Jakson The Light Gate Episode #119: Chris Styles (author/researcher) täydellinen litterointi

00:04:23.199 Well, Chris, Welcome Chris. 70 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:28.720 Yeah, thanks for having me again. So for sure charged up, 71 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:32.120 looking forward to it. Yeah. I love your show. I 72 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:35.319 love the format. I love the fact that you guys 73 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:38.360 really appreciate your fans as much as you do, and 74 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:41.279 that you let them know. I mean, you know others 75 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:43.920 do that, but not enough and not as well as 76 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:48.120 you do. You love your way of doing things. It's good, 77 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:56.120 you know anyway. Yeah, No, I'm here for to have whatever, 78 00:04:56.279 --> 00:04:59.240 talk about, whatever you would like, or whatever your fans 79 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:03.000 like or hopefully there's a few tough questions. I don't 80 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:07.079 get many of them. But I feel comfortable with that 81 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:09.040 because I'm one of these guys. I'm never afraid to 82 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:10.079 say I don't know. 83 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:13.879 Yeah, well, I wish more people were like that, because 84 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:17.399 people I always say, you know, I'm not an expert 85 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:21.240 in that, but I follow you know, I follow all 86 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:24.519 of youuthologies close as I can. But there's so much 87 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:25.759 going on right now, I mean. 88 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:28.240 We have it's overwhelming, it really is. 89 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:31.839 Yeah, you couldn't possibly follow read all the books. There's 90 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:35.839 you know, probably one hundred published each year. There's a 91 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:40.879 major progressional hearing tomorrow, I guess, so that should be interesting. 92 00:05:41.759 --> 00:05:44.319 We'll see it's more of the dog and Pony show, 93 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:48.399 which I kind of expect it will be. I'll keep 94 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:49.040 an open mind. 95 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:52.959 Well, it's not the first time there was one in history. 96 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:55.319 You know, we've been down this road before. You know, 97 00:05:55.360 --> 00:05:58.240 it has a modern twist to it, but there is 98 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:00.839 a recurrent theme here. I'm afraid I have to agree 99 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:05.199 with it. You know. It's disappointing and unfortunate, you know, 100 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:07.920 but I mean I went through this years ago as 101 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:11.160 a young fella, so excited. Both the cal didn't report 102 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:13.639 and then you know how that went out, and you know, 103 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:16.720 every other attempt like that, you know, so, but anyway, 104 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:21.240 you keep hoping, Yeah, right, we'll see. 105 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:24.480 I was really surprised. I was really surprised to find 106 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:27.279 out that there was an actual congressional hearing in the 107 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:31.519 sixties and it wasn't like life broadcast on TV, and 108 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:34.279 there certainly weren't podcasts and where people can watch it live. 109 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:36.680 But one actually happened, and I finally got to see 110 00:06:36.759 --> 00:06:41.040 film of it, and it shocked me because it was 111 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:46.199 held pretty much the way they're holding them now, just 112 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:49.079 a whole different set of people in them, and they 113 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:52.079 pretty much all were saying almost exactly the same thing 114 00:06:52.199 --> 00:06:55.519 with a little bit of twister Todace. And it hasn't 115 00:06:55.560 --> 00:06:58.879 evolved really not much, and I'm kind of hoping to 116 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:04.240 see it evolve. I want to see more people coming 117 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:07.160 to the four, not the usual players, you know. I 118 00:07:07.199 --> 00:07:09.639 want to say people with real honesty, goodness things to 119 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:12.759 say about it, and Congress sit there and listen, you know, 120 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:15.480 and actually put it into the record for real. 121 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:16.199 You know. 122 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:19.879 It's that's one of the things I hope for. 123 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:24.439 It might not get yeah, you know, ironically from the 124 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:28.040 Canadian perspective, one of the things I realize is the 125 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:32.920 current situation of the world of ethology is that the 126 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:36.079 the way that our governments are involved yours and mine 127 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:39.399 now is the exact reverse of how it was in 128 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:43.040 the sixties. You know, in the sixties when the Condon 129 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:46.720 Committee ended, you know, the decision was that there was 130 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:50.160 nothing worthy of scientific study for the Air Force and 131 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:54.319 to discontinue. Canada got extremely serious. Back then, it made 132 00:07:54.360 --> 00:07:59.199 a very serious effort, you know, uh, you know, had budgets, 133 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:04.120 did actually investigations. And in today's age, you know, there's 134 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:07.120 like you say, you know, we'll have to see. We 135 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:10.680 could end up disappointed. But they're making all the noises 136 00:08:10.759 --> 00:08:13.399 like they're very interested, you know, south of the border 137 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:17.000 up here officially, even though like last week, I get 138 00:08:17.079 --> 00:08:21.839 questions about cases about Jack Arbard, about cases by the 139 00:08:21.879 --> 00:08:25.240 head of Operational Space Awareness at the Department

of National 140 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:31.240 Offense to me, you know it, they also mentioned, oh, officially, 141 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:33.480 we're out of the UFO business, and that's not why 142 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:36.840 we're asking. So it's strange, you know that our roles 143 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:40.759 have reversed, you know, the attitude between then and now. 144 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:43.159 But you know something, when I hear so much now 145 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:46.080 the seam down cell seems to be of whistleblowers and 146 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:48.600 the people coming forward. But you know, there was an 147 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:52.879 earlier age of whistle blowers in the US, back in 148 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:57.639 the very early sixties before Condon. And that too because 149 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:01.120 one of the gentlemen reported to be part of MG 150 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:06.120 twelve Roscoe Hill encounter, the Admiral right, did interviews with 151 00:09:06.279 --> 00:09:10.679 the New York paper newspapers, right, and he claimed that, 152 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:13.159 you know that there was something real to it. It 153 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:16.159 was being held by the Air Force, and you know, 154 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:21.200 like was very much a proponent for UFO reality, you know, 155 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:24.759 and that kind of period and how it eventually fizzled 156 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:26.559 out is often forgotten. 157 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:30.039 You know, what I'd really like to see is have 158 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:34.120 Congress bring up a panel of well vetted UFO contact 159 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:39.679 is like Whitley Strieber, Travis Walton, Chris Bledsoe, Dolly Saffron 160 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:43.559 and you know, just some people who you know, have 161 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:48.240 real contact and something to say about it. And because 162 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:52.000 that's to me, the absolute heart of the phenomenon. It's 163 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:58.679 not sightings, it's the whistleblower is definitely a real truck 164 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:01.879 cutting edge with lots of potential to change the way 165 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:04.600 we look at things. But let's face that people are 166 00:10:04.639 --> 00:10:07.759 having contact or have had contact, and that deserves to 167 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:14.000 be heard, all right, So Chris, for those who are 168 00:10:14.279 --> 00:10:17.960 absolutely new to you, can you might just give a 169 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:20.039 little rundown of how you got involved in the whole 170 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:22.080 UFO business. 171 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:28.279 Yeah. Yeah. There used to be a show on I 172 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:32.360 used to really enjoy watching called Unsolved Mysteries, you know, 173 00:10:32.440 --> 00:10:37.879 the original version of it there, And I was watching 174 00:10:38.360 --> 00:10:41.759 a broadcast of

that. I think it was actually a 175 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:44.159 repeat at the time, and it was the first I'd 176 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:47.799 heard of the Roswell incident. And this would have been 177 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:52.679 back in April of nineteen ninety two, and I watched 178 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:56.840 it with a close friend and afterwards she asked me, 179 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:00.480 it's such a thing possible? Then I said, I know 180 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:03.600 it is because we had this happen here in Nova Scotia. 181 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:06.840 And of course she'd never heard about it. And she 182 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:10.200 dared me to call Stanton Friedman and she said, you know, 183 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:14.759 he lives at Fredericton, which her parents lived in, and 184 00:11:14.799 --> 00:11:17.960 she handed me the old landline and double dog dared 185 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:19.679 me to make the call and I said I would, 186 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:21.919 and she goes, I know you're never going to do it, 187 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:24.480 do it now? You know? It was like that and 188 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:27.679 I literally thought, okay, got to say face. They are 189 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:30.440 got to make the call. And in those days I 190 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:32.639 didn't have a calling plan. I don't think there was 191 00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:36.240 any in Canada. I called the long distance operator old 192 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:38.960 school and asked if there was a number listing for 193 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:43.279 Stanton Freed in Everton. To my surprise, there was was 194 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:46.679 a listed number. I called it and it was immediately 195 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:50.440 intercepted by a human answering service and they said he 196 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:52.840 was out of town, but if it was an emergency 197 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:57.159 like they had a contact number, and I said, yeah, okay, 198 00:11:57.279 --> 00:11:59.519 you know, because somebody was poking me in the chest, 199 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:03.279 they make the call, you know. So they gave me 200 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:06.279 the number. I called. Stanton was in Austin, Texas. I 201 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:08.320 didn't ask where he was or you know, when they 202 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:11.320 gave me the number or checked the area code, and 203 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:13.360 I made, you know, I called, and he picked up 204 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:17.279 the phone and I started telling him my vague recollections. 205 00:12:17.320 --> 00:12:19.720 At the time, I was twelve during the Shag Harbor 206 00:12:19.799 --> 00:12:22.440 incident and I was one hundred and seventy five miles 207 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:25.000 away from it. But I did see a UFO the 208 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:28.360 same night, as many people did. Over Nova Scotia. There 209 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:31.639 were many reported settings, and the one I'd seen

had 210 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:35.320 reached the newspaper here in the city. My grandfather was 211 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:38.720 on vacation, my maternal grandfather, down in Shag Harbor. He 212 00:12:38.879 --> 00:12:43.200 was one of the many non reporting witnesses at the time, 213 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:46.960 you know. And I didn't remember the date. I knew 214 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:51.440 it was sixties. And you know, Stanton, even though he 215 00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:55.039 was about to leave for a conference, you know, in Austin, 216 00:12:56.120 --> 00:12:58.200 he took about twenty minutes out of his time to 217 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:01.080 listen to me, and he gave me some very basic 218 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:04.279 practical advice. And I remember the person he said is well, 219 00:13:04.279 --> 00:13:05.799 he said, you sound like the sort of guy that 220 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:08.559 might pursue this. He said, if you decide to do that, 221 00:13:08.879 --> 00:13:11.440 you're going to have an easier time than I did. 222 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:14.840 And I said, well, how do you know that? What 223 00:13:14.840 --> 00:13:20.480 what's that based on? He said, Fisherman never moved, you know, 224 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:23.320 just real And he gave me a number of tips 225 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:24.559 and that was how it began. 226 00:13:25.600 --> 00:13:25.840 Wow. 227 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:28.799 And then he said, I'm going to pasture em onto 228 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:31.240 the Fund for UFO Research and they sent me an 229 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:34.240 application and I sent it in and they funded me 230 00:13:34.320 --> 00:13:36.759 to go to Ottawa and go through National Archives for 231 00:13:36.799 --> 00:13:39.639 two weeks and I did, and one thing led to 232 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:43.320 another and the rest is history, you know. But the 233 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:45.360 thing is, you know what I called Stanton? He had 234 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:48.720 not heard of the case, never heard of it, and 235 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:52.399 you know he was a UFO crash scenario specialist, right, 236 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:57.799 and you know, but you know who did he asked? 237 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:01.080 He called several researchers and closed friends. And the first 238 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:04.080 guy called it, remembered it and remembered it well, was 239 00:14:04.120 --> 00:14:08.279 get This first was Richard Hall, the late Richard Hall, 240 00:14:08.879 --> 00:14:13.840 and the next one was fill Class, and they both 241 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:17.320 remembered it. And surprisingly Class said, you know there was 242 00:14:17.320 --> 00:14:20.759 something to that, and something really strange did happen there? 243 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:23.279 Did How I'm going to take him to show up 244 00:14:25.799 --> 00:14:27.720 we're at? In other words, did he come and see you? 245 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:29.879 Who? Who? Stanton? 246 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:32.720 Yeah? 247 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:35.759 I know I went to see him. We corresponded by 248 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:39.000 phone mostly for some time. A couple of months later 249 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:43.919 we met exchange boxes. The documents I already put in 250 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:46.840 request and was getting huge amounts of stuff. We met. 251 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:53.759 He came down just sixty miles from me. Yeah, I 252 00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:58.639 was doing a talking trot with the A. 253 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:03.559 You're garbling up just a bit there. 254 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:11.039 There, and I went down there to meet him. 255 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:16.559 Lose the internet. 256 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:17.080 We back. 257 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:21.080 Yeah, we have Corona hall stream hitness right now. It's 258 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:23.360 not okay, yeah, well. 259 00:15:25.480 --> 00:15:30.399 Your images. Can you hear us? 260 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:33.200 Uh? 261 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:36.320 Oh, I think hold on, hold on. 262 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:44.120 Here us hear me now as they say, yeah, you know, yeah, 263 00:15:44.200 --> 00:15:45.360 can you I can hear you? 264 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:46.679 Yes? 265 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:48.799 Are we going to try if I. 266 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:54.200 Coming in from the sun. It's impacting us right now. 267 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:56.399 We have a big you know, a bunch of corner 268 00:15:56.399 --> 00:16:00.440 whole stream coming in. Yeah, and this small all see 269 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:04.840 me maybe starting right now coming in as well. So yeah, 270 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:08.159 it's probably not due to me till tomorrow, but that 271 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:09.360 doesn't mean anything. 272 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:13.440 So the show has to be one of the biggest 273 00:16:13.879 --> 00:16:19.320 UFO incidents really in US history or US history world history. 274 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:26.559 Well, yeah, because you know, unlike other crafts scenarios, you know, 275 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:30.200 there there's a lot of official documentation that was always 276 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:33.879 unrestricted and no one had just ever gone looking for 277 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:36.919 it really and gathered it in one place. But I 278 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:41.080 also decided I was going to meet all the people involved, 279 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:44.639 the RCMP officers, royal Canadian amount of police that respawned, 280 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:48.440 the original eyewitnesses that called in, the people that were 281 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:51.720 running the air desk that was Canada's equivalent of Blue 282 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:54.679 Book at the time, and it was amazing. They were 283 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:59.360 all quite open. They met me. They were, uh, the 284 00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:03.480 air desk staff were very interesting to meet the fellow

285 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:06.160 who investigated the shag Hartard and said it was squadron 286 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:11.359 leader William Bain, you know, a very seasoned pilot in 287 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:13.680 the Air Force, was given a desk job after he 288 00:17:13.720 --> 00:17:17.279 had a serious crash and survived with what they's called 289 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:20.359 the widow Maker, the old a F one o fours 290 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:25.400 in Germany. And you know, he was just amazing and 291 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:27.599 he said to this day. They were quite convinced it 292 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:29.799 was the real deal, you know what I mean. They 293 00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:35.279 did an investigation to put it in perspective. In nineteen 294 00:17:35.359 --> 00:17:38.279 sixty seven, the Air Desk received two hundred and fifty 295 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:41.480 six reports from police or the Royal Canadian mount of Police. 296 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:45.759 They would sift through that and they did nine on 297 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:49.480 site investigations in the cases that seemed most worthy, where 298 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:52.640 they spent moneys and heard where men like I say, 299 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:56.240 it wasn't just a fotting system like Bluebook had descended into, 300 00:17:56.480 --> 00:18:00.960 you know. Unfortunately a few years later the decision was 301 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:05.640 made to take investigation of UFOs and UFO incidents right 302 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:09.880 away from the military and give them the candidate's National 303 00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:13.160 Research Council. Initially it worked well, there was a couple 304 00:18:13.160 --> 00:18:16.480 of dedicated people, but as they retired, nobody took it 305 00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:20.519 up seriously to replace those people in positions of power. 306 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:24.200 And by nineteen ninety nine it had weathered to nothing, 307 00:18:24.279 --> 00:18:27.319 and you know, it was just allowed to fade away. 308 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:31.240 You know, had become a political hot potato by then 309 00:18:31.319 --> 00:18:32.039 in this country. 310 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:36.440 Makes me think of ro here. You know, everybody put 311 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:39.480 a great thing and it's turning into be a you know, 312 00:18:39.519 --> 00:18:40.519 a bubble that popped. 313 00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:43.799 Yeah, you know, because you know, back then, you look 314 00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:46.720 at the military cases and the investigations they did here, 315 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:50.440 they were very serious. And you know when you look 316 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:53.640 at cases like shag Harbor or the Stephan the hal 317 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:59.240 Of case. Spoke in Lake Manitoba, that landing case, they disagreed, 318 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:01.240 but the Cognite Committee and met with some of the 319 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:04.319 researchers there, like they thought that was quite genuine. You know, 320 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:07.440 when they looked at the and you look at the 321 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:11.279 analysis that they did and the effort they brought to there, 322 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:14.960 you know, they were very serious, you know, and sometimes 323 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:18.480 they would even pitch suggestions of the government of saying, like, 324 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:21.640 for example, in Nova Scotia, we should have keep three 325 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:25.559 helicopters spread throughout the province and unless they're needed for 326 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:28.279 search and rescue or a critical case, they're on standby 327 00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:31.480 all the time for UFO cases. They were quite serious 328 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:34.839 and did a very good job, and I think not 329 00:19:35.079 --> 00:19:38.599 enough tension has been brought to that sort of positive history. 330 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:41.519 You know, the Air Force here took the took the 331 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:46.000 charge of investigating UFOs quite seriously. There was quite an 332 00:19:46.039 --> 00:19:49.400 effort by the Navy in this country, but they enjoyed 333 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:52.920 the situation that they were not charged to have to 334 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:56.000 interface with the public, you know, the Air Force, you know, 335 00:19:56.079 --> 00:19:59.480 because people thought flying air objects, you know, they were 336 00:19:59.559 --> 00:20:01.880 kind of like so the Navy kind of walked their 337 00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:05.279 own line and did whatever they wanted. But they certainly 338 00:20:05.319 --> 00:20:11.279 investigated the phenomena here, and in fact, the Navy had 339 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:14.880 here did defense research and such things. They actually began 340 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:18.640 to do this during World War two nineteen forty two 341 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:22.200 and continues to this day. And they have a special 342 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:28.240 facility that here that acts autonomously and only response to 343 00:20:28.279 --> 00:20:31.880 the government in terms of finance matters and funding. You know, 344 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:35.960 the government actually has no direct control over it and 345 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:39.839 even the managers in the facility here it's now called 346 00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:45.960 the Atlantic Center of Research and Development Canada. The research 347 00:20:46.039 --> 00:20:50.359 projects are decided by the bench scientists. Very unusual setup. 348 00:20:50.720 --> 00:20:52.680 There's a long history. I'm not going to take up 349 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:56.119 too much time with it. But the government kind of 350 00:20:56.160 --> 00:20:58.720 had to a grease and savored the person were actually 351 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:02.920 you know, had own defense initiative here. To bring them 352

