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a noir, but in color. like a like 00:02:22.840 --> 00:02:27.500 a 1950s sort of thing or even like a old comic 00:02:27.500 --> 00:02:30.860 book sort of thing like uh i think back to like 00:02:30.860 --> 00:02:33.259 amazing spider -man and they used to have those 00:02:33.259 --> 00:02:37.300 panels that were just uh like primary colors 00:02:37.300 --> 00:02:40.180 in lieu of detailed backgrounds sometimes like 00:02:40.180 --> 00:02:41.900 sometimes the backgrounds weren't that detailed 00:02:41.900 --> 00:02:43.840 but it was just like really bright saturated 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:47.319 colors from the 40s to the 60s and it this kind 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:50.610 of reminds me of that not that it was Not detailed, 00:02:50.669 --> 00:02:52.189 but just the color choices. It's the way the 00:02:52.189 --> 00:02:54.129 colors are, yeah. Yeah, it was just very bright. 00:02:54.509 --> 00:02:58.930 Think about like Batman in Detective Comics. 00:02:59.289 --> 00:03:02.729 Like, okay, in that era, movie detectives were 00:03:02.729 --> 00:03:06.969 black and white and like noir -ish is what we 00:03:06.969 --> 00:03:10.289 associate. But in comic books, detective stories 00:03:10.289 --> 00:03:12.610 existed too, and they were very bright and colorful. 00:03:12.810 --> 00:03:15.949 So this is kind of playing on conventions of 00:03:15.949 --> 00:03:18.689 the era that these characters were made from. 00:03:19.539 --> 00:03:21.639 In an interesting way. So I kind of like the 00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:23.560 option to have it black and white and color. 00:03:24.139 --> 00:03:28.460 It does work both ways. And what did you watch 00:03:28.460 --> 00:03:32.360 it in? I watched it in black and white. I watched 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:35.319 about six out of eight in black and white. And 00:03:35.319 --> 00:03:38.699 I watched about two in color. Just to try it 00:03:38.699 --> 00:03:42.699 out. I couldn't do it. I watched the trailer 00:03:42.699 --> 00:03:47.719 in color just to see. And I was like, yeah, the 00:03:47.719 --> 00:03:50.919 style is cool. but the black and white's cooler 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:54.580 yeah i feel like i watched color at a bad time 00:03:54.580 --> 00:03:56.639 because i watched it in the afternoon like the 00:03:56.639 --> 00:03:59.259 sun was kind of glaring on my tv and for some 00:03:59.259 --> 00:04:02.340 reason it seemed darker to me like it was very 00:04:02.340 --> 00:04:06.879 colorful but for some reason the lighting just 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:10.680 obscured more maybe that was just a my tv issue 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:13.580 pretty sure that's because it was shot for black 00:04:13.580 --> 00:04:16.519 and white yeah like on black and white the contrasts 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:19.769 came out a lot more i never had a problem any 00:04:19.769 --> 00:04:21.970 time of day watching the show in black and white 00:04:21.970 --> 00:04:23.790 and like wow everything popped it looks gorgeous 00:04:23.790 --> 00:04:27.910 but in color it nearly seemed obscured sometimes 00:04:27.910 --> 00:04:31.209 well when you shoot for black and white you you 00:04:31.209 --> 00:04:34.209 already know automatically you've got strong 00:04:34.209 --> 00:04:36.790 contrast so you don't need to shoot with high 00:04:36.790 --> 00:04:41.029 contrast really well it depends on the the shot 00:04:41.029 --> 00:04:44.589 but yeah for the most part but that's why i think 00:04:44.589 --> 00:04:49.430 the color version kind of The separation between 00:04:49.430 --> 00:04:53.790 the characters in the background isn't as strong, 00:04:53.889 --> 00:04:59.509 I find. And I think that probably comes down 00:04:59.509 --> 00:05:01.750 to the fact that they were like, yes, we're shooting 00:05:01.750 --> 00:05:05.069 for black and white. Yeah. I also found the special 00:05:05.069 --> 00:05:08.329 effects look better in black and white. Maybe 00:05:08.329 --> 00:05:11.550 it's just because I'm overused to seeing superhero 00:05:11.550 --> 00:05:14.800 action set pieces in color. And it's obviously 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:17.939 a lower budget Spider -Man project. Not that 00:05:17.939 --> 00:05:22.800 it's low budget, but it's clearly not movie level 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:24.899 budget. But when you put it in black and white, 00:05:25.019 --> 00:05:27.300 it kind of hides those blemishes a little bit 00:05:27.300 --> 00:05:31.899 more. And it feels more true to the world, more 00:05:31.899 --> 00:05:34.800 immersive, I'll say, in black and white that 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:40.180 way. And one thing I really appreciate about 00:05:40.180 --> 00:05:42.339 this show is just the filmmaking craft in general. 00:05:43.080 --> 00:05:46.500 I'm used to a lot of things just being disposable 00:05:46.500 --> 00:05:50.800 media. And I would think, okay, well, Sony's 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:53.000 just rushing out a spider noir show. It's something 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:56.040 weird, something to try, fine, whatever. But 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:59.079 this show actually had a lot of thought put into 00:05:59.079 --> 00:06:04.860 its craft from the framing choices and the blocking 00:06:04.860 --> 00:06:07.540 and the camera movements. The visual storytelling 00:06:07.540 --> 00:06:12.040 was very well handled on this show. The people 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:14.439 behind the scenes were actually giving thought 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:16.959 to every choice, and I could tell that. I'm like, 00:06:17.060 --> 00:06:19.779 oh, wow, I don't have to casually turn my brain 00:06:19.779 --> 00:06:21.759 off. I can actually critique this thing as a, 00:06:21.779 --> 00:06:24.699 wow, you were making choices that I could tell 00:06:24.699 --> 00:06:26.980 were pushing your story forward. Even if you 00:06:26.980 --> 00:06:29.759 turn your brain off, it just looks good. Yeah. 00:06:30.620 --> 00:06:33.819 It's a style I really like. I don't know. I always, 00:06:33.860 --> 00:06:37.980 that was one thing

is closest to the... The most 00:06:37.980 --> 00:06:40.199 modern thing I can think of that was close is 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:42.939 like the first Thor. The first Thor movie, I 00:06:42.939 --> 00:06:44.759 mean, it did the same thing with its Dutch angles 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:48.399 and everything. It had a style to it and it looked, 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:52.319 I don't know, it's just a great way of filming. 00:06:52.500 --> 00:06:56.600 Like, why do we want to look at movies where 00:06:56.600 --> 00:07:00.879 you're just looking the same way you'd be looking? 00:07:01.019 --> 00:07:04.579 Like, it looks like real life, except maybe there's 00:07:04.579 --> 00:07:09.649 something. The content in the movie is super 00:07:09.649 --> 00:07:15.269 and not realistic or whatever. But you're looking 00:07:15.269 --> 00:07:18.709 at it from plain realistic angles. Why are we 00:07:18.709 --> 00:07:22.310 afraid of strange angles? There's a difference 00:07:22.310 --> 00:07:25.889 between just showing us the information and using 00:07:25.889 --> 00:07:30.829 camera techniques and blocking and framing to 00:07:30.829 --> 00:07:35.129 communicate a story. And I think that's what 00:07:35.129 --> 00:07:37.490 a lot of things are missing. You're just shooting 00:07:37.490 --> 00:07:40.350 for coverage, basically, and letting a lot of 00:07:40.350 --> 00:07:42.449 the script and the actors do the work for better 00:07:42.449 --> 00:07:44.889 or for worse, and the editor as well, trying 00:07:44.889 --> 00:07:47.569 to piece it together. But this felt like there 00:07:47.569 --> 00:07:51.449 was a plan. It felt like every time they zoomed 00:07:51.449 --> 00:07:55.230 the camera in or dollied or panned somewhere, 00:07:55.370 --> 00:08:00.189 that it was part of the story. It was... It was 00:08:00.189 --> 00:08:02.649 trying to tell me something about a character's 00:08:02.649 --> 00:08:06.490 mindset or the world or communicating something 00:08:06.490 --> 00:08:10.089 the dialogue wasn't. Like, like with Dutch angles 00:08:10.089 --> 00:08:13.350 even. I'm like, okay, it's all right. It's a 00:08:13.350 --> 00:08:15.870 little off kilter. Something, something's weird 00:08:15.870 --> 00:08:18.129 here. I'm supposed to feel a bit unsettled here. 00:08:19.529 --> 00:08:22.029 Or like, I remember like when he was watching 00:08:22.029 --> 00:08:24.709 Cat Hardy at the dance, the first time he saw 00:08:24.709 --> 00:08:29.269 her perform and is like. like zooming in on their 00:08:29.269 --> 00:08:31.089 faces. I'm like, okay, so the camera's creating 00:08:31.089 --> 00:08:34.690 a connection here between the two of them. It's 00:08:34.690 --> 00:08:36.870 like the world is kind of fading out around him 00:08:36.870 --> 00:08:39.669 and he's focused on her and the camera's kind 00:08:39.669 --> 00:08:41.889 of zooming in on him. We can see his mindset 00:08:41.889 --> 00:08:46.029 and it's like all the filmmaking craft blending 00:08:46.029 --> 00:08:51.230 together in a satisfying way I don't normally 00:08:51.230 --> 00:08:56.840 see. As far as... Stuff like special effects 00:08:56.840 --> 00:09:02.460 goes, I think it's, the CGI is mostly passable. 