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there we go. 00:02:35 Speaker 2: We're actually talking about that before you arrived today. Key last week you forgot and you called men you were and you were. 00:02:43 Speaker 1: Like, oh, do you think it's okay? And I'm like, we are literally in the safest hands we are. 00:02:48 Speaker 3: And that's the thing when we actually cannot listen to you to well, Maddie and I share a birthday and we both forgot, which was so funny, but life exactly, we can actually just be like, let's send it live because we trust you so much. 00:02:59 Speaker 4: So well, thank you, thank you for giving me the opportunity to even be on this show, to bring your stories to life, to be a part of the team. And what's interesting that the listeners might not realize is that I'm not a part of the pre production. I kind of come in fresh for post production. So you do all of the planning, you do all of the prep. The audio comes to me and I'm hearing it first time, like the listener. Yeah, and so I've kind of I've got that listener lens. It's coming at me fresh, so with like a lot more absolute dilly dolling. There's some stuff that doesn't make the final cut, but I've got that listener in mind, and it's kind of nice not being involved in the prep, not really knowing what's coming, and just hearing it and putting the best version out into the world. 00:03:46 Speaker 2: I don't think about it because I can see a lot of the time with production, you do generally sort. 00:03:51 Speaker 4: Of you're part of pre production. You know what the episode's about. You've got the prep doc and you do send me these documents that have you know what the episode is about, but I don't want to read it. 00:04:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to hear the audio fresh. Yeah, that's really cool. Well, you're welcome. We have some questions though. 00:04:08 Speaker 2: We just thought that the audience would love to hear a little bit of BTS. 00:04:12 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:04:13 Speaker 2: The third member of the team, what was your favorite episode to edit. Honestly, it's really hard to remember specific episodes, yeah, because there have been so many, and then when we shifted to two a week, it's just so much. It's really hard to remember it all. 00:04:29 Speaker 4: I do really like the goals episodes because they. 00:04:33 Speaker 1: Are They're just fun. 00:04:34 Speaker 4: It's different energy and I get to listen back to the previous one and put little and that's always quite funny. 00:04:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, every why are we so earnest? I love it though it's it's inspiring. Has like I think it was for this year. 00:04:49 Speaker 4: You had some goals which are something like you wanted to have like admin mondays or something, and you wanted to put this time in your calendar. I started doing that for five minutes. I've stopped, but it inspired me. Your goals are actually really inspirational, whether or not we stick with our goals. 00:05:06 Speaker 2: Calendar inte reminders for all of these things that I

with Gusto put in. 00:05:11 Speaker 1: Have I done one of them? 00:05:12 Speaker 2: No? 00:05:13 Speaker 4: But the calendar invite is there, it is, it's there, So those ones are fun. But when you're in the same room, yeah, the chemistry is better. 00:05:22 Speaker 1: We have so I love. 00:05:23 Speaker 4: I love when you've been in the same room, and I understand obviously that's not possible all the time, but it's really nice when. 00:05:29 Speaker 1: You are Oh, thank you. Second question least favorite. 00:05:35 Speaker 3: This is a funny question. Was there one that nearly didn't make it to air? There was one that recently didn't make it? 00:05:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, surprise, surprise, it was a Kelly episode. There was one. 00:05:46 Speaker 4: Look nothing in a dramatically part of the kind of way, like, everything has pretty much made it to air except that one that we're referencing, which I think had to do with pregnancy and alcohol. And I guess we were just worried that it wouldn't and the right way and people might take parts of it out of context. 00:06:03 Speaker 1: Yes, and that that wouldn't work. Listening in its. 00:06:05 Speaker 4: Entirety would have been okay potentially, but if people honed in on bits of it, it might just not have landed. So we kem ad that call. Yeah, let's not put that out into the world just yet, but we've still got it. We could repurpose some of that content in future. 00:06:20 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, that's true. 00:06:21 Speaker 2: But was there one that you were like, what's tricky is the technical issues, It's not so much the content. 00:06:29 Speaker 4: So if you're recording in separate places. What happens sometimes is you've got different quality to the microphones. Yeah, there's different background noise, but sometimes there's issues sinking the audio together, or if you're recording on riverside or something, which is an online recording platform that we use in podcasting, sometimes there's a lag and I can hear the bleed from one of your headphones into the microphone, So sinking can be a little bit tricky, but it always comes together in the end, which is just like an annoying, feel like a little technical that's kind of the nature of remote recording. When you're in the same space, you don't have those issues. But honestly, there's nothing that I've listened to and gone, oh, this isn't sitting well with me. I mean, there are things that don't make the final cut because it's you two just having fun telling Joe you shouldn't say the light of hate. 00:07:21 Speaker 1: Oh I really shouldn't be drinking these cans of sparkling water right before a record. I'm the one where you. 00:07:29 Speaker 2: Just like, I literally just had so much footage to let alone, no matter what Maddie would have had of you sniffing. 00:07:35 Speaker 1: And blowing your nose. I'm so sniffly it's gotten worse lately, like I can hear it. 00:07:40 Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on. It's actually surely the blowing the nose. Yeah, we might come back to that later, I know. 00:07:48 Speaker 1: No. Okay, okay, ok What is the funniest thing that's happened behind the scenes. 00:07:54 Speaker 4: I love it when I'm listening and you guys just go completely off script. You say it's honestly, Kel, it's normally you that goes really unhinged, and then one of you will just say, Maddie, cut that. 00:08:09 Speaker 2: Going to as well, like as if you were going to be like, this is excellent content. Kelly's just talked about like I don't know the cat's bum for ten minutes. 