Jakson The Twilight Zone - Issue #3 - The Relic täydellinen litterointi

enjoyed the experience so 76 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:09.560 much that I contacted Robin said maybe we should give 77 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:12.639 this a shot. I was primarily a kind of a 78 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:15.599 fan of the movies and the TV shows. Rob had 79 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:18.720 had much more extensive comic book knowledge than I did, 80 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:20.639 and I thought that would be a great kind of 81 00:04:20.680 --> 00:04:23.560 a balance on the show. And I had met Rob 82 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:26.000 previously through the convention scene and stuff, the Dublin Comic 83 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:29.160 con convention and that, and it was just a great 84 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:31.839 way to be honest, from a selfish point of view, 85 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:33.839 it was a great way to fill in those kind 86 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:35.800 of fandom blanks that I had. I was always kind 87 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:39.920 of a may A fair Weather Superman fan, as you said, 88 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:41.959 like I had read the old kind of John Byrne 89 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:45.519 post crisis Superman comics from the late ladies and early nineties, 90 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:48.160 but I had more so read a lot of the 91 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:52.240 Batman comics through throughout the decades, I hadn't really kept 92 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:54.879 up with any of the Sinkle issues or the monthly 93 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:57.199 releases of Superman and stuff, so I wanted to fill 94 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:00.560 in in those blanks. And it's just it's been. It's 95 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:03.040 just been fantastic. It's it really has been. It's been 96 00:05:03.399 --> 00:05:07.439 a really fun adventure. Met great friends like Zach and 97 00:05:07.480 --> 00:05:09.959 Matt and so many other people in the community, and 98 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:12.160 we do lots of crossovers with other people and stuff, 99 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:14.959 and the community is so supportive and it really has 100 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:17.879 been an absolute glass I have to say. 101 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:21.160 So let's pivot to the Twilight Zone because I know, 102 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:24.120 Zach over there you are a wash with Twilight Zone 103 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:27.199 in America. You know, every public holiday you got a 104 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:31.079 marathon going on. Yeah, it is, It's the Promised Land. 105 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:36.720 But alan, I know over here in England it's it's 106 00:05:36.839 --> 00:05:40.519 very hard for people to discover the Twilight Zone by accident. 107 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:43.120 What's it like over there in Ireland and how did 108 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:44.480 you discover it? 109 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:47.360 Yeah, it's it's it's pretty much the same here. It's 110 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:50.480 pretty much the same here in Ireland. It's it's kind 111 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:53.480 of of a non entity really. I think most people 112 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:57.160 here would probably remember the eighties show more than the 113 00:05:57.199 --> 00:06:01.279 original Rod Serling show Wow, because that was repeated for 114 00:06:01.399 --> 00:06:05.199 years on different British channels and stuff that you could watch, 115 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:07.639 you know, the Horror Channel and all Sci Fi Time 116 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:09.639 and all that kind of stuff, and that we that 117 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:11.439 we'd get here if you had cable and sky and 118 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:14.839 that kind of thing. I actually discovered it years ago 119 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:17.839 as a child, back in maybe ninety five ninety six. 120 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:20.800 I was on holiday with my parents. We were staying 121 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:24.639 with some family friends in France, and I remember staying 122 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:26.720 up one night. They were all drinking wine and having 123 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:28.800 fun and having you know that the French have these 124 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:31.000 late night kind of meals that go on for six 125 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:33.120 and seven hours, and I got bored and I went 126 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:37.079 inside and they were showing it on the TV. And 127 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:41.160 I wasn't really playing attention straight away, but I to 128 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:44.040 this day, I guess, thirty years later, I still remember 129 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:47.199 the episode. And it was season three's The Hunt, the 130 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:50.000 one with the old man and the dog and he 131 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:51.920 passes away and he tried to get the dog into 132 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:53.920 heaven and there's a big twist at the end, and 133 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:57.600 I had never encountered a twist before, and I was hooked. 134 00:06:57.720 --> 00:07:00.560 And while we stayed there on vacation on holiday. I 135 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:03.439 watched it every single night, and my parents were like, 136 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:05.680 why is like this old black and white TV show? 137 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:07.600 What you know? Why is he so fascinated with it? 138 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:11.480 And I just absolutely loved it and it stuck with 139 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:16.000 me for years. And then years later I caught one night, 140 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:19.199 late at night, I caught the Twilight Zone movie and 141 00:07:19.519 --> 00:07:22.600 that kind of look, we can all debate about how 142 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:24.759 good or bad the movie is. I love the book 143 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:26.800 ends to the film. I love that opening scene with 144 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:29.720 dan Aykroyd, and that stuck with me in a similar way. 145 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:32.199 I was like, jeez, that's that was really great, and 146 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:35.199 that kind of those were that was in the

era 147 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:38.720 of eBay and stuff and Amazon back say maybe twenty ten, 148 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:41.839 twenty eleven, when they were really kicking off, and I 149 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:45.000 ordered the DVDs and then I just I watched the 150 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:48.000 show and I've I've stuck with it ever since. Absolutely 151 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:50.959 absolutely love it. I think it's one of the greatest 152 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:53.120 TV shows ever made. I think it's fantastic. 153 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:56.120 Okay, so let's pivot to the reason why we here tonight. 