Jakson Seth Feroce Talks Steroids, Drugs, & Life täydellinen litterointi

like, I mean, dude, you're measuring your fucking rice by like the grain of rice, like per gram. 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:13.039 You're like, oh, look at this. 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:15.199 Like, you start getting a little fucking weird. 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:16.079 You're a little funky. 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:22.160 Yeah, like behind closed doors, like everybody, it's I love my wife, everything's this and great. 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:25.600 And she's like, this motherfucker is crazy. 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:32.160 Yeah, he is insane, and it's like, I am, I am by the way. 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:34.879 I always start recording in the beginning if that's chill. 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:35.839 Yeah, dude, I'm cool. 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:36.720 No worries, dude. 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:37.519 I'm I'm excited. 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:39.519 I'm excited for this, uh, for this. 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:43.199 I appreciate you having me on and uh reaching out and I'm pumped. 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:48.720 What you're doing's really cool because it's uh, you know, it's it's what you're it's you, you know. 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:51.759 So I'm I'm I'm pumped. 00:04:51.839 --> 00:04:57.120 I've yeah, I'm I'm excited because I'm getting freed up to do more content. 00:04:57.279 --> 00:04:57.519 Yeah. 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:06.399 And start just reaching different people that uh know who I am but might not know some of the details about me just because of different demographics, like you're a little bit of a younger cat. 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:18.720 So it's like just making sure that people understand, like, you know, where some of the older heads are, or a figure like myself that uh people see me from there's people that know me, they're like, Oh, you're the Machiavelli motivation guy. 00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:21.600 And I'm like, people know me fucking running. 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:24.079 I know that's what I mean. 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:29.839 Like it's just it's navigating through it and and over, like I said, bringing on more people and uh getting into content. 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:32.480 Like that's I just want to be out there doing cool shit, dude. 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:33.199 I love that, dude. 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:37.040 And I think there's a lot of people, there's a lot of people even this in this audience that love that too. 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:43.600 Because uh you got a a few QAs asking you to do more of the uh old school training videos and all that shit too. 00:05:43.759 --> 00:05:44.959 Oh yeah, I'm excited. 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:45.839 It's in the request. 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:55.360 Um before I'm before I go on though, because obviously I told you this in person how much how I was literally watching you 10 years ago, dude. 00:05:55.600 --> 00:06:04.240 But um what you're saying about the possessive thing, uh, I still have uh homies that have videos of me from us getting back at 2 a.m. 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:19.600 after festivals of me

taking out chicken breast from the fridge and measuring unsalted and unseasoned chicken breast on my body scale or weighing scale that I brought to a fucking festival in another state. 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:22.879 So people can be shivered. 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:32.480 Yeah, because it but I I think I think that uh doing stuff like that just helps it builds character. 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:41.839 And that's why I always say, like, if you're into lifting weights and if you're into bodybuilding a little bit, like if you like following bodybuilding or like, man, I'd like to do a show one day. 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:48.000 I am a I'm a bigger advocate now than I've ever been of saying, fuck it, do it. 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:49.279 Just do it. 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:54.240 It doesn't matter if you suck, who cares if you suck at it or you don't think you're ready? 00:06:54.399 --> 00:07:09.040 What it is going to do to your mind is gonna be wild because whenever you're really fucking hungry and you're not allowed to eat and you gotta do more cardio, or you start weighing things out like you're like, oh, okay, this is this meal, this is this meal. 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:20.480 It it starts to organize your brain in a different way, and you start to become this next version of yourself that you might not know of is what it did it it existed inside of you. 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:27.920 So, like, like you said, like may w weighing things out after a festival or like a really long weekend where it's like, you should probably just eat fucking something. 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:30.480 You're like, has to be this though. 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:32.240 It has to be this. 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:41.040 Yeah, it starts doing something and it kind of develops you into, you know, like I said, the next level of of you, you know, might bring something out you didn't know was inside of you. 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:41.839 Yeah, man. 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:47.439 Um, the closest one of the closest things that I can relate to that at this moment, which is really freaking ironic. 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:53.199 Um, my obsessioness of staying lean for so long and how hard it was for me to stay shredded and counting macros. 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:59.759 And then, dude, I had to like I had to cut on like 1200 calories for the show that I got my pro card in. 00:07:59.839 --> 00:08:01.680 And because I was like, I was fucking tiny, bro. 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:04.560 But yeah, and uh now we got red to shoot. 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:06.319 Yeah, and GLPs. 00:08:06.959 --> 00:08:08.560 I have it's crazy, bro. 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:14.959 I haven't I haven't fucked with any of these, but there's some people they're like, everybody responds a little bit differently, from what I'm understanding. 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:19.839 And people are like, the Retta, it changes the entire game. 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:21.680 They're saying it changes everything. 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:25.519 And I'm like, I don't know if I want to do that because I might like it too much. 00:08:25.759 --> 00:08:26.319 I know, right? 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:30.000 I don't need I don't need to, you know, because I'm like, no harm. 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:37.120 I don't know, I don't know a whole lot about peptides, and all I know is is the things that I did put into myself, I really fucking liked. 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:40.639 So maybe I shouldn't introduce more shit into there. 00:08:40.879 --> 00:08:42.639 Yeah, yeah, for real, dude. 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:43.679 But it's legit. 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:44.799 Do you like it? 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:46.000 Um, I like it, man. 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:49.600 I mean, I honestly felt as guilty as probably you might have when I first started. 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:53.840 I was like, dude, there's there's no way you just you guys just made bodybuilding this much easier. 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:59.039 Like really, I was really salty for a while, man, because dieting was the hardest fucking part for me. 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:04.320 I'm like Fuad where I could like smash an entire like I can smash an entire pizza or a whole buffet. 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:14.559 Dude, I think I I honestly dieting is I'm if we were to like give myself a report card on bodybuilding training, a plus, dude. 00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:18.799 Like I will say that that is that's where I will let my ego fly. 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:22.080 Fucking training, I am top notch at it. 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:25.679 Dieting, I'm like an A minus B plus. 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:31.200 Like I can suffer, I can suffer, but like I fucking hate it with a passion. 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:33.039 Hate it with a passion. 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:34.240 I'm I'm good at it. 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:35.279 I can get people in shape. 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:37.919 I got myself into fucking crazy shape. 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:42.960 Um, but like it's just something that I'm not like I'm not phenomenal at. 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:43.360 Yeah. 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:51.360 Uh meanwhile, like, but that's where the Retta comes in and what people have been saying about these peptides, where it's like it just takes everything to the next level. 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:54.320 Yeah, you might you might like Retta a little bit too much of them. 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:55.360 That's that's what I mean. 00:09:55.519 --> 00:10:04.639 Like I have uh uh I have my thing is I have everything in my life on fucking lock right now, like how I train, how I prioritize my calories. 00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:13.840 Like, I'm like, I'm able to eat a peanut butter and jelly rice cake every single fucking night of my life and still stay pr in really good shape and look pretty damn good. 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:17.840 I'm like, I'm fucking, I'm in a really good spot right now, dude. 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:18.799 I can't lose. 00:10:19.039 --> 00:10:21.360 So like I get a sweet treat every single day.

00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:22.320 I'm I'm good. 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:25.279 I add something in there, I'm like, oh fuck. 00:10:25.440 --> 00:10:25.759 Uh uh. 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:26.720 Can't do it. 00:10:27.279 --> 00:10:30.720 Sad about bodybuilding made me obsessive about rice cakes of all things, dude. 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:34.159 People are still like, you eat rice cakes, and I'm like, I love them. 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:35.679 I don't know how I don't know what's good. 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:38.399 I'm like, I just think it's it's 35 calories. 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:39.440 It's the greatest thing in the world. 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:40.480 It's fucking super easy. 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:41.519 I stay lean and look good. 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:42.000 Fuck it. 00:10:42.159 --> 00:10:43.120 Yeah, for sure, dude. 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:44.879 Rice cakes and almond butter. 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:45.519 Yeah. 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:46.639 What's up, homies? 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:48.480 I'm back at my new place now in Vegas. 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:51.440 And we just came out with some new shirts for the uh transparent merch. 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:52.399 None of the basic shit. 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:59.360 Now we got some new six styles, a little bit of uh metal and rock inspired, some other shit, you know, and then also a bunch of new colors. 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:07.919 So if you guys want to check that out on the site, that's www.icon spelled a y-k-o-n-s icons.com slash niile. 00:11:08.159 --> 00:11:13.840 That'll automatically apply the Nile discount code and um get you right to the site where we have the new designs up. 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:18.639 And um, some of the stuff like the cutoff are 380 GSM French Terry cotton. 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:23.440 So pretty high quality stuff that were helped design by my boy Dion, one of my best friends in the world. 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:28.879 This is the guy that uh he and I went through a lot in life in the last decade as our best friend Ryan passed away. 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:30.720 And I'm really happy that I got to do this with him. 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:31.840 But anyways, this is out. 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:34.960 So if you guys ever need anything or you have any complaints, I'm fucking here. 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:35.679 Just let me know. 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:38.960 Let's ride this shit out and grab life by the balls, baby. 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:39.679 Peace. 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:50.799 I had to give you your flowers, by the way, bro, but uh, you're definitely and I I think there's a good uh there's a definitely a good man of the audience that already know this, but you're one of the first pros that talked so openly and real about all of this stuff, man. 00:11:51.120 --> 00:12:01.840 And I I still remember watching your videos 10 years ago to the steroid drugs and life videos, to the shoulder workouts back in college, even before I even knew what Anadrol was, bro. 00:12:02.320 -->

00:12:07.039 And I was like, this is one hardworking real ass motherfucker, bro. 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:09.519 I I go ahead. 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:10.879 Sorry, keep sorry, keep going. 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:23.039 Um I I just I appreciate like all those videos that you posted because one one off, like I think so many people were just afraid to talk about that back then, you know what I mean? 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:54.799 And along with you openly talking about that, I think that kind of just even made more concrete the fact that like I can listen to you about the things that you were talking about when it came to our the the day the the things that we just went through through life, things that were unrelated to bodybuilding, and all your all your philosophies always resonated with the things that I've been through and pushed me forward in the past, such as like just be a good motherfucker, work hard in every aspect, there's no perfect person for everyone out there, no perfect relationship. 00:12:55.039 --> 00:13:01.440 Just all of these things that you talked about, I think always resonated, and maybe they resonated like a little bit less when I was younger. 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:06.480 I was just like, okay, this is like an older figure, like an older brother figure, an older dad figure, and I'm gonna listen to him. 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:13.360 But as I grew older, every couple of years, something would happen, and I would be like, oh fuck, dude. 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:15.919 Life is fucking crazy. 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:20.720 I uh yeah, no, I I appreciate you saying that. 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:34.240 It's it's it's cool to I always I was the young guy coming up at one point, and I had OGs like Jay watch I watched Jay Cutler in his prime, like be Jay Cutler. 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:42.879 So like uh being the younger guy and now being like an OG of YouTube, people were like, bro, you were one of the first ones to do this, and I remember your shoulder videos from 10 years ago. 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:45.440 I'm like, I've been in this for a minute. 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:55.120 And uh, but it it's it's cool because, like you said, uh like a an older brother, a dad figure, like that's really, you know, I talk a whole lot about life. 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:58.960 I had a kid in college when I was 22 years old, is when I had my daughter. 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:03.600 She's 18 now, you know, graduating college, you're graduating high school, going to college. 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:21.919 It's it's wild to be in this position, but just what you said, like a lot of the things that I've said and how it reson resonates with a lot of young men was I know eventually they'll come to these videos and they'll see things or they'll hear me say things and be like, Motherfucker, dude. 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:23.279 He was right. 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:38.639 I know that as these young men start to develop, and as these younger guys that are that are in their late teens, early 20s develop into young men into their mid-20s, 26, 27, they're gonna start seeing that life is actually a giant cunt sometimes. 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:41.440 And like you're gonna have to work through it. 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:50.879 And you're you're gonna be like, I didn't know I could be, feel like the strongest, most incredible young man and know everything at 25, 26. 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:55.360 And then when I'm 27, all of a sudden feel like I know nothing. 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:58.320 I don't know where the fuck I am in life right now. 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:00.559 I don't know what happened to me as a man. 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:05.840 I feel like I'm in this stagnated stalemate position and I don't know what to do. 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:08.639 Holy fuck. 00:15:08.799 --> 00:15:11.600 Like, there's so many young men, and it happens at different times. 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:16.240 It might happen at 23, 25, 27, and it's like, what do I do at that point? 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:26.559 Or you've been with this girl, your your girl for the past five years, and then all of a sudden at 26 years old, the whole relationship just disappeared. 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:26.879 Yeah. 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:29.679 And you're like, I have to find out who I am again. 00:15:29.840 --> 00:15:32.240 Yeah, I don't even know what kind of young man I am. 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:34.720 It's it's this wild thing that occurs. 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:43.919 And um, and it's like that's why a lot of the the things I talk about in life uh and what the gym has done for me at those low points and and how to work through them. 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:50.000 Because being a young man today is a lot fucking harder than it was 15 years ago, in my opinion. 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:52.080 Like it's a crazy world today. 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:58.080 Uh so it's cool hearing that, hearing you say that, because that's what I want to happen. 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:07.279 Like even like these younger guys, like you're gonna you're in and you becoming a younger man now, like what you say matters for these younger cats. 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:11.360 And hopefully some of the things that you're saying is, you know, we're still complete degenerates as guys. 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:12.559 Like we're still fucked up. 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:17.519 Yeah, we still do crazy, dumb shit, but it's like there's there's part of being a man that you gotta develop. 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:19.120 So cool. 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:21.600 Um I really appreciate you saying that, man. 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:25.120 And you know, I don't know why, but I just had this feeling. 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:28.000 Uh I just felt a little bit called to bring this up. 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:28.639 It's kind of weird. 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:32.799 I actually even sorry, my my words are in a jumble right now. 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:36.000 I even feel like my fucking heart like racing just thinking

about this. 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:39.519 So I've never talked about this at all publicly. 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:42.480 Just because I felt like it wasn't really the time. 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:48.960 Plus, I want to uh respect everyone's I want to respect the people involved. 00:16:49.840 --> 00:17:00.399 Um and I don't know if she may be listening to this or not because she said she will continue to keep tuning into my podcast. 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:17.920 But it's it's I I'm sure it's not a really a secret anymore, but just so people have an understanding my um my ex and I recently just as you said, it's it was a relationship that out of all the relationships I've ever been in in my life, this was finally the one where I was like, this is it, you know? 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:27.839 I'm gonna move with her next to her family to the other side of America in some fucking random bum ass town where nobody lives. 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:40.240 We're gonna buy a house, we're going to build a gym, we're going to have kids, and we're gonna name the kids after our two best friends that both died on the same day, Ryan and Liv. 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:45.920 And um you know, it's nobody's fault. 00:17:46.400 --> 00:17:49.920 But as you say, you know, in life sometimes things just happen. 00:17:50.720 --> 00:17:53.680 Sometimes the universe or God just acts in really weird ways. 00:17:54.720 --> 00:18:04.880 And um there really wasn't anything wrong with the relationship to the fact that even her family still loves the relationship and wish that it was happening. 00:18:05.279 --> 00:18:21.279 Um it was just by situation and circumstances and uh dealing with certain hormones and such things that are things like birth and cook birth control that can be extremely powerful over how you feel, over your desires, over the things you want in life. 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:31.680 It's the same thing as like maybe us young men, whenever we were taking our first cycles, and maybe they were a little bit more than we needed at the time, and suddenly we felt things that we hadn't felt before. 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:35.519 But um honestly, just out of nowhere. 00:18:35.599 --> 00:18:37.519 It's it it's not it's not happening anymore. 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:40.559 So now it's like the world is my oyster again. 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:42.160 I can be wherever I want. 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:45.839 The path I'm gonna take forward is gonna be completely different than it was before. 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:50.559 And now it's just me remapping and refining what my way is. 00:18:51.039 --> 00:19:09.519 And I didn't know that, but I didn't know that, but I mean it's not the first time that shit's happened where we're just like, holy fuck, like I'm I'm I know, I'm sure that you've had people pass away that were absolutely not expected to pass away anytime soon. 00:19:09.920 --> 00:19:12.400 You know, I think sometimes things just happen. 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:23.759 If it was like

a relationship that was toxic, I feel like that would have been totally different because it'd be like, okay, I'm like prepared for something to happen, you know, but sometimes shit just happens out of nowhere, and then we're forced to still move forward. 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:32.240 So um I wanted to ask you, because you always have such great advice for me, for people that are listening to you. 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:54.079 Um I've heard a little bit of your story from like Foo Woods Podcast back in the day, from some of your own YouTube videos, and I was hoping to ask you, even though it might be a little bit tough to jump into right off the bat, um what was the hardest thing that you've ever had to go through outside of bodybuilding? 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:57.519 So you and her are no longer together? 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:01.759 She did she pass away? 00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:02.559 Is or is that a few years? 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:03.279 No, no, no, no. 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:18.559 She didn't she didn't pass away, but um there was just a lot of I don't wanna I don't I it's hard for me to go in depth because obviously I don't know I I have a feeling of what the people associated and what she would want private, for example. 00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:19.200 You know what I mean? 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:21.519 And I think I'm gonna continue to try to pull out a key. 00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:26.000 I just want to clarify that for for for that. 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:28.400 But no, it's uh she's still she's she's good. 00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:30.640 We're just completely different directions now. 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:31.359 Yeah. 00:20:31.599 --> 00:20:33.759 Um sorry to hear that. 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:41.359 I mean it's that that you saying that now, like I was just uh that is an example because I restarted my life when I was 31 years old. 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:55.920 Um and I think that in today's society, a lot of young men, like we just it's easy to get lost and we restart our lives, and it's super scary because like I said, like we could think that we would had we knew everything. 00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:57.680 I knew everything. 00:20:58.000 --> 00:20:59.599 I'm a dad of three. 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:06.319 I got multiple businesses, I have all these great things in my life that people see and they're like, look at Seth. 00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:08.079 He's got all these great things. 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:12.480 And I'm like, my daughter just she's 18, she's going to college. 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:16.880 Pre-med bio g genetics is what she wants to study. 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:20.960 And uh I'm like, holy fuck, you're going to college. 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:22.480 I don't know what to do right now. 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:24.319 I mean, well, I'm like Seth Ferrossi. 00:21:24.480 --> 00:21:30.319 I know everything under the sun, and that's a shock to me that I have to really adapt in my life uh and work through. 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:33.839

Uh I'm super proud and it's exciting, but it scares the shit out of me. 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:36.960 Uh but Adeline is my oldest. 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:39.519 I had her when I was 22 years old in college. 00:21:39.680 --> 00:21:49.599 Uh her mother, her biological mother, um uh she's no longer in her life, hasn't been in her life for probably about 10 years now. 00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:54.559 Um that was yeah, I was 31, so I'm 41 now. 00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:59.839 So the hardest thing I've ever had to do was uh was that portion of my life. 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:07.359 My ex, uh, she we partied a lot in college, uh, partied a ton. 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:11.519 It was a bit much for us. 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:15.039 And then it never really stopped for my ex. 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:16.640 She got really into it. 00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:23.599 Um, and we dabbled here and there, had Adeline in college, but then it just progressively got worse over time. 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:29.119 The long story short is that she eventually became uh an opiate addict. 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:32.880 She got into heroin and got into the heavy, ugly stuff. 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:37.599 And that's whenever I had to be like, hey, this gotta stop. 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:38.960 It's gotta change. 00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:43.119 It's this is it's it's detrimental in threatening the children's lives. 00:22:43.279 --> 00:22:47.440 Some of the personal things that happened, um, it got really scary. 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:50.960 And at that point, we also had Emmy. 00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:57.039 Um, and so there was two girls and us, and it was really bad. 00:22:57.119 --> 00:22:59.519 I spent my life savings trying to save her. 00:22:59.599 --> 00:23:05.839 Uh, when I was 30 years old, uh, you know, I was sponsored, had all the fucking money, I had a great job, all these things. 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:10.079 And this was right whenever I was starting to build all American Roughnack. 00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:26.720 And um I'd spent about I'd spent over the time, over that time of from the 22 to 31, probably$90,000 to$100,000 on drugs and trying to save her clinics, rehabs, you name it. 00:23:27.039 --> 00:23:36.079 In 2014, 2015, 2016, uh, that point probably about$55,000 to$60,000 on clinics and rehabs. 00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:42.480 Spent everything I could to try and save her life, uh, save our family, save everything. 00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:48.240 And it didn't work because whenever someone's an addict, they have to want to help themselves. 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:51.359 And if they don't help themselves, it's not gonna get better. 00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:57.759 And uh at that point in 2016, uh, that's whenever I got full custody of the girls. 00:23:57.839 --> 00:23:59.440 Uh, it was just me and them. 00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:01.440 And we were on our own. 00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:04.240 It was really, really, really fucking hard. 00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:07.200 Uh I didn't know what I

was doing. 00:24:07.359 --> 00:24:08.640 It was terrifying. 00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:14.480 Uh, I didn't, I did not drink or do any drugs of any sort for six months. 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:17.599 Uh, literally restructured my entire life. 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:22.079 Um, and I had to rewire my brain and what I actually wanted out of life. 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:24.640 And as a young man, I'm 30-some years old. 00:24:24.799 --> 00:24:30.960 I'm 30, 31 years old, being like, I gotta re figure out who I am, what I want out of life. 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:32.720 What do I see my life? 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:37.440 And at that point, that's whenever I, that's why I stopped drinking or smoking any weed or anything like that. 00:24:37.519 --> 00:24:41.599 Because I was like, I have to think incredibly clearly right now. 00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:46.319 I have to think so clearly because it's not just me, it's also two little girls. 00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:49.440 And they no longer have a mother figure in their life. 00:24:49.599 --> 00:25:00.960 And I am a very traditional man that believes that you need a a very present father and a good woman, a good mother in your life, just for development, whether you're a little boy or a little girl. 00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:05.759 Having a good man and a good woman, the there's nothing like the love of a good woman. 00:25:05.920 --> 00:25:08.240 That's been a saying forever because it's so true. 00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:11.279 And I'm like, I don't have that now. 00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:25.680 And I don't think I should have it, or I don't think I should be just chasing down a whole bunch of women right now, because I can, sure, I can get my rocks off and get laid, but I need to find a woman because that's what I need in my life, and that's what my girls are gonna need. 00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:31.680 And that's gonna be a super fucked situation of raising two children that are not your own as a woman. 00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:34.000 Very scary position to be in. 00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:39.359 But and at that point I was like, okay, I need to focus on myself. 00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:41.039 What do I actually like? 00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:43.359 What do I want out of life? 00:25:43.519 --> 00:25:45.599 And who who am I? 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:47.279 Like, who am I as a man? 00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:48.640 Like, I'm Seth Ferzi. 00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:51.440 Let's remove the name. 00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:52.799 Who are you? 00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:54.160 What do you stand for? 00:25:54.319 --> 00:25:56.240 And what do you want out of life? 00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:00.880 This beautiful gift that we have here that you get to wake up every day. 00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:06.160 I got 10 fingers, 10 toes, a beaten heart, lungs that work, a brain. 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:08.720 I can fucking take over the world if I want to. 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:10.640 I just have to believe in myself. 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:23.440 So it's like the this whole that whole concept of the hardworking motherfucker, the being a good man, being a good hardworking motherfucker, that's when things really started coming to life in this time period because it was such shit. 00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:24.960 Like I knew it was trash. 00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:28.799 I knew I wasn't in a good headspace and I needed to figure myself out. 00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:33.839 And that's whenever I just started having all these personal conversations. 00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:38.799 And um you really have to rewire your brain. 00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:42.319 Like I said, what do I want out of, what do I want out of life? 00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:46.640 And I I started, like I was starting to say earlier, like a creative mindset. 00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:48.160 Like I'm super creative. 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:52.400 Like I don't, like the the details of execution get a little blurred for me. 00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:55.359 But where it became was I started daydreaming. 00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:56.960 Like, what do I actually want? 00:26:57.200 --> 00:26:59.039 How do I see myself? 00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:05.599 Do I see myself with uh like what would I imagine a great date to be like with a woman? 00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:07.279 What would I like my life to be? 00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:08.240 How could I see it? 00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:12.720 Well, this is something I I maybe have said publicly like one time. 00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:15.359 It's probably got lost in all the shit that I said. 00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:25.599 But I said I wanted to find a woman that would want to build a life with me on a piece of property and see her like, I see her wearing a sundress. 00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:36.960 I just see her like being this like yellow sundress, beautiful woman that would be like this this warm, sexy, loving figure in my life. 00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:38.559 Like that's what I was envisioning. 00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:39.920 I was like, I just see this. 00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:41.839 That's that's all I kept seeing. 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:52.000 Every time that I would go on this fucking visionary quest of like the life and the woman and the children and all this thing that I want, like, that's what I kept seeing. 00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:56.160 And it really, the figure didn't really have like a certain color of hair. 00:27:56.319 --> 00:28:02.640 Um, it was just this, this aura, uh, if you will, like this yellow sundress, beautiful property. 00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:05.440 And I was like, kept coming back to it. 00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:17.759 So um during that shit time, that's whenever deadlifts and gummy bears became a thing, because I would go to the gym, get whacked out on pre-workout, let heavy weight, go fucking crazy, and eat a nanodraw or two and do some really crazy shit. 00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:23.200 But then there was that side of that, ah, what am I looking as for as a man? 00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:31.039 So again, and that's also where I kind of