00:08:17 Speaker 4: So it's fund that really funny. But there's a lot of real life interruptions which are quite funny as well to listen to, and I think maybe one or two of them I've left in the episode where contextually at worked. But Kell gets a lot of mail, there's a lot of deliveries. Occasionally there's Luke in the background and she's yelling yeah, yeah, that's always fun key. 00:08:41 Speaker 1: You don't stop for it. 00:08:42 Speaker 4: But there's a lot of aeroplanes now and a little bit of Albie growling in the background. No, and when the girls were younger, we actually was really sweet baby sound. Yeah. What was nice was like, it's reinforcing this is real. You are at home, You've got the same real life distraction everyone. Yeah, and you're here recording this podcast as a real mum in the thick of it. And I think that just reinforces that. 00:09:07 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's such a nice way to look at it. 00:09:09 Speaker 3: I love that, mad See, this is such a good idea, your perspective. Kell you knock this out of the park. I'm loving this. 00:09:15 Speaker 1: Which episode surprised you the most? 00:09:18 Speaker 4: I think the one that's just stayed with me the most because the story was so incredible was that uterus transplant. 00:09:23 Speaker 1: Oh story. 00:09:24 Speaker 4: And I think the day that you recorded that was the first time I ever came to your house for a Christmas lunch and you had just recorded that. 00:09:29 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god. 00:09:30 Speaker 2: I remember, yeah, and we were like, wait till you listen to this episode. 00:09:34 Speaker 1: It's insane. 00:09:35 Speaker 4: It was incredible. I've never heard I didn't know that was a thing. I just an incredible story. And so that one never forget that one. 00:09:43 Speaker 1: That's a great one. What don't listeners know about making this show? 00:09:48 Speaker 4: Well, I think it's kind of what we said before. It's that I'm not involved in the pre production, so I'm coming fresh to the edit like a listener. But I guess people probably wouldn't understand what even goes into an edit. So what goes out into the world is largely the conversation that you had, Yes, but it's all about keeping the feeling of the conversation there and getting rid of stumbles, arms and rhs, stops and starts, sometimes rearranging things to tell that story in the best way. And hopefully you can never really hear it. All shows and

this is not to say anything bad about your show. It's heavily edited, but every show is heavily edited. That's what an editor does. But hopefully you don't hear it. It just sounds like a seamless conversation and that's ultimately the goal, and that's what I try to achieve. So hopefully you haven't noticed any editor. But it's not just a flow. It's the flowing conversation is what you're trying to achieve. 00:10:46 Speaker 2: Whenever I listen, it's not like, I'm thinking this is edited and it's not like I even pick up on things that weren't included, or I'm like, yeah, that was the conversation we had, wasn't it. 00:10:56 Speaker 1: Isn't that exactly what it sounded like? 00:10:58 Speaker 2: And I'm like no, I suggested some pretty crazy Franken stitches and Maddie was like done. 00:11:05 Speaker 4: Sometimes they work, yeah, yeah, cutting, pasting, moving things around. Generally, it's like when we have a guest who like, isn't podcasts savvy or like, you know, they don't. 00:11:17 Speaker 1: We do this all the time, so we do it. 00:11:18 Speaker 3: We'll stop in the middle of a thought and redo it because we know that it'll be a cleaner take. But sometimes they stumble stumble, sumble, stumble, and then they finally say it in a good way, but it's a bit disjointed. So then I'm like to Maddie, cut from here to hear push that here on. This is audio format. Sorry, we're moving things around. And then I'm like, hope this flows question mark Maddie's ready, and I'm like okay, and it probably doesn't, but Maddie makes it flow, which is always make a float, yeah, always always. 00:11:50 Speaker 1: Have you learned anything from us over the years. I think what I've learned about is. 00:11:56 Speaker 4: I was like fair, No, I think it's nice to hear how open and vulnerable that you've been, because a lot of people mask that vulnerability. They don't want to say maybe how bad or difficult it can be in certain parenting situations. But you being able to open up and share those difficult times, but share the joy but then laugh about the difficult times at the same time. It's just that reassuring thing as a parent. And I'm a parent too, my kids are a little bit older, but it's okay. We are all going through this, even though, and we all know this. We see things on social media and we know that that's not how it really is. We know that that's a show. But it's just reassuring to hear, Okay, Kel and Key are also going through this. Yeah, they're also struggling. It's okay, I'm struggling. I'm not there anyone who feels this way. And it's really just that knowing that you've said this before, Kel, nothing that you're feeling is. 00:12:52 Speaker 1: Unique to you. We are all feeling it. 00:12:54 Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's what I've taken from the show. 00:12:57 Speaker 1: I love that it's nice like no one's alone. You're not alone with your thoughts. Ever, You're not the only one that's wake at three, even though you feel like it exactly exactly. 00:13:08 Speaker 3: Oh God, I don't want this question because I know it's going to be me sniffles over here, snufflis. What is each of our most annoying habits when editing us? And I really need to sniff right now? And like I can't because why just add. 00:13:20 Speaker 2: It to the audio texture that is wet. 00:13:25 Speaker 1: You don't have a cold. I'm just I'm just a sniffly person. I can't help it. Okay. 00:13:32 Speaker 4: So that was a great example of Keith sniffing. That is probably more and it's it is a fairly recent thing, it is right. 00:13:39 Speaker 3: I think it's like winter or maybe my new house or something. But I didn't not use to sniff like that before. 00:13:46 Speaker 1: No, you didn't. You wasn't like that before. But our origin with our headphones on especially, it's. 00:13:50 Speaker 4: A stereo stereo sniff which flows the nose. 00:13:57 Speaker 1: Oh No, Keith. 00:13:58 Speaker 4: Leans away from the mind. She's got manners. I've got manners. 00:14:02 Speaker 2: I cop it when I get the video full high Death of the. 00:14:07 Speaker 1: No No and kel you've got a loud voice. 00:14:15 Speaker 4: Really, so there are times where you know you're seeing the meter if you can imagine a meter, and the audio is like it's lighting up. When the voice gets lodder, it's really getting up there, like. 00:14:27 Speaker 1: Take off the headphones. 00:14:28 Speaker 4: I mean, if that's an annoying trait, and it's not annoying, it just means I've got to like dip the volume. 00:14:33 Speaker 2: Yea. Sometimes I get like notifications on my own laptop like that I've spiked it so high it's in the red and I'm like. 00:14:44 Speaker 4: Oh, but that, I mean, there's no annoying trait. It's just when you're editing, everyone has their vocal crutches and the things that they always say, like you know, like like and it's just cutting that. 00:14:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it has a crush. 