154 00:07:56.319 --> 00:08:00.680 The new IDW Twilight Zone comic joining us here on 155 00:08:00.759 --> 00:08:03.959 issue three, which is called The Relic, and Zach and 156 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:09.759 I were talking in the last episode about how this one, well, 157 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:13.399 the last issue and this issue, same artist, same writer, 158 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:17.480 and you know, we both kind of liked this idea 159 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:21.240 of someone just taking the Twilight Zone and doing their 160 00:08:21.279 --> 00:08:23.759 thing with it. So you know, I'm quite looking forward 161 00:08:23.800 --> 00:08:25.800 to hearing what you guys think of this one as well, 162 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:29.439 so if we get into it. I mentioned at the 163 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:32.279 end of the last episode that I wasn't sure about 164 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:35.919 this one from the first image that we saw of it, 165 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:38.639 and the first image was like a night. Now we 166 00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:41.120 did have an American flag on them, so it's like, okay, 167 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:46.960 what's that about. But I think even before that, I'd 168 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:50.200 seen sort of promo images of nights and things, and 169 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:55.879 I don't know. To me, the Twilight Zone is it's American, 170 00:08:56.039 --> 00:08:58.399 you know what I mean, And I wouldn't want it 171 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:02.279 to be very far from that. You know, I love Australia, 172 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:04.919 but I wouldn't want to see the Twilight doing in Australia, 173 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:07.840 you know what I mean. It's kind of American folklore 174 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:11.519 to me, and I don't like to see it via 175 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:15.480 too far from that. That said, the way this story 176 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:19.759 goes it sort of circles back, so it's like, oh, okay, yeah, 177 00:09:19.799 --> 00:09:23.759 fine then so it kind of works. But I mean, 178 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:27.440 going into this, what were your gentlemen's YouTube gentlemen's thoughts 179 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:30.720 on what we're presented with for these first few pages. 180 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:33.639 Well, I'll just mention the intro real quick and then 181 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:35.200 i'll toss to you out

out of that's all right. 182 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:39.399 I did like specifically on this issue an issue three. Uh, 183 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:43.399 there's the again presumably the Rod Sterling narrator giving us 184 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:45.960 the introduction, and then we see a little cigarette in 185 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:48.399 a little last tray at the bottom, like a little 186 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:50.360 hint of Sterling. Because we had that an issue one, 187 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:52.840 we didn't have it an issue too. Now it's back 188 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:55.840 an issue three, and I've just responded well to that, 189 00:09:55.879 --> 00:09:58.240 so I already were off to a good start there 190 00:09:58.279 --> 00:09:58.480 for me. 191 00:09:59.120 --> 00:09:59.320 Yeah. 192 00:09:59.320 --> 00:10:01.639 Absolutely, And think that's a really nice way to handle it. 193 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:03.960 I think it's really kind of an artistic way to 194 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:06.440 do it. If you can't maybe put his likely Obviously 195 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:08.240 we'd all like to see Rod in it, or we'd 196 00:10:08.279 --> 00:10:10.200 like to see his his likeness and that, but if 197 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:13.399 that's not something that's achievable, I think this kind of 198 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:14.679 subtle nod to. 199 00:10:14.799 --> 00:10:19.000 His presence in the book. Is it is just really nice. 200 00:10:19.159 --> 00:10:20.960 I really enjoyed it. I really like that. 201 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:23.519 I'm looking at these first few pages now and I've 202 00:10:23.519 --> 00:10:25.399 got to say, and I've got to say, of the 203 00:10:25.440 --> 00:10:29.360 issues that we've done so far, I think this is 204 00:10:29.399 --> 00:10:31.559 the best art work we've had so far. There's some 205 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:37.200 very kind of detailed line work here, still very stylized 206 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:41.960 in terms of the people it depicts. Yes, even slightly 207 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:44.519 reminiscent of that first issue in a way, isn't it, Zach? 208 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:46.480 It is? It is so I was like, oh, we 209 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:48.759 drifted into that territory. But I agree with you. I 210 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:51.879 think of the three so far, this is the best artwork. 211 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:53.879 And you know, we get some great like just these 212 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:56.120 opening pages, A hold, this whole battle going on, and 213 00:10:56.600 --> 00:10:58.279 then and then you know, to mention the intro again, 214 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:02.080 it ends with because today the siege Lions pass through 215 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:05.240 the twilight Zone. Thank you. This is this is how 216 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:07.559 all these intros are done. You say, you say the 217 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:09.799 twilight Zone and the intros. I understand, like for a 218 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:11.720 dozen episodes of the geinning of the show, before they 219 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:14.759 figured it out, they didn't say that. It's totally fine, right, 220 00:11:14.799 --> 00:11:16.279 but like, this is what we do now. If we 221 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:19.360 don't do this, then why do a twilight Zone intro 222 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:21.440 and out shro If you don't say the twilight Zone 223 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:23.399 in the name, so I will die on the hill. 224 00:11:23.600 --> 00:11:25.639 Yeah, I think I have to say I was very 225 00:11:25.679 --> 00:11:28.480 impressed with the artwork. I did read Blanks issue one 226 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:32.039 for this, and I didn't like that artwork as. 227 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:32.600 Much as I like this. 228 00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:35.000 But I thought this was, like you said, very stylized. 229 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:38.720 The artist like he has he has a great he 230 00:11:38.759 --> 00:11:41.600 has a great talent for depicting the crowd scenes, the 231 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:43.759 battle like that's that's not an easy thing to draw. 232 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:46.559 It's very clean, the lines, very clean, and I loved 233 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:48.399 the fact that they're continuing in the black and white. 234 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:52.480 I really thought I think that really suits this art especially. 235 00:11:52.559 --> 00:11:53.720 I think it really works well for. 236 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:58.519 So as our story begins, we've got two warring factions. 237 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:02.000 I don't think we really know who they are or 238 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:05.679 why they're fighting that much, but I don't think we 239 00:12:06.159 --> 00:12:11.240 really need to. But we we find that one of 240 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:17.000 the factions have captured a member of the other one, 241 00:12:17.279 --> 00:12:22.679 and this guy says this captured one says okay, sorry, 242 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:25.200 So the one who has captured them, because again, not 243 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:27.519 one for names in these these nuds. 244 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:30.519 You don't know when this is or who this is 245 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:33.399 or anything really which which will become a reveal at 246 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:33.679 the end. 247 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:35.519 Yeah, because I was going to ask you that when 248 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:37.360 you when you when you first kind of opened the 249 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:40.399 first page, the first two pages, what you think it's 250 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:42.799 like medieval times even pre medieval times? 251 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:43.159 Maybe? 252 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:45.519 Yeah, it was like did the Knights go try to 253 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:48.480 invade China or something like, Yeah, it's some kind of 254 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:49.840 culture clash. You're not really sure. 255 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:52.759 It's kind of gang as can area in

