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said. I'm here to build some type of of platform, whatever, for Maryland to succeed. But Josh: Cool. Done that or it's over. No, he I I think the writing's on the wall. He has it's the October fifteenth. He's got one and a half months left with Maryland. Pat: That's what we think. That's what we can hope. But this day and age, nothing ever happens. You know, there's nothing. Nothing happens. I mean, it's it's to to pivot to another sport, Manchester City. Have you seen all that stuff? Manchester City. Cookie. Well, Josh: Why can't we just do that? You know what? Pat: they no, they didn't do anything. That's my point. Is that nothing has happened yet. They basically cooked the books to the tune of. Almost a billion dollars and all there's appeals coming in, but ultimately the way that people are talking is that nothing is gonna happen. Maybe they'll get a small point seduction, whatever. They should be Josh: Just cheating. Pat: kicked out of the league. The football league, which is the top four divisions, they should be gone. Set a precedent, but because there's so much money in there, blah blah blah, Abu Dhabi, this, that, it's Abu Dhabi, it's Abu Dhabi. Yep. Josh: And Saudi and you know, they they own everything, Abudi, Abd Abd Abadi. Pat: nothing's gonna happen. Where what you might be thinking of is the French league that kicked Bordeaux out and they kicked them out. They are in the sixth tier of French soccer now because of financial whatever. So anyway, I pivoted there. Point is nothing ever happens. I am now nervous that he's gonna be back. Even if, even if it's just finish out your contract, which goes through next year. That's too long for me and it will set the program back because w w what is he gonna recruit and then everybody will leave anyway? Josh: It doesn't matter. It's a Pat: It r I know it doesn't matter. Josh: lame duck situation. They've proven that they're not a winning culture. It does not matter what happens. In my opinion, if you want to keep them on the payroll so you don't fire them and just have them do nothing, say you are no longer the coach. You we will make you GM and you can still be the the recruiter. And but we're getting a real coach and you have no influence on it. The coach will say, I want that guy and you go get him. Pat: I don't want his fingers on anything. I don't want his fingers on anything. Josh: I want his fingers. Pat: And you know, I I I don't want to be the person who who believes everything Josh: Yeah, big hands. Pat: that I see on Twitter, but I saw somebody who seemed to Josh: Huge down below the waist. Pat: be a former player of Maryland, don't remember his name, who said he was talking to other teammates of his who transferred out and they said they're interested in transferring back if he is gone. I don't know who these players are. They could be fish string kickers. Who cares? Josh: I choose to believe. Pat: But the the I choose to believe. Exactly. That's where I am. I had one more thing,

and that was I believe now I'm not a big conspiracy theory guide unless it's something that, you know, proves my biases. I am now of the mind that there is an intentional propaganda campaign out there that involves Tori Smith. That involves Glenn Clark, Josh: CTE. Pat: that involves Mike Loxley, that involves Daryl Pines, basically saying it started with Mike Loxley saying, Nobody at Maryland can win consistently, and that's not a Mike Loxley project. Why why are we just defaming the school? Look, here's the thing Maryland football hasn't been good for more than two years at a time, three years at a time, ever. Right? people lean on this national championship from 1953, but okay, all right, yeah, whatever. Why or why is that where we've gone down to? And everybody Glenn Clark and and Jeff Ehrman are saying, like, he's right, he's right, there's no consistency. Well, maybe there's no consistency here. Maybe you can't build something. Because you leave a guy like Mike Loxley in charge for eight years. So he can't build it. Right. He wasn't saying I can't build it when he went to Big Ten Big Ten Media Day like 2022 saying we're here to win Big Ten championships. He didn't he wasn't saying that then. Anyway, all right. So we've already spent more time than I wanted to on Maryland football. Josh: Yeah, you got really fired up, yeah. DJ Durkin wouldn't allow that to happen, but I would have killed another Pat: Here's the thing. I Josh: guy. Pat: this may be controversial. I believed in DJ Durkin. I believed in Josh: I did too. Pat: it. He his tenure started with wins against Texas. His teams beat Michigan in Michigan. And I know they were down years, but I mean there have been down years in the Loxley era for for other teams, and the only team he ever beat was COVID Penn State. So I I believed I believed in that. But then he went and killed a kid. so with that Josh: Hop recruit too. Can't do that. Pat: With that. We're done with Maryland football. there Josh: Forever. Pat: the homecoming Rutgers, whatever. Whoever, you know, they're saying whoever loses this game is gonna lose our coach. We know Maryland's not gonna fire the coach because whatever. Yeah. Josh: Neither of them. Both of them are struggling with money, but I'm tuned in. It's gonna be like J V Loyola Pat: Well yeah, it'll be on TV, but Josh: versus JV Calvert Hall. Just a bunch of kids who are struggling with puberty and and their sexuality. not to tackle guy too hard because you know they might get hard. And you know, we'll see what happens. Pat: Gracious. Okay, so we are going to now move on to the Ravens. So a short recap was they went into Atlanta. I described Atlanta last week as an offensive buzzsaw under Michael Penix. And the Ravens ended up winning the game without Lamar Jackson. And that's one thing that I love about Tyler Huntley is it's ugly at times. Josh: Hmm? Pat: but gosh darn it, sometimes it works. And why does it work, Josh? Why did it work this time? You tell me. Thank

you very much. Run Josh: Derrick Henry. Derrick Henry. God run the goddamn ball. Pat: the goddamn ball. That's the second time. Last week I mentioned the Green Bay game from last year. That's what it was like. You gave him the ball, you didn't go away from it. And i guess what? It's hard to stop him. And I said once again, if you get him outside the tackles or you get his get him running, he's he's pretty much unstoppable. And that's what they did. It wasn't just runs up the gut all the time. And it worked. And it worked. So that's the good. So we're doing the good, bad, and ugly again. We'll do that. The Josh: Okay. Pat: good. Derrick Henry was Josh: Damn right. Pat: Derek Henry. It was awesome. He had I don't think he had a hundred yards rushing, but he had like a hundred and thirty yards total 'cause he had the receiving. Josh: He did No. Pat: Right? Did he have a hundred yards rushing? Josh: I thought he did 'cause it was like towards the end of the game and I think I thought it was. Pat: I guess overtime played into that, right? Josh: So is he he I think he got it on the last plane he did? Pat: Well while you look that up, that was good. Huntley Josh: He did. 102. Pat: what yeah, overtime. Gosh darn it. Those those darn I bet those darn