00:14:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, And like those searching words are important because it's your brain formulating your response and otherwise you sound robotic and AI generated, which which weird. Thumbs down, Yeah, thumbs down to AI. We need this is not good. What will you miss most about editing us? Well, what I'll miss is she's like getting paid first and foremost getting paid. Sorry about that, my voices. 00:15:22 Speaker 4: I think I'll miss the rhythm of it because now it's two shows a week and that's a big part of my week editing, and I'll miss having your voices in my ears. I think one of my favorite things about doing this show is I never miss an episode because I'm helping to craft that episode. So I'm going to miss having your stories in my ears because it is part of the rhythm of my week. So that'll be a change. 00:15:48 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:15:49 Speaker 4: Also, this has just been a part of my life for quite a long time. So we're technically, I mean, we don't really scream and shout what season we're in, but we're technically in season nine of the show. And I've been

on board since season three, so it's crazy lot of episodes and it's been a big part of my world for two years, two and a half years. I'm not sure exactly how long that is, but. 00:16:13 Speaker 2: This season has gone for like almost fifty percent. It's long. 00:16:17 Speaker 1: It's a long. Final question, what is your favorite memory? 00:16:20 Speaker 4: If you have one, it's really just a feeling, and it's being a part of a show that is one that I really care about. I mean, I started this business where I do podcasts and create content for people, but I don't take on every job. The work that I'm a part of has to be something that's meaningful to me. I need to feel like it's making an impact on the world. So I feel that this show is one of those shows where you're speaking about motherhood and parenting, the good times and the bad times in a way that I haven't still heard another podcast talk about these things. You've got a really unique tone. You're really honest andvulnerable, and I think that that's really important to me, Like I'm a small part of putting something out into the world that is helping people, that is helping them feel like they're part of a community, that is making them feel less alone, and just knowing that we're all in it together. No one knows what they're doing now. I still don't know what I'm doing as a parent. You figure it out as you go. 00:17:25 Speaker 1: Yeah, you fuck around and find out. 00:17:27 Speaker 3: Ya follow it well, Maddie, thank you so much for being here. Thank you for the last two and a half years. This is and it's crazy. As soon as you went freelance, I was like, we've got to get her. 00:17:41 Speaker 1: To get that thank you. Of course it means a lot, but it's just so. 00:17:44 Speaker 3: Like I think you have to have a good editor for a show, and it's just some of that mental load, a lot of the mental load of it is eased knowing that you have been kind of at the wheel of that. So thank you so much, thank you, Thank you both. 00:18:07 Speaker 1: Alrighty Key Reseals. 00:18:08 Speaker 2: So obviously we have talked about everything and anything over the past couple of years, hundreds of conversations, thousands if you will, and that actually won't stop. But I thought that we could ask each other a couple of questions maybe that we haven't answered before. So let's kick things off with what do you admire most about me? 00:18:32 Speaker 3: I think it's the quality that many people admire about you the most, and that is your confidence. And you always say of the confidence of a middle aged white man, and that's why I strive to have as well. But I think what's really good about your confidence is infectious being around you. It's something that rubs off on you in a way. So, yeah, I think that's what I admire most about you. 00:18:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't allow anyone to talk shit about themselves around me, exactly. It's very good. You're a good hype woman. 00:19:03 Speaker 2: Well, as I always say, if you wouldn't say something about someone you love, why would you say it about yourself? 00:19:07 Speaker 1: Girl? Preach. Let's put it on a T shirt and sell it as much. 00:19:10 Speaker 2: What I admire most about you is quite interesting because before we started recording, you were like, oh, I'm just so shit. 00:19:18 Speaker 1: And I knew that you meant like work wise. 00:19:21 Speaker 2: But something that I admire about you is that you when you put your mind to something, you fucking nail it every single time. Like you are just so clever and creative, and I just am always so blown away. But it's probably for the best that you don't do it all the time. Otherwise, well, I mean, you literally be running the country whole thanks that is, we need a woman in charge, and at the moment, no one wants Pauline. So maybe you need to put your mind to that because you could smash it out of the park. 00:19:55 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:19:55 Speaker 3: Look, if you need me to step up so that on won't get in, I'm girl. 00:20:00 Speaker 1: What would we call it? We'd call it all nation, All nation? 00:20:04 Speaker 3: Everyone Welcome, Everyone welcome, w a w vote for us? Next up, what's the most me thing I've ever done while we've known each other. 00:20:19 Speaker 1: I'm scared of this answer, I like, don't know what they want to say. 00:20:23 Speaker 2: The day that you broke your arm whilst trying to break into your own apartment several days before you were to go over to Europe on your hot girl summer like hot girl summer with a start. 00:20:37 Speaker 1: Of sling God, what was wrong with me? I know what was wrong with me. We were hung off. 00:20:41 Speaker 3: I was hungover from being out with you, and that's why I locked my keys and my hand. 00:20:46 Speaker 2: But you thought instead of wait, I'm going to try to break into my own apartment and put myself in. 00:20:51 Speaker 1: A really odd position. 00:20:54 Speaker 2: And if that isn't the most youth thing to do, yeah, yeah, I'll fix it. 00:20:59 Speaker 1: I'll fix it. I'll figure it out. Well, you didn't. You had to sling on, sling on with all your cute little hotel summer outfits in Europe. What about me? Well, I think it's actually the beginning of our friendship. 00:21:11 Speaker 3: It's very you to hate someone and then make them your best friend, which is exactly what happened with us. 00:21:17 Speaker 1: I think it's the funniest thing about you, is it? 00:21:20 Speaker 3: Like You're like, I don't know about you, and then you're like, well, hang on a minute, I do really want to be friends with you? 00:21:26 Speaker 1: Actually? 00:21:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was probably the most thing, most you thing you've ever done, and my whole time of knowing you. 00:21:33 Speaker 1: Yes, Becau's hilarious. It does happen a fair bit. 00:21:36 Speaker 2: Like I would say, at least half of my close friendships, I didn't like them. 00:21:39 Speaker 1: Exactly I met them exactly. Who's this? Like?

