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message saying, I'm tired of you sending me down picks. 00:05:37 Speaker 3: You need to go sit the picks somewhere else. That's typically when it happens. When a guy gets tired of getting hit by picks. Okay, Ocho, especially look. If I'm guarding my man and dude keep coming up setting picks on me, hell, I ain't getting no warning like, hey, pick on your right, pick. 00:05:50 Speaker 4: On your left. 00:05:51 Speaker 3: And I got to try to fight over it. I'm getting caught off guard and I'm getting hit. After a while, you get tired of that. Yeah, you're throwing him a shot now. You know what I'm saying? 00:05:58 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:05:59 Speaker 2: Make him think about it the next time he comes at a damn peak. Yeah. 00:06:04 Speaker 1: Before the game, reports resurfaced that Tim Karakami, that it is not guaranteed that Nikola Jokic will re-sign with the Nuggets. I've been hearing this for a little while. It's an open thing. It's an open thing. He's very likely to go back to Denver, but it is an open thing. There's nothing guaranteed about him going back, signing a long-term extension. 00:06:26 Speaker 2: It's just hard for me to see Joe Ochojo. 00:06:29 Speaker 1: That the man's going to turn down a five-year, $ 70- plus million deal. Because he can only get the four years somewhere else, Joe. I'm not saying that he won't. I'm not saying check, so don't get me wrong. But it's just hard for me to envision that's what he'll do. 00:06:44 Speaker 2: Go ahead, Joe. 00:06:44 Speaker 5: Hey, the funny thing about it, Joe, if you think about it, is money his main goal, is that the main thing that he really wants? Or does he want to go back to a situation that makes it a little easier for him to get to a championship? He might be looking at might be looking at it from taking that four years somewhere else and not getting as much, you know, to be able to stay. 00:07:04 Speaker 4: Out there in Denver. 00:07:05 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:07:06 Speaker 4: You look at it like that. 00:07:08 Speaker 5: Or I want to get the most money I can right now and stay in Denver and just try my best here or go somewhere else where you don't have to have, you know, the, the, the load of having. 00:07:18 Speaker 4: To do everything along with you and you and Murray. Yeah. When you get a little help somewhere else. 00:07:24 Speaker 2: What'd you think? I think, I don't think the money makes a difference, Uncle Ocho. You know what I mean? 00:07:32 Speaker 3: Like, I think he's pretty well off now. It's hard to turn some of that down. But, man, there's some situations in the NBA, bro, to where Jokic could team up with some guys. Now, we do know him and Luka got a good relationship now. We know him and Luka got a good relationship. So I don't know if he throwing out shots or letting people know, but if he goes somewhere else, he going to go to a, he going to go to a team where they got a bonafide star, bro. I can't see him. If even if he leaves Denver, he's going to go somewhere where

he has a bonafide star. 00:07:59 Speaker 2: And he has a chance to win. The thing that. 00:08:03 Speaker 4: I got a question. 00:08:04 Speaker 2: Go ahead. 00:08:05 Speaker 5: Oh, before you go, I like Joe said him, him going to and playing with the bonafide star. Like I said, going somewhere else where it makes it a little bit easier. We don't have to do as much. Is there a possibility he can even get in L.A.? Can they even afford to do that? 00:08:20 Speaker 2: I don't see how. 00:08:22 Speaker 1: Not with him on a max contract, Luke on a max contract, and Austin Reeves on a max contract. The thing that they have now with Kessler, they got a guy that can rim run and he can protect the rim. Those are not things that Jokic does very well, Joe. We know he's an outstanding offense. He can pass the ball. He's as good a passer at the big. He might be the greatest passer as a big that we've ever seen in the NBA. He's one of the two or three best passers that's currently in the NBA. But that is a totally different team with him at the center, at the five, as opposed. 00:08:55 Speaker 2: To Walker Kessler. 00:08:56 Speaker 3: I totally agree. I totally agree because Kessler is more defensive-minded. He's a great shot blocker, lob threat, and Jokic ain't neither one of them. He ain't no damn shot blocker, and he ain't no lob threat. But he just got plenty of game, Arkan Ocho. I just threw that out there because I know him and Luka are really good friends, but– I don't know, man. It's going to be hard to turn that money down that Denver is going to be offering. I mean, come on, man. What are you going to get? Probably about $ 300? 00:09:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, probably about $ 70 a year. 00:09:27 Speaker 1: Oh! 00:09:28 Speaker 2: Let's see. Hold on, Joe. 00:09:31 Speaker 5: Is his main thing, is his main focus the money or getting the ring? I know he won one already. Is he content with that? 00:09:39 Speaker 4: From now on, you know what? 00:09:40 Speaker 5: I'm going to make as much money as I can in the NBA because. 00:09:43 Speaker 4: I don't want to do it forever. I don't want to do it that long. 00:09:46 Speaker 2: You can't. 00:09:47 Speaker 5: I want to play as long as I can and get back to my goddamn horses. 00:09:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. 00:09:53 Speaker 1: The thing is, Ocho, right now he's finishing up. He has an option, a player option in 27-28. for 62 million 848 thousand now if he delays it and signs it until the summer of which will be 2027 he can get a five year 359 million damn and with a max with a super super super duper max with incentives of 388 So basically $ 70 million a year. And the thing is, Joe, you know this. There is no for sure thing where he going somewhere. Yacht has found that out. Dame found that out. Really the only guy that's really, really left and went to a team and it panned out as just as he envisioned it was Kevin Durant. 00:10:41 Speaker 2: That's it. 00:10:41 Speaker 4: Yep. 00:10:44 Speaker 1: If you go back and look at it, Ocho, all these other guys, the big name guys, recently. Now, obviously, LeBron, when he went with Miami and D-Wade, but that was, what, 11, 12, 13, 14. So we talk about over a decade. But in the last, you know, really, it doesn't happen every time somebody gets hurt. it doesn't work out the way you envision it, and it falls apart. We've seen James Harden go to Brooklyn, go to Philly, go to the Clippers, go to Cleveland, and nothing. We've seen Kawhi. It happened for Kawhi in Toronto. Joe, let me know what you think about this. Did you think Kawhi going to Toronto really gave them a chance to win the championship? 00:11:31 Speaker 2: Because I didn't see it at the time. 00:11:32 Speaker 3: Well, it was hard to see at the time, but adding him, he gives them a different dimension as far as a two-way guy, a guy who can score on anybody, who can take over games, who can close games, and he can guard the best player, offensive guy, on the other team. And to some degree, at that point, he could shut them down. I just thought it was a pretty good fit. But you got to understand, man, if Kevin Durant don't get hurt, they don't win no damn championship, bro. 00:11:59 Speaker 4: True. 00:12:00 Speaker 2: They don't win no championship, bro. 00:12:01 Speaker 1: No, they're not winning that championship. If that Achilles doesn't pop, they're not winning. They're not. And that's not a knock on Kawhi or anything. But that was just too much firepower. 