Jakson Learning From Loss: A Firefighter's Legacy & Lessons From a LODD täydellinen litterointi

00:04:18.480 Well, um, I shared this with the Patreon perks behind the scenes, and I'll I'll I won't share everything that we shared because it was it was it had some highs and lows, and and you'll want to you'll want to join to to get that. 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:24.160 But um I shared, I encourage everybody to go and look before we do our moment of silence. 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:29.680 Go and search Wendell North Carolina Fire Department or just Wendell Fire Department. 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:34.720 Um I know last week, and thank you, Doug, for mentioning our Durham firefighter here in North Carolina. 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:39.920 Uh Wendell took a picture of the young man's shoes, and they have striping. 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:40.800 Yep. 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:51.920 And um, I told folks, man, that that that gives you chill bumps because you know that uh when he ran out that morning, um, he thought he would pick up those shoes and you know put them back, and and he did not. 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:55.120 And so what a sacrifice uh that he made. 00:04:55.199 --> 00:05:00.480 And uh I hope they I hope they tear up the concrete right there and report it and press his shoes into it. 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:02.319 That's yeah, like they did with Boston. 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:04.800 That was probably one of the coolest memorials I've seen in front of the show. 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:06.319 Yeah, dude, that's wow. 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:07.040 It's awesome. 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:07.519 Great idea. 00:05:08.319 --> 00:05:11.360 I also saw another post about him today, earlier today. 00:05:11.519 --> 00:05:15.040 Um, it was a picture of him and his crew, and he had made a grab somewhere. 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:17.839 And that was as as a young fireman. 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:19.519 I mean, that's just that's unheard of. 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:21.279 That's just yeah. 00:05:21.519 --> 00:05:23.839 Uh chills, like you said, Brian, chills. 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:29.519 And you don't want it to be in vain, and that's part of the reason why Mikey's here, and I don't want to give a teaser, but we're gonna talk about that. 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:37.040 Mikey has a very close LODD, and that LODD is the purpose of tonight's episode. 00:05:37.120 --> 00:05:49.199 So tonight we talk a lot about leadership, we talk a lot about uh funny things and um you know the mental health side of things, and and tonight we're gonna really talk about purpose-driven training, right? 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:54.240 Let's let's let their death um have a purpose, if you will. 00:05:54.319 --> 00:05:55.680 I mean, I know it has a purpose, right? 00:05:55.759 --> 00:06:07.199 Like that they were performing a search, looking to make a grab or whatever, but like at the end, let's take their purpose and their tragedy and turn it into our purpose, and that's what we're gonna do. 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:12.639 So if nobody's got anything else, let's uh let's let's acknowledge this moment of silence real quick. 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:25.839 Amen. 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:27.199 Well said. 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:30.319 Well said. 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:36.000 All right, so let's get to the main event. 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:42.160 So, with that being said, Mikey, um let's do a little introduction of you. 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:50.639 I I told some folks, Mikey and I worked together several years ago um here um in the city of Jacksonville where we're both from. 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:56.879 Um I was a couple of years ahead of him, and uh we knew each other, and then he took a job up near DC. 00:06:57.120 --> 00:06:59.519 So you kind of give your story from there. 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:12.319 I'd love for you to talk about your business just a tad um and kind of the correlation that that plays into um the significant events and then tell us about the event itself. 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:13.680 Yeah, sure. 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:24.399 Um, first I want to make sure Adam will understand this that everybody understands that my views here are my own and they are not in any correlation related to the Native District of Washington Fire Department or the United States Navy. 00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:27.279 So, that being said, leave it in, take it out, whatever. 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:28.959 I said it, my boss can't be mad. 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:32.959 Um, so I started 19 years ago in the fire department. 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:36.319 My initial classes were given by Brian Kelly at Southwest. 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:37.680 It was it's insane. 00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:41.279 Um I spent some good times at Jacksonville, picked up a lot, learned a lot. 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:43.680 Um, it was a crazy time in the city then. 00:07:43.839 --> 00:07:49.680 It was the height of the GWAT, so kids were coming home, spending dumb money, making even dumber decisions, and it kept us busy. 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:56.959 Um so I was able to gain a lot of uh a lot of experience on the job in a short amount of time. 00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:03.279 Um I left there uh and took a job with the Anoroma County Fire Department where I worked just outside of Baltimore. 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:09.120 Uh, learned a whole new style of fighting fire from those guys because there's people from Pennsylvania, New Jersey. 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:17.040 I had a kid in my class from Ohio, and it was just a very good mixing pot of learning how to fight fire from a large portion of the East Coast. 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:20.639 Um so that was that's been was really good time. 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:29.680 Um the travel and working 120 hours a week between that and another job in DC teaching um was too much. 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:35.919 So I took a job with the United States Capitol Police doing um the hazardous materials response team. 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:51.200 We did a lot of uh anti-terrorism and response stuff for the Capitol, and then I left there and you know, hearing fire trucks

when that's what when you're a fireman and you can't go anywhere near those fire trucks, kind of does something to your brain. 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:57.440 So literally six months after I got that job, I was trying to juggle the numbers and see if I could go back to Anna Rundle. 00:08:57.600 --> 00:09:07.120 But um, you know, the Lord blessed me with the opportunity to come to Neighbor District Washington, put me 24 minutes from my house, put me back on a ladder truck, and I've been there ever since. 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:11.120 So let's go back. 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:12.320 So so let's go back. 00:09:12.399 --> 00:09:12.879 I muted. 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:28.080 Let me let me go back and say, let's talk about the correlation um specifically to the incident, what occurred, and your relationship to Bryce and how how that how that loops all together. 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:32.159 So that way when we talk about the event, they'll understand, they'll have the backstory, our listeners will. 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:32.720 Okay. 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:37.279 So um Bryce actually started out, my introduction to him was uh as a customer. 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:43.039 Uh he bought a shield, a couple shields and radio strap for me for his volunteer fire department. 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:58.159 Um that carried over for a couple years, and then I ended up getting the job at NDW probably six months or eight months after he did, they getting assigned to the same firehouse where I put two and two together that this dude that spends buying stuff for me is the same guy that I'm working with. 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:01.600 Because like, oh, that's a really nice radio strap, looks just like the one I made last year. 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:07.519 But um, he ended up being my roommate, and we just Brian knows how I am at the firehouse. 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:08.960 That's how I am still. 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:10.320 It was a blast. 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:12.720 Uh constantly scaring the shit out of him. 00:10:12.879 --> 00:10:18.080 Um, seeing the correlation between him and and his fiancé's relationship to mine and my wife's relationship. 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:19.360 It was almost one-to-one. 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:22.240 It was insane how much it lined up. 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:33.039 Um there's one time his wife had never flown on an airplane, and we're sitting out in the gazebo, and he's I taught him how to track how you could, you know, watch the airplane's flight go. 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:43.519 And he's literally watching from the time she left BWI all the way till she landed in Florida, and it the phone says um lost lost service or whatever, and he looks at me. 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:44.799 Did did she crash? 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:47.120 I was like, Well, either way, buddy, she's on the ground. 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:51.440 But probably like typical firehouse, right? 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:52.000 It's his wife. 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:54.399 I mean, he was he was worried right to death. 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:57.279 Um, because like my wife, that was his best friend. 00:10:57.440 --> 00:11:00.480 They they did everything together, they were constantly together. 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:03.919 If he wasn't at the firehouse or on a lawnmower, he was with Cheyenne. 00:11:04.159 --> 00:11:05.600 So, same thing with my wife. 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:09.039 If I'm not at the firehouse or in this shop working, I'm hanging out with my wife. 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:10.720 Only person I want to be around. 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:17.279 So goofing off with Bryce and and seeing, you know, he would help a little bit trying to learn the trade of making shields. 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:25.679 Um we saw how fire helmets were kind of going down in quality and going up in price. 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:31.039 Um, being from Jacksonville, I was like, I know, literally know all the numbers. 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:34.000 We were talking back and forth, and dude, how hard could it be? 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:38.879 So I literally took four Boston-shaped shields, sewed them together, like yeah, that's pretty close. 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:42.799 And it was, it's just been a story from from there. 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:47.440 We went and and decided to figure out how to make make the shape of the helmets. 00:11:47.679 --> 00:11:50.559 We prayed a lot and figured out how to harden them. 00:11:50.799 --> 00:12:03.840 Um we have sourced all the parts and stuff because we wanted to make sure that we can make an American-made product, um, that we didn't have to worry about anybody else's ability to take a product from us so we couldn't complete our task. 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:08.799 So we made sure we had complete control of every portion of the manufacturing. 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:13.360 Um, all the brass components, all the the rivets, the leather, everything. 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:17.120 We could everything that was going to be made for our helmet, we could get to in a day. 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:22.159 If there's if there's a problem, I could drive to that manufacturer and be like, what's going on? 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:36.240 Um, so we went into it, we figured it out, we started this business, and um roughly three months later, I got the call um from my wife saying, Hey, um, I'm in labor. 00:12:36.879 --> 00:12:37.919 I was like, awesome. 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:40.000 So I told Bryce, I said, Hey bro, I gotta leave. 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:43.360 We're you know, we're at work and uh you know, go have my my kid. 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:45.200 I talked to him a couple days later. 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:46.639 It's his his last shift. 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:53.279 We're talking about he was thinking about going to another department to try to play the federal game, bouncing back and forth to get some steps and stuff. 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:59.279 And uh, you know, I kind of laid out the numbers to him, explained to him, it's