00:21:43 Speaker 2: Really it's one hundred percent like what is it? Tall poppy syndrome? Or yeah, it's just like I'm like, how this standard? 00:21:50 Speaker 1: Who's this? 00:21:50 Speaker 2: Like? 00:21:51 Speaker 1: Confidence? Smart queen? Oh? 00:21:53 Speaker 2: Who do they think that they are? And then I'm like, I really want to be a friend. Yeah, yeah, this is too late to be friend. It wasn't too late, sea bomb. I a bit of a Oh I'm losing I'm losing my big old dick pixed it. 00:22:12 Speaker 1: Key. What do you think I've taught. 00:22:13 Speaker 2: Listeners to prioritize themselves to be selfish. 00:22:17 Speaker 1: You could also think. 00:22:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that time away from your kid is more than okay, it's actually necessary. I think that is the one that listeners will remember the most because you're so open about it and unapologetic about it. Not that you have to apologize for going on holiday, but like, I don't know, it's just I'm actually going away next week. 00:22:39 Speaker 1: I'm so excited. 00:22:40 Speaker 3: I'm going to wait for seven days, six nights, seven days, and you know, I'm starting to feel a bit nervous about it because it's as long as I would have been away from Rue and definitely away from Suki. But I know how good it's going to be for me, and that's important, and I know that when I come back I'm going to be such a better mum for it. And that's really down to like you, sharing your experiences and really taking a hard stand on like, no, we're not going to feel guilty about this. No, I'm a person too, I have needs, I'm a mother, but I'm also a woman who wants to enjoy her life. And so I think that is the one thing that you've really taught listeners. 00:23:19 Speaker 2: That's so good to hear, because that's what I love hearing. 00:23:22 Speaker 1: I love hearing like because of you, I booked this or I didn't feel guilty about this, and I'm. 00:23:27 Speaker 2: Prioritizing myself and yeah, that makes me very happy. 00:23:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's so true. You hear it all the time. What do you think I've taught my old listeners. 00:23:37 Speaker 1: Oh no, she's giggling before the answer, which is never a good sign. To drink water more often so you don't get it clogged up. 00:23:45 Speaker 2: But that actually is on my list first up, that it's really important. 00:23:49 Speaker 1: To pooll is otherwise you can be hospital. 00:23:53 Speaker 2: As we mentioned the listener that wrote in saying that one of her all time favorite memories is the time that can ended up in spit all full of poo is also gosh, that made me cackle. I'm glad that other people can find happiness in my misery in your clog and my clog in your clog. No, you have really taught listeners the importance of boundaries. 00:24:15 Speaker 1: Oh, I think that such a good quality of yours. 00:24:18 Speaker 2: And it's not just like in relation to cutting out people that are potentially like well, that are really toxic. It's just you have

really good boundaries in all aspects of your life. 00:24:31 Speaker 1: But you're not a dick. Oh, thank you. 00:24:34 Speaker 2: Like you know how you see tiktoks and or you see funny memes about people, especially you'll see that about the gen zs like, no, I'm setting my boundary and I'm not doing my washing. But them having their boundaries has like turned them into a bit of a dick. 00:24:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I get that, but you are not a dick at all. 00:24:51 Speaker 2: You just have really really solid boundaries. But in every aspect, like in your relationship, in you as a mother, in your career, working with you, your friendships. I just think that it is such a good quality and that you've definitely taught everyone. And we often hear from people, especially in regard to cutting contact with someone that's not serving you in any way, like that's only bringing negativity or not having any sort of a positive impact on your life. 00:25:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. 00:25:23 Speaker 3: What's something you've noticed about me that I've probably never noticed about myself? 00:25:30 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this is so easy. This was the easiest one. 00:25:33 Speaker 2: That you just don't realize how clever you are. It's true, you really have no idea how smart you are. The way that your brain works is just so interesting. And yeah, you're one of the smartest people I know. 00:25:47 Speaker 1: Thank you. 00:25:47 Speaker 2: It's just you've got absolutely no faith in your own cleverness, whereas I'm not that smart but think I'm a genius. 00:25:55 Speaker 1: Like I'm the smartest person in the world. 00:25:59 Speaker 3: You are, really, But there's that confidence thing, you know, It's so funny because I actually had a really teary day yesterday about this thing about not having confidence and not believing in myself. It's like, it's very hard to teach yourself. But it's my new goal. It's on my fucking goals every year. 00:26:16 Speaker 1: Isn't it? Confident? 00:26:17 Speaker 2: More confident, and to trust in your own abilities and cleverness. 00:26:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm working on it. What about me? 00:26:24 Speaker 3: I think that you underestimate how soft and empathetic you are. Like I think you don't realize that you are as soft and mushy as what you actually are. Oh, don't tell people, I know, I know, but like bloody you really are. Like I think people would walk into a room and meet you, and you're so confident and all of that stuff, and you put up a hard exterior because I guess being confident you kind of have to. But I don't know, like if you realize how soft and caring you are. And there's another question that's coming after this that will deepen that answer, But. 00:27:03 Speaker 2: You're definitely right because Lucas said exactly the same thing about me before Will He actually said, someone said, what's one of your favorite things about Kelly? And he said, well that she's actually a brownie, but she's really like hard on the outside. She comes across as like like not soft. Yeah, but then he's like, the more you get to know, the more mushy and gooey you realize she. 00:27:26 Speaker 1: Is on me inside, which I was. But I was like, like, you are. 00:27:30 Speaker 3: Quite sensitive, yes, sir, And I don't think you realize that sometimes, but I yeah, it is something about you that I've noticed for sure. 00:27:39 Speaker 2: What's the moment between us that I'll probably never know meant a lot to you. 00:27:43 Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm going to take make glasses off in preparation for answering this because I. 00:27:47 Speaker 1: Am definitely gonna cry. I'm already crying now, Okay, let me take a big, deep breath. 00:27:54 Speaker 3: Definitely your support through the death of my mother in law, because I'm. 00:28:01 Speaker 1: Quite a private person. 