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What is up and welcome to Working Hard Hardly Working.
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So if you're new here, I started this podcast with
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the idea of exploring stories and lessons from people across
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all different walks of life. So experts in all different areas,
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people who are really successful in all different areas. The
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concept of these solo episodes basically is that they are
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a shortcut to theories that could genuinely help to level
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up your life and you can get them all in
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one walk or one commute or while you're doing your dishes.
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And today we are diving into a topic that has
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been on my mind a lot lately and is something
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that I think a lot about generally and always have,
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whether that has been throughout kind of school, throughout trying
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to get fit throughout, you know, wanting to reach certain
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goals And that is discipline. It is very much a
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word that's associated with hustle culture and podcast bros, you know,
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telling you to like be more disciplined and keep pushing
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yourself to achieve everything you want in life. And it's
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also an incredibly male dominated conversation. I would say, in fact,
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if you Google books on discipline, you will struggle to
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find a book by a woman or I would say
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marketed to women even in the suggested list. And let
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me tell you, This obviously isn't because women aren't disciplined.
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In fact, studies from the American Psychological Association have shown
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that girls consistently outperform boys right from elementary school when
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it comes to discipline with studying. We are disciplined, but
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I think the crux of it is that we don't
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always label it as such. So what I mean by
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that is that it's not that women aren't disciplined. I
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obviously categorically disagree with that. I believe that I personally
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am very disciplined, but I think it's right to say
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that I probably wouldn't go around being like, I'm so disciplined,
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I'm so disciplined. In fact, discipline is actually about a
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number of different things. It's about things like habits and
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it feels like, at least from what I consume online,
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that women are more likely to label their discipline as like,
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I don't know, I follow these habits or I have
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a planner or rather than it just being like, I
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just get shit done. you know, and just like discipline
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above all. It's about the small steps that we actually
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take to get to the point that we want to
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get to. Anyway, that's not really the point, but I
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do think it's very interesting because when we look at
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and talk about how important something like discipline is, we
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look at the psychology of it and how it's been
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built in our own perception and like what our own
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perception is of discipline. And it's very hard to unlearn
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lot of the things that we are taught in terms
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of like why you do things and how you do
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things and how you get to a level of self-improvement
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and life improvement as a whole. But let's get into it.
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so that we can make more. And I will say
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that our grand total of three solo episodes that we've
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ever done in this format I used to do an
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old format of them this is a new format the
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kind of like deep dive bite-sized chunk into like one
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topic have been like our most popular episodes ever so
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I know you like it you know you just gotta
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like and subscribe thank you very much but as always
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we are going to start with the context discipline can
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very much sometimes sound like a heavy serious word but
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But when you break it down, it's basically another way
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of just saying consistent action towards a goal. I think
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it's very easy to look at people
who seem super
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disciplined and think that, you know, they must have it
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all figured out. They must never miss doing that one
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thing or they must never doubt, you know, whether they're
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going to get that done today. But I think what
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we're really seeing in those situations isn't someone who's suddenly
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been blessed with the magical gift of constant discipline. In fact,
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it really is the result of consistent small efforts that
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very much stack up over time. So whether that's sticking
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to a fitness routine or staying focused at work or
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building a new skill, discipline is the key that unlocks
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long-term success. It is the ability to show up and
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do the work even when motivation has left the building.
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Because let me be very fucking clear, motivation is a
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fleeting feeling. It is an emotion you experience and it
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can very much drive you to take an action. But
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the reason you can't rely on it is because it
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depends on external factors like reward, recognition or inspiration. Whereas
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discipline is what keeps you taking that action and it's
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driven by processes rather than emotion. So here's the big misconception.
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Discipline isn't about perfection. it's about progress. And I think
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that's where many of us get stuck and when many
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of us end up shooting ourselves in the foot rather
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than just plodding towards the destination we want to get to.
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So we think that discipline means pushing ourselves to the extremes.
