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Hello, welcome in. I'm Don Finnelli. This is Mutterfly.
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We got three pairs of improvisers. They're all improvising a short scene and
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they are all starting with the exact same two lines that I am secretly messaging
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them right before we start recording.
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So there's no pre-planning. They don't know each other's lines.
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They're hearing them for the first time when you are hearing them.
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And today's lines were submitted by Jared Roberts.
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Thank you, Jared. He emailed over the first two lines of the scene.
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You could do the same thing. If you have two fun lines you'd love to see our
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guests start with, you can send them over to me.
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I'll use them in a future episode. I'll give you a nice shout out.
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You can DM me on Instagram at MutterflyThePod, or you can email the lines like
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Jared Roberts did to MutterflyThePod at gmail.com.
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All right, let's get to it. Our first duo are some of my funny-ass friends from
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my UCB New York days. It's Jen Bartels and George Karaman.
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Jen and I, we were on a sketch team at UCB together. They were called Mod Teams.
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This team was called Gramps, but she was also rocking out Herald Night at the time.
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She was a writer and actress on the sketch comedy series Friends of the People.
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She starred alongside Mina Savari and Alicia Silverstone in the TV series American
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Woman. She was in Better Things and Shrill and the movie Plus One and she's
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been in all sorts of commercials.
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George Karaman. Maybe you've seen him on Broad City, Search Party,
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Last Man on Earth, Single Parents, I Think You Should Leave, Hacks,
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famously part of Long Hair Businessmen, which started as this little kind of
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goof sketch series on Funny or Die, but they just made a fucking movie that
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hopefully will be coming out soon.
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He also has a really funny series called Man Thinkers with past guest Dan Klein.
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George and I, we've also known each other for years. We did a nice slap contest
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on the Chris Getha show many moons ago.
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I have a permanently chipped piece of bone in my elbow because George and I
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were doing this improv show at the Brooklyn Lyceum like 15 years ago,
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and I was at the bottom of like a cheerleading pyramid, and George was like
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kind of climbing on my back, and my elbows slipped out.
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It's never been the same. I get this like ping in my elbow if I touch it,
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and it just feels weird, and I'm always just like, oh, hey, George.
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uh but yes so uh george has hurt me uh in the past uh but he's made me laugh
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a lot more so has jen uh so i see we get to our first mutter with jen bartels and george caraman
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So, which one is yours?
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Actually, the G is silent.
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Oh.
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Yeah. So, it just, it should read, it should read, it's an art piece.
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I've worked on it for a while.
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You've seen me working on it, but it's not Virginia. It's Virginia.
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I see. Is the name of the art piece?
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Yeah. Yeah. It's about the trials of the people living there.
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but the G was getting in the way both creatively and figuratively.
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That's why you'd see me stress smoking outside of the Starbucks.
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But here it is. Yeah, totally. Got it, got it. Okay, interesting.
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So it's an intentional choice to drop the G.
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Yeah, I mean, when you hear Virginia, it's too much. It's aggressive.
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It's assertive. It's the past. But Virginia. That's awesome.
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Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for coming to my art show.
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Yeah, no. No, of course. Of course. I'm a huge art lover, and I saw there was
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a new exhibit, And yeah, I didn't, I didn't realize that Virginia was your,
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was your piece, but I was drawn to it immediately, partly because I was confused, but, um,
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I'm thank you for clearing it up. Yeah.
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What, what would you say? Yeah, go ahead.
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What I was going to say, confusion traps people in a good way at times.
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Mm.
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Yes, I see what you mean. Speak more to that, because I feel like you've I've
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seen in previous, you know, breakdowns of your work that you use like confusion
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is your inspiration. You're often confused.
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Yeah. Well, not personally and not professionally. Mentally at times,
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yes. And so what I do is I incorporate all of that into my art.
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You might
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remember my piece, the baby's sleeping.
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And then when you got closer, it wasn't. The baby was awake and it wasn't a baby.
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Remember? That was my piece from the 80s.