something. Yeah, 256 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:53.519 that kind of era. 257 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:56.879 Yeah, well, that that was it. That was exactly why 258 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:59.159 I was like, I don't know, this is an American 259 00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:04.759 enough form, you know, because that you know, like I've 260 00:13:04.759 --> 00:13:07.360 mentioned that many times, but that is really part of 261 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:10.840 the twilight zone for me, and I'm not sure it 262 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:15.639 really works when you take it out. But we have 263 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:19.559 this meeting where you know, this guy is captured from 264 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:22.039 one side, it's really difficult to talk about it when 265 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:24.679 you're saying this guy has captured this guy and he 266 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:27.360 says to the prisoners, so long as you have high 267 00:13:27.399 --> 00:13:29.960 walls to do all of the fighting for you, that 268 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:33.240 is and the prisoner says, it isn't our walls that 269 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:36.399 give us strength, but what we hold within them. We 270 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:39.679 are the keepers of the Word. We hold the voice 271 00:13:40.279 --> 00:13:45.519 of God. So again things are kind of ramped up 272 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:46.399 here a little bit. 273 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:49.200 I like the fact that the I'll call him the 274 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:50.000 Gingers can. 275 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:52.039 Character the capital. 276 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:56.639 This guy, he seems very jealous or very put out 277 00:13:56.639 --> 00:14:00.000 by the fact that the opposing faction live in storm 278 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:04.720 buildings behind stone walls and that they're almost looked down 279 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:09.879 upon because they don't. But he's determined to to breach 280 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:12.639 those walls and find out what they have. And he 281 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:15.480 makes this he makes this fantastic point about you know, 282 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:18.159 I think he says, there's eighty tribes or eighty factions 283 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:21.200 across the land, and they all have their individual gods, 284 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:23.240 so what's one more? 285 00:14:23.399 --> 00:14:25.559 And I really, I really thought that was great. 286 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:28.919 Coming off Issue Too, I was like, Oh, finally, something 287 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:31.559 is not completely a Star Trek episode that I've seen before. 288 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:35.120 We're kind of unscharted territory, Like it's even it's even 289 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:38.519 less fiamiliar two because Issue Too was like, hey, the 290 00:14:38.519 --> 00:14:40.279 astronauts they go over to a place and land on 291 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:42.120 a planet, like we've seen that a lot. This is 292 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:45.240 a very wide scale thing that you haven't seen in 293 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:48.600 a Twilid Zone episode. And I guess getting back to 294 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:50.720 the point I'll make on all these when we cover them, like, 295 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:52.919 could this have been an episode of the original twild 296 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:57.120 Zone Maybe, I mean, but the only like they would 297 00:14:57.200 --> 00:14:59.360 have to show like stock footage for some old movie. 298 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:01.600 And then yeah, did two guys talking at a tent? 299 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:03.399 You know, like they could? I think they could have 300 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:06.080 achieved It wouldn't have looked anything like this, right, but 301 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:08.480 they could have maybe done the same points they were 302 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:12.679 trying to make, just on a very extreme budget. 303 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:14.799 That was something that I was hung up on because 304 00:15:14.799 --> 00:15:17.879 going into this, I hadn't read besides blanks, I haven't 305 00:15:17.879 --> 00:15:20.519 read any of the old Twilight Zone comics or anything. 306 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:24.519 And I went look walking into this, I'm looking for 307 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:27.840 from a Twilight Zone comic, a comic that could be 308 00:15:27.919 --> 00:15:29.919 a continuation of the show, or could have been an 309 00:15:29.919 --> 00:15:32.679 episode of the show. It's like when say, Zach and 310 00:15:32.759 --> 00:15:37.120 Mass do a hypothetical second season of Flash ninety on 311 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:39.559 their show, or of the Aquaman show. You know, we 312 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:43.120 could all write stories where John Wesley Ship meets Christopher Reeve, 313 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:45.480 but you know that, but can that couldn't have happened 314 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:49.240 in the show. But so that kind of pulled me 315 00:15:49.240 --> 00:15:51.200 out of it initially. But then when I read it 316 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:52.840 a second time and I kind of stopped and I 317 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:54.639 kind of thought about it, and I think, if you 318 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:58.960 were smart, you really could almost almost stage this like 319 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:01.919 a play where you have the two guys in the tent, 320 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:05.559 you hear the fighting outside maybe, and then you switch 321 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:07.799 to you know, the battle is over, you have some 322 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:09.919 smoke and some dead guys on the ground, and you're 323 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:12.519 walking into the temple. I think, if you really wanted 324 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:14.679 to get it across, you could, And that kind of 325 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:16.480 saved it for me when I when when when that 326 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:17.960 realization came to me, I think. 327 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:20.399 No, same exact thought, alan, same exact

thought here. 328 00:16:20.600 --> 00:16:22.919 Okay, I did not have that sauce, but you've both 329 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:23.639 convinced me. 330 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:27.840 They did, like Civil war battles and stuff, just like 331 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:32.679 off screen or just again like stock footage from some 332 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:36.000 all the movie they could have afforded like thirty seconds 333 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:37.879 of it, wouldn't have it would have been green all over, 334 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:40.039 It wouldn't fit it all the rest of the footage. 335 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:42.080 But they're great at that, even even in episodes like 336 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:44.840 the Passerby, where you know, you have that that line 337 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:45.919 of soldiers coming back. 338 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:48.320 It feels like there's a whole army back there, when 339 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:50.399 really there's just another ten guys. So I think they 340 00:16:50.399 --> 00:16:51.000 could have done this. 341 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:54.080 That said though, and we've we've all alluded to it 342 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:57.840 so far. This artist does scale beautifully. Yeah, and there's 343 00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:01.480 a shot here. It's at the White House. Sac I 344 00:17:01.519 --> 00:17:03.919 don't know the page number because I'm looking at it digitally. 