not always about that money. 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:02.559 Uh sometimes the better decision is to stick it out and figure things out. 00:13:02.720 --> 00:13:09.200 We just had that older brother, little brother conversation about making these decisions for your family. 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:13.279 Um, the next day was his second part of his 48. 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:17.759 And then at the end of that second day is uh was was his last call. 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:24.639 From the firehouse to your house, Unky Seasoning packed bold, firehouse tested flavor into every meal. 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:28.159 Whether you're grilling, roasting, or just sprinkling it on your favorite snacks. 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:31.600 Our blends turn everyday eats into unforgettable bites. 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:35.200 Pick your flavor, take it on, and taste why it's firehouse approved. 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:37.440 Go to unkyseasoning.com. 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:42.080 Brought to you by the Burn Box, the number one firefighter subscription box. 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:47.600 The burn box celebrates firefighter products and firefighter-owned and operated businesses. 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:52.240 Start today and receive a monthly box of firefighter apparel gear and tools. 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:54.799 Check them out at the burnbox.com. 00:13:56.320 --> 00:14:07.039 Yeah, so so let's let's pause there and say, you know, you you you've got you've got this friend, you've got this relationship, and you're you're off shift. 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:15.120 So for that clarity and to make sure that everybody understands, you were or were not on the same crew with him at that point still. 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:25.759 So I was he had just transferred from station one where I'm at, where we lived together, uh, to station two, maybe two or three months before this. 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:30.799 Um it w he wasn't new to that task, he wasn't new to doing engine work. 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:34.639 Um Bryce was a a really good motherfucking firefighter. 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:37.039 Like that dude earned the title fireman. 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:46.720 Uh but he, you know, not to to how do it says, not to take anything away from him or the guys that were there. 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:59.200 Um he had been there for a a short period of time, and there was wasn't anything that I was expecting him to do there um that I didn't think he couldn't do. 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:02.639 And I think everybody within the battalion thought the same. 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:13.039 Um They knew from on the fire ground side at least, if there was a problem, he was going to be able to mitigate it pretty pretty competently. 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:23.039 Um there wasn't you know, you get some kids that that step into that leadership role as an acting officer, and you're like, hopefully this guy's working with him, you know. 00:15:23.120 --> 00:15:33.519 And Bryce was even at 25, Bryce was good enough that you

know he could pull in a younger kid or work right alongside with other guys that were in their 20s and they could fucking crush it. 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:38.559 So there I I didn't I don't think there was anything that he couldn't do there. 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:40.399 Cool. 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:43.759 Well, let's talk about um the incident itself. 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:46.000 And like I said, I know we wanted Drew to be on. 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:56.879 Drew was there that day, and our intent was to have Drew that was there, but um, I think you know enough about the incident to share um about it. 00:15:57.039 --> 00:16:07.919 Uh so kind of take us through what happened that day uh and the events of that day, um, so that way we can talk then about what has happened since then. 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:08.559 Okay. 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:12.480 Um I'm gonna do my best to cover it as accurately as possible. 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:14.000 Again, I I was not there. 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:16.639 I was blessed to be on baby leave at home. 00:16:16.799 --> 00:16:20.720 Um I was I was supposed to be working that day, but thankfully I was not. 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:28.960 Um I will hopefully guide everybody that is watching this or that will watch this to go find the report and read the report. 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:30.240 Um there's videos. 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:32.399 We're trying to put this in the show notes just so y'all know. 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:33.200 Yeah, that would be fun. 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:35.759 Yeah, we'll we'll absolutely put it in the notes, yeah. 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:42.720 Without a doubt, not just because it's my buddy, but it's it's probably the best line of duty death report that I've ever read in 20 years. 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:44.240 Like it's it's phenomenal. 00:16:44.480 --> 00:16:57.120 But um, so the guys get punched out for a fire, and I think I want to say they were third due, but they they the first you officer gets there, does a 360, um, there's heavy fire involvement. 00:16:57.360 --> 00:17:01.600 Um, guys start putting lines in service and figuring out what's going on. 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:07.599 Long story short, fire starts in the basement, but they they miss the involvement of the basement. 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:10.880 Um those guys start to make a push. 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:17.279 There's the initial guys on the line start to make a push, and they withdraw from the fire. 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:20.960 So Bryce and his guys are like, if you can't do it, we'll do it. 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:25.359 Um we are a very aggressive uh culture here in Southern Maryland. 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:32.319 So they make the push, and shortly thereafter, um, number two comes out of number one, number one comes out of the basement. 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:35.039 So the other two guys are lucky enough to get out. 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:43.920 A couple other guys are kind of caught in that skirmish from other companies, um,

and but Bryce ultimately goes down to the basement and does not come out without being carried. 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:52.480 So, with that being said, that's an unfortunate uh chain of events of of what's what's occurred. 00:17:52.559 --> 00:18:04.799 Let's talk about what happened and specifically when I say what happened, I mean we we talked about that, but what was the change and the outcomes of what happens, right? 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:08.960 The formalities of the days after are the tradition, right? 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:20.160 They're honored, they're remembered, they're um they're memorialized is the word I think I was looking for, but there has to be purpose because of that, right? 00:18:20.480 --> 00:18:20.640 Sure. 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:25.680 And not just from Mikey's perspective, and not just from Drew and the crew that's there. 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:38.319 I I told someone recently, uh, a chief told me early on, they said, you know, the beauty and the struggle of scars is that it reminds us of the challenges that we went through. 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:39.119 Right? 00:18:39.279 --> 00:18:46.799 And that's that that's what a scar does, is it tells us of the tough time and and it reminds us that it was worth it, right? 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:48.799 Because we made it through us through it. 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:50.640 Uh some people don't, right? 00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:55.680 And that's why they don't have scars, and yet we do, because we live through it. 00:18:55.839 --> 00:19:02.400 And so that's what I would say is because the department has a scar, what was the change that came from that? 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:04.079 What did you guys see? 00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:14.559 So there's there's been a couple of different things that have changed, both within our department, um, within the county, within the region, um, and definitely within our our battalion and our firehouse. 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:30.480 Um probably one of the biggest things that I've come to notice since that day has happened is guys who are extremely anal about making sure that they go through and they get a solid 360 and is it on a basement, isn't on a call space, and look inside that fucking basement. 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:34.559 If it's there, get inside there and find, make sure there's no involvement. 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:37.680 Um I don't I know back home we didn't have a whole lot of basements. 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:40.160 We had, I think, five in the entire city. 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:50.160 Um, but other places throughout the country, I mean throughout the country, there's basements, there's um cellars, there's there's an uh a below tenable space that can be involved. 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:52.640 Uh there's even some just big ass wall spaces. 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:54.319 Walk over fire. 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:56.079 Yeah, you gotta you can't. 00:19:56.240 --> 00:20:00.480 If you're gonna be over top of it, there's gotta be a really good fucking reason and you gotta really good reason. 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:05.440 Like a heavy search is happening, and you know, you know, there's babies waving from the fucking window. 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:09.759 That's about the only time you can you can make the make the car to do that. 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:19.119 So guys, guys have been really good um in in our department and within the county we serve that you know 360s are done. 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:22.960 If they can't complete the 360, it's verbalized on the radio. 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:25.359 Hey, can't complete the 360 because of this. 00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:35.920 Um, and then they'll get dressed and they'll either complete that 360 or the second or third piece will come in, or one of the cheese buggies will um will make a lap, but that 360 is gonna get done. 00:20:36.079 --> 00:20:47.359 Um, sometimes if they can't physically make the round, they'll cut through, you know, they'll do like Baltimore, DC, and they'll cut through the next um exposure, go through and give a side charlie report at a minimum. 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:51.359 But making sure everybody knows what the levels are and then label them. 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:54.000 We're on one, um, we're on two. 00:20:54.160 --> 00:20:58.880 The walkout's gonna be called basement, you know, so everybody's on the same page. 00:20:59.119 --> 00:21:06.559 Um there's been a lot more push for guys to understand, like we just went over the other day uh at the firehouse, uh understanding the quadrants. 00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:11.200 I don't know if you guys do that, but they do A, B, C, and D, and then echoes in the middle. 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:12.880 That's what they do here. 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:14.799 I know that wasn't a thing back home. 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:17.279 I personally like like plain text. 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:24.319 Because if I if I say something, if I say uh I'm at an ordinary construction home and somebody says, Oh, well, it's type three. 00:21:24.559 --> 00:21:28.880 What do you you get some kid that just got done with his fire one and two, he doesn't know what the hell type three is. 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:30.640 Let's just talk regular words. 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:32.319 We're fire, it's a blue-collar job. 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:33.200 Keep it simple. 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:33.680 Right. 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:41.920 So that's that's been a really big change here is making sure that everybody knows really what the building is and what the conditions are when they get there. 00:21:42.079 --> 00:21:53.119 Um another good one that that we've implemented at work is making sure that um like we've got a couple implementations that we've done. 00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:59.200 One of the biggest things that we're working on now is a officer development and an acting officer development program. 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:03.680 Um It's a really slow roll, but which is aggravating for me. 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:09.680 But