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Yes, absolutely. How could I forget? I mean, that was one of the most famous
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and provocative pieces in confused art history. um i just yeah i i i and for
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me and the babe so it wasn't a human baby correct
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No no no that's too on the nose you know we've seen those babies those babies
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they're still everywhere yeah it's boring you know that's not art right no it
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was a it was a tiny cat that i had found okay
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Got it got it got it cool right and you had shaved it to make it look more human-like
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and that caused controversy
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That caused controversy i was on day one for months pita was up my butt you
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know and i I just said, you know, I'm not doing this. And then that's when I
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retreated. And now here I am again.
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Right. But I just appreciate, you know, we have not seen each other in forever because of high school.
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And when I put out that mass thing on Facebook saying, you know,
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like, I'm an artist. Come see me in the Catskills.
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The fact that you came, Miko, right? Miko?
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Yeah. Miko is my name. Yes. Um, absolutely.
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And it's still, it's still my name and you kind of like brush past because high
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school, but I did want to double click on that.
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Um, just cause a lot did happen in those.
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Yeah. Yeah. Just a lot happened between us in those four years.
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Um, the first of which was you would just, you just were riding me on my name.
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Uh, you did not like that. I was named Miko because you said it should have
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been, it should either be Miko or Nick or Mick, but Miko was not allowed.
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Um, And I want to apologize for that.
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That was before the sense of art took over the lens of who I am.
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But yeah, you know, a young dumber me would say like, yeah, Miko's a dumb,
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like dumber me, younger me would be like, Miko's a dumb name.
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You're so dumb. Right. Right. I remember I would be like, you're so dumb. And then I know.
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No, I remember.
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Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. But now Miko's a cool name. Miko is that's on my that's
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me. You know, I was going through some something.
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No I appreciate you saying that yeah sorry go ahead no
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I just feel like we had some good times that's why I'm happy to see you what
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else do you remember from high school I couldn't have been that bad
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Well no it wasn't I
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mean we did yeah I mean um you were my first kiss
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I don't know if you knew that at the time uh you kind of
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bullied me um incessantly and then I was obsessed with
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you because you were mean to me um and you
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know by senior year we kissed and you said you don't know what
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you're doing and i was like i yeah i'm sorry and then we never that was kind
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of it which which left a scarring impression on me but it was my first kiss
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so i didn't know what i should be doing you know what i mean just to kind of
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in my own defense that's part of the reason why i wanted to come here i didn't
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know what i was doing i wanted to tell you that i'm not actually a bad kisser
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now you know what i mean yeah
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Wow where do you live now that you came all the way to the Catskills to tell me this.
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No, I'm downtown. I'm downtown.
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Downtown Catskill? Catskill downtown? I'm downtown.
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Yeah, I'm in downtown Catskills. It's a great new area. They kind of converted some.
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Oh, Virginia. Nice.
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Oh, that's actually.
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It's actually, it's Virginia.
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Hmm.
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But it's spelled Virginia.
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Well, that's the whole irony of it, you know, is that like, what is a G,
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you know? Is it, is a G a person? Is a G a thing?
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A G is a force that we don't really need because Virginia is no more.
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Well, G, a G is a force, I think. Like it's for speed, right?
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So, you know, how many G's when you go up in an airplane? A G is a force.
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I'm confused. I'm so confused.
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We have a college professor here? Yes.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I teach at downtown state.
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Oh.
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Downtown state.
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Yeah, I teach at downtown state. I teach art history and art future down in, so.
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What's art future? Can you tell me about art future? What does that mean exactly?
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The future of art? Yeah, where it's going, where we think it's going.
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I teach people, how do you see the future?
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And I thought Virginia was a part of that, but I'm a little confused that it's
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pronounced Ver-hin-ya?
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So like Spanish?
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If I can interrupt, and I will. I think that art, I feel like you are in the art pool with me.
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That's your perspective. You
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know what I mean? That's where you're coming from. That's your journey.
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You are there now here and where I'm at. That's where I am. You know, that's where
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We are where we are.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And by the way, this is my friend Miko. We went to high school together and
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he lives out in Catskill. Yeah.
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No, sorry. It's a Miko.
