Jakson Exclusive Interview: Ava Devine is back! Her RESURGENCE in the adult world täydellinen litterointi

--> 00:02:07.920 I'm like, just going, going, going. 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:15.680 Well, I had I would have to believe that once because you've been in the industry forever and everybody knows who you are, you're a huge name in the industry. 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:26.240 And I have to believe that as soon, and correct me if I'm wrong, as soon as you decide to put out a little bit more content, people had to be hitting you up for more and more content, right? 00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:30.000 Like, I mean, like major uh uh production studios and whatnot. 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:31.280 Well, somewhat. 00:02:31.439 --> 00:02:36.319 Um, really, my goal wasn't to like shoot for a lot of production companies. 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:39.039 My goal was because now only family oh, sorry. 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:40.400 No, you're allowed to say it. 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:43.520 You're allowed to I try and watch my P's and Q's, you know. 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:44.319 That's all right. 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:47.520 Editing sucks, but um so yeah. 00:02:47.759 --> 00:03:03.680 So since OF, you know, has taken um such such a uh you know, a is such a big ordeal in my life, I figured like, okay, let me start having some really interesting content and collabs. 00:03:03.919 --> 00:03:13.039 And um, you know, honestly, I felt like that that time that I took off was necessary and needed, much needed at the moment. 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:20.080 But I really felt like my creativity and my um sexual expression was very dimmed. 00:03:20.960 --> 00:03:22.800 And and it served its purpose. 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:31.199 But the minute I I came back out of retirement, I mean, my creative juices, literally, juices started flowing everywhere. 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:36.879 And I'm like, oh my God, and and like these ideas and and and like and I'm so mad at that. 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:40.319 I'm like, oh my God, I uh like with everybody, you know. 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:45.199 So so it was a really, really fun ride and and it still is. 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:52.240 And um it just so so my my decision was not so much for the production companies, which which I I don't mind. 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:53.039 I'm not against. 00:03:53.120 --> 00:04:05.439 I did join a uh uh modeling agency that you know, a production agency or whatever it's called, but um, but I uh I'm a lot more selective today. 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:11.039 And um my my collabs are just something that like means something to me. 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:19.600 Like, like it a lot, it's like my uh sexual expression and creativity like coming into fruition with other performers. 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:23.199 And the wonderful thing is is this is what I was gonna get to, John. 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:28.639 Um, is that everyone was so welcoming and loving towards me. 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:30.000 Like that's good. 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:34.000 Yeah, because you know, like you gotta remember, I'm older, much older. 00:04:34.160

--> 00:04:37.439 Um, you know, I'm I'm not afraid of my age, but I'm like 52 now. 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:46.959 So it was like yeah, so for like people, uh, the younger crowd, you know, and look, don't get me wrong, not everyone wants to shoot with me. 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:52.720 I understand, I don't take it personally, but or or production companies, not everyone wants to shoot with me. 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:58.959 But from the people that did want to shoot with me, was just I was just blown away. 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:07.600 I couldn't believe how sought after and well received I was because it's like, you know, I'm I was out of the game for 10, 11 years. 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:08.800 I thought I was irrelevant. 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:14.240 And people are like, oh my God, I want to like young people and and and like just everyone. 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:15.519 I'm like, wow. 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:16.000 Yeah. 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:17.040 So yeah. 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:20.000 Why do you think there are certain people that didn't want to shoot you? 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:20.800 I don't understand that. 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:22.639 Because there's a niche for everything now. 00:05:22.879 --> 00:05:30.639 Well, for sure, but but also like, you know, this is a career, this is a a job, this is a lot, you know, it it generates income, right? 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:32.879 That that's why that's why we we perform, right? 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:34.000 Because it generates income. 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:34.399 Sure. 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:34.720 Right? 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:35.519 Mainly. 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:49.680 Um, but so so if I'm not gonna, if I'm not gonna make that person money, if if their consumers, their their their fans aren't gonna they're like, you know, like so like it like I may not be for them. 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:50.959 So it makes sense. 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:52.160 It makes total exactly. 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:54.319 And and like I said, this isn't a dating site. 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:56.959 Adult films isn't like for dating. 00:05:57.040 --> 00:06:02.720 It's like we we we we make money from it, we perform, we entertain, we bring in an income. 00:06:02.879 --> 00:06:07.120 If it's not gonna make money, there's a great saying, if it doesn't make dollars, it don't make sense. 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:38.399 And no, you're a hundred percent right because even in in my world, somebody contacted me that wrote a book uh recently, and because on this channel I cover a lot of um uh mafia, uh biker, adult entertainers, um, and somebody uh wrote a book about his cousin that was involved in organized crime, and we had a call, and I was like, dude, it it wouldn't make sense to me to have you on because you you know nobody knows who you are, nobody knows who your cousin is. 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:40.000 It's it's not gonna generate views. 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:45.680 If you if you wrote a book about John's body, yes, then it would have created views, you know. 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:46.959 So I completely understand. 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:49.519 Now that you put you posed it that way, that makes total sense. 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:50.240 Okay, sure. 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:57.120 And and and I had to understand that, like, um, you know, through, like I told you, as you guys know, I'm in a 12-step program. 00:06:57.279 --> 00:07:01.439 So, like, I had a lot of resentments for a lot of uh companies that didn't want to shoot me. 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:06.879 I had a lot of resentments towards fans that didn't want to see me, like uh, or negative comments. 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:11.439 But I have to also understand this is a business, it's not personal. 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:14.240 And even if it is personal, what do I care? 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:16.399 You know, like I can go, I can go elsewhere. 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:26.959 But the bottom line is if it's not gonna generate income for that company, that fan, that person, whatever, then there's no sense of shooting with me. 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:32.399 So, so like I now I understand it's not a personal attack, it's a business attack. 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:35.680 Yeah, or not not word attack, but it's a business move. 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:37.120 So yeah. 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:42.480 Now, when you said you were on a 12-step program, you've been clean and sober for many years now at this point, right? 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:43.839 How many years has it been? 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:46.079 Oof, it's gonna be a while. 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:49.920 19 years on July 29th, yeah, 2007. 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:50.240 Yeah. 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:59.680 Were were there anybody that would didn't collab with you because of some problems you had in the past and they didn't want to revisit that? 00:08:00.480 --> 00:08:09.040 Um, no, but I think that there's some uh people I'm assuming I'm I'm I I can't uh they never actually said it. 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:15.199 Yeah, I'm assuming that did not that does not want to shoot with me because of my my present sobriety today. 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:18.160 Uh some people like to party or get whatever. 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:19.279 I understand. 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:28.319 And and like and and I I or they may feel uncomfortable because I do not partake in that or I don't want to be around that. 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:31.519 Like, like uh yeah, so so I do I do it now. 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:38.799 It's like I I don't I don't mess with that, like right, you know, like I I just can't be work with people that are intoxicated. 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:45.759 It's just yeah, if if you're yeah, you do what you want, but I can't do that because it's it's it's too painful for me because of my past. 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:46.639 Fully unit. 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:47.039 Exactly. 00:08:47.440 --> 00:08:58.080 And I'm not a judge or the juror or or reformer, but for me, I I choose not, I'm not

