ring of honor. Seeing pictures of like people who you met with hair 326 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:11.960 without hair, like Pierce when I first met him, or Carrie or Carry. 327 00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:15.599 It would be another example. Seeing pictures of Carry with hair throws me 328 00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:22.640 for a loop. But yeah, Pierce had had the expoc bingg where he 329 00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:29.519 covered up with the bandana several years I mean indies when he was still living 330 00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:37.200 in the Midwest. M But we then go to the new at rowa Dressling 331 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:41.880 dot com commercial. You can get Bedlam in Beantown, which is actually called 332 00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:48.319 Bedlam in the Boston area. And Injustice you can also think that one actually 333 00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:56.119 took place in Boston. It would actually be in the center of the Boston 334 00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:01.000 area. Yeah. Injustice and Tag War two thousand and eight also available for 335 00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:06.359 you to purchase. Then we go back to the Briscoes and more Guns, 336 00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:10.880 and I said, nope, I think this is the part where they just 337 00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:21.279 punched each other and then I turned it off. I don't remember. Yeah, 338 00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:23.440 I mean, there's not much more to say. We've discussed the contents 339 00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:30.240 of what they provided for the video wire. Who who actually filmed this? 340 00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:35.160 Do you know the video wires? At this point it probably would have been 341 00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:40.519 Gabe himself. Gabe went down to the Briscoe farm. Oh, the Briscoes. 342 00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:45.960 I don't know. They might have I mean, that's small possibility where 343 00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:52.160 they filmed it themselves and nailed it to us. Camera looked nice, I 344 00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:54.440 mean, the quality of the footage looked nice. It wasn't like a two 345 00:32:54.440 --> 00:33:00.480 thousand and eight cell phone video or anything. Yeah, New Horizons coming to 346 00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:09.599 I pay per view very soon, so I think that was a July pay 347 00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:14.440 per view, So maybe it was actually fairly close to this show. Necro 348 00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:19.799 Butcher, he gets whacked by Austin Ais in a chair in the three Way 349 00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:28.319 with Jimmy Jacobs and Aries says the Eddie Guerrero spot. Necro turns around. 350 00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:31.680 He sees it's Jimmy with the chair and they kind of meander around and brawl. 351 00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:39.200 This looked like that was a good idea on paper, and there was 352 00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:44.559 just too

much standing around for it to really like. I think they wanted 353 00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:47.920 the fans to soak in the turn, but it felt like it was too 354 00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:57.200 long for me. I don't remember, like, I don't remember it day 355 00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:02.839 of what it was. It just it was like maybe ten or fifteen seconds 356 00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:13.239 too long of them just standing around with never like looking confused. What to 357 00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:19.000 do. I beat up Jimmy Jakes. He was deciding what to do that 358 00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:22.719 Austin Ais is sleeping over there. What do I do? I don't know. 359 00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:28.880 Let me ask the people, but I'm in the age of the Fall. 360 00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:34.960 I can't ask the people. I'm against it is he So that was 361 00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:39.599 the end of the video wire. Um, there's a ten minute long Jimmy 362 00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:50.760 Jacobs promo, which I thought this was really good. It was nine and 363 00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:58.199 a half minutes, um, but it was. It was very well executed 364 00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:05.920 and spoken. He talked about how this is the one year anniversary of Age 365 00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:10.920 of the Fall, that the Age of the Fall mission and the revolution begins 366 00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:15.599 as they go to Japan to defend the tag titles and then challenge for the 367 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:22.960 world title, and we all know titles equal power. So you know, 368 00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:28.719 you're we're seeing more of Jimmy Jacobs in the main event, which, as 369 00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:35.519 we know, we referenced it on Gabe's Book of Secrets. Gabe was tired 370 00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:38.800 of putting Jimmy Jacobs in the main event and realize that maybe it had been 371 00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:45.559 a little too much. Yes, let's have him main event this show. 372 00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:52.239 Yeah. Now, the prom was fine, It's just long because he covers 373 00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:59.159 like everything, everything, but the hey, let's talk about the entire month 374 00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:09.119 of September right now. Yeah. Um, I did pop because for Project 375 00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:16.599 one sixty one, like that was six one, nobody called it one sixty 376 00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:21.880 one on at six one. Here's why I refer to it as one sixty 377 00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:27.880 one because really what it says Project one sixty one. Well, no that, 378 00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:32.760 and so when I go to the Cleveland Airport to fly out for that 379 00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:38.639 show, the exit that you take to get to the road that the airport's 380 00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:46.400 on, Snow Road, is Exit one sixty one. Gotcha. So every 381 00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:52.039 time I hear Project one sixty one, which is really Project one sixty one, 382 00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:57.679 I think of the exit and I think of that trip. So I 383 00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:01.039 there was just so much to cover because it's basically a history of the age 384 00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:05.320 of the Fall. It's a history of the age of the Fall, but 385 00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:07.880 that it's also okay, well, now we got to talk about both japan 386 00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:09.679 shows. We need to talk about the pay per view that's Pink Film, 387 00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:13.519 and then we get back and we need to talk about the show at the 388 00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:17.320 arena. Like there's four things to be tries to dump into one ten minute 389 00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:23.719 promo, so you know, well, it's fine, yeah, I mean 390 00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:29.679 for a bonus promo whatever, like, yeah, it's it's content filler on 391 00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:38.199 a a relatively short show. It's not. Yeah, it is a three 392 00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:45.760 hour It is a three hour timeline because it's basically complete entrances and exits and 393 00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:52.639 a ten minute which we'll get to Brian Danielson UM media scrum for lack of 394 00:37:52.239 --> 00:38:00.880 basically, so there's also a bonus dark match it's on this this year, 395 00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:07.800 which features some very interesting things, and I learned some stuff about a couple 396 00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:15.039 of these competitors here. Um, So, first of all, we have 397 00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:21.159 this dark match. This is in the bonus features on the DVD. It 398 00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:27.199 is Team No Limit of somebody called Tetsuya Nito you may have heard of him 399 00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:31.679 and his partner Yuji Ro who you may have heard of as Yujiro Takahashi, 400 00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:40.519 and they're gonna take on the team of Genba Hiriya Nagi and for a venerable 401 00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:47.320 red ass Kataro Suzuki, And I feel like, if your last name is 402 00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:54.360 Suzuki, you have to be a real just shooter boy like you gotta have 403 00:38:54.440 --> 00:39:01.599 a mean streak here, Usuki, do you know anybody named Suzuki that isn't 404 00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:12.679 just like not personally now. I have no idea if there's a relation between 405 00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:17.760 Qataro and Manoro. I don't think there is. But there's no commentary on 406 00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:24.800 this match. The lights are up, everybody's walking in, and I learned 407 00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:37.400 that Nito and Ugero were in DNA yep for a cup of coffee. Yeah, 408 00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:42.880 so that was one of those. And they're obviously representing New Japan here, 409 00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:52.119 which is interesting. But then I just went TNA, huh the more 410 00:39:52.199 --> 00:40:00.760 you know, Okada was there, Tanahashi was there. How it managed to 411 00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:05.320 do nothing with these people and they were there as part of the World X

412 00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:09.360 Cup. Is that what it was? I didn't look specifically, I just 413 00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:15.360 kind of reading around them on the internet. I'm just I'm trying to recollect 414 00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:16.880 off top of if that's what it was, I'd have to look. I 415 00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:20.559 may look in a second, but that's what I remember. That's what I 416 00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:28.280 was thinking. Um. Obviously, like and we know Quitaro Suzuki from Noah 417 00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:34.119 and he's been around for ages. He's you know, kind of like the 418 00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:38.480 the solid hand in the junior division. Um. You know, I had 419 00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:47.119 a team with Ricky Marvin for a while. Um, but I'm not super 420 00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:57.719 familiar with Harry and Agi. Um yeah, that's just ask pain about him. 421 00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:02.119 I will. It was not the No Limit X Cup. It was 422 00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:07.920 just random fucking matches in two thousand and nine, including US. I do 423 00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:12.679 remember this Steve, he was in the cage match at Lockdown through it with 424 00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:17.079 the machine guns in Lax. Yeah, I do remember that because I actually 425 00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:25.079 watched that on Impact sixty or whatever it was they anymore, but yeah, 426 00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:30.800 they did, like a one of the specials might have been I'll kill a 427 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:35.239 cage match specials or whatever, and I remember watching that Machine Guns Lax and 428 00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:40.559 Team No Limit. Well, they have a solid dark match. Obviously, 429 00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:47.239 there's nothing really that they're gonna do that, um makes this like a must 430 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:52.719 see or anything. But it's cool to see like early NIGHTO and you Jero 431 00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:58.880 still just about the same, and you get to see some nice like peel 432 00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:05.000 work, you know. The attack at the start was nice. Um. 433 00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:07.400 And it's one of those things where it's like, you could have this is 434 00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:13.199 a kind of match that could have used commentary to explain to the uh, 435 00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:16.719 the audience, you know, the DVD product buying audience of what the fuck 436 00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:21.920 was going on here and who these people were. Um, but it's a 437 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:30.599 nice little you know, excuse me trying to a nice little bonus. Yeah, 438 00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:35.440 I mean, and even like down to the finisher, you could clearly 439 00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:43.519 see who is being showcased here. Uh. Nujuro hits a really nice spinebuster. 440 00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:49.960 U Suzuki grabs him and launches him into the crowd. Uh Nito Nujuro, 441 00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:57.199 then uh puts Suzuki out of the building and

Team No Limit have the 442 00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:02.320 two to one advantage. NATO heads. It's a beautiful corkscrew moon Salt and 443 00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:12.480 pins here and Nagium at eleven minutes twenty seven seconds. I don't know, 444 00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:15.440 Like, to me, Nito was the star of this match. You could 445 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:24.519 see there was something there and very clearly we weren't wrong. Yes, he 446 00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:30.519 he actually took off his T shirt for this match. Yeah, yeah, 447 00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:37.440 I think that's the gauge nowadays of Naito's investment in a match, if he 448 00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:40.639 takes off his shirt forward. That's actually a fair point. I never really 449 00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:50.599 thought about that. I'm trying to think. I watched him in Okada from 450 00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:55.880 a bigger show. It was the finals of the New Japan Cup. I 451 00:43:55.920 --> 00:44:01.199 think he did have his T shirt off. I can just go watch one 452 00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:07.880 of the six man eight man tags and yeah, yeah, I don't care. 453 00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:10.800 But dude, looking at this the impact thing here, I'm like going 454 00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:14.840 down this lane of like, I don't remember this ship, I don't remember 455 00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:22.519 lethal consequences. They've got Xavier Woods and Jay Legal that's right, or that 456 00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:29.760 Davari was named Abdul Bashir. I remember that? Or try do you remember 457 00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:37.880 Trevor Murdoch's name? Uh, I try to throw a holiday. Oh wow, 458 00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:42.599 I would have never gotten that one. Not at all, good Lord, 459 00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:49.519 not at all. That's gotta be a Russo thing. Or that Naido 460 00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:52.800 and your wrestled Kevin Nash and a handicapped match. They went two minutes. 461 00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:01.639 You look like that's the thing. I'm looking at all these matches like, 462 00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:05.480 oh, that sounds cool. Oh, the machine guns and no Limit got 463 00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:14.519 four minutes. That sounds cool, excepting at four minutes, Bro, nobody 464 00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:20.079 wants to see these guys for four minutes. I meant the three way steel 465 00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:22.840 cage match got all of twelve, got twelve on pay per views, so 466 00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:27.480 that's pretty good. Anyway, Odd to the main show, Well, the 467 00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:30.400 main show it is is uh, it's starting out. We see the fans 468 00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:36.800 entering in different Ariaki. Uh. They get to walk right by the Noah 469 00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:42.719 Bus, which is pretty cool. Um. And I would assume this would 470 00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:49.199 just be considered the Japanese version of the Lex Express, sure or the Nightmare 471 00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:53.559 Express or Big Show

Bus. You know, it's on the drive to Body 472 00:45:53.639 --> 00:46:00.519 Slam Moreshila, Yes, yes, exactly. Um. Then, speaking of 473 00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:07.400 Morishima, we go to Sweet and Sour Larry Sweeney and Davy Richards and their 474 00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:14.119 backstage, and boy, they pissed off about last night. Sweeney is so 475 00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:20.159 furious with the Briscoes. They've of course turned down his offer to join Sweet 476 00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:28.320 and Sour inc. And thus his acquaintance with Ghoshia Zaki pays off, as 477 00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:32.440 he has recruited to Keshi Morishima, the former Ring of Honor world champion, 478 00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:39.480 to team with Davy Richards to take on the Briscoes later this evening. Sweeney 479 00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:45.079 offering the brisco is a spot things I did not remember ever happening. I 480 00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:55.760 actually remembered it, and I want to say it was in like that maybe 481 00:46:55.760 --> 00:47:00.000 the Tag Wars show. No, it was the night before it was, 482 00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:06.360 That's why it wasn't the night before this. But I feel like it had 483 00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:09.880 been an ongoing thing. No, no, no, not not at all. 484 00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:14.559 It is literally just like I think it was just something done for this 485 00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:27.199 weekend here huh so at Battle of the Best, I guess then just yeah, 486 00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:30.920 I thought there was more to it than that. Maybe I'm wrong. 487 00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:32.119 I don't think it. I don't think it was something of substance. I 488 00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:36.360 think it was just a through line for the weekend of In these two shows, 489 00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:43.320 well we go from from the announcement of Moreshima and Richards versus the Briscoes, 490 00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:47.400 later the Bobby Cruise. He's in the ring and he announces that tonight 491 00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:52.719 working together, there are five wrestling promotions. Ring of Honor, Pro Wrestling, 492 00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:58.719 Noah DDT, the Kent's k Office, and New Japan Pro Wrestling. 493 00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:05.440 He gets into hyping up the main event match and that's the Ring of Hounter 494 00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:10.840 World Title Nigel and Jimmy Jacobs, when Austin Aris interrupts and he wants a 495 00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:16.599 fight with Tyler Black. Right now, real quick, you notice what name 496 00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:22.360 is missing from that list? Yes, that'll be dragon Gate. And did 497 00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:24.320 you do it? I suggested, And look at the lineup for Battle of 498 00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:28.960 the Best yep. And what was it all? Well, it was all 499 00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:37.480 over that show dragon Gate exactly politics of Japanese wrestling right here. And you 500 00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:43.119 go look at the two japan shows from the previous year and there is both 501 00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:46.480 dragon Gate and Noah talent on the show. There is you know, some 502 00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:52.239 of our other events we did Borshema versus Shingo for the Ring of Honor title, 503 00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:59.000 you know, in America, in America. But by this weekend, 504 00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:05.199 I think it's very evident by the hard delineation of no dragon Gate Town on 505 00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:08.840 this show and no anyone else on that all the best that there was no 506 00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:17.199 working together this time around. Yeah. Um, without knowing like the specifics 507 00:49:17.239 --> 00:49:23.679 of the politics involved, it's just I imagine it's kind of like, you 508 00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:29.079 know, the Forbidden Door thing, where you know, oh, so and 509 00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:34.639 so is gonna you know, come into aw but you know, now it's 510 00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:40.280 like there's but nobody from Ring of Honor was coming to a w until Tony 511 00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:50.159 saved the day and then that opened up their access. It felt like very 512 00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:55.000 much dragon Gate was not willing to go walk through the pro Wrestling Noah Forbidden 513 00:49:55.039 --> 00:50:00.559 Door and progresling Noah had said, yeah, we're gonna stay on our side 514 00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:05.000 of the door. Yeah. It's one of those things I like to my 515 00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:09.639 recollection that was never it was more cordial, you know, a relationship. 516 00:50:10.840 --> 00:50:17.639 Uh. But yeah, by this point, obviously there was not any two 517 00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:24.320 very distinct shows, you know, which to me I think is ideal, 518 00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:31.880 um in the long run, where you have two very different shows in Japan. 519 00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:35.679 But yeah, when I think, well, that's why I think made 520 00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:37.599 it nice with this show with what probably said, I guess the new he 521 00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:43.039 says, New Japan. I mean we're being generous. One team, it's 522 00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:47.079 what one team from a dark match was from New Japan. But still it's 523 00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:50.760 you know, it's it's it was a cool thing, and I don't think, 524 00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:55.079 yeah that it's very cool that that that that's what happened, especially when 525 00:50:55.079 --> 00:51:01.320 you get to the you know that that tag match. Um yeah, the 526 00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:06.519 mid the midway of the show, the tag match, that's what it's really 527 00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:12.960 noticeable. Yep. Um so Aris is in the ring. He wants Tyler 528 00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:16.559 Black, he wants to fight. And I know, like I've made fun 529 00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:23.199 of Austinaries and deservedly so on this show in the past, and I'm not 530 00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:30.000 a