at the same time, I I know some of the people that are involved in it and I know they're trying to make sure that it's done right the first time. 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:12.559 So we're not having to backpedal and reinvent the wheel. 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:22.160 Um I want folks to that maybe that may be a little I want to say seasoned, but a little experienced in maybe some of these advanced or command classes. 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:30.720 You you may hear some of the stuff that Mikey's talking and say, oh, I I I hear them talk about some of that stuff, and that's blue card, and some of the people in my department have shot that down. 00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:32.640 Or maybe that's part from command and control. 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:34.960 And then we don't do that, we do blue card. 00:22:35.119 --> 00:22:45.599 Um whatever the elements are and whatever your department has, I think what I want to reiterate as a chief officer is commit consistency and training. 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:46.960 That's what I'm hearing. 00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:54.400 I'm hearing Mikey say that they identify that they need to be consistent and identify the risks on that fire ground. 00:22:54.720 --> 00:22:55.680 I don't care. 00:22:55.839 --> 00:23:09.680 I'm just saying this as a chief officer, I don't care what you call it, as long as everybody knows what it's called as the risk, and so that way that we have a system, so that way we lessen the risk for our people to make sure that people go home. 00:23:09.920 --> 00:23:10.240 Right? 00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:19.759 So whether you're bought into this program or that program or a program you make yourself, the question is does everybody who's come into that fire ground know that system? 00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:25.440 And if we know that system, great, because now we've we've reduced the risk for that. 00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:27.440 Doug, I want you to chime in. 00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:39.839 Uh, because again, you guys run uh you know a larger footprint uh with a lot of some of the departments, not exactly the same, but similar too as far as uh closeness and proximity. 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:42.240 What what do you think about kind of that mindset? 00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:46.240 I saw you shake your head a couple times for those that may be listening while he was talking. 00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:48.000 What do you want me to hone in on? 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:50.640 Well, just the I'm very opinionated. 00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:54.160 Yeah, like the whole echo, like when he said echo, I saw your head shake. 00:23:54.319 --> 00:24:03.359 Like it was like a, I don't know, it almost looked like a light bulb moment in your we don't we don't call it that, but um I get it, it's a great idea. 00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:11.920 Um we have instituted uh new benchmarks in the last, I don't know, 12 months probably. 00:24:12.079 --> 00:24:15.440 And we added 360 complete being one of our benchmarks. 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:17.759 We never had to announce that before. 00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:27.359 We would, you know, the front the front seat guy, um whether it be the officer or the acting officer, and I've been an acting officer for nine years, nine and a half years, something like that. 00:24:27.519 --> 00:24:29.119 So I've had plenty of seat time. 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:32.000 Um we would always just make the lap and then do an update. 00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:36.240 Hey, update from command, got a two-story with a basement, whatever. 00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:40.559 Well, now we have to actually log 360 complete as one of our benchmarks. 00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:42.319 So it's a it's a big deal. 00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:45.519 And like like Mikey said, it sometimes it's not possible. 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:52.319 If you got to get straight to work, if you you've got a large structure, it's a massive apartment building, or sometimes these cluster homes, you really can't get. 00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:54.559 I say cluster homes, I don't know if you know what I'm talking about. 00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:55.200 Yeah, roads. 00:24:55.440 --> 00:25:01.440 We have a lot of those, and we have a lot of those in in my area of so it's basically it's just one point in the ground, right? 00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:03.119 And then there's four houses built off of it. 00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:05.119 And it's typically for 55 and up, right? 00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:06.559 We call them cluster homes. 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:07.519 I do anyway. 00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:09.359 Um, that's hard to get around. 00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:10.400 So you're right. 00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:26.000 And in my department, we have such a I don't want to say a quick response, but we have the way our demographics, our geographics set up, we have you know, the first end units on scene, the second end units 60 seconds behind. 00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:26.960 They're not far behind. 00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:28.240 They're like it's pretty close. 00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:32.720 So if the first end unit can't get to it, hey, I didn't get to do a 360, get to that. 00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:38.960 Them or the BC, like you said, because they're in a staff vehicle, they're hauling ass, they can get there much faster than we can. 00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:40.400 Somebody's gonna do it. 00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:42.400 It's it's critical. 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:43.599 Critical. 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:56.799 And and and everything I've ever been taught in in any kind of acting officer class or or um I don't want to say leadership class, but like a command and control class, is what do I want to know about the Charlie side or the 360? 00:25:56.880 --> 00:25:57.759 What do you want to know? 00:25:57.920 --> 00:26:05.839 There's only three things that we we we consider important: the number of floors, the conditions, and egress. 00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:07.599 Right? 00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:34.079 That that kind of reminds me, so um I I I selflessly plugged the other podcast that we