00:12:14 Speaker 3: They were too much of a juggernaut as somebody who played against their Warriors team, Argon Ocho, when I was in Utah. 00:12:21 Speaker 2: You couldn't beat them, bro. 00:12:22 Speaker 3: The offense that they ran, it was too hard to key in on one guy. And all them IQs, Durant, Curry, Thompson, Draymond, their IQs were so high, Uncle Ocho, that you couldn't double, man. You had to live with the damn results. You had to outplay them dudes. And that was going to be hard to do. All them Hall of Famers, they got on the team and scores. 00:12:43 Speaker 1: And the problem was, Joe, there was nobody ball dominant. The ball had fire in it. 00:12:49 Speaker 2: So nobody held it for a long period of time. So who are we going to double? 00:12:53 Speaker 1: Hey, do you really want to double KD and leave Klay and Steph? You really want to double Steph and leave KD and Klay? 00:13:05 Speaker 2: Is that what you really want? 00:13:06 Speaker 1: So you were at such a disadvantage because you couldn't double anybody because you had three of the great shooters at that period of time. Steph is the greatest shooter. KD is up there somewhere. Klay is up there somewhere. 00:13:18 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:13:19 Speaker 2: What we going to do, Joe? What we going to do? 00:13:21 Speaker 3: It was nothing you could do because Draymond, I thought, was the key. Okay, Ocho, we know you got great scores, but his IQ for the game. And look, defensively, you're like, okay, look, we're going to let Draymond

shoot. He was so in tune with the game, bro, that every time the ball came to him, he's wide open, he go right into a dribble handoff. 00:13:39 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? 00:13:40 Speaker 3: That dribble handoff going to be to KD, going to be to Klay, going to be to Steph Curry. 00:13:44 Speaker 2: And guess what? It ain't nobody on that damn backside who going to help you. You know what I mean? So I thought him being. 00:13:50 Speaker 3: Cerebral throughout their run, before they got Durant, after they got Durant, I thought Draymond was the key. And, man, it's just hard to have high IQ guys like that, bro, who can really play the. 00:14:01 Speaker 2: Game and very selfless. 00:14:04 Speaker 1: And I think that's the thing. The thing is that you have to admire about Draymond. Draymond's like, I know I ain't no great shooter. I ain't going to let y'all fool me into thinking that I am. 00:14:12 Speaker 3: Hello. 00:14:12 Speaker 2: But leave me wide open. Yeah. Because like you say... Okay. And he was. 00:14:17 Speaker 1: Smart enough to know because sometimes like, oh, y'all, hey, he'll fake the dribble handoff and you go to the rim. 00:14:22 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:14:24 Speaker 1: So he's like, oh, and he got better. I mean, he never was going to be a great three-point shooter, but he improved enough And he was like, hey. And that's what him and Steve Kerr ended up getting into it at OKC. 00:14:37 Speaker 2: Oh, you don't want me to shoot? Nah, I really don't. Hey, listen, hold up. 00:14:41 Speaker 3: You let him get that little wind up and you let him make one or two on the Ocho, he'll make a. 00:14:45 Speaker 2: Few in a row. 00:14:46 Speaker 3: You know, confidence is everything. You think about some of those finals. I think it was a Game 7 final. 00:14:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, he would have been the finals MVP had they won that. Because he almost had a triple-double. He had like 36-15-9. 00:15:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:15:01 Speaker 2: He went out. 36? Yeah, in the finals. He couldn't miss. That boy was– he had it going. So I think, you. 00:15:08 Speaker 3: Know, he's just as much as– key figure in that championship run. I know everybody kind of tried to downplay his role, but he probably had- No, he's the heartbeat. He's the pulse. 00:15:20 Speaker 2: Oh, my God. 00:15:20 Speaker 3: He probably had the biggest role on the team because he didn't care about scoring, bro. 00:15:25 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? 00:15:25 Speaker 3: If you're Steph and Klay and KD, those guys love to score. Those guys love to shoot the ball. Draymond come out, that man may shoot four times, bro. 00:15:34 Speaker 2: Yep. You know what I'm saying? 00:15:36 Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, Uncle Joe, I always hear how important Draymond's green role is. 00:15:41 Speaker 4: You know, with Golden State. 00:15:44 Speaker 5: Being that he's so important to that specific system in general, Can he play outside of that if he was to ever go anywhere else? Would he still be as effective or as important in the system if he's not in Golden State? 00:15:56 Speaker 2: It depends on the players that surround him. That's what I think. 00:15:59 Speaker 3: I know he played with some hell of a shooters in Golden State, but you put him around some talent that you can't go put him on one of these young-ass teams like the Nets and be like, Draymond, go out there. 00:16:08 Speaker 2: He's going to look slow out there with them. Right. Well, who are you going to put him on that got shooters like that? 00:16:14 Speaker 1: Because what he was able to do is that– you couldn't condense the floor because of those shooters. 00:16:21 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:16:21 Speaker 2: You had to stay spaced out. Yeah. Because of you. I'm not doubling Draymond. What the hell? 00:16:28 Speaker 1: Nah. 00:16:29 Speaker 2: And you couldn't help off Clay. You couldn't help off Steph. Right. 00:16:34 Speaker 1: And he gave him so, he was the heartbeat because he does all the dirty stuff. 00:16:38 Speaker 2: Yeah. He folded the laundry. He washed the clothes. He raked up. He swept the house. He did all the ish that they didn't want to do. He did it all. Absolutely. That's why they put up with all this bull jive. Yep. 00:16:50 Speaker 6: Who else? 00:16:51 Speaker 1: Where else are we going to find someone that can do all the things that Draymond do and never complains about shots? As Joe said, sometimes he might have two points, 12 rebounds, 13 assists. 00:17:02 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:17:03 Speaker 2: He okay with that. 00:17:04 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:17:05 Speaker 2: That's winning. That's a winning pedigree, bro. 00:17:08 Speaker 1: A lot of times when people start to win what they want, they want more opportunity, man. I can do more. They just give me up. Draymond never said, Hey, I need me 10 shots a night. Now some nights he perfectly fine impacting the game and not scoring a point because he felt he could impact the game. Rebound on the basketball, defending the paint, facilitating an offense. He never determined that his worth was only in scoring. And a lot of guys on show, you know, it, they, man, I need to catch the ball. Man, I get me 10. That's how I impact the game. Or if I do this, this is how I impact the game. Draymond says my overall body of work, the least thing that he did was score. 00:17:51 Speaker 3: Yeah. Hey, look, he does everything in his power now, Uncle Ocho, when y'all watch him, to try to make Steph Curry's job a lot easier. 00:18:01 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? 00:18:03 Speaker 3: Setting picks in the backcourt, doing whatever he can to get on the ball. When Draymond got the ball, he's a passer. Don't think he's going to do nothing else. He'll surprise you by driving to the goal here and there. But for the most part, he is looking to facilitate 99% of the time, bro. 00:18:19 Speaker 4: Yes. 00:18:19 Speaker 2: If you overplay the handoff, Joe, he'll dribble it to the basket. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:18:23