developed this concept of like, we as men have many different personalities that live with inside of us. 00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:40.000 That fucked up, crazy, intense deadlifts and gummy bears concept where I'm fucking yacked out on pre-workout, eating andadraw deadlifting 600 fucking pounds. 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:54.079 And then this me where I was as a dad, loving like, I love my girls and all these, because we have these romantic sides, these crazy sides, these protective sides, these degenerate sides that we don't know what to do with. 00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:55.680 Where I feel like doing some drugs now. 00:28:55.839 --> 00:29:00.799 I feel like just, you know, drinking a few beers or drinking a 12 pack or getting fucked up with the boys. 00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:04.160 What the fuck is going on in our heads as men? 00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:06.799 And trying to navigate through all that. 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:19.839 So uh fortunately, I was just somehow, uh the grace of God, like I found I met Hannah, um, and she became that woman that I built this life with. 00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:23.039 Whenever I met Hannah, I sorry, go ahead. 00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:23.839 What were you gonna say? 00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:26.160 I was gonna ask uh, how did you guys meet? 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:30.400 Uh, so uh I was in my mode of like, I'm good on women. 00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:38.079 I may have I started dating a whole bunch of women trying to find this figure in my head, and I was like, it's not working out. 00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:41.519 I was like, these bitches, I can't talk to you. 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:43.039 This is not good. 00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:59.759 And uh my daughter wanted to do gymnastics, so I took her to gymnastics at a local facility here, and uh one of her friends was doing it, so we went there and and I'd, you know, I had a fucking uh I had a car seat with me. 00:29:59.920 --> 00:30:02.799 So I'm in there and I'm pretty fucking jacked at this point, too. 00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:08.079 So I got a big huge beard jacked at carrying this little, this other baby in here. 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:13.200 She's two, and dropping Addie off, and then I'd sit in the stands and watch her. 00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:16.240 And then there was this, you know, pretty hot redhead. 00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:18.000 She's young, hot redhead. 00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:21.920 And I'm like, well, if I'm gonna sit here, at least I have something nice to look at. 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:22.720 That's cool. 00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:24.240 Well, this is good. 00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:24.799 This is good. 00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:27.440 But I'm like, you're probably fucking crazy too. 00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:28.559 Bitches are crazy. 00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:29.920 You guys are fucking nuts. 00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:44.400 So I keep to myself, and then probably about it, it's probably two months in, and then uh, and then uh she eyeballed me and I was eyeballing her, so we got each other's attention, and I'm like, fuck, what am I doing? 00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:45.039 I can't do this. 00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:46.640 This is where my daughter does gymnastics. 00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:47.359 Don't fuck this. 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:56.079 Like, you know, the conversation that we have, and then we ended up starting to slip into each other's DMs and uh and then just started chatting. 00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:57.440 And I'm like, what am I? 00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:04.880 This she was 22, and I'm I'm I was 32 and she was 22, and I'm like, what am I gonna fucking have in common with a 22-year-old girl? 00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:06.880 This is not a good idea. 00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:11.920 And then my business partner, Bob, I was like, I told him, and he's like, Seth. 00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:25.200 He's like, you have talked to women that are 35, 25, single moms, young girls that are he's like, he's like, dude, what's the worst that can happen? 00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:28.319 He's like, just go on the date and shut the fuck up, dude. 00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:29.839 He's like, it just go. 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:34.480 You seem to be happy, so you you're talking to her, and then we went out on a date and actually hit it off. 00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:37.279 I was like, she's really nice, girl. 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:38.480 I kind of like her. 00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:40.079 I was like, I'll be damned. 00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:43.839 And uh, of course, she had a bunch of people saying, you know, it's not a good idea. 00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:45.599 He's got two kids and this. 00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:59.359 But we ended up uh, we ended up just hitting it off, and then we really liked each other, and she just became that figure in my life that was like this beautiful aura of a woman. 00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:06.559 And I was like, You're super young, but I just feel like I don't know why I'm connecting with you at 22. 00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:08.960 I'm like, this is kind of fucked. 00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:13.440 I can I was and then I was like, maybe stop trying to make sense of it, Seth. 00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:19.759 Stop, stop trying to think about it, stop trying to uh figure it out, just roll with them. 00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:24.240 And then we built a life together, you know. 00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:28.319 I told her, I was like, hey, I'm thinking of starting a supplement company, you know? 00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:30.480 And she's like, that's wonderful. 00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:31.920 Sounds like such a good idea. 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:34.640 And I'm like, this is a huge fucking deal in my head. 00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:36.720 And you just like, it's a good idea. 00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:39.519 I'm like, I'm gonna spend all my money that I've made with this company. 00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:42.000 And she's like, that sounds like something pretty intense. 00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:43.119 You sure that's a good idea? 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:44.720 And I'm like, yeah, I think so.

00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:47.039 And she's like, I support you. 00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:52.079 Like we we've known each other for five months, you know? 00:32:52.480 --> 00:33:02.000 And uh, but no, it was it's times like that that uh, you know, I'm able to look back and be very proud and excited, and and it's a great story. 00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:03.920 Uh, you know, we end up having SJ. 00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:07.599 We've been together for fuck, how long has it been though? 00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:13.039 2017, nine years, um, and built built all these things together. 00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:32.240 Uh, but whenever I was in the shit there, like I can't tell you how many sleepless nights I've had, um, how many nights my watching, you know, uh during that time with my ex, like it was just me and the girls, dude, my daughter slept in the corner of our house because that's where she felt safe. 00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:40.559 You know, whenever my daughter, my oldest, is sleeping in the corner of the house because that's where she felt safe from some of the traumatic things that happened in our house. 00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:44.720 Um that will fuck with, that'll fuck with you. 00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:56.960 It really, it's still like I don't, I try not to think about those things a whole lot, but whenever they come up, I look back and I'm like, you know, Adeline sleeping in the corner of the house because that was where she was the most, it was compact. 00:33:57.039 --> 00:34:00.400 It was in, it was between like the two couches were here, like this. 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:03.359 So she'd sleep in the corner because it was just confined. 00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:08.000 You're she's eight years old and that's where she felt the safest in the entire house. 00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:09.199 Fuck me. 00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:12.480 Was I really creating the right environment for her? 00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:17.280 And that's where it was like, Seth, what are you gonna do about that? 00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:22.480 How are you gonna make sure that she feels safe to be in her room again? 00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:24.719 What are you what are what are you going to do? 00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:27.679 What is what what are you gonna make of your life here? 00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:33.599 Um and it's it's heavy. 00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:44.480 Being a single dad, um, I mean, that's I don't that that's also where I said like uh I came up with the phrase, I don't have problems, just more work to do. 00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:55.199 Like everything that we sell and and make money off of, some of the the highest profiting, highest revenue items that we have all came from the worst times in my life. 00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:57.920 Like, I don't have problems, just more work to do. 00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:02.960 I say that to myself over and over because like I had a problem in my life. 00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:09.679 Whenever my ex was doing heroin and it was in our house, it was detrimental to the children. 00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:11.360 That was a fucking problem. 00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:18.880 Like, if one of my kids got that on them, you get fentanyl on a fucking two-year-old, probably gonna die. 00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:20.880 That doesn't feel good. 00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:22.800 That doesn't make me feel good inside. 00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:26.159 And it's like, how am I gonna work through that? 00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:34.239 Um, and it's like at that point, whenever I was thinking about all those things and that happening, like Monday didn't matter. 00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:37.920 I didn't, it didn't matter if it was Monday or it didn't matter when it was. 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:43.280 It was like that was such a hot that was such a problem that it was consuming everything that I was. 00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:45.440 Like it's like Monday, fuck. 00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:48.559 I wish like Monday was my was like the hard day. 00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:53.760 The hard day is n is trying to make sure that this shit doesn't somehow fucking kill my kid. 00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:55.519 That's fucked up. 00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:59.440 Now my life is like my biggest problem is having employee problems. 00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:00.960 Like, that's not a problem. 00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:02.239 Shut the fuck up, dude. 00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:03.760 That's it's just Monday, dude. 00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:05.519 Just go to work and you'll figure it out. 00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:06.159 It's just work. 00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:07.599 You you you figure it out. 00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:09.920 Because there's people actually out there with big problems. 00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:13.119 There's people out there where their kids aren't healthy. 00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:16.960 Their kids, you know, they they do have debilitating diseases. 00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:18.079 They do have things. 00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:21.360 There's five-year-olds that come down with cancer, come down with leukemia. 00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:26.800 If SJ all of a sudden, if we went and took him to the doctors and he had leukemia, Seth's not on the internet anymore. 00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:28.559 I'm probably gonna lose my dog shit. 00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:29.840 I'm not gonna be okay. 00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:35.519 And then there's there's people out there that those things happen to, and I'm like, that's not part of my life. 00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:37.599 I don't have those things in my life anymore. 00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:41.119 I'm just gonna get to fucking work, work on myself, and fuck some shit up. 00:36:41.199 --> 00:36:42.239 That's what I'm gonna do. 00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:43.039 Yeah. 00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:44.960 And then yeah. 00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:46.719 Yeah. 00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:49.760 I went on a rant there for a minute, but no, bro. 00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:51.039 We need these rants. 00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:52.000 Yeah. 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:56.559 And for for things like this with you, it's it's

super scary, you know? 00:36:57.039 --> 00:37:04.559 I f I feel very close to that place that you were in when you were going through all that shit. 00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:12.639 I think it's very nice to hear your story, not just for myself, but I'm sure other people in the audience can relate in their own fashions. 00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:16.880 But it's also a nice place to put myself in the perspective of gratitude. 00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:25.519 Because no matter what even though things may get extremely hard, and these are normally relative to what you've experienced before. 00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:28.960 I know there's always someone else that's got it a little worse. 00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:29.360 You know? 00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:31.199 It's that's what I mean. 00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:34.719 It's it's so it's a morbid, it's hard to do because everybody's got it worse. 00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:38.480 But here's what I was gonna say you're allowed to feel bad. 00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:41.199 Like it's it's okay to feel bad. 00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:43.039 Like it's it's a good thing. 00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:46.719 Like, I look back and I'm like, it's good to feel bad. 00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:47.599 Just let it out. 00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:51.039 It's part of a grieving process, if you will, for lack of better terms. 00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:55.280 Like, go ahead, like sit by yourself and be like, fuck, dude, I just want to feel bad. 00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:56.880 Like, it's okay. 00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:57.760 Feel bad. 00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:03.440 Go to a dark place in your head, really absorb it all, but understand that you can't stay there. 00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:04.000 Yeah. 00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:06.639 You just have to know you can't stay in that spot. 00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:11.440 You can go there, get fucking mean in the gym, let out your emotions. 00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:12.559 It's good to be emotional. 00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:15.199 It lets you know that you're alive, even if they are bad. 00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:16.559 Like it's okay. 00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:17.440 Feel bad. 00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:18.880 Watch a depressing movie. 00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:24.559 It's it's it's listen to fucking stoic intense songs when you train and just let it out. 00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:27.840 But you have to know you're not allowed to stay there. 00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:30.559 Like can't stay there for too long. 00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:31.119 Okay. 00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:38.559 For those low things that you need, you also need those that's a it's a rewiring time to know that you need to come back up. 00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:42.159 Because this is, it's it's somewhat of a roller coaster ride. 00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:46.239 And it's emotional, and it's it's it's there's nights whenever you cry. 00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:50.960 Like, I can't tell you how many nights I cried watching my kid sleep in a fucking corner or get upset or this. 00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:53.119 I'm like,

God damn, what am I doing to myself? 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:54.480 How did I get here? 00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:55.840 How did this happen? 00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:58.800 Doesn't matter how or why, stop doing that. 00:38:58.960 --> 00:38:59.679 Let it out. 00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:00.880 Be emotional. 00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:06.159 Be emotional, and learn how to do it by yourself. 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:12.880 Being alone isn't a bad thing because you can learn a whole lot about yourself, what you actually want out of life. 00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:19.920 That's one of the things I really appreciate most about you, and um why I'm super honored to finally have you on the podcast, man. 00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:39.679 Aside from like the uh fucking thousand of people that have been requesting you over the last like two years, but um is uh I don't know what happened in the last five years, but somehow uh having a family had become the most important thing to me. 00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:48.960 And um maybe that's because my family life was uh a little crazy when I was younger. 00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:49.760 Sure. 00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:51.920 Wasn't quite ideal. 00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:59.519 But I've just this feeling had kind of come out of nowhere, you know. 00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:00.960 I started dreaming about it. 00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:17.119 And uh if there's a place that I can say I'm very happy now from just moving forward, even when those feelings come and they go, but then they come again months later, um just by moving I know I'll be getting in a better place. 00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:28.400 And I think uh in uh that phase of clarity, I can say that and she and I are in good terms, and I couldn't be more proud of her. 00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:38.639 Um, but uh that experience was so phenomenal and important to me because her family is amazing and they showed me so much love. 00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:48.639 I love that I don't think I've ever I hate to say this because I don't want to put anything down on my parents, and my parent my relationship with them is better now, especially my father. 00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:56.800 But uh really showed me what a family could be like and how fucking awesome it is. 00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:05.119 So it's um it's um like that that feeling that came over you of like the feeling of family and all these things. 00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:18.639 I I personally believe that it's something that uh uh uh what develops from being a young man into that next stage of life because it's the the procreation because we are put here to procreate. 00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:20.800 Like we need to reproduce. 00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:21.360 We should. 00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:26.719 That's part of like the the the masculinity side of spreading your seed, if you will. 00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:39.440 It's not like it's um it's not like oh, with all these different women, it's like I believe that you will find somebody to build a life with and choosing the right woman to do so with and wanting to to to reproduce. 00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:47.199 It just it's this thing that happens, especially whenever you see or feel something in life when you're like, I'd like to do that. 00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:47.760 Yeah. 00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:56.159 I would like I would like to have a young son or a daughter or multiple children that are me. 00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:02.000 That that's why I take it so incredibly serious, because it's like Hannah I are creating lives. 00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:04.639 Like we are, we we have three children. 00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:23.840 I want them to understand like what it's like to have a home and what they should, and and finding uh uh a significant other and and how to uh go through these different stages of life and make sure that whenever you do uh find somebody, you actually know it's the right person to build a life with. 00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:25.119 And that's super hard. 00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:32.159 And you don't just build a life with someone because of one reason, them being handsome or anything. 00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:41.599 You need to make sure that there is a physical, mental, and emotional connection with those people and that you the your life will align with them. 00:42:41.840 --> 00:42:44.960 Because today there's the divorce rates through the roof. 00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:47.440 Uh broken homes are so common. 00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:54.480 It's like you need to make sure that when you're building a life, you you build a life with them, um, and choosing the right person to do so. 00:42:54.559 --> 00:43:00.239 And it's it's tough to do, and things aren't the way they were 50 years ago or anything like that. 00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:03.440 So and today it's it's a crazy world today. 00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:06.480 It's very, it's way, it's very difficult. 00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:10.159 Feels like it sometimes. 00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:19.360 Fucking right it is because like you you're you know, um, because today uh it the world's so different. 00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:21.679 The internet has changed so many things. 00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:31.119 Lust and all these different things are so readily available, and it changes how we as young men think, and it changes how women think as well. 00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:32.960 You know, what's important in life? 00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:34.000 It's like fuck. 00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:40.639 Uh if you said like what's important like right now in my life, I have my fucking, my kids are thriving right now. 00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:41.840 I can't wait. 00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:43.920 I can't wait to do things with my kids. 00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:56.400 And it's like, man, if I took, if you took everything away from me in my life, all the businesses and everything that that I that I am, I'm like, I still got one hell of a family that loves me and I will work my ass off for them. 00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:59.360 And it's like, that's a that's a unique

position to be in. 00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:01.039 And I I don't take it for granted. 00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:08.320 And that's why I'm like, uh, I am so grateful because 10 years ago, I never thought that this was what would occur. 00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:09.599 It was very scary. 00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:18.880 And it's like, it's a, and that's why I have hope, uh, like for for any like someone like yourself or any young men out there being like, I don't know what the fuck to do with my light. 00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:20.480 It's like, dude, just keep working. 00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:27.920 Just keep working, you know, meet people, uh, you know, go out there and and put yourself out there uh whenever you're ready. 00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:31.440 And don't be afraid to, you know, just be yourself. 00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:35.679 And if you're like, I don't know who the fuck I am right now, then now's not a good time. 00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:37.599 Figure it out. 00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:38.880 Take your time, dude. 00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:41.360 It's and and you'll work through it and find somebody. 00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:46.159 Like I I never thought at that point I'd be like, yeah, I am dating this 22-year-old girl. 00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:48.320 And it's like, what the fuck are you doing? 00:44:48.559 --> 00:44:53.199 And now I'm here with this life room, like I have the most beautiful thing in the world. 00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:55.760 And then so yeah. 00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:56.719 Oh yeah. 00:44:56.960 --> 00:45:03.119 With peptides growing substantially in the last couple months now, and honestly, we could list out a long list of all the peptides that have helped us. 00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:07.360 You guys have heard these peptides and these research chems in the podcast maybe a million times. 00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:21.679 Peptides I've used from APRs such as BPC 157 and TP500 for soft tissue healing, freditrutide, and other GLPs, mitochondrial support such as SS31, MOTC, FIME01 and Q, methylene blue, SLU. 00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:23.280 There's a bunch of others. 00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:25.039 Obviously, the list goes on and on. 00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:40.800 One of my favorite things, though, that I've been utilizing, such as during my last prep, that has allowed my blood work to come basically pristine, aside from slightly elevated liver enzymes at about 60 and 130, one week after the show, and this is after a leg day because my dumbass doesn't want to skip a training day. 00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:43.440 These are probably the things that I think are the most important. 00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:54.960 So this includes like your injectable glutathione, injectable, or even just normal NAC, liposuble glutathione, GI aids such as oral BBC, oral TB, uh, KPV. 00:45:55.360 --> 00:46:09.679 A lot of these things have probably been very substantial in uh reducing oxidative stress and keeping all my blood micers down, and thus keeping me as basically health fee as fucking possible that you can be while you're bodybuilding. 00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:24.239 So I couldn't be more thankful to Mike for literally showing me the ropes and also providing me with all of these things, even the compounded supplements that he creates for blood pressure and reducing oxidative stress on all your organs, including your cardiovascular system, your liver, and your kidneys. 00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:28.000 All of these that he creates have been very substantial, honestly. 00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:41.599 So you can find any of these at his site, APRHealth Solutions.com, and he has offered me a code, code NILE, for you guys to use, which will offer you a 15% discount off of all of that as well, since he knows that the codes are a little bit just for the homies, you know. 00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:44.800 If you guys end up using those and you like him, please let me know. 00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:50.320 Shoot in a comment, just give me a DM or something, and if you ever have any problems or any questions, I'll be here too. 00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:54.480 This is a community for me, even though I don't have a fucking disco because I'm lazy shit, but I fucking should make one. 00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:59.039 So love you guys and um keep training hard. 00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:08.719 Um, one of the things you said earlier too really resonated with me because it's it's funny, just recently I uh I met a friend that uh has such an amazing mindset. 00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:10.159 Um, shout out to Janea. 00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:20.960 Um, and I think the way that she words the things that you and I both say is is so powerful, especially from like a woman's perspective. 00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:35.280 It's cool to hear it from a woman's perspective, um, of like she was always at at one point in her life, after all the crazy shit she's been through, she was always searching for a healing. 00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:38.079 Like she always wanted to like heal this trauma. 00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:50.239 Uh and I think she got to a point where she realized that by consistently feeling like she had healing to do, she subconsciously implanted in her mind that there was always something wrong with her. 00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:58.000 And it wasn't until she realized, like, okay, these feelings come and go, and we process these feelings, but then it's time to move. 00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:02.639 And like the way that she uses in phrases with the word move. 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:05.039 And that changes. 00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:06.880 That changes over time. 00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:11.119 And you get somewhere powerful and very beautiful. 00:48:11.599 --> 00:48:19.440 And I think in those moments is when if you're confused or if you're a little bit lost, the decisions kind of just come to you. 00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:20.480 You know? 00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:28.400 It's like the things just kind of just fall into place, even if you didn't have to you didn't really have to think about it so

crazy, you know? 00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:29.679 They just kind of fall into place. 00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:30.960 They do move. 00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:33.920 Yeah, and and and it it yes. 00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:36.320 And you have to be okay with that. 00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:47.199 Like it's it's some cause sometimes like holding on to those old feelings, like I was saying, like it's okay to be depressed, it's okay to feel those negative feelings, like feel them, but just know you can't stay there. 00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:51.039 Like, don't get stuck because you'll get stuck and then you won't move in that same way. 00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:52.079 Right, exactly. 00:48:52.320 --> 00:49:00.639 But it's like because it's uh, but you you need to, and you know, the the the more you put yourself out there and just try new things, you keep moving in a sense. 00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:02.320 Like that's a great way to put it. 00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:02.719 Yeah. 00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:05.599 And but it's it's also scary as fuck. 00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:10.159 That's why someone's probably that's why people get stuck, because it's scary. 00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:14.800 There's another uh uh a clip from uh a podcast with uh Chris Williams. 00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:17.840 Chris Williamson on his Modern Wasn't podcast. 00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:35.280 Um there's a professor stating, and um I think it's applicable to really a lot of really tough situations, but he was specifying it when it's something like a breakup, where there's like three things that are uh very important to do when you're moving through this phase. 00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:44.320 One of them is to uh one of them is to focus on the reasons that it happened, not on continuously on the good memories. 00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:52.559 The second thing is to have fun, which I think uh can be included in just move, you know? 00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:54.400 Just get out of the house, do shit. 00:49:54.800 --> 00:50:13.760 And then the third thing, which is uh somewhat contradictory to the first, but I think perfectly explains or I think you perfectly explain it when you're saying you feel it and then you move forward, is listening to sad music is actually very powerful because it helps you understand your emotions. 00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:14.400 Yeah. 00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:16.320 But then that's not a place you stay. 00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:20.400 You process those, you feel them, they're gone, and then you move on. 00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:25.280 And I think yeah, you you all all are very true. 00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:26.400 Yes. 00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:40.880 And and it's I uh I today it's it's so weird because there's so much information out there of like if you do something like that, you're a little bit of a pussy. 00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:42.159 And it's like no no no no no no. 00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:45.440 Like I am one hardcore intense motherfucker. 00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:47.920 Like when push comes to shove them, very

