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Speaker 1: Always love to hear this next guest's story. It's, as I mentioned or have mentioned before, one of the bravest women I know that's a mother, and that includes mine. Mine raised four boys, four hellions. But Katie raised multiple.
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Speaker 2: How many children do you have, Katie?
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Speaker 3: Five.
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Speaker 2: Five.
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Speaker 1: And one of them was named Houston. And Houston, early on, as an infant, I guess, received a vaccine. A vaccine that neurologically injured him. It's been proven that, yes, the vaccine did it and caused him to be nonverbal, autistic, and just more than anyone could ever imagine that their child could turn out to be. And then things reversed. And suddenly... I believe by an act of God, Houston started reaching out to his mom, Katie, in a way she'd never had before as a mother of Houston. And together they wrote The Book of Heaven, a story of hope for the outcasts, the broken, and those who lost faith. But Katie's a writer, researcher, advocate for non-speaking individuals, and the mother of Houston, her autistic son. And autism is still very, very much in the news for too many parents. And parents who are seeking autism services need to know a couple of things, Katie says. Will this help my child? And can I trust the people providing this help? And Katie, welcome back to the show.
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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me.
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Speaker 1: Now, there's national reporting that's raising a lot of questions about that parents are entrusting in these so-called professionals to help their child out of their autistic box here. The Wall Street Journal had a report out last Wednesday, November 4th, that the FBI investigating the autism therapy provider, the perfect child. Some families allegedly received bills approaching or exceeding a million dollars after assurances they would owe little or nothing. And in a development then on Friday, Elevance Health sued the provider over allegedly misleading claims seeking recovery of $ 160 million, it says it paid. Those allegations, while remain unproven, they're certainly disturbing. So I know that you've gone everywhere seeking help for Houston and being an advocate for other parents with autistic children. What have you.
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Speaker 2: Experienced, Katie?
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Speaker 5: The type of therapy that is under scrutiny with these autism therapy treatments is almost across the board behavioral services, applied behavioral analysis.
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Speaker 6: This is.
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Speaker 5: Absolutely not proven to cure a single human being of severe autism, and yet that is the only therapy that insurance will even begin to cover, and it is extremely abused. There are They're authorized to bill up to 40 hours a week for these services, and they can charge an absolutely extraordinary amount. And the United Health Group, as well as the U.S. military, basically took all their data of all these claims that they paid and said, hey, this doesn't work.
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Speaker 4: So Uh, but they're continuing to bill insurance companies.
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Speaker 5: They are continuing to file claims, uh, through behavioral services, because honestly, these are the only people that are actually providing treatment for severe autism. And what they are doing is it's actually quite sinister because they're treating, they're taking what they think is a, an issue of intelligence.
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Speaker 4: Sorry. Sorry about that.
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Speaker 2: That's okay. You're fine.
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Speaker 5: So what they're doing is they're taking what they think is an issue of intelligence or compliance, and they are trying to train these children like animals. They're breaking down everything into these little steps, and they're testing them, and they have to get 80% compliance or perfection before they can move on to the next skill. The problem is what these individuals have is a neurological motor injury.
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Speaker 4: So they fail. So they don't make progress.
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Speaker 5: So these ABA groups take evidence or data, but the evidence basically doesn't prove anything except that they ask the same question multiple times. It doesn't prove that they are learning or it doesn't prove intelligence because all IQ tests are motor-based.
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Speaker 4: And if your motor is injured, then you're going to fail the test.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: This is an incredibly profitable industry, and it's because of a very, very powerful and lucrative lobby group, which is funded by and really sourced from the field of psychology and education. And we have got to get away from this because it is the most destructive thing that you can do to individuals who are neurologically injured is to sit there and treat them as if they are disobedient, noncompliant. and not smart simply because their body is out of their control. And then you have the incredibly sinister business practices, which they are charging extraordinary amounts. They're out of network, so they They can't get the insurance companies they know won't reimburse them. So they use it as a, oh, well, we're out of network because we can charge whatever we want. We can provide the best services. They have a little song and dance. But really, it comes down to they're completely taking advantage of desperate parents who have no idea what to do and no idea how to help their child.
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Speaker 7: It's just.
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Speaker 2: I mean, so what do you do?
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Speaker 5: Well, the first thing is to recognize that it's a neurological motor injury. And so what's wrong is their sensory and their motor are not integrated. And so you need to actually understand what the problem is before you can provide a treatment for it.
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Speaker 8: Sure.
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Speaker 4: And that's the first thing.
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Speaker 5: This is like basically, you know, giving, you know, giving candy.
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Speaker 4: To people with diabetes. It's the wrong treatment.
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Speaker 5: Like it might work once in a while, but most of the time you actually need to regulate that.
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Speaker 4: It's misunderstanding what the problem is.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: But basically let's, let's.
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Speaker 1: Let's get more into the weeds on this. When we come back, Katie Asher is our guest, the author with her son, Houston of the book of heaven. And if you have or know of someone who's got an autistic child, you may have been through the same, The same gamut of obfuscation and lying and a lack of progress that Katie and these reports are citing. It's the Nightcap on 700 WLW.
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Speaker 1: A mother of an autistic son. A mother of four other children. And the author, co-author with her son, Houston, her autistic son, Houston, of the book of heaven. Katie, we're talking about these services like the perfect child who have been basically telling parents that they can help their autistic child, neurologically injured autistic child with their treatments and, And the treatments don't work, and then they wind up costing millions of dollars when the parents are told that the cost will be almost next to nothing. And we were talking before, and you said the treatments don't work because they're treating a neurological disease the wrong way. You likened it to giving candy to a diabetic. So continue from there.
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Speaker 5: So one of the things that people don't understand about motor is that we're all born with zero motor. You have some basic reflexes and then your body basically begins to orient itself. And then you go through this pruning process with the sensory synapses and then motor begins to integrate. And these primitive reflexes are actually the foundation upon which your entire motor system is built. And if there is a neurological injury during that time period, which either demyelinates the motor sensory, causes encephalopathy, damages any of the optic nerves or any of the other 12 cranial, because there are 12 cranial nerves, so four of them have to do with optics and vision, which contributes to the vestibular and the proprioceptive system.
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Speaker 4: So if there's any.
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Speaker 5: Injury or encephalopathy that occurs during that interferes with the integration of motor and sensory, as well as the pruning process. And if that happens, you don't have the same motor capacity that someone else has who didn't have those events. And what they have done in the field of psychology is they have, and this was a long time ago that they did this, really from the very beginning in the field of psychology, which had its roots in social Darwinism. And the idea was that we are going to identify the undesirables where we've already just made the assumption that.
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Speaker 4: Uh, behavior is intelligence.
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Speaker 5: So they identified who they thought was undesirable and they began the process of sterilizing and euthanizing, uh, people with disabilities because they made the assumption that we need to purify our race. And the best way to do that is to get rid of the people that are not desirable.
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Speaker 4: And they did this.
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Speaker 5: This was actually, it was, um, repeated in the Third Reich with Hitler.
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Speaker 2: I was going to say, this is what the Nazis did, Katie. Yes.