00:09:02.519 --> 00:09:04.879 The swinging is a bit uncanny valley. That's 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:09.100 about the only thing I was like, ah, okay. I 00:09:09.100 --> 00:09:14.100 think that was because the first, the first, 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:20.320 the very first swing, I was like, ooh, uh, but 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:25.779 it's because it's so contrasting to the style 00:09:25.779 --> 00:09:29.399 they're they're providing that could also be 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:32.259 where you know you're feeling like the the old 00:09:32.259 --> 00:09:34.759 detective movies but then all of a sudden you've 00:09:34.759 --> 00:09:39.120 got modern superhero cgi stuff going on you're 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:43.220 like it's a little bit jarring but i got used 00:09:43.220 --> 00:09:47.720 to it after after a little bit yeah i i can definitely 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:50.980 understand that but that was something i thought 00:09:50.980 --> 00:09:53.340 they did really well is that they really really 00:09:53.340 --> 00:09:58.950 nailed that that style of film yeah that atmosphere 00:09:58.950 --> 00:10:04.389 with even like the dialogue uh the pacing basically 00:10:04.389 --> 00:10:06.710 everything they did you're sitting there you're 00:10:06.710 --> 00:10:12.289 like other than the cgi and that it the the camera 00:10:12.289 --> 00:10:18.309 looks a little bit sharper other than that if 00:10:18.309 --> 00:10:20.710 you put some heavy film grain on there and didn't 00:10:20.710 --> 00:10:23.190 tell someone it was a spider -man show Yeah. 00:10:23.250 --> 00:10:25.990 You'd probably be like, okay. Without the CGI, 00:10:26.169 --> 00:10:29.490 like if you're going to show, what's his name? 00:10:29.509 --> 00:10:32.370 The mob boss guy. If you throw one of those scenes 00:10:32.370 --> 00:10:38.110 in where it's just him and Hardy, even when Sandman's, 00:10:38.110 --> 00:10:39.950 you know, kind of there, the effects aren't like, 00:10:40.090 --> 00:10:43.970 it's nothing. It's nothing. It looks like a bad 00:10:43.970 --> 00:10:46.590 guy with old facial scars. Yeah. Makeup on there 00:10:46.590 --> 00:10:50.909 or something. Yeah. And it looks, I think with. 00:10:51.340 --> 00:10:54.600 heavier film grain on there or a little bit of 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:58.059 blurring maybe it would look you wouldn't even 00:10:58.059 --> 00:11:00.299 know you would it wouldn't even be out of place 00:11:00.299 --> 00:11:03.940 from the movies that they're trying to play on 00:11:03.940 --> 00:11:06.340 and i have seen that critique before they say 00:11:06.340 --> 00:11:09.919 some people prefer the color because they say 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:11.960 okay well i can't watch it in black and white 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:14.620 because it's too crisp it

takes me out of what 00:11:14.620 --> 00:11:16.399 they're trying to do i can't imagine this is 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:18.840 an old movie because it looks too modern and 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:22.350 clean So that is something people say in favor 00:11:22.350 --> 00:11:26.429 of the color. I disagree. Yeah, but I think that's 00:11:26.429 --> 00:11:30.490 the thing is that you know that it's not, you 00:11:30.490 --> 00:11:33.269 know it's modern. Yeah. You know it's modern, 00:11:33.409 --> 00:11:35.590 but they're trying to emulate the style. It's 00:11:35.590 --> 00:11:38.470 not. Yeah. It's like what Stranger Things does, 00:11:38.750 --> 00:11:42.230 okay? We know it's modern. We know it's not the 00:11:42.230 --> 00:11:45.889 80s. It's a suspension of disbelief, but we also 00:11:45.889 --> 00:11:49.779 want modern effects and modern stylings. Yep. 00:11:49.820 --> 00:11:52.039 You're trying to get the feeling across and not, 00:11:52.100 --> 00:11:56.179 you're not trying to copy it. No, it's not supposed 00:11:56.179 --> 00:11:58.379 to be a one -for -one. If they wanted to do one 00:11:58.379 --> 00:12:00.179 -for -one with the old movies, they could do 00:12:00.179 --> 00:12:05.539 that. But it's not. Yeah. Why? I mean, there's 00:12:05.539 --> 00:12:09.120 a reason those styles changed. I mean, the cinematic 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:12.519 language has just evolved over time. If you're 00:12:12.519 --> 00:12:14.720 trying to make a movie like they made it 80 years 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:18.940 ago, you're probably making a worse movie. in 00:12:18.940 --> 00:12:22.500 a lot of ways just because well you're handicapping 00:12:22.500 --> 00:12:25.139 yourself basically well yeah i mean like those 00:12:25.139 --> 00:12:27.240 movies were still inventing a lot of the language 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:31.460 like they even like color and and sound were 00:12:31.460 --> 00:12:35.860 in some cases barely like they barely knew how 00:12:35.860 --> 00:12:38.620 to incorporate that like in the first sound films 00:12:38.620 --> 00:12:42.379 they basically had to stand in place because 00:12:42.379 --> 00:12:43.980 they they couldn't they couldn't move around 00:12:43.980 --> 00:12:45.480 because they didn't know how to get the microphones 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:48.080 moving it's like That's why in some cases, some 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:49.879 people say, oh, silent films were better than 00:12:49.879 --> 00:12:53.940 early talkies because they knew how to move around. 00:12:54.139 --> 00:12:56.799 They weren't allowed to use blocking. Yeah. Like 00:12:56.799 --> 00:12:59.480 their blocking was, you stay here. Yeah, that 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:02.440 was exactly it. Or even when they got further, 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:08.059 lead actors, they'd have their, lead actors could 00:13:08.059 --> 00:13:09.860 move, but the background characters needed to 00:13:09.860 --> 00:13:12.700 stay in place. Yeah. Like every era of cinema 00:13:12.700 --> 00:13:16.629 is made with constraints of the time. So to do 00:13:16.629 --> 00:13:19.389 that, like you said, you're trying to handicap 00:13:19.389 --> 00:13:23.330 yourself for no reason. Tell a story with modern 00:13:23.330 --> 00:13:28.549 cinematic techniques, but it's inspired by 80 00:13:28.549 --> 00:13:31.210 years ago, obviously. Yeah. And I think they 00:13:31.210 --> 00:13:34.450 did that really well. I think they brought the 00:13:34.450 --> 00:13:36.929 best of both worlds into it. They brought that 00:13:36.929 --> 00:13:41.289 style because it matched. Basically, the parts 00:13:41.289 --> 00:13:44.330 they used matched the character. They didn't 00:13:44.330 --> 00:13:47.159 match. The film, the only thing they did was 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:50.259 they did black and white, but otherwise it was 00:13:50.259 --> 00:13:53.799 more matching. The character was the way that 00:13:53.799 --> 00:13:58.340 the way the characters talk the way, but that 00:13:58.340 --> 00:14:01.659 was the style for it. So really it's not as much 00:14:01.659 --> 00:14:06.860 of a, I mean, it's not as much of a filming choice, 00:14:07.139 --> 00:14:10.539 but it's a like, yeah, the character's choice, 00:14:10.620 --> 00:14:13.620 but It's you're trying to. Yeah. Yeah. You're 00:14:13.620 --> 00:14:15.159 trying to bring in the world and you're using 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:18.059 some techniques that people associate with film 00:14:18.059 --> 00:14:21.440 noir to kind of immerse you better. It's like 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:24.179 it's like trying to think of Spider -Verse where 00:14:24.179 --> 00:14:26.360 you're like, OK, if you imagine this character 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:29.840 of Spider -Noir in his universe, we're bringing 00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:33.039 modern filming techniques to this universe. This 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:35.279 is what it would look like. Yeah. That's the 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:38.360 way it comes across to me. Yeah. Is that, oh, 00:14:38.379 --> 00:14:40.899 in Spider -Noir's universe, you. You can imagine 00:14:40.899 --> 00:14:43.259 no matter what modern camera you bring, it's 00:14:43.259 --> 00:14:44.799 going to be black and white because the universe 00:14:44.799 --> 00:14:47.179 is black and white. It's going to, you know, 00:14:47.179 --> 00:14:48.860 the people are going to talk this way because 00:14:48.860 --> 00:14:51.500 that's the way they talk. So to me, that that 00:14:51.500 --> 00:14:55.899 was the that was what I got from it is that I 00:14:55.899 --> 00:14:58.279 felt like it was like taking a camera and putting 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:03.000 it in Spider Noir's universe. Yeah, I like that 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:06.539 idea. I also should iterate just for the people 00:15:06.539 --> 00:15:08.980 who are going to attack me in the comments. I 00:15:08.980 --> 00:15:11.600 don't necessarily think all modern filmmaking 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:16.899 is better, but I do think that a movie well -made

