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Both: Hello and welcome back to Offscripture with Bec and Sam and I'm Sam and this is Bec. Hello. And today we are back in our series of unsung women of the Bible. Who are we doing today Bec? Well today we're doing two women and you're gonna have to test our pronunciation on this one. So it's iota. Iota. And syntagy. Syntagy. Yeah absolutely it is and you can't have one without the other Two names that are probably going to test your pronunciation as you can see for the whole episode of today. So these two ladies, they don't appear in loads of texts. They appear really briefly. Paul says something really important about them. he does. They are women who contended alongside him in the gospel, which means they weren't just sitting on the sidelines. They were actively involved in ministry. So Sam, where do we meet these ladies in our Bible? Where can we find them? we can find them in the book of Philippians, chapter four, verses two to three, and that is it. They are the only times that they are mentioned in the Bible. And what's the highlight of this? So why do we meet them here? What's Paul saying to them? Paul is putting these two women on blast. But as we do our deep dive, you'll see it's for a very good reason. basically, they fell out. If you need a Scouser interpretation of that, they've had a Barney with each other, which is more Scousers food. and the fallout is serious enough that Paul addresses them by name in the Philippians letter that's going to be read out to the whole church. When I say they are put on blast, they are absolutely put on blast. Can you even imagine that? Absolutely not. So you're sitting there listening to Paul's letter and then suddenly Yoda and Syntagy sort yourselves out girls. you that little wobble. Mortifying. Yeah, I would wonder if you've ever really noticed Eodin Sinti before Sam, because I hadn't if I'm honest. we said, it's only these two verses, verses two and verses three. So it's quite easily to brush past, but I had heard them before. When I've heard preachers around conflict, these two women are the women that are put front and centre and they are marked in time. I always wonder why Paul would mention these two by name, because for me, I'd be mortified if our priest stood up there and said, Becky Sam, can you sort yourselves out? I do believe that why the church would have known that this conflict was going on, because Paul writes in lots of other letters about... you know, call on someone else with one witness, you don't need to do it in front of an audience and there's quite a lot of how do you resolve conflict in Paul's other letters. So the fact that he's called out these two women in front of everybody else makes me believe that the church already knew this was going on. And secondly, I think they believed us. Yeah, their fallout had gotten so public that... Paul wasn't with them at the time. They were still supporting Paul in his ministry. And just before we hear about fallout, Paul, thanks for the support he is, that they've continued to supply him. this has travelled to Paul. So it's not just someone sat in the wrong seat because that's where Mary sat for the last 20 years. If you want to enter into church, we don't have name pews. So this is not a small fallout. is significant. And it's significant enough that Paul has named them in this letter for everybody to hear, for everybody to know he is addressing it like a leader should. Yeah, and maybe they aren't. and maybe they aren't. Do you know what? Is this just putting Eudon's into chieftain's blast or the rest of the church for not helping with resolution? Yeah, because we're called to do that. So they could be involved in the situation or take inside. And I think if you've been in church long enough, you will have seen some of these behaviours. Tell me a time that you haven't seen church politics fall out where everybody's trying to decipher who's right and who's wrong. Yeah, and I think what I quite like about what Paul's done here is... when he talks about they've ministered for the Lord and to come together as one in Christ, he's saying, you two have been through quite a lot because Paul talks about persecution and they were lightly converted in the early church, they would have been through a lot together and he said, look, look what you've been through together, please resolve it. whatever the issue you've got going on is not as big as you think it is and look at the work he's done with spreading the gospel with me. What do you think? So I believe that we should call out our religious leaders In them situations where people didn't call out the leaders, they use gossip to say, we shouldn't gossip, it's a sin. And in this situation, I feel like Paul's saying, actually, the news has read me, so it already is gossip. And this is why it's really important in our church communities to understand what gossip is. when we can righteously call somebody out when they're doing something wrong, and when we're just talking to each other about each other, rather than facing whatever the issue is head on. And I do believe that these two women probably had a theological difference and that happened all the time. But what I think is important here is Paul doesn't mention what they're arguing about. we would have spent the centuries still arguing and debating who was right to owe that all synergy. Yeah. And he doesn't because that's not the point of And do know who is right? Jesus, that's That's all they need to. And he's putting them back to that, like go back and be in one in Christ because you are both in the book of life. That's what he says. So they must have been so important for him to say. The book doesn't mean much to us but to the Philippians back then. So I think it is really important because sometimes EO's and Synthetji get remembered as the two women who are arguing, which is a bit unfair, I think. Yeah, because Paul actually speaks really, really positively about them. We've just
