Jakson Scientists Recorded 20+ Objects Around the Moon. Their Explanation Is Wild. täydellinen litterointi

(03:01) This morning. Android (03:01) fifteen. Yeah. Neo (03:02) Mm-hmm, Android (03:03) Yeah, the sanctum, you know, eight thousand pieces. Neo (03:03) Yeah. Yeah. Android (03:05) I was up at s little little bit before six. I got it done about fifteen Emma G (03:05) Yeah. my gosh. Neo (03:08) Yeah. Android (03:09) minutes ago. Neo (03:09) Before we get into today's true report, I do want to catch up on a lot of things that have happened in a hundred and four days. It was June 5th, was our last recording, our last episode. And apparently while we were gone, The government spent its summer finding new ways to talk about UFOs. So we now have more UFO files. We have more UFO investigations. We have more UFO legislation. We have more UFO scientists and more protected places to report UFO secrets. So I thought it would be fun. Since June 5th, I put together a quick list of what has actually happened in the UFO universe since that day. And a lot has happened. So on June 12th, the government released another batch of UFO files. So we were up to two batches at release by the time we took our break. And the Android (03:58) Right, right. Neo (03:59) third one, they released the third collection of records through the new government program, for those of you who don't know, called Pursue. the presidential unsealing and reporting system for UAP encounters. And the documents Emma G (04:09) Mm-hmm. Neo (04:10) included reports of glowing orbs, a disc hovering near an airport in Zimbabwe, and an unusual object observed by military personnel near Colorado Springs. Some of the cases remain unresolved, but they say unresolved does not automatically mean alien. So it means Emma G (04:27) Mm. Neo (04:27) the government says it does not currently have enough information to explain them. And that was only the beginning. So more releases followed in July and August. As we know. In mid June, the White House created a UAP Science Advisory Council. This one I love because it is the White House, which assembled the group of outside scientists to study UAPs and advise the government. The council is chaired by my favorite guy, Harvard astrophysicist Avi Loeb, and he's supposed to work with Aero and the intelligence community and the FBI. And the goal is to bring more scientific analysis into the subject, examine government records, and eventually publish research that can be evaluated by other scientists. Emma G (05:15) Mm. Neo (05:15) It's potentially important because we have Emma G (05:17) Yeah, I like that. Neo (05:18) spent years asking scientists to take UFOs seriously. Emma G (05:22) Mm-hmm. Neo (05:22) And now the government has created a group of scientists specifically to take UFOs seriously. of course we're gonna have to wait and see what they actually find. And of course, for those of you who don't know Emma G (05:29) Nice. Yeah. Neo (05:31) who Avi Loeb is, he's the guy who really built up the myth around three eye

atlas, that comet Android (05:36) Mm hmm. Neo (05:37) that came flying through, and he said it was a mothership and we have to really take it seriously, and Emma G (05:38) okay. Right. Android (05:37) Mm hmm. Yeah. All Neo (05:41) all this that that that's right. Yeah, right. Yeah. But right. Android (05:41) his misquotes, you mean all the times they misquoted him? Yeah, that guy, right. Because he never said it's an alien spaceship. He he just said there's something out there. But everybody's like, It's a mothership, they're coming, it's the time, it's the end of the world. Yeah. Emma G (05:49) There's it Android (05:54) Okay. Emma G (05:54) looked weird. I don't know. It looked like one. Neo (05:56) just wanna point out the fact that he is heading up this new UAP Science Advisory Council. Android (06:00) Right. Wait, so we're supposed to like I haven't just a qu we're supposed to believe what our government's gonna tell us about UFOs. Yeah. Neo (06:09) Well, we're gonna get into all of that. I know that. And through the season we'll Android (06:09) Yeah. Neo (06:12) be talking about a lot of this stuff. Cause a lot that and this is the point of bringing up all this entire list of everything that's going on. in July, Arrow revealed a massive UAP incident off the coast of Virginia. it's the latest report that Arrow put out said the Navy reported approximately one hundred unidentified airborne objects and two likely unmanned objects operating on the surface of the water near the Virginia coast. Arrow says it it is actively investigating the event with the Navy unit that reported it. And the same annual report said Arrow received 319 new UAP reports during the reporting period. It Emma G (06:48) Mm-hmm. Neo (06:48) resolved 114 of them as things including balloons, birds, satellites, aircraft, drones, a rocket launch, and one man wearing a jetpack. So apparently, somewhere between the alien invasion and a Android (06:59) Is that James Bond? Neo (07:00) flock of birds, yeah, there's this one guy. Emma G (07:01) It was me. It was me. Neo (07:05) There's always one guy. Emma G (07:07) There's always one. Yeah. Neo (07:09) There's always one guy in a jetpack. Android (07:10) Okay, I'm gonna confess it was me. Emma G (07:12) We It was I had made that Neo (07:13) Yeah. Android (07:13) Yep. Emma G (07:13) joke already, Android (07:15) What? Neo (07:15) also in July, the House advanced another UAP disclosure proposal. So the House adopted Congressman Eric Burleson's UAP Disclosure Act as an amendment during work on the twenty twenty-seven defense bill. Now the proposal would require federal agencies to identify, preserve, and transfer qualifying UAP records. Into a permanent collection of the National Archives. That does not mean it is finished law. It still has to survive the rest of the congressional process, but it's another attempt to stop UFO records from disappearing inside different agencies filing systems and classification programs. I guess that that has been happening. So we may not know what the government Emma G (07:53) I like that. Neo (07:54) has, but Congress would at least like the government to stop losing track. Emma G (07:59) They're Neo (07:58) Of where they're putting these files. Emma G (08:00) like, for the love of God, keep track of your documents. Neo (08:02) Yeah. Android (08:02) put those there were those special files. Neo (08:05) And Android (08:05) What did I do? Neo (08:05) where did I put that that alien encounter Emma G (08:07) Mm. Android (08:08) Wait a second. Hold on. This is this is my Neo (08:08) that we had? Yeah. Android (08:10) shopping list. Hold on, it's here somewhere. Let me just keep looking. Emma G (08:13) I Neo (08:12) Right. This this happens. Emma G (08:13) swear it's here. Neo (08:14) August seventh, the fifth government UFO file release arrived. Forty-one additional files that were collected from the Pentagon, the FBI, the CIA, State Department, and Executive Office of the President. Android (08:24) Right. Hmm. Neo (08:26) Yeah, but one report described approximately 25 cold objects moving over the Gulf of Oman at estimated speeds ranging from 250 to 1300 miles per hour. And they reportedly moved in formations. They maneuvered aggressively. They appeared to react when an American gunship fired its cannon during an exercise. Another witness, Android (08:45) warming? Neo (08:45) a former military pilot, described seeing something enormous and triangular pass silently over Bagram air field in Afghanistan in 2002. And he estimated that it could have been approximately 500 feet across. Emma G (08:59) Hm. season three means Andrew is now raising his hand. Neo (09:02) Wait, you're raising your hand? you have a question? Yeah, what's your question? Android (09:05) I have a question. Would they would you call that all those ships moving so fast a swarm? Neo (09:10) no, that's not a swarm. That would've been we would have they would have said it was a swarm. Emma G (09:14) Yeah. Android (09:14) But what's Okay, so they would have said there was a s right. See that's where I kinda Neo (09:15) You ha you you have to go by what they say. You have to go by what they say. Mm-hmm. Emma G (09:19) Ha ha. Android (09:21) go Neo (09:21) Yeah. Android (09:21) 'cause Neo (09:21) Uhhuh. All Android (09:23) I would call Neo (09:23) right. Android (09:24) that a swarm. Neo (09:24) You know what? Maybe you'll understand it better when we get through the actual re true report we're going to talk about today, Android (09:30) I'm excited 'cause I've done no research or anything. So this is gonna be great. Yeah. Neo (09:30) which covers the swarm. Okay. It's very cool. Emma G (09:33) Mm-hmm. Neo (09:35) Here's the other thing that's interesting. In September, we're almost done. The Pentagon went shopping for old UFO files. Have you heard about this? Arrow began

