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Lance Oppenheim. And I was in the camp that was like, I'm going that weekend when it comes out to the point that I had two friends visiting me that weekend. And I, in the kindest way possible, was basically like, can we go see this three-hour documentary in this brief window of time. 00:03:49 Speaker 2: That we have together? Understandable. 00:03:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just, I really, really, really wanted to see it. And I was fascinated, like some of the reviews coming out about it and some of the conversation coming out about it just really hooked me. And so I convinced one of them to see it. The other one came the second time. We went, which was last night. But they had a lot of hesitation about the awkwardness, which we're going to talk about with Samantha. But I was very excited about this whole thing, and I enjoyed the experience. 00:04:28 Speaker 3: So you were a fan of Nathan Fielder before seeing this? 00:04:35 Speaker 1: I was not super familiar with his work. I know generally what his whole thing is. And I knew I had watched the Hulu show, which we're going to talk about. I think I was just more interested with how strange it seemed. Like something was captured on film that can't be explained. 00:04:59 Speaker 3: Yes. 00:05:00 Speaker 2: I think that's what really brought me in. I was more. 00:05:05 Speaker 1: And I wasn't intrigued by the idea that he, Nathan Fielder, had met someone who he could not crack down. so i i thought like that was like a two people coming together like he'd finally met his match or something. 00:05:20 Speaker 3: An immovable object in an unstoppable force. 00:05:25 Speaker 1: Yes exactly exactly um so what about. 00:05:31 Speaker 2: You rima and then we'll get. 00:05:33 Speaker 3: To you yes i am a fan Nathan Fielder. So I've been checked in for a little for a while. I watched Nathan for you. I watched the rehearsal. I have not seen The Curse, which is the Emma Stone, Nathan Fielder show. I haven't seen that, but I will. So when this came out, and also I know of Lance Oppenheim, the Not super well, honestly, but I knew of him. So when this came out, I was like, same boat. I was like, we need to go see this immediately because I will not be spoiled anything. 00:06:07 Speaker 2: I would be so mad. 00:06:08 Speaker 3: And I'm so glad that that happened because there were so many things that if that was spoiled to me, I would be mad. So yeah, I was excited for it and I've seen it twice now. 00:06:23 Speaker 2: In a week, I guess. The week it's come out. 00:06:27 Speaker 5: So it's only been out for a week? I haven't just checked out, I'm not. 00:06:30 Speaker 1: Going to lie. It came out the 17th, 18th? 00:06:33 Speaker 3: Yeah, like 10 days ago, as of today's recording. 00:06:37 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:06:39 Speaker 4: Yes. 00:06:40 Speaker 1: Well, Samantha has a different experience and also something that I found kind of humorous, but also I feel bad about. 00:06:49 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:06:51 Speaker 5: Oh, my gosh. 00:06:51 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:06:52 Speaker 5: That caveat. Wow. Yeah. 00:06:56 Speaker 4: Oh, no. 00:06:56 Speaker 2: I hope you'll share. 00:07:01 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, our listeners know very much. I cannot stand cringe. 00:07:06 Speaker 5: Oh, no. It hurts me. It hurts me. 00:07:09 Speaker 4: Secondhand embarrassment, like, kills me to the point that I know exactly who Nathan Fielder is. My partner who loves all of this and then finds it even like even the Jon Stewart Daily Show level of cringe of like them going to obviously not antagonize, but like talk to people who they know are going to say something real out of pocket. But they love to thrive. And like, but it makes me cringe so badly that I'm like, I can't. 00:07:33 Speaker 5: It hurts me. 00:07:34 Speaker 4: So I did try to watch because he loves Nathan for you so much. And the first 15 minutes, I don't even know which episode it was. I was like, no, turn it off. 00:07:43 Speaker 2: Turn it off. 00:07:43 Speaker 5: I can't. I can't. 00:07:44 Speaker 4: Nope. 00:07:45 Speaker 3: Nope. 00:07:46 Speaker 4: So like I have avoided Nathan Fielder like the plague. Like he is, if there's an opposite, if there's an arch enemy, he is my arch enemy. 00:07:54 Speaker 5: Like in like the most, yeah, ridiculous. 00:07:57 Speaker 4: Like the entire time we were watching this movie, my expression of like just every time he would do something where I just watch him like, why is he doing this? 00:08:06 Speaker 5: I hate him so much. Like that was my reaction. 00:08:09 Speaker 1: It was fun for me because I was sitting in between my two friends, Samantha and Katie, who were both like, this is too awkward. 00:08:16 Speaker 2: I can't see it. 00:08:16 Speaker 1: And I would just look over at both of them and they'd be cringing into their seats. 00:08:21 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. It was great. 00:08:23 Speaker 4: So I had, I always take like a cardigan or some kind of sweater or jacket so that I can like cover myself. 00:08:29 Speaker 5: I don't know why. I just need to because like I need to be able to hide. 00:08:31 Speaker 4: And I definitely was hiding in my cardigan going, no, why? Wow. To the point that it was quite funny when we got home, my partner was looking at his watch and he was showing me that he had a little bit of stress. Like, you know, we have the smart watches and I looked to see what mine was. And the spike during the movie of my stress level, I had to take a screenshot because it was so ridiculous that it was, I didn't realize it was measuring me that much. And to the point that when I'm on the drive home, I was driving home, you know, that moment, like we just had this when something's about to happen or something, you know, you're nervous about something or you're waiting on something. That anxiety was within me the entire time last night that I had to go take my, like, anti-anxiety because I was like, Oh, no. I'm not going to be able to, like, get off of this track of, like,