desperate to be in those situations where I have to be around that. 00:08:58.320 --> 00:08:59.679 I don't have to be around that. 00:08:59.840 --> 00:09:01.440 I choose not to be around that. 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:06.639 It's healthier for me, and it's just safer for me if I don't, and that's just my choice. 00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:07.919 That's my boundary. 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:13.919 No, and and that is an absolute 100% boundary that shouldn't be crossed. 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:18.720 Yeah, because you've been doing so good, uh, and your career has taken off. 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:23.440 There's no reason to even give it a chance for that to come back, right? 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:25.039 There's no way even to even gamble it. 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:26.159 So I fully understand. 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:34.320 And and and and at the same time, I understand that person who wants to be around a sober, boring wet blanket when they want to party it up. 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:36.080 Like I get it. 00:09:36.320 --> 00:09:40.320 I used to, I when I was using and partying, I don't want to be around sober people. 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:42.000 Yeah, right, right, right, right, right, right. 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:43.039 Yeah, right, right. 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:47.039 Now, have you noticed that it's the younger crowd that's more like this, or it doesn't really matter? 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:51.679 Um, it doesn't really matter, but but mainly younger. 00:09:51.919 --> 00:09:55.679 But you put them in uh I mean it like the disease doesn't discriminate. 00:09:55.840 --> 00:09:57.759 Drug addiction, alcoholism doesn't discriminate. 00:09:57.840 --> 00:10:03.120 So I see it young, older, whatever, but I just don't want to partake in it. 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:13.440 Has anybody have has has have anybody in the industry, especially young women or women in general, have come to you uh for mentoring in a situation like that? 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:19.759 And have you had to tell them, hey, look, look, I know what you're going through, but if you continue this route, you it's not gonna end well. 00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:21.600 Have you had that had that experience? 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:22.799 Um, yes. 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:33.840 Uh what I've learned is I can't control anybody, and I and I can't give out my advice because my advice gets me jails, institutions, and death too. 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:36.960 So, but I will give you my experience, strength, and hope. 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:41.039 I will show you what works for me, and you could either take it or not. 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:43.759 And if you don't take it, I'm not gonna be mad at you. 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:47.120 I just probably can't really like hang out with you, right? 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:50.960 But but you know, that's your journey, that's their journey. 00:10:51.039 --> 00:10:52.320 And and and who who am I? 00:10:52.399 --> 00:11:00.159 I'm not God, I'm not powerful enough to save you or or you know, or think, or think I know what's right for you because I don't. 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:01.360 I don't even know what's right for me. 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:03.360 Like, how many I don't even know how to live my life. 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:04.720 How am I gonna tell you how to live yours? 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:06.720 Yeah, I got enough problems to worry about. 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:07.279 Exactly. 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:15.759 So it's like it's like, so you know, I I can't say I I could just say for me, you know, drugs and alcohol took me down. 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:19.759 Yeah, yeah, you know, so but but maybe maybe it'll work for you. 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:29.759 Maybe you can win academy awards and have billions of dollars with champagne in your hand and and cocaine in the other hand, and and cheering everyone cheering you on. 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:32.480 It didn't work for me, it won't work for me. 00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:34.639 It has not never worked for me. 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:38.960 Uh the fellowship is made of people that it didn't work for, so I don't know. 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:40.480 Maybe it maybe it'll work for you. 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:41.120 I don't know. 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:44.720 Well, um I, for one, am very happy that you're clean and sober and doing well. 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:52.080 Because I've been I've been honestly before I started the podcast, you were one of my favorites from a long time ago. 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:54.559 So I'm very happy that uh you're doing well. 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:55.600 Thank you. 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:05.679 When you started doing content, because I think I don't remember the sites that you were on, but you were you were back on the main sites, the the the Naughty America and the Brazors and whatnot. 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:06.559 They're great, yeah. 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:08.799 Not browsers, yeah, but no, okay, right. 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:11.279 Yeah, I don't remember exactly, but you were on the bigger ones. 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:13.840 Has that helped your OnlyFans? 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:17.600 Has that created interest for people to look for you up on OnlyFans? 00:12:17.759 --> 00:12:18.320 You know what? 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:29.919 I'm I'm not really certain because there's no uh gauge or links that like I've posted from there to there to like to like uh decipher where it's coming from. 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:45.519 I just know that now that I'm shooting with more uh people and doing different things creatively and sexually, my fans are very much more happier and they're I'm uh gaining more fans. 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:48.080 And but I will tell you this too. 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:59.279 The the the crazy thing is that now that I have my podcast, um people are like they're like, I've never I don't know who you are, and I just discovered you on the podcast. 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:05.039 And like there, there's a gay man that said, Ava, I don't know who

you are. 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:08.320 I just discovered you from the podcast, and I love you. 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:10.559 And I'm like, I'm like, I love you. 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:14.639 And then and then somebody else was like, I don't even know who you are, but I love your vibe. 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:16.000 I'm like, What's the podcast? 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:17.279 What's the name of the podcast? 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:19.840 Um, it's called Ava Divine's Bad Advice. 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:22.240 Ava Divine's Bad Advice. 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:24.720 Uh I'll make sure that that and it's on YouTube? 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:25.519 Yeah. 00:13:25.759 --> 00:13:31.519 Okay, I'll make sure that that is in the description code so people can see Ava Divine's Bad Advice. 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:36.240 You know what's funny is that on my bodybuilding channel, I'm very good friends with Lee Priest. 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:40.399 I don't know if you know who that is, but Lee Priest was one of the greatest bodybuilders that ever lived. 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:42.639 Okay, in the bodybuilding world, he's a legend. 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:57.200 And what's funny is that he has kind of reignited his career by doing a lot of uh bodybuilding content with younger fitness content creators, like the Trent twins and like Larry Wheels. 00:13:57.279 --> 00:14:01.200 And people go up to him and go, Oh, I saw you on that video with the Trent twins. 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:03.120 I saw you on that video with Larry Wheels. 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:05.759 And he's like, he's like, Yeah, I guess so. 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:12.080 But like like in the early 2000s, the guy was winning bodybuilding show after bodybuilding show after bodybuilding show. 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:15.919 He was a he is a legend, and so it's the same thing. 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:19.600 It's like people come up to him and go, I don't know who you are, but I love you, you're great, you know? 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:22.879 It's the same kind of situation, but it all works out, right? 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:28.399 Like, like, because I don't know, I just I just feel like it always works out somehow. 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:44.240 It does, and but somebody like yourself who has this wherewithal uh to keep going, to keep motivated, and to keep helping yourself, and then doing content where you're helping others, whether it's on your OF or whether it's on your podcast, it's gonna come back. 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:50.559 Good things are gonna come back, and it's the same thing that's happening to my friend is he's he has this amazing following now again. 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:53.919 Um because this is this is what uh this is what he does. 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:59.679 But yeah, and and and it's not so much me helping them, it's like we we all help like it's really team effort. 00:14:59.919 --> 00:15:05.120 Good point because don't forget, like my ideas are wack-a-doodle nuts, right? 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:09.919

And then but some of these people are like great idea, down. 00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:10.720 I love it. 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:11.679 And I'm like, really? 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:23.279 Yeah, and like like there's this one guy, um Adam Lee, and um like he's such a cute little actor, and I'm always like, Adam, play, would you do these weird reels with me and stuff like that? 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:24.720 And like he's like, sure. 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:27.759 And he like we love it, and like we just have so much fun. 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:30.799 So it's like it's like truly a team effort. 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:35.600 Like, there's no one better or less than or more famous or not. 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:39.039 It's like it's when it like like in a recipe, right? 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:49.519 Yeah, you gotta put salt, you gotta put sugar, you gotta put pepper, you gotta right, and and then right, there's not there's not one ingredient that's just so much better, or even if it is, right? 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:52.639 But it all comes out to being chef's kiss. 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:53.840 Okay, good, good. 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:57.519 Yeah, like it's a it's like a unit, and you're you're working together as a unit. 00:15:57.919 --> 00:15:58.879 Totally, totally. 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:10.639 So now, are there things that you won't do now as opposed to before you were retired, um, that you used to do, and now you're like, nah, I stay away from that now. 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:14.799 Um, probably not. 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:24.960 Okay, but I do, I I am starting or I've been starting to require a seven-day uh talent testing test. 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:27.279 So that's my new requirement. 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:37.279 Like um I I ask for whoever I shoot with to get uh a seven-day uh test, and and it has to be uh no older than seven days. 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:39.200 And if it's eight days, I won't work with them. 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:40.320 So explain what that is. 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:41.679 What's the seven-day test? 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:53.120 So uh so what we do is is the industry goes and gets tested at two facilities or three, but let's just say two for now that I'm very aware of clear and uh talent testing. 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:57.279 Um we have to do a full panel, swabs, et cetera, et cetera. 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:05.680 Uh and uh in um the industry, the film industry's guidelines, it's a 14-day test. 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:06.720 Okay. 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:10.400 So now I a lot can happen in 14 days. 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:20.160 A lot can happen in seven days, a lot can happen in one day, but for my own well-being, I feel more confident, more safer. 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:23.200 Um, I feel safer with uh seven-day tests. 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:30.720 And and and it could be a little bit expensive for some, but honestly, for me, you can't put a uh price tag on health. 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:42.559 And I feel that that's a substantial amount of time because say if it's the weekend or whatever, and the and talent testing is closed, at least you can go on Monday and you know, whatever. 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:46.480 So I I just like a seven-day test, and that's that's my new requirement when I work with. 00:17:46.960 --> 00:17:48.000 What do they test for? 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:53.839 Uh they test for chlamydia, gonorrhea, HIV, uh, two types of HIV tests. 00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:55.440 I think hep C. 00:17:55.920 --> 00:18:06.000 Um syphilis, they test for MGen, they test for uh rectal swabs of and throat swabs of gonorrhea, chlamydia. 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:10.960 Um they do urine samples of gonorrhea and chlamydia. 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:15.839 Uh so so I uh I think that's pretty much the basics. 00:18:16.160 --> 00:18:16.960 But but yeah. 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:20.480 Have you ever had somebody come back and there was a no, no, go, sorry. 00:18:20.559 --> 00:18:23.519 I know you went for the test, but you tested positive for A, B, and C. 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:24.799 Oh, of course, sure, sure. 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:26.160 It happens, yeah. 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:27.920 Oh, that's gotta be difficult. 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:29.359 How do they deal with it? 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:33.039 Because do they even know that they have these that they're positive for these diseases? 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:38.079 Well, sometimes we don't, but that's why the testing is very, is very important. 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:43.119 And I mean, look, it's uh everything's 50-50, right? 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:48.319 There's always it's always uh a 50-50 chance of you know winning and losing. 00:18:48.480 --> 00:19:04.079 You drive the car, 50% you're gonna get to the uh uh destination safely, 50% can get hit, or a ticket, or what like there's always there's always room for some kind of complications if if you play that way, right? 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:05.599 You know, and that and that's that's the thing. 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:10.480 That's the world, that's that's the livelihood, that's the job that I'm in. 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:14.799 So it's like but uh I I want to be my own advocate, right? 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:21.200 And and try and try and do do to the best of my ability as be as safe safe as I can. 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:21.839 Sure. 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:30.960 Now, before you were retired, were there mandatory tests or was it not as uh not as strict as this this seven-day test is? 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:36.799 Well, well, actually, it's it was hilarious because uh Christian Chibletz and I talked about there was the 30-day test. 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:42.240 Uh we used to go to a place called AIM or talent testing, and it was 30-day test. 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:45.200 Then now they switched it to 14 days. 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:50.079 But now, you know, and some companies do do seven-day tests as well. 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:55.119 Um some performers request that as well.