intense. 00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:53.599 However, at the same time, like when you're in a spot, you need to feel those feelings. 00:50:53.920 --> 00:51:04.880 You have to try try do don't just bury them super deep down and never let them out, because then you're gonna start becoming something that you're not supposed to be. 00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:06.400 Like you shouldn't do that. 00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:13.039 Like that's where that's where like this this crazy, hateful, spiteful, crazy, nasty energy comes from. 00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:16.239 Because you literally created it within yourself. 00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:27.360 It's it's so I I yeah, I'd say that the that the feeling your emotions, because what that's what we we're we're emotional people. 00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:28.159 You know what I mean? 00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:42.239 Like we as human beings are uh think of think of I've been saying this a lot because I've been working on it for the past probably eight months to a year, um, like my personal energy. 00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:51.840 I'm very important in my life, as you as are you, especially as men. 00:51:52.079 --> 00:52:06.480 If you are a masculine man in life and you are uh in a relationship, it's just natural in a relationship for the man to be more masculine and to take more of a leadership role in a relationship. 00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:15.840 If I am a negative cocksucking prick when I come home from work, I'm probably the the energy in my house is probably gonna dip down. 00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:19.280 Whenever I come in with that energy, it's gonna dip down. 00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:27.679 Whenever I'm at work, if I'm in a negative, intense fuck you mood at work, they're probably gonna be a little standoffish towards me. 00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:31.519 They're gonna be like, fuck, sets here, this is gonna happen, it's not gonna be good. 00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:33.840 He's in a pissed-off mood, da-da-da-da-da-da. 00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:36.400 Yeah, I'm controlling all of it. 00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:44.000 Whether the things that I say are positive or negative, that energy is gonna trump the things that are coming out of my mouth. 00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:52.800 If I have this fuck you look on my face and just kind of stare at my kids, they know it's not me being happy for them. 00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:56.079 It's just it's an energy that you can give off. 00:52:56.320 --> 00:53:07.119 So that's why I've been talking a lot about making sure that you are understanding of all those things because that energy that you allude is going to be what is gonna come from it. 00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:14.320 And the more I take whenever I have a bad day or an intense day at work, I'm like, this is a shitty fucking day. 00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:24.320 I'm on my way home, and then I'm like, before you walk in that door, you get your shit straight because they don't need all your bullshit from work to come in there. 00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:30.559 And then it's come

in, it's like, all right, Seth, the everybody is gonna be so excited to see you when you walk in that door. 00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:33.119 Be excited. 00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:34.000 It's really hard. 00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:35.119 Don't give a fuck, Seth. 00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:36.320 Get your shit together. 00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:38.000 So I walk in the door. 00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:40.079 Hey everybody, their dad's home. 00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:41.280 Hey, babe, how are you? 00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:41.679 All this. 00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:42.320 I'm like, good. 00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:46.000 It was it was it was an intense day, but I'm glad to be home. 00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:48.320 Energy is completely different. 00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:52.239 And then she's gonna be like, hey, okay, do you need anything? 00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:54.719 Back rub later would be great, babe. 00:53:55.920 --> 00:54:04.480 Now she's gonna look at me and be like, fuck, you had a bad day, and you looked at me and said, How I can help you by just giving you a back rub, scratch my back. 00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:06.880 It's been a hell of a day and it'll be great. 00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:12.800 It is now she feels a value in a very bad time, a very rough day I've had. 00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:20.480 And if the same thing would go if she transfers the same energy of her having a rough day, and I was like, Ooh, you having a bad day, babe? 00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:21.519 It's not the best. 00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:24.079 I was like, is there anything I can do for you? 00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:27.039 Yes, I'd love a foot rub later. 00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:28.639 Foot rub later then. 00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:32.639 Now in my head, I'm like, Seth, you will rub those motherfucking feet later. 00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:34.960 Don't fall asleep at 9:30 on the couch. 00:54:35.119 --> 00:54:37.280 Whenever she sits down, grab those feet. 00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:46.639 It's such simple little things, but that energy is what I've been working on the most in my life, and it has literally transformed my household. 00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:55.679 And the it goes to, you know, this uh I don't know how to say it, but the fruit fruit concept of energies. 00:54:55.840 --> 00:55:05.119 I am a firm fucking believer in it because once I adopted the principles in my house, my house in my life has drastically gotten better. 00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:08.159 I fucking love that, man. 00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:08.800 Yeah. 00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:10.320 The back crowb. 00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:10.800 Let's go. 00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:20.320 It's it's again, like if you have a bad day, there's nothing like your woman giving you a back scrap, loving you giving you sweet ovens, and you're like, man, I'm good. 00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:21.199 This is okay. 00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:22.079 Work's just work. 00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:23.039 I can get through anything. 00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:23.679 Yeah. 00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:26.960 A little bit about

something that we discussed. 00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:52.719 Uh like we were discussing hormones and how powerful your health inside and your hormone balance, and even any neurological or hormonal changes due to drugs, medications can cause that are honestly, I think, very undervalued because, dude, like sometimes the shit can literally change who you are. 00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:57.440 Uh that's one of the reasons why I started this podcast in the first place, man. 00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:06.960 Um, I started gear like not knowing what I was doing, and um I definitely went through a whirlwind of mental and emotional roller coasters through it. 00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:24.719 And I know a lot of people that have been through the same, and I know a lot of women who have told me a lot of the things that they've gone through, whether or not it was from anabolics or SSRIs or birth control, which surprisingly for some tends to be the craziest roller coaster. 00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:28.239 Uh that's why I like talking about this shit, man. 00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:33.039 And um, it's also why it's really cool to talk about one of the pioneers in the space. 00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:45.360 But um, yeah, I want to ask uh what was the first memory that comes to your mind when you think bodybuilding for your training? 00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:56.400 Uh the first thing that pops in my head whenever I think of like the bodybuilding aspect is I immediately go to when I was like probably 16, 17 years old. 00:56:56.559 --> 00:57:06.960 Uh before I got into gear or anything like that, it was just the training side of things of uh I would do there was a good friend of mine, Joe Trapani. 00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:11.679 Um he taught me how to do crazy drop sets on leg presses. 00:57:11.840 --> 00:57:15.519 Like we'd just build up pyramid up and weight the whole time on leg presses. 00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:21.920 We'd do like 10 sets, and then once we got up to the top weight and stacked it out, it'd be time for the drop set. 00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:24.960 And then we'd just do a fucking crazy strip set. 00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:33.039 And uh, you know, I was 16, 17 years old, and I was just Joe was like, he's like, we're gonna do this, and your fucking quads are gonna be huge, dude. 00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:34.239 They're gonna be huge. 00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:36.559 And I'm like, fuck yeah, I love it. 00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:44.159 And that that memory, and I still, dude, I say that leg presses built my legs because of that concept. 00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:47.920 And he would always teach me about where I placing your feet plays a different role. 00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:59.519 It hits, you know, your feet go down more, you get more of the your quads, and it takes out, you know, some of your glutes and your hamstrings, and your feet go higher on the platform, you know, you start feeling it more in your glutes and your hamstrings than you would if you put your feet lower. 00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:00.880 And I'm like, yeah. 00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:06.320 That time period is like training with him and just learning. 00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:25.280 I loved it because he knew I wanted to be a bodybuilder, and he loved bodybuilding, and it was just cool to experience all that and and fucking be young and kind of stupid because today, like, I don't know, like everybody's always trying to be so optimal and so perfect, and I'm like, dude, fuck it. 00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:26.800 Just go have fun in the gym. 00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:28.880 Just go, just experience it all. 00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:44.880 It's cool that you know you're you're going through all these things, but if it doesn't work, if what your your if that science, what they're saying, or this certain workout doesn't work for you and it said it was supposed to, that's okay. 00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:46.159 It just didn't work for you. 00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:48.400 It might have worked for 90% of the other people. 00:58:48.559 --> 00:58:51.360 Go find something else to do, go do something else cool. 00:58:51.599 --> 00:59:01.440 And but the that that time period was just an awesome learning experience, and it built a lot of my mentality of just crazy meathead shit, if you will. 00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:02.159 Fire. 00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:03.519 Yeah, I loved it. 00:59:03.679 --> 00:59:05.119 Those are the greatest memories, man. 00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:09.360 When we're doing that shit in high school and college, all the drop sets, bro. 00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:10.480 Yeah, dude, just crazy. 00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:16.320 I still I still do them, and I'm like, it worked because I'm like, look at me, I'm fucking swollen, I'm super round and full. 00:59:16.559 --> 00:59:23.840 Because he would always be like, uh, we and as we were training, uh like that was the first gym bro I really hung out with. 00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:29.920 Because we'd be trained, he's like, hey, he's like, you're pretty strong, but you look pretty cool. 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:31.280 Like your your physique's grown. 00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:36.000 He's like, would you rather look like this is when Sean Ray was the fucking shit, you know? 00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:41.119 He's like, would you rather look like Sean Ray and be weak as fuck? 00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:46.239 Or would you rather look like that guy and be the strongest person on the planet? 00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:50.559 And the guy over there is just some fucking like regular looking Joe after work. 00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:51.519 It's four o'clock. 00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:55.199 And I'm like, I was like, this is it was just always a good time. 00:59:55.360 --> 00:59:57.679 Uh Joe was awesome. 00:59:57.920 --> 00:59:58.880 It was just so much fun. 00:59:58.960 --> 01:00:01.920 Like Jim Bro asking stupid questions, just being meatheads. 01:00:02.079 --> 01:00:02.400 Yeah. 01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:04.000 I haven't seen him in years. 01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:04.559 Fuck. 01:00:04.800

--> 01:00:06.320 Do you remember those fucking 21s? 01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:08.559 Like I look back at those and I'm like, what the fuck was the point of that? 01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:10.719 But it was just just to work hard, dude. 01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:11.760 Just to push yourself. 01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:13.119 Yeah, dude, 21s. 01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:15.760 I mean, that's Joe was who I did 21s with. 01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:21.039 Like he we'd get a fucking, you know, a 50 pound, uh, 50 pound easy bar and go back and forth. 01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:23.519 Do 21s come back my way. 01:00:23.679 --> 01:00:24.800 Dude, that was the shit. 01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:25.760 Yeah, dude. 01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:26.320 For real. 01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:28.320 Oh, a pump, dude. 01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:29.360 It was sick. 01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:32.559 Do you feel like your training has changed immensely since then? 01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:33.440 Oh, yeah. 01:00:33.599 --> 01:00:33.920 Yeah. 01:00:34.159 --> 01:00:37.760 I still do, I still do some of that old school dumb shit. 01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:41.039 Um, that it's just much more controlled. 01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:47.599 Uh, like it if I do, you know, uh I'm getting all these, I'm getting all the science down. 01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:49.199 I talked to Jared Feather, dude. 01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:50.960 I'm getting a whole lot more down. 01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:54.719 You know, there's certain points whenever you need to have full range of motion. 01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:57.760 Uh, there's certain, there's things for length and partials. 01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:01.440 Um the drop sets do, you know, drop sets have their place. 01:01:01.519 --> 01:01:03.599 All these intensifiers do have their place. 01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:08.559 Because in bodybuilding, I am a firm believer in sculpting a physique. 01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:12.880 Uh, because it I believe that training is an art form. 01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:16.960 And what makes an art form beautiful is the individuality of it all. 01:01:17.199 --> 01:01:22.880 So when it comes to training, I do not think that there can only be one brush being used. 01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:32.559 Because if you if it is truly an art form and you are a sculpture and you're the sculptor of your own physique, you need multiple tools and you need to know when to use them, how to use them. 01:01:32.800 --> 01:01:36.800 Um, and it's things that work for me might not work for you. 01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:39.039 Things that work for you might not work for me. 01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:45.199 And I I I like keeping an open mind with all different styles of training, even if it is a science-based. 01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:46.159 I'm like, fuck yeah. 01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:49.440 Some of the things that I do, Jared explained to me, that are. 01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:51.360 He's like, that's a science-based thing. 01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:52.159 I'm like, fuck you. 01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:53.039 No, it's not. 01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:55.679 He's like, there's a name for that. 01:01:55.760 --> 01:01:59.599 I'm like, I don't like that there's a fucking name for that because I thought my idea. 01:01:59.920 --> 01:02:12.400 Um, but it's it's that's where I believe, like, uh, like even partial reps, uh, partial reps, the negatives, there has they're all great intensifiers, and you have to know when to use them. 01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:14.880 And that takes so much fucking time in the gym. 01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:19.199 Like, whenever you're doing, you know, we just I just did an arm workout with Ty yesterday. 01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:30.000 It's like there's times when it's it's good to be doing length and partials, and in the same set, you're doing length and partials, you could end up finishing with a couple full range of motion and negatives. 01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:41.280 Like that's part of that advanced to elite level of training that you'll get to of knowing when and how to use certain types of reps, certain types of sets, certain styles of training. 01:02:41.519 --> 01:02:52.000 Um, and today, you know, so many people are so black and white with things that it's it's gets frustrating because I'm like, fuck, dude, just supposed to be fun. 01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:54.719 You're supposed to train and just experience it all. 01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:55.679 Fuck it. 01:02:55.920 --> 01:02:56.239 Right. 01:02:56.960 --> 01:03:04.559 I mean, even if you're a science baselifter, the science says that when it comes to hypertrophy, bro, there's so many different ways. 01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:06.239 There's not one way to skin a cat. 01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:12.000 It's it's different for powerlifting, but like when it comes to hypertrophy, bro, like, dude, there's so much different shit that you can do with us. 01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:14.159 It reacts differently for each person. 01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:17.039 Yeah, and that's what was cool with training with Jared. 01:03:17.199 --> 01:03:21.119 And he's like, he's like, I was like, what's the RP way and all that? 01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:23.519 And he's like, it's actually we're just giving you information. 01:03:23.679 --> 01:03:24.639 I'm like, fuck. 01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:27.280 That's a Jared way of saying shit. 01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:28.480 God damn it. 01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:36.559 So, but it's uh, but no, I again that's the I that's what whenever I think of bodybuilding, I think of training. 01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:48.719 I think of that that building and sculpting a physique in the gym that you just spend hours and hours in there of figuring out your body, and I don't know, just I I love it. 01:03:48.800 --> 01:03:50.880 I think it's I think it's the coolest thing in the world. 01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:51.280 I do. 01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:53.119 I'm the yeah, I'm the same way, man. 01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:57.519 I've told people this before, but uh training honestly, in my opinion, saved my life. 01:03:57.679 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01:03:59.760 And that's how it all started for me, too. 01:03:59.920 --> 01:04:04.960 Was me finding a place that I actually had something I was passionate about to grow in too. 01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:08.960 And dude, it just gave me like a reason, you know what I mean? 01:04:09.199 --> 01:04:10.000 Oh yeah, dude. 01:04:10.079 --> 01:04:13.199 I if if I don't if I don't train, dude, I find trouble. 01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:15.760 That's that degenerate side of me that I brought up. 01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:24.320 Like, I I try and fucking suppress the degenerate side of me so much because I love fucking fresh beers and I love smoking cigarettes. 01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:33.360 I love certain things in my life that I'm like, man, I was like, if I do not push to keep myself in good physical shape, I kind of just I'll drift away. 01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:33.920 Yeah. 01:04:34.159 --> 01:04:37.119 And then I'll be like, how the fuck, how the fuck did you drift over there? 01:04:37.199 --> 01:04:38.239 You're like, you're like Mr. 01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:39.760 Fucking Functional, dude. 01:04:39.920 --> 01:04:45.679 You're over here doing a hundred burpees, and then you're over here being like, Man, I just want to fucking rip SIGs and fuck off. 01:04:47.440 --> 01:04:50.400 You're 41, Seth, you can't be doing that shit no more. 01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:51.760 Yeah, man. 01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:56.159 I mean, I think I'd be like an actual serious drug addict if I didn't have training. 01:04:56.320 --> 01:05:07.760 Like, I still get such a high from training every day that like it's hard for me to like today was supposed to be a rest day, but right before we got into this podcast, I did some fucking ab rollers, which is why I was smashing a rice crispy right before our podcast. 01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:09.920 Yeah, I just I just fucking had to, man. 01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:10.480 I just had to. 01:05:10.639 --> 01:05:12.480 I I I I love it. 01:05:12.559 --> 01:05:16.960 And the fact that my kids are into it and my family, I'm like, fuck yeah, I just like training and having fun. 01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:19.519 And yeah. 01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:20.639 Yeah. 01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:29.920 I do and I think the reason that I have such a problem with some of the science shit is because I've always had a uh I've always had a problem with authority. 01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:31.440 Always. 01:05:31.760 --> 01:05:34.079 Just fucking, it does something to me. 01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:39.679 Even, I mean, now I'm kind of like a uh kind of like a fuck it, like I don't really care about too much. 01:05:39.840 --> 01:05:44.159 But like from an authoritative standpoint, as a youngster, I have always had issues with it. 01:05:44.320 --> 01:05:54.480 So like that's why whenever I hear the science and like do it this way, and I'm like, my um my immediate reaction to somebody telling me how to do something is fuck you. 01:05:56.239 --> 01:05:59.760 So when I hear something, this is the pro this

is the proper way to do it, I'm like. 01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:00.960 No. 01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:02.960 It's just immediately. 01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:04.480 It's the same thing with the government. 01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:07.840 When the government's telling you something, it's immediately like, fuck you. 01:06:08.159 --> 01:06:10.079 No, you're an asshole. 01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:17.119 And uh, but yeah, that's that's that's probably the you know, and then talking to Jared, I'm like, ah, fuck, you're really cool. 01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:18.960 I was like, it sucks. 01:06:22.400 --> 01:06:44.159 Speaking of that, um, there's something that I loved you talking about uh on one of your first podcasts, I think, with Fuad, is um I started thinking about this because you're talking about authority, but I remember you mentioning that uh you were seeing dosages that you see younger guys, even like middle-aged guys, starting off the bat, just crazy, like shocking you, you know. 01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:52.880 Yeah, people uh I so I am always a proponent of getting as much as you can from as little as possible. 01:06:53.440 --> 01:07:02.639 Like I've done some really crazy shit, but you know, if you're not like at the caliber that I was, then you you're not relative to that conversation. 01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:03.519 You know what I mean? 01:07:03.679 --> 01:07:04.239 Yeah, yeah. 01:07:04.400 --> 01:07:10.639 Like, motherfucker, you can't just go jam 20, 1200 megs of 1200 megs of test a week and be like, uh, Seth did it. 01:07:10.719 --> 01:07:14.079 It's like, dude, I built into that for years. 01:07:14.239 --> 01:07:14.400 Right. 01:07:14.719 --> 01:07:16.639 Years it took me to get to that point. 01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:20.079 You can't just start eating three Enadral a day and saying I'm gonna look like Seth. 01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:21.280 It's like, no, no, no, no, no. 01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:25.440 That was a bad idea for Seth to do, even at the caliber that he was at. 01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:38.320 You you like whenever you're five foot six, two hundred and thirty-five pounds, and you're like in really good shape, and you're running 700 MIGs a trend a week, like 100 megs a day. 01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:45.360 You're gonna, I'm going to attain a fucking look that is going to be much different than you at 190 pounds. 01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:46.239 You know what I mean? 01:07:46.400 --> 01:07:48.880 Like it's it's all relative. 01:07:49.039 --> 01:07:49.280 Yeah. 01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:56.960 And it's like you, you, you know, I uh and some of these people that are that I was saying about doing these crazy dosages, I'm like, guys, you're not at that caliber. 01:07:57.280 --> 01:07:59.440 You can't, you can't just jump. 01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:02.400 You get as much as you can from as little as possible. 01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:14.639 Yeah, and then people are like, and then whenever you hear like people, the some of the dosages that I would uh that I take now, or some

of the dosages that these top professionals are taking, they're like, that's a fucking lie. 01:08:14.800 --> 01:08:15.920 There's no way that guy is. 01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:17.039 And it's like, no, no, no, no. 01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:26.720 He was building tissue, taking 1,500 megs of test, a thousand migs of primo, a thousand migs of mast, a thousand migs of this and that. 01:08:26.880 --> 01:08:33.119 And it's like, now he's on a much lower dose because that's all the dose that he needs to take to sustain that muscle. 01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:37.119 It's not the same as building the tissue, it's completely different. 01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:38.159 It has changed. 01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:45.359 So, I mean, because I can even attest to it that right now, fuck, I still can't believe that I'm I hold the mass that I do. 01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:49.680 And I'm like, maybe this is just like how I hold this size. 01:08:49.840 --> 01:08:51.600 Like, this is just where I am. 01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:57.199 Because in order for me to get under 210 pounds, it takes a lot of fucking work. 01:08:57.359 --> 01:09:00.720 And I have to eat way less than I want to, and I don't want to do that. 01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:05.600 So I'm I just kind of hang out in this like 210 to 215 range. 01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:09.920 It's like just so, and in the summertime, I'm probably gonna get down to like 205. 01:09:10.239 --> 01:09:15.439 I'd like to be under 200 pounds, but at the same time, that's not me. 01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:29.760 I don't like right now, I'm like 215, and uh I woke up this morning at like 214.6, and uh I was like, okay, Seth, you can't you you if you let yourself go for a weekend of eating, you're gonna be 220. 01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:31.119 Can't have that shit, bud. 01:09:32.239 --> 01:09:41.520 But uh the the dosage thing, it's uh I think that the thing that don't do dumb shit. 01:09:42.239 --> 01:09:58.319 That's like just the the most that's the one thing I could say to these young kids, and it's like you can do like you can dabble, but like don't do what Seth Ferrusi was doing at his peak, and this is your third cycle. 01:09:58.880 --> 01:10:00.000 That's a bad idea. 01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:01.279 You're not there yet. 01:10:01.600 --> 01:10:06.880 Beginners are a beginner for the first two to three years of training. 01:10:07.119 --> 01:10:07.760 You know what I mean? 01:10:07.840 --> 01:10:10.239 At two years of training, you're still a beginner, dude. 01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:12.399 Three years of training, you're still a beginner. 01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:15.039 Beginner, beginner intermediate. 01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:19.920 You're not an intermediate uh trainer until maybe five, six years in. 01:10:20.159 --> 01:10:37.920 Like to have that level of advanced understanding of training, you need a decade under your belt of trialing a bunch of different styles, living in the gym and just hours and hours of consistent training to understand your body, to understand when to do a partial repetition, when to do, you know, this style or that. 01:10:38.079 --> 01:10:42.640 Try powerlifting, go do a powerlifting program and see how you respond to it. 01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:45.520 You need to understand all that, but yeah. 01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:46.479 Yeah. 01:10:46.800 --> 01:10:47.119 Yeah. 01:10:47.199 --> 01:10:52.239 Um, one of the one of the things, one of the ways that I love guys that have been on the podcast, like Dr. 01:10:52.399 --> 01:11:03.039 Dean explain it too in like their science way, is um like, you know, your your androgen receptors upregulate with how much the longer you take gear and as you get bigger. 01:11:03.439 --> 01:11:11.119 And if you're taking that same amount when you're bigger, back when you were smaller, you're not gonna have as many androgen receptors for that to attach to. 01:11:11.199 --> 01:11:16.079 You're gonna have spillover into your hair, to your skin, and to your side effects. 01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:23.760 And that's where you get guys that are just like not that big, and then you see them at the gym, and you're like, fuck you, that that kind of looks like shit. 01:11:24.159 --> 01:11:24.560 Yeah. 01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:26.800 And we all see, yeah. 01:11:27.199 --> 01:11:38.079 We see it in at a at the same time, you know, whenever you start seeing you, whenever you can visually see the negative sides on someone from gear, you're like, hey, bud. 01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:41.520 I will say it. 01:11:41.600 --> 01:11:44.800 I'll be like, hey, you need to pull back on the shit, bud. 01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:46.720 You you need to cut it out, okay? 01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:48.000 I've been there, I know what you're doing. 01:11:48.079 --> 01:11:50.319 Don't, it's not fucking, you're fucking yourself up. 01:11:50.399 --> 01:11:51.279 You're being dumb. 01:11:51.439 --> 01:11:52.640 That's dumb shit. 01:11:52.880 --> 01:12:00.079 Whenever you have all these the crazy acne, it's like, all right, you are eating like complete shit. 01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:03.279 It's seeping, it's seeping through. 01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:06.560 Or you're just responding in a very bad way that you should stop. 01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:07.600 But it's your body. 01:12:07.760 --> 01:12:08.960 You do whatever the fuck you want. 01:12:09.119 --> 01:12:13.520 I'm just telling you, can't cry whenever the bad shit happens. 01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:14.960 Don't cry about it. 01:12:15.199 --> 01:12:15.840 Yeah. 01:12:16.239 --> 01:12:18.159 Not being authoritative or anything. 01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:23.520 Yeah, no some advice, but I'm it's your fucking life, dude. 01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:24.800 I like that's the thing. 01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:27.279 Whenever it comes to gear, like it's awesome. 01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:29.439 It's the fucking coolest thing in the world. 01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:33.760 Like, the first time I took steroids, I was like, this is fucking awesome. 01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:34.960 I