something about to happen to me. You know, that, like, nervousness of expectation because of this movie. And don't get me wrong. I still enjoyed it. Will I ever watch it again? Hell no. 00:09:34 Speaker 5: Will I talk about it? 00:09:35 Speaker 1: Sure. 00:09:36 Speaker 5: Am I getting a little anxious as we speak about it right now? Yes. 00:09:41 Speaker 2: I didn't realize we were putting you through the wringer, getting you to watch this. 00:09:44 Speaker 3: I was just like, oh, this is going to be so fun for everyone involved. 00:09:50 Speaker 5: This is the thing. 00:09:51 Speaker 4: Of course, obviously, in all of the world and all its problems, this is just a me thing. This is specifically like there. are several people who talk about this, like, that cringe. Like, I'm that person who couldn't watch The Office until it came out on streaming, and I have to get spoilers so I can figure out when to skip. 00:10:12 Speaker 2: The Office? 00:10:13 Speaker 4: The Office, the comedy, yeah. Because, like, think about Scott's Tots, right? 00:10:18 Speaker 2: That was hard to watch. Right. 00:10:20 Speaker 4: Stuff like that, where he does those moments that you're just like, I can't do this. So this is absolutely, it's not my worst nightmare, but it's definitely like that haunted house feeling of like running away from something in absolute absolute fear. 00:10:38 Speaker 2: So this is that level for me. 00:10:41 Speaker 3: Nathan Fielder being Samantha's biggest op. 00:10:45 Speaker 5: It's really funny to me. At this point, yes. 00:10:48 Speaker 4: I feel like he's personally trying to attack me by doing this. The shots, the close-ups, the silence, the way that he was trying to pretend like he was flirting, but also pretending like the awkwardness at putting in, the heightened awkwardness because he knows that the audience is going to react this way. It feels like a personal attack, yes. 00:11:08 Speaker 3: And I will even say that in this movie, I think he was on his best behavior. 00:11:13 Speaker 2: Like, I think from all of the. 00:11:15 Speaker 5: And maybe that's why I was like, okay with it. 00:11:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, like, all of the content I've watched from him, this seemed to me like the least of him being in his character. 00:11:25 Speaker 2: Right. 00:11:26 Speaker 3: And maybe closer to just how he is. Obviously, there was a lot of, like, moments that I think he's still doing it. But, like, he was the most normal he's been, I feel like. 00:11:37 Speaker 4: I mean, when he actually gets a little emotional or tries to rile some emotion out of Elizabeth, I feel like that was not necessarily him being himself, but it's taking him out of the character that we know. So it made him a little more human to me and not, again, my enemy. But the shots of him being in the window, just staring in, I was like, you son of a bitch. And I know Oppenheim is also the director and he does this, but the intense close-ups, the way it kind of just micro-stepped forward, like the micro-movements of him getting in, I'm like, I really hate you. This is also one of those movies, and this is why going to the theater is different, because I like to be distracted on something, so if I need to ignore it, I can. I have my phone. But this is also one of those that I couldn't do that, obviously, at the theater. So I'm like, huh, huh. 00:12:32 Speaker 5: Like I did. I started talking out loud because I was uncomfortable. 00:12:37 Speaker 2: This is exposure therapy. 00:12:40 Speaker 5: It really was. And in like in such a way. 00:12:43 Speaker 4: But but again, like this is something that I think is a good discussion in general. 00:12:48 Speaker 5: But I was like, why? But I can't not. There has to be a way for me to work this out. 00:12:53 Speaker 3: It was shot extremely uncomfortably. It's very claustrophobic, very tight. Whenever the camera is kind of panned to having more than one person on the screen, it's kind. 00:13:06 Speaker 2: Of like a sigh of relief. 00:13:07 Speaker 1: Right, exactly. 00:13:08 Speaker 2: You're like, finally. 00:13:11 Speaker 3: But it also captures all of these micro-expressions. It really can get people to just like... try to decipher these people that are so undecipherable. 00:13:22 Speaker 4: Right. 00:13:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough. 00:13:24 Speaker 5: It's a thing. But I survived it. It did. 00:13:28 Speaker 4: Like, there was, again, this is also one of those that I knew the more spoilers would be worse. I did want to be able to see what was unexpected, to have that initial reaction, because that's, like, everyone's conversation. And sometimes you're like, okay, yeah, this is, because it's a documentary. How else are you, you know, like, you don't expect twists and turns. Again, Nathan Fielder is in his own, like, realm, in his own world. So, like, obviously he's going to try it. But as expectations, because as I'm reading, like, oh, he had a kill switch for the documentary if he couldn't get exactly how he wanted it to be and we know again as little as I might know of him I know him well enough to know that he needs to be able to flip it somehow to something unexpected. 00:14:16 Speaker 2: And boy did he. 00:14:21 Speaker 1: I kept saying this is a wild film like and it's a documentary but it has all these twists and turns you're not expecting the second half I just can't How could I anticipate this? 00:14:38 Speaker 3: When she went to prison, I was like, has it been three hours? I knew the runtime. I was like, how is this going to keep going? And little did I know. 00:14:48 Speaker 5: That it actually does keep going. 00:14:51 Speaker 1: I knew that Amanda Seyfried was in it. I had no idea the. 00:14:58 Speaker 2: Big role she was going to play. I thought she was just going to be a cameo. 00:15:01 Speaker 1: I didn't know it was going to be like, her reprising that role again. 00:15:07 Speaker 2: I had no idea she was in it. 00:15:10 Speaker 5: Oh my gosh.