huge Tyler Black slash seth Rollins fan in the ring or from a personality 531 00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:38.679 standpoint, uh you know, character personality. I thought this was like super 532 00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:45.159 disappointing, and it just adds to the list of super disappointing matches that they 533 00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:52.760 had together. I don't I don't think they had any chemistry. And that's 534 00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:59.320 not to take away from the individual performers here. It's just they were on 535 00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:15.480 two different pages. I think, Um, I'm just trying to think, 536 00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:17.920 like I just you know, off the We've watched a couple of the matches, 537 00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:22.400 you know, in doing this, we watched the sixty minute draw. 538 00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:29.760 We watched the sixty minute draw in the snow. Yeah, I graduated college. 539 00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:37.679 I feel like their first time ever having a singles match funck was that 540 00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:45.920 well the Age of Insanity as well. Yeah, but I feel like their 541 00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:53.079 first match was like a good showing, and I feel like the title change 542 00:52:53.880 --> 00:53:01.559 when Tyler finally beat him was a good showing. But yeah, it's it's 543 00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:07.039 definitely a feeling of like they're wanting more, or that they both have more 544 00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:17.320 in them. Yeah, and it's almost like they're they just couldn't meet in 545 00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:22.800 the middle to make the make the sandwich, I guess, you know, 546 00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:30.599 like Har's wanted you know, where were vegans put on a sandwich? And 547 00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:37.960 Tyler was like, give me a burger. M h, I don't know. 548 00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:43.400 Uh. This was a prime example of me just not being able to 549 00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:50.360 get into a match. And even it had it had a more brawl type 550 00:53:50.880 --> 00:54:00.559 element, and even that felt wonky. Yeah, it's just hey, yeah, 551 00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:05.840 there's something that just doesn't click yeah with with them in this one. 552 00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:12.159 Uh. And and I think and I think it's because a part of me 553 00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:16.079 that feels this is something that kind of permeates the whole card is that. 554 00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:22.760 And this might be playing to the idea that it is a DVD product, 555 00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:28.840 that there is a continuing story, um, going across to all these shows, 556 00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:36.639 but it feels there's a I think a disconnect between in the matches that 557 00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:44.400 are playing off of the ongoing stories of bringing them honor and the matches that 558 00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:47.159 are just here's the fucking match, go out there and like do cool shit, 559 00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:52.599 uh and entertaining stuff. Um. I feel like there's a disconnect too 560 00:54:52.719 --> 00:55:00.719 with the audience unmatches like this the main events even U there's just a disconnect 561 00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:07.199 between the fans and because it's not the usual audience, you know, this 562 00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:15.840 is the reactions yeah yeah. Um. Definitely the one thing too with Tyler 563 00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:22.440 in this match, he's not doing the flashy stuff that he is known for 564 00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:27.920 at this point. Um, he's doing a lot more like slow plotting stomps 565 00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:37.480 and choke and chokes and kicks and um he's a hero. Yeah. I 566 00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:42.320 mean, it's it's not that flash she Tyler Black that we we yet and 567 00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:50.840 eventually aries is more kind of just no, he's not entering Age of the 568 00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:55.119 Fall, but he's entering Age of the Fall adjacent. He's in the Age 569 00:55:55.159 --> 00:55:59.760 of the Fall area. I don't know, but I mean, yeah, 570 00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:04.760 as we're heading towards the end of the year and there's in whatever the fuck 571 00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:07.599 was going on, you know, where Gabe was headed versus where Adam would 572 00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:12.920 take it, like, um, but I think there's a there is an 573 00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:16.000 intensity to their work and what they do, Like in their brawling. You 574 00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:22.440 know, it's not the walk and talk fight, you know that it's just 575 00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:28.119 kind of tedious and boring. Like there there there is intensity to what they 576 00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:32.519 do, like there is that that that conveying that genuine feeling of dislike for 577 00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:38.639 each other. And I would say that like, as this match wraps up, 578 00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:46.239 the finish was actually pretty cool too, um, but I don't think 579 00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:52.800 it. I think it would have gotten a greater reaction somewhere else. Well. 580 00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:57.440 I think that's like I said, that's uh, just take what you 581 00:56:57.559 --> 00:57:01.800 that statement and blanket it over so much out if it would have been you 582 00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:07.199 know, the hammer, the Manhattan Center or Frontier Field House or you know 583 00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:13.519 the Case Gym or Mount Government County Fairgommery County Fair Round. That's what I 584 00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:16.679 was going with. Next it would have been. It would have been a 585 00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:20.400 very different vendor. You need to go check it out because I was told 586 00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:24.400 the rebuilding I have that's a four hour drive. I don't care. Do 587 00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:29.880 it for the do it for the people, Yes, the people? All 588 00:57:29.960 --> 00:57:34.280 right, maybe one day in the next couple

of weeks I had an excuse 589 00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:37.440 to drive out that way, be like, I'm gonna anybody, We're gonna 590 00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:42.840 riding for toys there you go, anybody want to ride and dating with me? 591 00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:45.679 No, I just want to take a picture of a parking lot. 592 00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:52.599 Yeah. Uh well, I don't think people realize we'll get some Shatocks Pizza. 593 00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:57.840 Shout out to Shatocks Pizza, best pizza in Ohio, even though security 594 00:57:57.880 --> 00:58:02.360 Sam hates it. Um. Maybe I'll take him to lunch on there, 595 00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:07.800 but uh no, in all serious reason to go to Dayton. Go see 596 00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:13.519 Sam see salmon truck. I know the truck is out of Dayton, right, 597 00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:16.760 I don't know where he is now, I forget anyways, shouldn't break 598 00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:22.760 back superlex into the ieed Brainbuster gets to count, Tyler gets to his feet 599 00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:28.880 looking triumphant and uh. Right before that, Aries sets up for a four 600 00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:36.039 or fifty splash Sunset flipped out of the corner kick of death. Brainbuster followed 601 00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:42.920 with the last chancery and Tyler black taps out. All of this eleven minutes 602 00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:45.239 five seconds. Yes, there was a big crammed out. I mean, 603 00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:49.159 eleven minutes is a good time, but they crammed out. They did. 604 00:58:49.480 --> 00:58:54.639 They maximize those eleven minutes as well, and it did make like you know, 605 00:58:54.679 --> 00:58:59.440 watch watch it, and I had a focused on Haries watching this match, 606 00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:02.679 and part because his hair was glorious. This era of Marri's hair. 607 00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:07.800 Since we've been talking about hair today, this era of Ari's hair was glorious 608 00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:10.480 looking. I was very envious of. You know, I wish my hair 609 00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:15.159 looked like that when it grew long, instead of duct tailing up and looking 610 00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:22.159 stupid. But how who the malay would be great? Now I had one, 611 00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:24.559 I have like a fifth grade Now that's a rat tail. I think 612 00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:31.119 that picture, I think fifth grade pictures. I'll send you the uh I 613 00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:37.760 think I'll think you should post it on the internet on Paton. Yeah, 614 00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:49.039 uh see nice. The explosiveness of aries was just something that jumped off the 615 00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:52.039 screen at me, you know, and and it's and it's a little things 616 00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:55.679 like if I compare and contracts, it's like, okay, Ari's doing the 617 00:59:55.800 --> 01:00:02.079 drop kick has this explosiveness to it. Conversely, Tyler and his I was 618 01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:07.800 just called the stompy stomp elbow has none and it never did. And it 619 01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:12.360 was just one of those things that it's just like, I love the idea 620 01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:14.760 of like this because it's you know, one get the crowd engaged with the 621 01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:19.639 stomp, stop stomp before he takes off runs. But it was just always 622 01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:24.760 that like slow down and right before he hit the elbow as suppose like jumping 623 01:00:24.760 --> 01:00:29.440 into it or something like that. And I was just like, those are 624 01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:32.079 my contrast of the two, like the way areas does that dropkake versus the 625 01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:37.159 way til it does that elbow of the way somebody can just explode out. 626 01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:46.119 It's it's noticeable too, because the areas that we would see about two years 627 01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:54.079 later, that explosiveness was h well, how shall I say, well, 628 01:00:54.119 --> 01:01:00.480 now you can find that explosiveness was hears no, but it was but yes, 629 01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:07.199 but it was a choice. It wasn't a I can't do it anymore 630 01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:08.840 or I don't know how to do it. It was a choice, a 631 01:01:08.920 --> 01:01:14.960 character choice for a better or worse however you whether they you know, however 632 01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:16.760 you look at it, and I think I look back on it more sympathetically 633 01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:23.039 now than I did living in it. Understanding the whys and how like why 634 01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:28.760 it was being done. Um yeah, I'm still trying to figure it out 635 01:01:28.760 --> 01:01:37.519 twelve years later. Well, it's the TV heel, the heel that was 636 01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:40.840 unlike any champion Healing of Honor had done. It was trying to do something 637 01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:44.360 different. I get it. Whether or not I agree that it liked it, 638 01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:46.679 it's a different story, but I understood it. I understand it better 639 01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:52.800 now than I Yeah, the thought process of yes, exactly exactly. Yeah, 640 01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:55.960 I see what you're saying. Um, but this, you know, 641 01:01:57.159 --> 01:02:01.960 as we're heading towards the kind of beginning of that arias that he'll areas at 642 01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:05.760 the end of two thousand and eight, and you know, the two thousand 643 01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:09.719 and nine like it was just like damn, how fun. It was just 644 01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:14.960 one of those reminders of how fucking good he was at this time frame. 645 01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:17.760 Even though it's you know, it's not their best match, it's not his 646 01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:23.679 best match, but you still see those things like fuck that that that's why 647 01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:28.760 he like you know, you questioned like why, and I don't think

you 648 01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:30.320 would have been happy no matter who want to find about a two thousand and 649 01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:32.880 four, there's nobody that couldn't to be eachhow that would have made you happy? 650 01:02:35.559 --> 01:02:38.079 But if these things that make you see that make you go, uh, 651 01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:46.440 that's why. Well, I I'm content with this one. Like they 652 01:02:46.480 --> 01:02:52.599 just I don't know, it's just two really talented wrestlers, but square peg 653 01:02:52.679 --> 01:02:57.119 roundhole for me. Um Jimmy Jakos runs in, he chokes out Arias with 654 01:02:57.239 --> 01:03:05.800 the end time and he's continuing his chaos that he's hyped up. Yes Scay 655 01:03:05.960 --> 01:03:09.800 yes, say yes Scay. Yes. They're suffering chaos, ugliness and mayhem 656 01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:17.440 here, and the crowd is very appreciative of what they're seeing. So I 657 01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:22.960 think it's it's it feel it's it's much more of that, like oh polite, 658 01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:30.199 like we're responding to this, but it doesn't feel engaged the way because 659 01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:37.360 they're more engaged in the match that they just saw than in the angle stuff 660 01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:40.519 here. Yeah, yeah, that that angle stuffs for the home audience. 661 01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:44.760 That's for the DVD audience. That's not for the people in attendance. I 662 01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:49.960 wonder how many of these people actually are DVD. Well, you gotta figure 663 01:03:49.960 --> 01:03:52.679 at this point we were, I mean, you gotta figure. It's minimal. 664 01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:57.639 Like we had our Japanese orders, you know, and we did our 665 01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:04.960 our whole sailing out to to to Taka Nakayama for free birds, um. 666 01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:09.079 But even still those weren't mass quantities. It would be like, you know, 667 01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:12.960 here's twenty five to you know, fifty copies of a single DVD. 668 01:04:14.679 --> 01:04:18.679 So it wasn't a huge you know, we didn't have a huge I mean, 669 01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:23.599 aside from Canadians, we didn't have a huge international buying audience anyway. 670 01:04:23.880 --> 01:04:31.599 It was most primarily US based Canada, I know, Australia, Australia, 671 01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:34.800 the UK. Yeah, but even then we had you know, wholesalers in 672 01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:43.800 the UK, you know, between a one merchandise mark Sloan, I felt 673 01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:47.280 there was one other one. But like you know, we had our whole 674 01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:51.320 salers that we that we dump too, but we had our own UK orders 675 01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:59.840 and some to Ireland and Germany. Trying to think if there's anywhere idea mean, 676 01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:01.360 sure these places I did not. There's plenty of places I did not 677 01:05:01.480 --> 01:05:04.760 send it or like, I can't tell you I ever shipped anything to anywhere 678 01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:09.960 in in Africa, you know, I don't remember ever shipping anything to like 679 01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:15.960 Prince Nanna and God no, no, he think he's now he's got bootleggers 680 01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:24.159 and hackers. Come on, you know it's true. Yeah, um, 681 01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:29.199 I don't know. You know. And we and we aired stuff. You 682 01:05:29.239 --> 01:05:34.039 know, we would send stuff over to to Samurai TV. Mhm, but 683 01:05:34.239 --> 01:05:39.880 anything that we would send would be you know, behind um, same thing 684 01:05:39.880 --> 01:05:45.719 with stuff we sent to like the Fight Network or or um. It was 685 01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:49.360 all behind. It wasn't you know, the most up to date events the 686 01:05:49.440 --> 01:05:55.719 wrestling channel in the UK Wrestling channel, I know, mm hmm, what 687 01:05:55.840 --> 01:06:00.079 a great come. I don't I don't know what the uh what the the 688 01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:04.719 cat is staring at the wall, just staring at the wall. So I 689 01:06:04.719 --> 01:06:10.800 don't know. I don't really know how engaged or up to date they would 690 01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:13.920 be with the angle side of things. That's I say. It was definitely 691 01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:18.760 just that was something played for the DVD buying audience to continue the storylines. 692 01:06:19.639 --> 01:06:26.519 Well, something not for the DVD audience and for the live crowd only comes 693 01:06:26.599 --> 01:06:31.360 next and it's Eddie Edwards with sweet and sour Larry Sweeney. And on paper, 694 01:06:31.559 --> 01:06:35.840 that sounds awesome until you realize the man on the opposite side of the 695 01:06:35.880 --> 01:06:45.159 ring is Kazushi Meamoto making his fourth appearance and Ring of Honor, one of 696 01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:51.039 which was never saw the light of day. I don't believe, Thank God, 697 01:06:51.519 --> 01:06:58.000 I don't think the great Kazushi versus Sean Davari saw the light of day. 698 01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:01.639 I know the Fourway did from Saint Paul, but I don't think the 699 01:07:01.639 --> 01:07:06.840 second match of us all wated there. I mean, this is just this 700 01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:14.719 is one of those things where I read the name on the card and I 701 01:07:14.840 --> 01:07:23.559 go, huh, all right, and you know obviously it was a part 702 01:07:23.599 --> 01:07:30.679 of Final Battle Steven three. Uh, you know, I I don't know 703 01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:39.840 this just he falls on the turnbuckle. He and Eddie seemed like they are 704 01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:46.800 in two different pages. Sweeney is yelling and you know, screaming at ringside. 705 01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:50.079 But for whatever reason, maybe it was the way the building was. 706 01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:58.719 You can't really pick up what he's saying well, and I was

trying to 707 01:07:58.719 --> 01:08:04.000 recall what the camera situation is here, because, as I'm sure you can 708 01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:09.400 see when it cuts to floor cameras, we're not using Jimmy's footage here, 709 01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:15.560 we're using the other floor camera, which I was trying to discuss it with 710 01:08:15.680 --> 01:08:26.399 pain of like did we use the Samurai TVN TV whatever footage for the DVD? 711 01:08:27.760 --> 01:08:30.319 Like we're trying to recall what reason did we not use our own footage 712 01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:34.319 there? Because then that essentially means we'd have to go back and walk, 713 01:08:34.399 --> 01:08:36.479 you know, you'd have to go back and check Battle the Best and see 714 01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:42.560 if it's the same situation there, Like why did we not use our own 715 01:08:42.600 --> 01:08:46.560 camera footage? If Jimmy was there filming, I'm sure, what's what's the 716 01:08:46.600 --> 01:08:53.399 reason for that? If the footage was bad, if something happened to it, 717 01:08:55.119 --> 01:09:00.680 I don't recall, but I would be curious to check Battle the Best 718 01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:04.560 and see if it's the same thing I'm there, if it was or if 719 01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:10.800 it was just the show specifically. Well, this one goes five minutes eight 720 01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:18.039 seconds. The two K one bomb is blocked by Miamoto. He hits a 721 01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:29.520 lariat on Eddie, Sweeney distracts him, and Larry accidentally hits Eddie and Miamoto 722 01:09:29.680 --> 01:09:35.359 scoots in there for a pin. I just wrote this was very man Yeah, 723 01:09:35.560 --> 01:09:41.159 I agreed, I just man. Um, the fans are at least 724 01:09:41.279 --> 01:09:46.640 into the post match where they're channing for Eddie to to go after Sweeney, 725 01:09:46.760 --> 01:09:50.479 but then they hug and they leave. I suppose some of that. I 726 01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:58.319 mean, there's a familiarity with Eddie from his time in Noah. But yeah, 727 01:09:58.319 --> 01:10:01.359 the match itself didn't really do anything for anybody. It wasn't the kind 728 01:10:01.399 --> 01:10:04.600 of match you can go to point back at in Eddie's Ring of Honor career. 729 01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:12.039 Is like anything that was important to his Ring of Honor career. Well, 730 01:10:12.079 --> 01:10:15.039 I feel like if you asked him so, I remember when you wrestled 731 01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:23.720 because of humian motto and differ Ariaki, Eddie will just go no no. 732 01:10:24.439 --> 01:10:31.159 Must have been good though. Um. Up next is the Brian Danielson promotion 733 01:10:31.359 --> 01:10:39.159 Eventum, he you know, puts over Ring of Honor and what he and 734 01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:45.800 Ring of Honor have achieved together and individually. Um, He's dreamt of winning 735 01:10:45.800 --> 01:10:53.479 a championship in Japan, which he has not done up until tonight, and 736 01:10:54.279 --> 01:10:58.960 he's gunning for Connor Maru and the Junior heavyweight title and Proreus I know tonight 737 01:10:59.239 --> 01:11:09.119 on the card and I I thought he won like some date him and him 738 01:11:09.159 --> 01:11:14.279 and Chris Daniels had the nude had the junior titles. Yeah for n zero 739 01:11:14.479 --> 01:11:16.119 Yeah, oh, I would saying I was thinking it's zero one. But 740 01:11:16.199 --> 01:11:18.840 yeah it was a new Japan. Yeah, sure, yeah, they were 741 01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:23.439 the I They were i WGP Junior Heavyweight Taggy champs in two thousand and four. 742 01:11:24.279 --> 01:11:27.840 Technically I guess with curry Man, not Chris Daniels. But yes, 743 01:11:28.359 --> 01:11:32.199 two totally separate people, two totally separate people, So we'll just go with 744 01:11:32.239 --> 01:11:35.399 it. But my assumption immediately my brain just went, oh he means singles 745 01:11:35.399 --> 01:11:41.479 titles. Yeah, and technically Brian Danilson didn't win that belt. American Dragon 746 01:11:41.560 --> 01:11:45.199 did. That's right, that's right, Um, completely different people, even 747 01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:49.600 though at this point he did not have a mask. I'm i'm I've heard 748 01:11:49.640 --> 01:12:00.319 that Curryman is actually um any confirmation I heard that Curryman was Venom from t 749 01:12:00.600 --> 01:12:06.960 Way Oh interesting, Yeah, I don't know, that is my other The 750 01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:13.239 other room I heard was Joey abs Ah, that's a good one. M 751 01:12:14.039 --> 01:12:23.439 Venom was actually uh Paul Diamond, Okay, so gotcha. Um, So 752 01:12:23.479 --> 01:12:28.520 we've got uh the Daniel something that's kind of wrapped up. Um, the 753 01:12:28.560 --> 01:12:33.720 match itself will get too later, but pack a lunch and uh right now, 754 01:12:35.199 --> 01:12:38.960 right now, I would say, is the time that you can start 755 01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:43.479 putting on your helmet, buckling your seat belt and getting ready. As this 756 01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:50.039 show takes off into the stratosphere, We've got Tigi Morey making his ROH debut 757 01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:59.239 taking on al Jenarico, and Uh, I'm gonna be honest here this Uh, 758 01:12:59.279 --> 01:13:05.600 this one is quite the show. It was chaos like in the best 759 01:13:05.640 --> 01:13:14.560 way. This is If you're a big proponent of selling, change the channel, 760 01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:17.560 change the channel. This match is not for you. If you're a 761 01:13:17.560 --> 01:13:24.239 big fan of fucking craziness and just two wrestlers going balls to the wall for 762 01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:29.439 ten minutes or whatever it is, this match is for you. Yeah, 763 01:13:29.479 --> 01:13:32.520 this is This is one of those ones where I just like, a couple 764 01:13:32.600 --> 01:13:35.039 of minutes in, I go, oh, it's gonna be one of those 765 01:13:35.119 --> 01:13:43.159 all right,