pursuing access to a massive privately held archive containing decades of UFO investigations. Android (09:48) To T J Maxx? Neo (09:49) it would be funny. It turns out TJ Maxx does have the files. but what's ex i interesting here to your they got these files, material a lot of them from APRO, the Aerial Phenomenon Research Organization. And we know APRO because some of the strangest stories that we have covered came out of those files. The government is especially interested in those records from before nineteen ninety. as it's going to attempt to reconstruct what different agencies knew about UFOs going back to 1945. So the Pentagon Emma G (10:17) Mm. Neo (10:18) is now collecting old UFO reports while we are still waiting for it to explain the new ones. And that's not, it's not necessarily a bad thing. So, because the historical records are going to help help researchers recognize patterns or solve cases. I mean, it's kind of like the FBI when they started, you know, understanding profiling serial murderers. Android (10:38) I'm gonna say that the Emma G (10:38) Okay. Neo (10:38) that's what they're talking. Android (10:39) government has been watching our show because isn't that what we do? We research Neo (10:44) That's we do. Android (10:44) old UFO files. Neo (10:46) Do you think they're in Emma G (10:47) Mm. Neo (10:47) meetings going be more like mostly true alien stories, everyone today? Emma G (10:50) Yeah. Android (10:50) I think they are. I think they are. They're like, Neo (10:52) Yeah. Android (10:53) you gotta be like that guy Neal. We need a Neal, we need an Andrew, and we need a Lemon. We need three Neo (10:57) Yeah. Mm-hmm. Android (10:58) people on this committee. Should we call them? No, no, don't call them. Emma G (11:00) Yeah. Neo (11:00) Wouldn't be like our our our doppelgangers are sitting in an office together? Emma G (11:03) Mm. Android (11:04) Our clones Neo (11:04) No. Android (11:05) are sitting in an office somewhere Neo (11:06) my god. Okay. And Android (11:07) underneath the Pentagon. Neo (11:10) and finally, September 14th, the Pentagon created another protected path for insiders to talk. they issued a targeted legal waiver allowing certain current and former military personnel, civilian employees, and defense contractors To provide classified UAP information directly to authorized pursue representatives. A waiver can override civil and administrative restrictions in certain non-disclosure and special access agreements, but only when the information is given through that authorized channel. Emma G (11:39) Yeah, I don't like it. I don't I don't like it. Neo (11:41) doesn't mean that they can go on talk shows and do all of that stuff. employees have to tell the government the secrets that they knew. Android (11:47) Well, I'm t I Neo (11:47) That they learned while working for the government. Android (11:49) I I'm gonna say this. If Heraldo comes back with a show, I'm going on his show. Emma G (11:53) Who's a Rollo? Android (11:54) Geraldo Rivera. Neo (11:55) an Emma G (11:56) what Android (11:56) my gosh. Neo (11:56) no. Android (11:56) no, here we go. Lost her. Lost her. Neo (11:56) Lemon. Holy shit. Emma G (11:59) Well who is he? Neo (12:00) yeah, Geraldo is was the investig journalist, investigative journalist of his time. He was the more sensational guy. Emma G (12:07) Mm. Neo (12:08) He would go down and do things live Android (12:10) he went and found Al Capone's secret vault and he was gonna open it live. And then he opens it and there's nothing inside. Neo (12:17) Yeah. what has all of this done for us? that's all that has happened over the 100 to four days since we were away. But here's the interesting contrast: a Gallup poll released in August found that 78% of Americans believe the government knows more about UFOs than it is telling the public. At the same time, only 37% believe at least some UFO sightings are alien spacecraft. And forty-nine percent believe they can all be explained by human activity or natural phenomena. So people overwhelmingly believe the government is withholding something, but they aren't convinced that the something is aliens. Okay, so we have more Emma G (12:54) Hmm. Neo (12:54) files, we have more offices, we have more scientists, we have more laws being pro proposed, and we definitely have more claims. But since we last sat here on June fifth, has anyone actually proven or shown us compelling new evidence? That aliens exist. Emma G (13:10) Thought on Neo (13:12) Go ahead. Emma G (13:12) I feel this way, even in ghost hunting. I really do feel like we have a lot of evidence. We have there's so many stories, there's countless stories, there's video evidence, there's pictures, there's personal experiences. And I just think that people really struggle to believe in general, whether they unless they have their own personal experience. So the government. 'Cause to Andrew's point, he's like, Are we supposed to believe in the government? To Andrew's point, they could come out and say aliens are real and we see them and then everyone's gonna go, It's a distraction. It's not real. They're not real. I just I don't know. That I think we just will go in circles forever until you see one yourself. Neo (13:56) That's good point. But do you see do you think people more people believe in ghosts than they do in aliens? Or do you think more people have seen ghosts than they have seen aliens? Emma G (14:04) think so. I well Neo (14:05) What? Emma G (14:06) there are people that will say even though I've never seen an alien I can stats statistically believe that with the the vastness of our universe that they're probably they probably exist. So there's those people versus you know people who are like I've never seen a ghost it's not real. I don't think that that's a thing. So I I kind of feel like more people I don't know I don't know Maybe I kinda feel

like more people believe in aliens. Neo (14:31) It's a tough question. Emma G (14:32) It is a hard question. Yeah. Neo (14:34) Andrew, your thoughts? Android (14:34) well, I have experienced ghosts or some sort of spirit moving a car across the floor, so I've seen that. so I I believe in that part of the supernatural as far as ghosts existing. Yes, I believe in that. As you well know, I do not believe that aliens exist. They don't. I have theories Neo (14:51) I don't understand it. Android (14:52) on it. We've talked about it in past episodes. So those of you who are new watching, go back and watch past episodes to hear my thoughts on that. Neo (14:59) All right. Well, that brings us to the moon. If you didn't believe in anything by this point, Andrew, let's see if you can believe any of this. Android (15:06) In the moon? I believe in the moon. Of course I see it. Neo (15:09) yeah, I know, I know, but what these guys are talking about is happening on the moon. Let's see if you believe. Android (15:13) yeah, no, it's it's really cool. Neo (15:15) because these scientists in today's story are not asking whether the objects they found are UFOs. They believe they are. Their question is, what are all of them Android (15:23) Right. Neo (15:25) doing around the moon? All right, let's get into the report. A team of Ukrainian scientists say it recorded more than 20 UFOs near and over the moon. They say some of the objects are hanging around it, others appear to be traveling across it, some flash together, some appear to be shaped like giant discs, and others appear to be enormous rotating rings. And after analyzing all of this, the researchers say the UFOs people see around Earth may be coming from a base up on the moon. And they say some could get from the moon to Earth in about 20 minutes. Did these scientists record a UFO swarm operating around a moon base, or did they record something strange and then give it a much more otherworldly explanation? before we get into what they found. I I think we obviously we should meet the team of of these scientists. The lead scientist is Dr. Boris Zhiliev. He is not a social media UFO guy who bought a telescope last Tuesday. He is a doctor of science and the head of the laboratory for transient phenomena in stars at Ukraine's main astronomical observatory. Emma G (16:32) Mm. Neo (16:33) Pretty legit. I had to learn what the transient phenomenon means. it basically means things in the sky that appear to change or disappear quickly. So if something strange flashes across the sky for only a fraction of a second, this is the kind of scientist whose job it is to figure how to catch it. The other two researchers are Vladimir Petukov. He's a lead engineer at the observatory, and a junior researcher in the same laboratory. These guys study stars, flashes of light, meteors, and other things that happen so quickly, most cameras would miss them. They have spent several years pointing high-speed cameras at the sky and reporting objects they cannot explain. They have reported strange objects over Kiev, New York, San Diego, and even the war zone in Ukraine. So their work got attention because. These were actual observatory scientists saying, Hey, we're seeing UFOs. We're recording these things. Emma G (17:21) I'm so excited about this because I just feel like it I it finally there are scientists who are just coming out and saying it, not just shying away from the fact, okay, we see something that's unidentified. They're coming out and just stating, and I think that there's it's a really cool way of approaching research. I feel like everybody approaches research they're they're like, No, no, we're not gonna declare that and then it gets so skewed, but if they come at it head on Android (17:52) Right. And I and Neo (17:52) Yeah. Well let's hope you let's hope you still have that same perception Android (17:56) Yeah. Neo (17:56) of them when we get through this report. Emma G (17:58) Okay. Android (17:58) Yeah, I think that when you when you dig into their research, you really have to go at it with a completely open mind. You can't go at Emma G (18:05) Mm. Android (18:06) it like when I when I do the research, I do not go into the research saying, I'm gonna prove this is wrong. Emma G (18:12) Right. huh. Android (18:13) I go into the research saying, Prove to me it's right. I wanna see Emma G (18:17) Yeah. Android (18:18) the research. I Neo (18:18) Right. Android (18:19) wanna see and be able to compare it to what other people have said. So Emma G (18:21) Mm-hmm. Neo (18:22) Well, let's see if Emma G (18:22) Mm-hmm. Neo (18:23) it still is compelling to you guys as we get through this. And I'm interested. I can't wait to hear what you have found as well, Andrew. All this whole thing though has created problems for them. Other scientists immediately have challenged the way they calculated how far away f s some of the earlier objects were. And if you get the distance wrong, you can make a small nearby object look like it's a gigantic object traveling at an impossible speed. Even their own observatory reportedly said some of the team's earlier conclusions moved too quickly and contained major distance problems. So we're gonna get into Emma G (18:57) Wait, Neo (18:57) that. Emma G (18:57) so you're saying that if they're looking at the moon or something like that, it could be a bug that's flying by the camera, Neo (19:06) Yes. Yes. Exactly. Emma G (19:06) essentially. Right. the telescope. Android (19:06) Or the telescope. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. So Emma G (19:09) Okay. Android (19:09) it it makes a drastic change. So if you're saying this thing is and I'm gonna get into it in my in my part of the report, so let's just wait, Emma G (19:15) Mm, mm, Neo (19:17) Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Android (19:17) but I'll give you a breakdown of Emma G (19:17) mm, okay. Android (19:18) what it means.