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Man, I don't get it.
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It's just a name you don't have to there's nothing to get in a name you know
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it's not like uh just a name it's greek actually
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You're trying to be art so oh like micopolis is it short you can think about yeah if
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You if you'd like to think that way yeah
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I do and i want to think that way and i will think that way okay wow
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Okay okay you seem like you are
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you in a good mood buddy because you seem like you don't want to be here
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I i am in probably you're probably catching me in the best mood i've ever been
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in in my life. I'm not going to lie. This is me.
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This is me at my best.
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Go ahead.
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Take me to a deli slicer.
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You're a guy who set out to be an artist and then you didn't get any of your work curated
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Or exhibited like this woman.
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And now you're a bitter professor teaching the youth how to hate themselves.
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I've never even drawn a line. I don't do art. I just study it.
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I critique it without having ever done it
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i have the most space from it to be able to observe it are you with me are you
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following i follow i don't know when i see something like virginia or excuse
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me virginia uh you're welcome uh i'm confused you know you know your
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Confusion can go so i'm not appreciating this vibe you know we're part you're
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trying to put out a really beautiful a beautiful celebration of art.
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And then you come in here, grumpy dumpster, and I don't appreciate it.
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And I'm going to go there.
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And this is, you know, Miko, I'm getting a little upset right now because this
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is something I poured my heart into. Yeah.
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I know. Absolutely. And I'm here to support you. I only ask that you don't take
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your emotions out on me like you did in high school.
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And I will also say that this man is confused.
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And as we discussed earlier, the world is confused, but you are not.
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And that is very clear in your work. So I think you're doing everything right.
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Am I supposed to be confused? Is this confused art? Sorry. Is this confusion art?
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Yeah, you hit it on the head. It is confusion art.
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Now what? I am so sorry. I am so sorry. I came in. I thought this was postmodernism.
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I thought this was some sort of futurism.
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It's confusion art. And I apologize. I apologize about that.
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I am so sorry. This is fantastic.
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That's awesome.
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Thank you. Thanks. Thanks. And that's what I want to evoke. And if it takes
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two to four minutes and an angry person to come in, berate me, berate an old friend,
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not understand things, hate their life not even want to be involved or invested
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in what they studied to realize that they like my art then that's why we do
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it you know that's why we do it you've
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Changed me i want to try art now i never wanted to try it until now i want to see
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My thin slice was correct i think actually it's more correct than incorrect is what i would say
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No you were you were pretty off all right
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When i was younger miko kissed me weird go ahead
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Thank you, Jen. Thank you, George. Next up, the amazing, the hilarious Monique Moses and Alex Fernie.
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Fernie, at this point, I think he's a UCB LA icon.
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I mean, amazing performer and teacher, one third of the infamous improv team, Convoy at the UCB LA.
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As a director, he's worked on shows like Children's Hospital,
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Bajillion Dollar Properties, Last
Week Tonight, and The Hot Wives of Las Vegas.
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He's also created pilots for FX, Amazon, Comedy Central, AMC.
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He's appeared on Reno 911, Conan, Comedy Bang Bang, Key and Peele.
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And, you know, goddamn, he's just a really good dude.
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And I haven't told him this, but I've seen him many times coming out of Trader
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Joe's, crossing the street.
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As I sit there at the light, I just dropped my kids off at school.
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I have not once rolled down the damn window to yell hello at him,
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and that's on me, and I want to publicly apologize for that.
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Monique Moses, I love Mo. I mean, she's part of one of my favorite sketch and
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improv teams of all time, Astronomy Club.
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You've heard me rant about their Netflix sketch show being canceled in past
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episodes, but please go check that out if you haven't. She was also the co-head
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writer of a Black Lady sketch show on HBO. She was a writer on the Big Mouth
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spinoff, Human Resources.
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I had the honor of coaching Mo back in the day and always made me crack up.
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And I'm really excited for this one. It's a super fun one.
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Let's get to our second mutter with Alex Fernie and Monique Moses.
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So which one is yours?
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Actually, the G is silent.
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I'll try again. So which one is yours?