have, the Carolina Firewatch, and we interviewed Lauren Franklin, who was in a home explosion um in Salisbury, and they talked about their benchmarks and how they've reduced the amount of time of communication that they have to do on the radio because they have set benchmarks based off of their arriving units. 00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:35.440 Doug's shaking his head. 00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:39.039 Mikey, do y'all have something similar to that or or no? 00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:50.160 So they'll say engine one's arriving, third engine, and they know that their third or engine arriving has certain predetermined benchmarks or tasks based off of their own. 00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:52.160 That's first alarm assignment stuff. 00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:53.839 I don't I don't really call that a benchmark. 00:26:54.160 --> 00:26:56.160 Well, I'm let me go ahead. 00:26:56.240 --> 00:26:56.559 I'm sorry. 00:26:56.720 --> 00:26:57.039 Go ahead. 00:26:57.440 --> 00:26:59.599 Well, what I was gonna say is before beauty. 00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:00.640 Thank you. 00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:06.559 So what I was saying was was that they they have those unless they are directed otherwise, right? 00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:14.640 So they know that their first arriving typically assigns right, like you said, on those are on their regular cookie cutter 90% of the time. 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:28.799 And and the why of why they did that was because of in a in the event of a May Day, they didn't want someone tying up radio frequencies for the purpose of giving what should be, I don't want to say, typical information. 00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:33.039 So they would say uh water on the fire, 360 complete. 00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:35.200 And that made me think of it when you said that, Doug, right? 00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:36.480 So it's just benchmarks. 00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:37.519 I completely get it. 00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:39.039 Because when do Maydays happen? 00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:40.880 In the first few minutes of the accident, right? 00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:43.759 Like that's that's we have we have data to support that. 00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:51.839 And I've always been an advocate of we talk too goddamn much on the radio, we say too much shit on the radio that doesn't need to be said. 00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:56.640 Yeah, you know, I don't need and and and oh god, I'm gonna get in trouble for this. 00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:58.799 Our chiefs are the most guilty for it. 00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:04.559 They've got their fucking little ear pods in and they're just a status, a CPR. 00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:06.559 Chief, shut the fuck up and let me work. 00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:06.799 Okay. 00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:11.759 With all due respect, if the smoke conditions are getting better, shut the fuck up. 00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:13.279 I don't need you to talk to me about it. 00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:15.279 If it's getting better, that's positive. 00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:16.240 We understand that. 00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:17.519 You should understand that. 00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:19.519 We talk too much on the fucking radio. 00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:36.720 And Brian, to your point, yes, unless you were giving an assignment as the second, third, fourth, first truck, what first medic, whatever, unless you were told specifically what to do, you should understand what the first alarm assignment is and what your job is as that unit getting there. 00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:44.640 Because when you hit the button and to mark on scene or to say, hey, engine 209's on scene, truck 209's on scene, people hear that shit. 00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:46.319 Know what your job is. 00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:48.240 Know your job and do your job. 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:51.680 This is the same shit I tell my 17-year-old softball players. 00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:54.079 Know your job and do your job. 00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:55.920 It ain't that fucking hard. 00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:00.000 Well, and to that point, that that should be the only time you communicate, right? 00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:17.599 So if I assign, if I've assigned engine two to fire attack, division two, right, whatever, and that's what they're doing, the only thing that they should do is come back and say, uh, command from uh Unit Two, status change, uh fire attack complete, transitioning to overhaul. 00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:18.319 Boom. 00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:18.799 That's it. 00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:20.319 That's all that should happen, right? 00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:27.599 So that way he can he or she can write on our board, you know, the that basically we we believe that we've got what I'm that way. 00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:31.200 He can come back and say give another task. 00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:35.119 Maybe it's burning in the roof and they don't know it because they're down below, right? 00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:38.799 They can't see what they what they what they don't know, right? 00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:41.279 Uh and and they can't see what they can't see. 00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:45.440 So it's in it's relative to say, like, hey, short burst of information. 00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:49.680 This is what I'm doing, this is the task that I've completed, and then what can I go from there? 00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:52.720 Uh Mikey, I want to go back real quick, unless Doug, you you got something. 00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:53.119 I'm not sure. 00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:55.039 No, no, short, short and to the point. 00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:55.680 Short. 00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:57.279 I don't need a dissertation. 00:29:57.519 --> 00:29:58.400 A hundred percent. 00:29:58.480 --> 00:29:58.720 Right. 00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:02.400 Hey Chief, we got it, we got a good knock, we're making progress, we're gonna check for extension. 00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:02.799 Done. 00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:03.680 Yep, yep. 00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:05.119 Uh Mikey, I want to go back. 00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:07.200 I want to go back to this to decision making. 00:30:07.279

--> 00:30:15.359 Did you guys see any change um in your process for decision making on the fire ground as a result of this? 00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:20.960 Um as far as like that day or after because of this. 00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:23.359 After after that, because of this. 00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:31.519 Um either you empowered more at the first arriving level all the way back to you know, anything. 00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:33.279 Like, has that changed? 00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:42.400 So I I I can speak more so to uh my house and my battalion more so than anything else, because that's what I have a better direct approach to. 00:30:42.720 --> 00:31:01.519 Um I have always, and I got this from from back home, I've always been a make sure your kids know the job and the job like he was like like Doug was saying, you need to know your job and do your job, but on on the truck, you need to know your job, do your job, but you also need to know the engine's job and make sure those guys on the wagon are making effect. 00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:12.559 And you need to know when there's there's a problem when they're not being um, when they're not making a knock on that fire, what can you do to affect them to give them a better opportunity to get that knock on that fire? 00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:22.799 Um, when you look at a building, how can you know that quick where everybody's going to be, where everybody is at, and where everybody needs to have the opportunity to go to? 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:28.079 Because that's your job on the truck is to make sure they have the opportunity to do that the quickest and the safest as possible. 00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:44.000 Uh, that being said, everybody that's worked under me since I've got here, I've done my best to try to make sure that they have as much of my experiences, that they get the stories, they get the opportunity to see pictures and videos of what I've done and how that can translate to us. 00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:46.640 Um, I want them to put me out of business. 00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:52.400 I want them to be 10 times better of a truck driver than I am and be 10 times a truck operator that I am. 00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:56.960 I want them to be able to be confident in their decision making. 00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:00.319 I don't want them to, you know, kind of look, hey, is it okay if I do this? 00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:03.200 Or um, oh, and maybe I'll get in trouble if I do that. 00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:04.079 Fuck it, man. 00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:06.720 If you need to put that, and this is gonna hurt some feelings, Doug. 00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:13.839 If you gotta put that tip through that window, the fucking end of that ladder is designed to be replaced. 00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:17.039 It's designed to fail and replace this much of it. 00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:18.880 Prove that I'm wrong. 00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:19.839 I'll wait. 00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:21.440 I'll wait you, bro. 00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:23.599 You know, that's literally designed for that. 00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:24.960 So, I mean, stuff like that. 00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:30.319 If you don't understand the why and the how of things, you know, you can't make these decisions. 00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:41.359 So I try to give my kids as much experience and pass on as many stories, if it's not for me, because I'm not bro, I didn't, I didn't I wasn't in the Bronx when it was burning, but I've been around and I've talked to a lot of people. 00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:43.279 I've been to some things, I've seen some things. 00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:45.440 Uh, so I try to pass on as much of that as I can. 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:50.640 So when these guys get to a situation, they can make a quick and confident decision. 00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:52.400 And if it goes good, awesome. 00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:54.640 If it goes bad, make another decision. 00:32:54.880 --> 00:33:16.960 Like be confident in it, and then hopefully on the drill field and going through calls, not only do they gain more confidence and the ability to do that, but the officers that they're working under see that the kids that are working for them are confident and competent, and they can feel trust and their drivers and there's those outside Vent men and stuff that they can do their job and they know that they're they're other guys gonna do their job. 00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:19.680 You don't have to babysit somebody, you don't have to hold coattails. 00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:25.519 Um, in doing that, it's a slow battleship turn, but it we're making progress. 00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:37.200 Um, we're seeing that guys that were having um having to look back and be real timid about making a decision or be timid about being um in the right spot. 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:38.240 Do I turn here? 00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:39.279 Do I turn there? 00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:42.559 Do make your decision and go with it and back yourself up. 00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:45.920 If someone wants to talk shit about it, stand on your hill. 00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:47.839 You made that decision, they weren't there. 00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:49.920 If they have a problem with it, we'll discuss it. 00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:57.680 And maybe I made a bad decision, maybe I made a good decision, but we'll discuss it so next time we have this opportunity, we can make a better, uh, better play. 00:33:57.839 --> 00:33:59.680 Um, we're not always going to be perfect. 00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:03.599 There's only one perfect person, and Jesus ain't here, so you ain't it. 00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:04.480 Yeah. 00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:10.960 I want to go back to um kind of what you talked about to the new generation and you call them your kids. 00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:16.000 I love that because that that creates love and that creates ownership, and and I appreciate that. 00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:21.519 Uh I almost jumped in and said that because it ties in so much to what Greg and Matt and I talked about last week.

00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:23.119 Yeah, last week so much. 00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:27.199 Uh I I love it, you know, because again, I think it also shows ownership, right? 00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.239 So I I love that you call them your kids. 00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:33.280 Um, but I want to I want to go back to the clarity. 00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:37.119 We spend a lot of time on the show, and and and I know you you listened to some of them. 00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:46.000 I don't know how if you've listened to all of them or whatever, but we lot of we talk a lot about the new generation of firefighters coming on board, and I know your house, firehouse is probably full of them. 00:34:46.320 --> 00:35:04.400 Do you find yourself going back to the incidents of what occurred with Bryce and maybe giving a little clarity and leaning into that incident, or maybe leaning on that incident uh and giving some examples when when you can, not all the time, right? 00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:07.599 But like saying, hey, this is this is why we do it. 00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:16.320 And and or or is that kind of like was that never the case, or is it still the case, right? 00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:33.440 Like if there was something that occurred that day, you stress that that that that incident, like for example, with with regards to the basement, like, hey, we do it this way because with Bryce, this is why it went south, or or whatever, right? 00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:34.960 I don't want to give specific examples. 00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:37.599 Yeah, so there's there's a lot of there's a lot of lessons. 00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:45.039 There's there's been some some finger pointing, and you know, this would have happened if this is this decision was made, or this wouldn't happen if this person was doing that. 00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:47.039 Like, I again I wasn't there. 00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:51.599 I was blessed by the Lord to not be there because my wife said if I was there, I probably wouldn't be down there with him. 00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:55.039 Um I'd I'd have found a way to get there too, and I probably would have got stuck. 00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:57.360 But I was able to take a lesson. 00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:01.440 Um, and actually was nice because you know I I did get hurt pretty early in my career. 00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:09.840 Brian, I don't know if you remember that, but I got I got knocked off and um you know off a roof and was out of work for like a week, I think. 00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:16.800 But um and I I learned a very specific lesson from that day about um your relief valves on your on your wagon. 00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:20.960 Make sure your relief valve on your your pump is set, especially if you're relay pumping. 00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:27.840 So I have everybody I've trained since then, hey man, this is a relief valve, this is how it works, and this is why I'm I'm anal about making sure you have it set. 00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:31.760 Because I wouldn't have got hurt

