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I want to see your version of spicy because I can get spicy.
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I can too, girl.
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I know you can get spicy.
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No, it's good and bad to know that I can get spicy.
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Oh, you're spicy.
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You're a redhead for a reason.
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Let's just put it that way.
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Okay.
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And I think we should start the same way every time.
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Like, hey, I'm Kat, I'm Michelle.
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You know, like, you know.
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Yeah, I'm Kat, I'm Michelle, and this is Divorced & Dating.
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Yeah, I'm like, you know, this is Divorced & Dating.
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Hey everyone and welcome to Divorced and Dating.
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I'm Kat.
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I'm Michelle.
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And today we're talking about what happens when you realize that you were the one in your marriage who was handling everything, taking care of everything, fixing everything.
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Then you get a divorce and then you go, oh, I'm still doing it.
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Exactly.
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Like, why?
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What's going on?
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So today, yeah, we're talking about over-functioning.
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Over-functioning, yeah.
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And didn't even realize I was doing it until now.
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Still now.
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Yeah.
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Still now.
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No, it's, I mean, it's kind of incredible.
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It's this thing where you can be a very capable woman.
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It's obviously not everyone and not in every marriage, but, you know, different things for different marriages.
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But both Michelle and I figured out that at one point we were over-functioning in our marriages and now we're kind of back in the dating world and you feel like, yeah, I'm not going to do that anymore.
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No, not at all.
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No.
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And it's like, as a divorced woman, like, why am I still over-functioning and they're still under-functioning?
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So that's just a big no-no for me.
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Yeah.
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So what are some of the ways that that manifests itself for you, both in your divorce life and in your dating?
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I feel like, you know, we should have rules, right?
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So for me, if a guy doesn't make effort immediately, then it's a no.
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Because I feel like already, that's like a red flag of like, he's just low effort, you know?
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Right.
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What do you guys think about that?
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Like, what do you think?
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Yeah, I would agree with that.
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I mean, it's sort of, I've actually told guys that I'm dating that.
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I'm willing to sort of meet them halfway, maybe.
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I think you're a little more strict.
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I'm willing to meet halfway.
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I'm willing to go like, okay, I'll even plan the first date.
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And I've had a guy say, well, I'm, you know, something
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To the effect of, well, I'm not an alpha male.
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I'm not going to plan all the dates.
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I'm like, cool, I'll plan the first date.
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But also, I was in a 20-year marriage where I was the over-functioner all the time.
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I'm not interested in being in a relationship again where I plan everything.
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I don't want to be the cruise director for our whole lives.
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No cruise directing.
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No.
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Just not that fun, as it turns out.
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Exactly.
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So that's kind of like your non-negotiable.
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With me, I would say I wouldn't even meet them.
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Great.
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I want to see the guy put in the effort for the first date.
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That kind of sets the tone and then lets me know where they are.
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And then at that moment, it's like I want to reciprocate.
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One other thing that I've learned, ladies, through dating coaches actually, is that we don't pay for anything.
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Because that sets the tone too.
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So my first date with my ex-husband, I think I was like, oh, it's okay if I pay half.
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And I was a child.
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I didn't understand.
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But what we can do to show affection, right?
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As we engage with a guy and they tell us what they like, even a small teeny gift, even if it's like $15, $10, it's thoughtful.
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It's something he's going to like.
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on the second date if you're like hey i saw this and picked it up for you that buys 3,000 more dinners. oh that's sweet you know what i mean? i'm definitely, i'm a i'm a little bit more fluid with that maybe. it's like i think we talked about before i really love to have a coffee date at the first date yeah if i get there before he does i'm totally willing to like hey do you want me to order you anything? like i'll text him, which kind of means you're paying for coffee but like i won't do it it's
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I'll sit and wait.
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You're setting a tone.
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You're setting a tone.
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I get that.
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You're ready to get my coffee order?
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All right.
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You're good.
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But I really love that idea of the thoughtful details.
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As you're developing a relationship, I want that, but I don't expect them to do something for me that I wouldn't do for them in that way.
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Like 100%.
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Thoughtful details are good.
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Yeah.
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And we're not like man-haters.
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I think men today.
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We both love men.
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That's the problem.
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But I want to show affection, but also set boundaries of what I expect because...
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what were you talking about before? like how once you know how to do everything on your own it's like what is that person bringing to the table? yeah well it's i feel like a lot of men believe that they are somehow competing with all the other men in the world. you know we've we're all "the whole six, rule of six six six" as far as like men thinking they need a six pack and make six figures and right and six feet tall it's like not only do we not need that it's just
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really uncommon.