00:15:12 Speaker 2: So for listeners who don't know, Amanda Seyfried played Elizabeth Holmes in the Hulu show, The Dropout, about Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos and all of the things that happened there, which does become a point in this movie about how fictionalized it was or wasn't, but also she becomes a part of reenacting, coming back into this role as Elizabeth Holmes when Elizabeth Holmes is in jail, which is probably one of the biggest shocks to me, but also a really fascinating thing of her perspective on and how it's colored. 00:16:03 Speaker 1: By Nathan Fielder's perspective on what he said to Elizabeth Holmes. 00:16:20 Speaker 4: So at this point, for the listeners, do you want to break it down or how do you want to go about this? Because obviously we just said one of the biggest surprises in this movie, which is Amanda Seyfried, who. 00:16:32 Speaker 4: I also had seen an interview because now she's on the red carpet for other things. And they asked her, they're like, so we're not going to talk about it, but the new documentary. And she was like, uh-huh. And that's all they say. That's kind of the end of it. But yeah, it was unexpected. Again, because the way they make it seem, which I'm really glad since we know, is that it's just a pop-up cameo. 00:16:55 Speaker 5: Not realizing what it was becoming. 00:16:57 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:16:58 Speaker 3: Yes. 00:17:00 Speaker 2: So have either of you seen the dropout, the show? 00:17:03 Speaker 4: No. 00:17:05 Speaker 2: No, actually. I have. 00:17:07 Speaker 1: It's been a long time, but we're going to talk about it a little bit. I wanted to discuss kind of a two or maybe the larger part issue, but like a question of the role of the Watcher, which I feel like this movie has of, you know, what as the documentarian is your role? 00:17:27 Speaker 2: When do you step in? 00:17:27 Speaker 1: When does. 00:17:29 Speaker 1: Your relationship with the person you're covering, impact what gets shown. But also with the dropout and Amanda Savory, she has this point that it's fictional, it's fictional, it's fictional, and she kind of gets prickly about it at one point. And so what's the responsibility there of a fictional show that has had... I went into this movie thinking I kind of understood the story based on that show. And I left thinking, I don't know. 00:18:05 Speaker 2: So any thoughts on that? 00:18:09 Speaker 4: I mean, this is where we have to talk about true crime stories, in essence, in that understanding. When we dramatize something for entertainment, it's actually based on real people. People have been affected. It's not just a what-if scenario. It was in my imagination. And so there's a responsibility in how it's told. And it does come to the larger conversation about like it affects people. 00:18:34 Speaker 5: This lie does like really taint a view. 00:18:38 Speaker 4: It's kind of that whole thing, a narrative when we talk about with trials, when we have TikTok detectives or social media detectives who come through and think they're investigating, but they're doing it based on an idea. 00:18:50 Speaker 5: Maybe that is portrayed or based on a lie. 00:18:53 Speaker 4: Same thing here. and then making the situation either worse or better. Like, you know, that's kind of that whole thing with the women who have been, who are suing the lawyer. The whole smear campaign is this perspective. So, or this ideal, and if they just have enough of an influence out there, it changes some outcomes. And it's kind of like what we see with the dropout, what both Amanda and Elizabeth both have to say, and that Amanda's like, I play the character. I played a character that was given to me in a script based on someone's assumptions and ideas, loosely based ideas, which is why we have to have loosely based on these characters. We have to have those because people got sued. People got really upset when they didn't do that. When we had a whole lifetime who did a whole network based on true crime and sensationalizing a lot of things. And then we do have someone, Elizabeth, who, again, I've not seen much of the dropout. I just know tidbits about her life. And she is painted as a villain, just in narrative form. And it could have been partially due to the Hulu series, the dropout. 00:20:06 Speaker 1: Yes, I'm glad you put it that way. I think one of the reasons, I've been wondering why this movie has caused so much conversation. 00:20:14 Speaker 2: And I think one of the reasons is that. 00:20:19 Speaker 1: A lot of people like me went in thinking you're going to get this one, you're going to get the story of her, the villain. But then it becomes like almost sympathetic to her. And I think it's interesting that you see Nathan Fielder go through a shift in what I perceive as a shift in his perspective. And then the audience kind of similarly going through that. 00:20:46 Speaker 2: And then at the end, I. 00:20:49 Speaker 1: Was left with, okay, has she manipulated me, the audience member? 00:20:55 Speaker 2: Like, has.... 00:20:58 Speaker 1: What from this is true from this documentary versus what I've already seen and. 00:21:05 Speaker 4: Heard, it. 00:21:07 Speaker 1: Just feels like a real... Like I came out of hypnosis or something. I don't know what to make of this. I don't know what to make of it. 00:21:16 Speaker 2: I agree. 00:21:17 Speaker 3: And it's really interesting because obviously I think that this story is a bit twofold of like she and she's literally guilty of this defrauded people. 00:21:34 Speaker 2: I don't really care. About people defrauding investors. 00:21:37 Speaker 5: I said the exact same thing. I said the exact same thing. 00:21:41 Speaker 2: I don't care. But she defrauded patients. 00:21:46 Speaker 3: And that's kind of what happens when you're in biotech and you're making promises to to people that you can't come up with really. And people were taking these tests and it colored my viewing because she's so good at being

so sympathetic. And you can literally, I think, see it happen to Nathan in real time, watching him kind of like defend her in a way. It's so strange because he obviously doesn't. He clearly, at some point during the process, sees Billy as the villain here and maybe sees Elizabeth as misunderstood. And maybe in a lot of ways she is, but she did do something bad and hurt people. But also I think that in our society right now, people love to vilify women firstly, and really try to take apart any successful woman. And, you know, from that whole situation, she obviously was the CEO and deserves in a way to be vilified too. 00:22:49 Speaker 2: And so there were. 00:22:50 Speaker 3: We're really like running through a bunch of different thoughts and feelings. And at the end of the day, I don't care about a billionaire. Maybe she's not a billionaire anymore, but she certainly was. And I think the money conversation in the movie was so interesting to me, where it really, you can either think that she doesn't care at all about the money at all, or she could think that she sent her husband in to make the business plans so she. 00:23:22 Speaker 2: Wouldn't be culpable. 00:23:24 Speaker 3: And I can't really answer any questions, which is what I think I expected more answers from this documentary and simply left with more questions. 00:23:34 Speaker 4: No, I think that's... Well, this is a perspective I had on the entire movie because, again, there's a lot. But, like, as Billy is, obviously, if there was a villain in this conversation, it is him. 00:23:48 Speaker 5: As we see it, especially towards the end. 00:23:49 Speaker 2: Her boyfriend. He sucks. 00:23:51 Speaker 5: But at the. 00:23:52 Speaker 4: Same time, he is the most honest of them. Like, the reason we can hate him as much as he is, he really doesn't try to hide himself. 00:24:01 Speaker 5: Interesting. Whether it's a red pill tech. 00:24:05 Speaker 4: Bro coming in to talk about how he's a man and how he knows everything and how he's going to fix everything, whether he's talking about his power of attorney and not filing, but just admitting, yeah, I'd do the tweets. 00:24:18 Speaker 5: I'm the one who did this. It's not her. 00:24:20 Speaker 4: Or I don't tell her things like he is the most honest of all of them. Let's just be very clear. Like we know where he stands. We know who he is. We know he's about that money. He says it from jump. He says that like we find out that he's told Nathan this. He's the one that cuts things off. He's the one that's like, I don't care about AI. I'm gonna make it. It's gonna happen anyway, so let's go ahead and do this. They're definitely gonna use this for sex. Oh, well. Like, he says the only thing he might have been dishonest about is I doubt he's been quote-unquote faithful and celibate since Elizabeth's incarceration. 00:24:57 Speaker 5: I'm gonna leave it at that. But, like. 00:25:00 Speaker 3: He said, 900 days I've been counting. 00:25:04 Speaker 5: And I'm