Speaker 1: But being equal, he wants to hand up all to Steph, set a great pick, and let Steph get the shot off. 00:18:29 Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yep. 00:18:32 Speaker 1: And, hey, you hear these rumors that they might be interested in trading Draymond before the trade deadline. Because remember, he opted out, and they only signed a one-year deal. But I think, look, that kid Lindenburg, I don't know if you just watched it, but I'm watching it. Boy, he giving the Rockets fits. Because Steph left the game early. 00:18:50 Speaker 4: Yeah, so his back messed up or something. 00:18:53 Speaker 1: His back or his oblique or something. I know he was complaining because he hit that three and started grabbing it. Yeah, he started grabbing that low oblique, right? 00:19:00 Speaker 2: Hey, listen. Hey, go ahead, Joe. Lindenburg can play, huh? He a winner, bro. He can. He is polished. 00:19:06 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Like, he been in college for a little while. He came to the NBA. He has the size. He has the body to go out there and compete on a night-to-night basis. He don't got no weakness, bro. I seen the man, Hanlon Rock, come up, shoot a headsie, pull a three. I seen him get to the bucket. He play hard. He going to defend. He going to do whatever he can to guard his yard. I mean, as a rookie, bro, he's playing above his head right now. I mean, if you go to state, okay, Ocho, you hit on the money with this pick, bro. 00:19:32 Speaker 2: He helping you right now. 00:19:35 Speaker 1: Theoretically, his thing says rookie, but he's 24 years old. Most 24 year olds are in their fourth or fifth year. That is the difference. So you bring a guy in and you wait until he gets 24 and then he's playing well. 00:19:49 Speaker 2: Well, this kid is already 24. He already has a mature body. 00:19:52 Speaker 1: So he don't really need to grow into his body because his body is already grown. So now, as opposed to a guy that's not ready to play, oh, Joe, we got Joe and we got. 00:20:01 Speaker 2: Him on a rookie, he come in ready to play. Yeah, he does, bro. He does. I mean. 00:20:07 Speaker 3: He doesn't– when I say he don't have a weakness, he can catch and shoot on Ocho. 00:20:10 Speaker 2: He can run the pick and roll. He can dime. He can pass. 00:20:13 Speaker 3: He can post up. He can– I mean, he can– he does everything. If you Steve Kerr, Steve Kerr happy to have that young man on the team, bro. 00:20:22 Speaker 2: For sure. You know what I mean? 00:20:24 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:20:25 Speaker 1: And I think the thing is that Joe and Ocho, I don't know how many– I mean, Steph looked like he got three, four more years to play. I don't know when Steph wants to hang it up. But I think looking at the way Steve talks about him, I think this is how they envision Jordan Poole. The transition with Steph Curry leaves, we got a guy that we can build around him. I think that's how they envision Jordan Poole. Jordan Poole wasn't mature enough to handle that situation. You got

a guy now. Because what happens when you young and you went early, Why they can't hit you in the ass with a red apple? Because now you start to think what you start to think. 00:21:05 Speaker 2: It's me, your boy. 00:21:05 Speaker 1: Hello, hello, hello. You know, you have a good game. You drop a 30-piece or a 40-piece. Aw, man, ain't nobody telling you nothing. And what your people telling you? Hey, man, shit, you might need your own team. Boy, you might be an all-star. You might be this, that, and the third. 00:21:22 Speaker 2: Just think, if you could get as many shots as Steph. 00:21:26 Speaker 1: Hey, hey, and you got that little joke on your shoulder, you got your littleism. You right, he right, now you know I'm right. 00:21:34 Speaker 2: Man, if you just. 00:21:35 Speaker 1: Shot 19, 20 times like Steph, what could you do? You had a green light. Instead of you being the homeboy and knocking the– hey, man, get your ass off this man's shoulder talking crazy. You're going to have us out of here talking reckless like that. 00:21:51 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:21:52 Speaker 3: But, you know, guys, man, I know in football it happens too because guys want their opportunities to be able to showcase their skills and see what they really can do. Same thing in basketball, bro. You get an opportunity, you want to try to make the most of it, bro. 00:22:09 Speaker 1: The Cleveland Cavaliers defeated the Knicks 115-108, snapping New York's four-game win streak. Speaking of streaks, Cleveland snapped a five-game losing streak to the Knicks. Big-time game for James Harden. He scored a season-high 32 points on nine of 14 field goals. 00:22:25 Speaker 2: Five of seven from the three, he had four assists. 00:22:27 Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell chipped in with 23 points on eight of 15 shootings, seven rebounds, six assists. 00:22:32 Speaker 2: Joe, what was working for the Cavs tonight? I'm going to tell you all what was working. James think he's slick. 00:22:37 Speaker 3: James Harden, he came out with that new shoe tonight in Madison Square Garden in New York. Okay, Ocho, you ain't coming out with no damn new shoe, and you going to go out there and drop eight, nine damn points, okay? James Harden say, listen, I'm dropping my new shoe tonight in New York, the Mecca of basketball, and on top of that, I'm going to give you, boy, 32 of them things. 00:22:56 Speaker 2: You hear me? 32 of them things. 00:22:58 Speaker 3: This is probably the best game he'd have had in quite some time, Ocho, to keep it 100. 00:23:02 Speaker 2: He looked like James Harden. Go ahead, Ocho. 00:23:06 Speaker 5: Now, I will say why we can't get this James Harden all the time, not only in the regular season, but obviously the postseason. If you can have games like we had today in the Mecca where everybody's showing up, the basketball of royalty places. I mean, the basketball of royalty where you want to play basketball. Why can't you do this every night? And if you don't hit 32, can we get 25? Can

we get 28 every single night from you? 00:23:29 Speaker 3: Look, I think when he was really in his prime, Ocho, you could get that every night, bro. Every night you could get that. You could get 32 every night in his prime, period, point blank. But I think now that he's a little older, he will have moments like tonight to where he give you one of those, okay, one of those old James Harden games. Because the Knicks couldn't do nothing– Couldn't do nothing with him. My thing was, you know, they've always built these leads and played great against these good teams. Even New York, they played great against New York. I thought at some point they was going to fold tonight, but they was able to keep it afloat and was able to pull the game out. Then when I thought about it, I said, hold on. James came out with that new shoe. He know he can't come out here and lay no egg. You know what I'm saying? 00:24:09 Speaker 2: That boy came out here and showed up and showed out, man. 00:24:13 Speaker 1: This was the game I had on television. I had the other games in the four box, you know, watching on my phone. He looked like James Harden. Dribble, dribble, in and out, step back, sidestep three. In and out, back, back, backpedal, three. Put the ball on the floor, bump, kiss off the glass. He looked like James Harden. This was vintage James Harden. Now, it is a little harder to play with a guy because he has a guy in Donovan Mitchell that needs the ball in his hands, too. 00:24:41 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:24:42 Speaker 1: And he really hasn't played with a score like Donovan before. Now he had KD, but he was, that was, you gotta go pre-Houston, Houston, post-Houston. Because there are three different areas of James Harden. James Harden was not the James Harden that we saw in Houston. That was as good an offensive player that we've seen. 00:25:05 Speaker 2: In the end. 00:25:06 Speaker 1: You take Jordan, his prime. You take Kobe, his prime. You take James Harden, his prime. I'm talking about scoring the basketball. James Harden ain't got to take a backseat to nobody. 