00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:04.920 into the fold, they had to kind of give them 353 00:21:05.039 --> 00:21:09.519 cart blaunch, which was you know, to be autonomous. But 354 00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:13.480 you know, accessing that stuff is quite something. You know, 355 00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:17.240 it's pretty much impossible. You know, they're not charged. Would 356 00:21:17.240 --> 00:21:20.240 happen interface with the public, the air Force things gone away, 357 00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:23.079 and now it leaves us a oh, it's the complete 358 00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:26.519 reverse of what happened in the sixties and when we 359 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:29.079 were very active and very serious and the US was 360 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:34.480 dismissing it. Now we're in the reverse situation here, I guess. 361 00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:37.759 And yet the head of Operational Space of Awareness you know, 362 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:42.160 sends me inquiries about cases, but they're not in the business. 363 00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:44.319 He says, make it of that as you will. 364 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:47.359 Yeah, well, I feel like we should have a government 365 00:21:47.880 --> 00:21:51.720 body that does interface with the public. And there's truth 366 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:55.759 and transparency with the subject, because if we actually put time, money, 367 00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:59.400 and attention to this, it would absolutely change the way 368 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:02.720 people think about this. Well, it shouldn't considered a fringe topic. 369 00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:05.000 It really shouldn't about at all. And the thing is, 370 00:22:05.079 --> 00:22:07.839 you know, often you know, these things veiled under the 371 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:11.000 guise of national security. I don't think that has a 372 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:12.359 lot to do it. You know what I think it is. 373 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:15.279 I think it's a reversal. I think it's national insecurity. 374 00:22:16.279 --> 00:22:20.720 I have massive budgets and massive black budgets, right, and 375 00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:23.200 the truth is they don't really know what's going on 376 00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:24.200 for the most part. 377 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:32.480 Well, one thing I'm interested in is, you know, you know, 378 00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:36.240 talking bringing it to the scheck Harbor conference. How long 379 00:22:36.279 --> 00:22:39.160 has this been going on? And what's what inspired you 380 00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:41.200 to start doing this conference? 381 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:44.519 Well in its current format of being in the town 382 00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:47.319 of Yarmouth and being at the road grand and bringing 383 00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:51.599 in US and other international researchers, right, I mean we've 384 00:22:51.640 --> 00:22:55.519 had people from you know, all over you know, in 385 00:22:55.640 --> 00:22:59.319 past years. This is the fourth year for it being 386 00:22:59.359 --> 00:23:03.119 in this fourth at Before this, events were simply held 387 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:06.559 in fire halls and churchills in the fishing village right. 388 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:09.960 They It was always the hope of the community and 389 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:13.519 the people of the surrounding communities in Shelbourne County to 390 00:23:13.559 --> 00:23:17.039 grow this. But as I told them and they eventually listened, 391 00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:21.119 it was unfortunately there's not the facilities there to have it. 392 00:23:21.279 --> 00:23:24.519 You know, that's a very rural area and they're just 393 00:23:24.559 --> 00:23:27.720 as nowhere you can have an actual convention or bringing 394 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:33.519 people very little hotel space. Right However, Yarmouth is certainly 395 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:37.279 within striking distance and by going there, you know, you're 396 00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:39.680 in a place where the ferry comes over from Maine. 397 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:45.079 You know, you can still do a tour from there 398 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:48.240 to the area. Yet people can be comfortable, you know, 399 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:52.759 and it's worked out well. The other thing is the 400 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:57.200 community of Yarmouth, the county and surrounding other rural areas 401 00:23:57.200 --> 00:24:00.799 have supported it greatly. You know, we get financial support 402 00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:03.680 and many other kinds of support for the communities. They've 403 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:07.759 embraced it, which is great, you know, and you know 404 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:10.640 it's been to our benefit. And you know, we had 405 00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:13.400 a hard time getting this thing started because when the 406 00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:18.119 decision was first made that we're gonna crank this up 407 00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:20.240 a notch and go to the big town in Armouth, 408 00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:25.240 which is anything. But Betty Gill used to like going there. 409 00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:27.960 She was always asking me about people still there, you know, 410 00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:30.119 when Betty was still alive and I'd be speaking with 411 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:35.559 her somewhere. Oh it was funny, you know. I guess 412 00:24:35.559 --> 00:24:37.880 she loved Nova Scotia, you know, and she'd ask about 413 00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:40.160 the little places, always like is so and so still 414 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:43.079 alive in Yarmouth? You know? Is this fella still alive? 415 00:24:43.160 --> 00:24:46.920 And Tata mcgoush, you know, in these little tiny fishing 416 00:24:46.960 --> 00:24:52.359 ports and villages, you know. But boy, yeah she was 417 00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:58.039 a card too, that's for sure. But so, yeah, it was. 418 00:24:58.759 --> 00:25:00.920 We had a hard time because when we were trying 419 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:02.960 to get birth of

the saying crank it up a notch, 420 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:05.960 we're next thing. You know, we were into COVID right 421 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:08.759 and all that. The restrictions of bringing people across the 422 00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:13.880 border made it impossible three times, like it took three 423 00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:16.200 times before we had the first one, you know that 424 00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:18.480 you know, there was a chance of it pulling off, 425 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:21.279 and then we had to dodge a few hurricanes. A 426 00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:24.599 lot of people, I know, they're not great on geography, 427 00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:26.839 ceuth of the border. When I say Nova Scotia, they're like, 428 00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:30.720 this is halfway to Greenland and well, depending on where 429 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:34.960 you live, it might be half way uh continent the US. 430 00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:40.839 But the thing is, yeah, you know, we do get hurricanes. 431 00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:42.400 We don't get them off. When we get them, we 432 00:25:42.440 --> 00:25:45.079 usually get a good kicking out of them. I'll tell you. You know, 433 00:25:46.039 --> 00:25:48.160 we've had some. We've had lots of life here in 434 00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:51.240 the city of Halifax, even from hurricanes, and you know, 435 00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:53.880 really have setback. But you know, we only get a 436 00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:56.680 bad one about once every ten years here. It's not Florida, 437 00:25:56.920 --> 00:25:59.599 you know. But then again, I called Nova Scotia. The 438 00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:02.839 tail in North America hangs out in there into the Atlantic, 439 00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:06.680 has its own little sort of subclimate, kind of like 440 00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:09.359 keep caught, you know what I mean. But we do 441 00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:10.200 get hurricanes. 442 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:15.319 Yeah, I know it's not because man, it's going to 443 00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:17.960 be October. That's the one thing that I was thinking, 444 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:19.720 Please don't let there be a hurricane when we go. 445 00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:23.599 I've been sending messages out to the universe just let 446 00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:24.680 it be. Leave it alone. 447 00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:27.960 No, no, no, we don't want one. Yeah. You know, we 448 00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:31.480 had a conference in Dartmouth years ago, long before this 449 00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:33.880 thing here, and it was part of a documentary that 450 00:26:34.039 --> 00:26:37.880 was done back at the time and I'll never forget it. 451 00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:40.799 And we had a bad one to hit, Hurricane wand 452 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:43.480 and it did a lot of damage in the city. 453 00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:46.960 And the facility we had was right on the waterfront 454 00:26:46.960 --> 00:26:49.440 and the tights were so high they came up over 455 00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:53.119 that part of the waterfront and the street. And I 456 00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:55.960 mean when I went down the next day, I saw 457 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:59.519 them shoveling starfish and all kinds of stuff off the 458 00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:04.680 building steps. Yeah, it was that bad. I remember that. Yeah, 459 00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:08.759 but it just goes to show you. Yeah, we were 460 00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:11.119 with no power about two weeks, and it was it 461 00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:16.440 looked like you know, Katrina. You know, we were it 462 00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:19.640 was only like a category two but you know, but 463 00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:22.160 it was like the perfect storm and it had hit 464 00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:24.640 it high tide coming in from the right side of 465 00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:27.200 the city, you know what I mean, everything was against it. 466 00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:29.759 And we got really kicked out of that one. But 467 00:27:29.920 --> 00:27:32.240 we managed to pull off that conference. Now that had 468 00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:34.559 nothing to do with the you know, yarm of the 469 00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:37.559 event we're having. But we've dodged all the ones down there, 470 00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:40.119 so we don't get many. But I have to say 471 00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:42.279 it tends to be that time of year we get 472 00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:46.119 them September October when we do. But one in ten years, 473 00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:48.839 you know, just takes a little bit of luck, you know, 474 00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:51.519 and we've been getting it so far. In fact, we've 475 00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:54.279 had very good weather and people off from America surprise 476 00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:56.920 how good the weather can be. But then again that 477 00:27:56.960 --> 00:27:58.759 can change. In Nova Scotia, you know, we have a 478 00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:01.559 couple of sayings here. One of them is what follows 479 00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:07.039 two days of rain Monday? Yeah, you know, and of 480 00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:09.640 course if you don't like the wind. The other older 481 00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:11.240 one is, you know, if you don't like the weather, 482 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:15.160 wait ten minutes, right, because we're almost Anihland. It's you know, 483 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:17.079 we hang out there in the Atlantic, you know, it's 484 00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:21.319 the Peninsula, and you know, weather can be something, you know, 485 00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:23.759 and yet we've gone through just now a period of 486 00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:26.599 drought and had trouble with forest fires, and you know 487 00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:34.359 that's pretty unusual here. But anything's possible, you know. But 488 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:37.759 Halifax is the northernmost ice free port and this is 489 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:41.559 like south of that, so it's unlikely. Although once in

490 00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:44.240 the last two hundred years we did get pack ice 491 00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:47.720 one year in nineteen seventy, never happened again. It was 492 00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:50.000 it was more to do with wind than anything had 493 00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:53.319 brought it down from iceberg alley, you know, a very 494 00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:57.759 unusual precondition. But I'm so looking forward to meeting your 495 00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:00.759 two guys there and being able to look. We're going 496 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:02.559 to pick you up at the airport and go down 497 00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:05.400 like the probably the Funday side of the province and 498 00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:09.400 maybe come up the Atlantic. Hopefully I can arrange that 499 00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:11.920 you've got to come on the tour, you know, when 500 00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:19.279 they do the saying that's the great thing about this too, 501 00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:22.559 because we know exactly where everything happened. There's no doute 502 00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:24.880 about these cases, and we can take you back there. 503 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:27.720 The Coast Guard will show up and fire some players 504 00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:31.039 out where it happened and that, yeah, we got that 505 00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:36.799 kind of okay, you know, but there's no dot is 506 00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:40.240 the location. And the very last thing we're going to do, 507 00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:43.400 which ties in with my latest book, the shelving cases 508 00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:46.000 will be at the gates of the base, which was 509 00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:49.559 Canada's most secret base at the time the first seven 510 00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:53.079 years of operation. It was the US base on Canadian soil. 511 00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:57.920 It was the command control center, the central hub for 512 00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:02.319 the world social system. The US had built right, you know, 513 00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:06.759 sonar and magnetic anomaly detection to track Soviet It's up right. 514 00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:12.000 It operated under a cover story, and it was has 515 00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:14.519 quite the history. We'll go right to the base. The 516 00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:17.640 buildings are all still standing there there like and usually 517 00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:19.519 we just go in the entrance a bit and I 518 00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:21.960 stand there and I can point out where that NATO 519 00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:24.920 mission occurred, and I can name every ship that's there, 520 00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:29.279 US and whatever. And you know, I'll be talking about 521 00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:32.000 that at the conference and showing excerpts from the actual 522 00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:35.720 ships logs. And you know this is not as told 523 00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:38.400 by Commander X. It's a matter of history. You know. 524 00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:42.680 It's like the Shang Harberinson, you know. I mean, it's 525 00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:47.400 a compelling argument for UFO reality. I mean, it's you 526 00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:50.039 got to admit. It's unusual when somebody before he passed, 527 00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:52.240 like Phil Klass come up to me when did his picture? 528 00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:55.079 Take it with me, hit me on the back and said, wow, 529 00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:59.519 excellent work done. He said, you yeah. And then he said, 530 00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:02.599 as they were taking the picture, he says, you know, 531 00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:05.039 I'll probably go on my website and try explain this. 532 00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:08.160 He goes, don't let that bother you. He was very gracious. 533 00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:11.000 I had to laugh, to be honest. When I first 534 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:12.920 met him, you know, I remember how I thought of 535 00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:15.480 him as a boy. When you see a picture room 536 00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:19.920 in the old books like the Hineck Report or the 537 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:23.559 UFO Experience. You know this back then, the thin man 538 00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:27.799 with the skinny black tie and all these awful attitudes, 539 00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:29.880 you know. But when I met him, he was I 540 00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:31.880 had to almost feel sorry for him. But he was 541 00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:35.960 very gracious and very complimentary and said, you know, as 542 00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:37.960 stood my technique, and he said, no, no, something did 543 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:40.279 happen there, and you've done an amazing job, you know. 544 00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:45.200 And yeah, and when they sit there. But you know, 545 00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:48.920 like I said, I don't get that many tough questions. 546 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:54.279 Most of them have werened not to try to attack. Well. 547 00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:57.119 In fact, Stanton gave me the name I should have 548 00:31:57.200 --> 00:31:58.680 wore the T shirt. I have to do this on 549 00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:01.960 the groupmate me a tears shirt. Stanton gave me the 550 00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:05.440 name the bulldog they usually get, you know, and the 551 00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:07.440 group down there made me a T shirt. One here 552 00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:12.000 is quite something. Shows shows a bulldog crunching down a 553 00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:17.039 flying saucer. You know what my name, Chris the bulldog 554 00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:21.319 styles on it, you know. But Stanton said that at 555 00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:23.400 the start of one of the Canadian dogs, and somehow 556 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:24.680 would just stock you know. 557 00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:30.640 All right, So here's the it's October third to fifth. Yeah, 558 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:33.240 it might be interesting to do, is just take a 559 00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:37.759 look at some of the speakers

we have. Here's Mark Dantonio, 560 00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:41.359 who had on the show by the way. Yeah, well 561 00:32:41.720 --> 00:32:44.240 he's going to be amazing if he's. 562 00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:45.920 Involved with a lot of things, and of course everybody 563 00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:48.240 sees them, and we see him up here and shows 564 00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:51.559 like the proof that's out there and you know, and 565 00:32:51.799 --> 00:32:54.079 you know many others, right, you know, and of course 566 00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:58.440 we know is interested in astronomy and video analysis. And 567 00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:00.880 I'm looking for him and I ever met yet, it'll 568 00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:03.640 be first time in fact, and I've got a great 569 00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:06.160 little couple of shots I want to give him and 570 00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:09.599 get his analysis on that. Somebody brought forward recently and 571 00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:12.079 I could have sent them ousewhere, but I was holding 572 00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:13.039 on to him for him. 573 00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:15.079 That's fantastic. 574 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:18.720 Yeah, he was on our show. He's a riot and boys, 575 00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:22.680 he intelligent. We're really going out and it was amazing. 576 00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:27.319 I love felt that he's online almost every night showing disguise. 577 00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:31.359 You know, he has different telescopes that he can triangulate, 578 00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:34.440 and it's incredible the amount of information and he has 579 00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.119 a free ability for you to take pictures of the 580 00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:39.279 sky and you can send him a message and say, 581 00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:40.200 can you focus on this. 582 00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:42.880 I'll have to check it out. You know, I I 583 00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:45.680 rarely find enough time for this. I'm so busy the 584 00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:48.599 road and doing other things. But I've heard about that 585 00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:51.359 he is quite following up here, you know, one of 586 00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:54.880 the reasons why we invited him up. Yeah. 587 00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:59.599 I excited to hear him speak firsthand because he has 588 00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:01.839 so much information. 589 00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:04.400 And getting people together. You know, this is what I 590 00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:08.320 love about these things is otherwise you know, you miss this, 591 00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:10.920 And to me, that's the real gift, you know, like 592 00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:13.280 that's what makes the hair stand up in your neck, 593 00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:16.280 when you meet the personality, when you meet the real witnesses, 594 00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:20.159 when you hear the stories, when you feel it, you 595 00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:22.360 know what I mean. I wanted to see on the 596 00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:25.760

screen and this is great, but I'm looking so forward 597 00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:26.840 to meeting all of them. 598 00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:29.039 It's different. 599 00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:32.760 Well, it's all about you know, you got to be there. 600 00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:37.559 Right Darth, We're see there it is. He just put 601 00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:42.719 out a new movie. I guess you would call it 602 00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:47.679 a movie, and it's psychic the New phenomenon or psychic 603 00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:52.159 ability the phenomenon, and it's interesting. I started I watched 604 00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:55.840 the the pre show of it and we're gonna watch 605 00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:58.880 it tomorrow just I want to see it, and because 606 00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:01.440 I'm never really seen anything he's done before, so I'm 607 00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:02.400 gonna pay attention to this. 608 00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:04.760 Yeah, and he's going to have something new for us. 609 00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:08.119 We haven't seen here and we've had him up before 610 00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:10.559 and they wanted him back, and we're doing it, and 611 00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:13.519 we're going to open this year with them, and I'll 612 00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:16.039 tell you why. That was a very much a conscious 613 00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:18.360 decision on my part, and I brought it to the group. 614 00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:21.559 You know, there's a lot of people involved. When he 615 00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:24.360 said that I organize, I'm just one small part of it. 616 00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:27.079 I helped sort of interface with the talent, is the 617 00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:30.719 way I put it. But these people like Darcy, he 618 00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:34.039 was there last year and he, you know, everybody enjoyed it. 619 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:36.920 The trouble was at the end of the Saturday program 620 00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:39.480 where we have and you sit on those hard chairs 621 00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:41.760 all day and then you tried to watch a two 622 00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:45.159 hour movie or something, you know, and I thought it 623 00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:47.440 was unfair to him and the people. As much as 624 00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:49.920 they liked it, it was an ordeal and I said, 625 00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:51.760 you know, you've got to open and let them do 626 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:52.679 that at. 627 00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:55.800 The start, right that's a really good thing. 628 00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:56.559 Yeah. Yeah. 629 00:35:56.599 --> 00:35:59.400 We try to think of the speakers and what best 630 00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:02.840 you know, presents them in the best light and allows 631 00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:07.199 them to be more enjoy you know, most enjoyed. You know, well, 632 00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:07.639 I like that. 633 00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:10.559 You know when you go to that conference you have 634 00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:12.440 the chance to see all the speakers. Because I went 635 00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:15.559 to Contact in the desert and it was just oh yeah. 636 00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:17.719 This is this is this is small time. It's not 637 00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:21.039 close and personal. It's professionally done. We have a like 638 00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:24.360 dedicated audio visual guy in computer guy who's a real 639 00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:27.119 whiz there, you know where I kept telling them, you know, 640 00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:29.639 you have to do this, you have to make a 641 00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:32.719 certain standard here. But at the same time, it is 642 00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:38.679 up close and personal and everybody makes time for everybody 643 00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:41.480 and and they've loved it, and you know, all those 644 00:36:41.480 --> 00:36:44.519 that have participated, we've had people come back and come 645 00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:46.639 back the second time, and God be a nick Pope 646 00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:49.239 twice we had and you know, we've got a one 647 00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:52.400 great tradition here too. We've had a number of cases. 648 00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:55.480 Unfortunately it's happened with us. We had Kevin Randall booked 649 00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:59.719 earlier and you know, his health, his issue came up, 650 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:03.360 and but if God willing we can have them back, 651 00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:06.480 make sure we will. We've had several speakers where we've 652 00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:08.599 held a spot a year or two and they said, well, 653 00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:11.039 look i'd like to come and and we do that 654 00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:13.000 and we'll get them back. You know what I mean. 655 00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:15.519 Last year we weren't able to make it. We were 656 00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:17.000 going to come and then. 657 00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:20.360 Oh no, no, we strive to do that honestly, like 658 00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:23.000 you know, Yeah, it's awesome. 659 00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:26.800 Yeah, marc Antonio is going to talk about how UFOs 660 00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:31.199 get from here to there. That should be interesting. Let's 661 00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:37.960 see darcywears Puerto Rico UAPs all right, Puerto Rico has 662 00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:42.679 an enormous amount of activity. And then there's this guy, Yeah, 663 00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:46.119 I've heard of him. I'm excited. I'm going to be 664 00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:49.960 presenting on some of the more extensive cases of UFO contact. 665 00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:53.480 You know when I read your book on school yard encounters, 666 00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:56.800 right then, long before I went we got to this format, 667 00:37:56.960 --> 00:37:59.440 or how I thought, man, as soon as we can, 668 00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:02.440 we got to get at him there. That book gets Yeah, 669 00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:04.599 I remember when you