like, okay, bro, sure. 00:25:06 Speaker 4: But to be very, like, Like, he's the one who says all the bad things. 00:25:11 Speaker 5: Like, he says it out loud. 00:25:13 Speaker 4: And, like, that's the only times we're getting any confirmation, honestly, of what is happening. It's like, he's the one. I can't stand him. He is the worst. I think, like, he probably will always be a villain. There's nothing about himself that's redeeming in any of this. 00:25:32 Speaker 5: But we know his true face. 00:25:36 Speaker 3: And it's crazy you say true face because I feel like the... So the movie has a two-year time jump. And you can literally see on his face his descent to... Or like his unmasking in a way. His face looks different the second half of the movie. 00:25:55 Speaker 2: It's bloated. He is paranoid. From my point of view... allegedly is. 00:26:03 Speaker 3: Probably doing a lot of cocaine. 00:26:06 Speaker 2: Yeah. Can I say that on the podcast? 00:26:10 Speaker 3: Allegedly, because that man was sniffing and his pupils were crazy. 00:26:16 Speaker 5: He was erratic, combative. 00:26:19 Speaker 2: He was erratic. He was paranoid. Yeah. Just like a really not great guy. 00:26:27 Speaker 3: But in a way, I'm like, and I obviously don't want any women to be with a bad guy. 00:26:34 Speaker 2: But in a way, I'm like, wow. 00:26:36 Speaker 3: Are they like perfectly paired and matched? Like that ending scene where she's kind of telling Nathan, like, listen, I don't care what he does. Like we have an understanding in a way. It's hard to know what is true or not coming out of her mouth. But she seems so truthful every time she. 00:27:02 Speaker 4: Talks okay so amy as we because like there are several things that you and i've talked about that's bringing up uh when we're especially like we were talking about his face changing we were like there's something different here like what were your thoughts on because i know you every time we would sit there billy would just talk she would just point and go this guy this guy throughout the entire movie it's. 00:27:26 Speaker 2: True it's true so. 00:27:31 Speaker 1: When I originally wanted to just, I was just going to do a happy hour in a really short thing. I wanted to talk about how I was not expecting this guy. It feels naive now looking back because it's like tech. 00:27:45 Speaker 4: Sure. 00:27:45 Speaker 1: I should have expected some manosphere bro to show up. And boy, did he, boy, did he, uh, I thought it was fascinating to see it in theaters. I highly recommend seeing it in theaters. I feel bad if I'm telling you this now, listeners, I've already ruined it, but Because people reacted so viscerally to him. When he brings out the Charlie Kirk reference, I mean, it was people gassed. 00:28:14 Speaker 2: One lady was like, no, sir. 00:28:17 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:28:18 Speaker 2: My theater was animated. 00:28:19 Speaker 4: Yes. 00:28:20 Speaker 2: The first time. 00:28:21 Speaker 1: And the one Samantha

and I went to last night, it was also animated. But people really, just like Nathan Fielder seemingly did, main him. He's the villain. He's the main villain. And there's something about that I find really, really intriguing because there's a lot of themes about control in this movie. Who controls what? And he is very controlling about the narrative he wants out. He's controlling about her image. But it's also, there's something about the tension between a social narrative and of women being liars versus she's actually a liar, and also him being the villain, the controlling boyfriend, are we minimizing, in a weird way, her power? 00:29:13 Speaker 5: Right. 00:29:15 Speaker 1: Like, are we taking away kind of her. 00:29:21 Speaker 2: As you said, Rima, we don't know. 00:29:23 Speaker 1: Maybe she meant for him to be the fall guy, to not have culpability. But are we painting her as this kind of, oh, she's being controlled. She didn't know person when that's not the story there. 00:29:41 Speaker 2: I know. 00:29:42 Speaker 5: So here's my theory. 00:29:44 Speaker 4: And I've kind of shared with both of you, Annie and my partner, because, you know, you can't walk away from this movie not talking about it, which is where we are today, which is also like I have to say that because we're going to end up having a discussion. 00:29:57 Speaker 5: I'm just going to stay here going, what? 00:29:59 Speaker 1: But. 00:30:01 Speaker 4: My inclination in this moment, especially as we kind of had a back-end reveal, again, listeners, you've already probably gotten completely spoiled and we're going to have to go back and let you know, don't do this. 00:30:14 Speaker 5: But, I mean, I try to put it in there. 00:30:16 Speaker 4: But one of the back-end things is her really, like, I think a lot of people expected kind of that when he reveals all these bad things that Billie is doing that she didn't know about and Billie admits to saying she doesn't care, she doesn't know. 00:30:30 Speaker 5: She really reacted with like, it's fine, it's fine. Yeah, yeah, we're fine. Yeah, it's fine. 00:30:35 Speaker 4: Nothing was shocking as he relays it to us. Now we don't see this as it is relayed to us that it seems like she's just like, eh, it is what it is. With that type of reveal, instead of being like, oh my God, I'm so mad at him. No, he lied to me or any of those, like what we thought would be a normal reaction. 00:30:53 Speaker 5: It doesn't come. And then we have. 00:30:56 Speaker 4: Again, a dramatized moment of Amanda Seyfried playing into it and just giving him the look, a look of like, we understand each other while Nathan looks still vaguely confused, trying to figure out what that meant almost. Like, but like, to me, it seems like I absolutely think that if she can be in love emotionally and detached, that she is in love with Billy. But I think she also is really in love with the idea that she knows she married a villain or she's partnering with the villain and that