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Speaker 4: But it started here in the United States. That's where it actually started.
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Speaker 1: Oh, and it should be noted again, and I've talked about this before, but Margaret Sanger, the woman behind Planned Parenthood.
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Speaker 2: She was a eugenist.
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Speaker 7: Yes.
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Speaker 1: George Bernard Shaw, the playwright who everybody thought was brilliant, was a eugenist.
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Speaker 2: All of these people.
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Speaker 1: And the practice is still going on in this country today because we still have this unfettered, horrific abortion mill.
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Speaker 8: Yes.
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Speaker 5: And in Norway, they're like proud of the fact that they've eliminated Down syndrome.
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Speaker 4: Well, no, you killed everyone with an extra gene. That's what you've done.
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Speaker 5: And what people need to understand is that these, even today, even a genetic cause like an extra gene or an issue with a gene, what that gene does is it has nothing to do with intelligence because intelligence is the ability to perceive and understand information.
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Speaker 4: That's what it is.
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Speaker 5: And what they're trying to do is say what we observe on the outside is intelligence, because no one has the ability to understand what's going on on the inside of a person. There is no test that can be performed that can prove that. but especially because all the tests require motor. So these genetic issues, actually what they do is they interfere with that primitive reflex integration and they have an impact on their motor development, not their cognitive comprehension. And because we have been trained through this materialistic humanistic framework, is the observer have the right and the
skillset to determine the worth and value of another human being that's been allowed to go unfettered and to basically get rid of or deprive the human rights of those people that we think we're better.
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Speaker 2: Than what you found out.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: When, when Houston finally broke through and.
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Speaker 2: Said, I love you, mommy, after, Years of silence and acting out.
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Speaker 6: 17 years.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And then started.
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Speaker 1: Describing to you these things that he knew that there was no way he should know, things he'd never been exposed to. You found out that his spiritual intelligence was off the charts, which led, of course, to the Book of Heaven, a story of hope for the outcast, the broken, and those who lost faith. So what are parents to do?
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Speaker 4: First of all, read the book, Kevin.
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Speaker 8: Of course.
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Speaker 5: That will explain the neurological and the sensory and the spiritual as well as the intellectual. It will also give you a really good understanding of development and also quantum mechanics and energy itself.
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Speaker 4: And it's not a.
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Speaker 5: It's hard emotionally, but I break things down so that anyone can understand what I'm explaining.
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Speaker 4: And what we have to do is.
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Speaker 5: To have a, the recognition that the humanistic materialistic view, which is what all of our institutions are based on is deeply flawed.
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Speaker 4: It is not accurate.
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Speaker 5: So that's the first step is to understand that our worldview is based on a false worldview.
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Speaker 4: And then we have to correct our worldview.
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Speaker 5: And we have to recognize the intrinsic value of every single human being and work to eradicate all of these practices and policies that deprive individuals of their human rights simply because they have been injured or their body is not cooperating with their spirits.
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Speaker 1: And in the case of Houston, you know, it's been medically proven that the vaccine caused his neurological injury, which led to this autism.
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Speaker 4: We ended up in the hospital.
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Speaker 5: What we ended up in the hospital and with a diagnosed vaccine injury, that was DEMA.
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Speaker 4: It basically was killing off all of his blood platelets.
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Speaker 5: At that point, we didn't understand how extensive the damage was going to be and continued to damage his vision, damage his nerves, damage his entire vestibular and proprioceptive system. And when he was able to communicate when he was, you know, two decades later, And he began spelling out everything that he was experiencing. That's when I went and did the research and found, oh my goodness, he has a list of comorbidities that is absolutely frightening. And every single one of those is neurologically injured.
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Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure to talk to you and to hear your story and to hear this good information that you have done the research on because... It's your life, and it's a lot of other people's lives right now, and it doesn't have to be that way necessarily, and I guess that's the point. The Book of Heaven is the book to get. Katie Asher is the co-author along with her son Houston, and thank you so much for your time tonight, Katie.
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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me.
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Speaker 2: You bet.
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Speaker 1: It is another time or central standard time, but it's Joshua Phillip time on the Nightcap on 700 WLW. He is a senior investigative reporter at the Epoch Times, host of Crossroads, which is an opinion and analysis show, kind of like this one, connecting current events, although I'm sure it's much better than this, current events with history. He's reported extensively on the Chinese Communist Party and the history of communist movements, and it seems like we're in the midst of one right now in this country, maybe at its infancy, maybe it's at toddler stage. to get some insight and just opinion from Josh.
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Speaker 2: Here we go. Joshua, Philip, welcome back to the show. How are you?
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Speaker 7: Doing well and always a pleasure. It seems it's more relevant than ever, right?
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Speaker 8: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 1: No question about that. I want to start with just some little glimmers of hope here. And there are so few, they're easier to pick out when you see one or two. And that is that voter ID issues passed solidly in the places where it was a prominent ballot issue. The transgender mutilation of children, that was voted down in places you might not expect on Election Day last week.
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Speaker 2: And also the.
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Speaker 1: Boys or the men and women's sports thing, where that wasn't a ballot issue. it kind of went against the grain of the rest of the left's movement and the things that they have been supporting. So did you find that that was encouraging at all?
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Speaker 10: Well, you know, I think the left has backed off some of the most kind of hot-button issues, at least.
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Speaker 7: On the surface. But I don't think it's gone.
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Speaker 10: I think what the left realized, especially even the socialists, they realize what people care about is economy. And so they backed off all the real crazy rhetoric, for the most part, at least on the surface.
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Speaker 7: Behind the scenes, they were still talking about it.
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Speaker 10: But on the surface, what are they talking about? They're saying you can't afford groceries, you can't afford a house, we're going to move into this. That's kind of the focus, and it worked, frankly. The other side, though, is Trump is now coming out in fact, just today, and he's now suggesting that maybe there was some funny business. He's claiming the numbers don't line up in terms of vote dumps. So, I mean, he's been saying this for 10 years, so we'll see
if he does anything on it, but maybe they'll do something, maybe they won't, but we can find out, I guess.
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Speaker 1: If people weren't being just ideologues or supporters of one side or the other, if you look back in the rearview mirror at 2020, He was right.
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Speaker 2: He was right.
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Speaker 6: I agree.
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Speaker 2: Cases.
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Speaker 1: There was a famous court case in Pennsylvania that was won by people who were suing them from disavowing their own constitution and their own voting laws. And that case was won in 2022. Too late to do anything about it, but, yeah... There was election fraud. There was serious problems with vote skimming and the like.
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Speaker 7: Well, and this is the big miscommunication on that, because a lot of people will say, look, you know, Trump had all these lawsuits and none of them worked. It challenged it.
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Speaker 11: None of it worked.
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Speaker 10: The reality is that is kind of missed is that they never actually put most of it on trial. Most of the actual cases were rejected without having the evidence even reviewed. So we've never put election fraud on trial.
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Speaker 7: We don't even know.