00:15:16.899 --> 00:15:22.220 today is probably... It can do more things than 00:15:22.220 --> 00:15:24.519 a movie could 80 years ago. A well -made movie 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:27.940 80 years ago is still topping over most of the 00:15:27.940 --> 00:15:31.679 slop that they put out today. Most things don't 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:34.539 try hard enough. Well, but you got the same guys 00:15:34.539 --> 00:15:39.279 from... Spielberg is still... If you were to 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:42.279 ask Spielberg to be like, is it, can you make 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:45.200 better movies now or back then? He would say 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:47.799 now, would he not? Oh yeah. All those guys are 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:50.379 always trailblazers like Spielberg, Scorsese, 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:53.259 Coppola. Of course they'd be like, yeah, we have 00:15:53.259 --> 00:15:56.620 more options. It's just the movies people are 00:15:56.620 --> 00:15:59.299 making right now aren't necessarily as good. 00:15:59.539 --> 00:16:02.200 I think James Cameron's a great example of he's 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:05.100 never one to rest on his laurels. He's always 00:16:05.100 --> 00:16:08.740 trying to push technology forward. Say what you 00:16:08.740 --> 00:16:10.740 will about the Avatar movies, but they're some 00:16:10.740 --> 00:16:13.539 of the best looking movies out there now. Like 00:16:13.539 --> 00:16:15.720 I was just there was a guy next to me on my way 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:18.620 back from Vancouver on the plane and he was watching 00:16:18.620 --> 00:16:21.700 Avatar Fire and Ash. And I got mixed opinions 00:16:21.700 --> 00:16:24.259 about that movie. But even on an airplane screen, 00:16:24.460 --> 00:16:26.360 I'm like, frick, this movie looks good. Yeah. 00:16:26.980 --> 00:16:29.019 James Cameron knows how to make good looking 00:16:29.019 --> 00:16:33.700 movies. And his movies, I think, are probably 00:16:33.700 --> 00:16:36.919 better looking now than Terminator in 1984. He's 00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:40.139 just. He got better at his craft. He has more 00:16:40.139 --> 00:16:43.100 tools. That's exactly it. But that's why. If 00:16:43.100 --> 00:16:45.759 you ask any one of those guys, of course they'll 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:48.779 say that making a movie now is better. Yeah. 00:16:48.899 --> 00:16:53.399 Of course. Because... You can just do more. You 00:16:53.399 --> 00:16:57.000 can do more. There's more accessible. The imagination's 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:59.919 the limit, really. Yeah. Which is part of the 00:16:59.919 --> 00:17:03.139 problem. Some people over -crutch on, oh, we 00:17:03.139 --> 00:17:05.119 can fix it in post. Just green screen everything. 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:09.210 We can... We can fill it out later. But I think 00:17:09.210 --> 00:17:11.410 this is a good example of a show that uses modern 00:17:11.410 --> 00:17:14.890 tools and was clearly planned. It didn't look 00:17:14.890 --> 00:17:18.089 like overly green screen. It

looked like they 00:17:18.089 --> 00:17:22.069 built out sets and costumes and had like old 00:17:22.069 --> 00:17:25.990 style cars and bar rooms. Like they built out 00:17:25.990 --> 00:17:28.769 their sets and created an entire world around 00:17:28.769 --> 00:17:31.769 these characters. It just felt like a team that 00:17:31.769 --> 00:17:35.660 was actually trying in all regards. And that's 00:17:35.660 --> 00:17:41.460 why it excels. So I had a thought when we were 00:17:41.460 --> 00:17:44.559 talking about film tropes. So this is a bit of 00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:47.839 a thought spiral. So I was thinking of noir tropes 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:50.059 and one of the big tropes is the femme fatale. 00:17:50.839 --> 00:17:54.500 And the femme fatale in this show is Cat Hardy. 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:59.259 And it didn't clue in for embarrassingly long 00:17:59.259 --> 00:18:02.900 that, oh, this is this universe's take on Black 00:18:02.900 --> 00:18:06.549 Cat. I'm like, wait, Kat, I'm like, Hardy. But 00:18:06.549 --> 00:18:09.130 I didn't quite. Because I was like, I'm like, 00:18:09.130 --> 00:18:12.730 Hardy, Felicia, Felicia Hardy, Kat, Hart, son 00:18:12.730 --> 00:18:15.609 of a. I just got that right now. Are you kidding 00:18:15.609 --> 00:18:21.269 me? Love interest to Spider -Man, son of a. I 00:18:21.269 --> 00:18:23.329 had the thought like partway through, I'm like, 00:18:23.430 --> 00:18:26.789 Kat, maybe it's supposed to be like Black Kat. 00:18:26.930 --> 00:18:28.849 I don't know. Yeah, that's who she's supposed 00:18:28.849 --> 00:18:30.470 to be. Oh man, I didn't even think about that. 00:18:31.720 --> 00:18:34.440 I mean, some are obvious. I mean, you kept Sandman's 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:36.359 name, Flint Marco. I'm like, okay, I know who 00:18:36.359 --> 00:18:40.019 that is. Right off the bat. I know who Sandman 00:18:40.019 --> 00:18:42.940 is. Even Robbie Robertson took me a minute because 00:18:42.940 --> 00:18:46.079 I'm like, I'm not super familiar with Spider 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:47.680 -Man, but I'm like, Robbie Robertson, I know 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:50.039 that name. I know that character. Oh, and then 00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:52.700 I looked him up and I'm like, oh, that guy. Right, 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:55.339 right. He was even in the old Tobey Maguire movies. 00:18:55.700 --> 00:19:00.519 He was like the voice of reason at the Bugle. 00:19:02.089 --> 00:19:04.650 I'm not remembering. I don't know. Yeah, he was 00:19:04.650 --> 00:19:08.329 in those movies too. Oh, that was Robbie Roberts. 00:19:08.390 --> 00:19:12.829 Right, right. So he is a mainstay in the Spider 00:19:12.829 --> 00:19:16.289 -Man universe as well. I don't think the secretary, 00:19:16.750 --> 00:19:21.490 what's your name, Jan? Janet, Janice. Janet. 00:19:22.029 --> 00:19:24.769 Yeah, I don't know about Janet. I don't know 00:19:24.769 --> 00:19:26.750 about Silvermane. I don't know if he's a Spider 00:19:26.750 --> 00:19:30.269 -Man villain. He might be. I'm not familiar with 00:19:30.269 --> 00:19:33.799 Silvermane. I know Tombstone is. I'm familiar 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:38.740 with Tombstone. Which was the guy with like the 00:19:38.740 --> 00:19:42.000 hard skin. That was supposed to be Tombstone. 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:44.099 With this version of Tombstone. I didn't know 00:19:44.099 --> 00:19:49.380 who he was. I was like... I couldn't place that 00:19:49.380 --> 00:19:53.359 one. The electric guy, they called him Megawatt. 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:55.900 But I don't know. I'm not familiar with Megawatt 00:19:55.900 --> 00:19:58.480 either. I don't know if that's like this universe's... 00:19:59.019 --> 00:20:01.859 Take on Electro or if Megawatt's actually a villain. 00:20:02.900 --> 00:20:06.619 I haven't looked that up either. I was assuming 00:20:06.619 --> 00:20:10.700 Electro, but. Yeah. I have also seen people say 00:20:10.700 --> 00:20:14.740 that this might be Peter Parker because there's 00:20:14.740 --> 00:20:19.220 one scene where somebody implies that Ben, that 00:20:19.220 --> 00:20:25.500 he changed his name after the war. So. Really? 00:20:25.660 --> 00:20:30.759 Yeah. So there is a pretty strong basis of a 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:33.200 fan theory that this is just Peter Parker by 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:35.700 a different name, which is funny because Ben 00:20:35.700 --> 00:20:38.900 Reilly is a Peter Parker clone in the comics. 