התמלול המלא של 2 Middle Aged Geeks on...The Conjuring: Last Rites (2025)

that high on 76 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:11.279 the Chavez era of the Conjuring Universe, because. 77 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:14.279 He has now done huh us included. 78 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:19.560 Right, correct, us included. We've made no real secret here 79 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:22.759 that you and I did not like the nun too. 80 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:29.759 We like the Conjuring three. Fine, Liarna is fine, but 81 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:35.480 I'm just kind. 82 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:41.360 I mean, I will say before we get into the 83 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:43.639 whole actual review of it, our actually view with the 84 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:46.959 actual property, not just like the box office. We didn't 85 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:48.839 text a whole lot about this, we don't know a 86 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:52.000 lot of your journey, but we both came out pretty 87 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:54.079 clear and said this is our definitely our favorite of 88 00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:55.120 the Javes entries. 89 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:58.800 Yeah. I'm not sure how much that says, but right, 90 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:00.839 it's a little bar us slow barn. 91 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:03.879 I remember going into this, we were like, we were 92 00:06:03.959 --> 00:06:05.800 very excited to get this film, and then all of 93 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:08.199 a sudden, like our excitement went when we learned the 94 00:06:08.199 --> 00:06:09.240 shop that's just gonna be the one. 95 00:06:09.560 --> 00:06:12.600 We were on a podcast. I'm pretty sure too when 96 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:17.079 it happened, like I'm pretty sure the news broke while 97 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:19.399 we were sitting there talking and that. 98 00:06:19.639 --> 00:06:22.759 You can see our faces go down, yeah, both of us. 99 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:26.399 But then we both held this like like deep seated 100 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:29.600 like hope that it was gonna be one coming back 101 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:32.639 to finish it out at that point because he hasn't 102 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:35.040 done directing a bit, absolutely, but I mean, you know, 103 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:37.560 he was involved in writing and stuff, but we kind 104 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:39.240 of hoped that was gonna be Casey. I was actually 105 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:40.959 holding on hope, but even after the announcement, like they're 106 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:42.920 gonna change their minds, they could do something, and I 107 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:44.480 knew they weren't, but I was trying to like make 108 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:47.199 I kinda will it into existence, because I mean, the 109 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:49.720 Country franchises hasn't been the same, Like there's the there's 110 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:51.680 the wand directed ones, and then there's everything else. Let's 111 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:52.800 seat no. 112 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:55.720 No, I mean, I think Annabel Comes Home is the 113 00:06:55.759 --> 00:07:03.000 only one that like really really sniffs that because it's 114 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:05.759 also the only other film in the franchise to feature 115 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:09.519 the Warrens where and it feels very like interlocked with 116 00:07:09.560 --> 00:07:14.319 those movies, so that one really stands out comparatively. 117 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:17.040 And I like The Conjuring three more than you did 118 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:19.079 and more than most people did. And I think the 119 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:21.560 reason why it got a higher cinems square potentially also, 120 00:07:21.639 --> 00:07:25.480 I think initially the idea was that it kind of 121 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:27.199 took a swing and it took them out of the 122 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:30.120 haunted house vibe of the first two. Right, Oh, we're 123 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:32.120 doing something different. At least that's a good try, and 124 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:35.319 it more we see it, and the more I saw it, 125 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:37.600 I understand why people don't like it as much as 126 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:39.439 it is kind of like and more of like a 127 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:41.319 more of an action film than a horror film. At 128 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:42.519 some point, that's what it feels like. 129 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:44.519 No, you're not wrong, but. 130 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:48.480 We weren't excited about this one as much like we 131 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:51.000 were good. I guess we were good because we did 132 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:52.680 want to see the final one. We both kind of 133 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:54.959 came to ourselves where we were like pleading, like with 134 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:57.240 the Gods, where it was like, you know what, it's 135 00:07:57.240 --> 00:07:59.360 probably not gonna be great because shot is just directing it, 136 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:02.000 but just give us a give us an okay film 137 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:03.879 that like at least gives a good wrap up or 138 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:07.720 something like that, and I think we got that. I 139 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:09.879 think we mostly got that. 140 00:08:10.839 --> 00:08:15.759 I I think we mostly got a pretty okay film. Yeah, 141 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:20.000 I'm I'm not as high on it as some people 142 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:27.680 around us, yourself concluded. Probably maybe I think that the 143 00:08:27.800 --> 00:08:31.720 film continues to be lucky that it has Vera and 144 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:35.840 Patrick in the middle of it, because the truth of 145 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:41.960 the matter is I think this is like I like 146 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:44.279 a lot of the opening, I like a lot of 147 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:48.000 the ending, and by ending, I mean like the epilogue. 148 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:53.600 My problem is is everything in between? Right, this movie 149 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:58.320 takes almost

an hour for the like two storylines to 150 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:02.120 even begin to collide, and that's a problem. Yeah, like 151 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:06.879 this I actually looked at my watch during the movie 152 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:10.639 because I was like, why are we Why have we 153 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:14.559 not even made it to the family yet? Right in 154 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:18.320 this movie like spends its time spinning its wheels to 155 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:23.240 even like bring the two storylines together, And by the 156 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:27.480 time they get there, I was already like, halp out 157 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:27.840 the door. 158 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:31.960 I'm on board with you. I think that the nice 159 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:34.600 person it is this methodically paced. It just definitely too 160 00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:37.159 methodically pace. They had to spend a lot of time, 161 00:09:38.080 --> 00:09:42.240 like because of it being the finale. They wanted to 162 00:09:42.320 --> 00:09:46.519 make that finale splash in that everything goes back to 163 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:48.519 the beginning, as even the finales like to do. So 164 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:50.000 in order to do that, they kind of had to 165 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:53.559 invent this tale in the beginning. This is where you 166 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:56.639 get the young Warren couple in their first case where 167 00:09:56.639 --> 00:09:59.559 they failed, they ran away. They have to establish that 168 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:03.399 so that they can face that at the end. But 169 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:06.559 unfortunately that takes up a big chunk of time, and 170 00:10:06.600 --> 00:10:09.600 then you got to introduce the Smirl family, and then 171 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:12.360 you got to bring in the family with it, and 172 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:14.799 it's a lot of steps to get to because you 173 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:17.200 wanted to have that tie in finale, they could have 174 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:19.519 done it a better way, even like tying in the 175 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:22.120 first film though it wasn't their first case, because that 176 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:26.240 could have like at least given us the same feel cinematically, 177 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:29.320 and it wouldn't have taken as much time to establish 178 00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:31.399 that something I don't know what it necessarily would have been, 179 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:33.679 was a returning demon or something could have done something 180 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:35.879 that tied into the first film that way, and that 181 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:37.759 could have worked out better than having to take all 182 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:40.960 this time to really spread things out. I will say though, 183 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:44.639 once they did get there, they do have them. The 184 00:10:44.679 --> 00:10:46.639 third act is easily the best part of the film 185 00:10:47.639 --> 00:10:49.440 for me, I think I. 186 00:10:51.080 --> 00:10:53.879 Disagree, I need almost completely. 187 00:10:53.919 --> 00:10:55.840 Really, I think I thought I started getting going. 188 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:58.120 I felt that we were actually getting stakes again, and 189 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:00.279 we finally got movie. 190 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:02.879 It felt more, much more kinnet than the first two acts. 191 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:06.440 I think my biggest problem with the third act is 192 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:11.960 that it feels too easy. Okay, okay, And I know 193 00:11:12.039 --> 00:11:17.960 that that sounds almost unkind and unfair, but like I 194 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:22.799 don't mind the stuff with Judy, I understood that, And 195 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:25.399 I think this actually is a bigger problem with the 196 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:30.039 film that I have than necessarily just the third act. 197 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:36.919 I don't really understand the haunting, and I don't really 198 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:40.519 understand the point of the haunting, which means I don't 199 00:11:40.600 --> 00:11:44.919 understand the demons, which means the third act also doesn't 200 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:47.879 understand it, which is why it comes down to they 201 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:50.559 stare at a mirror and chant at. 202 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:54.320 It like that. 203 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:59.399 To me, all I could think is really, and I 204 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:03.679 think you're right, you nailed something. This should really tie 205 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:08.039 back to the other entries in a bigger way, because, 206 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:10.720 let's call it what it is, these movies, even though 207 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:13.960 they are based on a true story, I say that 208 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:17.200 on like fully in quotations for those who don't see 209 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:23.120 me on video. They're not real life at all, right, 210 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:28.159 So if you're gonna concoct a story, the least you 211 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:31.960 could do is at least try to tie it all together. 212 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:36.200 And like they really made it this point that Valik 213 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:39.960 was like the big bad in this franchise for so 214 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:45.120 long with the annabel demon, right, that really should have 215 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:49.360 been the focus. Now. Granted, the Annabelle doll comes to 216 00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:52.559 life at one point, which that was kind of fun, 217 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:54.840 but it's also really cheesy. 218 00:12:55.320 --> 00:12:57.519 It was extremely cheesy, and I kind of was like 219 00:12:57.799 --> 00:13:00.559 it felt forced, definitively, like we got get Anabell in 220 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:02.399 here for the final one. There's a lot of that. 221 00:13:02.440 --> 00:13:04.759 There's a lot

of like we something in the final 222 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:07.039 film that we have to make it work. I you 223 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:08.440 hit the nail the head there of the valid part 224 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:10.759 they should have just even if they wanted to incorporate 225 00:13:10.840 --> 00:13:13.759 I don't mind the incorporating the mirror into it, incorporating 226 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:16.519 the idea that they were going after Judy from the 227 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:18.799 get go for whatever reason, that's for. 228 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:21.039 Some reason, Judy Warren and. 229 00:13:23.519 --> 00:13:25.960 I'm sorry, Lorraine and Judy, We're doing like the Lord, 230 00:13:25.960 --> 00:13:28.360 we're pregnant with Judy and that's where the demon wants 231 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:30.759 her for some reason. Maybe because Lorraine's a powerful person 232 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:33.159 in the spiritual world. You could make something up like that. 233 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:35.320 But how it be Valik, the one that's been trying 234 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:37.320 to do it all along? And then maybe this is 235 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:39.759 like to reveal that her real end goal, because we 236 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:41.960 don't know valut real end goal per se throughout the 237 00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:44.480 entire series. We have some moments of it that could 238 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:46.440 be the Now the real thing is that all this 239 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:49.200 time they were trying to get to Judy, and they 240 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:51.360 were trying to do it through Lorraine or however however 241 00:13:51.399 --> 00:13:54.519 they could, and that ties it together and makes the 242 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:56.440 whole thing wrapped up in a pretty bow. 243 00:13:57.120 --> 00:14:00.879 Body agreed with you. I don't heard that or not. 244 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:05.799 He screaming because his theater should be going off here 245 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:07.840 any second, and he's letting me know he has not 246 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:15.200 eaten yet. Yeah, I don't know. This movie is full 247 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:19.159 of that, honestly, all these like little opportunities where something 248 00:14:19.200 --> 00:14:22.159 presents itself and then it doesn't follow through. And I 249 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:27.159 fully lay that on Javez as a filmmaker and as 250 00:14:27.320 --> 00:14:31.639 like one of the main people like creatively behind this film, right, 251 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:36.720 because he should one hundred percent know what they're all 252 00:14:36.759 --> 00:14:41.759 getting into with this, and it just kind of feels aimless. 253 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:45.600 And I weirdly enjoyed the movie more when it was 254 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:50.840 more like this family drama like Lawren's hanging. 255 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:55.360 Out right, And I say that, I would say really quickly. 256 00:14:55.919 --> 00:14:58.600 The idea this is solidified to me is Michael Chavas 257 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:01.120 is not a horror director. He really is. He relies 258 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:03.120 way too much on jump scares. Wise, he has not 259 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:06.159 had set tone very well, does not too creepy very well. 260 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:08.840 So the reason why this is his best work in 261 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:11.759 his franchise is because he leans on the strength that 262 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:15.240 he has, strength that he does have, and the chemistry 263 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:18.200 of of Lorena, Patrick Wilson, bar Formiga. He knows that's 264 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:19.840 his bread and butter that's going to get him through this, 265 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:22.879 and they do because, like you said, the family drama 266 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:26.960 moments with them is easily the best parts of the film. 267 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:29.279 Well, and I'm gonna give me a Thomlinson and Ben 268 00:15:29.320 --> 00:15:31.879 Hardy some love here too. Yes, I like both them 269 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:35.159 a lot. They're very good in this. The Judy and 270 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:39.679 Tony angle is really good and really fun. And it 271 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:41.919 adds a new dynamic, and it adds a new layer. 272 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:44.639 I really like Tony. I thought Tony was a super 273 00:15:44.840 --> 00:15:45.639 fun character. 274 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:49.159 I agree on many levels. So the nice backstory, he 275 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:51.360 had a nice little backstory, Like they didn't waste a 276 00:15:51.399 --> 00:15:52.840 lot of time on it, but he got enough that 277 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:55.159 he had up the conversation about his his night as 278 00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:56.240 a cop and everything else. 279 00:15:56.480 --> 00:16:00.600 And you see him like this be introduced to this world, 280 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:04.200 but like going into it because he loves I Lovetduce 281 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:06.440 as much as it is, and. 282 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:08.000 It is a very nice thing. Ben Hardy's a great actor. 283 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:10.039 I like Ben Hardy quite a bet. So he makes 284 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:10.480 it work. 285 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:13.159 No, he makes it work. And he's really fun in this, 286 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:18.120 which is like the four of them are great. I 287 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:20.360 wish that I felt that way about anyone else. And 288 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:23.600 it's so funny because the film does this thing with 289 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:28.320 Steve Colter who returns his father Gordon, who's really kind 290 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:30.399 of a non entity in these films. 291 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:34.399 Let's call it what it is, right that. 292 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:39.000 Right suddenly he's this major fucking player in the movie 293 00:16:39.200 --> 00:16:41.840 who