were on that little show. I 670 00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:07.360 had to They couldn't bend my arm and make me 671 00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:10.400 do it anymore. I had going up here right, it 672 00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:13.480 just just wasn't my thing. I'm so busy out there 673 00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:16.599 in the field and knocking on doors and crawling around 674 00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:21.599 and losing sleep, et cetera. But when when I read 675 00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:23.360 that book, I thought that was it. I remember when 676 00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:25.079 you were on the show like we kind of had 677 00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:26.920 a we were kind of a kindred spirit, and that 678 00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:29.559 I had eight years experience in special ed, you know 679 00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:32.920 what I mean, and you know that you had bothered 680 00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:35.320 to look at this from a child's perspective. I found 681 00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:40.840 it very fascinating, and yeah, I knew right then. I thought, well, 682 00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:43.679 I kind of meet this guy. Gotta get him up here. Now, 683 00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:46.320 got to tell this group you gotta have. 684 00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:51.119 It's fine because I rarely do conferences these days, ever 685 00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:53.400 since twenty twenty or so. I used to do them 686 00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:56.000 once or twice a year. Now it's once a year. 687 00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:59.960 If yeah, well, I must admit, you know, and some people, 688 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:03.880 you know, like I know, people like Kevin Randall, do 689 00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:06.119 very few. But when I called him, he says, because 690 00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:09.800 it's you call it our you know, like, and you know, 691 00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:12.840 I hear that a number of times, and you know, 692 00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:16.599 I'm sure they're being kind, but sometimes I do realize 693 00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:19.519 when they come and you meet them, you realize it 694 00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:22.679 was quite genuine, you know what I mean. They they 695 00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:25.880 realize that things are a bit different here and the 696 00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:31.119 effort and the understanding, and you know, it's it's just different, 697 00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:33.400 that's all. You know. Different is always good to me, 698 00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:36.639 you know, right, all right? 699 00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:39.360 And then we have this speaker who I've heard before 700 00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:43.320 at to give a little bit of a preview about 701 00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:44.480 what you're going to talk about. 702 00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:51.119 Basically how this all came about for me. And I'm 703 00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:53.199 going to go through some of my experiences and stuff 704 00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:55.159 like that and things that I've learned and what I know. 705 00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:58.199 And I

do have one thing that I'm adding into 706 00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:00.840 it at the end of my presentation, and that is 707 00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:04.559 ET has given me a message to give to y'all, 708 00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:08.599 and so I'm going to tell you now that's coming, and. 709 00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:11.679 That's good before too. 710 00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:15.960 So they have a last message, and so it's coming 711 00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:21.599 through me. I've spent two weeks now being uh educated 712 00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:23.719 about what it's going to be, and I have to 713 00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:26.079 take dictation at this point. He's going to make me 714 00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:28.239 sit down one night coming up like in the next 715 00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:31.400 two days and write it down and let me polish 716 00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:32.920 it off so that I can read it to you, 717 00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:36.800 because I don't dare speak for them without having something 718 00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:39.199 to look at, because it's impossible. I want to be 719 00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:41.320 exact and they want me to be exact. That was 720 00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:43.559 the same one with the thing that we put in 721 00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:47.079 the front of symmetry. He did eductation with me as well. 722 00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:52.000 So yeah, that's coming and it's gonna be interesting. 723 00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:52.800 Yeah. 724 00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:55.119 Yeah, Well I'm excited about that because I haven't even 725 00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:55.800 heard this yet. 726 00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:59.880 So yeah, one more raised than the com down. 727 00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:04.360 All right, And here's another speaker that's coming, who we've 728 00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:08.159 actually also had on the showy gosh over a year 729 00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:10.440 ago too. Yeah. 730 00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:14.360 Now, I met Terry once before. Back I was talking 731 00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:17.159 and you know, like I say, I don't travel much anymore, 732 00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:22.960 and I certainly don't leave the country anymore. And we met, 733 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:25.039 and I think it was nineteen ninety seven. I was 734 00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:29.119 speaking at the Pacific Space Center in Vancouver and we met, 735 00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:33.519 and I can remember, and I remember afterwards everybody was 736 00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:35.960 trying to get a chance to pick my brains a 737 00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:37.760 little more, and they were fighting over who was going 738 00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:39.719 to take me to supper. And you had the c 739 00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:43.599 SETI people you had moved on, and there was UFOBC 740 00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:46.119 and other groups, and we ended up in this kind 741 00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:49.480 of crazy car chase through Chinatown. I remember, and I 742 00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:51.599 forget what group I ended up with, but I don't 743 00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:54.920 think it was Terry. So we've been talking quite a bit, 744 00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:57.639 him and I and I thought, yeah, well it's time 745 00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:01.360 to finally have that conversation. You chance, right, But he's 746 00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:04.880 coming to bring in his wife and looking forward to 747 00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:06.239 meeting everybody. Him too. 748 00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:08.960 Of course, yeah, me too, because he is a contact. 749 00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:10.199 He's a twin as well. 750 00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:19.079 I didn't know that. I didn't know. You say, yeah, yeah. 751 00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:21.079 Yeah, he's absolutely had contact and he's very knowledgeable on 752 00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:23.119 this subject. He's been at it for a long time. 753 00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:27.280 Well I remember him being there, but that was back 754 00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:28.400 in ninety seven. 755 00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:32.159 Yes, you know, all right, and then we have I 756 00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:34.599 don't recognize this guy? Who is he? 757 00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:39.599 Oh yeah, he's kind of an obsessive lone wolf. I 758 00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:42.280 hear is how people describe, you know, And. 759 00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:43.719 Here's a nice guy. 760 00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:53.039 Yeah, shows up on prepared just wingsiper and he goes what, well, like, 761 00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:54.000 where'd he come from? 762 00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:58.119 You know? I'm excited to hear, you know, because this 763 00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:01.639 is an ongoing investigation. As I know from writing books 764 00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:04.960 and doing investigations. It never ends. 765 00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:09.639 Noways, and you know, I never go down there without 766 00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:12.079 something new. It may not be big, in some years 767 00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:15.239 it is big. Like when I finally made the Shelburne breakthrough, 768 00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:17.880 that was big, and oh boy, the next thing, you know, 769 00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:20.000 they had me on all the big shows for a while, 770 00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:23.239 and I couldn't believe it when I went on. It 771 00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:25.719 didn't stay there that long, but for a few days 772 00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:28.880 a book specialized at Shelburne was like number one and 773 00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:32.400 number two for a few weeks there of the UFO 774 00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:35.199 books when they were waiting for imminent to come out there. 775 00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:38.599 So I was shocked at that because none of the 776 00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:41.239 others had done that well on Amazon in the past. 777 00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:44.760 So you know, but you know, if it isn't that 778 00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:47.880 sometimes those little things, you know, last year, I named 779 00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:51.159 a member of

Parliament where his staff back in nineteen 780 00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:54.159 ninety four, and I said the mounth and what member 781 00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:57.360 of parliament was, and you know, had tried to get 782 00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:00.199 me to stop and offered me fifty thousand dollars to 783 00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:06.360 stop back in nineteen ninety four. Yeah, yeah, And people 784 00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:08.599 were shocked because you know, and I'm saying, you know, 785 00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:11.039 and somebody come up to me and go we aren't 786 00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:13.320 you afraid about being sued? I said, well, it ain't 787 00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:15.159 happened yet. We'll see if it happens. I'll let you 788 00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:18.320 know by next year. And of course nothing's happened. Then again, 789 00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:20.800 lawsuits in Canada is kind of a joke. You know, 790 00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:22.719 you don't you don't get it. 791 00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:23.840 It's not that different here. 792 00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:26.960 The lawyer you're probably end up with a lawyer's bill 793 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:29.239 afterwards because he didn't get enough out of it. You know, 794 00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:31.519 that's kind of the way tort law works up here. 795 00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:35.599 I wrote an article once for UFO Universe magazine, but 796 00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:39.079 the alien clown connection because you know, some people, as 797 00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:43.280 little kids, see each he's coming and have screen memories 798 00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:45.760 I guess as clowns. A clown tried to sue me. 799 00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:50.519 Not kidding. Yeah, The editor of the magazine called me 800 00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:54.639 up He's like, well, you know we're being sued, yeah, 801 00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:56.000 famed clowns. 802 00:44:56.119 --> 00:44:58.360 You know, the last time somebody has been very few 803 00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:01.199 that somebody said that going to assume me for first 804 00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:03.760 of all up here, I'm like, uh uh huh, yeah, 805 00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:05.760 you know, he tells me and he says, so what 806 00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:08.199 do you say to that? And I said, well, you 807 00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:10.119 want to give me the name of your solicitor, your 808 00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:13.239 embarrassed or lawyer or whatever you call it, I said, 809 00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:15.239 and he can meet with my lawyer, I said. They're 810 00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:18.119 very nice people. I'm sure they'll get along words out 811 00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:24.079 like good day, you know. But yeah, you know, we're 812 00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:26.800 not near as litigious as the U asked. But I mean, 813 00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:29.800 actually it's starting to get that way here a little more. 814 00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:32.000 But in the end, it's still not worth it to 815 00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:34.920 sue someone who can generally speaking, you know, unless you're 816 00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:37.599 sue in the government. But then you go, then you 817 00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:40.880 got to win, and they make it difficult because up here, 818 00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:43.599 you know, if it need be, sometimes they'll change the legislation, 819 00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:46.639 you know, or the act to prevent you from winning. 820 00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:50.519 All the citizens against UPO secrecy here in the US 821 00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:54.599 tried to sue the NSA National Security Agency, which of 822 00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:56.960 course didn't go well, but you know, it did go 823 00:45:57.039 --> 00:45:59.719 to court and they did get some documents released, but 824 00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:03.000 they were completely blacked out, so they basically proved to 825 00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:03.679 cover up you know. 826 00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:08.159 Okay, here's here's the surprise here right here, you know, 827 00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:11.800 like you know, you know, I mean, I work. I 828 00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:15.320 wouldn't say not often, but several times closely with Stanton 829 00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:17.960 preven On a few things, right, and of course how 830 00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:20.719 famous was he for holding up pages documents that a 831 00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:24.920 lot of black games, right. I have never had a 832 00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:29.440 document released to me with black inkon ever. Wow, wow, 833 00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:32.440 And I've had a lot of stuff released, you know. 834 00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:35.639 I mean to give you one significant example that you 835 00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:39.840 know is connected sort of in a way to the 836 00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:43.159 cases I did a lot of researchers and people up 837 00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:46.400 here for a long time. We used to keep hearing 838 00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:49.559 when we investigate cases that involve the Wroyal Canadian out 839 00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:53.840 of Police about something called the Space Object Contingency Plan 840 00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:56.840 that was a sort of almost like a treaty or 841 00:46:56.920 --> 00:47:01.239 working agreement between the RCM PAY at the back in 842 00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:05.920 the day, the CIA, American government whatever, you know, like 843 00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:09.000 if we you know, like with Nora, and if we 844 00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:12.039 were moving into one another's area, or they came up 845 00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:14.000 here and wanted to look at something, you know, who 846 00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:16.599 was in charge, what the rules were, right, We kept 847 00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:19.559 hearing about this. But anyone who ever put in a 848 00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:22.760 request for this policy or to ask about it or 849 00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:25.840 to see copy of it, no you weren't getting it. 850 00:47:25.960 -->

00:47:28.679 Then they would always kind of play dumb, you know, 851 00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:31.199 and generally up here you can access a lot of 852 00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:34.800 these RCMP falls on UFOs, you know, and they had 853 00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:39.079 specific UFO forums. Right. We're kind of lucky up here 854 00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:44.960 because with that police force, it operates locally, provincially and 855 00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:47.360 nationally as a police force. And you know, they are 856 00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:50.880 very strict standards, unlike you know, we're a county sheriff 857 00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:53.400 down in you know, one of the smaller counties in 858 00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:55.079 the US state might be able to say, now, no 859 00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:58.400 show here, go a way, you know nothing, you know, 860 00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:01.280 and there's no one answer to They can't do that 861 00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:05.159 up here. They investigate anything like that as a disinterested 862 00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:09.119 third party and write it up and that's that. You know. Well, anyway, 863 00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:12.559 every now and then, you know, one of the older mounties, 864 00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:14.880 you know, you'd be talking them to say, well, you know, 865 00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:17.880 we had to check with the Space Object Contingency Plan 866 00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:20.440 on what to do this American guys came up or 867 00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:23.000 the CIA showed up and wanted us to take it 868 00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:26.920 there or whatever, and they say, no, we don't get 869 00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:29.960 training in this when you inquire, but we call the 870 00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.519 provincial headquarters and they checked the book there on what 871 00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:36.679 the procedure is or who's allowed, right, generally, you know, 872 00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:40.760 any bonafide US agency could ask for an RCNPS court 873 00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:45.079 and be allowed access. And however, if Canadian armenforces showed 874 00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:47.800 up in the scene, they're the lead agency always and 875 00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:50.360 take them, you know. But up to that point, the 876 00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:54.119 Americans or another nation even that was a signatory to this. 877 00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:56.920 But when we used to try to find that, she 878 00:48:56.920 --> 00:48:59.760 couldn't find copy of it. Well, I eventually did get 879 00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:02.440 it LISHA was a chapter about it in the Shay 880 00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:05.239 Harbor book I did for Graham Sims about it right, 881 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:11.039 called the master Plan because and we had a lapse 882 00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:13.079 when I finally got it released and they sent it 883 00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:16.440 with no reactions in it, and it was an amazing 884 00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:19.559 thing because it would

say, like, how try to keep 885 00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:23.320 the crowd back, you know, if there was radiation, depending 886 00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:27.280 on the direction, you know, what US people could request 887 00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:29.599 from us and what they had to comply with and 888 00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:32.639 blah blah. There was a lot of detail in it. Well, 889 00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:37.239 the thing was, you know, I mean, it was a shocker. 890 00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:41.800 But when it got sent to me and they sent 891 00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:43.960 me this huge hard copy of it, I remember on 892 00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:45.960 legal sized paper. I'm when I looked at the title, 893 00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:51.239 I had the space object contingency plan aka also is 894 00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:55.320 get this the master plan? Well, we had a lap 895 00:49:56.280 --> 00:50:00.360 a pour choice of titles and the job I was 896 00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:03.280 dealing with it. Who was the chief ARC in PR form? 897 00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:06.599 His sergeant Maurice Laferrier was his name. It's all written 898 00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:09.679 up in the book, you know. He said, yes, I 899 00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:12.079 don't know who picks his name. Very poor choice of words. 900 00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:14.199 Try not to read too much into that, I said, 901 00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:16.400 And we were laughing. I said, I will try. 902 00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:20.280 But what agent produce that document? 903 00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:24.039 Uh? The world to the amounted police they did. What 904 00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:26.719 happened is they used to deny it. But here's what happened. 905 00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:29.880 This is a great story. It's a chapter in the book, 906 00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:35.400 you know the impact of contact, right, And what happened 907 00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:38.079 is I was looking for some ARC and P files. 908 00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:41.559 You see, there's a strict thing here, like say somebody 909 00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:45.320 has a UFO event and you know, and they investigate everything, 910 00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:49.079 even an abduction or something. Right. Anyway, you get a 911 00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:57.119 you know, a local you know, depot investigated case. Right, 912 00:50:57.199 --> 00:51:00.960 they write it up. It stays on file for one year. 913 00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:07.840 After a year, it's sent to RCNP headquarters. It stays 914 00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:10.840 there three years in case it's reopened or some follow 915 00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:14.320 up or cross reference happens after that it's sent the 916 00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:17.960 National Archives. At which point, and this is my version 917 00:51:18.039 --> 00:51:21.800 of it, it disappears somewhere for fifteen to twenty years 918 00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:24.159 and one of those warehouses like at the end of. 919 00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:27.199 Indiana Jones. 920 00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:31.760 Yeah, Indiana Jones, And if you're lucky, it'll eventually resurface 921 00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:34.440 in the collection that you can package your borrow. Right. 922 00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:37.360 So we're always trying to get the reports before they 923 00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:40.639 get sent to well, actually it's called Library and Archives 924 00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:44.599 Canada now, one of our many rebrandings. You know. Well, 925 00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:48.880 I was trying to get these RG eighteen Records Group 926 00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:52.519 eighteen Reports of the Mountis And oh, Chris, you're too late, 927 00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:54.920 so sorry. We just cleaned all the files. We got 928 00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:57.519 nothing here. We just ship them off the National Archives. 929 00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:02.280 And I'm like yeah, And I said okay, and she goes, 930 00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:04.239 I can go back and look, Chris, But she goes, 931 00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:07.239 I did it myself. And this was it's written up 932 00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:11.280 of the book. It was a corporal, easeless shance. And 933 00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:15.239 the corporal says, no, the only thing that there was 934 00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:18.599 just some old policy document and everybody up here been 935 00:52:18.639 --> 00:52:21.760 looking for this thing for years. She said, space object 936 00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:24.840 planned or something like that. I jumped up out the coach. 937 00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:27.679 I was. I was like, that's it, that's what I want. 938 00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:32.559 And she goes, no, that is not what you want. 939 00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:34.559 She says, I have your request in front of me. 940 00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:38.239 I'm just making this up as I go, right, I'm 941 00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:40.960 winging it. I'm going no, no, that is what I want. 942 00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:46.760 I just didn't know what it was called. Right, I'm sorry. 943 00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:48.679 She said, I can't help you with this. She'll have 944 00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:50.880 to send in a second request and we'll look at it. 945 00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:54.000 Then I said, well, listen, and this is the big battle. Go. 946 00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:56.199 Could you go up and just she goes, you had 947 00:52:56.199 --> 00:52:58.079 it in the room, you said the other day you're 948 00:52:58.119 --> 00:53:01.039 next to and the Yeah, could you get the file number? 949 00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:03.480 So she gets me the phone number, and I could 950 00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:06.159 actually you're on the phone and boys called and I 951 00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:10.000 could hear her high heels clicking up the hall. I'm back, 952 00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:14.800 Oh it's and she gives me this long military type 953 00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:19.079 file number. Right, So I immediately send in an access 954 00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:24.000 to information