345 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:08.720 He's got sort of like walls and like fortress built 346 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:11.839 around it, but there's a very I don't know. 347 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:15.160 Pillars and stuff, and I well, because because of what 348 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:17.880 we're about to get into, uh, it's just a it's 349 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:22.440 a museum, right, so this is like the you know, 350 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:25.920 American Museum of Natural History, Yeah, for example. 351 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:28.480 Okay, so it's not the White House itself. So the 352 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:32.720 Genghis Khan guy, thank you, Alan has is now doing 353 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:38.960 a full on assault of this building, this museum type building, 354 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:43.599 which again just really nicely rendered scenes here of the battles. 355 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:46.519 You think, beat the heat, he says, and you're like, 356 00:17:46.759 --> 00:17:47.759 what does that mean? 357 00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:54.160 So they get in and they breach the walls and 358 00:17:54.200 --> 00:17:57.880 then all of a sudden, they are confronted by this 359 00:17:58.079 --> 00:17:59.920 really kind of badass looking night. 360 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:02.599 Yeah. Yeah, he's the guy that says, yeah, excuse me, 361 00:18:02.680 --> 00:18:04.000 yeah yeah, stay. 362 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:09.200 Cool this summer, and when the night turns round, he 363 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:17.759 has the American flag on his back. He was also 364 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:21.000 all thinking within you know, Genghis Khan times or whatever, 365 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:25.039 but there's an American flag there, So what is going 366 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:25.519 on here? 367 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:29.359 I didn't actually notice the American flag on the night 368 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:32.279 on the on the cover image, so this was the 369 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:34.960 first time that I noticed the American flag and I 370 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:37.440 stopped my tracks that point. I was like, where is 371 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:38.279 this going? 372 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:39.880 What? 373 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:41.599 What is the lesson of this episode going to be, 374 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:44.759 of this issue going to be? So I thought it 375 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:46.640 was I thought it was a cool kind of mid episode, 376 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:47.440 mid issue twist. 377 00:18:47.799 --> 00:18:50.079 Well, you know, they do these covers right in their 378 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:53.319 styleized sometimes they could mean anything, right, and I didn't. 379 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:55.960 I didn't expect to see this actual guy in a 380 00:18:56.079 --> 00:18:58.880 night cossume with an American flag cape, but that's what 381 00:18:58.920 --> 00:18:59.599 he ended up having. 382 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:02.759 And then story, so they breach the walls and as 383 00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:05.079 they go in, they follow this night in and there's 384 00:19:05.119 --> 00:19:09.759 another bunch of knights there and they are all armed 385 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:13.839 with automatic weapons, and they kind of just wipe out 386 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:18.759 the sea of invading soldiers. But as this doing it, 387 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:23.000 there's saying, all of these strange lines open their souls 388 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:26.240 to refreshment. Let me see if you can find another one. 389 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:28.799 Like you mentioned there was beat the heat and stuff 390 00:19:28.839 --> 00:19:29.279 like that. 391 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:33.319 My long summer has ended. My thirst is quenched, so. 392 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:34.279 Speaks the word of God. 393 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:36.680 Yeah. 394 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:39.599 Well, there's a bit of an odd turnaround, really, because 395 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:42.640 you have all of these Nights armed to the teeth 396 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:47.279 with automatic weapons, just mowing down these soldiers. But Genghis 397 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:51.559 Khan manages to pick up like a gun. He kills 398 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:55.160 the main Night with the gun, and all of a sudden, 399 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:58.160 the battle is won. I was that a bit of 400 00:19:58.160 --> 00:19:59.680 a strange turnaround for you guys. 401 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:03.240 I was a little confused about exactly kind of what 402 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:07.480 occurred here, because because then it becomes the two

guys again, 403 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:10.359 Genghis Khan, and then they they're gonna keep calling you that. 404 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:12.359 Where all the guys with the automatic weapons. 405 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:14.640 Yeah, like they all kind of dispersed. But you know, 406 00:20:14.680 --> 00:20:16.599 we're on a budget here, you know, we can't afford 407 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:18.839 all these extras. So this is an episode of the Twilight, 408 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:21.519 so we got to get it back down. But it's 409 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:23.599 basically like I guess he went in to explore, like, 410 00:20:23.759 --> 00:20:27.319 go ahead and explore the inner you know, rooms and 411 00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:28.480 chambers of this fortress. 412 00:20:28.839 --> 00:20:29.039 Yeah. 413 00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:31.319 So he ends up with the other guy again and 414 00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:34.720 he's transfixed. Genghis Khan is then transfixed. He wants to 415 00:20:34.759 --> 00:20:38.559 know because you know, this this captured prisoner has been 416 00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:41.079 alluding to the fact that they have this power, that 417 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:43.839 they have the word of God, and Genghis Khan acts like, 418 00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:45.880 and I keep calling him Genghis Kan, but the Genghis 419 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:48.400 Khan character acts like, well, this is something he's heard 420 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:50.960 a million times. He's heard about all these false idols. 421 00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:54.720 But then he actually sees this real power and he 422 00:20:54.920 --> 00:20:57.880 becomes fixated with it and he wants to know, you know, 423 00:20:58.200 --> 00:21:00.359 teach me, teach me where this power came from, Teach 424 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:03.240 me how to yield his power. And I thought that 425 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:04.680 was really, really, really strong. 426 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:07.039 Yeah, and that's when they break off from the group 427 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:08.599 because the other guy's like, let me lead you to 428 00:21:08.680 --> 00:21:11.119 the true power to God, and he's like, okay, so 429 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:12.839 he's gonna follow him. And I think that's how they 430 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:15.759 split off at the end. But then I got as 431 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:17.440 you know, Alan, I don't know how big of a 432 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:18.640 Planet of the Apes fan you are. 433 00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:20.640 I'd be a die. 434 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:23.279 Like I've seen the original two or three movies. I 435 00:21:23.359 --> 00:21:24.319 haven't seen every one of them. 436 00:21:24.440 --> 00:21:26.960 Have the original two or three movies? Incredible, there's five 437 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:27.759 original movies. 