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I mean, frankly, especially in your 40s, there's just not that many men with six-packs.
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Or women for that matter.
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Either way, let's say straight men.
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Sure, that's really true.
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The really hot ones are gay.
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That's why we have our gay friends.
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We have something to look at.
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And there are men with all of these qualities.
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However, that's the point is we don't have to have that.
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That's not really what you're competing with.
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You're not competing against men with those things.
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When you're competing for our time and energy, you're competing with this life that I've built where I don't really want to leave the house all the time.
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Or I want to hang out with my girlfriend.
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Michelle and I can go out and have a wonderful time.
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It doesn't need to be any men involved at all.
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So the question just becomes, at this stage of our lives and momhood and careers and everything else,
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do you actually want to give your time and energy to this person is more the question than competing with someone else.
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Exactly.
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And I think it goes in line with what are you looking for?
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For me, I do want that adventurous partner that I can say, hey, babe, let's go to Paris for the weekend.
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But also, let's just walk down to the beach or let's take a long bike ride.
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Or, hey, I'm going to work.
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What are you going to do?
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If you have mutual respect with someone and trust, you don't have to be with them every...
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second of the day.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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I think that's true.
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I mean, I think it, and it does go back to the over-functioning a little bit.
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Like, I don't want to be anyone's caretaker.
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I am a mom.
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I don't want to be your mom if I'm gonna date you.
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I know.
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I mean, you know, obviously when you're in a relationship with someone, there's, in sickness and in health.
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And once you're already there, we're not saying about not doing stuff for your partner, but at the same time, I don't want to be the only one doing stuff.
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Exactly.
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I think it should be a fun little thing.
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So I'm watching some dating shows, too.
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I'm always, like, invested in this.
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And one of the things one of the couples was worried about was that lag that happens, right?
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Like, once you get comfortable with someone and then it's like, we just hit a wall, I'm bored.
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And they're always looking for the
adventure.
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And it's like, it doesn't have to be an adventure.
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You know, it's like to the young girls out there, like the butterflies are actually your body's warning.
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It's not like that's it.
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This man is so awesome.
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It's your body going.
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Oh, my nervous system's not good.
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Yeah, it's scaring me right now.
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And so we have to remember too, like you can love someone without having to be like so grandiose about it.
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Oh, hell yes.
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I think you are dead on.
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And, you know, I've said that to men before that I've been dating.
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If you're with me, the roller coaster comes from the adventures we come up with.
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Exactly.
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I'm not playing into drama.
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I will just not be part of that.
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I don't need that.
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My nervous system doesn't want that.
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I have lived so much drama.
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I'm good.
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We're done with that.
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There's enough stuff that happens in life.
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Like, you know, bad things are going to come along, dramatic things, whatever.
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Things happen to everyone in your life.
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We don't have to create it.
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We don't.
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So I feel like finding peace is what I'm looking for.
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That's true.
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And having someone with mutual respect that if I say, like, you know, my daughter's having a bad day, I think I'm going to take her to ice cream, they're all for it.
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They're all about it.
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They're not like, oh, well, we were supposed to go out.
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Like, you know, because that happened to me dating a guy.
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Um...did it?
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Yeah, he was competing with my kids' time
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And what about me?
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What about me?
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But, and no shade.
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He didn't have a family, you know, 47, never married.
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No children.
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So at that point in his life, he's like, I'm all in.
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And there's nothing wrong with that.
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Right.
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So I'm just a different.
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Because people at my age honestly have kids that are in college.
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We have kids at home.
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It's not fair.
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But there are people our age that are grandparents already.
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Exactly.
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So there are some men that just don't expect to meet a 51-year-old woman who's taking her kids to elementary school.
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Right.
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So I respected it.
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I was like, respectfully, we're just not a good fit because we're in different stages.
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Yeah, and honestly, that's how I view dating in general right now.
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Like, I don't, if it doesn't work out, cool.
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That's okay.
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It's not our love.
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If someone goes, yes, exactly.
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It's like, go get it.
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Somebody put up a poll the other day of, like, what would, if you could just kick out one of the following, what would you kick out?
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It was, like, breadcrumbing, ghosting, mixed signals.
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And I was just like, yeah, no, I'm...
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I don't need to kick them out.
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I just walk away.
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Like, it's cool because we're not, it's another one for the younger ladies.
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Like, we're not going to sit here and try to decode mixed signals.
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No, no, no.
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No, we know what we want.
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It's just like, if you're leaving me confused, bye.
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Bye.
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Yeah.
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I don't want to do that.