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Speaker 10: What we do know with the last election, though, undercover journalists, James O'Keefe, many others, they were doing work, for example, in California. Nick Shirley, I think, did some as well. And what they found is that people were paying homeless people on Skid Row to use false names to get on petitions, to register to vote, to vote using false names, claiming there were other people. This was verified because journalists, investigative journalists, actually went to the homes of the people whose names were being used.
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Speaker 7: That was happening.
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Speaker 10: I know James O'Keefe also did investigations into Act Blue, and according to him, innocent or proven guilty, I guess, but according to him, and he knocked on doors, people saying it, They had donations, all kinds of stuff. People saying they never donated, but they were listed as donors, crazy stuff like that. So, you know, there is some funny business that for some reason just isn't being looked into right now.
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Speaker 1: No, there's funny businesses right up front in Alaska with the Dan Sullivan fiasco. And, you know, that's the reason. And you look at the Alaska election results. Yeah, that was the big difference right there. Is the fake Dan Sullivan on the ballot confused voters? Not saying the voters of Alaska are stupid. We're saying there was clear election interference by Patola's campaign and the Democrats to unseat that incumbent Republican senator in Alaska.
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Speaker 2: It's obvious.
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Speaker 10: Well, you know, it's interesting because I've, I've actually encountered similar election tactics in New York. Back in 2012, I was doing some investigations out here. And it's a common tactic.
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Speaker 7: It's not necessarily illegal to do it, but it's deceptive.
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Speaker 10: I know the one in Alaska is they found a guy with the same name to confuse voters, basically. But the one I found out in New York, it was a pro-CCP candidate. And he was working together with a pro-North Korean candidate. to split the Korean vote so he could win an election in a Chinese and Korean neighborhood. And so what they did was they actually got a pro-North Korean guy to run, and his main opponent was Korean, Korean-American. They used that to split.
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Speaker 7: The Korean vote so the Chinese vote counted for more, and they actually won the election. You know, you have weird stuff like that taking place very commonly. It's just dirty election tactics.
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Speaker 1: Well, there is a whole lot of evidence that people like you are uncovering, and we don't need to stop with our investigations here, Josh, about the CCP's involvement in American election and in the Democrat Party. I mean, they are a real and present danger right now in 2026. You know, they are– our main geopolitical rival in the world, and they are fully entrenched in a lot of communities around the country, aren't they?
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Speaker 7: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
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Speaker 10: On the China front, you know, my work as an investigative journalist going back to 2008 has been investigating what's called the United Front. So the Chinese Communist Party has front organizations in the United States. You know, people probably heard about the secret police stations, right? Those operate out of the front organizations. Jamestown Foundation found, they found in a recent study, there are at least 1,000 Chinese front organizations in the United States. And these can be fraternal organizations, community organizations, friendship, quote unquote, associations, business.
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Speaker 7: And what these do, I mean, they have thousands of members each.
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Speaker 10: Some claim to have tens of thousands, and do the math on that, you have a thousand of them, ten thousand each, that adds up. These guys, what they do is they try to capture what they call civil society. Bride, blackmail, honey trap, sex traps, things like you see happening now.
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Speaker 7: And they try to blackmail people or bribe people.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, Joshua. Does Eric Swalwell ring a bell at all in this conversation?
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Speaker 10: Well, he would be opposed to boy of that exact tactic. On that point, though, you know, Fang Fang, the woman he was with, there's no doubt he was with her. She was actually doing a lot more than what she was accused of. You know, everyone's focused on Swalwell. She had infiltrated political campaigns of several elected officials in California, including state legislature, members of the state legislature, local mayors. And one of the things she was doing on the criminal level, you know, she fled back to China, so we'll.
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Speaker 7: Never put her on trial. And I think she got
killed, actually, rumor has it.
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Speaker 10: But what she was doing is she was taking bribes, and she was giving people positions on the campaigns in exchange for the bribes.
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Speaker 6: Yep.
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Speaker 2: I saw that. Amazing.
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Speaker 1: The DSA, the Democrat Socialist of America, i.e., the Communist Party, had a record number of DSA-backed or affiliated federal candidates who won last Tuesday night. And the DSA themselves, as an organization, called it numbers not seen in over 100 years of socialist electoral activity. My question, Josh, is what does that really mean for the upcoming Congress? Because the president still has full veto power over any kind of crazy nonsense, whether it's taking people's private property away or, or any of these other socialist slash communist kind of, uh, wishlist things that they, they want to try and do. Um, Is it just going to be nonstop impeachment to try and get him.
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Speaker 2: Out of office? But they don't have the votes to do that even.
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Speaker 7: Yeah. Well, so here's the thing. And this is one thing to remember.
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Speaker 10: Democrats and the socialists, because they're going to be pulling the party now because they just demonstrated they can win elections. The socialists just showed the Democratic Party they can win elections.
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Speaker 2: Just paved the way for AOC to run in 28? Probably did.
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Speaker 10: Because what the DSA has now found, and they can say, is they win the young vote and they win the Latino vote.
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Speaker 7: And that's what flipped the elections. It was under 40s and it was Latinos flipping.
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Speaker 10: And so if they can say they won on that, that's your new Democratic Party.
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Speaker 7: It's DSA. But it's important to remember, they control one branch of government.
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Speaker 10: They control Congress. The other two branches are pretty staunchly conservative. And maybe this is a good reminder for Trump, too. Like, look, going into 2028, frankly, better midterms than president. So they're not going to be able to do anything, first of all. If you want to paint the historical equivalent, I'd say this is very similar to Barack Obama in his second term when Republicans just swept the House and Senate also. In fact, Republicans, remember, they turned more seats than at that time that Obama did, I think they turned over 60 and Democrats turned over 40 this time.
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Speaker 7: So, and, and they bounced back from it too. So it's not the end of the world.
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Speaker 6: Right.
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Speaker 10: Um, and what did Obama say? Obama said, I have a pen and I have a phone and I'm going to use it.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: And he started, he started ruling by executive order and he just vetoed everything that they did. And then that's how it goes. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And, and this is what we'll see play out over the next couple of years. Um, Even if they were
successful at impeaching Donald Trump, I don't think J.D. Vance is going to play their game.
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Speaker 7: I think J.D.
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Speaker 10: Would be probably even tougher than Trump is.
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Speaker 7: I think he'd be less likely to make a deal than Trump would.
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Speaker 1: No matter how they got the turnout that they got, Josh, to get these people elected, do you think that because of the high gas prices, because of the war in Iran- that a lot of Republicans stayed home. Do we have the numbers on Republican turnout in this election?
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Speaker 7: Um, I did look at the, I've seen mixed claims.
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Speaker 10: Um, I've seen some showing that actually slightly more Republicans turned out than previous midterms. Um, if you want to talk about MAGA voters and Trump voters, you know, without a doubt, a lot of people did not vote without a doubt. But you also have to factor in that people just don't vote as heavy during midterms as they do presidential elections. So I think it's fair to say that Republican voters or Trump voters chose not to vote during the midterms. And the problem is now the far left, the socialists, They march in lockstep.