and have back problems if that relief valve wasn't set. 00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:43.280 Um but I've also been able to since this go back and one of the biggest things I try to teach the kids, especially like I said, Southern Maryland is wildly aggressive, and I love it. 00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:46.960 It's not like nobody's lollygagging, well, it's not my emergency. 00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:47.679 Fuck you, bro. 00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:49.119 If you don't like that, get on an ambulance. 00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:50.239 That's not what this is about. 00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:52.239 Um, but these kids are they want to go in. 00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:55.039 You're like fucking ambo. 00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:56.320 Bro, I'm serious. 00:36:56.480 --> 00:37:04.239 Like, I I I this job is giving me a lot, and this job is giving me the opportunity to impact a lot of people and a lot of families and do some really cool stuff. 00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:06.320 Hey, so as a local guy, I get it. 00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:10.559 I I understand that that area is super aggressive, and it's they're known for that. 00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:11.599 It's not a secret. 00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:12.320 I I love it. 00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:12.960 Yep. 00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:16.000 So I mean that's that's you know, me and Bryce were like that. 00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:17.519 We were constantly on people. 00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:18.960 Hey, bro, don't be slow. 00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:21.280 You know, we'd see somebody out at the store, don't be slow. 00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:23.760 You better leave room because if not, I'm gonna run you over. 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:25.679 Um, but it that's awesome. 00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:26.480 I I love it. 00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:34.239 I love the fact that the guys here they want to get in, they want to push you out of the way, they want to be the ones who put the water on the fire, they want to be the ones on the roof making the hole or making the grab. 00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:40.239 But one of the things that I've had to learn or that I definitely took from this fire is is throttle control. 00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:43.760 Like Bryce would call me or talk to me after almost every call. 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:49.119 Since the time we started working together, he'd come back from a run and be like, hey man, this is what happened, these are the decisions we made. 00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:50.079 What do you think? 00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:54.239 And again, I'm I'm not the man, but I'm older. 00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:56.480 Like I'm now I'm 41 now. 00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:59.599 So I'm literally old enough to be most of these kids' dads. 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:03.440 Um, I'm old enough to be my captain's dad, which is insane. 00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:04.400 That's that's true. 00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:05.039 Wow. 00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:05.679 Yeah. 00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:10.159 Um, but uh, you know, he would he would come to me and ask, you know, what do you think? 00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:11.519 Do I do you think I made a good decision? 00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:12.880 Do you think I made a bad decision? 00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:17.039 And we would talk through stuff and try to relate it to the decisions that we made before. 00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:26.239 But what I've definitely tried to impart since then that I didn't get an opportunity to impart in price, at least I don't I don't think I did, is uh what I call throttle control. 00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:32.960 Like we got these kids, when I was working at Anna Rundle, we were all very, very competitive drivers. 00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:35.840 We knew the first, second, and third do like the back of our hands. 00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:44.000 But we also knew if we're going to the the 32 box, when we get to this intersection, hey man, the game stopped. 00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:46.880 Whoever gets there, we're gonna get in line, we're gonna go put the fire out. 00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:56.079 But until we get there, you better have your ass on that gas pedal because 10's coming, 30's coming, 20's coming, 13's coming, we're coming. 00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:58.159 And we're all racing for that intersection. 00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:00.000 But once we get there, the game stops. 00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:02.000 We don't have to be aggressive anymore. 00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:06.400 Same thing, um, I try to get them to understand at a fire. 00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:08.559 Look, we need to go, go, go, right? 00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:09.840 Get there as fast as you can. 00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:12.880 As soon as that brake pops, we need to let off the throttle a little bit. 00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:14.239 We're still coasting, right? 00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:18.079 We're not hitting the brake, but just come off the throttle and let coast. 00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:22.559 You can take a size of like luckily, one of my captains hit me with an uh apartment fire one time. 00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:23.760 He said, Hey bro, slow down. 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:25.440 And I was like, Oh shit, cool. 00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:26.639 I need to turn right here. 00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:31.199 And because I took that second, I was able to put my truck in the spot and we we crush it. 00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:34.000 Um but slow down when you're pulling in. 00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:40.480 Hit the brake, slow down again, get out of the truck, make a nice 360 of the building, see what's going on, right? 00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:42.239 Then back up on that fuel. 00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:45.039 Get to that door, let off the thing again, right? 00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:51.920 Once you get into that door, take a good look, hit it with your camera, see what the conditions are, listen, right? 00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:58.639 Look, see what the fuck's going on, get back on that that motor again, right? 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:08.480 But if you see and listen and see some other stuff that, hey, maybe not, maybe then that's when we start tapping the the brake a little

bit and making better informed decisions. 00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:22.639 Um there's some stuff that that has been commented on on that fire, and you can go back through and see the pictures and see the video and stuff, that maybe other people would have got to that door and been like, whoa, this is a little sketch. 00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:27.199 Or you would have seen the fire load and felt the heat and be like, mmm, hold on a minute. 00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:36.079 But the decision was made that day to to go in, and he he said, Look, if you can't you can't do it, get out the fucking way and we'll do it. 00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:37.440 Right, wrong, or indifferent. 00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:39.599 That's that's the decision that he that was made. 00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:42.000 Um so I've done my best. 00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:45.840 Um, but it's the the what is it? 00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:50.559 The lesson that was learned most for me was trying to teach guys the opportunity to have throttle control. 00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:55.199 Um a lot of guys have gotten better with that here in in Southern Maryland. 00:40:55.440 --> 00:41:04.400 You still see some of the younger kids that are, you know, they want to be like the older guys that are there, that you see them hit the ground running, literally running to the fire. 00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:06.480 And um, maybe that's all they see. 00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:10.079 Maybe they don't see the they slow down and pace a little bit and take a gander. 00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:12.079 You know, they don't stop, they don't walk. 00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:19.280 But being able to feather off of that throttle a little bit and taking in more information so you grasp what's going on. 00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:21.679 You grasp where the fire's at. 00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:23.440 Uh, are there people there? 00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:24.960 Has the fire moved? 00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:26.400 Is there fire in the basement? 00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:28.400 Are there people hanging from the windows? 00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:30.639 Is this even an occupied building? 00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:31.360 Right? 00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:42.639 Um, and I know it's it's occupied until we make the search, but if you're out every day and you're touring around, you know which ones are are vacant and which ones are full of vagrants. 00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:43.280 You should. 00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:44.079 There's a difference. 00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:47.039 Yeah, you should get out there and see where where your people are at. 00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:53.599 Um, you know where the drug addicts are hanging out, you know um where Bob and Sally are hanging out at their house. 00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:59.280 You know, the the old folks are playing bridge, you know where the kids are, the you know, the neighborhoods that the kids are riding bikes. 00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:05.199 Look for these clues, and you find those clues, you just come off the gas a little bit and pull it in and make