yeah, and then I I'm able to enjoy both like this 766 01:13:43.199 --> 01:13:46.800 style of match and then a match where there's a lot of selling and psychology 767 01:13:46.960 --> 01:13:56.479 and crowd work and there's a very big delineation between the two and I do 768 01:13:56.600 --> 01:14:00.279 feel like there are people that would see this match and oh no those ships. 769 01:14:01.159 --> 01:14:03.439 Yeah, but then there's other people that would sit there and go, 770 01:14:03.760 --> 01:14:08.159 wow, this is awesome. I want to see more of this. Yes, 771 01:14:08.399 --> 01:14:12.840 and both of those are okay, correct, both of those are acceptable 772 01:14:12.880 --> 01:14:17.119 responses the crowd on hand, this is the first match that they really come 773 01:14:17.199 --> 01:14:23.600 up for. Yeah, they're vocal. They're very vocal. So you know, 774 01:14:24.479 --> 01:14:28.479 I remember once upon a time people just had this assumption that, oh, 775 01:14:28.600 --> 01:14:33.680 Japanese audiences are are quiet and respectful, and they just now, I'm 776 01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:40.199 motherfucker, what's the what's the Twitter saying? Tell me you've tell me you've 777 01:14:40.239 --> 01:14:44.439 never watched something without telling me you've never watched it. Yeah, yeah, 778 01:14:44.520 --> 01:14:50.520 damn you out yourself as a lab label. Yeah, draping that label on 779 01:14:50.760 --> 01:14:56.680 Japanese professional wrestling audiences right there. Um, this this crib, This is 780 01:14:56.720 --> 01:15:00.520 the match that really like gets them fired up. If anything, I think 781 01:15:01.359 --> 01:15:09.079 the one thing I've always taken away from Japanese crowds is that their physical reactions 782 01:15:10.319 --> 01:15:15.239 as opposed to vocal they're physical, like, you know, hands in the 783 01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:19.039 air and hands on their head. They do that more than American fans do. 784 01:15:19.119 --> 01:15:24.479 American fans will yell and chant, and you know, have these organized 785 01:15:24.720 --> 01:15:30.600 more. I won't say organic chants, but like you know, the this 786 01:15:30.880 --> 01:15:38.720 is awesome or fight forever or whatever other goofy are organic anymore? No, 787 01:15:39.159 --> 01:15:45.239 they just they're there. But I'm saying in Japan the reaction is more organic. 788 01:15:45.319 --> 01:15:51.159 Where it's it feels natural and real and authentic. Fight forever. Please 789 01:15:51.199 --> 01:15:59.039 don't stop, you know, go down the list. The American fans chant 790 01:15:59.279 --> 01:16:06.520 and a match that's m yes, yeah, Like did you have to earn 791 01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:13.239 it from the Japanese fans. American fans are willing to just kind of chant 792 01:16:13.279 --> 01:16:16.920 along because it's a thing to do. It's a shiny object to chase. 793 01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:23.119 Yes. Yeah, And they said a low bar and the bar switches depending 794 01:16:23.119 --> 01:16:27.039 on who's in the ring. Yeah, or you still got it. That's 795 01:16:27.039 --> 01:16:30.520 another one that I absolutely hate. I think that's the one I hate the 796 01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:38.920 most. Yeah, you still no motherfucker? He never lost it, that's 797 01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:44.159 right, or she never lost it? Like just stop think think you're insulting 798 01:16:44.239 --> 01:16:49.159 them. Like if you get in the ring and you start bumping and doing 799 01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:56.800 your heel stuff and then I go, you still got it? No, 800 01:16:57.359 --> 01:17:01.479 that means you lost it. At some point and you sucked. I thought 801 01:17:01.479 --> 01:17:08.279 I lost it, yeah, and then you were found again. This crab. 802 01:17:09.279 --> 01:17:14.560 This match match awesome. Yeah, gives us a crowd plenty of excitement 803 01:17:14.680 --> 01:17:23.159 and action and dives and fun stuff. I will tell you there's one point 804 01:17:23.159 --> 01:17:32.479 in this match where I reacted audibly here in my office when ishi Mori does 805 01:17:32.520 --> 01:17:41.840 the running head scissors and Jenercho goes to the floor. Then ishi Mori does 806 01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:47.479 the moon salt press and then a handspring like back kick with just there's like 807 01:17:47.520 --> 01:17:59.279 a ferociousness behind those kicks and the crowd is completely insane at this point. 808 01:18:00.199 --> 01:18:10.439 Um. Then I the female contingent for Isshimori, Yeah, like is so 809 01:18:10.760 --> 01:18:17.199 loud and I mean think of Isshimori. Now he's fucking jacked here, not 810 01:18:17.359 --> 01:18:27.439 as jacked but shredded like he's all abs. But it's that very vocal, 811 01:18:27.680 --> 01:18:31.479 very loud, high pitch like everything for that Isshimori like does he walks and 812 01:18:31.560 --> 01:18:38.199 he gets that he like there's so much energy behind you know, Isshimori from 813 01:18:38.199 --> 01:18:43.359 this crowd. But you know Jenerico has his share of of love as well. 814 01:18:43.439 --> 01:18:47.760 But that is a so much louder than that. Fishimoi the pump handle 815 01:18:47.840 --> 01:18:55.720 meets you know who driver. They got the hot to count Eric a humongous 816 01:18:55.840 --> 01:19:01.600 reaction. Um. These guys bust out literally everything you could think of, 817 01:19:02.239 --> 01:19:08.119 and the crowd just gets more and more into it as the match comes to 818 01:19:08.159 --> 01:19:13.760 a close. UM. Twelve minutes, twenty two seconds. Ishi more blocks 819 01:19:13.800 --> 01:19:18.359 the turnbuckle brainbuster uh, and he hits a top probe tornado DDT, which 820 01:19:18.520 --> 01:19:28.840 was fucking awesome, nasty, nasty, and then Ed Generico gets the two 821 01:19:28.920 --> 01:19:33.039 count from a Yakuza kick um, which someone say that it wasn't quit. 822 01:19:33.520 --> 01:19:38.199 I don't think it was quite a hell of a kick yet, um. 823 01:19:38.479

--> 01:19:42.760 And then was a heck of a kick at this point. Yeah, Ishi 824 01:19:42.840 --> 01:19:48.039 Mori comes back with a two count from the crucifix driver and then he does 825 01:19:48.039 --> 01:19:57.880 the hammerlock cradle DDT and his uh patented elbow. This is the superstar elbow. 826 01:19:59.119 --> 01:20:04.960 Um, thank you, Mary Catherine Gallagher and he she Morey picks up 827 01:20:04.960 --> 01:20:10.640 the win here twelve minutes, twenty two seconds. Um, I just gave 828 01:20:10.720 --> 01:20:17.039 you a terrible idea for an SNL S GETT meeting of the Gallaghers. Oh 829 01:20:17.199 --> 01:20:26.800 yeah, Gallagher Gallagher shameless and Mary Catherine, Yeah, she's like the distant 830 01:20:26.880 --> 01:20:30.000 cousin. This could be a new show for could be a new show or 831 01:20:30.239 --> 01:20:35.600 Mary Catherine Gallagher comes in and she marries Frank and then they realized they were 832 01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:45.039 related, and Hi Jinks erupts. I feel like, did Yeah, that 833 01:20:45.079 --> 01:20:47.640 would be a thing that would happen to Frank. That would be a thing 834 01:20:47.680 --> 01:20:53.880 that would happen to Frank, but you know he's dead. So spoiler alert 835 01:20:53.920 --> 01:20:57.239 for a show that ended two years ago or whatever it was a year ago, 836 01:20:57.319 --> 01:21:03.000 I forget I missed that show. Yeah, I mean yes, so 837 01:21:03.399 --> 01:21:09.880 I love I love that the Hammerlock Cradle DDT thing and as a as a 838 01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:19.039 button and the Superstar elbow is a amazingly impressive thing to watch. But it's 839 01:21:19.159 --> 01:21:25.840 it's like the difference though between the the the Cradle DDT is the rock bottom 840 01:21:25.880 --> 01:21:32.279 and the Superstar elbow is the people's elbow. One is a much better finisher 841 01:21:32.399 --> 01:21:36.279 as a move. The other one is much more of a oh that's cool. 842 01:21:38.039 --> 01:21:43.560 Yeah. The Credible DDT is a far more impactful looking visual. The 843 01:21:43.680 --> 01:21:49.239 Superstar elbow is just really fucking cool looking. And that's I think the flashy 844 01:21:49.359 --> 01:21:56.000 junior heavyweight style that was in vogue at this point, especially in Noah, 845 01:21:56.119 --> 01:22:03.239 their junior's division was loaded loaded, mum, and it just gets it's gonna 846 01:22:03.239 --> 01:22:10.359 get even more loaded here shortly. But Ishi Moriy was somebody and and Mick 847 01:22:10.439 --> 01:22:16.239 Axel made this point um in his notes on the show that I think a 848 01:22:16.319 --> 01:22:21.760 lot of us wanted to see him get an extended Kenta Marefuji style run, 849 01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:28.319 and it just never worked out. I would have been fun, um, 850 01:22:28.359 --> 01:22:31.000 I mean, think of the roster like obviously Jennerico, but I think him 851 01:22:31.039 --> 01:22:38.319 and Davy would have been fun. Him and the partner versus the briscos

mhm 852 01:22:39.319 --> 01:22:44.760 him and go just to see what that would look like. Yeah, h 853 01:22:45.159 --> 01:22:50.279 Ishi Mori and Roddy Mori and a motivated aries. I mean, you could 854 01:22:50.279 --> 01:22:57.600 go on and on and on, but nevertheless we have to go on and 855 01:22:57.600 --> 01:23:00.600 on. Ladies, it's time to get those summer looks ready, and you 856 01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:03.680 can do it with XO Mandy Sue, an online clothing boutique designed for young 857 01:23:03.720 --> 01:23:10.039 women who love beachy fields and effortless style. Get your perfect summer look today 858 01:23:10.239 --> 01:23:15.640 at xomandy Sue dot com or guys direct your lady there, or pick out 859 01:23:15.680 --> 01:23:19.399 something ice for xomandysou dot com. And if you order from XO Mandy su 860 01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:26.439 use the promo code Amanda P twenty for twenty percent off any purchase with no 861 01:23:26.760 --> 01:23:31.840 minimum. 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And we had to a tag 870 01:24:09.359 --> 01:24:15.199 team match where Davy Richards and to catch you more Ashima unite with Larry Sweeney 871 01:24:15.279 --> 01:24:23.199 at ringside to take on Jay and Mark Briscoe and so and I'm right. 872 01:24:23.319 --> 01:24:29.920 It was Death before Dishonor where Sweeney offered to sign the Briscoes. Well, 873 01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:33.199 you said tag Wars, Yeah, I was wrong. On Tag Wars. 874 01:24:33.239 --> 01:24:41.239 It was Death Supports Honor. It was the second night when it started in 875 01:24:41.359 --> 01:24:48.079 Philly because it was right after Siddell had been sold up the River. Gotcha, 876 01:24:48.720 --> 01:24:51.399 you had me looking at You had me looking to see if Fishimore went 877 01:24:51.479 --> 01:24:56.760 Isshue Moore main done in the States real quick. I mean that roster. 878 01:24:57.960 --> 01:25:02.720 He had a few, uh few matches in the GW GFW you know Impact 879 01:25:02.760 --> 01:25:12.800 World. Oh yeah, in twenty seventeen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 880 01:25:12.800 --> 01:25:15.239 it's only his only Ring of Honor interaction after this was the was from the 881 01:25:15.279 --> 01:25:19.680 g One Super Garden. Mm hmm, yep. That was the first time 882 01:25:19.720 --> 01:25:24.960 I got to see him in person, and he just had a good man 883 01:25:25.039 --> 01:25:29.560 had a pretty fun match with ale Xane Um with during the Super Juniors. 884 01:25:30.119 --> 01:25:32.640 I'd like two or three shows behind on the Super Juniors as at the time 885 01:25:32.640 --> 01:25:35.319 we're taping this, but he was, you know, he did the good 886 01:25:35.319 --> 01:25:39.880 match with Alexane on there that I saw. I haven't seen any of it 887 01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:45.279 yet, but how is uh, how is Desperado watch? You didn't Desperado 888 01:25:45.279 --> 01:25:49.399 big thumbs up? Just in general, you just stuff has been really good 889 01:25:49.399 --> 01:25:55.600 for the for the tournaments, so I recommend, I mean you know me 890 01:25:56.399 --> 01:26:08.680 uh and and old utes uh very you people over this period of time. 891 01:26:08.720 --> 01:26:14.720 I mean, I remember when he was driving Cleveland for AIW and just buy 892 01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:23.279 himself in the car hustle and and having probably the best like technical wrestling matches 893 01:26:23.279 --> 01:26:26.000 on the show, but going you know, not in a central storyline or 894 01:26:26.039 --> 01:26:29.920 anything. And then just to see where he's at now, that mean streak 895 01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:34.239 that's in him. Oh man, It's just it's one of those great things 896 01:26:34.279 --> 01:26:40.279 where I'm just like, I love this. It makes me I've enjoyed most 897 01:26:40.279 --> 01:26:45.000 of what I've seen from the from the Super Junior so far. I'll have 898 01:26:45.119 --> 01:26:47.560 to give it a look at I'm not I don't think I'm gonna have too 899 01:26:47.640 --> 01:26:53.439 much going on this weekend until Sunday night, so maybe I'll give that a 900 01:26:53.439 --> 01:27:00.560 whirl. Its big big pay per view on the if you're listening in the 901 01:27:00.560 --> 01:27:04.279 regular feed, we had a big pay per view to watch this past Sunday 902 01:27:04.600 --> 01:27:11.560 if you're on Patreon of course tomorrow by w double or Nothing. But speaking 903 01:27:11.560 --> 01:27:15.960 of double or Nothing, we have a double match here. It's daveyan Moreashima 904 01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:24.640 against the Briscoe's in Tag Action, and man, I am so disappointed with 905 01:27:24.680 --> 01:27:28.920 this match. I would say, this is the most disappointing match on the 906 01:27:28.920 --> 01:27:34.079 show. And I watched me Amoto versus Eddie Edwards and that match was not 907 01:27:34.199 --> 01:27:48.880 Eddie's fault. But wow, this this was like low effort Morrishima combined with 908 01:27:49.000 --> 01:27:56.880 like Davy didn't want to do anything versus like Briscos who were just there. 909 01:27:59.520 --> 01:28:02.079 I don't think you ever getta we're just here from Davy

in the brisk. 910 01:28:03.880 --> 01:28:11.359 I don't know what this was then, but yeah, Moreshima not so much. 911 01:28:11.880 --> 01:28:15.920 It feels like this match was booked two was put together with how do 912 01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:21.399 we get Moreshima as literally involved as possible? Um their debut is definitely the 913 01:28:21.439 --> 01:28:29.479 work course for his team. I can say that I really didn't get the 914 01:28:29.680 --> 01:28:39.479 finish um because the alarm clock is usually just I'll move in Davy's repertoire, 915 01:28:41.760 --> 01:28:45.479 even once the Wolves come together at the end of the year, like it's 916 01:28:45.520 --> 01:28:47.439 just a double team move in their repertoire. So to see it used as 917 01:28:47.439 --> 01:28:56.600 a finish was kind of like that that doesn't work for me at all, 918 01:28:59.560 --> 01:29:02.880 But yeah, yeah it was. It was. This was for going twelve 919 01:29:02.920 --> 01:29:10.880 minutes. It was quite disappointing. Yeah, yeah, to me, the 920 01:29:11.199 --> 01:29:16.800 highlight of the match was the stereo butt splashes from Davy and Moreshima. Oh 921 01:29:16.920 --> 01:29:26.960 yeah, because that's like the one redeeming quality to me about Davy Richards from 922 01:29:27.199 --> 01:29:31.920 kind of the maybe like three or four years down the road is like the 923 01:29:32.439 --> 01:29:40.399 comedy Davy, Yeah, when he stopped taking himself so seriously, I like 924 01:29:40.600 --> 01:29:47.119 that, uh because it felt real. I can I can picture like a 925 01:29:47.319 --> 01:29:53.359 childish sense of humor about a spot, a childlike not childish, childlike sense 926 01:29:53.399 --> 01:29:59.600 of humor about doing the spot. This is hilarious, um, you know. 927 01:29:59.720 --> 01:30:05.560 And there's some Sweeney involvement, which is fine, but I mean more 928 01:30:05.680 --> 01:30:13.560 human does a boss man slam. But we go to the finish here at 929 01:30:13.640 --> 01:30:21.960 eleven minutes fifty eight seconds, backbreaker springboard knee combination hits, Davey has to 930 01:30:23.000 --> 01:30:26.760 fight free out of the doomsday device. We get a year Naggi suplex from 931 01:30:26.760 --> 01:30:30.000 Mark, death value driver from Jay. Sweeney tries to jump in again. 932 01:30:30.640 --> 01:30:35.600 Mark hits a tumbling sent on that gets a two count cutthroat driver into the 933 01:30:35.640 --> 01:30:43.920 alarm clock. Davy gets the pin on Mark because of course, and to 934 01:30:44.039 --> 01:30:49.720 me, this just never got out of the station now, not at all. 935 01:30:49.760 --> 01:30:59.119 And this felt like very much felt like a moment who you know, 936 01:30:59.199 --> 01:31:04.520 it's it's not it's the to put Davy under in this situation, I would, 937 01:31:04.640 --> 01:31:08.720 because he's just with some random person. You know, it's more asma, 938 01:31:08.840 --> 01:31:11.039 Yes, but it's just some random It's not you know, the wolves 939 01:31:11.039 --> 01:31:15.600 aren't together yet. You know, we've still got a couple more months till 940 01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:23.079 the wolves are together. So why there's a very clear, simplistic way to 941 01:31:23.279 --> 01:31:27.199 do that too. I mean, look at the size contrast between Moreshima and 942 01:31:27.279 --> 01:31:31.960 Davy and then tossing you know, some sweeey shenanigans. You very easily could 943 01:31:31.960 --> 01:31:38.319 have a miscommunication and then just a roll up even if you don't know that 944 01:31:38.119 --> 01:31:42.239 did that well, just did what you just said already with the Eddie match, 945 01:31:43.760 --> 01:31:48.359 just the tag version of that. Yeah, I just that's that's all. 946 01:31:48.439 --> 01:31:53.359 Just Yeah, this is a this is a miss unfortunately. Yeah, 947 01:31:53.479 --> 01:31:56.680 but what they do is perfectly fine. There's nothing wrong with any of the 948 01:31:56.680 --> 01:32:00.720 action. It's just you know, there's better in there. Yeah. The 949 01:32:00.800 --> 01:32:06.159 lack of more stream of being involved was disappointing and very apparent. Yes, 950 01:32:06.279 --> 01:32:13.800 yeah, stood out. Yes. So then we go to Jimmy Jacobson, 951 01:32:13.840 --> 01:32:16.399 Tyler Black attacking the Briscoes after week. We haven't had enough age of the 952 01:32:16.399 --> 01:32:23.680 fall yet. I mean, there's let's just all get everybody together. And 953 01:32:24.039 --> 01:32:30.279 of course this is building to Glory bown Or seven in Steelcage Warfare, which 954 01:32:31.279 --> 01:32:36.079 I mean, I was too busy crying in the back with a fucked up 955 01:32:36.119 --> 01:32:42.039 shoulder. I don't I don't even remember watching the match well, so similar 956 01:32:42.119 --> 01:32:48.119 mindset other than the broken shoulder. U I. The only reason I remember 957 01:32:48.359 --> 01:32:58.000 this steelcage Warfare happening was because I sat next to Mom and Papa Briscoe during 958 01:32:58.000 --> 01:33:09.199 this show and they were very into steelcage warfare while I was not, and 959 01:33:09.279 --> 01:33:12.399 I was sipping on my bud light or whatever it was that they had at 960 01:33:12.399 --> 01:33:19.239 the arena, and that was it. I just casually looking down at my 961 01:33:19.279 --> 01:33:24.720 phone, seeing what's going on in the world. I think I literally wanted 962 01:33:24.720 --> 01:33:31.880 to be anywhere but the arena at that point. Fun fact that I just 963 01:33:32.159 --> 01:33:39.880 found out maybe in the last week, but the famous title belt photo with 964 01:33:39.920 --> 01:33:44.119 all the various titles that were on the Glory Brown Or Seventh show was taken 965 01:33:45.279 --> 01:33:49.760 after Steelcage Warfare, like right as the match was ending. That was when 966 01:33:49.760 --> 01:33:54.840 the photo was taken. I had no idea when the photo was taken, 967 01:33:54.880 --> 01:34:01.399 just that it was