438 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:31.039 I've seen the first three of the original movies. 439 00:21:31.079 --> 00:21:31.839 I'm aware there's more. 440 00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:34.119 Well, I mean, obviously that's the end because they blow 441 00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:35.759 the earth and the killer about it, So there's obviously 442 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:39.279 nothing else after that. Okay, But but even more specific, 443 00:21:39.319 --> 00:21:42.200 even more granular here, even more in the weeds, Tom, 444 00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:45.559 you remember that like Tales from the Forbidden's Own book, 445 00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:47.519 they came out a few years back with all these 446 00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:50.839 short stories. There is a short story in there where 447 00:21:50.839 --> 00:21:53.359 like doctor Zayas and some other people they they they 448 00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:57.759 discover the Museum of American Natural History or something with 449 00:21:57.799 --> 00:21:59.440 all these dinosaur bones and stuff. I was like, Oh, 450 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:01.920 that's really cool. And I'm not saying that saying this 451 00:22:01.960 --> 00:22:03.920 ripped that off. I'm saying like, I really like that 452 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:09.160 concept of like post apocalypse just wandering into these museums 453 00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:11.680 and they're like yeah, and the knowledge is lost and 454 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:13.519 they're like what even is this? You know, like I 455 00:22:13.720 --> 00:22:16.400 find that's so interesting. Yeah, because the guy's like, what 456 00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:18.640 is this, Like it's a dragon, you know, because it's 457 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:20.799 a t Rex skeleton, And I don't know that that's 458 00:22:20.839 --> 00:22:24.759 such a cool just environment to have in the post apocalypse. 459 00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:27.400 I couldn't remember that story, but once we got to 460 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:31.119 this point, I was thinking, beneath the Planets of the Apes, where. 461 00:22:31.119 --> 00:22:33.960 It's the subway, it's the library. 462 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:36.400 Yeah, to kind of reveal the ends of this comic 463 00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:40.160 book story. Basically, the guy who is captured by Genghis 464 00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:45.079 Khan says, Okay, look, you know, we guard this place 465 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:48.920 and it's sort of like a museum, it's a chamber 466 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:51.559 of the Holy. He's using all this kind of language. 467 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:57.960 There's weapons there, there's tanks there, even planes, And so 468 00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:00.599 I am getting strong beneath the Planet of the Apes 469 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:05.000 vibes where something that was, you know, not like we 470 00:23:05.079 --> 00:23:07.319 all have nuclear bombs in our back guards, but we 471 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:09.039 all know what a clear missile is. 472 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:13.079 No, but no, as we get to the actual reveal, 473 00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:16.279 one hundred percent beneath the Planet of the Apes, but 474 00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:20.359 even like more absurd,

which honestly makes it even better, 475 00:23:20.759 --> 00:23:22.880 I think, and that's how I feel about it. But yeah, 476 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:23.359 take it away. 477 00:23:24.200 --> 00:23:26.759 But it is that thing that you talked about where 478 00:23:27.920 --> 00:23:31.319 if you take things slightly out of context, where it's 479 00:23:31.359 --> 00:23:34.079 like you haven't grown up knowing what this thing is. 480 00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:38.000 So there's been this break in society for whatever reason, 481 00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:41.519 and then when you go back to it, you're like, wow, 482 00:23:41.559 --> 00:23:42.559 what is this thing? 483 00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:42.920 You know? 484 00:23:43.519 --> 00:23:46.960 So they end up worshiping the bomb in planets of 485 00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:49.559 the Apes, and these guys just come across this thing, 486 00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:54.039 and there's power here, there's weapons here, there is what 487 00:23:54.039 --> 00:23:56.920 should we call this a kind of I. 488 00:23:56.920 --> 00:24:00.839 Think it's a drive through speaker. 489 00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:05.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it kind of looks like that, and 490 00:24:05.759 --> 00:24:11.319 it gives them, I suppose, a scripture of sorts this 491 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:15.200 speaker once the guy winds it up and says, hey, children, 492 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:17.200 when you're sweating and a thret and you've got to 493 00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:20.440 beat the heat, when you're needing that sweet healing. You've 494 00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:23.440 got to stay cool, you know, stay cool this summer, 495 00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:28.960 live a life of refreshment. So this really inanimate thing 496 00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:32.440 that we would just you know, not pay a mind to, 497 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:36.119 has become, you know, the focus of the kind of 498 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:37.200 religious favor. 499 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:41.759 It's this gigantic like like bottle, like a soft drink 500 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:46.400 bottle spokesperson slogan mascot, and it's you know, it's who knows, 501 00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:48.880 it's like maybe fifty feet tall or so. There's obviously 502 00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:53.119 some big display they had there. And yeah, it's it's 503 00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:55.400 it's exactly the It's just like the bomb from Belneath 504 00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:58.960 the Penalty Apes, but it's a soda pop advertisement and 505 00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:02.400 it's so upset. I've found it kind of incredible. 506 00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:04.960 And like that that but that that is a classic 507 00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:07.759 Serling trope. I mean it's kind of you know, humanity's 508 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:11.160 tendency to kind of worship the very things that led 509 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:13.799 to its downfall, you know, like it's it's that kind 510 00:25:13.839 --> 00:25:16.440 of jab at consumerism and stuff like it's it's

right 511 00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:19.279 there you speak of, you spoke to the planet of 512 00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:21.319 the Apes. What it reminded me of was the Old 513 00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:24.319 Man in the Cave. Yeah, this whole issue reminded me 514 00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:26.000 of the Old Man in the Cave. I think that's 515 00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:31.279 season five, is that where you know, like that it's 516 00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:32.799 it's this old man turns out it's a computer. 517 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:35.160 It's not what they thought it was at all. But yeah, 518 00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:37.279 I thought it really had Old Man in the Cave vibes. 519 00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:40.279 And I appreciate it for that. That's a great episode. 520 00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:42.599 Yeah. Well then but then they don't all go like 521 00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:45.440 destroy the computer. I really liked that episode, and I think, 522 00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:47.640 but the build up is like very interesting, and then 523 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:50.039 it's like it's a computer that's helping us, let's destroy it. 524 00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:54.640 I'm like, wait a minute, I don't understand. Good, good 525 00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:55.440 call there, Alan. 526 00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:58.039 There's a lot you know, this one really kind of 527 00:25:58.079 --> 00:26:01.240 made me think, yes, just to kind of ruin the 528 00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:05.160 issue for anyone who hasn't ready yet, I am one 529 00:26:05.240 --> 00:26:07.920 hundred percent saying, you know, go out and buy it 530 00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:11.039 and read it for yourself. This is a spoiler filled review. 