really like this. 01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:44.960 Like, if you're in the gym training a lot and you love it, and then you take something that makes it cooler, that's the dangerous part. 01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:47.920 The dangerous part is you're falling in love with it. 01:12:48.479 --> 01:12:51.119 Like, this is the coolest shit in the world. 01:12:51.920 --> 01:12:53.920 And then there's a bunch of drugs I never tried. 01:12:54.000 --> 01:12:55.600 I can't wait to try them. 01:12:56.880 --> 01:12:59.119 That's that's all right, gotta be careful. 01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:02.079 Um, but yeah, yeah. 01:13:02.560 --> 01:13:05.520 Yeah, we've all been there, and they're yeah, fuck. 01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:07.199 And that's what we started off by saying. 01:13:07.279 --> 01:13:09.039 That's why I'm like, I'm good on the Retta. 01:13:09.680 --> 01:13:10.319 Yeah. 01:13:11.439 --> 01:13:11.840 Nope. 01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:12.720 Good. 01:13:13.119 --> 01:13:18.880 If you could go back in time, would you change anything in your first couple cycles? 01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:24.239 So I don't want to be one of those like, I don't live with any regrets. 01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:28.399 All right, it's I'm I'm very happy with where I am in my life. 01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:32.960 Um, I've had to work through like my blood work because it did look like shit for a little bit. 01:13:33.119 --> 01:13:46.000 And that's why, you know, I do the functional training and and on top of everything, because taking all those high androgens, the the the high amounts of fucking test decad anadraw, bro, my blood pressure went through the roof. 01:13:46.239 --> 01:13:49.039 It was something, and unfortunately, my kidneys aren't damaged. 01:13:49.119 --> 01:13:55.439 I don't have any issues with my kidneys, but blood pressure is always something that I've had to keep an eye on, which I have under control. 01:13:55.600 --> 01:13:56.880 I'm like, fuck yeah, that's awesome. 01:13:56.960 --> 01:13:58.079 It just took time. 01:13:58.640 --> 01:14:07.840 Um and that's that's like the only thing I'd probably say that uh like Ty, I trained uh young Ty. 01:14:08.319 --> 01:14:16.159 Uh he's in some of my YouTube videos and he works, he's in our customer service, and uh he does some training himself and he wants to be a pro bodybuilder. 01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:20.720 So whenever we were working, I've worked closely with him for probably about 14 months now. 01:14:21.359 --> 01:14:25.840 And I was like, I was like, hey, I was like, I want to run an experiment with you. 01:14:26.159 --> 01:14:28.960 I was like, I want to push the limits. 01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:30.239 Obviously, we have to. 01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:35.039 He wants to be an open bodybuilder, he's five nine, got him up to 270 in good shape. 01:14:35.439 --> 01:14:46.079 But it was like, I want to remove the things that I would remove if I did this again, where I would push more and where I would pull back. 01:14:46.399 --> 01:14:50.640 So

I was like, I don't think we push many ordals at all. 01:14:50.960 --> 01:14:54.880 Like if we use D ball or anadrol, we use them as a tool. 01:14:55.119 --> 01:15:00.239 We don't use them as a staple in the in the program for like four weeks, we're gonna eat anadrils. 01:15:00.479 --> 01:15:01.199 No, no, no, no, no. 01:15:01.520 --> 01:15:13.279 We're gonna use them sparingly, where we can utilize it as a tool for X amount of time and really use the anecdotal uh experiences that you have as the feedback. 01:15:13.439 --> 01:15:15.039 Because is Anadrol gonna work? 01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:19.439 Yes, it's gonna work, but to what degree do we want it to work? 01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:23.279 How do we want to utilize it as a tool in the toolbox that we have? 01:15:23.520 --> 01:15:34.720 And that's where we were able to push with uh we were able to push with other drugs like the primo or masteron or insulin over prioritizing that over any of the orals. 01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:41.760 And it turned out like, I mean, all his markers, everything's been great, all of his blood work, and I'm like, fuck, dude. 01:15:41.920 --> 01:15:54.479 I was like, this is this is actually so much better using certain these drugs and then taking out some of the others because yeah, some of the cycles that I've seen from other people, like people in the off season. 01:15:54.560 --> 01:15:57.439 I've seen people in an off-season eat eating halo testin. 01:15:57.600 --> 01:16:01.600 Oh yeah, I was like, hey, that's like you shouldn't be eating halos. 01:16:01.760 --> 01:16:04.319 You should not you don't need 20 milligrams of halo testin' right now. 01:16:04.399 --> 01:16:05.680 That's a fucking bad idea. 01:16:05.920 --> 01:16:07.520 Like bodybuilders, not powerlifters. 01:16:07.840 --> 01:16:08.319 That's what I mean. 01:16:08.399 --> 01:16:09.920 I'm like, you're a bodybuilder in the off season. 01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:11.600 What the fuck are you eating halos for? 01:16:11.840 --> 01:16:13.680 Like this is murdering your body. 01:16:14.560 --> 01:16:17.119 Halo testin' it's in the toolbox. 01:16:17.279 --> 01:16:20.319 Keep it in the toolbox when you need it, and we take it. 01:16:20.479 --> 01:16:31.840 It's just it's it's like everything, and and I'm I'm really happy with how things work, but that's like that, because the orals, I love them, and they were great. 01:16:32.079 --> 01:16:36.159 I love I I'm I've see my thing was I love Superman drugs. 01:16:36.399 --> 01:16:41.119 Anything that made me feel like Superman, Seth loved cocaine steroids. 01:16:45.520 --> 01:16:53.840 Uh I uh I I kind of just want to have this discussion just simply because I had the same discussion with Fuat and Ian. 01:16:54.079 --> 01:16:54.239 Okay. 01:16:54.479 --> 01:16:56.479 So I feel like I just gotta deal with all the brochat guys. 01:16:56.640 --> 01:16:56.880 Yeah. 01:16:57.119 --> 01:17:03.119 But um Fu Odd and I had a little bit debate, a little bit of a debate about it, but I think we came to the same conclusion. 01:17:03.199 --> 01:17:05.760 And then Ian and I did come to the same conclusion. 01:17:06.079 --> 01:17:22.560 But the reason I brought it up is because there is uh there was a percentage of people uh in the bodybuilding industry that just kept claiming that like top pros are taking five plus grams, five to ten grams of gear. 01:17:22.880 --> 01:17:31.359 And I think I think now because of this podcast and a lot of other podcasts, people are realizing like that's not that's not the situation. 01:17:31.520 --> 01:17:40.000 Like there are people that have done that, but it's not it's not an average, you know, like it's not like all these open pros are taking 10 grams of fucking gear, dude. 01:17:40.479 --> 01:17:42.560 It's not, and you shouldn't do that either. 01:17:42.880 --> 01:18:00.239 So um I was wondering what you think about Fuad saying that he feels like there's a sweet spot for everybody, and where you think that sweet spot lies for an open pro in terms of like I I guess we could just say like just test alone, because I think that's what we were talking talking about. 01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:09.760 Yeah, no, I mean listen, so uh this is a little bit of insight into the industry, and I'm sure he doesn't mind me saying it now, and I don't even know if it'll ever get to him. 01:18:09.840 --> 01:18:19.920 But Kai Green, back in like 2008, 2009, 2010, bro, that dude was running more gear than anyone has ever heard of. 01:18:20.079 --> 01:18:20.399 Okay. 01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:39.520 I don't know the exact dosages, anything like it, but when you have the entire industry behind the scenes saying, like, hey, this motherfucker's pushing it, and it was uh from what I heard, it was around that six, six, seven, okay, and that's hearsay. 01:18:39.840 --> 01:18:43.680 But that was the the the most that I heard anybody talking about. 01:18:43.920 --> 01:18:53.840 So when people talk about like pushing the limits and things like that, Kai was doing it and he was scaring every he was scaring everybody in the industry. 01:18:54.159 --> 01:19:00.560 Like everybody in the industry was freaking out about hearing the numbers, and that was like around the numbers that I was hearing. 01:19:00.720 --> 01:19:04.960 So if that was that, like nobody's pushing this 10 gram thing. 01:19:05.279 --> 01:19:05.840 Five? 01:19:06.239 --> 01:19:08.479 Yeah, some people pushed five. 01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:14.880 But most of the time, like big open cloud, open bodybuilders aren't complete fucking morons. 01:19:15.359 --> 01:19:20.960 They find the sweet spot, but in order to find the sweet spot, you got to push the limits. 01:19:21.359 --> 01:19:25.520 And they might push the limits of, you know, five grams, like five grams of gear. 01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:29.520 Yeah, there's guys out there banging two grams of test a week for sure. 01:19:29.760 --> 01:19:31.520 That's that that's that's for sure. 01:19:31.600 --> 01:19:33.199 There are

guys out there that are doing that. 01:19:33.359 --> 01:19:43.439 I pushed 1500 MIGs, uh, and it was only for a short period of time because whenever I took 1500 MIGs a test, all I did was notice a bunch of shitty sides. 01:19:43.680 --> 01:19:49.439 Like I just know it became like uh all of a sudden I started getting really oily skin. 01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:52.720 Uh the zits started showing up, and there was no increase in performance. 01:19:52.800 --> 01:19:54.960 So I was like, Seth, you're going back down. 01:19:55.279 --> 01:20:05.359 But um, like, so whenever people talk about like, you know, like people doing these, I'm like, there was somebody when I was coming up, Ty Green, that was pushing those limits. 01:20:05.439 --> 01:20:08.239 And it might have been five, might have been six or seven. 01:20:08.479 --> 01:20:10.560 Again, I don't know the exact numbers. 01:20:10.720 --> 01:20:12.319 He never was like, This is what I'm taking. 01:20:12.479 --> 01:20:22.720 Never his coach was Oscar Arden, and Oscar, we all knew Oscar pushed dosages, but it was like that's that ever that had everybody behind the scenes talking. 01:20:22.960 --> 01:20:23.439 Yeah. 01:20:23.760 --> 01:20:32.399 So that was where uh and I'd probably say there's still a handful of guys out there that push some crazy dosages. 01:20:32.560 --> 01:20:36.319 Uh, but again, there will be something that pushes them back. 01:20:36.479 --> 01:20:47.439 I'd probably say I don't actually know because I was never 270, 290, 300 pounds in an off-season setting, so I don't really know. 01:20:47.680 --> 01:20:48.079 Right. 01:20:48.319 --> 01:20:52.880 But everybody does find their sweet spot, and it is different for everybody. 01:20:53.119 --> 01:20:59.119 Like I knew that at a thousand megs of test, I knew that I operated at a high level. 01:20:59.279 --> 01:21:03.680 I had very little side effects from the testosterone. 01:21:03.920 --> 01:21:11.039 Um I was able to keep estrogen conversion at a at a low that didn't really have any issues. 01:21:11.279 --> 01:21:13.520 Um yeah. 01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:16.720 Everybody finds their sweet spot for sure. 01:21:16.880 --> 01:21:28.560 And especially now with the knowledge that people have behind about primobolent, masteron, um, and some of these other drugs and peptides, and how do you properly utilize insulin and the quality of growth hormone now? 01:21:28.720 --> 01:21:38.479 Bro, you can do some really, really fucking wild things on a much lower dose of testosterone than I believe that we knew about 20 years ago, 30 years ago. 01:21:38.720 --> 01:21:39.439 You know what I mean? 01:21:39.760 --> 01:21:41.039 Yeah, I agree. 01:21:41.439 --> 01:21:43.439 Yeah, but I think go ahead. 01:21:43.760 --> 01:21:46.479 I was just gonna say I love I love the way that the industry is going right now. 01:21:46.720 --> 01:21:51.439 They're just being a lot more conscious of everything in terms of longevity in the bot in the sport. 01:21:51.680 --> 01:21:52.079 Oh, yeah. 01:21:52.239 --> 01:21:57.680 Even like even gut health is really showing in physical attributes and the guys on stage, which I think is awesome, you know? 01:21:57.920 --> 01:22:01.600 Hey, dude, that is one thing that I don't think I talk enough about. 01:22:01.760 --> 01:22:04.399 Um, I'm massive on gut health. 01:22:04.800 --> 01:22:05.439 Huge. 01:22:05.840 --> 01:22:10.000 I think that your gut controls uh a lot of your body. 01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:27.439 And it's it from the non-sciencey standpoint of it is whenever your gut is operating at a high level and you're taking a quality shit and you're not bloated, your gut's not distended, and you're trying to look good when you take your shirt off and not be distended or anything, bro. 01:22:27.920 --> 01:22:37.039 You up you're like a a fucking completely different person because whenever you have diarrhea, you're constipated, you're bloated, you're a prick, dude. 01:22:37.199 --> 01:22:39.359 Yeah, you're not you're not cool. 01:22:39.840 --> 01:22:40.479 Yeah. 01:22:41.119 --> 01:22:43.760 Like your training sucks and you're an asshole. 01:22:43.840 --> 01:22:45.920 It's like, all right, cool, my gut's important. 01:22:46.159 --> 01:22:47.199 Simple as that. 01:22:48.399 --> 01:22:49.039 You know? 01:22:49.279 --> 01:22:50.000 Yeah, man. 01:22:50.239 --> 01:22:50.720 It's crazy. 01:22:50.800 --> 01:22:57.279 I don't think there's anything that makes me more irritated intrinsically than just fucking having the fucking farts, man. 01:22:58.079 --> 01:22:59.199 That's that's what I mean. 01:22:59.520 --> 01:23:11.600 You if you got gas and you're like, and you gotta go do you gotta go to the gym and you have gas, or you're spending time with like your your girl, or you're you're fucking going anywhere and you got like nasty gas. 01:23:13.520 --> 01:23:15.279 You're just like, this sucks, dude. 01:23:15.439 --> 01:23:20.000 That's why I'm like, I'm I I don't eat things that fuck with my stomach, dude. 01:23:20.079 --> 01:23:21.439 I w I just don't eat them anymore. 01:23:21.520 --> 01:23:23.119 No matter how much I love them, won't eat them. 01:23:23.600 --> 01:23:24.479 Yeah, yeah. 01:23:24.720 --> 01:23:25.359 Yeah. 01:23:25.680 --> 01:23:26.880 I feel that. 01:23:27.119 --> 01:23:28.800 I appreciate you for talking about that, man. 01:23:28.880 --> 01:23:30.560 I think that's gonna I think that helps a lot of people. 01:23:30.720 --> 01:23:34.800 Plus, I know everyone's super interested in not just the gut health, but all of it. 01:23:35.039 --> 01:23:41.840 And um I think like obviously I I I I'm not as in the industry as you guys have been. 01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:44.640 You guys have so much more, so many more years ahead of me. 01:23:44.960 --> 01:23:57.359 But um I don't know, like when Phil hate when Phil Heath said on I'm pretty sure he said this on the modern wisdom podcast that the most amount of tests that he's ever taken was 1.4 grams. 01:23:57.520 -->

01:23:58.960 I kind of just believed it, man. 01:23:59.199 --> 01:24:04.479 I'm like he's a shot he's not one of the taller guys, and he's a genetic freak. 01:24:05.600 --> 01:24:07.520 That's not out of the average, you know. 01:24:07.840 --> 01:24:24.079 No, dude, I turned I turned pro on I was taking 600 megs of test whenever I was up to I was six weeks out from my from nationals, and then Hani dropped it to 300 megs of test a week. 01:24:24.239 --> 01:24:27.520 And I'm like, dude, what the fuck are we doing? 01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:33.039 And he was like, You don't need that much testosterone right now, Seth. 01:24:33.279 --> 01:24:34.800 You need it to go down. 01:24:35.439 --> 01:24:39.920 And I'm like, so I'm this is like, what the fuck are we doing here? 01:24:40.079 --> 01:24:43.600 And it was just like there was a process to it all in learning your body. 01:24:43.760 --> 01:24:46.239 And even though it might not, because it didn't sound cool. 01:24:46.399 --> 01:24:49.520 Like I wanted to sound cool like I was taking a thousand megs of test. 01:24:50.000 --> 01:24:50.399 Yeah, yeah. 01:24:50.880 --> 01:24:53.680 I was so dumb, young and dumb and naive to it all. 01:24:53.840 --> 01:24:56.079 And I think that's also a part of it. 01:24:56.239 --> 01:25:04.479 Uh, but uh like with Phil, like, bro, there's nobody, nobody was like that fucking guy. 01:25:04.720 --> 01:25:05.279 Nobody. 01:25:05.439 --> 01:25:10.079 It was wild watching him train and grow and and and mold his physique. 01:25:10.319 --> 01:25:12.800 Yeah, I I do believe him 100%. 01:25:13.199 --> 01:25:13.600 Yes. 01:25:13.760 --> 01:25:20.399 Yeah, and then I also know guys that in powerlifting that would crack a ball to a test and take the entire fucking thing in a day. 01:25:20.640 --> 01:25:22.800 Like, I do believe them. 01:25:23.119 --> 01:25:23.600 Yeah, yeah. 01:25:24.560 --> 01:25:25.039 Yes. 01:25:25.520 --> 01:25:27.359 Powerlifting does some crazy shit, bro. 01:25:27.520 --> 01:25:31.760 Yeah, like that sounds like something you would do, and I I'm not going to deny that. 01:25:31.920 --> 01:25:32.960 Was it a good idea? 01:25:33.199 --> 01:25:33.520 No. 01:25:34.720 --> 01:25:40.239 But and that's what makes the that's what makes the industry so intriguing and awesome, I think. 01:25:40.720 --> 01:25:44.000 Like, and that's why I'm like, I was like, cool, like you do whatever you want. 01:25:44.079 --> 01:25:48.239 And if you want to tell me stories about you fucking doing wild shit, I'll listen. 01:25:48.560 --> 01:25:52.960 I mean, I might get a little fired up and want to try it, but then I'm gonna be like, think about it. 01:25:53.119 --> 01:25:54.720 That sounds dumb, don't do it. 01:25:54.880 --> 01:25:55.359 Okay, cool. 01:25:55.520 --> 01:25:56.399 Moving on. 01:25:56.960 --> 01:26:00.399 But yeah, I think that's what makes the industry also really cool. 01:26:00.479 --> 01:26:08.239 And and and that's why I say, like, it's your body, you can do whatever the fuck you want with it, but whenever bad shit happens from it, you don't get to cry. 01:26:08.960 --> 01:26:17.920 Like, I don't, I don't get to I don't get to cry about any of the negatives that happened to me in life because it's was the choices that I made that led me to this point. 01:26:18.159 --> 01:26:19.760 So yeah, yeah. 01:26:20.399 --> 01:26:23.439 What would you say is your favorite prepping competition you've ever had? 01:26:24.399 --> 01:26:25.600 My favorite prep? 01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:26.319 Yeah. 01:26:26.720 --> 01:26:28.079 Favorite prep competition? 01:26:28.319 --> 01:26:28.960 Nationals? 01:26:29.199 --> 01:26:29.840 Nationals. 01:26:30.079 --> 01:26:31.359 When was that again for you? 01:26:31.600 --> 01:26:32.319 As 09. 01:26:32.720 --> 01:26:37.359 Uh, I turned pro in 09, and then I did the Dallas Europa in 2010. 01:26:37.520 --> 01:26:44.079 Uh Dallas was a lot, was was fucking wild, but I had to that's what I had to fucking make weight. 01:26:44.159 --> 01:26:46.560 I'd make 202, so it got nasty. 01:26:47.119 --> 01:26:51.600 It just, but I have a lot of very fond, incredible memories. 01:26:51.920 --> 01:26:57.119 Uh, but the the nationals was I didn't know how good I looked. 01:26:57.359 --> 01:26:58.560 I didn't know. 01:26:58.800 --> 01:27:01.600 And like Honey like just kept me in line. 01:27:01.920 --> 01:27:11.199 So whenever people saw me in person for the first time, they were fucking like, what the fuck are you? 01:27:11.359 --> 01:27:14.239 And I'm like, I don't know. 01:27:14.479 --> 01:27:15.359 I didn't even know. 01:27:15.520 --> 01:27:18.880 So it was like the the prep in 09 was the most fun. 01:27:19.359 --> 01:27:19.920 Yeah. 01:27:20.239 --> 01:27:25.760 What were like the aspects that you remember the most about that prep that made it so memorable for you? 01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:26.880 Aside from that. 01:27:27.279 --> 01:27:30.960 The last, the last uh, I was three weeks out. 01:27:31.119 --> 01:27:49.119 I was just I was 20 days out, and I had sent pictures to Hani, and uh he was like, and he never told me good job, and it always was rough, and I was doing so much cardio because I was young and I needed to get the fucking fat and intermuscular fat off my body. 01:27:49.439 --> 01:27:56.239 And uh I was I remember him saying, When was the last time when was the last time you had a cheat meal? 01:27:56.479 --> 01:28:00.960 And I was like, I don't know, like Week 10? 01:28:01.119 --> 01:28:02.399 And he's like, really? 01:28:02.720 --> 01:28:05.359 And I'm like, yeah, dude, you're in charge of my nutrition. 01:28:05.439 --> 01:28:09.279 Like, I don't fucking if you don't, if you don't tell me to eat something, I won't fucking eat it. 01:28:09.439 --> 01:28:10.960 He's like, you need to go eat a burger. 01:28:11.119 --> 01:28:17.359 And I'm like, We're we're 20, we're we're 20 days out, bud. 01:28:17.600 --> 01:28:19.039 I'm not going and eating no cheeseburger. 01:28:19.119 --> 01:28:20.239 You

