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or anything, it's more hopefully helpful information to KENT: Yeah. British Liz: help people enjoy cons as best they can. KENT: Yeah, we were just talking about how many cons we do throughout the year And you had mentioned what, twenty twenty four was your biggest year for doing conventions? Lindsey: Yeah, I had done I went to eleven of them. And all of them but three I think were press related. So at least I didn't have to KENT: wow. Lindsey: pay for the tickets. KENT: Wow. So press. Yeah. British Liz: That's that's always a that's always good. KENT: what would somebody obviously you've done video editing and stuff like that, but how do you how does one acquire a press pass? Lindsey: So it it started when I started taking my camera to conventions just for fun and I KENT: Mm-hmm. Lindsey: would shoot stuff and then then I was like, well, it might be kind of fun to like, you know, expand my portfolio and shoot this kind of stuff and upload it to YouTube. And then people started subscribing and then I started a blog. and then I started thinking like, I wonder if I could like get press pass for covering conventions. And so I started applying and Luckily, Fan Expo Denver was actually the first place that accepted me. So British Liz: And we love that Denver show. That was KENT: What do you do? British Liz: that was Lindsey: Yeah. British Liz: I I used to live in Colorado, so that was one of my home shows. Love that show. Yeah. KENT: My and that was my hometown. Yeah. Lindsey: I love the fan expos. They're so fun. KENT: That's awesome. So, you've you've done all these different conventions and stuff And obviously our topic is conversations with coffee, and we're here to help the listener have a a better experience. navigating through the comic-cons and stuff like that. And as our guest, I always like to ask the guests, like, what is one tip that you would give the listener that would help them navigate or have a really good experience. Lindsey: Mm. Well, this one's probably already been said before, but it's something that like it's advice that I need to take myself because I don't listen to it, is KENT: Right. Lindsey: to make sure you drink water and take food breaks. Because KENT: there you go. Lindsey: like for me especially, like being in crowds all the time, it gets like overstimulating, and you kind of need to like carve time out to be alone and in silence and recharge yourself for like KENT: Mm-hmm. Lindsey: 30 minutes. And while I do that, I usually eat. t take my lunch break and just hang out for a while. KENT: Yeah. See, there you go, Liz. She's you gotta eat and drink water. British Liz: Yes, I I sometimes try and do those things. KENT: Me too. British Liz: Well don't you find Lindsay, don't you find you're afraid you might miss something if you, you know, shut yourself in a quiet room or just sit in your car for for ten minutes just to to to regroup? But are you afraid you might miss something? Lindsey: No, because I'm very OCD about like

having a very like laid out schedule for that day and for that weekend. So like, you know, by the hour I know what I'm doing and so I just make sure I put lunch in there at some point. And if there's a panel I want to see, I just don't schedule it like bef you know, before or after it. what's tricky are the autographs though, because sometimes, you know, you might be in line for like several hours. British Liz: Yeah, well yes. Lindsey: So sometimes you might have to bring some emergency snacks. So I ha I'll do that from time to time. British Liz: Mm-hmm. Yes. KENT: Mm-hmm. British Liz: Yeah. And I mean we we always say that too. Plan out your day. No know what to expect. You know. Lindsey: But sometimes the most fun things that happen are the things that you don't plan. So also not overdoing the planning, 'cause I can be an over planner. British Liz: Mm. Yes. KENT: So all those spreadsheets with what what panel to go to and when to get the autographs and all that stuff. Lindsey: Yeah. KENT: That's always that's British Liz: My KENT: always fun. British Liz: Yeah. Well, I'd I'd like to talk about your documentary. I mean I'm I'm really jazzed about it and I really want to watch it. I saw the trailer, which let's see, can we put it up on there we go. There. The Just People doc. We can see the trailer on Instagram and it's it's interviews with Cosplayers, celebrities, I th think I saw an entrepreneur on there. Lindsey: Yeah, entrepreneur, an artist. I tried to cover as many of like the little fan areas as I could. KENT: Mm-hmm. Lindsey: 'cause they all kind of bring their own unique flavor to conventions. British Liz: Yeah, so how did you choose those people? Lindsey: so originally I created a form and I sent it out to like all my friends and everybody on Instagram and I was like, Hey, you know, these are the type of fans I'm looking for. Submit, you know, a story or like a bio about yourself and some unique things about you know what you do at conventions and then I kinda went through them all and then I tried to pick like the best people I thought would, you know, work best and yeah British Liz: Yeah, that's a a wonderful a wonderful selection you have, but I have to ask, you snagged the big one. You got Matthew Lillard to be one Lindsey: Yeah. British Liz: of your interviewees. How? How did you do that? Lindsey: That was such a weird so KENT: there's a story here. British Liz: I'm sure Lindsey: So with my other two actors, it was pretty easy to get in touch with them. But Matthew, he's a very busy guy. He's a very popular guy, and everybody wants KENT: Yeah. Lindsey: to work with him. So like I thought I had tried everything and tried to reach out to him different ways and like nothing was working. And so I kind of like gave up. I was like, it's okay, you know, it's not meant to be. and then I was on threads, and I just kind of made a post on there saying everybody's telling me that I need to get Matthew Lillard. And I was joking around, yeah, I

