Jakson EP 146: Sasquatch Variable täydellinen litterointi

But guys, tonight we do have Aaron 71 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:15.120 with us. And Aaron actually, sadly, wasn't with us last 72 00:04:15.180 --> 00:04:17.300 week while we were hanging out with Small Town Monsters. 73 00:04:17.339 --> 00:04:20.189 And neither Matt nor I were together last week at 74 00:04:20.230 --> 00:04:24.430 the same time. So it's been a week of, a 75 00:04:24.490 --> 00:04:27.189 couple weeks of Matt, you and I passing like two 76 00:04:27.230 --> 00:04:32.569 shelves at night. And our research, our research season's upon us. Brother, 77 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:33.959 we got to get out there because we've had some 78 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:36.000 very interesting things occur. So go ahead and I'll let 79 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:37.500 you take it away for a little bit about your 80 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:40.639 experience last week and uh, so forth. 81 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:44.100 Well, I'll tell you what, we had a great time 82 00:04:44.139 --> 00:04:47.610 meeting with, uh, the crew from small town monsters. Um, 83 00:04:47.790 --> 00:04:53.910 unfortunately I didn't get to have a repeat of, uh, 84 00:04:53.910 --> 00:04:57.350 2025 where we had the elk that walked in front 85 00:04:57.389 --> 00:05:00.550 of us with Heather and Courtney saying, Aaron, don't get 86 00:05:00.610 --> 00:05:02.209 out of the car. Don't get out of the car. 87 00:05:03.029 --> 00:05:04.870 Hey, those things are just nevermind. 88 00:05:04.910 --> 00:05:05.110 Sorry. 89 00:05:05.149 --> 00:05:05.269 Yeah. 90 00:05:07.110 --> 00:05:09.529 We did. I tried to show them the elk, but 91 00:05:09.949 --> 00:05:14.899 we took them to some incredible spots, including an area 92 00:05:14.939 --> 00:05:18.660 where last year we do our Potter County Town Hall. 93 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:21.459 And I was up there with Gwen Purcell and her husband. 94 00:05:22.139 --> 00:05:22.730 And you know what? 95 00:05:22.790 --> 00:05:25.790 We were just going up there just to do some 96 00:05:25.810 --> 00:05:29.449 call blasting. No, we didn't have our recorders out. We 97 00:05:29.470 --> 00:05:35.730 were just having fun. And man, something happened. where we 98 00:05:35.750 --> 00:05:40.529 had this tree just come ripping down from about, I'd 99 00:05:40.569 --> 00:05:44.649 say about 250, 300 yards from us. And that was 100 00:05:44.709 --> 00:05:47.620 just an incredible moment. So I got to take Seth 101 00:05:47.629 --> 00:05:51.939 and the crew there. And we got to spend some 102 00:05:51.959 --> 00:05:57.120 time in, you know, our backyard in north central PA 103 00:05:57.379 --> 00:06:01.410 and really hearing Seth and the crew talk about the beauty. 104 00:06:02.329 --> 00:06:07.129 of that particular area. Uh, it just really, uh, you know, 105 00:06:07.230 --> 00:06:12.029 warm my heart. So that was, uh, that was an excellent, uh, 106 00:06:12.230 --> 00:06:16.149 excellent time. I wish I could have been off, uh, uh, 107 00:06:16.170 --> 00:06:20.500 for the

taping with, uh, with Sean and, uh, but, uh, 108 00:06:20.860 --> 00:06:22.759 but I understand that they had a, they had a 109 00:06:22.779 --> 00:06:25.220 great night. I was there in spirit. I was going 110 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:27.459 around chatting. Yeah, I was chatting. I was sending them 111 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:31.550 the Onyx links and yeah, we're going back and forth. Um, 112 00:06:31.810 --> 00:06:33.629 I did find, I don't know if I should say anything, 113 00:06:33.689 --> 00:06:38.600 but I, I did find some interesting information about where 114 00:06:38.620 --> 00:06:43.600 they were. And, uh, I'll, I'll, I'll tell you because 115 00:06:43.860 --> 00:06:47.220 it's really, it's really something. Cause I did see that, uh, 116 00:06:47.259 --> 00:06:49.560 we do have a couple of people from STM that are, uh, 117 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:53.050 that are here that maybe were out in those woods, uh, 118 00:06:53.389 --> 00:06:56.029 last week with, uh, with Sean and, uh, and Mike, 119 00:06:56.709 --> 00:07:01.300 but there is a local legend of a ghost. on 120 00:07:01.339 --> 00:07:05.060 that particular road where they were at. And the ghost 121 00:07:05.540 --> 00:07:10.439 name is crush face. So the reason he got that 122 00:07:10.500 --> 00:07:14.949 name is he was a lumberjack, uh, back at the 123 00:07:14.970 --> 00:07:18.370 turn of the century, apparently was involved in a logging accident. 124 00:07:18.930 --> 00:07:21.050 The log happened to hit him, you know, smack in 125 00:07:21.069 --> 00:07:25.500 the face. And yeah, that'll, that'll, that'll really kind of 126 00:07:25.540 --> 00:07:30.120 get you going. But, uh, at that point, um, Over 127 00:07:30.149 --> 00:07:34.800 the last, you know, probably 75 years, they've been seeing, yes, Brian, 128 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:40.360 crush face. They have been seeing this ghost walking around 129 00:07:41.379 --> 00:07:45.120 the mountains of north central PA in that particular valley 130 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:49.980 where he met his demise. So you may not find Bigfoot, 131 00:07:50.019 --> 00:07:52.459 but you know what? Maybe you're going to, you know, 132 00:07:52.699 --> 00:07:54.040 run into crush face. 133 00:07:54.180 --> 00:07:56.040 Aaron, I think I have a new project for us. 134 00:07:56.600 --> 00:07:57.240 Hey, I'm fearful. 135 00:07:58.079 --> 00:07:59.240 Project Crush Face. 136 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:00.459 Project Crush Face. 137 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:02.110 That's the name of a. 138 00:08:02.360 --> 00:08:03.839 The flannel killer. 139 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:06.439 A robot from that show BattleBots. I don't know why 140 00:08:06.459 --> 00:08:07.319 that's the first name. 141 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:09.079 I knew a girl named Crush Face. 142 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:14.329 Oh, boy. Baker. He's one more comment away from getting 143 00:08:14.350 --> 00:08:15.750 the permanent mute button tonight. 144 00:08:17.949 --> 00:08:18.389 Wow. 145 00:08:18.850 --> 00:08:23.250 Anyhow. Matt, thanks for sharing that with us today. And again, 146 00:08:23.310 --> 00:08:27.319 I'm excited because... we've never heard of that before all 147 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:28.759 the time we spent up there. I've never heard of 148 00:08:28.819 --> 00:08:31.560 crush face nor, and now I'm really intrigued. 149 00:08:31.779 --> 00:08:36.950 It came up in one of the, uh, Potter County legends, uh, legends, 150 00:08:37.009 --> 00:08:40.090 myths and lore. And I just, I literally just found 151 00:08:40.169 --> 00:08:43.370 out about tonight. So I went in. 152 00:08:43.570 --> 00:08:43.929 Yeah. 153 00:08:44.350 --> 00:08:44.610 Yeah. 154 00:08:45.169 --> 00:08:47.789 Well, there we go. We're going to have to, and 155 00:08:47.899 --> 00:08:51.519 as Steve, I like to say, talk about a wood knock. Yeah, absolutely. 156 00:08:51.539 --> 00:08:56.120 That'll do it. Well, Without delaying more into this, we're 157 00:08:56.139 --> 00:08:58.639 already almost 10 minutes into the show. I do want 158 00:08:58.659 --> 00:09:02.139 to start getting some questions for Aaron because he is 159 00:09:02.179 --> 00:09:03.919 our guest of honor tonight. And if we don't stop, 160 00:09:03.980 --> 00:09:06.659 Matt and I will go on all evening. 161 00:09:06.820 --> 00:09:09.460 I've missed just talking to you guys. So this is cool. 162 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:10.190 I mean, you know. 163 00:09:10.210 --> 00:09:13.090 Well, that's what this is like. It's just like having conversations. 164 00:09:13.570 --> 00:09:15.429 But it's focused on you. And I know that's not 165 00:09:15.470 --> 00:09:18.250 always a comfortable thing to the guests. It's all about you, man. 166 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:20.980 It's all about you tonight. Aaron, we'll start off with 167 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:24.200 the question we ask all our guests that come on 168 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:26.620 and do this. How the hell did you get started 169 00:09:27.100 --> 00:09:31.740 in this wild journey you started to take? 170 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:36.340 It's something I've always been interested in at one capacity 171 00:09:36.379 --> 00:09:38.879 or another. My mom watched Unsolved Mysteries when I was 172 00:09:38.919 --> 00:09:43.529 a kid, and that was kind of my introduction. What 173 00:09:43.909 --> 00:09:47.350 really kicked it for me was when the Mothman Prophecies 174 00:09:47.389 --> 00:09:50.610 came out, the movie. I saw it on opening night 175 00:09:50.649 --> 00:09:53.440 with two friends, one of whom is no longer with us, 176 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:56.620 I learned recently. But watching that movie, and I read 177 00:09:56.639 --> 00:09:58.710 the book around the same time, I can't remember if 178 00:09:58.769 --> 00:10:00.980 it was before or after. I think it was like during. 179 00:10:01.139 --> 00:10:02.740 I think I had started it and then like finished 180 00:10:02.779 --> 00:10:05.759 it after I saw the film. And at the end 181 00:10:05.799 -->

00:10:07.700 of that, I was like, even if none of this 182 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:12.779 actually happened, people think that this happened. And that's fascinating. 183 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:16.019 That's amazing to me, you know. Um, so it kind 184 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:18.440 of just stuck around throughout most of my life as a, 185 00:10:18.580 --> 00:10:21.860 as an interest. And then once the pandemic, you know, got, 186 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:26.379 got underway, uh, like a lot of people who started 187 00:10:26.419 --> 00:10:30.419 podcasting during that era, Hey Jay, I know him. Um, 188 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:33.769 I started podcasting about the paranormal during the pandemic and 189 00:10:33.809 --> 00:10:39.049 that in a roundabout way, not roundabout, fairly direct actually, uh, 190 00:10:39.190 --> 00:10:41.470 led me to be acquainted with Seth and Heather and 191 00:10:41.889 --> 00:10:44.639 the rest of the crew over there. And, Now that's 192 00:10:44.679 --> 00:10:47.710 what I do most of the time. I love that. 193 00:10:48.330 --> 00:10:50.769 Well, the pandemic brought us out of retirement too. Like 194 00:10:50.789 --> 00:10:52.429 with such much experience, we all had a little bit 195 00:10:52.450 --> 00:10:54.669 of extra time. So it's like, what are we going 196 00:10:54.690 --> 00:10:57.570 to do besides start podcasting again, which is great. And, 197 00:10:58.370 --> 00:11:01.309 you know, it's interesting that a lot of us come 198 00:11:01.370 --> 00:11:04.110 from that. I think kind of generationally, you and I 199 00:11:04.149 --> 00:11:09.289 might be in that same, you know, category or generation 200 00:11:09.309 --> 00:11:11.629 or whatever you want to call it. The unsolved mysteries. 201 00:11:12.730 --> 00:11:14.929 in search of kind of crowd. And that's all we 202 00:11:14.970 --> 00:11:17.769 had growing up there. And we didn't have small town 203 00:11:17.809 --> 00:11:21.190 monsters back then. We didn't have a lot of this. Uh, 204 00:11:21.269 --> 00:11:24.269 we didn't have YouTube or any of these, you know, 205 00:11:24.549 --> 00:11:29.759 content created media that's, that's out there. Uh, the endless 206 00:11:29.799 --> 00:11:31.639 supply of cryptozoology, good and bad. 207 00:11:32.100 --> 00:11:32.360 Right. 208 00:11:32.580 --> 00:11:36.419 And so it's a much different time. And I'm glad 209 00:11:36.500 --> 00:11:38.460 that you took the foray into that because when we 210 00:11:38.500 --> 00:11:40.620 got to meet you and hang out and, You know, 211 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:42.710 you're somebody that is passionate about this and it's a 212 00:11:42.750 --> 00:11:46.950 genuine thing. And I think it's important to notate that 213 00:11:46.990 --> 00:11:49.250 this isn't just a fly by night thing for you. 214 00:11:49.289 --> 00:11:51.600 You got bit by the bug. And once that happens, 215 00:11:51.669 --> 00:11:52.980 it's it's dangerous. 216 00:11:53.659 --> 00:11:55.840 It doesn't leave you alone.