is like been there the whole time, and like, 294 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:44.039 don't get me wrong, he's been there since the first one, 295 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:49.679 but he's really never been a part, right, and now 296 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:53.159 suddenly he's like a key B player in the films 297 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:55.600 and they build him out like we were supposed to 298 00:16:55.639 --> 00:16:57.559 really care about this character. 299 00:16:57.600 --> 00:16:59.440 Right, I mean I kind of think I think it 300 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:02.320 looked like I mean it and he's good, very wrong 301 00:17:02.919 --> 00:17:04.519 to be fair. It kind of reminded me a little 302 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:08.480 bit of Mission Impossible. And bringing Back is the first 303 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:11.039 the villain for the first Henry series, the first first 304 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:12.920 film out the villain. I can't remember his name, but whatever, 305 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:15.880 because a lot of people love that, but I in 306 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:16.960 the back of my head is kind of like, oh, 307 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:19.799 it's that's nice. That's cool, But like I didn't think 308 00:17:19.799 --> 00:17:22.759 he was like that, like that key of a character. 309 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:25.960 To bringing Back comparatively, I was like, but either way. 310 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:29.319 Yeah, but I mean like a major player, right. That 311 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:34.400 was more of like winking, like we know what it is, right, right, 312 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:34.920 I got? 313 00:17:35.079 --> 00:17:37.359 I got, And it just kind of made it. 314 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:40.880 Like a real B storyline thing with this character. Yeah, 315 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:44.240 and it's kind of the catalyst of the entire thing 316 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:46.559 and you're like, I'm sorry, what right? 317 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:47.440 Yeah? 318 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:49.720 And then there's the Smirl family. 319 00:17:50.119 --> 00:17:50.400 Hmm. 320 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:56.680 Everyone in it is trying and I'm not gonna deny 321 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:00.519 them that, but I don't find any of the characters 322 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:01.880 interesting at all. 323 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:06.559 They seem like parodies of previous not even parodies. I 324 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:09.039 shouldn't say parody. It's nottre being funny, you're being done. 325 00:18:09.039 --> 00:18:11.839 But like it just feels like a all are number 326 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:14.400 versions of the two of the first two pretty much, 327 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:19.480 which is why, to be fair, not like to maybe 328 00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:23.799 caught them a little slack. There is something about the 329 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:27.079 genericness of the tale, like it's always a it's a 330 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:30.480 haunted house and the Warrens come in. It's a hot house, 331 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:34.279 hatted family. The Warrens come in, and that's what happens. 332 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:37.480 It always happens to be big families. It always happens 333 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:38.839 to have like a bunch of kids and stuff and 334 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:41.480 everything else. So but so I guess they could have 335 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:43.359 done is like change it up. I mean, I know 336 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:45.559 it's it's a true story, but like they could change 337 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:48.000 up with like the smaller family, bigger family, that kind 338 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:51.480 of thing. But it's why they kind of went away 339 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:53.559 from that. But I I get why they go back 340 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:55.559 to that, especially if it's the final film or whatever. 341 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:59.119 Right, But it's just so interesting. 342 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:01.400 Because the pro cons of it prone cos Yeah, and 343 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:03.039 we got the con of it is that just kind 344 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:05.279 of like they start blending together. And it's funny because 345 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:07.920 you have the scene the wedding at the end where 346 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:11.680 we yet all the Easter eggs of everybody coming. 347 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:14.039 Back, yes, correct, everybody. 348 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:16.440 They're like, oh, it's that person. It's that person. Oh 349 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:17.480 look it's James One. 350 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:21.480 By the way, do you do you understand now what 351 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:23.680 I called it the Bad Boys for Life moment for 352 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:28.000 the franchise where suddenly they're at a wedding and the 353 00:19:28.039 --> 00:19:31.039 filmmaker who created the franchise is a guest with in 354 00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:31.480 the wedding. 355 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:34.359 Yes, yes, indeed, as soon as I saw it, like 356 00:19:34.400 --> 00:19:36.640 I saw it, Oh there's days what and that's the 357 00:19:36.680 --> 00:19:39.720 Bad Boys PJ was talking about okay, because. 358 00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:42.000 I said that was one of the only things I 359 00:19:42.039 --> 00:19:45.039 said in our group chat with Jeff was there's a 360 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:48.559 this movie has a bad Bad Boys for Life moment 361 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:51.119 And they were both like, wait, what that's all you'll 362 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:54.160 understand when you see it, because it doesn't make sense 363 00:19:54.519 --> 00:19:55.920 unless you've seen. 364 00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:58.359 It, right, exactly absolutely. 365 00:19:57.880 --> 00:20:00.960 And the thing is is like, not only is he there, 366 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:03.680 they don't quite do what they did in Bad Boys 367 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:05.759 for life where they let like they do the Michael 368 00:20:05.799 --> 00:20:09.440 Bay shot around Michael Bay

and like give him dialogue 369 00:20:09.640 --> 00:20:12.519 right right, right, They fucking put this dude front and 370 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:16.039 center of this wedding, and like the camera continues to 371 00:20:16.039 --> 00:20:16.960 sit on him for. 372 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:19.160 A while, right, And it's funny because like they do 373 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:22.480 put him behind somebody, but like he's off the side 374 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:25.559 and your focus is right there, like yeah, and it's out. 375 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:27.640 Funny because the people in front of him are people 376 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:32.400 from the movies, right, yes, exactly, And I don't I mean, 377 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:33.640 it's he deserves it. 378 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:34.160 Put him in there. 379 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:34.920 That's why I was here. 380 00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:38.480 That's fine, But it was definitely a little humorous. However, 381 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:42.119 like seeing all those guests then it does a seem 382 00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:43.519 kind of like a little bit of a forced way 383 00:20:43.559 --> 00:20:45.839 to like, oh, yep, saying goodbye to everybody now. But 384 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:48.240 I was okay with that to a degree. But it 385 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:50.920 does highlight when you see all his characters, like how 386 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:53.559 similar the Smirl family was. 387 00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:56.440 Everybody else is a ghost. It's like, oh, yeah, it's 388 00:20:56.440 --> 00:20:58.720 those guys they okay. 389 00:20:58.759 --> 00:21:01.839 But also I'm gonna throw this out here, where were 390 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:06.240 Katie Saphi and Madison Iceman and all this? Like so 391 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:09.200 you have all these people who were in their lives 392 00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:13.079 that they helped protect and save. But the one film 393 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:16.039 in the franchise that Judy is the lead of in 394 00:21:16.119 --> 00:21:21.039 their like major characters because they're the babysitter characters. Yeah, 395 00:21:21.079 --> 00:21:24.400 and one of them has this whole conversation with Lorraine 396 00:21:24.480 --> 00:21:27.680 at the end of the movie, and it's like it's this, 397 00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:32.359 it's the whole like important like crux of the film, 398 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:34.759 and neither of them are at the wedding. 399 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:39.279 Good plait, very good. It must have been busy. They're 400 00:21:39.319 --> 00:21:40.680 shooting Marvel filmers on them. 401 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:43.359 I just couldn't believe it. I was like, so you 402 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:46.680 have all these people, all these people. 403 00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:48.640 Yeah, the fuck? 404 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:49.400 Yeah. 405 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:54.359 It was definitely definitely glaring in bio mission for sure, 406 00:21:57.680 --> 00:21:59.599 going back to the