haven't tried that. And I guess he saw it and he responded to it. And he said, What's your film? British Liz: Okay. Lindsey: But I didn't get his response until four AM the next morning. My phone was blowing up of everybody on threads going, Wake up, wake up, he responded to you. Like, get back to him. And Yeah, British Liz: How amazing. Lindsey: and so yeah, then I pitched it to him and he was on board for it and I have to say he's a man of his word. Like everything he said he was gonna do, he did, and he was probably the easiest person to schedule for the interview. Like everything went surprisingly smoothly, so I'm I'm really happy about that. British Liz: but but that's such a coup. I mean KENT: Mm. British Liz: I mean him and then you've got Todd Stashwick from Star Trek Lindsey: Yeah, got taught. British Liz: and D Wallace, I think. Lindsey: Yeah, I got D but yeah. British Liz: That's amazing. So is go ahead. Good no, you go ahead. KENT: So did go ahead. Well, I I was gonna say that, you might have had assumptions about them going into filming it were those assumptions correct or did they debunk those assumptions and be a whole different person that you didn't think they would? Lindsey: do I think that they would be different than how I originally perceived them to be? KENT: Right. Lindsey: not really. I mean, I've I think out of all the actors, I was most comfortable with Todd because I had met him like two years ago at a convention, and so we kind of KENT: Right. Lindsey: were already like I kind of knew who he was. Dee I had never really met before. but of course, like Dee and Matthew were just They were both lovely and it was cool to hang out with them for an hour and talk to them and KENT: Mm-hmm. Lindsey: kind of hear them share their sides of con life and it kind of like changed my perception a little bit as far as like how I see celebrities at cons. KENT: Mm-hmm. Lindsey: especially as a press person. Like I know we're allowed to bring our cameras into the autograph areas and stand, you know, a certain distance from them and stuff like that. But anymore now I feel weird about doing that. And I don't know, I feel like it's it's always best to ask before you stick a camera in someone's face. And my whole thing is like KENT: Yes, it's the consent. British Liz: Absolutely. Lindsey: my whole thing is like I don't feel comfortable filming someone and then not knowing why I'm filming them. So if I can at least like get to them first and be like, hey, I'm gonna be roaming around, I might get you, I might not, like, are you cool with KENT: Right. Lindsey: that? KENT: Have you had some memorable interactions with the talent while you were covering them via press or filming them? Lindsey: I think some of my favorite memories are probably the ones that weren't captured on camera, which is also KENT: Course. Lindsey: a good advice for press people, is like every now and then put your camera down and experience the moment, because that's when magical things happen. So for instance, I was at Comic-Con Revolution in Ontario, and I'm a big fan of the show Smallville, and British Liz: yeah. Lindsey: they were doing a reunion there. And I was working the convention, shooting stuff for their social media. So they had me backstage at their panel. And they told me, hey, when the cast is done, I need you to wrangle these people and like interview them real quick. but as I was backstage, I was trying to like, you know, be small and invisible and be like, I'm not here, you know, I'm trying to work. And Michael Rosenbaum comes like right up to me in my face and he's like, Hey, how are you? Like, I saw you at our after hour show and like was making conversation and I was just like, you're talking British Liz: Ha. Lindsey: to me. But I thought that was cool. That like, you know, they were talking to me like I was an equal and like, I don't know, it's just just crazy to think about. The show that I grew up watching, I'm now like backstage filming them and I'm working with them at a con. Like this is really cool. British Liz: Which is one of the wonderful things working at cons as well. I mean, press or as volunteer or crew, you you get to have these wonderful interactions with people that you grew up watching, or that you're currently watching even. And Lindsey: Yeah. British Liz: I mean obviously they're not gonna be the same as their character, but they're still people and fun and wonderful and KENT: I don't know. There are some people like their characters. British Liz: chee chanchong. KENT: Yeah, dude. Yeah. there I there are some celebrities, it's just like, wow, you're not real you didn't really go too far out of your realm to act. It that's how you are. so it's funny. So you know, you're you're creating you're creating this documentary and and what was what was it that you changed for you? 'Cause you had done a lot of commercial corporate social media stuff for clients and they always have the final say. What was the moment where you knew that you had to stop executing other people's vision and direct your own story with just people? Lindsey: So after I had done all of like the commercial corporate stuff, I landed an office job and that's really what propelled me into taking my camera to conventions because I was no longer like shooting stuff really anymore. And I was like, KENT: Mm-hmm. Lindsey: I can't, you know, do this forever. Like I need you know, I need something to feed my soul. So I took my camera out and started doing convention stuff. And I think just being around You kinda find your community within that group. And that's what got me interested in learning more about the vendors and the artists and realizing that they all had stories to share. KENT: Mm-hmm. Lindsey: and yeah, like you said, just being the one in charge to like make those kind of creative decisions is always fun. It's fun, but it's a lot of work. KENT: It is, it is. And by by doing your own stuff, what did the