00:25:16 Speaker 2: Nah. Hey. 00:25:19 Speaker 1: So you got to look at him in three phases. OKC, so pre-Houston, Houston, post-Houston. Yeah. That guy post-Houston, he really didn't have nobody, Joe, that required the ball like he does. 00:25:33 Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell needs the ball. Yeah. Yeah. And when he was in OKC, he was the third option. 00:25:39 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:25:39 Speaker 2: KD, Russ, James. 00:25:42 Speaker 4: That's crazy. 00:25:43 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:25:44 Speaker 3: He get to Houston. Go ahead, Joe. He get to Houston. You know, he played with Chris Paul, who was a ball-dominant guard. And they had a good thing going, but I thought James was really in his prime, the way he was scoring the ball. Hell, he couldn't do no wrong playing next to CP. Then he played with Russell Westbrook. You know what I'm saying? Then he went to New York. But it's just, I think he can give you nights like this. Him averaging about 22 a game, he should be able to do that on a night-to-night basis. 00:26:11 Speaker 2: He got too much talent, bro. 00:26:13 Speaker 3: If he make his mind up the way he want to come out and obviously put on a show, I think, honestly, I think he can do it. 00:26:19 Speaker 2: I think he really can, bro. Just show me the night. 00:26:22 Speaker 3: And I know I talked about his shoes, which they are nice, but he had a little incentive tonight, Ocho. He know everybody going to be watching, man. He know them folks going to be posting his shoes everywhere. 00:26:33 Speaker 2: Come on, man. I got this 32 burger in there too. Come on. And as you said, he's playing the Knicks. They hadn't beaten the Knicks in a while. Yep. 00:26:44 Speaker 1: And he hasn't been playing well this year. He's only averaging 15 points a game. You got to go back to when he was in OKC. to see him average that few points in a game per game in a season. So, obviously, and he got it going early. And he's one of those guys, and Joe, you know this, most of you guys, if y'all get it going early, you're. 00:27:06 Speaker 2: Not turning them off. It's hard to turn them off. You got to start doubling and tripling. You got to. Yeah, you got to get the ball on his head. 00:27:11 Speaker 1: But if you're doubling and tripling him, you got a guy over there that's going for 70. 00:27:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:27:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought those other guys too, Jared Allen. Oh, Jared Allen was huge. Yeah. 00:27:28 Speaker 1: They made some key blocks down the stretch. I think every– no, it might have been Jared Allen blocked one. I think Peyton Watson blocked another. 00:27:38 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:27:38 Speaker 1: They got some huge defensive stops when they had to have– I'm like, bro, y'all got two– you were Jared Allen 6'9. 00:27:45 Speaker 2: You got every move like 6'10, 6'11. Okay. Guys, use that height. 00:27:49 Speaker 1: And I thought they did. And I thought looking at the game, I was watching it like, okay. And you see the Knicks. Man, I ain't never seen the team go on runs like them Jugglers. Man, you had them Jugglers down 15. And two minutes later, I'd be damned if it ain't a tie ball game. 00:28:03 Speaker 3: They got great chemistry and continuity. That's hard to match for teams who hadn't been together for quite some time. You got to understand, man, a lot of these dudes play college ball together. They just got a good thing going right now. 00:28:15 Speaker 2: They do. 00:28:16 Speaker 3: But I think for Cleveland to beat the Knicks, I mean, that's a confidence booster for them because the Knicks have been having their way with them boys, man. 00:28:24 Speaker 1: Because we haven't seen James Harden, I don't think, have a game like what he had tonight. 00:28:29 Speaker 3: Facts. 00:28:29 Speaker 2: Facts. He was efficient. Think about it. 00:28:31 Speaker 1: Nine of four teams. eight, five, or seven from the three. You look at Donovan,

over 50%. These guys get up a lot of shots, but when you make them inefficient, okay, if you get 30 points, you got to take 26 shots to get it. 00:28:45 Speaker 2: Okay, I feel good about that. 00:28:46 Speaker 1: Because I already know in those 26 shots that you took, some of them were some bull jive that led to quick points for us. 00:28:52 Speaker 2: Hello. And think about this. Okay, Ocho. 00:28:54 Speaker 3: But Cleveland with Mobley and Allen, man, they got mobile bigs. They got mobile bigs who can guard Cat, who can make it tough on Cat. They want a team. So that's why it's so discouraging when I watch the Cavs play. I'm like, bro, y'all supposed to be handling the Knicks, even though they did a couple times and blew the lead. But, bro, the Cavs got a decent team. They just got to put it together, bro, for 48 minutes. They got to figure out who they really want to be. 00:29:21 Speaker 2: I agree, Joe. I agree. 00:29:23 Speaker 1: I mean, you look at Evan Moley, they playing him big time. But sometimes I like, bro, shouldn't nobody be able to shoot a shot in the lane? You got Evan Moley that's 6'10, 6'11. You got Jared Allen that's 6'9. They got a damn near 7'7 wingspan. I'm swatting everything. And I'm like, man, look, I understand that Jared Allen is not going to be a Joel Embiid in his prime. 00:29:49 Speaker 2: That's not what he is. I get it. 00:29:51 Speaker 1: But sometimes I don't understand. This man will go, he'll make 11 or 12 shots. He'll have 24 points. 16 rebounds, and in the very next game, he'll come back with four and eight. 00:30:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I don't understand it neither. 00:30:03 Speaker 3: I think that's why we are so discouraged with the Cavs because they're so inconsistent. 00:30:10 Speaker 2: At the wrong damn time. Okay, Ocho, you know what I'm saying? 00:30:14 Speaker 3: It's like during the regular season, they could be a top three, top four team in the East. It's like when the postseason get here, it's like they struggle, bro. 00:30:22 Speaker 2: They struggle. 00:30:22 Speaker 3: They go in six, seven games with teams, and it bogs you down. When you got older guys who got to continue to play deep in the series, come on, man. You got to close some of these teams out so you can rest. 00:30:33 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Yeah. Looking at, what do you think about the Knicks? 00:30:39 Speaker 1: They're not, I mean, Obviously, I don't think anybody thought there was going to be 12 and 0. But I think people, I think they're, what, 6 and 6 right now? I think people thought they would have a better record than what they have. 00:30:52 Speaker 2: Man, listen. 00:30:54 Speaker 3: The Knicks, I feel like the Knicks trying to still find rhythm. You know, it's a lot hanging over some of those guys' head. But when you look at Bridges, bro. This is what I be talking about. Him and Josh Hart tonight, it's hard to win when they post stats like that. 00:31:11 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You mean Josh Hart and Mikael Bridges? Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Josh Hart and Mikael Bridges. 00:31:17 Speaker 3: When they play like this, it's going to be hard for the Knicks to win because you put so much on OG. 00:31:22 Speaker 2: You put so much on Kent. 00:31:23 Speaker 3: You put so much on Brunson that these guys got to play heroic basketball just for them to win. 00:31:28 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It's too much. 00:31:32 Speaker 1: It seemed to me tonight, Joe, is that Mike Brown made a conscious effort to go with Shamit and McBride over Bridges because both of those guys played more minutes than Bridges. Bridges is struggling this year, and I know it's early in the season, but he's struggling for whatever reason, Joe. I don't know. 00:31:51 Speaker 2: I don't know. 00:31:52 Speaker 1: Maybe he is dealing with an injury. Maybe he's dealing with something off the court. But Bridges is struggling. And like you said, I can't go out there with a guy giving me two points, Joe. 00:32:03 Speaker 2: Come on, man. They gave me eight points. 00:32:05 Speaker 1: My two guys that I really count on, they gave me eight points between them. 00:32:09 Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying. I'm saying, like, he's not really giving himself a chance. He only shot three shots. He didn't shoot no threes. And then when you look at Shamit, he come in, he two for four from the three. McBride, five for ten from three. You need that three-point shooting, bro, to open up the floor so guys like Cat can work. So guys like Brunson can work. You know what I mean? 00:32:31 Speaker 4: Yeah. Hey, Alvin Jones. 00:32:32 Speaker 2: Go ahead, Ocho. 00:32:33 Speaker 5: You think Mikael Bridges, the fact that he's struggling offensively, but he's so good defensively, why he's still in the starting lineup instead of Schmidt or McBride? 00:32:43 Speaker 1: Well, I think the thing, Ocho, they might keep him in it, but he might start. But if you look at it, he's going to start playing less and less minutes. 00:32:51 Speaker 2: Yeah. Because now, because it's going to be five on four. 00:32:55 Speaker 1: The reason why we like him, yes, he plays outstanding defense, but he's a space-to-floor guy. He can shoot the three. He can catch and shoot. He can put the ball on the floor, and he's what they call a three-and-D guy. 00:33:07 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:33:07 Speaker 1: He can shoot the three ball, and he can play outstanding defense. Well, if he can't shoot the ball, now they're going to clog the lane so Brunson can't get through cracks. 00:33:18 Speaker 2: Right. And then guys are like, well, we ain't worried about you, bro. Hey, he with us. Yeah. 00:33:25 Speaker 3: And you want to keep Shamik and McBride coming off the bench, Ocho, because they your spark plugs. When you're starting five, come out lackluster and ain't really got it tonight. You know what I'm saying? We need a spark plug or two that we can throw in there and kind of catch high real quick and kind of get us going. I can't

see them ever really starting Shamik or McBride. They have in the postseason when guys have been out, but for the most part, they're going to come off the bench and try to give you a spark when things aren't going as great. 00:33:54 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 00:33:55 Speaker 1: You're right, because I don't see Bridges as that type of guy. McBride has always been a bench guy, so it's easy for him. And so I want a guy that if we're down, you know, four points, six points, I know McBride can catch fire. And before you know it, in three possessions, we either tie or we have the lead. Same thing with Shamit. Shamit has turned himself into an outstanding defensive player, too. 00:34:18 Speaker 2: He wasn't always like this, Joe. 00:34:20 Speaker 3: Nah, but you got to understand, Ojo, last– I think last year when the season was starting, he didn't even have a contract. 00:34:27 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? 00:34:28 Speaker 3: I think he just got accepted to training camp, and he ended up making the team. So he probably playing with a little different oomph out there. You know what I mean? Like he may not be the best defender on the ultra, but he trying like I don't know where he's moving them feet. You feel what I'm saying? Like he's going to be a pest. He know he has to play that way. 00:34:46 Speaker 2: But that's what defense is. Yeah. Defense is all about desire. 00:34:51 Speaker 1: And when we talked about Luka, we was like, Luka, we don't want you to be Alvin Robertson. We don't need you to be that Gary Clayton. We just don't need you to get beat off the first move. If you make him go to the counter. We probably can get help there. If you don't make him come to the counter, we got no chance. And Luka is making a concerted effort. Obviously, those guys, McBride. But the thing is that I like about these guys, look, the only guy that's not really required to play defense is Jalen Brunson. Everybody else, you got to play defense. Josh Hart, Bridges, Shammett, McBride, Cat. Hey, block a few shots here and there. We know even at seven foot, Cat is not the best defender. Right. But what he gives you on the offensive end, and this is what I tell guys all the time. 00:35:38 Speaker 2: This is the way I thought. 00:35:40 Speaker 1: I wasn't the greatest blocker, but I said I'm more of an asset in the passing game than I am a liability in the run game. 00:35:46 Speaker 2: Hello. 00:35:47 Speaker 1: So the question is, as a basketball player, are you more of an asset on the offensive end than you are a liability on the defensive end? And if you can answer that yes, we're going to be okay. 00:35:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Hey, listen. I like New York, man. They'll get it together. They'll go on a run. 00:36:03 Speaker 3: They'll find them a nice little streak throughout the season. But right now, they the target, bro. Every team that they play, they going to get everybody's best game. 00:36:10 Speaker 2: This is just what it is. You're the champion. You're the standard. 00:36:14 Speaker 3: So every time somebody come in your building or you go in somebody else's building, boy, they done got their sleep the night before. 00:36:19 Speaker 2: They done ate good. You hear me? They coming. 00:36:21 Speaker 3: They ain't finna play no game. So, hey, you better lace them up tight, boy, and get ready. Especially, especially. It's a national televised game, Joe. 00:36:29 Speaker 1: Hello. 00:36:30 Speaker 2: Everybody sitting around watching this one. 00:36:32 Speaker 1: I ain't got to try to find it on no app or nothing. 00:36:35 Speaker 2: I just turn the TV on. Damn, the next one. 00:36:38 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:36:39 Speaker 1: And guess what? The opposing team said, yeah. Oh, this is a national televised game. 00:36:44 Speaker 2: People watch it. And James Harden went to work tonight. Think about it. 00:36:50 Speaker 3: You think this was a coincidence, Ocho, that James Harden debuted his new shoe in New York? 00:36:56 Speaker 2: Come on, man. What are we talking about? 00:36:58 Speaker 4: It went crazy, huh? 00:37:00 Speaker 2: Man, that boy put down a mean demonstration. 00:37:05 Speaker 1: He looked like James Harden. I mean, I was like, damn. In the corner? I mean, he was in the corner. 00:37:11 Speaker 2: I said, well, damn. Hey, hey. That's what them new shoes do to you. You know what I'm saying? You got them new soles in there. You feeling good. You bounce a little different. 00:37:22 Speaker 4: Huh? 00:37:22 Speaker 2: James out there hitting them with that. Hey. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. 