but going back to that, I 407 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:01.640 took it this way because we're talking about the generic 408 00:22:01.640 --> 00:22:03.279 and so this smirrel family because we didn't really care 409 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:04.559 and you're right, I don't care about any of them. 410 00:22:04.599 --> 00:22:06.039 They were just kind of annoying for the most part. 411 00:22:06.039 --> 00:22:07.240 And I mean no, they weren't even annoying. 412 00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:10.240 They were just kind of insipid and vapid and not 413 00:22:10.279 --> 00:22:13.000 adding anything to it. Like I don't care about them 414 00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:17.519 at all. So it does take away from the film 415 00:22:17.559 --> 00:22:20.319 a little bit. But I think in someone like Wan's hands, 416 00:22:20.319 --> 00:22:22.880 you could have made it work. But Chavez is not 417 00:22:23.319 --> 00:22:24.640 talented enough to make that work. 418 00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:27.839 He's not going to and that this is forever going 419 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:29.880 to be the big problem with the back end of 420 00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:34.640 this franchise just in general, and that is that I 421 00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:36.759 just don't think Chavez is a very good filmmaker. 422 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:38.720 And I hope, I hope that they do go on 423 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:40.599 to a phase two or whatever they're talking about. Whatever 424 00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:43.920 doone James wants talking about, Please just get Shavas out. 425 00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:46.519 I don't know what he has on Wan, because what's 426 00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:49.160 got to know he's got He's watching the same movies. 427 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:52.480 We know you're a talented filmmaker, Wan, you are brilliant, 428 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:56.160 and all your films are brilliant. I even like the 429 00:22:56.480 --> 00:22:59.920 Less Loved Ones have great moments in it, like Appuaband. 430 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:01.680 This Alkoman two is derided. 431 00:23:01.799 --> 00:23:03.720 I thought it was fine because it had a lot 432 00:23:03.720 --> 00:23:05.559 of great wand moments and it still looked good, It 433 00:23:05.759 --> 00:23:08.480 looked vibrant. That was like studio messing with that. I 434 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:12.559 believe this is what you can do. So how can 435 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:18.319 you watch this? Watch shaves direct and if you want 436 00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:22.119 to give him some spinoffs, a spinoff or so, fine, 437 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:24.759 I don't love it. But if you like working with 438 00:23:24.799 --> 00:23:27.680 the guy, he's your best friend or something, fine, But 439 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:30.960 like somebody else's got a shepherd the franchise and you 440 00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:33.839 can't have him directing every especially directly, every single one. 441 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:36.000 If you want to do like they did like four 442 00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:38.720 conjuring films, then he did one of them. Like I'm sorry, 443 00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:41.160 spinoffs whatever, did one of them. I'd be like, okay, whatever, 444 00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:42.400 I don't love it, but it is what it is. 445 00:23:42.759 --> 00:23:44.920 But he can't be doing every freaking one at this point. 446 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:48.359 No, And that the big problem is is like he's 447 00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:51.359 now done a bulk of the franchise and he's directed 448 00:23:51.720 --> 00:23:56.680 basically the entire back half of the series because he's 449 00:23:56.680 --> 00:24:00.839 done the last three. Annabel Comes Home is right around 450 00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:03.559 the same one, and you know, I know they continue 451 00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:11.200 trying to downplay the Curse of Lirona, but like. 452 00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:14.920 If you watch again, no, we hate that, we hate 453 00:24:15.039 --> 00:24:16.519 like this is not the way you can do this part. 454 00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:18.279 It's part of the universe, whether you like it or not. 455 00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:23.279 Yeah, apparently, Also, I did not realize that there is 456 00:24:23.319 --> 00:24:27.720 another film called Wolves at the Door that features another 457 00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:36.759 character from Annabel also real. Yeah, so there is one 458 00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:40.279 we missed. So there is another film that is set 459 00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:46.000 in the universe. But Liarna was twenty seventeen and Annabel 460 00:24:46.119 --> 00:24:51.599 Comes Home is twenty nineteen. So we've had of the 461 00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:59.960 last one, two, three, four, five, six films seven including Liral, 462 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:03.880 he's directed four of them. So he's basically directed a 463 00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:06.359 bulk of the back end of this franchise. 464 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:10.279 And that's that's problematic. That's just problematic. 465 00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:11.680 The thing is he's not It's not. 466 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:16.400 Like he is not untalented, right, He's not glaringly bad. 467 00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:20.519 He's pretty competent, like getting things done, getting shots in. 468 00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:21.920 It's just. 469 00:25:24.400 --> 00:25:27.960 Nothing sparking about it, like fiery, Like I don't watch 470 00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:30.759 it and get excited about it at all. So we 471 00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:33.079 have to cut by the way at some point, just 472 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:33.799 I don't know where. 473 00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:36.519 We know where we might have to I I I 474 00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:38.759 had no idea it was a thing until just now 475 00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:42.279 going down the rabbit hole looking at the franchise. 476 00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:45.519 And it was inserted. We're going to start it after 477 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:47.640 him Black Ostbusters. We'll go back and do that as 478

00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:48.759 I go one in between our. 479 00:25:50.440 --> 00:25:52.880 I'll do that I mean, dude, I hate to say it, 480 00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:57.279 and like I look at the franchise and it's like, 481 00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:04.359 it's wild me that the last three films are all 482 00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:08.720 his films and they're all so poorly really like reviewed comparatively. 483 00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:13.119 The only film that you can that is beneath those 484 00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:15.400 is the original Nun, which I just don't agree with. 485 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:16.119 Yeah I don't. 486 00:26:16.119 --> 00:26:18.119 We both though we both think that's my right favorite 487 00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:21.960 films in the series at this point comparatively anyway, Right, 488 00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:27.240 my question is the question we we obviously, you know, 489 00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:29.759 we're not at Warner Brothers, we're not at James Wants 490 00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:32.640 production studios, so we don't know why. But there's got 491 00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:34.160 to be a reason why we could call him back 492 00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:36.319 to him? Is it just because does he just get 493 00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:41.359 things done on budget, on time and competently. So they're like, well, 494 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:42.720 you know what we could do worse. 495 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:46.519 Exactly? Is that all it is? Is he yes? Man, 496 00:26:46.599 --> 00:26:47.920 Like he's like, yeah, sure, don't ever want to do? 497 00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:48.759 Is that it? 498 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:52.160 Like, I don't understand. I don't understand. I just think 499 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:57.359 that James Won himself, who is such a vibrant, exciting filmmaker. 500 00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:01.839 I would think he'd want vibrant citing filmmakers or at 501 00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:06.240 the very least give somebody a chance to be give 502 00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:08.559 a new person a chance to do a film like 503 00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:11.000 this in the universe. If you, guys, you've got a 504 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:13.359 lot of great young horror directors out there would probably 505 00:27:13.400 --> 00:27:13.720 like to. 506 00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:18.599 Just I feel like that was kind of partially the 507 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:21.240 idea around this franchise to begin with. When you look 508 00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:26.400 at like with you Hadjuan doing the initial two Conjuring films, 509 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:31.160 but you were tossing in different filmmakers throughout, like Gary 510 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:33.359 Doberman was writing a lot of them, but you'd have 511 00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:35.880 like a korn Hardy walk in, you would have a 512 00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:39.319 David Sandberg come in, you'd had Doberman actually direct one 513 00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:42.960 of them on his own. At the time, having Chavez 514 00:27:43.000

--> 00:27:45.079 come in made sense because. 515 00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:46.359 That absolutely in that mold. 516 00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:51.079 But I always just assumed that we would just keep doing. 517 00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:52.839 That and that's what we should have done it. 518 00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:54.799 But that's not what happened. 519 00:27:54.920 --> 00:27:57.920 It's either Wan or it should be a new fun 520 00:27:59.000 --> 00:27:59.640 swing on the. 521 00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:03.119 Franchise, because like, this isn't a series where it needs 522 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:04.880 to be homogenized, and that's what it feels like. It's 523 00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:08.000 getting homogenized by doing I mean the same thing happened 524 00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:09.920 to Harry Potter. If you think about it like we had, 525 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:11.720 I've always said that. 526 00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:12.680 Then you have. 527 00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:16.400 Obviously the most exciting vibrant film in the series is 528 00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:20.839 quar Owen's Prisoner Back at Laska Band. Yeah, so they're 529 00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:23.799 random couble of fire. Then also to get Yates, and 530 00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:26.240 Yates just did everything else, and there's a reason why 531 00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:29.839 by now it's just right and now it's just I'm 532 00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:31.119 out of it now. It just feels like the same 533 00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:33.400 thing over and over again. Where frands like that could 534 00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:37.079 have absolutely used somebody different for the spinoffs, Rand you 535 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:38.680 should absolutely been direct by somebody else. 536 00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:41.000 I said that from the beginning. 537 00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:43.720 Give it a new vibrant outlook or something like that. 538 00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:47.240 Somebody who can have some more more state in the 539 00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:49.359 get foot in the game or whatever or whatever it is. 540 00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:51.200 So I don't know, I don't get it, but it 541 00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:53.559 is definitely the downfall of this film for sure and 542 00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:57.839 the franchise. I'll be harder now. We are being harder 543 00:28:57.960 --> 00:28:59.599 now because I will say I want to I want 544 00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:02.000 to remind everybody why in the beginning I expect to it. 545 00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:06.480 This is our favorite Shavs film of the series. So 546 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:09.880 he did do some things right in this film, although 547 00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:12.359 your milds may vary and how much that's him and 548 00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:16.559 how much it's just from the amazing energy and charisma 549 00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:21.319 and camaraderie, a chemistry between the Wilson's. 550 00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:26.839 Yeah, and I'll say this one of the best scenes 551 00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:30.960 in the movie, once again proving the I think Chavez 552 00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:34.039 is better at doing quieter moments than he is at 553 00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:38.240 the horror itself. And so we have that entire scene 554 00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:43.720 where we learn about Tony's past as a cop and 555 00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:47.400 everything that happened there. But then there's a scene after 556 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:52.519 where he and Ed are in the kitchen as they've 557 00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:55.160 decided to stay through the smirl stuff and help them, 558 00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:57.960 and he goes, is it like this every time? And 559 00:29:58.000 --> 00:29:59.960 he goes, what do you mean? And and he goes, 560 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:04.519 you sitting here like making food and doing and Ed 561 00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:07.960 has this entire monologue about how why they come in 562 00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:12.039 and they're trying to give them happiness and like why 563 00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:13.680 they do what they do to try to take a 564 00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:15.359 little bit off their plate to try to help the 565 00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:18.839 situation right, And it's the best scene in the movie. 566 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:22.400 And it's funny because it mirrors the fact that I've 567 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:25.720 said from the beginning. My favorite scene in the franchise 568 00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:27.440 is the scene when he pulls out his guitar and 569 00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:31.319 starts playing Elvis in The Conjuring Too. And it's such 570 00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:37.680 a nice yeah, which was nice, and you really lean 571 00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:40.519 on that in this moment and it really works. It's 572 00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:41.240 really good. 573 00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:46.079 Yeah, I really like that from The Conjuring Too as well. 574 00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:47.640 We both love that scene. That was our favorite, like 575 00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:49.519 one of our favorite moments of the film too, because 576 00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:53.200 of what it meant. It gave us, gave us stakes 577 00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:56.839 to those characters. It gave us, like, we know this 578 00:30:56.960 --> 00:30:58.599 character more now. Also, we know a little bit more 579 00:30:58.599 --> 00:30:59.880 about him. We're going to root for him. 580 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:02.079 We see what he's trying to do, We see the 581 00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:04.599 emotion that he's putting into it, and we said, that's 582 00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:10.480 because Patrick Wilson delivers right, would take that out. That's 583 00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:13.440 that's what makes a good horror film. Great horror films. 584 00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:16.119 You get those moments like that because you could have 585 00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:18.000 the slasher moment, you could have the ghosts coming, or 586 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:19.440 you have the jump scares. They're