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mentioned it, didn't we? Yeah. He talks about how they've ministered with him, alongside him. He says actually... They contended at his side in the cause for the gospel. That's really strong language. women. So whatever happened between these women, Paul does not question their faith. He doesn't say one of them is a bad Christian, or one of them needs throwing out of the church. He recognises that both of them have saved faithfully. Yeah, and that's really important, because sometimes when Christians fall out... we immediately start trying to decide who is the good one and who is the bad one. whereas Paul seems more interested in reconciliation than choosing sides and that is a lesson that we need to hear today. I've experienced fallout in church and maybe you have and we've talked about this before, I have been a gossip in the past and it's something that I do struggle with but what sort of things in your experience can you put in place to see that Christians can not even fall out but not agree on certain things but remain faithful like these two women? What sort of things would you encourage people to do and can two Christians fall out well do you think? So I think this all is embedded in pride because to not accept someone else's theological difference is because you are so prideful within your theological idea or interpretation that you can't get past it to reconciliation. And how can you move forward with a community if you can't get past into reconciliation and accept people's differences? I have seen this a lot. within our church communities, where people, rather than accepting people's theological differences, they just leave, they just up and leave and they move. Whether they move to another church, that church, that other church that they move to tends to be outside that community. And then when we look at the Book of Romans again, when it talks a lot about, now that you're in the, now that you know the gospels, you know the good news, now you're in the faith, move that faith to the community, look at the people around you, think of the widows, think of the less fortunate people that are within your community, who can you help? We've got people who are homeless, starving, and if you move away from that community because of theological differences, then are you really living out what Jesus is asking us to live out? Yeah, and that's not to take away from people being called to a different area, and I think that's a totally different... totally different sort of set up and people are called to a different ministry or whatever. But I think one of the main things when we talk, we do mention it, when me and you have differences of opinions, which happen often, I would always say we do it with kindness. I'm not trying to hurt you because I have a different opinion from you. And I also try and think about how can I respectfully say what I believe, which doesn't actually say that what you believe isn't true. How can I voice my own opinion? without saying that you're wrong. And it's funny because I often think, you say two wrongs don't make a right, but there's also two things can be true at the same time. I smile there when you said, we always do it with kindness because story time. I remember a time when we were in the car driving back from Birmingham. you know exactly what story I'm The orchard conference. Yeah, we were at the orchard conference. We were driving back from Birmingham a few years ago. And we had the pastor's wife in the car However, on specific subjects, we vehemently disagreed to the point where it got very loud in that car. And the pastor's wife... bless her heart, thought that we had had a massive fall-out because of it. I guarantee that that argument probably went back to the pastor of, think we've got a big disagreement within the church and this may need some reconciliation and she called you up, didn't she? She rang, she's like, I'm just checking in, because she was aware that we're really close friends and we obviously mean a lot to each other and... a fall out of that magnitude which she thought, she perceived that we'd had would be life-shattering. But I would say me and you can be quite animated and opinionated. underneath that, we've got... was a very nice way of saying it. I don't think we were screaming each other. We have in the past. I we got very loud. I think we probably did get loud. I think it's really funny that we're disagreeing about our disagreements. But