And the size sick the the size change is huge. Neo (19:23) let me just preface this too. What we just mentioned is it doesn't mean that they're they're lying. They're not they're not, I don't feel like and I'm gonna say this up front. This group is going out and going, Hey, let's make up shit. I I think that they're they're basing it on their science and their observations, and they Android (19:38) And what they recorded. Neo (19:39) they obviously And they obviously know the distance and and the science of that. And they obviously know that they're not trying to fool anybody. And that's what keeps me this is what makes it compelling for me is okay, they obviously know that they're gonna get challenged on this. Why do they think that it's not what they're being challenged against? So it it doesn't mean every object they recorded has been explained, but it does explain why people challenge their work and why Dr. Gilia's worries that people Will laugh before they even look at so they've turned the cameras toward the moon. obviously they've been looking all over these the world, but now they're looking at the moon, and this claim gets really bigger. In in August and September 2025, the team recorded the moon from a village south of Kiev. They used something called an Intez Alter M603 telescope. It's connected to an ASI 294 Pro camera. I no idea. What that technology is, Android (20:37) Advanced. It's advanced and expensive. No. No. And they're not Neo (20:40) They're not using their cell phone cameras. Yeah. Emma G (20:41) Ha ha ha. Android (20:43) using a quick shot cam or anything like that, so Neo (20:46) That's right. So so what but what I have learned is that it's not regular video camera. The setup was designed to gather a lot of light and take 20 images every second. That's a lot, which allows it to catch very faint things moving or flashing too quickly for our own eyes or a normal camera to see. They also say they corrected for problems inside the camera, uneven lighting and pixels that may not be reading the image properly. then they analyzed the recordings on a computer and enhanced the contrast so they could see the faint objects of what they shot on the camera. And Emma G (21:20) Mm. Neo (21:20) when they went through the footage, they counted more than 20 objects. Emma G (21:24) Whoa. Neo (21:25) but s Android (21:25) Swarm. Neo (21:26) there's your swarm. Some appeared as tiny lights around the moon. Some appeared to stay in the same place while the telescope followed the moon. And some appeared to move across the moon itself. the researchers divide what they saw into two groups. They call one group atmospheric, these appear to hover or stay in place around the moon. The second group is continental. They appear to travel across a visible surface. and the word continental to them already assumes the objects are really up there at the moon. And that is important. I mentioned that because I know Andrew's going to get into this. Here's why the scientists believe what they recorded may be more than random dots. The first reason is the number of objects. They did not find one strange dot in one frame. They counted more than 20 objects across the recordings. they say they saw different types behaving in different ways, some staying near the moon and others moving across it. To the team, this does not look like one accidental object passing in front of the telescope. It looks like activity. Or traffic or Andrew. Android (22:27) A swarm. Neo (22:28) Yeah. When I point to you, Emma G (22:28) Mm. Mm-hmm. Android (22:30) A swarm. Neo (22:31) yeah. You say swarm. Emma G (22:32) Ha ha ha. Android (22:34) That's warm. Neo (22:35) Yes. All right. The second reason is no, it doesn't work. You can't do it. Yeah. You can't do a lemon. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Android (22:41) Stop it, lemon. Neo (22:42) Yeah. Android (22:43) Try it again, lemon go. Neo (22:43) This Android (22:44) Try. No. Swarm. Neo (22:48) Yeah, see, see how works. Okay. All right. The second reason is the flashing. The researchers measured some objects getting brighter and dimmer several times every second. they use a word called harmonics. I I knew harmonics as a music word, but in this research it means the flashing appears to Android (23:06) they're flashing. Neo (23:07) have a repeating bass rhythm with other related rhythms inside it. That's like they're Emma G (23:12) Whoa Neo (23:13) like they're communicating. Emma G (23:15) Ooh, Neo (23:16) Now, the Emma G (23:16) Yeah. Neo (23:16) really weird part is is that they say two objects far apart from each other, if they are actually at this the moon, appear to change brightness together. The scientists believe that kind of synchronized flashing may point to coordination, possibly communication. Emma G (23:34) Cool. I like it. Neo (23:36) This is not just a we saw dots thing. They get into it that their argument is we saw multiple objects, and some of them appeared to pulse together, maybe communicating. And this is one reason they believe the behavior may be intelligent. The third reason is the size. There it is is where their claim gets crazy to me. The researchers estimate that some of the smaller objects would be roughly a quarter of a mile to a little more than a mile. Then there are the objects they believe are moving across the moon. They estimate some of the disk shaped objects could be between fifteen and twenty five miles wide. Twenty five miles. Emma G (24:16) And they said, I mean, how fast did they say it was moving? Android (24:19) They're moving at a kilometer per second. So one kilometer per second is equivalent to 2,236 miles per hour. Emma G (24:30) so th something that's fifteen to twenty five miles lo long is moving that fast. That's insane Android (24:36) Yeah. Mm. Mm. Mm-hmm. Neo (24:37) Yeah, yeah. And that's that's Emma G (24:39) that's insane. Neo (24:39) the size of