will always obviously be the villain. And in comparison to, she will look calm and demure and just kind of goofy. You know, like when we have the who's on first reference, she reacts in a way that makes you think, oh, maybe there's some neurodivergence here that she just really does not understand and cannot read these things. Or is it that she's playing into that and or maybe that she just didn't want to seem unintelligent, so was afraid to answer, give the wrong answer. Like, I had those moments of like, I think I know what you're trying to get at, but you're trying to get at it so hard that if I get it wrong, it's going to be bad. So I'm just going to give you generic answers. All of that to say, could it be that that groundwork is understanding that she's playing an opponent or a person in her life as a side character that will enhance her As an individual. And is Billy that person who is so inevitably awful? He is so awful and she is very aware of it. But he's not awful to her and she looks great in comparison. Is she playing into that? 00:32:40 Speaker 1: Well, that's kind of the quote that they start the movie with and end the movie with. The New York Times quote that's disputed. Did she create a character or was a character created. 00:32:52 Speaker 2: By the media for her? 00:32:55 Speaker 1: Which I think is really interesting because I think that does get to the heart of why we can't figure her out and why I do, I think, Nathan couldn't figure her out either. I think it ends with him being like, oh, I could not, I could not figure this person out. And I'm glad you're here, Rima, since you're familiar with his work, but I do know there was a conversation about neurodivergence in this movie. And he's been kind of open about that and his experience with it. Who's on first reference where she just doesn't get it? At least that's what she's trying to convey is fascinating. Because I think in that moment, he also has another moment where he's like, so you're saying you believe you weren't misleading anybody by using the word could. This machine could be. cure or test for all of these kinds of things. And I feel like it was a real take on, like, neurodivergent. 00:34:03 Speaker 2: Like, is she. 00:34:04 Speaker 1: Is this real? I know. 00:34:07 Speaker 2: I absolutely agree. 00:34:08 Speaker 3: I mean, there were certainly parts where I was watching this and I was like, yeah, this, you know... Another, this woman is a part of a spectrum somewhere of neurodivergence. But again, like, I feel like I was along on the ride of believing her and not believing her the same way Nathan was. And I think that's kind of what was genius about how they presented the doc. Me knowing that she's literally been indicted for lying. And yet believing that she has never lied. It's just, it's crazy. Who knows, you know? And it's just interesting seeing that happen to somebody who is usually on the other end of it. And I think it's like really interesting when Nathan is first talking to Amanda and he says something to her like, don't let her get you. 00:34:58 Speaker 2: Don't fall for it. 00:35:00 Speaker 3: And then about an hour later in the movie, we see Amanda kind of run that back to him. and ask him whether he's been withholding things because he cares about her. And I think the actually most damning reveal in the whole movie is the reveal that he went into the ocean with her to play. 00:35:21 Speaker 2: When he said he didn't want to. As friends do. Yeah, as homies do, you know? 00:35:28 Speaker 3: And at that point, like, you're, as an interviewee, when you're engaged with a subject like that, like it's no longer unbiased. 00:35:38 Speaker 2: Or maybe it never was. 00:35:42 Speaker 3: But yeah, it's an interesting question, the question of her neurodivergence, even with her like eye contact. 00:35:49 Speaker 2: And it's just, what is it? What's real? 00:35:52 Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys have read the New York Times article in question. 00:35:58 Speaker 2: I read it recently after the movie. 00:36:03 Speaker 3: And interestingly enough, I'll send it to you guys. The writer, Amy Chozik, I think, also spent a lot of time with Elizabeth and Billy and kind of went on a journey like Nathan. And it comes out that like people who spend time with her typically end up believing her in some way. and having to remind themselves who they're dealing with. But I found that really interesting because the writer had spent multiple days. It wasn't just one sit-down interview. They spent time together. And you can see in the article kind of this exact up and down that Nathan had, but in article form. I was kind of like, that's kind of really funny. I'm imagining the writer watching this doc and being like, I already did this. 00:36:53 Speaker 2: Where are my accolades? 00:37:04 Speaker 4: I think coming back to the neurodivergence, because Nathan Fielder, his shtick, and not that he doesn't have any kind of neurodivergency or he's not on a spectrum, he plays into it in a way that causes that tension, that cringe comedy, the cringe comedy that he very much enjoys. And it's kind of like, it's brought in from like the UK idea of the straight laced, a sarcasm that doesn't always translate well universally. And we see him in that way because we know he is an awkward guy. He knows he's an awkward guy. And what that means and how that translates, especially in a world of comedy, his comedy is unique. His comedy is very much interactive. But this interaction has to be the willingness to be uncomfortable with everyone. What does that look like if you do have neurodivergence? And so you are playing into that or you are amplifying that. And this is what he does. So you bring in someone who may be a sociopath who is a different type of diagnosis, who may have a different type of diagnosis. 00:38:18 Speaker 5: Him as well. 00:38:19 Speaker 4: He also has a different type of diagnosis from what you can see, just from

the small background that I have in the world of, you know, DSM-IV, DM-V, whatever, whatnot, like you see that there is a level where that spectrum is, where his self-awareness is, is absolutely hidden. He keeps his background. He keeps his private life truly, truly private because if he can delve into that, you can start understanding where is he actually this person that he portrays. And even though he absolutely says it's not necessarily that, you just don't know where the line is. You don't know the levels. We don't know how far on the spectrum that he is actually on versus what he's playing up for comedy's sake. Now, you put that in a documentary with a crime that does legitimately have hurt, harmed people. 00:39:13 Speaker 5: Someone had died by suicide. Annie, you are the one who let me know that. It was portrayed in the dropout. 00:39:21 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:39:22 Speaker 5: And I was like, oh, okay. 00:39:23 Speaker 4: And I read about it and like it was Like, I'm actually surprised that she didn't get charged with a negligent homicide somehow, or like at least some type of level of like negligence in the workplace. Again, I'm with you, Rima. And I said the same thing. I was like, I don't care if investors got defrauded. Y'all are trying to make money off of people's healthcare. And that really makes me mad. However, I do care that people who were seeking their life-changing technologies. As a scientist who bring change, he died because he couldn't handle or whatever the stressors in this timeline was for him. And if his work in this company really pushed him to that, then they should be held accountable. The people who were banking on these tests or were a part of the testing who got harmed in some way. 00:40:13 Speaker 5: Absolutely should get justice, but they didn't. 00:40:15 Speaker 4: The reason she went to jail was because of the investors, because of the money lost which is in itself a whole injustice. But her realm of complete denial, and then you have a comedian who plays into social awkwardness, not knowing exactly where this was going to go, but knowing that this was going to be unique. You have so many lines of conversation of like, who is this man that needed to do this? He is an op. Now that I'm digging into it. But who is this man who needed this? But at the same time, he was able to bring out so many questions that we need to kind of recognize when it comes to like our own misogyny. When we look at our own level of social inequalities, again, the dude bro who needed to come in and even talk about his sex life. Like he needed to be like, I can satisfy women. I'm like, what the hell is happening in this conversation? Why do we need to talk about this with you who needed to be naked in front of Nathan to show off his manliness? So they like, like, These questions all came into play into a