we were absolutely fine. I had to check. She sent the text to the right people. That's how oblivious I was to the... to the disagreement that she perceived we had, I was like, I thought she was talking about another friend. I was like, no, no, I couldn't, it was fine. But I would say when you're really close to somebody and you know them really well, being able to disagree and not hurt each other's feelings, essentially that's what it was. And we do disagree on a lot of different things. And sometimes we probably do go a little bit closer to the wire of trying to convince each other of our arguments. And maybe that was an occasion that we did that. But on the whole, that relation, I would not have such a heated debate with somebody I didn't have such a strong relationship with. I do feel like there is a difference with that we're in a, we have a mature friendship. Yeah. However, we didn't always have a mature friendship. Absolutely not. There were times when we were younger and we both really loved watching football. And this year old... Liverpool argument that comes up is, are you a red or are you a blue? And I was a red. After the record, I said, which is really mean, have you ever been to a match? You were so nappy, I remember this one argument you had, you were like, you're just such an armchair. It was not worth losing my best friend over. And I think, particularly for you, I'm sure you maybe want Liverpool to win, but it's not a massive part of who we are. I would say that was
probably the closest we've ever came to a proper fallout was over Liverpool. And that shows the difference between an immature friendship... and an immature friendship as well. But the difference was, is that you wanted to be right and I wanted to be right. It's a really good example. the difference between that argument and maybe a disagreement we have now is I... I don't want to be right. think, even you sometimes, what I want you to say is why I believe what I believe. And I'll say, well, I've read this book, have you thought about that book? And for a long time, you did that with Women in Leadership with me. That was a really slow process over a number of years. And so having an outright disagreement with someone and telling them they're wrong very rarely yields them going, OK, I agree with you. Trying to encourage people to understand your viewpoint comes from a point of not being prideful. and actually being willing to have your own opinion changed and say, okay, I believe this. actually, show me what you've got. Actually, because I'm not a theologian. I love my Bible. I love studying it, but I'm not a theologian. There's a massive difference between I want you, I want to change your opinion to my opinion and both searching for the truth. if you're going already into an argument of, my mind can't be changed on this and there's no point in having the discussion. so I love sometimes when we're in like a Bible or something and you argue, I've seen you argue the opposite of your opinion. I have seen you do that and I'm like, I know she does not believe this. I think sometimes you'll almost research the opposite of what you believe and know it so well, like, I actually believe that. because I know what the other side, what the arguments are or... Actually, you talk about egalitarianism and... Complementarian. to know both sides and know why they believe that, cos then that actually firms up your knowledge. So the reason why I do that is not because I have one viewpoint, but then it's because I want to challenge other people's viewpoints, because it's great for somebody to say, is where I stand theologically. But it's different to say, do you stand there though? I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with how you stand, but why do you stand there? And then I'll always come to them with what the opposite side says to say, I know what I think, but they need to go away and really truly understand what they think. Otherwise, their theological idea is formed out of ignorance. And it's because they've, what I find a lot of people come to me is because, They've picked someone else's idea that they've seen on YouTube and their theological idea and just adopted it as their own rather than truly understanding where that comes from. So when I have these discussions within Bible studies or group Bible studies, it's to really challenge them on why do you think that way? Is this your opinion or did you get this opinion from somebody else? And she does it that