00:20:40.119 --> 00:20:42.880 So like Ben Reilly is a character, he's Scarlet 00:20:42.880 --> 00:20:45.599 Spider. I'd actually be interested to see if 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:47.779 Sony wanted to do a Scarlet Spider adaptation, 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:50.920 more traditional Ben Reilly. Because usually 00:20:50.920 --> 00:20:54.160 Spider Noir is Peter Parker, but they just named 00:20:54.160 --> 00:20:57.500 him Ben Reilly. Which I've heard is because of 00:20:57.500 --> 00:21:02.720 a Sony contract thing. Like they're not allowed 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:06.500 to show Peter Parker drinking or smoking or like 00:21:06.500 --> 00:21:09.500 engaging in any bad behavior if he doesn't have 00:21:09.500 --> 00:21:12.980 the symbiote suit or something weird. Like they're 00:21:12.980 --> 00:21:15.420 very restrictive on what they allow Peter Parker 00:21:15.420 --> 00:21:17.359 to do. That's fine. I don't care if he's Peter 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:19.279 Parker or not. He's an interesting character 00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:21.819 on his own. Like, all right, Ben Reilly's a Spider 00:21:21.819 --> 00:21:24.700 -Man and they don't... They don't say crap about 00:21:24.700 --> 00:21:26.920 that. We can use that name. We're going to call 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:32.200 him Ben Reilly. And that's Spider Noir now. And 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:35.579 I love this take on Spider -Man. Like the old 00:21:35.579 --> 00:21:41.380 grizzled PI who's over the hill and his glory 00:21:41.380 --> 00:21:45.220 days are behind him. He's hung up the mask. He

00:21:45.220 --> 00:21:47.720 doesn't want to be Spider -Man anymore. Well, 00:21:47.740 --> 00:21:50.880 I also like that they played on it being kind 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:54.049 of... sci -fi elements a little bit you know 00:21:54.049 --> 00:21:57.589 what i mean yep yeah like even the even the scoring 00:21:57.589 --> 00:22:02.390 behind some of it was like the trying to trying 00:22:02.390 --> 00:22:05.549 to remember an exact example but kind of like 00:22:05.549 --> 00:22:12.789 it felt more like classic fantasy scoring yeah 00:22:12.789 --> 00:22:15.009 it's just like in a hitchcock movie or something 00:22:15.009 --> 00:22:18.150 just yeah yeah that's that's kind of what i'm 00:22:18.150 --> 00:22:23.519 going for It just had those vibes of that and 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:29.640 stuff like the way he gets his powers and kind 00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:31.740 of the science behind it. They kind of went with 00:22:31.740 --> 00:22:34.240 a mad science direction and I liked that it was 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:38.720 a little bit of like a... If you were to take 00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:42.460 out the word superheroes or show this to somebody... 00:22:42.460 --> 00:22:47.079 It was like a 1930s... universal monster sort 00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:49.599 of thing you have like the guy who's like a man 00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:53.140 mixed with a spider bites him yeah uh you have 00:22:53.140 --> 00:22:58.099 like the freaks in the jars in in the basement 00:22:58.099 --> 00:23:02.140 that all died and they're all lined up and they're 00:23:02.140 --> 00:23:05.119 like oh these are our former comrades who all 00:23:05.119 --> 00:23:08.559 are in these jars and like mixes of animals and 00:23:09.690 --> 00:23:12.009 Weirdness like that. And we had the mad scientist 00:23:12.009 --> 00:23:14.430 who was picking up from the Nazis mad scientist 00:23:14.430 --> 00:23:17.930 experiments. Yeah, that kind of thing too. Strapping 00:23:17.930 --> 00:23:20.730 Spider -Man down in a lab basement and cutting 00:23:20.730 --> 00:23:23.289 open his liver to come up with a cure. Or it 00:23:23.289 --> 00:23:25.190 wasn't Nazis, was it? It was just Germans. It 00:23:25.190 --> 00:23:27.190 was just Germans. Because this was... World War 00:23:27.190 --> 00:23:29.390 I he fought in. Yeah, post -World War I. Yeah. 00:23:31.250 --> 00:23:36.210 1930s, Great Depression era. Yeah, I appreciate 00:23:36.210 --> 00:23:39.869 how... all that kind of tone but I also like 00:23:39.869 --> 00:23:42.549 how in classic noir fashion Ben Reilly's just 00:23:42.549 --> 00:23:46.970 a miserable bastard he's not he's not a good 00:23:46.970 --> 00:23:51.009 person I mean he well he acts like he's not a 00:23:51.009 --> 00:23:54.130 good person he puts on a front and I think Robbie's 00:23:54.130 --> 00:23:56.210 the Robbie and Janet know he's a good person 00:23:56.210 --> 00:23:58.109 which is why they stick by him and even their 00:23:58.109 --> 00:24:02.269 patience is tested but he's very much well I 00:24:02.269 --> 00:24:04.329 think it's summed up by that one line where he 00:24:04.329 --> 00:24:08.670 says he wants to cure himself because no power 00:24:08.670 --> 00:24:12.430 means no responsibility. I like that they waited 00:24:12.430 --> 00:24:16.230 until episode 7 to throw that out. Good spin 00:24:16.230 --> 00:24:20.670 for this universe. Just the idea that as Spider 00:24:20.670 --> 00:24:24.250 -Man he could be cured. It feels like a very 00:24:24.250 --> 00:24:26.930 Spider -Man story. His powers ruin his life. 00:24:27.069 --> 00:24:29.750 They drag him down a road he didn't really want 00:24:29.750 --> 00:24:33.150 to be. involved in anymore but he still feels 00:24:33.150 --> 00:24:36.029 responsibility because of the powers and oh here's 00:24:36.029 --> 00:24:39.029 a chance i might be able to cure myself and just 00:24:39.029 --> 00:24:42.410 live a normal life but then bad guys keep coming 00:24:42.410 --> 00:24:45.509 and well okay i guess i'm a hero after all i'll 00:24:45.509 --> 00:24:49.549 pick the good of new york over my good and suffer 00:24:49.549 --> 00:24:53.599 with these powers till the end of time uh because 00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:55.400 i couldn't help but do the right thing it's a 00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:58.259 very spider -man story that way i think it still 00:24:58.259 --> 00:25:00.920 echoes the the great power great responsibility 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:03.599 because yeah he just acts like he doesn't want 00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:07.680 the responsibility but at that point even though 00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:10.480 he's like oh no powers no responsibility but 00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:13.380 in the moment he still has the powers he still 00:25:13.380 --> 00:25:15.799 has the responsibility and he follows through 00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:18.299 with his responsibility right to the end still 00:25:18.299 --> 00:25:21.200 ends up with powers so he still has the responsibility 00:25:22.429 --> 00:25:26.450 Yeah. He just really acts like it's something 00:25:26.450 --> 00:25:30.750 he wants to be rid of. Now, do you think if he 00:25:30.750 --> 00:25:35.329 still had more of the cure at the end, do you 00:25:35.329 --> 00:25:39.829 think he would have taken it? I think yes. Because 00:25:39.829 --> 00:25:41.970 that's what I was thinking too. I think he would 00:25:41.970 --> 00:25:45.410 have. Is that I still think he's not 100 % sold 00:25:45.410 --> 00:25:48.269 on, yeah, I want to be Spider -Man. No, no. I 00:25:48.269 --> 00:25:50.970 think he did it out of obligation. I mean, in 00:25:50.970 --> 00:25:53.710 his mind, What would he have left? He already 00:25:53.710 --> 00:25:57.450 quit being Spider -Man once. And then Silvermane's 00:25:57.450 --> 00:26:00.549 still out there, you know, running all the gangs 00:26:00.549 --> 00:26:02.869 in New York. He's a very high profile gangster, 00:26:02.990 --> 00:26:06.369 very dangerous person. All these freaks coming 00:26:06.369 -->