requests, something I rarely do. And well we're 955 00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:27.480 getting to that and here's why. So anyway, two days later, 956 00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:30.079 I get a phone call from the chief archivist. This 957 00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:37.239 sergeant Maurice Lafarier, heavy French accent, career guy with anyway 958 00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:39.960 at the RCMP, and he calls me up. He goes, 959 00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:43.239 mister Styles, this is Sergeant Maurice la Ferrier. He says, 960 00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:45.639 I look at your request here, and that file number 961 00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:49.639 you said makes absolutely no sense at all. Oh, I said, 962 00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:52.480 I'm sure it's correct. I said, I was talking to 963 00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:55.639 Corporal Schantz. I was actually looking for some UFO reports. 964 00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:59.639 But I guess they've been transferred to National Archives. I said, 965 00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:02.639 I had to repeat the number to me twice. Well, 966 00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:04.480 he says, I can speak to her, but I don't know. 967 00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:07.280 He says, I've never seen a number like this. And 968 00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:09.400 I said, well, she'll know right where it is. She 969 00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:12.280 could show it to you. And he's starting to sound 970 00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:15.639 very disinterested, and you can hear voice fading and he's 971 00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:17.960 going to put down the phone. And I'm saying, well, 972 00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:20.840 I'm sure she'll know where it is. You be sure 973 00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:23.400 to ask her. I said, because she read from it 974 00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:27.280 to me, that wasn't true. Oh she did, did she? 975 00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:30.719 He goes up the hall and I said, oh god. 976 00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:37.000 He calls me back ten minutes later. He says, yes, 977 00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:39.960 I know what you're talking about now you do, okay, 978 00:54:41.000 --> 00:54:42.880 he said, I think I can help you. He said, 979 00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:45.840 but this is not going to happen under the Act. 980 00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:50.400 I'm listening, I said. Why is that? Because I would 981 00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:52.800 not have enough time. He says, under the Access to 982 00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:56.280 Information Act, I have to respond within thirty days. You 983 00:54:57.719 --> 00:55:00.400 I can ask for a fifteen day extension. That's all 984 00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:03.000 I can do. And that's not going to be enough time, 985 00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:08.119 And I said, He said, because I'll need permission from Ottawa, 986 00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:13.199 from Washington and every provincial capital before I can release this. 987 00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:17.000 And I said, well, I'll tell you what, Sergeant, I said. 988 00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:18.960 I'm a very patient guy. I'm in this for the 989 00:55:19.000

--> 00:55:22.159 long haul, I said, So if I can get monthly 990 00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:24.199 verbal updates from you on the phone, if you want 991 00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:25.960 to give me a college You've been just so kind 992 00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:28.559 to do. I see you a reason to complain to 993 00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:31.679 the Information Commission of Canada. So do we have an 994 00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:32.400 understand it? 995 00:55:32.960 --> 00:55:33.199 Yeah? 996 00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:37.719 I think we do, he said, and true To was worried. 997 00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:40.159 He called every month saying I've got the letters back 998 00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:45.800 from Regina and from Halifax and Washington, you know. And 999 00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:49.199 eventually they released the whole thing to me with no redactions. 1000 00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:52.760 No blacking. They paid for the cost of it and everything. 1001 00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:56.079 Far better service than we get out of the Library 1002 00:55:56.119 --> 00:56:00.480 and Archives Canada, by the way, And that's how I 1003 00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:02.280 got that released, you know what I mean. 1004 00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:06.960 But in my estimation, you've done the impossible, because I'm 1005 00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:09.159 telling you, working for the government as I have and 1006 00:56:09.199 --> 00:56:11.960 the positions that I have, I can tell you absolutely 1007 00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:13.960 at no time, in a no way would that ever 1008 00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:14.559 have happened. 1009 00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:14.840 Ever. 1010 00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:18.760 Yeah, but you got to think, like the government, here's 1011 00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:23.000 the thing, here's what happens. Say I had didn't have 1012 00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:25.159 the knowledge and the experience up to that point when 1013 00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:27.639 I was trying to get this and was willing to 1014 00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:30.360 stretch a little and stretch the rules a little there 1015 00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:37.400 to get it. If I had just asked and it 1016 00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:40.719 was somebody up there like unlike this sergeant would say, 1017 00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:43.519 some new staff or right, they would look at this 1018 00:56:43.639 --> 00:56:46.400 and think, well, I can't do this within thirty days. 1019 00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:49.039 So they just say, no, we can't do that as 1020 00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:52.199 a matter of procedure. You know, they're not explained to you. 1021 00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:55.519 If you asked me outside the act and give me leeway, 1022 00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:59.760 we can negotiate something here. And often I've looked for files. 1023 00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:02.480 You start saying, well, what's the problem, and you start 1024 00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:06.760 digging at them, and sometimes not always, they'll pass up 1025 00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:08.519 to it and you say, well listen, and then you 1026 00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:11.599 start to negotiate. And this is how I've got a 1027 00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:14.519 lot of it. But I you know, it's only in 1028 00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:16.840 the last few years. And I mentioned the stand and 1029 00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:18.920 he was going I said, look, you're going through my foucay, 1030 00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:21.199 but all the old hard coffee stopped before, and did 1031 00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:25.679 a lot of the electronic, no black eh anywhere on 1032 00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:30.280 any of it. And I'm not sure I'm not applying anything. 1033 00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:33.519 I'm not really sure what that means myself. But maybe 1034 00:57:33.559 --> 00:57:36.119 it's because I think this guy is such a shit disturber. 1035 00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:38.840 You know that it's not We'll just give him. I 1036 00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:43.280 don't know. I honestly don't know. But there it must 1037 00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:44.960 mean something, doesn't don't you say? 1038 00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:48.039 Well, does this also have to be done through paperwork? 1039 00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:49.920 Now that we are in the digital age? 1040 00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:52.599 You think I get digital like when I got the 1041 00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:56.239 for example, when I got the log book for HMC 1042 00:57:56.440 --> 00:57:59.559 as Cape Scott you know, uh, you know on the 1043 00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:02.920 shelf mission released to me, that's all done digitally, right, 1044 00:58:04.199 --> 00:58:06.880 But that had to happen outside the Act because during 1045 00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:10.960 COVID they were so short staff, right, they wouldn't guarantee 1046 00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:13.159 a time frame. You had to agree to have it 1047 00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:16.519 being done outside that and the rules of that. It 1048 00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:19.119 took seven months to come instead of a month, right. 1049 00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:22.280 But in the end I got it, and I bothered 1050 00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:24.440 them a couple of times and actually got some It 1051 00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:27.480 was like, didn't with your stern on, I remember this 1052 00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:30.960 female staffer. I got a couple of those backs, beat basket. 1053 00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:35.920 It will take longer, thank you. I made it. And 1054 00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:38.119 in the end I did get it, you know what 1055 00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:40.719 I mean. And there were all kinds of independent ways. 1056 00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:43.159 I won't for you with those teas of verifying it, 1057 00:58:43.239 --> 00:58:46.159 you know. I mean, I don't take anything with a 1058 00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:47.719 question it from the government. 1059 00:58:48.199 --> 00:58:48.400 You know. 1060 00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:50.920 It's like just one of the problems I have at 1061 00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:53.960 the disclosure saying, look, I'm

not against disclosure at all, 1062 00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:56.519 and I've become a little involved with the movement up 1063 00:58:56.559 --> 00:58:59.639 here which has taken a very different form, and I'm 1064 00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:02.719 not at liberty to talk about because I'm not actually 1065 00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:04.719 a member and I don't want to. They got some 1066 00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:07.400 important work coming up here. But let me tell you this. 1067 00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:12.760 The problem I've always had with the concept of disclosure 1068 00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:15.039 is that for all these years when the government was 1069 00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:18.519 saying there's nothing to this, nothing worthy of studying, nothing happening, 1070 00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:21.639 if they suddenly said, hey, here's the answer and here's 1071 00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:24.800 what it's all about, I'm not sure I'd be any 1072 00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:29.400 more inclined to believe them. Then. You know what, they 1073 00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:32.679 still have this great to me, this great credibility problem. 1074 00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:35.559 It doesn't mean it's it's bogus totally, but I'd have 1075 00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:38.320 to really vet it. I'd have to really you know, 1076 00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:43.320 use due diligence, right, But that's just me. You know, 1077 00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:46.639 this is the doting Thomas and me. That's the But 1078 00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:49.599 that's okay. You know they're all doing their job. And 1079 00:59:50.360 --> 00:59:53.400 you know I do what I do. It's not quite 1080 00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:55.400 a job, you know, I do it because I'm just 1081 00:59:55.599 --> 01:00:01.840 generally interested. And you know when I first started, like 1082 01:00:01.880 --> 01:00:04.199 I say, Stanton ahead and heard of the case, you know, 1083 01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:07.039 I remember trying to Google up or back then you 1084 01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:09.639 were still using things like the dog pile as a 1085 01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:13.639 search engine, and you know you put in shake Harbor, 1086 01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:16.800 a tiny fishing village on the southwestern of the faces 1087 01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:20.079 of Vain, and blah blah. You know it was forgotten 1088 01:00:20.239 --> 01:00:24.159 entirely forgotten except to the eyewitnesses. And you know, within 1089 01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:27.440 a couple of years I was on national TV and 1090 01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:31.079 getting funding from the fund, and I thought, my god, 1091 01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:36.000 there is life after high school. But I was serious, 1092 01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:38.159 you know, I'm not making light of it. But a 1093 01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:40.360 lot of the people I thought were serious I discovered 1094 01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:45.639 weren't serious at all, you know. And you know, it's 1095 01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:50.960 just been that's how unfolded for me, you know. But like, 1096 01:00:56.639 --> 01:01:03.360 you know, it's amazing when you do find something like that, 1097 01:01:03.639 --> 01:01:06.039 you know, when the successories like how it works and 1098 01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:09.559 why has it worked? You know, and in this country, 1099 01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:13.800 perhaps weren't anybody I've got the feeling of understanding. But 1100 01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:15.599 you know, you learn little things along the way. You 1101 01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:17.840 learn how naive they are and how they light to 1102 01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:22.400 each other, the different agencies and even within agencies, you know, 1103 01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:25.320 like and I sometimes use the expression some here. Well, 1104 01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:27.280 I don't know that we ever recovered any air pacts. 1105 01:01:27.320 --> 01:01:29.239 I said, well, who is that? Oh well, we're an 1106 01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:30.960 office or whatever. I'll tell you right now. He pulled 1107 01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:33.079 the fill course how I call it, you know, took 1108 01:01:33.079 --> 01:01:35.199 it through it to the desk and said that's mine, 1109 01:01:35.559 --> 01:01:39.000 you know, like and has yet to change his mind, 1110 01:01:39.039 --> 01:01:41.880 hopefully will someday. You know, well, how do you know that? 1111 01:01:42.119 --> 01:01:44.360 You know what I mean. It's a mixed bag. But 1112 01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:50.760 I mean people are people, and you know, these guys 1113 01:01:50.840 --> 01:01:53.360 they you know, they're just people doing the job, you know. 1114 01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:55.719 And you can give them a policy, and you can 1115 01:01:55.800 --> 01:01:57.960 make them swear in oath, and you could make them 1116 01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:00.880 to whatever you want. But the end, they have the 1117 01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:02.480 human weaknesses, right. 1118 01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:06.320 They're all just people who want to do a good job. 1119 01:02:07.239 --> 01:02:08.960 Well, they don't all want to do a good job, 1120 01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:14.079 most of them doing most values. You know, I'm not 1121 01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:16.199 what he's one saying. It's all crap, you know what 1122 01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:17.400 I mean. It's a mixed pay. 1123 01:02:18.199 --> 01:02:21.480 But what makes people in government is what I'm trying 1124 01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:22.760 to say that some are good people. 1125 01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:27.840 There are. Yeah, sure, there are well attentioned people, and 1126 01:02:27.880 --> 01:02:31.920 they're often taking advantage of by the badly intentioned people 1127 01:02:32.039 --> 01:02:37.159 within government. Right, But whether you're good intention or bad intention, 1128 01:02:38.559 --> 01:02:41.960 there's just little awareness of what's going on around them 1129 01:02:41.960 --> 01:02:45.400 and how complex the system is and how it works 1130

01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:47.719 against you even when you think it's working for you. 1131 01:02:48.039 --> 01:02:50.320 For example, like I said, in the history of this country, 1132 01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:55.039 when they took UFO investigations away from the Air Force here, 1133 01:02:55.559 --> 01:02:58.039 it sounded like it was a good thing for what 1134 01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:01.159 they need in the document? Did that signed by the 1135 01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:05.280 Defense Minister at the time, for serious scientific study? Well, 1136 01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:08.199 it started off that way, but then you know it 1137 01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:11.400 became a political hot potato when it just faded away 1138 01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:15.840 into obscurity and oblivion eventually, you know, it was meant 1139 01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:18.800 to be a good thing, but sometimes good intentions go awry. 1140 01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:24.079 I mean, right, such his life. 1141 01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:27.559 There's quite a few people talking about Paul Hellier in 1142 01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:34.679 chech Okay. Would you say he's Kindada's highest profile whistleblower? 1143 01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:36.599 Would you give him that. 1144 01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:38.400 Kind of Well, he brought up a lot of attention. 1145 01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:40.599 He had no interest in UFO was when he was 1146 01:03:40.639 --> 01:03:45.039 a defense minister whatsoever. And he I don't know if 1147 01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:47.360 he did at the end, but I heard him speaking. 1148 01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:49.760 He used to be very open and honest about that. 1149 01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:53.039 For a long time. He became very interested in the topic, 1150 01:03:53.119 --> 01:03:57.719 all aspects of it. Right, and but while he was 1151 01:03:57.800 --> 01:04:01.880 serving as our defense minister. Right, it was a unique 1152 01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:04.679 time in Canadian history. And here's something many people have forgot, 1153 01:04:04.679 --> 01:04:07.440 but it's verified. We can go online and look this up. 1154 01:04:07.880 --> 01:04:11.679 We had two defense ministers. At the same time, Canada 1155 01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:14.760 still had a large military in peacetime in the sixties. 1156 01:04:15.039 --> 01:04:18.679 We certainly don't now, for example, like we had a 1157 01:04:18.719 --> 01:04:22.519 sixty ship navy. You know, we don't know anything like 1158 01:04:22.599 --> 01:04:27.360 we need right now. But it was a time when 1159 01:04:27.559 --> 01:04:29.840 the government was cutting back and they were bringing about 1160 01:04:29.840 --> 01:04:34.559 a very unpopular policy popular within and without of the 1161 01:04:34.599 --> 01:04:41.159 military called unification, creating a single armed force. And Paul 1162 01:04:41.239 --> 01:04:44.280 Hellier was the fall guy for that. You know, they'd 1163 01:04:44.360 --> 01:04:48.280 given him that and it ended up destroying his political career, right. 1164 01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:51.519 I mean, he did a lot of good work. I 1165 01:04:51.559 --> 01:04:53.400 could go on about the other things he did, but 1166 01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:56.880 at the time he wasn't involved. All the UFO metas 1167 01:04:56.920 --> 01:04:59.800 were handled by the other defensive ministry. You never hear 1168 01:04:59.840 --> 01:05:03.559 a name. It was Leo Cadeu, And any document I've 1169 01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:07.920 ever found signed, including on shag Harber, is signed by 1170 01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:14.000 Leo Cadu, not Paul Hellier. Like I said, I met 1171 01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:16.159 Paul Hellier. You know, when you got to chat with him, 1172 01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:18.880 he had a very honest interest and he attributed to 1173 01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:21.239 course the first reading the book you probably heard that 1174 01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:24.480 was that the day after Roswell, right, you know, and 1175 01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:27.039 he certainly became it, was a proponent for it, and 1176 01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:30.639 you know, brought a lot of attention to it, but 1177 01:05:30.719 --> 01:05:35.440 he was not involved, no personal interest and no professional 1178 01:05:35.599 --> 01:05:39.039 involvement with it in his role. He was so tied 1179 01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:44.960 up with reorganizing the armed forces, right he. Actually I 1180 01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:47.199 used to feel so sorry for him because he became 1181 01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:51.119 for a period identified with unification. When you came to 1182 01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:55.559 a large military city like Halifax. Here in Nova Scotia 1183 01:05:55.679 --> 01:05:59.880 was a huge port and you know, he was he 1184 01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:02.719 couldn't walk the street safely, you know, he you know, 1185 01:06:04.199 --> 01:06:06.199 he went down to the dock Hairs way and nine 1186 01:06:06.280 --> 01:06:08.840 thousand people showed up the block his way, you know 1187 01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:12.119 what I mean. It was very controversial, right he you know, 1188 01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:15.079 he was the face of that. His political career. He 1189 01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:19.760 didn't get reelected, right, He left the Liberal parody, tried 1190 01:06:19.800 --> 01:06:22.719 to join the new Democratic Party up here. They wouldn't 1191 01:06:22.760 --> 01:06:26.280 have him. He created his own political party. I felt 1192 01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:28.320 very sorry for you know, he was used by the 1193 01:06:28.320 --> 01:06:32.280 Liberal Party here, you know, to bring about this unpopular policy, 1194 01:06:32.480 --> 01:06:36.920 you know, but unfortunately, Yeah, but he did a lot 1195 01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:41.000 to promote aspects of UFOs, like I say, you know, 1196 01:06:41.239 --> 01:06:47.519 in his post political you know, life, right and but no, 1197 01:06:47.880 --> 01:06:52.639 you know, he he had little involvement in