well, it's so annoying. I'm literally great on my soul when she does it. Sometimes I don't even get involved because I'm like, I know you don't believe that. I know this is a really awesome show of what you know. That's not from... But it is. It's like she's sometimes so knowledgeable from a perspective. I'm like, yeah, I know this is... And you are that good, didn't it? I know sometimes other people in the room think that that's your opinion. Do you know what? There's been so many times that people I'm that's what she believes. ..have said to me, like... Sam, you believe X, and Z, don't you? And I'm like, no. No, that's not what I think. So annoying. I love Although that's really annoying. I mean, you might have felt else. I would love to know what they were arguing about. But in God's way, scripture tells us absolutely nothing. No! I like... There is something inside of me that is like, come on, I really want to know what they're arguing about. it is slightly annoying, but not as annoying as you arguing the other perspective, because I find that really annoying. I guarantee that if we knew exactly what they were arguing about, we'd be on opposite sides. We'd argue about what they were arguing about. know whether it was a theological debate. We don't know whether it was something to do with the leadership. We don't even know whether it was they could be maybe arguing about whether they should continue to support Paul's ministry or not. We have absolutely no idea. We know that somebody said something to someone else and they have a disagreement. That's all we know. But genuinely, we actually know nothing and perhaps. That is deliberate. Yeah, because Paul, if Paul had told us exactly what had gone on, we'd probably spend the next 2000 years, like we just said, arguing over who was right and who was wrong. And some of us can never get past that information. So instead, the focus stays on what he asked them to do. And what he asked them to do was to be of the same mind in the Lord. Story time again. She's full of stories today, isn't she? She's knocked past these to me to like, be told. No, you've not vetted these prior to turning on this camera. However, I remember that there was decision that was made. So, little bit of background. Within our area of Liverpool, there was something set up called Fit for Mission. She knows. And Fit for Mission was where... and there were a number of churches within one area that were all in little silos and what the Liverpool diocese wanted, and this is just really a brief explanation, but they wanted these churches to come together and work on their mission within community so they could better pull resources to improve what their community really needed. Now on the surface that seems like a really great idea. However, there was... I remember having a chat with the pastor that is now gone and he brought up this idea of fifth permission and he ultimately decided to step away from fifth permission. He didn't want to
be joined with the other churches. And my understanding of why from that conversation we had, my understanding of why was because he felt too theologically divided from the other churches. Now I know you've had the same chat with the same pastor. as well and maybe you've got a difference of opinion here but ultimately his division from his theological differences meant that he didn't join with the wider church he remained within his silo and that meant that these wider churches couldn't pull their resources and come together for the wider community they couldn't he couldn't see past his theological different he couldn't see past yeah maybe that was prideful maybe it was arrogance Maybe he just thought that he was right and they were wrong and that would taint his community that he'd built within his smaller area. However, I did point him towards, maybe you can start with what you do agree on, and that was Jesus Christ died on the cross to save us from our sins and we accept him as our Lord and savior. And whether he took that on, whether he didn't, he's no longer with us anymore. But that was something that reminds me of what It came to mind when I was reading this and I was doing my study on EODA and Syntagy of if they had made the decision to not reconcile and split the churches in that area, one was on EODA's side, the other half were on Syntagy's side and Paul's telling us not to do that. He's telling these two women to reconcile and come together. I think that the important part is that he says you are at warning with Christ and I think Fit for Mission or not, Fit for Mission, we are one body. I really enjoy the conferences where it's a mixed denomination. So you've got like a wide, wide range of churches. And I love speaking to people from different denominations and I enjoy that experience. But what I would say is that sometimes unity can be forced and you know, Paul he reminded them why they were one body in Christ, but he could have got involved with their issues, could have got involved with why they weren't together. And say, you're right, you're wrong. And that's not important. So I think, you know, I often ask myself, OK, what would Christ do? if you're part of millennials, you'd have to respond, what would Jesus do? Do you know what? I was thinking about that band the other day. We'll go back to it maybe at the end. But I was like... I literally googled, was there a controversy over the what would Jesus do? I couldn't find anything. I couldn't find anything. It just fizzled out. And I was like, now I actually say to my children, what would Jesus do? And I think it's great in this situation, if he over there and Synthetie would put themselves into that position, what would Jesus do in this? And it would be a reconciliation. What do you Jesus do for fit permission? I think it'd be reconciliation. I think Jesus never intended for his church to be split. And I think currently, it's quite divisive. And listen, I have seen these other Christian creators. And have you seen the comment