from that night. Yeah, so we've got Jimmy on 968 01:34:01.439 --> 01:34:09.960 the microphone. Jimmy's in the ring, Nigel McGinnis is on the microphone, 969 01:34:10.159 --> 01:34:15.000 his opponent for the evening. He's easier said than done, I guess m. 970 01:34:15.520 --> 01:34:20.279 He congratulates the clamdigger Brian Danielson on his victory yesterday, says he was 971 01:34:20.359 --> 01:34:26.079 lucky, and he says the Age of the Fall have also been lucky, 972 01:34:26.720 --> 01:34:32.439 but their luck has run out because Nigel McGinnis is here to put an into 973 01:34:32.560 --> 01:34:42.760 Jimmy Jacobs and the Age of the Fall of Shenanigans later this evening. Yep, 974 01:34:44.479 --> 01:34:47.479 I'm I don't remember. Was this the timeframe when he had like all 975 01:34:47.520 --> 01:34:54.640 sorts of silly nicknames for people? No, this isn't tired Championship. He 976 01:34:54.720 --> 01:34:58.479 could have had like a really good one for Jimmy Jacobs because been like he 977 01:34:58.520 --> 01:35:06.680 didn't bother Jake Jimmy's or something I don't know could have but no, no, 978 01:35:06.960 --> 01:35:10.800 nothing, Well and Adrian, there wasn't a program. This was just 979 01:35:10.880 --> 01:35:15.399 a here's a match between two guys. Watch. I've saved it for the 980 01:35:15.439 --> 01:35:19.600 main event. Let's talk about something I was excited to watch. Yes, 981 01:35:20.279 --> 01:35:29.399 literally the match that led my fascinations to watch this show. It is the 982 01:35:29.560 --> 01:35:38.479 GHC Junior Heavyweight title match, Yoshanovu Kanamaru defending against the American Dragon, Brian 983 01:35:38.560 --> 01:35:44.000 Danielson. Now, if you've listened to this show for two hundred episodes, 984 01:35:44.439 --> 01:35:48.680 or you know, maybe half of that or even twenty five percent of it, 985 01:35:49.479 --> 01:35:56.760 you've probably heard us talk about our love of pro Wrestling Noah and our 986 01:35:56.840 --> 01:36:02.560 love of Pro Wrestling Noah heavyweight matches, but also our our love for the 987 01:36:02.640 --> 01:36:06.720 junior division of Noah, especially around like the two thousand and three, the 988 01:36:06.760 --> 01:36:17.159 two thousand and seven eight time. Yoshinobu Kanamaru is probably the most criminally underrated 989 01:36:17.800 --> 01:36:25.720 junior heavyweight of that time period. He never vented, never ventured out of 990 01:36:25.800 --> 01:36:31.119 Japan. He could be flashy, He had a mean, nasty streak to 991 01:36:31.239 --> 01:36:39.479 him. He still does to this day, still going strong. He is 992 01:36:39.520 --> 01:36:45.880 in the super juniors that weird, we're just discussing like he's He is one 993 01:36:45.920 --> 01:36:56.760 of those guys that just is the complete product as a professional wrestler. And 994 01:36:57.399 --> 01:37:02.439 I always go back to Kinnamaru and Kenta as my favorite kind of Marrow match. 995 01:37:03.359 --> 01:37:08.159 Um, I don't have a date on that one for you, but 996 01:37:08.359 --> 01:37:12.239 I want to say it was in like two thousand and five or six. 997 01:37:13.760 --> 01:37:18.640 Um, they went like forty two minutes. Um, it's on. It's 998 01:37:18.680 --> 01:37:26.479 on one of the things we've put on Patreon. Yeah, but this might 999 01:37:27.039 --> 01:37:31.880 might have topped that match. I don't think there's ever been a bad Brian 1000 01:37:31.960 --> 01:37:39.920 Danielson match. Um, Like, he even dragged a pretty good match out 1001 01:37:39.920 --> 01:37:45.640 of Kane. So um, if you can do that, you might as 1002 01:37:45.640 --> 01:37:49.800 well just give him a broomstick and let him go to town. Because this 1003 01:37:49.800 --> 01:38:00.880 this one was just off the fucking chart. Yeah. Yeah, it's us 1004 01:38:02.600 --> 01:38:16.520 superb Just everything about this match like authentic Noah match here, and you know, 1005 01:38:16.600 --> 01:38:26.760 they lock up and Brian gets out wrestled by Conna Marrow, which I 1006 01:38:26.800 --> 01:38:31.359 thought was really important from a Ring of honor perspective to show that the so 1007 01:38:31.520 --> 01:38:38.399 called best in the world, Brian Danielson has some work to do. It 1008 01:38:38.560 --> 01:38:44.479 as a layer as the DVD buying fan. It adds a layer for them 1009 01:38:45.000 --> 01:38:49.000 to say, oh, even if they don't know who Connamorrow is, now 1010 01:38:49.039 --> 01:38:55.319 they know this guy is right at Brian's love. Yeah, yeah, No, 1011 01:38:55.479 --> 01:39:03.359 it's a it's just not even the fact that he's like David Lenny can 1012 01:39:03.399 --> 01:39:08.039 sell him on commentary. They can talk about he's, you know, the 1013 01:39:08.039 --> 01:39:15.079 first GHC junior heavyweight champion, the first you know, and have this the 1014 01:39:15.159 --> 01:39:19.960 second junior tag champions. Um. You know, they can praise all his 1015 01:39:20.039 --> 01:39:30.000 accolades, but the fans need to see him. So, like we talked 1016 01:39:30.000 --> 01:39:35.560 about in the Ishi more generical match, there's two different polls here. There's 1017 01:39:35.600 --> 01:39:42.079 the no psychology, let's just do a bunch of crazy stuff and get a 1018 01:39:42.119 --> 01:39:47.560 reaction, and then there's the let's sell, let's use ring psychology. Let's 1019 01:39:47.680 --> 01:39:55.000 do our best to you know, formulate this story around the body part. 1020 01:39:55.279 --> 01:40:02.680 And that's what this is. Um. The story here is that Brian is 1021 01:40:02.720 --> 01:40:08.680 after Kanna Marrow's arm. He's you know, wrenching it, throwing it over 1022 01:40:08.680 --> 01:40:16.359 his own shoulder, and Kinna Maru is trying to work on Brian all over 1023 01:40:16.560 --> 01:40:20.760 you know, he's running his leg you know, into the guard rails and 1024 01:40:21.840 --> 01:40:28.760 um it's the tempo is kind of up and down too, so you're getting

1025 01:40:28.800 --> 01:40:36.560 that variety of styles that they know a junior division presented in this time. 1026 01:40:38.479 --> 01:40:43.920 UM, I guess kind of give me your perspective on like Kinna Maru and 1027 01:40:44.159 --> 01:40:49.199 and where this ranks. Well, I think with this match, yeah, 1028 01:40:49.239 --> 01:40:54.840 we had some technical glitches. So if I'm repeating myself, forgive me. 1029 01:40:55.199 --> 01:41:00.199 I don't know what recorded and what didn't. UM with Kunnamaru, I think 1030 01:41:00.279 --> 01:41:04.159 it's you know, Lenny, Lenny and Dave can sing his praise is all 1031 01:41:04.199 --> 01:41:08.479 they want, Like they can sell him as the first jate C Junior Champion. 1032 01:41:08.520 --> 01:41:13.319 They can talk you know, second ever Junior GC Junior tag champion. 1033 01:41:13.680 --> 01:41:19.159 Um, you know, essentially the foundation of the junior division in pro wrestling, 1034 01:41:19.199 --> 01:41:27.960 Noah. And but what needs to be seen is that you can be 1035 01:41:28.079 --> 01:41:30.199 told it, but now you need to see it. And so the fact 1036 01:41:30.239 --> 01:41:34.760 that he's in there with Brian, who is on a pedestal in the Ring 1037 01:41:34.800 --> 01:41:41.960 of Honor landscape at this point, Um, he's on a pedestal in the 1038 01:41:42.039 --> 01:41:45.600 Ring of Hour landscape. Like and even in general, you know, it 1039 01:41:46.039 --> 01:41:48.399 wouldn't be too far off a stretch, even in two thousand and eight to 1040 01:41:48.439 --> 01:41:55.319 say that Ryan was Brian. Brian is one of the best wrestlers in the 1041 01:41:55.399 --> 01:42:00.800 world at this point, if not the depending on your tastes. For me, 1042 01:42:00.600 --> 01:42:05.720 yep, I will yeah, I got that label on. There's close. 1043 01:42:06.680 --> 01:42:12.520 Yeah. So the fact that what fans need to see who are not 1044 01:42:12.760 --> 01:42:18.560 familiar with the product of mill products is indeed to see kanamar in there with 1045 01:42:18.640 --> 01:42:26.800 him as an equal, if not slightly better, and Brian's got to level 1046 01:42:26.920 --> 01:42:30.199 up to be able to beat him and win this championship. And that's what 1047 01:42:30.199 --> 01:42:34.079 we get. You know, it's like the entire sequence over the catal mutilation, 1048 01:42:34.159 --> 01:42:39.960 in the back and forth of fighting for it and uh you know eventually 1049 01:42:40.000 --> 01:42:45.720 into the elbows and tiger suplex like it just there's so much goodness in this 1050 01:42:45.840 --> 01:42:55.640 match and intensity that I think is like the hallmark of Brian's matches that everything 1051 01:42:55.680 --> 01:43:02.199 you're watching has this like this role feeling that you know, this is this 1052 01:43:02.399 --> 01:43:10.319 is a struggle. This is not a you know, complimentary working together their 1053 01:43:10.359 --> 01:43:15.640 sort of situation. It all feels like a fight. And this this

is 1054 01:43:15.680 --> 01:43:24.319 no different than than those matches. You know, it's without a a specifically 1055 01:43:24.439 --> 01:43:28.960 personal issue between the two of them. It's personal in the sense that you 1056 01:43:29.000 --> 01:43:32.119 know, you're trying to take a champions title. That's that's pretty personal. 1057 01:43:32.800 --> 01:43:39.159 Um So it's bad and it's Brian wanting to achieve his goal of finally winning 1058 01:43:39.199 --> 01:43:43.760 a singles title in in a Japanese promotion though, and it's against you, 1059 01:43:43.920 --> 01:43:46.159 like I said, the foundation of the Junior division and pro wrestling. No 1060 01:43:46.319 --> 01:43:53.439 who's like on his I don't know third title run at this point, and 1061 01:43:53.520 --> 01:43:58.000 it's it's imagine it allows both people to showcase like their skills. And also 1062 01:43:58.039 --> 01:44:03.479 I think the fact that Brian is on the this is this These Um bring 1063 01:44:03.479 --> 01:44:09.199 about shows are at the end of a Noah tour that was the NTV Junior 1064 01:44:09.279 --> 01:44:13.840 Tag League more or less, so Brian had been teaming with Davy of all 1065 01:44:13.920 --> 01:44:19.880 people on this loop of the shows, and had just wrestled Um. The 1066 01:44:19.960 --> 01:44:27.399 last match of the tournament for him was katurus Zuki and kind Ofmorrow against Brian 1067 01:44:27.479 --> 01:44:32.079 and davey Um. So it's like they've also had plenty of time with each 1068 01:44:32.079 --> 01:44:38.439 other in those you know, tag matches six man tags you know that are 1069 01:44:38.479 --> 01:44:45.600 a staple of the Japanese companies on the tours, to also get familiar with 1070 01:44:45.600 --> 01:44:50.600 each other. The one thing about this that stood out to me, and 1071 01:44:51.000 --> 01:44:56.520 you hit right on it, was the words struggle. So I had a 1072 01:44:56.560 --> 01:45:01.039 conversation the other day with somebody that is a pro wrestler and we're talking about 1073 01:45:01.720 --> 01:45:08.159 the best types of matches, and he said, it has to feel like 1074 01:45:08.199 --> 01:45:14.039 a fight. And I said, but sometimes even a good heavyweight boxing match 1075 01:45:14.319 --> 01:45:19.520 seems easy for somebody. I said, it needs to feel like it's a 1076 01:45:19.680 --> 01:45:30.800 struggle on both sides for something to hit me. And he kind of turned 1077 01:45:30.920 --> 01:45:36.199 his head and just he actually was like, Wow, I've never thought about 1078 01:45:36.199 --> 01:45:43.760 it that way. And I'd like to think that that's something that future generation 1079 01:45:43.880 --> 01:45:48.239 should think about in their matches, is that it's not necessarily about how many 1080 01:45:48.279 --> 01:45:54.960 moves you do or what you do. You can do that style, but 1081 01:45:55.119 --> 01:46:00.439 if you're going to have something different, something that stands out, trying build 1082 01:46:00.479 --> 01:46:03.920 your match around a you know, a struggle, like make it a tug 1083 01:46:04.039 --> 01:46:10.680 of war. And that's what this match felt like to me, because just 1084 01:46:10.800 --> 01:46:14.359 when you thought Brian was inching ahead, kind of mar pulls him back. 1085 01:46:15.680 --> 01:46:19.119 Well, I think the tug of war, the struggle is can't be for 1086 01:46:19.199 --> 01:46:24.600 every match, No, it has to. It has to be that difference. 1087 01:46:25.439 --> 01:46:30.199 Yeah, it's a situational you know, Brian, Brian would not should 1088 01:46:30.239 --> 01:46:34.680 not be going in there having a struggle with with Shane Haggett, and you 1089 01:46:34.760 --> 01:46:42.760 know, um he might be like yeah, for all the wrong reasons, 1090 01:46:42.760 --> 01:46:46.159 the struggle to not look like shit, um where to stop. He's just 1091 01:46:46.159 --> 01:46:54.560 gonna have a giddy, dumbass look uh it. But yes, like to 1092 01:46:54.680 --> 01:46:57.520 a degree, you know, doesn't it doesn't have to be a fifty fifty 1093 01:46:57.560 --> 01:47:01.039 struggle, but like you know, it's there needs to be a dead element 1094 01:47:01.119 --> 01:47:09.720 of that element of this. This is a fight. It's not a cakewalker. 1095 01:47:09.800 --> 01:47:15.000 It's not damn the dance. Um. You know, sometimes sometimes that 1096 01:47:15.000 --> 01:47:24.399 that works for me. But my overall preferred uh frame is this match and 1097 01:47:25.960 --> 01:47:30.800 the next match as well. Yeah. Basically I think I can some up 1098 01:47:30.840 --> 01:47:38.039 my my my take on professional wrestling in four words cribs from eminem Do you 1099 01:47:38.039 --> 01:47:44.800 like violence? I mean I could just sum it up and just say, 1100 01:47:44.880 --> 01:47:49.119 you know, like two thousand and five pro us like Noah, I'm good, 1101 01:47:50.119 --> 01:47:56.520 give me that. Yeah that's fine. I'm eighty nine. Nwa oh 1102 01:47:56.600 --> 01:48:02.600 five, nollah, I'm good, teen ninety WWF. The King's Road stuff. 1103 01:48:02.960 --> 01:48:09.439 That that that arc of stuff, you know, as I've become increasingly 1104 01:48:09.479 --> 01:48:12.079 familiar with that over the years, like yeah, that that is that is 1105 01:48:12.119 --> 01:48:15.239 the sweet spot. Of pro wrestling for me, just violent, violent, 1106 01:48:15.680 --> 01:48:20.359 violent looking pro wrestling. Yeah, it feels real, feels feels like a 1107 01:48:20.399 --> 01:48:25.720 fight. Mm. That was this, That was absolutely this, and that 1108 01:48:26.920 --> 01:48:30.399 when Brian finally, like you know, at the end, it finally all 1109 01:48:30.439 --> 01:48:35.760 comes together and he, you know, gets to achieve his dream of being 1110 01:48:35.800 --> 01:48:44.520 a singles champion in Japanese promotions. Yeah, yeah, I mean the catam 1111 01:48:44.600 --> 01:48:50.399 mutilation finishes off Knnamarrow twenty minutes forty one seconds. Um. The