all going to have that. 587 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:21.240 You can have the kind of spectacular kills or whatever 588 00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:25.400 you're gonna have. But if you don't care about those 589 00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:28.440 main characters. Then it's just kind of like okay, next. 590 00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:33.119 Yeah, yeah. And it's funny because like there is a 591 00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:35.039 lot of trying to do call back type of stuff 592 00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:38.240 in this, Like we have an entire sequence that involves 593 00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:41.440 stairs in a basement. Again, did you notice that? 594 00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:43.039 I did notice that. 595 00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:44.119 I did notice that. 596 00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:47.279 I'll say this, the initial like going down in the 597 00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:49.680 basement and like the shadow figure being in the back 598 00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:51.200 and stuff. That was actually pretty good. 599 00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:55.759 Yes, yeah, that was one of the best job That 600 00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:57.599 was one of the best jump scared type moments or 601 00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:00.480 whatever it was that that was there. Because that actually 602 00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:03.279 was good tone and because I saw that, I was like, oh, 603 00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:05.680 that's actually feel bad. 604 00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:07.519 I feel bad, says of like did somebody else tract 605 00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:07.960 this moment? 606 00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:12.559 Well, the camera's really the way it moves around and 607 00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:15.640 stuff in that scene is really good too, because it's 608 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:18.319 so funny. He tries to do the James wand Wonner. 609 00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:20.839 I don't know if you caught that when we first 610 00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:24.200 get to the Smirl house, but it's like a real 611 00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:27.480 quick version of it, and it doesn't really work. 612 00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:33.640 It feels like what it is a cheap yeah, a 613 00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:38.400 less better, lesser version of somebody who's actually doing it properly. Yeah, 614 00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:40.119 that's what the whole film feels like, honestly. 615 00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:46.039 Comparatively, No, it does, and I think that that's why, Like, honestly, 616 00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:48.839 I've struggled a little bit with this one, because I 617 00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:50.920 like it a little more the more I think about it. 618 00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:54.000 And it's only because I like the stuff that I 619 00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:58.720 like in it, which is the cast. I like the characters, 620 00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:01.960 like the main or really make this work. There's a 621 00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:06.599 great scene involving Judy when she goes to get her 622 00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:13.480 wedding drugging dress. Yep, yes, yeah, like that scene is fantastic. Actually, 623 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:19.200 further point, the scene when Tony goes to propose to her, 624 00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:22.000 or at least ask for the permission to the family 625 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:25.440 and then like like he drops the ring in front 626 00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:28.519 of her and she sees it and realizes what's happening 627 00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:29.400 is great. 628 00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:32.839 Yeah, And it's and it's because of the chemistry of 629 00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:36.480 those characters. They have that great Yeah. Think Patrick Wilson 630 00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:41.319 being in the curmudgedly you know father who's not quite 631 00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:43.839 ready to let go. But you know, I understand it's 632 00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:47.160 probably that he Tony's a good person. Yeah, you know, 633 00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:49.119 all that kind of stuff and Vera being the same 634 00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:51.359 mother that she's gonna be very supportivecause she's the love. 635 00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:55.039 It all makes sense perfectly, and which is why if 636 00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:57.079 they did want to go on and Phase two was 637 00:33:57.160 --> 00:34:00.599 more Tony and Judy, I'd be okay with that. But 638 00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:02.759 I'm hoping and pray to God you just get somebody 639 00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:04.960 else to direct them at this point, just like we 640 00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:07.359 need new Blood new Blood for new Blood. 641 00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:13.039 Well, it's funny because yesterday Puck broke the news that 642 00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:17.039 they're looking at doing a prequel film because the film's 643 00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:22.880 opening is like number one, really long, really long opening. 644 00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:25.599 Yeah, but. 645 00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:30.199 It's an opening that is about the day that Judy 646 00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:33.960 was born. And we have Oriyan Smith and Madison Lawler 647 00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.320 playing Ed and Lorraine in it, and they're both very good. 648 00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:43.639 Don't get me wrong, they're both very good. However, the 649 00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:49.239 other side of that is it really comes at a 650 00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:52.199 price to the film. I don't need that cold open 651 00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:56.760 because we get the story later from Ed about why 652 00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:59.480 he cares so much about her, and the only reason 653 00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:03.639 it exists is to put the mirror in play, right. 654 00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:08.639 But once again, I'm irritated because I really just don't 655 00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:13.599 understand the point of the mirror in the Haunting. 656 00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:16.360 Yeah, I mean. 657 00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:19.960 Other than an imprint on her at the beginning, but 658 00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:21.360 it just feels forced. 659 00:35:21.679 -->

00:35:25.000 Yeah, it's the way they try to connect the things 660 00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:28.079 together away. I mean, I understand what they're going for, 661 00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:30.239 but I also understand why you had a problem with 662 00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:32.840 because it does seem kind of a weirdly just a 663 00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:34.559 weird kind of way to do it, because like the 664 00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:38.440 grandmother just buys this. I think I almost rather find 665 00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:41.320 out how the grandma grandparents got the mirror. Maybe like 666 00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:43.159 that would make maybe that would make it tell you, 667 00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:45.719 but no, it's like, I know they tell you about it, 668 00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:47.880 but like if there was something more beyond that, behind 669 00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:50.880 that that we don't know, that could have been factored 670 00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:52.400 in somehow, But then you can't do it in this film. 671 00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:54.000 The film's already too long as it is. 672 00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:58.239 I think that could have worked it about better, perhaps 673 00:35:58.400 --> 00:35:59.960 depending on how they did it. I don't know. 674 00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:02.400 I'm not sure. I don't mind it as much as 675 00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:04.119 you do. The mirror I kind of accept. 676 00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:06.360 Okay, so the mirror was there at the beginning, is 677 00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.079 there in the beginning in prints on Judy and Lorraine, 678 00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:12.119 and then so that's what has to happen. That's what 679 00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:13.400 we're going to get to at the end. It just 680 00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:15.360 happens to be the smurl family. It just makes that 681 00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:19.639 Smuirrel family very irrelevant. Honestly, that's what I do. 682 00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:22.079 And I think that, yeah, exactly, I was gonna say. 683 00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:23.840 I think that's the issues. I think that it just 684 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:27.440 makes them kind of irrelevant to the story. And frankly speaking, 685 00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:31.159 because I think even I'll even argue for the third film, 686 00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:35.599 I understand what's happening in that movie better. I think 687 00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:39.480 that the characters are all like pretty well defined, all 688 00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:43.280 things being equal, and I understand the haunting. I understand 689 00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:46.559 what's going on with it. This is the first time 690 00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:51.320 in the mainline franchise where I just don't quite understand 691 00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:56.440 the point and I know that sounds weird, but like again, 692 00:36:56.599 --> 00:36:58.360 I would argue that it would have been better had 693 00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:01.599 it been revealed that it was or something, because they

694 00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:04.719 kind of hint at the idea too right, and then 695 00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:07.360 they never really follow up with it. Because the entire 696 00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:12.199 sequence involving Father Gordon when he's having the nightmare and 697 00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:15.960 the doorknob does the thing where it turns just like 698 00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.519 in the Conjuring Tune, it turns upside down, but we 699 00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:20.599 never follow through with that, right. 700 00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:22.760 I know it meant to be that. 701 00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:27.000 I believe that would put in there is a visual throwback, 702 00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:31.280 but unfortunately, what that visual throwback does is tease something 703 00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:34.599 that's not in the rest of the movie. Right, And 704 00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:37.000 so I totally, I totally agree that this this needed 705 00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:38.840 a big batty to finish it out. They needed a 706 00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:41.079 big He didn't need a random do this is like 707 00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:45.039 a big like like having the end of the Infinity 708 00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:48.000 in like endgame and having like the know it's his 709 00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:50.440 cousin or something that'd be the bad guy at the 710 00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:54.679 other it's something missing from it. There's nothing to grab 711 00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:57.079 your hands on too. This is just some random demon 712 00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:01.480 that happened to imprint on her. It feels like we're 713 00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:05.000 inventing this for a finale. It's inventing the villain for 714 00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:05.639 a finale. 715 00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:06.480 It's just right. 716 00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:09.840 And I think that's why, Like it also feels so 717 00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:14.920 safe in the wrong way. Yeah, because and that's why 718 00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:17.960 the third act doesn't really fully work for me. Again, 719 00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:21.239 there's some stuff that's really good in it, Like I 720 00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:23.239 love when Judy goes up and she sees the riding 721 00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:25.320 on the walls and she really she goes Annabelle and 722 00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:29.840 she realizes, like, you know, and again you're teasing this 723 00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:32.679 idea that now annabel is somehow involved in all this. 724 00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:36.639 Right, but it almost feels like they're trying to do 725 00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:38.840 and I don't I can be wrong. I almost feel 726 00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:40.639 like they're the way they're trying to tease it. And 727 00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:42.320 maybe it would have been better if that's the case, 728 00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:44.719 if like the Big Bad, even if it was a 729 00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:47.239 new bad, the big Bad was like the villain all 730 00:38:47.280 -->

00:38:52.280 along throughout the entirety, Like Annabelle was this demon. 731 00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:54.719 Vallock was even this demon. 732 00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:57.360 Who were like or with all of them or values 733 00:38:57.400 --> 00:38:58.960 all I'm talking they didn't want to do Vallock, I'll 734 00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:00.800 say they didn't want to do Valance guy whoever was 735 00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:03.119 the head of Valk or something like that, and that 736 00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:06.000 they were involved in every single one was this big 737 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:08.760 bad demon that all other demons that you see were 738 00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:12.119 like they're soldiers or they're lesser demons or whatever. That 739 00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:14.679 could have brought the stakes up even more. And that's 740 00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:16.280 what you when you bring in that stuff with annabel 741 00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:17.239 it's like, oh, that makes sense. 742 00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:17.760 Now. 743 00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:19.360 It just kind of feels like, Okay, we're gonna throw 744 00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:20.760 the doll in there because we need a dull in there, 745 00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:23.239 because that's right, that's to face the franchise. How the 746 00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:25.239 Warrans trying to face the franchise and a Bell's to 747 00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:26.119 face the franchise. 748 00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:28.840 Yeah right, I mean, you're not wrong at all. And 749 00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:34.760 it's funny because like the stuff that really works, it 750 00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:38.320 does work. It's just at the same time undermined by 751 00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:41.320 so much stuff that doesn't work. 752 00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:44.360 Like because what the prequel is gonna be. 753 00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:46.760 To me as far as especially if the prequel involved 754 00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:49.000 Job is coming back, I'm gonna be I'm gonna see 755 00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:50.679 it because I'm gonna see all the conjuring drums. I 756 00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:53.800 enough to watch it, not gonna be so disappointed because 757 00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:56.159 at this point he this needs to be his last 758 00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:59.760 conjuring film. But like you're gonna make a prequel with 759 00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:03.559 the young Warrens with Shavs directing, there's nothing to glom 760 00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:06.400 Onte because they're are You're already facing an uphill battle. 761 00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:08.800 Riya Spent and Madison Lawler, We're fine. I don't think 762 00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:12.000 nothing against them, but for them to carry the movie 763 00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:15.480 without Pat, without Patrick Wilson and Vera Farmiga like to 764 00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:19.840 anchor it down and it's the competence safe story that's 765 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:21.719 gonna probably be the worst film in the franchise. 766 00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:26.079 I mean I also would argue, and this is next. 767 00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:28.000 Maybe you know, maybe not maybe not worth standa bell. 768 00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:32.480 But no, there's but also like, are we really clamoring 769 00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:37.079 for we just got their last case? Do we really 770 00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:38.400 need the first case? 771 00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:42.159 No, we don't. If we're gonna move on, we need 772 00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:45.559 to do two one or two things spinoffs. More spinoffs 773 00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:49.599 is fine, or I would be okay with Judy and 774 00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:52.280 and Tony doing more stuff. I'd be okay with that 775 00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:53.920 if you want to do it that way. That and 776 00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:57.199 in a way, maybe they should do those, not do 777 00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:00.199 many spinoffs? Do Judy and Tony's case, Like, give then 778 00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:02.440 they're young, give them a bunch of cases. I will 779 00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:04.840 have them be Phase two and then see what happens. 780 00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:07.599 Make them be the slender Man case kind of thing. 781 00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:11.119 You can really veer off from the true story aspect now. 782 00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:13.639 I think at this point with the retirement, that's what 783 00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:17.280 doesn't make sense to me. I really like that. 784 00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:21.320 Yeah, and the new vision. Look, here's the thing. The 785 00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:25.559 film very clearly sets up the next generation as it were, 786 00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:28.039 like the entire last ten minutes of this movie is 787 00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:29.880 nothing but epilogue, right, which. 788 00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:30.719 Is not a bad thing. 789 00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:33.960 It's not a bad thing. Like I don't like the 790 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.480 epilogue quite a bit. My problem is is that I 791 00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:41.880 like the epilogue so much I run into I also 792 00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:45.400 don't want you to do that, because I kind of 793 00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:48.519 like when you leave a thing where we kind of 794 00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:51.159 know where it's probably gonna go, and then we don't 795 00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:56.039 touch it again. And I say this very knowingly knowing 796 00:41:56.119 --> 00:41:58.760 that I'm excited about a new season of Scrubs, Like 797 00:41:59.239 --> 00:42:03.079 I'm calling myself out on my own hypocrisy, because Scrubs 798 00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:07.920 ends with JD having that exact like type of montage 799 00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:14.440 about the future. But here's the difference in Scrubs. It 800 00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:17.320 ends with him saying, why can't it be this way? 801 00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:21.960 He knows he's fantasizing it, right. The thing that we 802 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.880 get in these