first day of directing feel like compared to your first day on one of your paid gigs? Lindsey: Well, I think so a lot for a lot of this documentary it's me running around by myself with the camera filming people. but KENT: Mm-hmm. Lindsey: for a lot of like the professional sit down interviews, I really wanted to work with a crew and bring other people in. People that were like specialized in, you know, lighting and camera and like stuff that I know like the basics of, but I really wanted to bring other people in. so that was kind of my first time really directing a crew and that aspect. but it was also kind of nice to like be present with the person I'm interviewing and let them like do all the other, you know, the the grunt work. KENT: Just like we're doing right now. British Liz: Ha ha ha. Lindsey: But yeah, it was kinda n it was kinda nice to see the payoff of all the work that they did leading up to the interview shoots, the organizing, the scheduling, the getting the locations and all that stuff. and then like the day of the interviews I could just like kinda sit back and let everybody else kinda do their thing and and just prepare for the interview. British Liz: So you've you've described just people as a a love letter to conventions. And I just think that's wonderful. I mean, I suppose in a way this podcast is kind of that too, because it's what we love and we just want to share peop share outcomes with people. what what do you feel what what have you taken away from these interviews? Lindsey: it sounds cliche to say, but everyone has a story and you don't know, you know, what someone's been through. So don't make assumptions about what you think you know about someone. Like, especially like on the celebrity side too. I feel like a lot of us, like, I found myself checking myself. Like, you know, I c I can sit here and say, yeah, I know what it's like to be a celebrity. I'm sure it's hard. But I'm not in Matthew Lillard's shoes. I don't know, you know, what it's like to be in the public eye. So it's made me stop thinking that way and being KENT: Mm-hmm. Lindsey: more more, I guess, empathetic, I guess, to actors at cons. and then like for the fan side of things, like just seeing the work that gets put into making a cosplay and like being a vendor, like my vendor Alex in this I didn't know this, but he has a full time job and he just does this on the side. And he said in in the movie he's like, Yeah, like the health benefits alone, like why wouldn't I British Liz: Ha ha ha. Lindsey: have a full time job? I don't think people always realize that, you know, everybody everybody's struggling and everybody's got like a side gig. KENT: Yeah, and you brought that up and and it was funny because I was in the airport today and so I was just when I'm there, it's my time to really scroll through social media real quick 'cause most of the other days I don't do it. And I had scrolled through and there was a post of Matthew Lillard and it was with one of

the big podcast stations and he said that, there was a point Where him and his wife had to have a talk and they had to sell their house and sell a lot of stuff because he hadn't been working for three years. And a lot of the our listeners, you know, they think, they're in Hollywood, they're acting, they're making a ton of money, but when they're not in the studio filming and they're not working, they're not getting paid. And and Matt actually said the Comic Cons is what saved him, they've restructured how they live so that way if anything should happen they can live in those means But beforehand, you know, at right after Scooby-Doo 2, he literally had no work for three years. I'm like, hearing that and seeing that and being firsthand as handlers, we hear a lot of that stuff. So yeah, we're very empathetic as well because again, I tell people, look, them being here at the show is this is their business. they're here to make money, just like you go to work to make your money, and this is how they're making their living right now because they're not in the studios. so with that being said, do you feel that a lot of the actors are very humble because of that or do you feel Where am I getting with this? I wanna just say, do you feel that the film industry has changed over the years? Lindsey: it definitely has. And I've heard from certain people I won't say who, but certain c convention managers say that a lot of like studios now are trying to get their fingers in the pie with conventions and they're trying to control not not control the actors, but like kind of. And KENT: Mm-hmm. Lindsey: I know a lot of people aren't a big fan of that 'cause they're like, well this is very lucr lucrative business and so that's like a whole other level of like Yeah, I don't know. Sorry, what was your question? British Liz: Yeah. KENT: Well, it it's just I I know Netflix and Amazon have changed the trajectory for actors. the residuals that used to be there are no longer there. and so a lot of people like our subscribers think that, they're