you know 1198 01:06:52.719 --> 01:06:56.199 at the time. I mean there were a couple of things. 1199 01:06:56.199 --> 01:06:58.599 He did things, but they were more ceremonial. Like I 1200 01:06:58.719 --> 01:07:02.480 remember there was a a centennial project Canada's one hundred 1201 01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:08.159 year anniversary back in nineteen sixty seven. When yeah, when 1202 01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:13.159 somebody is that, they used to have these silly projects, 1203 01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:15.280 you know, like you know you're paying rock and you 1204 01:07:15.320 --> 01:07:17.840 put the Prime minister space, it could be any stupid thing. 1205 01:07:18.039 --> 01:07:20.320 Give me the use to have ads to encourage this. 1206 01:07:20.519 --> 01:07:23.280 I was twelve at the time. I can remember they 1207 01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:25.480 showed a guy fill in a swimming pool with maple 1208 01:07:25.519 --> 01:07:29.000 Sarah and he's dressed in a tuxedo and everything's just 1209 01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:30.280 so when he dives into it. 1210 01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:33.480 You remember that. I yeah, I heard about that. 1211 01:07:35.239 --> 01:07:37.199 At the end the conversion, Say what are you going 1212 01:07:37.280 --> 01:07:41.519 to do for a centennial project? Right? Anyway, somebody owed 1213 01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:45.360 in Saint Paul, Alberta they built a UFO landing pad, 1214 01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:48.960 right And for some reason, I wish I'd ask Paul 1215 01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:51.519 how you're this, but I didn't get a chance. I 1216 01:07:51.559 --> 01:07:55.880 didn't think of it. He did the ribbon cutting ceremony 1217 01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:59.360 for this centennial project, right, here's the thing. The other 1218 01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:01.760 person on the podium with them to cut the ribbon 1219 01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:05.039 was get this mother to reseat. I'd love to know 1220 01:08:05.079 --> 01:08:06.239 how that came about him. 1221 01:08:06.440 --> 01:08:14.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, a little eh yeah. I 1222 01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:17.159 don't know the answer. If somebody knows that out there, 1223 01:08:17.199 --> 01:08:18.079 I'd love to hear it. 1224 01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:23.279 Are there any other high profile Canadian whistleblowers within government 1225 01:08:23.439 --> 01:08:28.000 that are bringing forth information that because they seem to 1226 01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:30.199 come out of the woodwork here. I don't know how 1227 01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:32.840 many of them are sanctioned, how many are the huges. 1228 01:08:32.920 --> 01:08:38.760 But there was much made about the member Larry maguire there, 1229 01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:40.560 what was it a year or two ago, you know, 1230 01:08:40.600 --> 01:08:44.359 in the attention he was bringing to it, lobbying the 1231 01:08:44.760 --> 01:08:48.680 defense mister saying Canaday needs to be serious about UFOs 1232 01:08:48.800 --> 01:08:51.159 and it really brought it in the news here for 1233 01:08:51.199 --> 01:08:53.560 a while in the public saying I don't believe he 1234 01:08:53.640 --> 01:08:57.560 got re elected or yeah. And at the time he 1235 01:08:57.680 --> 01:09:03.119 was sitting in opposition with the Conservative You know, politics 1236 01:09:03.199 --> 01:09:05.159 is a strange affair up here, as it is in 1237 01:09:05.319 --> 01:09:14.359 so many places, you know, I mean, yeah, and it's 1238 01:09:14.399 --> 01:09:17.680 I've never seen a period where US politics influenced us 1239 01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:20.880 so much, you know, I mean, anybody up here that 1240 01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:24.600 had placed a bat or the odds were bizarre. You know, 1241 01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:28.640 if you looked at such things online. You know, everybody 1242 01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:32.199 was saying, it's absolutely impossible. The Conservative Party here was 1243 01:09:32.239 --> 01:09:37.279 a shoe in, you know, to win until well until 1244 01:09:37.880 --> 01:09:43.000 Justin Trudeau resigned and somebody new come in and Trump 1245 01:09:43.039 --> 01:09:45.279 had to say about it, and the rest is history, 1246 01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:48.000 as they say, you know, and everybody said, oh no, 1247 01:09:48.119 --> 01:09:50.680 the Liberal Party could not possibly win a fourth third 1248 01:09:50.760 --> 01:09:53.439 again a cant but they did. You know what I 1249 01:09:53.479 --> 01:09:56.479 mean that such is the weird world of Canadian politics. 1250 01:09:56.520 --> 01:09:59.920 You know, m had a laugh of it. Be down 1251 01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:02.119 tell that somebody say to me, you don't actually have 1252 01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:05.039 a political party, they don't actually call themselves liberally. I go, 1253 01:10:05.079 --> 01:10:07.439 oh yeah, but a capital level. Yes. 1254 01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:12.199 What's sad to me is that UFOs have been pulled 1255 01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:12.800 into all of. 1256 01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:18.880 Yeah. You know, I have to say though, you know, 1257 01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:21.159 there's a little hope to one thing. When I watched 1258 01:10:21.439 --> 01:10:25.119 on television, you know, when you have you know, the 1259 01:10:25.159 --> 01:10:28.439 testimonials in that before Congress or some sub committee or 1260 01:10:28.479 --> 01:10:31.439 whatever in the US right that they appear to be 1261 01:10:31.720 --> 01:10:33.760 kind of bipartis and you know what I mean, people 1262 01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:36.760 will show up and created seriously from both parties. I 1263 01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:39.960 find that encouraging, you know, just in the general mild sense, 1264 01:10:40.119 --> 01:10:44.000 you know that because it shouldn't be political in that sense, 1265 01:10:44.239 --> 01:10:45.800 you know, right. 1266 01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:50.119 You see Joyce Aldrich, who's from kind of asking about 1267 01:10:50.119 --> 01:10:50.800 the NPA. 1268

01:10:51.640 --> 01:10:56.680 McGuire, yeah, Larry McGuire, yeah, I'm not sure. I don't 1269 01:10:56.680 --> 01:10:59.720 think he got reelected and he was sitting in opposition 1270 01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:03.479 at the time. He wrote that our defense minister at 1271 01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:06.000 the time and needed a nand saying that we need 1272 01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:08.760 a serious we need to be doing things like the 1273 01:11:08.880 --> 01:11:11.399 US is doing before conference, but we also need to 1274 01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:15.479 just create a public agency that takes reports, and we 1275 01:11:15.560 --> 01:11:18.199 need to get serious about the UFO topic, you know. 1276 01:11:18.399 --> 01:11:21.000 And it got attention here in the media and that, 1277 01:11:21.239 --> 01:11:24.520 but you know, eventually, you know, there was a real 1278 01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:26.560 news day when they didn't have a slow news day, 1279 01:11:26.560 --> 01:11:29.159 and in time, you know, that effort and the impetus 1280 01:11:29.159 --> 01:11:33.199 of that faded. But yeah, there's nobody here that from 1281 01:11:33.199 --> 01:11:35.560 a political and is really pushing it. But I can 1282 01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:39.439 tell you there's something afoot amongst the Canadian disclosure movement. 1283 01:11:39.479 --> 01:11:42.800 I think in the near future, over the next year 1284 01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:45.119 or two, you're going to hear a lot more. And 1285 01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:47.159 I don't think it's going to mirror what the US 1286 01:11:47.319 --> 01:11:50.800 is doing on it, but it's something that you know, 1287 01:11:55.319 --> 01:11:58.319 I think, you know, we'll see where it goes. But 1288 01:11:58.520 --> 01:12:02.920 the attempt is to do things like memory Larry Maguire did, right, 1289 01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:09.119 and to present a forum and a way to contact 1290 01:12:09.159 --> 01:12:13.119 all of our MP's right, you know, And I know 1291 01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:15.520 I'm quite willing to do that, you know, with my 1292 01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:20.199 local MP. And you know, in the province here we 1293 01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:24.479 enjoy you know, a lot of support you know from people. 1294 01:12:24.520 --> 01:12:27.439 But you know, it's time that the topic the phenomena, 1295 01:12:28.119 --> 01:12:30.720 not not from the sense of you of tourism or 1296 01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:33.399 what they can get out of it, but it's time 1297 01:12:33.560 --> 01:12:37.880 that you know, it defines so much about who we 1298 01:12:37.920 --> 01:12:42.199 are as a species, as a culture, as a you know, 1299 01:12:43.039 --> 01:12:47.239 we need to look at that bigger picture. And you know, 1300 01:12:47.960 --> 01:12:50.840 if you don't, you can dismiss the premise, but I 1301 01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:55.359 think you still need to recognize the importance of how 1302 01:12:55.399 --> 01:12:59.199 it reflects what we are, you know, regardless of what 1303 01:12:59.279 --> 01:13:01.800 the ultimate truly is or what you're willing to accept 1304 01:13:01.920 --> 01:13:06.600 or not. You know, it's a hard thing to do 1305 01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:09.680 to change minds, you know, I know this is somewhat different. 1306 01:13:09.720 --> 01:13:14.159 I can remember, for example, back when I his acceptance 1307 01:13:14.159 --> 01:13:17.439 speech there when you know Obama won his first term. 1308 01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:19.880 You know what perked up my ears. I'm like, hoko 1309 01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:23.479 us politics. I'm going with yeah, like what's going on? 1310 01:13:23.560 --> 01:13:26.319 I thought, But it was kind of historic, you know, 1311 01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:29.319 him him winning, and I thought, I'm watching it, I'm 1312 01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:31.880 not ready listening. But in his address, I can remember 1313 01:13:31.920 --> 01:13:34.039 the one thing I thought, well, boy, you never heard 1314 01:13:34.039 --> 01:13:36.319 that before. When he was talking about all the people 1315 01:13:36.840 --> 01:13:39.760 that he welcomed and considers and that should have a 1316 01:13:39.880 --> 01:13:43.960 say or concern of the government, was when he mentioned atheists, 1317 01:13:45.279 --> 01:13:48.359 and I thought, boy, he's going to be the first 1318 01:13:48.399 --> 01:13:50.760 to say that, you know what I mean. Like but 1319 01:13:50.840 --> 01:13:53.560 he was trying to convey how inclusive he wanted things 1320 01:13:53.600 --> 01:13:57.399 to be right. But just when I heard the word, 1321 01:13:57.079 --> 01:13:59.800 I can remember kind of woke me out of like, 1322 01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:03.039 oh god, yeah, you know what's on after this? You know, 1323 01:14:03.199 --> 01:14:08.720 like right, And I'm like, yes, go now there's a change, 1324 01:14:09.159 --> 01:14:11.840 a small change. But you know, in terms of just 1325 01:14:12.800 --> 01:14:15.079 acceptance right now, odd, you. 1326 01:14:15.039 --> 01:14:16.720 Know, I wish we would get a sitting ahead of 1327 01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:20.079 government to just say UFOs are real while they're in office. 1328 01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:21.560 It's pretty simple. 1329 01:14:22.399 --> 01:14:25.119 Well, that's right, because they meanven then you're not committing 1330 01:14:25.159 --> 01:14:28.880 that it's extraterrestrial or extra dimensional or extra temporal or 1331 01:14:28.960 --> 01:14:30.079 spiritual or anything. 1332 01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:31.239 There's something to that. 1333 01:14:31.279 --> 01:14:33.920 There is something unknown. We don't have a good grip 1334 01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:37.680 on it, or we know very little. And uh yeah, 1335 01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:40.119 you know that. I mean, that's not going very far 1336 01:14:40.199 --> 01:14:42.159 out of the land. But they don't seem to want 1337 01:14:42.159 --> 01:14:44.000 to do that, do they. 1338 01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:48.479 You know, no deniability,

you know, plausible deniability is their name, 1339 01:14:49.159 --> 01:14:50.920 and they're not going to come out with a street 1340 01:14:50.960 --> 01:14:54.199 answer about it. And they have their reasons why. And 1341 01:14:55.680 --> 01:15:00.439 it's not known to the public worldwide what that imp lies. 1342 01:15:01.119 --> 01:15:04.079 And these are things that we all have to deal with, 1343 01:15:04.119 --> 01:15:06.560 not them. I really don't see the government helping any 1344 01:15:06.600 --> 01:15:09.439 of us as a people on this planet with this information. 1345 01:15:09.680 --> 01:15:10.359 I really don't. 1346 01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:13.399 Yeah, it's a weird thing. Like you look in this 1347 01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:16.680 country where you can say, well, who's handling UFOs now? 1348 01:15:16.720 --> 01:15:19.720 And like I said, you know, recently, I hate some 1349 01:15:19.880 --> 01:15:22.399 questions kind to be from the gentleman who currently is 1350 01:15:22.439 --> 01:15:29.079 ahead of you know, operational the situation in space, what's 1351 01:15:29.079 --> 01:15:35.840 in orbit, the history, what's happening anomalies whatever, and yet 1352 01:15:35.880 --> 01:15:38.239 they're not in the business or don't take reports and 1353 01:15:38.600 --> 01:15:41.039 are clear to tell you this. You know, well, then 1354 01:15:41.119 --> 01:15:44.479 why are you calling this UFO guide ask about this? 1355 01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:45.960 You know what I mean? 1356 01:15:46.319 --> 01:15:48.800 Yeah, I just to keep people from losing their minds 1357 01:15:48.800 --> 01:15:52.239 about it. That's why I think enough people now understand 1358 01:15:52.560 --> 01:15:57.119 there's been enough disclosure on from ET side. In other words, 1359 01:15:57.279 --> 01:15:59.720 we've seen enough anomalous stuff in the skuys to know 1360 01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:02.920 that it's not all the government. Okay. People know that 1361 01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:06.920 something's going on worldwide and the government has to respond 1362 01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:09.560 to it some kind of way, okay, And I think 1363 01:16:09.640 --> 01:16:12.840 that that they're using this forum to do that, but 1364 01:16:12.880 --> 01:16:15.279 they're still running the narrative through it. In other words, 1365 01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:17.640 they want you to believe what they want you to 1366 01:16:17.680 --> 01:16:19.880 believe about it, not the other way around what we 1367 01:16:19.960 --> 01:16:22.600 in consensus are figuring out for ourselves. 1368 01:16:22.840 --> 01:16:25.439 But you know, Dawlly, they're lucky. You know, they could 1369 01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:29.960 sit there and deny this or say you make these policies. 1370 01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:31.760 They get away with that. But you know what, not 1371 01:16:31.880 --> 01:16:35.359 everybody has that luxury. If you're an air traffic controller, 1372 01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:39.560 if you're a ro Canadian amount of police officer, right 1373 01:16:39.760 --> 01:16:42.600 you have your procedures. I mean, if you've got to 1374 01:16:42.720 --> 01:16:46.000 radar blip and there's no transponder code and it's closing 1375 01:16:46.039 --> 01:16:47.880 in on a seven four seven. 1376 01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:49.359 You got to do it right now. 1377 01:16:49.720 --> 01:16:53.520 It's to deal with it. Don't get the luxury of disbelief, 1378 01:16:54.039 --> 01:16:55.760 right you. 1379 01:16:56.520 --> 01:16:57.720 That happens all the time. 1380 01:16:59.760 --> 01:17:05.479 Yeah, A lot of positions in government have protocols, as 1381 01:17:05.520 --> 01:17:09.479 they do with the world Canadian amount of police okay, 1382 01:17:09.600 --> 01:17:12.119 and we don't know where these protocols come from, but 1383 01:17:12.159 --> 01:17:14.319 they're absolute. We have to obey them. When you're in 1384 01:17:14.319 --> 01:17:17.920 the government, and you just deal with it as it's occurring, 1385 01:17:17.960 --> 01:17:21.640 and you get more help is coming for you to 1386 01:17:21.640 --> 01:17:24.239 deal with this situation. But at first, your frontline, you're 1387 01:17:24.279 --> 01:17:28.840 right there dealing with it. Air traffic controllers. You make 1388 01:17:28.880 --> 01:17:31.560 a good point here, you really really do. Because these 1389 01:17:31.560 --> 01:17:40.079 are critical positions, are exactly and they have to Americans 1390 01:17:40.079 --> 01:17:43.680 who are in the planes flying or even military or 1391 01:17:43.680 --> 01:17:48.560 in the fate planes flying, have to know that this 1392 01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:51.279 is occurring. Okay, it has to be out there. They 1393 01:17:51.319 --> 01:17:54.439 have to know. And that is such a good point. 1394 01:17:54.720 --> 01:17:57.479 I mean, how can we not know the truth about that? 1395 01:17:57.520 --> 01:18:03.520 How can we not and yet they're they're not going yeah, absolutely. 1396 01:18:04.439 --> 01:18:07.159 Look there's another there's well, I think at the last 1397 01:18:07.159 --> 01:18:09.239 time on your show, I talked about that case of 1398 01:18:09.319 --> 01:18:12.359 the woman to call the Royal Canadian Mounted Police their 1399 01:18:12.439 --> 01:18:16.399 roadside Metro Halifax there and lower Sackball and she says, 1400 01:18:16.439 --> 01:18:19.560 could you send a mountie there's a UFO over my house. Well, 1401 01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:21.800 the MOUNTI goes to the house, knocks of the door, 1402 01:18:22.159 --> 01:18:23.640 so that actually if you want to come up, look 1403 01:18:23.680 --> 01:18:27.520 there's three UFOs over your house. Stays there for two hours. 1404 01:18:27.560 --> 01:18:30.000 But there were rights that up the report, you know, 1405 01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:33.720 and does logical things wrong the way to investigate it. 1406 01:18:33.760 --> 01:18:36.000 Eventually says I have to leave for other duties. I 1407 01:18:36.039 --> 01:18:38.720

think you're saying, if you feel it all bad, callis 1408 01:18:38.720 --> 01:18:41.960 will come back. I mean, that's take it seriously. An 1409 01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:46.199 air traffic controller lives may depend on it. Seconds might matter, right, 1410 01:18:46.920 --> 01:18:49.880 I mean, you know, I mean in fact, that Shag 1411 01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:53.279 Harbor the night before there was a near collision with 1412 01:18:53.439 --> 01:18:56.479 a pan Am flight. They're out of JFK that was 1413 01:18:56.479 --> 01:18:59.520 going over. You know, that's written up. That's the last 1414 01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:02.000 chapter the book. I have a statement that the co 1415 01:19:02.159 --> 01:19:05.880 pilots signed, you know, when the first officer here with me, 1416 01:19:06.079 --> 01:19:09.600 you know, and you know they don't get the luxury 1417 01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:13.079 of disbelief. You know, people don't realize that. You know, 1418 01:19:13.119 --> 01:19:17.199 the government, the official, the suits, right, the politicians, they 1419 01:19:17.199 --> 01:19:19.760 can sit back and play a game with this. You know, 1420 01:19:19.840 --> 01:19:21.760 they could sit there and say, well, you know, like 1421 01:19:21.800 --> 01:19:25.920 you say, John Preston, they can't go even so far 1422 01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:28.439 as to say they were UFOs, let alone what they 1423 01:19:28.520 --> 01:19:31.760 might be. They can't go that far. But you know, 1424 01:19:31.840 --> 01:19:34.600 they throw some poor bugger out in the field and 1425 01:19:34.680 --> 01:19:37.319 he's not trained on this and suddenly he's face to 1426 01:19:37.319 --> 01:19:39.319 face with the unknown. I got to deal with it 1427 01:19:39.359 --> 01:19:42.920 and wing it. You know. That's why in the you 1428 01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:46.359 know my book there sweet clearified. I've heard so much 1429 01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:48.520 feedback when I meet the men or men that read 1430 01:19:48.560 --> 01:19:51.239 this book that you know I hadn't in the case, 1431 01:19:51.319 --> 01:19:54.479 you know, the dedication to them, and I say it 1432 01:19:54.560 --> 01:19:58.000 and it look, I've seen these guys come back and 1433 01:19:58.039 --> 01:20:00.640 thank me so heart felt for this. In the book, 1434 01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:04.199 there's a little dedication as one brief paragrapher. Okay, if 1435 01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:08.119 I read it, just one child absolute since this book 1436 01:20:08.199 --> 01:20:10.680 is dedicated to the men who served in both the 1437 01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:15.039 US and Canadian armed forces during that tense and difficult 1438 01:20:15.159 --> 01:20:19.239 period of our shared military history known as the Cold War. 1439 01:20:19.880 --> 01:20:23.920 I recognize and respect those who have shared their stories, 1440 01:20:23.960 --> 01:20:28.119 and I equally respect those who chose to meticulously honor 1441 01:20:28.199 --> 01:20:32.119 their out