00:28:02 Speaker 3: For someone that talks about their life, like I think instinctively, I'm a very private person and very like protective, and so I didn't talk to a lot of people about that, and certainly during that time I kept my circle very small. But it was something that came completely out of nowhere and took us by surprise, and we pretty much uprooted and had to move up to the Northern Rivers for. 00:28:25 Speaker 1: An extended period of time. 00:28:27 Speaker 3: And obviously, when you have a business with someone and something like this happens, of course you put your family first. But I think I don't think you realize how much it meant to me, like just how supportive and understanding you were during that time, because I'm such a warrior, I hate letting people down, but I also was going through something I'd never been through in my life before, and I just didn't know what each day was going to look like. But you had answers for everything, and that just allowed me to be a supportive partner to Charlie because that's my first one, which I got through pretty well. The second to that is then you had to do that again after the birth of Suki, and you talk on so much for the pot and you. 00:29:10 Speaker 1: Did so much when I couldn't do it myself. And when I. 00:29:15 Speaker 3: Called you or messaged you about needing to take a break, you were obviously initially like, oh no, what's that going to look like? But once you got through that, you just took it on and took everything in a stride and really let me get through that period of time when. 00:29:31 Speaker 1: I was really struggling. And yes, I just don't know if you know how much that meant to me. Meant a lot. It meant that I like survived that period of time. 00:29:42 Speaker 3: I was like crying last night writing these answers, and I'm like, fucking hell, am I going to get through through this? 00:29:48 Speaker 1: I didn't, So thank you. But there's just being a friend. 00:29:52 Speaker 2: I know. 00:29:52 Speaker 1: But I feel a lot of guilt. 00:29:54 Speaker 3: Well you shouldn't because how much, Yeah, what's happened in my life has obviously

impacted and I you know, on my worst days, I'm like I've ruined as the show by all the things that happened. 00:30:04 Speaker 1: But yeah, you were just really understanding and supportive. Sorry, this is gonna be terrible for video. Sorry, but I just don't want to ruin my makeup. It looks really pretty good. But yeah, that is that what about me? 00:30:17 Speaker 2: I feel really bad because mine isn't sent like it's not well, you're not beautiful. 00:30:21 Speaker 3: I didn't really have to do much, did I. 00:30:24 Speaker 1: You know? 00:30:25 Speaker 2: Sometimes it's something really small. Yeah, and the one thing and it's just so silly and it probably just doesn't even make sense, but it's when you were going through everything after it wasn't even I don't think like you realized just how much the passing of deb then affected you. PARTN with Suki, Yeah, you know you needed to take that break, and I was like, you know, you go on go forth and you look after yourself, and I've got this and we'd recorded an episode that was an interview with people and so silly and something just you probably won't even remember it, but you just called. 00:31:04 Speaker 1: Me one night and you'd already started your leave. 00:31:06 Speaker 2: You just you called me one night and you go, hey, I know that you're going to be all over this, and like, I don't want to come back in and think that I know that what I'm doing when I've said that I'm going on leave, but just making sure that like you would have cut I know that you would have. You're like, I know that you would have, but I'm just making sure that you've cut this part out of this episode because like we can't publish that. And I was like, I scheduled the exact part that She was like, I know that you would have, but I'm just making sure I'd scheduled that part as like the hook to get people to listen to the episode on Socials, like that's what I had scheduled to use on socials, And it was just like, you know, you were always so doubting yourself, but the fact that you cared enough and that you deep down knew me well enough to know that you were like, I'm just going to pretend, and I actually think that you thought you generally did think at the top of your head, you were like, no, Kelly knows, she knows that, she knows not to do this. But then the deep part of you, the part of you that knows me so well, someone that knows me better than a lot. 00:32:18 Speaker 1: Of people, was like, she's going to fucking use it for socials or she's going to do something with it. 00:32:22 Speaker 2: Like the part of you that properly in your guts knows me was like, I'm going. 00:32:26 Speaker 1: To just have to give her a quick call. 00:32:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just going to make sure I do remember that, I do remember. 00:32:31 Speaker 1: That how well you know me? 00:32:33 Speaker 2: And it's just a little example of how well you know me and always always thinking about other people, even when you're in the depths of your own yeah, and that it's just an example as well that you always worry and think that you're letting someone down and whatnot, but you're not and you're still thinking and worrying about people even when you're in that state. 00:32:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's nice, that's true. That's true. What's a quality that you think I underestimate myself? Well there's two. And when I already touched on, you were like, I'm coming out of the gates. 00:33:05 Speaker 2: Oh God, Miths, no confidence over here. How many things gonna least know? There's two main ones that I always think of, and that always shocks me that you don't realize. The first thing, as I mentioned, was how smart you are. Yeah, I think that you think you're a bit dim, don't you, But you're not at all? 00:33:21 Speaker 1: Can we say dim? Oh I just did. No, I'm kidding, I'm teasing, I'm teazing. 00:33:26 Speaker 2: Yes, Like you are so intelligent and well researched and well read and articulate and clever and creative. And the second one is you don't realize how good of a mother you are. You are so patient and you were so empathetic and you were so kind, and I think that, yeah, you just don't realize how incredible you are with the girls, and you are one of the best moms, I know, like, thank you yours. 00:33:58 Speaker 1: You feed them such healthy food. 00:34:01 Speaker 3: One of them doesn't eat it, don't worry, guys, Okay, well the other one does. 00:34:04 Speaker 1: The other one does because she loves her food. Oh oh my god. But like, yeah, you're just so good, thank you all. 00:34:11 Speaker 3: This is this episode's coming in a really good time because I hadn't I've got my period and I just had a little bit of a meltdown yesterday. 00:34:17 Speaker 1: But it's all goodhos oh well, perfect timing there. 00:34:19 Speaker 3: Honestly, this is like the hype episode that I personally needed today. A quality that I think you underestimate in yourself, kel, I think that, like you think you're a big. 00:34:30 Speaker 1: Dag, but you're not. 00:34:32 Speaker 3: You're actually much cooler than you think you are. Am I really you are cool, babe. Like I hate to break it to you, you're not the daggy bogan that you've run with. 00:34:42 Speaker 1: But isn't that subjective. 00:34:44 Speaker 3: You are a tastemaker, you're a trendsetter. You have your own style and people love it. 00:34:50 Speaker 1: Like I don't disagree with you. 00:34:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that I'm cool in some ways, but like I have a puzzle caddy. 00:34:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's of a human that's showing that you know, you've got your you've got interests in hobbies, but you're still really cool. 00:35:05 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, yeah, thanks. 00:35:07 Speaker 3: I do think you'd underestimate that though, because sometimes you be like obble. Wasn't a vantage to that because I'm not cool enough? 00:35:11 Speaker 2: But yeah, but that is also true anyway, Okay, key, this is also a question that we

