Jakson Episode 66: Cutting Through the Noise of Diet Culture with Krysta Huber täydellinen litterointi

in operating an online nutrition can't talk about it and you be no business and there will be So fast forward to five plus years of owning my nutrition brand called The Fitness Fix, hosting a podcast that was previously called The Fix that was very much focused on fitness and nutrition. 00:03:21.318 --> 00:03:43.479 In twenty twenty five and now more specifically into twenty twenty six, I evolved and added a second business, a marketing agency called The Spread, and I've rebranded my podcast to just make it a little bit more lifestyle focused that it does hit on the ideas of what can we focus, mindset, fitness, nutrition, all of those things, but also getting into your identity. 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:51.000 And then from the business communicate those things online interact with our audiences? 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:57.718 And that show is called No Such encompasses everything I do black and white. 00:03:57.718 --> 00:04:03.400 I don't think the story that I been any sort of black or white. 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:05.038 It's been a whole lot of gray. 00:04:05.038 --> 00:04:17.800 And I wanted to really rebrand that conversation in that space to be able to show people that that is okay, that you don't have to put yourself in a box, because I most certainly do not live my life in any predefined box. 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:20.319 You are well spoken. 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:21.920 I will say that. 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:23.360 Thank you. 00:04:23.360 --> 00:05:01.800 Um, so something I always say is information is free So I know for the, definitely see a lot of people, you know, lot of people getting frustrated like figure it out and I just whatever fill in the blank What would you say are the two most common solutions, people like Self-teach and what are the biggest problems with those solutions? 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:02.720 Great question. 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:05.199 I expected some good mic isms. 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:28.160 Let's call them right out of the Yeah, I think that you do a people those like little nuggets statements to help them We can have fun with this, Like even if you're frustrated case, losing body fat, building better digest the information. 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:42.040 And I've always said that to I know that when you came on my show and you've done presentations multiple times for my clients inside of the fitness program, that's always the feedback that I get from people is like, oh yeah, Mike like gave me this really good analogy, and now it makes a lot more sense to me. 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:46.120 And I love just kind of the way one hundred percent correct. 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:49.399 Like, I don't even think there would be a nutrition coaching industry. 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:57.920 If it wasn't for the fact that people are amazing at basically like convincing themselves that they're making all of these changes, right? 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:06.720 Like, I think like this might be said this, like that, like oh, I have all this info, right? 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:08.319 But they're not doing anything Right? 00:06:08.319 --> 00:06:12.480 And you're like convincing help you make a change. 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:33.680 And really that is the knuckling it and going on your versus getting that support of a with the implementation, but can And I would say that's actually not recognize is they want to only works inside of a vacuum. 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:44.000 And given that it only works inside of the vacuum, what is going to happen in my case, with the clients that I support, we're talking to a lot of women who are very ambitious in their careers. 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:48.439 They may also be moms, and they're managing both a household and things professionally. 00:06:48.439 --> 00:07:26.480 Or maybe they're at a point in work hard, play hard, and they only way to get the end result is to have to give up some of put everybody else's needs they do attempt a certain and fitness, they don't know because they think they're being that that selfishness is a So I'd say like thematically, regardless of the method that Now when it comes to more of like, what else are people doing? 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:29.319 That's kind of like that misconception that they're researching. 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:41.720 I honestly think we're still nutrition advice that does date Like there are still people who come to me that are like, yeah, I'm just trying to cut carbs or it's some like flavor of that, right? 00:07:41.720 --> 00:07:59.759 And we look at it and we're Like, have you been on Instagram Because I promise that there's to show you that you should not But interestingly, it's all like the same flavor, whether it's keto, whether it's intermittent fasting, like, and there's a time and place for all of these things. 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:36.038 By the way, I'm not saying answer, but there's a strategy And so ultimately, what I think recognize is the fact that not work, but you have to figure And so ultimately, it's that makes them convince themselves them, that they they don't have thing, that other people just them, that other people's lives Right? 00:08:36.038 --> 00:08:54.918 It's all of these stories that our heads that I almost don't for so many years, like I've focus in particular for the last just interacting with women in like twelve years. 00:08:54.918 --> 00:09:06.798 And I think the thing that going back to is the story that why something works better for going to translate for them. 00:09:06.798 --> 00:09:25.120 And when they're getting on a out like, okay, what's going to Krista and our assistant coach It's mostly talking them down built for themselves of like, And then a little bit of like calling people out on their bullshit. 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:42.158 Like I would say maybe we'll call this the third one, but I think that the thing that people try to teach themselves how to do is create these programs that are really time consuming for themselves, or they try

to create these programs and approaches that require them to change too many variables at once. 00:09:42.158 --> 00:09:43.278 And then what happens? 00:09:43.278 --> 00:09:56.360 A week goes by and those life And that story really too hard, but I'm just a special so there's just no freaking way make this happen. 00:09:56.360 --> 00:10:10.519 And I'm sure you guys see a lot comes to the pain management It's like, of course, like We want to get you out of that And I think nutrition is very attached to it. 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:27.158 It's usually in the form of your lack of self confidence, the way But it's like at some point we have to look at all of these inputs here and figure out why those approaches are not working for you, and then build one that actually will. 00:10:27.158 --> 00:10:31.519 And I just don't think as human that by ourselves. 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:39.960 Like we can think that, oh, I can come up with all these tools because I have access to so much information, like more information than we ever have had before. 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:44.678 And I wish I could remember who to a podcast recently. 00:10:44.678 --> 00:10:56.080 It was somebody who was on Chris Wisdom, and he was making the information rich and information doesn't make sense, right? 00:10:56.080 --> 00:11:06.840 Because obviously we live in an information rich world, like in the next three seconds, we could go into ChatGPT, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, Google, whatever and find so much information. 00:11:06.840 --> 00:11:10.720 But at the same time, the like dating apps. 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:19.158 And he said, we also live in a because people only choose to information that they want to. 00:11:19.158 --> 00:11:39.158 So when you're viewing it's like you're only getting wanted to share with you that We have to remember that the with what information is getting When you Google dieting advice, there's a reason it's funny that certain things pop up first, right? 00:11:39.158 --> 00:11:54.158 So we convince ourselves that we But I do believe the reality is that we actually have access to so little, unless we have people like the three of us, to help you discern that information and help you figure out where to start and actually do your own research. 00:11:56.158 --> 00:11:57.200 Yeah. 00:11:57.200 --> 00:12:02.918 The, the really cool thing I like about what you were saying is the difference in perspective. 00:12:02.918 --> 00:12:15.918 So like someone could be telling be stuck in their own heads and So like an example that I always told not to bend forward, ever, your spine will explode. 00:12:15.918 --> 00:12:19.080 And she lived that way for two And I was like, so scary. 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:19.278 Yeah. 00:12:19.278 --> 00:12:23.000 I was like, we're going to Like touch your toes. 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:26.038 She was like, oh, and it was And she's doing great. 00:12:26.038 --> 00:12:35.000 But like she told herself that story because she got bad advice and