fact that 1112 01:48:50.439 --> 01:48:57.079 he's satisfying twenty one minutes too, The fact that he got Connamarro to tap, 1113 01:48:57.439 --> 01:49:01.119 to be willing to tap out, I should say civically, um, 1114 01:49:02.000 --> 01:49:06.840 is important to note, you know. I mean, you could lose like 1115 01:49:06.840 --> 01:49:12.760 a flashpin or just a regular pin. But you want to give me a 1116 01:49:12.800 --> 01:49:17.239 whole different rant about the fucked up psychology of American wrestling fans versus like everybody 1117 01:49:17.239 --> 01:49:24.840 else, or tapping out is like this huge humbling like, oh my god, 1118 01:49:23.880 --> 01:49:31.920 you tapped out where like it's a finish like, but it's it's it's 1119 01:49:32.079 --> 01:49:42.279 choice. I don't want any understand I understand why it has beat, why 1120 01:49:42.319 --> 01:49:47.399 it is sold that way, I understand it, but it's just did an 1121 01:49:47.439 --> 01:49:54.000 amusing thing to me, how the the idea of the tap out and the 1122 01:49:54.079 --> 01:50:00.319 submission I think is treated how it is treated in American pro wrestling versus like, 1123 01:50:01.439 --> 01:50:05.560 I don't know literally everywhere I don't know. Let's go Japanese progressing, 1124 01:50:05.560 --> 01:50:09.239 because I'll just use that as my touchdown because this is what made me think 1125 01:50:09.239 --> 01:50:12.319 about it. Watch I can't remember specifically what I was watching, and it 1126 01:50:12.359 --> 01:50:15.399 was a tapot that was the finish. You know, it wasn't treated like 1127 01:50:15.439 --> 01:50:19.720 this moment of humiliation or you know, anything like that, whereas I think 1128 01:50:19.840 --> 01:50:25.000 a lot of times it's more that's how it ends up being. When you 1129 01:50:25.039 --> 01:50:30.199 know, a lot of times it ends up being that I don't view it 1130 01:50:30.279 --> 01:50:36.039 necessarily as humiliation. I kind of view it as like the viciousness was just 1131 01:50:36.199 --> 01:50:45.199 too much. The responses afterwards are usually like the encourage the fans of Jenny, 1132 01:50:45.279 --> 01:50:48.880 you tapped out, nobody chance, you got pinned. You got pinned. 1133 01:50:49.399 --> 01:50:55.039 True, because the mentality behind it is the submission is far worse than 1134 01:50:55.079 --> 01:51:01.159 the pin That's fair, um, but just it's an interesting to me. 1135 01:51:02.479 --> 01:51:11.079 It's the way that fans look at finishes. You got counted out, you 1136 01:51:11.159 --> 01:51:19.119 got counted out. Okay, yeah, I've never really thought about it that 1137 01:51:19.159 --> 01:51:26.000 way. I always view a submission with somebody, you know, submitting to 1138 01:51:26.039 --> 01:51:30.119 the hole they're tapping out, or however you want to phrase it. Like, 1139 01:51:30.119 --> 01:51:36.600 I always put that on a pedestal because anybody that has the submission as 1140 01:51:36.600 --> 01:51:43.359 their

finish is a more they have to get into the move, so technically 1141 01:51:43.399 --> 01:51:48.079 they are more versed in the style as opposed to just picking somebody up and 1142 01:51:48.199 --> 01:51:53.800 dropping him on their head. You know, Sid, for example, Sid 1143 01:51:54.000 --> 01:51:58.239 is not going to use the sharpshooter. Sid is going to use the power 1144 01:51:58.279 --> 01:52:04.359 bomb because he is six ten and stupid. Don't you say a bad word 1145 01:52:04.399 --> 01:52:12.880 about Sid, or listen late Ning will he will come get you. I 1146 01:52:12.960 --> 01:52:15.880 went to the toy store the other day, Hastall Toy shout out to Mitch 1147 01:52:15.920 --> 01:52:20.800 and Hastall and Tony. I bought Sid. Okay, I don't know. 1148 01:52:20.840 --> 01:52:26.680 If you can see him on the I can see half his body there. 1149 01:52:26.680 --> 01:52:32.159 He is there. You go Elite thirty seven. Sid costs me fifty dollars. 1150 01:52:33.039 --> 01:52:35.560 Yeah. I love this figure. I had to have it. I've 1151 01:52:35.600 --> 01:52:40.880 been wanting it for years and they finally had it. It was out when 1152 01:52:40.920 --> 01:52:47.439 I was not collecting and I made some exchanges and I got sid so things 1153 01:52:47.479 --> 01:52:51.319 coming out when I wasn't collecting is what has led to these two detos on 1154 01:52:51.359 --> 01:53:00.439 the side of me and Goddamn toy Huts Ethan paid shout out. I can't 1155 01:53:00.520 --> 01:53:04.600 wait so much, but I can't wait till Ethan is uh and I probably 1156 01:53:04.600 --> 01:53:08.960 if you get him, we'll have to talk about this off the air. 1157 01:53:09.079 --> 01:53:15.640 But Midge once appearances from certain people, and Ethan is on his list, 1158 01:53:15.039 --> 01:53:20.960 so be happy to pass his information along to you. Um. But yeah, 1159 01:53:21.000 --> 01:53:28.600 I mean it's just for me. Um, the match of the night 1160 01:53:28.800 --> 01:53:34.079 so far, and there's no question, Like I'm not there was no question. 1161 01:53:34.119 --> 01:53:41.520 This is the match of the night period. Yeah. I like singles 1162 01:53:41.560 --> 01:53:45.760 match for sure. I love the tag match that's coming up. Um, 1163 01:53:45.840 --> 01:53:51.319 yeah, you know for different reasons, Um, I think, uh, 1164 01:53:53.319 --> 01:53:57.760 you know. Noah giving Brian the GHC Junior title shows a lot of faith 1165 01:53:57.800 --> 01:54:01.199 in him, which is super important, and now he can take the belt 1166 01:54:01.239 --> 01:54:06.520 to America. Um, Joeho Gucci gives him the belt. Brian has just 1167 01:54:08.000 --> 01:54:15.039 got that giant smile on his face as it falls on my desk. It's 1168 01:54:15.079 --> 01:54:18.960 like him real he would care about him I mean he's standing stable, but 1169 01:54:19.159 --> 01:54:24.159 he felt he's got his arms up. He's ready to give somebody the power 1170 01:54:24.159 --> 01:54:32.119 bomb, but Brian and Joe Hoogucci take photos. Um, he's got the 1171 01:54:32.239 --> 01:54:40.520 trophy as well, And yeah, this is a cool, cool moment. 1172 01:54:40.760 --> 01:54:46.079 And I probably haven't watched this match in you know, real time since the 1173 01:54:46.159 --> 01:54:53.359 DVD came out, so this was a really really fun hidden gem. Yeah 1174 01:54:53.439 --> 01:55:00.840 yeah, yeah, definitely. Then we go backstage to Brian Danielson, where 1175 01:55:01.520 --> 01:55:09.520 I even I got kind of emotional listening to him talk. Um. You 1176 01:55:09.560 --> 01:55:15.680 can just hear the passion in his voice. Yes, of like finally climbing 1177 01:55:15.680 --> 01:55:24.239 the mountain to being the GHC Junior champ. And he apparently has figured out 1178 01:55:24.359 --> 01:55:30.760 that being the champ means power very fast because he declares that facing Nakajima UH 1179 01:55:30.880 --> 01:55:36.399 in Philly um is going to be a GHC Junior title match. I mean 1180 01:55:36.399 --> 01:55:41.880 he requests it. He doesn't demand it, he requests it. Are you 1181 01:55:42.000 --> 01:55:45.560 gonna tell Brian Danielson, no, no money, power, respect, but 1182 01:55:45.720 --> 01:55:58.520 you need in life titles miles you need in life A number is more of 1183 01:55:58.520 --> 01:56:03.880 of ring of honor, at least the number one staple in UH the honorable 1184 01:56:03.920 --> 01:56:11.119 mentioned podcast is uh hagan Arn singing at least once in episode, if not 1185 01:56:11.239 --> 01:56:15.359 several times. I need In life, it's more a tag matches, like 1186 01:56:15.560 --> 01:56:20.039 what we've got next? That's right, Nao MEETI Marafuji teams with Katahiko Nakajima 1187 01:56:20.159 --> 01:56:27.319 to take on Kenta and Coda Abushi. Yeah, look at this on paper, 1188 01:56:27.359 --> 01:56:32.680 you know, fuck, this is a real thing. And this is 1189 01:56:32.720 --> 01:56:40.239 a very young Nakajima who looks very different than he does now. Yeah, 1190 01:56:40.239 --> 01:56:49.439 and this is very young Abushi with only six abs instead of sixteen M and 1191 01:56:49.479 --> 01:56:53.840 I think, yeah, I know, ramissed and not mentioned. It sounds 1192 01:56:53.840 --> 01:56:58.760 like that the Abushi the person that's going through a lot right now. I 1193 01:56:58.760 --> 01:57:01.399 mean, just read about his his mother and Jesus, it's a lot of 1194 01:57:02.600 --> 01:57:11.000 Yeah, it's it's an incredibly you know, tough story and um, without 1195 01:57:11.039 --> 01:57:15.840 getting into too much detail, I've kind of learned what it's like, UM 1196 01:57:15.239 --> 01:57:19.039 from a close friend. To grow up without a mom and and to have 1197 01:57:20.199 --> 01:57:30.680 to lose a parent is incredibly difficult. UM in areas that you just don't 1198 01:57:31.680 --> 01:57:39.119 recognize until you hear it from someone. And thankfully you know, Abushi's mom 1199 01:57:39.840 --> 01:57:45.479 is okay. But the mere thought of it.

She died. I thought 1200 01:57:45.479 --> 01:57:50.720 she'd found my wrong. I thought she did attempt. Okay, no, 1201 01:57:51.520 --> 01:57:56.159 I didn't know if there was something after that got in the bid, but 1202 01:57:57.279 --> 01:58:01.439 um, just the mere thought of it. His hunting, and he seems 1203 01:58:01.439 --> 01:58:04.760 to be going through a lot, and obviously we wish him nothing but the 1204 01:58:04.800 --> 01:58:14.199 best going forward, um in his personal and professional life, but most importantly 1205 01:58:14.199 --> 01:58:19.039 his personal life. Get that in order and then worry about the programs later. 1206 01:58:19.960 --> 01:58:26.000 But yeah, you know, looking at this show, this was the 1207 01:58:26.039 --> 01:58:29.399 match that stood out to me because I just thought to myself, well, 1208 01:58:30.880 --> 01:58:32.760 if we're gonna throw these four names in a hat, we picked the proper 1209 01:58:32.800 --> 01:58:39.520 teams, and uh, sign me up. I mean, generally speaking, 1210 01:58:39.520 --> 01:58:42.920 you would think it'd be Kent and mar Fuji on the same team, but 1211 01:58:43.520 --> 01:58:45.960 I want to see him. It's no fun. Yeah, we've seen too 1212 01:58:46.000 --> 01:58:49.239 many times. Let's see them beat the shit out of each other. Yes, 1213 01:58:49.640 --> 01:58:54.560 yeah, really may have a whole lot here, dude, Let the 1214 01:58:54.600 --> 01:59:00.159 young boys do. Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely a Kent and Marfuji have 1215 01:59:00.239 --> 01:59:04.479 their spots, and it's not like Moreshima where they just kind of are like, 1216 01:59:04.640 --> 01:59:09.319 yeah, we're just gonna go I'm gonna stand out stand on the floor 1217 01:59:09.359 --> 01:59:13.399 for twenty minutes. Um. Now, they put in the work here, 1218 01:59:13.560 --> 01:59:17.319 so you know, even because like the last five minutes of the thirty minute 1219 01:59:17.319 --> 01:59:25.000 time limit is basically a showcase for a Bushi Nakajima. But damn it, 1220 01:59:25.159 --> 01:59:29.439 fuck, this is I just definitely, Uh, do you like violence? 1221 01:59:29.520 --> 01:59:34.359 Then this is for you? Because do you make violence? Do you like 1222 01:59:34.479 --> 01:59:43.439 people trying to kick the souls out of their opponents. There's one point where 1223 01:59:43.800 --> 01:59:49.880 Nakajima kicks Aboushi and you literally see Aboushi just kind of like the shape of 1224 01:59:49.920 --> 01:59:56.159 Abushi just fall out of his back. Yes, you ever seen he? 1225 01:59:56.319 --> 02:00:00.359 Just you knowing? The ancient one touches doctor Strange on the head head and 1226 02:00:00.439 --> 02:00:04.079 the forehead and his third eye, and his astral form goes through all of 1227 02:00:04.119 --> 02:00:09.319 the astral plane and then bounces back into his body. That is what I've 1228 02:00:09.439 --> 02:00:15.199 been visioned every time any one of these four kick the other one. Is 1229 02:00:15.239 --> 02:00:24.239 that out of body experience? Because good lord, it's glorious, glorious violence 1230 02:00:24.319 --> 02:00:30.000 spectacle. And yes, damn it, I am entertained. I want to 1231 02:00:30.079 --> 02:00:35.000 run this match back in twenty twenty two somehow. Yeah, I don't want 1232 02:00:35.039 --> 02:00:40.239 to navigate the politics to make that happen. But no, no, not 1233 02:00:40.319 --> 02:00:45.680 at all. I would definitely like to see this one run back. I 1234 02:00:45.720 --> 02:00:50.680 mean, it's just Nakajima to me. I don't think he's ever going to 1235 02:00:50.760 --> 02:00:59.039 get the credit he deserves like the other three guys. M but man like 1236 02:00:59.239 --> 02:01:02.680 talk about it complete package. I think it's it's that unfortunate, like he 1237 02:01:02.880 --> 02:01:06.000 was the top guy in Noah when it was you know, when New Japan 1238 02:01:06.079 --> 02:01:14.159 had all has had all of the spotlight, and now Noah's spotlight is for 1239 02:01:14.640 --> 02:01:18.760 bad decisions and a lot of the spotlight Noah's kidding right now is not for 1240 02:01:18.880 --> 02:01:26.000 positive reasons, it seems. Um but like not Kajima so much, so 1241 02:01:26.079 --> 02:01:29.600 much they just look up anything not Kajima has done in like the last ten 1242 02:01:29.680 --> 02:01:36.479 years, and uh like not Jima and Go in particular, or um the 1243 02:01:36.560 --> 02:01:43.079 new young kid who I fuck because I haven't kept up with it religiously, 1244 02:01:43.960 --> 02:01:49.880 I'm forgetting his damn name. Ah, it'll come back to me or I'll 1245 02:01:49.880 --> 02:01:56.000 look it up. But there's there's a there's a wealth of very very very 1246 02:01:56.039 --> 02:02:01.680 good promussing Noah stuff that's the modern more you know, modern stuff they've gotten 1247 02:02:01.720 --> 02:02:08.880 back from the little that I have seen in recent years. Of Um, 1248 02:02:09.000 --> 02:02:15.119 they've got more of the traditional like Kenta, kobashi and massala style heavyweight matches 1249 02:02:15.319 --> 02:02:18.600 that kind of were absent where the juniors were on top and it was you 1250 02:02:18.640 --> 02:02:25.840 know, Kenta and Mara Fuji is the top guys. Um, it's it's 1251 02:02:25.880 --> 02:02:30.399 just enjoyable. I'm not entirely you know, invested in the great Muda in 1252 02:02:30.399 --> 02:02:38.319 twenty twenty two, but no, uh, you know that's fine. Everybody 1253 02:02:38.399 --> 02:02:44.319 needs an old savvy name. But they do a kick duel here, um 1254 02:02:44.479 --> 02:02:46.000 not ge Gino by the way, twenty years old. When this match is 1255 02:02:46.039 --> 02:02:54.119 happening, Yeah, and uh yeah, I mean it's it's incredible. The 1256 02:02:54.119 --> 02:02:58.439 athleticism from Aboushi, who I think I can make the argument that he might 1257 02:02:58.479 --> 02:03:04.199 be the most athletic professional wrestler that I've ever seen. Just like his body 1258

02:03:04.319 --> 02:03:14.399 balance is so fluid. Um it looks effortless. Um. You know, 1259 02:03:14.640 --> 02:03:18.840 and having seen him in person, it's even more impressive up close. Um. 1260 02:03:20.319 --> 02:03:25.920 Then you've got you know, some of these kicks and bumps on the 1261 02:03:25.960 --> 02:03:38.920 apron um like Na Kajima boots h Marafuji or Kenta on the apron after Marfuji 1262 02:03:39.079 --> 02:03:46.159 drops him head first and just you see Kent's head just snap back. Um. 1263 02:03:46.199 --> 02:03:53.680 I mean that clearly is just ridiculous. Mary Fuji would end up putting 1264 02:03:53.680 --> 02:03:59.640 a submission hold on Kenta. Um So Abushi decides I'm gonna save my tag 1265 02:03:59.640 --> 02:04:02.920 partner and they all forget in the ring and do a battle over a suplex 1266 02:04:03.640 --> 02:04:10.680 and Marfuji and Nakajima landed on the ropes and then they eat double flying knee 1267 02:04:10.720 --> 02:04:15.600 strikes only to get a two count from Kenta. There is the name I 1268 02:04:15.640 --> 02:04:24.199 was thinking about. Oh yes, yeah, uh so this this match goes 1269 02:04:24.239 --> 02:04:30.239 on. There's a matrix type spot where Abushi does a he needs a tag 1270 02:04:30.319 --> 02:04:38.359 and he has to duck back to make the big tag he gets in he 1271 02:04:38.479 --> 02:04:45.880 hits uh you know, the stf from Kenta. Um Nakajima breaks up that 1272 02:04:45.960 --> 02:04:50.920 pinfall go to sleep his counter sure Naya's countered. Mar Fuji stomps him on 1273 02:04:50.920 --> 02:04:56.279 the face, hits a super kick. Kenta Nakajima battle again over kicks, 1274 02:04:56.760 --> 02:05:03.239 Naka grab, Nakajima grabs the ankle lock Kempta selling the leg but still blocks 1275 02:05:03.239 --> 02:05:12.760 the springboard attempt with a drop kick. And this crowd goes pop. Yeah. 1276 02:05:12.840 --> 02:05:17.159 This is is it much like the Nakajima Brian match. This is a 1277 02:05:17.319 --> 02:05:25.520 match that knows its audience. This is yeah. I mean it's not even 1278 02:05:25.640 --> 02:05:29.840 the the the trope that I've used is the playing the hits. This is 1279 02:05:30.680 --> 02:05:34.399 just let's just go out there and just bang one out. That's really good 1280 02:05:34.479 --> 02:05:40.279 and then let's see where it goes from there. And they go third to 1281 02:05:40.359 --> 02:05:45.079 a thirty minute draw. M really awesome finishing sequence to the first thirty minute 1282 02:05:45.199 --> 02:05:53.319 stands a dragon suplex by Bushi. That's no sold, German stuplex from Nakajima. 1283 02:05:53.520 --> 02:05:57.600 Guess what, that's no sold. They both get back on their feet. 1284 02:05:58.000 --> 02:06:02.079 They start kicking each other. I believe he is coming out of the 1285 02:06:02.960 --> 02:06:09.600 rectal or not the rectal regions, but the the groinal regions. I was 1286 02:06:09.640 --> 02:06:14.159 trying to think of a better word than groineal regions, but pisses is emanating 1287 02:06:14.159 --> 02:06:21.000 out of their groinal regions. Nakajima then kicks Aboushi in the face. Yeah, 1288 02:06:21.119 --> 02:06:28.760 in the face, yeah, at the ninety second mark, and Abushi 1289 02:06:29.079 --> 02:06:35.039 gets up. He gets in the air for a missile drop kick and the 1290 02:06:35.119 --> 02:06:41.760 cross on breaker is locked on Nakajima grabs the ropes, he turns around, 1291 02:06:41.760 --> 02:06:48.119 he puts the ankle lock on, and Aboushi holds on just barely until the 1292 02:06:48.239 --> 02:06:55.880 thirty minute time limit expires. And much like after somebody wins the Ring of 1293 02:06:55.920 --> 02:07:01.560 Honor world title, Carrie Silken just teleports into the ring. It's like ding 1294 02:07:01.680 --> 02:07:08.039 ding ding yours, Carrie. Um, you're cheap to have five more minutes. 1295 02:07:09.119 --> 02:07:18.800 That was basically, Oh, that was another moment where it's like, 1296 02:07:19.239 --> 02:07:26.960 you know, obviously the cultural audience differences in the American audience, as soon 1297 02:07:27.000 --> 02:07:30.920 as that happened, they're gonna start chanting five more minutes, um, Whereas 1298 02:07:31.319 --> 02:07:36.439 here it's more just match going to a draw happens. There's all the fucking 1299 02:07:36.439 --> 02:07:41.039 time when it's like the Young's Lions matches ten minute draws on. You know, 1300 02:07:41.079 --> 02:07:44.279 the opening shows were not an uncommon thing. And fuck, I don't 1301 02:07:44.359 --> 02:07:49.359 not get my ritz oreo. Uh oh oh, there's only a thousand and 1302 02:07:49.439 --> 02:07:57.479 I clearly you know I shows and ones. You can make a ritz Oreo 1303 02:07:57.640 --> 02:08:01.840 yourself, I know, but it's just I wanted to win the official deal. 1304 02:08:03.119 --> 02:08:05.600 But yes, so, like you know, I don't think that's an 1305 02:08:05.640 --> 02:08:11.520 expected thing in front of you know this Japanese audience or as opposed an American 1306 02:08:11.560 --> 02:08:13.960 audience, it's just immediately, or why wouldn't we get five more minutes? 1307 02:08:15.000 --> 02:08:16.640 They went to a draw. Of course we're supposed to get five more minutes. 1308 02:08:18.520 --> 02:08:20.439 Well, like there's none of that. But there's none of that, 1309 02:08:20.520 --> 02:08:24.000 will they won't? They bullshit like the heels, I say, nope, 1310 02:08:24.119 --> 02:08:28.039 I got paid for thirty minutes. I'm only giving you thirty minutes, like 1311 02:08:28.760 --> 02:08:31.359 there is just Nope, We're just gonna go kick each other in the fucking 1312 02:08:31.359 --> 02:08:35.640 faces again for another five minutes. Well, and we talked about it on 1313 02:08:35.239 --> 02:08:43.840 Conquest Hopkins the great heel work by Lethal of just saying no, you're not 1314 02:08:43.880 --> 02:08:46.600 getting five minutes. I'm out of here and then ruining a title match that's 1315 02:08:46.640