Yeah, for sure. You hear 217 00:11:55.860 --> 00:11:58.279 a lot of people say like, oh, the phenomenon chooses you. 218 00:11:58.379 --> 00:12:02.000 And like, you know, in a in a very abstract, 219 00:12:02.019 --> 00:12:06.529 broad reaching way, broad reaching way. There we go. Um, 220 00:12:06.710 --> 00:12:08.149 I think that applies to a lot of us. I 221 00:12:08.169 --> 00:12:10.250 think we kind of stumble into it and then stick around, 222 00:12:10.350 --> 00:12:11.529 but yeah. 223 00:12:11.549 --> 00:12:14.450 Very much so. And it is, it's a much, much 224 00:12:14.509 --> 00:12:17.470 of a mystery as the mystery itself is, you know, 225 00:12:17.490 --> 00:12:19.389 to me, I always say it beats bowling. Not that 226 00:12:19.409 --> 00:12:22.210 there's anything wrong with people that bowl or anything like that, 227 00:12:22.250 --> 00:12:24.850 but this is my, this is how I relax, you know, getting, 228 00:12:25.129 --> 00:12:26.590 going out into the woods to get chased by big 229 00:12:26.629 --> 00:12:30.429 hairy monsters. Uh, no Baker, don't touch that. Stop. I 230 00:12:30.429 --> 00:12:31.309 didn't say anything. 231 00:12:31.409 --> 00:12:32.350 I saw the eyebrow. 232 00:12:32.950 --> 00:12:35.919 I saw the eyebrow twitch. I, I, I, First of all, 233 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:38.179 I was going to state the fact is a lot 234 00:12:38.220 --> 00:12:41.600 of times it's kind of like once you get into 235 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:46.210 certain things, like I used to collect trains, I connect robots, 236 00:12:46.269 --> 00:12:48.809 I collect a bunch of things. You find other people 237 00:12:48.830 --> 00:12:53.610 that are semi-interested in it or you tell somebody and they, 238 00:12:53.950 --> 00:12:56.090 like when I tell people what I do on the 239 00:12:56.149 --> 00:12:57.809 side here and hanging out with him and go to 240 00:12:57.850 --> 00:13:00.730 these festivals and everybody's like, there's the people that are 241 00:13:00.789 --> 00:13:04.029 either really hyper-interested and, oh, wait, what'd you see? What'd 242 00:13:04.049 --> 00:13:05.840 you do with this? I said, I saw nothing, but 243 00:13:05.860 --> 00:13:06.539 I got drunk all day. 244 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:10.840 Okay. It was an amazing time. Okay. But, but then 245 00:13:10.860 --> 00:13:12.480 you have the other ones on the other half that 246 00:13:12.500 --> 00:13:15.070 go like my, my brother's one. They'll go, so did 247 00:13:15.110 --> 00:13:16.230 you see Bigfoot today? 248 00:13:16.250 --> 00:13:18.870 I went to work, dumbass. Okay. 249 00:13:18.909 --> 00:13:22.250 Like, but those people, the people that remind you and 250 00:13:22.350 --> 00:13:25.220 drive you to like, I'm going to go try to 251 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:27.539 go out in the woods because I can forget he exists. 252 00:13:27.980 --> 00:13:30.820 You know, or I or, you know, like you learn 253 00:13:30.860 --> 00:13:33.779 more about something because then when they make some stupid comment, 254 00:13:33.820 --> 00:13:37.629 you're like, no, it's got a rocket. It's not a 255 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:39.090 red rocket. It's a regular. 256 00:13:39.110 --> 00:13:41.450 OK, you know. 257 00:13:41.870 --> 00:13:46.350 That lady again. Oh, my God. That's that. Maybe you're 258 00:13:46.429 --> 00:13:49.370 going to you. You upset the Canadians. I had to 259 00:13:49.409 --> 00:13:52.330 do some backpedaling on that one. It wasn't the penis 260 00:13:52.370 --> 00:13:54.860 that bothered the Canadians. They have no trouble with the penis. 261 00:13:55.299 --> 00:13:57.940 It had to do with smoke in their area caused 262 00:13:57.980 --> 00:14:01.000 by a forest fire. So let's be clear why I 263 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:06.580 pissed them off. And specifically, Karen said she talked for them. Right. 264 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:07.799 Who spoke for all Canadians. 265 00:14:07.830 --> 00:14:09.169 Who is she, Justin Trudeau? 266 00:14:10.049 --> 00:14:10.330 Right? 267 00:14:10.970 --> 00:14:14.509 I'm surprised you knew that. That's impressive. Yeah, James does 268 00:14:14.529 --> 00:14:19.320 know some shit. And again... Folks, we apologize for the 269 00:14:19.379 --> 00:14:22.799 red rocket question. That's going to get the ladies all. 270 00:14:22.820 --> 00:14:26.179 That's a dog, man. That's a biological question, by the way. 271 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:28.720 I know the difference. 272 00:14:28.779 --> 00:14:32.139 What's chasing you? We digress. We behave. Yes. Put you 273 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:34.289 in the corner. Matt, you're going to have to take 274 00:14:34.330 --> 00:14:38.789 it away here in a second. Oh, good God. We 275 00:14:38.809 --> 00:14:40.070 were talking about you getting. 276 00:14:39.970 --> 00:14:42.110 Into the conversation and, you. 277 00:14:42.029 --> 00:14:44.610 Know, getting hooked up with small town monsters and going 278 00:14:44.649 --> 00:14:46.330 on the road. And what's been some of the great 279 00:14:46.409 --> 00:14:49.889 things that. uh, has kept you going with STM, man. 280 00:14:49.909 --> 00:14:53.029 Like you've, you've just dive in. You didn't wait and 281 00:14:53.070 --> 00:14:53.659 you dove in. 282 00:14:54.169 --> 00:14:54.629 Yeah. 283 00:14:54.649 --> 00:14:55.950 You just jumped right into the pool. 284 00:14:56.470 --> 00:14:58.450 I kind of, I still feel like I tripped. I said, 285 00:14:58.470 --> 00:15:01.080 I think I used the phrase tripping into it earlier 286 00:15:01.100 --> 00:15:04.620 and I feel like that's a lot of it. But, um, yeah, I, I, 287 00:15:04.899 --> 00:15:09.080 I came from a career that I liked for a 288 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:12.019 long time and then really didn't like for a lot 289 00:15:12.340 --> 00:15:15.669 for not as long as I liked it. But, um, 290 00:15:16.149 --> 00:15:18.289 I just reached a point where I was not happy 291 00:15:18.330 --> 00:15:20.210 anymore and what I was doing. And my son was 292 00:15:20.230 --> 00:15:22.350 like

six months old at the time. And he was 293 00:15:22.409 --> 00:15:26.029 noticing when I left for work and that was really difficult. So, um, 294 00:15:26.429 --> 00:15:29.350 I left my old job, not really being sure what 295 00:15:29.389 --> 00:15:30.879 I was going to do next, other than being a 296 00:15:30.909 --> 00:15:34.559 stay at home dad. And around that time, Seth was like, well, Hey, 297 00:15:35.299 --> 00:15:38.039 do you want to maybe like do some work with us? 298 00:15:38.059 --> 00:15:43.559 And every step of the way, it's been the most fun, rewarding, uh, 299 00:15:45.279 --> 00:15:49.279 interesting job that I've ever had because it, it, it 300 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:52.639 started as a passion, you know, it started as a hobby. Um, 301 00:15:53.490 --> 00:15:55.210 so I had a couple of years to try it 302 00:15:55.350 --> 00:15:57.350 out before I had any idea that I was going 303 00:15:57.370 --> 00:16:01.389 to do it full time every day, you know? And 304 00:16:01.429 --> 00:16:03.830 I guess that it's just something I like doing. Like 305 00:16:03.850 --> 00:16:05.690 that's a really simple roundabout way of saying, it's just 306 00:16:05.710 --> 00:16:08.529 something I really, really like doing. And the crew's great. Like, 307 00:16:08.750 --> 00:16:12.029 you know, everybody at STM is a genuinely, uh, genuinely 308 00:16:12.110 --> 00:16:16.129 good person um who i would consider a friend beyond 309 00:16:16.169 --> 00:16:17.990 the stuff that we do that has anything to do 310 00:16:18.009 --> 00:16:20.029 with bigfoot and that's hard to find like it's hard 311 00:16:20.049 --> 00:16:22.360 to find anywhere but never mind the people that you 312 00:16:22.399 --> 00:16:25.879 talk to every day for work you know um i 313 00:16:25.899 --> 00:16:27.679 don't know like what keeps me going with it i 314 00:16:27.700 --> 00:16:30.519 don't have a reason to stop i have yet to 315 00:16:30.580 --> 00:16:32.860 find a reason to quit there are days where i'm 316 00:16:32.899 --> 00:16:34.759 tired don't want to talk about bigfoot anymore but i 317 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:37.419 think that's that's everything you know. 318 00:16:37.379 --> 00:16:40.139 Right yeah yeah I think we all have that problem, 319 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:42.299 especially when there's so many people talking about it now. 320 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:44.850 It's different when it's original and fresh and now there's 321 00:16:44.899 --> 00:16:47.769 so many voices. That's not necessarily a bad thing. I 322 00:16:47.789 --> 00:16:50.210 don't want to go on a whole diatribe about the 323 00:16:50.250 --> 00:16:54.649 state of cryptozoology or Bigfoot podcasting, and we could, right? 324 00:16:55.129 --> 00:16:57.129 And folks, just remember, just because you can do something 325 00:16:57.149 --> 00:17:00.730 doesn't mean you should. But, and we need to take 326 00:17:00.769 --> 00:17:05.569 that advice sometimes ourselves, but again, I think if anything, 327 00:17:05.609 --> 00:17:10.460 you've really helped expand the quality of the work STM 328 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:13.140 is doing. And I think I had that conversation with 329 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:14.740 Seth last week. Like, I think you've been a great 330 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:18.960 addition to the team. And again, I'm a longtime supporter, 331 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:21.220 you know, I was supporting it when it was, there's 332 00:17:21.259 --> 00:17:24.180 just Minerva, which is my least favorite. I got maybe 333 00:17:24.220 --> 00:17:28.269 set the cringe when I say that, but again, I 334 00:17:28.829 --> 00:17:30.410 really do think that the work you do is great. 335 00:17:30.450 --> 00:17:32.150 And I actually had the privilege of being out in 336 00:17:32.170 --> 00:17:34.200 the field and spending time with you you touch on 337 00:17:34.220 --> 00:17:35.609 that a little bit on your book and we'll get 338 00:17:35.630 --> 00:17:37.250 to the book in just a minute. Cause you know, 339 00:17:37.390 --> 00:17:39.430 you got books to sell and we're got you here 340 00:17:39.450 --> 00:17:42.369 to do that. But you know, you've been out in 341 00:17:42.410 --> 00:17:45.970 the field, you've done, you've done on the trail of UFOs, right? 342 00:17:46.099 --> 00:17:49.380 You've done, you know, some of the Bigfoot. What's been 343 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:50.759 your favorite topic to tackle? 344 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:55.160 Oh, if you'd asked me that six months ago or 345 00:17:55.539 --> 00:17:58.130 maybe a year ago, I would have said dog, man. Um, 346 00:17:58.910 --> 00:18:02.079 and I'll always, always have a, uh, a special kind 347 00:18:02.099 --> 00:18:04.039 of affection for that topic. Cause it's the one that 348 00:18:04.140 --> 00:18:08.980 really like, sorry, uh, that's the one that really kind 349 00:18:09.019 --> 00:18:11.200 of roped me into this to the point that I 350 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:12.839 was like, okay, there's enough here that I could go 351 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:15.539 back every day and keep researching this. And I still 352 00:18:15.579 --> 00:18:19.289 feel that way about that topic. Um, but as dog 353 00:18:19.329 --> 00:18:23.250 man has grown in popularity within the wider sphere of 354 00:18:23.289 --> 00:18:27.430 the paranormal niche, uh, the fun of researching it has 355 00:18:27.710 --> 00:18:31.109 diminished somewhat, uh, Um, kind of, kind of in the 356 00:18:31.170 --> 00:18:33.470 way you were talking about earlier, you know, the, the, 357 00:18:33.509 --> 00:18:36.309 the romance of the pre internet to early internet days, 358 00:18:36.769 --> 00:18:38.930 that's kind of gone now. Like there's a lot of voices, 359 00:18:38.970 --> 00:18:41.359 a lot of personalities, a lot of contrasting opinions and 360 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:44.940 not saying that's a bad thing either. Um, but in 361 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:47.660 the dog man world, I feel like it's sometimes a 362 00:18:47.700 --> 00:18:52.640

competition to see like just who can have the craziest story, 363 00:18:52.900 --> 00:18:55.740 you know, and, and everything I could say about dog, man, 364 00:18:55.769 --> 00:18:59.150 you could also say about the Bigfoot community, but sure. 365 00:18:59.589 --> 00:19:04.390 You know, sometimes I'll start thinking about this and I'm like, 366 00:19:04.650 --> 00:19:06.289 how is this different though? Because it's kind of the 367 00:19:06.329 --> 00:19:09.210 same in the UFO world. It's the same in the 368 00:19:09.430 --> 00:19:10.990 ghost world. It's the same. 369 00:19:11.029 --> 00:19:12.549 My evidence is bigger than yours. 370 00:19:13.029 --> 00:19:17.529 Yeah, exactly. Everybody knows, but nobody actually knows. But I 371 00:19:17.569 --> 00:19:21.029 don't know, man. It's at one point when I wrote 372 00:19:21.069 --> 00:19:24.150 the Texas Dogman Triangle, it was a struggle to find 373 00:19:24.230 --> 00:19:28.240 enough dogman witnesses in Texas to justify writing a book. 374 00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:31.309 And I still think, We did a good job. I 375 00:19:31.349 --> 00:19:35.380 say we. I had a lot of help. Now, if 376 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:39.200 I just search Texas dog man, I can't. You're tripping 377 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:44.289 over comments. Instagram, TikTok stuff. A lot of it's AI schlock. 378 00:19:44.349 --> 00:19:47.170 A lot of it's maybe legitimate eyewitness encounters. But there's 379 00:19:47.210 --> 00:19:50.410 a very deep pool now. The pool is much. deeper, 380 00:19:50.470 --> 00:19:52.869 but it's also polluted. There's a lot of other stuff 381 00:19:52.910 --> 00:19:57.150 in there. So when I wrote TDT, I was reasonably 382 00:19:57.190 --> 00:20:00.380 convinced that anybody I talked to was sincere because there 383 00:20:00.390 --> 00:20:02.980 was zero motivation to lie about any of this. There 384 00:20:03.019 --> 00:20:06.420 was no atmosphere in which lying about this made sense. 385 00:20:07.259 --> 00:20:10.019 that's not true anymore. And now if you have a 386 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:13.460 wild dog man story, it's very clickable. It's very, it 387 00:20:13.519 --> 00:20:17.029 generates a lot of attention. So I don't know. I 388 00:20:17.069 --> 00:20:18.890 don't know. Dog man has been my favorite for a 389 00:20:18.910 --> 00:20:23.150 long time while I was writing Sasquatch variables, very much Bigfoot. 390 00:20:24.289 --> 00:20:27.069 Cause I feel like writing that book really like rejuvenated 391 00:20:27.109 --> 00:20:29.150 my passion for it in a way that I didn't 392 00:20:29.230 --> 00:20:33.339 think was possible. But right now, I don't know. I'm 393 00:20:33.380 --> 00:20:35.839 kind of, I'm kind of floating. I'm kind of drifting. 394 00:20:35.940 --> 00:20:37.900 It'll probably end up being whenever I write the next 395 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:40.920 book about, which I know I can't say what that 396 00:20:40.980 --> 00:20:41.279 is yet. 397 00:20:41.380 --> 00:20:43.519 So don't give any spoilers. 398 00:20:44.059 --> 00:20:48.190 Tune into the project announcement stream on October 7th over 399 00:20:48.250 --> 00:20:50.250 the small town monsters, YouTube channel to find out. There 400 00:20:50.269 --> 00:20:50.509 you go. 401 00:20:50.750 --> 00:20:53.390 October 7th, your folks, your butts better be in the 402 00:20:53.430 --> 00:20:56.309 seats glued to the screen for the next announcement. And even, 403 00:20:56.329 --> 00:20:57.549 I don't know what it is yet. So don't try 404 00:20:57.569 --> 00:21:00.230 to bother me about it. I don't even, I like 405 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:03.140 the surprise too. It's hard to surprise me anymore. I 406 00:21:03.180 --> 00:21:04.380 like to, I like secrets. 407 00:21:05.099 --> 00:21:06.920 I'll tell you. Not right now, but I. 408 00:21:06.900 --> 00:21:12.140 Will tell you. Don't do that. I want a surprise too, Aaron. 409 00:21:13.079 --> 00:21:14.789 Where's my list of questions here? I know that seems 410 00:21:14.829 --> 00:21:18.130 really silly, but you spent a lot of time, you know, 411 00:21:18.170 --> 00:21:21.269 documenting Dogman stories. And, you know, I think you, we 412 00:21:21.289 --> 00:21:24.549 probably have conflicting opinions on Dogman, which is funny because 413 00:21:24.569 --> 00:21:28.069 I've spent so much time on Bigfoot myself, but I'm, 414 00:21:29.329 --> 00:21:33.000 I'm anti-dog man. It's sad that I am that way. 415 00:21:33.299 --> 00:21:33.779 But you know what? 416 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:34.599 Well, I understand. 417 00:21:34.619 --> 00:21:37.740 I don't know if I'm anti about it because I 418 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:40.680 think it's just absurd or if it's because of all 419 00:21:40.700 --> 00:21:43.579 the stories, you know? Because there were some stories I've 420 00:21:43.599 --> 00:21:48.700 heard which absolutely make sense and absolutely are, I could 421 00:21:48.740 --> 00:21:50.990 see being plausible. And then there's all this fiction that 422 00:21:51.049 --> 00:21:53.670 comes out, you know, the Bigfoot dog man wars and 423 00:21:53.690 --> 00:21:57.049 all this other crap that, you know, people promote out 424 00:21:57.089 --> 00:22:01.150 there as being legitimate situations that just as, as somebody 425 00:22:01.190 --> 00:22:03.289 who tries to keep this as core, as scientific as 426 00:22:03.369 --> 00:22:07.490 possible drives me up the wall. And I think that's 427 00:22:07.589 --> 00:22:09.589 why I have such a problem with dog man is 428 00:22:09.670 --> 00:22:12.819 the absurdity of, I just think those stories seem to 429 00:22:12.859 --> 00:22:15.470 go a little bit more to the extreme than the 430 00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:19.119 Bigfoot encounters. A lot of your Bigfoot encounter encounters are benign, right? 431 00:22:19.220 --> 00:22:22.220 They're just basic. I say basic again. I always do that, Matt, 432 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:24.460 you know, run of the mill road crossing, which in 433 00:22:24.500 --> 00:22:29.029