a better informed decision. 00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:09.760 Brought to you by the Burn Box, the number one firefighter subscription box. 00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:15.280 The burn box celebrates firefighter products and firefighter-owned and operated businesses. 00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:19.920 Start today and receive a monthly box of firefighter apparel gear and tools. 00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:22.480 Check them out at the burnbox.com. 00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:32.079 I want to ask three uh very serious questions um as it relates to Bryce. 00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:41.519 Um, but before I start these, I want to ask Adam or Doug if they want to chime in before I before I get to these last three closing questions. 00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:45.360 Because if you've noticed Mikey, he tells you exactly what he thinks. 00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:47.519 So I want to leave enough time for turnout drill too. 00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:52.000 I don't want to leave like that, and I want to make sure we have time for snail mail. 00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:56.079 Um, so so do you guys have any questions before I get to these three? 00:42:56.320 --> 00:42:56.559 These two. 00:42:57.119 --> 00:42:58.800 No, I'm thoroughly enjoying listening. 00:42:59.039 --> 00:42:59.679 Okay, all right. 00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:01.599 They're like, you just guys keep rolling. 00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:03.760 Um I feel like I've said enough. 00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:04.400 Okay. 00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:10.800 Um so this is probably the gonna be the easiest question for you, Mike, Mikey. 00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:22.719 Um looking at the broader fire service, um what are some lessons you think from Bryce's story that you hope others will take away from from his incident? 00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:28.800 When they go back and read that incident detail, what do you what do you hope that they will take from that? 00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:36.320 There's there's a there's a lot to take from, you know, again, if you get the opportunity to read the report, please read the report. 00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:41.760 Um, and it's not just a report that's gonna impact a firefighter, a driver, an officer, or or a chief. 00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:45.760 There's there's something literally for everybody in the fire service from that report. 00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:54.159 Um so it's kind of hard to say what do I hope everybody takes from that because literally everybody could take a different lesson from that, a different approach from it. 00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:54.559 Sure. 00:43:54.719 --> 00:44:02.159 Because there's there's stuff in there that the chief officers um you know did good to Bad and that they'll be able to carry on. 00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:05.360 There's stuff that the drivers had problems with, there's stuff that the farmers had. 00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:13.679 Um, what I hope that they take from it is the opportunity to pass that on to somebody else, so they have the opportunity to take something from it. 00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:18.559

Um we went through a lot of these reports, you know, very early on in my career. 00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:29.519 You guys were really good about making sure, you know, when something especially close to home happened, we knew who that person was, who their what their backstory was, about their family, where they were from, all that stuff. 00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:35.280 So it kind of cauterized that in your heart that this is a real person, this isn't just a name. 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:40.159 And then we were really good about understanding what happened and why it happened. 00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:41.599 Like, yeah, it sucks. 00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:45.679 We're not pointing blames, but what physically got these guys in that conundrum? 00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:54.800 So when we go up against, you know, when the furniture store catches on fire, we know, hey man, yeah, don't take a two and a half inch line in there to supply your wagon. 00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:55.840 That's not enough water. 00:44:56.400 --> 00:45:07.360 You know, um, so everybody, I just want everybody to read not just this report, but every every report that comes out and asks you the simple question of what happened and why did that happen. 00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:09.199 So it doesn't happen again. 00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:17.920 There's there's nothing at all romantic or glory uh or full of glory or glorified about the things that we had to do after that day. 00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:21.039 I don't ever like I I did it a bunch before I got here. 00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:22.800 I did it a couple times since I've been here. 00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:24.079 I don't want to do it again. 00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:25.519 It's not fun. 00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:31.360 Um, so if we can minimize and keep that number as low as possible, if we can ever get it down to single digits, that'd be great. 00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:32.639 That would be phenomenal. 00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:38.960 It's never gonna happen because this job's rough, but if we can keep the numbers below 100, sweet. 00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:39.760 I love it. 00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:41.440 It would be fantastic. 00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:42.079 All right. 00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:46.079 The next one is really about you and Bryce. 00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:51.760 When you think about Bryce today, what do you hope people will remember most about him? 00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:55.440 Uh, he was a hard-working dude, loved his family. 00:45:57.920 --> 00:45:59.039 He was a good farmer. 00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:01.920 He was a good dude. 00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:04.239 I have a very excuse you. 00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:07.280 I have a very small circle. 00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:09.840 And he was pretty close to the middle. 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:13.440 I know that one was hard. 00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:14.800 I don't know him, right? 00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:19.360 But it it I don't care who you are, you you know somebody. 00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:24.480 Um and on the on the Patreon side of it, I was tearing up over there. 00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:33.519 And um I didn't know that guy because if you've been in this service long enough, you know the sacrifice and you know the relationships. 00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:35.840 So so here's the last one. 00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:44.800 What do you what do you hope Bryce's legacy means for firefighters who are gonna come after him? 00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:54.239 Um I hope I hope they follow because uh he was constantly working to try to figure out the next step for himself. 00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:59.280 Um I'm selfish, I'm 19 years into this, I'm driving. 00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:03.599 I'm gonna be happy as a clam if I just end my career in that seat. 00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:06.000 Um but he was not happy with that. 00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:10.480 He had plans of promoting a Catherine next, and probably beyond that. 00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:15.679 Um, but he was always trying to make an impact and make the job enjoyable. 00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:17.519 It's really easy, especially nowadays. 00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:21.840 You know, everybody around you in this, you know, nobody talks anymore. 00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:24.159 Check this out. 00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:26.639 Like, put those fucking phones away. 00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:34.800 Um he was always very, very keen about making sure the culture within the house was what it should be. 00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:37.440 Um, what the old timers had it, you know? 00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:41.920 Sitting around a kitchen table, sitting around a bay table, sitting around, we had a we have a gazebo. 00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:45.440 We'd sit around a gazebo for hours just talking about dumb stuff. 00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:49.119 Like, hey, how many monkeys do you think it would take to pick that airplane up? 00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:53.920 Well, are they gray monkeys or are they like capuchin monkeys? 00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:55.599 Like the dumb stuff like that that makes it enjoyable. 00:47:55.840 --> 00:47:58.159 We're here for 48 hours, 72 hours at a time. 00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:00.239 Do the monkeys have thumbs? 00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:01.679 Yeah, are they gorillas? 00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:04.000 Because those are much stronger, you know. 00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:08.639 Um, but you know, maintaining that the joy of that job. 00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:10.400 Uh, I heard you guys talk about the other day. 00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:14.079 A lot of kids come in and they'll do the job for a little bit and then they're like, Yeah, that was fun. 00:48:14.159 --> 00:48:15.360 I'm gonna go be a banker now. 00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:16.800 Like, yeah, that's cool. 00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:18.559 Maybe those people shouldn't be here. 00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:22.719 Um, but if you're gonna be here, make sure that you're making a daily impact. 00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:29.440 Um, not just about being a good fireman or making sure the trucks are checked off or you got your shirt tucked in.

00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:30.559 Don't get me started on that. 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:31.599 It's a whole nother problem. 00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:33.119 But a whole nother problem. 00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:43.360 Making sure that the daily firehouse um life and what it is when you come in to work, you're excited to be there. 00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:51.039 Um it's really easy for a lot of guys, and I'm I'm guilty of it, of losing the enjoyment of having to get in your truck and go to work. 00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:57.519 Like since that day, I can genuinely say I I can't think of more than a couple days where I've been excited to go to work. 00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:02.159 That's three years of not being happy that I'm getting to go get on a fire truck. 00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:03.760 I'm trying to turn that battleship. 00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:06.559 It's a rough individual battle for myself. 00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:15.760 But that was something that that Bryce said, and hopefully, more guys that hear this you don't have to be the senior man, you don't have to be an officer, you can be two years on a job. 00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:18.239 You can be the just don't be the two and twenty, right? 00:49:18.320 --> 00:49:21.119 Right, but make sure everybody's happy. 00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:24.400 And that doesn't mean oh you you look great today. 00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:28.639 Really see you're you're doing great, your biceps are awesome, you know your shoes look clean. 00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:31.280 Like, hey man, you look fat. 00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:41.920 Like, I've but if I didn't give those problems to people, if I didn't talk trash, if I walk past Brian's office at station one and I didn't say anything to him, yeah, he probably knew there was something up. 00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:42.880 Well, you were cops. 00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:43.519 100%. 00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:44.000 Yeah. 00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:46.000 Shout out to my rookie, Austin. 00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:49.519 Like Austin came in as like he was a cop before he came to us. 00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:50.719 He finally wised up. 00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:51.360 But same thing. 00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:53.119 Like he came in, he's a new guy. 00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:57.599 He doesn't think he's a 220, but he started busting balls as soon as he was able to. 00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:01.280 Oh, and it just dude, he just he keeps everything so lively. 00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:02.960 So yeah, you're spot on. 00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:04.239 Yep, make it enjoyable. 00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:06.079 Know your place, but make it enjoyable. 00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:09.360 And um know where that line's at. 00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:14.719 Uh, your battalion chiefs might get a little mad at it, but it's it's good every once in a while to to stand on that line. 00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:16.000 Jump the line. 00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:20.079 If BC needs to get out of the way, let the company also handle their company. 00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:20.880 Get out of