Manhattan. That would be like Manhattan going past us at two thousand miles per second. Emma G (24:43) Shoo Neo (24:44) All right. And then they found the rings. The scientific word is. Toroidal. It means shaped like a ring or a donut. The researchers believe some of these giant Android (24:54) Love donuts. Neo (24:55) spaced Did I just make you hungry, Andrew? Did I just make you hungry? Android (24:58) I am s I'll be you what? I'll be right back. Emma G (25:01) A toroidal. Neo (25:01) Where are you going? Where are you going? Android (25:03) Going to get a donut. After I'm done here, guys, I'm going to the Toroidal shop. Neo (25:08) If we ever open up a Mostly True Alien Stories cafe, we are definitely selling toroidals. Yes, toroidals. Toroidals. Can Android (25:12) Calling it to Tor yeah, for sure. For sure. Emma G (25:13) Good roidals. Neo (25:16) I get a dozen toroidals, please? Yes, you can. I'll take the twenty five thousand Android (25:18) Sure, sir. Which ones would you like? I'd like two powdered. Neo (25:22) mile per hour toroidal. I'll take the yeah. Can I get the twenty Android (25:25) That's the powdered with t blueberry jelly filling. That's it, that one? Okay. Neo (25:29) five mile wide Emma G (25:31) Mm-hmm. Neo (25:31) toroidal? Okay. Android (25:32) Sure, sir. If you keep eating these, you're gonna be 25,000 miles wide. Neo (25:36) All right. Well, the the researchers believe some of these giant space donuts may be about twenty-two miles across, and they're moving at as fast as almost seven miles Emma G (25:48) Wow. Neo (25:48) every second. So that's 25,000 miles per hour. So all different ranges between these, different sizes, different, they're communicating, all kinds of things. One of the rings appears to rotate, and the team believes Android (25:59) So Neo (25:59) that the rotation could be creating artificial gravity inside it. Emma G (26:04) Mm. Android (26:04) Isn't the isn't the moon two hundred and thirty eight thousand miles away or something, they said, right? Neo (26:09) think so. Android (26:09) Let me look that up. Emma G (26:10) The moon? Android (26:10) I wanna the how far is the moon from the earth? I just wanna know. I I'd just like to know that Neo (26:13) Is it two hundred and thirty Android (26:14) because Neo (26:14) eight thousand? Emma G (26:15) Two hundred and thirty eight thousand eight hundred am I saying that's right. Two hundred two hundred and forty thousand miles away. Two three eighty-four kilometers. Android (26:20) Let's just say 240,000 miles from Earth. Right. So if that thing's traveling at twenty thousand, Neo (26:21) my god. Android (26:27) twenty-five thousand miles per hour, they could be here in ten minutes. Neo (26:30) Twenty. They said twenty, scientists. Android (26:32) Yeah. Well I guess it depends on which ship. Right. No. Neo (26:35) That's right. They wouldn't send the big one. They'd send the smaller ones, probably move faster, less fuel. Yeah. Android (26:40) Right, right. Yeah. Emma G (26:42) It says Android (26:43) 'Cause they could carry a lot of Emma G (26:43) that light Android (26:44) toroidals on that ship, that big ship. Emma G (26:45) light takes 1.3 seconds to get here from the moon. cool. Android (26:50) Cool. Okay. Neo (26:51) All right. So one of the rings, as I mentioned, appeared to rotate. They it it creates artificial gravity. they're talking about something large enough to be a station, Emma G (26:59) Mm-hmm. Neo (26:59) At least that's how they're interpreting it, right? Okay, so They own this. They say UFOs they observe on Earth and in near Earth space are traveling to the moon, where there is a base for them. And they believe the same types of objects are showing up in both places. And based on the speeds they calculated, they say some could travel from the moon to Earth in about 20 minutes, as Andrew mentioned. That is how they connect the strange objects people report here to what they believe they are seeing. Up there. Earth is Emma G (27:28) Yeah. Neo (27:28) where the UFOs appear. The moon is where they may be coming from. So that is the report. More than 20 objects, synchronized flashing, giant discs, rotating rings, UFOs they believe are traveling between Earth and a base on the moon. Is this team credible? That's one question. Could there be a base on the moon? That's number two. And more importantly, is this a mostly true alien story? We're gonna weigh in shortly, but first I will hand it off to Andrew, who will fill in some details, and then the three of us will decide if this is a mostly true alien story or not. Andrew, I've waited 105 days to hear you talk about these stories. Let's hear what you had to say about this. Android (28:10) Okay, so I need to use my favorite word. The swarm. Emma G (28:15) Mm-hmm. Android (28:16) when Neal talked to me about this episode, I was really excited because I had kind of seen, you know, videos and stuff that come across my feed, but Neo (28:22) Yeah. Android (28:22) then he shared with me that he actually spoke to the scientists and, you know, emailed them and got all their research. And I was like, whoa, Neo (28:28) Yeah. Android (28:28) you gotta send me that. So Neo (28:30) That's the cool part about this. I Android (28:32) that's the coolest part of it, Neo (28:32) feel connected to these guys. Android (28:33) is that Emma G (28:33) Yeah, it's so cool. Android (28:34) We're we're connected to these guys. So, guys, thank you so much. I hope that you're listening. Emma G (28:37) Thank you. Android (28:38) And if you're not, please do. Neo (28:39) Don't be mad. Don't be mad at Andrew. Android (28:42) don't be mad at me if I bash it. Neal Brought up, and I'm just gonna I'm gonna bring in some points that he did so that we can stay moving on this thing. So Neo (28:49) Yeah. Yeah. Android (28:50) they reported more than 20

small objects, and they're saying apparent velocities as high as 32 kilometers per second. Neo (28:59) is how's that how's that translate to English? Kilometers. Lemon. Lemon could look it up. Android (29:02) well if one I mean, let me you can do the math. If one if one kilometer Emma G (29:05) It it's Android (29:07) per second equals two thousand equals let's just say two thousand, then thirty two kilometers per second times twenty two thousand is like sixty four thousand miles Neo (29:15) Sixty four thousand. Hmm. Android (29:19) per hour. Neo (29:20) Okay. That's fast. Android (29:21) So, what makes this swarm so great is that it wasn't just one dot. They definitely dec detected something on their cameras that they set up on their telescopes, they had instrumental recordings of these objects moving through the daytime sky, moving through Neo (29:36) Yeah. Android (29:36) the nighttime sky. the problem with this thing is that there's two objects, right? There's the the one object that you talked about, the cosmics. Neo (29:46) Yes. Android (29:46) Right, which are the bright objects, they call them cosmics, and then the darker objects they call phantoms. Neo (29:51) Yes, Android (29:51) Okay. Neo (29:52) right. Android (29:52) Now, including multiple objects or squadrons, so they change them from swarms to squadrons. So our new word is now squadron because if they are UFOs Neo (30:01) I like squadrons. Emma G (30:01) Yeah. Android (30:03) or they are some sort of vessel or vehicle Neo (30:06) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Android (30:06) or ship, then it would be a squadron, Neo (30:08) you're saying the twenty objects that they filmed are squ it's a squadron. Android (30:12) It's a squadron, really. Emma G (30:13) Isn't that being a little nitpicky on the language though? Neo (30:13) Not a swarm. I kinda like Squadrant. I like Squadrant. Android (30:17) I like squadron, right, right. Emma G (30:18) We like it, but it's getting off of the point. Where we're talking about well, I guess maybe it's not. Well, I don't know. Neo (30:23) Well Emma G (30:25) yeah, I guess it's not 'cause you're saying that beings are in those ships and that's why you're titling it as a squadron. Android (30:31) Right. Emma G (30:32) Okay. All right, fine. Neo (30:32) Well, they never said anything Android (30:32) Yeah. Neo (30:33) about beans being in the Android (30:35) Yeah, they never Neo (30:35) ships. Android (30:35) said that these were they never said that they were aliens inside. They just said that they are they think that they are UFOs. That's what they think. Neo (30:39) Yeah. What Emma G (30:42) Well who called it Neo (30:42) what if Emma G (30:43) a squadron, you or them? Yeah, so that's so Andrew. Android (30:44) I called it a squadron. I'm calling it a squadron because Emma G (30:47) Yeah. Android (30:47) it's me. It's my word that I chose instead of swarm. I came up Neo (30:48) you came up with squadron.