00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:59.839 So so I I just feel it's just it's better guidelines for me. 00:19:59.920 --> 00:20:03.279 Uh and I just feel I feel a little bit more confident with that. 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:05.680 Yeah, 30 days, a lot can happen in 30 days. 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:14.960 But look, back in the day, that's what you know, and then like all these things start popping up, and we're like, wow, yeah, yeah. 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:37.200 What's funny is I I interviewed uh Ginger Lynn uh probably around the same time I interviewed you, and she told the story about how uh she had did a scene with John Holmes and not knowing that he was HIV positive, that he had full-blown AIDS, and then when she found out she was scared shitless, and she ran to the doctor to get tested. 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:39.599 Because back then they didn't even know what that was. 00:20:39.680 --> 00:20:45.119 You know, it was brand new, and it was it was so scary, but thank God she was fine. 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:46.400 But yeah. 00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:56.480 So now tell me what have been the significant changes in the industry that you've noticed since you retired to to today? 00:20:57.759 --> 00:21:13.680 Um, well, I mean, I I would say that uh one of the things is um content creators are different from adult film industry people, you know, um, or the corn stars, you know. 00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:18.480 Uh and like like how do you define corn star versus content creator? 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:25.599 I feel uh people that shoot for production companies could be classified as corn stars. 00:21:25.759 --> 00:21:26.640 I gotcha, okay. 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:35.920 And um people that so being being a corn star, and I'm just I'm so YouTube friendly now. 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:37.359 No, it's fine, it's perfect. 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:37.680 Thank you. 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:40.319 Yeah, I it's just because editing costs. 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:43.839 So yeah, sorry why it's my P's and Q's, I get it. 00:21:44.079 --> 00:22:09.119 Um, so uh I feel like uh corn stars uh have a professionalism about them that not all, uh but I'm just saying generally speaking, uh we have a we have a professionalism about ourselves that is different from uh A content creator that twerks and twerks at the you know uh pool party and makes millions, which uh which is great, good for you. 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:14.880 But I'm just saying, like, like uh, you know, we're taught or I'm taught, I'm taught, I'll speak for myself. 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:24.960 I'm taught to bring a variety of clothing, to show up in hair and makeup, to prep, prepare if you're gonna do backdoor or whatever. 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:26.079 Right, right, right. 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:37.039 Um, also, you know, be on time because there's locations involved, there's camera people involved, there's makeup artists involved, there's a lot at stake. 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:41.200 And uh it's not just uh, you know, 5 p.m. 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:50.400 I just got back, you know, just woke up from being at the club the night before, and now we're gonna jiggle our butts and go live on OnlyFans or OF, you know? 00:22:50.480 --> 00:22:52.480 So it's like that is an excellent question. 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:54.480 I did not realize that. 00:22:54.720 --> 00:23:07.440 Because you're right, there is a big difference with somebody that is in your industry and and acts as a professional, and and the the first person that popped up in my head when you said that was Adam 22 and his wife. 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:08.480 Okay, right? 00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:10.000 They just kind of went on a whim. 00:23:10.240 --> 00:23:12.319 Did she just right? 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:21.039 Um, they just went on a whim, they picked some guy and sold the content, and because he's Adam 22, and this is his wife, they've made a fortune, right? 00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:36.079 Is there animosity because it's like, wait a minute, you didn't put your time in, and then all of a sudden you're somebody's uh husband who has uh clout and you decide, oh, I'm just gonna do this scene and make a ton of money. 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:41.359 Whereas somebody like you puts their time, effort, professionalism into it. 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:44.400 Is there any animosity between the two worlds? 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:46.480 I mean, I don't think so. 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:51.839 I think that that's a little heavy of a word, but I mean, there there's a difference. 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:53.680 And I can't speak for everyone. 00:23:53.759 --> 00:24:06.640 I'm just saying the people I've encountered that are content creators, they're not uh really fully responsible with the proper testing, or they complain about the seven-day test or whatever that you know, they they're not whatever. 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:09.200 They they don't want to spend the money to get another test. 00:24:09.279 --> 00:24:10.319 I'm like, that's your business. 00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:20.160 They don't want to get hair and makeup done, you know, whatever, and or they don't bring proper outfits at all, ever, or they want to be late and you know, or not show up and stuff. 00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:24.960 But but then again, I've dealt with many corn stars that do the same thing too. 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:25.359 Right. 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:34.400 So I can't really all I can say is there is somewhat of a difference that I've seen, that I've experienced. 00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:36.720 So now at your level, right? 00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:39.839 Uh, because you are at basically top tier, right? 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:40.319 Uh-huh. 00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:49.279 Are there people that you trust working with because you know they're gonna get the seven-day test, they're gonna be on time, they're gonna be professional, they know what they're doing. 00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:50.000 And you know what? 00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:57.599 I'd rather work with them than some

new content creator that has no clue, even though it could bring plenty of views and plenty of money. 00:24:57.839 --> 00:24:59.200 Um, well, sometimes, yes. 00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:04.640 I I rather, like I said, I'm I'm able to be a little bit more selective. 00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:09.599 And and it's not because I'm I'm a badass or I'm I'm you know who I am. 00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:18.720 It's just because for me, right now, I'm not coming from a place of desperation, which and I'm and I'm not talking because I'm Ava Divine. 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:20.799 I'm just saying I'm not in a desperate place. 00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:28.400 For me, from my experience, whenever I'm desperate, I do really foul, careless things and I get in trouble. 00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:29.279 Right, right, right. 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:29.759 Okay. 00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:32.799 So today let's face it, you are top tier. 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:35.440 So I mean that that that goes without saying. 00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:38.079 You are you are top tier in this in this industry, okay? 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:42.480 Anyone who's anybody in the industry or is a fan knows who you are. 00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:43.440 So thank you. 00:25:43.839 --> 00:25:55.359 So the there I would I would only expect that whoever works with you has to work within the same uh at the same level as you. 00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:58.079 I I it would only be an expectation. 00:25:58.240 --> 00:25:59.599 It's like anything else, right? 00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:12.000 It's like um if uh whatever, like if I if you're a bodybuilder uh and you need to train for a bodybuilding contest, you're not gonna grab the guy that never did a contest before and doesn't know what he's doing to train with. 00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:14.400 You're gonna grab the other guy who knows what he's doing. 00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:24.000 So that's why I I I I I understand you're being modest, but I'm saying you're top tier, and those things I think are should be expected. 00:26:24.079 --> 00:26:28.000 I think it's a good thing that they're that it it you should expect it. 00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:33.759 Well, I mean, look, what are expectations or premeditated resentments? 00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:36.640 Even even some of these people, right? 00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:42.640 Even these some of these people that are top tier or whatever, they've counseled last minute. 00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:46.799 I'm like, what or like or like what you know, crazy stuff? 00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:48.559 And look, I'm I'm guilty. 00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:49.839 I'm I'm guilty too. 00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:54.799 I've done some last minute crap too, you know, like whatever. 00:26:55.039 --> 00:27:04.960 But um, generally speaking, you know, I try not to, and I do try to be selective and and look, accidents happen, right? 00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:06.079 Things happen, right? 00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:11.440 Like I said, driving, you're in the car, or can you get to the destination safely, or do you get into an accident? 00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:12.400 Do you get pulled over? 00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:12.960 I don't know. 00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:22.079 But I'm just saying there there are times where things don't go as planned, but good good enough, like like I'm I'm quick enough to go, okay. 00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:23.359 Here's my backup plan. 00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:28.319 I'll go live, I'll shoot some uh socials, I'm already dressed and ready. 00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:32.480 Like I'm not gonna make it a wash, or maybe I really am tired. 00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:35.279 I'm just gonna kick back and watch Netflix and hair and makeup. 00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:35.680 Right. 00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:38.640 You know, but but right, everything happens for a reason. 00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:43.359 And and honestly, like I say, it's it's it's on God's time. 00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:45.200 So if it's happening, it's happening. 00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:48.400 If not, chalk it up and you know, try again. 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:54.319 So uh the majority of the content you make, uh, do you work for yourself and create your own schedule? 00:27:54.640 --> 00:28:02.240 Or it's oh, so it's not like you have uh, you know, a contract like it was in the old days where you have to start so not at all. 00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:02.640 Yeah. 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:06.000 So what I I I like to have a schedule, I like to have a regimen. 00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:09.839 So like every Tuesday I like to shoot my custom videos for my fans. 00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:13.200 I dedicate that day for custom videos. 00:28:13.359 --> 00:28:15.680 I have a hair and makeup artist ready to go. 00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:18.079 That's why I'm like, okay, let's do our podcast. 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:19.359 I'll be in hair and makeup. 00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:20.559 It's Tuesday. 00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:22.160 I did my customs earlier. 00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:25.920 I did a little bit of social media, so I'm prepared, you know? 00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:37.920 And and then and then I'll try and schedule some collabs maybe once a week or sometimes twice a week, or sometimes if someone's in town, then we'll like I'll shoot like almost every other day or every day. 00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:38.880 Right, right, okay. 00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:40.799 Yeah, but but I like to have a schedule. 00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:44.960 Because back in the day there was a lot of uh contracts with with production studios. 00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:46.160 Is that accurate? 00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:48.319 Yes, most definitely, yes, yes. 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:55.279 Okay, and was it did is what's the good and the bad? 00:28:55.440 --> 00:29:04.559 Uh you have obviously you have to shell out more of money now um because you're working for yourself, but but I would assume that you make more money because you're working for yourself. 00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:06.240 Most definitely, most definitely. 00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:23.200 Now, like I've