got your fucking mind? 01:28:20.479 --> 01:28:21.600 And he's like, you need it. 01:28:21.680 --> 01:28:24.800 And I'm like, I don't know if I could eat a cheeseburger right now, bro. 01:28:24.880 --> 01:28:26.319 I don't know if I could do it. 01:28:26.479 --> 01:28:28.720 And he's like, he's like, you need to. 01:28:28.800 --> 01:28:30.800 And I'm like, no. 01:28:32.479 --> 01:28:33.359 I thought of. 01:28:33.439 --> 01:28:38.800 And then uh, and uh he uh he's like, you need to go to a steakhouse and just get a steak burger. 01:28:38.880 --> 01:28:44.000 And he's like, you need to eat the burger and you need to eat the fries and you need to eat a dessert. 01:28:44.079 --> 01:28:44.720 And I'm like, oh. 01:28:45.039 --> 01:28:46.960 I was like, but I don't know if I can eat dessert. 01:28:47.119 --> 01:28:48.880 I was like, I don't think I could fucking do it, dude. 01:28:49.039 --> 01:28:50.000 We're 20 days out. 01:28:50.159 --> 01:28:51.520 Who who does this? 01:28:51.760 --> 01:28:55.119 And uh and he was like, he's like, what do you like? 01:28:55.279 --> 01:28:58.640 And I was like, well, I like like angel food cake with strawberries and shit. 01:28:58.720 --> 01:28:59.920 Like, that's a light dessert. 01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:01.840 You know, I didn't want to say like fucking cheesecake. 01:29:01.920 --> 01:29:04.159 I'm not, I'm not eating cheesecake out of your mind. 01:29:04.560 --> 01:29:17.279 So uh I go to uh I go eat a steak burger at a steakhouse and I eat the burger, literally get up out of the seat because I've never done this, I've never been this deep in a prep. 01:29:18.159 --> 01:29:21.760 I ate the burger and I'm like, I gotta go to the bathroom. 01:29:21.840 --> 01:29:27.039 So I go to the bathroom and I take my shirt off and I'm like looking at myself in the mirror, like, what's gonna happen? 01:29:27.199 --> 01:29:28.079 Is this gonna go away? 01:29:28.159 --> 01:29:29.520 Like I was like, how is this? 01:29:29.680 --> 01:29:31.199 How is my body gonna respond? 01:29:31.359 --> 01:29:34.720 Like, I wanted to see the transformation, it happening. 01:29:34.880 --> 01:29:38.479 And all I did was look a little bit fuller, and I'm like, cool. 01:29:38.720 --> 01:29:47.920 I go back in, I sit down, I eat the French fries, finish my Diet Coke, and I go right back into the bathroom, take my shirt back off. 01:29:49.439 --> 01:29:50.640 Let's just watch, dude. 01:29:50.720 --> 01:29:51.760 Let's just see what happens. 01:29:52.000 --> 01:29:56.079 It's super fucking cool, and like everything came to life, you know. 01:29:56.399 --> 01:30:04.640 And that that that memory is what uh why I believe it's important for meat heads to experience it, get super lean. 01:30:04.800 --> 01:30:10.399 You literally get to watch your body transform from things, and it was the fucking coolest thing in the world. 01:30:10.479 --> 01:30:20.800 And I was like, man, and then all it did was just make me look better the next day and get right back to work and fucking just get even more gnarly shredded. 01:30:20.960 --> 01:30:27.279 And I was like, this is I was like, bodybuilding is so fucking cool, yeah, it's so cool. 01:30:27.600 --> 01:30:30.560 Yeah, yeah, that that that was a big one. 01:30:30.720 --> 01:30:43.920 And then uh at Nationals, uh I took off, I took off my clothes, and people were just we were it, we were getting ready to weigh in, and people just looked at me and they were like, bro. 01:30:44.720 --> 01:30:47.119 And I'm fucking, I didn't even have any tan on. 01:30:47.199 --> 01:30:51.840 And they were like, dude, your skin is translucent, you look fucking wild. 01:30:51.920 --> 01:30:54.399 And I'm like, nice, dude. 01:30:54.479 --> 01:30:57.359 And I'm looking around, nobody looks like me. 01:30:57.520 --> 01:31:00.000 And I'm like, oh no, this is this is wild. 01:31:00.239 --> 01:31:08.960 And Tamar Al Gundy, we got all, we were backstage getting ready to go out for uh for just the the quarter turns. 01:31:09.279 --> 01:31:16.000 And uh he looks at me, he comes up and he's like, hey dude, he's like, I work incredibly hard. 01:31:16.239 --> 01:31:21.359 He's like, I put in the work, I do the cardio, he's like, you look fucking insane. 01:31:21.600 --> 01:31:24.640 And he's like, you're going to win this show. 01:31:24.880 --> 01:31:29.439 And I was like, we'dn't even we'd even go out for quarter turns. 01:31:29.600 --> 01:31:29.840 Yeah. 01:31:30.000 --> 01:31:31.680 And he's like, you're gonna win this show. 01:31:31.840 --> 01:31:33.119 He's like, keep your head on straight. 01:31:33.199 --> 01:31:35.680 And he's like, he's like, you put the work in. 01:31:35.760 --> 01:31:36.880 And I was like, man. 01:31:37.600 --> 01:31:46.640 Memories, those are the memories that I have, and they were just they were fun, they're very fun memories because it was all very positive, and all the hard work that I did actually like paid off. 01:31:46.880 --> 01:31:52.079 It showed the work that I did was noticed by everyone. 01:31:52.479 --> 01:31:59.279 Is there anything specific that you can think of or remember that made that difference for that show and that prep? 01:31:59.359 --> 01:32:02.319 Or did just somehow you guys just nailed everything and it just worked out? 01:32:02.720 --> 01:32:05.359 Uh bro, we cut we caught lightning in a bottle. 01:32:05.600 --> 01:32:06.720 That's what we did. 01:32:06.960 --> 01:32:07.680 We caught it. 01:32:07.840 --> 01:32:10.399 It was that's that's really what bodybuilding is. 01:32:10.560 --> 01:32:24.000 Like when you when you catch lightning in a bottle, whenever that peak you are at 99% of your possibil of your possible peak, you have captured that lightning and you're putting on a show for everyone, and everyone loves it. 01:32:24.159 --> 01:32:26.000 Yeah, like that's what bodybuilding is. 01:32:26.079 --> 01:32:30.079 You it's this you're showing everybody how how good you can be. 01:32:30.239 --> 01:32:40.159 And whenever you see someone

so on, like Phil in 11 and 13, you're just like, Yeah, and you see him in 12, and you're like, Yeah, he's okay. 01:32:40.319 --> 01:32:45.279 Meanwhile, he's still mind-blowing, but he's not that 99% that lightning. 01:32:45.520 --> 01:32:56.000 And uh I think that it was just everything was just peaked so perfectly, and uh I it was yeah, yeah. 01:32:57.279 --> 01:33:02.239 Give a lot to Hani, and you know, he always said he's like, Dig, you just just you just did the work. 01:33:02.319 --> 01:33:03.119 You didn't say nothing. 01:33:03.199 --> 01:33:04.960 And I was like, I didn't know I was supposed to. 01:33:05.279 --> 01:33:08.720 So just fuck do it and shut the fuck up. 01:33:09.279 --> 01:33:11.760 But yeah, dude, fuck yeah. 01:33:12.479 --> 01:33:13.680 Yeah, it was awesome. 01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:21.840 I've been training for over 15 years now, and I was too lazy to track anything training-wise for about the first 10 years, because science-based training's for pussies. 01:33:22.079 --> 01:33:36.640 But I kept hitting plateaus from burnout, fatigue, joint issues and injuries, and other factors that at the time I didn't really fully understand, realizing not everyone is built to handle the intense, insane workload, and injury resilience of Tom Platt and Ronnie Coleman sad face. 01:33:36.880 --> 01:33:43.920 I wanted to speed run that shit, but the reality is dudes that have always known their body best are the ones that have been lifting for at least a decade. 01:33:44.239 --> 01:33:45.920 Shit takes a long ass time to figure out. 01:33:46.079 --> 01:33:50.560 I started tracking all my training on the notes app on iPhone, because I don't know what paper is. 01:33:50.720 --> 01:33:53.439 Until recently, I started using the RP Hypertrophy app. 01:33:53.520 --> 01:34:00.560 The RP Hypertrophy app spoon feeds you step-by-step workouts, tailor towards whatever your focus is, or you can customize the workout yourself. 01:34:00.720 --> 01:34:04.319 Well, educated coaches have always cost$250 to$500 or more a month. 01:34:04.479 --> 01:34:05.760 I'm paying$500. 01:34:06.319 --> 01:34:08.560 That's like 10 bottles of testosterone. 01:34:08.880 --> 01:34:15.760 But if you're not competing or you don't have the money to spend, the app will adjust your program for you every week to maximize your long-term growth. 01:34:15.920 --> 01:34:19.520 It'll basis on your pump, how fatigued you feel, how your joints feel, and more. 01:34:19.680 --> 01:34:21.600 It takes in everything into account. 01:34:21.760 --> 01:34:27.119 None of which I took into account in college because the only accounting I did was counting how many dumbies were in my class. 01:34:28.239 --> 01:34:30.239 Look, there's a titty. 01:34:30.560 --> 01:34:34.880 If you don't believe in science-based training, you don't gotta do no three RIR shit. 01:34:35.039 --> 01:34:36.960 You can just hoist heavy steel. 01:34:37.279 --> 01:34:43.920 And track it because we all know that the people who say

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01:35:34.720 --> 01:35:36.399 I'd compete way more. 01:35:37.359 --> 01:35:38.079 Way more. 01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:40.239 Way more. 01:35:40.399 --> 01:35:48.079 I wouldn't I wouldn't let any uh I wouldn't let the constructs of what people think of me change any of it. 01:35:48.319 --> 01:35:49.920 I'd just fucking compete more. 01:35:50.159 --> 01:35:56.800 I think that because looking back, I wish I had more memories like I was just going over, even if they're bad, like fuck it. 01:35:56.880 --> 01:35:57.199 Yeah. 01:35:57.439 --> 01:36:00.720 Like in and when anybody thinks about you, like, oh, I don't want to have a bad showing. 01:36:00.800 --> 01:36:01.199 Fuck it. 01:36:01.760 --> 01:36:02.319 Nobody cares. 01:36:02.399 --> 01:36:05.279 If you have a bad showing and come back and have a great showing, you're great again. 01:36:05.520 --> 01:36:06.000 It's fun. 01:36:06.319 --> 01:36:08.319 What do you feel like you didn't compete as much as you did? 01:36:08.560 --> 01:36:09.199 What's that? 01:36:09.439 --> 01:36:11.279 What do you feel like you didn't compete as much as you did? 01:36:11.359 --> 01:36:12.079 Or what was the reason? 01:36:12.399 --> 01:36:13.039 In in 2012. 01:36:13.359 --> 01:36:14.239 As much as you would have wanted. 01:36:14.479 --> 01:36:18.479 Yeah, in 2012, whenever uh that's when shit hit the fan in my life. 01:36:18.640 --> 01:36:24.239 Um, and I wasn't mentally uh strong enough to handle the pressures of life. 01:36:24.640 --> 01:36:32.239 My that's when my ex was at the Toronto Pro, whenever that was my like open that was my open debut. 01:36:32.640 --> 01:36:37.119 And uh my my ex was deep into the shit at that point. 01:36:37.279 --> 01:36:38.960 It was it's really ugly. 01:36:39.119 --> 01:36:44.000 And Hani noticed, and he's like, hey, dude, he's like, this isn't you're not in a fucking good place. 01:36:44.319 --> 01:36:56.479 And after that, like I was just really upset and I started lashing out in a very, very childish way against Hani, against everybody, and rather than just pointing a finger at myself and what was going on in my home. 01:36:56.560 --> 01:36:58.960 And that's whenever I was like, I'm out. 01:37:00.000 --> 01:37:05.119 Um, but it was it was just it was a combination of just life kicking my ass. 01:37:05.359 --> 01:37:05.680 Okay. 01:37:06.239 --> 01:37:17.520 But even whenever, even whenever I came back in the 2016 time and got big and got into it, um, I was building the companies and all this really cool shit, and I didn't compete because I was building companies. 01:37:17.600 --> 01:37:18.159 It was super cool. 01:37:18.319 --> 01:37:22.399 And I'm like, I'd love to, but I'm building companies, and it's like, fuck off. 01:37:22.479 --> 01:37:23.920 You should have competed, you pussy. 01:37:24.000 --> 01:37:26.079 You should have just did Yeah. 01:37:26.319 --> 01:37:27.439 But yeah, that's it. 01:37:27.840 --> 01:37:30.319 How many shows again do you do every season? 01:37:30.800 --> 01:37:35.439 I only did I did I did three pro shows. 01:37:36.239 --> 01:37:49.600 Did three pro shows again returned pro in 09, 2010, took 11 off to grow, and it didn't go as it didn't go the way that it should have went because I didn't take it, I didn't take it as serious as I should have. 01:37:49.760 --> 01:37:51.920 And then in 2012, life fell apart. 01:37:52.159 --> 01:37:55.279 Did two shows and shit hit the fan. 01:37:55.600 --> 01:38:00.239 But if I was recommending to somebody, I'd probably say four to five shows a year. 01:38:00.479 --> 01:38:00.880 Yeah. 01:38:01.039 --> 01:38:01.680 Yeah. 01:38:01.920 --> 01:38:02.239 Yeah. 01:38:02.720 --> 01:38:03.199 For sure. 01:38:04.479 --> 01:38:05.039 Yeah. 01:38:05.279 --> 01:38:05.760 Awesome. 01:38:06.000 --> 01:38:08.000 With you and Flex taking over 212, man. 01:38:08.479 --> 01:38:09.039 That's what I mean. 01:38:10.079 --> 01:38:11.439 I get my charger real quick. 01:38:11.680 --> 01:38:12.399 That's what I mean. 01:38:12.560 --> 01:38:22.640 Like fucking um Flex Lewis and I could have had I we could have had a rivalry that would have resonated with everyone for so long. 01:38:23.439 --> 01:38:25.680 Just him and I going back and forth. 01:38:25.840 --> 01:38:30.560 Even if I lost to him every single year, it still would have been a beautiful rivalry. 01:38:30.800 --> 01:38:31.279 Yeah, dude. 01:38:31.680 --> 01:38:33.279 So much great stuff for bodybuilding. 01:38:33.439 --> 01:38:35.840 It would have done so much for both of our careers. 01:38:36.000 --> 01:38:37.359 It'd

have been a ton of fun, too. 01:38:37.439 --> 01:38:43.760 Like we would have been, we'd be laughing about it right now, being like, ah busting balls and enjoying it, you know? 01:38:45.279 --> 01:38:45.600 Yeah. 01:38:45.840 --> 01:38:47.520 And that's why I tell a lot of these guys too. 01:38:47.600 --> 01:38:48.880 I'm like, hey, just compete more. 01:38:48.960 --> 01:38:49.680 Don't be afraid. 01:38:49.840 --> 01:38:51.920 Don't, don't, don't do this to yourself. 01:38:52.159 --> 01:38:53.279 It's supposed to be fun. 01:38:53.520 --> 01:38:53.840 Yeah. 01:38:54.159 --> 01:38:54.319 Okay. 01:38:54.800 --> 01:39:00.960 You also just have like a lot of hype, a lot of hype, uh I don't even know what the word is. 01:39:01.119 --> 01:39:02.159 Hype questions. 01:39:03.199 --> 01:39:04.560 People just saying, like, let's go. 01:39:04.720 --> 01:39:05.920 It's fucking Seth. 01:39:06.640 --> 01:39:08.239 Ask him everything. 01:39:09.680 --> 01:39:12.880 DC Power Stroke asks, will Paul ever touch the net? 01:39:14.560 --> 01:39:15.439 What's that? 01:39:15.760 --> 01:39:18.399 DC Power Stroke asks, will Paul ever touch net? 01:39:18.800 --> 01:39:20.159 No, he won't. 01:39:20.319 --> 01:39:21.199 He won't ever. 01:39:21.600 --> 01:39:21.920 No. 01:39:24.399 --> 01:39:29.199 Uh Runel asks, what would you be doing if it if you didn't find bodybuilding? 01:39:29.680 --> 01:39:35.600 Um so I have a degree in safety sciences, which is OSHA EPA DOT regulations. 01:39:35.680 --> 01:39:39.439 That's what I did as a consultant before I got back into bodybuilding. 01:39:39.680 --> 01:39:42.000 Um, I'd I'd probably be into that. 01:39:42.720 --> 01:39:50.319 I would be, I was, I was, I enjoyed it because I was around a lot of a lot of that's a lot of fucking badass dudes. 01:39:50.479 --> 01:39:52.800 And uh I enjoyed the industry. 01:39:53.039 --> 01:40:02.640 It's you know another industry, but I'd probably be uh either a consultant or um at this point in my life I'd hope that I'd be a director somewhere. 01:40:04.000 --> 01:40:04.159 Okay. 01:40:10.079 --> 01:40:14.880 Twisted roots design asks, why can't you get more larges in stock, bro? 01:40:15.039 --> 01:40:18.159 Love the love the hardworking motherfucker gear, bro's killing it. 01:40:18.640 --> 01:40:21.520 Large and extra large sells first every time. 01:40:22.560 --> 01:40:23.359 Every time. 01:40:23.840 --> 01:40:29.760 And that's something, you know, whenever you like ordering quantities, Bob, Bob and the team got it on lock. 01:40:29.920 --> 01:40:30.479 Yeah. 01:40:30.720 --> 01:40:35.760 But like whenever you're ordering, you you know, you can't just order, you know, 500 of every single size. 01:40:35.840 --> 01:40:38.399 It's gotta be, you know, you it's all staggered. 01:40:38.720 --> 01:40:41.760 But and it depends on the time of the year. 01:40:41.920 --> 01:40:46.960 We sell way more larges in the summertime than we do Black Friday. 01:40:47.119 --> 01:40:47.600 Really? 01:40:47.760 --> 01:40:48.000 Yeah. 01:40:48.079 --> 01:40:48.640 In the wintertime. 01:40:48.960 --> 01:40:49.279 Summertime. 01:40:49.359 --> 01:40:49.920 Why summertime? 01:40:50.079 --> 01:40:51.760 People want to wear something a little tighter. 01:40:51.920 --> 01:40:52.800 Uh that's what I mean. 01:40:52.880 --> 01:40:53.279 I don't know. 01:40:53.359 --> 01:40:55.279 Like I'm you know, polling the people. 01:40:55.359 --> 01:40:57.760 It's like, why do you guys buy more larges in the summer? 01:40:57.920 --> 01:40:59.520 We've just, you know, we've had data. 01:40:59.840 --> 01:41:02.800 Wait, like more larges in the summer, more extra larges in the winter. 01:41:03.039 --> 01:41:08.800 Uh, yeah, we we we see the tick, we see the tick change um in the summer. 01:41:08.960 --> 01:41:19.359 Is I'd probably say we order probably 15 to 20 percent more larges in the summertime than we do at Black Friday. 01:41:20.159 --> 01:41:20.800 Yeah. 01:41:21.039 --> 01:41:30.479 Yeah, because we noticed there's an uptick in l extra large and 2XL in in the uh from fall into our fall release and our winter release. 01:41:30.720 --> 01:41:32.479 All right, people going into bulking season, eh? 01:41:32.640 --> 01:41:33.039 That's what I mean. 01:41:33.119 --> 01:41:35.199 I'm like, is this this is actually this is occurring. 01:41:35.279 --> 01:41:36.399 This is pretty fucking awesome. 01:41:36.560 --> 01:41:37.199 I love it. 01:41:37.520 --> 01:41:40.560 But that's that's what we equate it to, but yeah. 01:41:40.880 --> 01:41:42.000 That's great. 01:41:43.199 --> 01:41:45.680 Um God, dude. 01:41:45.760 --> 01:41:49.920 Patrick, I fucking love working with Patrick Tor, but man, he gets me fucking fat, dude. 01:41:50.079 --> 01:41:52.000 He gets me fat in the off season. 01:41:52.319 --> 01:41:52.800 Does he? 01:41:53.039 --> 01:41:53.760 He makes me eat. 01:41:53.840 --> 01:41:54.800 He makes me eat a lot of food. 01:41:54.880 --> 01:41:56.560 Yeah, just have a low metabolism. 01:41:57.039 --> 01:41:58.399 Gotta eat to get big. 01:41:58.640 --> 01:41:59.520 Yeah, bro. 01:42:00.079 --> 01:42:05.840 Uh Cad Cadendries asks, how did you become one of the best supplement brands? 01:42:06.960 --> 01:42:14.640 Um with X, I am a very I'm very particular with quality, the ingredients. 01:42:14.880 --> 01:42:20.800 And at the same time, the technology behind flavoring things is there to do. 01:42:20.960 --> 01:42:22.960 Supplements don't have to taste like shit. 01:42:23.119 --> 01:42:27.680 The technology is there to make sure in and how to mask ingredients. 01:42:27.920 --> 01:42:31.920 But then um, I don't know. 01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:35.279 I never I wanted this supplement company to be me. 01:42:35.439 --> 01:42:44.960 I wanted to be high quality, I wanted it to be fun, innovative, and people should be excited whenever they take something out of their gym bag. 01:42:45.359 --> 01:42:52.319 So creating the labels that we do with the people like Bob, like, dude, I'm we started