section of some, we've had some quite nice comments, but I think if the podcast was to go any bigger, we would certainly see these negative comments as well. they are, and the Christians are so divided and vehemently so. to where the resorted is. In comments? In the comments section online. It's OK to disagree and we ask people to do so respectfully because people resort to name calling and really, really nasty, unchristian comments. I I love this thing going round on social media where someone types out a response. And then the Lord, yeah, the voice of Lord said, take it down, take it down. It's not of me, it's not of us. And I used to be a keyboard warrior, would say, maybe years ago. You were that person leaving the nasty comments. Before I was a Christian, probably, yeah. If I thought you were wrong, I would let you know you were wrong. And sometimes that was to uphold marginalised communities, like if someone was being racist or whatever. I wasn't just being mean for being mean, but I think I wasn't always kind with... understanding why people believe what they believe. And just because I'm right doesn't make them wrong, which is a really funny concept. And you won't really find me commenting much on anything anymore. Like I've said to you, some people can say black is white on social media and say, I hope the weather's nice for you. Honestly, sometimes I'm just like quite, actually I don't need to, like... Because I think also disagreement in the comments, it's like it's lost in translation sometimes. You can say something and it can sound really mean and you might not have intended it to be like that. But that's why the comment section, you've got to really make sure what you're saying is, is that you are a Christian, you're supposed to be different from the world. You're not supposed to be really mean for being mean sake. You know, you're supposed to, you know, we're told to call each other out, but if someone lives in Texas and you're in Liverpool, are you really calling them out or are just being mean? So let's get back into what Paul is actually saying here. Because Paul tells both women to be of the same mind in the Lord. And I think we need to be careful about what that means. It doesn't necessarily mean they have to suddenly agree about everything. It doesn't mean pretending the problem never happened. All that one of them has to say, fine, you were right about everything. The wider letter to the Philippians talks a lot about unity, humility and putting others before ourselves. Especially in Philippines too, where Paul tells the believers to look not only to their own interests, but also to the interests of others. So perhaps being of the same mind and the Lord is more about having the same orientation towards Christ and less about maybe theological differences. And that's because Christ comes before all the whining, Christ comes before the pride, Christ comes before proving your own
point. And that is much easier to say. than to actually live. I do think Jesus would be a below. He's for the underdog, isn't he? Maybe we can discuss that a little bit later on because Jesus is a winner and so are Liverpool. So although people can disagree on a range of subjects... I wonder what it looks like of being in the same mind today. What would that look like in practice, do think, in your church or in my church? Or a really good example is what does that look like in Fifth Remission? unity doesn't mean you have to agree on absolutely everything. And I feel like that's the important part of reconciliation. It's not, as we said before, it's not just admitting I was wrong just so you don't have to continue arguing with the wife. I'm sorry, love, it was my fault. You know, it's about being able to understand that there are two different people in this situation with different life experiences. So then take away something different theologically when they read the Bible. Everybody reads the... Bible and compares it to what their own life experiences are, what they've lived through, what they've been taught as a child. And sometimes you have to contend with that, sometimes you move towards that. But it's all about who you are and your growth, how eoda and sythetji have developed within their friendship and where they've came from. They may have known each other since young, they may not have. They could have been sisters, we don't know that. They could have been sisters, they could have been best friends. I like to think of them as best friends. I think so, choosing each other. Yeah, I like to think that they chose each other. But they don't need to agree on whatever this disagreement was. They don't need to say, OK, you're right for them to reconcile. And I think that's the important part. And the only way that you can get to that point is if you get past your pride. But I suppose I'm going to draw you back to the question, really, because I feel like you've been given a really nice answer. didn't answer the question. It often happens. So what does that look like practically in church? To be practical about it. So two people really disagree, how can they without fully agreeing with each other? What does that look like in practice, would you say? So I would say that it's about... being able to