subsecrecy to the very end. It's far too 1442 01:20:32.159 --> 01:20:36.520 easy to criticize and cast judgment without considering the perspective 1443 01:20:36.560 --> 01:20:40.479 of those who are expected to follow orders and confront 1444 01:20:40.560 --> 01:20:44.000 the unknown if need be, will never being permitted to 1445 01:20:44.000 --> 01:20:49.359 publicly acknowledge its very existence, which is such, this is 1446 01:20:49.399 --> 01:20:51.439 what we expect. We put some young guy in the 1447 01:20:51.520 --> 01:20:55.279 uniform out there and say, you go over the side 1448 01:20:55.319 --> 01:20:58.439 of the ship, you approach that object, whatever, you come 1449 01:20:58.479 --> 01:21:01.239 back with an answer, you write it, you know. But 1450 01:21:01.279 --> 01:21:04.399 then again, once it's deemed you know, a secret case, right, 1451 01:21:04.800 --> 01:21:07.760 you're not even allowed to admit it ever happened. You 1452 01:21:07.800 --> 01:21:12.000 can't ask anyone, but you can't seek council or treatment 1453 01:21:12.239 --> 01:21:15.479 and nothing. You're on your own. These are victims. 1454 01:21:15.920 --> 01:21:17.920 Yeah, And if you don't do it, you will be 1455 01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:19.239 ousted or worse. 1456 01:21:19.520 --> 01:21:21.000 Sure, that's the hard part. 1457 01:21:21.119 --> 01:21:24.239 That's the weak don't talk because they know what happened. 1458 01:21:24.319 --> 01:21:28.800 Yeah, you're closed. Yeah, and it's the most unfair thing. 1459 01:21:29.720 --> 01:21:33.399 And you know it was. I was so lucky. I mean, 1460 01:21:33.439 --> 01:21:35.359 the first case I ever looked in to was Shag 1461 01:21:35.399 --> 01:21:38.119 Harbor because of the unusual way I came to it, 1462 01:21:38.159 --> 01:21:42.359 and that anyway, that's one thing that But you know 1463 01:21:42.479 --> 01:21:45.520 the difference between Shag Harbor and the Shelbourne case is 1464 01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:50.199 so different. You know, you think, okay, Nova, Scotia, water ships, plane, 1465 01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:54.560 they couldn't be any more different. Nineteen sixty seven, nineteen 1466 01:21:54.640 --> 01:21:58.479 sixty the time couldn't be any more different, right. And 1467 01:21:58.680 --> 01:22:02.359 the thing is, Shag things were always unrestricted, you know, 1468 01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:05.880 it just you know, they canceled the search, everybody went away, 1469 01:22:06.359 --> 01:22:09.000 but it was never secret. They couldn't hide it anyway. 1470 01:22:09.439 --> 01:22:11.600 It would be like the FBI trying to stop Rock 1471 01:22:11.680 --> 01:22:13.560 and Roll. It was too late. You know, you can't 1472 01:22:13.560 --> 01:22:16.319 shut down all the stations, you can't. Too many people 1473 01:22:16.359 --> 01:22:19.560 seen it happened, too many people responded. You know, it 1474 01:22:19.600 --> 01:22:22.800 was different. But Shelburn hattened underwater, out of sight of 1475 01:22:22.840 -->

01:22:27.039 any civilian. You know, they had complete control of it. 1476 01:22:27.079 --> 01:22:30.159 And in nineteen sixty on a NATO mission. You know, 1477 01:22:30.319 --> 01:22:33.119 this is the end of the Eisenhower administration. This is 1478 01:22:33.239 --> 01:22:36.359 before John Kennedy. You know, it was a different world. 1479 01:22:36.399 --> 01:22:40.239 You didn't question orders, right eight, And when these guys 1480 01:22:40.279 --> 01:22:42.880 went down there and were confronted and to go back 1481 01:22:42.920 --> 01:22:44.840 down and to film this, you know, and come face 1482 01:22:44.880 --> 01:22:48.680 to face. And you know, I mean when the men 1483 01:22:48.720 --> 01:22:51.119 first told me the story back in ninety four, you know, 1484 01:22:51.199 --> 01:22:53.760 they would use an expression like, oh god, once they 1485 01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:56.319 finally believe what we were seeing and sent us down 1486 01:22:56.319 --> 01:22:58.399 with the camera, says all hell broke loose. We were 1487 01:22:58.439 --> 01:23:02.039 all given a fire. You know, all hell broke loose 1488 01:23:02.159 --> 01:23:04.319 is one thing. But you know, when I find the 1489 01:23:04.359 --> 01:23:06.760 ship's log and I go to that moment they described 1490 01:23:06.800 --> 01:23:09.399 when the forces start throwing up the dog legged mining 1491 01:23:09.439 --> 01:23:12.800 course as a training mission and suddenly they noticed something 1492 01:23:12.840 --> 01:23:16.079 down or they're going to have a look, it doesn't 1493 01:23:16.119 --> 01:23:18.119 say all hell broke loose. Of course, you don't get 1494 01:23:18.119 --> 01:23:21.279 that kind of language in a ship's deathlog, right, But 1495 01:23:21.359 --> 01:23:23.720 why do I find I go, Okay, there's that moment. 1496 01:23:23.800 --> 01:23:27.000 All ships are there, they dropped, they meant, and what 1497 01:23:27.079 --> 01:23:32.399 as I say, assume deaf con one. Hey, I look 1498 01:23:32.520 --> 01:23:35.279 up on Wikipedia and what I find and I looked 1499 01:23:35.319 --> 01:23:38.159 up more scholarly sources than that supposed to me. It's 1500 01:23:38.199 --> 01:23:41.239 never happened, not even by a commander in the field. 1501 01:23:41.279 --> 01:23:44.479 It's that. But you know what I've got not an 1502 01:23:44.479 --> 01:23:47.000 internet room or the actual ship's log book in front 1503 01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:51.199 of me, right and you know what it says, and 1504 01:23:51.279 --> 01:23:54.159 the captain signed it. And then I find out when 1505 01:23:54.199 --> 01:23:56.640 I think about nineteen sixty, keeps going to God Jesus, 1506 01:23:56.680 --> 01:23:58.640 my dad was on the ship. He was the medic. 1507 01:24:00.039 --> 01:24:02.479 What are the chances you know he took. 1508 01:24:03.600 --> 01:24:07.680 And all the you know, can we get an information 1509 01:24:07.800 --> 01:24:09.319 request on the stuff? 1510 01:24:10.359 --> 01:24:12.000 How do

we get the pictures of that? 1511 01:24:12.119 --> 01:24:12.319 Right? 1512 01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:16.479 Well, yeah, I mean we don't. I don't think you're 1513 01:24:16.479 --> 01:24:19.640 ever going to get them first of them. I mean, 1514 01:24:19.800 --> 01:24:23.319 I know who took the pictures, who shot the film. 1515 01:24:23.800 --> 01:24:27.000 I know where they took it, right in my home 1516 01:24:27.039 --> 01:24:31.239 city here in Dartness, Nova Scotia, to the Defense Research Establishment. 1517 01:24:31.239 --> 01:24:34.439 Back then it was CALLEDRI. It's been through several rebrandings 1518 01:24:34.680 --> 01:24:38.319 on Grove Street and Dartmouth. These guys, I'll tell you 1519 01:24:38.359 --> 01:24:40.920 the level of detail when they told the story. They 1520 01:24:41.000 --> 01:24:42.840 drove it up in an old Army duce and a 1521 01:24:42.840 --> 01:24:44.560 half a truck they hated. They used to call it 1522 01:24:44.600 --> 01:24:47.359 old sid because it always broke down, and they drove 1523 01:24:47.399 --> 01:24:49.800 it to Halipax and delivered the film personally, the two 1524 01:24:49.840 --> 01:24:53.479 men that had shot at the divers, right, they handed 1525 01:24:53.479 --> 01:24:55.239 it over, and I know who they handed it to, 1526 01:24:55.359 --> 01:24:58.720 which was doctor Mace Coffee and Jason Greenblatt out there. 1527 01:24:59.359 --> 01:25:02.319 But I mean, you think you're going to get that. 1528 01:25:02.560 --> 01:25:06.319 That's that's that's very much like Raiders of the Lost Art. 1529 01:25:06.439 --> 01:25:10.039 No one's admitted I only I heard the story of 1530 01:25:10.159 --> 01:25:12.760 ninety four only because of my work on Shag Harbor. 1531 01:25:13.199 --> 01:25:15.399 But nobody would tell me the names of the ships 1532 01:25:15.399 --> 01:25:18.000 of things. But unlike shak Harber, it was different. These 1533 01:25:18.000 --> 01:25:20.560 guys start to tell you the story, it would come up, 1534 01:25:20.680 --> 01:25:22.399 like when you talk about that, one of them would 1535 01:25:22.439 --> 01:25:25.359 lean in and go, you know, when you're talking to 1536 01:25:25.399 --> 01:25:28.119 a group of divers or options, they go, you know, oh, Shelburn, 1537 01:25:28.199 --> 01:25:31.119 don't you and the others go no, no, stop and 1538 01:25:31.159 --> 01:25:34.520 they'd say, no, no, ignore him, we can't talk about that. 1539 01:25:35.319 --> 01:25:38.479 And they're being very open about shag Harbor. Right. So 1540 01:25:38.520 --> 01:25:41.159 it took me. It took me twenty nine years to 1541 01:25:41.680 --> 01:25:45.000 piece it all together. And you know, when the final 1542 01:25:45.039 --> 01:25:47.319 piece went in place and I did it, and of 1543 01:25:47.319 --> 01:25:50.359 course I didn't expect that, you know, it was that 1544 01:25:50.479 --> 01:25:53.000 far back. You know, I'd gone so far, me and 1545 01:25:53.079 --> 01:25:57.119 Graham to request the ships, the

logs for every ship 1546 01:25:57.119 --> 01:25:59.760 in the Canadian Navy going back to theirs, and you 1547 01:25:59.800 --> 01:26:03.479 know what, we stopped a year two early. We didn't 1548 01:26:03.479 --> 01:26:06.479 think it could have been that early on due to 1549 01:26:06.600 --> 01:26:12.359 other clues and yeah, but eventually what happened is there 1550 01:26:12.439 --> 01:26:16.960 was an update on the Wikipedia article about the service 1551 01:26:17.039 --> 01:26:19.720 history of HMC as Cape Scott. I'll explained in the book, 1552 01:26:19.760 --> 01:26:24.520 I had a dream and I went back to check 1553 01:26:24.800 --> 01:26:29.279 just I discounted the dream, you know, like what it 1554 01:26:29.359 --> 01:26:32.239 was telling me. But I just thought, yeah, what kind 1555 01:26:32.279 --> 01:26:34.000 of ship was a dead was on? That was a 1556 01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:36.520 weird ship. It was supposed to be a NATO floating 1557 01:26:36.560 --> 01:26:41.319 headquarters or something that Canadian Navy had repurposed. And I 1558 01:26:41.359 --> 01:26:42.960 went and I looked it up and am reading and 1559 01:26:43.039 --> 01:26:46.039 right at the end there's one sentence that change to everything. 1560 01:26:46.119 --> 01:26:47.960 You know, I had all this stuff and it wasn't 1561 01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:53.000 quite fit together. Instead, in nineteen sixty HMC has Cape 1562 01:26:53.000 --> 01:26:57.199 Scott served as a you know, on a mission off 1563 01:26:57.199 --> 01:27:01.720 Shelburne Nova Scotia called sweep Clarify. Well, after going through 1564 01:27:01.760 --> 01:27:03.920 all those ship's logs of the whole navy, for all 1565 01:27:03.960 --> 01:27:06.520 those other years. You know what, I was never able 1566 01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:10.239 to put a ship in Shelburne Harbor, so suddenly it 1567 01:27:10.279 --> 01:27:13.000 describes that. And then when I find the name of 1568 01:27:13.039 --> 01:27:15.800 the mission, I had to go to a store that 1569 01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:21.079 deals in military memorabilia here and I found a copy 1570 01:27:21.159 --> 01:27:23.760 of an old magazine called The Crow's News, which was 1571 01:27:23.760 --> 01:27:27.840 an official Canadian Navy magazine for sailors, and I looked 1572 01:27:27.840 --> 01:27:31.760 in it and I looked it up and it just 1573 01:27:31.880 --> 01:27:36.399 talked about the mission and named all ships ten US warships, 1574 01:27:36.399 --> 01:27:39.960 eight Canadian that revolved in a mind training mission off Shelburne, 1575 01:27:40.119 --> 01:27:43.439 you know. And so I had the names of the ship. 1576 01:27:43.479 --> 01:27:46.119 So I started requesting ship's logs and one thing led 1577 01:27:46.159 --> 01:27:49.239 to another. But when I first got the command ship 1578 01:27:49.560 --> 01:27:51.600 and I thought, oh my god, that was Dad's boat 1579 01:27:51.600 --> 01:27:53.840 and he was on them. You know. I was five 1580 01:27:53.920 --> 01:27:56.560 when it happened that one, you know, five, you know. 1581 01:27:57.319 --> 01:28:02.000 But when I and I thought, you know, he took 1582 01:28:02.039 --> 01:28:03.600 it to the grave because I used to ask him 1583 01:28:03.600 --> 01:28:06.279 about Shelbourne, because we talked about Shag Carburn. I know, 1584 01:28:06.319 --> 01:28:08.119 we knew a lot of the Canadian divers I mean, 1585 01:28:08.159 --> 01:28:10.159 you think about it. You're a medic, you're on a 1586 01:28:10.199 --> 01:28:12.760 ship like that, divers are always being checked out, or 1587 01:28:13.760 --> 01:28:13.960 you know. 1588 01:28:14.399 --> 01:28:16.079 Maybe he's the one who sent you that dream. 1589 01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:21.800 Well, well, how deep was the dive for this? 1590 01:28:22.439 --> 01:28:27.560 It was only forty two feet seven fathoms, says seven 1591 01:28:27.600 --> 01:28:35.000 fathoms of the book where they dropped anchor right, yeah, yeah, So, 1592 01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:37.479 which brings us back to like because of course, one 1593 01:28:37.520 --> 01:28:40.279 of the things people have said to me, let's just 1594 01:28:40.359 --> 01:28:42.920 deal with one of the questions. You know, people hear 1595 01:28:42.960 --> 01:28:45.199 this story and when they you know, we don't have 1596 01:28:45.279 --> 01:28:48.640 time here tonight. When I get into it, you know, 1597 01:28:48.680 --> 01:28:51.680 it's a pretty wild story compared to Shag Harbor. And 1598 01:28:51.760 --> 01:28:54.680 you know, there's no documentation on this she had available, 1599 01:28:55.119 --> 01:28:57.760 although you know there's a film, there's this, there's that. 1600 01:28:58.199 --> 01:29:00.680 But the ship's logs, you know, there are ship's logs 1601 01:29:00.680 --> 01:29:02.840 are a very hard thing to fake in the navy 1602 01:29:03.640 --> 01:29:06.199 because they interact with other ships. You'd have to change 1603 01:29:06.199 --> 01:29:09.079 them all and coordinate it. It ain't easy. You know 1604 01:29:09.680 --> 01:29:11.439 a lot of people don't think about that. You know, 1605 01:29:11.920 --> 01:29:14.880 it isn't impossible, nothing's impossible, but it would be a 1606 01:29:15.079 --> 01:29:18.039 very difficult thing to pay. But here's one of the 1607 01:29:18.079 --> 01:29:21.840 things that people suggest when they start realizing, okay, when 1608 01:29:21.880 --> 01:29:23.760 you hear the stories, because I heard this not just 1609 01:29:23.840 --> 01:29:27.880 some divers, but Canadian admirals has heard in the Navy, 1610 01:29:27.920 --> 01:29:31.279 the head of Maritime Command, their scientific adluck. You know, 1611 01:29:31.359 --> 01:29:34.239 they were all telling me these stories, right, and they say, yeah, 1612 01:29:34.319 --> 01:29:37.560 well I wish I could talk tell you more, but 1613 01:29:38.119 --> 01:29:40.920 they wanted the talent. But at the same time they 1614 01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:45.000 knew it was hot, you

know. So anyway I pieced 1615 01:29:45.000 --> 01:29:51.000 it together, and you know, it's it's just mind boggling, 1616 01:29:51.119 --> 01:29:53.399 you know, like what do you do with it? Where 1617 01:29:53.399 --> 01:29:55.399 do you go from here? Like you know that stuff 1618 01:29:55.560 --> 01:29:58.159 was taken there. But I mean one of the things 1619 01:29:58.159 --> 01:30:00.880 people would suggest, for example, well maybe it was a 1620 01:30:00.960 --> 01:30:04.119 Russian sub. Did it come across back then there was 1621 01:30:04.159 --> 01:30:06.720 only a twelve mile limit and forty two feet of water. 1622 01:30:06.760 --> 01:30:08.640 You could have leaned over the side, knocked on the 1623 01:30:08.640 --> 01:30:11.319 conning tap exactly. Yeah, you know what I mean. The 1624 01:30:11.439 --> 01:30:14.239 other thing is in none of the ship's logs does 1625 01:30:14.279 --> 01:30:18.279 it mention, you know, the presence of a Russian sub. 1626 01:30:18.680 --> 01:30:20.359 And I have a copy of this book and I 1627 01:30:20.399 --> 01:30:22.560 even copied the inside flap. And when you look at 1628 01:30:22.600 --> 01:30:26.880 the rules to not mention an enemy ship in your territory. 1629 01:30:27.039 --> 01:30:30.720 And think about this a NATO mission. You got these 1630 01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:34.600 ten American warships an a Canadian in the Canadian harbor, 1631 01:30:34.640 --> 01:30:36.279 and you had a Russian sub there. It would have 1632 01:30:36.279 --> 01:30:37.399 had a pretty bad day. 1633 01:30:39.199 --> 01:30:42.520 Not only that national everybody would have known about. It 1634 01:30:42.600 --> 01:30:44.319 would have caused an international incident. 1635 01:30:44.920 --> 01:30:47.880 Remember that happened in Sweden a few years later. That 1636 01:30:47.960 --> 01:30:50.199 happened once and the Swedes were bombing the hell out 1637 01:30:50.199 --> 01:30:55.920 of this Russian sub out there taking it. Yeah, yeah, 1638 01:30:56.000 --> 01:30:57.159 it would have been an incident. 1639 01:30:57.279 --> 01:30:59.279 It's amazing to me, Chris, is that if not for 1640 01:30:59.359 --> 01:31:02.840 the recent what you've done, nobody would know about this incident. 1641 01:31:03.039 --> 01:31:06.319 No, this one would be forgot. Well, I mean Shag Harbor. 1642 01:31:07.319 --> 01:31:09.720 You know, the people were dying off it. Well, like 1643 01:31:09.760 --> 01:31:12.960 I say, somebody like Stanton had never heard of you 1644 01:31:13.039 --> 01:31:18.279 know what I mean this, Yeah, it was slipping into 1645 01:31:18.319 --> 01:31:21.840 the dustbin of history. But Shelburn, nobody ever knew. You know, 1646 01:31:21.960 --> 01:31:23.920 it was out of the public. You know, you're ten 1647 01:31:24.000 --> 01:31:27.920 miles you know from downtown showburn out at the odor 1648 01:31:28.079 --> 01:31:30.159 entrance of the harbor that looks more like a river 1649 01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:33.399 of the configuration.