00:26:08.650 out of the woodwork, an electric guy, a sand 00:26:08.650 --> 00:26:12.509 guy. Wow. Okay. This is pretty crazy. He dealt 00:26:12.509 --> 00:26:15.049 with all that. Silvermane's gone. The gang's 00:26:15.049 --> 00:26:19.029 broken up. The bad guys are dead or on their 00:26:19.029 --> 00:26:21.940 way to something else. Flint and Cat are going 00:26:21.940 --> 00:26:25.759 off. They're cured. There's really no reason 00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:28.759 for a Spider -Man anymore. The reformist mayor 00:26:28.759 --> 00:26:32.140 got back into power. He's going to bring booze 00:26:32.140 --> 00:26:37.279 back. Yay. And like the city doesn't need Spider 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:39.619 -Man anymore. Even Robbie got his job back. Like 00:26:39.619 --> 00:26:44.500 everyone ended up pretty well. And it's not like 00:26:44.500 --> 00:26:47.220 the show left open a tease of, oh, well, there's 00:26:47.220 --> 00:26:51.140 more to come. There's more. More deadly villain. 00:26:51.140 --> 00:26:53.220 That could be the end. It could be. Well, we 00:26:53.220 --> 00:26:55.700 know. It could be. I hope they do a season two. 00:26:55.920 --> 00:26:59.500 I hope so, too. But if they left it here, that 00:26:59.500 --> 00:27:03.400 wraps up okay. I don't know where you're going 00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:10.200 to go with it once you've eliminated this power 00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:13.900 virus. I think they've got a good thing because 00:27:13.900 --> 00:27:19.289 detective stories are... really easy to continue 00:27:19.289 --> 00:27:21.650 because stuff always continues to happen there's 00:27:21.650 --> 00:27:25.109 no he didn't really solve any huge mystery he 00:27:25.109 --> 00:27:29.289 solved one mystery crime yeah it involves some 00:27:29.289 --> 00:27:32.529 high figures but there's tons of other places 00:27:32.529 --> 00:27:34.869 they could go tons of other cases he could get 00:27:34.869 --> 00:27:37.990 there's lots they can do with that you know now 00:27:37.990 --> 00:27:39.690 that i'm thinking about it i would love to see 00:27:39.690 --> 00:27:42.720 i was thinking More in disappointment of, oh, 00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:44.940 well, now that we got rid of the animal characters, 00:27:45.059 --> 00:27:48.420 we can't see like a noir rhino or a noir scorpion 00:27:48.420 --> 00:27:50.900 or something. But then I'm like, oh, well, maybe 00:27:50.900 --> 00:27:52.900 I'd like to see what a noir version of Green 00:27:52.900 --> 00:27:55.599 Goblin looks like. Like, what does Norman Osborn 00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:58.339 look like in 1930s New York? Well, they hinted 00:27:58.339 --> 00:28:02.559 at Dr. Connors at one point. I missed that reference. 00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:05.180 Uh, when he, when he pretended to be crazy in 00:28:05.180 --> 00:28:08.180 her lab, he was like, Oh, uh, Dr. Connor. And 00:28:08.180 --> 00:28:11.019 she's like, Dr. Connor's lab is upstairs or something. 00:28:11.140 --> 00:28:14.039 Okay. I missed that. So he's, he's around. I 00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:15.740 don't know. I was looking out for that name too. 00:28:15.819 --> 00:28:18.640 And I somehow missed it. Yeah. He's not, uh, 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:21.259 I'm like, okay, the genetic mutation in animals, 00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:25.920 lizard. Where's the lizard? Yeah. So he's probably 00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:28.140 going to be relevant or maybe it was just a name 00:28:28.140 --> 00:28:32.789 drop. Just, just for fun. Could just be. Yeah, 00:28:32.869 --> 00:28:36.569 there's a lot of potential if you wanted to keep 00:28:36.569 --> 00:28:41.849 this going. It's got a vibe. Nick Cage is great. 00:28:42.390 --> 00:28:46.089 Oh, yeah. He's... I love his Spider -Man voice. 00:28:46.529 --> 00:28:49.890 It's great. I think the hardest I laughed in 00:28:49.890 --> 00:28:52.289 the show was when Robbie was imitating him. He 00:28:52.289 --> 00:28:56.230 did it so well. And it was so perfect. Like, 00:28:56.269 --> 00:28:59.579 oh, what's that? I'm doing his voice. Yeah, you 00:28:59.579 --> 00:29:06.119 are. It's amazing. Oh, it was incredible. Like, 00:29:06.140 --> 00:29:07.920 we haven't gotten a heck of a lot of Spider -Man 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:09.859 in this show, but I've seen enough that I know 00:29:09.859 --> 00:29:15.099 that's spot on. I also really liked the point 00:29:15.099 --> 00:29:18.240 when he's like, what? Janet, you, I'm the spider. 00:29:18.539 --> 00:29:25.099 I'm the spider. He's drunk all the time. He's 00:29:25.099 --> 00:29:28.339 just drunk all the time. Oh, I'm the spider. 00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:30.599 I just love how the first one was so blatant. 00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:36.960 Janet, I'm the spider. And you knew she knew? 00:29:37.980 --> 00:29:42.319 Yes. I also thought it was interesting what they 00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:46.579 did with the organic web fluid. I love the complication 00:29:46.579 --> 00:29:48.940 that even the organic web fluid can run out. 00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:52.619 That made it... Yeah. That made that... I'm like, 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:54.759 okay, so Tobey Maguire's thing is cool, but, 00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:56.759 you know, we never got the classic Spider -Man 00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:59.180 web shooters running out of fluid with him because, 00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:03.119 I don't know, I guess at the time, Sam Raimi 00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:06.259 was like, hey, this is a cool idea, but organic, 00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:09.039 why would that run out? I think the idea was 00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:12.839 that his body was injured, right? Well, I think 00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:15.500 part of the idea is just that he's older and... 00:30:15.500 --> 00:30:18.579 Well, because he took, like, a huge hit to... 00:30:18.809 --> 00:30:20.630 Like, right before that was when he took the 00:30:20.630 --> 00:30:22.730 huge hit into the car windshield, and he was 00:30:22.730 --> 00:30:27.710 like... So I was like, oh, okay, so whatever 00:30:27.710 --> 00:30:31.230 produces

the webbing, he damaged his body, which 00:30:31.230 --> 00:30:33.490 is why it took him so long before he could use 00:30:33.490 --> 00:30:36.250 it again, is the way I interpreted it. I don't 00:30:36.250 --> 00:30:38.990 know if that's true or not, but that was what... 00:30:38.990 --> 00:30:41.690 Maybe. The way I interpret it is, I mean, to 00:30:41.690 --> 00:30:45.269 get a little... a little disgusting, I just figure 00:30:45.269 --> 00:30:48.220 any... A lot of fluids in your body just dry 00:30:48.220 --> 00:30:51.940 up eventually. Like you can only cry for so long. 00:30:52.019 --> 00:30:53.920 You can only have so much saliva in your mouth 00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:56.759 before your mouth goes dry. I figure this organic 00:30:56.759 --> 00:31:01.680 fluid is like other bodily fluids. It'll run 00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:04.279 out with enough use. I guess he wasted a lot 00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:06.619 in the scene before, did he not? Yeah, I think 00:31:06.619 --> 00:31:09.420 so. And they said he'd get it back after a rest. 00:31:09.579 --> 00:31:12.859 I'm like, okay, he's healing. He's recharging. 00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:15.940 I don't know. It tracks with how the human body 00:31:15.940 --> 00:31:18.680 works as I know it. That's true. If you wanted 00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:21.180 to make it an organic thing, that's reasonable 00:31:21.180 --> 00:31:25.759 to assume it's got a limited use. I also liked 00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:29.539 how they described his powers that like, like, 00:31:29.619 --> 00:31:32.859 oh, a spider doesn't, a spider uses hydraulics 00:31:32.859 --> 00:31:35.720 to move its, to move its limbs. I'm like, yeah. 00:31:35.859 --> 00:31:38.960 Oh, that's, and he's doing the, he's doing the 00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:41.660 thing with the arms. I'm like, that's weird. 00:31:42.589 --> 00:31:47.470 But cool. I had to have people point out that 00:31:47.470 --> 00:31:51.450 part of the problem with his powers is that he 00:31:51.450 --> 00:31:54.410 really does think like a spider and that he has 00:31:54.410 --> 00:31:56.710 to suppress his instincts all the time. Like 00:31:56.710 --> 00:31:59.690 if he didn't try to act human, like he said he 00:31:59.690 --> 00:32:03.170 had to go to movies to relearn how to socialize 00:32:03.170 --> 00:32:07.069 normally because like instinctually he is a spider. 00:32:08.349 --> 00:32:12.420 Which is like he really is a spider man. Who's 00:32:12.420 --> 00:32:16.299 trying to be human. Yeah. He's a lot, he's a 00:32:16.299 --> 00:32:20.140 lot weirder. He's like, like the spider person 00:32:20.140 --> 00:32:23.799 that bit him was like, okay, way too much spider 00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:27.079 in there. But how much transfers down? Like he's 00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:30.000 not just, he's not just got a little, he, he's 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:34.579 like the step down from there. So it's not visible, 00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:39.359 but inside internally, he's weird. He's really 00:32:39.359 -->