themselves are, you know, extraordinary, but, It's not like a dogma, like, oh, 434 00:22:29.210 --> 00:22:31.130 I made eye contact with this thing, and it was 435 00:22:31.210 --> 00:22:33.799 truly an ancient beast, and I could feel the evil. 436 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:38.279 Like, man, tone back. And that's where the difficulty comes in, 437 00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:43.680 I think, because that level of intensity within that phenomenon 438 00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:47.589 is already kind of amped up. I mean, I'm not 439 00:22:47.650 --> 00:22:50.349 talking about anybody in particular. I'm not pointing to any 440 00:22:50.390 --> 00:22:53.710 particular witness, but when something reaches this point of inundation, 441 00:22:53.990 --> 00:22:56.400 There are going to be people out there making up stories. 442 00:22:56.440 --> 00:22:58.480 That's just a fact. I've said that on the CM Live. 443 00:22:58.500 --> 00:23:00.839 I'll say it again a hundred times. So I feel 444 00:23:00.859 --> 00:23:04.480 like that level of amping it up is so much 445 00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:08.670 more extreme because the baseline stories were already kind of intense. 446 00:23:09.710 --> 00:23:12.190 If you look at just the Dogman encounters that Linda 447 00:23:12.210 --> 00:23:16.690 Godfrey wrote about, those were already getting into some spooky territory. 448 00:23:16.730 --> 00:23:19.660 So now it's like, oh, man. Whoever this person is 449 00:23:19.700 --> 00:23:21.519 that's out there going, I've got to one up this, 450 00:23:21.579 --> 00:23:23.440 you know, what are they going to do next? It 451 00:23:23.500 --> 00:23:24.099 flies now. 452 00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:24.819 I don't know. 453 00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:28.670 Like, and that's kind of where it's getting. If you 454 00:23:28.710 --> 00:23:33.089 go perusing the online sphere and dogman encounters, that's kind 455 00:23:33.109 --> 00:23:34.390 of the territory we're getting into. 456 00:23:34.650 --> 00:23:37.309 Well, look, I was in on the ground early on the, 457 00:23:37.430 --> 00:23:40.410 what became the lichen loop up in Pennsylvania, right? The 458 00:23:40.529 --> 00:23:45.799 area concentrate, everything's geometric, you know, loops and triangles. Yeah. 459 00:23:45.859 --> 00:23:50.150 Cause that's human brains, right? We always like to correlate 460 00:23:50.210 --> 00:23:54.170 things to shapes because we can relate to it. It's 461 00:23:54.210 --> 00:23:58.740 good for geographic locations. Thank you, Bermuda. But with that 462 00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:01.839 being said, to your point, at this point, I'm waiting 463 00:24:01.900 --> 00:24:05.700 for a man in a trench coat chasing dogmen around 464 00:24:05.740 --> 00:24:09.789 the woods, yelling, I shot him six times. It needs 465 00:24:09.849 --> 00:24:13.470 its own Dr. Loomis now. Maybe that could be you. 466 00:24:13.490 --> 00:24:18.119 These stories get so outrageous and I don't know. It just, 467 00:24:18.220 --> 00:24:19.920 it just gets

to me in that way. Like it's 468 00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:23.900 almost fictional to the, you know, to a, to a parody, 469 00:24:24.099 --> 00:24:24.640 you know. 470 00:24:24.759 --> 00:24:28.119 And, and that's become my main frustration with it because 471 00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:30.940 I'm a very, very big believer in being beholden to 472 00:24:31.019 --> 00:24:33.869 eyewitness testimony and taking people at their word when they 473 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:35.789 go out on a limb to share a story with you. 474 00:24:36.140 --> 00:24:39.289 I think that's core to what we do at STM. Um, 475 00:24:39.450 --> 00:24:41.789 and personally, I just think it's important, like, you know, 476 00:24:41.890 --> 00:24:43.849 treat people with decency, take them at their word when 477 00:24:43.869 --> 00:24:49.460 you can. But, uh, you there's that. And then there's 478 00:24:49.519 --> 00:24:53.400 like wanting to, to be maybe skeptical is the wrong word, 479 00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:56.240 but wanting to be logical and pragmatic and say, okay, but, 480 00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:57.380 but like, what about this? 481 00:24:57.660 --> 00:24:57.900 You know? 482 00:24:57.960 --> 00:25:01.240 Cause sometimes someone will give you an encounter story and 483 00:25:01.279 --> 00:25:03.819 this is not, I'm not thinking of anything that's appeared 484 00:25:03.859 --> 00:25:05.440 in any of my books or any of our films. 485 00:25:05.460 --> 00:25:08.259 You know, sometimes we have to, sometimes you admit things. 486 00:25:08.319 --> 00:25:11.480 I've admitted things in books before, but sometimes someone will 487 00:25:11.509 --> 00:25:14.150 give you a story and they'll describe what happened. And 488 00:25:14.190 --> 00:25:17.920 it's like, okay, this could be a cryptozoological encounter, but 489 00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:20.200 then they start adding things in that don't make sense. 490 00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:22.809 Like if you're watching a movie and you start asking, 491 00:25:22.950 --> 00:25:25.589 why is the hero doing this? Why is the protagonist 492 00:25:25.630 --> 00:25:26.730 making these decisions? 493 00:25:28.250 --> 00:25:28.650 Yeah. 494 00:25:28.730 --> 00:25:30.890 And it's like, well, they're making these decisions because the 495 00:25:30.950 --> 00:25:33.029 writers or the director needed to move them into the 496 00:25:33.089 --> 00:25:38.099 next act. So yeah, they needed a MacGuffin. Sometimes you'll 497 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:40.880 hear an encounter or you'll talk to somebody and, and 498 00:25:40.940 --> 00:25:44.299 it's like, you get that same feeling of like this 499 00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:46.339 just doesn't make sense in reality i don't know why 500 00:25:46.380 --> 00:25:48.460 you would do that and again i'm not i'm not 501 00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:51.000 like throwing shade at anybody that's out there i'm not 502 00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:52.900 talking about anybody that i've worked with i don't do 503 00:25:52.940 --> 00:25:56.700 that as a

matter of policy um but but it's 504 00:25:56.740 --> 00:25:58.460 just out there it's a part of the vibe you 505 00:25:58.500 --> 00:26:01.720 know it's out there now so it's tough i mean 506 00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:03.000 you make a. 507 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:05.240 Good point we always talk about this when we talk 508 00:26:05.289 --> 00:26:09.579 about I always have this biggest problem when we talk 509 00:26:09.619 --> 00:26:12.740 about when we have moments with someone who's truly seen something. 510 00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:17.440 You can always tell to a degree, especially when you've, like, 511 00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:20.140 I've never seen anything, but I believe people that have 512 00:26:20.180 --> 00:26:22.740 said they have. But I also have that in the 513 00:26:22.779 --> 00:26:25.920 back of my head is you can look at them physically, 514 00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:27.960 and I'm sure Matt's better at it than I am 515 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:31.509 because being a police officer, but if they don't believe 516 00:26:31.569 --> 00:26:34.829 that you're following the story or that you're caring about 517 00:26:34.910 --> 00:26:38.609 what they're saying, They'll add a notch. Like, no, it 518 00:26:38.650 --> 00:26:42.089 was a big foot, but he was seven. He was, no, 519 00:26:42.109 --> 00:26:43.349 I don't think it was seven. I think he was 520 00:26:43.430 --> 00:26:45.190 nine feet tall and. 521 00:26:44.829 --> 00:26:48.819 He was carrying a goat or a raccoon or half 522 00:26:48.859 --> 00:26:50.900 a raccoon. The goat was talking. 523 00:26:51.140 --> 00:26:51.559 Yeah. 524 00:26:52.740 --> 00:26:55.180 And in the background, there were all these orbs and 525 00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:56.240 I'm like, yeah, sure, man. 526 00:26:56.519 --> 00:26:56.700 Okay. 527 00:26:57.000 --> 00:26:59.579 But there's a point where you lose the, like the 528 00:26:59.619 --> 00:27:02.960 first investigation me and Forker ever went to together was, 529 00:27:03.339 --> 00:27:05.299 We went and just talked to this gentleman and this 530 00:27:05.319 --> 00:27:07.779 gentleman plots down this picture and he. 531 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:10.789 Circled all this stuff. And I hate circlers, this and 532 00:27:10.809 --> 00:27:12.650 this and this and this and this. And all these 533 00:27:13.109 --> 00:27:15.890 guys that have been doing this for years are all like, yeah, man, 534 00:27:15.930 --> 00:27:18.369 what really told me about this? Tell me about that. 535 00:27:18.690 --> 00:27:20.970 And I asked the stupidest question on the planet. I'm like, 536 00:27:21.250 --> 00:27:23.549 you got the original picture, bro. You know, and they're 537 00:27:23.589 --> 00:27:25.470 like looking at me like I, my head. 538 00:27:25.269 --> 00:27:28.690 Spinning around and I'm caught, you know, that I, Then I've, I've, I've, 539 00:27:28.710 --> 00:27:31.569 he costed this gentleman and he's like, yeah, oh man, 540 00:27:31.609 --> 00:27:32.079 I got it. 541 00:27:32.130 --> 00:27:34.289 I wanted to show you guys. No, bring it up. 542 00:27:34.609 --> 00:27:37.470 Pops it down. It's a picture of grandma's bay window 543 00:27:37.549 --> 00:27:42.150 for shit. Not okay. Outside, whatever. There's no whatever. But 544 00:27:42.170 --> 00:27:45.000 the fact was, is every time someone paid attention, there 545 00:27:45.019 --> 00:27:46.339 was a new circle. Yeah. 546 00:27:47.059 --> 00:27:49.680 You know, and, and, and, you know, and then once 547 00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:53.430 that happened, all the scientists and walked away and they're 548 00:27:53.450 --> 00:27:55.569 like oh my god you know we we wasted a 549 00:27:55.589 --> 00:27:57.769 lot of time and i was like yeah you ain't staring. 550 00:27:57.549 --> 00:28:01.109 At me now are you and then you jumped out 551 00:28:01.150 --> 00:28:02.009 of a moving jeep. 552 00:28:02.309 --> 00:28:06.250 Wow okay so i thought i was going to be 553 00:28:06.289 --> 00:28:07.869 mrs vorhees but that's a. 554 00:28:07.809 --> 00:28:13.210 Whole other conversation fair enough no i mean but you 555 00:28:13.230 --> 00:28:15.690 know again that was your you know sometimes baker comes 556 00:28:15.730 --> 00:28:19.380 up with gems you know he's You heard MacGuffin out 557 00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:22.509 of them tonight, and I'm impressed with James. 558 00:28:22.549 --> 00:28:23.130 Well, you're right. 559 00:28:23.170 --> 00:28:24.750 Sometimes the best thing to do is to jump out 560 00:28:24.769 --> 00:28:26.849 of a moving Jeep, especially after you've been in a 561 00:28:27.190 --> 00:28:29.490 group of Bigfoot people. Yeah, well, I'll tell you what. 562 00:28:29.509 --> 00:28:31.390 Sometimes you need to get in the Jeep. 563 00:28:31.450 --> 00:28:34.329 We were all supposed to get in the Jeep, right? Yeah. 564 00:28:34.430 --> 00:28:36.529 Kelly and I, Kelly, God rest her soul, she and 565 00:28:36.609 --> 00:28:38.509 I stood back and decided we were going to walk 566 00:28:38.549 --> 00:28:40.509 up the mountain road while Baker gets in the Jeep 567 00:28:40.569 --> 00:28:43.869 and decides to drive up the road with this guy. 568 00:28:43.930 --> 00:28:46.009 The next thing you know, maybe halfway up the road. 569 00:28:46.049 --> 00:28:47.410 I was like, no, no, no, we got to stop. 570 00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:50.109 You see a door open and Baker fly out of it. 571 00:28:50.779 --> 00:28:53.000 He's like, no, no, we're almost there. I'm like, no, no, 572 00:28:53.019 --> 00:28:53.400 we're there. 573 00:28:53.420 --> 00:28:56.980 He tucked and rolled. 574 00:28:57.500 --> 00:29:03.480 I weighed probably another 50 pounds, 50 to 60 pounds. 575 00:29:03.259 --> 00:29:04.140 More than I weigh now. 576 00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:05.000 And I was like, no. 577 00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:07.829 Because you ever watch the beginning of Friday the 13th 578 00:29:07.869 --> 00:29:11.170 when Mrs. Voorhees picks up that poor cook lady and 579 00:29:11.190 --> 00:29:12.029