the way, man. 00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:21.679 Let most of the city of the city of the case. 00:50:23.199 --> 00:50:24.079 We don't have an issue. 00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:24.639 Go away. 00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:24.960 Yep. 00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:38.480 Well, and I I'll just chime in and say, I still tell people today, like the best years of my life were on the back of the station of station three, just talking till late at night and enjoying ourselves. 00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:41.360 And like you said, Mikey, creating a culture. 00:50:41.440 --> 00:50:53.440 And and I got to thinking about it when I was listening to the episode today that I rec I recalled the episode where we talked about retention, and I thought that that's retention, right? 00:50:53.519 --> 00:51:02.239 Where you create an environment where people they don't necessarily want to stay at 8 o'clock, but they're not angry if they had to, right? 00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:06.239 Because it's like, wow, this is this is this is not a bad thing. 00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:19.199 Like, because I've created we we have a family here, we have a group, we have uh we have great conversation, and like you said, that people aren't driven to be on their phone all the time and you know disconnect from from everybody. 00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:21.840 And and um we can create that. 00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:26.239 And and I don't want to go, I don't want to go down that rabbit hole, but I I do think it's great. 00:51:26.480 --> 00:51:48.559 I I want to say before we get into the turnout drill and um the snail mail, um just thank you for for being very vulnerable and being very honest and sharing the story uh and and letting Bryce's uh legacy live on uh at least for this last hour that that we've been together, because I I I think these guys would agree as well. 00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:50.559 Um everybody needs to hear it. 00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:52.480 Uh and this is just one, right? 00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:59.840 It's it's your story, but like you said, there's there's a hundred every year that have a have a story like this. 00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:00.639 Go ahead, Doug. 00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:01.199 I'm sorry. 00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:02.159 No, you're right. 00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:05.840 Yeah, every year there's a hundred different people who have different stories. 00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:12.719 And I'm very adamant, I'm sorry, we're we're very adamant about making sure that this story gets out as as many places as we can. 00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:26.400 Um, with both our businesses, we have a card that has a picture of of Bryce and another fireman that that we lost less than a year after that, uh, and a QR code on the back that takes everybody straight to his uh his report. 00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:30.480 So that goes out with every order that leaves both our shops every time. 00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:33.199 Do a name drop if you don't mind other shops real quick. 00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:34.320 Yeah, plug your shop. 00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:36.639 Uh I feel really b bad. 00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:38.719 So the the one I I'll I'll plug the one. 00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:42.400 The one I started with Bryce is uh EH coverings LLC. 00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:55.280 So we we make fire helmets and um they're presentation helmets, but uh we're working to make a our goal was to make a uh a fire helmet that's serviceable for less than a thousand dollars made in America. 00:52:55.840 --> 00:53:08.079 It's been a long struggle, but you know, God has opened a lot of doors and taken out a lot of walls to make the things that we thought were gonna be the hardest uh easier and accomplish some things that people never thought were gonna be accomplished. 00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:11.119 So that's that's the one I'll plug, the one that I started with my best friend. 00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:23.039 And that's the one that you know we send a lot of QR codes out to make sure they all get a QR code for his uh his report and then they all get the memorial um sticker, every every single one that goes out. 00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:24.480 I love it. 00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:25.920 Fantastic. 00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:31.679 Well, let's do a quick segment of is it mail call, snail mail? 00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:34.079 Hey, I think he gets mad at me when I call it snail mail. 00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:38.639 No, he gets he gets mailed when you call it mail call. 00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:40.639 Okay, it's snail mail. 00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:42.400 It's snail mail time. 00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:46.400 All right, there it is. 00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:50.400 Because I remember because Trump trust Trump comes on and goes, it's snail mail time. 00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:52.800 Okay, I I I did that on purpose, just to screw with you, man. 00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:54.079 It's time for snail mail. 00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:55.119 It's time for snail mail. 00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:56.000 You gotta read the music. 00:53:56.159 --> 00:54:01.360 All right, so Bella in our comments on what was it? 00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:02.480 It's blues clues. 00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:05.199 It's metal stamps, um, or whatever they used to say. 00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:05.599 I don't know. 00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:11.360 Um so Bella on Spotify said, Hi, cool farming podcast. 00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:18.400 My name is Bella, and one of y'all text had texted my father, Chris Russ, and we love your podcast so much. 00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:26.320 When I'm writing with him, when I go to school and we put on your podcast, oh god, I hope this is not a kid with the explicit uh sounds like it's a kid. 00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:27.199 Oh gosh. 00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:28.159 Sorry, Bella. 00:54:28.880 --> 00:54:29.599 I'm looking forward to it. 00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:33.679 Yes, sorry, sorry, Bella, instead of sorry, Rhett. 00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:34.320 Sorry, Rhett. 00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:38.559 Yeah, we didn't say this, we didn't say that one today, so we'll we'll throw it in there

right now at the end. 00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:43.679 Um I'm looking forward to being a volunteer firefighter or maybe full-time when I'm older. 00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:45.599 I love going to fire training with my dad. 00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:46.960 We are ADR. 00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:48.000 Well, not me yet. 00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:49.440 I don't know what ADR means. 00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:54.480 Um, I hope I can uh be a good firefighter when I'm older, and thank you for what you do. 00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:56.719 You're very appreciated, Bella Russ. 00:54:57.119 --> 00:55:03.599 So, and that was on the firefighter mental health trauma and relationships with Aaron Jane, that episode. 00:55:03.679 --> 00:55:09.039 So she's listening back because that one was golly, probably six, eight months ago. 00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:12.880 No, I don't know if it was quite that long ago, but yeah, it was a while ago. 00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:13.920 It was a while ago. 00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:19.039 So shout out Aaron Jane, our our buddy from down under who lives in Boston. 00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:22.960 Yeah, shout out to her, and shout out to Bella for listening. 00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:24.960 And again, this is our purpose, guys. 00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:29.039 This is why we come every week, and like Mikey said, it's for the kids. 00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:30.000 It's our kids. 00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:31.599 This is the kids, right? 00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:33.119 This is the ones who's listening. 00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:35.920 I wouldn't say the kids, it's for the it's it's for the next generation. 00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:37.199 Right, that's what I'm saying. 00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:39.039 That's that's what I and that's what I was trying to say. 00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:43.199 Maybe I didn't tee that up correctly, but it's for the next generation, right? 00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:46.880 We aspire to be the cool firemen, they aspire to be the cool fireman. 00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:50.400 Let's let our lessons learn be what they live off of. 00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:55.119 All right, Mikey, have you listened to an episode where we do the turnout drill? 00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:56.960 No, I haven't gotten that far. 00:55:57.199 --> 00:55:57.519 Okay. 00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:10.800 So, what the turnout drill is, is that basically we're gonna get you to give us five random numbers, one through a hundred, and they're just random questions, and you get to answer them. 00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:12.320 We do three. 00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:13.360 We're gonna do five. 00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:15.039 Okay, I mean we can do five. 00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:16.159 I'm just gonna do five. 00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:17.119 Yeah, we normally would. 00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:17.360 I forgot. 00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:19.119 It's a great number, five. 00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:21.199 There's five fingers, five in your thumbs, nothing. 00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:22.239 What's in the middle? 00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:25.440 It's a scale from one to ten, five's in the middle. 00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:27.840 It's right down the middle, it's a beautiful town. 00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:29.760 I can see what would happen if I had done it. 00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:31.199 Mikey does the good truck. 00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:32.079 He's pretty good. 00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:33.679 He's not as good as some buddy. 00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:34.639 Is all right? 00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:35.519 People have said it. 00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:36.960 People said it's the greatest impression. 00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:37.599 I didn't say it. 00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:38.719 People have said it. 00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:40.960 I didn't say it, but people have said it. 00:56:41.199 --> 00:56:42.800 Lots of people, great people. 00:56:43.119 --> 00:56:43.679 Great people. 00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:45.760 Okay, number five numbers. 00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:47.760 Just give me one at a time. 00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:48.719 The first one. 00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:50.639 35 short answer. 00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:51.599 Number three. 00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:52.960 This is a short answer. 00:56:53.199 --> 00:56:57.039 If you could give your 15-year-old one piece of advice, what would it be? 00:56:57.119 --> 00:56:58.800 And again, the short answer. 00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:03.519 Your 15-year-old self. 00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:07.519 Uh work out and shut your mouth. 00:57:08.719 --> 00:57:09.360 I like it. 00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:10.880 All right, next number. 00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:12.320 Uh 13. 00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:13.360 13. 00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:15.599 What was your favorite subject in school? 00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:16.960 Uh, math and science. 00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:17.760 Math and science. 00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:19.039 Wow, what a nerd. 00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:21.199 Have you ever had your ass whooped by a nerd? 00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:22.079 You'd be together. 00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:27.199 I'm not gonna look at a few. 00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:33.519 Like a man that would literally, he'd come by my office and give some smart comment and just keep walking, okay? 00:57:33.679 --> 00:57:36.000 Anyway, you look fat today, Brian. 00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:39.280 Keep it up and just keep walking a hono or something. 00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:43.440 And then I'm sitting there on the phone and I can't leave, I can't put it on mute, I can't do anything. 00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:48.639 And then it's just like, I was talking to the mayor. 00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:50.480 Shut your door. 00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:51.440 I don't know what to tell you. 00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:52.320 I don't give a shit. 00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:53.440 Shut your door. 00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:56.559 Might be my fault, but it ain't my problem. 00:57:56.800 --> 00:57:57.440 Yep. 00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:01.199 What's the third question, Mikey? 00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:02.719 Um, seven. 00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:03.679 Seven. 00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:05.599 Should chili have beans? 00:58:05.840 -->