like I've said before, I've never I've never uh turned my nose against uh production companies or look down at comp production companies, but you know, look, uh my my little social media isn't gonna compete with browsers, Naughty America, you know, whatever, right? 00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:24.960 But so it's great, it's great. 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:28.000 They they use me and I get free marketing, right? 00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:30.559 But it's a flat fee. 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:34.000 I don't get any royalties, I don't make money in my sleep. 00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:39.440 My OnlyFans, my my OF, my my content, my collabs, my very own stuff. 00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:42.640 I can make money while I'm sleeping. 00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:43.519 Because guess what? 00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:50.000 The guy in Europe just bought my video that I shot with Sarah J and Alex Legend, or you know, so and then and then guess what? 00:29:50.079 --> 00:29:50.720 It's mine. 00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:55.200 So I can make royalties of it off of it for however long. 00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:56.880 It's if people want to buy it. 00:29:57.119 --> 00:29:58.559 That's definitely a huge benefit. 00:29:58.799 --> 00:29:59.680 Ah, yeah. 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:12.000 Now, today, today, if a young girl wants to get into the production company, is it one and done, or is it like uh back or or are contracts different? 00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:36.240 Like if they find like uh let's say a new talent from Instagram or from OF or something like that, and one of these larger companies like North America or Brazzers or whatever, you know, do they give them a contract uh where they have to do a certain amount of content over a period of time, or is it like basically one and done, you're a new fresh face, uh come here, we'll pay for your travel and expenses, and then you go home? 00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:46.960 Well, honestly, I've never been a contract girl for any any company, but from what I've heard, they they they have like, okay, so you're gonna do about uh I don't know, seven scenes a day. 00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:50.720 Um seven scenes a month for this X amount of dollars. 00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:52.400 Oh, okay, okay, all right, all right. 00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:54.960 And and you can't work for other companies, you know. 00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.759 I think that that's what a contract girl is, I believe. 00:30:57.920 --> 00:30:58.240 All right. 00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:09.119 So I would assume that they these these young film stars want to get to where you're at, where they're working for themselves and they use it as a stepping stone. 00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:14.240 Or are they just like, hey, this is the hot new thing that I'm that I'm doing right now. 00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:20.480 I I really don't know what's the best way to approach that for someone that's young and up and coming. 00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:22.720 I mean, I I don't know. 00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:25.200 I don't know which route would be

better for them. 00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:29.279 I mean, all I know is for me, I really enjoy doing my own collabs. 00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:31.279 It's great when I work for other companies too. 00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:33.680 Like I said, I'm not I'm not looking down at them. 00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:37.759 But I honestly, I honestly love shooting my own stuff because guess what? 00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:44.880 Uh if I want to be uh daddy divine and I want to shoot with a sissy or or some muscle dude, guess what? 00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:45.440 I can call them. 00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:46.240 I don't have to wait. 00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:46.400 Right. 00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:51.920 Will Naughty America hire me for for daddy divine or kink, right? 00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:53.440 I get I get to do it. 00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:58.720 I I reach out to this guy, I reach out to the sissy, I reach out to the camera person. 00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:00.319 Are you able to film me on this day? 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:04.079 Or can you can we can we get together and like make something fun? 00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:05.039 Right. 00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:25.119 So Yeah, uh it is definitely uh uh I would think that the majority of people that are in the industry would would like to get to the status that you're at where you can make your own where you can make your own um time, make your own schedule, and make money, and like you said, it's always yours, and that you're gonna make money constantly. 00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:28.400 I would think that I mean I might be wrong, but sure. 00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:34.079 But but then but then also shooting for production companies has has great, great uh pros too. 00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:38.640 Like they they have the hair and makeup artists, they have the camera people, right? 00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:44.400 They have the elite photography, they have the elite shoot house, they have the they have the great marketing. 00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:46.559 All you're gonna do is show up, right? 00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:46.880 Right? 00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:48.400 You're treated like royalty. 00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:51.920 A lot of these companies are very high-end, very exquisite. 00:32:52.160 --> 00:33:03.119 So, so so now now the the new girl doesn't have to call the sissy, doesn't have to call the new photographer, doesn't have to look for a place to shoot, doesn't have to fork out money. 00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:06.079 So even when you go to the uh expos, same thing. 00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:08.559 You have to fork out money, that's all yours. 00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:09.279 Yeah. 00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:12.960 Mostly, unless, unless you sign for a company at the expos. 00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:19.680 When you were before you retired, were you did you ever work for a company that you were like, I am never working for these fucking people again. 00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:21.599 This was no. 00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:22.480 Really? 00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:23.279 You know what? 00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:24.960 I'll tell you what, John. 00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:32.960 I've had uh honestly, like really wonderful experiences in the adult industry. 00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:33.680 Oh, that's good. 00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:34.160 That's good time. 00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:41.519 I've really like the the I've nah, I I can't say I've had bad experiences. 00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:55.839 The only bad experience, if I've if I ever had anything, was my perception of that I'm not good enough because I wasn't stick figure in the society or whatever, or I was angry because the companies didn't want to shoot me, right? 00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:57.839 But but honestly, where does it fall? 00:33:58.160 --> 00:33:58.720 On me. 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:00.720 It's my perception, right? 00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:03.920 So so have I had any bad experiences for any companies? 00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:04.720 Not at all. 00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:05.759 They're all great. 00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:08.159 Yeah, it's it's very respectful that you're accountable. 00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:09.199 That's that's for sure. 00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:12.480 That actually that actually makes me admire you even more. 00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:26.880 Now, uh, when you first started uh in the industry, uh they they there used to be like a group of guys, five or six guys, that were reliable and they were in every movie, every content, so on and so forth. 00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:31.039 Now you see there are so many different guys. 00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:33.679 I mean, it's like they could literally pick anybody. 00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:40.239 Um explain what you're more comfortable with and why that is. 00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:50.320 I mean, I'm assuming it's that way because now you have Viagra, Cialis, the Trimix injection, like you can kind of you know, uh do it in a hotel room, like you're content creators. 00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:55.119 But back then you had like five or six guys, those are the guys that were reliable, those are the guys you worked with. 00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:58.480 What is the what is the pros and cons for each? 00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:03.360 Well, honestly, there's a saying it says cream rises to the top. 00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:07.119 People that are successful will shine. 00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:10.719 There's no forcing, there's no word of mouth. 00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:15.920 People that are successful, that are especially male performers, they will shine. 00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:17.280 And guess what? 00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:19.119 I seek them out. 00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:21.360 I want to work with the Kieran Lee's. 00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:23.599 I want to work with the big dick nicks. 00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:32.400 I want to work with, you know, these guys that are reliable, that can keep wood, uh understand how to open you up for the camera. 00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:49.679 Um professional shows up clean, ready to fill up paperwork, have their current tests ready, uh, have