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Speaker 7: They are organized. And the grassroots they have is very powerful.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, now that Nithya Raman has unseated Karen Bass in Los Angeles, this is going to be even worse for the residents of Los Angeles. They don't realize it right now. Maybe Nithya will go to China and the rest of the city of L.A. will burn while she's gone. Who knows?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, she's foreign-born. She's talking about making L.A.
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Speaker 10: The most powerful sanctuary city in the United States.
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Speaker 7: I don't even know if I'd call L.A. part of America at this point. I think they're pretty much a foreign country at this point.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't need an earthquake for it to break off and fall into the ocean. It did it all on its own.
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Speaker 7: Maybe we should just give it to him at this point.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know, is the bloom a little bit off of Mom Donnie's rose in New York City? I mean, are peoples kind of waking up when there were no free buses and the.
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Speaker 2: Government- From what I've heard.
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Speaker 1: Grocery stores are not looking like they're going to be much of a go. He's got plans for, what, one in every borough, but only one by the time his first term ends. The DSA claims at least 71 of its endorsed candidates and measures won around the country. And 17% of voters now call themselves Democrat Socialist. Is it because they just don't understand what that really means?
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Speaker 7: I don't think they understand what it means.
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Speaker 10: If you look at voters, if you view it like in terms of communism, most people don't support communism. The reality is communism and socialism, the words were used interchangeably by the communists up until about the Bolshevik Revolution. There's actually no difference between the two. The only difference you could argue is that socialism is communism when practiced by government. And any true communist would actually argue that communism would exist through the negation of government. So you can't technically have a communist government. But when government practices communism to the degree they can, that's what socialism is. And so a lot of people, maybe they support lower prices or free handouts, but many of them don't equate that with socialism or communism. So I don't think they know what they're doing for the most part.
00:32:27
Speaker 1: Well, there's also this great envy, this great victimhood that has been preached to especially young people. that because someone else is getting wealthy and is successful, it means that they don't get their fair share, whatever that is.
00:32:47
Speaker 2: And, you know, as a Christian, I'm like, thou shalt not covet.
00:32:53
Speaker 1: You know, and I'm all about that, but apparently that lesson has not been taught to the next generation who, you know, came out wildly enthusiastically supporting socialism and when they went to the polls yeah.
00:33:09
Speaker 10: Well in my analysis this is but i think the biggest thing that happened and nobody's talking about is what obama did to the school system and the impact you had on voters you know young voters coming up through that system uh... if we remember obama did common core education and basically what he did is he he federalized the public schools all across the country alongside that, he also brought in the New York Times 1619 Project as the main kind of historical analysis. And then they brought in all this other stuff, you know, race politics and gender politics and the whole nine yards. But what you have is an entire generation of kids who are now voting. And what they believe is America is evil. What we stand for is evil. They've never been taught about communism or socialism. Their entire world analysis has been You know, the conservatives are fascists and we need to destroy them. And they grow up with this whole narrative of third worldism, which is a Cuban thing, by the way. It's a Cuban communist ideology. Basically framing the West as colonizers and the goal is decolonization and the restoration of third world politics. That's what these kids have been raised with.
00:34:24
Speaker 7: They're taught to hate America, hate everything we stand for, to glorify third world, third worldism. And what are they voting for? They're voting for the very thing they've been educated with their entire lives.
00:34:35
Speaker 1: Josh, it's not too late to turn around, I believe. But we need to start now with the education part first. Joshua Phillip from the Epoch Times and Crossroads, thank you so much for your time this evening, sir.
00:34:49
Speaker 7: It's my pleasure.
00:34:51
Speaker 8: Thank you.
00:34:52
Speaker 2: The Nightcap continues on 700
WLW. On this Monday evening... Trying not to talk politics as much as possible.
00:35:01
Speaker 1: I don't know if we'll manage that in this conversation, but there's so much more to talk about with this next guest. He's become a regular, and I am grateful to him for agreeing to come on so many times with me. But I continue to plug his book, so I guess it's a symbiotic kind of thing.
00:35:19
Speaker 2: It's a half and half.
00:35:20
Speaker 1: The Last Lawman is that book. True detective tales from his career. As an Army intelligence officer, as an investigator for Pinkerton Agency, and then starting his own detective agency in Southern California. The man who broke the Wonderland murders case back in the early 90s, or certainly one of them. And he's back again tonight to talk to us. Nils Gravilius, welcome back to the show.
00:35:49
Speaker 8: It's my sincere pleasure. Okay.
00:35:52
Speaker 3: Thank you again for lending me your audience. You're a fantastic microphone. I want to wish all the Ohio river Valley and then all the way up into Toledo.
00:36:01
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. We go everywhere. Good evening.
00:36:05
Speaker 1: We go everywhere, especially at night. Uh, but in, and, and this happens to be night. So I guess we're going everywhere.
00:36:13
Speaker 2: Nils.
00:36:14
Speaker 1: Um, I know that you are a strong supporter of, as am I, of the Second Amendment to the Bill of Rights to our U.S. Constitution that says that God has guaranteed our right as American citizens to own and bear firearms. And I think it's important during any administration, no matter which party is in power of Congress, that we retain that right. All the governments, the government does not give us this right It's supposed to guarantee our God-given right. That's what the founders wrote in the Bill of Rights in the Second Amendment. And it's not just for, it's not for hunting, although we may use our firearms for hunting. It's not just for defending against foreign enemies, but it's also for defending against an overreaching government. And that's why it was written in to the Bill of Rights, because they had just been through this long, drawn-out battle with the government of the King of England that was overreaching and overtaxing and just overbearing on liberties and freedoms.
00:37:24
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard that argument against the ownership of semi-automatic firearms that some ridiculous.
00:37:31
Speaker 8: Liberal will lay on the table?
00:37:33
Speaker 11: Oh, yeah.
00:37:34
Speaker 8: As if he, you know, just with the thing of.
00:37:37
Speaker 3: Well, you know, the Second Amendment guarantees you the right to own a musket. And then they like to grin and act as if they said something relevant or important. I will point out that the British Crown wanted to forbid the ownership of muskets contemporaneous with us revolting against British rule.
00:38:01
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, this is the point.
00:38:02
Speaker 3: The Second Amendment also guarantees the right of self-defense to men who are prohibited by their past misconduct from owning guns. They're still entitled to defend themselves. They have to do it with their fists. But if a man invades a prohibited party's home, the prohibited party may still defend himself with his fists. And that is a God-given right that our government is supposed to protect.
00:38:30
Speaker 11: Exactly.
00:38:31
Speaker 1: My argument on this particular subject on the Second Amendment, Nils, is that if you have the wherewithal, you should be able to own an F-15 if you felt like that's what it took to protect you.
00:38:43
Speaker 2: You should be able to have any weapon that.
00:38:45
Speaker 1: The government has at its disposal to defend yourself, not only against foreign invaders, but against that very same government when it turns its back on our Constitution and our liberties.
00:38:57
Speaker 3: I think that you're correct, and I'll point out that all of these weapons, F-15s, F-16s, machine guns, mortars, claymore mines, they're all made by private companies owned by private individuals prior to selling them to the government.
00:39:14
Speaker 2: I think it's okay. Go ahead.