could have answered very differently. Yeah, what do you think listeners would be surprised to know about me? 00:35:22 Speaker 1: So something that they might not know. I I'm a deep girl. I'm so sorry. 00:35:27 Speaker 2: I'm like, good, well, I kind of love this, but like also so if you're hoping to get a lot of depth back, because my answer. 00:35:33 Speaker 1: Is very But isn't this just. 00:35:34 Speaker 3: The definition of who we are as people? And I think this is why our podcast. 00:35:38 Speaker 1: Has been so special. Anyway. 00:35:40 Speaker 3: People don't know this about you, but I know it about you behind the scenes because you often use me as your sounding board for different things. So I think that you are really empathetic and that you really do the work to understand the point of view of other people. So I think that you understand that you live a very privileged life, the life that you've been given and the life that you've worked to have. But I think that you continue to try to make sure that you are fair, equal, not offensive, understanding, like you always want to make sure that the content that you're putting in is going to connect to everyone and not exclude anyone, And you're constantly and not so much anymore, but you would ask me, is this okay? Like I just want to make sure that you know I'm not gonna upset anyone, and often you would be like, no. 00:36:33 Speaker 1: It's not, but less and less less, so now like you get it. 00:36:37 Speaker 3: And I think that, like there's only a handful of my friends who are actively doing the work to ensure that they are non offensive and inclusive in all of that. 00:36:47 Speaker 1: So I also think, like I grew up so sheltered. 00:36:50 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, And I just think it's really important. 00:36:54 Speaker 1: It is, and I don't think enough people care. 00:36:57 Speaker 3: They don't, and that's sad, but I think that like it's for me, it's really like nice because as like a person of color and having like all white friends, not all white friends are created equally, like I think, and that's what obviously, when you're not advertising that side of yourself to everyone, but it's something that like, I know that you do privately. 00:37:19 Speaker 1: I'm not going to put in my instagrat woke. Yeah, maybe I will striving to understand minorities here for the minority the but you are you. 00:37:34 Speaker 3: Are, and you do it privately and you care and you give a shit, So it's just something. 00:37:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. 00:37:41 Speaker 3: I think listeners I don't have to be surprised, but I think they'd be surprised by the depths and like, actually, how much you lean into it? 00:37:48 Speaker 1: I really care? Yeah, you do? You do? 00:37:51 Speaker 2: My gosh, what's the next she's bringing the funnies, So it's not funny, it's just yours was not I'm a nice person's I think that listeners would be really surprised about your lack of your. 00:38:06 Speaker 1:

Wild party girl era. Oh god, I'm even surprised by my way party girl. It's like not straighty one eighty but. 00:38:14 Speaker 2: Like very now you're like just no gluten, no drinking, no like the girls. 00:38:23 Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to give. 00:38:24 Speaker 2: People popcorn at a birthday party just like you seem just so put together and like green smoothie vibes, but like not in a dicky way. I just think people would be really surprised about your youth. 00:38:39 Speaker 1: And also I've lived a life you really have. But I love that and I'm. 00:38:42 Speaker 2: Proud of that. 00:38:43 Speaker 1: I think that like I should. 00:38:44 Speaker 3: I think that it's honestly, some people end up living a life way later in life and it'stually. 00:38:52 Speaker 1: I'm glad that I got. 00:38:53 Speaker 3: That all out of my system when I was younger, Like I lived in New York and lived. 00:38:57 Speaker 1: In New York, like you partied in New York, Blazer crazy the things this. 00:39:00 Speaker 2: Celebrities like you've just got and it makes you such a fun dinner party you know, you say, oh, dinner partty guests like people that have great stories that as well are really clever, interesting people. 00:39:12 Speaker 1: Oh for sure, dinner partty guests. So and you are that. 00:39:14 Speaker 3: I'm just a little bit boring now, no, no, no, no no, it's a tarty girl to mum pipeline that you see a lot of it, which I love them. 00:39:21 Speaker 1: And also I can't like not mention that people would be surprised you're friends with Claire Holt. Oh my god, so funny. You're like my number one friend who and. 00:39:34 Speaker 3: It's like I am friends with Claire Holt, but she is the fucking best and. 00:39:38 Speaker 2: Sometimes she like likes our reels that we do together, so that makes me think that she's liked my content. 00:39:44 Speaker 1: And as someone who was like the. 00:39:46 Speaker 2: Biggest Vampire Diaries fans, I literally when I found this out, I was like fucked, I know. 00:39:52 Speaker 3: And you know what's crazy is like she's obviously super famous, super successful, super busy. She's just launched a line of perfect tea shirt Saint Serene. If you haven't seen them, go check them out. But to you, she's your. 00:40:03 Speaker 1: Friend, like she she's got three kids. 00:40:05 Speaker 3: But I did that episode on I Hate My postpart and Body, and she sent me like the longest voice note about it, and I'm just like, you're a celebrity, real one, you know, she's like real one you. 00:40:15 Speaker 1: But then you realize it affects everyone exactly, and so yeah, so shout out to Claire. She's the best. And Claire, if you're listening, huge fan of I know, like, oh my god, Claire like this and I'm like, yeah, it was. 00:40:27 Speaker 2: I think that's how I discovered it. It's not like you walk around advertising your friends. I sent you a screenshot one day saying, oh my god, Claire Holt like liked this or commented on this or something, and