off by saying I'm a little bit of a micromanager. 01:42:52.640 --> 01:42:57.439 Like I'm a little bit of a fucking prick when it comes to these things because this isn't about my ego. 01:42:57.680 --> 01:43:02.800 Like when it comes to anything that we design, anything that we put out, I remove my ego from it. 01:43:02.960 --> 01:43:07.039 Like I want it to be me because it's like I expect to be high quality. 01:43:07.199 --> 01:43:08.000 I want it to be fun. 01:43:08.159 --> 01:43:13.119 I want it to be exciting because I was a customer for years in this industry. 01:43:13.359 --> 01:43:18.239 But I need to make sure that what we're doing here, when I say remove my ego, it's not about me. 01:43:18.319 --> 01:43:20.720 It's now it's about you, it's about the customer. 01:43:20.960 --> 01:43:23.279 I want the people to have this wonderful experience. 01:43:23.439 --> 01:43:26.800 I don't just want to put a label on something just to put a label on it. 01:43:27.039 --> 01:43:34.079 I want them to fucking look at it and be like, yeah, I want to take a picture of this and and be like, fuck yeah, and put it on the internet. 01:43:34.399 --> 01:43:36.560 I want them to get the experience of the label. 01:43:36.640 --> 01:43:40.399 I want them to open it up and have the experience of how great the new flavor is. 01:43:40.560 --> 01:43:42.880 I want them to have a pump that they've never had. 01:43:43.039 --> 01:43:48.319 Like, I want it to be fun because, dude, life can suck sometimes. 01:43:48.560 --> 01:43:55.359 And when life sucks sometimes, the one thing that was always a constant of greatness in my life was the gym. 01:43:55.680 --> 01:43:59.840 So whenever I was going through a hard time, that's where deadlifts and gummy bursts came from. 01:43:59.920 --> 01:44:02.960 Whenever I was going through a hard time, the gym was there for me. 01:44:03.199 --> 01:44:11.359 So if the pre-workout, a protein powder, the carb powders that we do, all the stuff, if it can be there for people, fuck yeah. 01:44:11.520 --> 01:44:17.279 So I'd be like, hey, I'm not just gonna approve this because you want it approved right now. 01:44:17.680 --> 01:44:19.520 I don't give a fuck what you feel. 01:44:19.680 --> 01:44:21.920 I don't care if this is really hard for you right now. 01:44:22.079 --> 01:44:23.760 You're gonna make it fucking better. 01:44:24.000 --> 01:44:27.039 Not for me, not for you, but for the people. 01:44:27.279 --> 01:44:32.159 Because we have a wonderful customer base that supports the shit out of everything that we do. 01:44:32.319 --> 01:44:33.600 It's got to be better. 01:44:33.840 --> 01:44:34.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:44:35.039 --> 01:44:43.439 So I think that having that mentality and then developing a culture with people and other people within the company now they know like we don't produce shit. 01:44:43.520 --> 01:44:51.359 Like, we have a few things planned this year that I'm like I'm really excited for because I I didn't have a heavy hand in it. 01:44:51.840 --> 01:44:57.840 It wasn't it wasn't me creating all these new ideas, it was the team. 01:44:58.079 --> 01:45:06.319 So I'm like, hey, you guys made some really fucking cool shit, and I didn't see anything but I didn't do anything but approve labels. 01:45:06.399 --> 01:45:08.640 Yeah, like this is awesome. 01:45:08.960 --> 01:45:16.399 So it's it's thinking of the customer first, what they want, making sure it's cool for them. 01:45:16.960 --> 01:45:18.239 I love that you said that, man. 01:45:18.399 --> 01:45:32.479 I without a shadow of the doubt, 1000% of me truly believes that if you are trying to make money and trying to make a living for your family, how you do it is by doing it with a purpose of doing things for others. 01:45:32.640 --> 01:45:35.119 If you're just chasing the dollar, it's not gonna happen. 01:45:35.279 --> 01:45:37.840 Or if it does, it's gonna bite you in the butt later. 01:45:38.239 --> 01:45:38.880 It will. 01:45:39.199 --> 01:45:39.680 It will. 01:45:40.000 --> 01:45:40.479 For sure. 01:45:40.640 --> 01:45:41.039 Yeah. 01:45:41.359 --> 01:45:50.640 That's um that's where uh I feel very blessed that with all these new opportunities this year, I um finally had the opportunity of starting something up, slightly starting something up. 01:45:50.720 --> 01:45:51.760 I'm I'm kind of just helping them. 01:45:51.840 --> 01:46:03.840 I'm not one of the owners, but uh doing an uh starting this company, this optimized HRT company with my best friend Nathan, and he's always been one of the best guys, just one of like the most genuine dudes, you know what I mean? 01:46:04.079 --> 01:46:10.880 And people who have watched my content in the past know him because they can tell from his energy, he's always been just like a real down-to-earth motherfucker. 01:46:11.039 --> 01:46:24.479 Yeah, and um, it's cool to be able to do this with them because uh in a company that I was working with before, uh they went down with some lawsuits and uh they did a lot of things that I wasn't proud of. 01:46:24.640 --> 01:46:24.960 Right. 01:46:25.119 --> 01:46:30.479 And so it's really cool that now we can just do it the right way and learn from all those, all of their mistakes, you know? 01:46:30.720 --> 01:46:31.119 Yeah, dude. 01:46:31.359 --> 01:46:37.920 And you and you do it with your passion, you do it with who you are, and and and it's gonna be exciting, it's gonna be tough. 01:46:38.079 --> 01:46:40.720 There's gonna be it's a roller coaster ride. 01:46:40.880 --> 01:46:41.439 You know what I mean? 01:46:41.520 --> 01:46:44.399 It's it's it's a it's a it's a it's a I love it. 01:46:44.640 --> 01:46:46.640 I'm I am meant for the roller coaster. 01:46:46.720 --> 01:46:48.800 I do not ride the merry-go round of life. 01:46:48.960 --> 01:46:54.960 I'm up and down and all around, and uh, and you just you you be excited, experience it all. 01:46:55.119 --> 01:46:56.479 It's super, it's super cool. 01:46:56.560 -->

01:46:57.680 That's great. 01:46:57.920 --> 01:46:58.399 Yeah. 01:46:58.560 --> 01:47:05.680 And you'll and you'll see people like you said that do some fucking shady shit, and you're like, for sure, son of a gun. 01:47:06.079 --> 01:47:07.119 I thought you were different. 01:47:07.199 --> 01:47:07.920 I shouldn't be here. 01:47:08.000 --> 01:47:08.960 This sucks. 01:47:09.520 --> 01:47:11.439 You just learn, right? 01:47:11.680 --> 01:47:14.800 Oh my boy, my boy Marcus was saying that for a couple years. 01:47:14.880 --> 01:47:19.039 He was like, he could really tell that it was happening, and I was like, No way, there's no way that they're doing that. 01:47:19.520 --> 01:47:20.399 Of course. 01:47:20.720 --> 01:47:29.279 Anyways, uh, Will Noble Fitness asks, ask him about the leg session he did with Kevin Lavron right after a back day. 01:47:29.359 --> 01:47:31.119 Dude, I remember watching that video. 01:47:32.239 --> 01:47:33.119 This shit was awesome. 01:47:33.279 --> 01:47:34.479 It was awesome. 01:47:34.720 --> 01:47:39.680 It was yeah, that was my uh that was that was my time to shine. 01:47:39.920 --> 01:47:42.159 I remember I trained with Phil and Jay and Hani. 01:47:42.399 --> 01:47:43.039 It was awesome. 01:47:43.119 --> 01:47:44.640 It was for muscular development. 01:47:44.800 --> 01:47:54.560 And uh they uh that was right whenever Kevin like started coming back into the scene, and that was 2000, I think it was 2010, whenever I did that. 01:47:54.720 --> 01:47:58.319 And they had they were like, We need to get content with Kevin. 01:47:58.560 --> 01:48:01.760 And I was like, uh yeah, and they're like, You want to train? 01:48:02.159 --> 01:48:06.000 And I'm like, Yeah, and then they're like, What are you gonna what are you gonna train? 01:48:06.159 --> 01:48:10.960 And Kevin's like legs, and I'm like, Yeah, yeah, this is bad. 01:48:11.199 --> 01:48:12.800 And uh, I was like, Fuck it, dude. 01:48:12.880 --> 01:48:14.000 I'm in it, I'd love to. 01:48:14.159 --> 01:48:16.720 And uh Phil was trying to talk me out of it. 01:48:16.880 --> 01:48:19.600 He's like, hey, dude, he's like, you shouldn't do this. 01:48:19.920 --> 01:48:23.039 I'm like, hey, bud, I'm not you, okay? 01:48:24.640 --> 01:48:26.640 I need to make a name for myself somehow. 01:48:26.800 --> 01:48:30.000 And Kevin Lavroni's here, and I'm gonna fuck shit up with him too. 01:48:30.239 --> 01:48:31.840 And then he buried me. 01:48:32.560 --> 01:48:33.279 That was awesome. 01:48:33.520 --> 01:48:36.239 Didn't he just make you do sets on sets of back barbell squats? 01:48:36.399 --> 01:48:38.239 Yeah, because he he knew I was smoked. 01:48:38.399 --> 01:48:42.560 He's like, We're just gonna squat until you fucking, we're just gonna squat until you quit. 01:48:42.720 --> 01:48:45.600 And I'm like, well, I'm not gonna quit, motherfucker. 01:48:45.680 --> 01:48:46.640 I'll just die. 01:48:46.880 --> 01:48:52.880 I'll just yeah, yeah, it was a lot of fun. 01:48:53.520 --> 01:49:02.720 Cause I mean, that's and that's the thing that that that I'm I mean, it was it was not the smartest thing to do in the world, but at the same time, look at all the memories. 01:49:03.039 --> 01:49:04.159 People love that shit. 01:49:04.239 --> 01:49:07.840 And I look back, I'm like, fuck yeah, just go do some crazy shit and have fun. 01:49:08.079 --> 01:49:08.880 Yeah, yeah. 01:49:10.239 --> 01:49:15.359 Apollo Young Yell Yellow official asks, what's your uh favorite protein shake flavor? 01:49:15.760 --> 01:49:16.319 Ooh. 01:49:16.560 --> 01:49:20.640 All right, mine changes a lot because like we have a lot of really good ones. 01:49:20.800 --> 01:49:21.680 I'm a okay. 01:49:21.760 --> 01:49:23.840 First off, I'm a vanilla guy. 01:49:24.159 --> 01:49:26.560 I am vanilla over chocolate. 01:49:27.119 --> 01:49:30.479 I know Fuad fucking busts crazy balls about it. 01:49:30.560 --> 01:49:32.800 I just like vanilla shit, okay? 01:49:33.039 --> 01:49:34.000 I like it. 01:49:34.239 --> 01:49:36.319 Um that's a vanilla brother. 01:49:36.560 --> 01:49:37.199 I know. 01:49:38.239 --> 01:49:40.079 Oh, you're a vanilla guy too? 01:49:40.319 --> 01:49:40.560 No? 01:49:40.800 --> 01:49:42.000 Uh I'm a cookies and winner. 01:49:42.319 --> 01:49:43.199 I'm a cookies and cream guy. 01:49:43.279 --> 01:49:44.479 I like a little mix in there. 01:49:44.880 --> 01:49:51.199 So we just did a peanut butter cookies and cream for in the for our uh winter flavor. 01:49:51.520 --> 01:49:54.800 Bro, it was one of the best flavors we've ever done. 01:49:54.960 --> 01:49:56.800 I have two tubs left. 01:49:56.960 --> 01:49:59.760 Um, but peanut butter cookies and cream was a fucking wild. 01:50:00.399 --> 01:50:01.119 Flavor. 01:50:03.439 --> 01:50:05.840 I'm a peanut butter guy though. 01:50:06.560 --> 01:50:07.680 But yeah. 01:50:08.159 --> 01:50:14.640 I'd probably say though, my the one I go back to the most is marshmallow milk. 01:50:15.359 --> 01:50:27.600 So whenever we we did marshmallow milk a couple years ago, um it was a cereal flavor, and um we did it, and I was just it's a vanilla base, but then it has like the Lucky Charn marshmallow flavor to it. 01:50:27.840 --> 01:50:28.960 And that is my shit. 01:50:29.039 --> 01:50:36.399 It's good in protein shakes, it's good in creamies, it's good in the whey drip, it's good in uh the fucking protein balls that Hannah makes. 01:50:36.640 --> 01:50:37.359 Marshmallow milk. 01:50:37.600 --> 01:50:38.479 That's my dude. 01:50:38.560 --> 01:50:39.920 Yeah, that's the best shit, dude. 01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:48.079 Every time I'm hanging out with uh like Jared Feather and Wyattherhouse, or even my my homie and Mike, we're just fucking putting protein protein powder and milk and eating cereal. 01:50:48.319 --> 01:50:49.199 Oh yeah, dude. 01:50:50.079 --> 01:50:51.039 Me and stuff, dude. 01:50:51.359 --> 01:50:52.079 I love it. 01:50:52.239 --> 01:50:53.119 I love it. 01:50:53.680 --> 01:51:00.399 Jamie Dash asks,

would you get back in the game if an Olympia title was a 90% guarantee? 01:51:04.880 --> 01:51:07.119 Dude, I didn't, I won't I meant to say this earlier. 01:51:07.199 --> 01:51:11.600 I don't even know if I don't know how many of the people in the uh this audience have seen you in person, but holy fuck, dude. 01:51:11.680 --> 01:51:16.000 When I saw you at the Arnold in person, I was like, who the fuck is this guy? 01:51:16.239 --> 01:51:19.119 Yeah, like you you pop, dude. 01:51:19.279 --> 01:51:21.279 Like you don't see that shit on pictures. 01:51:21.520 --> 01:51:24.159 No, I you look crazy right now. 01:51:24.399 --> 01:51:24.800 Thank you. 01:51:24.880 --> 01:51:25.680 I appreciate it. 01:51:25.840 --> 01:51:26.880 Make me blush. 01:51:27.039 --> 01:51:29.039 Uh no, I appreciate it. 01:51:29.199 --> 01:51:35.680 It's I it's the training, it's it's uh the like I I it's that sculpting the physique. 01:51:35.760 --> 01:51:38.239 That's that part where I'm like, well, I just love training so much. 01:51:38.399 --> 01:51:44.880 But if I was guaranteed a 90% chance of winning, oh fuck. 01:51:50.640 --> 01:51:51.439 Sleep on it. 01:51:51.680 --> 01:51:52.720 I sleep on it, yeah. 01:51:52.800 --> 01:51:53.840 We'll go from there. 01:51:55.039 --> 01:51:59.279 Chris Wolf asks, uh, what's your favorite playlist song on Spotify to work out? 01:51:59.600 --> 01:52:00.640 Oh man. 01:52:02.239 --> 01:52:04.000 I love the old school shit. 01:52:04.159 --> 01:52:06.479 Here to Stay by Corn is one of my top songs. 01:52:06.640 --> 01:52:07.680 Oh, corn dude. 01:52:07.920 --> 01:52:08.560 Yeah. 01:52:09.600 --> 01:52:14.880 It's like there's certain songs that I've been listening to for so long at certain like movements. 01:52:15.119 --> 01:52:25.680 Whenever I get ready to fucking just run through uh incline dumbbells, like my like my top set, like the fucking 150s, and just gonna go till I go to failure. 01:52:25.840 --> 01:52:28.239 I'll put on Here to Stay by Corn. 01:52:28.880 --> 01:52:29.439 Yeah. 01:52:29.680 --> 01:52:30.640 That was a big one. 01:52:30.960 --> 01:52:33.279 Cut the Cord was another one. 01:52:34.880 --> 01:52:35.520 Yeah. 01:52:35.920 --> 01:52:36.239 Fire. 01:52:37.119 --> 01:52:38.399 Yeah, that's one song. 01:52:38.479 --> 01:52:39.439 We'll stay there, Seth. 01:52:39.520 --> 01:52:41.359 I'll I'll run off on like six episodes. 01:52:42.079 --> 01:52:42.960 I don't know why, dude. 01:52:43.039 --> 01:52:45.680 I just love doing heavy metal and heavy dubstep on back days. 01:52:45.760 --> 01:52:46.640 Like when I'm rowing. 01:52:46.800 --> 01:52:47.600 I don't know why it is. 01:52:47.680 --> 01:52:50.000 Maybe it's the headbanging movement, but I just fucking need to. 01:52:50.560 --> 01:52:50.800 Yes. 01:52:51.680 --> 01:52:52.159 That's it. 01:52:53.199 --> 01:52:56.640 It's fun that it's fun to I I I love all music. 01:52:56.720 --> 01:52:57.680 Like I love it all. 01:52:57.840 --> 01:53:06.000 Like it's just it's it's that part, like that creative side where you just listen to a music is a song and it can put you into a it'll take you somewhere completely different. 01:53:06.159 --> 01:53:07.279 It's wild, it's awesome. 01:53:07.359 --> 01:53:19.760 Yeah, but like there is something about the metal, like getting fucking just tunnel vision with metal when you're doing certain like if you're on a back day, there's nothing like it, dude. 01:53:19.920 --> 01:53:20.640 It's awesome. 01:53:20.880 --> 01:53:22.079 Fucking hits different. 01:53:22.319 --> 01:53:22.800 Yeah. 01:53:23.119 --> 01:53:26.319 The people who like listen to classical music are like silence when they're training. 01:53:26.399 --> 01:53:26.960 I gotta be real. 01:53:27.039 --> 01:53:28.239 I can't fucking do it, dude. 01:53:28.560 --> 01:53:29.520 I don't know how the fucking. 01:53:29.680 --> 01:53:30.880 Not what I'm training. 01:53:31.520 --> 01:53:33.039 Not what I'm training. 01:53:33.840 --> 01:53:36.640 I'll listen to like some Katy Perry or something before that. 01:53:36.800 --> 01:53:37.680 It's fire. 01:53:41.119 --> 01:53:42.479 Uh Dr. 01:53:42.640 --> 01:53:43.840 Jonathan, Dr. 01:53:44.000 --> 01:53:50.560 Jonathan Akey asks, what an absolute OG would love your take on balancing life altogether, life, gym, business. 01:53:50.880 --> 01:53:56.399 I will uh I will attest all of it to uh having a good woman. 01:53:57.520 --> 01:54:05.840 Uh if I didn't have the support and the love of Hannah, I don't think I wouldn't, I wouldn't balance things well. 01:54:06.000 --> 01:54:10.399 I wouldn't be able to be the dad that I am because she always has everything on lock. 01:54:10.560 --> 01:54:12.479 Like everything's taken care of. 01:54:13.039 --> 01:54:22.640 Uh like in and and in my and in my job is to make sure that I provide for the family and I, you know, create this environment, if you will. 01:54:22.880 --> 01:54:29.680 And uh, you know, she ran her gymnastics facility for si for six years, uh seven years. 01:54:29.920 --> 01:54:39.760 And, you know, she was full-time fucking gymnastics coach, but at the same time taking care of the kids and making sure everything was organized and dealing with all my bullshit or running the company. 01:54:39.920 --> 01:54:50.239 So I would say that her and I haven't having a very uh a very close relationship of communication. 01:54:50.560 --> 01:54:53.119 And she did a much better job of that than I did. 01:54:53.279 --> 01:55:04.000 Uh, but having the the good woman, like she just makes sure everything's on lock and I'm able to balance the intensity of the businesses, my training, um, and then you know, making sure I show up for the family. 01:55:04.159 --> 01:55:08.800 Because there's days that I'd be at work for 10 hours and then I'd also train for two. 01:55:08.960 --> 01:55:09.920 So 6 a.m. 01:55:10.079 --> 01:55:11.520 to 6 p.m., 7 p.m. 01:55:11.680 --> 01:55:12.319 to 7 p.m. 01:55:12.640 --> 01:55:21.279 And then I come home and like I'm awake

for another two hours, and I gotta eat and get cleaned up, and I got food ready for the next day. 01:55:21.359 --> 01:55:23.600 And I'm like, ooh, you a bad bitch. 01:55:23.760 --> 01:55:25.199 I love you a lot. 01:55:26.319 --> 01:55:26.960 A lot. 01:55:27.600 --> 01:55:28.880 Oh, that's awesome. 01:55:29.039 --> 01:55:30.640 Yeah, good woman. 01:55:30.960 --> 01:55:31.600 Oh yeah. 01:55:32.880 --> 01:55:37.920 Malik, Malik asks, uh, what is your favorite stock to run in the offseason? 01:55:38.159 --> 01:55:44.960 I was a big test, test anadraw, test D Ball, uh, and DECA. 01:55:45.199 --> 01:55:52.560 Did that a lot, and things have changed now, and I would not recommend that because it's just it's gonna blow you out. 01:55:52.720 --> 01:55:56.640 Uh, it's not that they're not effective, but those were the three drugs that I ran the most. 01:55:56.880 --> 01:56:02.800 For me, uh, what I would say is test primo and masteron. 01:56:04.319 --> 01:56:04.640 Yep. 01:56:04.960 --> 01:56:05.439 Five. 01:56:05.760 --> 01:56:15.039 I ran a few years ago, a couple years ago now, uh, whenever I ran test primo and mast, I was like, fuck me, is this wild? 01:56:15.520 --> 01:56:16.560 Completely different look. 01:56:16.640 --> 01:56:23.039 And then a decent dose of serasem, which high quality growth hormone can make a massive difference. 01:56:23.279 --> 01:56:25.520 Um, so yeah, that. 01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:27.359 Yeah. 01:56:27.680 --> 01:56:30.159 What was running four anagels a day like? 01:56:30.479 --> 01:56:31.199 I did three. 01:56:31.359 --> 01:56:32.159 I didn't jump the four. 01:56:32.560 --> 01:56:32.800 Three. 01:56:33.439 --> 01:56:34.239 Three, by bed. 01:56:34.720 --> 01:56:37.039 Uh, it was absolutely fucking maddening. 01:56:37.279 --> 01:56:41.039 Like you mentioned, you'd mentioned earlier about how they can change your mind. 01:56:41.279 --> 01:56:41.920 They do. 01:56:42.319 --> 01:56:44.239 I don't care what anybody says. 01:56:44.399 --> 01:56:51.760 Um, they will they will pronounce who you are more um because my intensity levels changed. 01:56:51.920 --> 01:56:53.600 Like I'm an intense guy to begin with. 01:56:53.680 --> 01:56:55.359 I'm fucking, I'm always in it. 01:56:55.439 --> 01:56:59.920 Like if I get a bug up my ass about something, motherfucker, I am in it. 01:57:00.239 --> 01:57:09.920 But whenever I was um when I was running high amounts of gear, I can't deny that my intensity levels of everything was even more pronounced. 01:57:10.079 --> 01:57:10.399 Yeah. 01:57:10.560 --> 01:57:12.960 Especially whenever you start running something like trend. 01:57:13.920 --> 01:57:23.119 I don't anybody that says trend doesn't change them is I think you might be taking trend right now in in in a state of denial. 01:57:23.279 --> 01:57:24.399 Um, and that's okay. 01:57:24.560 --> 01:57:25.439 It's okay. 01:57:25.760 --> 01:57:30.159 But it, I mean, it it does, it does have an effect on you. 01:57:30.399 --> 01:57:31.359 It does. 01:57:31.680 --> 01:57:34.239 Um, and some more than others, obviously. 01:57:34.399 --> 01:57:41.520 Some people, you know, I know people that were taking trend that didn't get the night sweats, and I'm like, man, everybody gets the night sweats. 01:57:41.600 --> 01:57:45.039 Like 95% of people I know that take trend and get the night sweats. 01:57:45.119 --> 01:57:45.840 It's kind of crazy. 01:57:46.000 --> 01:57:46.880 Is it real trend? 01:57:47.119 --> 01:57:50.640 And I'm like, you're hard as nails and you look fucking loud, so yes, it is. 01:57:51.279 --> 01:57:56.640 So it's uh yeah, yeah. 01:57:56.720 --> 01:58:00.880 I mean, it's just yeah, being mindful of it all. 01:58:02.159 --> 01:58:04.880 Yeah, yeah, it was nuts. 01:58:05.119 --> 01:58:09.840 I think the I think the one thing I disregarded was the nosebleeds. 01:58:11.199 --> 01:58:20.960 Like I'd be training if I was like, I remember doing shoulders and I was training shoulders fucking going crazy on a plate-loaded shoulder press, and like I'm fucking on my sixth rep. 01:58:21.199 --> 01:58:29.760 And I'm like, and it just goes, and like I was like, yes, I was like, oh fuck. 01:58:29.920 --> 01:58:33.760 I was like, I don't, I don't know, and I'm like, god damn it, Seth. 01:58:34.239 --> 01:58:36.319 But yeah, yeah. 01:58:36.720 --> 01:58:39.439 That's that part that's just it's fun to look back on and laugh. 01:58:39.520 --> 01:58:45.840 But I looked up like if I saw that happen in the gym to somebody today, I'd be like, oh, you're fucked. 01:58:47.680 --> 01:58:52.880 I felt like such a hardcore motherfucker when that would happen to me, but it was just because it was really dry up perdue when it was cold. 01:58:53.119 --> 01:58:53.520 Yeah. 01:58:54.159 --> 01:58:55.039 Straight up. 01:58:55.439 --> 01:58:58.319 Yeah, but the three was the three was quite people. 01:58:58.399 --> 01:59:00.239 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:59:00.720 --> 01:59:01.520 Good times. 01:59:01.760 --> 01:59:02.960 So many questions, man. 01:59:03.199 --> 01:59:06.079 Jackson Perks asks, uh, how did you get such big delts? 01:59:06.239 --> 01:59:07.760 And what's your favorite type of steak? 01:59:07.840 --> 01:59:09.039 How do you like it cooked? 01:59:09.760 --> 01:59:10.560 Big delts. 01:59:10.800 --> 01:59:12.239 I did a ton of sides. 01:59:12.399 --> 01:59:18.479 I believe in volume for certain exercise for certain body parts, like crazy high volume. 01:59:18.640 --> 01:59:24.479 Um, the the delts are one of them because you can get your delts to look bigger just by the shape of them. 01:59:24.720 --> 01:59:29.439 So, and the only way to do get bigger side delts is to do a fuckload of sides. 01:59:29.760 --> 01:59:33.439 So I think that you can just do a ridiculous amount of them. 01:59:33.680 --> 01:59:38.399 Uh, and it's one of those body parts that just can get beat the fucking hell in back. 01:59:38.800 --> 01:59:41.520 So why not trial and error and see what happens? 01:59:41.680 --> 01:59:44.640 I