--> 02:08:50.840 not happening here. No, there's just five more minutes of violence party. 1316 02:08:52.720 --> 02:08:56.760 So the fact that I have to ask you to save the line again, 1317 02:08:58.159 --> 02:09:03.319 but here have five more minutes. Yeah, the Homestar Runner reference in case, 1318 02:09:03.000 --> 02:09:05.439 No, I have no idea what that is, but that should look 1319 02:09:05.439 --> 02:09:09.800 it up. It tickled me. Look just look it up. Look up 1320 02:09:09.840 --> 02:09:16.079 Homestar Runner. Send you a link. Yeah, okay, I uh, 1321 02:09:16.159 --> 02:09:18.680 I have some some things to look at when I go to the gym later. 1322 02:09:18.720 --> 02:09:24.520 But yeah, that that's fucking hilarious. So the violence party continues for 1323 02:09:24.640 --> 02:09:30.159 five more minutes and only five more minutes. Um. We got an elbow 1324 02:09:30.239 --> 02:09:37.720 smash uh exchange between Kenda and Marafuji. Uh. Marfuji is put on his 1325 02:09:37.960 --> 02:09:46.560 neck in just the most disgusting way possible by Kenta. Hilariat um, and 1326 02:09:48.399 --> 02:09:54.760 eventually he hits the sheer nie ash breaks up the pin and Kena catches Marfuji 1327 02:09:54.920 --> 02:10:01.079 on top. We had a handspring backflip from Koda Bushi rope run top falcon 1328 02:10:01.199 --> 02:10:05.520 arrow by Kenta knock. Kajima makes to say phoenix splash from a booshee, 1329 02:10:05.880 --> 02:10:09.359 which looked just as beautiful in two thousand and eight as it does in twenty 1330 02:10:09.560 --> 02:10:18.079 twenty two. Mirafuji then starts hitting his stereo super kicks, one after the 1331 02:10:18.079 --> 02:10:22.720 other after the other on Kenta. Kenta comes right back with a boot cycuni 1332 02:10:22.840 --> 02:10:28.720 kick. All four men are down and overtime expires. We have a thirty 1333 02:10:28.720 --> 02:10:33.600 five minute draw. Oh my fuck, yes, give me more, just 1334 02:10:35.399 --> 02:10:39.960 more, keep more, five more minute? Yes, yes by just yeah 1335 02:10:39.000 --> 02:10:43.199 this is this, this can have a fight Forever chance. Yeah, I 1336 02:10:43.319 --> 02:10:46.720 just sent you a link and it's literally a minute and thirty second video clips. 1337 02:10:46.720 --> 02:10:50.000 So you're just gonna watch it on the air while I talk about this 1338 02:10:50.039 --> 02:10:54.640 match. Yeah, dude, like this. They're so it's like the Generico 1339 02:10:54.720 --> 02:11:03.239 match. Like there's no there's no like underlying lim work or slow building story. 1340 02:11:05.880 --> 02:11:09.920 He fin man, I need to be kicked in and hey, I 1341 02:11:11.039 --> 02:11:22.199 can do it. I will do it. Shut it up? Youtt it 1342 02:11:22.279 --> 02:11:33.359 up me? He do she have a trophy? I was saving that one 1343 02:11:33.399 --> 02:11:45.079 part about two seconds ago. Perfect timing. Here have a trophy. It 1344 02:11:45.319 --> 02:11:56.920 tickles me. Graded cartoon in the whole world have a trophy? That's where 1345 02:11:56.960 --> 02:12:09.479 I have a trophy? Game from Yes, yes, Um, well maybe 1346 02:12:09.479 --> 02:12:13.199 I don't know. Actually I don't know. I don't know. If it 1347 02:12:13.239 --> 02:12:16.680 did, it wasn't intentional. I'm trying to think of timing of when Homestar 1348 02:12:16.760 --> 02:12:22.760 Runner came in. If it was before after I uh started just yelling I 1349 02:12:22.800 --> 02:12:26.279 have a trophy. They might they might not be connected, or it might. 1350 02:12:26.319 --> 02:12:30.760 I don't really remember. If if I did, it wasn't a intentional 1351 02:12:31.079 --> 02:12:35.359 thing. Yes, Now now you know the goal the goodness of Homestar Runner. 1352 02:12:37.319 --> 02:12:41.239 Have a have a trophy, so great, I'm gonna just do that 1353 02:12:41.359 --> 02:12:46.600 from now on, I get new material. Now, uh, you should 1354 02:12:46.600 --> 02:12:52.439 watch plenty of Homestar Ride. Then you can learn about trog door Burnonator like 1355 02:12:52.760 --> 02:12:56.600 all right, brakes, you know. But yes, as I was saying, 1356 02:12:56.600 --> 02:13:01.600 like this match, like it's it's like the Generico, the Generico match 1357 02:13:01.600 --> 02:13:07.239 where it's just let's accept instead of twelve minutes or whatever, it's you know, 1358 02:13:07.319 --> 02:13:11.720 thirty five of just balls to the wall, fucking action and there's the 1359 02:13:11.800 --> 02:13:16.880 hard hitting stuff. Is what I personally like. So to me, like 1360 02:13:18.079 --> 02:13:24.920 I love Kinnamorrow and Brian, I think is the best match quote unquote like 1361 02:13:24.000 --> 02:13:31.479 full everything about wrestle, Yes, but this is this is what I think 1362 02:13:31.520 --> 02:13:37.000 wrestling is designed to be for me. 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to the show with several tiers to choose. Frun that started 1374 02:14:30.000 --> 02:14:33.600 just a few bucks a month, and each tier comes with more bonus perks 1375 02:14:33.720 --> 02:14:39.840 like bonus content, merch and so much more. Support the show at patreon 1376 02:14:39.920 --> 02:14:43.960 dot com slash an arble pod and get early, add free access, and 1377 02:14:43.079 --> 02:14:48.039 be worthy of an honorable mention. We follow that up with guess what a 1378 02:14:50.199 --> 02:14:54.199 suprise? It should have just called this show, not the Tokyo Summit, 1379 02:14:54.560 --> 02:15:05.239 the AOTF Summit. I thought Tokyo Summit was a fast and furious I don't 1380 02:15:05.239 --> 02:15:09.680 know when Tokyo Drift came out, though, I don't know if that's I 1381 02:15:09.760 --> 02:15:13.720 highly doubt that's guy I don't imagine. I can't picture Gabe watching Fast and 1382 02:15:13.720 --> 02:15:18.600 the Furious movies. Um, I mean he's spelling. And also I also 1383 02:15:18.640 --> 02:15:22.359 have no idea, and I also have no idea when that movie came Orald 1384 02:15:22.399 --> 02:15:24.960 tip to this show. No, it's a summit. It's a meeting, 1385 02:15:24.439 --> 02:15:30.199 you know, like the like the g One Summit, Like it's is that 1386 02:15:30.239 --> 02:15:35.239 what? It a g One summit? Um the political thing, the political 1387 02:15:35.319 --> 02:15:39.239 thing for the climate. Yeah, my head goes right to the wrestling. 1388 02:15:39.520 --> 02:15:43.800 Yes, I know, I know the client is the climate is fucked? 1389 02:15:43.319 --> 02:15:50.000 Yes, uh yeah, with the coming together of all these different promotions, 1390 02:15:50.039 --> 02:15:52.920 it's a summit and it's taking place in Tokyo. That's why. That's why 1391 02:15:52.920 --> 02:15:56.119 the name and the smatch is the best example of that because you have Proressing, 1392 02:15:56.239 --> 02:16:01.359 Noah, um Ken's Gale Office and ddt All in one match. So 1393 02:16:01.399 --> 02:16:07.520 this is this is the best match as an example of that summit idea. 1394 02:16:07.880 --> 02:16:11.359 Fair enough. I never really thought about it that way, but yeah, 1395 02:16:11.560 --> 02:16:18.159 um well, so from one g One Summit style match to Ages of the 1396 02:16:18.159 --> 02:16:22.039 Fall, Tyler firing, Jimmy Jacob's up for the world title match. Jimmy's 1397 02:16:22.039 --> 02:16:26.399 excited. Why do you need fired? Up for a Ring of Honor World 1398 02:16:26.399 --> 02:16:33.000 title match. It's the most important title in wrestling. It was, yeah, 1399 02:16:33.360 --> 02:16:37.799 right, yeah, yeah, it was at this point. Yes, 1400 02:16:37.879 --> 02:16:43.639 it was now we go, go go, let's now we go to the 1401 02:16:43.719 --> 02:16:50.760 next match. That just continues the Japanese always win, yeah obsession that the 1402 02:16:50.840 --> 02:16:56.879 message board had. But Brian actually the only exception. So I'll provide a 1403 02:16:56.959 --> 02:17:01.360 little bit more context on that, especially to the more modern Ring of Honor 1404 02:17:01.440 --> 02:17:07.280 era. Was fans got to the point where they were viewing the talent as 1405 02:17:07.399 --> 02:17:15.959 lesser than because the Okada's and Tanahashi's and you know, Omega and Suzuki and 1406 02:17:16.040 --> 02:17:20.280 whoever would come in and they would win every match they were in. So 1407 02:17:20.440 --> 02:17:26.479 you go back to the Noah period and Sazaki and uh Nakajima came in, 1408 02:17:26.879 --> 02:17:35.360 and you had Moreashima and Kenta and Marafuji and so on and so forth. 1409 02:17:37.200 --> 02:17:43.680 Ghoshia Zaki was not winning every match now, definitely not winning every match. 1410 02:17:43.040 --> 02:17:52.840 Is the win percentage for the foreign talent higher? Yes? Is it higher 1411 02:17:54.000 --> 02:17:58.159 because they come in and they're being paid lots of money and there a draw 1412 02:17:58.840 --> 02:18:03.719 as to why you're buying ticket to the show. Yes, we're not bringing 1413 02:18:03.719 --> 02:18:07.120 in the great mooda to put him under to to to moth, you know, 1414 02:18:07.479 --> 02:18:15.040 like, yes, so starting in fucking whining. Yeah, in retrospect 1415 02:18:15.479 --> 02:18:20.000 about the fact that the Japanese must win. We are bringing in Liger, 1416 02:18:20.879 --> 02:18:24.879 you know, for for you know, Joe and Keata beat him. We're 1417 02:18:24.920 --> 02:18:28.719 evening out for World War two. Term Okay, get over it? Wow, 1418 02:18:30.200 --> 02:18:39.360 good lord? You know mar Fuji did not Fujie had four title matches 1419 02:18:39.360 --> 02:18:43.760 and lost all of them. Yeah, yeah it was. It was a 1420 02:18:45.559 --> 02:18:54.680 lost the world title match in the Mad Centers two lost two of them. 1421 02:18:54.879 --> 02:19:01.559 Yeah, it just its upstairs. When was downstairs now one of those? 1422 02:19:03.760 --> 02:19:07.879 Yeah it was it now they're both upstairs. No, Nigel and Kenta downstairs? 1423 02:19:09.239 --> 02:19:11.840 Was it? Yep? I thought we had retreated by that point, 1424 02:19:13.879 --> 02:19:22.719 not yet the white flag was out, but it just hadn't been waiting Wait 1425 02:19:22.879 --> 02:19:28.280 wait wait yeah waved yep. He should have thrown the white flag. Roddy 1426 02:19:28.319 --> 02:19:33.040 should have thrown the white flag right away. Yeah, no, I mean 1427 02:19:33.079 --> 02:19:35.280 this is I read two are a couple of views that called this match a 1428 02:19:35.360 --> 02:19:39.399 squash, Like it's not a squash. Roddy gets all his shit in, 1429 02:19:39.520 --> 02:19:43.440 like I think calling it a twelve minute match, a squash where one person 1430 02:19:43.520 --> 02:19:46.319 gets all of their shit in is kind of not understanding what it squashes, 1431 02:19:46.319 --> 02:19:50.920 and they need to go watch themselves some fucking nineteen eighty Superstars matches to really

1432 02:19:50.000 --> 02:19:54.719 understand what squash means. Um. By the way, or did you see 1433 02:19:54.799 --> 02:19:58.600 Ernie's thread post he shared of like all it's like a screenshot of all of 1434 02:19:58.639 --> 02:20:07.280 the job guys from like over the years from w WFTV Facebook. Yeah, 1435 02:20:07.360 --> 02:20:13.680 yeah, yeah on Facebook. Oh here's some he banished me from being that. 1436 02:20:13.680 --> 02:20:20.120 That's right. I don't blame him. I'm fine on Facebook. Uh, 1437 02:20:20.479 --> 02:20:24.040 but it's just it's get It's a glorious look at like seeing you know, 1438 02:20:24.120 --> 02:20:26.799 some guys who would go on to like do stuff and just like the 1439 02:20:26.879 --> 02:20:31.840 guys like higher profile stuff, right that just the journeyman guys or you know, 1440 02:20:33.000 --> 02:20:39.040 seeing a Freddy Joe Floyd pop up in there speaking of completely as of 1441 02:20:39.239 --> 02:20:41.920 completely going off the rails in this. But my so, I my kid 1442 02:20:43.000 --> 02:20:46.159 gat we got him like a wrestling book or bought a wrestling but like the 1443 02:20:46.159 --> 02:20:50.920 book fair or whatever, and it's like probably six or seven eight years out 1444 02:20:50.920 --> 02:20:52.799 of date in terms of what's in the content of the w w F book. 1445 02:20:54.159 --> 02:20:56.479 But one of the book, one of the pages is about Barry Horowitz 1446 02:20:56.840 --> 02:21:01.719 because it's like a longest losing streaks or longest winning streaks stuff like that. 1447 02:21:03.040 --> 02:21:07.559 So the fact that my kid is reading about Barry Horrowitz amused me. You 1448 02:21:07.600 --> 02:21:11.360 should tell him that the song that Barry Horwitz came through the ring too, 1449 02:21:11.440 --> 02:21:18.399 the play every Jewish Festival embar mitzvah Hagia. Yes, but my my, 1450 02:21:18.600 --> 02:21:22.879 So my point of all this being that this is not a squash no no 1451 02:21:24.000 --> 02:21:30.360 means what a squash match is? Is it roddy like looking like the future 1452 02:21:30.360 --> 02:21:35.040 world champion that he is. I mean, he's in there with fucking power 1453 02:21:35.159 --> 02:21:39.360 Warrior. He's in there with, you know, a former world champion, 1454 02:21:39.719 --> 02:21:45.559 a former US champion, former US champion, and he's like, he's in 1455 02:21:45.600 --> 02:21:52.319 there with somebody who's I think is He's not on the level of Massawo's, 1456 02:21:52.360 --> 02:22:00.000 Kobashi's Kawadas. But I feel like that next tier down I would get. 1457 02:22:00.000 --> 02:22:03.799 I would say the Tawa tier, but I mean I think two now two 1458 02:22:05.000 --> 02:22:09.399 is a four? Two is a pillar homie. Yeah, it's like the 1459 02:22:09.479 --> 02:22:18.159 Ogawa Tier, the Oceanario Ogawatier, the the the tier with um, this 1460 02:22:18.200 --> 02:22:26.159 would be Annotta Tiergata Yeah yeah, then Negatta tire and that's perfect. Then 1461 02:22:26.239 --> 02:22:31.239 the goat attends on Kojima tier. Yeah, now where it's like he's he's 1462 02:22:31.239 --> 02:22:39.479 a big deal. He's not like the the the aside from his own promotions 1463 02:22:39.479 --> 02:22:45.280 like the one you're building everything around, but you know he's you bring him 1464 02:22:45.280 --> 02:22:50.040 in, put him in the dome Kabashi. Yeah, you're gonna get You're 1465 02:22:50.079 --> 02:22:54.440 selling. You're selling some fucking tickets and putting some masses in seats. Yeah. 1466 02:22:54.520 --> 02:22:58.559 And and people are still gonna be talking about that show seventeen years later, 1467 02:22:58.239 --> 02:23:09.479 yes, um, which I mean to me like I always looked at 1468 02:23:09.680 --> 02:23:22.040 South k as like the guy from WC again, right, and then Ken's 1469 02:23:22.120 --> 02:23:26.120 k office opens and he's gonna go te and he's got this, you know, 1470 02:23:26.719 --> 02:23:35.879 ginormous chest and he's huge, and I'm like, whoa, he grew 1471 02:23:35.000 --> 02:23:39.440 up. Yeah, he looks like an old man now, yeah, except 1472 02:23:39.440 --> 02:23:46.920 he was a young in Yeah, he was probably twenty one or twenty two 1473 02:23:46.159 --> 02:23:52.639 in in like the early nineties, you know when I would have been first 1474 02:23:52.680 --> 02:23:58.959 exposed, like ninety two ish ninety three, Um, so you know, 1475 02:24:00.159 --> 02:24:05.639 and he was totally different than like, huh, who's I can't think of 1476 02:24:05.639 --> 02:24:15.760 what the hell the guy's name of thinking of the okay Intensia, thank you. 1477 02:24:16.719 --> 02:24:20.200 Massira Chono was over there like he in in Uh. Ken's K had 1478 02:24:20.200 --> 02:24:31.479 a match on Darcade ninety two maybe for the quote unquote NWA title one version 1479 02:24:31.520 --> 02:24:37.440 of it. Um you know, because Flaira was still up north, so 1480 02:24:37.840 --> 02:24:43.760 like he was a star to me, like you know, a childhood star. 1481 02:24:45.600 --> 02:24:48.040 Um. So to see him mix it up in the Ring of honor 1482 02:24:48.120 --> 02:24:52.159 the world was was really cool. And to go against Roddy, I thought 1483 02:24:52.239 --> 02:24:58.280 was perfect because to me, Roddy is the polar opposite. He's a hard 1484 02:24:58.360 --> 02:25:05.280 hitter, yes, much like Ken's K, but Roddy is so fast and 1485 02:25:05.479 --> 02:25:13.280 Ken's K is just gonna make Roddy pinball and balance and no, like it's 1486 02:25:13.799 --> 02:25:18.280 it's not Roddy versus Samoa Joe. It's it's different. And that's kind of 1487 02:25:18.280 --> 02:25:24.399 what I was expecting going in was like a Roddy versus Joe match, But 1488 02:25:24.680 --> 02:25:30.360 sas K is a kind of a statue here in this match, like in 1489 02:25:30.399 --> 02:25:33.639 a good way, like he's he's stable and and Roddy can do all of 1490 02:25:33.680 --> 02:25:39.719 his stuff. And try to hit hard with him, and these guys