that just like layered on top of it for so long, um, that it turned into this self-limiting belief. 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:42.558 And there's definitely a push and pull on, you know, doing it gently and in a way that doesn't like insult them like, no, you're stupid. 00:12:42.558 --> 00:12:48.678 But at the same time, if they're mindset, what got you there? 00:12:48.678 --> 00:12:49.600 Got you stuck? 00:12:49.600 --> 00:12:50.240 You know what I mean? 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:50.639 Totally. 00:12:50.639 --> 00:13:05.840 So if you're going to stay stuck in that, if you're going to stay stuck in that world, then if you're, you know, you're in that mindset, you're kind of, you're looking for, you're looking for a reason, an excuse not to, and you're gonna find one eventually. 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:08.918 It's like, oh, I really should go to the gym, but it's far away. 00:13:08.918 --> 00:13:12.960 But there's weather outside, but But whatever. 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:18.480 You're going to find a reason that matches that. 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:22.080 But if your mindset's the flip only going to find reasons. 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:22.918 I got twenty minutes. 00:13:22.918 --> 00:13:24.000 Let me go take a walk. 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:26.600 I'll eat the strawberry over You know what I mean? 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:27.000 Yeah. 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:31.840 You'll be able to make those little micro wins and then it just snowballs into a whole different person. 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:32.440 Totally. 00:13:32.440 --> 00:13:51.759 And I also think what's perspective shifts is like, we an ever evolving skill set, that baddest person in the world who And something like, if there's is change, right? 00:13:51.759 --> 00:14:00.720 And so something in your life is going to happen even on a daily basis that is going to test you in your ability to find those reframes. 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:10.278 And what I've really seen over coaching is getting clients to transitions are to be expected. 00:14:10.278 --> 00:14:17.038 That is where we do want to recognize that we also really do have to be malleable with these things. 00:14:17.038 --> 00:14:25.360 Because what you were saying, what got you in the place that Like, that can't be the same out of it. 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:35.798 I personally have also learned the hard way myself, both in my own fitness and nutrition journey and even in business and creating content is what as well is like. 00:14:35.798 --> 00:14:43.879 It's not just that like those out of it, but a lot of times work for you before. 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:52.440 At some point when they don't work for you anymore, you have to get out of your own way to not deviate back to them as the default. 00:14:52.440 --> 00:15:02.720 Because, you know, I know for me, when I first like I coach around the principles of macronutrients, but when I first started nutrition coaching, I thought that should be the only focus. 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:15.639 And the reason

for that was because I had had this experience where I'd never tracked food in my life, and because I was looking for more of that flexibility the minute I learned and was taught macros from a coach, it did change my life. 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:31.038 However, I didn't put emphasis management, all these other The way that I was training, how much load I was putting on my body, the way that I was a twenty three year old burning myself into the ground because I could. 00:15:31.038 --> 00:15:49.120 Putting that in quotes for those having a massive life event by the idea of tracking my food like the bane of my existence Every time I couldn't track it, I'd be like, oh, you're a failure. 00:15:49.120 --> 00:16:00.158 So like, this is just never Instead of trying to find are always multiple solutions Yeah, yeah. 00:16:00.158 --> 00:16:04.519 Even for me, like so for, for what worked for me. 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:05.639 And I always talk to people. 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:12.000 I'm like, it doesn't work for And like, at the end of the day, it's funny because there's a bunch of signs along my wife would explode. 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:23.480 Yeah, there's a bunch of signs I was like, at the end of the I stopped eating one extra meal Like, like right at the end of another five hundred calories. 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:26.158 That's how I lost a bunch of Made me feel good. 00:16:26.158 --> 00:16:26.918 To be honest. 00:16:26.918 --> 00:16:38.200 it helps from like a discipline It might sound weird, but it It does help me be like, hey, oh, I got stuck somewhere where I'll be fine for a couple days. 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:49.960 And so like, that's, I'm a big So it's like, it's even like you You always want to have your But like, let's say I want to go for a run and I'm on an empty stomach. 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:54.918 Well, I can still run three but I won't pass out from it. 00:16:54.918 --> 00:16:57.678 Um, yeah, sorry. 00:16:57.678 --> 00:17:03.320 Real quick, there's a guy on Instagram who I just like he's, I guess he's kind of a nutrition coach. 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:14.200 I don't know, he's a nurse, but and he just always talks about things that I'm always like, I thinking it like that. 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:18.960 But that's exactly what I do not a bad thing to be hungry. 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:21.680 Like you're allowed to be That's totally fine. 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:26.400 Um, another thing that he also says, have you heard the term man kibble? 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:27.318 Krista. 00:17:27.318 --> 00:17:30.920 Um, I have seen Shane post about Yeah. 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:34.798 Like the fact that like, yeah, he's like, no, no, this is boy dinner. 00:17:34.798 --> 00:17:38.400 Wasn't it on like some kind of They labeled it man. 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:42.838 Kibble maybe, but like, I eat So I was offended by that. 00:17:42.838 --> 00:17:43.598 Yeah. 00:17:43.598 --> 00:17:44.640 So like. 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:49.598 The whole like the whole like, is like for me. 00:17:49.598 --> 00:17:54.278 If I don't buy crappy food, I'm when I'm in the house. 00:17:54.278 --> 00:17:58.480 So. Monday through Friday for pretty healthy, like I can. 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:03.838 And I can buy like low calorie it and, you know, like protein. 00:18:03.838 --> 00:18:10.000 First and then kind of backfill Um, all of those types of things I don't give myself a choice. 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:10.680 Same kind of thing. 