don't think four sets of sides is enough to make your delts grow. 01:59:44.720 --> 01:59:52.000 Oh, just because they're they're they're utilized in every single exercise you're doing, so they can just take a beating. 01:59:52.159 --> 01:59:54.880 Well, then just do something off the wall to see. 01:59:54.960 --> 02:00:02.399 And I think that I mean, and it's cool hanging out in the fucking the lateral machine and just kind of just sitting there pumping your fucking sides. 02:00:02.479 --> 02:00:07.680 Let's do them heavy, let's do them light, let's do lots, let's so I believe in high volume. 02:00:08.079 --> 02:00:11.760 I think it can be high volume with heavy weight, high volume with low weight. 02:00:11.920 --> 02:00:13.680 Trial it out, see what it works. 02:00:14.000 --> 02:00:23.439 Steaks, uh a bone-in ribeye and bone-in fillet are my two yeah, those are my two favorite bone-in ribeye, bone-in fillet. 02:00:23.840 --> 02:00:26.560 Um, medium rare every time. 02:00:26.960 --> 02:00:31.680 Same I'd probably say bone-in, bone-in ribeye, medium rare. 02:00:32.319 --> 02:00:33.760 Dude, that's what I would say too. 02:00:35.439 --> 02:00:37.359 Oh my god, it's so fucking good, bro. 02:00:38.319 --> 02:00:43.279 I love the steaks are my the steak is my favorite food to eat, for sure, without a doubt. 02:00:43.439 --> 02:00:44.079 Red meat. 02:00:44.159 --> 02:00:44.479 I love it. 02:00:44.640 --> 02:00:45.279 Yeah, yeah. 02:00:45.359 --> 02:00:46.319 I'm I'm the same way. 02:00:46.399 --> 02:00:48.000 I just had a steak last night, actually. 02:00:48.640 --> 02:00:49.520 Was that BJ's? 02:00:49.680 --> 02:00:50.319 It was fire, bro. 02:00:50.560 --> 02:00:50.880 Right. 02:00:51.199 --> 02:00:51.439 Yeah. 02:00:51.600 --> 02:00:51.840 Yeah. 02:00:51.920 --> 02:01:03.119 When I uh I had uh I had underdeveloped shoulders in college, and um I remember listening to uh Jeff Nippard's Ice Cream for PR's podcast before he started posting all the science-based YouTube videos. 02:01:03.279 --> 02:01:07.199 Okay, and uh they were talking about DUP daily undulating periodization. 02:01:07.359 --> 02:01:10.079 So I just came up with this idea for the next two years. 02:01:10.319 --> 02:01:26.640 I'm gonna change up my my training program, and for three days of every week, I hit sh I hit lateral raises, and on the first day it was about an eight to ten rep range, second day was about 12 to 15, and then the last day was 20 plus reps. 02:01:27.279 --> 02:01:31.520 And uh I would do eight sets every single day of those three days. 02:01:31.680 --> 02:01:35.520 Yeah, fucking juicy, 24 juicy sets, and then that shit blew the fuck up, man. 02:01:35.760 --> 02:01:36.800 Should blew the fuck up. 02:01:37.199 --> 02:01:37.760 That's what I mean. 02:01:37.840 --> 02:01:44.479 I'm like, oh, let's try let's try some heavy sets, let's do some light sets, just do a fuckload of them and see what happens. 02:01:44.960 --> 02:01:46.960 Because and that's the thing with delts, dude. 02:01:47.600 --> 02:01:50.720 Great arms and great delts change a physique. 02:01:51.039 --> 02:01:53.359 They will completely change a physique. 02:01:53.439 --> 02:02:00.880 If you and same goes if you have underdeveloped arms or underdeveloped delts, it will have a drastic effect on your physique. 02:02:01.600 --> 02:02:12.399 Shreban professional asks advice for a young father pursuing his passion, wanting to give them the world 24, 24 hours a day isn't enough. 02:02:13.199 --> 02:02:15.600 Yeah, 24 hours in a day and enough. 02:02:16.880 --> 02:02:19.920 You're going, that's the thing, you know, you're just gonna learn through it. 02:02:20.000 --> 02:02:21.199 You just learn through it. 02:02:21.439 --> 02:02:36.000 Go at your own pace, but understand that uh it's gonna be tough, and that's why you need the good woman, because there might be days when you sleep five hours a day for a month, and that's all you get because you're pursuing your passion and your dream. 02:02:36.159 --> 02:02:38.239 So you're gonna have to sacrifice somewhere. 02:02:38.479 --> 02:02:40.560 Something is going to be sacrificed. 02:02:40.720 --> 02:02:56.319 And if you don't have a good woman that understands your passion and what you're going after, uh those sacrifices um will be limited, and then which could potentially limit your possibilities of pursuing your passion. 02:02:56.800 --> 02:03:09.520 Um, and you know, I there's times in my life whenever I didn't uh spend a lot of time with my kids because work was a priority, and I needed to make work a priority in order for it to get better. 02:03:09.680 --> 02:03:17.279 So having a good woman was allowing me to make sure that I could prioritize work over home life for a certain period of time. 02:03:17.520 --> 02:03:30.319 And that it it you and you have to learn your own dance, you gotta learn your own life, and you'll find that it'll just take time, be open, but and be communicate with your woman. 02:03:31.119 --> 02:03:32.000 Very important. 02:03:34.479 --> 02:03:40.239 Um Asperco asks, aside from the winners, were you impressed with any other physiques in in Detroit? 02:03:41.840 --> 02:03:44.960 Uh yeah, yeah, I don't know their names. 02:03:45.199 --> 02:03:49.119 Uh but the one that I I really liked was Chris Miller. 02:03:49.359 --> 02:03:50.880 Um, he was in the open. 02:03:51.119 --> 02:03:55.039 And then uh Nigel was the guest poser. 02:03:55.680 --> 02:03:57.119 I don't know his last name. 02:03:57.199 --> 02:04:00.479 He was the classic, uh classic physique guy, Nigel. 02:04:01.840 --> 02:04:03.520 Um, you mean Nile? 02:04:03.920 --> 02:04:04.479 Is it Nile? 02:04:05.199 --> 02:04:05.439 Yeah, yeah. 02:04:05.600 --> 02:04:06.960 Are you talking about One Punch Man? 02:04:07.039 --> 02:04:07.760 Or One Punch? 02:04:08.079 --> 02:04:08.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 02:04:08.960 --> 02:04:10.399 Yeah, I've never seen him before. 02:04:10.560 --> 02:04:12.560 I feel like an idiot for never seeing

him before. 02:04:12.640 --> 02:04:16.079 I was like, hey, I was like, who the fuck is this guy? 02:04:16.319 --> 02:04:16.640 Right. 02:04:16.800 --> 02:04:22.319 And I was like, this is the one of the craziest physiques I've ever seen, like in a long time. 02:04:22.560 --> 02:04:24.319 I was like, this guy is not a classic. 02:04:24.560 --> 02:04:28.159 I was like, he should not be classic, he needs to be in the fucking open. 02:04:28.319 --> 02:04:37.199 I was like, that would be crazy an open one year, one year with somebody that's focused on this guy growing. 02:04:37.359 --> 02:04:39.520 I think he'd be a top 10 Olympian. 02:04:39.760 --> 02:04:43.439 Bro, it was fucking massive in person. 02:04:43.840 --> 02:04:48.560 Looking at him on stage, I'm like, this dude would fucking cause a huge problem for people. 02:04:48.960 --> 02:04:49.600 Huge. 02:04:50.319 --> 02:04:52.960 Dude was freak in person. 02:04:53.279 --> 02:04:53.680 Yeah. 02:04:53.840 --> 02:04:54.880 I thought it was Nigel. 02:04:54.960 --> 02:04:55.279 My bad. 02:04:55.359 --> 02:04:56.800 I knew it was the one punch man guy. 02:04:56.960 --> 02:04:57.520 Yeah, yeah. 02:04:57.840 --> 02:04:58.000 Yeah. 02:04:58.399 --> 02:05:11.920 You got uh, I don't remember who it was who who on the brochat was talking about it, but uh, you guys were talking about Niall at some point in one of the episodes, and some some guys reach out to me and they're like, yo, dude, yo, Nile, you fucking made it, man. 02:05:12.319 --> 02:05:14.880 I was like, Doctor, not talking about me. 02:05:15.119 --> 02:05:16.239 They were talking about me. 02:05:17.439 --> 02:05:19.359 They were talking about me, dude. 02:05:20.079 --> 02:05:23.039 Oh yeah, Nile's crazy though. 02:05:23.119 --> 02:05:31.680 Um, my boy Andy Peretta said uh when they were together backstage at Olympia, like it's just like they're around the same weight cap, but Niall was just in a different league from him. 02:05:31.840 --> 02:05:39.199 And I think uh Nile gained like I think it was over 10 pounds that he gained since his weigh-in to when he stepped on stage. 02:05:39.920 --> 02:05:40.479 He was twenty. 02:05:40.800 --> 02:05:48.319 I think they said he was 24 or 28 pounds bigger at the Detroit than he was the week before at the Arnold. 02:05:48.479 --> 02:05:49.359 What the fuck, dude? 02:05:49.520 --> 02:05:50.079 Because that's what I said. 02:05:50.159 --> 02:05:51.920 I was like, this guy's not fucking classic. 02:05:52.000 --> 02:05:55.359 I was like, there's no way that guy's what that what at his fucking height. 02:05:55.439 --> 02:05:57.359 They were like, yeah, he's up 24, 28. 02:05:57.439 --> 02:05:58.319 I can't remember what it was. 02:05:58.479 --> 02:06:00.319 And I was like, that is ludicrous. 02:06:00.479 --> 02:06:03.119 The guy, he was a freak, incredible. 02:06:03.199 --> 02:06:09.600 I'm I'm I'm like, I was like, hey, like one off season, one full year. 02:06:10.319 --> 02:06:12.800 This dude would cause massive

problems. 02:06:13.119 --> 02:06:14.079 Massive problems. 02:06:14.319 --> 02:06:14.720 Yeah. 02:06:14.960 --> 02:06:15.119 Yeah. 02:06:16.640 --> 02:06:17.680 Let's see in the open. 02:06:17.920 --> 02:06:18.960 Yeah, I'd love it. 02:06:19.119 --> 02:06:23.680 Uh Andrew Garcia asks preferred low-risk gear protocol to stage act as we age. 02:06:23.920 --> 02:06:25.680 I'll I'll keep referring back to it. 02:06:25.840 --> 02:06:26.880 Test and Primo. 02:06:27.359 --> 02:06:29.439 I I'm the same way. 02:06:30.319 --> 02:06:31.520 Great, great combo. 02:06:31.680 --> 02:06:33.199 Uh, mast is great as well. 02:06:33.359 --> 02:06:35.199 Primo's hard to find right now. 02:06:35.439 --> 02:06:44.000 Um, I mean, the guys, at least from what people have been telling me, Ty was like, he's like, hard to find real primo right now. 02:06:44.159 --> 02:06:46.960 So I've been asking a couple people that I know. 02:06:47.119 --> 02:06:49.680 Um, and yeah, it because it's a hot commodity. 02:06:49.920 --> 02:06:51.840 Because it's real Primo. 02:06:52.159 --> 02:06:57.119 People, you can get it, and it might say primobolent on there, but it's not primobolent. 02:06:57.439 --> 02:07:08.159 Uh so, but yeah, I I think that's uh it's a it's uh you know, moderate to low sides, um, and quality gains, it's just expensive. 02:07:08.399 --> 02:07:09.039 Yeah. 02:07:09.359 --> 02:07:10.000 Yeah. 02:07:10.560 --> 02:07:15.359 Um, PPL Dad kind of related asks most underrated and overrated PD. 02:07:15.600 --> 02:07:18.560 I like growth hormone like a a lot. 02:07:18.720 --> 02:07:23.520 I was like, quality growth hormone, yeah, it's just just feels so much better. 02:07:23.760 --> 02:07:29.439 But at the same time, uh you don't I think that you you don't need it. 02:07:29.840 --> 02:07:34.640 So I I don't know if I want to put it in an overrated category, because I like it a lot. 02:07:34.880 --> 02:07:45.920 Um but at that same point, like it's yeah, you don't like I I hear everybody say, once I take growth hormone, I'm like, uh it's not the end all be all. 02:07:46.000 --> 02:07:56.720 It it has a I like it a lot, like I said, but I don't think it has something to state that you need to always be on it if you're a competitor. 02:07:56.960 --> 02:07:57.119 Yeah. 02:07:57.520 --> 02:08:02.000 Um, you know, I take a low dose of it now, like take two I use a day, and I'm like, I love it. 02:08:02.079 --> 02:08:05.279 I feel great, sleep great, the body feels wonderful. 02:08:05.439 --> 02:08:10.640 Um, but if you took it away, I'd probably just not sleep as well and feel like shit. 02:08:12.800 --> 02:08:14.000 At least in my head. 02:08:14.239 --> 02:08:16.800 Uh I uh underrated? 02:08:17.760 --> 02:08:18.720 I don't know. 02:08:19.359 --> 02:08:20.319 I don't know. 02:08:21.840 --> 02:08:25.359 I think I think it's got to the point now that everybody knows Primo is great. 02:08:25.680 --> 02:08:33.119 Because it used to be years and years ago Primo wasn't uh widely used, and not like it is today. 02:08:33.439 --> 02:08:36.079 It was kind of almost uh water. 02:08:36.479 --> 02:08:36.960 Yeah. 02:08:37.279 --> 02:08:38.479 Like, what are you gonna take? 02:08:38.720 --> 02:08:40.479 Fucking 400 megs of primo? 02:08:40.800 --> 02:08:43.760 And it's like, well, yeah, yeah, you should. 02:08:44.159 --> 02:08:47.119 If you take eight, it's gonna be fucking crazy. 02:08:47.680 --> 02:08:49.039 So yeah. 02:08:49.359 --> 02:08:50.319 I don't know. 02:08:51.600 --> 02:09:06.800 I really just stick to I I just stick to like those four main drugs test, primo, mast, growth, and then use the other ones just sprinkling them in there in the toolbox. 02:09:07.279 --> 02:09:14.560 Like whenever we're working with Thai or I'm giving advice to other people, like all the results that we've gotten with Thai, I'm like, hey, dude, you don't need much else. 02:09:14.720 --> 02:09:18.159 Like when it comes to prep, yeah, you can dig in to get some shit. 02:09:18.399 --> 02:09:22.479 But growing, I mean, yeah, it's changed. 02:09:22.800 --> 02:09:26.319 Rickham asks, if your son wants the bodybuild, would you let him? 02:09:26.720 --> 02:09:33.359 I'm big on the I'm going to, I'm right now, I'm guiding Adeline, no longer raising her. 02:09:33.439 --> 02:09:34.399 She's 18. 02:09:34.560 --> 02:09:38.560 Um, she gets to make the decisions that she's going to live with in her life. 02:09:38.720 --> 02:09:43.119 And I really, I really am a very big proponent of, hey, this is your life. 02:09:43.359 --> 02:09:53.119 You do with it what you want, but whenever you start choosing to do, shit that has intense consequences, they're on you. 02:09:53.279 --> 02:09:55.279 I'm not here to fucking save you. 02:09:55.439 --> 02:09:56.880 I will help you. 02:09:57.199 --> 02:10:02.159 But like, if you're gonna go, if he wants to go down that rabbit hole, I mean, I'm gonna educate him on everything. 02:10:02.239 --> 02:10:13.600 Like I've educated Adeline on life and drugs and what it's like, and she knows my past, and she's, you know, these podcasts are public, and everybody knows that Seth has done some crazy shit and she knows it. 02:10:13.680 --> 02:10:16.079 And I'm like, good, you are allowed to have this understanding. 02:10:16.239 --> 02:10:22.399 You were allowed to know this stuff, but you have to now you get to, it's your choice on what you do with it. 02:10:22.640 --> 02:10:23.439 I can guide you. 02:10:23.520 --> 02:10:24.880 If you have questions, ask me. 02:10:24.960 --> 02:10:26.000 I will tell you the truth. 02:10:26.159 --> 02:10:27.840 I will not fucking lie to you. 02:10:28.000 --> 02:10:29.039 I don't think that. 02:10:29.119 --> 02:10:31.199 I mean, will I lie to my 12-year-old about things? 02:10:31.279 --> 02:10:32.800 Yeah, yeah, she's 12. 02:10:33.119 --> 02:10:34.800 She doesn't need to know the same thing. 02:10:35.680 --> 02:10:37.920 It's common knowledge, guys. 02:10:38.000 --> 02:10:38.640 Come on. 02:10:38.960 -->

02:10:48.399 But um uh if he chooses to do that, it's yeah, like I I plan on educating my kids on on life and everything so that way they can make these decisions. 02:10:48.720 --> 02:10:58.479 And, you know, people told me not to do certain things, and my uh my my love for fucking with authority was like, you know I shouldn't do it. 02:10:58.640 --> 02:11:00.319 Well, now yeah, I want to do it even more. 02:11:00.479 --> 02:11:03.760 Like that stupid thing that would go on in my head. 02:11:03.920 --> 02:11:06.560 But yeah, I'd be cool with it if he wants to. 02:11:06.720 --> 02:11:12.800 But he's gotta know that this shit has consequences, and you gotta live with them, not me, but right. 02:11:13.039 --> 02:11:13.680 Yeah, yeah. 02:11:13.840 --> 02:11:14.079 Yeah. 02:11:14.319 --> 02:11:16.319 It's fucking awesome watching him spot you. 02:11:16.800 --> 02:11:19.039 Ah, bro, he's so fucking cool. 02:11:19.199 --> 02:11:20.720 He's this kid, he's an animal. 02:11:20.800 --> 02:11:21.840 It's so wild. 02:11:22.000 --> 02:11:22.800 It's so cool. 02:11:22.960 --> 02:11:23.680 I love it. 02:11:24.159 --> 02:11:28.319 He doesn't, and the thing is, like, he watches everybody in the family. 02:11:28.399 --> 02:11:32.960 He watches me, my wife Hannah, Addy, and Emmy, his sisters. 02:11:33.199 --> 02:11:34.720 He watches them all work. 02:11:34.880 --> 02:11:36.479 Like Emmy with gymnastics. 02:11:36.560 --> 02:11:38.239 She trains 25 to 30 hours a week. 02:11:38.319 --> 02:11:40.640 Adwin's always into something, schoolwork. 02:11:40.800 --> 02:11:42.000 Now she's in track. 02:11:42.239 --> 02:11:48.079 Hannah and I always were always going to the gym and we prioritize working out and working hard and driveway workouts. 02:11:48.319 --> 02:11:50.720 Bro, that kid don't know any different. 02:11:51.520 --> 02:11:54.720 He's like, I'm fucking supposed to do this. 02:11:55.760 --> 02:11:57.920 And I'm like, Yeah, you are, motherfucker. 02:11:58.079 --> 02:12:00.560 So he's just, I'm I love it. 02:12:00.640 --> 02:12:01.439 It's so cool. 02:12:01.760 --> 02:12:02.399 So cool. 02:12:03.199 --> 02:12:04.640 Yeah, that's dope, man. 02:12:05.119 --> 02:12:08.960 Um I I forgot to ask you this earlier, actually, because we were talking about lateral raises though. 02:12:09.039 --> 02:12:16.960 But uh do you think how much do you think overhead presses are worth and important to shoulder growth? 02:12:17.439 --> 02:12:18.000 All right. 02:12:18.399 --> 02:12:21.119 I do think uh yeah. 02:12:22.000 --> 02:12:25.199 You how do I want to say this? 02:12:25.439 --> 02:12:28.880 I think they're very important for overall shoulder development. 02:12:29.199 --> 02:12:32.000 They are fucking high priority. 02:12:32.239 --> 02:12:38.159 Um, but in the sense of your level of training. 02:12:38.319 --> 02:12:46.239 Like if you're a beginner, I am not an advocate for you doing fucking barbell presses over the head if you're a beginner. 02:12:46.479 --> 02:12:51.199 Just because you your body has to develop and you have to you have to build all the muscles up. 02:12:51.439 --> 02:12:56.239 I mean, if you're cool with doing the tens on each side starting out or the 25s, absolutely. 02:12:56.399 --> 02:12:58.000 But nobody likes doing that. 02:12:58.159 --> 02:13:11.680 So that's where the risk of injury comes in whenever you think that you need to put 135 over your head, and it's like, no, that was a bad idea, because the form on overhead presses with on with any type of free weight is a lot. 02:13:12.399 --> 02:13:17.119 Um because it's way, it's a way more difficult exercise than people think. 02:13:17.600 --> 02:13:19.279 Like, how do I put the dumbbells? 02:13:19.439 --> 02:13:21.359 Like, how far am I supposed to come down? 02:13:21.520 --> 02:13:25.840 Like, right, where's my what am I supposed to be straight up and down at 90 degrees? 02:13:25.920 --> 02:13:30.640 Or or they told me I saw online that you're a pussy if you lean back too much. 02:13:30.880 --> 02:13:35.359 Yeah, I mean, like it's it's super confusing, and it's like, because this exercise is dangerous. 02:13:35.600 --> 02:13:37.600 Like hoisten up heavier dumbbells, dude. 02:13:37.680 --> 02:13:40.720 It's easy to twinge your shoulder or cause a problem. 02:13:41.279 --> 02:13:47.840 Uh so machine work, the plate-loaded stuff now is awesome. 02:13:48.079 --> 02:13:51.920 Um, but yeah, I am a I'm an advocate for overhead presses. 02:13:52.079 --> 02:13:52.640 Oh, sick. 02:13:52.880 --> 02:14:01.199 And once you get it to that intermediate level, I do believe that heavy dumbbell presses and moderate to heavier barbell presses are beneficial. 02:14:01.520 --> 02:14:02.319 Okay, got it. 02:14:03.359 --> 02:14:06.479 GJ DJ Kraftmatic asks, uh tits. 02:14:06.720 --> 02:14:08.880 Love your Pittsburgh ac accent and love for family. 02:14:09.039 --> 02:14:10.079 Always been a fan. 02:14:10.319 --> 02:14:12.239 The Pittsburgh accent's heavy. 02:14:13.039 --> 02:14:15.119 Uh I'm I'm an ass man. 02:14:15.279 --> 02:14:16.560 I am an ass man. 02:14:16.960 --> 02:14:17.520 Love them. 02:14:18.079 --> 02:14:19.119 Butt cheeks, dude. 02:14:19.199 --> 02:14:22.960 Can't like you gotta like them, dude. 02:14:23.680 --> 02:14:26.880 I don't know how you couldn't if you're a bodybuilder, honestly. 02:14:27.600 --> 02:14:28.319 Yeah, dude. 02:14:28.399 --> 02:14:34.399 It's the I'm I am I think the human body is incredibly fascinating. 02:14:34.640 --> 02:14:38.560 I that that's that training aspect, but also what what someone can do with it. 02:14:38.720 --> 02:14:41.279 Like, we were watching the wellness girls, bro. 02:14:41.600 --> 02:14:43.279 Jesus, dude, that's crazy, man. 02:14:44.800 --> 02:14:49.119 One of the wildest things I've ever seen in person. 02:14:49.840 --> 02:14:57.920 Like we were so we were up close, and I'm looking at these girls, and I'm like, I look at Ty, I'm like, bro, I was like, their legs are bigger than yours. 02:14:58.640 -->