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I still hear the G. It's a fully silent G.
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Well, I'm trying my hardest. This is how I talk. This is what the accent sounds
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like. Which one is yours?
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I know, but it's just so hard. I'm a bit of a stickler for these sorts of things.
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You know, God made language for a reason, and I want to make sure that we do it the way he wanted.
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so the g just don't even just forget the letter g exists for a little for just
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for a moment just try one more time eddie
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I don't understand why i can't just be myself there are people out there who
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like who like actresses who are like from from around the way do you know what
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i mean like absolutely you don't have to try to coach me out of sounding the way i normally sound.
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I understand I just don't know
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if it's the fan base you want so what we want to do is just kind of like
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iron out any personality in you we want to make you a blank slate that people
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can project their loves, their concerns their issues onto, that's how you build a star baby
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Whatever,
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I'm thirsty you got any boxed drinks.
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Yeah I got a bunch of boxes but I got to tell you right now,
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okay, this is another thing.
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Never be thirsty in public, all right? Don't say it, don't drink,
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because people don't like that. People don't like to see a woman drink.
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Oh, but I love to be hydrated.
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I know you do. We're going to have to do those gels, I guess,
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that marathon runners do or something like that, because it's just not – you
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want to be a star, right? You want to be a star?
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I do, Eddie. Oh, my God. Ever since I was a little girl, I wanted to be a star.
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Then we got to make you someone that when people look at you,
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they see and feel nothing.
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Hollywood is so harsh.
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It's tough, but that's what the algorithm wants.
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Eddie, when did you stop managing?
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Legally or this way?
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I don't know. It's all new to me. When did you become a manager?
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78, 89, 10 years off when I was upstate. Back in 99, 99 to 2001.
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We all got shaken up in 2001, so I stopped for a little while.
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And then I got back into it in 2021 because people weren't doing it because
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of the pandemic. And I was like, well, I don't mind. I'll go anywhere.
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So you're like an intermittent manager.
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Intermittent manager.
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Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
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And so I've seen all these people come and go. Right. Like I worked with Julia
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Roberts right before Pretty Woman.
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Julia Roberts right before Pretty Woman when she was an attractive teen. Yeah.
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Yeah. I've worked with a lot of attractive teens.
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Wow. Wow.
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Oh, my goodness. I'm a big fan of hers.
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Oh, she was great. She was so, so great. She was the best. Before Pretty Woman,
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she would just be out there and you'd be like, that's an attractive person.
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No matter what you thought or felt, you'd be like, I bet she feels the same
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way. And that's when she took off, right?
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Yeah, I heard her original voice is like froggish.
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You really like
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Coached her out of that.
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And not like what you think of like croaky, not croaky, but her original voice
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was like Michigan J froggish, right? Like, hello, am I married?
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Like, that's what she sounded like.
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Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Wow.
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People don't want that. People don't want that in Mary Riley.
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Wow. Yeah, I want to be a big star.
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You're going to be. We're going to take you all the way to the top.
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So just repeat after me. We want to get some lines down that you just really
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kind of get real comfortable saying, okay? Ready? Try this. Repeat after me.
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Okay.
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That's so funny.
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That's so funny.
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Hmm. So I think you said funny like it was an AU.
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What? No.
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You said it like F-A-U-N-N-Y.
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That's so funny.
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It got worse.
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What?
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The way you're saying it got worse.
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I'm just emphasizing funny because when people say something's funny,
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it's because you're laughing at it.
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So a laugh is in the word. That's so funny.
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That's how you laugh?
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Yeah.
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Huh. Okay, I'm going to jot that down because that's more than we have time
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for today. but that's definitely something we'll take a look at.
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Eddie, it makes me personable.
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No one wants personable. No one wants personable.
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They want the personality of a recently flipped into an Airbnb apartment, right?
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Like gray floors, gray countertops, gray cupboards.
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Wow. Okay.
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Ugh. Ugh.
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This being a public personality thing is so hard.
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It's hard. It's hard. What's your dream project? What's your dream role to play?
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Oh, my God, Eddie. You know, have you ever seen Fried Green Tomatoes?