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:13.759 Like I won't bring snacks to I'll eat them. 00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:36.838 But when I get home, I'm hungry macro nutrient dinner instead of And then on the weekend, I don't but like I can go to Pete and So that's the the give and take is I'd rather be quote unquote disciplined for, you know, during the week and then be able to enjoy the weekends as an example. 00:18:36.838 --> 00:18:55.200 I've also heard the flip of easier to be one hundred percent So if you're, you know, oh, today, but I can eat it tomorrow Then you're always fighting with yourself versus like, I don't eat cake. 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:59.960 It's like a lot easier, but a Sure. 00:18:59.960 --> 00:19:02.400 Curious on your thoughts on Yeah. 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:14.480 I mean, I will say I'd be curious on your guys's thoughts on my comment that I'm about to make is just like, it gets to be as simple as you want it to be, right? 00:19:14.480 --> 00:19:27.160 And like, like even what you a nurse and what he was posting stated was he makes these really you're like, damn, duh. 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:28.118 Like, that's what I do. 00:19:28.118 --> 00:19:37.720 And even what, like you were just saying, Michael, about the fact that like, your approach to intermittent fasting wasn't actually anything that was like really groundbreaking. 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:42.960 If you really think about it, You weren't like, this is my here's why I do it. 00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:48.798 And cell autophagy, which, by the way, I will also chime in and say, I think this is a separate conversation. 00:19:48.798 --> 00:19:59.558 But just on the note of intermittent fasting, I've also realized over the last couple of years, I've changed my mind about a lot of approaches to nutrition that I used to like shit on and be like, nope, that doesn't work. 00:19:59.558 --> 00:20:14.519 But that does come back to the principle of what I was saying before we got into all of this, that when other things in your life get thrown your way and you're looking at your health from lots of different perspectives, there may be a time and a place that intermittent fasting makes sense for you. 00:20:14.519 --> 00:20:38.480 I happen to like just two days two hour fast If twenty now saying that, she'd be like, And I have a very specific reason for why I did it, because I am more interested in learning and understanding and experimenting with what can that do for cell turnover and things that like for the general population who may be listening to

this? 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:43.759 What I'm going to say is you may even care about. 00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:54.920 And that's because you need to I can have a conversation with about whether I should consider religiously do blood work. 00:20:54.920 --> 00:20:56.558 I'm looking at different things. 00:20:56.558 --> 00:21:12.118 I'm wearing the CGM, I'm doing need to get into until this tried a lot of other things to more information to be able to with this a little bit. 00:21:12.118 --> 00:21:18.558 And not only do I have more information, I have much more manageable expectations about the outcomes. 00:21:18.558 --> 00:21:23.400 I did not do a twenty two hour fast to be like, let me see what's going to happen to the scale tomorrow. 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:27.000 I literally did it because I'm inflammation in my body. 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:38.640 Like that is coming from what I would say is a lot more mature place and why I'm making the statement that if you can't do the basics, you have not earned the right to even consider what I'm describing. 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:45.759 But at the same time, I'm also saying before Mike, you were really agree with I f right now. 00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:53.078 I agree with her too, because I have certain instances like I'm going to tell clients, you can't do that at a certain phase in your cycle. 00:21:53.078 --> 00:21:56.598 You can't do that if you're not sleep per night. 00:21:56.598 --> 00:22:00.759 You can't do that if you're workout class five days a week. 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:01.920 I don't do that stuff. 00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:07.200 So there's all these variables before we make those decisions. 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:17.440 And you know, the reason why I'm response to that is because, you really comes down to everything of you just said. 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:18.720 People don't want to hear it. 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:29.759 Like they don't want to hear It can be that simple because again, they want to be able to feed into this narrative that justifies why they choose a certain path. 00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:36.838 And I think sometimes it's into like, I'm really into that kind of stuff. 00:22:36.838 --> 00:22:38.440 It's mostly a projection. 00:22:38.440 --> 00:22:45.440 So the person who's saying that they'd prefer to choose the route of, I'm going to go extreme and just not eat the cake. 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:50.038 What I can respect is they've work for them, right? 00:22:50.038 --> 00:22:55.680 And then there's the person on the other side who's like, well, I don't mind fighting with myself because I don't see it that way. 00:22:55.680 --> 00:23:00.000 They see it as like, this is This is giving me flexibility. 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:01.558 Neither one of them is wrong. 00:23:01.558 --> 00:23:14.558 But what is wrong, I believe, is onto other people, it has And the projection is that your with how you feel inside. 00:23:14.558 --> 00:23:31.838 And that's where it can get kind that like, even us giving advice super meta about it, if that any of us are saying, I that says more about you than it Michaels on this call, right? 00:23:31.838 --> 00:23:39.118 Like it has everything to do And I think that's part of the reason why people just don't want to hear these sorts of things. 00:23:39.118 --> 00:23:43.118 But I'd be curious, in your you think about that. 00:23:43.118 --> 00:23:54.160 I can tell you, me, bruv, talked If you have someone take a look oh, you know, you're myofascial Like, I'm already losing you, Yeah. 00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:56.118 It's like, I have no idea what Exactly. 00:23:56.118 --> 00:24:03.680 If you have someone talking to of like a marketing strategy to only ones that can help you. 00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:11.519 And I know Bruno and the chiro range of people, but it's like oh, your rib is out of place. 00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:13.880 So I gotta put it back in place. 00:24:13.880 --> 00:24:18.440 As a chiropractor, it's prob That's not really what's happening, but that's not what's happening. 00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:18.720 Right. 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:28.598 There's a lot of fear behind So it's like for us when it comes to communicating, it's we make it as simple because to be honest, sometimes it really is very simple. 00:24:28.598 --> 00:24:33.680 It's, hey, it can be here, the and you'll do them. 00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:43.960 That is very simple for people, but it's also, I feel like when you can make it as simple as possible, it, it's kind of motivating for your client, right? 00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:48.640 It goes, oh, they actually broke this down in a way that it feels achievable. 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:58.640 Um, so that's, yeah, like, it's it be like in general fitness comes to general injuries, not this a couple episodes ago. 00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:08.720 I was like, I honestly don't people to do matters as much as And actually, um. 00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:11.519 man lost the word. 00:25:12.920 --> 00:25:14.440 That's okay. 00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:15.358 Sorry. 00:25:15.358 --> 00:25:16.558 Hold people accountable. 00:25:16.558 --> 00:25:17.240 Yeah. 00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:19.838 Like because like, because it's. 00:25:19.838 --> 00:25:20.640 Yeah. 00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:22.400 The specific interventions that Yes. 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:23.240 We did an eval. 00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:24.759 We saw some deficiencies. 00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:25.880 We're working on it. 00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:36.400 But the biggest part is you And that's what that like kind if you're not actually sticking through and honestly, life to be made. 00:25:36.400 --> 00:25:39.838 Um, but if you don't do it, like, yeah, it's not going to work. 00:25:39.838 --> 00:25:40.078 Yeah. 00:25:40.078 --> 00:25:52.920 There's literally nothing that And this still happens on a I had this conversation with a and we've been working together She sent me a real like twenty captured this point. 00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:53.720 Exactly. 00:25:53.720 --> 00:25:57.200