00:37:27 Speaker 1: He had it going tonight. And I even see them sides still. I said, oh, yeah. Hey, he done stepped with. 00:37:32 Speaker 2: Hey, he right here. And all of a sudden, he way over that joke. 00:37:35 Speaker 4: Ha, ha, ha. 00:37:36 Speaker 1: Let that three ball go on him. I said, Nick, y'all might be in trouble tonight now. 00:37:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was feeling good. Y'all better try to cool him off. He was feeling good tonight. 00:37:47 Speaker 1: The weather must be ain't changed quite yet in New York because he was cooking. 00:37:52 Speaker 2: That cold weather normally slow him down. It ain't slow him down tonight. He had it going tonight. 00:37:56 Speaker 1: But if you're going to get this kind of performance from he and Donovan and the bigs play like they played tonight, they're. 00:38:05 Speaker 2: Going to be all right. 00:38:07 Speaker 3: I know, and we always end up at this point, though, Ocho, at some point throughout the season. 00:38:13 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? 00:38:15 Speaker 3: And then once postseason get here, it's like. 00:38:17 Speaker 2: Damn, what happened? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. 00:38:21 Speaker 1: But the bench, Proctor and Thomas, they gave them 15 and 14, respectively, off the bench. They were 5 or 12 from the 3. 00:38:29 Speaker 2: Both of them shot 50% or better from the floor. 00:38:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. 00:38:34 Speaker 2: Oh,

that's my young boy, Malik Thomas from Arkansas, man. That's the rookie. Come on, man. 00:38:40 Speaker 3: That man been on fire. Oh, yeah, he been talking about you can't keep no star down. That boy come off the bench. He wasn't even playing the first couple games. They threw him in there. The boy caught hot. He a natural scorer, bro. He's a natural microwave. You put him in the game, he scores in bunches. This is what he does, bro. I'm happy for that young man, man. 00:38:59 Speaker 2: You know what? I don't even know how. Yeah. He doing his one-two. He doing his one-two. 00:39:04 Speaker 3: If they bench can get him contribution like that tonight. 00:39:07 Speaker 4: Yes. 00:39:08 Speaker 1: That'll definitely help. So the Cavaliers in their losing streak. 00:39:19 Speaker 2: And the. 00:39:21 Speaker 1: Knicks in their winning streak. So the Cavaliers snap a five-game losing streak to the Knicks. James Harden, big game, 32. points, 9 of 14, 5 of 7, 4 assists. And Donovan Mitchell had 23 on 8 of 15 from the floor, 7 rebounds, 6 assists. 00:39:39 Speaker 2: Played really, really well tonight. 00:39:42 Speaker 1: JB spoke about ignoring his former teammate, Jason Tatum, in the postgame after the Celtics defeated the Sixers last night. I'm just focused on coming out here doing what's best for my team. To be honest, I wasn't paying attention. But credit Jason. He played well tonight. JB made sure to dap up all of his former teammates except Tatum. Ocho, Joe, are you surprised? Ocho, I'll go to you first. Are you surprised that JB is taking it this far? 00:40:10 Speaker 5: No, I'm not surprised at all, Uncle Joe. For the people in the chat, for you and Joe as well, There are things that JB knows that Jason Tatum might have done behind closed doors that we don't know on the outside. For him to react the way he does, finally seeing JB in person on the court and not acknowledging him at all before the game or after the game, lets you know it's more serious than what we already know. Based on what we know from the sources or from what's being reported, no one just come out and said it. 00:40:39 Speaker 4: No one just come out and said it. JB knows it. We just don't. There's a reason why he didn't acknowledge him before the game started. 00:40:47 Speaker 5: And there's a reason why he dapped everybody up and said hello to everybody else when the game ended. 00:40:53 Speaker 2: Nah. 00:40:54 Speaker 4: It's honest. 00:40:55 Speaker 5: And honestly, if you know behind closed doors, you done said something, Joe? You done said something, you know, for things to happen, to escalate the way they have? 00:41:03 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:41:04 Speaker 4: And having maybe somewhat of a say in leaving? 00:41:06 Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, don't come. 00:41:08 Speaker 4: Trying to talk to me. Don't be phony. Don't be phony. 00:41:12 Speaker 3: Don't be phony. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't be phony. Nah, I disagree. I think JB being petty as hell, if you ask me. 00:41:20 Speaker 2: I agree. 00:41:21 Speaker 3: If you go dap up all your ex-teammates and you don't dap, that man ain't the GM, Ocho. He don't call no shots, bro. I mean, you're taking your frustration out. To me, if you ask me, I think you're taking your frustration out on the wrong person. Y'all won a title together. Y'all was a great duo. Acknowledge that, bro. Even when Kobe and Shaq did that Arco Nocho back in the day, bro, from a fan's perspective, when I was watching, hell, that hurt me. 00:41:50 Speaker 2: I'm like, damn. 00:41:51 Speaker 3: Them dudes, they three championships in a row, bro. And you mean to tell me you come out here on Christmas, y'all don't speak? 00:41:58 Speaker 2: Come on, man. 00:41:59 Speaker 3: I thought JB would file for that. 00:42:01 Speaker 2: I ain't going to lie to you. That's just me, though. 00:42:04 Speaker 1: No, I'm going to say I owe it to you. 00:42:06 Speaker 2: I'll part with you. For you, you didn't even notice him. That man came over there and dabbed you in your chest. Come on, man. And you're talking about you didn't notice him. Come on. 00:42:14 Speaker 1: I've been in a very similar situation. The same thing happened to me with Derek Thomas. I said some things that I probably shouldn't have said. And I went to him like a man. I said, bro, I'm sorry. I said, DT, man, me and you done hung out together. We done worked out together. We done partied together. We done did a lot of stuff together. I said, bro, I was wrong. And I got my arms around it, and y'all can go pull it up. He's stretching. He's standing up, and I'm hugging him. He's just shaking his head. He's like totally ignoring me. 00:42:42 Speaker 2: Yeah. I said, God, you know my heart. 00:42:46 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:42:47 Speaker 1: I said, I was wrong for what I said, and I shouldn't have. Ain't no problem. I shouldn't have said it. But I'm done with it. I'm done with it. 00:42:55 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:42:55 Speaker 2: And I made peace with it. I made peace with it. 00:43:00 Speaker 1: And I'm glad I made peace with it because obviously we know he tragically got in an accident, got paralyzed, got a blood clot, and he ended up passing. But I was at peace, and I know it would have been hard for me to forgive myself if I didn't go to him. Yeah. 00:43:15 Speaker 2: And do what I did. So I understand JT's like, bro. I was like, come on, man. Just say, hey, hey, hey. No, you can't. And just keep it moving. 00:43:29 Speaker 1: But for you to pretend like you spent, Joe, the man spent it. Come on now, Ocho. 00:43:36 Speaker 4: And Joe, y'all are not seeing the big picture. You're not understanding. Listen, you say his energy shouldn't be towards Jason Tatum. It should be towards management. We're getting them out of there. 00:43:48 Speaker 5: You don't know all the details because they didn't tell everything. He hadn't said everything that happened behind closed doors that we don't know about. There are other things that are bothering JB that he