betting sites didn't give people that, you know, that win. Josh: Mm-hmm. Pat: That was good. Tyler Huntley in the clutch. W with those backup quarterbacks, as we saw on the other side of the ball, on the other side of the field. Sometimes those backup quarterbacks, when it comes down to you need to go down the field and you need to score, they're gonna turn the ball over. They're gonna make a dumb backup mistake. Tyler Huntley, what was he? I wanna say he was something like ten for his last ten, and nothing was really downfield, right? Josh: No not no, not at all. It worked. Pat: but who cares? Didn't need to go downfield, right? It worked. and I know everybody likes to pick at picket film and whatnot. Zay Flowers was open on certain plays, whatever, but he got it done. And it was awesome. Josh: No, no, he he has zero zip on the ball, which is just absolutely hilarious. It's just like it's like a lame duck floating over the sky. Pat: It it's it it's an odd throwing motion. Going from Lamar who just flicks his wrist and the ball goes sixty yards. It's Josh: Mm-hmm. Pat: like a It's I was Josh: Tim T. Bellesque. Pat: gonna say that. I was gonna say Tim Tebow esque, but it's still better than Tim Tebow. It's like a it's like Tim Tebow Josh: Anything's better than Tim T but he's still trying to throw the ball. Pat: and it's like if Tim Tebow and Philip Rivers had a baby. Josh: Mm-hmm. With veneers. Pat: But Lamar Jackson was somehow involved, you know, all that DNA together, that's what it was. Yeah. Yeah. Josh: Mm. Yeah. Could have just had adopted, but you wouldn't went and went that route. Pat: Yeah, y well, adopted doesn't make any well, I guess you could, you know, learn from your environment. Anyway, it was

awesome. Those are the good things. Zay Flowers, yeah. I know he had a foot foot injury, whatever. Dude's a beast. Josh: Not paid enough. So is Bateman. Bateman showing up. He's like Pat: Bateman's showing up. Hopefully he doesn't go to jail soon. And but Bateman's showing up. We just need him to Josh: Think he would have. Pat: not give up on routes. But he didn't. He didn't. He's learning. Josh: No, but he he's rated week after week the best wide receiver at separation. He's always open. Like he's off the charts. I mean, well, no, Zay Flowers is off the charts, but for Bateman, it's like the the dude just gets open. So stop stop finding Andrews and find Bateman. 'Cause he catches everything. Dog. Yeah. Pat: Devantez Walker, all he does is score touchdowns. All he does is score touchdowns. Hold on, I'm gonna I'm gonna pull up that stat, but every every week I wanna bet that he scores a touchdown, and I never do because I am weak. Josh: And I'm gonna and while you look while you look it up, I I'm gonna jinx it, but I don't think since he's been with the Ravens, I know Harbaugh put him in the doghouse because for some reason he hates Walker. I can't think of a time where a ball went his way and he dropped it. Like I think every single time he's targeted, he catches it, which is insane. Mm-hmm. Pat: Yeah. And it's sometimes in tight windows. I mean, that that touchdown was back shoulder, you know, not necessarily the tightest window in the world, but back shoulder, he turned around and he caught it. He's so Josh: Mm-hmm. Pat: what I was looking up was Devantez Walker has eleven career receptions in three years in the NFL across twenty five games. Five of them are touchdowns, ten of them are first downs. Josh: Bananas. Pat: So Almost every single time he catches the ball, it's something good happens. Josh: Get in the game more. Give some opportunities. Pat: yeah, so that's that's good. and more good. Vega at center. Josh: They could just everywhere. Yeah. Pat: He's just good. He's just good. He's the Kyle Hamilton of the offensive line so far. Josh: I just love how he just like you can just tell when a an offensive lineman's just gonna be like elite by the way they talk. Pat: Mm-hmm. Josh: Like it's like a subtle, subtle psychopath. Like, I just wanna hit something. I don't give a shit what who who it is, I I'm gonna run him over. And every single highlight reel I've seen, like he gets off the line, he bolts up the field, finds a linebacker bulldozes them and then just looks around like who can I kill next? That's what you Pat: Yep. Josh: want. Pat: Yep. with Cam Jurgens coming in. For those who don't know, the Ravens traded for the Eagles center. He was on concussion protocol last week, pre practice this week. So we'll we'll see. I will say some people are asking for Vega to stay at center. I I don't agree. Not just because he's gonna play better at his standard position, but there were a couple snaps in there. Right, we're a little bit a little floaty. Josh: Yeah. Pat: Did you it was like the shoot, I was watching a game. Josh: Thank you. Pat: it was it was the the Jags Eagles game. I think that the Jags had to put in a he wasn't even a backup snapper. He was just a backup offensive lineman because their long snapper got hurt and all game it it that holder needs to be paid ten million dollars more. Because he was snapping it over the holder's head and he went up and he freaking got it. And he and then and they missed didn't miss miss field goal. I don't want that to happen. Josh: No. Pat: I've h seen and heard people saying it's it's mostly whenever somebody leaves a team, those fans are like, that fucking guy, you know, he's he's no good. You don't want him anyway. It was horrible for us. So I'd I'd take that with a grain of salt with how good Cam Jurgens is, but Cos Jernan, he's a center. Josh: Well everybody keeps saying like yeah, he's terrible, but then ever the the same side's like, Well, actually he was really good at center and then we moved him. That's like s so he Pat: Yeah, what was the answer? Josh: Yeah, so he's a really good center and he's just not good anywhere else. That's fine. Pat: Right. Just right. Just block. Just snap the ball and block. Right? The only Josh: Find the guy and block him. Pat: person I've ever seen who was a horrible center. Do you remember do you know I'm gonna talk about? Do you know it's Raven. It's a Raven. Josh: Which what what's it's what's his n he went to the Panthers. Pat: that part I don't know. Gino Gradkowski in twenty thirteen Josh: Yeah. Pat: was probably other than Philele was the worst offensive lineman I've ever watched. Part of why in 2013 the Ravens went, I think they went eight and eight or or nine and seven, whatever it was, missed the playoffs. Part of it was because Ray Rice had the worst year of his career, and it was because the offensive line was so bad and he was the reason. Just up the middle Josh: D Pat: every time. Josh: do you know what he did in twenty twenty two? Pat: Who? Kharkowski? Josh: Yeah, he became an offensive line coach. So he's out there now coaching people to young people to block. Pat: Look man, I let me say something about coaches. Let me say this. Sometimes if you don't have it on the field, you have it on the sideline. You know? You know what I'm saying? Did Jesse Minter Josh: Mm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm. Pat: ever play professional football? Josh: No, he's like four foot nothing. Pat: You're goddamn right. So I would use Mike McDaniel in that example, but the Chargers are and five. gracious, that guy's a Josh: He's gonna get fired real soon. Built that team like shit. Pat: nightmare. all right, so I think that pretty much covers a good. We could probably figure out some some other things in there. The pass rush is still a little meh, although that hit by who was the guy who knocked out Penix? Not knocked out, but he, you know, basically ruptured his spleen. Robinson? Yeah. Josh: Yeah, I think he's having