conversation that really, obviously, she's affected. She's in jail, you know, as well as people who have lost money. We saw his hard parents. I feel like they were the true victim in this conversation. Sure, they probably enabled her in so many ways. But the tension between the father and Billy, the tension of him trying to make excuses for his daughter, the tension of the mother being really uncomfortable by the idea that they're trying to do this again, which, by the way, we need to talk about too. But they're trying to do this ploy again, which has already ruined her life. There's so many things to this realm of this documentary that just kind of expounds into a real background of, Who she has hurt, but also how Nathan is kind of profiting and gaining credibility in this as well. 00:42:11 Speaker 3: I feel like everyone is using each other at all times in this movie. I think he knows, Nathan knows that this will be, you know, people are very curious and interested in this story. People are really into trying to figure out Elizabeth Holmes. But do you believe that she had no idea who he was when they agreed to have him be a part of their home and interview? We're talking about someone who, you know, invented... this company at the age of 19. She is, you know, was at Stanford. Like, she's smart, obviously. It's a little interesting to me that her and Billy are, say they don't know who Nathan is, or I don't know if Billy says that, but I do think that everyone knows what the other is doing for them. And I find it like a very interesting relationship, whereas Amanda Seyfried says at the end, it's complicated. I was like, yeah, girl, it's been three hours of complicated. This is crazy. 00:43:29 Speaker 1: So that's a really great review of it. 00:43:33 Speaker 2: Three hours of complicated. 00:43:35 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:43:37 Speaker 3: And the whole second half or even the whole movie is about her trying to reclaim her image of how important that is to her, how she hates how it's been used and how this character has been created, either by the media or by her ex-partner and the ex-CFO, what was his name? Sonny at Theranos, that he created. But then we see on the flip side, Billie actively using her image for crazy stuff and her being okay with that. I think the question of who Elizabeth is versus Liz is really interesting. And I'm not a fan of the New York Times generally, but that whole article really goes into that. 00:44:36 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:44:37 Speaker 1: One of the things that I think could be a whole episode on itself but i was thinking about was um in the dropout they go out of their way to make it to portray it as if like elizabeth's voice the reason she does that is it's a man's world like she's got to have the deep voice like and she wears these outfits because it's a man's world and steven job like that it's steve jobs that kind of calls back to him so her it's a fictional show so i don't know but in the show it's represented as if she was she was creating this character but also it goes back to that tension we were talking about earlier of. 00:45:30 Speaker 2:

She's a woman in an industry where you might need. 00:45:33 Speaker 1: To do that like it it's so strange and then also the she has that line at the end where She calls out Amanda Seyfried, and it's like, why would she take down another woman like that? And then her dad also just kind of, out of the blue, just brings up, oh, she was raped, and that's why she was like that. That's why she behaves this way. And so it's just a real, it's complicated, because I don't want to dismiss that these were pressures, and these are things that might have happened. 00:46:06 Speaker 2: But also, I think she lied. I think she's a liar. I think she's a liar. 00:46:13 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a nice reminder that people are capable of all types of things, you know, and are both victim and oppressor at the same time in a lot of ways, especially when there is billions of dollars involved. and just like how money can truly color something so intensely when like I'm sure I don't know her I don't know her motives but it's hard to believe she didn't care about the money of it all ever and I think that it's an yeah just an example of how money can push us to be the worst versions of ourselves. And at the same time, like, you can still be... All those other things about her could still be true, you know? 00:47:14 Speaker 1: Right. 00:47:15 Speaker 3: And I think that's especially hard when you are having a personal relationship with someone like that. Because when you have a personal relationship to most people, I think you'll be like, oh, this person's, like, normal. Because at the end of the day, a lot of the villains that run our society. 00:47:36 Speaker 3: Could probably have a normal conversation with you. I'm just on my soapbox now. But I just find it really interesting. I find our interest in her very interesting, myself included. I didn't watch the show, but I watched a ton of YouTube videos about her when this was happening, and I was really intrigued by this, like, as she says, character. 00:48:00 Speaker 2: And, yeah. 00:48:03 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:48:04 Speaker 1: You also brought up Rima. You sent us an article about the prison aspect of this movie that I wanted to touch on. 00:48:12 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like the most sympathetic I was to her the whole movie is the you know, the fact that going to being incarcerated is a terrible, terrible thing. And I was talking about this with my partner, that the moments, the phone call she received. 00:48:43 Speaker 2: Where she was kind. 00:48:43 Speaker 3: Of learning about what an intensive search is that she would be having to wake up at 3 a.m., all of these extremely dehumanizing aspects of the incarceration system in this country, how awful that must be. For even a person guilty of defrauding investors legally and then also guilty of hurting people even though that didn't go through in the courts. It is a very sympathetic thing to watch a mother say and cry about the milk that she left for herself. child that she's not going to see grow up on a day-to-day basis. 00:49:25 Speaker 2: Like, it's terrible. 00:49:26 Speaker 3: But she also probably has it the best of in terms of like where she was sent and the conditions that she's in. And she is like a white person at the end of the day who has money or had and had lawyers and had like all these things that aren't always the case or not even usually the case for the incarceration in this country. And I think that the movie is interesting in that it takes her away from being in the movie And I think it's like a harrowing kind of depiction of what it's like to be incarcerated in this country. And I think it's her relationship with her upcoming incarceration in the movie at the beginning and then the effects of it at the second half is very harrowing to watch. And I could, you know, obviously there's levels to all these things. But yeah, like, jail's that's crazy. That sucks for everyone. It's not a good system. It shouldn't be how it is in this country. 00:50:35 Speaker 2: And it's terrible. 00:50:36 Speaker 3: And she's just, she's in jail. And again, she was guilty. And we could get into the whole topic of incarceration in the United States. But man, she's not getting rehabilitated she's not like she's it's it's none of those things you know um she still has this idea and dream of rebuilding something and she said she's gonna work on it every day in jail and it's like that's not what she needs you know she needed some sort of rehabilitation um and that's just not what our prisons provide. 