are 1491 02:25:39.840 --> 02:25:46.600 just beating a shit out of each other's chest. Um. I would say, 1492 02:25:46.680 --> 02:25:50.000 you know, this is like one big, meaty man slapping a smaller 1493 02:25:50.000 --> 02:26:00.520 man. But Roddy is he is just eating every one of the shops from 1494 02:26:00.559 --> 02:26:07.159 Ken's Skate and it's it's unbelievable, like they're they're giving it as good as 1495 02:26:07.159 --> 02:26:16.159 they're getting and it's just awesome. Um. And it's also too like all 1496 02:26:16.239 --> 02:26:20.440 right that this match is definitely yeah, I seventy thirty, you know, 1497 02:26:20.600 --> 02:26:26.399 sixty thirty five, it's it's obviously Ken's Gate dominated, but put it also 1498 02:26:26.440 --> 02:26:30.760 in the context of where I think where they're at as well, like and 1499 02:26:30.959 --> 02:26:33.319 you know, as we're talking about Ken's Skate's history and who is Cache, 1500 02:26:33.319 --> 02:26:39.280 Like Roddy has wrestled and Dragon Gate a couple of times. He has no 1501 02:26:41.600 --> 02:26:48.520 Japanese like resume at this point. So the fact that it's even that like 1502 02:26:48.600 --> 02:26:54.159 this is this is you know, there's a perpetually constant this is a showcase 1503 02:26:54.159 --> 02:26:56.079 for Roddy to like, you know, put him in there the ring with 1504 02:26:56.120 --> 02:27:00.840 one of these you a someone of you know, the stature of Ken's Kay 1505 02:27:01.559 --> 02:27:03.879 and Roddy takes as good as he gets. It's just most of it, 1506 02:27:05.000 --> 02:27:09.120 you know, It's as it probably should be. Uh know, it's a 1507 02:27:09.559 --> 02:27:13.479 Ken's Sky dominated match. But Roddy does not. I don't think it. 1508 02:27:13.760 --> 02:27:18.319 Riddy does not come out of it looking any worse, No, not at 1509 02:27:18.319 --> 02:27:20.520 all. In fact, I think Roddy actually comes out of it winning by 1510 02:27:20.600 --> 02:27:28.079 losing m h in this because he hung in there physically with Sazaki and who 1511 02:27:31.280 --> 02:27:35.920 I mean Or's for having them heavy hands. Yeah, I mean those those 1512 02:27:37.280 --> 02:27:46.879 stone hands, I you know, go and Sazaki and Eric Stevens and Roddy 1513 02:27:48.319 --> 02:27:52.159 like just throw them all in a fall away and Eddie and Eddie, Eddie 1514 02:27:52.200 --> 02:27:58.639 Edwards, Eddie Edward, yes, all those versions of Edward Edward Edwards Eddie's 1515 02:28:00.520 --> 02:28:05.479 um like throw them on a five way and then like I don't know, 1516 02:28:05.600 --> 02:28:11.520 for ships and giggles, throw Jack Evans in there to see what happens. 1517 02:28:11.600 --> 02:28:16.040 I don't know. I don't know who the sixth greatest chopper in all the 1518 02:28:16.079 --> 02:28:24.639 world is. Um the homie from AIW Josh Bishop. He's he's got allowed 1519 02:28:26.600 --> 02:28:31.200 shot gun that he attaches to his arm. Um. I think it's a 1520 02:28:31.280 --> 02:28:35.559 quarterback thing that Harry's overhand was always one as well. That I y, 1521 02:28:35.760 --> 02:28:43.440 Yeah, that will be for sure. The left handed overhand chopp Yeah look 1522 02:28:43.520 --> 02:28:50.520 beautiful, sounded awful. Oh yeah, but these guys do a twelve eighteen. 1523 02:28:52.280 --> 02:28:56.079 Roddy does get death by Roderick and the sick kick in and that gets 1524 02:28:56.079 --> 02:29:03.280 a two count Sazaki hits the lariat in the Northern Light's bomb signature finishing move 1525 02:29:03.319 --> 02:29:07.879 and gets the win. Um Ken's k office is come into the States for 1526 02:29:09.000 --> 02:29:11.120 glory by honor. So that was another legend I got to check off my 1527 02:29:11.200 --> 02:29:18.719 bucket list, which was super cool. And after the match is over, 1528 02:29:18.959 --> 02:29:26.559 there's a mutual showing of respect and this was probably the first time I recall 1529 02:29:26.760 --> 02:29:35.959 seeing Roddy showing more of a humanistic emotional side to him as a because like 1530 02:29:37.040 --> 02:29:43.079 there's there's wrestling Roderick Strong, and then there's like party boy, frat boy 1531 02:29:43.200 --> 02:29:48.040 wild Roderick Strong that we've come to know and love, and this was like, 1532 02:29:48.440 --> 02:29:54.159 oh the shoot name actually a little bit a little bit humbled, I 1533 02:29:54.239 --> 02:29:58.559 think, yeah, And that that moment by Ken's Gay's response to him, 1534 02:29:58.120 --> 02:30:03.360 you know at the end, it was a nice, a nice moment. 1535 02:30:05.879 --> 02:30:07.840 And then he came to the back and talked about how he carried him to 1536 02:30:07.879 --> 02:30:11.600 the match, carried him to a good match and the old match. I'm 1537 02:30:11.680 --> 02:30:16.479 kidding, I'm completely kidding, carried him Bro, bring me a rock Star 1538 02:30:16.559 --> 02:30:22.280 Kansky Blue Blue. It was. It was good stuff. It's not it's 1539 02:30:22.319 --> 02:30:26.280 not a blowaway match. You know, you're not getting Joe Kobashi out of 1540 02:30:26.280 --> 02:30:28.680 this ship, but you know it's a solid match, entertaining, entertaining enough, 1541 02:30:30.319 --> 02:30:33.639 continuing the violence, uh, the celebration of violence that has been the 1542 02:30:33.719 --> 02:30:39.159 last two matches prior to as well. Yeah, a nice little three piecer 1543 02:30:41.159 --> 02:30:45.959 uh in the middle of the show here and then um, you should have 1544 02:30:46.000 --> 02:30:50.079 just ended the show now, Yeah, I mean now it guess and no, 1545 02:30:50.479 --> 02:30:54.799 I'm so. The first thing I want to say is is our main 1546 02:30:54.840 --> 02:30:58.520 event is the Ring of Honor World title match, not just McGinnis defending against 1547 02:31:00.000 --> 02:31:11.559 Amy Jacobs. And unfortunately, I don't believe there is any way to address 1548 02:31:11.680 --> 02:31:18.200 this directly without just kind of talking about the

elephant in the corner of the 1549 02:31:18.280 --> 02:31:24.479 room. In this show is bookended by both members of Age of the Fall 1550 02:31:24.879 --> 02:31:33.959 that made this trip, and it sucks because the opener didn't click as we 1551 02:31:35.079 --> 02:31:39.680 talked about with Aries and Tyler, and it just didn't seem like it was 1552 02:31:39.760 --> 02:31:48.440 something that that audience was familiar with. Now you fast forward to the main 1553 02:31:48.479 --> 02:31:54.319 event. You have Nigel, who Noah fans recognize, but you have Jimmy 1554 02:31:54.440 --> 02:32:03.799 Jacobs who's small and has a very gothic style look to him, and he's 1555 02:32:03.840 --> 02:32:09.159 going to be fighting this bigger, you know, strong style British strong style 1556 02:32:09.479 --> 02:32:18.200 heavyweight, and it's kind of a mismatch on paper, But then you look 1557 02:32:18.239 --> 02:32:24.120 at this card and you look at what they're following, and you feel bad 1558 02:32:24.159 --> 02:32:30.520 for both Nigel and Jimmy. It's virtually impossible for these two guys, no 1559 02:32:30.559 --> 02:32:39.280 matter what kind of match they have, to even just fall into the category 1560 02:32:39.399 --> 02:32:50.280 of standout in positioning here, It's really like, this match on paper sounds 1561 02:32:50.319 --> 02:32:58.920 appealing to me, but they're gonna follow Roddy and Ken's k that tag match 1562 02:32:58.120 --> 02:33:03.440 Brian and can Maru. Maybe this wasn't the show for a Ring of Honor 1563 02:33:03.479 --> 02:33:09.360 World title match. It definitely was not, um I can tell you that 1564 02:33:09.440 --> 02:33:15.000 it was not. This being the main event was not looked upon finally by 1565 02:33:16.440 --> 02:33:20.840 anyone certain parts of the office. I'm not sorry. Within the office oh 1566 02:33:20.959 --> 02:33:26.760 yeah. The one person said it was embarrassing to have this as the main 1567 02:33:26.799 --> 02:33:33.159 event, which I thought was harsh. Um. I think it just now. 1568 02:33:33.440 --> 02:33:35.360 You know, at the time too, I was a great agreement that 1569 02:33:37.920 --> 02:33:41.079 it was not the right match for this. I think it was looked at 1570 02:33:41.079 --> 02:33:46.520 as you know, we're going to Japan for these two shows, and it's 1571 02:33:46.639 --> 02:33:56.000 more putting, more like, I don't know, we this is where you 1572 02:33:56.040 --> 02:34:01.600 put Brian and Nigel, but we already did it the night before, all 1573 02:34:01.680 --> 02:34:07.639 right, Nigel in areas or Nigel against it, Morishima or more Fuji again, 1574 02:34:07.959 --> 02:34:09.280 like one of those. This is the show that can kind of show 1575 02:34:09.319 --> 02:34:15.440 where you put the world title match out there as something special. Maybe they 1576 02:34:15.479 --> 02:34:20.000 can't be done any other time. Like this match is perfectly fine in front 1577 02:34:20.000 --> 02:34:26.959 of you know, our

traditional, our typical audiences, because they're far more 1578 02:34:26.040 --> 02:34:33.120 invested in this than the audience here would be. You know, they're more 1579 02:34:33.159 --> 02:34:37.680 invested in the age of the false story and what's been going on with that, 1580 02:34:37.959 --> 02:34:43.520 and as opposed to this crowd who is virtually might as well not be 1581 02:34:43.639 --> 02:34:50.760 there. Aside from the last few minutes when they finally start to get sucked 1582 02:34:50.799 --> 02:34:56.639 into it. The fact that you have, you know, also for the 1583 02:34:56.760 --> 02:35:01.760 sense of like you know, we're talking about the DVD buying audience and that 1584 02:35:01.959 --> 02:35:05.520 being a product for that Like, Okay, well, in that world, 1585 02:35:05.120 --> 02:35:11.600 this is a uber heel champion against a uber heel contender. You know, 1586 02:35:11.680 --> 02:35:15.840 there's just not a a there's no no, neither character here is in any 1587 02:35:15.920 --> 02:35:20.120 kind of gray area. They are both the bad guys. Yeah, so 1588 02:35:20.239 --> 02:35:26.639 there's not that either. And I think part of that too was you know, 1589 02:35:26.760 --> 02:35:30.639 I think part of that was also, at least from certain members of 1590 02:35:30.680 --> 02:35:35.520 the office was probably also just a general like what's what's the That's what I'm 1591 02:35:35.559 --> 02:35:41.680 looking for the Sizest award? Yes, like that, uh, you know, 1592 02:35:41.760 --> 02:35:45.440 looking at you know, at Jimmy is is that you know, the 1593 02:35:45.479 --> 02:35:48.000 same person who said it was embarrassing would have been the one who would have 1594 02:35:48.040 --> 02:35:54.719 been talking about it in that regards like makes sense, you know, I 1595 02:35:54.799 --> 02:36:01.879 it it just was the wrong man event whether even though it made even though 1596 02:36:01.920 --> 02:36:11.319 it made sense from a story standpoint. You know, Jimmy had beaten Brian, 1597 02:36:11.879 --> 02:36:15.360 you know, tapped out Brian. We talked about that when we interviewed 1598 02:36:15.399 --> 02:36:20.559 Jimmy about Nigel's promo. In relation to that, kind of bearing Jimmy after 1599 02:36:20.600 --> 02:36:26.840 the fact, knowing he's going to have to wrestle Jimmy. Um. But 1600 02:36:26.959 --> 02:36:31.319 like so this match had had had a reason for existing, just wrong place, 1601 02:36:31.559 --> 02:36:37.280 wrong wrong time. Yeah, and in the match itself, I mean, 1602 02:36:37.319 --> 02:36:43.440 they tried really hard. It's just I was not I worn't their fucking 1603 02:36:43.479 --> 02:36:50.159 asses off for sure. I was not in the mood for this kind of 1604 02:36:50.159 --> 02:36:54.559 match. After I think, I think you kind of had to use the 1605 02:36:54.920 --> 02:37:01.200 plunder or in the cheating and the real heely tactics to level the playing field. 1606 02:37:01.239 --> 02:37:05.319 I mean you, I mean, it's not this is not an insulting 1607 02:37:05.360 --> 02:37:11.399 way at all, but there's a drastic difference. We are talking a light 1608 02:37:11.879 --> 02:37:16.000 a light heavyweight versus a true heavyweight here. Yes, if we're gonna go 1609 02:37:16.040 --> 02:37:24.920 into weight gases, six two fifty pound Nigel versus you know, five eleven, 1610 02:37:26.079 --> 02:37:28.559 five ten, five nine whatever, Jimmy was about the same height as 1611 02:37:28.600 --> 02:37:33.479 you and I, uh, you know, five seven eight, maybe two 1612 02:37:33.600 --> 02:37:37.760 hundred small pounds, maybe two hundred pounds at his heaviest at the heaviest, 1613 02:37:37.879 --> 02:37:43.079 Which isn't this not that you know you think this was the heaviest. No, 1614 02:37:43.200 --> 02:37:45.799 No, that's what I'm saying, which is not not okay, saying 1615 02:37:45.799 --> 02:37:50.399 at his heaviest I could ever even visualize in maybe two hundred pounds legitimately, 1616 02:37:50.799 --> 02:37:56.239 Like there's a huge difference, you know, in the two And I think 1617 02:37:56.280 --> 02:38:01.239 part of that is also going back to the audience is playing in front of 1618 02:38:03.879 --> 02:38:11.200 I've the they're very clear, especially in two thousand and eight delineations of weight 1619 02:38:11.319 --> 02:38:16.840 classes. You know, in a singles match, it wasn't it wasn't a 1620 02:38:16.879 --> 02:38:22.600 common thing for the juniors to wrestle the heavyweights in a singles match. You'd 1621 02:38:22.600 --> 02:38:26.520 see it sometimes like Jim, that's I'm saying, that's I'm saying, like 1622 02:38:26.639 --> 02:38:31.159 you would see it like Kents Trial series for example, where he basically wrestles 1623 02:38:31.200 --> 02:38:41.879 nothing, almost nothing but heavyweights. She's you know, but I think it's 1624 02:38:41.959 --> 02:38:48.600 yeah, it was this head match had everything working against it for nothing working 1625 02:38:48.719 --> 02:38:54.120 for it. Aside from the actual work the two guys are putting in anywhere 1626 02:38:54.120 --> 02:39:00.440 else this match, they played far better, far better. Yeah, I 1627 02:39:01.040 --> 02:39:03.559 definitely say if this was in the States, I think people would have definitely 1628 02:39:03.559 --> 02:39:07.760 been talking about this one for a while. It's just after the way this 1629 02:39:07.840 --> 02:39:13.600 card was structured, I maybe would have considered putting this to open the show. 1630 02:39:15.760 --> 02:39:18.959 Now, I would have finished with something while swaps the swaps the two 1631 02:39:18.959 --> 02:39:26.200 title matches. It would be my fantasy rebooking Raleoda died. Holy shit, 1632 02:39:28.840 --> 02:39:39.319 it's unfortunate. Sixty seven years old. That's sad. I don't is it 1633 02:39:39.399 --> 02:39:43.040 a Dominican Republic shooting a movie and died in his sleep is all it says 1634 02:39:43.040 --> 02:39:50.680 at this point.