an actor, they've made these big movies, they've got all these royalties coming in, but they don't. They they get one paycheck and that's it. And Whether it's a million dollars or a hundred thousand dollars, that's their check and that's what they gotta live on till the next gig. and with Netflix and Amazon, I feel you're seeing a transition in the industry where there's a lot of film yeah, film people or talent that were in movies that are transitioning to TV. So they might be an A list or on TV. or in the movies, but now they're the A lister on the TV show, which now bumps that A lister that was on TV to a B lister. So it's pushing the the pie down and now only allowing the A listers on movies to really get the big roles and everything like that, which then pushes everybody else down to get less work. Lindsey: Yeah. Well and what's strange too is now you're seeing well I guess that's I shouldn't say it's strange. I'm happy that they're doing conventions, but Kurt Russell is now doing conventions. KENT: Yes. Lindsey: all these, people that I consider like A listers, are now doing them. And so that's been interesting to see happening in the con space. KENT: Well, and then see, there's the good and bad of that too. Cause I I know Liz, we've talked about this numerous times. I've even shot her a couple of videos of actors talking about that, like how these big names are coming into these Comic Cons and it's pushing them out of the way so that they can't come to the show. And so now like people are like, Well, how come you're not at the show? Well, it's because Kurt Russell comes in. He's got a high guarantee. And the lower end of the spectrum doesn't get to be at the shows now. Yeah. British Liz: Or or they're there and nobody visits the table because they ran out of money. Which is sadly KENT: So yeah. British Liz: sadly seems to be happening when you've got the very high ticket autographs that you know, a lot of the bigger movie stars coming very high ticket. so that's it's difficult for the you know, voice actors or some of the perhaps more nostalgic guests, KENT: Mm-hmm. British Liz: you know, that that you you you might have gone there, only Kurt Russell was there, so we went to him instead. And then we didn't have anything left over. So it's it's it's kind of it is changing. with the the types of guests. Because now I think Nicolas Cage is starting to do more and more. I've seen him. Lindsey: Yeah, he's going to be at LA Comic Con this month. British Liz: Yeah. KENT: Yeah, he just did New York just this weekend. British Liz: Yeah. So that wasn't just a one off. Some of them feel like one offs. I don't know if Kurt Russell will make another appearance. I don't know. Is he? KENT: Two more. Yep. British Liz: Really? Where's he gonna be? KENT: I don't know. I just the rumors are he's got two more shows. Yeah. So British Liz: okay. KENT: yeah. So Lindsay, when you're not filming and and you're British Liz: Yeah, sorry. KENT: at a show, what it what is it that you enjoy doing? Are you a panel person? Are you more of like to go check out all the vendors? Are you a autograph hound like Liz here? What's what's your what's your fun at a Comic Con? Lindsey: so I love vendors but I spend a lot of time getting autographs. And it's not even so KENT: Okay. Lindsey: much getting the autograph, like I don't really care so much about collecting them. It's just I want to interact with people. And that's kind of the real really the only way to do it, because as you know, photo ops are super quick. but yeah Yeah KENT: Supposed to be British Liz: Yes, that's right. Well, yes, they they are. But you're right. If you if you want to have a chance at some kind of conversation, you pretty much have to buy an autograph in order to do it. I mean, that's kind of just the way it goes, right? Lindsey: Yeah, and at least in line for an autograph, you make make line friends with other people who are

fans of those people. So then that's also how, I used to I would go to conventions a lot by myself and then a lot KENT: Mm-hmm. Lindsey: of the friends I would make were basically con line friends that I see like every convention every year, so that's kinda fun. KENT: Okay. So you brought up the lines and standing in line. What one thing do you do in line to kill the time, but make the time go by because sometimes you stand in long lines and sometimes they're short. What's one thing that you do in line to make it fun and interactive? Or do you just ignore everybody and just look at your phone? Lindsey: I just disassociate. I st well it depends, because like I was at a convention and I was in a long line and we were kind of in the basement and there was no cell service. So nobody could be on their phones. So we were all just like zombies staring at the floor. So I did that for KENT: Huh. Lindsey: probably like two hours. British Liz: So so no line friends there then? Lindsey: No, I don't know. I think you just kinda have to power through the lines. KENT: Yeah. So would you say you're an introvert or an extrovert? Lindsey: introvert for sure. KENT: Okay. So what are some of your tips to surviving a convention as a socially awkward introvert? Lindsey: well, like I said earlier, like making sure you take breaks just to like recharge your social battery. KENT: Mm-hmm. Lindsey: but also like my thing with going to conventions is I wanted to get better at being less socially awkward, and by going to cons, it's like forcing me to talk to people. So I would say if you know you're self-conscious about being the weirdo in the room, just be yourself and talk to people and you'll meet other weirdos just like you. KENT: 'Cause everybody's