Very few people living out there. It 1650 01:31:33.479 --> 01:31:37.800 all happened underwater, right. Yeah, the public never knew. And 1651 01:31:37.800 --> 01:31:40.960 that's at a time in the Cold War when you know, 1652 01:31:41.079 --> 01:31:45.079 nobody questioned security or orders. There were no leaks, you know, 1653 01:31:45.960 --> 01:31:47.640 And it was only because of my work in shag 1654 01:31:47.720 --> 01:31:49.680 Harbor are dealing with these people that were in the 1655 01:31:49.760 --> 01:31:53.000 hands on position that it started to leak out. But 1656 01:31:53.039 --> 01:31:55.039 they would start to leak and then you'd see them, 1657 01:31:55.039 --> 01:31:58.640 they'd get scared, they'd get like these guys like I 1658 01:31:58.680 --> 01:32:01.800 could talk about shag Harbord, they talk about other UFO cases, 1659 01:32:02.000 --> 01:32:05.479 very strange things. You know, A diver's work is very intense. 1660 01:32:05.520 --> 01:32:08.479 They often have to haul a friend that died out 1661 01:32:08.479 --> 01:32:12.039 of a crash, subtracker or helicopter. You know, it's a 1662 01:32:12.279 --> 01:32:17.720 they do some awful work, you know. And but to 1663 01:32:17.800 --> 01:32:19.960 see these guys and when you start to push their 1664 01:32:19.960 --> 01:32:21.720 buttons saying well, what do you mean, just tell me 1665 01:32:21.760 --> 01:32:23.479 the name of the ship you're on, and you see, 1666 01:32:23.520 --> 01:32:26.640 they started realizing they said too much. These guys were saying, 1667 01:32:27.039 --> 01:32:30.279 I'm sorry, I can't say anymore. And you push their 1668 01:32:30.279 --> 01:32:32.319 buttons of it, and they started to tear up. You know, 1669 01:32:32.640 --> 01:32:34.520 I mean, these guys don't do that, you know what 1670 01:32:34.560 --> 01:32:38.840 I mean? You could feel it, yeah. 1671 01:32:38.760 --> 01:32:40.439 And to get that emotional and it was a big deal, 1672 01:32:40.560 --> 01:32:40.960 that's right. 1673 01:32:41.159 --> 01:32:44.000 And it didn't matter if it was the divers, the 1674 01:32:44.119 --> 01:32:49.920 scientific and sultant, the head of maritime Command, the Canadian animals. 1675 01:32:50.000 --> 01:32:53.079 They spoke to the captains of these ships. I didn't 1676 01:32:53.079 --> 01:32:55.520 get them all. But you know, I've been very lucky. 1677 01:32:55.560 --> 01:32:57.319 There's one of the things that they you know, and 1678 01:32:57.479 --> 01:33:00.159 a lot of people I try to stress, get in 1679 01:33:00.199 --> 01:33:02.800 the armchair, if you can meet the actual people, if 1680 01:33:02.840 --> 01:33:06.479 you can, if you can't get there, you know, a 1681 01:33:06.520 --> 01:33:09.920 personal phone call, listen to the voice. You know, you 1682 01:33:10.000 --> 01:33:12.399 get those things you don't get between the lines and 1683 01:33:12.439 --> 01:33:15.119 an email. If you have to, sure use an email. 1684 01:33:15.199 --> 01:33:17.800 I use the email. I google things up. But when 1685 01:33:17.840 --> 01:33:20.800 that fails, I don't stop there. You know. But the 1686 01:33:20.880 --> 01:33:23.479 more up close and personally you can get, you need 1687 01:33:23.520 --> 01:33:25.600 to let these things seep into your bones. You need 1688 01:33:25.640 --> 01:33:31.199 to feel. You need to be an investigator, like I 1689 01:33:31.239 --> 01:33:33.520 think about like the old newspaper man when you had 1690 01:33:33.560 --> 01:33:35.920 the press card in your hat. You watch the old movies, 1691 01:33:36.000 --> 01:33:38.039 you know, or you know a good example of what 1692 01:33:38.159 --> 01:33:41.239 somebody did. You know, Coral or ends it. You know, 1693 01:33:41.279 --> 01:33:42.960 when you look at what she did she was a 1694 01:33:43.119 --> 01:33:49.560 newspaper woman and you know, interestingly, I think the thing 1695 01:33:49.640 --> 01:33:52.840 for her she always talked about her childhood sighting before 1696 01:33:52.880 --> 01:33:56.399 the so called modern UFO ver forty seven in the thirties, 1697 01:33:56.680 --> 01:34:00.359 and she was what nine and how dedicate it and 1698 01:34:00.399 --> 01:34:02.840 serious she was. And you know there's another thing. In 1699 01:34:02.880 --> 01:34:06.159 the early sixes, you had this huge split between the 1700 01:34:06.199 --> 01:34:09.800 two biggest UFO groups in the US. You had uh, 1701 01:34:10.279 --> 01:34:14.119 you know, NIICAP the largest group right that was very 1702 01:34:14.119 --> 01:34:17.079 big on disclosure. And then you had APRO, which is, oh, 1703 01:34:17.119 --> 01:34:19.279 get the hell out of the armchair and get out 1704 01:34:19.279 --> 01:34:21.760 there and get your answer to the government. They can 1705 01:34:21.800 --> 01:34:23.880 to guarantee and if they given to you, they're probably 1706 01:34:23.920 --> 01:34:27.239 not true. You know. This was little Renson's attitude. So 1707 01:34:27.760 --> 01:34:30.399 you know, there was those two trains of thought. It's 1708 01:34:30.399 --> 01:34:32.920 not that much different nowadays, you know what I mean. 1709 01:34:33.399 --> 01:34:35.359 But I think we all have to learn to get 1710 01:34:35.359 --> 01:34:37.520 along in the field a bit better, you know, you 1711 01:34:37.600 --> 01:34:40.920 have to. You know, there's a place where us all 1712 01:34:40.920 --> 01:34:43.640 in there. There's so much to be done. I just 1713 01:34:43.680 --> 01:34:46.159 don't think we can rely on the government disclosure. Look, 1714 01:34:46.239 --> 01:34:48.279 I wish them all the best. When I meet them, 1715 01:34:48.279 --> 01:34:50.760 and people say, well, you're not part of that movement. 1716 01:34:50.800 --> 01:34:52.760 And I said, well, I have questions about it and doubts, 1717 01:34:52.760 --> 01:34:54.560 you know, I said, listen, I don't have nothing better 1718 01:34:54.560 --> 01:34:56.479 than if they rub my nose. And as long as 1719

01:34:56.479 --> 01:34:59.399 they're getting the real answers, you know, and are willing 1720 01:34:59.760 --> 01:35:02.960 to actually disclose them to others, you know, Like, I'm 1721 01:35:02.960 --> 01:35:07.800 fine with that. You know. It shouldn't be about us 1722 01:35:07.800 --> 01:35:10.319 so much. It shouldn't be about ego, and it shouldn't 1723 01:35:10.359 --> 01:35:15.000 be about you know, personality. Yeah, I mean it's you know, 1724 01:35:15.079 --> 01:35:18.239 these fields tend to become a culture personality, and we 1725 01:35:18.319 --> 01:35:19.479 all lose because of it. 1726 01:35:20.680 --> 01:35:24.319 It's still tremendously disappointing to me that people like you 1727 01:35:24.399 --> 01:35:27.279 and I and you are the ones who are on 1728 01:35:27.319 --> 01:35:30.119 the front lines of your research when really it should 1729 01:35:30.119 --> 01:35:33.720 be well funded. Sure should have Well, I mean I 1730 01:35:33.720 --> 01:35:37.840 can tell you I have no mone keeper, you know, nobody, 1731 01:35:38.079 --> 01:35:38.239 you know. 1732 01:35:38.600 --> 01:35:41.479 I mean, you know you don't say this on the phone, 1733 01:35:41.520 --> 01:35:44.439 but here's the reality. I'm going, Yeah, no, we'll arrange 1734 01:35:44.479 --> 01:35:47.840 to me sometime once I got that power bill covered, 1735 01:35:47.880 --> 01:35:51.600 that isn't I'm looking at the calendar coming in. Maybe 1736 01:35:51.600 --> 01:35:56.920 there'll be an Amazon payment this. Yeah, like you got 1737 01:35:56.960 --> 01:35:59.680 to do, you know what I mean. But but I 1738 01:35:59.680 --> 01:36:02.319 look at what I've accomplished. Look, I always tell people 1739 01:36:02.399 --> 01:36:07.239 persistence pays off. Learn from your mistakes. I've certainly made mistakes, 1740 01:36:07.640 --> 01:36:12.760 but I think I've learned from them. And you know, 1741 01:36:12.960 --> 01:36:14.960 you've got to be willing to try new things too, 1742 01:36:15.840 --> 01:36:18.439 you know what I mean. And there's a lot to 1743 01:36:18.479 --> 01:36:20.720 be learned. But you realize that when you see what 1744 01:36:20.840 --> 01:36:23.760 goes on in government and with these agencies and in 1745 01:36:23.840 --> 01:36:28.399 the intelligence community and the police forces and the people 1746 01:36:28.439 --> 01:36:31.560 in the hands on from dirist Air CMP to havebi 1747 01:36:31.720 --> 01:36:35.079 agents to whoever in your country you you know, to 1748 01:36:35.119 --> 01:36:40.600 the pilots, you realize, you know, you you, they're all 1749 01:36:40.640 --> 01:36:44.159 on their own. They're all on their own. You know, 1750 01:36:44.239 --> 01:36:46.520 there's no one coordinating all this, and a lot of 1751 01:36:46.520 --> 01:36:48.600 stuff's allows. And you get out there and if you 1752 01:36:48.640 --> 01:36:51.119 get a good idea, try it. If it's a bad 1753 01:36:51.159 --> 01:36:53.680 idea in the end, learn from that mistake and don't 1754 01:36:53.720 --> 01:36:57.239 repeat it. But look for others. You know, like and 1755 01:36:58.079 --> 01:36:59.640 I think that's what I've done. You've got to keep 1756 01:36:59.680 --> 01:37:01.680 an open in mind. You hear the expression a lot, 1757 01:37:01.720 --> 01:37:04.720 but most people really don't have an open mind. You know, 1758 01:37:05.399 --> 01:37:07.880 they think they do, they claim they do, they don't, 1759 01:37:08.279 --> 01:37:12.000 you know. I mean I hear stories sometimes that you know, 1760 01:37:12.039 --> 01:37:13.680 they don't make a lot of sense to me. They 1761 01:37:13.760 --> 01:37:16.079 might be right, they might be wrong, but you listen, 1762 01:37:16.880 --> 01:37:19.000 you weigh it, and you know you may learn down 1763 01:37:19.039 --> 01:37:22.119 the road. Like look, when I first heard the Shelburne story, 1764 01:37:22.359 --> 01:37:25.279 I hated it. I really hated it because you know what, 1765 01:37:25.720 --> 01:37:28.119 back in the yearly nineties, when I first got into this, 1766 01:37:28.880 --> 01:37:30.760 I thought, Man, I'm so lucky to have a case 1767 01:37:30.840 --> 01:37:32.880 like Shag Herbern. It's all over. I'm going to get 1768 01:37:32.880 --> 01:37:36.720 in all these secure documents that are guaranteed with coverletters 1769 01:37:36.760 --> 01:37:39.920 and the government and it was always understraated. Why isn't 1770 01:37:39.920 --> 01:37:42.399 somebody It was great. I was like a kid in 1771 01:37:42.479 --> 01:37:45.199 the candy shop. But you know what, when I started 1772 01:37:45.199 --> 01:37:47.840 hearing the really weird stuff that wasn't fit, and at 1773 01:37:47.840 --> 01:37:50.039 that time, people were still trying to connect it to 1774 01:37:50.079 --> 01:37:53.199 Shag Harber and wouldn't talk to me, I was like, Oh, 1775 01:37:53.239 --> 01:37:56.039 they're going to mess up my perfect UFO crash scenario 1776 01:37:56.199 --> 01:38:00.560 that's airtight and rock solid, and you know, I avoid 1777 01:38:00.600 --> 01:38:03.079 all this mess that the poor people at Roswell had 1778 01:38:03.079 --> 01:38:05.479 to put up with, and the researchers there. I was 1779 01:38:05.520 --> 01:38:07.199 gonna avoid all that, and every time I hear the 1780 01:38:07.239 --> 01:38:10.760 showering story, I don't. I just hate it. But you 1781 01:38:10.800 --> 01:38:14.680 know what, you learn to get past that, and you 1782 01:38:14.840 --> 01:38:17.800 learn to embrace the uncertainty, and you learn to open 1783 01:38:17.880 --> 01:38:20.520 your mind. You know, you open your mind. You don't 1784 01:38:20.560 --> 01:38:22.640 let your brain fall on the ground, but you do 1785 01:38:22.760 --> 01:38:23.600 open your mind. 1786 01:38:23.760 --> 01:38:25.960 You know, follow the story where it goes. 1787 01:38:26.319 --> 01:38:30.479 You tell the truth. That's the point. You know, you're 1788 01:38:30.479 --> 01:38:33.439 telling the truth, all right. And the more

you stick 1789 01:38:33.479 --> 01:38:36.279 to your guns and you stay with it and you 1790 01:38:36.359 --> 01:38:38.800 with the other stuff weed itself away from you. And 1791 01:38:38.840 --> 01:38:41.199 there are plenty of people reading through that. Trust me. 1792 01:38:41.600 --> 01:38:43.359 The truth is still the truth. At the end of 1793 01:38:43.399 --> 01:38:45.399 the day. The truth is still the truth. And you 1794 01:38:45.439 --> 01:38:49.119 can't form any other opinions other than what real data shows. 1795 01:38:49.319 --> 01:38:54.319 You can't any opinions about anything because data gives you knowledge. 1796 01:38:54.720 --> 01:38:57.800 And there's a huge difference between certain things that are 1797 01:38:57.840 --> 01:39:03.159 brought out or used again to show crazy stuff going on, 1798 01:39:03.560 --> 01:39:06.239 and it never ever ever sits there long enough to 1799 01:39:06.239 --> 01:39:10.960 become knowledge. It's still gossip. It's still misinformation, disinformation, and 1800 01:39:11.079 --> 01:39:13.039 people can still go back to the original and you're 1801 01:39:13.039 --> 01:39:16.880 holding on to something incredible to me, and you're right 1802 01:39:16.920 --> 01:39:19.760 about something. This is better than Roswell. You were carrying 1803 01:39:20.159 --> 01:39:28.680 the truth heavily carrying it your Researchswell. 1804 01:39:29.239 --> 01:39:37.279 Yeah, I'm not saying it's better than Roswell. I can 1805 01:39:37.520 --> 01:39:39.319 when I used to first go to the US and 1806 01:39:39.359 --> 01:39:41.239 go to the conference, and I'd be surprised, you know, 1807 01:39:41.319 --> 01:39:43.920 some guy would come down, put a microphone in front 1808 01:39:43.920 --> 01:39:46.640 of it, whether it was local media or Fox News 1809 01:39:46.760 --> 01:39:49.840 or whatever, it wasn't it, and they keep asking you 1810 01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:53.279 something and I'd sort of be dancing around it, and 1811 01:39:55.600 --> 01:39:56.960 I'll tell you, I know what you're trying to do. 1812 01:39:57.079 --> 01:39:59.039 You're trying to get me to say that, you know, 1813 01:39:59.079 --> 01:40:01.720 my UFO craft is better than your weather balloon. But 1814 01:40:01.760 --> 01:40:04.000 I'm not going to say it. Did I say it? 1815 01:40:04.119 --> 01:40:06.279 You know? But I mean, but you know that was 1816 01:40:06.319 --> 01:40:08.399 what the media was trying to boil it down to 1817 01:40:08.520 --> 01:40:13.159 a slogan, you know, a sound bite, right, yeah, you know, 1818 01:40:13.880 --> 01:40:17.279 and you know, unfortunately we do have to use sound bites, 1819 01:40:17.319 --> 01:40:18.920 you know what I mean? It works that way, right 1820 01:40:18.960 --> 01:40:21.479 because if somebody calls up and you know, we're going 1821 01:40:21.560 --> 01:40:24.319 to do a good short interview and they say, Chris, 1822 01:40:24.359 --> 01:40:26.880 we actually only got about three minutes at this point 1823 01:40:26.920 --> 01:40:30.560 in the national news, right, Okay, so they're going to 1824 01:40:30.600 --> 01:40:33.279 ask me what's the significance of the Shay Harbor incident. 1825 01:40:33.520 --> 01:40:36.359 You're going to have to give them a SoundBite, you know, right, 1826 01:40:36.600 --> 01:40:40.079 and I have one, right, and uh, that's what you give. 1827 01:40:40.239 --> 01:40:43.600 But it's unfortunate, but that's the nature. But luckily, due 1828 01:40:43.640 --> 01:40:46.840 to podcasts and the fact that media has opened up 1829 01:40:46.880 --> 01:40:48.520 the way it has, you can get out of all 1830 01:40:48.520 --> 01:40:51.359 the gory details. Now, you know, you can press the flesh, 1831 01:40:51.399 --> 01:40:54.840 you can you could make people realize how challenging it 1832 01:40:54.880 --> 01:40:57.199 is and what we're doing and how worth doing it 1833 01:40:57.279 --> 01:40:59.960 is though, you know, because it is work. 1834 01:41:00.479 --> 01:41:03.199 I want to pop up a few questions. We don't 1835 01:41:03.239 --> 01:41:06.119 really have a whole lot of time, but here's one 1836 01:41:06.159 --> 01:41:08.520 from dead Fish Tree spread. 1837 01:41:09.520 --> 01:41:12.319 Wow, quite the handle. 1838 01:41:14.680 --> 01:41:17.479 Have you heard about anything that was recovered from Lake Huron, 1839 01:41:18.039 --> 01:41:20.479 the Yukon or the Alaska shootdowns? 1840 01:41:22.359 --> 01:41:25.159 No, I've heard that, you know, they shot the things 1841 01:41:25.199 --> 01:41:28.000 down in Alaska and the shot went down over Canada. 1842 01:41:28.359 --> 01:41:34.039 I haven't heard any details. The official THEOM claims it 1843 01:41:34.079 --> 01:41:37.119 was probably a Chinese spy balloon, and that's certainly possible 1844 01:41:37.159 --> 01:41:39.079 in terms of the Yukon. I've heard of a very 1845 01:41:39.079 --> 01:41:42.359 interesting case there. I have, God, I couldn't tell you 1846 01:41:42.399 --> 01:41:44.359 they I'm going to have to dig of that one out. 1847 01:41:44.880 --> 01:41:47.399 Do you ever post documents or should I be sending 1848 01:41:47.479 --> 01:41:50.520 you stuff before we do appearances. I get all kinds 1849 01:41:50.560 --> 01:41:53.159 of weird reports. But you know, somewhere if I go 1850 01:41:53.279 --> 01:41:55.000 look and I couldn't put my finger on it. Now, 1851 01:41:55.039 --> 01:41:58.560 I have a report from the Yukon, from the RCMP 1852 01:41:58.720 --> 01:42:02.920 about a prospect or somebody or a fisherman. He was 1853 01:42:03.039 --> 01:42:04.840 up there and he was out in the summer in 1854 01:42:04.880 --> 01:42:08.039 some weeds somewhere like near some swampy ground, and he 1855 01:42:08.039 --> 01:42:12.119 heard a very strange sound and suddenly something was chopping 1856 01:42:12.159 --> 01:42:15.159 this stuff down. He couldn't see an object, and it 1857 01:42:15.279 --> 01:42:18.319 sounded violent and life threatening, and he hit the