But it's like the accountability It's so true. 00:25:57.200 --> 00:26:12.798 And the thing that gets me like, when someone tries to turn this program just isn't working Truthfully, you are not working and it's harder for you to say that. 00:26:12.798 --> 00:26:17.118 And I don't say that from a this hardcore coach. 00:26:17.118 --> 00:26:32.960 I say it from a place of like, I want to also hold you accountable in holding the standard that you set for yourself in every other freaking area of your life, because somehow you are this badass at work and you love getting promoted and you really like making money. 00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:38.400 So don't tell me that you don't have a standard for yourself of a certain level of excellence over there. 00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:47.160 Because I promise you that if standard in this other area of feel so much better. 00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:50.358 So it's not even coming from this place of like, I'm going to be tough. 00:26:50.358 --> 00:26:51.558 Like David Goggins. 00:26:51.558 --> 00:27:00.680 It's more just about like the consistency of all of it because everything in your life is so connected and none of these things are happening in a silo, right? 00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:17.118 And it's like, if we can that's happening over here is something else that's happening Things would feel even simpler But I'll have clients that say to me like, you know, every time I feel like I'm starting to make progress. 00:27:17.118 --> 00:27:17.960 Classic line. 00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:23.358 And I'm sure the two of you get Something happens and it sets me And there's this real. 00:27:23.358 --> 00:27:26.798 That was a trend a little while still doing it. 00:27:26.798 --> 00:27:33.798 And it's like every time I start then it's just this repeat video hit with a med ball. 00:27:33.798 --> 00:27:46.400 I'll send it to you guys if you And every time the med ball busy, like every excuse that you But I'm calling them excuses because they are guaranteed to happen. 00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:49.880 So the real question is, is like, yes, we can all laugh at that real. 00:27:49.880 --> 00:28:08.598 And from a marketing type of content does so well is with their pain, and so it it's also the very thing that's And that's what's so hard about What's the thing that Gen Z It's not the snap. 00:28:08.598 --> 00:28:09.920 It's like this now or whatever. 00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:11.838 It's like, I think it's now. 00:28:11.838 --> 00:28:13.640 I forget what it's called. 00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:14.358 Yeah, it's. 00:28:14.358 --> 00:28:23.640 But you hit the nail on the And Mikey, to your point before, not necessarily easy. 00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:28.358 So a lot of the times when I comes up a lot. 00:28:28.358 --> 00:28:40.880 And when I have this in front of that oh shit moment where I'm like, okay, like you your kids are going to get sick. 00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:50.278 You are going to have a flare Even like something bad's going We're going to ride this

wave When stuff sucks, what happens? 00:28:50.278 --> 00:28:56.798 And it's like bare minimum, we have to do X, Y, and Z. And if that's the case, we're going to keep this team rolling a lot faster. 00:28:56.798 --> 00:29:03.278 And you're going to know, and I'm going to remind you that that just because you hit that dip does not mean we're back at square one. 00:29:03.278 --> 00:29:11.838 It just means we're a bump in I mean, I feel like I say this every, every episode now, but like I literally called the company now because it's like a navigation system. 00:29:11.838 --> 00:29:45.038 You make a wrong turn off the Like I'm showing you how to get That's as simple as I can make And people are like, huh, okay, So when it's the accountability staying on track from a like pain where it's like, you six pack, you don't squat once How do you help people appreciate the small wins in that lag of not seeing progress immediately? 00:29:45.038 --> 00:29:57.440 Yeah, really important and great And I think this is a big parallel with managing pain and with nutrition because also too, like, let's just use the pain example before talking about the nutrition piece. 00:29:57.440 --> 00:29:59.480 When you're in a lot of pain. 00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:05.160 You may come to people like the two of you, and you're so desperate to get out of that pain. 00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:19.880 And you've also been searching But on top of that, unlike maybe nutrition a little bit and fat loss, depending on like how much it's on your mind, you may be in so much pain that like, you can't do things throughout your day that it's like really difficult. 00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:24.118 Like we're talking like even to see one of you guys, right? 00:30:24.118 --> 00:30:37.960 So when we think about that fact, I do think it's really important to get ahead of the anticipation of like, there's going to be bumps in the road, but also to and, you know, my friend Sam, Mike, she believes the same thing that you do about pain. 00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:40.838 And she was like kind of the first person to introduce me to this concept. 00:30:40.838 --> 00:30:42.798 It's like pain isn't bad. 00:30:42.798 --> 00:30:46.759 It's just a signal that it's we Right? 00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:49.558 And when she kind of framed it up for me that way, I was like, oh, wow. 00:30:49.558 --> 00:30:58.118 I have like a totally different relationship to this now because it even has helped me, like when I have a client that I'm coaching, especially in a group fitness setting. 00:30:58.118 --> 00:31:01.480 You know, there's always somebody that's like, I have this ailment here and this one there. 00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:25.118 Sometimes they like don't want it's going to like interfere And I'm like, no, no, that's Like, that's why I'm here Like, let's just like modify justifications for why you feel But I also find that so many of those people have this old story or maybe had gotten bad guidance that goes along the lines of, oh, I