the weirdo. Yeah, British Liz: Go ahead. KENT: we're all weirdos there. British Liz: And especially in line, 'cause you'll be in line you're for somebody, you're a fan of their work, and so is everybody else in the line. you've instantly got something in common, even if it's Lindsey: Yeah, and and two, if you have line friends, people can hold your spot so you can leave the line, go to the bathroom, get food. British Liz: Good point. And people have KENT: Is that what you guys do? I I've never done this. Lindsey: Yeah. British Liz: Yeah, yeah. Well it's it's nice 'cause you spend two or three hours sitting, standing next to someone. you're gonna KENT: Yeah yeah. British Liz: have some kind of conversation. KENT: Nah, I I've stood in a couple of lines like Hasbro and stuff and made friends to the point where my buddy Adam, I've known him over a decade now, and we met in the line at Hasbro for San Diego Comic Con. And every year we meet up in the Hasbro line. British Liz: Ha ha ha. KENT: well, I got so I I got more questions. I don't know about Liz, but Liz has probably got British Liz: no, I I I'm good. I actu you actually are some of the ones I had thought of. But KENT: wow, okay. British Liz: but I'm I am just fascinated by

the the stories that you hear from people in those different the different roles within comic comms, the attendee, the vendor, the celebrity. It's just Fascinating. I c can't wait for it to come out. When is it coming out, by the way? Lindsey: the goal is a beginning of next year, but I'm in post-production right now, I'm editing it, so I'm trying my best to get it. British Liz: so so you're done filming? Lindsey: I'm pretty sure there might be some filler stuff I go and shoot. British Liz: Mm-hmm. Lindsey: but the bulk of it is done. Cause I there's stuff I shot last year, but then there's three years worth of convention footage that I've gathered. So now it's just a matter of going through three years worth of stuff to plug it in. British Liz: That's wonderful. KENT: She said three years, Liz. Three years of filming. That's British Liz: That's amazing. KENT: a lot of editing. British Liz: That is. Lindsey: Yeah. British Liz: Wow. I well I'm really excited. can't wait to see it. KENT: So for me, in commercial and social media video, you control everything. lighting, scripts, takes but in a documentary, it's real life. it doesn't wait for you to get the shot. What has been the most humbling or unexpected lesson from producing a featured document where you can't just yell cut and then do it again? Lindsey: I think because I'm so used to a very structured format of video production, in my head KENT: Mm-hmm. Lindsey: I have a shot list and all this stuff, but when I'm like running around with my camera, sometimes I'll catch stuff last minute and I look back at the footage and I'm like, I don't like how that's framed, or the lighting news in the convention center is terrible. you know, I cut off like part of this interaction and it's if if I were to do this again, I'd probably just hit recording just leave it. running the whole time as opposed to stop and start because KENT: Mm-hmm. Lindsey: I feel like a lot of the stuff that you get is like stuff that happens that you're not expecting. And like I'm so used to being being a planner and scheduler and so that that spontaneity I think it does taught me to be more spontaneous with shooting. Whereas before I really wasn't I liked having structure. British Liz: So do you mean literally have the camera going the whole time you're there and you just Lindsey: Yeah. British Liz: even walking around and stuff? Lindsey: Yeah, so for instance, Alex, who's our vendor, the goal with him was for me to just hang out with him for the day and just film what's going on at his at his booth. and then at one point David Des Malchin came over to his booth and was shopping at his booth and I got that on camera and I was like, my god, I can't believe I actually got that. British Liz: Nice. Lindsey: But stuff like that that like Yeah, KENT: As she fumbles with the British Liz: Yeah Lindsey: is it in focus? he's blurry. But yeah, stuff like that, you can't plan. You just have to be quick and on your feet and make sure the camera's on and focused and recording. Sometimes, you might miss it. KENT: Listen, I totally understand that 'cause there's times we're at the tables and we're like, I should be recording this or I missed that opportunity. You're like, dang I wish I was recording this whole time. for you as a director, you spent a decade making videos designed to get attention like in 30 seconds. And now you're making something that's designed to hold the attention for like 90 minutes. How has that changed how you think about storytelling? Lindsey: Well, British Liz: Mm-hmm. Lindsey: I'm first of all, I'm glad I have really great interv interviewees that were really great at answering my questions. So they I I was able to like weave their responses kind of like back and forth between like the fans and the celebrities. So like right now I have pretty much the bulk of the story done. I have my beginning and I have my end. And so now I'm just KENT: Mm-hmm. Lindsey: trying to figure out like last minute tweaks to kind of tie it together a little bit. better than it currently is, but when I was making my questions I made sure to ask everybody similar questions but also different questions because I knew at some point I'd be like weaving them back and forth and Yeah, it's just a process of just watching a lot of the same clips over and over again until you figure out, grouping them and separating them and moving stuff around to see what fits best. KENT: Mm-hmm. Lindsey: But yeah, I'm pretty happy with how it's turning out. KENT: That's awesome. Well, I'm gonna ask all the questions. British Liz: Yeah. KENT: I because I I I did do some research and I I always find it interesting because you know, you're taking a lot of your time to film stuff and then put it together and and make this documentary that people want to watch. And when someone watches just people and walks out of the theater. or turns it off on TV, what's the one conversation you hope they're gonna have on their way home or in their living room after watching the film? Lindsey: Well, I feel like for the t two different audiences. So I would say for the fans, I hope their takeaway is to I mean not to say the name of the movie, but to really that they're just people. And then for people who don't go to conventions, who don't really get people like us that stand in line for hours to meet people, I hope they kind of get a better understanding of like why these spaces and these places mean a lot to us and the connections that we make with people. so that the next time someone's like, yeah, I spent, however much money on this autograph instead of them being like, Well, that's dumb, you shouldn't do that, that's a waste of money. They could be like, Well, okay, I kinda understand now why people do that stuff. KENT: Yeah, given a different eyes view on what people do. You know, it's just like I might not like Pokemon, but I know that there are collectors out there, there are traders out there, there are people that

are making six, seven figures selling and trading and doing all that stuff in that realm. And, you know, buy a documentary like yours on that w you know opens everybody's eyes to go. now I get it. Lindsey: And the tagline of my poster too is you've spent your money on dumber things. And I think that's British Liz: Ha ha. Lindsey: true. whether you like concerts, you spend money at for British Liz: Ha ha! Lindsey: concerts, sporting events, we're all the same nerd, just different genres. KENT: Yeah. British Liz: I that needs to be my life motto. Lindsey: Ha ha. KENT: Too funny. British Liz: that is a great byline. KENT: I love that's great. that's awesome. Lindsey: That was actually a British Liz: Ha ha. Lindsey: direct quote from one of our fans and I liked it so much I stole it. KENT: Better trademark it. British Liz: Perfect. Yes. Yes, it's perfect. KENT: Now, because you've you're creating this, you've had the story, your story told, and now I know you're editing it. In your mind, is there the next one? Are you already thinking about the next one? Because, like you said, I wish I would have just had the video recording the whole time. You know, it's a learning process. So you learned what to do and what not to do. Are you ready to take that into the next film and create that one too? Lindsey: I did just buy a new camera that I'm gonna be using for documentary stuff because for the interviews everything was like borrowed gear except for me at conventions running around with my camera on a gimbal. But KENT: Yeah, yeah. Lindsey: I bought a camera that I wanna do kind of like my own interviews. but I think if I do anything next, it'll probably be more short form for like social media. So I would really love to interview a lot of people that work behind the scenes in film and TV. because I do know a lot of people that are like stunt guys or directors, KENT: Yeah. Lindsey: producers and s and stuff, and like makeup artists. it'd be kind of cool to like do short little interviews with them and to have them talk about like their industries. KENT: Yeah, the day in the life of a makeup artist or the sound Lindsey: Yeah. KENT: boom guy or or stuntman and what what is it? they're all behind the scenes and we don't see it. We just sit to see the finished d scenes and editing done, but we don't get to see the behind the scenes on how it's all really put together. Lindsey: Yeah, and I I fangirl over behind the scenes people more than I do actors. Like directors, like I my favorite movie in the world is Jurassic Park. And I KENT: Mm. Lindsey: got to meet Dean Cundy, who's a cinematographer. And like British Liz: wow. Lindsey: I don't like get starstruck over people. And KENT: Mm-hmm. Lindsey: I didn't think I would with him, but like I met him on the Universal Backlot at Cine Gear Expo. And As I shook his hand, my hand was shaking. I was like, what? This has never happened to me before. It's so silly. KENT: it's always a good thing. Yeah. British Liz: But but

what a talent. But what a talent. and Lindsey: Yeah. British Liz: it it's in your field, so yeah. Lindsey: Yeah, and he's a camera person, so I'm just like, You're you have the job that I wish I had. I guess I am doing that job, just different. KENT: Yeah, they started just like you. Yeah. And and they had British Liz: Yeah, yeah. KENT: to ha you can't be their position right away. You gotta build into that. And that's what I like about this. And you had mentioned that you had borrowed a lot of equipment to do this. Is that advice that you would give somebody that's going into wanting to create their own documentary? do you would you recommend them? Go and buy all the equipment. Would you recommend renting it? What advice would you give somebody that wants to be a director or create a documentary and how can you help them? Lindsey: I would say before you do anything for yourself and you want to work with other people, volunteer on some of their projects first. Because a lot of the crew members that I got were people onset of a Dungeons and Dragons show that I helped shoot behind the scenes stuff for. And I borrowed their cinematographer