be respectful to the other person's view without forcing your view onto other people. I would say that... And it's been able to be as the pastoral lead because Paul does then go on to ask the church to get involved or I trust the person to get involved to help with that reconciliation because... There are times where somebody needs to be a mediator and whether that is the pastoral lead within the church or the leader himself, herself, whatever, that are able to mediate this conversation, it's all about being respectful to the other person's opinion and maybe understanding that their worldview is different to ours and we're not always going to agree on everything. I would say seek help from a pastoral lead if you need it. I would say don't try and get people on your side. So don't go off to different, like connect groups or whatever and try and get people to join your point of view. Keep that with the people that it involves. It ends up being that Chinese whispers, isn't it? Do know what they said? Did you know that they didn't reach out to me? Did you know that they said this about how they see the rest of the church? You know, it's where that gossip turns into... really turns into that nastiness, which is why we're called to not gossip. And I think you can acknowledge the good that that other person is doing with their walk in Christ. So I can say you are an amazing, you are a faithful servant of the Lord. And maybe I am, I feel like I'm doing my best with the Lord. And you have your discernment and I have mine. And we're gonna have to, you know, we're gonna stand before God one day and we're gonna have to give an account of our lives. And if you're in your heart of hearts, believe whatever you believe to be true and you've used the sermons and you're in your Bible and you're praying, then that's between you and God. You don't have to take it to somebody else and their relationship or their decisions is between them and God. And you know, if you offer your opinion and they don't agree, then you know, there's a chapter in, we've been doing Matthew in church, goes, no, let the dust fall from your feet. That's okay. Move on. It doesn't have to be a massive disagreement. And you never know in time, things, you might come to their... Point of view, and I think if you make sure you've still got that friendship in Christ you can always move past disagreements. Disagreements should not be the reason that you leave a church. I firmly hold onto that belief that if you got a disagreement and you just leave, that's unfinished business for me. And I don't like that. I would rather, maybe this is about me and my attachments, pray people out and really mean it. Not, you know, the, Wish you well and thank you for what you've done here. But genuinely think, we're so excited what we've got next for you. Because I love a good ending, in, and maybe that goes back to my career, about making sure that there's endings that meet the needs of people moving from the church and to the church. And we're all going to be in heaven together as brothers and sisters, and you've been born here with each other and you've left the church. How awkward is that going to be? Do you know whether your mansion's going be next door to the person that you fell out with? So, I've got another story time and this story you've never heard before. It's just as you were talking Does it involve me? No, no it doesn't. You're safe in this one. And maybe the people online will think that maybe I'm wrong on this. Maybe, we don't know. Have been known to be wrong on one occasion. I mean, speak for yourself. I am. Maybe that's my part, pushing
through. Anyway, so... You are aware, but the people at home won't be aware, that I have been joining some online Bible studies because one of the questions that we've been DM'd before is that people have wanted to see whether we are leading a Bible study and they really want somebody to read the Bible with and etc etc. And we don't have time to do an online Bible study. We do this podcast but we are mums. We have full-time jobs, you know, there's a lot, you know, we're wives and we've got lots to do, things to do with our own church, so we don't have time to do an online Bible study. However, I've been scoping out these other online Bible studies to direct people to, but I don't want to just direct them to anyone, I want to be able to Well, let you know. I want to know it. I want to get the general vibe and be like, yes, this is something I would want to direct people to. Anyway, that was a long way around to say I was on this Bible study on Monday. and the Bible study was around dating as a Christian. Difficult topic. Yeah, dating as a Christian. And generally a lot of the girls on this Bible study were quite young. There was two of us on it that were married, one person who was engaged. So I obviously wanted to display my wisdom as a married woman. And it was talking about conflict within. One of the questions about conflict within the relationship between a man and a woman and the leader of that Bible study, she's quite a young woman, and it said, like, who do you talk to around conflict? And I turned around and I said, so I was, you know, put my little hand up on the Zoom call. And I said, listen, I