then you were like. 00:40:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we went to school together. What. 00:40:44 Speaker 3: She's so nice too, which is like why I love when people love her, cause I'm like, you should like she's real. 00:40:50 Speaker 1: The funny thing is if I met her, I'd like. 00:40:51 Speaker 3: Just be like, hey, yeah, hey, can I tell you something that you wouldn't know? Actually, so many of my friends when we at the birthday parties are like, I'm way too scared to talk to Kelly. 00:41:00 Speaker 1: Because like I know too much about her. 00:41:02 Speaker 2: And I'm like fair, I'm like, they're like, I've heard about her vagina in detail. They're just like worried that they'd have a conversation with you and then just bring up something that they've obviously heard you talk about but have that familiarity. 00:41:13 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm like, she don't care. We just goes to hell. 00:41:15 Speaker 2: I'm like, no, there's just there's just no way. 00:41:20 Speaker 1: Like they're clear, Like you're they're cleared. 00:41:22 Speaker 2: Do you know what? They're famous ANTMV though, And I'm not Rebecca on the Originals for the Vampire Stories. 00:41:29 Speaker 1: I love our class is not my brother O. Session is so deep and I love it she'll love it too. 00:41:37 Speaker 2: If she likes this episode, we're gonna know that she knows. I'm a big fan, number one fan, one fan. Did you run the fan page? No, I'm just kidding. We didn't know doing a clear Holt puzzle in my spare time too far. 00:41:56 Speaker 1: I know what I'm gonna get you for Christmas. It's gonna be a really funny all right. 00:42:00 Speaker 2: If you had to describe me at the start of Eat, Sleep, Repeat, and Meet today, what would you say has changed? 00:42:05 Speaker 3: Well, I would say that when we started you were in the depth of newborn motherhood. Hell hell, well you know, I was trying to lead in softly, but there we are. 00:42:17 Speaker 1: You're in hell. It was difficult and you. 00:42:21 Speaker 3: Were really struggling, but you were sharing everything and that's obviously what made that so special. But you today is considering having a second baby actually so true, which is crazy Like that, I think that is growth. Like you have said, you've talked so openly about your struggles, how hard it was going through, like the grieving stage that Poppy was never going to come. And then like now we've been talking about and Poppy maybe coming out. 00:42:51 Speaker 2: Or Percy if it's a boy, maybe Percy three Leger, three leg But I think that that is crazy, right, But my sister is thatly, like what is wrong with you? She's like, no, you're romanticizing it, Kelly. You're romanticizing it. You're forgetting how bad is You're forgetting how bad the babies we make are. 00:43:10 Speaker 1: Stop romanticizing it. But I'm like, can she I'm gonna have to give me her phone number. 00:43:13 Speaker 3: Actually, I just think I've got it for when I need to borrow that air con when it was

summer and I was pregnant, So I'll text on myself. 00:43:19 Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up, Emma, no, because I'm just so surprised. 00:43:21 Speaker 2: Like in our last few episodes, it's gone from like maybe to whistling in the wind to I. 00:43:27 Speaker 1: Might be having a baby. Let coins Luke gorge your loins and like. 00:43:34 Speaker 2: He's been waiting for the call up. He's been lating, he's been waiting, He's been waiting. But that is that's crazy. Yeah, that is so true, and I love that. 00:43:42 Speaker 3: Like one of our listeners even wrote in and said that they had that same experience. I was like, maybe right in again, DMA give her that little push over the old line, so you. 00:43:53 Speaker 2: Know, how we were talking about I don't even remember what episode it was, but you were describing how buying a home you finally felt tethered. Yes, and you were describing feeling like a balloon, like blowing around in the wind, like floating around and not being tethered to something, and then you finally feel tethered. 00:44:12 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:44:13 Speaker 2: It's like a weird way to look at it. It sounds like I'm saying that you've had no growth. I don't think that you have changed, but in a really beautiful way that I think of you. And you describe yourself as saying that you feel like you've always just been like this balloon blowing around. Of course you've changed in some ways, but at your core, I just find you to be such a consistent, steady person that's always tethered. And I think it's like your brain that makes you feel untethered and so chaotic. Yeah, you're actually just really consistent, just good person, Thanks Carl. 00:44:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, brains all really really fuck with you. Thank you for a spin, won't they? 00:45:01 Speaker 2: Kiri Cels, what would you say directly to someone who's listened to ESR or eat Sleep, Shit Repeat, Oh, bring in the swear back for the last episode, from the very beginning, from the very beginning, I would say, thank you for letting us be the soundtrack to your season of motherhood. 00:45:21 Speaker 3: I know how like special and intimate that is. And just to know that you've been listening since the beginning is just so lovely, Like it's such privilege, and thank you for hanging in there while we navigated LIFs ups and downs, like. 00:45:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, being bombed around some very episodes. 00:45:39 Speaker 3: Like what was Crazy was like we struggled with growth, but we had consistent numbers. So the people that listened were all the way in, Yeah, always all the way in. They were like people. 00:45:49 Speaker 1: Tapped in and out. I mean some people probably. 00:45:51 Speaker 3: Did, yeah, but like our numbers were always consistent, Like those thousands of people that were listening but listened to the ghost episode and they were like. 00:45:59 Speaker 1: Ported BacT that they enjoyed it as a dates if anyone cares, don't because I think my new house has a ghost in it and it's really scaring me. 00:46:08 Speaker 3: And I'm like, I'm going to have to like get some ghosts age your age out. I think they're friendly and I'm trying to believe. 00:46:15 Speaker 1: That, Yes, if you have a ghost it's a loved one. 00:46:17 Speaker 3: But honestly, yeah, just like, thank you for the support and for listening and for giving back to us as much as we gave. 00:46:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, as well, what would you say? 00:46:28 Speaker 2: I would say exactly that you think you just perfectly articulated the thank you. 00:46:33 Speaker 1: That it's so intimate. 00:46:36 Speaker 2: Is yeah, everything that the shitters have shared with us, it's honestly just such a privilege. 00:46:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I just agree with what you said. Really, you're welcome. What has this community taught you? This is like a backhanded compliment that moms aren't boring. 00:46:53 Speaker 2: So obviously one of the reasons why we originally started a parenting. 00:46:58 Speaker 1: Podcast was I was like, oh, parents are so fucking boring. I hate parenting content, Like, oh. 00:47:05 Speaker 2: They're just like oh, and then Timothy did a pooh and then went and ate a weak bis and everything that I observed. Obviously I had friends that were mums that weren't born, but I just was like, boring, But actually they are the funniest. 00:47:21 Speaker 1: Most supportive for our community. 