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And I think that actually a lot of that does
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come from the fact that the only way we consume
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discipline as a concept is really this kind of like
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very macho podcast bro, sleep when you're dead vibe. that
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we get pushed. And actually, the truth is that discipline,
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just like habits, is built in the small everyday choices
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that we make. So if you've watched my first episode,
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it was on habits and how habits can change your
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entire life and how you've probably heard of the book
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Atomic Habits and You may have said you've read it,
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you may have actually read it, you may have read
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one chapter, but it's a really fucking interesting book and
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it can really help you change a lot in your
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life when you really understand what a habit is. You know,
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I was really thinking about the interaction between discipline and
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habits and I think they kind of interact with each
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other in a bit of a cycle. So you create
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habits as something that you do every day, for example,
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to get closer towards a goal. It is the discipline
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that makes you stick to the habits. And at the
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same time, repeating those habits, those small things over and
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over and over is just a form of discipline in general.
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So I do think of them as kind of, they
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very much go hand in hand. Like I don't think
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you can have habits without discipline and I don't think
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you can have discipline without habits. I think that really
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the key is you ace habits and that makes it
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easier because it means you need less discipline to actually
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carry things out in order to get to where you
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want to get to. It's a little bit complex. If
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you haven't listened to that solo episode, people fucking love
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that one. So that's great. I would go and listen
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to that because I feel like, I don't know, it
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made me think a lot about how to get to
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where I want to get to in life and how
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every single day needs to reflect where I want to
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get to. Otherwise, there's basically no way I'm going to
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get there. But if you know me, you know that
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I do not do anything without receipts. So let's get
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into the data. Studies have shown that disciplined individuals tend
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to have higher levels of life satisfaction and success in
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both personal and professional areas. So in a study published
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in the Journal of Personality, researchers found that self-control, often
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linked to discipline, was more
predictive of success than IQ
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in a group of adolescents over several years. What that
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basically means is that it's not necessarily raw talent or
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intelligence that leads to success, but instead how we consistently
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apply ourselves over time. Because discipline very much has a
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snowball effect, much like how habits compound over time, being
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disciplined in one area of your life often spreads into others.
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So when you develop the ability to stick with something
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hard like regular exercise or focused work sessions, you're not
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just building your body or growing your business, you are
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rewiring your brain to become more resilient in everything else
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that you do. In fact... research from 2013 shows that
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disciplined people tend to experience fewer stressful situations because they're
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better prepared to tackle challenges head-on. That preparation comes from
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creating systems, routines and structures that support their long-term goals.
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And I think that really is reflective in wider things too.
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I mean, I talk a lot on the podcast, especially
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guest episodes, of how proving to yourself that you are
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a good person or you're a disciplined person or you're
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a hard worker is is half of the battle. Like
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you need to compound feelings of yourself that are positive.
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So we've heard quite a few people come on the
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podcast that have basically said like their businesses and their
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work and their career was pretty shit until they became
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a better person. Like they became a more disciplined person.
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They became someone who stuck to what they said they
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were going to do. And that like really compounded in
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other areas of life. And I do think that's because
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when you develop like a culture of discipline within yourself,
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you know that basically you're proving to yourself again and again,
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not just that you can do hard things, but also
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that you can keep promises to yourself that I genuinely
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think there is nothing more harmful to self-worth than promising
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yourself you will do things and not getting them done. Like,
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whether that happens on a small level or whether that
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happens again and again and again, that is so damaging
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to your self-worth. Because if you think about it, like,
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if someone else did that to you, you'd think they
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were a pretty shit friend. Like, if they said, like,
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I'm going to come to dinner with you tonight and
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then didn't go to dinner with you, you'd think they
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were a shit friend. And so it makes complete sense
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that when you say to yourself over and over and
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over again, I'm going to get x done or I'm
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going to go to the gym or I'm going to
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do that job application or I'm actually going to start
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that business and every single time you don't show up
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for yourself that is really going to compound negatively for
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your self-worth because what you're essentially telling yourself is you
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do not respect yourself enough to actually show up and
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do the thing that you were meant to do and
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there's obviously a balance here like you will probably know
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if you veer more to the side of like too
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disciplined and too hard on yourself or a It's important
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to know that so that you can make sure you
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don't just lean too much in one direction and completely
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burn yourself out. But at the same time, if you
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are the type of person, you know you lack discipline.