a great year. He's huge. Pat: Yeah. So Hendrickson's coming back, it seems, two fingers down, but that's fine. That's bodies and that's a good body to have. Josh: I think they need to only have him in on pass plays until he's fully healthy because Green has shown that he had the I think he had his best game. I mean, just from block like run blocking. Pat: Yes, I am so glad you brought up Mike Green. But I would say with your Hendrickson thing, I don't know enough of about football to say they can or can't do that, but they're playing the Browns next, and I assume there's gonna be a lot of RPO. So, Josh: Yeah. Pat: you know, you can't really make that you can only assume and then Yeah. But Josh: Right. Well everything's an assumption, but yeah. Pat: I texted you on Sunday or Monday that Josh: Yeah, 2 a.m. the weird picture of your penis. Pat: That's not what I sent. I said I am on notice with Mike Green. Mike Green had a good game. I don't think he had a sack. But he wasn't just chasing people down the field like I saw Josh: No. Pat: in all the other games. He was he was pressuring, he was working, he was getting close to the quarterback, he was stopping the run, all that good stuff. so he had against ch Atlanta, he had two tackles, both for four tackles, two combined Josh: Mm-hmm. Pat: with not a sack. But two tackles for Josh: Yes. Pat: loss, nope, nope, no unless they're unless they're counting Josh: I'm looking at the Pat: QB hits in here. Josh: I'm look I'm looking on migrant sec. my god. Pat: there it is. There's a sack. I was looking at the wrong place. Yeah, one sack, two solo, tackles for loss, QB hits. I don't like the way football reference has this little there's a little line here that made it look not included in the tackles column. But regardless, he looked good. I liked it. I liked it. Okay. Josh: Mal Malkai Star Starks also look pretty good. I still wouldn't say I he's got a long road ahead 'cause God he looks like shit overall, but at least he had one good game. Pat: Yeah. Well, that's a good transition to the bad because the bad is third and long. Which I Josh: the second there. It that but that's been an issue forever. Pat: no, I understand. It's it's that that's had people going it during the Saints game and and and other games of not being able to stop teams on third and long. It you know, it's not a John Harbaugh issue, maybe it's a personnel issue, which it I think it was both. But I mean, they're like the best defense in the league on first and second down, and then it's third and eleven. And it's you know, Kyle Pitts is wide open for twenty four yards. Like, what are we doing? Josh: Can I also say, and this can be talked about, like I firmly believe statistics mean everything in football except for the cornerback. If you Pat: Agree. Josh: have high tackles as a cornerback, unless you're you know, all over the goddamn field, you know, you're you're playing edge once in a while, linebacker, who you know, whatever. if you Pat: Agree. That means the ball went your way. Yep. Josh: The ball's going your way a lot. So now I'm l now I I backtrack on on Stark's having a good game because yeah, he led the the team in tackles. He you had ten. Pat: Well, he's also a safety. I mean they could but I I agree with you. I I I'm not sold on on him yet. Josh: But yeah, it's just like every single time that first down, dude. Tackle for no gain. Second, incomplete pass. It's third and long. Everybody goes great. there's Drake London as a the slant route and runs 15 yards up the field, or Kyle Pat: Yeah. Josh: Pitts, nobody around him. Pat: Yeah, and that that when those things were happening during the game is when I'm looking before Lamar Lamar Huntley. Before Tyler Huntley had a had his drive and all that, that was me sitting there going, this is not in cards. It's just not there. They can't get Josh: Mm-hmm. Pat: the stop when they need it. So the way that they fixed that is that they murdered Michael Penix and brought in Tua and fixed it. Josh: That that was a that was the strongest hit I've seen in the NFL since Bart Scott's tackle of Ravelsberger. Pat: That yes, that was among the hardest hits I've ever seen on a quarterback recently that was not flagged. 'Cause there Josh: Not a flag. Yep. Yeah. Pat: it shouldn't have been a flag. He didn't do the whole cause now now you can get flagged if you hit their knees. You can get flagged if you hit their head. if it's Carrie Josh: To go too high, go too low. Pat: Collins in two thousand six, you get flagged if you hit them in the elbow while they throw. I don't know if you remember that. it right. Josh: If you s yeah, if you sneeze at Josh Allen it it's a personal battle. Pat: If you hit them with your shoulder in their chest, but your body lands on top of them, your body weight, it's a flag, all that. It didn't meet any of those criteria. He just hit him hard. Josh: Yeah. Pat: And so now, if you take now that's another conversation. Josh: He ruined the Falcon season, by the way, with that hit. Pat: Well is Penix out? What's his deal? Josh: right now they don't think he's gonna play this week. Pat: Well, that's why I was texting my father in law. I said, you know, is Josh: Daddy Mall. Pat: is Penix with a ruptured spleen better than Tua? And the answer to me is yes. Pretty much everybody in this league is better than Tua at the moment. Josh: Yes. Do it look like horrible. Pat: So but yeah, the the long down defense is not great. And Josh: That was the reason why the the Ravens they they could have gone in the playoffs last year. I mean, look looking back, thank God they didn't. But Pat: Yeah. Right. Josh: like the amount of times the Ravens had X team in, you know, with their heels back and it's a little floater, a little something that should have not, you know, guys shouldn't have been open. It just kills drives and it kills the defense. Pat: Right. You're you think you're about to get off the field. You know, Lamar is starting to