00:32:43.619 weird. Yeah. yeah that's what makes him pretty 00:32:43.619 --> 00:32:47.539 interesting it it's a very once again this is 00:32:47.539 --> 00:32:50.960 another case of i really like what they did with 00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:52.539 this version of spider -man because it's still 00:32:52.539 --> 00:32:55.059 distinctly spider -man in every way i know him 00:32:55.059 --> 00:33:01.200 but also distinctly noir and something a fresh 00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:05.220 take on it that's like yes this feels like what 00:33:05.220 --> 00:33:07.519 i would think of a show called spider noir it 00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:11.549 feels It feels spot on to my expectations, but 00:33:11.549 --> 00:33:14.109 also still distinctly Spider -Man. Yeah, he's 00:33:14.109 --> 00:33:17.569 still got his wisecracking mouth the whole time. 00:33:17.910 --> 00:33:24.210 Yeah. Yeah, he still has rotten luck and can't 00:33:24.210 --> 00:33:26.589 get his way. He doesn't get the girl. He doesn't... 00:33:26.589 --> 00:33:32.009 Always loses. He always loses. Even when he's 00:33:32.009 --> 00:33:35.769 trying to succeed. I love the supporting cast 00:33:35.769 --> 00:33:41.289 in this show as well. the uh let's see uh the 00:33:41.289 --> 00:33:44.130 little newspaper kid he was great oh yeah he 00:33:44.130 --> 00:33:46.150 was he was good i didn't think he was gonna be 00:33:46.150 --> 00:33:48.849 you know like in it that much but he was he was 00:33:48.849 --> 00:33:51.470 in it quite a bit yeah i like even the little 00:33:51.470 --> 00:33:53.789 subplots like oh janet's trying to teach him 00:33:53.789 --> 00:33:59.509 grammar and he uh pickpockets the bad guys for 00:33:59.509 --> 00:34:04.430 ben reilly and the shoeshine kid he's just like 00:34:05.069 --> 00:34:07.309 I don't know, it's like Sherlock Holmes or something 00:34:07.309 --> 00:34:10.230 when he has the Baker Street Irregulars. It just 00:34:10.230 --> 00:34:12.130 feels true to that era where there's like a little 00:34:12.130 --> 00:34:15.409 kid sidekick who's hanging around. Where are 00:34:15.409 --> 00:34:20.449 his parents? In that era, it didn't matter. He 00:34:20.449 --> 00:34:23.230 just hangs out with middle -aged guys and fights 00:34:23.230 --> 00:34:29.889 crime. It's true to the source material in that 00:34:29.889 --> 00:34:35.460 regard. But yeah, I love the cast. I love Brendan 00:34:35.460 --> 00:34:38.619 Gleeson as Silvermane. He's such a good actor 00:34:38.619 --> 00:34:41.659 in everything. He was very good. And I feel like 00:34:41.659 --> 00:34:45.480 it takes a lot of skill to play a gangster character 00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:48.519 like this because it can be so easily one note. 00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.860 But he makes him a very layered character with 00:34:52.860 --> 00:34:55.079 a lot of personality in there. Like, oh, so you're 00:34:55.079 --> 00:35:00.789 just a guy without powers? Okay, sure. What are 00:35:00.789 --> 00:35:02.809 you going to be against Spider

-Man? Oh, you're 00:35:02.809 --> 00:35:09.670 a very compelling TV villain, actually. Because 00:35:09.670 --> 00:35:14.269 he's trying to get power everywhere, even with 00:35:14.269 --> 00:35:17.570 Cat Hardy. He has to pick all her songs, has 00:35:17.570 --> 00:35:21.210 to pick the clothes she wears. It makes her feel 00:35:21.210 --> 00:35:26.409 she can't get out of his grasp. It's his apartment. 00:35:28.230 --> 00:35:30.670 She wants to marry a dentist? Sorry, he's dead. 00:35:32.670 --> 00:35:35.250 Like, he doesn't act like, oh, I have all the 00:35:35.250 --> 00:35:39.130 power, but also he controls everything. Yeah. 00:35:40.829 --> 00:35:44.710 And I like that he just... If he wants somebody 00:35:44.710 --> 00:35:46.329 to work for him, he's like, you're working for 00:35:46.329 --> 00:35:52.170 me now. That's it. But I also like how he can 00:35:52.170 --> 00:35:55.130 get along with everybody as well. Even the people 00:35:55.130 --> 00:35:57.369 he's fighting with, he's always respectful to 00:35:57.369 --> 00:36:01.349 words. He always has this air of respect of, 00:36:01.409 --> 00:36:05.289 hey, okay, you know, I'm coming at you with an 00:36:05.289 --> 00:36:07.550 offer here, or I'm trying to have a conversation, 00:36:07.710 --> 00:36:10.010 and you're being rude to me, or you're challenging 00:36:10.010 --> 00:36:13.690 me, but fine, I'll play that game. But I'll keep 00:36:13.690 --> 00:36:17.369 my composure. I don't think he lost his temper 00:36:17.369 --> 00:36:20.519 very much at all. He was always... Pretty cool 00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:23.739 and businesslike the entire time. Even when he 00:36:23.739 --> 00:36:27.280 was getting emotional under the surface. But 00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:29.460 I also like how clinical he could be. Like, he 00:36:29.460 --> 00:36:32.820 just shot Winston. Okay. And he was joking about 00:36:32.820 --> 00:36:36.760 it for the rest of the show. Like, oh yeah, it's 00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:41.559 too bad Winston is in here. When he's trying 00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:44.780 to be more threatening. Like, okay, I shot my 00:36:44.780 --> 00:36:48.539 close. Loyal confidant. I will not hesitate to 00:36:48.539 --> 00:36:53.159 kill anybody else. Be aware. Mm -hmm. But he 00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:55.360 doesn't have to be overtly threatening about 00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:58.420 it. He can just... Yeah, okay, we saw what he 00:36:58.420 --> 00:37:02.199 did. I did love that bit with the marked bills, 00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:06.219 though. Oh, okay, so he marks all the bills, 00:37:06.300 --> 00:37:10.019 and I like Ben Reilly's ploy to get that bill 00:37:10.019 --> 00:37:14.469 into Winston's pocket. Mm -hmm. steal the other 00:37:14.469 --> 00:37:16.610 money from the safe, make it look like he's a 00:37:16.610 --> 00:37:21.230 thief. He has to move it all over the place to 00:37:21.230 --> 00:37:23.409 get there. He had to know a lot of information 00:37:23.409 --> 00:37:26.750 to be able to pull that off. It felt like a good 00:37:26.750 --> 00:37:29.070 combination of all the lore drops from the first 00:37:29.070 --> 00:37:31.769 few episodes. Like, oh, okay, so this is how 00:37:31.769 --> 00:37:35.010 it's all tying in together. I thought it was 00:37:35.010 --> 00:37:42.130 very well written. Tied in nicely. So... Do I 00:37:42.130 --> 00:37:46.409 have anything else to say? Nick Cage looks great 00:37:46.409 --> 00:37:50.170 in the suit. It's just a really awesome suit. 00:37:52.130 --> 00:37:55.070 It's aura. I like that the eyes light up. Yeah. 00:37:55.289 --> 00:38:01.090 It was cool. And this is an uncommon thing for 00:38:01.090 --> 00:38:03.110 me, but I actually really like the theme song. 00:38:03.570 --> 00:38:07.510 Just the whole title sequence. It's very rare 00:38:07.510 --> 00:38:13.340 that I watch the title sequence. I mean, most 00:38:13.340 --> 00:38:16.739 shows don't have title sequences to watch. That's 00:38:16.739 --> 00:38:19.019 true. But I really like this one. I like the 00:38:19.019 --> 00:38:22.280 Peacemaker title sequences as well. There's very 00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:26.480 few that I quite enjoy, but this set the vibe 00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:30.159 to me. And also is a good argument for why I 00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:32.139 think this show was originally planned to be 00:38:32.139 --> 00:38:34.019 in black and white. There's no color version 00:38:34.019 --> 00:38:37.469 of the title sequence. There isn't. Oh, yeah. 00:38:37.590 --> 00:38:41.090 Okay. The title sequence is full black and white, 00:38:41.170 --> 00:38:46.130 both versions. So, I think that was the idea. 00:38:47.429 --> 00:38:52.170 It really feels like the color was... I feel 00:38:52.170 --> 00:38:55.329 like it wasn't the creator's initial idea to 00:38:55.329 --> 00:38:59.250 do any color, actually. That seems like a studio 00:38:59.250 --> 00:39:04.030 move to be like, we want color. But I'm glad 00:39:04.030 --> 00:39:07.030 that they went with... having both because i 00:39:07.030 --> 00:39:08.989 know there's people there's a lot of people who 00:39:08.989 --> 00:39:12.969 won't watch it in black and white yeah but they 00:39:12.969 --> 00:39:15.989 still make they still they still went creative 00:39:15.989 --> 00:39:18.309 with the color they didn't just slap color on 00:39:18.309 --> 00:39:22.190 it they did put some effort into the color but 00:39:22.190 --> 00:39:25.829 you can there are certain tells you're like no 00:39:25.829 --> 00:39:28.750 this was specifically shot for black and white 00:39:28.750 --> 00:39:34.349 but yeah it's got a big They got to make money 00:39:34.349 --> 00:39:36.829 on it. They got to make it accessible for people 00:39:36.829 --> 00:39:39.469 who refuse to watch anything in black and white. 00:39:40.449 --> 00:39:42.989 It's a very rare case of having your cake and 00:39:42.989 --> 00:39:46.090 eating it too. Yeah, we got both. You get to 00:39:46.090 --> 00:39:49.409 have the vision that was