Emma G (30:49) Yeah. Android (30:50) with squadron as I was researching multiple objects together, because there's two different objects. It's not one. It would be a squadron. Neo (30:52) Okay. Yes. I kinda like squadrons. I think you've just coined I think you've coined a n a word s squadrons. Android (31:02) Trademark. Trademark. Neo (31:03) Yeah. Trademark. But you know what? another Yeah, yeah, Android (31:03) Done. Anytime anyone uses that word, they have to pay me. Emma G (31:04) Yeah. Neo (31:08) they pay you a penny. Android (31:09) penny. Neo (31:09) you'll make about five cents this year. Be from me, because I'm the only one using squadrons. Emma G (31:13) It's not. Android (31:13) What? there it is. It's Neo (31:15) Yeah. Android (31:16) two. that's five. Neo (31:16) Cause a lemon hates squadron. She likes swarm and she doesn't Emma G (31:18) Well, I just wanted to point out that Neo (31:19) like how picky nitpicky you're being. Yeah. Emma G (31:21) Andrew made it and he is because he's theorizing that beings are inside the ships and the scientists call it a swarm because they're not declaring that quite yet. Neo (31:31) Right. But you what might be, but you're you're right. But here here's what I'm thinking too. What if these guys, and we'll maybe we'll we'll talk about a little later, but there is a what if the the they're right. Let's just say they're right. That's a swarm. They they have found this and you know, then you have the government was trying to debunk them or you know, d minimize them. But it turns out that that's our technology, that we already have that UFO base, and that's our swarm or our squadron. Yeah. Emma G (31:56) On the moon. That's Android (31:58) Our Emma G (31:58) our that's our swarm. Android (31:58) squadron of ships. Our squadron of ships. Neo (32:00) That's our squadron. All right, sorry, not to interrupt. So go on. I love this. Okay, go ahead. But wait, I do Android (32:02) Okay. So one of the things that we have to Neo (32:04) want to point out that you mentioned Phantom and you mentioned cosmic. Those are their words. Android (32:10) Those are their words, yes. No, no. Bright, yeah. Bright Neo (32:10) I did not mention it in my report. You brought it up. That is something in their study. Yeah. Android (32:15) objects they considered cosmics and the dark objects they considered phantoms because they're getting two different reads. So, Neal when you were talking about there was the one area that was moving at this rate, and then there was one Neo (32:26) Mm-hmm. Android (32:26) area that was hovering. In their research, they called them object one and object two. They kind of broke it down that way. Neo (32:31) Yeah, okay. Mm, mm-hmm okay. Android (32:34) Now, what I found fascinating is that you didn't mention this either, but they actually wrote two papers. Neo (32:39) Well. Android (32:40) and on the first paper, they never said that these were UFOs. They said that they they observed objects moving fast. they never considered them UFOs, and it wasn't until the second paper they reported the two station Neo (32:52) They changed. Android (32:54) observations, And this is the that we that you were brought up, that you had brought up, Neal. So one was at 620 kilometers in altitude, and the other one was at 1,130 kilometers altitude. So that's a huge difference between the two. That's over 500, And then their calculated velocities, Neo (33:13) Nearer, nearer to Android (33:15) yes, near each other, right? Near each other. Neo (33:15) camera. But they're the but at the same they're you're they're you're saying apart from each other. Yeah. Not near from each Android (33:19) They're over the same area. They're right. Yeah. And then one of them is moving Emma G (33:20) I think yeah, just Android (33:25) at 256 kilometers per second, while the other is moving at 78 kilometers per second. Neo (33:31) Okay. What is that implying? Android (33:33) this is what their calculations were. That's why all I'm giving you is their calculations of the physical characteristics that they estimated. They estimated these characteristics derive from their observations. Emma G (33:44) Are you saying that they weren't like from some of the videos we can see the swarm and it looks like from our distance that they're all moving together, but you're saying that they're Android (33:55) no, because they're they're yeah, they're moving at different speeds because you'll see two Emma G (33:55) moving at different speeds. No. They are. Okay. Android (33:59) distinct things moving. You you see two different shots of their stuff. there's those ones that are hovering and then there's the ones that are moving, and the ones that are hovering gonna disappear. So those would be like the phantom ones, right? Because they Emma G (34:05) Mm-hmm. Okay. Okay. Android (34:09) they're appear and then they disappear. And the cosmics are the ones that I would I would consider constantly moving. Right. So they're more of a controlled, they're both are controlled crafts, but one seems to be more controlled, as we look at these phantoms, right, and we look at the cosmics, as we dig into it, right? So the main astronomical observation scientific council found some issues with this. And they called them significant errors in determining the distance, So it's really hard to tell the distance using one telescope with a camera. Neo (34:42) So their own observatory looked into it outside of their group, but works in the same observatory as them, is what Android (34:45) Yes. Yes. Right. Yep. Neo (34:50) you're saying. They looked into their study and they're saying, what? Android (34:54) They're saying that there could be errors with the way that they were being observed and the way that they were being recorded. Neo (35:01) Okay. Emma G (35:02) Mm. Android (35:02) Right. So in their paper, they didn't identify the

observations with simultaneous between two stations, or that the ordinary possibilities, such as meteors or windborne objects, or space debris, or observation observational artifacts that could be there. They didn't consider any of that Neo (35:21) Because there are thousands of objects going past the moon ever Android (35:25) Exactly. Neo (35:26) all day. Android (35:26) The other thing that Emma G (35:27) Mm. Android (35:28) was not calculated was the rotation of the earth, because the earth is rotating. Neo (35:32) Okay. Emma G (35:32) Mm. Android (35:33) sorry, the earth is rotating constantly, and then the moon is moving. Emma G (35:37) Mm-hmm. Android (35:38) So not only is the earth spinning on its axis, right, but it's also rotating around the sun. So we're doing Emma G (35:43) Mm. Android (35:44) this while we're doing this, and the moon Emma G (35:46) Ha Android (35:47) is also moving around us. So Neo (35:48) But how how does that affect Android (35:50) Well, that can affect depth perception. That can affect the the Neo (35:52) you think so? Okay. Emma G (35:54) Hmm. Android (35:55) the acknowledgement of the speed. Neo (35:56) but isn't that something that they would take into consideration? Is this something you're finding Emma G (35:59) Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Neo (36:01) in in your own research? Are you finding that this is what the observatory said this is the problem with? Android (36:06) This is a this is what the observatory said could be the problem. Neo (36:10) Yeah, but th w wouldn't these scientists take that into consideration? We know the moon goes this fast and the earth goes this fast. Android (36:13) They they did and they said and they said that that was they said that they put that in their calculations. Okay, so here's a here's a here's an issue, right? So the object one, is a calculated altitude I had mentioned of six hundred and twenty kilometers, right? Neo (36:28) Yes. Android (36:28) With a calculated speed of two hundred and fifty-six kilometers per second. Neo (36:31) Yeah, I wish you wouldn't use Emma G (36:32) Mm-hmm. Neo (36:32) kilometers. I 'cause I have no idea what that means. Android (36:33) Sorry, 'cause they have Emma G (36:35) well Android (36:35) the Emma G (36:35) I did find it. how many s kilometers did you just say? 'Cause Android (36:40) two hundred and fifty six kilometers per second. Emma G (36:42) Well, thirty two kilometers per second would be seventy one thousand miles per hour approximately. So yeah, yeah, yeah. Android (36:49) Okay, so that just gives you an idea very fast. Neo (36:51) Okay. I gotcha. Okay. So that's that's two hundred that's that's that's almost a million miles an hour. Okay. Emma G (36:56) Yeah. Yeah. Android (36:57) Right. Okay. So doing that with the Earth spinning at at I think the rotation of the Earth is a thousand miles per hour. Okay. And then object Emma G (37:04) Hold on Android (37:05) two was at eleven thirty kilometers, calculated altitude, with a calculated speed of 78 kilometers per second. So that one wasn't moving Neo (37:13) Okay. Android (37:14) as fast. But later The calculated altitude changed. So in their second report, the calculated altitude changed to 1174 kilometers in altitude. And then the speed went up. Neo (37:25) W well how much is that? Android (37:26) The speed went up to 282 kilometers per second. Neo (37:30) Okay, but why do you think that that changed? Because they just changed it or they observed something different or their s science, their math down the road changed. Android (37:37) Science. Science established that the that the object, right, actually traveled. After they put all the research and these other guys came and they did their research, right? And they talked, they came up with these new calculations. Neo (37:50) Yeah, yeah, but I'm Android (37:51) So Neo (37:51) a I guess I'm asking you, why are you saying this? Are you saying are you challenging that they they their their first report was wrong or they're just adjusting for Android (38:00) No, I think Neo (38:01) to Android (38:01) they are just adjusting Neo (38:01) be more commercial? Android (38:02) to be more they were adjusting to be more commercial. That's what I think. Neo (38:05) So we could Emma G (38:05) Okay. Neo (38:05) we can we can take that in a little with that that's more reasonable. Android (38:09) Yes. Yeah. That's exactly Emma G (38:10) Mm. Mm. Android (38:11) how I go had to go at it. I wasn't like, Neo (38:13) Okay. Android (38:13) they're they're trying to, scrutinize these guys. No, they're just trying to use their math and and establish what they established, right? Neo (38:20) Okay. Emma G (38:20) and this is how that the then they got now that I'm looking at so that would be six hundred and thirty tho about six hundred and thirty one thousand miles per hour, which then the the distance from here to the moon, that would take about twenty three minutes. Neo (38:34) Okay. Okay. Emma G (38:34) Like with with what you're saying. Neo (38:36) All right. All right. So so all right Android (38:37) Right. So along in their al along with their papers, right? okay. Neo (38:41) Wait, wait, wait, before you go on, what's the discrepancy you're trying to explain there? Android (38:46) Well, it's just that we all were excited about their first report. And then their first report didn't say that these were alien crafts. They doubled down on their second Neo (38:55) Yes, they Android (38:55) report. Neo (38:56) ch they they changed the language for sure. Android (38:57) And they said that they proved that these are extraterrestrial spaceships. That's what they Neo (39:02) Yeah. Android (39:03) said in their second report. Emma G (39:04) But didn't they just refine their research and then and then they said that? Android (39:07) No, they made the calculations of the distance and speed