531 00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:13.599 It says, in the centuries after the bomb's fall, when 532 00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:16.680 human progress hasn't just been taken down the rung, but 533 00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:19.799 thrown violently off the whole ladder, what treasures of our 534 00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:23.599 age might survive for those ignorant souls that follow. Will 535 00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:25.880 they be drawn to a piece of exquisite art to 536 00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:29.640 fully encapsulates the cultural footprint of our time, Maybe some 537 00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:32.920 fragments of wisdom from one of the greatest thinkers that 538 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:36.960 lights them a path out of squalor and darkness, Or 539 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:41.400 maybe something more common, a throwaway gag of consumerism dreamed 540 00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:44.519 up in a boardroom to catch as many thirsty eyes 541 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:50.119 as possible, misremembered dayified and mistakenly placed on the highest 542 00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:54.839 plint amid the ruins of mankind's greater histories. A kitchy 543 00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:58.359 advertisement for the world that was here in the Twilight Zone. 544 00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:01.759 And we have another really nice rendered page to end 545 00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:07.240 that with. And I kind of I kind of love 546 00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:10.799 this end. And because you can, you know, I'm obviously 547 00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:12.799 going to be careful. I don't want to offend anyone. 548 00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:14.960 If you want to talk, if you want to take 549 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:18.599 it as religion, a comment on that, it's there, if 550 00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:21.319 you want to have that in a much broader sense, 551 00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:24.799 you can. You can pretty much put anything on it 552 00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:28.839 in terms of how humans have a kind of need 553 00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:34.400 and a history of latching on to someone or something 554 00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:39.200 or some ideology or or wherever it might be. It's like, 555 00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:43.200 you know, we we can't exist without that that figure 556 00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:47.839 to to kind of worship or follow. And in this case, 557 00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:52.079 it's a it's a giant soda bottle with a speaker 558 00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:54.960 on it. And I think that's what makes a great 559 00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:59.079 Twilight Zone end. And where maybe it's not about one thing, 560 00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:01.400 maybe it's a so all of these things you can 561 00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:04.240 really kind of sit down and think about what it's 562 00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:07.400 about for you. So this one really wicked for me 563 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:09.200 in that regards what about you guys? 564 00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:11.640 I totally agree. And you know, I was calling back 565 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:14.880 to the Jordan Peele Twilight Zone, uh in our conversations here, 566 00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:17.400 and I think and I and we like that show, right, 567 00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:21.160 I think, But sometimes like the the subtext became text. 568 00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:23.000 I believe you used that exact phrase, and I think 569 00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:24.839 at that point, like, oh, you got a lot. This 570 00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:27.880 is exactly about this. I'm like, okay, yeah, I got it. Like, 571 00:28:28.119 --> 00:28:31.519 but but but these more kind of universal like it 572 00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:34.720 creates conversation, makes you think like different aspects of life, 573 00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:36.720 like what does this apply to? Like what are you 574 00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:38.920 doing in your own life? Like it's it's it's very 575 00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:41.640 interesting and kind of all encompassing, and it sits with 576 00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:44.240 you because you're like, yeah, like I could see us 577 00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:47.200 doing this like in a thousand years from now. Uh, 578 00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:49.880 but there's no context for anything. And and you find 579 00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:52.440 this this giant sculpture of a thing that talks, you know. 580 00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:54.960 I mean

that's the fact that like it's able to 581 00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:59.000 you know, it doesn't interact, but it has words that it's. 582 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:02.720 It's words that it says that the people internalize and 583 00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:06.079 then recite their cite them themselves. Like, that's so interesting. 584 00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:09.799 That is that is this weird inappropriate blurring of technology 585 00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:11.880 and history and ignorance. It's just so fat I don't know, 586 00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:15.599 and I love that it's something as absurd again as 587 00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:19.640 I've said already as this soda pop advertisement. You know, 588 00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:24.200 it's just the absurdity just makes it more, you know, 589 00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:26.519 I don't know, it's just hit you harder when it's 590 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:30.880 something like, wow, that is ridiculous. But hey, you know, 591 00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:32.519 when you look at it from that perspective, some other 592 00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:33.720 things might seem ridiculous too. 593 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:34.960 Yeah, yeah, I agree. 594 00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:39.000 It's it's a real Serling esque reminder that the real 595 00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:41.880 monsters maybe aren't in the shadows there. You know, ow 596 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:44.960 need to turn absolute garbage into things. 597 00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:49.240 To be deified and worship, you know, yeah. 598 00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:51.359 Like it's it's and I love the way it wrap 599 00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:53.000 around because we didn't really speak to it too much 600 00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:55.680 at the start, where the narrator is speaking to the pot. 601 00:29:56.599 --> 00:29:58.440 You know, you can have this, you have this priceless 602 00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:01.640 pot in a museum that's that's cherished by so many 603 00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:05.160 and you know, but we don't know that pot story. 604 00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:06.839 It might have been one of fifty pots that were 605 00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:10.720 made that week by a very low end sculptor who 606 00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:12.720 forgot about it the following day, and it meant nothing 607 00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:16.200 to anybody. And now now it's priceless. And like you 608 00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:19.160 said earlier on Zact like that, that is fascinating. You know, 609 00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:19.960 that is fascinating. 