and their camera operator. And then their camera operator had a friend who's an audio engineer. So I just was like pulling people from that. set basically and they were super kind enough to be like hey I have all this gear and you know we can use it for the interviews and so I would say British Liz: That's marvellous. Lindsey: work on other people's sets and try to make genuine connections with people don't make it about yourself and KENT: Mm-hmm. Lindsey: and also it's a good way to see if you'll British Liz: But also Yeah. Lindsey: mesh well with the different personalities. So like that was one thing British Liz: It also just just sor no, go ahead. Lindsey: no. So that was one thing I didn't have to worry about on set was worrying about like, all these different people working together and some of them like hadn't worked together before. But everyone meshed pretty well and so I'm happy that that they were nice enough to lend their time 'cause a lot of them do work like in the film industry and KENT: Mm-hmm. Lindsey: some of them turned down paid gigs to help with some of the interviews. So super grateful that they they did that. Yeah. KENT: wow. That's that's a blessing right there. Yeah. British Liz: that's really kind. KENT: That's awesome. Well, British Liz: Well the KENT: go ahead, Liz. British Liz: well I was just gonna say, working on other people's projects is a great way to learn yourself as well. Meeting people, yes, but just learning different ways of getting the job done, you know. Lindsey: Yeah. British Liz: Just I wouldn't have done it that way, but I see how it works for them, you know, that whole just learning. It's and then that you had the added bonus of having the you made friends and very generous friends as well. Lindsey: Yeah. Yeah. KENT: Yep, my mentor always says, it's not what you know,

it's who you know and how you treat them. Lindsey: Yeah. British Liz: Ooh. KENT: Ooh yeah, see a little deep n little nugget just dropped on Liz right there. British Liz: Yeah. I should probably treat you better then, huh? Lindsey: Ha ha ha. British Liz: no, you should treat me better. You should treat me better. KENT: It's it's not gonna change. No, no, it's not gonna change. Lindsey: Well KENT: my goodness. So go ahead. Lindsey: So that that sorry. I'll say that also That's a a good way to like save money if it's like your first time trying to do anything. but also like even when I didn't have crew to work with, we KENT: Mm-hmm. Lindsey: had different cameras. Like I had my own camera we would shoot with, my friend would have his camera we would shoot with. So ideally you wanna shoot everything with the same camera, but we just weren't able to do that. And renting stuff's expensive, so we had to work with what we had at our disposal. KENT: Mm. British Liz: Is is it really noticeable? As you edit it together? Lindsey: no. KENT: nowadays everybody's got a cell phone. I there have been films done just on the camera on the cell phone. So I think that I don't know. You probably have a better eye on that than I do, but British Liz: Ha. KENT: kid's documentary on his cell phone, that's about it. Lindsey: Yeah, c all the cameras are pretty good nowadays. So you can KENT: Yeah. Lindsey: kinda color match them. 'Cause a lot of the stuff we were shooting like raw. So no matter what camera we were using, it's easy to to I mean, I haven't gotten into color grading yet, which that's something else I might have to like outsource someone to do for me 'cause I'm not that great at it. British Liz: Now what does that mean? Lindsey: So it'll we shoot it in like it makes the footage look washed out, but it gives you more detail when you go to color it later and it's basically just color correcting it. British Liz: Okay. KENT: So if you're looking on the YouTube video right now, Lindsay's is a little darker, yours is medium, I'm very bright and stuff, and British Liz: Mm-hmm. KENT: that coloring would make us all the same tone. Lindsey: Yeah. British Liz: okay. KENT: So basically it makes it look like the lighting is the same for everybody, no matter where we're at. British Liz: Okay. Lindsey: Yeah. KENT: Yeah. Was there and this is probably my last question because I know I ask a lot. British Liz: Ha ha KENT: what's the real unglamorous truth about producing an indie documentary in 2026 that no one tells you on YouTube? Lindsey: How difficult it is to actually successfully crowdfund. I feel like we see a lot of people on these sites and they're being like, you know, my goal was, you know, 50,000 and I made like a hundred thousand or we raised, you know, however much. But I've tried this now twice. I st I did Kickstarter at the beginning, and I think my goal then was like twenty thousand. I think we only got like three thousand. KENT: Mm. Lindsey: So I didn't make meet that. And so then I started a Kofi or Coffee, which is basically like people can donate, but I added incentives to it. Yeah. A coffee account. British Liz: Yeah. Lindsey: Well, you know what? The to donate to donate, KENT: I need a coffee account. British Liz: Ha ha ha. Lindsey: people hit click. You can click buy me a coffee. Like they literally KENT: yeah, yeah. Lindsey: have that tagline on there. so I've raised a little bit of money through that. and then most of it is just myself and luckily I have a job that pays okay British Liz: Ha ha ha. KENT: Mm-hmm. Lindsey: and a savings. So I've been using a lot of that. and then I tried doing Indiegogo to for like post production to see if I could raise money for that. And then that also didn't really take off. So I was like, all right. So yeah, I think if someone is gonna try to do this