warm up and then fifteen yard game. Okay. Or Josh: Yeah. or a stupid penalty. Pat: stupid penalty. I there was a little bit less of that, I think, this week. A little bit a little bit Josh: Mm-hmm. Hundred percent. Pat: less of the the stupid penalties, which is good. but yeah, I I am some I I don't know yet how much of a believer I am. I am in Jesse Minter's defense only because I am new to it. I don't really know what it was like in Los Angeles. So I'm just along for the ride Josh: Well, the the big Pat: at the moment. Josh: the the big thing and and this is why I think w everybody loves love McDonald McDonald was one. I mean McDonald also a psychopath as a defensive coordinator, but I think at this point of the the season it is how the coaches adjust to the team that they have in front of them. Like I don't think it's anyone's secret that, you know, the Pat: Yeah. Josh: offensive line is gonna suck. Pat: Mm-hmm. Josh: And the secondary was going to be in question. And the linebackers are going to show up fat, out of shape, because they went to Japan for three months and all they did is eat and not work out. Now what are they going to do to kind of put the right players in position to be successful? Is it having three linebackers out there? I don't think so. I think it's having a fifth cornerback out there. Who gives a shit? Have him roam. Pat: I am blown away in every game, every team, when there is a tight end who has any sort of clout. Kyle Pitts has some clout. Some of it's a joke because of how he underperforms for fantasy people. Josh: Overrated. Yep. Pat: But Kyle Pitts, Travis Kelsey, especially, those Josh: Mm-hmm. Pat: types of those types of players as if they're on the same level. But If you know a tight end's name, basically. they're always wide open. It drives me crazy when I watch Josh: W it's not just that. It's the no. Pat: the Chiefs and I get that Travis Kelsey is old and he's declining, so to speak, or whatever. But the amount of times it's third down or whatever, and the Chiefs have the ball, how Travis Kelsey just catches the ball in space. Why do you not have somebody on Travis Kelsey? Josh: It's not just that. It's they catch the ball and the amount of times it's like a five-yard pass and they just run forever and nobody can tackle them. Pat: Right. Right. Josh: Or it it's like all of a sudden they all forget how to tackle. I still think about the Travis Kelsey touchdown at in Baltimore. I think it was twenty one or twenty-two. I can't remember if it was the regular season of the playoffs. But mo it was like third and eight and Mahom kind of right. Okay. Pat: Yeah, it was the game the Ravens ended up winning. Yeah. Josh: But it was just like they showed the end zone view of just Kelsey just kind of just zigzagging all over and Yeah. Pat: Yeah, he's not f Yeah, and he's not fast. Yeah. Josh: It's like it's like Ed Reed. Like nobody could tackle Ed Reed, but he's just I mean, yeah, it's yeah, it's just Pat: Fast and ag has

agility. Yeah. Josh: like woo, woa. Pat: Yeah, it's very confusing. I I don't again I don't know enough about football to say why that happens, but it happens all the time. Josh: Mm-hmm. Pat: Like the only tight end in the league that I excuse for people not tackling him is Washington in Pittsburgh. I don't remember his first name. You know what I'm talking about? Number eighty, the big dude. He's a freight train. And it's not because they let him run free, it's because he runs them over. He I don't Josh: yeah. Washington. Yeah, I yeah, that it's like a Derrick Henry. Pat: yeah, I don't he's bigger. He's more like Jerome Bettis, but tight end, just to use the Pittsburgh example. I don't know why the ball doesn't just go to him every play when they need chunk yardage to kill Josh: I know. Pat: clock. Like it's just give him the ball. Even if it's like a he snaps off the line. And turns around one yard and they just give him the ball. He's just gonna turn around, he's gonna gain five yards. Minimum. Right. Josh: He might snap Wiggins in half if there's ever a moment between those two going at each other. And I'm w I'm fearful of that. Pat: It do you remember in the last game of the year, he he was having a pretty good game against the Ravens and he got hurt. Yep. Josh: Yeah. And he like shattered his leg. Yeah. Pat: Yep. That was the only way they could stop him was they shattered his leg. Yep. Josh: Yeah. That's fine. That's fine. Mm-hmm. Pat: Anyway, okay, so that's that's all that. We got off the bat a little well, go ahead. You go ahead. Josh: Well no, d there's we we haven't gotten the ugly, right? Okay, okay. there's one thing okay, I think we all agree what what it's gonna be. Well Pat: Right. 'Cause there's pretty much one thing in ugly. Yeah. But did you have something to add to bad? Josh: the I will add to the bad something that is increasingly getting me more nervous. have you taken a look at the the list of people hurt and how many people there are? Pat: Yes. Josh: One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen. Twenty people. Pat: Well, one thing yes, one thing to take with a grain of salt of that is that there's a chunk of those people that were full practice participants, which is, you know, trending trending the right way, right? So if you take those out Josh: as of nineteen hours ago of the twenty, one, two, three, four were full. Pat: Okay, so still Yeah. Josh: A lot of limited, which is fine. But this is this is what happened to the Ravens, I think, in twenty two, where it they just could not stay healthy. It's just one injury after another. Mark Andrews' hand is also on the injury report. I don't know if you saw that. Yeah. Pat: Did not see that. Is that is that an excuse maker? because his hand injured me. Josh: Pitting the table, smashing glass. Pat: my God. Just so that's how we're gonna get to the ugly. We said there's one thing in the ugly

and that's Mark Andrews. He's made of butter. I don't I Josh: He can't have butter. Pat: can't explain. Josh: Yeah, he's got diabetes. Pat: Is that true? Is that real? Josh: That his diabetes or you can't have butter if you have diabetes. Pat: Both. Josh: well he has diabetes, yes, but he I I don't know. He probably just can't have lot of sugar. okay, well it probably kills him. Yeah. Or flavored. Pat: Butter is salt, right? Unless it's unsalted, then what is it? I don't know. tune in next week for our Make America Healthy Again podcast. Josh: Yeah, Pat: That Josh: He needs to eat more raw meat. Pat: might have been taking the only game I can think of that was worse than that for him was the Bills game in the playoffs, but only because of the stakes in that game. He really had Josh: Was that a Pat: two two two mistakes in that game. That was the one where he caught the ball in the middle of the field and he Josh: You've gladteral. Pat: should have no, that was the Patriots. That was the regular season last Josh: yeah. Pat: year. This is two years ago, where he caught the ball in the middle of the field. All he had to do was run forward, right? And or even go down if he got Josh: he should have just gone down. No, he just needed to go down. We got the first down. Pat: the first down. But even then, just put two hands on the ball and run forward. He tried to juke somebody. And this is the thing about the NFL that needs to be understood by all, and I think generally is. But sometimes when you enter the dome of idiocy, right? Throwback to two weeks ago, the NFL players forget. Everybody in the NFL is fast. Even the defensive linemen. Like Josh: Mm-hmm. Pat: if you went up against prime Helodi Nada, you would lose a foot race. Josh: Yeah. Before we got the big contract and got fat. Pat: Well, you know, that's the way it goes. That decision to go sideways, right? And he fumbles the ball. And then of course he has the drop in on the two point conversion. And people if I hear one more person, well, we haven't talked about it in a while, say that that was Lamar's fault for a bad throw, they can kiss my ass. Even if it was a slightly off throw, that's a professional tight end. You need to catch that ball. I don't care how cold