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Yes.
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Not that. I want a movie just filled with babies.
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Like, it's not a bunch of middle-aged women, but it's like babies and me.
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Like
the animated movie Storks.
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I never saw that I think the way the birds fly Freaked me out.
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And to be fair there were more storks and babies in that movie But there were a lot
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Of babies But it was like babies Or you ever seen the movie Inside Out The emotions,
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I wouldn't want to be in that No.
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I don't remember a single baby in there No
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Just storks like the movie Storks.
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I'm really wracking my brain for a movie with a lot of babies in it And it's
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harder than I can come up with like a movie with two babies.
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Yeah, there's a movie called Look Who's Talking.
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And Look Who's Talking 2 has both. And then Babies Day Out is one baby.
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Yeah, I want a movie just filled the full like field of dreams,
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but for babies. If you baby, it'll come, you know?
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And what would your role? Would you be one of the babies?
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No.
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No.
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That's silly, Eddie. Come on. Take this seriously.
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I am taking this seriously. Very seriously. Oh, God. Awful.
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Take it seriously.
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Knock knock sorry Miss Scamucci we'll need you in like five minutes on set okay
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Of course thank you can I ask you a question have you ever seen fried green
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tomatoes yeah the movie not just the.
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Fruit oh yeah yeah yeah
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If that was filled with babies would you watch it.
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I'm going to be honest with you. I've only seen the fruit. I'm sorry. I lied.
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Well, it still answers the question. If that fried green fruit was still filled
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with babies, would you watch it?
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Absolutely. I mean.
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Yeah, me too.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. If there was a bunch of babies eating fried green tomatoes.
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No, no, no. You're not listening to me. If the fried green tomatoes themselves
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were filled with babies, would you watch it? It's a clear question.
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Uh yeah i think i would that'd be pretty amazing yeah
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I'd watch everyone
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I don't think i could not see it you know what i mean like if yeah if i was
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walking down the street and that that was there i would obviously be looking at that yeah
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Okay i think there's
something to it
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Can i ask why no okay all right well see on set in five minutes
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Eddie, you're so mean to PAs. Why are you so mean to PAs?
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They like it. They wouldn't be a PA if they didn't want that.
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It's like a sex thing for them.
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No way.
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Absolutely.
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Every PA I met has been an absolute grade A pervert.
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That's crazy. Well, I've only met a couple, so I'm going to take your word for
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it. You've been in the business intermittently for so long.
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So long. Absolutely. The ones you have to watch out for are the ones who don't
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read as perverts right away because that means they're pushing it down successfully,
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and that's more dangerous.
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Crazy.
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Okay, so we have five minutes to change your entire personality, voice, and look. So...
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Thanks, Fernie. Thanks, Mo. Last up, we got a blast from the UCB past with Greg
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Tucholescu and a blast into the future with Hilary Ann Matthews.
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I don't know what I'm talking about. But Tucholescu, he was on one of my favorite
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improv teams of all time. They were a Herald team.
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They were called Fwand. Uh, they were very infamous for doing like high energy,
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thematic, aggressive shows. He might not remember this, but he coached me a
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few times when I really sucked at improv.
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That was fun. Uh, writer and executive producer of Adam ruins everything, bad thoughts.
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He was a showrunner forever for drunk history.
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Uh, maybe you've seen him acting in house of lies, playing house, curb your house.
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No curb, your enthusiasm, uh, Kroll show, key and peel, the movie bridesmaids.
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the movie I Love You Men. Ever heard of them?
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Hilary Ann Matthews, actress and phenomenal improviser based here in Los Angeles.
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She's rocking out the prov with Queen George and Sentimental Lady at the UCB in LA.
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Right when I moved to LA, I got a Torco gig in San Francisco at
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Uh, that's where I met Hillary. We met at the airport at like 5 AM.
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We were literally, I think in San Francisco for like, uh, about 24 hours only.
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Um, and either she or someone else had to do a workshop like earlier.
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So that's why
we had to get there early. So we just kind of like hung out in
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San Francisco for most of the day. Walked around, ate, uh, pretty sure it was my first time there.