probably the artistic 00:39:49.409 --> 00:39:52.409 vision to start. And then also the marketable 00:39:52.409 --> 00:39:56.070 palette version, which also had an artistic style 00:39:56.070 --> 00:39:59.110 to it. So like, once again, whoever this team 00:39:59.110 --> 00:40:02.730 is, they managed to have it all. Yeah. Well, 00:40:02.730 --> 00:40:06.510 it's... When have you ever been like, oh, click, 00:40:06.690 --> 00:40:09.909 oh, which version do you want to watch? I'm like, 00:40:09.969 --> 00:40:15.070 oh, that's interesting. Yep. It's just cool. 00:40:15.130 --> 00:40:17.949 That's a brand new feature to me. As far as I'm 00:40:17.949 --> 00:40:19.789 aware, I haven't seen that on any other streaming 00:40:19.789 --> 00:40:25.789 service. No. That's pretty unique. So they had 00:40:25.789 --> 00:40:29.289 to have a whole... feature designed for the show 00:40:29.289 --> 00:40:31.869 i feel like the only time i've ever seen something 00:40:31.869 --> 00:40:35.429 like that was in um black mirror bandersnatch 00:40:35.429 --> 00:40:38.489 yeah that was it was very i remember that being 00:40:38.489 --> 00:40:41.710 similar or was like oh a or b which path sort 00:40:41.710 --> 00:40:45.070 of thing but i guess yeah i guess it's the same 00:40:45.070 --> 00:40:49.210 but it like that was trying to be a choose your 00:40:49.210 --> 00:40:51.989 own adventure book this is like i don't know 00:40:51.989 --> 00:40:55.679 it's a whole product like They did an entire 00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:58.360 separate color grade for the show. That's a lot 00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:00.000 of work. Yeah, I've just never seen anything 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:03.579 like that. Like, that was really... Like, if 00:41:03.579 --> 00:41:05.440 you think about it, it's an eight -episode show, 00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:09.460 and they did 16 episodes of color grades. Basically, 00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:13.460 yeah. Like, it was a lot of extra effort. It 00:41:13.460 --> 00:41:16.699 wasn't just like, oh, for the people who think, 00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:19.940 oh, making black and white's easy. Like, no, 00:41:20.179 --> 00:41:22.829 it's still a... It's still a color grade. I think 00:41:22.829 --> 00:41:25.670 black and white takes even longer to do it correctly. 00:41:26.230 --> 00:41:29.150 Yeah, it's still effort. It's not just turn the 00:41:29.150 --> 00:41:35.369 color off. So it wasn't just an easy fix for, 00:41:35.489 --> 00:41:38.449 oh, we want it to be in black and white. All 00:41:38.449 --> 00:41:43.389 right, snap your fingers. Well, I thought the 00:41:43.389 --> 00:41:46.050 black and white was going to be a gimmick at 00:41:46.050 --> 00:41:49.429 first. Like I was like, oh, okay, whatever. They 00:41:49.429 --> 00:41:53.079 just. what'd they do slap a black and white filter 00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:56.679 over it wow okay then i'm like oh wait they actually 00:41:56.679 --> 00:42:01.239 shot this for black and white okay that that 00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:04.780 to me right there i went oh that means that was 00:42:04.780 --> 00:42:07.960 the the intent was to do black and white okay 00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:10.079 that's a big difference that's like that's like 00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:12.460 going to see a movie in imax or going to see 00:42:12.460 --> 00:42:15.380 a movie shot for imax that's a huge difference 00:42:15.380 --> 00:42:18.829 for sure right for sure I think one thing I also 00:42:18.829 --> 00:42:21.349 enjoyed about it, just the wish fulfillment of 00:42:21.349 --> 00:42:23.210 how many times have you watched an all black 00:42:23.210 --> 00:42:25.929 and white movie and appreciated the costumes 00:42:25.929 --> 00:42:27.909 and thought, oh man, I wish I could see this 00:42:27.909 --> 00:42:30.909 in color. That's true. Just to see what that 00:42:30.909 --> 00:42:32.889 would look like in color. Oh, that like really 00:42:32.889 --> 00:42:37.010 fancy show dress, Cat Hardy's singing it. I wonder 00:42:37.010 --> 00:42:38.889 what that looks like in color. Oh, I can just 00:42:38.889 --> 00:42:42.070 flip and see now. Wow, that's a really nice dress 00:42:42.070 --> 00:42:46.010 in color. Too bad I didn't have to see that in 00:42:46.010 --> 00:42:51.940 black and white. exclusively so yeah it kind 00:42:51.940 --> 00:42:55.619 of gives you the wow we get to see both like 00:42:55.619 --> 00:42:59.639 i remember there was um i didn't check this out 00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:02.340 but i remember late in the show after he did 00:43:02.340 --> 00:43:05.539 his surgeries and everything there was um janet 00:43:05.539 --> 00:43:08.539 mentioned multiple yeah You mentioned that multiple 00:43:08.539 --> 00:43:10.960 times and I never flipped over to see what the 00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:13.139 actual color grade looked like. If you, there 00:43:13.139 --> 00:43:15.159 were, there was a shot where, where he turned, 00:43:15.219 --> 00:43:17.820 where you could tell that he was a bit more kind 00:43:17.820 --> 00:43:22.059 of bruised his skin almost. Yeah. Like there 00:43:22.059 --> 00:43:25.460 was one, one part, but I was, but knowing that 00:43:25.460 --> 00:43:28.199 it was black and white, that's probably why they 00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:31.099 both like, I think Robbie and her were both like, 00:43:31.179 --> 00:43:34.320 Oh yeah, he's yellow. Several times to be like, 00:43:34.539 --> 00:43:36.840 Hey. Because we're not going to be able to see 00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:41.760 this. Yeah. And I didn't watch that one in color, 00:43:41.820 --> 00:43:44.239 but that's one where I'd be like, okay, I'm curious 00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:47.639 now. I want to see what he looks like. Maybe 00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:50.039 he was as yellow as a banana peel. We don't know. 00:43:50.139 --> 00:43:51.380 He might have been. He could have just been like 00:43:51.380 --> 00:43:53.619 total. Because I think that happens. I think 00:43:53.619 --> 00:43:55.219 you get jaundiced when you mess with the liver.

00:43:57.199 --> 00:43:59.719 So I'm like, when I heard they said yellow, I'm 00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:01.360 like, okay, well, they cut his liver open. I 00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:04.650 think I've heard that about livers. making people 00:44:04.650 --> 00:44:11.690 yellow huh well i don't know what to rate this 00:44:11.690 --> 00:44:17.269 one i'm on the fence i don't know if i'm gonna 00:44:17.269 --> 00:44:23.030 get it up to a must see i think at bare minimum 00:44:23.030 --> 00:44:26.230 it's bare minimum it's pretty darn good i don't 00:44:26.230 --> 00:44:29.909 know if i can call it must see because as far 00:44:29.909 --> 00:44:36.559 as like uh script goes it's a good script but 00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:39.960 i feel like it's the is the scripting that lets 00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:42.260 it down if anything and it's not even it's not 00:44:42.260 --> 00:44:44.460 even bad it's just that the technical merits 00:44:44.460 --> 00:44:47.960 based on technical merits alone i would say oh 00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:51.079 it's it it's a must -see for like just really 00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:54.260 well -made tv but as a complete package like 00:44:54.260 --> 00:44:57.530 the acting's great the you know We said the costumes, 00:44:57.690 --> 00:45:00.090 the set design, the camera work, like everything 00:45:00.090 --> 00:45:02.570 technically is great, but the script is like, 00:45:02.590 --> 00:45:05.849 if you just care about the story, is it really 00:45:05.849 --> 00:45:09.789 a lot better than an above average crime drama? 