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You know you are a little bit too forgiving with
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yourself when it comes to like saying that you're going
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to do things and not actually doing things. So I
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do really think that building habits that mean that you
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don't need to use truckloads of discipline all the time
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to actually get closer towards your goals, not just gets
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you closer towards those goals, but but it also, you
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prove to yourself over and over that you are a
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trustworthy person and that you make promises to yourself and
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you actually keep them and that goes a long way
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for not just like actual success and actually progressing towards
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xyz goal whatever it might be but actually self-worth like
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I really really really think that there is a huge
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link between discipline and self-worth self-worth and once you start
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to hack that and once you start to keep promises
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to yourself your life genuinely compounds in the right direction
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so how does discipline actually work we're going to get
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into the theories because this is what I find very
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interesting if we dig into the psychology there is a
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lot to learn about the mechanics of self-control and persistence
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so I'm going to pick out what I found most
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valuable but quick disclaimer I'm not a psychologist I have
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a music degree So we're learning together here. But one
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theory that really resonates with me and always has is
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the concept of delayed gratification, which was popularized by the
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famous Stanford marshmallow experiment conducted by Walter Mischel way back
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in the 1960s. Tested children's ability to delay gratification by
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offering them one marshmallow immediately or two if they waited
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15 minutes. The idea is simple. Can you resist a
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small immediate reward to wait for a larger one? They
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found that those who could delay gratification often ended up
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more successful and satisfied with life in the long run.
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But it's obviously not just about saying no to temptations.
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Discipline is about creating systems that make it easier to
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follow through. This brings us to our second theory, which
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is the idea of decision fatigue. Every decision we make
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throughout the day wears down our willpower, making it harder
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to stay disciplined. Imagine you have a daily stock of decisions,
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for example, and every decision you make, whether that's what
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outfit you're wearing or what lipstick to wear, uses up
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a bit of that supply. It's why overthinking can be
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so bad for us. And spoiler alert, we did a
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whole episode on overthinking and how to use it to
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your advantage recently. But this is because it expends so
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much of our energy on unnecessary analysis, depleting our important
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supply to use for actual things we care about. This
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means that when you get to late in the day
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and you've had a long day at work, deciding what
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to cook for dinner, for example, seems much harder than
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it should be. It's also literally why disciplined people create routines.
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They reduce the number of decisions that they actually need
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to make. Steve Jobs, for example, famously wore the same
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outfit every day to eliminate unnecessary choices and preserve his
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focus for important decisions. And now I'm not saying that
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we all need to start wearing black turtlenecks, but even
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laying out your clothes for the morning the night before
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can free up your morning mind. I personally am one
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of the most decisive people in the world. But boy,
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do I get decision fatigue. And I get decision fatigue
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first thing in the morning and late at night or
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after a big meeting, like anything that's like really zapped
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my brain and really like taken a lot of my
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brain power. I feel like one of the best things
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I've done is really learn these patterns. and basically put
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things in place that mean that I do not need
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to make big decisions at that point or they're already
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made for me. So to give an example of that,
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I generally plan my day where possible to have the
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hardest things first. Like without a doubt, for example, I
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knew I needed to do something this morning, least favorite
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thing to do right at the beginning of my day.
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Because if you get me after a few meetings, that
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piece of work is going to be shit and that
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piece of work is really important. Another thing is that
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like without fail, every single time I work out, I
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have laid out my clothes the night
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makes such a big difference to actually in the morning,
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like my brain's not even warmed up yet and I'm
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actually trying to decide what to wear. It's not even
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an important decision. It doesn't matter what I wear, but
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I will literally just stand there for 10 minutes going.
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which isn't very helpful in terms of my morning routine.
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Another great way of combating this is meal prepping. I
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find that prepping meals or having decided at the beginning
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of the week what you were going to eat when
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you were in a non-decision fatigued environment or headspace makes
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such a big difference. Same with things like planning and workouts.