films is that Lorraine is supposed to 803 00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:29.559 be able to see things, right, So what she has 804 00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:32.280 seen is supposed to be like a manifestation of what 805 00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:36.079 their future is and factuals. So it's harder for me 806 00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:39.400 to glom onto that as an idea because I'm less interested. 807 00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:44.400 I already know where it's going, right, and here's the 808 00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:48.559 r R mia Tomlson and Ben Hardy enough to carry 809 00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:50.480 a film. 810 00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:52.039 That's a big question. 811 00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:52.639 I do. 812 00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:55.880 I think they're both very talented. I think they are 813 00:42:56.119 --> 00:42:59.239 more capable so far than a Ryan Smith and mass 814 00:42:59.280 --> 00:42:59.960 and Lawler would be. 815 00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:02.480 Though sure I don't agree with you. 816 00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:04.000 But you're not wrong. 817 00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:06.760 Patrick Wilson and have been doing it so long, and 818 00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:10.400 they have also had other things that they've really kind 819 00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:13.079 of glommed onto, and now they had like not like 820 00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:15.719 being Me and Ben are rookies, but they don't have 821 00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:18.480 the same name power, I don't think at all. And 822 00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:21.440 unless you're gonna I think, if you're gonna do this, 823 00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:23.800 you have to it has to be with a director 824 00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:26.559 who is the star of the of the franchise. 825 00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:28.199 Like the director has to be the star. 826 00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:30.880 Because again James wand doing it, you can do it 827 00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:33.719 with with with Ben Hardy and Me and Thomas. You 828 00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:36.519 get a new, young, exciting director like an Oskard Perkins 829 00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:40.199 or something like that that could be the star as 830 00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:43.199 it were, But Michael Shavez, you can't do it the competent, 831 00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:45.760 competent yes man kind of thing. That's not what it's 832 00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:46.559 gonna make this work. 833 00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:53.360 No, and again unless he makes family drama, Yes, sir, exactly, 834 00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:54.840 I would like to see. 835 00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:55.400 I would. 836 00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:58.079 I will throw it out there if Michael Shabaz directs 837 00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:01.760 a non horror film with like just like a family drama, 838 00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:04.320 I'd be okay seeing that. I think he does have 839 00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:06.039 those shops, we see those moments. 840 00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:06.719 If you can get a. 841 00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:11.719 Good actor or actors, I think he could do it.

842 00:44:11.960 --> 00:44:19.960 It doesn't have the shops or the imagination needed for horror, and. 843 00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:22.719 I don't know it's it's I feel bad too because 844 00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:24.880 I feel like I'm so hurt on it. But the 845 00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:28.880 truth of the matter is I I genuinely love these 846 00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:31.880 first two films so much. I love Annabel Comes Home, 847 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:34.920 I love Annabel Creation, I love the nun Like I 848 00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:40.800 love so much of this franchise. To have it hijacked 849 00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:44.559 and they say that, knowing how that sounds, I don't 850 00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:47.599 mean to like be an asshole about it, but it 851 00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:50.079 kind of does feel hijacked right. 852 00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:54.639 Unfortunately, it's like willingly given hijack. That's the problems because 853 00:44:54.639 --> 00:44:56.159 it's right. And that's why I feel bad as like 854 00:44:56.199 --> 00:44:58.840 complaining his shots too, because as much as I love him, 855 00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:01.039 and I'm saying his praisese I gotta throw a lot 856 00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:02.960 of the blame. It wants feel foot. He's the one 857 00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:05.880 that's producing me. He's the one that's like overseeing it. Yeah, 858 00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:07.480 he could have stepped in and said, you know what, 859 00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:10.360 we need something a little more exciting, a little more vibrant. 860 00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:12.760 You could have stepped in, actually, James, and done the 861 00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:16.400 last film, because quite frankly, that's what should happen if 862 00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:17.960 this is the last film, even if it's the last 863 00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:21.679 film in the air, the last Wilson and very Patrick Wilson, 864 00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:24.400 very for media film. You really should have stepped in 865 00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:25.960 and done it. It's not like you're doing a whole lot 866 00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:27.039 of like, you don't have a lot of big things 867 00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:28.639 in your slate. As far as I can say, I 868 00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:30.320 know you do have a production studio. I know you're 869 00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:33.320 developing things and all that. Take time out if you 870 00:45:33.400 --> 00:45:36.039 really care about this franchise, take time out to finish 871 00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:36.400 it right. 872 00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:39.920 I don't disagree, and I think it would have actually 873 00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:43.840 alleviated a lot of my issues because I think he 874 00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:46.559 also would have gone back to the script and been like, look, 875 00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:48.880 there's certain things in this that just aren't working. And 876 00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:51.039 the crazy thing is is he's got a story credit 877 00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:53.559 on this, so they knew what they were doing. But like, 878 00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:58.360 this movie just does not come together in a way 879 00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:01.039 that feels fulfilling for me. 880 00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:03.800 It's a lot it does. 881 00:46:04.039 --> 00:46:06.920 Again, is there stuff that I like in it? Absolutely, 882 00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:09.320 and it's gonna get I will continually go back to 883 00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:11.719 bat for the main four. I think the main four 884 00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:14.159 are great. And I'll say this, I love seeing the 885 00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:17.599 characters from the first film come back at Ed's birthday. 886 00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:20.159 Like I loved all those little things. I loved the 887 00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:23.519 idea that Brad is there and he still talks about 888 00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:26.760 the Rhode Island story and the woman she just like 889 00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:29.960 rolling her eyes so hard that here he goes, oh 890 00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:32.440 my god, he's gonna talk about being at the Haunting 891 00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:35.119 and being bit again. Like I loved all that. That 892 00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:35.880 was great. 893 00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:39.159 Yeah, I agree that again was a fun part of 894 00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:40.840 the movie. But a lot of that is from the 895 00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:43.159 estallegia and then that's what this film is trying to 896 00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:47.880 bank on, and almost forcibly so at times, but like 897 00:46:48.159 --> 00:46:51.960 it doesn't always work beyond the initial like oh. 898 00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:54.000 Nice, and it's like, but but what is it doing? 899 00:46:54.039 --> 00:46:54.840 What are we doing here. 900 00:46:55.599 --> 00:46:58.800 No, it doesn't. And it's funny because the film also 901 00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:02.199 falls into this moment that kind of makes me laugh 902 00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:06.320 of Ghostbusters too, and it involves Ghostbusters, but we have 903 00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:08.880 this whole thing where people started are trying to discredit 904 00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:11.400 them and think of them as like Ghostbusters, and they're 905 00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:13.840 not interested in them anymore because they realize that's not 906 00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:16.880 what they do. And I thought that was actually kind 907 00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:20.239 of clever. That was really fun. I like, yeah, and 908 00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:25.480 timely considering that's what we're covering right now, right, The 909 00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:27.800 stuff that works in this movie is the stuff that 910 00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:30.880 is directly tied to them all that. Again, I will 911 00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:33.719 argue that that scene with Judy when she's in the 912 00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:37.280 dressing room with her dress and the demon comes after her, 913 00:47:37.639 -->

00:47:40.800 it's really terrific, Like that is a scene. 914 00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:45.639 Yeah, agreed. I will say, I don't know how you felt. 915 00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:47.000 And again, I know. 916 00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:49.079 This is like based on true stories, so I understand 917 00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:52.360 everything else, But it felt strange having this be in 918 00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:56.119 the eighties. Yes, it feels like the conjuring should almost 919 00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:59.880 always basically be sixties, late sixties, maybe early seventies. That's 920 00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:03.280 that's the heyday of it, and that's what it feels 921 00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:04.760 like it's always said in Jump. 922 00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:07.519 I felt that way about the third one too, though, Yeah, 923 00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:10.280 that's where it started being that way, you know, Yeah, 924 00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:10.920 you're not wrong. 925 00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:13.440 I felt it more in this one though, and this 926 00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:15.400 jumped up a little bit more too. As part of it. 927 00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:18.159 It's even further along the timeline, which makes sense because 928 00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:20.199 it's a timeline and then Judy is at old at 929 00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:22.960 this point. That's what's gotta be. But it still felt 930 00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:24.960 weird and took me out a little bit. 931 00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:27.599 Yeah, there was a couple of needle drops in it 932 00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:33.760 that really were staggeringly strange, like having dance boey Yeah exactly, 933 00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:36.719 and not that I don't I have a David Bowie tattoo, 934 00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:41.039 like I fucking loved love Bowie. But like it definitely 935 00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:42.840 threw me for a second. And I know that's more 936 00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:45.519 of a just a placement in time sort of thing, 937 00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:50.159 but like it makes sense, Yeah, it's just strange. 938 00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:51.239 It's funny enough. 939 00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:53.000 I actually was gonna bring us up like during the 940 00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:54.679 end there, but I will say there's an East Drigg 941 00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:56.760 in there. I believe it's an East Drog by the 942 00:48:56.760 --> 00:48:58.920 studio it is, it is not, i'd be surprised, but 943 00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:02.159 speaking of and when it is speaking of music, there 944 00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:06.920 is in the girl's room, the Smirls girl's room. I'm 945 00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:09.920 gonna notice this because of who I am. She's on 946 00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:13.360 the bed and in the background there's a promotional poster 947 00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:13.840 of Queen. 948 00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:16.880 I noticed that from nineteen eighty. 949 00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:19.079 Four, Eric we not good night at the Opera, long hair, 950 00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:22.159 Freddy ye mustad for it's the full eighties Queen. 951 00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:24.559 From eighty four. 952 00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:26.760 I know exactly when the promotional photo was taken for 953 00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:29.079 Radio got Hair for the works album. So I saw 954 00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:31.239 that back. Of course I love that the name of Hey, 955 00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:33.400 you don't get that much at the eighties Queen round cool? 956 00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:36.199 All right, sweet? But I think does anybody know that 957 00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:38.920 that was probably done purposefully because it was kind of 958 00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:43.960 behind some things. One character was definitively, definitively shown was 959 00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:48.039 drummer Roger Taylor, who, as you know, was played by 960 00:49:48.079 --> 00:49:50.360 Ben Hardy in Bohemian Rhapsody. Uh huh. 961 00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:55.239 I felt like that was very obvious in exact way. 962 00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:56.840 Okay, that's why I thought. So i'd too, and I 963 00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:58.440 was glad I'm not the only one that thought that 964 00:49:58.679 --> 00:49:59.079 I loved that. 965 00:49:59.119 --> 00:49:59.679 I thought that was great. 966 00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:01.679 Little I love the little things like that that makes 967 00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:02.000 me laugh. 968 00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:06.079 I will say one of the best scares in the 969 00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:09.599 movie also ended up being one of the most irritating, 970 00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:14.159 and it was the one involving the VHS when when 971 00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:16.480 she goes down to try to figure out why the 972 00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:20.400 candle got blown out. And it's only irritating because they 973 00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:23.559 keep replaying the clip over and over and over again, 974 00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:27.719 and you have to keep hearing the grandfather say the 975 00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:30.599 same thing over and over and over again. But the 976 00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:31.559 scene is really. 977 00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:33.000 Good the same time. 978 00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:35.599 I actually liked it because the reason why I liked it, 979 00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:37.800 I mean, it was a little annoying, but I felt 980 00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:40.360 like that is it's gonna sound like. 981 00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:43.119 A weird world, real very weird weird. 982 00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:46.599 Word choice, yeah, realistic, yes, like when you're trying to 983 00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:50.000 capture that moment you never hit other like mostly cord films. 984 00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:51.440 It would have gotten on the first time the s 985 00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:55.719 like how do I four or five times? Like that's 986 00:50:56.159 --> 00:50:58.039 actually how it would work well. 987 00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:00.760 And it's so funny because it very much felt like 988