their app outfits, uh just like and and like you you can't fake that, you can't pretend, you can't buy that, you can't mimic it. 00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:51.519 You either have it or you don't. 00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:51.920 Okay. 00:35:52.079 --> 00:36:00.800 You know, you could try your hardest, you could do 20 shots at TriMex, but if you don't have it in you, it will fail, it will flop. 00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:01.280 Okay. 00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:12.719 So it the the people that that are like outstanding performers, the male performers, they they know they know everyone knows who they are, they know who they are. 00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:15.039 Yeah, they're the professionals and they get the job done, right? 00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:15.840 For sure. 00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:16.960 Most definitely. 00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:27.760 Now, when guys, when guys watch, you know, corn, basically it's for the most part, it is a just a takeaway from reality, right? 00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:35.119 They just kind of watch it, they don't think of their responsibilities, it takes them, takes them away for a little bit, they get off, and so on, so forth. 00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:40.400 And most of the time, these guys look at the male performers and they go, Wow, that's gotta be amazing. 00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:44.480 He gets to sleep with uh Avid Devine, he gets to sleep with Sarah J. 00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:53.920 Do the guys in actuality enjoy it as much as the as much as the onlooker believes, or is it just a job to them? 00:36:54.400 --> 00:37:01.119 I mean, in all fairness, I can't speak for them, but realistically, in reality, is it is a job. 00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:22.880 And and like I said, it's not a dirt dating service, and a lot of today's um you know, protocols or or what's the proper word with a lot of today's uh you know rights, uh got a lot of the female uh performers don't want the guy, don't want to be fluffers for the dudes. 00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:30.639 They don't want creepy dudes, they want professionalism, they want the men to show up, or or I'll speak for myself, okay? 00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:44.400 I want my male talent to show up, be ready to go, not sitting in the corner beating the meat, not fucking, not not uh trying to make out with me or or pound take me to pound town when the camera's not on. 00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:59.199 Like it's you know, like and and or not struggle, you know, like because at the end of the day, it is a job, and we all have our own separate lives when when the camera like lights cameras you know actions shuts off. 00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:02.400 Um we all uh respect one another. 00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:11.119 And um, I just feel like you know, uh, I don't know if they're desensitized, I don't know if the trimex makes them numb. 00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:12.000 I don't know. 00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:20.559 I'm just assuming, but it could, but I'm just saying, like honestly, um, you know, it is a living. 00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:38.559 And and right now in today's society, you gotta be on your best behavior or you will get called out, you will get canceled, you will get you will get uh uh alleged, you know, uh allegations thrown at you, you will get announced on social media as a rapist. 00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:40.079 Like nobody's shy about that. 00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:41.119 Uh tell me about it. 00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:43.679 It's it's it's it's altogether too often, too. 00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:44.400 It really is. 00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:45.679 We see it all the time. 00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:46.400 Yeah. 00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:48.880 Have you ever been with a guy that you really liked? 00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:50.800 Um, you liked working with, you know, didn't it? 00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:57.599 Was it not romantically, but you you you kind of liked him, you liked working with him, and um, you worked with him plenty of times. 00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:01.119 And this particular time, for some reason, he can't finish for whatever reason. 00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:01.599 Sure. 00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:08.239 Have you ever decided have you ever took it upon yourself, like, okay, I'll I'll help? 00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:09.519 Most badly. 00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:12.480 Like I said, I'm a team player, I'm a team player. 00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:13.920 Okay, I'm a team player. 00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:21.280 Because I interviewed Brittany Andrews, and her her her answer to me was, no, I don't give a shit what they the scene's over, I'm going home. 00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:22.400 Well, well, sure. 00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:27.280 Look, I I understand, and and like I said, you know, it is a job, right? 00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:35.039 I'm not their girlfriends, I'm not their wives, I'm not their, you know, whatever, but I feel like I'm a team player. 00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:40.239 And and and then another thing too, like to backtrack what we were talking about earlier, it is sex. 00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:42.880 We're having sex, it's a pleasurable thing. 00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:44.880 Like, right, it's a great time. 00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:47.920 It's a party, like it's sex. 00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:51.920 So, so it is a job, yes. 00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:54.239 Is it creepy? 00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:56.639 No, it doesn't have to be. 00:39:56.800 --> 00:40:00.079 I mean, I like creepy, but like I'm saying, like, but but you know what I mean? 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:02.079 Like, like, is it for cheap thrills? 00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:07.519 No, it's for for a product, it's right for the consumer, it's entertainment for the consumer. 00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:08.880 What did I say earlier? 00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:11.280 If it doesn't make dollars, it don't make sense. 00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:12.960 We're in it to win it. 00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:13.199 Right. 00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:13.840 Let's go. 00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:16.960 Like, let's give them a good product, let's give them a good show. 00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:26.639 So that so

there have been times where you've been with somebody that you know well, you've worked well before, and for some reason they're struggling, and you go, okay, tell me what you want me to do, and I'll let you get alone. 00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:27.599 Most definitely. 00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:34.880 Sometimes they want to be left alone, sometimes they need to watch something, sometimes they want their nipple licked, sometimes they want their balls played. 00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:35.599 Whatever. 00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:36.480 I'm a team player. 00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:38.800 I can't and I will help out. 00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:40.000 Oh, so much. 00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:50.079 I'm not gonna, like I said, I don't want you to take me to Palentown if the camera's not rolling, but I'm gonna I'm gonna be as helpful as I can to the best of my ability. 00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:51.519 Okay, okay. 00:40:51.920 --> 00:41:02.320 Since you've come back from your retirement, are there new things you do now that you wouldn't have done or you would didn't even think you would try? 00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:03.760 No. 00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:07.360 But come on. 00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:09.920 Go ahead. 00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:11.840 So um I love it all. 00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:20.639 Except, except, like I said, I have I have more standards about the testing, and and I and I require whoever I shoot with, I I make it known. 00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:26.400 I say before we even agree on a date or whatever, or once after we agree, can we shoot on this date? 00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:30.639 I say, uh, just by the way, I require a seven-day max test. 00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:32.800 So so that's my only difference today. 00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:33.840 Okay, okay. 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:34.239 Yeah. 00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:36.159 So, and you could clean it up. 00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:38.000 Um just uh it's just an interesting question. 00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:42.159 You can you don't have to get into you know the the details, you could just clean it up for YouTube. 00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:58.239 What has been some of the things that maybe are more fetish aligned or for lack of a better term, uh strange to the ordinary consumer that you do, that you enjoy, that you've done in your career. 00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:04.000 See, I it's crazy because it's everything's such the norm for me. 00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:09.280 Like my girlfriends, like you are so desensitized. 00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:10.159 I'm like, what? 00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:13.679 I'm like, So throw some some throw some out at me. 00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:14.320 It'll be fun. 00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:24.239 Throw something out at me, and I'll tell you whether uh uh as as for the regular consumer, if that would be a little different or not, for lack of a better term. 00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:32.719 Okay, well, um a lot of men want to experience other men with me. 00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:37.039 Like, I'm not gonna get too explicit or detailed, but like they want to. 00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:42.559 That's not that's not I mean more than two guys, two guys and a girl, okay. 00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:45.920 You know, no, they want to they want to suck, you know, each other. 00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:53.440 Yeah, they're they're like, Will you, you know, will you help me be like kind of like forced bisexuality? 00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:54.559 I'm like, of course. 00:42:54.880 --> 00:43:08.719 They're like, they're like, yeah, so so I have many men that call me and they're like, Ava, and I gotta go, oh honey, you're you're my bisexual boyfriend, and I'm gonna bring you around and we're gonna get all these men and we're gonna do gangbangs. 00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:10.000 And then guess what? 00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:15.519 You're gonna eat me down there while the other one's pumping my back door. 00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:22.800 And if it slips out, if it slips out and I take your head and make you fin it, clean that off, you're gonna love it. 00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:24.719 And they're like, Oh my god, I love it. 00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:25.360 You know. 00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:33.119 Yeah, I think too, I there's probably more guys that admit to that, let me rephrase that. 00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:37.280 There's probably more guys that really do enjoy that that won't admit to it. 00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:48.079 Well, yeah, well, the the wonderful thing is is that people do uh I I can't really flatter myself, but people do feel safe with me with with because I'm so experienced. 00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:52.000 But at the same time, men are not shy. 00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:53.440 Men are not shy. 00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:55.519 When their balls are full, they are not shy. 00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:57.440 Yeah, no, you happen to be right. 00:43:57.679 --> 00:43:59.360 I I'm I'm I'm uh unfortunately. 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:03.360 Fortunately or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, I'm all about women. 00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:04.559 Um that's okay. 00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:06.559 I'm all about the women. 00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:07.920 But you know, everything's okay. 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:19.840 But but those two, when I was on the dating apps, when I was doing some dating apps, a lot of the men would say, I would love for you to peg me, or I'd love for you in a trans to peg me. 00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:26.800 And and I'm like, or they or some would go, oh, Ava, I'm 90% dominant, but I'm 10% sub. 00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:28.480 But look at my butt shot. 00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:29.280 Would you peg me? 00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:30.880 And I'm like, honey, yeah. 00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:35.519 I'm like, if I'm gonna peg you, you are 90% bottom. 00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:38.880 Like you're not you're 90% submissive to me now. 00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:39.760 Yeah, yeah. 00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:42.880 On our first date, like, let's build first. 00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:47.360 Like, yeah, let's build a foundation before I peg you. 00:44:47.760 -->