610 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:20.759 And who am I? 611 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:22.880 Who am I to I'm sitting in a room surrounded 612 00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:25.160 with Superman and Batman memorabilia. Who am I to comment 613 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:26.799 about worshiping things I don't know. 614 00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:31.960 Worship this Superman figures, figure of great power importance in 615 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:33.279 the twenty first century. 616 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:36.559 But it is a fascinating question. You know, two thousand 617 00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:39.880 years from now, when we're all long gone, what will 618 00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:42.279 you know what will be discovered buried in the ground 619 00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:46.119 that will become some day fied object. It's a fascinating question. 620 00:30:46.920 --> 00:30:49.960 And it's only from our perspective where we see it, 621 00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:52.039 where we see it and view it as being silly 622 00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:56.039 because we know what that thing is. Yeah, but it's yeah, 623 00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:58.240 it's I really enjoyed this, guys. 624 00:30:58.400 --> 00:30:59.759 I thought it was I thought it was really good. 625 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:01.480 I'll tell you what they're going to find in two 626 00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:04.599 thousand years, Alan, I'm going to be burying recordings of 627 00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:07.559 the Twilight Zone podcast and they'll dig it up and 628 00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:09.559 they'll be like, what's he talking about? And I'm like, 629 00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:12.160 we don't know, but it's amazing. 630 00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:15.240 We have we have we have the DVDs, but no 631 00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:16.319 player to play them on. 632 00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:18.599 Sacred texts. 633 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:22.839 Yeah. So I think this has been the best one 634 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:26.559 so far personally. I know you haven't read the second 635 00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:29.319 one yet, Alan, but I think I would probably rank 636 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.680 this one first, then blanks and then. 637 00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:36.440 A big app and then the second one. 638 00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:39.119 Yeah, right, I mean got to be sad. 639 00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:42.079 I suppose No, I agree. I think once like I 640 00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:44.000 kind of like wrapped my head around like the artwork again, 641 00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:46.640 because it was it was it was, you know, drifting 642 00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:49.480 towards the the kind of same artwork as the first issue, 643 00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:52.119 like you mentioned that Alan earlier. Yeah, and uh and 644 00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:54.240 The'm like, okay, okay, could this be an episode? Yeah? 645 00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:55.960 Then we kind of like justified it. You know, I'm 646 00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:58.400 glad we will, Mitch you Tom that this could have 647 00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:00.599 been an episode of They if they shoot it just 648 00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:02.480 the right way and take it just the right approach 649 00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:05.480 to it and I think ultimately into the wrapper of 650 00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:08.759 the setup and payoff of like, because sometimes these intros 651 00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:10.519 can be lazy and it's like, oh, oh, we gotta 652 00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:13.319 I guess we gotta say like an intro because that's 653 00:32:13.319 -->

00:32:14.799 what they did on the Twilight Zone, right, Okay, here 654 00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:18.119 it is you know issue too, I was very critical of, 655 00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:19.960 like those don't connect at all. This is like a 656 00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:22.359 perfect like the wrapping back around Alan. You were talking 657 00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:25.200 about the pot, like one man's trash as another man's, 658 00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:28.960 you know, deity apparently. Yeah, and those are just interesting concepts. 659 00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:31.680 And I really enjoyed this one, and it had, you know, 660 00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:33.440 it had something to say. And I think the key 661 00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:35.519 is is with all this stuff, right, these are these 662 00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:38.119 are parables, right, They're they're anecdotes. So I had I 663 00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:40.119 don't know exactly what it was saying. It probably doesn't 664 00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:42.400 even have an exact message per se, but it had 665 00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:44.640 something to say and then you yourself kind of find 666 00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:47.400 the meaning in that, and I think that's a good storytelling. 667 00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:49.640 Even though I thought this was good, I did, like 668 00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:51.440 I said, it did remind me of the old man 669 00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:53.880 in the Cave. And I'm kind of hoping that what 670 00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:56.160 is it? Is it a six issue run five, six 671 00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:59.200 issue run five, so it's only two left. I'm hoping 672 00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:01.200 that as the issues progress that we see kind of 673 00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:03.519 you know, I just want them to kind of replay 674 00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:05.119 the hits. I'd like to see something a little bit, 675 00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:06.799 a little bit further out there and stuff. 676 00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:08.680 But you don't like a story on an airplane. All. 677 00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:16.200 Yeah, but yeah, it's I have to say I enjoyed Blanks, 678 00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:18.160 but I thought this was This was definitely the best 679 00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:19.599 of the two anyway that I've read so far. 680 00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:23.880 And despite my initial reservations, this isn't America. What are 681 00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:26.759 they doing? It all comes around if they can tell 682 00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:30.759 a story on such a different canvas but it's still 683 00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:31.519 in America. 684 00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:34.319 Well, it's it's it's very strange because I think I 685 00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:36.359 think that what the Twilight Zone really needs, you know, 686 00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:38.440 forget about Jordan Peel and stuff, forget about the eight show, 687 00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:40.880 forget about the Tales and show Forrest Whitaker. What it 688 00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:45.319 needs is like the