00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:05.800 someone trying to capture the spirit of Signs because you 989 00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:08.599 remember his signs and the birthday party sequence, like that's 990 00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:11.079 kind of what it reminded me of. Because like, if 991 00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:14.360 you talk to a very specific group of people my age, 992 00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:17.280 they will always argue that the scariest thing they ever 993 00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:20.760 saw was that scene in Signs and like so it 994 00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:23.199 definitely felt like a play on that in some capacity. 995 00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:26.800 I loved that. I thought that was great. So, like again, 996 00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:31.000 I'm never gonna say that this wasn't like at least 997 00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:34.599 competently directed. I think that Chavez did a really good 998 00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:37.639 job in certain sequences. My problem is is I just 999 00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:40.760 think the story is not really there, and I guess 1000 00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:44.920 that's not all on him, but like, also then come 1001 00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:46.559 up with a better way to make the third act 1002 00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:49.880 more interesting, because I'm gonna be honest with you, them 1003 00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:54.880 fighting a fucking like mirror not that interesting to me. 1004 00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:58.840 I did like especially when Judy was possessed, because that 1005 00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:02.239 was good. Yeah, and because me and Thompson not nailed 1006 00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:02.400 at it. 1007 00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:03.880 For that one, I got really creeped out by her. 1008 00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:07.320 Oh that's that's good. In the whole moment where she's 1009 00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:09.960 battling Patrick Wilson a little bit like he's trying to 1010 00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:11.960 get through it or what I mean, that was powerful, 1011 00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:13.440 good staked moment. 1012 00:52:13.480 --> 00:52:14.159 That's probably why I like. 1013 00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:15.880 The third act so much. That part, that part of 1014 00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:19.239 it specifically, But I know you're saying, I definitely get 1015 00:52:19.239 --> 00:52:21.280 what you're saying. I think I enjoyed the connectness of 1016 00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:23.280 it more like how kind of it felt a little 1017 00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:24.639 more faster paced, which I liked. 1018 00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:26.880 No, And like I said, it's not even the whole 1019 00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:29.599 third act, it's more just the crux of the third 1020 00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:32.119 act and once we get to the like the big 1021 00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:37.239 finale portion of it, because everything else leading up to 1022 00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:40.239 it actually pretty good. I mean, I'll even forgive them 1023 00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:42.960 for letting Judy hurt the dogs. I

was really glad 1024 00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:44.400 that they made it a point that she didn't kill 1025 00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:44.719 the dog. 1026 00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:45.639 Yeah, me too. 1027 00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:47.880 I was like, oh, they're going there. 1028 00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:49.599 Oh that's not good. That's not a good choice. 1029 00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:51.320 Well, to be honest with you, I thought it was 1030 00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:53.360 a weird choice to start the movie where the baby 1031 00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:56.159 might have died, and then you know what I'm saying. 1032 00:52:56.239 --> 00:52:58.519 So I had a feeling if they didn't kill the baby, 1033 00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:01.639 they weren't going to kill the dog, right. So, but 1034 00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:03.239 I did have a moment where I was like, if 1035 00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:05.480 they want me to forgive Judy and be okay with 1036 00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:07.760 this character, that dog better be alive. And they like 1037 00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:10.400 damn sure made it a point that you were, like 1038 00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:13.000 you saw the dog walk away after like. 1039 00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:20.760 Almost without injury, basically more like okay, fine, Yeah, So 1040 00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:23.559 like hurting does not happen and does not work in 1041 00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:27.079 any movie I can think of, except for maybe John Wick, 1042 00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:30.719 because the whole point is you're killing some mephers who 1043 00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:31.440 heard a dog. 1044 00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:35.880 Oh. I mean, like, I've made it no real secret 1045 00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:39.320 about how I feel about Fetti Albarez is Evil Dead, 1046 00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:42.400 and a huge portion of my feelings towards that movie 1047 00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:45.159 is the fact that the character who is supposed to 1048 00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:49.920 be the hero kills the dog. I'm not forgiving this 1049 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:52.920 shit like that because I like animals too much, so 1050 00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:56.960 like I'm not big on animal death in movies, especially 1051 00:53:57.079 --> 00:53:57.440 a dog. 1052 00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:02.199 Although with it I think honestly for us and ours 1053 00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:06.679 is it does happen technically in Halloween, Yes, And we 1054 00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:08.960 seem to forgive Michael for that kind and not forgive 1055 00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:10.480 him for it, but like we got to forgive the 1056 00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:12.119 movie for it in a way, and in a weird 1057 00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:14.760 way I guess because we were just it's we were 1058 00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:16.599 imprinted on the movie because we saw it at the 1059 00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:17.840 young age. That might be what it is. 1060 00:54:18.519 --> 00:54:21.159 Yeah, I think so. I mean, like, look, I can't 1061 00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:24.440 even forgive the New Alien TV series for what it 1062 00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:27.239 does to the cat, and not because of any other 1063 00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:29.119 reason than it's not a human that does it. It's 1064 00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:35.159 an alien. Yeah, you know, like, yeah, I'm a lot 1065 00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:39.000 more forgiving if it's not done by a human character 1066 00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:41.840 that I'm supposed to be like rooting for right, that 1067 00:54:41.960 --> 00:54:42.360 makes sense. 1068 00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:45.119 I fully agree with you. I just not see it 1069 00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:48.159 at all. This don't have well. I mean there's that 1070 00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:51.440 movie coming out, that movie coming out called The Good Boy. 1071 00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:54.639 Yeah, I can't wait to see it, and I but. 1072 00:54:54.920 --> 00:54:56.679 It was thrown out there and almost every channel I 1073 00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:58.400 knew every like I read it and everything else. 1074 00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:01.320 They said, just so we all know a dog lives 1075 00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:03.079 and does not die in this film. 1076 00:55:03.440 --> 00:55:06.639 Yeah, well, if you're out there, like like the trailer 1077 00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:10.400 dropped and the spike in Google searches does of does 1078 00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:13.079 the Dog die was so high that they felt the 1079 00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:15.000 need that they had to come out and say something 1080 00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:17.679 about it. And the Google spike was so big it 1081 00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:19.920 went from being a limited release to a full release 1082 00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:20.480 because of it. 1083 00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:22.800 It's actually a way, and I think it was good 1084 00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:24.639 for the film in a way. But I agree It's 1085 00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:27.559 like funny because like the dog is obviously to the 1086 00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:29.400 central character that movie, because it's ahlle thing. It's from 1087 00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:32.039 his POV for the most part. But like at least 1088 00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:37.239 that's what it seems like. But like, so the big 1089 00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:39.880 character of these films generally always do make it. It's 1090 00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:41.599 the final dog, the final girl, the final guy. He's 1091 00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:44.159 able to eat the final dog. But like we still 1092 00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:46.440 are like, yeah, I can't take that risk. 1093 00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:51.840 Well we can't because there was the years ago one 1094 00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:56.199 of the VHS movies had the POV dog short during 1095 00:55:56.280 --> 00:55:58.800 the abduction or whatever it was, and the dog dies 1096 00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:01.760 at the end. I forgot about that, actually, yeah, and 1097 00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:03.360 it was fucking traumatizing. 1098 00:56:03.679 --> 00:56:04.719

I've blocked that one out. 1099 00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:07.719 Yeah right, I can't imagine why. 1100 00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:10.280 Wow. 1101 00:56:11.079 --> 00:56:14.679 So anyway, good on Chavez for allowing the dog to 1102 00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:17.880 live and making it a point because I'm not here 1103 00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:20.400 for dog deaths and horror movies is basically what I'm 1104 00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:20.880 getting at. 1105 00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:23.119 I'm right there with you. 1106 00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:29.000 I think that this movie does a really nice job 1107 00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:33.639 tying up the stuff I want tied up. It ends 1108 00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:37.480 on a note that makes me happy that I invested 1109 00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:40.679 my time in this franchise, even if I didn't necessarily 1110 00:56:41.199 --> 00:56:46.519 love the last few movies in it. I respect it enough, 1111 00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:49.760 and I do like that they somehow kind of came together. 1112 00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:55.800 Though Another thing is we really never dealt with like 1113 00:56:57.039 --> 00:56:59.199 the Tasa Famiga of it all. 1114 00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:02.360 Yeah, I was a little I mean. 1115 00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:04.440 We knew she wasn't in the film. 1116 00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:07.239 Those kind of point out during the development of every 1117 00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:08.840 kind of leg you know, we were looking to see 1118 00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:11.039 if that was the case, and it felt like they 1119 00:57:11.119 --> 00:57:12.679 were going to do it. It kind of felt like 1120 00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:14.559 they were going there, like with some of the last 1121 00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:17.159 like teases they had done in the last couple of films. 1122 00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:20.440 But like, I don't know, I think that was a mistake. 1123 00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:22.639 I think they definitely if you're going to try to 1124 00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:25.199 reach to the franchise, make this celebratory kind of thing. 1125 00:57:25.239 --> 00:57:27.440 I mean, she they could have done something with that 1126 00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:28.199 to finish it out. 1127 00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:29.840 I don't know where you would have done it, but 1128 00:57:29.960 --> 00:57:32.000 you could have taken a lot out to get her 1129 00:57:32.119 --> 00:57:33.239 involved somehow. I don't know what. 1130 00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:37.360 It just seems weird, because again, it does feel like 1131 00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:39.880 they really made it a point in the Nun too, 1132 00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:42.760 that there was some sort of connection and that they 1133 00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:46.280 were related, right, But I don't it's never like which 1134 00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:47.880 is Shy explicitly stated. 1135 00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:51.199 Yeah, I feel like that's one of those things where 1136 00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:52.880 it's like it was probably an early