hurt my shoulder, so we're just not going to do anything pressing overhead. 00:31:25.118 --> 00:31:29.278 And it's like, actually, there's a couple better questions that I can ask you before we make that decision. 00:31:29.278 --> 00:31:30.160 Right. 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:48.720 So I say all that to say, like that, I actually think in some like initial buy in that you can with your patients if they've like, I gotta figure this out. 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:56.038 I think that when it comes to nutrition, that is really variable because there are a lot of people's. 00:31:56.038 --> 00:31:56.920 Like there are people's. 00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:08.078 The same way people have I think that because we have to that the threshold that someone to make a change. 00:32:08.078 --> 00:32:09.920 It looks one way on paper. 00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:15.118 But then when it comes down to me explaining to them, we'll hear some of the considerations to make. 00:32:15.118 --> 00:32:20.838 They can talk themselves out of it a little bit faster because they can truthfully hide behind their clothes. 00:32:20.838 --> 00:32:46.960 They can have the comfort of, that they just always go back to well, I still do have to eat Now, if you're again, tons and tons of pain, that's where it would be like, well, of course, I'm going to go continue to see Mike and, and go to him for sessions and hopefully commit to you actually doing your exercises and your stuff on your own at home, because we all know that's the difference maker here. 00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:53.880 And that's really what gets back to your question of like, well, how do we help people see these small wins and see these bigger pictures. 00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:57.400 A lot of it does come down to the structure of the way we coach. 00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:01.160 Doing check ins with clients every single week or every other week. 00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:26.680 And in those check ins, consistently in the last like I would like go back and a coach was when we do check ins write down the things that went they can reframe before I even And there's so much neuroscience Like, I've even done this myself with a self-development coach. 00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:34.160 I was in a place in business having a second business and capacity for things. 00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:47.240 I was having a very hard time degree to which I was working, parts of my life that I would like, this is so cool because I to what end, right? 00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:53.118 And so I would have trouble And then I'd also start comparing myself to other people. 00:33:53.118 --> 00:34:06.598 And the way my coach helped me do an exercise where every at least one compliment that that I was doing well. 00:34:06.598 --> 00:34:10.239 And the more I did it, now I don't even need to write them down. 00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:14.239 Could we call it like clocking I see them everywhere. 00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:22.360 Like you guys gave me three in And I like, listen for them in a for

them before. 00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:26.679 And it's made me feel so much the byproduct is? 00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:32.719 I actually stick to the shit that I know that if I keep doing it, it's going to continue to get me the end result that I desire. 00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:37.079 The clients I want to work with, the business that I want to have, the brand that I want to represent. 00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:40.760 So then it becomes this very positive, self-fulfilling prophecy. 00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:54.960 If we bring that back to thing has to go down because to like the original, you know, you wish you kind of knew as clinician versus today? 00:34:54.960 --> 00:35:20.920 I would say something else that I wish I had focused on earlier, because I see the power of it now is we love data and like, we track a lot of it, like sleep digestion, you know, stress, like all those things, water intake, etc.. And I used to always frame it up to clients as the benefit of tracking that data was simply for the sake of being able to tell the story of why did the scale move or not move in the direction you wanted it to. 00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:55.840 And I think that was only half realize is like all that data, them kind of zoom out and think really matters more is capture, like when they made wins because they are who's already gotten the result It's like that future version of but also kept it off, who has their pain and gets back to. 00:35:55.840 --> 00:36:06.679 I know you work with a lot of Like can go play eighteen holes and being like, damn, I had a this golf course, but now I'm seventy two hours. 00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:21.840 Like, we don't want to be that The same way we don't want to be So really, it's looking at how can we again, reframe this, a lot of that identity work to be able to say to ourselves, how is this decision that I'm making right now? 00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:33.360 Even if it doesn't feel that person and the future version of and has all of these things that Yeah, I think it's great. 00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:37.880 I think I said before, you can't Right? 00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:43.800 And, and so even on, on our side, it just shows them like, hey, this is how far you've come. 00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:45.239 And I love the weekly. 00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:48.159 I do the same thing like the week, even for myself on the weekly. 00:36:48.159 --> 00:36:50.760 Like, what did you do well this What can you prove? 00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:51.320 Whatever. 00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:54.920 Like you're so smart and funny There you go. 00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:55.679 Three wins. 00:36:56.920 --> 00:37:05.239 Um, you guys are such great but I think the weekly stuff's because they do lose sight. 00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:05.400 Like. 00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:09.079 Like they lose sight of what Yeah. 00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:12.518 And even like I'm, I'm training one of our buddies right now for running. 00:37:12.518 --> 00:37:17.239 And it's, it's, I mean, it's because it's a friend of mine. 00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:21.239 So it's really like getting it's a weekly thing. 00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:24.239 Like, it's almost to the point going to let me down. 00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:32.239 Like there's a percent like And he's like, oh, I just want to make sure it's one hundred percent, I don't want to miss a single workout. 00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:32.880 He cracks me up. 00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:36.039 I love that as your friend because I think sometimes that can backfire. 00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:47.199 I'm not always, uh, very keen to regard because sometimes they So that's also a testament to Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. 00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:48.639 Bruno Heitz for me. 00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:48.960 But. 00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:49.760 Oh, yeah. 00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:51.400 Oh. Big time. 00:37:51.400 --> 00:38:00.239 Um, I just, I, I want to normalize verbally abusing your running coach because Mikey was my running coach through the marathon and. 00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:05.280 Oh, this is how you got into all Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:13.480 So Mikey would text me, be like, And then we just like attack I'd go for my run. 00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:14.518 So it worked. 00:38:14.518 --> 00:38:19.679 Um, I won't condone it for it could be could be effective. 00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:20.840 Um, listen to your client. 00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:22.119 Know your client, right? 00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:23.159 One hundred percent. 00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:32.639 The, the thing like going back to like those small wins and stuff, I see people get stuck so often, even when they're making progress. 00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:36.960 Like if a client comes in like, oh, my back's kind of achy today. 00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:44.440 I, I went for a three mile run on a ten mile hike the day workouts in a row. 00:38:44.440 --> 00:39:05.039 Like, do you remember what They're like, yeah, I couldn't I'm like, right, like you have it's very hard to continuously Which is why instead of, I think a video game checkpoints, right? 00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:09.920 So it's like the ultimate goal is I want to run a five K, but before that we have to get out of pain. 00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:14.679 After that, we have to, you a hundred pounds, ten times. 00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:22.880 Then we have to be able to do So it's you're seeing everything broken down into smaller steps, which makes it more digestible and attainable. 00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:35.760 So you can it's, it's not a you know, session one, you know Like, you know, it's going to And that's a whole other frame No, for sure. 00:39:35.760 --> 00:40:11.079 But I also think you raised both good point of like, the layer to person who's enlisting the coach They are already a motivated individual and often a very highly ambitious person that they even care enough to invest time, money, resources into reaching out to any of us that it's important for us to also remember that we have even more of a responsibility to