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No, I'm not confused about what I need in a relationship and mixed signals is not it.
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Right?
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No, that's not it.
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Bread crumbing is the same thing.
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You just give a little piece of attention and then you go away for a while.
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No.
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That's not, we don't have to.
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Exactly.
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So like the over-functioning is now just, we get rid of the over part.
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Well, it sort of plays into all of this, right?
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We don't chase them down.
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If somebody's going to ghost me, cool, bye.
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Like, I don't need a lie.
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I don't need an explanation.
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By the way, has anyone ever given you a really good explanation for a breakup?
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Probably not.
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Like a satisfying one.
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Yeah.
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Okay, so today's sponsor is The Slim Haus, and I am the founder, Michelle.
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Just to let you know, it is near and dear to my heart because I wanted to find solutions for women like myself.
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So I've been in your shoes before where you can't lose weight, you've got the brain fog.
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You're just like trying to work out and nothing is happening, or you just don't have the energy anymore, and you need help.
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You know, you're juggling children with sports and all kinds of things.
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So with the Slim Haus, as the founder, I found that losing weight is a trend, but staying slim is a lifestyle.
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And so it's all about lifestyle changes.
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Eating right, working out, full balance.
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But then sometimes you need a little extra GLP1 in there.
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And so that's what I've done.
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I've looked and vetted all of the best pharmacies.
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I have an excellent doctor network.
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So when you go online, everything is private.
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It's between you and your computer.
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And I'm here just to help.
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So come visit Slim Haus.
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Absolutely.
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There's going to be a coupon code in the show notes.
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Absolutely.
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So for Divorced & Dating, I'm going to put D&D as your coupon code.
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And with that, you'll save a little extra.
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Thanks, guys.
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So now is a recurring segment we like to call Dating as a Mom.
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Oh, gosh.
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But you need the rules.
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New rules.
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Yes.
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So as a new rule, I honestly have to say, no second
chances.
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And we're going to call you out on that.
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Oh, yes.
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Because Little Miss did give a second chance.
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She told me about it, and I was like, wait, what?
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I thought we were very clear.
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We are not doing second chances.
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So as an example, I think you should tell your story so that people realize that patterns are going to occur.
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And when we see things, we just need to walk away.
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Yeah.
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It's so true.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Tell us about it.
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By the way, every time I give someone a second chance, I regret it.
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Exactly.
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Don't waste your time.
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Usually it doesn't work out the first time for the reason.
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So this was somebody.
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I had not been in person.
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So I will just say that.
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Like, it was a dating app match.
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We were having good, like, text conversations.
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He's a divorced dad of several kids.
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He lives, like, an hour and a half or so away, I think.
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And so we were going to meet up.
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He also works for himself.
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He also controls his schedule, so it was like a daytime thing.
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And then this was still during the school year.
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So he said his kid got sick.
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No problem.
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I'm like, I've had kids sick.
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Kids get sick.
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Yeah.
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That happens sometimes.
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Cool.
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So...
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we kept texting after that a little bit and then he just like fell off the face of the earth.
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Well, like I said, I'm not chasing anybody.
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I'm not even going to follow up.
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I'm good.
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You do you.
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That's cool.
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And then we matched again recently.
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That was probably three months ago.
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We matched again recently on a different app.
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And he's like, hey, beautiful, can I have a second chance with you?
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And I was like, oh, the beautiful.
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That's right.
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It probably is a red flag.
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Yes, it's a red flag.
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But I was just like, okay.
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Like when I had a phone conversation with this guy, he was cool.
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Like I was like,
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All right, sure.
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Second chance.
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Why not?
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And so we planned to meet up.
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And I was, like, willing to meet him halfway as far as the driving.
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No.
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And then he started being like, or you could just come here.
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And I was sort of like, no, no, no.
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Especially the first time.
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And, like, I'm going to meet you in public.
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Yeah.
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I'm not coming to your place.
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But also, like, yeah, I don't need to drive all the way there if I don't even know if there's going to be a vibe in person.
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Bread crumber.
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Yeah.
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So we were, like, making the plans.
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It was like, okay, we're both available on Tuesday.
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We're going to do it on Tuesday.
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And then...
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leading up to that, it was like, I was trying to get specific, like, okay, we're gonna meet at a time, at a place, and he did not respond.
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And then he sent me like- Shocker.
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And then he sent me like another message the next day of like, what are you up to?
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He should have been blocked.
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I know, I know.
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Why is he not blocked?
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I'm verklempt.
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Okay.
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Right?
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I know, she's like horrified by each detail.
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Yeah, my skin's crawling.
