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Hi, I'm Will and this is Conversations from the Skeptic Minifisitions.
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Every so often in the middle of a long interview, a guest says something that stops us in our
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tracks.
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Something that deserves its own spotlight.
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These are those moments.
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One guest, one big idea, just a few minutes that might change the way you see your life.
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So find a comfortable spot, stay skeptical, stay curious, and enjoy today's conversation.
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Dr. When I read your book, I was left stunned.
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I'd been the skeptic second guessing everything I'd heard about life after death.
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Along comes a book from a very well-respected neurosurgeon that claimed to have proof
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of the afterlife.
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And I was thrown for a complete loop.
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I mean, if anyone is going to be able to debunk all the new age stuff that's been thrown
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around these days, it definitely would have to be you, right?
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But your book goes in the complete opposite direction.
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Now, I can't recommend reading your book enough to our audience, but for those that may
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not have had the chance to do so, can you give us a quick recount of the story?
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Yeah, I think, and very briefly, I should point out that the reason my story is so important
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to the scientific community is because it completely violates all the tenets of modern neuroscience
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in its mistaken notions of the brain creating consciousness.
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And that's where I think my story has the most value.
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Because really the disease I had of severe case of gram negative bacteria, or meningocentral
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itis is a perfect model for human death because of its selective destruction of the neocortex,
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the outer surface of the brain and the brain stem.
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And that's why to have the experience I had is so remarkable.
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And in fact, there's a medical case report on my medical records by three doctors not involved
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in my care, but fascinated by my recovery.
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That's in the Journal of Neurolous and Middle Diseases in September 2018.
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And they make two very powerful points.
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It just confirm what I did in Proof of Heaven.
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One is they strengthened my argument that my brain could not have had any kind of dreamer
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hallucination, much less the most profound experience of my entire life.
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And how did that happen?
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Especially at a time when my brain was demonstrably most offline.
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That's a real shocker.
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And then the second stunning kind of feature of the case report is my survival.
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The fact that over two months I ended up having a complete return of all my memories and
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then some and then being in the peak of health for the next 15 years, which is what I've
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really witnessed.
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Now, to get back to your question very briefly explaining my journey, it was in the setting
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of amnesia.
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That's very important to point out because that's an atypical feature of my into e that
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I had no memories of Evan Alexander's life.
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The words, the language, knowledge of earth, humans, etc.
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It's God.
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And that empty slate was very important for the depth of where I was to go with all this.
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I didn't know that at the time, but it only became clear over the months and years of
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follow up after the event.
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And in fact, the essence of my NDE was really in three different levels of the spiritual
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realm.
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The first was what I call the earth, or my view, very primitive course on responsive realm.
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If all I'd done was go there and come back, I would have had a hellish NDE or a distressing
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NDE.
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But I went beyond that as most, you know, 95% of NDE's do into a realm that is far more
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beautiful and kind of our spiritual home, very comforting.
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The Gateway Valley is what I call that.
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It had a lot of earth-like features.
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I had no body awareness.
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I was a speck of awareness on a butterfly wing, witnessing all that I did see in that realm,
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but that was a reality far more real than anything I was ever used to.
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And to kind of put that perspective, you need to realize that's the realm where, for
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example, we go through life reviews.
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And life review is experiencing birth to death, everything in between all at
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once.
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It's completely outside of earth time in a more eternal realm.
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And that's what I witnessed as so many other have in that realm.
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Thousands of years of history of reports of people with life reviews.
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And the life review is really just the gold rule written into the fabric of the universe.
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Treat others as you would like to be treated because the life review is really a kind of
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review of the events of your life that's from the emotional perspective of others around
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you who are impacted by your thoughts and action.
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And the life review also was more of a reliving than a remembering.
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And it's like this disappearance of boundaries itself.
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Now for me, that was only a stepping stone in the journey, the gateway valleys, I called
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it, because music provided yet another portal just as it had leading the up from the earth
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where I view these melodies that came with this portal of light that allowed me to ascend
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to the next level.
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And likewise in the gateway valley, there were angelic choirs and hymns, chants, anthems,
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thundering from my awareness that energized yet another portal to a higher level.
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Turns out that the third level, the main level that I visited beyond that gateway valley,
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that ultra real span was the core realm.
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That's why I realized that oneness with the divine is the very source of our conscious awareness.
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That all the dualities completely resolve as you get to that core level of oneness.
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And I would cycle through these levels multiple times.
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All that is told and much more tale, of course, improve of happening in my many talks about
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it.
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And in the sequel to that book, which is really living in my universe, that was co-written
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with my partner, Karen Newell.
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But it turns out I cycled through those levels as discussed many, many a time.
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And then finally, there come a point where I could no longer conjure up the musical melody
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that led up into that gateway valley to say I was sad at that moment would be an understatement.
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But I also do I could trust in the universe that I would be taking care of as I was promised
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by that beautiful spiritual guide.
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And I knew that was the case.
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And so it turns out then I witnessed thousands of beings going off into the distance, heads
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bowed, murmuring energy, a lot of them with holding candles or hands up like that.
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And when I called all that and coming back to this world in my early writings, and though
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weeks after returning from coma, was the power of prayer.
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That's how I saw that.
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Was it was drawing me back to this world.
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And the last thing I saw in the coma experience were the six faces.
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It would kind of bubble up out of the muck, say a few words into some beer again.
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That was a conversation from the skeptic manifestations.
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If that sparked something, the full interview goes much deeper.
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You'll find the link in the show notes.
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And if there's someone in your life that you think might just need to hear this today,
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why not send it to her way?
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Thanks for listening.
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We'll see you on the next conversations.
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