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Anywho, the show was that night. My memory was the, no students really showed up for this show.
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And then they like also didn't tell us that we were on. So someone like rushed
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back and was like, everyone's waiting for you. And we're like, what? Okay.
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We had a good time on stage. But you know, one of those standard Torco experiences.
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I think we went to a weed shop after, had to drive and stay at a budget motel
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in Oakland to take another 5 a.m. flight or something the next day.
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Anywho, maybe you've seen Hillary on Ghosts, Abbott Elementary.
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She was recurring on Modern Family and Future Man. She was a regular on Alex Inc.
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So let's get to our final mutter. It's with Greg Tucholescu and Hilary Ann Matthews.
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So which one is yours?
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Actually, the G is silent.
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Oh, okay. Interesting.
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That's so, wow. Yeah, I see. Yeah. That's the title of the art piece.
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Actually, the G is silent.
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Yes, that is correct.
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Wow. Yeah. Oh my God. So many.
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Sorry. What an embarrassing thing to say.
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You see that it's a capital, it's a capital letter G.
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Yes.
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And the title of the piece is the G is silent.
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Yeah. And I can't help, I mean, obviously it's the, if you're,
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if you're standing far away from it, as I first was when I entered the gallery,
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it, it does just look like a kind of textured capital letter G.
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But then as you get closer to it, I now see that there are, it is like the formation
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of a woman or women, like their body parts and faces within the G.
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I'm so glad you noticed that, Vivian. Yeah. I'm so glad you noticed.
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You were the person that I really wanted to impress the most.
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Oh, seriously?
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And you saw what I wanted you to see.
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Oh, that's so nice. I mean, I've only been in the class for two years longer
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than you, you know, so it's not like I'm any kind of professional or anything. but that means a lot.
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Well, I, I, I respect you. I, you know, I, I
follow your sub stack and,
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uh, I, I'm, I'm nervous. Listen to me. I'm, I'm nervous.
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So you saw, uh, you, you've noticed the women, you've noticed the,
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did you notice the nail polish on this, the disembodied arms there?
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Oh yeah. I see that. I see that. Yeah.
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And the feet are multicolored.
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Yes yes so that's
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so the g is silent so it's well what
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i mean what i'm getting as if you were again you you tell me what your headspace
00:26:14.634 --> 00:26:21.414
was when you were um creating it but it seems like you are making a statement
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about the plight of the female in society that's right and kind of also
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about even women of color and and in the multi-colored feet a
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Hundred a hundred percent correct
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You you
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Hit the proverbial nail yeah
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And so can i just say that yeah wow thank you i mean and and so also as as a
00:26:49.314 --> 00:26:54.354
viewer again not anything about you know your intention or headspace when
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kind of creating but um i am left as a woman looking at it with a kind of a dual experience of
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Going, oh my gosh, so wow, allyship, you know?
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And then also, yeah, which I think, yeah, would be probably the intention,
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but also kind of a suspicion, a concern,
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just even if it's a question of, is this person a threat, a wolf in sheep's clothing?
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Oh, goodness, no. You know what, the first part of that statement,
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I was about to pull out my journal and start journaling because I was so happy.
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That's what the wolf would do.
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As you got into the second part of that statement, I got very nervous.
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Yeah, me too. I'm also nervous right now.
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Yeah. Wow. I do not want to come across as a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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That's the thing. The wolf wouldn't want to. The wolf wants to seem like a sheep.
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That's the point of the costume.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I could see that. um well you know i just want you to make
00:28:03.113 --> 00:28:09.213
sure you're uh seeing everything in this painting because it's not just feet and hands um you
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Know no i see the dodgers emblem in the lower left
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Yep yes thank you thank you very much i wanted to make sure you saw that yeah
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Well so but tell me i mean because again that's just my reaction as the audience
00:28:24.153 --> 00:28:31.553
as the viewer so what where what inspired you what was what was up for you when in during the process
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Well you know i was uh i was
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raised by women um uh two
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women um my moms and uh
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you know they uh they they were they
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were in a turbulent relationship let's just say that oh wow you know and i uh
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i feel like i got to know a lot about women and I just wanted to make sure that
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I put you know my experience as
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a man, I suppose, into...