better, but they had Emma G (39:11) Okay. Neo (39:11) Mm. Android (39:11) no way proved that it was extraterrestrial spacecraft. Neo (39:15) and we won't dive deep into this, but I do want to point out the other report that they sent included to that I read also, these guys have are also the group they've identified similarities among UFOs that are being spotted in three different war zones at three different times in history Emma G (39:36) that's Neo (39:36) that have the Emma G (39:37) good. Neo (39:37) same similarities, same shapes, same but not only that, same heat reading. There, they are Emma G (39:42) Mm. Neo (39:43) there there's no heat. There is no it's cold in reading. So they found these similarities in that as well. That's something for another conversation. But this is the kind of thing that these guys are going to say now. And I'm surprised they didn't say it in their original one, but maybe is because they were being they were being careful. They didn't want to be ridiculed immediately. Emma G (40:06) Yep. Neo (40:06) But now that they changed the verbiage in their Android (40:07) Right. Neo (40:08) second report, now people are saying, you guys are nuts. You're crazy. Emma G (40:12) Yeah, but no, but I think this is important. Do they say extraterrestrial? Like that word, they do. They don't just say UFO. Android (40:16) Yes. Yes. They called them extra they they said that they proved extraterrestrial spaceships. Emma G (40:23) Extraterrestrial so not UFO now. It has up updated. Okay. Gotcha. Android (40:25) Not UFO, extraterrestrial, which is a UFO. It's a ET, Neo (40:29) Yeah, but Android (40:29) it's Neo (40:30) extraterrestrial implies alien. There's an alien in there. That's what they're implying then with that Emma G (40:32) Yeah. And UFO is no. Android (40:33) Right, right. Neo (40:35) verbiage. Otherwise it would just say UAP, UFO. Android (40:36) Yes. A UFO is just an unidentified right. Yeah. Emma G (40:39) Right, that's what I thought. Okay. All right. Neo (40:42) Okay. So they're saying they're extraterrestrial. Okay. Android (40:44) Right, right. Emma G (40:45) Okay. Android (40:46) Now we have to look at also how they filmed this. so the question is, Neal, you had posed me with this question, can an earth based telegraphy, can one earth based telescope prove that a tiny object is physically near the moon? My research says not from a single ordinary image, no. So one Earth-based Neo (41:04) Yeah, but Android (41:05) telescope seeing a tiny object apparently next to the moon cannot, by that image alone, prove that the object is physically near the moon. Neo (41:13) But I thought they had coordinated it from two different bases. That's just their home base. But I thought they had two different Android (41:19) It would be better if they had Neo (41:20) telescopes. Android (41:21) two telescopes filming at the same time. But when you look at the footage, Neo (41:23) That's what I thought that they had done. Android (41:25) it is one telescope filming at the same time, one telescope constant. So it's hard to get depth ambiguity. Because a telescope Neo (41:32) Okay. All right, good point. Android (41:33) records at an angular position on the sky, not the object's distance. So something something can Neo (41:36) You're right, right, right. Yeah. No, I yeah, I underst I understand that. Android (41:41) appear beside or even cross while actually being, are you ready? A bird or an insect? Because Neo (41:48) Yeah. Android (41:48) Lemon, you brought that up earlier. Couldn't it have been a bug? bugs, Emma G (41:51) Mm-hmm. Android (41:52) swarms of there's our word, swarms of bug. Neo (41:54) Yeah, so that's what I do want to find out. And I don't know that we can do it in this one, but I had understood that it was from two different angles from two two different telescopes and cameras. And then that would make more sense because if you see an object moving like this, swarm that's moving like this in one camera, and then in this one you see the same thing, but it's coming, it's coming, this way. Android (42:14) Right. Emma G (42:14) Mm-hmm. Neo (42:14) Then you go, Okay, that's something. Emma G (42:17) Mm-hmm. Neo (42:17) And that's how I thought that this is how they're legitimizing this. I thought I saw something that said that they had two different bases, but you didn't see that? Android (42:24) I didn't see that. No, I didn't see that. Neo (42:25) Okay. Emma G (42:26) What about the ring shape though? what in our world would be floating? Neo (42:31) A bird? Emma G (42:32) Like what would be a ring? Android (42:32) Well, it c Neo (42:33) A ring bird? a ring bird. Android (42:33) it could be a f it could be a phantom. Emma G (42:33) A bird. A ring bird. A flying donut. Someone's Android (42:37) Right. Right. Emma G (42:40) throwing a donut. Neo (42:41) It's that's toroidal. Emma G (42:42) It's the toroidal. They're throwing it. They're having a food fight. Android (42:45) So you can't, so I I think what what we're what we're trying to get at is that you're you're looking at the size of this thing and how it's moving and everything, and you're saying, wow, that looks like it's 50 meters across. Emma G (42:56) Mm-hmm. Android (42:57) And since it's 15 meters across, it's gotta be near the moon. Emma G (43:00) Mm-hmm. Android (43:01) Okay, that's what we're saying. So we're establishing distance. So here's my other favorite word that I learned is parallax. Neo (43:08) Yes. Android (43:09) Okay, so a parallax effect. I'm going to give you the definition is an optical illusion where objects close to you seem to move faster than objects far away when your point of view changes. Neo (43:22) in video a parallax would be almost like the image in front is stationary but it's slowly moving towards you. The background's moving very fast back. Android (43:30) Right. Neo

(43:30) So that's a parallax Emma G (43:30) Mm. Neo (43:32) and that it's it's just changing in that that regard. So you're saying this is a parallax. Well, you're not saying that. You're saying you're just putting that information out there. Android (43:37) Could be a parallax in the Yes. Neo (43:41) what they experienced was a parallax event that something was closer to the camera Android (43:46) Yes. Then it will really then it actually closer to the moon. Yeah. Okay. Neo (43:47) than it appeared. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Android (43:51) Which doesn't discount that it's not an extraterrestrial vessel. But as a swarm it Neo (43:54) But as a swarm, remember, we're not talking about one object. Android (43:57) right, we're talking a swarm, right? Neo (43:59) Or a squadron. Android (44:00) I like my word better. Thank you for for using Neo (44:02) I know do. Mm-hmm. Android (44:03) that. so when when we I brought up the one telescope thing. Now I'm gonna have to go back and and debunk what I said about the one telescope thing not working, because Emma G (44:11) Mm. Android (44:11) sometimes a one telescope can obtain distance information over time. Emma G (44:17) Mm. Neo (44:18) Mm-hmm. Android (44:18) And the reason why is it's because of the Earth's rotation moves the telescope. And thereby creates a baseline. Neo (44:26) Okay. Makes sense. Android (44:27) Okay, and that's called a diurinal parallax. Neo (44:32) And you didn't make that up. And you didn't make that up. Emma G (44:32) A di a what? A diurnal? Android (44:34) Diurnal, this is a NASA word, a diurnal DIU R N A L parallax. Emma G (44:41) Diurnal. Android (44:41) So one Neo (44:41) Okay. Android (44:42) telescope doesn't necessarily mean one viewpoint. Multiple precisely timed observations can potentially, I'm gonna use say that word again, can potentially provide the necessary geometry. So that's Emma G (44:55) Mm-hmm. Android (44:56) how they were able to lock their numbers in. Emma G (44:59) Okay. Neo (45:00) Okay. But they must still be observing this. They must still be looking at this and gathering Android (45:05) Yes. Neo (45:05) more information. Emma G (45:06) Mm-hmm. Neo (45:07) This was last year. So I'd imagine a year from now, well, in 2025, that's when they released this. I'd imagine in in maybe this time next year, they're gonna have more data on this observation. And now if they were to come back and say, we're still seeing these. Swarms were still seeing the same motion, still seeing the same communication. Would that make it more believable for you? Android (45:30) Possibly. I'm not I'm not saying that's not real. haven't said any of that. You see, you're trying to get me to jump ahead. I'm not. Because now Neo (45:36) I am, I am. Android (45:37) I'm gonna blow your mind with the actual distance. You had brought that up, Neal, and you said Andrew's gonna cover this, so I am gonna cover the actual distance. So Neo (45:43) Yes. Okay. What Emma G (45:45) Yeah. Neo (45:45) do you got? Android (45:45) I'm gonna give you an example. Suppose a telescope records Neo (45:48) Mm-hmm. Android (45:49) a tiny object, Neo (45:50) Okay. Android (45:50) and assuming it is at the moon's distance, okay, Neo (45:54) Okay. Android (45:54) so Lemon, the moon was what, 238,000 miles away, right? Emma G (45:59) Mm, mm, mm. Android (45:59) But we're gonna say that we think the diameter of this thing is a hundred meters and the speed that it's moving at is a hundred kilometers per second, which is approximately two hundred and twenty-four thousand miles per hour. Neo (46:12) Okay. Android (46:13) Now keep that exact same telescope footage, but change only the object's actual distance. Neo (46:19) What do you mean? Android (46:19) meaning that I'm gonna put in these calculations. The actual distance is three hundred and eighty-four thousand four hundred kilometers. The calculated diameter of that object is 100 meters with a transfer speed of 100 kilometers per second. Remember, we can't truly judge the distance. Remember, it's potential, it's guesstimating. But Neo (46:40) Mm-hmm. Android (46:41) now, let's say the actual distance is 38,440 kilometers. That changes the diameter to only 10 meters now. Emma G (46:52) so it mm interesting. Android (46:52) And that changes the transverse speed to 10 kilometers per second. And then now let's go even farther and say. Neo (46:56) Okay. Okay. You're Emma G (46:57) Interesting. Neo (46:59) saying if we could have confirmed that distance from the moon, it changes it changes the math dramatically. Yeah. Okay. Android (47:03) We can't that size of the object and it changes the speed. Yes, it does. So Emma G (47:07) And it could still be in space. it could still be far away from us. Yeah. Yeah. Android (47:08) even if we it could still speak far away, right. So then if we said it's thirty eight hundred and forty four kilometers away, then that Neo (47:16) Mm-hmm. Android (47:16) object is actually only a meter big. Neo (47:18) but ha at what point are they able to confirm its distance? Android (47:22) They really cannot truly confirm the distance. That's what I'm learning. And Neo (47:26) But how are they estimating it? Android (47:28) they're well, they're estimating it with what I had said earlier with the rotation of the earth and the distance and how far Neo (47:32) Mm-hmm. Okay. Android (47:34) they think it's from the moon. Remember, these are all calculated. There's Neo (47:37) Yeah. Android (47:38) no way to really truly do it unless you're on the moon going, he just flew by. He was super fast. Man, he looked like he was about, I'm gonna say, 300 meters from me. That's the only way Neo (47:48) Really? Emma G (47:48) Ha ha ha. Android (47:49) that you could actually do it. Neo (47:51) That guy knows meters. That guy knows meters. Emma G (47:53) No. Android (47:54) He knows a lot, he