00:47:23 Speaker 2: Of course, like some people questionable, but our community, yeah, just the funniest group of chicks and some dudes of course, But like everyone has got such great personalities in great humor, great questions. 00:47:39 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just it's funny, isn't it, how like you find your people Like, it's just interesting how we've been We've managed to like form this group of people that. 00:47:50 Speaker 1: Like minded, yeah, really like minded. Different, like obviously so different. But I love that though. 00:47:54 Speaker 2: Everyone's so respectful, streak of like understanding and empathy and yeah, and if you don't laugh, you'll cry exactly exactly what about you? 00:48:03 Speaker 1: Oh God, here we go. I'm so deep all the time. Oh I love this. So moms are fucking funny. My voice matters. 00:48:14 Speaker 3: Sorry, guys, I'm like, who is that chick who's always like that? 00:48:19 Speaker 1: What's that movie about the emotions? Inside out? Inside out? 00:48:24 Speaker 2: What's the sad one? But you're not sad? I feel like I'm just hadness. Sadness important, I'm literally sadness. Sorry, No, it's happy though. This is happy that my voice matters. 00:48:37 Speaker 3: A lot of people can tell you sometimes that it doesn't, you know, in different ways, not like overtly or like directly I should say, but yeah, just like through different things. So one thing that has been amazing is that you know, when I've shared all topics that we've done that I know that I suggested them and was a bit like, oh, fuck, you know, we go again with more. 00:48:58 Speaker 2:

Sometimes it was because I went, I don't want to talk about it, that it's bororring. But then the audience was like, no, it's not, we're fucking interested. Helly shut out and he was like, told you. 00:49:06 Speaker 1: But also you would be at the end of the episode, Oh actually that was really good. 00:49:10 Speaker 3: But I think that has been like the one thing that they've taught me is like, I've got good ideas. My voice matters, my opinions matter, which is something yeah, that I didn't hear often as a child or as an adult. 00:49:23 Speaker 2: So I really appreciate that you do have a very important and also nice voice. 00:49:27 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you very much. 00:49:31 Speaker 2: What's something you worry less about today than when the podcast started? 00:49:35 Speaker 1: And how are you more confident if you are maybe or not? 00:49:39 Speaker 3: I would say being quite a private person, I am open to a point. I think there's still some stuff that you need to keep private. But I do feel like I worry less about what I share. But that's also because I know the people who are listening. It's like landing and safe hands. You know, Oh, that is. 00:49:56 Speaker 2: Such a good point. Landing safe Hands is a beautiful safe ears. 00:50:00 Speaker 3: Safe ears like they understand me, They get the context because they know who we are as people after listening to us for like four whatever years, that I can actually be myself because sometimes, like you know, you're on a podcast, you're starting like you don't certainly for me, I can't talk on your behalf because you are very you. But I feel like sometimes you don't want to. 00:50:21 Speaker 1: Be judged, you know. 00:50:23 Speaker 3: And I am very truthful in what I say, but some stuff doesn't always make it onto the podcast. But I do feel like I really worry less about being judged for the things that I believe because I think people understand that it comes from a. 00:50:36 Speaker 1: Place of like of that I've thought about it, Yeah, that it's. 00:50:39 Speaker 3: Considered, it's not just kind of like a random thought, and that it comes from love, you know. 00:50:44 Speaker 1: So yeah, what about you? 00:50:46 Speaker 2: I feel like this shit is and you will be very proud of me for this. But I don't worry anymore. I spend limited time worrying that I'm a good mom. Yeah I know that I'm a good mom. Yeah, I'm such a good mum. Actually, yeah, I've got more middle aged white man confidence about also parenting and being a mum. 00:51:06 Speaker 3: That's so nice though, and that's something that does rub off on other people too. 00:51:11 Speaker 2: But I also think that not just you, but the entire audience have helped me a lot with them with their messages and thought about different things. They're alive and thriving. That's all you could ask for, right, surviving Maybe not thriving, Well, that's still important. Last question, Oh my gosh. If this podcast has been one long conversation with our listeners, what's the last thing you'd like to say. Always remember that no feeling, thought, or experience is unique. 00:51:47 Speaker 1: Oh I love that. 00:51:48 Speaker 2: And that you are never alone in anything that you're feeling or thinking. 00:51:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, we are not special. 00:51:56 Speaker 2: It's just everything is just so universal, and you just need to say, be open and chat to people, and you realize that you're way less. 00:52:03 Speaker 1: Alone than you ever thought. Yeah. 00:52:05 Speaker 2: Also that two things can be true at the same time. So you can love, like, as an example, you can love your kid more than anything in the entire world, but you can also find being a mum really fucking hard. 00:52:17 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. 00:52:19 Speaker 2: Finally, the quote that I like to live by, if you don't laugh, you will cry, So just always try to find the joy, try to find. 00:52:27 Speaker 1: The humor and things even on the darkest of days. Yeah, I love that. I love that. Curl. Mine's a little bit simpler, short and sweet. It's you're doing it. Oh good, and you've got this. Oh put that on a T shirt. You've got this. I love that. But it's true. I think like you need that reminder that you are doing it. 00:52:49 Speaker 3: Like you're getting up every day, you're showing up, you're trying your best. If you do something wrong, you're saying sorry, you're trying. 00:52:57 Speaker 1: To do better. And you've got it. You got this, You've got this girl. 00:53:03 Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for listening to us today and for every day or night that we have been in your ears over the past four years. 00:53:12 Speaker 2: Yes, and it has been an absolute pleasure. And I mean you know that we made about one thousand dollars a year to make this show. 00:53:19 Speaker 1: So literally our absolute pleasure. 00:53:23 Speaker 2: You are so welcome, and we promise to come back at some point in some capacity. 00:53:27 Speaker 1: We will. This is a goodbye forever. 00:53:30 Speaker 2: In the meantime, you can find us on Insta at Kelly Underscore mccaren and at key Reese links. In the show notes, as are our other pods. If you're missing our voices and want more great content. I chat all things beauty with the lovely Lee Campbell every Friday on You Beauty and Key chats all things mental health and just general great life. Chat on Mondays with the delightful Lucy levill on I'm wigging out, Let's do it Together. 00:53:55 Speaker 3: This podcast was produced by us Kelly mccareny so