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Why do you say you suppose?
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Well, do we... I mean, these are sort of labels that we put on ourselves and
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that we look forward to, but do we all... Do we really know?
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Do any of us really know?
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Nah.
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Do we?
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Nah.
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I don't think so.
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Me neither. Yeah.
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I don't think so. So I wanted to, you know, the G is silent.
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I just wanted to, I was attempting to make a statement about the female experience
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in our culture. And I just wanted it.
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I was hoping to get closer to more women in my life by doing it.
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Oh, gosh. It's so this is this is honestly this piece is incredible because I feel like I am too.
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I mean, it's like I'm a whole and I'm being ripped apart into I cannot figure out how I feel about it.
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I am like, that is beautiful. You wanted to get closer to women in your life
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that you're trying to speak to the female experience. That's gorgeous.
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And then the other side is saying, danger, danger, we you mayday.
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This person is coming for you and all that you hold dear and and is doing it in an insidious way.
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By saying all the right things, quotation marks, right things.
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But it's it's sinister, you know?
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Yeah. You know what? I want to thank you. For being so honest and open with me.
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You're welcome.
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I really want to thank you.
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Well, what's the point in UCLA extension class of art as adults,
00:31:06.195 --> 00:31:07.935
if we're not being honest with each other?
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I fully agree. I fully agree. And, you know, we were only allowed to bring one piece to this exhibit.
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But this is actually part of a triptych that I did.
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And the other two pieces are at my place. And I'm within walking distance.
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I don't know what you're doing. Thank you.
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After, um, I was just, you know what? I'm sorry.
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And I'm being so soft. I didn't even, we haven't even looked,
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walked over to your piece.
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Oh, okay. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. Yeah. Um, let's just put a pin in whether or
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not I'm going to go with you to a second location.
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Um, but then, but yeah, so this is, this is mine. As you can see,
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um, it is a Lisa Frank dolphin.
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Wow.
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Yeah. Wow. it's
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A very good copy
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Thank you and it's a so
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i have heard that there's been um like
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a re-examination of lisa frank recently and
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this is in snippets of um comments
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that i've seen in tiktok videos of people
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saying oh she's bad um
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and i have so i kind of very intentionally didn't look into that at all and
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then just drew this um and so it's kind of a comment on our heroes and childhood
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and nostalgia um and um ignorance i'm gonna be truthful
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I'll be truthful right now i don't know who lisa frank is um i just said it
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was a copy because uh it looks stenciled to me
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And thank you to all my guests. Follow Jen Bartels at TheJenBartels on Instagram.
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Check out George Karaman. He's on Hacks. Be on the lookout for Long-Haired Businessman, The Movie.
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That's hopefully coming out
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soon. You can check George on the Instagram as well, at George Karaman.
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Go see Alex Fernie perform with
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Convoy every month at UCB LA and Wildly Appropriate with his wife and kid.
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It's a show for all ages at UCB, and it's for the kiddos with the kiddos.
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and he'll be directing the greatest treasure in the world. So go support that.
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Monique Moses performs at ASCAT in Los Angeles. Astronomy Club will be at the
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Del Close Marathon this year and the Chicago Improv Festival.
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Hilary Ann Matthews, she's on Instagram. And as she says, she rarely posts,
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but go follow her, Hilary Ann Matthews, to see when she does.
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And you can see her at the UCB in LA in Friday Fix with Queen George and Sentimental Lady.
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Greg Chukulescu, he also does not post on Instagram, but go follow him anyway, at Tukalescu.
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Thank you to Seth and Newt for the music and art.
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Thanks to Jared Roberts for submitting today's first two lines.
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If you want to submit your own first two lines to be used in a future episode,
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just like Jared Roberts did, DM me at MutterflyThePod on Instagram or email
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MutterflyThePod at gmail.com.
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We're back next Thursday for an all-new episode of Mutterfly. I am Don Finnelli.