it was. Josh: Yeah. Pat: Other than that, and obviously his little blunder with in the Patriots game last year, that little lateral thing to nobody. That was Mark Andrews' worst game of his career. He had, I saw somebody, somebody made some video somewhere that said, these are the worst five drops of NFL week, whatever that was. Five. Honorable mention was one for Zay Flowers, which whatever. number five was Mark Andrews, number four was Mark Andrews, number three was Mark Andrews, number two was Mark Andrews, and number one was Mark Andrews. Because he couldn't hold on the ball. There's only one. That maybe I'll give him, which was the throw was a little bit high, and whoever it was on the Falcons came up and just kind of punched the ball up out of his hands. That's Josh: Yeah. Pat: tough to blame Mark Andrews for, but I have seen tight ends. Isaiah likely has held on to balls like that. But just as an example, just as an example. But the I understand. I understand. Josh: well, I mean he's not I mean it's like he almost fumbled last week, okay. And then he also fumbled in the playoff. Pat: But There was the ball that went straight through his hands on the goal line. Josh: Yep, again. Pat: Again. There was the drop on the two point conversion again. There was another drop in the middle of the field. At some point, sh okay, he's getting paid a lot of money. What was that contract? Was it a three year extension? Josh: Yeah. Pat: At what point do you talk about him not starting? Josh: Well, what who else is there? I mean, the the Pat: Right. Well Josh: the other tight end that they signed towards Achilles like a week or two ago, and they clearly made no effort into finding one to draft, which I think there's a couple decent tight ends in the later rounds they could have gone after, like they did with Isaiah Likely, that worked out pretty well. Pat: Mm-hmm. Josh: And there was a few pretty athletic receiving tight ends that they could have gone out and gotten. They didn't do that either. I know they're Cap Hell, but like, come on guys, figure it out. Pat: Well yeah, I think I think part of it is that they don't they meaning the Ravens don't feel like they have a problem, I think. I think they're Josh: Yeah. Pat: looking at it and going, Mark Andrews, Mark Andrews, Mark Andrews like, okay. Well, we didn't even mention that one of those drops was a fumble return for a touchdown. Josh: Yeah, I think it was a if I'm doing my math right, I think it was a nine point turnaround in just two plays for Andrew. No, Pat: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Josh: fourteen. Cause he dropped the pass that would have been a touchdown. Yeah, and swing, whatever. Either way. Pat: If you drop the touchdown, yeah, it's a fourteen point turnaround. Fourteen point swing, as they say. Yep. Josh: In a in a playoff game, that Harbaugh would have probably shit his pants and I don't know, put the fourth string quarterback into To save the day, to throw it a thousand times. Pat: I will say this. I at times I disagreed with it, but sometimes or at some point I think Gen C Minter needs to institute his own type of doghouse. I don't think you need to bench a running back for a fumble every single time, but Josh: No. Nope. Pat: Mark Andrews should be in the doghouse. Josh: Maybe he was. Maybe there were plays that he should have gone in and they brought in the the second string tight end to to do it. I will say Andrews does get open a good amount of times. I know, but like just can't like get buy goalie gloves, like soccer goalie gloves and use those. Grow who care cheat. Okay. We all learned that's the only way to win. They're not yeah. Pat: Well that's just a tight end thing we just talked about. Just it's catch the ball. Put

gorilla glue on them. Yeah, right. Cheat. Agree. Josh: They're not gonna find the diabetic tight end. to to Pat: Who can't eat butter? Josh: cook any butter to to get in trouble for cheating. All right. They're never gonna go after you. They want to kill Lamar. The East Pien is waiting for the day to just say, I knew Lamar was bad this whole time, you know. Pat: Yep. Yep. I mean, that's all you gotta say. Just catch the damn ball. Just catch the damn ball. Josh: Wait, catch the damn ball. Pat: That was the only thing that was ugly. I I will say that one I f I feel conflicted and and bad and annoyed that that entire game I felt like they were gonna lose. Because of all those little things, the fumble, the the drops, the the conversions, all Josh: Not having Lamar. Pat: on third and long and not having Lamar, whatever. I hate that I feel that way and it's mostly John Harbaugh and Zach Orr's fault because just like Kyle Hamilton said in the locker room in previous years, that's a game that they lose. Josh: It's it's also really, really tough if you kind of look at it. Like Penix is like the Trent Dilfer. Modern day Trent Dilfer. He's not gonna win you a game, but he's gonna keep you in. And their defense is good. They had a really good scheme against the Ravens the whole time. It was basically max blitz every single time, and it worked until the end. But you have a generational running back like Bijan, like, yeah, I I would never feel comfortable if I'm gonna win a game against that. Just like how When Lamar's in the game, I'm pretty sure people feel the same way. Pat: I have two com two comments on things you just said. Josh: But you know. Okay. Okay. Pat: I don't think you truly remember how bad of a quarterback Trent Dilfer was. Here's here's my homework. Josh: I don't think you really saw bad penis, pen penis, penis pen Pat: Henix. Josh: pen penis, sorry, keep saying penis. Pat: Penix. Josh: Pan panics penis. Pat: Is Here here's the thing. Okay, so I'm just I just I've got his his his stats up here. Okay. So let's see. Where is career? my god, geez, the internet is so dumb. Like, just give me Michael Pennix Jr. football reference. There is no other site for stats. Okay. So we're gonna take out year one because he only played three games. Year two, he had a sixty percent completion percentage. Nine touchdowns, three picks, led the league in interception percentage, but it was only one percent. That's not that bad, right? But it's also on limited time, only nine games through three games so far. He is at 67.5%, 719 yards, three touchdowns, and a pick. His rating is 104.1, QBR 74.2. Right? Okay. I think you are underrating him a bit. I wouldn't say I'm a believer yet, because I think I I feel like we've said this before, that recently, because it's a pass happy league and because of the quality of quarterback that has been in the league for so long recently, that we think any quarterback who is around average sucks. Is that fair? Is that fair to say? Okay. Josh: Uh-huh, uh-huh, huh, yeah. Pat: So I'm gonna go to Trent Dilfer now. Trent, shit. That's a lot better than I thought. Trent Dilfer Josh: Yeah. Had a couple of really good years. Pat: is he but when you look at them, okay, so against Tam, you know, in Tampa, he had he never threw for more than 3,000 yards, which whatever. It was a running, running game back then. But Using the Ravens as the example because that's when you probably watched him the most, I would assume. Josh: Yep. Pat: 59.8 completion percentage, 1600 