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My workouts are completely planned in from the beginning of
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the week. Like, I literally go into Shreddy, which is
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the app I use for workouts, which is also... my
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app I will look at my workouts for the week
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and I will physically schedule them into my google calendar
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and so I'm never waking up being like I could
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snooze my alarm given I don't even know what workout
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I'm doing rather than being like I know I am
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doing this exact workout and it's not that fucking hard
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and the final key theory that I'm going to introduce
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to you here is cognitive dissonance so this is a
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psychological phenomenon first coined by Leon Festinger in the 1950s
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cognitive dissonance occurs when there's a conflict between your beliefs
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goals or values and actual actions So this conflict creates
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a feeling of mental discomfort or tension. Our brains generally
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don't like this discomfort, so we're naturally driven to resolve
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it in one of two ways. So you change it
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by either changing your actions to align with your beliefs
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or the easier route, adjusting your beliefs to justify your actions.
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So for example, if you set a goal to exercise
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three times a week but repeatedly skip workouts, you'll likely
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experience cognitive dissonance. On the one hand, you value fitness
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and self-improvement, but on the other hand, your actions don't
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reflect that. So over time, you'll either need to start
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working out regularly to align your actions with your goals,
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or you'll adjust your mindset and lower the importance of
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fitness in your life. I will say that not necessarily
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from scientific backing, but from entire personal experience, I think
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that when you have the cognitive dissonance and you change
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the belief to align with the actions rather than the
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other way around, that is generally where you stop trusting
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yourself to make the right decisions and start generally feeling
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a little bit shit about yourself. There's probably been no
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time that you felt better than when you said you
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were going to do something and actually did it for
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a prolonged period of time like that. has a huge
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effect on, as we've already talked about like self-worth and everything,
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but generally just like your mood, like how you generally feel.
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On the other hand, if you consistently say you're going
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to do something and you do not do it, that
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is the first way of making yourself feel shit. And
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when you have to actively change your beliefs of what
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you value in order to get rid of that cognitive dissonance,
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it's never a good feeling for anyone. What I will
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say is that I think reprioritising is important. I think
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that sometimes some of us especially if you veer on
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the side of like working too much or being a
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little bit too hard on yourself a lot of us
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can veer on the side of setting too many goals
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at once and I strongly believe in the fact that
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you can have it all but you cannot have it
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all at once. And what this basically means is that
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you feel like you have five number one priorities, but
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you can't have five number one priorities. You can only
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have one number one priority and you can only fit
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a certain amount of things
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sometimes I do think that in order to get rid
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of the cognitive dissonance, you have to change your belief,
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not in terms of being like, oh, well, that wasn't
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important to me anyway. but change your belief in terms
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of being like, okay, well, I can only have three
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of these things and this one's more important. It might
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be that you're trying to date at the same time
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as getting into fitness, at the same time as trying
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to get a promotion and be a really good friend.
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And actually, in an ideal world, you'd be able to
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do all of those things, but likelihood is there's going
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to need to be higher priorities and maybe it's not
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the season for dating or maybe it's not the season
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for getting really fit. And I think reprioritization as part
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of discipline is important because discipline only works when you're
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actually sticking to it. There's this whole essay, actually. I
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think it's like a whole essay that's called Things That
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Aren't Doing The Thing. And it has a list of
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all of these things that are not doing the thing,
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including planning doing the thing, including working towards doing the thing,
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including like putting the thing in your diary, all of this.
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if you're not doing it, you're not doing it. If
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you've listened to one of my goal setting episodes, you'll
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know that we all get the same dopamine kick from
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putting goals in than we do from actually reaching them.
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And sometimes that doesn't help us because we then spend
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a lot of time feeling happy about certain goals and
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we haven't actually done anything to reach them. We were
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just excited planning them and then we didn't have the
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discipline to stick to them. But this is all why
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discipline is so important. It helps you reduce that cognitive
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tension by basically staying consistent with your long-term goals. So
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when you regularly act in a way that aligns with
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your values and aspirations, you're not only making progress, but
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also reinforcing those beliefs, which strengthens your overall sense of
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purpose and satisfaction. In contrast, a lack of discipline can
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lead to frustration and self-doubt. Your actions will obviously constantly
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clash with what you know you should be doing. So
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let's now talk about how you can actually build more
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discipline into your life. And we're going to break it
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down into a few practical steps because you know that's
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what I like to do. So first of all, start small.