00:51:23 Speaker 5: No, yeah. 00:51:23 Speaker 4: The prison system is a whole conversation we need to have. We talked about the juvenile delinquency system and the fact that it is built on private profits and private corporations here in the U.S. and how much money our administration is making currently off of these. And it's not true rehabilitation. Should we be funding true rehabilitation? Yeah, if we actually took all the money that's going into these lockups, the amount of change that could be made. 00:51:50 Speaker 5: But that's a whole conversation. different conversation. 00:51:54 Speaker 4: Here, it's interesting because you did bring up, she's a white woman, and there's a lot of discourse about the fact that this could only happen with a blue-eyed, blonde-haired white woman to have this conversation of sympathy and a discourse about whether or not she is sympathetic, whether or not she is the victim here versus being told she was manipulative and all of these things, like just that one simple conversation, because we could not have the story if this was a woman of color, specifically like Black women or women, Middle Eastern women in general, Latino women. 00:52:29 Speaker 5: I think like Asian women. 00:52:31 Speaker 4: They're the epitome of aegyo in that level of like cuteness. So cuteness can get you a certain amount of time of certain like stretch of things where the innocence happens. 00:52:42

Speaker 5: Can be portrayed. 00:52:43 Speaker 4: But we know when it comes to women of color, that's not often given in any realm. So it is a bigger conversation of who is allowed this. She is in jail. She is obviously, people are still saying, no, she really is not a great. So it's not like she's like scot-free in any way of like responsibility. But the fact that this is a back and forth about Nathan Fielder too, like Does he believe her? Did he get manipulated by her? Is he now kind of more on her side? Like, how did that go about? Could that have happened if this was a Black woman? Or could that have happened if this was, you know, a Muslim woman? Like, is this an actual thing? Or is this like a part of the bias that needs to be talked about on a wider gap? A lot of like, like I said, on TikTok, I've seen Black women coming like, this is something that we could not relate to. This is not for me. This entire thing is showing me, again, how bad the system is broken on a different level once again. And just like you were saying, like, in her level of trying to be a little more sympathetic in, like, in this conversation of, like, we want, we do feel bad for her because, yeah, it was heartbreaking to see her cry about the fact that she has milk in the refrigerator for her daughter because she was not going to be able to breastfeed her. So, like, I had this saved up in trying to be a mother. But it's also convenient that all the times that she needs to go away or stop a conversation, most of the times it's whether it's like having to rock the baby or having to breastfeed the baby or having to go help the baby or going to go lay down. It almost went into overtime to show how loving she was. And I can't remember, Annie or Rima, if you remember, when she was initially convicted, I thought at one point she was actually supposed to go to prison earlier, but then they found out she was pregnant and she was able to postpone until after the birth of the baby. 00:54:49 Speaker 5: Did that happen or did that just make that up in my head? 00:54:52 Speaker 3: They postponed, I think, the trial because she was late in her pregnancy. And so they postponed it to after she had given birth and things like that. 00:55:07 Speaker 4: Right. 00:55:07 Speaker 5: Which is legitimate. 00:55:08 Speaker 2: Which is legitimate. 00:55:09 Speaker 5: Stress is bad. Yeah. But did she time that? 00:55:13 Speaker 4: I know. 00:55:14 Speaker 3: I think that's definitely a good question because she had, and then she had her second kid as well. But also, if she knows that her incarceration is coming, maybe she doesn't know at the time, but like in that article, the New York Times article, oh, I hate shouting out the New York Times. 00:55:34 Speaker 2: I hate it. 00:55:35 Speaker 3: But she says that like, Her and Billy wanted a big family and didn't want to wait to see what happens, basically. I do want to shout out, because I'm done shouting out the New York Times. This article that

Annie was referencing earlier, I should have mentioned, is a Brooklyn Mag article written by Ock Sportello. I'm sorry if that's not the right way to pronounce your name. You can see everything unless you're in prison. It's a great read, honestly. That kind of... Yeah, it brings about a lot of these questions about how incarceration is shown in the movie. 00:56:17 Speaker 2: It's a good article. I would recommend it. I don't know Brooklyn Mag that heavily or anything. 00:56:22 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's just so much. 00:56:25 Speaker 4: Because I also want to go back in that conversation about the fact that would she be constantly going back to Theranos and starting it over again, if not for Billy? Would she have actually set it aside, except that he's doing all this extra research to help her? 00:56:41 Speaker 5: He's going to fix it for her, which is, again, very much on par with the tech bro, Red Pill Dune. 00:56:48 Speaker 4: But yeah, this one was definitely one that has me going back and forth because it's also a part of me Which I feel like Nathan Fielder felt this way because he says it at the very beginning of the documentary. He's like, my fear is, my insecurity is that you brought me in, as Annie, you were asking him before. You brought me in thinking because I don't know science well, that I'm not a scientist, that you're going to be able to like get over on me because you think I'm too stupid and ignorant to science to understand what you're doing and when you're lying. And I feel like that's kind of how all of us feel at this point. We're all on edge, which is probably my part of my anxiety is like we don't want to be made a fool of like Amanda and Nathan had said. So we're trying to figure out what is happening and we don't want to be manipulated by either Elizabeth or Nathan at this point. Like we were trying to figure out how to do this because like are y'all trying to make us look stupid here? 00:57:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it is hard to question. I don't know. 00:57:54 Speaker 1: I'm not in that field. I do, you know, we could keep going on and on. I did want to mention, I'm curious, I kind of know the answer, but I've polled, I did an informal poll of all my friends who have seen this movie after a text exchange we had this morning in our group. I was like, okay, who thought there was some kind of romantic sexual tension? 00:58:24 Speaker 2: And explain it to me. 00:58:28 Speaker 1: And I got such fascinating responses. People had such different takes. But the general take was that Elizabeth Holmes was maybe using some kind of attraction or sympathy she has to her advantage to get a romantic attraction. He has that weird line where he randomly is like, I don't have a girlfriend anymore. 00:59:01 Speaker 2: We broke up. 00:59:03 Speaker 1: But that goes back to that tension I keep coming to where it sounds so oh a woman i don't know but she is manipulative. 00:59:14 Speaker 2: It's just. 00:59:16 Speaker 1: I go back and forth about this but i'm just interested your thoughts on this because i do think it's going to be a big halloween couple's costume. 00:59:26 Speaker 3: I want to point out at the very beginning of the movie, they talk about how holding eye contact is her flirtation technique. And then you proceed to watch her hold such insane eye contact with Nathan for like three hours. 00:59:44 Speaker 2: And I'm like, are they flirting? Oh my gosh. So interesting. So strange. 