yards, 11 touchdowns, 11 picks, a rating of 75. They didn't do QBR back then. And here's my homework for you. Doesn't take long. On YouTube, there is a play by play. Skip all the commercials, skip all the filler. It is just every play of Super Bowl 35. And I want you to watch that. And I want you to come back next week and tell me what you saw offensively from that game. Josh: She didn't ha he just didn't need to turn the ball over. I don't even have to look at it. Pat: It it was something. He threw a touchdown though. That was good. Good for him. Anyway. All right. Josh: Mm. I I think we could have won the Super Bowl for them. Just Pat: Well yeah, if you just turn the ball. Josh: give the ball to Jamal Lewis. Pat: Yeah, and really the defense was gonna score for you. Josh: Yeah. Pat: Okay, so we were talking about Michael Panics. How did we get onto that? Michael Panics did something, something I remember what I was Josh: You're just Pat: gonna say. B. John Robinson, while not completely stopped. Josh: Limited Limited. Pat: He he he was limited. He did not score. Josh: I I go back to what I can't remember who said it. It was like ten plus years ago about the NBA, where it's like the the superstar is always going to get you 25 points a game. And you know, Pat: Mm-hmm. Josh: so just let him do it. And just don't let the other guys around him, you know, score just as many kind Pat: Yep. Josh: of thing. And so the Ravens basically did that. Like we'll he'll get his 80 yards and, Pat: Yep. Josh: you know, five receptions and probably a touchdown, but He's he's not gonna have a breakout game. Pat: Yep. And let's see. So we had eighty-six yards on seventeen carries. So that's five yards a carry. You know, that's that's good, but there's your eighty yards. And then he had four receptions for thirty-two yards. No touchdowns. So y there's an argument there that's saying, Hey Falcons, give him the ball more. you know, only twenty one touches for B. John Robinson seems low, but that could also be in that the Ravens were limiting him and a limited B. John Robinson is still a good game. But then you go and look at Drake London had a hundred and eighteen yards receiving. So they found their other guy. Josh: Yeah, they realize that the cornerbacks suck, so they just, you know. Pat: Yeah. Who was on him? Josh: I it that's the thing is I kept I was watching the game. It wasn't like that's the only thing that kind of drives me nuts, but

like I half understand it's kind of a zone coverage. Like Wiggins wasn't on London the whole time, though when they needed a stop, he was assigned to London, and most of the time they wouldn't go his way. Pat: Yeah. Josh: So I don't know, just like I loved the old school cornerbacks basically just find the best wide receiver on the field and d those two just go at it the whole time. That said I understand that you want to keep their legs fresh towards the end of the game. So if you want to kind of mix it up a little bit, that's fine. But still. Pat: Yeah, probably mixed up little you how don't you have the disguises and all that stuff. I don't know. I don't know enough about football to say. Josh: Malachi's dark. Just follow him around. You're not gonna do anything else on the field. Pat: Yep. All right. I think that pretty much bows the the Ravens there. They got cl they got a an interesting schedule coming up. I did say last week that Cleveland are fraudulent, and it's hard to say that I'm right about that because they even though they just lost to the Jets, it was in a monsoon. And Rain is the great Josh: Defenses Pat: equalizer. Their defense is still pretty good. Josh: And the the one thing, and I don't care who's the coach, the one thing the Ravens have notoriously been bad at is playing on the road in division Pat: Mm-hmm. Josh: against a quarterback who does not want to throw the ball deep and just wants quick short passes. Pat: Yes. Josh: And Watson will do that. Pat: Yes. A much, much better Ravens team than this lost to Cleveland in this matchup. Josh: Mm-hmm. Pat: That was when Kyle Hamilton dropped the game winning interception, if you remember that. Jameis Winston, I believe, was a quarterback. Ugh. Josh: They could this is a tough couple next several next six weeks. Cleveland at Cleveland, home Cincinnati at Buffalo, Pat: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Josh: prime time. So you they play Sunday and then they play Thursday against Jacksonville, LA, which God, if they lose that game, I'll kill myself. then at the Panthers, and then at Houston, Pat: I'll be Josh: which okay, well, you better be screaming. So I mean, the thing the the Bangalore to the Bengals, it's gonna be a tough game. Burrews will probably throw for 300 yards, but hopefully it's a shootout. A part of me kind of wants to give Lamar another week because then it's he's fresh against Cincinnati, fresh against Buffalo. Jacksonville will obviously be a tough game. And then hopefully they can win at least the next two, three against Chargers, Panthers, and Texans. Pat: I think if they can get through these next three games, two and one, that's a win. Josh: Mm-hmm. Pat: Add in the fourth It's hard to say two and two is a win, but might be. Three and one is an absolute win. And then you're getting into I mean the ch the Chargers. You know, that's here's the thing. They lost the Saints. We are trying to figure out if the Saints were any good. The Saints suck. It's that's that was just a classic that you play down to your opponent, make stupid mistakes, whatever. Ravens loss. But Josh: Can you forget how to run the ball? Pat: they hopefully that doesn't happen at home again. against an out of division team that is in complete shambles after Madison Beer was on the practice field for Los Angeles. Did you see that? Yeah. Yeah, I mean I'm not gonna s yeah, Josh: Yeah. Yeah, it's really hot. Yeah. Pat: whatever. I I I don't think the Panthers are really that good, but going on the I the the last time we were on the road against the Panthers, it was Lamar's rookie year. I got smoked. Now that was a very different Panthers team, but got smoked. Going on the road's hard to win. Josh: Yeah, I just I I I mean I like this the the Ravens. I think they they could win the Super Bowl. The offensive line's gotta be get better. Hopefully it does with Jurgens. But I don't know. I mean if Lamar's not healthy, like this team is really just I mean, every starting quarterback isn't I I know, but like Pat: Yeah, you can say that about most teams, but yeah. Josh: my god. Is he like Pat: It's Josh: Lam Mark is gonna get a billion dollars next year? Pat: It's crazy how much Lamar makes this team good at all. Sometimes. Josh: Mm-hmm. Pat: D h Derek Henry being here now again, like we said earlier, they won the game because they leaned on him. Excellent. But then you throw them I mean it's shit's it's crazy how there are people who like want to see that guy fail. Anyway, Josh: Mm. Pat: Well, there are reasons for that. But Josh: Yeah. Ask any ESPN employee. Pat: Okay. I think that puts a nice little bow on the Ravens. We have five minutes. Josh: We have five minutes. Maryland basketball. Or if you want to talk Maryland tennis. Pat: No, we don't need to talk about Maryland Club tennis. All right. We'll