00:45:09.969 --> 00:45:14.070 I don't know if I can say it is. I think that, 00:45:14.130 --> 00:45:17.349 yeah, the story is what holds it back from being 00:45:17.349 --> 00:45:20.670 like really, really good. It's good, but I think 00:45:20.670 --> 00:45:22.909 it's above average good as far as story goes. 00:45:23.030 --> 00:45:26.179 Everything else is incredible. So that's why 00:45:26.179 --> 00:45:27.980 I don't know if I can... For me, I know it's 00:45:27.980 --> 00:45:31.099 an easy thumbs up, but it's that... Yeah, I know. 00:45:31.099 --> 00:45:33.039 That's my problem. Is it going to go one more? 00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:36.760 I don't know. If the script had really blown 00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:39.679 me away, it would be an easy must -see. Because 00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:44.420 of the technical, but it's just... This is the 00:45:44.420 --> 00:45:46.440 problem with critique. I don't know where the 00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:49.980 line is. You got to feel it out. I'm going to 00:45:49.980 --> 00:45:52.800 leave mine on a thumbs up. Because, you know 00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:55.900 what? If we get a season two... and they they 00:45:55.900 --> 00:46:00.119 amplify the script a bit more maybe that'll push 00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:02.980 it even higher because they've obviously got 00:46:02.980 --> 00:46:05.199 the technical stuff down they've got all that 00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:08.380 down really well yeah i think i'm gonna leave 00:46:08.380 --> 00:46:10.840 it at a pretty darn good because i can't say 00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:15.659 that for everybody or even the most majority 00:46:15.659 --> 00:46:18.659 of people it's a must -see because i feel like 00:46:18.659 --> 00:46:20.920 people don't care as much as i do about the technical 00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:24.309 side And they're just watching a story, which 00:46:24.309 --> 00:46:26.909 is a pretty good story, but it's not a must -see 00:46:26.909 --> 00:46:31.110 story. If you like the technical stuff, then 00:46:31.110 --> 00:46:35.010 it's a must -see for sure. Yes. But as a complete 00:46:35.010 --> 00:46:38.809 package, I'm going to say pretty darn good. So 00:46:38.809 --> 00:46:42.230 that's Spider Noir and our first episode in five 00:46:42.230 --> 00:46:44.730 weeks. I'm sorry. I hope the next one... I'm 00:46:44.730 --> 00:46:47.710 not. Well, I mean, the vacations were pretty 00:46:47.710 --> 00:46:51.869 fun. But I don't know what the next one will 00:46:51.869 --> 00:46:56.409 be. Maybe I think Vox Machina is too late. Disclosure 00:46:56.409 --> 00:47:01.250 Day has already come out. Who knows? Maybe it'll 00:47:01.250 --> 00:47:05.050 be Toy Story 5. No, it won't be because Justin 00:47:05.050 --> 00:47:08.550 doesn't watch Toy Story. I don't like it. Come 00:47:08.550 --> 00:47:10.789 at him in the comments. I don't think he even 00:47:10.789 --> 00:47:13.570 got to the third one. I got halfway through the 00:47:13.570 --> 00:47:16.610 third one. Okay. That's it. Forget about 4 and 00:47:16.610 --> 00:47:19.880 5. There's five of them? This is the fifth one 00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:22.900 right now. No, I'm not watching another one. 00:47:24.260 --> 00:47:26.539 Yeah, there's Toy Story 5. There's The Death 00:47:26.539 --> 00:47:29.539 of Robin Hood. Super Earl's coming out in a couple 00:47:29.539 --> 00:47:34.340 weeks. Maybe we'll do that one. We will see. 00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:38.480 Or maybe we'll skip back and do... Leisure Lists. 00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:42.269 A Leisure List. Catch you up on all the ones 00:47:42.269 --> 00:47:44.630 since the last Pleasure List. I could talk about 00:47:44.630 --> 00:47:50.130 all the stuff I watched on the plane. Yeah. I 00:47:50.130 --> 00:47:54.349 binged through Neon Genesis on my train. But 00:47:54.349 --> 00:47:56.070 we probably won't talk about that until Anime 00:47:56.070 --> 00:48:00.690 October. I watched both Wicked 1 and 2. Wicked 00:48:00.690 --> 00:48:04.889 1 and 2. The second one fell off hard. Both of 00:48:04.889 --> 00:48:07.329 those are the worst musicals I've ever seen in 00:48:07.329 --> 00:48:10.750 my life. Come at me. I loved the first one. I 00:48:10.750 --> 00:48:13.489 love the first part, but the second one was terrible. 00:48:14.550 --> 00:48:20.190 The music is the worst example of just singing 00:48:20.190 --> 00:48:24.130 the dialogue instead of an actual musical number. 00:48:24.210 --> 00:48:27.730 It's just singing the

dialogue at random portions. 00:48:29.050 --> 00:48:33.789 Brutal. Well, I don't really have a problem with 00:48:33.789 --> 00:48:36.409 the music. There's a lot I like about those Wicked 00:48:36.409 --> 00:48:37.949 movies. No, no, no. I don't think there's a single 00:48:37.949 --> 00:48:39.630 song in any of those that you could be like, 00:48:39.710 --> 00:48:41.630 yeah, I'm going to listen to the song. Because 00:48:41.630 --> 00:48:43.409 there's not a single song that's even a complete 00:48:43.409 --> 00:48:49.210 song. There's not even one. Yeah. The thing about 00:48:49.210 --> 00:48:51.909 Wicked I remember is that I didn't really know 00:48:51.909 --> 00:48:54.449 any of the songs going in. And it was just, oh, 00:48:54.590 --> 00:48:56.869 I remember hearing some of these in high school 00:48:56.869 --> 00:48:59.710 because I was a theater kid and all the music 00:48:59.710 --> 00:49:03.000 and theater kids. I sang these at various points 00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:04.880 and I never knew what they were. And then I watched 00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:06.980 the movie. I'm like, oh, that's what that's from. 00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:10.800 OK. So it was just that I'm like, oh, this song's 00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:12.840 been stuck in my head for years. And this is 00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:16.739 what it's from. Got it. Yeah, I was not impressed. 00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:21.500 Fair. I remember the first one I think was I 00:49:21.500 --> 00:49:25.619 said was pretty good. The second one, not good. 00:49:27.549 --> 00:49:29.329 Yeah, I was not impressed with the music, and 00:49:29.329 --> 00:49:31.789 I thought the story in both of them was pretty 00:49:31.789 --> 00:49:37.010 mid. Yeah. So maybe we'll do a leisure list in 00:49:37.010 --> 00:49:40.210 two weeks. Who knows? We will see what happens. 00:49:40.349 --> 00:49:43.369 But that's like my whole leisure list, Joe. Wicked 00:49:43.369 --> 00:49:45.829 1 and 2. That's it. That's all I've watched since 00:49:45.829 --> 00:49:48.590 the last leisure list that was like eight months 00:49:48.590 --> 00:49:53.969 ago. Let's see. Today is June 15th. What have 00:49:53.969 --> 00:49:59.409 I finished just in June? Oh, no. Let's see. Just 00:49:59.409 --> 00:50:04.349 in June, I finished X -Men 1992, Season 5, Adult, 00:50:04.610 --> 00:50:08.130 Season 1, Neon Genesis, Evangelion, The End of 00:50:08.130 --> 00:50:12.190 Evangelion, Masters of the Universe movie, Veep, 00:50:12.230 --> 00:50:15.650 Season 1, Star Trek Lower Decks, Season 5, Fleabag, 00:50:15.710 --> 00:50:19.190 Season 1, Spider Noir, and the old Will Smith 00:50:19.190 --> 00:50:21.659 superhero movie, Hancock. Which I just watched 00:50:21.659 --> 00:50:25.260 yesterday. Well, that one's good. The first half 00:50:25.260 --> 00:50:28.780 is good. Okay, yes. And it fell off very hard. 00:50:28.860 --> 00:50:30.900 It fell off very hard in the middle. I remember 00:50:30.900 --> 00:50:34.579 it being entertaining at least. Yeah, that's 00:50:34.579 --> 00:50:36.239 part of my journey to watch. This is just June? 00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:38.880 That's when I finished in June. We're only halfway 00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:42.280 through. All those TV shows, when it comes to 00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:44.699 TV shows, I just note what I finish in a month. 00:50:44.820 --> 00:50:49.010 I start them way back. Okay, I was really scared 00:50:49.010 --> 00:50:51.489 because I'm like... All the movies, I watched 00:50:51.489 --> 00:50:54.170 this month. All the shows, I ended this month. 00:50:55.489 --> 00:50:58.650 You know what? We should do a leisure list. Maybe. 00:50:58.769 --> 00:51:00.570 Let's do a leisure list. I'll have to narrow 00:51:00.570 --> 00:51:03.170 it down. We gotta finish this episode. Yeah. 00:51:03.969 --> 00:51:07.010 The last five minutes were meandering. But yeah, 00:51:07.130 --> 00:51:09.590 that's the end. Where can we find you? You can 00:51:09.590 --> 00:51:12.739 find me on Instagram at jchurchtpm. And you can 00:51:12.739 --> 00:51:15.519 find me on Instagram at ThoughtPlaneMedia. More 00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:18.760 importantly, go to ThoughtPlane .ca for everything 00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:22.320 else up to close -up, other written reviews, 00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:26.920 head -to -head. I hope we get prompt four done 00:51:26.920 --> 00:51:29.880 before the end of the heat death of the universe. 00:51:31.260 --> 00:51:34.480 There's also close -up uncut. Close -up uncut. 00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:38.119 For us saying things that we wouldn't usually 00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:42.389 say on close -up. Yeah. Or, you know. It's mostly 00:51:42.389 --> 00:51:44.170 just conversations before we start recording. 00:51:44.329 --> 00:51:46.730 It's actually pretty funny. I like that you do 00:51:46.730 --> 00:51:49.250 it. You know, you get the three, two, one in 00:51:49.250 --> 00:51:52.230 there. That's where it ends. It's great. Bloopers 00:51:52.230 --> 00:51:55.809 from our old movies and sketches and stuff are 00:51:55.809 --> 00:52:00.170 on there, too, for exclusive content. We got 00:52:00.170 --> 00:52:03.610 stuff on the website. Most of it's for free. 00:52:04.409 --> 00:52:09.530 You can enjoy. So, until next time. Bye -bye. 00:52:09.650 --> 00:52:16.929 See you in five weeks. I hope not see you in 00:52:16.929 --> 00:52:19.429 five weeks what a monster