00:59:49 Speaker 3: I think they're both kind of masters of holding eye. the tension without breaking it. And that is in a way kind of creates this like curiosity for us as viewers, because for any other person, you know, you want to break that tension. But when it's held for so long, you're kind of like, wait, do they like this? Like, are they into this right now? And there was a scene when he's saying bye to her, where I genuinely thought they were going in. 01:00:20 Speaker 2: For a kiss. 01:00:21 Speaker 3: Like, I genuinely thought that. And I was holding my hands to my face, like, what has this movie become? 01:00:33 Speaker 4: I literally was like, you know, because it's kind of funny, the little, and then they kiss? 01:00:39 Speaker 5: I know. 01:00:41 Speaker 4: I know. 01:00:43 Speaker 3: And I think this isn't the first time where I feel like with like a subject in one of Nathan's things that there's like this strange chemistry because I do think there is so much energy held in the ability to not break silence. So it's not that I don't think this is the first time that people have been feeling that from him towards a subject and vice versa. But I think she's just literally his like, Yeah, his immovable object. 01:01:17 Speaker 2: Moriarty to his Sherlock Holmes. Exactly. 01:01:21 Speaker 4: Hey. 01:01:22 Speaker 5: There it is. 01:01:23 Speaker 4: No, so what I understand, in one of his, I don't know if it's an episode or one of his movies, Nathan Filder does admit to using. 01:01:32 Speaker 5: His awkwardness as a way to flirt. Like he knows this works. For many. 01:01:37 Speaker 4: And honestly, apparently, so many of the internets want to be his girlfriend and kept talking about how hot he is. I'm like, I'm very angry about that statement. 01:01:46 Speaker 2: Don't talk to me. 01:01:47 Speaker 4: Whoever you are, don't talk to me because I just want to smack him. But I'm just kidding. Please cut that part out. People get mad at me. 01:01:55 Speaker 2: Samantha wants to be violent. 01:01:55 Speaker 5: That's how I got canceled. I just want to smack him. 01:01:59 Speaker 4: But I think like one of the things that I can see is is it may not even be so much the flirtation between the two. Like, I don't think she's trying to seduce him, and I don't necessarily think he's trying to seduce her, but it's that white woman protector field, where it is he wants to be her knight in shining armor, or he's playing into that, and that's what she's hoping. That's why she's hoping,

like, he'll want to protect her. So if he can be protective of her, then the things that he's going to relay to the audience will make everybody else feel that way and somehow rally behind or even revolt for her, actually fight for her somehow to be like, whether it's the social media, she needs to be released. 01:02:43 Speaker 5: I think that's what she's. 01:02:45 Speaker 4: Hoping for is this turning tide of she truly becomes the victim and these white woman tears and this look of intensity. Because I'm... My partner did say, is she wearing, like her eyes are blue, but there's also reflections of contacts, which is fine. She might just wear contacts for sure. But like, does she enhance them so she can have even more of that intense stare and depth because it does bring that level. So if she is, that's another tactic that can be used on other people. And so perhaps one of the things about what she understands about herself is she knows that awkward guys like her whether it's because she does have that intense attention holding gaze or like where they feel like they're being chosen to be her protector once again like i feel like that might be the level of what i'm seeing it's like not just like oh they want each other there's something into that realm of that stereotype or that. 01:03:49 Speaker 1: Trope which is also like Listeners, if you've made it this far, if you don't know the story, I guess, it's also an argument you could make. Did she learn this behavior from Sunny, who was her longtime partner that she got with at a young age? Or did she just know? Like, that's a societal thing. She knows, like, a white woman with blonde hair and blue eyes. Or was she taught it by someone? 01:04:18 Speaker 2: Questions! We're left with more questions. Questions. Add it to the questions list. Well, thank you so much for coming on, Rima. This has been so great. Thanks for having me. This was great. Anytime, anytime. And I'm sure we could come back later. 01:04:37 Speaker 1: Because there's still ongoing news about this right now. Yes. 01:04:41 Speaker 5: I had to look up what Billy's reaction is. He's seen it, apparently. 01:04:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, Billy is in the news. 01:04:46 Speaker 4: Great. 01:04:47 Speaker 2: Billy's in the news. 01:04:48 Speaker 5: He's seen this. He doesn't seem too unhappy. I don't know. 01:04:51 Speaker 3: I wanted to tell you guys something. So you know how their daughter's name is Ivy? 01:04:57 Speaker 2: Yes. 01:04:58 Speaker 3: Her actual name is like Evictus. And so they're calling her Ivy as in like the letters I and then V. 01:05:09 Speaker 4: Oh. 01:05:09 Speaker 2: Not like her name is Ivy. Why Ivy? Like these people are just stupid. Rich people. 01:05:18 Speaker 5: That's insane. They're like, oh yeah, blood, get it? 01:05:25 Speaker 3: It's just all kind of plays into the questions and the characters and what's real and what's not. Like every little decision they make. I mean, naming your child's not a little decision, but like, yeah, that's her name. 01:05:43 Speaker 2: Oh, gosh. And I'm sure years in the future, Ivy will have A documentary. 01:05:48 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:05:49 Speaker 3: I mean, the kids are the biggest sadness about the whole... It's just sad that there's kids involved with people that are questionable. 01:06:01 Speaker 4: Anyways. 01:06:02 Speaker 1: And there is, I mean, a lot to say about this movie. I love how I just kind of put a little note and then you were not the only one, Rima, who jumped in and said, okay, wait, I want to go see it. 01:06:15 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:06:16 Speaker 1: And it's caused a lot of conversation because it is, it's complicated. Going back to that, it is complicated. But yeah, thank you so much for being here. Loved having you. Where can the good listeners find you? 01:06:32 Speaker 2: The listeners can find me behind the scenes at Sminty. If you want to say anything to me, you can email Sminty. Yes. 01:06:43 Speaker 5: I am on. 01:06:45 Speaker 2: I'm around town. 01:06:46 Speaker 4: I don't know. 01:06:47 Speaker 2: You can't really find me. You can go to my website. Rima's Mysterious. I'm a little mysterious. No, no. I have a website. 01:06:53 Speaker 3: It's rimamade.com. I like movies a lot. I watch a lot of them. If you want to find my letterbox, I'm on there. But you have to find it. I don't know what to tell you. I'm not going to tell you what it is. It's worth it. 01:07:08 Speaker 2: The review. Rima sent us the review for this movie. 01:07:11 Speaker 5: It's like a scavenger hunt for Rima. 01:07:12 Speaker 2: Great. The first one. 01:07:13 Speaker 4: Wow. 01:07:13 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. But yes, just very happy to be here. Happy to talk with you guys. And this was super fun. 01:07:22 Speaker 1: And fun. I look forward to next time. In the meantime, listeners, you can email us if you would like at hello at stuffonevertoldyou.com. You can find us on Blue Sky at MomStuffPodcast or on Instagram and TikTok at stuffonevertoldyou. We're also on YouTube. We have some merchandise at Cotton Bureau. And we have a book you can get wherever you get your books. Thanks, as always, to our super producer, Rima. 01:07:43 Speaker 4: Hey, thank you. 01:07:44 Speaker 2: You are welcome. Thank you. 01:07:47 Speaker 1: And our executive producer, Maya. And thanks to you for listening. Stuff I've Never Told You is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, you can check out the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. 01:08:07 Speaker 2: We didn't talk about...