finish up with a quick, quick Maryland basketball. They have played one exhibition game, at least one that was an open door game. It was on TV. It was on Big Ten. Josh: Announced. Yeah. Pat: I've decided I'm not. I usually do every year. I'm doing the big ten plus. I pay ten bucks for a month and then I don't do it. I'm I'm not doing that this year. I just don't have the energy. Josh: yeah, I like that. Pat: I will watch the highlights. it's only like two games. Josh: Yeah, yeah. Pat: But tell me, what do I need to know? coming off of Josh: One Pat: the worst basketball season in Maryland history. Go. Josh: One, they have a team. Like last year, it was just like, my God. Who the fuck is this guy? Never. Yeah. Pat: A band of misfits, yeah. Josh: look, we all understand why. Buzz clearly didn't recruit, or have didn't have the opportunity to recruit. Buzz, Pat: Didn't have time. Yeah. Josh: we love you until we don't. field goal percentage is around 50%, which is nice. three point field goal percentage was around forty-one percent for a while until like the third quarter, which Or fourth quarter, which you know, Pat: They don't play quarters. Josh: was

second half. The third, the fourth. Yeah, that's what I meant. Pat: The second part of the second Yeah. Josh: it like you could just tell, like, yeah, just get the reps in, yeah, whatever, Pat: Jacking it up. Yeah. Josh: who gives a shit kind of thing. the one thing I really liked was the highlights that I saw was high intensity on defense, which is something that Buzz's team's known for forever. Pat: Uh-huh. Josh: Which is also something that makes me nervous because if you remember last year, they had some like promising transfers. And then like Feral Payne was hurt for several weeks. And then like another guy was out for like half the the season. And then another guy never got like it was one of the the five four star recruits that just couldn't get going. He apparently has a week where it's just like super high intensity like practices and workouts and Somebody always gets hurt. So may maybe this is your buzz just doesn't do that. But overall, it was it it w it looked pretty good. Pat: That's what I'm hearing. Josh: yeah. Yeah, Caden House looks like a real real score. I Pat: Caden House, freshman from Phoenix, Arizona, Compass Prep, Letters and Sciences major. Josh: His daddy. Daddy played for the Celtics. I thought his dad was really good. He just he looked like a the little softball player, which is just really funny that he was good. Uh-huh. but yeah, I mean, Baba. Pat: an MBA. Baba. Tell me about Baba. Josh: So well, first of all, Farrell Payne, I think, is the the dude that's gonna get this team going. Like he he's gonna he's a man against kids. Baba, I know this is d not a real game. He is supposed to be like he's not Derek Queen, but the problem is we're gonna be comparing him to Derrick Queen all year. I don't see it yet of him being a one and done. Like everything I'm reading online and like all of like the the projection people are like, yeah, he's gonna average like seven and five. and a couple assists a game. But overall he's gonna be like a really good player. But like I don't I don't get it yet. He's a high v like energy dude. He can jump out of the ceiling, but I don't know if he has an offensive game yet, like like Derek Queen did. Pat: Yeah, yeah, I but he's he doesn't he's six ten, two five, he's s you know, he's lanky, but Josh: Mm-hmm. Pat: Kevin Durant was lanky. Now he's not Kevin Durant. I'm not trying to say he's Kevin Durant. Everybody relax. Josh: Mm-hmm. Pat: But I mean it could something something could be there. Who knows? We'll see. Okay, so any anything else on that? Because I have my general thoughts going into the next couple games. Josh: Just just win. Just like be entertaining to watch. I I that's all I care about. Pat: Right. That's that's one. I am hopeful that well, I like Andre Mills being back. I like Farrell Payne being back. those are really the only two returners that I care about. Those are Josh: Yeah. Pat: those the only Turk George Turkson's back. Whatever, he's a rebound guy. Josh: There's there's a Spain the the Spaniard is also back who should be he should be good off Pat: Del Pino, yeah, Delpino, whatever. Josh: the bench. Pat: Yeah, we'll see. But I just want a team that doesn't rely on a guy like Diggy Coit to drop 50 in a game to win. Like Josh: Yeah, I yeah. Pat: Andre Mills, get him some time. I liked the way he finished out the year. I'm glad people like Darius Adams or whatever. I'm tired of those, those like supposed five stars that when you really peel back the layers. Were they a five star? Were they? Were they? Who was Josh: No. Pat: the other one? Kaiser? Boo. Josh: Yeah. Pat: I don't know. I don't I don't I'm tired of those people. I just need Feral Pain to stay healthy. I don't need Ola Datoun to be Derek Queen, but you know, just don't be a seven and five guy. I I want some double digits out of that guy. And play tough tough defense. That's One thing that Mark Turgeon teams did was play tough defense. And that's why like the 2019 and 2020 teams, while not having other than Anthony Cowan, they weren't these offensive juggernauts, but they could, you know, Daryl Mos Morcel was would get on a guy and end, end it. That's what I want. And I think they can have a good year. I think the Big Ten, I'm making this up completely. I am making this up. I think the Big Ten is weak. I made that up, but I don't care. I think the Big Ten is weak. I think they can make splash. Josh: Did you look at the trapezoid of of Truth or whatever? They have it's like I can't remember all the top man, it's like either Duke and Illinois as the favorites to win the whole thing. I haven't heard shit about anything or anyone at Illinois. Pat: I mean I'm in there always gonna always gonna put Duke up there. no. Are Ken is Ken Pom completely pay? thank God. All right. So they've got Big Ten teams at the top. So Duke's number one. You got Illinois up there, you got Michigan State up there. What a shock. N Nebraska's Josh: Kansas, Iowa State probably. Pat: sixteen. Josh: What's high point? Pat: I'll tell you Ohio State is twenty one. Let's find let's find where Maryland is, Purdue. Maryland is at fifty third. All right, that's fine. Underrate it, you know? Nobody knows. Right. Josh: Well, it's nobody knows how like the the biggest issue with college basketball, and that's gonna be every year, is nobody knows how these guys are gonna play together because they've never really done it in on game day. And for these freshmen, they don't develop until like January. You don't really know what their game is until then. Pat: Right. Right. where do you think high point is? Josh: Well on the trapezoid Pat: For reference, there are three hundred and sixty five teams. Josh: The trapezoid has high point above Florida State and Memphis, and a little bit below UCF. So I'm gonna say like sixty. Pat: Sixty one. They yep Josh: I think I Pat: and that that match clearly the trapezoid is based on some type of Ken Pom because everything you just said, there's Florida