vehemently disagree that we should be talking to our friends about conflict of our... of our partners or husbands because at the end of the day we are only going to be betraying our side. The other side is not going to have the opportunity because you're my friend. So if I speak to my friend who loves me, who would, go to battle for me, you know, they are always going to be biased, whether it's conscious or unconscious, they're always going to be biased towards what happened to me. so I If you need to unload the dishwasher, I will never move from that point. I don't care what you say. I'll fill up the Brita filter. Take your shoes off at the door. I mean, that's my husband. Yeah, so I said, you know, I have a general rule now that I do not slag my husband off to my mates. don't. If he's done something that we're having, that turns out... Not these small things like... We just joked about. not these things. But the bigger things that me my husband argue about, I don't go to my friends. Because they're not... They're not impartial? They're not impartial. Well, someone jumped on after me, didn't they? It wasn't me. It wasn't you? No, you weren't. I've doing this. There's been something I've been doing on my own. So you haven't been involved. But someone jumped on, right? And a team round had said... You wouldn't believe what they said. They wanted to something... I'm going to tell you. You wouldn't believe it. Guess what? Right, let me get comfy. So she turns round and wants to go against my opinion. Go ahead. As a woman that's about 23, I've got about 20 years on this girl. No, I'm joking, I'm not that So... I was going to say, we're the same age. I've got a good 15 years on this person. And you are married. And I am married. And do know what she said? She said, well, I think you should just surround yourself with friends that have a deep love in Christ. and know that the Holy Spirit is working through them with every word that they say and so they can be impartial to the argument and I was like heresy listen if your mate is speaking the breath of Jesus Christ every time that she speaks write that stuff down Gail because my goodness she could speak out a new Bible we are all infallible following what being sorry, come on! And there is times where I do feel like the Holy Spirit is speaking through me and sometimes that's in church or when I'm praying with somebody, that didn't come from me. not every breath out of my mouth is God spoken. I mean sometimes you call me out and say, ooh! Yeah, so do know what I did? let me guess. You were nice, wasn't you? You weren't nice. You weren't nice, was you? What did you do? Nothing. You was nice, that's what I thought. I had said my Let her have an opinion. I had said my piece and I hoped that the Lord will allow it to land on the ears it needed to. Maybe she should go back to the friend and ask the friend about what you said. So I said nothing and that is not like me. Usually I was like, I have an opinion and it needs to be You didn't even put a hand up again. I did not. No, I did. I did on other subjects but no, I didn't on... on this. I know what you wanted to say. Come back to me when you're married. No, what I wanted to say was exactly what I've just said. Call it out on her heresy and that listen, if we're saying that this is our Jesus' breath or the Holy Spirit, sorry, spoken with like Paul's... written words is inspired by God. If you're telling me that the words that your friend is saying, in every way that your friend says, just because she's a lover of Jesus, is the breath and words and inspired by God. My goodness, you've got a lot more reading to do on this Bible. Because you need to realise that we're all fallible. And there's only one imperfect human and that is Jesus. Do you know what I've hated more than often enough is when I feel like I've had an opinion on something in my marriage and I've gone to ask my pastor or something and they sided with my husband. I was about to say don't choose a counsellor just because you think they're going to agree with you. I have never been humbled like that. I was going to say were you proper humbled? But then honestly when I look at some of them times when I have been humbled I can look back now and reflect on them. And actually, that person did disagree with me, the pastor or whatever, and called me out in a way that was appropriate, that allows me to grow as a Christian. And that's when we talk about can you disagree and still be friends, when you build up them type of relationships and you lean on the Lord for guidance, that's where that friendship and understanding will come in. So, we don't have another story time. No, I don't. I think it's time to, this is the time where we're coming to the end of our podcast today. I really hope that you've enjoyed our deep dive into Yoda and Syntagy just as much as we have. So join us again next week where we're going to continue with our series of Unsung Women of the Bible. But if you've enjoyed this episode, please don't forget to comment down below and like and subscribe and maybe share it with a friend who you think that really needs to hear this argument around friendship and growing in Christ. Until then, we will see you next week. See you next week. Bye.