knows a whole lot, a whole lot. Neo (47:56) Yeah. I I I it's interesting because I I I wonder how far off they're allowed to be or what what that what that cushion is for them to say it's either this or it's this. It can't be Android (48:08) Well what it does is Right. Right. Neo (48:13) outside of that. Emma G (48:14) Mm-hmm. Android (48:14) So that's why they their second report came back and actually gave, you know, what they actually thought the distance was. Emma G (48:21) Mm. Android (48:21) So they went back and did the research and then they doubled down and said that they were extraterrestrial. Neo (48:24) All right. Are you going to explain at all Emma G (48:26) Hm. Neo (48:27) any any reason for the formations, the formation of the swarms, or what what that could be? Because we've seen the videos. Android (48:33) Those could be right, right. And those could be what they call echoes. It could be the echo of another image because it's moving so fast. And can this camera actually capture something moving at 224,000 miles per hour? Emma G (48:47) Are you talking about the Neo (48:47) Right, but the Emma G (48:48) video where it's like five it they're all it's five Android (48:51) Right. Emma G (48:52) of them and they're Android (48:52) Right. And then if you if you watch those, if you if Emma G (48:52) moving together. You're saying that could be an echo? Neo (48:53) Yes. Android (48:55) if you watch those videos, they like pulse, right? So these things are like pulsing. Some are pulsing, some are not. And then they Emma G (49:02) Yeah. Android (49:02) blip and then they blip back. There's Neo (49:04) Mm-hmm. Android (49:05) a lot of blips in those videos where they're there one second and then they're gone. Emma G (49:05) Yeah. Okay. Android (49:08) So I've got some quotes in here by Avi Loeb, our famous friend Avi Loeb. Neo (49:13) So wait. So you have Avi, you weighed in Avi waved in on this? Android (49:18) Yes, yes. And he had a Neo (49:19) So Android (49:20) he found a completely independent red flag on their stuff. Neo (49:24) Avi Avi Android (49:25) Avi did, right? So Avi approached it from Neo (49:25) did. The go wait the guy who said three eye atlas was the mothership. Android (49:29) He never said that. Emma G (49:29) Yeah. Android (49:30) You say that he said that. Neo (49:31) No, he said it could potentially be a mothership. Emma G (49:34) He Android (49:34) Potentially. Notice the word you used? That's just like when you say cascade, Neo (49:36) Yeah, but you get as a scientist, you can't say that. Android (49:39) cascade leaves your dishes virtually spotless. That means that your dishes can have spots all over them, but there might be one section that's virtually spotless. Okay, so he Neo (49:49) Okay. Android (49:49) approached it from basic physics. He said if these objects were really several meters across and traveling through the lower atmosphere at Neo (49:57)

Mm-hmm. Android (49:58) up to 15 kilometers per second, where's Neo (50:00) Mm-hmm. Android (50:01) the fireball? An ordinary solid object moving through dense atmosphere at a velocity should dump tremendous energy into the surrounding air and become extremely luminous, similar to a meteor. Neo (50:14) But these guys have also claimed that there are UFOs that do not put off heat heat because of their technology. Emma G (50:18) Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Yeah. Android (50:19) Well, well, that's and see, that's where Avi can be seen as wrong. I know you love him, Neal, but if these are extraterrestrial vehicles, right, that we have no knowledge of, we're Neo (50:29) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Android (50:30) basing it on what we know of science, what we know of physics, not what they're able to do. Neo (50:33) Mm-hmm. That's right. Good point. Emma G (50:33) Yeah. Android (50:37) Okay. Emma G (50:37) Yeah, I Neo (50:38) I'm proud of you. Emma G (50:38) I saw I Neo (50:38) I'm proud of you for saying that, Andrew. You've come a long way. Emma G (50:40) yeah, yeah. No, this is good. He's Android (50:40) Okay. Yes, I know. Neo (50:43) Very cool. All right. What else you got? I I'd like to I'd like to get us to a point to where we weigh in. Android (50:47) I could weigh Neo (50:47) Yeah. Android (50:48) in. I I'd talk more about the cameras. I did some more, information. Neo (50:52) I think our audience won't care so much about the cameras because Android (50:52) so well let me just talk about let me just talk about the the their first paper. I'm gonna I didn't bring this up and I'm and I apologize. So in the Neo (50:59) okay, okay, yeah. Okay. Android (51:01) original 2022 paper, the researchers did not triangulate the distance of the phantoms using two separated telescopes. Instead, Neo (51:06) They didn't. Okay. Android (51:09) they used a color metric slash contrast method. So objects slash scatters using the background, using a different atmosphere atmospheric RGB lights. That's why you see it in the blue when you see the video. Sometimes you see it in the green because they're using RGB calculations to do this. So that could be a problem. Neo (51:30) Okay. I I I I this Emma G (51:30) Mm. Neo (51:32) I think we've officially gone as far into the technical weeds as we can go Android (51:36) just this one little last thing, Neo (51:38) Yeah. Android (51:39) the flashing patterns could be caused by the atmosphere. So a repeating or or a a periodic flashing pattern can be produced by atmosphere and the camera. Neo (51:50) Okay, so that's that's that as Android (51:50) So that's another thing to think about, right. Neo (51:53) we're talking about them communicating in a way that they're respond they're blinking in in synchronized Android (51:55) Right. Right. Yep. Yep. Neo (51:58) this could be caused by camera and by atmosphere. Android (52:01) Yes, yes. So Emma G (52:02) Mm. Neo (52:02) Okay. I mean we could say anything. You could say anything. Or or it could be, you know, you know what I mean? Like I'm saying that because the science of it we don't know enough. What would be interesting would have been interesting was to have Zhilveay on here and then he could explain that more. Emma G (52:16) Yeah, Neo (52:17) but well yeah, Emma G (52:17) I wish he was here. Neo (52:18) i it could be that, but here's why Android (52:19) I am here. Neo (52:20) it's not. Android (52:20) I'm here now. Would you ask the questions? Yes. Please. Ask ask Neo (52:21) you're here. okay. Yeah. Hey, Android (52:24) me. Hi. Neo (52:25) hi Juilev. Do you have Android (52:27) Yes, hi. Hello everyone. The mostly true alien stories. I am so excited. Sure, yes. Neo (52:30) Yeah, I have a question for you. I have a question for you. the the the blinking lights, what is it? Android (52:35) Wait, hold on, let me put my bong down, hold on. Okay. Emma G (52:38) Mm. Neo (52:39) you you're smoking. Okay. Android (52:41) Yes, please go ahead. Neo (52:43) Th the blinking lights that we see with the the objects. that w you're Android (52:44) Yes. Yes. The lights. The love the lights. Neo (52:48) saying that they're communicating with each other? Is that is that what you're saying? Android (52:52) It it it it appears that they are communicating with each other. I'm not sure. It to me it seems like he says hello and the other one's like, Hello Emma G (53:01) Yeah. Android (53:02) and then you fly faster, I fly faster, let's fly together. Yes. Yes. Neo (53:07) But but you don't know what they're saying. Android (53:10) no, we are we are putting it through the computer here to see if we can get calculations. One of the early ones said, I would love to go to Subway and the other one said, I had Subway yesterday. Can we go someplace else? Yes. Neo (53:22) okay. All right. Emma G (53:23) Yeah. Neo (53:24) Well, that's very compelling. Thank you, Dr. Juliet. He's a I like this guy. He's he's a lot of fun. So the that that's all good stuff, Andrew. let me just bring it back to the actual story. So three scientists with real astronomical experience say they recorded more than twenty objects around the moon. They believe some of those objects are enormous disks and rotating rings. They believe some may be flashing together, as we just discussed. And they believe the UFOs they have observed around Earth may be traveling to a base on the moon, possibly making the trip in about 20 minutes from Earth. So now we have enough here. I think it is time for all of us to weigh in on whether we think this is a mostly true alien story or not. Lemon, I'm going to hand it to you right now. Do you think that the UFO base on the moon is a mostly true alien story or not? Emma G (54:10) Hell yeah. We didn't talk about base. We didn't talk about the possibility of the base or them going in and I mean what does that base potentially look like? you know, why are