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It's crawling.
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So yeah, it was like the next day, he was like, what are you up to?
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And I sent a message back of like, oh, what I'm up to.
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And what are you up to?
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And he never responded to that either.
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And then, so like,
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By now, I'm just sort of like, cool, whatever.
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Tuesday comes and goes.
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I'm not going to mention a damn thing because we did never figure it out specifically.
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I mean, he was the one who had now twice not responded to the messages.
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So like a week or two after that, he texts me and was like, we should get together this week.
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And I was like,
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No, we were supposed to get together last Tuesday.
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I can't with this guy.
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I can't.
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All right, so do we think he's married?
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Do we think there's a girlfriend and he's off and on?
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Honestly, I think it's L.A. and he's flighty, probably.
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And, like, cool.
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Like, whatever it is, he's not my person.
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And that's okay.
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It's also okay to not even overthink it.
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It's very simple.
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That is definitely where I am at this point.
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Like, I don't really think everyone has an ulterior motive.
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I am more inclined to believe... there definitely are guys that are married or doing nefarious things.
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He's falling in line with that.
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There are those people.
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I usually just think most, like, the simplest explanation is usually that somebody has not got themselves together.
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Yeah.
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back to the over-functioning.
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I bet if I spoke to his ex-wife, she might be an over-functioner.
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She might be like, yeah, I was married to a grown-up man child.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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And that is how I feel as an ex-wife.
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I was married to a very baby man kind of man.
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So I'm not interested in going down that road.
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I'm not even going to go there. {Mouth zipping up motion}
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Yay!
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Amazing.
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First of all, the audacity of this man to not only reach out to you like months later, but then to flake, and then reach out again and flake.
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Right!
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Like these dudes just, this is why we say just block
them, just move on, because they're gonna just keep trying.
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It's the test and apologize, right?
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Yes.
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They're gonna test to see how far they can go.
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Yes.
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And then, oh, I'm so sorry I overlooked that detail, but it's true.
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But they were doing it on purpose to see how much we'd put up with.
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We are very into the Burned Haystack Method around here.
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As we've talked about before.
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And I probably haven't just been executing on it as stellarly as Michelle does.
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She does.
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Only because I kept trying to prove it wrong.
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And I just, you know.
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That's probably a whole other topic of conversation.
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I think, yeah, when you start giving grace to men that you don't even know, who you owe nothing to.
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Yeah.
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Why are you giving them grace?
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I mean, that's really kind of true.
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There is a version of me that goes like, sure, everybody can have a bad day or a bad week or a bad whatever.
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Usually it's indicative.
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It's usually not just that day, that week, that one time.
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Right.
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Something went weird.
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But yeah.
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It's a pattern.
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Yeah.
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It's usually a pattern.
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And now we know we need to block.
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Block to burn.
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Block to burn.
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With the audacity, with the test and apologize, with the failure to follow up on plans.
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With the breadcrumbing.
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With the low effort.
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Why don't you just come here?
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On the first date, that means he doesn't want to pay for you to do anything.
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He doesn't even want to leave his couch.
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He's just like, please come to me, deliver to me.
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I'm going to get you drunk and then maybe get laid.
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Right.
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Well, I mean, that's part of it too, right?
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Is that I'm not going to anyone's house on a first date.
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I've never met you, sir.
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I am not going to your private lair.
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No.
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That just seems like a safety hazard, if nothing else.
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Well, that's what I was going to say.
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Like, if we were to warn women as they're moving into this dating world, I think...
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That's definitely it.
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Sure.
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Like, I don't even see anyone's house until I understand who they are.
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Or I think I understand who they are.
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Sure.
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Because they can wear that mask for a bit.
445
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that's a safety.
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But if a guy doesn't want...
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I mean, no shade on sluttiness.
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Like, I'm... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
450
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I'm slutty enough to not throw any shade in that direction.
451
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Yeah.
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If there's anybody that needs to see anybody's house.
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If you want to be a hoe, girl, be a hoe.
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I'm just saying that's not where I'm in life.
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No, exactly.
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And just as a safety concern, you've got to get to know someone first.
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That's true.
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Before anyone goes to anyone's house.
459
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Absolutely.
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So ladies, if you are new to dating, that is the new rule.
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No second chances.
462
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It's really true.
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Back out in the dating world now, we need the new rules.
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Absolutely.
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Just keep it moving.
466
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So thank you so much for joining us today, everybody.
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Until next time, and always remember, trust your gut.
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Block those red flags and do not text your ex.
470
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Right?
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That's it.
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I was like I don't know where to go I don't know either that's okay