02:14:59.760 They're bigger than yours. 02:14:59.840 --> 02:15:01.199 This is fucking insane. 02:15:01.279 --> 02:15:06.239 Yeah, their glutes were reaching like like halfway down their hamstring. 02:15:07.439 --> 02:15:10.159 It was it was mind-blowing. 02:15:10.399 --> 02:15:19.439 I was like, in the offseason, these broads legs, they're they're they're massive, they have to be because they're peeled out of their mind. 02:15:19.600 --> 02:15:23.039 Yeah, and I'm like, dude, in the offseason, these girls are huge, dude. 02:15:23.279 --> 02:15:23.840 Huge. 02:15:24.079 --> 02:15:25.119 That's insane, dude. 02:15:25.279 --> 02:15:26.479 Real life centaurs. 02:15:26.960 --> 02:15:28.399 Yeah, yeah, yes. 02:15:31.840 --> 02:15:40.399 Uh Bissell asks, um, do you have any experience with SLU or five of them, you know, one MQ, or maybe any of any one of those mitochondrial peptides? 02:15:41.119 --> 02:15:42.640 I don't know anything about them. 02:15:42.800 --> 02:15:52.239 I feel like because I was watching, there's a a clip of Jay and Phil going around, a youngin's asking them, and they were like, dude, we don't know anything about this stuff. 02:15:52.399 --> 02:16:00.000 Like they said it too, and I'm like, man, it's crazy that it's becoming, you know, it's popularized, and and I just don't know enough about them. 02:16:00.319 --> 02:16:02.560 I don't know if I want to learn about them. 02:16:03.680 --> 02:16:05.520 Cause then I'd have to take them. 02:16:05.920 --> 02:16:09.760 And I don't want to, like I said, I don't want to like anything more than I already do. 02:16:10.079 --> 02:16:11.600 So I get it. 02:16:11.760 --> 02:16:12.640 I don't even get it. 02:16:15.039 --> 02:16:23.840 Uh why it, why sorry, why why I know why, and I still fuck up his last name. 02:16:23.920 --> 02:16:24.560 Boop will. 02:16:24.960 --> 02:16:25.760 My bad brother. 02:16:25.920 --> 02:16:28.319 Uh, training frequency for deeper muscle cuts. 02:16:28.479 --> 02:16:31.439 Um, he's mentioned that's how he built his shoulders. 02:16:32.000 --> 02:16:37.520 Um, yeah, so uh the volume side, that's what I was alluding to with the volume. 02:16:37.680 --> 02:16:49.360 Uh with your shoulders, I I'm uh like I was saying, I think that you could just beat the shit out of them because you want to have that three-dimensional round shoulder. 02:16:49.600 --> 02:16:59.440 And it's like I want my delts, that silhouette, I want the traps into the delts that cut into my triceps, and my triceps like come back out. 02:16:59.600 --> 02:17:05.600 So, like whatever you're looking at, it's like the sh the traps, the delts, and then they pop in in with the triceps. 02:17:05.920 --> 02:17:10.879 Um, so I mean, like you even said you did 24 sets a week. 02:17:10.959 --> 02:17:23.040 Bro, I would do 10 sets on shoulder day of sides, and then on chest day, which I typically did on Monday or Tuesday, and then shoulders were on Thursdays or Fridays. 02:17:23.280 --> 02:17:26.639 I'd do, you know,

another six sets on shoulder on chest day. 02:17:26.719 --> 02:17:35.520 So I mean, I was doing 16, you did 24, and then it would change on the the the weights in the uh rep range as well. 02:17:35.760 --> 02:17:45.280 Heavier on chest day, or yeah, you know, moderate to heavy on uh shoulder day, crazy drop sets, strip sets, running the rack up, running the rack down. 02:17:45.520 --> 02:17:46.559 Fuck yeah. 02:17:47.040 --> 02:17:47.840 Oh yeah. 02:17:48.079 --> 02:17:48.719 Yeah. 02:17:49.280 --> 02:17:51.760 Get cooked says uh just do your thing, bro. 02:17:51.840 --> 02:17:52.879 It's gonna be a great one. 02:17:53.680 --> 02:17:54.159 Fire. 02:17:55.040 --> 02:17:59.680 Um, and Playtelifter's asking, when are you dropping uh a new podcast episode? 02:17:59.920 --> 02:18:00.319 All right. 02:18:00.479 --> 02:18:03.600 I'm uh I'm working on building out my facility. 02:18:03.840 --> 02:18:05.440 Everything is being revamped. 02:18:05.520 --> 02:18:08.239 All my content, everything's being revamped. 02:18:08.399 --> 02:18:11.200 Uh April. 02:18:12.719 --> 02:18:17.360 April will be the unveiling of the facility and the new podcast. 02:18:17.600 --> 02:18:18.239 Hell yeah. 02:18:19.440 --> 02:18:20.559 I'll be staying tuned. 02:18:20.799 --> 02:18:22.000 Fuck yeah, dude. 02:18:22.319 --> 02:18:25.280 Building Daniel says, uh, it seems like you're always being productive. 02:18:25.440 --> 02:18:27.200 Are there days where you don't want to be? 02:18:27.440 --> 02:18:28.079 Yes. 02:18:29.120 --> 02:18:35.840 At least a better, I feel like a better uh another phrasing would be like are there days that you aren't? 02:18:36.799 --> 02:18:37.280 Yeah. 02:18:37.520 --> 02:18:41.280 I have uh depend it's all, you know, what is product? 02:18:41.360 --> 02:18:42.319 What do you what do you mean? 02:18:42.399 --> 02:18:43.840 You know, are you not productive? 02:18:44.079 --> 02:18:47.520 Yes, I uh there's a lot of days whenever I don't want to be. 02:18:47.760 --> 02:18:51.040 Um and then I just kind of like I I got shit to do. 02:18:51.200 --> 02:18:51.440 Yeah. 02:18:51.600 --> 02:19:02.319 Uh but I'd probably say probably once a month whenever I whenever uh like Hanna and I'll just be like, hey, like I don't want to fucking go anywhere. 02:19:02.559 --> 02:19:09.280 Like it'll typically be a Sunday if we're not traveling or something, and we're just like, let's just let's just kind of hang out. 02:19:09.360 --> 02:19:12.159 And at those days we, you know, her and I will spend time together. 02:19:12.239 --> 02:19:20.959 We're still prepping food and we're still, you know, making food for the kids and prepping for the week, but it's just where we're not rushing around to do anything. 02:19:21.200 --> 02:19:22.399 That's really what it is. 02:19:22.639 --> 02:19:28.000 We we kind of like fuck everything, it's just do our shit and love each other. 02:19:28.639 --> 02:19:29.520 Oh yeah, yeah. 02:19:29.680 --> 02:19:31.840 Yeah, mine are always Sundays, always. 02:19:32.079 --> 02:19:32.399 Yeah. 02:19:32.639 --> 02:19:34.159 It's not even intentionally. 02:19:35.040 --> 02:19:37.760 All right, let's just ask a couple more because I kept you for so long. 02:19:38.079 --> 02:19:38.479 No worries. 02:19:38.559 --> 02:19:39.600 Yeah, you're good, dude. 02:19:39.760 --> 02:19:41.680 Uh Yoseba Ipara. 02:19:42.719 --> 02:19:43.680 I'm sorry, bro. 02:19:43.760 --> 02:19:45.360 I never say your full last name. 02:19:45.520 --> 02:19:47.440 I'm just too fucking scared. 02:19:47.680 --> 02:19:51.200 What's the best piece of advice you were given as a young man? 02:19:52.159 --> 02:19:52.799 Hmm. 02:19:54.799 --> 02:19:57.280 We talked a little bit about it earlier. 02:19:57.600 --> 02:20:01.680 Um finding out who you are is super important in life. 02:20:01.920 --> 02:20:04.959 Like what you like, what you want. 02:20:05.200 --> 02:20:08.559 Um I'm I was talking a little bit about energies earlier. 02:20:08.719 --> 02:20:12.079 Uh I'm also very big in believing in manifestation. 02:20:12.639 --> 02:20:16.959 Like, I think that your mind is the most incredible thing in the world. 02:20:17.120 --> 02:20:19.680 Like you can, you have the power to do anything. 02:20:19.920 --> 02:20:24.239 Uh whenever you get something in your head, like you can make that happen. 02:20:24.399 --> 02:20:29.440 And I believe in that visualization, believing in yourself, that manifestation. 02:20:29.760 --> 02:20:35.440 But none of that, none of that fucking matters until you like know who you are. 02:20:35.600 --> 02:20:38.879 Like, and it's okay to not know who you are. 02:20:39.120 --> 02:20:42.639 It's okay to like uh like be like, I'm just lost. 02:20:42.719 --> 02:20:43.760 I don't know who I am. 02:20:44.079 --> 02:20:44.559 Great. 02:20:44.719 --> 02:20:46.319 That's a starting point. 02:20:46.879 --> 02:20:49.280 So let's try to find out who you are. 02:20:49.440 --> 02:20:50.799 Find out the things that you want. 02:20:50.879 --> 02:20:53.760 Start thinking about things that you could see yourself doing in life. 02:20:54.000 --> 02:20:55.120 What do you do for a living? 02:20:55.280 --> 02:20:56.239 Where are you going? 02:20:56.479 --> 02:21:01.760 Start asking yourselves who I say, ask yourself, who are you and what do you stand for? 02:21:02.000 --> 02:21:03.040 Don't use your name. 02:21:03.120 --> 02:21:06.639 Don't say I'm Seth Farosi, and I stand for the good. 02:21:06.879 --> 02:21:08.079 Okay, Dickhead. 02:21:08.159 --> 02:21:08.959 Great, great. 02:21:09.840 --> 02:21:10.159 No. 02:21:10.879 --> 02:21:12.000 Who are you? 02:21:12.399 --> 02:21:15.040 Well, I am a workaholic. 02:21:15.520 --> 02:21:16.959 I work constantly. 02:21:17.200 --> 02:21:18.159 I love it. 02:21:18.639 --> 02:21:20.159 I love being a dad. 02:21:20.559 --> 02:21:33.840 I think it's the greatest thing that uh man can do is just you know reproduce and and start having start saying things about who you are, just without using your name and

uh and go from there. 02:21:33.920 --> 02:21:39.680 And then also that visualization side and the manifestation, you believe in those things because they're true. 02:21:39.760 --> 02:21:42.879 If you see something, you're like, I want this to occur. 02:21:42.959 --> 02:21:47.280 All right, start mapping out how it could occur and then see yourself doing it. 02:21:47.440 --> 02:21:52.959 Because if you don't ever see yourself doing something, are you ever going to do it? 02:21:53.200 --> 02:21:55.440 Like put yourself there and it's super uncomfortable. 02:21:55.520 --> 02:21:58.399 It might make you scared, might make you uncomfortable. 02:21:58.639 --> 02:21:59.360 Fuck it. 02:21:59.600 --> 02:22:02.159 Like, who cares if you feel uncomfortable about it? 02:22:02.319 --> 02:22:06.479 Like, did I ever see myself on the Olympia stage? 02:22:07.200 --> 02:22:12.239 You know, if I didn't visualize myself, then there's no way it could ever happen. 02:22:12.479 --> 02:22:16.079 You I mean, there is, but it's like I it's not gonna be as strong. 02:22:16.159 --> 02:22:18.559 It's not gonna sit on the on the front of your head. 02:22:18.799 --> 02:22:20.719 Like, start believing in yourself. 02:22:20.959 --> 02:22:25.520 But you think um understanding who you are. 02:22:26.239 --> 02:22:27.280 What do you stand for? 02:22:27.440 --> 02:22:28.719 What are you gonna do with your life? 02:22:28.879 --> 02:22:37.840 You were given this beautiful gift that is so incredible with this this mind, this body, this opportunity that you have. 02:22:38.079 --> 02:22:38.879 Don't waste it. 02:22:39.040 --> 02:22:40.799 Don't believe it's for nothing. 02:22:41.520 --> 02:22:44.399 Just start living and find out who you are. 02:22:44.639 --> 02:22:48.319 Meet meet people, put yourself out there, be yourself. 02:22:48.479 --> 02:22:50.239 But again, you gotta find out who you are. 02:22:50.319 --> 02:23:06.319 If you want to be yourself, like don't be afraid to hold back if you have, you know, any feelings and don't get locked down or stuck by staring at a screen all day or worrying too much about what people think of you. 02:23:06.559 --> 02:23:07.680 Don't do that. 02:23:08.239 --> 02:23:16.079 Go to the gym, meet people, go out to eat, do random things with random people that uh are positive, you know. 02:23:16.159 --> 02:23:24.559 Don't go doing stupid shit, but it's like just, you know, get your gym bros and go out to go get something to eat after you're done at the gym and talk about life. 02:23:24.799 --> 02:23:27.920 You know, it's don't get locked into your phone. 02:23:28.000 --> 02:23:29.040 Don't do that. 02:23:29.280 --> 02:23:30.719 That's that's a big one. 02:23:30.879 --> 02:23:31.520 Yeah. 02:23:31.840 --> 02:23:33.120 Life is very cool. 02:23:33.280 --> 02:23:34.079 It's super cool. 02:23:34.159 --> 02:23:35.440 There's a lot of really cool people out there. 02:23:35.520 --> 02:23:43.680 I mean, the Arnold was a perfect example of you and I meeting, you

know, that putting yourself out there and just experiencing life. 02:23:44.239 --> 02:23:44.879 Yeah. 02:23:45.200 --> 02:23:46.639 Yeah, I agree. 02:23:46.959 --> 02:23:49.280 Because it's really hard being a young man right now. 02:23:50.159 --> 02:24:07.840 I can only imagine a lot of these uh 20, early 20s, um, young men seeing these super flashy, um, expensive, materialistic things out there that young men have and think that that is the end all be all to life. 02:24:08.159 --> 02:24:09.120 It is not. 02:24:09.680 --> 02:24:10.319 It is not. 02:24:10.559 --> 02:24:13.520 I have I have a lot of really great things in my life. 02:24:13.680 --> 02:24:21.520 Um, I have very nice things in my life, but I will say that some of the greatest things that I have are the relationships with people. 02:24:21.760 --> 02:24:24.079 And I'm not just saying that because I have these things. 02:24:24.159 --> 02:24:27.840 It's like, dude, 10 years ago, I didn't have any money. 02:24:28.079 --> 02:24:36.799 I didn't have anything, and I and I have nice things now, but I'm like, I have the greatest relationships with people I've ever had. 02:24:37.040 --> 02:24:39.920 Yeah and it's ride those things, dude. 02:24:40.079 --> 02:24:51.440 Experience life and going out and doing those things will lead to that will lead you to the money that will lead you to more uh to to bettering your lifestyle. 02:24:51.680 --> 02:24:56.799 Because you're hanging out with people you should hang out with people that want to do better in life, that don't bring you down. 02:24:56.879 --> 02:25:02.159 They should lift you up, they should make your life better, and you make theirs better, and you do better, cool things together. 02:25:02.399 --> 02:25:06.000 It's super fucking stupid, but that's what my business partner and I did. 02:25:06.159 --> 02:25:08.159 It's all real, it's very real. 02:25:08.959 --> 02:25:10.399 I I couldn't agree more, man. 02:25:10.479 --> 02:25:25.920 And I think that's one of the biggest blessings that I feel is even though I'm not I'm not uh I'm not the most wealthy person right now, but I I feel so wealthy because of all the amazing relationships and connections I was able to make in the last few years. 02:25:26.079 --> 02:25:34.879 And this podcast is honestly a big part of that, but really just by stepping out of my comfort zone and moving has, I think, allowed me to meet. 02:25:35.120 --> 02:25:46.639 Obviously, you meet a lot of sketchy people on the way, but by meeting so many different people, it's allowed so many people that I resonate with into my life, and I think it's it's made it a lot more fulfilling. 02:25:47.120 --> 02:25:48.559 Absolutely a lot more beautiful. 02:25:48.879 --> 02:25:54.479 Yeah, and I I was I I I lost everything. 02:25:54.639 --> 02:25:59.760 I I I I didn't have much at 31 years old. 02:26:01.520 --> 02:26:02.239 It was crazy. 02:26:02.399 --> 02:26:08.319 So even if people get into a bad spot or you feel a little bit lost,

like it'll be it'll be okay. 02:26:08.479 --> 02:26:09.280 Just work, dude. 02:26:09.440 --> 02:26:10.639 Just do the work. 02:26:10.959 --> 02:26:17.680 The work will be recognized, people, and it is it's beautiful to be recognized to to know that you work hard. 02:26:17.920 --> 02:26:19.040 I I think that's important. 02:26:19.840 --> 02:26:20.479 Yeah. 02:26:20.879 --> 02:26:24.319 Well, I have one last question I ask everybody at the end of every podcast, sir. 02:26:24.559 --> 02:26:30.479 But if you were to disappear from the world tomorrow and you had one message you could send to the entire world today, what would the message be? 02:26:42.000 --> 02:26:49.040 You know, uh my phrase is be a hardworking motherfucker. 02:26:49.360 --> 02:26:51.600 You don't have problems, just more work to do. 02:26:51.920 --> 02:27:07.920 If I was remembered from that, if I was remembered from that, I think that I'm confident enough in in humanity that they would understand what that means, to be a hardworking motherfucker. 02:27:08.399 --> 02:27:23.520 Because whenever someone, if you are recognized as like, you know, I would look at my dad or my grandfather, and if I'd be like, if those the last things I said at my dad's eulogy, I'd be like, man, that dude was one hardworking motherfucker. 02:27:24.639 --> 02:27:29.760 Like everybody in the audience would be like, I think I understand what that means. 02:27:30.079 --> 02:27:31.760 That dude didn't stop working. 02:27:31.920 --> 02:27:40.799 He worked for his family, he worked for himself, he worked to make sure that people knew that he cared about life. 02:27:42.319 --> 02:27:44.719 It's that it's that's the environment I grew up in. 02:27:44.879 --> 02:28:05.760 So, and I tell my kids, uh, I'm leading them to that path of that concept of being a hardworking motherfucker, by saying to them, like, whenever they go to gymnastics practice, baseball, football, and they're five and twelve, I can't tell them go be a hardworking motherfucker, even though I've said it. 02:28:05.920 --> 02:28:12.639 Uh I say work hard, have fun, and be a good teammate. 02:28:14.319 --> 02:28:18.479 So even if I would say that that right there as well, that's super important. 02:28:18.959 --> 02:28:21.680 Work hard, have fun, be a good teammate. 02:28:23.680 --> 02:28:24.079 Yeah. 02:28:24.319 --> 02:28:25.600 Thank you for coming on, brother. 02:28:25.760 --> 02:28:28.079 Hey man, I had a really good time. 02:28:29.040 --> 02:28:30.959 This was awesome, dude. 02:28:31.520 --> 02:28:32.239 You're deep. 02:28:32.479 --> 02:28:32.959 Yeah. 02:28:34.159 --> 02:28:34.799 I'm there. 02:28:35.280 --> 02:28:36.719 I love this shit, dude. 02:28:36.879 --> 02:28:37.840 This is fun. 02:28:38.959 --> 02:28:42.239 I I there's nothing more I enjoy more than this, bro. 02:28:42.319 --> 02:28:45.360 So I gotta say, it was the biggest honor for me to have you on the podcast finally. 02:28:45.600 --> 02:28:47.680 Looking up to you for fucking years, dude. 02:28:47.840 --> 02:28:51.280 I'm just I feel very blessed that you came on and that I was able to meet you in person. 02:28:51.600 --> 02:28:52.959 I greatly appreciate it. 02:28:53.200 --> 02:28:54.559 You come to Pittsburgh, dude. 02:28:54.639 --> 02:28:55.360 We'll do it again. 02:28:55.520 --> 02:29:02.399 You you come into town anytime, whether it's for a show or just to shoot your shit, come in for the facility, anything. 02:29:02.639 --> 02:29:04.239 I'd love to do it again online. 02:29:04.799 --> 02:29:05.440 Fuck yeah. 02:29:05.520 --> 02:29:06.239 Thank you, bro. 02:29:06.399 --> 02:29:07.920 Absolutely appreciate it, man. 02:29:08.159 --> 02:29:11.120 Yeah, I'll fucking, I guess that's it. 02:29:11.440 --> 02:29:12.159 That's great. 02:29:12.319 --> 02:29:12.639 Thanks. 02:29:12.799 --> 02:29:15.600 Uh if you ever need anything, bro, um, please reach out. 02:29:15.680 --> 02:29:17.040 And same with all y'all. 02:29:17.360 --> 02:29:18.000 Yeah, dude. 02:29:18.159 --> 02:29:18.719 Absolutely. 02:29:18.879 --> 02:29:19.440 I appreciate it. 02:29:19.600 --> 02:29:20.079 Well, cool. 02:29:20.159 --> 02:29:22.000 I mean, I don't know how you end them or anything like that. 02:29:22.079 --> 02:29:23.120 Dude, this was sick, dude. 02:29:23.200 --> 02:29:24.319 I thank you. 02:29:24.559 --> 02:29:25.600 Yeah, yeah, man. 02:29:25.680 --> 02:29:26.959 Yeah, I appreciate it as well. 02:29:27.120 --> 02:29:29.520 Seriously, though, you haven't need anything, so yeah. 02:29:29.760 --> 02:29:30.959 And uh have a good night. 02:29:31.040 --> 02:29:33.520 Uh eat a fuck ton of food and protein. 02:29:34.159 --> 02:29:36.399 Peanut butter and jelly rice cakes coming right up. 02:29:36.479 --> 02:29:37.520 That's my next move. 02:29:37.760 --> 02:29:38.239 Fire. 02:29:39.360 --> 02:29:41.280 I'm gonna have a rice cake right now in your honor. 02:29:41.520 --> 02:29:42.319 Bye, man. 02:29:42.959 --> 02:29:44.239 All right, catch you soon. 02:29:44.399 --> 02:29:44.959 Later, brother.