Josh: Peace. Pat: State right there under them, there's UCF right there above them. Josh: It they base it off a pace and adjusted efficiency, which makes no sense for preseason. How do you know any of this? Pat: it's just projections and whatever. It'll all move. Let's see, we're Maryland Eastern Shore, three hundred and sixty seven. They are the worst. They are the worst team. Mississippi Valley Josh: Every year. Why? Pat: State's down there all the time too. And there's another one. Morgan State's way down here. Loyola, Maryland's way down here. Come on. I thought Maryland was supposed to be a hotbed of recruitment for basketball. Josh: Not have you been on the East Coast, like out there? It's bum fuck nowhere. Nobody wants to go there. I mean, Salisbury is a piece of shit college. Like nobody wants to go there and look out and just see farm people and you know the the inbreds just staring at you trying to have sex with you because they think you're your their sister or something. Okay. Pat: Navy is 274th, UMBC is 275th, right next to each other. That's pretty cool. Let's Josh: Except it's hap probably happy. Pat: just do one quick thing because I know we're we're almost done here. the lowest rated Big Ten team. Let's see, it's rated as B 10. let's go down. Do Josh: Is in northwestern. Pat: do do is Northwestern at 89. Penn State is 87. Rucker is 82. Oregon 79. Washington sixty-eight, Maryland sixty-three. So that is saying that Maryland is projected to finish one, two, three, four, five, thirteenth in the Big Ten. Indiana's forty-seven, Iowa, Minnesota. There's a lot of mid-tier stuff here. And then you get into top twenty-five. The teams they have in the top twenty-five are Purdue, Ohio State, Nebraska, Michigan State, and Illinois. So Like I said, I made it up. The Big Ten is weak. I still believe it. I think that's it. That's what I'm gonna say. The the Big Ten is weak. Josh: Yeah. Yeah. Yep. The the only surprising team that I see from the the trapezoid of truth thing. I mean obviously Texas. Vandy is apparently supposed to be good this year, according to the trapezoid, Pat: Yeah, thirteenth in Kempam, yeah. Josh: which is interesting. I gotta, I guess, dig into that a little bit more. and Cretan is there. Cretan, who's old the the old coach re retired or quit. And the former High Point University coach left Pat: Mm. Josh: after going on a run two years ago in the NCAA tournament to be the coach in waiting over there. Do you see how that works? A coach in waiting works where when you tell a guy that you're gonna be the coach in waiting, you start to recruit and and have the promising future, and then you don't get kicked to the curb to go to fucking Vanderbilt and then to goddamn Penn State to to lead the team and to be, you know, known forever. Pat: I don't know what you're referring to. Josh: you don't? That's so weird. Wow. Yeah. Pat: my goodness. All right. Well, let's just look. Let's just take a quick, quick, quick Maryland basketball Josh: Yeah, I'm annoyed. Pat: schedule. All right. that's one thing. The out of conference schedule is pretty, pretty Josh: Pretty good. Pat: good. I mean, Bucknell, you know, that that's just gonna be a bunch of white guys shooting threes. Who knows? It is what it is. where are they in Ken Pom? Josh: Yep, done matter even the annihilator. Pat: Why did I get off Ken Pom? Let's see where back, let's see where Josh: They're not good. They're like well well below. Pat: Let's see how Ken Pom. Oops. I just control F Ken Palm. Bucknell is three hundred and twenty-fifth. All right. So Bucknell. Georgetown on the road, which is just down the street. But that's fun. Then Virginia at home right away. Fuck yeah. That's what I'm talking about. my God. Just make sure you don't put in your shitty players what right after you go on a quick run. Josh: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Pat: Buzz. Alcorn State, R.I.P. Steve McNair, Wagner to nobody. Josh: Jesus. Pat: At Tennessee, I think that is that's like one of those feast week games, right? Yeah. Then American Josh: Y yeah, yeah, yeah. In Vegas. Pat: at home. Used to play American all the time. That's where Gary Williams coached. Josh: No, no, you skip the couple. Pat: Yep. Josh: Iowa State or San Diego and then they play another team. That would probably be pretty good. Pat: that's that's not listed here. well that's that's gonna be the the other parts of feast week. So it's not officially on the schedule yet, hence why it's not here. So you said Iowa State or San Diego State? Yeah. Josh: Yeah. And so they start with Tennessee and then I guess whatever happens after that, then they play Iowa State or San Diego. And then depending on those two games, they play somebody. Pat: Yeah. And then you got American and then they're into well, then they start conference play and then Morgan State in the middle. And then South Carolina at home. that's the Big Ten SEC challenge. Josh: Baltimore one. Pat: That's in Baltimore. And then Radford. And then it's the meat and potatoes of the conference schedule. Josh: Yeah, it's always weird why they schedule that like that. I don't really get it, but whatever. Pat: And the Alabama football way to do it. I guess I I would would guess Josh: I say we Pat: I don't Josh: decide we're gonna do it a little bit different this time because I can't Pat: Okay. Josh: have another situation where we are you know Maryland football on paper with this team should go eight and three. And I throw my phone halfway across the room. Pat: Right. Nope, not doing that again. Makes us look like idiots. Josh: Let's punt West Virginia, but well, that's not a real game. Bucknell and after the Georgetown game. Let's scope out what we think the rest of the what what this team is actually gonna be. Pat: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Josh: That gives us a month. So that's November. to then really figure out like, okay, is this team gonna be like yeah, Pat: What is it gonna look like in conference play? Josh: to really set up expectations so I don't kill myself. Pat: Yeah. Well, here's the thing is watch them win those games by a million and then go to Virginia or Virginia comes to town, they beat Virginia, Josh: Virginia, yeah. Pat: and then it's like, my god, this is gonna be the greatest thing or whatever. They'll lose a game or two at Feast Week, whatever, because who cares? And then No, I don't wanna do that. I don't wanna be this way. I I Josh: No, we're not doing that. No. Pat: I w here's I am done over rating teams. Josh: Get out of that. Buzz we trust. Pat: I'm done doing that. I'm also done under rating teams. I I just want to see. Show me show me who's there. Show me what we got. Just show me. And then I will I will decide. In Buzz We Trust for now. Josh: In buzz we trust for now until you d we don't. Pat: We right. He have a whore fuck Kevin Willard. That's what we'll end with. That guy sucks. well. Hold Josh: Yeah, piece piece of shit. Pat: on. Where's where's Villanova is thirty second in Kenpom. Fuck them. Ugh. Josh: Fuck him. It's probably gonna bully his his team into playing like shit and then blame them. Pat: Yeah, did he fire his coaches like he said in the tournament? What a loser. That guy's a loser. Kevin Willard is a loser. Josh: Yeah. Yeah. Five foot nothing, bold, pale ass dickhead. Pat: Anyway, all right. Good show. We'll Josh: Right. Okay. Pat: see you next time. All right, see you later.