development. We could 1137 00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:55.480 probably do this, and they didn't know how to squeeze 1138 00:57:55.519 --> 00:57:57.480 it in without because they already like, well, we need 1139 00:57:57.559 --> 00:57:59.800 to do the all in their minds, which we just 1140 00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:02.239 agree with it, but we have to, you know, showcase 1141 00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:03.039 the young Warrens. 1142 00:58:03.079 --> 00:58:04.960 We have to do this a small family, have to 1143 00:58:05.039 --> 00:58:06.280 the end of where we're going to fit this in. 1144 00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:08.000 It just seemed extraneous. Blah blah blah blah. 1145 00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:10.840 It wasn't a part of the main franchise really per se. 1146 00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:13.599 I kind of feel like that's what it would happen 1147 00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:16.320 a little bit, but it's I think it was wrong. 1148 00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:18.320 I think they they it was definitely a missed opportunity. 1149 00:58:18.639 --> 00:58:21.000 Well, and I think you nailed it. And you said 1150 00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:22.639 the thing that I was going to kind of call out, 1151 00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:24.400 because that's it's part of why I called out the 1152 00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:27.159 thing about why are the characters from Annabel not Annabel 1153 00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:32.760 comes home not at the wedding? Mm hm, Why in 1154 00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:36.159 this entire franchise are we acting like the stuff that 1155 00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:40.280 happened outside of it didn't matter outside of like the 1156 00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:45.280 core four films, right, it drives me crazy when you 1157 00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:49.840 create shared universes and then you only pick and choose 1158 00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:53.480 at times what matters and what doesn't. And I do 1159 00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:55.719 think that this franchise is a little guilty of that. 1160 00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:58.679 They allowed the they allowed the spin offs to be 1161 00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:02.000 as interconnected. Is they need to be without the main 1162 00:59:02.119 --> 00:59:05.239 line films beeing the connected films? 1163 00:59:06.039 --> 00:59:09.079 No what Here's what it is. They want to use 1164 00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:15.559 the tenuoust tie of to the main films to market 1165 00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:19.159 and get people to come to the spin offs. But 1166 00:59:19.639 --> 00:59:21.880 they all then they on the on the flip side, 1167 00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:24.239 the main films don't need to rely on that, and 1168 00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:28.079 quite frankly, in their head, and this is a wrong thing, 1169 00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:29.480 I think is the wrong thing for people to do. 1170 00:59:29.639 --> 00:59:31.079 They get people that work. I think they're worried about 1171 00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:33.880 inside baseball. You know what, people only maybe only seen 1172 00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:35.800 the Conjuring one, two, three, and they might not have 1173 00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:37.960 seen the spinoffs. We can't really include that. That's going 1174 00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:40.320 to be confusing the audiences and stuff. And it's like, 1175 00:59:41.039 --> 00:59:42.840 you know what, you have ten films under your belt, 1176 00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:45.840 eleven you haven't know how whatever you want to do 1177 00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:49.400 with RSONA Lolarona Becau's ten including Lallarna eleven. If you 1178 00:59:49.400 --> 00:59:52.119 want to include Wolves of the Door or whatever, use 1179 00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:55.079 your audience, like your audience has been with you for 1180 00:59:55.159 --> 00:59:56.159 the ride for the most part. 1181 00:59:56.599 --> 00:59:57.960 Yeah, trust them. 1182 00:59:58.000 --> 00:59:59.800 And if people are coming to the last right, the 1183 01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:03.519 last rites and they're a little confused, that sound bad. 1184 01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:07.400 I just think it's yeah, one hundred percent. And then 1185 01:00:07.480 --> 01:00:10.880 once again, like you're kind of discounting the one film 1186 01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:12.360 that Judy was the lead. 1187 01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:14.800 Up to this, right especial because Judy is the main 1188 01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:16.239 almost one of the main it's just one of the 1189 01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:19.960 main characters of this film, right that once before that 1190 01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:23.079 makes it important decision, important part of it. 1191 01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:27.880 It's just a very odd choice, but like, at the 1192 01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:32.599 end of the day, I'll take the lumps with it, 1193 01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:35.880 while also acknowledging that I think that at least it 1194 01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:40.599 leaves these characters in a place that feels natural. It 1195 01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:44.679 feels good, Like for a franchise that's twelve years old 1196 01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:47.960 and has spenned ten films, I would still argue that 1197 01:00:48.079 --> 01:00:50.880 the Conjuring franchise is arguably one of the most consistent 1198 01:00:50.920 --> 01:00:55.480 horror franchises of all time, because even at its worst, 1199 01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:01.079 it's fun to watch a bad movie, even if it 1200 01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:05.360 makes us angry, which is Annabelle, and even at its best, 1201 01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:07.239 you're looking at what I would argue are two of 1202 01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:10.239 the best horror films in the last decade. I don't 1203 01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:13.679 need to watch you know, trailers and call them mid 1204 01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:17.519 without having seen them to know that. I actually think 1205 01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:20.480 that that's a crazy thing to say, Like it is 1206 01:01:20.639 --> 01:01:24.199 okay to actually watch these movies and enjoy them. We 1207

01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:28.440 don't have to gate keep horror. So as weird as 1208 01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:31.760 that might sound, like this franchise has some of the 1209 01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:37.199 highest highs. Yeah, I know, shocking. This franchise is full 1210 01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:40.039 of the highest highs. It has arguably one of the 1211 01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:43.679 lowest lows. But like even in that lowest low, there 1212 01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:48.000 is stuff to enjoy in it, and it's it's hard 1213 01:01:48.079 --> 01:01:51.719 to go out on a good note sometimes for endings 1214 01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:54.480 are hard, There's no doubt about it. And so like 1215 01:01:54.679 --> 01:01:57.599 for all my grievances towards the films or this film 1216 01:01:57.639 --> 01:02:00.440 in particular, like, yes, I don't think that the threat 1217 01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:02.719 is that interesting. Yes, I don't think the smirls are 1218 01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:07.360 that interesting. But there are a couple of really great sequences. 1219 01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:10.239 There's some really great character stuff that happens, and it's 1220 01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:14.639 really grounded by just two really incredible per promances once 1221 01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:17.880 again from Vera for Media and Patrick Wilson. In the 1222 01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:20.639 addition of me and Thomlson and Ben Hardy is actually 1223 01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:22.800 maybe the best thing that could have happened to this film, 1224 01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:27.760 because the Core four team really is so good that 1225 01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:31.119 it elevates what would have been a potentially bad movie 1226 01:02:31.559 --> 01:02:33.599 to a pretty damn good movie. 1227 01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:36.719 Yeah, I agree with that. I want to echo a 1228 01:02:36.760 --> 01:02:39.119 little bit what you said, what we'll spell on it 1229 01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:44.519 or for a finale, Generally, the films more than often 1230 01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:47.440 or not, I find don't work for various reasons. And 1231 01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:50.119 it's either because it becomes too bloated because you're trying 1232 01:02:50.119 --> 01:02:52.400 to stick too much in there, or it becomes a 1233 01:02:52.519 --> 01:02:55.760 case of a missed opportunity in which you didn't do 1234 01:02:56.000 --> 01:02:59.280 enough to make it a grand enough finale. So hitting 1235 01:02:59.360 --> 01:03:00.239 that balance. 1236 01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:03.639 It's key this film did. 1237 01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:07.800 I thought this film got some of the balance there, 1238 01:03:08.199 --> 01:03:12.320 and it hits some of the notes. It still had 1239 01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:14.719 problems with both sides. That which is the interesting part 1240 01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:16.480 of it, because it does hits persone of it. Some 1241 01:03:16.599 --> 01:03:18.119 of it does feel bloated and some of it does 1242 01:03:18.159 --> 01:03:21.320 see this opportunity at times, it's that weird balance to 1243 01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:23.360 make and it's hard to do, and I think it 1244 01:03:23.599 --> 01:03:27.960 takes somebody who is more than just competent. It has 1245 01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:29.559 to be somebody who really has a vision to be 1246 01:03:29.599 --> 01:03:33.000 able to pull it off well. And unfortunately it remules 1247 01:03:33.039 --> 01:03:37.920 me very But this could have been much worse, I guess, 1248 01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:42.519 way worse, much worse, especially what we were considering. We 1249 01:03:42.599 --> 01:03:45.039 were looking when we're looking into it, we're looking forward 1250 01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:48.800 to the first We're like, thank you for the core 1251 01:03:48.920 --> 01:03:52.679 four for sure, and you know what, I think that's 1252 01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:55.119 a good way to uh And unless you got anything. 1253 01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:58.199 Else going on, no, I feel like that pretty much 1254 01:03:58.360 --> 01:03:59.679 covers my thoughts about it. 1255 01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:05.639 We don't we don't do our blathering, no. 1256 01:04:06.039 --> 01:04:08.119 And the truth of the matter is, I really wanted 1257 01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:10.320 to jump into this one because I had like very 1258 01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:13.320 specific feelings about it. I've been kind of sitting on 1259 01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:16.320 them all. You know. We really didn't talk about it, 1260 01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:18.559 and I really wanted to actually sit down and kind 1261 01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:22.000 of work through my feelings because again I've I've been 1262 01:04:22.039 --> 01:04:26.559 a little bit frustrated at it in some capacity, and 1263 01:04:26.840 --> 01:04:28.679 so it's good to be able to sit down and 1264 01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:32.800 like actually talk about it and go cool man like, yeah, 1265 01:04:32.920 --> 01:04:35.440 it didn't fully work, but the stuff that works is good, 1266 01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:39.360 and I will one hundred percent take that over it 1267 01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:43.960 having been like completely bad. And I still will contend 1268 01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:45.719 that I think this is the best film that Chaves 1269 01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:49.719 made in the franchise, and I think that's a win 1270 01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:51.079 at least for us. 1271 01:04:51.519 --> 01:04:53.840 Agreed, And I will say it's interesting to me is 1272 01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:57.639 that this is one I did not I have not 1273 01:04:57.840 --> 01:04:59.760 written down a score yet for myself because I don't 1274 01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:01.920 know scories. I said, I didn't know what my scores 1275 01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:04.920 going in. I kind of had like ideas. I guess 1276 01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:06.320 I thought it was better than this, thought better than 1277 01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:07.679 that best job as thing. 1278

01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:09.920 I never really scored it. I wasn't sure. 1279 01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:11.960 I wanted to see how my how I felt after this. 1280 01:05:12.559 --> 01:05:14.320 And it's funny because I feel like you and I 1281 01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:14.960 both do this. 1282 01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:16.320 A lot of times. 1283 01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:19.440 We come across like we'll come across Harsher on a 1284 01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:22.679 film because we're kind of getting our grievances out. 1285 01:05:23.400 --> 01:05:23.639 Yeah. 1286 01:05:23.920 --> 01:05:27.239 Then sometimes by the end, once we get those grievances out, 1287 01:05:27.320 --> 01:05:29.800 we sit it and go, Okay, we've got a grievances 1288 01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:33.119 out there, But do we like the movie, and that 1289 01:05:33.239 --> 01:05:34.440 at the end of my by the time we do 1290 01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:36.639 our ratings, we kind of like ends up, are just 1291 01:05:36.679 --> 01:05:39.199 shifting our needle back to like sanity in a way. 1292 01:05:40.280 --> 01:05:41.519 I got all the bas stuff out of there. 1293 01:05:42.360 --> 01:05:45.360 I'm still a core heart of it that we do 1294 01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:51.239 like like a kind of thing. So I guess it's 1295 01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:52.800 time to rate the sum bitch. 1296 01:05:54.320 --> 01:05:59.519 Here's a listenind of refresher of where everything landed before this. 1297 01:05:59.840 --> 01:06:03.719 I perfectly I always do weird enough. 1298 01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:06.960 I want to let you know this broke while we 1299 01:06:07.039 --> 01:06:12.320 were on the podcast. The HBO series of The Conreene 1300 01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:18.599 is moving forward. Yeah, Nancy Wan, who was one of 1301 01:06:18.639 --> 01:06:21.679 the people involved in Jessica Jones and Supernatural, is show 1302 01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:26.440 running it. New Line Cinema, of course, is still involved. 1303 01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:30.320 There's not a lot being said about it, but after 1304 01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:33.360 this weekend obviously we're hearing now. Like we said, there's 1305 01:06:33.360 --> 01:06:36.679 a prequel film in play, and now the TV series 1306 01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:40.119 is moving forward. For those who don't know, it sounded 1307 01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:42.360 like it's kind of what we've been talking about, which 1308 01:06:42.440 --> 01:06:45.480 is instead of doing like the spinoff films, it'll be 1309 01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:48.280 contained to the television show where they can do like 1310 01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:53.440 spinoff episodes about the things within the uh their their 1311 01:06:53.559 --> 01:06:55.119 museum of oddities as it were. 1312 01:06:56.440 --> 01:06:58.639 Well, it definitely we obviously said it makes sense throwing 1313 01:06:58.679 --> 01:07:00.400 it out to like it just it's a throw back 1314 01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:02.559 kind of to like the old Friday the Thirteenth TV 1315 01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:05.719 series that actually worked pretty well for a bit. I 1316 01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:07.599 wonder who. I wonder who the leads will be, So 1317 01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:10.079 if it's gonna be the Oddities, I almost got to 1318 01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:12.159 have believe that maybe they're gonna have me Thompson, but 1319 01:07:12.239 --> 01:07:13.000 hard you started. 1320 01:07:13.400 --> 01:07:16.880 That's kind of think what my guess would be too, should. 1321 01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:19.239 Make sense, and then you could have Patrick Olson and 1322 01:07:20.760 --> 01:07:23.840 very far me could like make appearances once the season 1323 01:07:23.960 --> 01:07:25.760 kind of thing, kind of throw them in there. 1324 01:07:26.119 --> 01:07:30.199 Maybe And who had the key at the end that 1325 01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:33.559 the you know, yeah, who has the key to the 1326 01:07:33.639 --> 01:07:35.480 room at the end? That that was the whole point 1327 01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:35.679 of that. 1328 01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:39.400 Yeah, good point. Absolutely, it makes sense that he was 1329 01:07:39.440 --> 01:07:41.400 a tossing of the It was a tossing of the 1330 01:07:41.480 --> 01:07:43.679 key here as it will start passing the torch. Yeah, 1331 01:07:44.360 --> 01:07:45.840 and then I think you get them to come back 1332 01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:48.440 because I and I think it's like the funny thing 1333 01:07:48.519 --> 01:07:50.559 is if they did market it, like I said, they 1334 01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:53.440 marketed this as the finale. So to have another film 1335 01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:56.719 with Patrick Wilson, for me, getting it would almost feel 1336 01:07:56.760 --> 01:07:58.400 a little cheapened, even though we'd be like I would 1337 01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:01.360 get over it and be fine. But to have this 1338 01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:03.480 be the final film and having them appear every once 1339 01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:05.079 in a while, like one episode of season of a 1340 01:08:05.119 --> 01:08:08.400 TV show, that doesn't feel cheap and that feels like 1341 01:08:08.440 --> 01:08:10.719 a legitimate way to continue without having to do a 1342 01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:11.840 film with them kind of thing. 1343 01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:13.440 Potentially, I like that. 1344 01:08:14.079 --> 01:08:15.880 I mean, the hell, you could actually have them deal 1345 01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:18.279 with the I mean they said right there to deal 1346 01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:21.319 because Ed dies at seventy four or whatever. Then but 1347 01:08:21.760 --> 01:08:23.960 Lorraine lives like ninety two or whatever it is. You 1348 01:08:24.039 --> 01:08:25.720 could have that be part of the TV show. That's 1349 01:08:25.760 --> 01:08:27.359 the way. You can have like the episode of the 1350 01:08:27.399 --> 01:08:29.439 week be or whatever, and then like the narrative being 1351 01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:33.199 eventually the demid or