has chose not to disclose to the public, which is why he acted the way he did. He's not saying nothing to Jason Tatum just because he got traded? 00:44:08 Speaker 4: No. It's obviously other stuff that we don't know about, which is why he's doing that. 00:44:12 Speaker 5: It's not being petty. It's just, okay, I know about this. I know you had something to do with it. When I see you, man, don't be being phony trying to holler at me. When I know what you did behind closed doors, we just don't know about it. So you seen it as petty, but he know what happened. 00:44:27 Speaker 1: Oh, Joe, for me, and I've said this, is that I never felt, and I could be totally wrong, and if I'm wrong, Lord, forgive me. I just never felt the Celtics view Jason Brown, Jalen Brown, as they view Jason Tatum. It's simple as that, Ocho. Every parent got a favorite child. Don't let them tell you. You got one too. Yes, you. 00:44:57 Speaker 2: You, everybody got a favorite child. 00:45:00 Speaker 1: The Celtics viewed Jason Tatum more favorable than they viewed JB. Now, look, we can say, well, you know, JB is all for his community and X, Y, Z. 00:45:10 Speaker 2: I don't know the reasons why. 00:45:12 Speaker 1: But I don't think you won't find anybody that says, ever say, that the Celtics. 00:45:19 Speaker 2: Viewed JB and JT as equal. They never did. 00:45:22 Speaker 1: They never did. And I think that bothered him. He says, I'm an all-star just like JB. I mean, just like JT. I'm an Eastern Conference MVP. I won the Larry Bird Award. But I have something that he doesn't. I got a Finals MVP. I got a Bill Russell Award. So why can't I be viewed as favorable as him? 00:45:46 Speaker 4: Hold on. But even with the viewing, right? 00:45:50 Speaker 5: Even with the narrative, the public might prefer JT in general. That's still not the reason why he's not talking or acknowledging JT before a game. That's not the reason. All the things you guys are arguing about has nothing to do why he ignored him. It's stuff that we don't know about. That's the problem. So my thing is, and I get it. Well, if JT really wanted JB there, he could have said, but JT don't cut no checks, Joe. And they just got new management. They sold the team. So it's different, bro. They not coming in there, the new management, Ocho, the new owners. Man, they trying to cut salaries, bro. 00:46:34 Speaker 3: I think what really offended JB was that, damn, I'm tops in the league in scoring. I got us in like the third seed in the Eastern Conference. But all of a sudden, JT come back. It's like, oh, JT this, JT that. Who the hell been carrying us for the past two years or so? 00:46:49 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? 00:46:50 Speaker 3: And I think that's what really, really ticked him off. He won finals MVP. He won instant conference MVP. And you mean to tell me I ain't got no value? Y'all acting like I'm second fiddle over here? 00:47:01 Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, hold on. 00:47:02 Speaker 4: Think about what you're saying now. Think about it. When it comes to the NBA, who runs the NBA, Uncle Joe? 00:47:07 Speaker 2: Who runs the NBA? The who? We said owners? 00:47:11 Speaker 4: The players. 00:47:12 Speaker 2: The players. The superstars, yeah. 00:47:14 Speaker 4: The superstars run. JT is what? 00:47:16 Speaker 2: He's a what? 00:47:17 Speaker 4: A superstar, right? 00:47:18 Speaker 2: Right. Yeah. 00:47:19 Speaker 4: Yes. So, again, JT voice matters. 00:47:22 Speaker 5: JT's voice is extremely powerful over there in Boston in that organization. 00:47:27 Speaker 6: Whether it's old management, whether it's new management, whether it's no management, if JT goes and stands on the table and says, listen, I don't agree. 00:47:37 Speaker 5: With us thinking about letting JB go, let's try to run this thing back with him and I because we already did it once before. 00:47:43 Speaker 4: You mean to tell me you think they're going to let JB go? Absolutely not. 00:47:50 Speaker 2: Let me tell you why, Ojo. 00:47:52 Speaker 1: Because one of the reasons why a lot of teams soured on JB is because he wanted an extension. Two years, 140 plus million. Plus all the things. Now, I don't know if this is true. Because from what I read, Joe, and I don't know if you read this, is that he's like, if y'all going to trade me, he put down a couple of teams that he. 00:48:14 Speaker 2: Would be willing to go to. 00:48:17 Speaker 1: They said Brooklyn was a little hesitant because of the situation they had with Kyrie. Milwaukee said, well, we're going to be in a similar situation to what we just got out of with Giannis. So you got to factor all of that into this equation. a guy that's coming up that's going to want an extension, a guy that's very outspoken, because at the end of the day, they can say, oh, we want guys to be themselves. They really don't. They want you to shut up and play basketball. That's what they want you to do, Ocho. Same thing in football. 00:48:50 Speaker 4: Yeah, I know. 00:48:52 Speaker 1: Oh, they want you to do issues that's, okay, you're out in the community, you're passing out turkeys, you're helping battered women, you're helping, but there are certain issues. 00:49:09 Speaker 5: When it comes to issues, they don't want you to touch on nothing controversial. Keep politics out of it, please. Keep religion out of it. We don't want the backlash that comes with that. 00:49:18 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:49:19 Speaker 4: The good stuff, the good stories, now we can deal with those things. We can help you promote those things. 00:49:25 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:49:26 Speaker 5: Controversial stuff, please keep it away from us. 00:49:30 Speaker 4: Don't mess up our bottom line. And you know what our bottom line is? It's about making money. 00:49:34 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:49:35 Speaker 1: And so that's, and I think that you have to factor that in. Because, and we had this conversation, and Joe, we talked about this a little earlier. Let's just say the shoe was on the other

foot. Jason Tatum, seething. You're talking about a guy that's been a three or four-time first-team All-Pro consecutive. There are games that man didn't damn play. Would JB have been okay with that? 00:50:05 Speaker 4: Hmm. 00:50:09 Speaker 1: You got the fact that they factor all of those things in as opposed to when they put a group together. Because, as you said, as we know, all these guys are great in their own right. Steph is Steph, and KD is KD, and Braun is Braun, and Joel Embiid has been an MVP, and Jason Tatum has been an All-NBA selection, and Anthony Davis has been... Everybody has been something. That's how you got on the team. But, That man, they say Steve Kerr going to this man and say, well, I don't know how many minutes I'm going. 00:50:42 Speaker 2: To be able to get you tonight. 00:50:44 Speaker 1: Joe! Hold on, what you, hold on, time out, time out, time out, time out. What the hell you mean you don't know how many, you don't know if I'm going to be able to get you some minutes tonight? Hey, listen. 00:50:56 Speaker 3: And Steve Kerr defense, Ojo, he playing behind Kevin Durant and LeBron James. 00:51:01 Speaker 2: I get it, yeah. You know what I'm saying? 00:51:03 Speaker 1: But you can't find me five minutes, Ojo. You ain't got five for me. You ain't got five on it. The quarters ain't but 10 minutes. They ain't 12 minutes when we playing. They ain't but 10-minute quarter. So you can't get me two minutes in the first, two minutes in the second, two minutes in the third, two minutes. 00:51:19 Speaker 3: So you can't call about me eight minutes. They're going to piss you off. You know what I'm saying? Them little two minutes you get, you ain't even going to break a sweat. 