kills her in the woods? 580 00:29:12.269 --> 00:29:13.170 Then it was going to be me. 581 00:29:13.309 --> 00:29:16.339 And then the guy never came back. Like, he never 582 00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:19.039 stopped where we were supposed to stop so that we 583 00:29:19.059 --> 00:29:21.099 could go and look at his search area. 584 00:29:21.339 --> 00:29:22.539 He just kept driving. 585 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:24.519 I'd have been on a milk carton if it wouldn't 586 00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:26.309 have been for this fest. 587 00:29:26.329 --> 00:29:30.289 You know, that's true. Slightly heated. I never remember that 588 00:29:30.349 --> 00:29:32.130 part of the story, but he never did come back 589 00:29:32.190 --> 00:29:33.869 and liaise with the rest of us. He was gone. 590 00:29:33.890 --> 00:29:33.950 No. 591 00:29:34.690 --> 00:29:35.809 You could have. 592 00:29:35.710 --> 00:29:37.849 Been on a note card. You could have died. 593 00:29:38.009 --> 00:29:38.410 Yeah. 594 00:29:38.890 --> 00:29:39.759 You could have died. 595 00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:41.700 It could have been found somewhere. 596 00:29:42.779 --> 00:29:45.079 Okay. Let's not get graphic. 597 00:29:45.140 --> 00:29:45.920 There it is. 598 00:29:46.180 --> 00:29:47.480 See, I knew it was going to go that way. 599 00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:48.460 This is about Aaron tonight. 600 00:29:48.500 --> 00:29:48.759 Anyhow. 601 00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:49.180 Anyhow. 602 00:29:49.660 --> 00:29:50.140 Yeah. 603 00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:52.259 Let's talk about when you were. Stop it. Stop. 604 00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:55.180 For the love of God. 605 00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:57.119 We're going to have that special moment with Bigfoot. 606 00:29:57.140 --> 00:29:58.819 One hour a week is what I asked for, and 607 00:29:58.839 --> 00:29:59.799 you can't even shut it off. 608 00:29:59.819 --> 00:30:01.359 I know, an hour. One hour a week. 609 00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:03.140 People like me, except for Kenneth. 610 00:30:03.579 --> 00:30:04.200 Except for Kenneth. 611 00:30:04.220 --> 00:30:07.750 I genuinely enjoy watching Sean try to just get it, 612 00:30:08.009 --> 00:30:09.130 get the shit back. 613 00:30:09.170 --> 00:30:14.190 You know, I really wanted to be a journalist once 614 00:30:14.250 --> 00:30:14.890 upon a time. 615 00:30:16.450 --> 00:30:17.670 Yeah, you'll never be president. 616 00:30:17.690 --> 00:30:19.569 I'm about ready to have a Bill O'Reilly moment. 617 00:30:19.809 --> 00:30:20.710 All right, so. 618 00:30:21.410 --> 00:30:25.359 Let's get back on track. Uh, let's see. Oh, good God. 619 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:28.920 So we, we talked about, uh, dog, man, we went 620 00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:32.640 off on that, uh, that area and, uh, you, you 621 00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:36.640 got to be out with what Shannon doing, uh, on 622 00:30:36.660 --> 00:30:39.039 the trail UFOs. How was that experience? Cause UFOs, like, 623 00:30:39.180 --> 00:30:43.309 it's not something I have a passing love, hate relationship 624 00:30:43.349 --> 00:30:46.140 with it. Especially when they change it to UAPs instead 625 00:30:46.180 --> 00:30:46.920 of UFOs. 626 00:30:47.380 --> 00:30:50.880 Yeah. I use both terms interchangeably now, and no one's 627 00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:53.799 ever going to stop me. Go for it. And my 628 00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:56.160 favorite thing is when someone tries to tell me why 629 00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:57.980 I shouldn't use one or the other. And if you 630 00:30:58.059 --> 00:30:59.960 use both terms, if you swap them out a lot, 631 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:01.500 you get to argue with more people. 632 00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:02.160 Nice. 633 00:31:02.180 --> 00:31:05.230 I love it. You know, no, I just like, I 634 00:31:05.269 --> 00:31:06.589 like a lot of people. I came up with the 635 00:31:06.630 --> 00:31:10.470 term UFO. I understand UAP. I agree with, with the intent, 636 00:31:10.609 --> 00:31:12.769 but I'm just not going to stop saying UFO. You 637 00:31:12.809 --> 00:31:15.160 could argue that UFOs are a sub branch of UAP. 638 00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.440 We could really just put all of this stuff under UAP. 639 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:19.619 It's an animal. 640 00:31:19.259 --> 00:31:20.240 Racial slur now. 641 00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:26.900 Is it? What's not these days? Uh, like you could, 642 00:31:26.990 --> 00:31:30.789 you could really like, you could really, uh, argue that 643 00:31:30.829 --> 00:31:35.450 everything's uap it's all unexplained anomalous phenomena but we're not 644 00:31:35.470 --> 00:31:37.029 going to do that we're not going to call bigfoot 645 00:31:37.049 --> 00:31:39.170 a uap so in my mind so we can just 646 00:31:39.190 --> 00:31:39.789 do whatever. 647 00:31:39.569 --> 00:31:39.950 We want. 648 00:31:41.450 --> 00:31:43.869 And did they do that so that it was easier 649 00:31:43.990 --> 00:31:48.630 for like the military and the people then the aircraft 650 00:31:48.769 --> 00:31:52.569 situations to explain it better or did they do that 651 00:31:52.650 --> 00:31:55.559 just because they wanted to do the whole Let's not 652 00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:57.380 use that other term anymore. 653 00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:00.460 Let's make a term that we, the experts, understand. 654 00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:04.960 I think it's both. Micah Hanks could tell you for sure. 655 00:32:05.019 --> 00:32:06.839 He could give you the exact time and date and 656 00:32:06.900 --> 00:32:09.400 who signed the document making it official and all that stuff, 657 00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:12.019 I'm sure. But in my mind, it's to make it 658 00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:14.140 to where it's something that can be discussed and reported 659 00:32:14.329 --> 00:32:18.750 without that knee-jerk reaction to, oh, UFO. You know, and 660 00:32:18.789 --> 00:32:20.150 you could argue that it's not. 661 00:32:20.170 --> 00:32:20.769 Bob needs a break. 662 00:32:21.130 --> 00:32:24.190 Like, huh? Yeah, Bob needs a break. 663 00:32:24.269

--> 00:32:25.230 We're Yeah. 664 00:32:25.710 --> 00:32:27.190 I'm going to take him off the dock for a 665 00:32:27.210 --> 00:32:27.990 couple of minutes. 666 00:32:28.069 --> 00:32:28.690 Leave him alone. 667 00:32:28.750 --> 00:32:29.029 Yeah. 668 00:32:29.289 --> 00:32:29.509 Yeah. 669 00:32:30.710 --> 00:32:33.079 Where were we going? What did we say? We were 670 00:32:33.170 --> 00:32:34.680 at UAPs versus UAPs. 671 00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:34.859 Yeah. 672 00:32:34.980 --> 00:32:36.619 So what were some of your big takeaways? Because I 673 00:32:36.660 --> 00:32:37.359 haven't had a chance. 674 00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:37.799 Oh, yeah. 675 00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:41.119 And feel through it yet, Aaron. This happens sometimes. It's 676 00:32:41.140 --> 00:32:43.480 all right. We have editing. Yeah. 677 00:32:43.579 --> 00:32:48.220 No, that's tough because it was an incredible experience. It 678 00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:50.099 was the longest shoot I've been on. I think it 679 00:32:50.140 --> 00:32:53.980 totaled at nine days with travel. And I count travel days. 680 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:57.130 How do you not? Um, but pretty much every day, 681 00:32:57.210 --> 00:32:59.099 if it was possible to have a camera in your hand, 682 00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:01.460 you did because we were filming for that. We were 683 00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:07.920 filming for a dog man legacy and the whole schedule 684 00:33:07.940 --> 00:33:10.400 had to be reoriented at the last minute. Cause originally 685 00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:12.900 we were going to start it in Ohio, swing through 686 00:33:12.940 --> 00:33:16.680 like Pennsylvania down to West Virginia, back up through, you know, 687 00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:18.960 like Chicago and all that and end in Ohio. And 688 00:33:18.980 --> 00:33:21.769 then winter storm fern blew in. And it was like, 689 00:33:21.849 --> 00:33:24.529 our options are to cancel everything. And everybody's airfare has 690 00:33:24.569 --> 00:33:27.769 been booked. Lodging's been booked. It's difficult to get that 691 00:33:27.930 --> 00:33:30.990 many people. I can't remember the number of people that 692 00:33:31.019 --> 00:33:32.299 we had right now. If I sat down and went 693 00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:34.430 through the list, I could figure it out. But it 694 00:33:34.650 --> 00:33:37.279 was a big group. It was one of our larger crews. 695 00:33:37.619 --> 00:33:39.960 And getting that many adults from different parts of the 696 00:33:40.019 --> 00:33:45.519 country in one place is really difficult. So instead of canceling, 697 00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:48.759 we just reoriented. Instead of driving into where the storm 698 00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:51.339 was coming, we kind of drove away from it. and 699 00:33:51.380 --> 00:33:54.440 managed to reach our first main destination before it hit, 700 00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:57.720 hunkered down for two days and kept going. So I'm 701 00:33:57.759 --> 00:33:59.940 not used to snow at all. I don't do that. 702 00:34:00.069 --> 00:34:02.089 I grew up in Florida and then I moved to Texas. 703 00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:04.569 But what it reminded me a lot of was like 704 00:34:04.630 --> 00:34:07.470 growing up during hurricane season and you have to hunker 705 00:34:07.509 --> 00:34:10.710 down and prepare for the worst and like, you know, 706 00:34:10.889 --> 00:34:13.469 all this stuff. So it was like filming a movie 707 00:34:13.989 --> 00:34:17.429 during a hurricane that was frozen, but I, but with 708 00:34:17.489 --> 00:34:21.360 my friends. So it was cool. Um, That's what it 709 00:34:21.389 --> 00:34:23.599 was like. But as far as like the topic and 710 00:34:23.619 --> 00:34:27.179 like perspective on it, the UFO topic these days is 711 00:34:27.219 --> 00:34:30.400 a lot of chatter about government disclosure and whistleblowers and 712 00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:33.579 leaked evidence and leaked documents. And I understand why all 713 00:34:33.619 --> 00:34:37.289 that stuff is very interesting to me. But a frustration 714 00:34:37.329 --> 00:34:40.150 that I have that I believe is shared by other 715 00:34:40.210 --> 00:34:42.250 members of the community, I know is shared by other 716 00:34:42.289 --> 00:34:44.469 members of our team, is that the voice of the 717 00:34:44.530 --> 00:34:47.480 eyewitness gets lost in a lot of that. And where 718 00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:50.400 our discussion on UFOs used to be centered, like if 719 00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:53.739 we talk about our big, high-profile cases, those witnesses all 720 00:34:53.780 --> 00:34:59.530 have names. You know, Cash, Landrum, that's my favorite as 721 00:34:59.570 --> 00:35:01.099 far as witnesses because that was such a. 722 00:35:01.110 --> 00:35:02.369 Betty and Barney Hill, right? 723 00:35:02.389 --> 00:35:03.570 Betty and Barney Hill, yeah. 724 00:35:03.590 --> 00:35:04.349 Those are my favorites. 725 00:35:04.530 --> 00:35:06.869 Albert Bender, if you want to pick somebody who's in 726 00:35:06.889 --> 00:35:10.300 a different category but also still in that area. Like, 727 00:35:10.340 --> 00:35:12.400 these are people we knew about. And Seth made a 728 00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:14.929 really good point that now we don't like hear the 729 00:35:14.969 --> 00:35:18.050 eyewitness names as often. Like there was that incident in 730 00:35:18.090 --> 00:35:20.449 Las Vegas not too long ago, where people saw beings 731 00:35:20.489 --> 00:35:23.269 in their yards. I knew their names at one point 732 00:35:23.309 --> 00:35:25.599 from reading it in an article, but when people talk 733 00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:28.059 about that, they don't talk about this family, that case. 734 00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:29.880 They talk about the Las Vegas entities. 735 00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:33.579 But what's funny about that is it also just went dark. Yeah. 736 00:35:33.619 --> 00:35:34.760 You just stopped hearing about it. 737 00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:35.400 It stopped. 738 00:35:35.579 -->