they going to the moon? And what does that base look like? I don't know, but does anybody have thoughts? Like w Neo (54:27) So I I would think that they're they're living on the moon to observe us. Emma G (54:31) You think they're living there? Neo (54:32) Well, they have a base. I mean, they must have rooms. They must have rooms where they can sleep. Emma G (54:35) But do you think what if it was what if it was something else? First of all, it's probably on the dark side of the moon. But then what if it was something else? What if the what if there's like a power source out there or some other Android (54:45) It can't be on the dark side. Neo (54:45) What if it's Amazon? What if it's Amazon? Android (54:47) Jeff Bezos and his big penis ship flying around. Emma G (54:51) What if there's some kind of material like a mineral out there on the moon that's important to them? I don't know. It just doesn't seem like it's their base. It seems like they're just traveling Neo (54:59) Mm-hmm. It's work. It's Emma G (55:01) there to me. Neo (55:02) work. It's their office. It's where they go to. Because if they can travel Emma G (55:03) It's work, yeah. Yeah. They're just Android (55:05) Traffic. It's traffic. Neo (55:06) if they can travel as fast as they say they can, the scientists Emma G (55:09) Mm-hmm. Neo (55:10) say they can, they can travel to the next to their home, wherever that may be. Emma G (55:14) Mm. Mm. Mm. Neo (55:14) That's very quickly in a in within an hour. They're they're home. Emma G (55:18) what if their home is the ship? they're just traveling to different places for some reason. Neo (55:21) Well, i it could be all of those things, but that's not in our that's not in the report. Emma G (55:25) Yeah what Neo (55:27) So we want to weigh in on whether you think this the the the story of the scientists claiming there is a UFO base on the moon Emma G (55:33) Yes. Neo (55:34) has merit enough for you to think it is a mostly true alien story or not. And you say. Emma G (55:39) Yes, yep. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, definitely. Neo (55:43) Okay. All right. Lemon says it is a mostly true alien story. Now I'm gonna hand it over to Andrew. Andrew, do you think that the scientists claim that there is a UFO base on the moon is a mostly true alien story or not? Android (55:56) No, absolutely not. Neo (55:58) Well are you thinking about it as the are you Android (55:58) Absolutely freaking not. I'm not look, you you you took the swarming ships out of the equation. You took the swarming vehicles in the sky, the the blips and all of that. You took that out. Basically, you're asking me to believe that there is an alien base on the moon that these ships are flying to, Emma G (56:16) Wait, but that's why I'm a little confused Android (56:17) right? And so Emma G (56:18) right now. Android (56:19) that's why I'm saying no, because nowhere in their research does it even mention a station or a ship. This is

just something that they're claiming, that they're they're proposing that the reason why all these Emma G (56:28) Hm. Android (56:29) ships are there, so no, absolutely not. Emma G (56:31) But I thought we were Neo (56:31) Okay. Emma G (56:32) asking if we think those those are UFOs, that thou those are that we Neo (56:35) Yeah, so let let me let me rephrase the question because it it does cross the line a little bit. Do you believe that that those are UFO swarms on the moon? Android (56:44) No. Neo (56:44) You don't? Android (56:45) I do not because the the more that I dug into this research, they're looking at it as satellites or artillery shells that they that they observed through their one telescope. Had they used two telescopes to create the parallax to prove the theories correctly, then Neo (57:01) Mm. Android (57:01) I totally would have been like, and all this information was still there showing the same stuff. Now, if they come back a year from now and do the research Emma G (57:07) Mm-hmm. Android (57:09) using two telescopes. I would have a different opinion of it. Emma G (57:12) Uh-huh. Android (57:13) But right Neo (57:13) Mm-hmm. Android (57:13) now, with the research that I've done, and also we need to note that none of their stuff was peer reviewed. Emma G (57:18) Yeah, that's a good point. Android (57:18) None of their documents Neo (57:18) All right. So Android (57:19) have been peer reviewed. So no. Neo (57:21) So Lemon says it is not it is a mostly true alien story. Andrew says it is not a mostly true alien story. And now it's my turn to weigh the science of this is just above my head. And I don't know if I fully don't buy into it or just fully don't understand what's being told. The videos that I've seen and the report that I've read, I it they're they're these guys are very credible in how they're approaching this and what they've have observed. The information that Andrew has shared about the distance and how much it changes if you really know the exact location and distance from the moon and from the camera and everything else. I need more information about that from them. To say, okay, I see where you're getting your numbers. Or how far off are you guys allowed to be to tell us the Emma G (58:05) Mm-hmm. Neo (58:06) distance and speeds and all of that, that that we still Emma G (58:09) Mm-hmm. Neo (58:09) think it's plausible. and then when it comes to them just claiming there's a base on the moon because they're observing these swarms, I think that's a little irresponsible, if you will. I don't think that they should be just saying there's a base on the moon. They could say these are objects that are unexplained. They're doing patterns that we've never seen before. Yes, it could be bugs, it could be birds, it could be rockets, it could be all of these things, but not what we're observing in the distance that we're having. So, as much as I respect these guys and I appreciate them sharing their information to me, I'm gonna have to say that this is not a mostly true alien story at this time. This could change. This could change. There is no, Emma G (58:48) no Ugh Android (58:48) Right. At this time. That's what I said too. Right. That's what I said too. Right. Neo (58:52) right now to me, there's no base on the moon. Is that a UFO swarm? I d the science to me hasn't proven that it is. it's interesting to look at. The videos are cool. the the research papers are very cool. I'm gonna find out if I can post this on our website so people can read the reports themselves. I'll see if we can get permission for that. so Lemon says it is a mostly true alien story. Andrew and I both say it is not a mostly true alien story. Whatever these scientists Recorded, the next step is pretty simple. Point more telescopes at the moon, do it from different locations at the same time, and see whether the swarm comes back. And if it does, and if another team can prove these objects are real up there, then this story becomes a lot harder to pick apart. Android (59:37) D bomb. Neo (59:37) Yes. Tell us what you think in the comments. Did they find a UFO swarm operating from a moon base or something much closer to Earth? Make sure to subscribe to Mostly True Alien Stories on YouTube. And we'll see you on the next one. Until then, be kind to the aliens when they get here. Nice job, Lemmon. Nice job, Emma G (59:55) Mm-hmm. Neo (59:56) Andrew. Android (59:56) Thanks guys. Neo (59:57) See you guys next time. Android (59:58) Bye. Emma G (59:58) Bye guys.