Damn. Unfortunately, this match dies at the twenty one 1635 02:39:50.719 --> 02:39:54.959 minute in two second mark after a job breaker lariat from Nigel to Jimmy Jacobs. 1636 02:39:56.680 --> 02:40:03.319 And to be honest, I mean these guys got a little bit of 1637 02:40:03.520 --> 02:40:07.200 noise from the crowd and a little bit of physicality from the crowd at the 1638 02:40:07.440 --> 02:40:18.360 end after all the weaponry and violence of a different variety. I don't know 1639 02:40:18.680 --> 02:40:22.040 this, This is just a it's a weird main event. I felt really 1640 02:40:22.079 --> 02:40:28.799 bad for Jimmy and Nigel for where they were placed on the show. Yeah, 1641 02:40:28.840 --> 02:40:33.600 I mean this is I hate to like say all the show ended with 1642 02:40:33.680 --> 02:40:37.719 a dud. It didn't but like to go from the highest of highs and 1643 02:40:37.840 --> 02:40:46.719 that tag match to no offect Like I love Nigel and I love Jimmy and 1644 02:40:45.360 --> 02:40:54.559 it's a huge drop off and clearly this crowd needed something too. And you 1645 02:40:54.639 --> 02:40:58.399 know, and the night on and Roddy and Ken's k was kind of used 1646 02:40:58.399 --> 02:41:03.719 as a buffer. That didn't help. Yeah, people were more into that 1647 02:41:03.840 --> 02:41:11.360 than this. M hmm. I just yeah, I just saved this match 1648 02:41:11.600 --> 02:41:16.799 for the States. I don't know when you have done it. I mean 1649 02:41:16.840 --> 02:41:20.399 you had time. Nigel's is a champ for another Uh well no, but 1650 02:41:20.600 --> 02:41:26.239 I mean you have those months, you have glory by honor, with the 1651 02:41:26.319 --> 02:41:33.719 Steelcage Warfare coming, you have you know, the eventual blowoff with change it 1652 02:41:33.920 --> 02:41:37.239 will you have the title change it? Driven m when it's the first show 1653 02:41:37.280 --> 02:41:43.520 coming back to the States, like, yeah, it's so yeah, maybe 1654 02:41:43.680 --> 02:41:54.200 maybe is just flipping Brian and Nigel. Yeah yeah, but then I mean 1655 02:41:54.239 --> 02:41:58.840 you're gonna do Jimmy Jacobs and Yoshinobu kanamorrow on this. No, no, 1656 02:41:58.840 --> 02:42:01.479 no, no, no, I'm not talking flipping Brian. I'm talking flipping 1657 02:42:01.479 --> 02:42:09.959 the matches like the JC match goes last. H No, I'm not fucking 1658 02:42:09.120 --> 02:42:15.079 now now, Okay, Yeah, I could get with that. Noah, 1659 02:42:15.680 --> 02:42:18.799 and they're on a positive roh note. Yeah, but we're just a guy 1660 02:42:20.319 --> 02:42:22.680 and you and you and you have you have to do. I feel like 1661 02:42:22.680 --> 02:42:26.360 you're obligated into a title match because they didn't. You know, Gabe did 1662 02:42:26.399 --> 02:42:30.399 not book a title match on the first night on the dragon Gate portion of 1663 02:42:30.399 --> 02:42:33.079 events, which, by the way, I was wrong. Aside from the 1664 02:42:33.079 --> 02:42:39.159 main event of Live in Osaka does shows that weekend, we're also very clearly 1665 02:42:39.200 --> 02:42:48.559 delineated um of of the Noah Show and the dragon Gate Show. That's uh, 1666 02:42:50.040 --> 02:42:52.520 but I mean you had to give one one of the nights had to 1667 02:42:52.559 --> 02:42:56.639 have a title match. Fair So since they did Brian and Nigel non titled 1668 02:42:56.639 --> 02:42:58.879 the night before, I think, you know, Gabe had to put something 1669 02:43:00.000 --> 02:43:03.959 of title match, yeah, or else you're gonna do it, I guess, 1670 02:43:05.040 --> 02:43:07.840 And I don't know if maybe the I don't know if maybe the also 1671 02:43:07.920 --> 02:43:11.680 the oversaturation of Jimmy on this show, like both in front of the live 1672 02:43:11.840 --> 02:43:16.280 audience and if you factor in the DVD portion of it too, there's what 1673 02:43:16.440 --> 02:43:22.040 two backstage promos on top of the you know ten three from all well the 1674 02:43:22.120 --> 02:43:24.280 ten minute promo on the DVD. But what I'm saying, just in the 1675 02:43:24.280 --> 02:43:28.520 timeline of the event, you have, you know, multiple backstage promos, 1676 02:43:28.680 --> 02:43:31.079 you know, multiple run ins before you even get to his actual match. 1677 02:43:31.719 --> 02:43:37.879 Ye. So there's there's a definitely oversaturation of of Jimmy on the show before 1678 02:43:37.879 --> 02:43:41.879 you can get to the title match. And I think that was kind of 1679 02:43:41.920 --> 02:43:45.520 the way of like introducing him to the audience and kind of trying to give 1680 02:43:45.600 --> 02:43:50.639 him some credibility heading into the main event. But I don't think it worked. 1681 02:43:50.479 --> 02:43:54.559 Um. But on the whole, this was a really good show. 1682 02:43:56.680 --> 02:44:01.200 Um. I think it's a fine show with some really good match with it, 1683 02:44:01.239 --> 02:44:09.760 with two really exceptional matches. And I would say like four things or 1684 02:44:09.879 --> 02:44:16.280 must see. I would throw Roddy Kensk the tag kind of Maroon, Danielson 1685 02:44:16.600 --> 02:44:22.159 and Ishi Mori and Jennerico's must see. And then if you're not watching any 1686 02:44:22.200 --> 02:44:26.520 of those and you want to watch something from this, then go watch Nigel 1687 02:44:26.600 --> 02:44:31.159 and Jimmy. Yeah. On its tone, um, and imagine that people 1688 02:44:31.159 --> 02:44:37.040 are making noise the whole time fights or wherever. Yeah, there you go, 1689 02:44:37.719 --> 02:44:41.159 please don't st and you're both these guys, both these guys. Oh 1690 02:44:41.280 --> 02:44:46.840 yeah, that's another fuck that chant. Yeah, none of these guys, 1691 02:44:46.840 --> 02:44:50.799 how about that one? None of these guys, None of these guys. 1692 02:44:50.840 --> 02:44:54.520 I could definitely think of some matches I would have enchanted that for the show 1693 02:44:54.920 --> 02:44:58.760 just in

general. Yeah, I've got several off the top of my head. 1694 02:45:00.319 --> 02:45:05.079 Yeah. Um, but that wraps up Tokyo Summit. Final thoughts on 1695 02:45:05.079 --> 02:45:11.399 our two hundredth show partner two hundred. Um, we were about six hours 1696 02:45:11.399 --> 02:45:15.600 shy, we should have gone another six hours. I don't know. House 1697 02:45:15.799 --> 02:45:20.200 stretches into another six hours. But you know, I gotta run some errands 1698 02:45:20.280 --> 02:45:24.079 before I go to my flight to Vegas, um, which leaves in three 1699 02:45:24.159 --> 02:45:28.520 I have to leave at the airport in three and a half hours. Um. 1700 02:45:28.719 --> 02:45:31.040 Yeah, and I need to go to the gym and then I gotta 1701 02:45:31.079 --> 02:45:35.159 do real work. Um. I have to go get my My gym sells 1702 02:45:35.200 --> 02:45:39.959 a little individual, single serving protein packets, which are perfect for travel because 1703 02:45:39.000 --> 02:45:43.399 I never can't take a whole jug of protein on the road of the airplane 1704 02:45:45.799 --> 02:45:54.360 too big. Um. GNC just sent me almost GHC GNC rhet sign me 1705 02:45:54.440 --> 02:45:58.079 up for like a box every couple of months that they as send you. 1706 02:46:00.040 --> 02:46:05.520 This came with like a little mini protein packets. Yeah, gummy worm powder 1707 02:46:05.639 --> 02:46:09.040 protein. So I'm gonna try that and see what it does. There's no 1708 02:46:09.159 --> 02:46:11.719 gncs anywhere near me anymore. I don't even know where there is one, 1709 02:46:11.559 --> 02:46:18.399 it's still in the mall driving there is no mall store. I have two 1710 02:46:18.440 --> 02:46:22.159 malls, there's not one in either mall. The freestanding stores that as far 1711 02:46:22.159 --> 02:46:24.879 as they know, we're gone. So I'm vitamin in the world guys. 1712 02:46:24.920 --> 02:46:28.440 It's right by my gym anyway. Yeah, so we've got Vitamin Shop here 1713 02:46:28.440 --> 02:46:37.280 too, but umatamin different things. Um, but the GNC is the second 1714 02:46:37.360 --> 02:46:43.479 most profitable store in the mall. Given the general states of malls, that 1715 02:46:43.760 --> 02:46:50.600 probably doesn't mean much. Our JD Sports is the single largest revenue driver of 1716 02:46:50.840 --> 02:46:56.959 any retail like mall store in the state of ohiole Um, it's nice. 1717 02:46:56.399 --> 02:47:01.719 It actually got promoted from finish line to j D Sports. I don't know 1718 02:47:01.760 --> 02:47:07.040 what that means. Do think of like um Target and then like Super Target 1719 02:47:09.559 --> 02:47:13.639 just as groceries. Yeah, but like that's what I'm saying, Like they 1720 02:47:13.719 --> 02:47:20.479 have extra stuff now, so good? Yeah they have They have clothes instead 1721 02:47:20.520 --> 02:47:26.239 of groceries and then to shoes. All right. So that wraps us up 1722 02:47:26.239 --> 02:47:31.840 for Tokyo Summit. We look ahead to some social

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It could be a movie one day. 1754 02:50:16.920 --> 02:50:22.440 Yeah, screenplay you can play Carrie, Oh yeah, you guys, you 1755 02:50:22.440 --> 02:50:28.879 guys, and how to play craps in place craps plays most make sure when 1756 02:50:28.879 --> 02:50:31.319 you go to our Twitter go vote for the best in the World pool. 1757 02:50:31.840 --> 02:50:37.280 Yes, vote, jumping your head up to your upcoming events and get the 1758 02:50:37.280 --> 02:50:41.879 funk out of here and get our ship done. Just remember, if you 1759 02:50:43.159 --> 02:50:46.319 vote, then you have an opinion and you're allowed to have one. If 1760 02:50:46.319 --> 02:50:54.239 you don't vote, go fuck yourself. Next week Night of Champions two thousand 1761 02:50:54.280 --> 02:50:58.079 and three, we will finally cover the origin of Samoa Joe, my favorite 1762 02:50:58.120 --> 02:51:03.719 wrestler of all time time. And I don't think that's something that's going to 1763 02:51:03.760 --> 02:51:07.600 be changing like on an hourly basis, like everybody suspects it probably will. 1764 02:51:09.120 --> 02:51:11.399 Um, I'm pretty sure I got Joe locked in there at number one. 1765 02:51:13.239 --> 02:51:16.760 Then we'll do the best in the World poll, and then I am going 1766 02:51:16.799 --> 02:51:18.920 to break some news to SHANEA. Hague. You picked the show finally I 1767 02:51:20.040 --> 02:51:31.840 picked the show A Survival of the Fittest twenty eighteen. In parentheses, I 1768 02:51:31.879 --> 02:51:41.559 wrote Jeff's least favorite show he's ever attended. Who's Jeff me? To your 1769 02:51:41.600 --> 02:51:48.120 host? Yes? Now, sorry, my okay, it is It is 1770 02:51:48.159 --> 02:51:52.959 amongst the worst professional wrestling shows I have ever. Oh, I remember when 1771 02:51:52.959 --> 02:52:01.639 you went to this now and I had a fit. Yes, this was 1772 02:52:01.719 --> 02:52:07.319 when Rhett lost his phone on the Jericho Nars. Okay, let narrow it 1773 02:52:07.360 --> 02:52:13.120 down Jericho Cruz circa twenty eighteen, UM. So we'll talk about that, 1774 02:52:13.520 --> 02:52:18.079 we'll talk about Bird having to come find me, and we'll talk about my 1775 02:52:18.159 --> 02:52:26.360 conversation with Gary Jester that night, which elicited me actually doing the garry and 1776 02:52:26.719 --> 02:52:31.239 right in front of him and him having absolutely no clue what I was talking 1777 02:52:31.239 --> 02:52:37.239 about. So survival will finish. It's on this show. Yeah, you 1778 02:52:37.479 --> 02:52:41.639 just sources on the shows. Yeah, the f I don't know who Guerrero 1779 02:52:41.879 --> 02:52:48.719 Maya Junior is. Um jagaloon they found from Mexico. Andrew Everett's on this 1780 02:52:48.799 --> 02:52:56.000 show. Not

good. You know who does commentary on this show? Oh, 1781 02:52:56.479 --> 02:53:05.079 Rhet Titus instead of Guerrero Mayo Junior or whatever his name is. Rhett 1782 02:53:05.319 --> 02:53:13.399 is doing commentary and the Triple a Fella or CML or whatever. He's in 1783 02:53:13.479 --> 02:53:18.520 a match. It's ridiculous. Hangman versus Colin de Laney and Dalton Castle. 1784 02:53:20.319 --> 02:53:28.440 H he has some interesting matches. And this was brought to you by Marijuana. 1785 02:53:28.639 --> 02:53:35.280 The favorite product of the Ring of Honor. Booker at the time, 1786 02:53:35.760 --> 02:53:41.200 m hmm. Interesting. At least it's some survival of the fittest and all 1787 02:53:41.239 --> 02:53:48.000 done one night, not like twenty seventeen, which lasted three nights. Well 1788 02:53:48.200 --> 02:53:54.600 this one, why have fuck or all the survival of the fist multiple nights? 1789 02:53:54.959 --> 02:54:01.479 There was a Columbus Toledo one yeah, twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen and 1790 02:54:01.559 --> 02:54:07.200 twenty sixteen year old two nights. Twenty seventeen is over three nights. The 1791 02:54:07.239 --> 02:54:11.239 one year, the one year we did it as a TV like that was 1792 02:54:11.399 --> 02:54:15.159 lame. I hated that one, all right, Jeff, Well we see 1793 02:54:15.200 --> 02:54:20.120 how this goes. I mean, listen, you know I have lots of 1794 02:54:20.159 --> 02:54:26.040 love for the good doctor, doctor Brett Baker, d n D and Lucasaurus 1795 02:54:26.120 --> 02:54:31.040 has has certainly grown on me. But my goodness, this was It's a 1796 02:54:31.159 --> 02:54:37.639 rough night for everyone's favorite deadly dinosaur. We are brought to you by the 1797 02:54:37.639 --> 02:54:41.120 Creative Control Network. Be sure to follow the head of the Creative Control Network, 1798 02:54:41.159 --> 02:54:45.280 mister Joe Phenie. He's on Twitter at jwf hahaha. Any wife or 1799 02:54:45.280 --> 02:54:48.440 a d and at the CC network one, be sure to follow a verified 1800 02:54:48.479 --> 02:54:52.680 scientist of sound the astronaut of audio, of the prevayor production, the ace 1801 02:54:52.760 --> 02:54:56.079 of action figures, the voice of video games, the bassmaster General, the 1802 02:54:56.280 --> 02:55:01.399 technician of trouble, the best broadcast machine, the word winning autocrat of advertisement, 1803 02:55:01.719 --> 02:55:05.920 the cleaner of audio. Mister Zach Johnson. He's on Twitter and Instagram 1804 02:55:05.959 --> 02:55:09.760 at Radio ZT and he delivers us the best intro and outro every single week, 1805 02:55:11.200 --> 02:55:13.879 making sure that we sound cooler than the other side of the pillow. 1806 02:55:16.239 --> 02:55:20.559 When this episode releases, we will be three days shy. In proper form 1807 02:55:22.760 --> 02:55:26.840 of the three year anniversary of the murder of Carnal Sledge and Kate Brown. 1808 02:55:28.280 --> 02:55:33.040 I ask that if you know anything, please call the Federal Bureau of Investigation 1809 02:55:33.680 --> 02:55:39.680 the City of Cleveland two one six six two two six eight four two. 1810 02:55:39.600 --> 02:55:43.959 You can remain anonymous. There is a one hundred thousand dollars reward that will 1811 02:55:45.000 --> 02:55:50.399 be distributed upon conviction, and there is going to be a episode of the 1812 02:55:50.600 --> 02:56:01.639 Unsolved Mysteries podcast as well as some additional content for the Unsolved miss brand that 1813 02:56:01.760 --> 02:56:07.159 I am involved with discussing the Carnell and Kate murders that will be coming your 1814 02:56:07.200 --> 02:56:11.479 way at some point in the next couple of months. We are in the 1815 02:56:11.639 --> 02:56:18.799 very early stages, and I just want to thank producer Cindy for asking me 1816 02:56:18.879 --> 02:56:24.920 to be a participant, and Carneal's family for inviting me and allowing me to 1817 02:56:24.959 --> 02:56:31.360 speak on behalf of all of our friends. So Carneal is missed and we 1818 02:56:31.399 --> 02:56:37.399 need justice, and we need it now. Having said that, there is 1819 02:56:37.520 --> 02:56:41.799 only one thing left to do, and that is to quote your pal, 1820 02:56:41.959 --> 02:56:48.440 sal the honorable mayor of an honorable mention, Salernaro, No need to trip 1821 02:56:48.479 --> 02:56:52.200 out. It's time to dip out, slap the porpoise. This one's over. 1822 02:56:52.360 --> 02:56:56.200 We're out. Be kind to one another, keep your chin up, 1823 02:56:56.600 --> 02:57:01.479 happy everything, No more guns until the next step. I only take my 1824 02:57:01.600 --> 02:57:05.120 comment carry out of this man because I don't want to have anything to do 1825 02:57:05.239 --> 02:57:13.399 with it. What I'm fucking a moored only I see trees of green, 1826 02:57:16.639 --> 02:57:26.479 red roofs to I see them blue fucking you, and I think to myself, 1827 02:57:30.760 --> 02:57:46.120 what I wonderful. I see skies of blue and white, the right, 1828 02:57:46.360 --> 02:57:54.319 blessed day, the dogs sacred night, and I think to myself, 1829 02:57:56.559 --> 02:58:09.760 what I wonderful? The colors of the rainbow so pretty in the sky, 1830 02:58:11.319 --> 02:58:20.520 A particle on the faces of people going by. I see friends shaking hands, 1831 02:58:22.360 --> 02:58:35.280 saying how may you very really saying I I have bigger's ground. I 1832 02:58:35.399 --> 02:58:43.280 am much slim girl. They are like much moved and I never know, 1833 02:58:45.760 --> 02:59:01.239 And I think to myself what I wonder world? So I think to myself, 1834 02:59:03.639 --> 02:59:16.280 what I wonderful. Yeah,