00:35:35.820 Right. 739 00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:36.179 Yeah. 740 00:35:36.619 --> 00:35:36.760 Yeah. 741 00:35:36.780 --> 00:35:39.420 And I don't remember what the resolution on that was. 742 00:35:39.460 --> 00:35:40.260 But I think. 743 00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:42.059 That kind of happens now, though, because you have the, 744 00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:45.099 you know, congressional hearings, which are sexy, right? Because, you know, 745 00:35:45.139 --> 00:35:49.889 we're getting, you know, we're getting official recognition without official recognition, right? 746 00:35:49.909 --> 00:35:51.849 If you're having hearings about it, I think that pretty 747 00:35:51.909 --> 00:35:55.510 much gains validity of the subject. You have high ranking 748 00:35:55.550 --> 00:35:57.849 government officials coming out and saying it's real. I think 749 00:35:57.909 --> 00:36:01.280 we can move past the need for disclosure, realizing we 750 00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:03.860 have disclosure without a formal statement, right? 751 00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:05.159 Yeah, yeah. 752 00:36:05.579 --> 00:36:07.380 Which is different than what we have in Bigfoot, because 753 00:36:07.420 --> 00:36:10.800 we don't. And honestly, you know, and I talked to 754 00:36:10.820 --> 00:36:12.699 Seth and them about this last week, and I always 755 00:36:12.739 --> 00:36:16.349 talk about this, even at our presentations. Like, for me, 756 00:36:16.369 --> 00:36:19.050 you know, and Jeremiah was like, well, time for disclosure 757 00:36:19.110 --> 00:36:22.769 is now for Bigfoot. And, you know, trying to take 758 00:36:22.829 --> 00:36:26.230 some of that attention away and off of ufology to 759 00:36:26.309 --> 00:36:30.889 Sasquatch research, right? Which is not a bad idea, because 760 00:36:30.909 --> 00:36:34.639 it's still the same kind of situation. But with this, 761 00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:38.420 where I think UAPs becomes more of a national security 762 00:36:38.460 --> 00:36:42.320 concern with the reality of a big flood, it's economical 763 00:36:43.019 --> 00:36:46.139 and has far more implications in terms of really shutting 764 00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:52.719 down industry and affecting the ability to create and generate 765 00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:55.880 revenues for the country. I mean, you affect tourism, you 766 00:36:55.920 --> 00:37:02.159 affect logging, fracking. oil you know all these productive businesses 767 00:37:02.179 --> 00:37:05.440 that we require great distances and land masses to traverse 768 00:37:05.500 --> 00:37:08.800 to produce these things and send them out and now 769 00:37:08.860 --> 00:37:12.139 you have an undocumented primate with an unknown range across 770 00:37:12.179 --> 00:37:14.719 the united states and you know maybe we have to 771 00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:19.260 stop selling uh season passes to state parks or national 772 00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:22.360 parks because bigfoot ate my baby you know. 773 00:37:22.300 --> 00:37:24.739 So that's something that came up quite a bit when 774 00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:27.380 I was talking to people while writing this book. Mike 775 00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:30.820 Lucci and Shane Corson, I believe Alex Petticoat, all made 776 00:37:30.860 --> 00:37:35.659 that point. A formal acknowledgement that this creature exists would 777 00:37:36.099 --> 00:37:40.219 disrupt more than we realize. It wouldn't just be hikes 778 00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:43.659 in Yosemite. There would be massive swaths of industries that 779 00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:44.300 would be affected. 780 00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:47.989 Yeah, and that's a serious thing to contemplate, especially in 781 00:37:48.030 --> 00:37:51.309 the state of today's economy. You know, and You know, 782 00:37:51.389 --> 00:37:53.730 and you have, you know, people going out of work. Like, 783 00:37:53.789 --> 00:37:57.239 look what little stink the ivory bill woodpecker made in 784 00:37:57.260 --> 00:37:58.480 the south when that came out. 785 00:37:58.489 --> 00:37:59.380 Or a spotted owl. 786 00:37:59.679 --> 00:37:59.909 Right. 787 00:38:00.530 --> 00:38:04.820 Or a spotted owl. And those are known animals. You know, 788 00:38:05.300 --> 00:38:08.500 with a range we know, with Sasquatch, we don't have 789 00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:10.119 that certainty. We don't have that. 790 00:38:10.139 --> 00:38:11.559 Because it could be like, what if there's just one? 791 00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:13.679 What if there's only one? You know? 792 00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:14.119 Yeah. 793 00:38:14.659 --> 00:38:17.400 That, but then also you, you just have like an 794 00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:19.960 unlimited range and then what do you do? So it's, 795 00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:23.079 it's far more complicated, I feel. And not because I've 796 00:38:23.099 --> 00:38:25.849 spent a good deal of my life or trying to 797 00:38:26.070 --> 00:38:31.369 equate or raise the, the seriousness of either topic because 798 00:38:31.409 --> 00:38:34.929 they both have their, their concerns. But, you know, people 799 00:38:34.989 --> 00:38:37.389 haven't really thought, you know, beyond that, Oh, is there 800 00:38:37.409 --> 00:38:39.119 more than one big foot? You know, people don't get 801 00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:42.420 in that contemplative point where, You know, when you look 802 00:38:42.460 --> 00:38:44.460 at this as a real biological being, if it is 803 00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:47.840 a biological being, the impact it really has on society. 804 00:38:47.909 --> 00:38:51.869 And not even going into religious implications, which are completely different, right? 805 00:38:52.369 --> 00:38:55.789 Bigfoot tariffs. Brian Corbin had to put that in there. Yeah. 806 00:38:55.889 --> 00:39:00.010 I mean, essentially, it's something along those lines. We won't 807 00:39:00.030 --> 00:39:01.150 get in touch with that, but. 808 00:39:02.510 --> 00:39:05.130 You know. You're not going to not have people trying 809 00:39:05.150 --> 00:39:07.309 to make

more money off of it. Like, that's just 810 00:39:07.670 --> 00:39:11.289 a fact. And I... Hey... I make a living helping 811 00:39:11.349 --> 00:39:14.159 to produce content about Bigfoot. I'm not saying that as 812 00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:16.659 a negative, but like, it's just, okay, well, we know 813 00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:18.559 this is real now. What, what, what can we do? 814 00:39:18.820 --> 00:39:20.940 What can we do? There's going to be people that 815 00:39:20.980 --> 00:39:23.119 own land that find a way to capitalize on that. 816 00:39:23.139 --> 00:39:24.809 And I'm not saying, again, I'm not saying that's a 817 00:39:24.849 --> 00:39:27.969 bad thing, but we would live in a very different world. 818 00:39:28.369 --> 00:39:28.789 Yeah. 819 00:39:29.090 --> 00:39:31.860 But I think I, think, though, that people like you 820 00:39:32.300 --> 00:39:34.519 and some of the other people that actually are making 821 00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:38.570 legitimate documentation, and as I've said a hundred times and 822 00:39:38.610 --> 00:39:39.429 you've heard me. 823 00:39:39.349 --> 00:39:41.909 Over the one weekend is, everything we do is a 824 00:39:41.969 --> 00:39:45.670 guess until you have a body. And everything is a guess. 825 00:39:45.690 --> 00:39:46.150 You can call. 826 00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:49.610 And that's why I hate when Bigfooters fight about whether 827 00:39:49.619 --> 00:39:53.210 it's spiritual or it's a real animal or whatever. Till 828 00:39:53.789 --> 00:39:56.429 Cousin Judy has had a few beers and hits it 829 00:39:56.449 --> 00:39:59.010 with a truck and you can go down and look 830 00:39:59.030 --> 00:40:02.289 at the body and everybody can do it and that 831 00:40:02.329 --> 00:40:06.409 they have all these biological information. What you say, what 832 00:40:06.510 --> 00:40:08.730 I say, what Matt says, what Sean says, what Henry 833 00:40:08.789 --> 00:40:13.059 says is BS with guessing. 834 00:40:13.099 --> 00:40:16.159 But that's how science works until you can completely prove things. 835 00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:19.550 But like, I think you guys would pivot because you 836 00:40:19.570 --> 00:40:24.030 would pivot from, we think it's seven feet tall too. 837 00:40:24.210 --> 00:40:27.869 Okay. This is the information I got from aunt Jane 838 00:40:27.889 --> 00:40:30.150 that hit it. And let's, let's talk about that. 839 00:40:30.309 --> 00:40:33.090 We would find ways to pivot, but the people that 840 00:40:33.130 --> 00:40:36.039 made up the stories and the other things, they would 841 00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:40.079 have the most trouble because it's hard to say, Oh, um, 842 00:40:40.739 --> 00:40:43.000 I said it was a spiritual billion feeding and it 843 00:40:43.059 --> 00:40:46.750 came to me and brought me pies and, No, it didn't. 844 00:40:46.769 --> 00:40:50.409 It was only six feet tall. They don't get any 845 00:40:50.449 --> 00:40:53.170 higher than nine. We did a bone radius scan. 846 00:40:53.570 --> 00:40:57.050 Okay. You were lying. Okay. Where you guys are giving 847 00:40:57.090 --> 00:40:58.179 as much fakes. 848 00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:01.599 You guys, sorry, you guys are giving more facts than 849 00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:06.579 fakes with the information you're given as any scientist should. 850 00:41:07.619 --> 00:41:10.840 Okay. And that's what I appreciate about what you guys do. 851 00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:12.389 You know, You. 852 00:41:12.289 --> 00:41:14.969 Might believe in Dogman and Sean doesn't. I kind of 853 00:41:14.989 --> 00:41:19.769 believe in Chupacabra because it's neat. I believe in Nessie 854 00:41:19.829 --> 00:41:21.570 because I know a guy that knows a lot about 855 00:41:21.630 --> 00:41:24.250 Nessie and he's smart enough that I wouldn't lie. I 856 00:41:24.610 --> 00:41:27.269 don't think he'd lie to us about it. But I 857 00:41:27.329 --> 00:41:30.030 also know that there can't be one Nessie that's been 858 00:41:30.090 --> 00:41:33.400 seen for 400 years unless it knows something more than 859 00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:35.260 we do and I want to start drinking that water. 860 00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:37.940 And sharks can live a long time. 861 00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:43.050 But there's people that have said Nessie's been around for blah, blah, blah, 862 00:41:43.070 --> 00:41:45.389 a thousand years. There's a point where if it's a 863 00:41:45.449 --> 00:41:49.510 flesh and blood animal, the blood's got to stop, you know. 864 00:41:50.469 --> 00:41:51.570 And then you get a floater. 865 00:41:52.369 --> 00:41:53.090 Floater Nessie. 866 00:41:53.780 --> 00:41:55.900 I will drink the water from Loch Ness. I'm here 867 00:41:55.940 --> 00:41:59.820 for this idea. I understand it's very miraculous, but you 868 00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:00.260 know what? 869 00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:02.559 You and I probably will sit there and we'll be 870 00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:07.449 dysentery buddies, all right? All right. And on that note, 871 00:42:07.469 --> 00:42:08.789 we're going to take a quick break. We have a 872 00:42:08.809 --> 00:42:11.269 Bigfoot bullhorn here for tonight. We'll give everybody a chance. 873 00:42:11.329 --> 00:42:14.230 Smoke them if you got them. Do a little shake, shake, shake, 874 00:42:14.269 --> 00:42:16.369 and we'll be back right after this. Stay tuned, folks. 875 00:42:17.510 --> 00:42:21.550 News team, assemble! 876 00:42:26.059 --> 00:42:28.719 I was doing this sci-fi show called Joe Rogan Questions Everything, 877 00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:30.280 and part of it was we would go look at 878 00:42:30.420 --> 00:42:33.800 * * * * that's not real. I went earnestly. 879 00:42:34.650 --> 00:42:36.349 When I went on the, as earnest as you can 880 00:42:36.369 --> 00:42:38.789 get while being high as and hanging out with Duncan Trussell. 881 00:42:39.170 --> 00:42:41.150 So it's like, we were. 882 00:42:43.090 --> 00:42:46.670 Fairly serious about the endeavor. But a couple days in. 883 00:42:46.710 -->

00:42:48.820 We were looking at each other like, I don't know 884 00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:49.429 about this. 885 00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:52.059 Here's what you don't. 886 00:42:51.940 --> 00:42:53.239 Find when you go looking for Bigfoot. 887 00:42:54.059 --> 00:42:54.599 Black people. 888 00:42:57.159 --> 00:43:00.099 In fact, you are more likely to find Bigfoot than 889 00:43:00.139 --> 00:43:01.599 you are black folks. 890 00:43:01.500 --> 00:43:02.579 Out looking for Bigfoot. 891 00:43:05.070 --> 00:43:09.769 Ah, yes, we are such a non-racially motivated show. Well, 892 00:43:09.809 --> 00:43:13.050 happy time away from your employer. I hope this finds 893 00:43:13.139 --> 00:43:18.820 everyone doing well. And out of Voluntown, Connecticut, a reported 894 00:43:18.900 --> 00:43:23.320 Bigfoot sighting in rural Connecticut is generating a buzz after 895 00:43:23.340 --> 00:43:28.929 a national research organization deemed the eyewitness account credible, though 896 00:43:29.050 --> 00:43:35.389 many local residents remain unconvinced. The BFRO said, The sighting 897 00:43:35.469 --> 00:43:39.170 occurred during the early morning hours back on July 5th 898 00:43:39.230 --> 00:43:43.550 near Potthag State Forest, and I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly, 899 00:43:44.010 --> 00:43:48.489 which happens to be Connecticut's largest state forest. According to 900 00:43:48.510 --> 00:43:53.610 the organization, the witness provided such a detailed description that 901 00:43:53.650 --> 00:43:58.090 the investigators gave the report their highest level of credibility. 902 00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:07.300 Despite the assessment, neighbors interviewed by WTIC expressed skepticism. Anything 903 00:44:07.380 --> 00:44:11.460 is possible these days, but you know I have never 904 00:44:11.539 --> 00:44:16.880 seen a Bigfoot, resident Peter Guari said. Another nearby resident, 905 00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:22.960 who was asked not to be identified, suggested shadows, fatigue, 906 00:44:23.300 --> 00:44:27.179 and darkness can play tricks on on a person's perception. 907 00:44:27.380 --> 00:44:29.409 The witness goes on to say, we live in a 908 00:44:29.469 --> 00:44:35.030 society with cameras and recording devices and sensors everywhere, to 909 00:44:35.090 --> 00:44:41.219 say that something is escaping everyone nationwide. Still, some longtime 910 00:44:41.300 --> 00:44:45.239 residents say the dense woods of Patchogue State Forest, which 911 00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:50.539 spans more than 26,000 acres, would be a likely place, 912 00:44:51.099 --> 00:44:55.840 if any, if Bigfoot does exist. Every once in a while, 913 00:44:56.059 --> 00:44:59.420 it's really quiet and still, and you'll hear a branch 914 00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:03.760 pop in the distance, resident Richard Fedor said. It makes 915 00:45:03.800 --> 00:45:08.869 you wonder. According to the BFRO, there have been 22 916 00:45:08.869 --> 00:45:13.789 reported Bigfoot sightings in Connecticut, including 11 of them in 917 00:45:14.230 --> 00:45:19.699 Lynchfield County. When we come back, we're going to go 918 00:45:19.820 --> 00:45:22.699 from Indiana to Virginia at light speed. 919 00:45:26.210 --> 00:45:28.710 You're listening to the Bigfoot Bullhorn right here on the 920 00:45:28.730 --> 00:45:29.809 Sasquatch Experience. 921 00:45:46.989 --> 00:45:50.480 Berna launchers fire a 68 caliber chemical filled projectile using 922 00:45:50.539 --> 00:45:53.500 a patented pole pierce technology where the CO2 canister is 923 00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:56.219 only punctured on the first trigger pull, meaning your launcher 924 00:45:56.380 --> 00:45:59.320 is always at the ready. It's capable of incapacitating an 925 00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:02.139 attacker for over 30 minutes and is accurate and effective 926 00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:05.610 at over 60 feet. It requires no permits, no background checks, 927 00:46:05.789 --> 00:46:08.489 and is interstate travel friendly. With Berna, you will be 928 00:46:08.530 --> 00:46:09.250 prepared to defend. 929 00:46:12.059 --> 00:46:16.659 That's Byrna, B-Y-R-N-A dot com. 930 00:46:17.179 --> 00:46:20.900 Up and coming, it's the Indiana Bigfoot Conference on September 931 00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:21.440 25th and 26th. 932 00:46:38.730 --> 00:46:44.710 It's located at the Seasons Lodge Event Center in Nashville, Indiana. 933 00:46:45.690 --> 00:46:51.179 Free public admission featuring guest speakers, a town hall, vendors, 934 00:46:51.579 --> 00:46:57.559 and a meat and Greek dinner and optional night research groups. Also, 935 00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:02.929 in Virginia, it's the Blue Ridge Bigfoot Festival on Saturday, 936 00:47:03.010 --> 00:47:08.900 September 26th at the Wintergreen Resort in the Blue Ridge Mountains. 937 00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:15.929 A free, family-friendly festival with local artisans, limited edition gear, 938 00:47:16.230 --> 00:47:21.710 and scenic chairlift rides. Thanks again for listening to this 939 00:47:21.789 --> 00:47:29.380 edition of the Bigfoot Bullhorn, exclusively on Anomalous Entertainment's Sasquatch Experience. 940 00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:34.039 And as always, until we meet again, keep your toes 941 00:47:34.099 --> 00:47:34.659 in the mud. 942 00:47:34.820 --> 00:47:37.119 Oh, there he goes. 943 00:47:43.570 --> 00:47:50.230 Thanks, Vance, for this week's far-right Bigfoot bullhorn. A little 944 00:47:50.269 --> 00:47:52.670 bit more than what we usually do here on Sasquatch Experience, folks, 945 00:47:52.690 --> 00:47:54.510 so thank you for staying with us over that. We 946 00:47:54.550 --> 00:47:58.449 never really introduced firearms before into the program, but I 947 00:47:58.489 --> 00:48:01.849 guess there's a first time for everything. Anyhow, so. 948 00:48:02.230 --> 00:48:03.230 I learned something. 949 00:48:03.429 --> 00:48:08.110 You did? Yeah. Well, at least somebody did. All right. 950 00:48:09.190 --> 00:48:10.190 The value of teaching. 951 00:48:10.650 -->