dirt 1858 01:42:19.199 --> 01:42:21.800 and when it was all over, it had stirred up, 1859 01:42:21.880 --> 01:42:25.159 destroyed a lot of vegetation. It actually ground down into 1860 01:42:25.199 --> 01:42:28.640 the water bottom of this. And he reported the RCMP, 1861 01:42:28.760 --> 01:42:31.560 and they came and found the evidence of this and 1862 01:42:31.680 --> 01:42:35.840 tried to recover something. But I don't know, but I 1863 01:42:36.239 --> 01:42:38.520 had that RCMP. I'll have to dig that out. I 1864 01:42:38.520 --> 01:42:41.279 got so much of that old stuff here and I'm 1865 01:42:41.359 --> 01:42:44.560 just so busy with the things that I do, and 1866 01:42:45.079 --> 01:42:48.840 life keeps getting in the way. As you know, President, 1867 01:42:48.960 --> 01:42:52.960 I suppose finding about working with little to no budget. 1868 01:42:52.960 --> 01:42:56.800 In my case no budget. You know, I've been lucky 1869 01:42:56.880 --> 01:42:58.920 enough once or twice to have brief support from a 1870 01:42:58.960 --> 01:43:04.560 TV show to you know, do a dive or you know, 1871 01:43:04.720 --> 01:43:06.920 go to Ottawa for two weeks. And that was back 1872 01:43:06.960 --> 01:43:09.520 in the nineties and there's been you know, a little since. 1873 01:43:09.600 --> 01:43:12.039 But I do what I can when I can. But yeah, 1874 01:43:12.079 --> 01:43:15.199 there's that interesting case in the Yukon. If I get 1875 01:43:15.239 --> 01:43:17.760 that up, I'll send an inn. Maybe we can talk 1876 01:43:17.760 --> 01:43:23.239 about the next time. But yeah, like you're no, I mean. 1877 01:43:24.640 --> 01:43:26.720 There's lots of activity over the Great Lakes, I know that. 1878 01:43:27.000 --> 01:43:29.119 Oh god, yeah, you know, I mean, and that goes back. 1879 01:43:29.159 --> 01:43:31.760 There's those great cases like the Ken Ross case. You know, 1880 01:43:31.840 --> 01:43:34.680 the Jets never found They thought they had a couple 1881 01:43:34.720 --> 01:43:37.880 of times, but never has. I mean, and certainly something 1882 01:43:37.920 --> 01:43:43.159 strange happened with that, with the Mancla case there, and yeah, yeah, 1883 01:43:43.159 --> 01:43:45.359 I mean there's lots of sightings over the Great Lakes 1884 01:43:45.359 --> 01:43:47.800 of course, you know. And that's like, you know, you're 1885 01:43:47.840 --> 01:43:49.800 coming up in October, you should mention them when you're 1886 01:43:49.880 --> 01:43:51.800 up to the conference. You know those dates. That's the 1887 01:43:51.840 --> 01:43:55.560 anniversary of the Shagarver incident over the fourth right, right, 1888 01:43:56.039 --> 01:43:59.119 So we're right down there where it's going to happen, 1889 01:43:59.159 --> 01:44:01.199 and we're going to be there. You're in the right spot, 1890 01:44:01.319 --> 01:44:03.359 you know, at the right time. The only thing we 1891 01:44:03.439 --> 01:44:05.520 can't do is take you back in time, you know. 1892 01:44:06.119

--> 01:44:08.319 And that's one of the unique things about the conference 1893 01:44:08.359 --> 01:44:11.359 we have down there is that you you know, we 1894 01:44:11.479 --> 01:44:15.840 take you there. You know, you meet the actual witnesses 1895 01:44:17.199 --> 01:44:20.560 that are still alive. There are several, you know, you 1896 01:44:20.680 --> 01:44:23.560 meet the so called experts, right, We take your right 1897 01:44:23.600 --> 01:44:25.319 to the sites. The only thing we can't do is 1898 01:44:25.359 --> 01:44:27.399 take you back in time. But you know you'll be 1899 01:44:27.439 --> 01:44:30.479 able to picture it and you'll get close. And I 1900 01:44:30.520 --> 01:44:33.840 think it's kind of a neat conference that way, you know. Yeah. 1901 01:44:34.039 --> 01:44:43.119 The little so called museum more of an interpretive center. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1902 01:44:42.960 --> 01:44:44.520 Well, I'm looking forward to it. It's gonna be a 1903 01:44:44.560 --> 01:44:45.239 lot of fun. 1904 01:44:46.840 --> 01:44:51.159 Yeah. I'm sure it's you know, different than most you've gone. Well, 1905 01:44:51.199 --> 01:44:53.199 I know it is, because I've been to some of them. 1906 01:44:53.640 --> 01:44:57.399 You know, they don't travel much anymore. The last time 1907 01:44:57.399 --> 01:44:59.319 I was out of conference was a few years ago 1908 01:44:59.359 --> 01:45:02.239 in Toronto, you know. But I mean I can remember 1909 01:45:02.279 --> 01:45:04.800 when I've been down in New Jersey or wherever when 1910 01:45:04.800 --> 01:45:06.880 I used to get into the US a lot. Yeah, 1911 01:45:07.039 --> 01:45:09.039 this is a little different than that, you know. But 1912 01:45:10.039 --> 01:45:12.199 we're gonna have a great time. I'm so looking forward 1913 01:45:12.239 --> 01:45:15.920 to meeting the two, you know, talk because you can 1914 01:45:15.960 --> 01:45:18.000 sit there at the table at practice to talk about 1915 01:45:18.039 --> 01:45:23.479 the dirt behind the dirt, the stuff we dare not 1916 01:45:23.720 --> 01:45:28.880 you know here, you know, but it should be should 1917 01:45:28.920 --> 01:45:29.520 be just great. 1918 01:45:30.000 --> 01:45:33.720 I encourage everyone to check out your books because they're amazing, 1919 01:45:33.800 --> 01:45:37.680 of course, and this is an encountered the Shelbourne case 1920 01:45:37.720 --> 01:45:40.720 that definitely deserves to be well known. And of course 1921 01:45:40.760 --> 01:45:47.359 Shag Harbor amazing. So yeah, I'm very excited. We should 1922 01:45:47.359 --> 01:45:48.039 have a good time. 1923 01:45:48.640 --> 01:45:52.239 I'm finally hoping to produce another book about a close 1924 01:45:52.359 --> 01:45:55.960 encounter case down there, and I've been promising myself I'm 1925 01:45:55.960 --> 01:45:57.359 going to get to it for a year or two 1926 01:45:57.880 --> 01:46:00.760 with somebody down there who's a repeater who I'm very 1927 01:46:02.159 --> 01:46:05.319 I find

a very very credible case and I think 1928 01:46:05.359 --> 01:46:08.159 it'll surprise people to find me applying my kind of 1929 01:46:08.159 --> 01:46:12.079 talents and approach to a case like that, but it's coming. 1930 01:46:12.680 --> 01:46:15.319 It's just one more thing. Like me, I've always been one. 1931 01:46:15.359 --> 01:46:16.960 I'm looking there. I got to get out of my 1932 01:46:17.000 --> 01:46:20.560 comfort zone, right, which is hard to do when I'm 1933 01:46:20.560 --> 01:46:22.920 comfortable anywhere with anything, you know. 1934 01:46:23.479 --> 01:46:26.159 Yeah, yeah, I want to give a shout out to 1935 01:46:26.199 --> 01:46:28.079 Martin Willis's well. 1936 01:46:29.199 --> 01:46:32.119 I think of Marten as the voice of reason in 1937 01:46:32.159 --> 01:46:35.760 the field, and I have to say, look, he's been 1938 01:46:35.800 --> 01:46:38.279 our MC we've had in the last few years. He's 1939 01:46:38.319 --> 01:46:41.800 a consummate professional. He's sort of the voice of reason. 1940 01:46:41.880 --> 01:46:44.720 He's been an extreme supporter of the Shay Harbor case, 1941 01:46:45.520 --> 01:46:49.079 and we love to have you know, when I talked 1942 01:46:49.119 --> 01:46:51.760 about how we have a tradition of how you know 1943 01:46:51.800 --> 01:46:55.079 when somebody can't, he literally called me one day the 1944 01:46:55.159 --> 01:46:59.079 day before going in for a bypass operation had to cancel, 1945 01:46:59.119 --> 01:47:01.319 and I promised them we'd have him back the next year. 1946 01:47:01.920 --> 01:47:04.039 We did, and he's been coming up ever since as 1947 01:47:04.119 --> 01:47:07.560 he you know. So that's that's the kind of thing, 1948 01:47:07.680 --> 01:47:11.720 you know. But that's the thing about this conference, you know, 1949 01:47:11.800 --> 01:47:13.880 we we've all kind of really made friends in it, 1950 01:47:13.920 --> 01:47:16.680 and I've seen enemies become friends at this thing. And 1951 01:47:16.920 --> 01:47:19.079 you know, people on the other sides of the fence 1952 01:47:19.119 --> 01:47:21.880 can close that won't miss it to come back. And 1953 01:47:22.000 --> 01:47:24.359 you know, I I You've got to love that part 1954 01:47:24.399 --> 01:47:26.359 of it, you know when you see that happen, because 1955 01:47:26.520 --> 01:47:29.039 I've been at the ones down south sometimes where you know, 1956 01:47:29.760 --> 01:47:35.279 a fistfight broke out or whatever. You know, We've yet 1957 01:47:35.319 --> 01:47:39.600 to have any of that foolishness, so you know, but yeah, 1958 01:47:39.840 --> 01:47:42.520 Martin's great support of the case and me and my 1959 01:47:42.640 --> 01:47:46.840 work and you know, but yeah, he just does a 1960 01:47:46.840 --> 01:47:49.479 great job person keeping things moving along. We have some 1961 01:47:49.479 --> 01:47:52.319 good tech people there, we have. You know, it's a 1962 01:47:52.359 --> 01:47:54.600 long way from the fishing village and the church hall 1963 01:47:54.680 --> 01:47:59.039 we used to do. You know, Martin, it's very cool. 1964 01:47:59.239 --> 01:48:01.520 Is there somebody else we didn't get to there? No, 1965 01:48:02.119 --> 01:48:07.439 that must be it the two of you, Mark D'Antonio Dercy, 1966 01:48:07.800 --> 01:48:11.880 is that it is? Yeah, well, you know, and of 1967 01:48:11.920 --> 01:48:15.000 course I think the other star, if anyone was the Comera. 1968 01:48:15.159 --> 01:48:17.680 Finally can want to go to a different conferences in 1969 01:48:17.720 --> 01:48:21.520 the area itself. You know, it's kind of unique looking 1970 01:48:21.520 --> 01:48:24.560 out there into the Gulf of Maine and you know, 1971 01:48:24.640 --> 01:48:26.760 you can sit there, it's not that hard to imagine 1972 01:48:26.800 --> 01:48:29.199 that strange things happen here. You know, it just has 1973 01:48:29.279 --> 01:48:32.159 that feel to it. And you know, most of these 1974 01:48:32.199 --> 01:48:34.159 great sightings here. A lot of people say, how come 1975 01:48:34.199 --> 01:48:37.079 it's always October, Like when I talked about the case 1976 01:48:37.159 --> 01:48:43.079 in Mentro or Harbor or hey, Shelburne October, what is it? Well, 1977 01:48:43.279 --> 01:48:46.279 it just wouldn't apply to the Shelburne cases. It's underwater. 1978 01:48:46.640 --> 01:48:48.960 And I say, well, there's probably some practical reason we 1979 01:48:49.039 --> 01:48:52.239 tend to get a lot more sightings because often, you know, 1980 01:48:52.880 --> 01:48:54.840 it's it's the time of year when we have clearer 1981 01:48:54.920 --> 01:48:57.119 skies and not a lot of cloud cover and a 1982 01:48:57.119 --> 01:49:00.479 lot of you know, it's just sometimes that simple, you know. 1983 01:49:02.079 --> 01:49:04.760 But there's a history here of all types of the phenomena, 1984 01:49:04.960 --> 01:49:08.359 like I say, from close encounters to just the really exotic, 1985 01:49:08.479 --> 01:49:12.760 weird stuff, you know, And unfortunately, you know, one of 1986 01:49:12.800 --> 01:49:14.960 the native aspects. When you get a case like Shay 1987 01:49:15.279 --> 01:49:18.960 Rochelle burned, is it kind of eclipses the real heritage 1988 01:49:19.000 --> 01:49:22.119 of all these other aspects of the phenomena that happened. 1989 01:49:22.720 --> 01:49:24.800 But you know, you'll get a taste of it and 1990 01:49:24.840 --> 01:49:29.600 meet some of the people, the locals, and we'll probably 1991 01:49:29.640 --> 01:49:31.239 be driving along and say, oh god, you know what 1992 01:49:31.399 --> 01:49:31.960 happened here. 1993 01:49:34.520 --> 01:49:37.520 I love those running conversations about stuff. Preston did debt 1994 01:49:37.560 --> 01:49:40.720 to me all the way out to Georgia. Oh I 1995 01:49:40.720 --> 01:49:42.800 have GI's right there, and we looked at the town 1996 01:49:42.800 --> 01:49:43.239 a little bit. 1997 01:49:44.000 --> 01:49:49.920 Yeah, we through Hopkinsville, Kentucky. 1998 01:49:47.600 --> 01:49:47.800 Yeah. 1999 01:49:50.640 --> 01:49:53.560 Yeah, I hope, I hope some people watching can make 2000 01:49:53.600 --> 01:49:58.640 it because it's going to be a fun show. Thanks 2001 01:49:58.760 --> 01:50:00.680 Chris in the show. 2002 01:50:00.760 --> 01:50:03.159 Thank you for the interest that have me again and 2003 01:50:03.399 --> 01:50:07.079 looking forward to meeting up there close and personal with 2004 01:50:07.119 --> 01:50:12.159 you both, and it should be a blast. Absolutely, tell 2005 01:50:12.199 --> 01:50:15.079 everyone you know keep looking up. Take your hands into 2006 01:50:15.119 --> 01:50:17.279 your pocket. Too many people walk around with their hands 2007 01:50:19.199 --> 01:50:21.840 look up. You just never know, that's right. 2008 01:50:22.279 --> 01:50:26.159 Yeah, Chris, thank you everybody. I want to give a 2009 01:50:26.239 --> 01:50:29.000 quick shout out to all you folks watching. We truly 2010 01:50:29.039 --> 01:50:33.800 appreciate it. You guys get generously donated. Really helps us 2011 01:50:33.840 --> 01:50:36.239 a lot. Much love to you. I must stay and 2012 01:50:36.319 --> 01:50:41.159 Bob Thorson, rolland Melendez, you guys are amazing. JD. Thank you. 2013 01:50:41.760 --> 01:50:44.159 We love all you guys. It's truly because of you 2014 01:50:44.319 --> 01:50:46.880 we do this show. So thank you so much for 2015 01:50:46.920 --> 01:50:50.600 your support. Kayla brad Lee says Chris is certainly a 2016 01:50:50.640 --> 01:50:54.479 pioneer in search for the truth. Lovely guest. I totally agree. 2017 01:50:55.199 --> 01:50:58.520 Great guest, great show. Thank you guys. This is awesome. 2018 01:50:58.920 --> 01:51:02.760 So yeah, all right, Dolly gott it bring us out, 2019 01:51:03.079 --> 01:51:03.399 all right. 2020 01:51:03.520 --> 01:51:06.479 Thank you everyone for attending tonight. We're so excited about 2021 01:51:06.520 --> 01:51:09.199 going to Shag Harbor. And Chris, thank you very very much. 2022 01:51:09.760 --> 01:51:13.479 I've learned to hold you in great esteem already and 2023 01:51:13.520 --> 01:51:16.119 I can't wait to meet you in person. We are 2024 01:51:16.119 --> 01:51:18.520 coming to live from the beautiful city of New Orleans 2025 01:51:18.560 --> 01:51:21.880 and Louisiana at the United Public Radio Network and one 2026 01:51:21.920 --> 01:51:25.039 on seven point seven FM and the UFO Paranormal Radio 2027 01:51:25.079 --> 01:51:28.079 Network and one on five point three FM. We're on Facebook, 2028 01:51:28.119 --> 01:51:31.560 We're on Roku, We're on Ramble, and we're on YouTube. 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