for the first time, have a savings KENT: Mm-hmm. Lindsey: and you know I thought I was doing everything right. I was trying to I was paying for like the Google ads to run ads, doing ads on social media and YouTube and stuff like that. But yeah, it's hard to market yourself. If you don't have a big following, 'cause I don't have one. KENT: That is true. It's it's if it was easy everybody would be doing it. Lindsey: Yeah. British Liz: Yeah. KENT: Well, awesome. I know our time is getting sh cut short here because I mean, look at look at the time. It's already been flying through. if British Liz: wow. KENT: you're looking on our YouTube channel, the filming project is where they can find you on YouTube, correct? British Liz: Film girl. Film Lindsey: Yes, Film Girl Project. British Liz: Yeah. KENT: The film girl, sorry. And what's British Liz: And also KENT: what are you showing? Just people dock. If you are looking for Lindsey: Yes, for that's our film. British Liz: That's the documentary. KENT: Instagram, yeah. So go to Instagram, look for just people dock. That way you can find out what we've been talking about. any other British Liz: Add KENT: place they should go to, Lindsay? Lindsey: Filmgirl Project on Instagram. That's like my personal Instagram account. but yeah, just I'll be on Instagram posting updates and British Liz: Okay. KENT: Yeah. British Liz: And we'll put the links in the comments in our YouTube once KENT: Course we will. British Liz: it's once it's posted. So yeah, Lindsey: Thank you. British Liz: so we're very excited to see it in the new year. So KENT: Yeah, maybe Lindsey: I'm excited KENT: there'll be a red carpet. Lindsey: to see it all finished too. KENT: Maybe there'll be a red carpet. We'll have to go watch the whole thing. Lindsey: I am planning on doing a small screening at a theater for KENT: nice. British Liz: Ooh. Lindsey: friends and family, so you guys are invited. Yeah. KENT: I know the stash where I British Liz: But prob probably in California, right? Well I don't know. Maybe we'll crowdfund an airline ticket to get out there, shall we? Shall we, Ken? Lindsey: the other plan

KENT: Yes. Lindsey: too was to submit to festivals and sometimes conventions have festivals built into them. So maybe I'll British Liz: they do? Yeah. Lindsey: come to a con that you guys are at and you can see it there. British Liz: Absolutely. KENT: There you go. That would be awesome. See, that's a good way British Liz: That would be fun. KENT: to get your documentary out there is they ask the different promoters of different Comic Cons if you could debut your film at the Comic Cons and then it gets the the attendees something to do and then it also gets the word out there as well. Lindsey: Yeah, that's British Liz: That's right. Lindsey: the plan, hopefully. Fingers crossed. KENT: Yeah, well, see. British Liz: Well, absolut keep us posted or you really want to know when it comes out, how we can see it, and hopefully we can see it at the con as well. Lindsey: Not too KENT: Awesome. Any last words you wanna sh any la last minute tips you wanna share with our subscriber? Lindsey: Subscriber. You have more than one subscriber. KENT: Yeah, we have we have one. We got one subscriber. British Liz: One confirmed Lindsey: subscribe to Con Conversations with Coffee if you haven't. KENT: That's good. There you go. I l like that episode. All right. I got ten dollars right here. British Liz: That's great advice. I love that advice. Well, thank you. Lindsey: And if you see these guys out of if you see these guys out of con, be sure to go bother them. British Liz: There we KENT: Yes. British Liz: go. KENT: And we're easily bothered, aren't we? British Liz: Yeah. KENT: Lindsay stopped by several times when we were in Vegas. not to bother me, Lindsey: my god. I KENT: but just to talk with Todd and S Terry and those guys. Lindsey: I told him after the fact I like a couple days later I go, Hey, sorry for doing so many drive bys. I go, I was weird weirding myself out. British Liz: Ha ha ha. KENT: He's all good with that. Lindsey: It's a small con, there's not really a whole lot to do there. British Liz: Ha ha KENT: True. And you're not the only one. Everybody does it. So that's awesome. And that's the fun part of doing these cons is you get to know different people that come to the tables and talk with the talent and stuff. And that's how I got to meet you and know about your project. And we're all about comic cons. So I was like, We've got to have you on here to talk about it. So yay, we got it done. And then once British Liz: Yay. Yeah. Well thank you so much, Lindsay. KENT: yeah, once you launch it, we Love to have you come back and hear how things went and yeah, how the whole experience was. British Liz: yeah. Definitely. Lindsey: Yeah, I would love to. KENT: Well is British Liz: Well yes. KENT: Yeah. British Liz: Thank you so much, Lindsay, for for taking the time to talk to us and all the all Lindsey: Thank you for having me. British Liz: the very KENT: Yeah. British Liz: best for just people documentary. KENT: Awesome. Well, there you go, guys. like and subscribe if you aren't yet, so you can hear all the up-to-date stuff about just people. And get to hear our next segment of conversations with coffee. I'm your host Kent and this is British. British Liz: Liz Lindsey: And she's real, she's not fake. KENT: She's not fake today. She's she's actual, but she's British Liz: I am I am an actual person, is true. KENT: she's fake. She's online. British Liz: Ha ha. KENT: Well, we appreciate you guys. Thank you so much for listening. We look forward to seeing you on the next episode. Have an amazing day. Bye.