00:48:14.030 I know. How about it? Anyhow, folks... Aaron Deese tonight 952 00:48:14.050 --> 00:48:16.389 here with us from Small Town Monsters and author of 953 00:48:16.429 --> 00:48:21.550 Sasquatch Variable. Aaron, your book called Sasquatch Variable. What's the variable? 954 00:48:21.570 --> 00:48:24.570 Why is it important that you're trying to understand the phenomenon? 955 00:48:25.389 --> 00:48:27.139 I don't know what it is. That's the whole problem. 956 00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:28.059 None of us do. 957 00:48:28.539 --> 00:48:30.360 If any of us did, I wouldn't have written the 958 00:48:30.380 --> 00:48:31.900 book and no one would be interested in what I 959 00:48:31.940 --> 00:48:36.920 have to say. But no, I reached a point. It's 960 00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:39.320 difficult to explain what this book is about explaining why 961 00:48:39.340 --> 00:48:41.090 I wrote it. But I reached a point of like 962 00:48:41.150 --> 00:48:45.349 critical mass information. with bigfoot encounter stories and books and 963 00:48:45.449 --> 00:48:48.650 just bigfoot centric material where i was like i'm pretty 964 00:48:48.710 --> 00:48:51.420 sure this thing is real and nothing is going to 965 00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:53.800 make me more interested in it until we figure out 966 00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:56.460 why we can't find it and i was in that 967 00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:59.460 space for like six months to a year where i 968 00:48:59.500 --> 00:49:02.340 was like still enjoying what i do every day and 969 00:49:02.380 --> 00:49:04.730 still enjoying the work with stm but kind of just 970 00:49:04.769 --> 00:49:08.550 like enjoying the filmmaking aspect more than the bigfoot aspect 971 00:49:08.670 --> 00:49:11.000 and i don't think that's a bad thing like Filmmaking 972 00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:13.019 is something I've become really passionate about because I get 973 00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:16.019 to do it now. It's wonderful. But I was also 974 00:49:16.059 --> 00:49:20.210 kind of like that same thing, like another report, another encounter, another... know. 975 00:49:20.230 --> 00:49:22.969 And I kind of just got to this place where 976 00:49:22.989 --> 00:49:26.260 I was like, well, why can't we find it? Why not? 977 00:49:26.539 --> 00:49:29.300 And I'm really bad at math. That's why I write books. 978 00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:31.980 I'm terrible at math. But I started thinking about it. Well, 979 00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:34.300 what if it was like a mathematical equation? You know, 980 00:49:34.420 --> 00:49:38.449 person plus Bigfoot equals encounter report. And I have to 981 00:49:38.510 --> 00:49:41.369 credit Cliff Barrett for even giving me that idea because 982 00:49:41.769 --> 00:49:43.489 there's a quote from him where you have to have 983 00:49:43.809 --> 00:49:46.150 a person in Bigfoot to have an encounter story or 984 00:49:46.190 --> 00:49:46.769 something like that. 985 00:49:46.789 --> 00:49:47.510 I'm paraphrasing. 986 00:49:47.550 --> 00:49:49.559 But, you know, this was all built on the backs 987 00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:54.940 of people. And yeah, right. He's right. And I was like, OK, 988 00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:58.550 so that's your baseline equation. That's that's our. one plus 989 00:49:58.590 --> 00:50:01.030 two equals three, but one plus two doesn't equal three 990 00:50:01.050 --> 00:50:03.829 because we still can't find Bigfoot. It equals like four 991 00:50:03.869 --> 00:50:06.699 or five. So what's the extra variable in there that 992 00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:10.219 we can't find? Is it camouflage? Is it intelligent action? 993 00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:14.539 Is it something spiritual or supernatural or interdimensional beyond our 994 00:50:14.579 --> 00:50:16.840 ability to quantify it? Is it because it's an alien? 995 00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:19.489 I don't think that's what it is, you know? And 996 00:50:19.570 --> 00:50:21.469 I just started thinking about it like that. And then 997 00:50:21.730 --> 00:50:25.000 one day I was scrolling through this went on for 998 00:50:25.019 --> 00:50:26.679 a couple weeks so one day i was scrolling through 999 00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:29.340 the debrief website which is run by micah hanks his 1000 00:50:29.380 --> 00:50:33.619 team over there science technology uap news um and i 1001 00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:35.760 of course did end up interviewing micah for the book 1002 00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:38.440 but they had posted a story i can't remember who 1003 00:50:38.460 --> 00:50:40.760 the story's writer was but it was a story about 1004 00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:44.570 this ai system quote ai an llm system that was 1005 00:50:44.610 --> 00:50:48.610 being developed in australia for use by law enforcement to 1006 00:50:48.650 --> 00:50:51.900 build like a database of knives and So if someone 1007 00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:55.099 was attacked with a knife, they could analyze the wound 1008 00:50:55.300 --> 00:50:57.280 and say, hey, this same knife was used in three 1009 00:50:57.340 --> 00:51:00.289 other crimes. Stuff like that. And I thought, wow, that's 1010 00:51:00.449 --> 00:51:02.909 really cool. What if we could do something like that 1011 00:51:02.949 --> 00:51:06.010 with Bigfoot casts at some point in the future? So 1012 00:51:06.030 --> 00:51:08.269 I started asking people questions about it, and I learned 1013 00:51:08.309 --> 00:51:11.210 a lot about what we're referring to right now as 1014 00:51:11.329 --> 00:51:13.969 AI and its current limitations and why we can't do 1015 00:51:14.010 --> 00:51:17.760 that yet. But it couldn't just be that one thing. 1016 00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:20.280 I had to go into the camouflage and the stealth and... 1017 00:51:20.929 --> 00:51:23.289 all that other stuff. And I spent more time reading 1018 00:51:23.349 --> 00:51:27.369 scientific journals on nature and animal behavior than I did 1019 00:51:27.789 --> 00:51:30.530 other Bigfoot books. Because I was like, if I just 1020 00:51:30.570 -->

00:51:33.380 read 20 more Bigfoot books and then regurgitate my opinions 1021 00:51:33.429 --> 00:51:36.420 based on that, that's not original. There's nothing new there. 1022 00:51:36.500 --> 00:51:40.380 People have done that. People have written better Bigfoot books. 1023 00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:42.780 And I mentioned a few in Variable that I say, hey, 1024 00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:45.739 if you have time, go read those now and come back. 1025 00:51:46.900 --> 00:51:50.719 Because better men have made better attempts. But At the 1026 00:51:50.739 --> 00:51:53.579 end of the day, I wanted to put my own 1027 00:51:53.619 --> 00:51:57.440 thought process regarding the Sasquatch phenomenon on paper, and it 1028 00:51:57.480 --> 00:51:59.719 ended up being enough for a book. And so when 1029 00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:01.440 I realized I had enough for a book, I pitched 1030 00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:04.139 it to Seth, and he was like, yeah, we can 1031 00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:06.079 publish that. Now here we are. 1032 00:52:06.099 --> 00:52:10.440 Yeah, but you make some very good points. 1033 00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:12.079 And the fact is that. 1034 00:52:13.380 --> 00:52:17.469 I've always tried to rotate to, why does it hide? 1035 00:52:18.489 --> 00:52:21.539 You know, because it's, and this is a conversation I've 1036 00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:23.659 always had with people is, is I have two modes 1037 00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:28.119 of thought on the Bigfoot. Exists and is really smart 1038 00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:32.739 or doesn't exist. And we're just seeing what we want 1039 00:52:32.780 --> 00:52:34.400 to see and we're turning it into Bigfoot. 1040 00:52:35.340 --> 00:52:35.619 Okay. 1041 00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:37.320 And I've always been on that camp and you can 1042 00:52:37.389 --> 00:52:40.110 ask anybody. I'm not, I'm not super skeptic. I'm not 1043 00:52:40.150 --> 00:52:43.369 super whatever, but if it exists, it has to have 1044 00:52:43.429 --> 00:52:45.309 some kind of base intelligents. 1045 00:52:45.929 --> 00:52:48.110 Because why would it hide? Why would something the. 1046 00:52:48.090 --> 00:52:51.489 Size of a bear that could steal your garbage and 1047 00:52:51.550 --> 00:52:55.809 go through your dumpster and live in Yellowstone? Honestly, if 1048 00:52:55.869 --> 00:53:00.530 Bigfoot lived in the mountains and we all knew about it, 1049 00:53:01.030 --> 00:53:03.610 after maybe 20 years, we wouldn't care. 1050 00:53:03.630 --> 00:53:05.849 As long as it wasn't trying to shack up with 1051 00:53:05.889 --> 00:53:11.469 their daughters and kill us. We'd be all like, sure, whatever. Like, hey, 1052 00:53:11.489 --> 00:53:13.739 this big ape lives in... I mean, I'm sure in. 1053 00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:19.019 Brazil and all these countries that have large apes. I'm 1054 00:53:19.099 --> 00:53:22.179 sure there's a, well, I'll probably miss it. Probably some 1055 00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:23.760 other country is going to be mad at me now. 1056

00:53:23.780 --> 00:53:26.010 Cause I missed it. 1057 00:53:26.030 --> 00:53:27.769 We don't have, we don't have the large, we don't 1058 00:53:27.809 --> 00:53:28.610 have the known. 1059 00:53:29.269 --> 00:53:30.710 You didn't mention Africa. 1060 00:53:30.730 --> 00:53:32.750 They have a, you didn't mention China. 1061 00:53:32.769 --> 00:53:35.650 They have a, you know that I missed it. I'm sorry. Okay. 1062 00:53:35.670 --> 00:53:38.670 I also didn't mention. We don't enjoy the daily adjacency. 1063 00:53:40.110 --> 00:53:44.789 But, but, but, basically they don't care they exist. 1064 00:53:44.369 --> 00:53:47.449 Anymore oh hey there's a monkey oh there's a silverback 1065 00:53:48.010 --> 00:53:50.409 hey don't get near that reese's monkey or get herpes 1066 00:53:50.590 --> 00:53:53.230 okay that's what it is down like down through the 1067 00:53:53.309 --> 00:53:55.989 louisiana swamps or like reese's monkey back up you know 1068 00:53:56.289 --> 00:54:00.159 whatever but like i think that's why i've always questioned 1069 00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:03.679 is why does it hide because i think that if 1070 00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:06.920 it didn't hide a lot of these cryptids didn't hide 1071 00:54:07.900 --> 00:54:09.980 the newness would wear off and we'd be like. 1072 00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:13.139 Oh yeah it got out of my dumpster. The other, 1073 00:54:13.340 --> 00:54:15.440 all these people that say it shares sugar and steal 1074 00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:18.400 stuff from them. They'd be like, yeah, damn, damn big 1075 00:54:18.460 --> 00:54:20.500 foot was in my yard again, scared my. 1076 00:54:20.420 --> 00:54:24.030 Dog, you know? So that was always my, that was 1077 00:54:24.070 --> 00:54:28.030 my always big crutches. Why? And if it is hiding, 1078 00:54:28.070 --> 00:54:30.550 then there has to be a brand grand intelligence to 1079 00:54:30.590 --> 00:54:33.150 tell it why to hide, you know? 1080 00:54:34.190 --> 00:54:34.369 Yeah. 1081 00:54:34.489 --> 00:54:35.070 I'm with you there. 1082 00:54:35.130 --> 00:54:37.300 And that was all the countries. 1083 00:54:39.090 --> 00:54:42.090 Again, I don't have bears in my backyard. I don't 1084 00:54:42.110 --> 00:54:44.210 know the bear rules. 1085 00:54:44.250 --> 00:54:46.909 But if you saw bears on a regular basis, like 1086 00:54:46.949 --> 00:54:49.320 if you came to Pennsylvania and you saw bears on 1087 00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:52.460 a regular basis, you'd be like, brown bear. No, you 1088 00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:56.280 know what? We had a bear on the bike path 1089 00:54:56.340 --> 00:54:58.579 today that put the town in an uproar. 1090 00:54:58.599 --> 00:54:59.760 And we have bears. 1091 00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:02.510 But for some reason, that bear on the bike path 1092 00:55:02.610 --> 00:55:04.789 upset the citizens of Williamsport today. 1093 00:55:05.699 --> 00:55:08.400 That episode is the Simpsons where there's a bear in town. 1094 00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:08.820 Yes. 1095 00:55:09.099 --> 00:55:13.699 The bear patrol. That was dream sport today though. Like 1096 00:55:13.780 --> 00:55:16.159 someone reports a bear on the bike path. There's a 1097 00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:18.900 group that deals with it. There's plans to put it 1098 00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:23.110 back in its bear area. You know, there, there would be, yes, 1099 00:55:23.179 --> 00:55:25.650 now and then, Oh, there's a Bigfoot near the quickie Mart. 1100 00:55:25.789 --> 00:55:26.190 Yeah. 1101 00:55:26.610 --> 00:55:30.070 Okay. You know, but in general, you wouldn't have the. 1102 00:55:29.829 --> 00:55:35.019 70 people going out during or having a, we don't have, um, Oh, 1103 00:55:35.059 --> 00:55:35.619 be bear. 1104 00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:36.760 Okay. 1105 00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:42.769 You know, we don't have the, uh, there's a moth, 1106 00:55:42.809 --> 00:55:45.329 there's mothman weekend, not brown bear weekend. 1107 00:55:45.349 --> 00:55:47.710 Right. You know, fair enough. Fair enough. 1108 00:55:48.010 --> 00:55:48.269 Fair. 1109 00:55:48.309 --> 00:55:49.679 Not folklorish enough for us. 1110 00:55:49.949 --> 00:55:50.130 Right. 1111 00:55:50.150 --> 00:55:53.329 Cause they're real. Bears are real. We see them. They interact. 1112 00:55:53.349 --> 00:55:54.170 You can see them. 1113 00:55:54.210 --> 00:55:54.570 You can. 1114 00:55:54.710 --> 00:55:58.219 Yeah. Right. They kill people. Maybe Bigfoot does too. 1115 00:55:58.300 --> 00:55:58.639 I don't know. 1116 00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:00.159 No, it's going to be a lie to tell the story. 1117 00:56:00.420 --> 00:56:01.019 That's the case. 1118 00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:01.300 Right. 1119 00:56:01.579 --> 00:56:03.900 That's that one part of the variable that we're missing. 1120 00:56:06.099 --> 00:56:07.820 You asked what the variable is. I mean, that's the 1121 00:56:07.860 --> 00:56:10.659 concept is that what is that missing piece? You know, 1122 00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:13.139 what does is it because it kills people? I don't 1123 00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:16.059 think that's what it is either. We wouldn't have any stories. So, right. 1124 00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:18.960 But what, what's something you believe? 1125 00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:22.480 What's something you believe about Sasquatch today that you would 1126 00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:27.449 have dismissed 10 years ago? 1127 00:56:27.820 --> 00:56:29.090 No one's ever asked me that. 1128 00:56:29.340 --> 00:56:30.010 Ooh. 1129 00:56:30.050 --> 00:56:32.289 Well, 10 years ago, I wasn't doing this stuff every day. 1130 00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:34.780 So I was much more in the camp of like, 1131 00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:39.039 maybe there's a 30% chance that it's real, you know, um, 1132 00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:42.599 as I've spent more time just talking to people. Cause 1133 00:56:42.619 --> 00:56:44.679 for every, you know, we talked earlier about the crazy 1134 00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:47.869 eyewitness stories and stuff, but you know, for every one