like his his passing and then 1352 01:08:33.239 --> 01:08:36.880 how Lorraine like kind of it's all there to be done, 1353 01:08:37.399 --> 01:08:40.399 be interesting seeing more. Definitely be far more of a 1354 01:08:40.520 --> 01:08:44.880 narrative story than the film franchise bad, but it could 1355 01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:49.479 be done well, all right, So what we had done before, 1356 01:08:49.600 --> 01:08:51.239 I always like to throw them out there. Like PJ 1357 01:08:51.399 --> 01:08:54.279 says that we both gave The Conjuring the first Conjuring 1358 01:08:54.319 --> 01:08:56.439 film at ten point five out eleven because we always 1359 01:08:56.439 --> 01:08:58.319 turn things up to eleven here and peel these products, 1360 01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:04.079 and we both gave a two. What a dip from 1361 01:09:04.119 --> 01:09:07.439 one film to second film. Eight Conjuring two jumped right 1362 01:09:07.479 --> 01:09:09.279 back out to a ten point five from both of us. 1363 01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:12.920 Annabel Creation I gave a six, you gave an eight. 1364 01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:16.840 The Nune I gave a seven point five. You gave 1365 01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:20.399 a seventh. A Cursal YadA Arna. I gave a five 1366 01:09:20.520 --> 01:09:21.119 point five. 1367 01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:22.199 You gave a six. 1368 01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:25.840 Annabel Comes Home. We both gave it a solid nine. 1369 01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:28.840 The Conjuring The Devil made Me do It. I gave 1370 01:09:28.880 --> 01:09:30.960 a seven point five, you gave a seven. 1371 01:09:31.800 --> 01:09:32.439 The nun To two. 1372 01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:34.920 I gave a three point five and you gave it 1373 01:09:35.000 --> 01:09:37.880 a five. So that's where are the Conjuring the last right, 1374 01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:38.960 Conjuring the last rites? 1375 01:09:39.439 --> 01:09:43.439 Okay, cool, That's kind of where I was at with 1376 01:09:43.560 --> 01:09:49.720 this then. So despite all of my misgivings with the film, 1377 01:09:49.880 --> 01:09:53.000 the stuff that really works really makes me enjoy the 1378 01:09:53.079 --> 01:09:56.840 film more once again. I still think it's also the 1379 01:09:56.880 --> 01:10:00.920 best film in this franchise that he has directed. I'm 1380 01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:02.960 gonna give this movie a soft eight. 1381 01:10:07.199 --> 01:10:09.479 I am exactly in the same mindset of you. I 1382 01:10:10.359 --> 01:10:11.880 gave you a solid I gave it an eight as well. 1383 01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:13.880 I give it I kind of vastered between eight and 1384 01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:15.319 eight point five because I wanted to give it a 1385 01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:18.159 little bit more than the conomy Devil. Maybe do it, 1386 01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:21.560 But at the end of the day, I agree because 1387 01:10:21.600 --> 01:10:24.199 some of the things were detrimental, but there's enoughing there. 1388 01:10:26.359 --> 01:10:29.079 Ben Hardy and

mea talents and actually are probably the 1389 01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:33.039 saviors of the film to me, because I expected what 1390 01:10:33.159 --> 01:10:35.239 I got out of Patrick Wilson and Fara Farmiga. They 1391 01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:39.479 delivered exactly what I expected. So Ben and Mia being 1392 01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:42.920 that great support structure, boosted up for me a lot. 1393 01:10:43.079 --> 01:10:44.640 So eight solid eight. 1394 01:10:45.680 --> 01:10:49.800 So that's gonna end the Conjuring franchise for us for now. 1395 01:10:50.800 --> 01:10:52.039 But we're gonna go back and new Wolves of the 1396 01:10:52.079 --> 01:10:52.960 Doors is in the universe. 1397 01:10:53.680 --> 01:10:55.880 Yeah, because apparently there's one more. 1398 01:10:56.279 --> 01:10:59.600 The Forgotten film. We'll see where that one ranks amongst 1399 01:10:59.640 --> 01:11:02.159 the film at this point. Maybe what else, Maybe it's 1400 01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:03.960 a gem, Maybe it's a gem we just never heard of. 1401 01:11:04.479 --> 01:11:07.800 Maybe all right, PJ, where can the folks find you? 1402 01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:11.039 You guys can find me wherever social medias are sold 1403 01:11:11.079 --> 01:11:12.960 at PJ Anderscore Campbell. You can also find me here 1404 01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:16.520 hanging out with this lovely Gentleman, where we talk about 1405 01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:19.840 all things movies at all times. And if you have 1406 01:11:19.960 --> 01:11:22.279 not already, please check us out on Patreon help us 1407 01:11:22.319 --> 01:11:24.560 keep the lights on. The link is down below. Right now, 1408 01:11:24.640 --> 01:11:27.159 we are well into our mcu rewatch. We have just 1409 01:11:27.319 --> 01:11:29.800 finished Age of Ultron. We will be moving into ant Man. 1410 01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:33.880 So you have all sorts of episodes that to me, 1411 01:11:34.039 --> 01:11:36.119 if I'm counting correctly in my head, leaves you with 1412 01:11:36.279 --> 01:11:39.760 twelve unheard episodes. If you are not on our Patreon already, 1413 01:11:39.840 --> 01:11:40.760 so head that direction. 1414 01:11:41.960 --> 01:11:44.479 That's right, Patreon dot com, slash pod projects, that's right. 1415 01:11:44.479 --> 01:11:47.279 If you are a member or of YouTube or on Patreon. 1416 01:11:47.319 --> 01:11:49.920 You get us on a weekly basis because every other 1417 01:11:49.960 --> 01:11:52.319 week we do our main show. The other week is 1418 01:11:52.399 --> 01:11:55.000 Dedicades who us doing our Patreon show. Therefore, next week 1419 01:11:55.319 --> 01:11:58.359 we'll be doing and Man as PJ discussing. Now, welcome 1420 01:11:58.399 --> 01:12:00.840 back the following week on the main channel. Continue our 1421 01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:03.760 journey on Ghostbusters and Men in Black Crossover a season. 1422 01:12:04.159 --> 01:12:06.279 We are at Men in Black two. There we started 1423 01:12:06.319 --> 01:12:09.279 that already. I have the first three films Ghostbusters, Ghostbusters 1424 01:12:09.319 --> 01:12:11.199 two and Men in Black, So you can find that 1425 01:12:11.279 --> 01:12:13.840 on the channel. Again, like PJ said, the MCU is 1426 01:12:13.880 --> 01:12:16.640 there for the taking there going through that as we 1427 01:12:16.880 --> 01:12:19.479 as you can see. If you can't join the Patreon though, 1428 01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:21.680 I get it they will be eventually on the main channel. 1429 01:12:21.760 --> 01:12:24.039 I'm not sure exactly when, but not till the end 1430 01:12:24.039 --> 01:12:26.159 of the year. We'll start throwing those out on the 1431 01:12:26.199 --> 01:12:27.840 main channel. Give us a little bit of a break maybe, 1432 01:12:28.880 --> 01:12:30.800 But yeah, I can find me at Paul Scores News. 1433 01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:32.600 You on Twitter, you can find me Paul newsic Skuy 1434 01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:35.159 at social you can find me on this channel all 1435 01:12:35.199 --> 01:12:36.880 over the place. I do a Holy Snoke Star Wars 1436 01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:39.760 podcast with Maddy Gunner every other week, doing some news 1437 01:12:39.800 --> 01:12:42.960 and then doing some thematic things. Next up we're taking 1438 01:12:43.199 --> 01:12:45.000 I think the next one we're doing is reviewing the 1439 01:12:45.159 --> 01:12:49.399 Lego Rebuild the Galaxy series that's debuting in a few 1440 01:12:49.479 --> 01:12:52.680 weeks here Disney Plus. And then beyond that, I also 1441 01:12:52.760 --> 01:12:56.199 do a review with Lego we just actually recorded. It's funny. 1442 01:12:56.239 --> 01:12:59.039 We recorded one yesterday or the other day, and some 1443 01:12:59.199 --> 01:13:08.680 debut tomorrow. M h in the v franchise the UK Occupation. 1444 01:13:09.479 --> 01:13:12.119 Also I do Crown Jewels, The Queen podcasts I do 1445 01:13:12.199 --> 01:13:14.760 every week, and that's what I do there. I guess 1446 01:13:14.800 --> 01:13:17.600 that's it. We'll see you next time, whether it's Nave, 1447 01:13:17.640 --> 01:13:19.119 it's your old patron, we'll see you during the ant 1448 01:13:19.199 --> 01:13:21.079 Man and if you're not, we'll see you from n 1449 01:13:21.119 --> 01:13:22.800 and Black Who. But I really appreciate all you guys 1450 01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:24.760 out there. I know we have dozens and dozens of 1451 01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:25.520 listeners out there. 1452 01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:30.880 Hope we're growing. I don't love everyone, dozens of us