00:44:48.480 Baby steps, pal. 00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:51.360 Because now I see you as my bottom. 00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:53.519 Like, yeah, that's that's yeah. 00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:53.920 Okay. 00:44:54.079 --> 00:45:02.480 So what what besides that, are there anything else that you could throw out at me and I could tell you that would be odd to a particular consumer or not? 00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:04.000 Let's see. 00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:06.400 I mean, like I said, I'm so desensitized. 00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:08.320 Everything's so normal to me. 00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:11.360 Okay, I'll I'll throw I'll throw something out to you. 00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:12.559 Okay, all right. 00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:18.400 Um, let me try to, I'm gonna try to clean it up, okay? 00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:21.760 Yeah, how can I do it my my uh language? 00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:23.920 Okay, all right, I'll try to clean it up myself. 00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:24.960 How can I do? 00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:26.320 Are you fine? 00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:28.239 Okay, oh you're you're absolutely fine. 00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:29.280 Yeah, no problems. 00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:36.079 Um, you're with another couple, he finishes, you go down on her. 00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:37.119 Sure. 00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:48.800 No, that's so uh that that but like they're they're they're the guys are asking me if if we if we're doing a threesome and the dude finishes you, can I go down on you? 00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:54.800 Sorry, that's give me a second. 00:45:57.679 --> 00:45:59.039 That is it's good. 00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:02.800 No, no, such a whim. 00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:04.239 Yeah, me. 00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:06.800 All right, no, no, no. 00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:10.480 I'm saying if you shot content, is that something you've done? 00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:11.760 Oh, of course. 00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:16.079 Out of the back door, like something fart to come out. 00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:18.719 I'm like okay, okay, okay, okay. 00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:19.360 All right. 00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:23.679 Um uh I believe they call it water sports, sure. 00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:28.000 Okay, for people who don't know who water sports is to clean it up, that is urination. 00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:28.880 Sure. 00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:32.159 Now, on yourself or on somebody else. 00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:33.119 Oh my god. 00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:38.400 Back in the early 2000s, it was so like so popular. 00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:39.119 Really? 00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:40.320 Oh my god. 00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:42.159 It was uh what's his name? 00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:43.519 What's his name? 00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:45.519 The Max Hardcore. 00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:47.039 That's all he did. 00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:51.280 That was then then there was all these uh yeah, it was very, very popular. 00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:57.280 Like, even I met there's this Hungarian guy I met that was an adult films actor. 00:46:57.440 --> 00:47:02.320 That yeah, he he was like from Hungary or wherever he was from, Czechoslovakia or whatever. 00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:05.199 And he's like, he's like, Eva, I don't understand this. 00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:06.559 I was like, what, honey? 00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:08.880 He's like, you Americans are so uptight. 00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:10.239 I'm like, really, tell me more. 00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:17.679 He's like, I go to the disco tap and I meet a girl, and we go home, and I golden shower in her mouth. 00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:18.480 No problem. 00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:19.679 I'm like, okay. 00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:25.199 You know, so I guess Americans are uptight, but no, all right. 00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:30.400 That might be strange to the ordinary consumer, but I understand that there is a niche for everything. 00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:30.800 I get it. 00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:38.639 Sure, most definitely, most definitely, and it can be fun in in the right, you know, right, right uh mind frame. 00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:41.679 Now what about what about the um the opposite? 00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:45.840 Not water sports, but I don't know what you want to call it, poop play. 00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:46.639 Yeah. 00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:50.159 You've now you on somebody else or somebody else on you? 00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:51.199 Both. 00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:52.239 You know who you're talking about. 00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:52.719 Yeah, of course. 00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:53.599 You know who you're talking about. 00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:57.920 I'm sorry, Ava, but the only content I I watch of you are your boobs and you with another girl. 00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:02.159 You can't put that on a this isn't two girls and a cop. 00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:06.480 Yeah. 00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:09.039 Uh I'm trying, it's so funny. 00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:12.079 Uh um oh, okay. 00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:13.199 Here's a weird one. 00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:15.840 Oh my shock me. 00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:18.159 Yeah, yeah, I know, really impossible, right? 00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:19.280 Um, here's one. 00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:20.639 Uh, what do they want to call it? 00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:23.280 Uh uh sounding. 00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:25.760 I'm trying to think of what is it? 00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:26.639 Sounding. 00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:27.360 What is that? 00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:30.239 With the metal rods in the pee hall. 00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:33.440 Okay, yeah, no. 00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:33.920 Okay. 00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:35.840 And then you tap it and it vibrates. 00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:37.440 Holy shit. 00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:38.719 What? 00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:39.920 Well, they do it to women. 00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:42.079 You're giving me an education today. 00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:44.559 Uh no, I wasn't gonna say that. 00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:54.719 I was gonna I was gonna say, uh, what do they call it when um uh like uh you know uh the girl has that time of the month for the girl and they just just

restoration, right? 00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:58.719 Well, I there's there's a term for that actual fetish, isn't there? 00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:01.760 I forgot what they call it. 00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:04.320 Mur murder by wings, what what is it? 00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:05.760 Red, maybe. 00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:07.199 Um all right. 00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:09.199 Now, same thing. 00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:11.679 You on somebody else, somebody else on you. 00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:21.119 I'm sorry, I just bothered yes, just let's look at letter D, all of the above. 00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:25.039 Okay, all right, all right. 00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:26.800 I got you, okay, okay. 00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:28.639 Yeah, all right. 00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:31.280 I'm running, I'm I'm I'm limited, I'm running out of shit. 00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:32.079 Jesus Christ. 00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:32.400 Okay. 00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:33.440 It's okay. 00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:34.400 All right. 00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:45.599 What do you have planned for the future as far as uh expos, content creation, uh any new um any new business ventures that you're doing? 00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:46.159 I do. 00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:46.719 I do. 00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:49.039 I'm really working on my podcast. 00:49:49.360 --> 00:50:02.400 I am trying to revamp it and like kind of turn it more into more of an educational uh advocacy type of uh podcast. 00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:06.079 I've also uh got a channel on OFTV. 00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:08.400 So that's about yeah, yeah. 00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:18.559 So so for my podcast, um, I really want uh my goal is to have my fans see me in a different light. 00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:22.079 Um because there's many dimensions to Ava, right? 00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:23.760 But we all don't get to see that. 00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:31.599 And and I'm not, I there's no way I'll ever be ashamed of you know Ava, the adult film star. 00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:34.480 You know, like like that is who I am. 00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:35.599 It's in my veins. 00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:39.360 It's like it's who I am, it's my being, it's me, right? 00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:44.239 Yeah, but I do feel like I have I can have a good conversation. 00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:46.480 Um I'm great at conversing. 00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:56.239 Um, I also walked through many, many situations, and I'm still standing and I feel like um I'm pretty level headed. 00:50:56.320 --> 00:51:00.480 So I want to bring to not really level headed, but some but tiny bit. 00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:17.199 But so I want to kind of bring to uh I want to bring a different dimension of Ava to the table for the fans to see, and and for entertainment purposes or for just for the hell of it, for for my own sake, you know, for my own psyche, for my own mental well-being. 00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:18.320 Okay, you know what? 00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:20.400 A few more questions and then I'm gonna let you go. 00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:22.079 Okay, because you said that. 00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:28.559 Let me ask about the everyday Ava Divine, not about the industry content. 00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:31.679 Um uh I we follow each other on Instagram. 00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:31.920 Yeah. 00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:34.960 I see that you are a big fitness person, just like me. 00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:35.840 Thank you. 00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:39.039 Um is that your how often do you train? 00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:41.440 How often do you work out to stay in shape and whatnot? 00:51:41.679 --> 00:51:47.920 Um honestly, um, as you know, right, 80% of what we eat is how our body looks. 00:51:48.079 --> 00:51:50.880 Uh, right, the other 20% is the gym. 00:51:51.199 --> 00:52:07.599 So honestly, like I don't I only work out like two to if I'm lucky, four times a week, but mainly two, because I work a lot and I and I have a lot of uh collabs and and content that I gotta shoot, which which I gotta be in hair and makeup two hours. 00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:10.079 You know, like I don't have time to run to the gym and do all that. 00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:12.719 But I don't know how you girls do it with the hair and makeup. 00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:14.400 It's un how do you sit still? 00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:15.599 It's unbelievable. 00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:25.280 My niece is a makeup artist, and she's uh she we we uh she now lives in New Jersey and she did, I think it was the Jersey Housewives. 00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:28.239 Um yeah, she had uh she she's really good at what she does. 00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:32.000 Yeah, these girls sit there for hours upon hour. 00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:34.719 I don't know how you girls have the patience to just sit there. 00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:36.719 It's unbelievable to me. 00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:43.760 Well, well, it's it's somewhat therapeutic because you build a relationship with the makeup artist and you guys talk. 00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:48.480 Um, it's also uh, you know, so so it's like it's pretty kind of therapeutic. 00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:51.119 Um, it's not painful, it's enjoyable, right? 00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:52.480 Because then guess what? 00:52:52.639 --> 00:53:02.079 I I I'm like I feel more, you know, like more a little bit more confident to like want to be in front of the camera and stuff because I don't know how to put makeup on. 00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:04.320 I'm not a licensed makeup artist. 00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:05.519 I choose not to be. 00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:10.239 I'll throw on lashes, little shadow, little blush, gloss, go to the gym. 00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:10.719 Cool. 00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:14.239 Run to the mall, cool, run some errands, great. 00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:18.480 But when I need to be in front of a camera, I don't know how to do makeup for the camera. 00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:20.639 I don't know how to do makeup for photos. 00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:21.440 I don't. 00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:25.599 I could pull it off with filters or whatever, but honestly, that's