1135 00:56:47.889 --> 00:56:51.210 of those, I can think of two people who seem 1136 00:56:51.230 --> 00:56:52.809 to be talking to me in good faith and who 1137 00:56:52.849 --> 00:56:57.969 were sincere, you know, um, after that for a few years, gosh, 1138 00:56:58.010 --> 00:56:59.500 I still don't know how to answer that question. 1139 00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:02.019 Oh, oof. 1140 00:57:02.489 --> 00:57:05.909 I would just say the possibility that something could be 1141 00:57:05.949 --> 00:57:09.699 intelligent enough to evade human beings for this long. That 1142 00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:11.400 was kind of the hang up for me. No animal 1143 00:57:11.420 --> 00:57:14.920 is that smart. No animal is that elusive. I no 1144 00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:18.320 longer think that's the case. I no longer believe that. 1145 00:57:19.099 --> 00:57:21.099 But, you know, to that point, Aaron, it's not that 1146 00:57:21.139 --> 00:57:22.579 elusive because people do see it. 1147 00:57:23.510 --> 00:57:25.510 That's the other side of the coin. How elusive is 1148 00:57:25.550 --> 00:57:28.090 it really? When we talk about finding Bigfoot, what does 1149 00:57:28.130 --> 00:57:31.969 that actually mean? Does the government have to say it's 1150 00:57:32.050 --> 00:57:35.599 real before we accept it? Like we said about UFOs earlier, no, 1151 00:57:35.739 --> 00:57:39.119 that's not what that means. And for a lot of people, 1152 00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:43.239 we've already found Bigfoot. That's the answer. The thing I 1153 00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:46.639 would not have realized 10 years ago or said or whatever, 1154 00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:50.070 there are a lot of people who know, not just 1155 00:57:50.119 --> 00:57:53.610 are convinced, they know we've already found Bigfoot. And perception 1156 00:57:53.670 --> 00:57:57.849 is reality. So, again, it depends who you talk to. 1157 00:57:57.869 --> 00:58:01.969 But yeah, yeah. Also, and kind of that same point, 1158 00:58:02.010 --> 00:58:05.469 the idea of belief in Bigfoot is very subjective. If 1159 00:58:05.510 --> 00:58:07.940 you say like, oh, I believe in God or I don't, 1160 00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:10.559 that's for a lot of people, that's a pretty binary thing. 1161 00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:15.219 Not everyone. I'm not trying to downplay the diversity of 1162 00:58:15.260 --> 00:58:18.159 religious experience. I was raised in a religious environment. You 1163 00:58:18.300 --> 00:58:19.000 upset them. 1164 00:58:19.019 --> 00:58:20.019 I'll upset countries. 1165 00:58:20.340 --> 00:58:21.519 I'm sure I did, you know. 1166 00:58:21.940 --> 00:58:22.480 It's okay. 1167 00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:23.820 We'll all survive, I hope. 1168 00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:25.340 I'll run interference for all of us. 1169 00:58:27.179 --> 00:58:28.260 Nothing gets past Sean. 1170 00:58:28.860 --> 00:58:31.110 There's going to be jihad. 1171 00:58:32.489 --> 00:58:35.969 When you're talking inside the Bigfoot community, you ask somebody,

1172 00:58:35.989 --> 00:58:38.789 do you believe in Bigfoot? Their yes can be very 1173 00:58:38.849 --> 00:58:42.110 different from someone else's yes. This person might believe in 1174 00:58:42.130 --> 00:58:44.369 Bigfoot in the sense that, yeah, I think it could 1175 00:58:44.389 --> 00:58:46.489 be a possibility where I was for a long time. 1176 00:58:46.989 --> 00:58:49.219 Or it might be someone who's had their own encounter 1177 00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:53.170 who's seen the damn thing And belief is knowing. That's 1178 00:58:53.210 --> 00:58:57.500 a factual understanding of reality for that person. Those are 1179 00:58:57.539 --> 00:59:01.539 different things. And those are only two examples. So just that, 1180 00:59:01.579 --> 00:59:04.610 the diversity in thought is something that I wasn't prepared for, 1181 00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:08.849 even writing this book, definitely not 10 years ago. Yeah, 1182 00:59:09.389 --> 00:59:10.199 I hope that answers. it. 1183 00:59:10.539 --> 00:59:10.760 It does. 1184 00:59:10.780 --> 00:59:15.039 It's a good answer. Yes. What piece of alleged Sasquatch 1185 00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:17.960 evidence do you think researchers put too much faith in? 1186 00:59:18.500 --> 00:59:20.820 And what evidence do you think deserves more attention? 1187 00:59:23.170 --> 00:59:26.590 There are some noted audio examples out there that I think, well... 1188 00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:29.940 this is not as hot of a take now, I guess, 1189 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:33.719 but I've always felt the PG film was overemphasized simply 1190 00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:36.639 because if it was the Holy grail, the golden standard, 1191 00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:38.840 and I said this in the book, we would have 1192 00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:41.519 found the thing by now, if that was enough, because 1193 00:59:41.739 --> 00:59:44.000 we know where it was shot and we have all 1194 00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:46.880 these frame by frame analyses of it. And, you know, 1195 00:59:47.679 --> 00:59:50.119 my opinion on the Patterson game and film doesn't matter. 1196 00:59:50.219 --> 00:59:52.480 Everyone has their own opinion and everyone will continue to 1197 00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:55.639 have their own opinion after capturing Bigfoot goes into wide release. 1198 00:59:55.659 --> 00:59:56.320 That's correct. 1199 00:59:56.579 --> 01:00:01.809 Oh, But I felt even before, and I said this before, 1200 01:00:01.929 --> 01:00:03.989 before any of this news broke in the last year, 1201 01:00:04.010 --> 01:00:06.110 that there was just too much emphasis placed on that. 1202 01:00:07.409 --> 01:00:09.469 Removing that from the equation, because that's kind of a 1203 01:00:09.489 --> 01:00:15.650 cop-out now. It's really easy to say, oh, I do 1204 01:00:15.670 --> 01:00:18.449 think there's some audio examples out there in the world that... 1205 01:00:18.969 --> 01:00:20.530 I can think of a couple in particular, but I'm 1206 01:00:20.550 --> 01:00:22.719 not trying

to alienate anybody. But I just think that 1207 01:00:22.820 --> 01:00:27.420 a lot of people, including me, don't have the knowledge... 1208 01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:31.139 to analyze audio the way it needs to be analyzed. 1209 01:00:31.260 --> 01:00:34.349 And I say that after having conversations with people like 1210 01:00:34.429 --> 01:00:38.230 Alex Petikoff and Shane Corson and, you know, even just 1211 01:00:38.269 --> 01:00:41.309 reviewing the raw footage that Courtney and Heather filmed for 1212 01:00:41.349 --> 01:00:44.900 Investigation Bigfoot with Beth Duncan, hearing them talk about audio analysis. 1213 01:00:44.940 --> 01:00:47.900 You're like, man, no, I don't understand this at all. 1214 01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:50.079 As much time as I've spent in the Bigfoot world, 1215 01:00:50.099 --> 01:00:53.800 I don't know nature sounds. Shay Steingass, you know, she's 1216 01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:57.530 a marine biologist, but she understands acoustics. very well as 1217 01:00:57.570 --> 01:01:01.110 they relate to animals, especially marine animals. And just realizing 1218 01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:05.519 how little of that I understand. I'm not the smartest 1219 01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:07.719 guy out there by any stretch nor measure, but I 1220 01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:10.139 know that a lot of us citizen scientists in the 1221 01:01:10.179 --> 01:01:15.079 Bigfoot world also don't have that knowledge. 1222 01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:16.860 I think Matt and I tried to prove that to 1223 01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:17.820 you when you were out in the field with us 1224 01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:18.389 last year. 1225 01:01:18.429 --> 01:01:21.389 Yes, you guys saw that in person. You were going 1226 01:01:21.409 --> 01:01:24.449 through audio and I'm like, oh, hey, look at this. Guys, oh, 1227 01:01:24.469 --> 01:01:27.869 we found it. And you're like, No, no, actually. So, 1228 01:01:28.050 --> 01:01:30.809 you know, and you guys have that experience to filter things. 1229 01:01:31.289 --> 01:01:33.610 But even we aren't experienced. That's, you know, to your point, 1230 01:01:33.630 --> 01:01:36.889 that's the thing. We're two guys guessing based on the 1231 01:01:36.909 --> 01:01:39.500 experiences we had that this is what it sounds like. 1232 01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:42.440 And just trying to use logical deduction, right, to go 1233 01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:45.599 through and decide, well, let's listen to this 16 or 1234 01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:48.920 17 or 24 more times before we're comfortable saying this 1235 01:01:48.980 --> 01:01:51.239 is what it is. And we're limited in those things. 1236 01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:55.210 We're trying to get there. about learning different sounds. And 1237 01:01:55.230 --> 01:01:58.900 then you talked about, you know, marine acoustics is another 1238 01:01:59.739 --> 01:02:02.239 thing all in, you know, in general, that's a whole 1239 01:02:02.300 --> 01:02:05.639 nother set of rules you play by. Things sound different underwater. 1240 01:02:05.659 --> 01:02:09.059 Completely different thing. And I should say like this, that 1241 01:02:09.099 --> 01:02:12.099 statement was not me throwing shade at any particular, like 1242 01:02:12.139 --> 01:02:14.869 the Sierra sounds are very famous. I find the Sierra 1243 01:02:14.909 --> 01:02:18.829 sounds captivating and fascinating. So I'm not saying anything about anybody, 1244 01:02:19.309 --> 01:02:22.760 but there is a tendency now, Bigfoot audio. And it's like, 1245 01:02:23.219 --> 01:02:24.519 even I know that's a dog, bro. 1246 01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:28.639 Again, you know, it becomes that emotion. You know, we 1247 01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:30.349 go back to the Patterson Gimlin film. A lot of 1248 01:02:30.389 --> 01:02:32.250 people cling on to the PG film because of the 1249 01:02:32.309 --> 01:02:35.809 emotional aspect of it. The Freeman footage doesn't get nearly 1250 01:02:35.869 --> 01:02:37.489 as much love as the Patterson. 1251 01:02:37.510 --> 01:02:38.110 That's my favorite. 1252 01:02:38.349 --> 01:02:41.250 Right, mine too. Oh, there he goes, right? And the same, 1253 01:02:41.610 --> 01:02:44.639 but again, you could put the same questions to the 1254 01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:49.420 Freeman footage as you can the Patterson film, right? You know, audio, 1255 01:02:49.460 --> 01:02:52.530 I think, is... definitely where it's at. I think we 1256 01:02:52.550 --> 01:02:54.869 could start getting some really, if we could start getting 1257 01:02:54.889 --> 01:02:58.010 things to sound the same and not be hoaxes, you know, 1258 01:02:58.030 --> 01:03:00.230 there's so much of this now that we see. And 1259 01:03:00.289 --> 01:03:02.829 even some of these reputable ones I was watching last night, 1260 01:03:02.849 --> 01:03:04.570 I'm like, I've heard this before. Why can't we ever 1261 01:03:04.610 --> 01:03:06.789 see in front of the camera? Why does this audio 1262 01:03:06.809 --> 01:03:08.670 always sounds like it comes from behind the camera? 1263 01:03:08.809 --> 01:03:09.150 Why not? 1264 01:03:10.610 --> 01:03:12.789 Uh, and Matt, you and I have had that conversations 1265 01:03:12.829 --> 01:03:15.909 in our long drives. Like I have problematic audio because 1266 01:03:15.949 --> 01:03:20.090 it can be hoaxed. So, so easily. However, Now we're 1267 01:03:20.130 --> 01:03:22.710 starting to see some things from smarter people than us 1268 01:03:23.409 --> 01:03:25.429 that could change that, which I'm not going to talk 1269 01:03:25.449 --> 01:03:26.809 about on the show because I don't want to start 1270 01:03:26.849 --> 01:03:29.469 finding new ways to hoax us. 1271 01:03:29.730 --> 01:03:33.320 Well, and you mentioned audio and you mentioned how, you know, 1272 01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:36.139 I've learned so much from just being out in the 1273 01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:39.079 woods more, being out in the land more, where sounds 1274 01:03:39.159 --> 01:03:42.059 come from, what kind of animals make