CSI treatment. You need Twilight Twilight Zone, UK. 689 00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:53.039 Twilight z on London, Twilights and Texas special Victims the 690 00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:53.880 Twilight Zone. 691 00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:57.559 Do it just have fun? Run with the concept right 692 00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:00.000 Because of the more of this stuffy. I think that's, 693 00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:02.359 you know, to get into the deeper discussion about or 694 00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:04.519 wider discussion about the Twilight Zone. I think part of 695 00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:06.839 why everybody is Tom knows more than anyone. People are 696 00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:09.639 so precious, so precious about the Twilight Zone, what it 697 00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:11.440 is and when it isn't. It's like, you know, if 698 00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:13.920 they just made a whole lot of it, you'd probably 699 00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:16.880 like accept maybe more than you than you would otherwise 700 00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:18.119 I don't or maybe not. 701 00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:20.079 It's not really working for Star Treks ex. 702 00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:20.119 So I. 703 00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:27.800 Am one of those people when it comes to Star Treks. 704 00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:32.280 Okay, so this has been a lot of fun. I'm 705 00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:33.880 so glad we could do this, and I'm so glad 706 00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:37.760 we had an issue that we all agreed on. So gentlemen, 707 00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:40.239 I would love to have you back for issue four 708 00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:42.280 and five if we can figure that out. 709 00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:44.400 Oh absolutely, that'd be fantastic. Thank you so much. 710 00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:46.719 Be great, so Alan, thank you for joining us. And 711 00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:48.320 where can we find your podcast again? 712 00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:51.239 Yeah, we're we're available All Stars super Fan podcast. It's 713 00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:55.320 available on all good podcasting platforms and we're also on 714 00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:58.719 Instagram at all Stars super Fan. On Facebook, we're in 715 00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:01.800 the inside All Stars Super Fun Facebook group. It's great, 716 00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:03.599 a little community. There have bout two hundred people there 717 00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:05.280 where we chat about, you know, all the kind of 718 00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:08.360 latest news and topics in relation to Superman and the 719 00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:10.280 Man of Steel and comic books in general and stuff. 720 00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:13.440 But yeah, we're available on all good podcasting platforms and 721 00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:15.360 we'll have some new episodes coming down in the next one. 722 00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:17.079 Great stuff, Zach, what about you? 723 00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:17.400 You mine? 724 00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:21.519 Well? Always one Smallville. We finished our episode by episode coverage, 725 00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:24.280 but we're curling in a project I'm calling Smallville the 726 00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:27.719 Ultimate Season. We're going through every episode number of every 727 00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:30.719 season and determining the ultimate season of Smallville. We talk 728 00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:33.239 about all the episode ones across the ten seasons, all 729 00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:35.800 the episode twos across the ten seasons, et cetera, et cetera. 730 00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:37.320 It's a fun way to kind of look back at 731 00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:38.760 the show. We have a lot of voices you've heard 732 00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:41.199 before and new voices and panels and having a good 733 00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:45.159 time just determining the ultimate season of Smallville. If you 734 00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:47.400 were gonna watch, you know, twenty two episodes, these are 735 00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:48.960 the twenty two to watch, so stay tune of that. 736 00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:51.079 And yeah, I just got to say it's been great. 737 00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:54.440 Oh always Mallville with one s on social media. Everybody 738 00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:57.079 and no Tom, thanks for having me back on the 739 00:35:57.079 --> 00:35:58.920 talking more comics, and so great to talk to Alan 740 00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:01.119 on here as well. We're big fans of your show 741 00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:02.800 and how I've been We've been on each other's show. 742 00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:04.440 I've been on all of you guys shows separately and 743 00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:07.079 together now It's it's really fun. And to Allen's point 744 00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:09.880 earlier about the community of these podcasters, like to me, 745 00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:11.440 that's part of the fun of it. To us, you know, 746 00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:13.719 we listen to our other shows and our own shows 747 00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:16.159 and they were able to cross over and sometimes our 748 00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:18.639 fandoms you know, have this Vinn diagram and for us 749 00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:20.760 three year you know, we love the Twilight Zone. So 750 00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:22.599 really fun to talk to both of you guys about 751 00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:23.119 this together. 752 00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:25.760 And I just want to say before I finish up, 753 00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:28.599 thanks to Zach, because it wasn't for Zach, I wouldn't 754 00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:30.519 have found the Twilight on podcast. It was Zach who 755 00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:33.239 recommended it to me about five years ago, and I 756 00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:36.000 listened to like fifteen years worth in about three weeks. 757 00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:38.800 So thank you very much, Zach, and I wouldn't. 758 00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:41.559 Be absolutely I love bringing people together. I'm Jesse Eisenberg's 759 00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:42.960 lex luthor Allen you know this, so. 760 00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:44.840 There you go. 761 00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:48.440 Well, gentlemen, it's been a pleasure, and we will country 762 00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:50.840 that on in the next two episodes, where we look 763 00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:54.719 at issues four and five off the IDW comic Now 764 00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:57.400 people are thinking, Tom when you're getting back to the 765 00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:02.400 Twilight Zone Podcast proper about the episode, and it's common, folks, 766 00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:05.119 it's coming. It's been a busy time. I'm currently working 767 00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:07.920 on the audio book of the Twilight Rounds, which is 768 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:12.920 Christopher Benedict's walk about Rod Saling and his boxing stories 769 00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:18.119 and his boxing experience, and I'm really enjoying that process, 770 00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:21.400 and once that is finished, we will get back to 771 00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:23.920 the Twilight Zone proper, so that won't be too long 772 00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:27.320 in the future. But in the meantime, I think these 773 00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:30.400 comic book issues are a nicer little way of just 774 00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:32.840 keeping things ticking over and seeing what else is going 775 00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:35.960 on in Twilight Zone media. So we will catch you 776 00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:39.079 next time here on the Twilight Zone Podcast. By for 777 00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:53.039 Now