00:51:29 Speaker 2: You're going to run up and down the court two, three times. 00:51:32 Speaker 3: You're going to come out the game throwing your towel and your water bottle. 00:51:35 Speaker 2: Okay, what about your homeboy? 00:51:37 Speaker 1: Hey, Joe, you ain't going to get no run. 00:51:41 Speaker 2: Over there, man. I saw that man sitting down. He's sitting down like the level 12 man on the floor. He's sitting there like, this is a joke. 00:51:49 Speaker 3: Hey, hey, hey, hey, look, look. Because your homeboy going to hit you and be like, damn, they took you way over there, bro. They didn't give you no burn. 00:51:55 Speaker 2: Thank you. 00:51:58 Speaker 1: Look, at the end, nobody's going to care if you lose this gold medal how many minutes you played. 00:52:05 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:52:05 Speaker 1: Steve Kerr understood the assignment. We got to win these games. He knew it. He knew it. 00:52:09 Speaker 3: He knew it because the world is catching up, bro. They done caught up with him. We ain't blowing teams out by 30 and 40. 00:52:14 Speaker 2: Hell, boy, look. 00:52:16 Speaker 3: Some of the comebacks that we had in the Olympics. Okay, Ojo, did y'all see him? 00:52:19 Speaker 2: Oh, my God. 00:52:20 Speaker 1: Especially against... What? Labogie played

for him. Yeah, yeah, with Jokic. Well, we were down. 00:52:27 Speaker 2: Serbia. 00:52:27 Speaker 1: We were down big, boy. Down 15. And the thing is, is that... You short because the game gets– you leave those guys in longer. 00:52:36 Speaker 2: You short in the bench. 00:52:37 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:52:37 Speaker 1: Instead of playing like, oh, we're going to play nine, ten guys. Man, you're playing seven guys. We tried to win now. But look, all I'm going to say is this. If I'm Jason Tatum, I ain't speaking on it no more. I've addressed it. 00:52:55 Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm done with it. Yeah. 00:52:58 Speaker 1: Whether he accepts my apology or wants to have anything to say or do with me, I am done with this. 00:53:06 Speaker 2: And guess what? 00:53:07 Speaker 3: The next time we play each other, I won't go over there and try to say shit to him. 00:53:11 Speaker 2: I won't say nothing to him. It's over with. 00:53:14 Speaker 3: I'm coming in and putting the smack down. 00:53:16 Speaker 2: Hey, hey, hey. 00:53:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, and what I like is, I like how Paul George stole the show yesterday. 00:53:23 Speaker 2: That's what I like. I like how Paul George, look. 00:53:25 Speaker 3: Y'all talking about all this beef between Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown. 00:53:29 Speaker 2: Guess what? 00:53:30 Speaker 3: I'm going to slide through the back door, and I'm going to put up 36, 38 points, huh? And close these boys out. You know what I'm saying? I thought that was the most fascinating story of the night right there, because that boy was hot, boy. 00:53:43 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:53:45 Speaker 2: But think about what he said. Every time he said, what is his reason for being in Boston? I'm here to support Jason Tatum. 00:53:53 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:53:53 Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm here to support Jason Tatum, and that's it. 00:54:03 Speaker 1: He says, hey, the usage that I got, I'm healthy. I wasn't healthy. Remember, he got suspended last year. He wasn't healthy. He had some issues with his shoulders for a couple years, had an issue with his knee. He looked like the PG. 00:54:18 Speaker 4: From Indiana. 00:54:19 Speaker 2: He looks like PG. And I'm with you, Joe. I'm with you. 00:54:26 Speaker 1: But I know if I'm Jason Tatum, because what y'all doing, y'all looking at my skin complexion, and y'all think I'm soft. 00:54:36 Speaker 2: I'm from St. 00:54:36 Speaker 4: Louis. 00:54:38 Speaker 3: Hey, they looking at your skin complexion and your hair. They said, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:54:42 Speaker 2: He got that look. He got that little good hair up there. 00:54:44 Speaker 3: Yeah, he ain't talking about nothing. Yeah, he just got to show up and show out. Continue to put his foot on them boys' neck, man, because. 00:54:52 Speaker 2: It's disrespect for sure, for sure. 00:54:55 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:54:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's disrespect. I'm done, Joe. 00:54:58 Speaker 1: Hey, it's kind of a relationship, Ocho and Joe. You know there's only so many. 00:55:04 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. There's only so many. I apologize that I'm going to give you. 00:55:10 Speaker 4: After that, Shoot. 00:55:15 Speaker 2: Go out here. 00:55:15 Speaker 1: I want you to walk out the door. And when you go and take this left, there's a big old rock pile. I want you to take your shoe off and kick rocks. 00:55:24 Speaker 2: Hey. Because that's it for me. I'm done. I mean, there's only so many. I'm sorry. And I apologize. I got in me. Yeah. Damn you. Throwing to the deuce. It's over with. Ocho. Ocho walking to bed. Talk about bad. 00:55:39 Speaker 4: Hey. Hey. 00:55:40 Speaker 2: I don't want him to say nothing to me. 00:55:42 Speaker 4: For what? 00:55:43 Speaker 5: That shit phony, huh? Because there's stuff that we don't know. There's a reason he's acting like that. It's more than what we already know. 00:55:51 Speaker 2: Nah, I ain't going. 00:55:52 Speaker 4: We know it. 00:55:54 Speaker 3: I ain't going. Them folks family clothes. 00:55:58 Speaker 2: And everything, I ain't going. I ain't going. I ain't going, Ocho. I ain't going. There's a lot of times, Ocho, you don't build a relationship. 00:56:06 Speaker 4: That's why it's more than what we know. 00:56:09 Speaker 1: Ocho, there's been a lot of stuff that's been going on And there are certain things that you know and she know that don't nobody else know. But I don't give a damn what you know or what I know. I'm only going to apologize so many times. I'm only going to say I'm sorry so many times. 00:56:25 Speaker 2: After that. 00:56:28 Speaker 4: All right. 00:56:29 Speaker 2: Matter of fact, you know what? 00:56:30 Speaker 4: You ain't sorry. You're only sorry because you got caught. 00:56:31 Speaker 1: I'm good. 00:56:32 Speaker 4: Don't speak to me. 00:56:33 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:56:34 Speaker 1: Good. 00:56:34 Speaker 2: I hope you walk out of the house and trip and fall on your glass face too. Bye. 00:56:43 Speaker 1: Joe, since you want to be nasty, take it down. 00:56:53 Speaker 2: Still, they won tonight. 00:56:56 Speaker 1: I don't think PG played tonight because it was a back-to-back, so I don't think PG played and JT played, but they ended up beating the Raptors. 00:57:06 Speaker 2: The Raptors was up like 22 at one point, Joe. They were up 22 points. The Raptors... The Raptors doing it by committee. No Kawhi. 00:57:16 Speaker 3: We don't know how long he going to be out. We know this is him, though. This is what Kawhi does. 00:57:20 Speaker 5: Yes. 00:57:21 Speaker 3: Kawhi say damn that 65 game. 00:57:24 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? I'm going to be 100% when I'm out here. And guess what? When the postseason get here, we're going to have a chance to win. 00:57:30 Speaker 4: Period. 00:57:30 Speaker 2: Point blank. He ain't playing 65 games. Y'all can get that out your head. Yo. 00:57:34 Speaker 4: Huh? 00:57:36 Speaker 2: But guess what? 00:57:37 Speaker 1: You might be being the play-in. And you only get a chance to get to the playoffs.