00:39:17
Speaker 3: Okay, so the government should never equip the police with weapons they would forbade Gary and Nils from owning.
00:39:27
Speaker 2: Exactly.
00:39:27
Speaker 3: And that is at the heart of common use.
00:39:30
Speaker 1: It's okay for our government in a form of defense against foreign enemies to restrict or want to limit the ability of a country, say, like Iran, from having nuclear weapons. But the government has nuclear weapons. They've got an arsenal of missiles. Does that mean that Gary and Nils should also have access to nuclear weapons if need be?
00:39:57
Speaker 3: I'm going to defer my access to nuclear weapons and allow my government.
00:40:01
Speaker 8: To be my proxy, Gary.
00:40:03
Speaker 2: All right. Very good.
00:40:05
Speaker 8: I am a nuclear weapon.
00:40:07
Speaker 3: Let me point out for your Ohio listeners that the very first nuclear weapon the U.S.
00:40:13
Speaker 8: Army ever deployed came from Ohio.
00:40:17
Speaker 3: And he led a combined army of the Cumberland and the Army of the Ohio in an attack on Georgia and South Carolina that was so devastating over the months that he launched it that it may as well have been a series of nuclear weapons. His name was Billy Sherman.
00:40:36
Speaker 2: Excellent.
00:40:36
Speaker 1: General Sherman, who burned a swath right through the South, burned Atlanta to the ground. And you know, the best thing that General Sherman did outside of ensuring the fact that the Confederacy was not going to be able to survive their sedition, the best thing General Sherman did in his march to the sea was sparing the beautiful city of Savannah, Georgia.
00:41:03
Speaker 3: Yes, and he didn't completely destroy Atlanta.
00:41:08
Speaker 8: It was Columbia, South Carolina, where things got a bit out of
hand.
00:41:12
Speaker 7: Yeah.
00:41:13
Speaker 3: And his troops considered it the mother of secession. His army was followed by a 10-mile train of freed slaves who made themselves into mule skinners and settlers and cooks and seamstresses for his army. They were unsupported by the U.S. government at that point and needed that support. And then here's a little known fact about that army that Sherman led. After the victory, there was going to be a parade in D.C. down Pennsylvania Avenue, Parade and Reveal. And Sherman kind of had his teeth on edge because his men had grown a little wild and woolly, unsupported. They'd grown long beards. Their uniforms were ragged. Their weapons dirty and all their leather worn. badly battered, and some of them were wearing a mix of homespun and uniform and that sort of thing. And many of those slaves sat down with the army in their encampment around the Potomac River and helped them to mend their uniforms, blacken their belts and boots. They all got haircuts and trimmed their beards, and they took pumice stone, soft stone, and polished their bayonets to a bright shine. And they marched at right shoulder arms with fixed bayonets down Pennsylvania Avenue with the sun glinting off of their bayonets. And Sherman could scarcely believe his eyes when he saw his own men pass and review eyes right toward the dais, toward the political leadership watching that army march down Pennsylvania Avenue. He couldn't believe it was his wild, ragged troops from just two weeks before. had buffed themselves up so that they could show themselves to their government before.
00:43:09
Speaker 8: They went home to peaceably fall.
00:43:12
Speaker 2: Exactly.
00:43:12
Speaker 1: And you know what it also highlights in modern day, the modern day when President Trump on the advent of America's 250th birthday, 250th declaration of independence from tyranny, has a military parade that is so poo-pooed by the other side, and just a display of proud American military might that he's been partially responsible for with funding and building the military back up. And all the left could do was just complain and say, this is what totalitarians do, this is what dictators do, they have military blades in the And with no context and no reference or no even recognition of the history of military parades in our nation's capital.
00:44:11
Speaker 8: I agree with you.
00:44:12
Speaker 3: I'll recall just a couple of years ago, Joe Biden held an event at the White House full of transvestites taking their clothing off of the news media right on the White House lawn, I think during an Easter egg event or something like that.
00:44:28
Speaker 2: Yes, it was Easter weekend.
00:44:31
Speaker 3: And then that ridiculous, I'm going to use a bad word if I don't shut my mouth for a second here, Dick Levine, the man who thinks he's a woman wearing a female military officer's uniform, that sort of thing. That was their idea of rugged heroism on the left. We've got some
real problems. Our opposition isn't just wrong. They're spiritually sick, in my opinion. They are.
00:44:59
Speaker 1: The Constitution was written for a moral republic, a moral country.
00:45:07
Speaker 8: A moral God-fearing people.
00:45:09
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. Not written for the freaks and the aberrations of nature. You know, that whole thing is.
00:45:19
Speaker 1: I've talked to doctor friends and psychologists. That thing is defined as a mental illness. It's sexual dysmorphia.
00:45:28
Speaker 4: It is.
00:45:30
Speaker 2: I.
00:45:30
Speaker 3: Think it's just a fancy word for perversion, man. I mean, let's talk plain cases here. I can't traffic a euphemism this early on a Monday. Not even late at night on a Monday, okay? So, Gary Jeff Walker, can I call your attention to the situation here in Los Angeles?
00:45:51
Speaker 2: Please do.
00:45:53
Speaker 3: What has happened here could happen in Cincy. It could happen in Cuyahoga County, Lake County, and all that up in the northeastern part of Ohio. We have one communist fighting it out with another communist, and they have their paramilitaries in the form of DSA and CHERLA and ANTIFA and that sort of thing, marching in the streets to do their armed violence and everything else and The more obnoxious communist has taken over from the more ridiculous communist, the one who absented herself to Africa so she could virtue signal while the Pacific Palisades burned to the ground and Altadena burned to the ground. So this is like Mothra finally defeating Godzilla in their battle for control of a city in one of those grainy Japanese horror monster films from the 50s. That's what we have, two competing monsters destroying the city. And the hipsters, the people with the septum rings and the purple hair and their ridiculous clothing that they think is so individualistic, but is actually their disgusting uniform. Prattlemancies who will tell you every single thing you're supposed to know, say, think, and do, who want to tax you into penury. in order to support their radical agenda, celebrating the victory of one communist over the other, as if it were democracy.
00:47:30
Speaker 1: Well, America is sadly going down this path. They say, you know, whatever happens in California, it spreads across the rest of the country. And sadly, I think in this past election cycle, we saw that, but it wasn't that people voted For communism or socialism, Nils, because if you look at the ballot measures that were on the ballots in sometimes some blue states about transgender and about surgery and about boys and girls sports and about voter ID, those things all went the right way.
00:48:07
Speaker 3: Well, the young men have fallen for the Sino-Iranian PSYOP that is spread around by Hassan Taika. and Nick Fuentes about Donald Trump potentially having been compromised by Netanyahu and all of this crazy anti-Semitic stuff.
00:48:26
Speaker 8: The radical right and radical left.
00:48:28
Speaker 3: Are in full agreement in their hatred of our Jewish brethren.
00:48:33
Speaker 2: There's no question.
00:48:35
Speaker 1: And it's really an odd alliance, especially when you hear queers for Palestine.