do the things that we are saying about how we support our clients, that I'd argue some of what we're talking about, like, yes, I've referenced that. 00:40:11.079 --> 00:40:32.599 I believe in macronutrients, but confidently say like fifteen really, it's like the the person can work through a And there is a tactful and effective way to be able to walk somebody through what we're talking about. 00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:40.518 That does not make you a have them in your office, but is be able to. 00:40:40.518 --> 00:40:44.079 Shift this goalpost because they're like doing that part themselves, right? 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:44.320 Like. 00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:49.360 It's almost like the Achilles your clients usually. 00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:54.679 Emily emulate you to some So like they're also coming to us because we do the same things. 00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:59.119 And that is really, it's, it's, we have to acknowledge like that's hard. 00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:16.119 Like that is the harder part of we do have a very, what I would responsibility to help them be you are motivated in a positive shifting the goalpost. 00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:30.159 But let's also bring it back to And I think that just really comes down to something that we've each kind of touched on a little bit, but it's like even with you guys joking about your coaching style, it's like all about managing expectations, right? 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:42.440 And I think I would say that for the managing of the expectations start to see traction, you don't set you back. 00:41:42.440 --> 00:42:12.800 Going on a vacation maybe didn't because you're over here being groove and nothing could stop me Or maybe you're judging yourself earlier, where you're like, I'm Like, why can I not get my shit Like, that is a really, really coaching process that sometimes if I'm able to capture talk about what I do. 00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:29.840 Unless I use my podcast or I have opportunities like this, because a lot of what we're saying, it's deep enough and also nuanced enough that the person who's available to hear it needs like really listen to you for more than a sixty second clip, right? 00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:40.800 But people also don't want to Like we were saying at the very they're really looking for is If I do this, this, this, and going to get this outcome. 00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:54.480 And that's where I think this whole managing expectations of like high achieving individuals is so crucial because we know that they are likely going to set pretty lofty goals for themselves, right? 00:42:54.480 --> 00:43:03.199 And then so much so that they'll in their way and be like, no, for me by now. 00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:16.199 And a lot of times that may look themselves like, well, I did I'll need to go back to the data did this, this, and this because weeks in a row. 00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:22.119 And also, I only see your food twice in the last two weeks. 00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:39.679 So it's like, sorry, sister, but information that we didn't get that you're doing all the you to make sure that you are to ask you to do all the things, level set a little bit here? 00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:46.280 A great example of this is why I between June and September. 00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:48.079 It's, it's fucking dumb. 00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:57.079 Like, why would you do that to It is the worst time of year to Like if anybody hears this and you decide that you want to lose a little bit of weight before summer. 00:43:57.079 --> 00:44:07.320 Text me yesterday like this is we're in the time frame of like, when it's the best time to go through a quick calorie deficit because your schedule is in a little bit better of a spot to do so. 00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:23.000 But it's like the more I work I work with them, then they That is the reason why what we've been calling simple does actually get easier because then they start to understand that's like, oh, I do have control over this. 00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:37.480 Oh, I can design my life in a Oh, I can make these decisions feel both easy and simple swimming with the current rather One hundred percent. 00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:45.760 I think you hit the nail on the starts off as not a chore, but has to be intentional. 00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:51.280 And then over time, you build the muscle, you build the habits, and then it becomes an automatic behavior. 00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:58.239 And I've used the ism like it's, fish, not give a man a fish. 00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:02.960 Because I have so many clients want to get out of pain. 00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:08.320 It's like, okay, great, we can But what happens? 00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:12.239 The you're never going to be if you're an active individual. 00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:17.719 You're you're going to run into possibly even other injuries. 00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:22.280 If you don't know how to not in a long term solution. 00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:29.840 Long term solution doesn't mean Long term solution means you are demands on your life. 00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:42.159 So if you hit that a back spasm while, it's like, I don't need I know what to do here and I can Usually it's a month thing too, That's a huge win. 00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:45.679 And you don't have to go spend You have the skills internally. 00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:48.679 No one can take that away from you and you can do it anytime you want. 00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:51.518 So that is that's my soapbox. 00:45:51.518 --> 00:45:55.199 I was, I was like, what was I But I'm glad I came back. 00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:55.639 Love it. 00:45:55.639 --> 00:46:01.079 Because that's got, um, that stuff is so important between like what? 00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:08.400 Between like, um, like what I do usually not the first stop. 00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:10.039 I'm often the last stop. 00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:10.199 Yeah. 00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:35.480 Because the goal is not to like, And then the next time you need and get stuck in this