certain sounds. I 1275 01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:45.510 didn't know that stuff three years ago. And the more 1276 01:03:45.550 --> 01:03:48.789 you're out in the woods, the more you recognize, okay, 1277 01:03:49.219 --> 01:03:52.980 There's this weird chicken noise. It's a squirrel, dude. Or 1278 01:03:53.610 --> 01:03:58.030 the other day, it had just rained maybe a couple 1279 01:03:58.070 --> 01:04:00.469 hours ago, and you could just hear all the walnuts 1280 01:04:01.369 --> 01:04:03.570 hitting the ground. And, you know, if you don't know 1281 01:04:03.610 --> 01:04:07.119 what that is, it's pretty freaky because, you know, what 1282 01:04:07.159 --> 01:04:09.460 I realized was is, you know, after it rains, the 1283 01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:12.639 walnut husks soak water in, which makes them too heavy 1284 01:04:12.659 --> 01:04:15.820 for the branch, and they all start dropping, you know. 1285 01:04:17.369 --> 01:04:19.949 But I realized that from being out there. And that's 1286 01:04:19.989 --> 01:04:22.190 how the easiest way to solve any of that is 1287 01:04:22.570 --> 01:04:24.510 to learn, oh, you want to know the difference between 1288 01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:28.480 is that a crow, is that a large whatever. And 1289 01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:30.719 that's the other thing that I would say about Bigfoot 1290 01:04:30.739 --> 01:04:33.460 is if it lives in the woods, when you make noise, 1291 01:04:34.059 --> 01:04:36.000 it knows your noise isn't what it's supposed to be. 1292 01:04:36.019 --> 01:04:40.909 I mean, any animal you deal with, snakes, bears, whatever, 1293 01:04:40.969 --> 01:04:44.219 even deer, Deer know when I'm out there. Now, whether 1294 01:04:44.260 --> 01:04:46.460 they choose to let me know that they're out there 1295 01:04:46.500 --> 01:04:48.119 watching me is a complete other thing. 1296 01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:51.300 But I use an animal I can, you know, see. 1297 01:04:51.739 --> 01:04:53.480 And I don't want to touch it, though, you know, 1298 01:04:53.500 --> 01:04:54.199 because they'll bite. 1299 01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:57.280 But the fact is, is like, like deer, you know, 1300 01:04:57.429 --> 01:04:59.989 think about whenever I think about people going out and 1301 01:05:00.030 --> 01:05:02.929 doing searches for different cryptids, I go, well, think of 1302 01:05:02.989 --> 01:05:04.610 it as a flesh and blood animal. 1303 01:05:04.710 --> 01:05:08.409 You know, how would it react in the same environment? 1304 01:05:09.130 --> 01:05:10.929 And that might help you, you know. 1305 01:05:11.559 --> 01:05:12.119 I'm with you there. 1306 01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:12.519 Yeah. 1307 01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:16.179 I don't, I don't think we're going to catch Bigfoot. 1308 01:05:16.219 --> 01:05:17.550 I don't think we're going to sneak up on it 1309 01:05:17.610 --> 01:05:19.750 or trick it because if we do that, we would 1310 01:05:19.769 --> 01:05:22.309 have done it by now, you know? Um, but we 1311 01:05:22.349 --> 01:05:24.909 might make it curious. I think that's our best bet, 1312 01:05:25.449 --> 01:05:27.090 but that's just an opinion thing. 1313 01:05:27.769 --> 01:05:30.800 Last question I got for you tonight, Aaron, before we 1314 01:05:30.820 --> 01:05:32.739 wrap this up is forget what you can prove for 1315 01:05:32.780 --> 01:05:36.559 a moment. What's the strangest idea about Sasquatch that you're 1316 01:05:36.599 --> 01:05:39.139 not prepared to believe, but you're also not prepared to 1317 01:05:39.179 --> 01:05:40.019 completely dismiss. 1318 01:05:40.619 --> 01:05:41.969 Ooh, good one, man. 1319 01:05:42.110 --> 01:05:45.150 I should have known. See, I did my like walking 1320 01:05:45.190 --> 01:05:47.889 around talking to myself rehearsal earlier, but they were all 1321 01:05:47.909 --> 01:05:50.829 the standard questions. And Sean always brings the deep cuts. 1322 01:05:51.090 --> 01:05:52.570 I'm trying to get better at what I do. You know, 1323 01:05:52.690 --> 01:05:54.610 I love it. Accusing me of being lazy lately. So 1324 01:05:54.630 --> 01:05:56.889 I'm trying to shake that up. I love it. I 1325 01:05:56.929 --> 01:05:57.230 love it. 1326 01:05:57.590 --> 01:06:01.659 Um, can you ask me the question one more time? 1327 01:06:01.699 --> 01:06:01.920 Sorry. 1328 01:06:01.940 --> 01:06:02.460 I want to make sure. 1329 01:06:02.500 --> 01:06:06.960 Get what you can prove. Right. Forget proof being a consideration. 1330 01:06:07.409 --> 01:06:10.969 What's the strangest idea about Sasquatch that you're not prepared 1331 01:06:10.989 --> 01:06:14.409 to believe, but you're also not prepared to completely dismiss? 1332 01:06:15.329 --> 01:06:20.659 The idea of it having language, because language requires vocal learning, 1333 01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:24.079 and vocal learning is generally not found in primates. It's 1334 01:06:24.119 --> 01:06:26.659 not found in many animals. This is another thing I 1335 01:06:26.699 --> 01:06:29.960 researched for the book. But time and time and time again, 1336 01:06:30.340 --> 01:06:32.659 you hear these reports from people who say it sounded 1337 01:06:32.719 --> 01:06:37.039 like a language. We hear audio that Sounds pretty dang weird. 1338 01:06:37.099 --> 01:06:38.920 I get to listen to a lot of audio in 1339 01:06:38.940 --> 01:06:41.679 what I do at STM and there's some pretty dang 1340 01:06:41.699 --> 01:06:43.449 weird stuff, man. A lot of it's shown up in 1341 01:06:43.489 --> 01:06:46.469 a lot of our episodes. So that's something I struggle 1342 01:06:46.489 --> 01:06:49.070 with because if we're dealing with a primate, a known animal, 1343 01:06:49.449 --> 01:06:52.329 it doesn't mean it can't possess a capacity for vocal learning, 1344 01:06:52.630 --> 01:06:54.769 but we usually only see that in like certain species 1345 01:06:54.809 --> 01:06:58.429 of birds. And I forgot the other species that I 1346 01:06:58.469 --> 01:07:01.630 researched for variable, but that that's something

where I get 1347 01:07:01.690 --> 01:07:04.280 stuck is what is that? What is that? 1348 01:07:04.539 --> 01:07:08.090 So, um, It's a great answer to that question. A 1349 01:07:08.630 --> 01:07:10.650 different answer than I expected, so that's wonderful. 1350 01:07:11.150 --> 01:07:11.510 Thank you. 1351 01:07:12.409 --> 01:07:14.789 I have a vocal learning question. Now, you mean vocal 1352 01:07:14.849 --> 01:07:18.239 learning as in it has trouble communicating with words or 1353 01:07:18.260 --> 01:07:21.400 it has trouble understanding words. Like, my dog barks, but 1354 01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:22.619 he understands go out. 1355 01:07:23.320 --> 01:07:23.820 Yeah. 1356 01:07:24.260 --> 01:07:26.940 So, as I understand it, not being a zoologist or 1357 01:07:26.980 --> 01:07:30.119 a veterinarian or anything like that, some animals possess the 1358 01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:35.130 capacity to listen to word sounds and repeat them precisely. Mimicry. 1359 01:07:35.670 --> 01:07:35.949 Right. 1360 01:07:36.269 --> 01:07:38.630 Well, mimicry, but also you have to be able to 1361 01:07:38.670 --> 01:07:40.590 think of it in the abstract. You can't just mimic 1362 01:07:40.610 --> 01:07:42.809 those sounds. You have to know what they mean. You know, 1363 01:07:42.829 --> 01:07:45.900 there are species of crow that can mimic sounds, but 1364 01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:48.280 they don't know what those sounds mean necessarily, unless it's 1365 01:07:48.300 --> 01:07:52.599 like a Pavlovian thing through association. So, you know, like 1366 01:07:52.639 --> 01:07:54.880 I can have a parrot that every day hears me 1367 01:07:54.940 --> 01:07:56.530 say the humidity is 80 percent. 1368 01:07:57.289 --> 01:07:57.550 Fine. 1369 01:07:57.590 --> 01:08:00.010 It starts saying the humidity is 80%. That crow has 1370 01:08:00.050 --> 01:08:03.329 no concept of humidity or percentages. Like a parrot. 1371 01:08:03.530 --> 01:08:04.230 A parrot. 1372 01:08:04.250 --> 01:08:05.989 I think I switched from crow to parrot. I don't 1373 01:08:06.010 --> 01:08:08.090 know why I did that. But for Bigfoot to have 1374 01:08:08.139 --> 01:08:11.480 a language, that means it's communicating concepts and motivations and 1375 01:08:11.539 --> 01:08:14.940 ideas and wants. That requires an understanding of what those 1376 01:08:15.019 --> 01:08:20.000 sounds mean. And yes, animals communicate with different sounds and 1377 01:08:20.079 --> 01:08:22.939 different tones and things like that. But that's different from 1378 01:08:22.970 --> 01:08:27.079 the way human beings learn languages. Because human beings can 1379 01:08:27.140 --> 01:08:30.359 learn different languages. Our brains are hardwired to be able 1380 01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:36.149 to do that. Animals function differently. It's my understanding there 1381 01:08:36.170 --> 01:08:38.409 are probably people listening to this somewhere who know more 1382 01:08:38.449 --> 01:08:41.590 about animals who are like, well, actually this. And I'm 1383 01:08:41.630 --> 01:08:44.289 speaking in very general terms based on the research I did. 1384 01:08:44.329 --> 01:08:45.989 I do cite all my sources in the book. 1385 01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:49.539 This is great book, folks. And it's available for purchase now. 1386 01:08:50.140 --> 01:08:52.039 It's available for purchase now. Aaron, tell them where they 1387 01:08:52.079 --> 01:08:52.560 can buy your book. 1388 01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:57.470 Thank you. Absolutely. It is available at smalltownmonsters.com slash shop. 1389 01:08:57.569 --> 01:09:01.180 Top choice because you get it straight from the publisher. i.e. us, 1390 01:09:01.399 --> 01:09:06.539 Small Town Monsters. But it is also available at Amazon, Walmart, 1391 01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:10.119 Half Price Books, Barnes & Noble, and Books A Million online. 1392 01:09:10.479 --> 01:09:12.619 I'm not aware of any physical locations where it's shown 1393 01:09:12.689 --> 01:09:16.090 up yet because that's at the discretion of regional merchandising managers, 1394 01:09:16.170 --> 01:09:19.140 but You can get it from all those places, if 1395 01:09:19.159 --> 01:09:21.159 that's easy or preferable. 1396 01:09:21.180 --> 01:09:23.180 And it's definitely one you're going to want to have 1397 01:09:23.199 --> 01:09:25.960 for your collection. Aaron, where can folks find out more 1398 01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:28.000 about you? Yeah, sure. 1399 01:09:28.460 --> 01:09:31.579 Most of what I do these days publicly is over 1400 01:09:31.640 --> 01:09:36.250 at Small Town Monsters. Our highest venue of output is 1401 01:09:36.310 --> 01:09:39.350 over on YouTube. We have usually two, sometimes one release 1402 01:09:39.409 --> 01:09:43.310 per week over there. We are available on, like, Tubi 1403 01:09:43.329 --> 01:09:46.109 and Amazon and Pluto and a few other streaming platforms. 1404 01:09:46.170 --> 01:09:48.710 If you search Bigfoot on a lot of, like, just 1405 01:09:48.750 --> 01:09:50.979 smart TVs now, our stuff tends to be popping up 1406 01:09:51.020 --> 01:09:53.079 at the top. That's kind of exciting. 1407 01:09:53.159 --> 01:09:53.840 Yeah. 1408 01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:57.039 I do have an Instagram called HeyStrangeness that I update very, 1409 01:09:57.079 --> 01:10:00.279 very rarely. And I have an Instagram where I post 1410 01:10:01.119 --> 01:10:05.100 screenshots from video games that has 20 followers. Wow. I 1411 01:10:05.199 --> 01:10:08.289 do do that. If you build it. 1412 01:10:08.430 --> 01:10:10.130 If you build it. They won't. 1413 01:10:10.720 --> 01:10:13.020 If someone's really bored, they can look me up and 1414 01:10:13.050 --> 01:10:13.710 I'll send them the link. 1415 01:10:13.750 --> 01:10:14.090 But yeah. 1416 01:10:14.149 --> 01:10:16.909 You're only going to get two more followers and you're 1417 01:10:16.989 --> 01:10:17.810 up 10%. 1418 01:10:17.810 --> 01:10:20.229 I'd be really excited about that. Yeah. Yeah. 1419 01:10:20.789 --> 01:10:22.989 Now he's throwing out math tonight, folks. Baker's on point. 1420 01:10:24.609 --> 01:10:25.399 Told you I'm bad at math. 1421 01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:27.960 Folks, thanks for. 1422 01:10:28.420 --> 01:10:30.000 I just want to say thank you to the chat 1423 01:10:30.039 --> 01:10:31.899 real quick. I don't have the ability to respond to 1424 01:10:31.939 --> 01:10:33.159 the chat here, but I see a bunch of people 1425 01:10:33.199 --> 01:10:34.579 I like. So just thank you guys. It was good 1426 01:10:34.600 --> 01:10:34.920 to see you. 1427 01:10:35.079 --> 01:10:38.189 Thank you. Great listeners tonight. Scott Dieterle says he's one 1428 01:10:38.210 --> 01:10:39.109 of your 20. 1429 01:10:39.109 --> 01:10:41.270 Scott's my boy. Scott's my boy right there. 1430 01:10:41.289 --> 01:10:43.989 Scott's a good dude. We love Scott. Aaron, thanks so 1431 01:10:44.029 --> 01:10:45.909 much for spending some time with us, man. We appreciate 1432 01:10:45.930 --> 01:10:49.850 it tonight. Went a little over time, so we apologize. Folks, 1433 01:10:50.250 --> 01:10:52.189 I'm Sean, the Fork Shop Fork. You can find me 1434 01:10:52.250 --> 01:10:55.300 everywhere on social media, at Sean Fork, or I don't 1435 01:10:55.359 --> 01:10:57.960 hide behind a pseudonym. I am my name. I am everywhere. 1436 01:10:58.380 --> 01:11:01.260 That's James Baker. You would wish you hid behind a pseudonym, 1437 01:11:01.420 --> 01:11:03.880 but you can find him wherever you find me. Matt, 1438 01:11:03.899 --> 01:11:04.880 where can folks find you? 1439 01:11:06.060 --> 01:11:08.329 They can find me on Facebook. Matt and Mickey Arner, 1440 01:11:09.050 --> 01:11:14.649 also the Allegheny Plateau Project on Facebook and YouTube. 1441 01:11:15.010 --> 01:11:17.930 Support great research going on by Matt and I right now. 1442 01:11:18.029 --> 01:11:19.850 And folks, we do have a Patreon, which you can 1443 01:11:19.880 --> 01:11:24.199 support for as little as $ 2 a month, which that 1444 01:11:24.260 --> 01:11:27.380 money just keeps the lights on and keeps things going 1445 01:11:27.399 --> 01:11:29.739 for us. We appreciate you all. Thanks for listening tonight. 1446 01:11:30.359 --> 01:11:32.800 We'll see you in two weeks. And until then, keep 1447 01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:39.340 on squashing. You've been listening to the Sasquatch Experience. Please 1448 01:11:39.420 --> 01:11:47.960 rate and review wherever this podcast is consumed. 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