00:48:42
Speaker 3: When were the Nazis and communists not aligned with each other? There wouldn't have been a Nazi movement without the communists. The Nazis were a refinement of the communists. And then the communists flopped around in the mud with them right up until Hitler attacked Stalin. And then every communist in the West and the East likes to pretend as if Russia was innocent in the rise of Nazism. They helped the Nazis develop their weapons in the 1930s in Russia.
00:49:12
Speaker 1: Well, this time the the nazis are making no they're very brazenly admitting that they're communist.
00:49:19
Speaker 3: So yeah exactly you saw this protest in philadelphia over the weekend it's so weird they have to wear masks sort of like the ku klux klan gary and yet.
00:49:30
Speaker 1: They want they want law enforcement To not wear masks.
00:49:34
Speaker 11: To protect them.
00:49:34
Speaker 8: Yeah.
00:49:35
Speaker 2: Right, right.
00:49:35
Speaker 3: And to protect them when they're getting wailed on by someone.
00:49:39
Speaker 8: Yeah. It's very strange.
00:49:41
Speaker 1: So one detective question that I don't know that I've ever asked you before our time runs out. Nils Gravelius, our guest. The book is The Last Lawman. Is there a case that still dogs you that you couldn't solve?
00:49:59
Speaker 3: Oh, I have this missing persons case that has lingered and lingered and lingered involving a young woman whose father came to me twice. Once when I was a Pinkerton agent and seven years after that when I was in private practice where he characterized her as a 15-year-old runaway. But he never really wanted to put much money into.
00:50:22
Speaker 8: The case, which struck me as odd. He had six children and a wife.
00:50:26
Speaker 3: And he said to me, well, I have to placate my wife and try to figure this out.
00:50:32
Speaker 8: But my belief is she ran away from home. And then.
00:50:38
Speaker 3: After he died, I discovered that he omitted to tell me that she was due to testify at a felony trial the day after she disappeared. She disappears on Sunday, scheduled to testify on Monday. And it is my belief that she is dead and was dead on the day.
00:51:01
Speaker 8: That she disappeared.
00:51:02
Speaker 3: And it may be her father is the one who killed her.
00:51:06
Speaker 7: Tragic.
00:51:09
Speaker 2: Absolutely tragic.
00:51:10
Speaker 8: It is tragic.
00:51:11
Speaker 3: But that case haunts me. And it particularly disturbs me that the district attorney who was prosecuting the case where she was a witness to the molestation of a friend died. And the friend's stepfather, having molested her best friend, was up on serious felony charges. Ultimately, he was convicted and then deported back to Europe, where he came from.
00:51:39
Speaker 8: But the district
attorney.
00:51:41
Speaker 3: Never followed up with this, never went to see what happened with his missing 15-year-old witness. Never got the police department in that city to make.
00:51:52
Speaker 8: A serious effort to locate her.
00:51:54
Speaker 3: Or investigate it any further. And that man now sits as a judge in the Los Angeles Superior Court, which troubles me to no end, Gary.
00:52:03
Speaker 2: No doubt.
00:52:04
Speaker 1: Nils Gravelius, The Last Lawman, the book's available everywhere. It's a real page-turner, and I encourage you, if you've not purchased it yet, you go ahead and, you know, lay out a few shekels and get this fantastic tome. Nils, as always, a pleasure, my friend, and I hope we can speak again soon.
00:52:25
Speaker 3: It would be my sincere pleasure. I want to say goodnight to all the Ohio River Valley, your fantastic audience, our friends in Baja, Cincinnati, Covington, that area. You know, a goodnight to you all and keep the faith. Never give up on America. America will never give up on you.
00:52:44
Speaker 2: Thank you, sir.
00:52:46
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00:53:23
Speaker 1: With our friend Andy Furman. The furball is back on the nightcap. Welcome, Andy.
00:53:29
Speaker 2: How are you?
00:53:31
Speaker 6: Life is great. Great to have friends like you. Great to be listening to the big one, 700 WLW. It's a great time of the year. Bengals are playing UC Xavier basketball. I can't get any happier than this. It's great.
00:53:46
Speaker 11: It's a waste of time. Let's get into the business today.
00:53:48
Speaker 6: And I do want to talk about one of my favorite places where I spent some time during the day, the point dark in Northern Kentucky, specifically in Covington. And on November 28th, They have a great event. It's a big fundraiser, but it's a lot of fun. It's called Joy Goes Country. The Derek Allen Band will be there Saturday, November 28th. And the cost is like $ 60 to get in.
00:54:08
Speaker 11: There's a bar, there's beer, there's food, there's drinks, there's dancing, there's.
00:54:12
Speaker 6: You name it, there's games. And it's $ 50 in advance. But obviously the good news is there's probably a tax rider for you that goes to the Pointe d'Arc. So you can call for tickets, 859-491-9191 or www.thepointe.org. Dot com slash events.
00:54:28
Speaker
11: It's joy goes country. OK, now for the business at hand. Next thing.
00:54:32
Speaker 6: Next thing. This Saturday, Saturday afternoon at four o'clock in Covington at Arnold's Bar at 280 Pike Street.
00:54:40
Speaker 11: There's going to be a.
00:54:41
Speaker 6: Reunion because the sad day happened several years ago when Strauss tobacco in downtown Cincinnati on Walnut Street closed. And it was a great place to hang out. Jeff Booby would be there, the big old Oscar Robertson, yours truly, you name it, you know, all walks.
00:54:54
Speaker 8: Of life, attorneys, teachers.
00:54:56
Speaker 2: All the big names.
00:54:58
Speaker 11: I managed to sneak in, too.
00:55:00
Speaker 6: But Jim Clark was the operator owner. He has one in Florence now, but the one in Cincinnati was the place to hang out.
00:55:05
Speaker 11: It was like a fraternity.
00:55:07
Speaker 6: And this Saturday at 4 o'clock in the afternoon on Pike Street in Covington at Arnold's.
00:55:11
Speaker 11: We're going to have a reunion.
00:55:13
Speaker 6: And I'm going to see all the fellas I haven't seen in years and I want to thank Louie Guerin, basically, who kind of set this up, and Amanda Arnold from Arnold's Bar. I can't wait to see these guys. It's not about the cigars, really. It's about the people, and I want to be there. So that's my current events of the day.
00:55:29
Speaker 1: So the Point Arc, November 28th, Joy Goes Country. Tickets available at thepointarc.com slash events. And that's $ 50. But like you said, it's a donation, basically, to the Point Arc. And that's Thanksgiving weekend. That's the Saturday after Thanksgiving, November 29th.
00:55:49
Speaker 6: People will be hungry by Saturday.
00:55:51
Speaker 1: And then this Saturday, with a two-week head start on that, November 14th at Arnold's Bar in Covington. Not to be confused with Arnold's in Cincinnati. It's two different Arnold's, folks. Don't show up at Arnold's in Cincinnati thinking that you're going to smoke cigars with Jeff Ruby. But Arnold's Bar in Covington on Pike Street starting at 4 in the afternoon. Okay, we've got our PSAs out of the way here. What's been on your radar otherwise?