repetitive really, really handle this for really control all the next ten, twenty, thirty years, You call me to say happy That's it. 00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:36.599 You know what I mean? 00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:41.480 There's no other reason if you So true. 00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:57.039 I think like, there's no better practitioner than the client who Like I have clients that I've had for four plus years and in the last like six months, I've seen a lot of them tell me like, okay, I'm ready to do this by myself. 00:46:57.039 --> 00:47:19.880 And I'm so happy for them for Like that's what I ultimately And half the time they're staying for the four plus year mark because like, I've gone through these really cool periods where three years ago, I had like five brides and then a year goes by, we do everything for their wedding, another year passes, they get pregnant, they have the baby, then they come back to me and it's like, we get to do all these cool life transitions. 00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:39.119 Or it's a client that I used to Charlotte that I haven't spoken And maybe she just like had a Uh, you know, gone through a and she's like, oh, like I And like, I know that she can help me get to where I want to go. 00:47:39.119 --> 00:48:29.360 Now is the time that I'm going And they really do stay like I I find it funny when people are client retention because I'm about your approach to the way slice of health here that than you're marketing, like it really think about the end result that being able to explain it in a takes a little bit more time for Like it's okay because it's long run that you're not going back to me, but not need to come because those clients are the Like they're the ones who are fitness days in North Carolina. 00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:40.320 They worked with me a little bit themselves to come back and up being like, I just can't And like, I know exactly what know I need your help. 00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:50.800 I don't really know why I need I just know I need it sort of Um, so yeah, I'd even be curious, like from a running coach perspective though, I know that people like get really into running. 00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:55.679 Can't say this is me, but I'll Lake five and that's it. 00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:58.880 They get into, they get into I'll see you there, Mike. 00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:01.239 And they like really get into Right. 00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:23.880 So I'd be curious, like once running bug with doing, running with your clients in particular, because they're like itching for Or do they really start to get and like some of the more like depends on the person, but you educate them. 00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:27.840 So for me, what you described You pretty much I got into it. 00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:32.599 You take a I've put it into my going straight into it. 00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:42.199 And I just went deep down into Um, and it all depends on how But yeah, running is definitely is for, for the person. 00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:50.800 And

actually, uh, the research the most time people get hurt is starting, starting up, running. 00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:51.280 Interesting. 00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:54.480 So that that's actually like the of people do. 00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:55.920 It's just, I enjoy running. 00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:58.400 I'm just going to keep running I'm going to keep doing it. 00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:03.440 That's where the injury usually You talk to him, hey, you don't time you run. 00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:04.719 You got hour long runs. 00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:15.518 Our our short, intense runs and That's truly it's a it's a big Don't forget about lifting in the same trap where it's miles this week. 00:50:15.518 --> 00:50:18.039 I don't know where am I going to Exactly. 00:50:18.039 --> 00:50:19.039 Yeah, exactly. 00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:19.800 So now. 00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:33.400 So yeah, it's it it depends on But yeah, you can see the people that go head over heels into it probably especially early on, they're going to be more likely to get hurt just because no one's holding them back essentially. 00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:33.840 Sure. 00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:34.880 Yeah, that makes sense. 00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:52.199 See, I can't relate in the sense get the runner's high and I've I, like, I maybe, maybe if I perspective of like, well, if I kind of understanding of like I'd change my mind. 00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:59.559 But like I have just, I was a And so it's not even an issue of anything like that. 00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:10.079 Like, I just, I've always loved in a pool tomorrow, even if it person that like the minute I shoulder feels weird. 00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:11.199 This doesn't feel right. 00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:18.679 Like I can't get into that like And then I get my signal, The Full circle podcast. 00:51:18.679 --> 00:51:35.840 I'm like, yeah, but I'm like, I the pain of like lifting, you Like I'm like, yeah, I'll go super heavy or I'll get on a bike and I'll be like, yes, like I can go on this air bike for the next forty five seconds and torture myself. 00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:38.760 And I realized I could do all those same things through running. 00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:55.400 Like I really, it's just like a about of having that story in Like I have this story of like, I'm not really a runner, so I've never pursued it, but I've also always kind of looked at it like, like I'm like, okay, like I have these other things that I like doing. 00:51:55.400 --> 00:52:02.480 And I actually, the gym that I very run heavy because we have what we do. 00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:12.199 And I totally agree with what have to talk to clients about they get to marathons and half I going to fit my lifts in? 00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:15.518 Like they recognize the also like, I have a job. 00:52:15.518 --> 00:52:19.920 Like I got to make some So it's a lot of variables. 00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:23.960 Yeah, I would even say too, dad about this. 00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:28.000 A lot of people,

it's like, I There is a technique to it. 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:28.400 Like, right? 00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:44.679 There's a specific way to gate book born to Run is back in two I read it and all that, I Like I was just like, I would like to enjoy my five miles that I do every year in Spring Lake, new Jersey. 00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:45.119 That's it. 00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:46.679 I'm not even asking for a lot. 00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:50.719 And that's literally the whole I'm like feeling sad about it. 00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:59.719 I'll be like, good for the first lot of people around in good But the whole time I'm just like, I'm wishing for this runner. 00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:02.639 Like I'm like, what is this runner's high these people experience? 00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:03.960 When will it come to me? 00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:05.280 It just hasn't come. 00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:05.518 Yeah. 00:53:05.518 --> 00:53:11.280 I don't know if there's a I wouldn't, I would definitely wouldn't say it comes with races. 00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:19.400 Um, the runner's high comes with run on your own for sixty chilling, you're going at party Yeah. 00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:38.280 But see, even even training, like, because I, I won't run the five miles like totally cold, but and by training, I mean like the month before, like probably in the next three weeks, I'll like start running here and there and like every, and I'm like, like I trained for a high rocks and also like, that was hard. 00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:41.559 I was doing it by myself, but with my brother. 00:53:41.559 --> 00:53:48.119 So that was a little tough because like, we didn't even get like the hang time of it the way we were going to at the actual event. 00:53:48.119 --> 00:54:01.480 Um, but yeah, like I remember was like shocked that he was because in my mind, I'm like, I runner despite soccer and all don't put you in that category. 