not my job. 00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:28.400 I don't, I didn't, I don't want, I don't care to know about that. 00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:29.199 Right, right, right. 00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:29.760 Right. 00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:34.079 So, but then right, so I hire wonderful people that are experienced in that. 00:53:34.239 --> 00:53:34.400 Right. 00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:39.519 And and I and I have them glam me up for photos, videos, etc., etc. 00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:42.559 So, so I'm I'm putting out a product, right? 00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:44.880 So I want an elevated product. 00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:49.360 So that's why, so that's why I get my hair and makeup done, which is a wonderful luxury, I will have to say. 00:53:49.599 --> 00:53:55.760 It is such a gift to have such talented women glam me up while I sit there and bitch and moan to them. 00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:59.199 I mean, it's like it's like it's obviously working because you look fantastic. 00:53:59.360 --> 00:54:03.519 Every time we do a uh content, every time we do a video together, interview together, you look fantastic. 00:54:03.679 --> 00:54:04.559 So it's obviously working. 00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:13.280 But it's also healthy living too, because I I say no concealer, no foundation will cover up exhaustion. 00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:14.480 No, I've tried. 00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:16.559 Trust me, I've tried. 00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:20.079 There's not enough powder makeup for purple about it. 00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:20.639 Yeah, yeah. 00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:22.480 If I had three hours to sleep, there's no need to do that. 00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:23.280 Oh, yeah, exactly. 00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:23.920 You're done. 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:24.320 Yeah. 00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:29.599 Um, what other hap um hobbies do you have outside of that world? 00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:37.280 Well, you know, it's funny because like uh I'm such a part of Ava. 00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:43.039 Like I'm trying my hardest to kind of go, what does Gina like? 00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:45.119 Like, what what do I like? 00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:55.039 Like I'm such a I'm such a worker bee that like I don't know, but I do, I'm I'm trying to tap in and I'm trying to discover. 00:54:55.119 --> 00:55:03.199 Well, first of all, I love my 12-step programs, my sobriety and and my my clean time is just really, I'm really passionate about that. 00:55:03.440 --> 00:55:05.039 Um, I love working with others. 00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:10.960 I love working with other women, reading books, the 12-step literature with them, taking them through the steps, and vice versa. 00:55:11.440 --> 00:55:14.719 Um, I and I love having a sponsor that does that for me. 00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:18.000 Um, I love uh I love reading biographies. 00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:21.119 I really I love biographies. 00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:23.039 I love autobiographies and biographies. 00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:28.079 It's so fascinating, especially when I can resonate with them. 00:55:28.159

--> 00:55:31.360 And I love success stories and I love failure stories too. 00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:34.239 I love the last biography you read. 00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:35.840 Jody Sweeten. 00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:37.199 Jody Sweetener. 00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:39.039 No, I have to look her up. 00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:42.960 It's from Full House, the little the Stephanie girl. 00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:44.400 Okay, I remember the character. 00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:44.559 Sure. 00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:45.760 I'm getting goosebumps. 00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:47.920 Do you know she was a tweaker? 00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:48.800 Really? 00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:49.440 Uh-huh. 00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:50.960 A drug addict tweaker. 00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:51.599 Oh, wow. 00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:59.039 And everything, and I listened to her book on audio, and I was like, I'm getting chills. 00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:00.719 I was like, check, I get it. 00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:02.000 Yep, I understand. 00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:03.920 Oh, done that, been there. 00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:06.000 Most definitely, I remember that. 00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:08.960 Like the whole entire uh story. 00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:20.000 I was just, I was like, I can't believe like like this little girl that I saw on TV is is identical to like uh her and I walked through the same hell. 00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:24.239 I was like, how did that how did that happen? 00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:24.800 Wow. 00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:25.199 Yeah. 00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:27.199 I'll have to I'll have to look it up. 00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:34.159 Um I was and like I stumbled upon it on my audio, my uh audible. 00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:39.599 Yeah, it just the the uh the the child actors they seem to go through hell for some reason. 00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:41.519 A lot of them have a hard time. 00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:45.119 Uh if I had kids, I think I would keep them away from child acting. 00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:47.119 It's it's everywhere, right? 00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:48.960 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:49.920 Yeah, unfortunately. 00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:52.079 Are you an animal lover? 00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:55.119 Dogs or cats? 00:56:55.519 --> 00:56:56.320 Doggies. 00:56:56.480 --> 00:56:58.079 Oh, what kind of dogs do you have? 00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:02.880 Uh two Frenchies, Coco, Coco Chanel, and uh Baron. 00:57:03.280 --> 00:57:05.599 Okay, and they're they're they're little angels. 00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:06.400 How old are they? 00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:08.000 Because I'm a dog person too. 00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:16.480 Uh Baron is gonna be six on December 2nd, and Coco is gonna be four June 17th. 00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:16.960 Yeah. 00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:17.519 Wow. 00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:20.320 Yeah, I have uh Ralphie and Jolene. 00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:24.880 And Ralphie is uh an American uh bulldog. 00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:26.960 Uh yeah, little chunky. 00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:34.320 Well, he's not an English bulldog, he's uh he's an old English Bulldog, so they they made him a little bit more athletic and bigger. 00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:37.280 Okay, so he's about 80 pounds, but he comes up to my knee. 00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:40.320 And then I have Jolene, and she's a female Kane Corso. 00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:41.280 Whoa. 00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:43.920 Yeah, she's big, she's 120 pounds. 00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:46.159 Does she think she's a lap dog? 00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:49.920 Yeah, when when um when we're done, I'll send you pictures. 00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:50.559 It's unbelievable. 00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:52.320 I have one picture of her. 00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:56.000 Her Aveva, I swear to god, her head is right next to mine. 00:57:56.079 --> 00:57:57.199 It's like this big. 00:57:58.159 --> 00:58:00.800 And what's she but she's yeah, she's like, I'm a little baby. 00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:05.280 Yeah, what's funny is people are scared of her, but you call my house, it's play it's playtime. 00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:05.920 It's playtime. 00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:06.400 Of course. 00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:07.760 Playtime, it's unbelievable. 00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:09.920 Yeah, that's joyful. 00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:14.559 Um, are you going to be at any more expos? 00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:17.840 I think there was an expo in Chicago that was just recent. 00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:18.480 Yeah. 00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:19.519 Will you be? 00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:21.039 I don't know when the next ones are. 00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:25.199 I think there's one in Florida, in Miami, if I'm right, or Orlando. 00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:28.079 And then there's gonna be the every year there's one in New Jersey. 00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:30.159 Yes, I was there last year. 00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:32.719 Um I'm not I'm not certain. 00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:33.920 I'm not certain. 00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:37.599 I do love being at AVN in my own backyard, you know. 00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:38.239 Oh, okay. 00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:39.280 I do love that. 00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:49.039 The uh the only thing with traveling for me is that sometimes I get a little bougie and then I'm like a million dollars out. 00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:50.559 I'm like, yeah. 00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:56.079 So so I'm trying to like pull back a little bit, but I don't know. 00:58:56.239 --> 00:58:59.119 I mean, if if the if the opportunity presents itself, I will. 00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:00.400 And I love getting a booth. 00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:12.400 I love getting a booth and signing autographs because I'm telling my and I know everyone always says this, but for me, my fans are so amazing. 00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:16.639 Like well, we have to we have to remember that we would be nothing without them. 00:59:16.880 --> 00:59:17.280 Exactly. 00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:26.239 I'll I'll be in a gutter, you know, uh, with whoever, Randos, but but these people are like, oh my god, uh I I I fall. 00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:27.519 They're like, they're