00:56:20
Speaker 6: Well, I'm a little upset with this, you know, because you talk about sports as a fraternity, fraternity brotherhood, sisterhood actually as well. Because women are playing right now, they're making a big dent in the world of sports, and that's great, okay?
00:56:32
Speaker 8: But when you have someone.
00:56:34
Speaker 6: Who basically is, there's no other word I could use except the P, I'm talking about Kim Mulkey. The LSU women's basketball coach.
00:56:41
Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:56:43
Speaker 1: You know, Donald Trump got into trouble for calling Rosie O'Donnell a pig. Now you've called Kim Mulkey a pig, Andy.
00:56:49
Speaker 11: A pig, not physically a pig.
00:56:51
Speaker 2: I hope you're not running for president anytime soon.
00:56:55
Speaker 8: No, either is he.
00:56:56
Speaker
11: That's true.
00:56:59
Speaker 6: So Kim Mulkey, the LSU women's basketball coach, opened the season with a record-breaking home win. The score was 129-35 over southeastern Louisiana. The score they had was 69-9, but Mulkey kept on bringing on the heat. 24 steals, more offensive rebounds than defensive rebounds, 31-23, didn't clear the bench. I think it's disgusting.
00:57:19
Speaker 2: I really do.
00:57:20
Speaker 6: And I tell you what, I don't blame her as much because she's too stupid to stop. She got the thing rolling.
00:57:27
Speaker 2: She's a stupid pig now. Okay, let's get it right.
00:57:30
Speaker 11: Yeah, she really is.
00:57:32
Speaker 6: I think it's wrong. Let me tell you something right now. This really irks me, okay, because the athletic director permitted this.
00:57:40
Speaker 11: The athletic director should suspend her for a game at least.
00:57:43
Speaker 8: What?
00:57:43
Speaker 6: Look, we have sportsmanship here. After the game, you see players and coaches shake one's hand.
00:57:49
Speaker 11: How can you do that over there?
00:57:50
Speaker 6: Let me tell you, if you're a woman on that team on Southeast Louisiana, you're devastated. You're going to go back and go to the locker room and take your uniform off and say, you know what, I quit. I quit. I'm not going to be humiliated. I'm not going to walk down the halls of school or in my classroom and have people look at me and say to me, you were on that team that lost it 129 to 35.
00:58:06
Speaker 11: That's what it's all about.
00:58:10
Speaker 2: Andy, are you quite done?
00:58:12
Speaker 11: Yeah, I am done. And I hope Mokey's done, too.
00:58:15
Speaker 1: Because I have a response for all of that nonsense you just put out on these 50,000 watts.
00:58:20
Speaker 6: If you think it's nonsense, you're as bad as hard.
00:58:23
Speaker 1: Andy Furman, listen. Hopefully, if you're a player for Southeast Louisiana, wherever that is, and you got drubbed like that, I hope you take it to heart. I hope you make that a lesson to yourself to be better next time.
00:58:39
Speaker 2: Or you know what? Maybe if they get back to.
00:58:41
Speaker 1: Their lockers after a shellacking like that, maybe they do need to quit because they're no good. What was Kim Mulkey supposed to do? To ask her team to start missing layups? To stop playing the way they practice to play? To stop playing defense? To just give a little matador and let them... Let them creep down the lane with no resistance whatsoever to stop scoring. It sounds to me like she probably did clear her bench. Do you know that everybody? player played?
00:59:10
Speaker 6: No, not until the end. Let me tell you something. You said something that really hit me in the gut. It really hurt me. When you say that these girls should go back and say they're not good, let me tell you something. Everybody on God's green earth is good. Everybody has good. Everybody has a talent.
00:59:28
Speaker 2: Everybody has a talent. Some of those talents don't include basketball.
00:59:33
Speaker 11: No, no, you're wrong. You're wrong.
00:59:34
Speaker 6: If they were good enough to make the team at Southeast, you.
00:59:36
Speaker 2: Have to play. I would love to be able to.
00:59:40
Speaker 11: Let me just finish this.
00:59:42
Speaker 6: You have to stay in your lane and play the talent that you have.
00:59:45
Speaker 11: That's what you do.
00:59:46
Speaker 6: You stay in your lane. Southeast Louisiana is not in the same lane as LSU. LSU should not schedule them. They really shouldn't for a warm-up. Southeast Louisiana will do very well playing schools. Look, we'll be like Thomas Moore playing UCLA.
01:00:00
Speaker 1: Smaller schools get good paydays for playing the big teams, Andy. It is a mutually beneficial relationship. When a team that has no chance of winning plays a big, organized, ranked program like LSU, to say, to get at the end of your college career at Southeast Louisiana State, we played the best players.
01:00:23
Speaker 2: I mean, what a great feather in your cap.
01:00:27
Speaker 6: You're out of your mind.
01:00:29
Speaker 11: No, you're right. I'll tell you why I say that.
01:00:31
Speaker 6: Because there are schools that fill their athletic budget entirely by playing those games for getting a guarantee. And last year backfired because Long Island University of Brooklyn played Eastern Michigan in football.
01:00:42
Speaker 11: And guess what?
01:00:43
Speaker 6: Long Island won. Long Island won that game. It happens every now and again.
01:00:47
Speaker 11: We've seen it before.
01:00:47
Speaker 2: And every once in a while.
01:00:49
Speaker 6: But they're not that one-sided. They're not that one-sided.
01:00:52
Speaker 11: This is ridiculous.
01:00:53
Speaker 1: Every once in a while, the piss-poor teams like Southeast Louisiana, who have no talent, actually squeak by and win a game that they're not supposed to win.
01:01:02
Speaker 2: It happens, Andy.
01:01:02
Speaker 6: And what does that do to the athletes? You're going way off base. You always take that.
01:01:07
Speaker 1: You always take this psychological edge of, what did it do to the poor player?
01:01:14
Speaker 2: Oh, her feelings were hurt.
01:01:17
Speaker 11: It's sports. It's competition.
01:01:20
Speaker 1: Winning isn't everything, Andy. It's the only thing, and it teaches you a valuable lesson. I have learned more lessons in my life from losing than I ever got from winning.
01:01:32
Speaker 2: I have gained.
01:01:32
Speaker 11: More as a person.
01:01:34
Speaker 6: You're losing to me right now.
01:01:35
Speaker 1: No, there's no way I'm losing to you right now because your take is absolutely, utterly ridiculous.
01:01:42
Speaker 2: Here's a question.
01:01:43
Speaker 11: Let's get specific.
01:01:44
Speaker 6: You have a daughter playing for Southeast Louisiana. You know, we lost 129 to 35. I'm going to quit basketball.
01:01:51
Speaker 8: It's embarrassing.
01:01:52
Speaker 11: I'm
going to class right now.
01:01:53
Speaker 6: They're laughing at me.
01:01:54
Speaker 11: The kids are making fun of me.
01:01:55
Speaker 6: The school newspaper is writing about us, that we're the worst team in America. I don't want to have that on my back.
01:02:00
Speaker 11: It's mental anguish. I'm not doing this anymore. I'm quitting.
01:02:03
Speaker 8: And she's not going to be the only one.