00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:11.039 I think of you as more of a And I always thought to ask you like, did you ever get to the the runner's high experience because I'm jealous of people who do. 00:54:11.039 --> 00:54:20.039 My one friend has told me she She made the comment about the But the other thing she told me, which I'm like, I don't believe you. 00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:25.280 She said, I haven't run like solo, like on a party pace for long enough. 00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:30.320 And I'm like, girl, you're longer when I don't like it? 00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:31.239 Yeah. 00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:32.760 It's counterintuitive. 00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:33.159 Yeah. 00:54:33.159 --> 00:54:34.159 There is. 00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:36.518 There is a long run that I did. 00:54:36.518 --> 00:54:51.159 Uh, like I went out, it was And I probably had to do like an And I'm wrapping the lake by my house and no music, like birds are chirping. 00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:52.320 Sun's coming up. 00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:58.960 And I literally start singing to And I realized there was someone must think I'm

insane. 00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:04.679 But I was just having a great Me and Mikey always joke about this, but it's it is kind of true. 00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:07.719 It's like, assert your You know what I mean? 00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:12.920 It's like when you finish a long run on a Sunday, it's like I literally say this to my wife sometimes. 00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:25.920 I'm like, yeah, like we're Everyone we see at the grocery we're just better than everybody did that hard thing that, you but did it anyway. 00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:47.960 So there's like a psychology But like, uh, that's what I If it's something else, I don't Okay, so here's my next question When once that you've achieved that on that one run, maybe this is where my expectations need to be managed like we're talking about here. 00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:55.960 Do you can you then like the next time you go for a run, can you grab that feeling sooner or right away? 00:55:55.960 --> 00:55:59.199 Because in my mind, you do it on Yes. 00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:03.000 No, no, no, that doesn't work It's such like a rant. 00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:07.599 It like happens on such a random Why do you keep running? 00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:09.199 Like what motivates you? 00:56:09.199 --> 00:56:10.559 You're chasing that high. 00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:14.480 You never know when it's coming, Okay, okay. 00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:14.840 All right. 00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:15.360 That's fair. 00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:15.719 See? 00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:26.320 See, I told you, like my expectation around that, like, in my head, it would be like I unlocked that feeling the one time, and then it would make me like running because I would just like, reach that state of that. 00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:33.960 And I'm like, I just, I don't know, like, I, I do totally get that high off of like a even more cardio intensive type workout. 00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:39.440 Like again, the gym that I train at, we always have like a conditioning block built into our workout. 00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:47.000 And when I'm like feeling good like, every Saturday we have and it's brutal. 00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:54.199 Like it's so hard, but I do, I I walk out of the West Village people having brunch. 00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:58.199 Like, and I just did a hard Like, I totally feel that way. 00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:06.960 And we're really like socially So it's like, you did it with leaving the gym and you like, Like, I feel all of that. 00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:12.159 I just maybe just haven't put it in the context of running in particular. 00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:15.639 I'll put it to you this way, The next time you're home. 00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:17.518 Own rules collective run club. 00:57:17.518 --> 00:57:18.440 We're running. 00:57:18.440 --> 00:57:25.079 We're not we're not setting a We're running until you feel the get a boo there. 00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:26.119 I'm going to get Dan. 00:57:26.119 --> 00:57:32.199 All the guys who are the like You can't have a bad you can't have a bad time with them on a run. 00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:36.599 Okay, so I'm going to make Oh yeah. 00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:40.159 I literally am going to write in tell them what's going on. 00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:40.880 Do it. 00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:41.239 Yeah. 00:57:41.239 --> 00:57:56.239 And this is this is good timing because this will be my beginning of my prep for it'll, I'll want to be prepared for that run to like not be going into it so cold that now I'll start running in the next week, which I need to be doing anyways. 00:57:56.239 --> 00:57:57.039 There we go. 00:57:57.039 --> 00:57:59.119 I love it, I love it. 00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:00.000 This is awesome. 00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:01.599 All right. 00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:06.199 So what we got to get you to do is give your biggest and loudest. 00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:08.800 Go fix yourself to wrap us up. 00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:09.400 All right. 00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:12.480 Oh, that's how you guys end the Yeah, yeah. 00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:15.079 I gotta say, with your chest. 00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:15.960 Okay. 00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:16.480 All right. 00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:20.239 I feel I gotta put, like, both Yes. 00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:20.880 You do. 00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:21.880 Sounds really good. 00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:25.199 Well, before I do it, I just want to say thank you both for having me. 00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:26.518 This was so much fun. 00:58:26.518 --> 00:58:35.159 And I hope that for whoever was listening to this, like they really can hear the fact that while we did talk about nutrition, right? 00:58:35.159 --> 00:59:09.280 And we talked about pain and like all these approaches that do, I really feel like cool because they literally Like we were specific and yet because you can take everything down to a theme, an analogy or any area in your life where you And for as much as we were just better than other people. 00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:12.639 And if that is one of your motivators, like I'm here for it. 00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:17.920 Nothing wrong with asserting And doing whatever this is. 00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:28.599 I mean, I'm ashamed because I have a Gen Z employee and she literally, or maybe I sent her this, there's a video on Instagram of somebody doing like a speech at a wedding or something. 00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:41.440 And instead of like getting just all went like this, That kind of makes me And I was like, that's iconic. 00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:52.280 And I'm like, this is why we are But I'm happy I learned from you So you can go right in the own I will go text Paige after this this is called. 00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:56.920 And on that note, go fix There you go. 00:59:56.920 --> 00:59:58.119 That's a great one.