00:58:06.400 Yes. 00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:07.039 Okay. 00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:07.599 Absolutely. 00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:08.800 Next one. 00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:11.280 Um 99. 00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:12.400 99. 00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:13.840 Let's see here. 00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:20.000 Um if you could wake up with fluency in any language, which would you choose? 00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:21.199 It's a stupid question. 00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:24.400 Uh you estudio español, porque es muy importante. 00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:32.480 Probably Portuguese, because then I can know what my my coach is saying in Egypt. 00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:34.800 Spanish is better good. 00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:40.000 Sometimes it's not. 00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:45.280 But uh probably español, but I mean gringo is muy bueno. 00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:48.079 Maybe it's it's good, man. 00:58:48.480 --> 00:58:49.519 It's better good, man. 00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:55.280 I'm just telling you, if I put Doug and Mikey in a room with a liquor drink, it probably wouldn't be good. 00:58:55.360 --> 00:58:56.400 All right, last one, Mikey. 00:58:56.559 --> 00:58:57.440 I don't even drink anymore. 00:58:57.519 --> 00:58:59.039 I haven't been drinking three years. 00:58:59.199 --> 00:58:59.920 It's crazy. 00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:02.239 Yeah. 00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:04.559 I didn't say liquor drinks. 00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:07.360 If you noticed, I said a liquor drink. 00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:07.840 Okay. 00:59:08.159 --> 00:59:08.880 A liquor drink. 00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:10.960 I'll just keep pouring them. 00:59:11.199 --> 00:59:11.519 Okay. 00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:14.559 That duck says sounds good to me. 00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:14.880 All right. 00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:16.239 What's the fifth one? 00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:18.079 Uh 16. 00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:19.119 Last one. 00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:20.320 16. 00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:21.119 That's a great number. 00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:21.760 You know why. 00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:22.320 All right. 00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:27.920 Um who is the most inf Who is the most influential person in your life? 00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:29.039 I know the answer to this one. 00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:30.400 Oh, that's an easy one. 00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:32.639 The most influential person in my life is Jesus. 00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:33.280 Amen. 00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:34.880 I knew you were going to say that. 00:59:35.039 --> 00:59:35.280 Yep. 00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:36.400 I knew you were going to say that my wife. 00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:37.840 I thought you were going to say Brian Kelly. 00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:39.679 No. 00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:40.320 No. 00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:40.639 No. 00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:44.079 A very close 38th. 00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:45.440 But um. 00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:48.000 I knew that knows the answer I'm going to be there too. 00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:48.559 Yeah. 00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:50.400 Um, definitely. 00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:54.800 Um, I I I pray every day that that people will will find Jesus. 00:59:54.880 --> 00:59:59.039 And don't look for Jesus in a church or a person or a movie or a book. 00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:02.000 You find Jesus in the scripture. 01:00:02.079 --> 01:00:03.119 You find Jesus in Jesus. 01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:04.000 Amen, brother. 01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:04.639 Go look for him. 01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:07.679 You ain't gotta go in a freaking building to do that. 01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:08.880 You ain't gotta go nowhere. 01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:09.679 Close your eyes. 01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:10.239 Exactly. 01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:11.119 That's what I'm saying. 01:00:11.199 --> 01:00:14.800 Like, you don't have to go anywhere or be anybody specific to do that. 01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:15.760 It's not that hard. 01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:23.280 He left the 99 to come find you, and I'm here to tell you, no matter where you're at, no matter how bad it is, you stand on the ledge and look down. 01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:27.039 You look, you look at that bottle, you you drive that fast car. 01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:31.519 He's right behind you, just waiting for you to turn around and say, please help. 01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:33.360 Like, he wants you. 01:00:33.679 --> 01:00:39.119 And nothing that you've done in your past will ever keep you from the salvation that Jesus Christ is going to give you. 01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:40.480 Like, just please. 01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:41.679 Go find Jesus. 01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:43.039 And the peace. 01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:43.440 Right. 01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:50.159 Now he's not gonna, he, he will not, he will not keep you from from sorrow or pain. 01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:52.000 That's not what Jesus does. 01:00:52.239 --> 01:01:00.559 Okay, like I've I've loved and followed Jesus for a long time, and I'm here to tell you this was my wife said after this happened, I was a shell of a man. 01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:03.440 Like I didn't think Jesus didn't love me. 01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:06.719 But I had to figure out how's Jesus gonna get me through this. 01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:16.000 What is the why did this happen and how am I going to be able to take this opportunity to to glorify him, to show what happens when I keep turning back to him. 01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:17.519 What has he done for our family? 01:01:17.679 --> 01:01:19.039 Like, it's it's there. 01:01:19.280 --> 01:01:20.159 He's there for you. 01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:21.760 Please go find some Jesus. 01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:22.719 It's in a book. 01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:24.960 You don't even have to buy the book, you can buy it, get an app. 01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:27.760 As much as I ate a phone, it's on there. 01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:28.400 Yeah. 01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:29.599 So 100%. 01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:31.679 My most inspirational person. 01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:33.360 I knew that was gonna be the answer. 01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:35.920 And there's a reason why he had you pick that number. 01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:37.119 I'll just say that, right? 01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:37.760 Yep. 01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:38.559 There it is. 01:01:38.719 --> 01:01:39.519 Uh 100%. 01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:41.199 Mikey, thank you so much. 01:01:41.360 --> 01:01:43.679 Doug, Adam, y'all got anything before we close it out? 01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:44.960 No, this is great. 01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:46.320 This is very heartfelt. 01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:51.760 And uh I I got I got a little emotional when Mikey got emotional. 01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:52.880 I'm an emotional dude. 01:01:52.960 --> 01:02:00.880 Um, I had this chiseled rugged exterior, but behind that are feelings, and uh, and they get they get they get soft sometimes. 01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:01.920 Um yeah. 01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:04.000 Yep, my kids call me the big salty. 01:02:04.480 --> 01:02:04.719 Yeah. 01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:08.480 Um I'll fight in a minute, but you if you get me, you get me, and there's nothing I can do. 01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:11.440 I mean, you can get these these motherfuckers always buy one, get one free. 01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:17.360 Buy one, you get this motherfucker free. 01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:18.000 Yep. 01:02:19.039 --> 01:02:22.079 Hey, uh Adam, you got anything before we roll out? 01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:23.199 Sorry, Rhett. 01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:24.079 Just freedom back here. 01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:26.320 Adam's just sitting here just listening to the show. 01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:28.320 Adam's just taking it all in, like always. 01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:28.880 Always. 01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:30.880 If you want to hear Adam, go to Patreon. 01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:32.639 Okay, because that's where you get your money. 01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:33.760 Okay, is on Patreon. 01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:34.559 Or Facebook. 01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:37.119 Hey, Unkies and nephews, it's Unky. 01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:38.800 It's it's Adam. 01:02:38.960 --> 01:02:39.760 Yeah, it's Unky. 01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:40.400 There you go. 01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:44.800 Uh, anyways, Mikey, do you know the line to roll us out? 01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:45.920 I don't. 01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:47.920 You just say roll it GG. 01:02:48.320 --> 01:02:49.280 Roll it, GG. 01:02:49.599 --> 01:02:50.639 Roll it, GG? 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