01:02:05
Speaker 2: And you know what I do?
01:02:06
Speaker 1: You know what I do? You know what I do then as a father? I put my arm around my daughter and I say, honey, Losing is a part of life. It's a fact of life. Life is not fair. And you take this and you learn from it.
01:02:19
Speaker 2: You're fine. I still love you.
01:02:21
Speaker 1: And your value, you're not defined as a person by how you played on a basketball court. That's the ridiculous lesson that you're trying to support, Andy. And I'm telling you what, losing is important. Losing makes winners. Losing and sometimes being humiliated Shaming actually helps you be a better person.
01:02:45
Speaker 6: You might be right, but not for someone who's between the ages of 18 and 21. It's a lot different when you have that competition. She wants to get into a sorority. We're not going to let her lose her into a sorority.
01:02:58
Speaker 11: That's what happens between 18 and 21. I'm telling you.
01:03:00
Speaker 1: Andy, I'm going to make a lot of people upset with my next statement. But sororities and fraternities are basically for losers.
01:03:11
Speaker 8: Oh, wow.
01:03:13
Speaker 11: Oh, wow. That's a stupid thing to say.
01:03:16
Speaker 2: No, it's not.
01:03:16
Speaker 11: That's really stupid.
01:03:17
Speaker 2: No, it's not.
01:03:17
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it is.
01:03:19
Speaker 8: People engage with them.
01:03:20
Speaker 11: They meet people.
01:03:21
Speaker 6: They make friends and keep them for life.
01:03:23
Speaker 1: You've got to be a member of a gang to be popular.
01:03:27
Speaker 2: You've got to be a member.
01:03:29
Speaker 11: You know what? You're going down the wrong road. Please, make a U-turn again, but you're going down the wrong road.
01:03:33
Speaker 1: You've got to be able to hold the paddle in your hand when you're hazing the next freshman recruit pledge.
01:03:39
Speaker 2: To a fraternity or sorority. You know what?
01:03:43
Speaker 1: All those places are is a reason for kids to get together and get drunk while they're supposedly allegedly attending class somewhere trying to get an education. They're not trying to get an education. They're trying to maximize their party life, and they can do it with their brothers, and they get away with all kinds of heinous stuff until.
01:04:04
Speaker 7: They find out.
01:04:05
Speaker 6: You're broad-brushing it, and you may be right to some extent on maybe a few in a few different colleges across the country. I saw they closed one down this afternoon at Ohio State.
01:04:15
Speaker 11: I get it.
01:04:16
Speaker 6: It happens every now and again, but I think there are more good things. that come out of sororities and fraternities than bad things. That's all I'm saying.
01:04:21
Speaker 11: I think there's more good than bad.
01:04:23
Speaker 1: Let's get back to the original argument and your original, just incredibly ridiculous take. It is about sportsmanship.
01:04:34
Speaker 2: And you know what?
01:04:34
Speaker 1: If, Losing is also practiced with sportsmanship, and you lose gracefully no matter what the final score is.
01:04:43
Speaker 6: A W is a W.
01:04:47
Speaker 2: An L is an L. No, it doesn't matter what the final score is. You lose, you lose.
01:04:52
Speaker 6: This is like walking into a fire.
01:04:54
Speaker 11: Keep on, girls.
01:04:55
Speaker 2: Keep on walking.
01:04:56
Speaker 11: It won't hurt that badly.
01:04:58
Speaker 2: This is wrong.
01:04:59
Speaker 1: I have been in basketball games that were lopsided. I've been in basketball games where I couldn't hit a layup. And, you know, the game before, I scored 25 points, Andy.
01:05:08
Speaker 6: You were wearing school colors. You were not playing for a school. You were at a basketball game.
01:05:14
Speaker 1: No, I was playing in ninth and tenth grade. I was wearing school colors. And I had a chance to make the cheerleaders proud and the home audience proud. But I also had a chance to embarrass the school with my erratic play, Andy.
01:05:30
Speaker 2: And you know what? It taught me good lessons. It taught me good lessons.
01:05:36
Speaker 6: I understand what you're saying. I don't know what you're trying to say, but here's the thing. When you played in junior high school or intermediate school, what happened basically was the following. The schools that were in your district were similar in size and athletic ability and things like that.
01:05:50
Speaker 5: No, they weren't.
01:05:50
Speaker 11: This is way out of line.
01:05:51
Speaker 6: Southeastern Louisiana or LSU, come on.
01:05:54
Speaker 8: That's like.
01:05:55
Speaker 1: We were much bigger than the junior high school across town, Andy. And we played them on a regular basis, home and home. And sometimes, every once in a while, they'd beat us. But our school population was much larger. And we were much more prominent as a sports entity in that community.
01:06:15
Speaker 11: Can we move on? Because I'm getting nauseous right now.
01:06:17
Speaker 8: I really am.
01:06:17
Speaker 11: Because you're such a goody-goody. I mean, really.
01:06:20
Speaker 2: I'm a goody-goody.
01:06:21
Speaker 11: I love you to death, but you have no common sense.
01:06:24
Speaker 2: Okay, Andy.
01:06:25
Speaker 11: What else you got?
01:06:27
Speaker 2: Real quickly. Real quickly.
01:06:29
Speaker 6: I'm going to hold it then.
01:06:30
Speaker 11: I'm going to hold it.
01:06:31
Speaker 8: I don't want to rush. Don't rush me.
01:06:33
Speaker 7: Please.
01:06:34
Speaker 11: Don't push me out the door yet.
01:06:36
Speaker 3: Really.
01:06:37
Speaker 1: I just have a few precious moments left, and I'm afraid that you're going to run over that time.
01:06:43
Speaker 11: And every moment you have with me is precious.
01:06:45
Speaker 8: Admit that.
01:06:46
Speaker 11: Every moment that you have with me on the radio is precious.
01:06:49
Speaker 2: Even tonight. You're right.
01:06:51
Speaker 1: Andy, thank you so much for gracing my show with your.
01:06:56
Speaker 2: incredibly solid ways of opinions.
01:06:59
Speaker 11: You could use the word.
01:06:59
Speaker 7: It won't hurt.
01:07:00
Speaker 11: Knowledge and common sense.
01:07:04
Speaker 1: You think Norwood, the N, stands for knowledge. That's how you are with knowledge.
01:07:09
Speaker 11: No, no. For Nebraska, it's like K, K for knowledge. Silent K. There we go.
01:07:15
Speaker 2: All right, Abe. Thank you for wrapping up the cap next.
01:07:20
Speaker 9: My friend, I want you to know that I, Bill Cunningham, am here for you. When you're feeling overwhelmed and tired, I'm here. When you're concerned about work and your family, I'm here. I'm here to ease your mind, provide honest information and conversation, and to raise your spirits. We're all dealing with these trying times, but together we can be stronger than steel.
01:07:42
Speaker 2: And together, we're going to come out just fine.
01:07:44
Speaker 5: Bill Cunningham, tomorrow at 12 noon on 700 WLW.
01:07:50
Speaker 8: This Wednesday night, don't miss.