amazing. 00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:29.360 I gain weight, so hot. 00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:31.519 I I look crazy, the best. 00:59:31.679 --> 00:59:32.960 I'm like, are you kidding me? 00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:34.320 And they like you. 00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:36.079 Yeah, and look, some don't. 00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:42.800 I get it, but but generally speaking, I will say there's some like unconditional love there. 00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:43.440 No joke. 00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:47.360 I it's like we've I don't know, it it's very heartfelt. 00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:56.880 It's like I've built some relations, some friendships, some relationships with some of these fans, and they're just they're like, they're like my ride or die. 00:59:56.960 --> 00:59:58.400 It's so amazing. 00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:06.960 Yeah, they know the the the top tier girls uh have a really, really loyal follower. 01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:12.719 A tremendous lot, you Sarah J, um, Brittany Andrews, there's a tremendous lot. 01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:25.360 As a matter of fact, um, I think when I interviewed Sarah J, I uh I because I met her at the no, I I met her at the expo, but I got in touch with her through social media to get the interview, and then I met her at the expo in New Jersey. 01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:28.159 And tell me if I'm tell me if I'm wrong, and then then I'll let you go. 01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:29.679 I don't want to take too much of your time. 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:30.880 You're fine. 01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:37.360 When I went to the expo, there were basically four different types of people that go that go to the expo. 01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:38.480 Okay, let's hear it. 01:00:38.800 --> 01:00:42.159 All right, so the the one the first one was just the couples that want to like spice up their life. 01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:42.639 Yeah, right? 01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:51.840 The married couples or the boyfriend, girlfriend that they go there, and you know, because when you go there, there's all different types of toys and clothes, and and they're they actually have a really good time and they want to spice up their love life. 01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:53.519 With obviously nothing wrong with that. 01:00:53.760 --> 01:01:01.519 The second type is the guys that go to the bar and afterwards they're like they're drunk and they go, come on, let's go to the fucking expo. 01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:08.320 And there's like three, four, five of them, and then they're like they're doing things like picking you up over their head over your head and taking pictures of you and stuff like that, right? 01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:10.000 Am I accurate so far? 01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:19.920 I mean, I don't know about the drug people, but I I I will say this the couples that come are so supportive of each other. 01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:28.239 It like it it's like wow, relationship goals, like they are like women go, can you take a picture with my husband? 01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:29.199 I'm like, of course. 01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:30.719 I'm like, what about you? 01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:45.280 You know, and and like and but like how supportive, like you know, I I know I know so many people, or even when I used to be psycho jealous, you know, like I I don't I don't want to hear about that, or like and and like that's a team, yeah. 01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:46.639 They're doing it for each other, yeah. 01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:52.960 Yeah, and they're and then and then like the girls, like, oh, I love you know, we watch or whatever, like what a team. 01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:55.280 Like, wow, good for you guys. 01:01:55.519 --> 01:01:56.559 So yeah, I love that. 01:01:56.800 --> 01:02:04.960 Then the the third type of type of fan that I've saw when I went there uh was either I don't I wouldn't even call them trans. 01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:09.599 They're basically just finally comfortable in their own skin. 01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:16.079 It'll be like a guy that looks like me, throws, yeah, and with a bag, and you could clearly tell it's a dude. 01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:20.239 Um, but it's it's almost like uh oh, I fit in there. 01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:21.039 I could be myself. 01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:22.480 I'm comfortable in my own skin. 01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:23.039 Yes. 01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:24.159 I've seen that a lot. 01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:31.519 And then the the fourth type, which is I I call them what did I what did I call them? 01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:32.639 The super fans. 01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:44.880 They know everything about you, they know like where you're from, what your real name is, your birthday, they know your favorite color, they know what scene you did with who, they know everything about you, and they wait online for two hours to get an autograph. 01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:46.000 Yes, right? 01:02:46.480 --> 01:02:47.119 Yes. 01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:53.360 So those those seem to be the four types of uh fans that go that I've noticed. 01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:55.199 And then there's me who's trying to get interviews. 01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:58.159 I'm like, Ava, can you do Mike up podcast, please? 01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:01.360 But but what do they all have in common? 01:03:01.679 --> 01:03:12.800 They all they basically all love the industry, yeah, and and and they're just there like to to say, hey, I I watch you, I like you. 01:03:13.039 --> 01:03:13.360 Oh, yeah. 01:03:13.599 --> 01:03:14.079 Or absolutely. 01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:18.000 You know, like like get like God, that that's so wonderful. 01:03:18.079 --> 01:03:37.440 And you know how much like work or or or courage it is to go up to someone that you've watched for years or you see on the big screen or whatever, like do you much courage you gotta go up to someone and say, can I have an autograph in fear of rejection, in fear of they're gonna be mean, in fear they're gonna charge you a million dollars? 01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:39.039 Like, like whatever. 01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:42.639 Like, like

it's it's it's incre it's crazy. 01:03:42.719 --> 01:04:02.159 And like that's why I'm like, oh my God, I will I'll I'm so kind to each and every one because unless they're rude, but well, other than that, like it takes a lot of coverage because trust me, I saw some famous woman at at the airport one time, and and I saw a dead mouse at at the JSX one, and I was so nervous. 01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:03.440 I was so nervous. 01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:12.800 And and I and I wanted to go up to them, and I smiled at one of the girls and sh uh and she looked at me rudely, and I was like, wow, like how heartbroken I was. 01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:17.760 I was like, and I was so let down, I was like, I will not support him anymore. 01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:20.559 That's happened to that's happened to me, it's happened to all of us. 01:04:20.880 --> 01:04:24.480 Yeah, we've met people that we idolize and they're mean or they're rude. 01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:25.039 Sure. 01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:42.800 And and you never want to give that, and and I because of what you just said, I mean, basically this interview has made me admire you and respect you even more because I kind of got to know a little bit more about the real you as opposed to the first interview where we talked about um you know your experience in the industry. 01:04:43.039 --> 01:04:53.199 Yeah, I admire that even more because, like you said, uh there are people that idolize you and they just want to know that you are a pleasant person when they meet meet you. 01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:53.599 That's it. 01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:54.480 And I appreciate it. 01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:56.159 And I appreciate it. 01:04:56.320 --> 01:04:57.199 That's all they're looking for. 01:04:57.440 --> 01:04:58.400 Exactly, exactly. 01:04:58.480 --> 01:05:04.079 That's what each and all those four different fans you named are just want to say, Hey, I appreciate you. 01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:08.480 And for the and for the starlit or whoever to go, I appreciate you right back. 01:05:08.639 --> 01:05:09.760 Thank you for your support. 01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:11.840 That's all they want, that's all I want. 01:05:12.079 --> 01:05:13.039 Right, right, right, right. 01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:13.679 So, yeah. 01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:18.000 Well, uh, Ava, uh, all the love and respect in the world for you. 01:05:18.159 --> 01:05:19.119 Thank you so much. 01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:21.599 I appreciate you coming back on a second time. 01:05:21.679 --> 01:05:23.119 It really means a lot to me. 01:05:23.360 --> 01:05:24.159 Thank you so much. 01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:27.599 I hope this is enjoyable for everyone watching and for yourself. 01:05:27.920 --> 01:05:28.800 Oh, absolutely. 01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:30.800 This is this is good, definitely gonna do great. 01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:36.159 And um, we will definitely be in touch uh because we've stayed in touch for the last you know three years. 01:05:36.400 --> 01:05:36.800 Always. 01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:40.400 I yell at you, I curse you, and I tell you I love you, I tell you I hate you. 01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:41.199 We're good. 01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:43.039 Thank you so much, Ava. 01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:43.760 We'll be in touch. 01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:44.239 Thank you. 01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:45.039 All right, thank you. 01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:46.159 All right, have a good night. 01:05:46.400 --> 01:05:47.119 Bye bye.