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Just like habit building, discipline is about creating small, manageable changes.
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So if your goal is to wake up earlier, start
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by setting your alarm just 15 minutes earlier. Once that's
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a habit, adjust it again. One of the biggest ways
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you can fail, even with amazing discipline... is by biting
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off more than you can chew. Because if you think
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about it, if you suddenly make your alarm an hour
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and a half earlier, the chances you're going to stick
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to that versus just moving it a little bit earlier
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every single day are a lot lower. You're either going
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to do that or you are going to stick to
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it and you're going to burn yourself out. And step
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two is to create systems, not just goals. Goals are
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obviously very important, but they are nothing without systems. If
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your goal is to get fit, your system might include
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scheduling workouts in advance, laying out your gym clothes the
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night before and meal prepping on Sundays. These systems reduce
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the friction in actually following through. It means that you
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need less discipline because you're just focusing on showing up
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rather than on making all of those decisions every single
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day that leads up to you actually completing that thing
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that you said you were going to do. Step three
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is I'd say you really need to focus on consistency,
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not
perfection. you're not always going to feel motivated. And
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that is okay. That is very normal. What matters is
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showing up even on the days where you're not at
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your best. So discipline can harbour huge amounts of shame.
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And while it's about keeping promises to yourself, that includes
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giving yourself grace when things aren't perfect. Because what you're
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going to do if you don't do that is you
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are going to get into a failure spiral. For example,
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at the moment, I am very much trying to stick
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to three workouts a week and three like good solid
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workouts a week. And that's not a lot, but I
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find myself very, very busy at the moment. So I
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haven't been finding that too easy to stick to. And
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I think in my mind, I've been like, that's so little.
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So I've always been like, need to do four or five,
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need to do four or five. And that is a
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good experience. of biting off more than I can chew
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but this week for example on Tuesday night I unexpectedly
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got back really really late and so Wednesday was meant
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to be my workout day and I just I was
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like I'm not going to get anywhere near enough sleep
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I really need some sleep dealing with some stress at
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the moment so it was just like I'm not going
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to work out tomorrow and what I could have done
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is not worked out and then like really beat myself
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up about it and then you get it into your
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head that rather than proving to yourself that you're a
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good person you stick to things you prove to yourself
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that you're not with just one slip up or not
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even slip up sometimes just a reprioritization and what you
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then do is you convince yourself of that and you
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start acting as if you are that instead it was
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just oh shit Okay, well, I'm prioritizing sleep actually today
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because I feel like I need to get a good
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amount of that. Otherwise, you know, I'm not going to
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be great on this big day. And I just said,
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I'm going to work out tomorrow morning instead. And I
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worked out this morning and I felt great about it.
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And I felt like, you know, even though the original
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plan was to do Wednesday... and I slipped up on
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that and I did Thursday, that's not a big deal
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at all. And I've just proved to myself that I'll
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stick to things and I've proved to myself that things
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can come up and I can still make my routine work.
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can't just be super, super rigid and sometimes it's not
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going to work out. At the same time, if I
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had one week where I just didn't get any in
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at all, I could basically give myself a really hard
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time all weekend and tell myself how terrible I was
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and just completely fall off or I could just basically
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ignore it and use discipline to stick to it next time.
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I think it takes a lot of discipline to actually
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keep sticking to things when you haven't necessarily been the
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best at them as well but do not fall into
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that trap of just like falling off because it is
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the path of least resistance. Now number four is managing
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your environment. You've got to set yourself up for success
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by creating an environment that makes it easy to be disciplined.
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So if you're trying to cut back on social media,
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delete apps, use website blockers. If you're trying to eat healthier,
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stock your fridge with the foods that you want to
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be eating. Think back to the decision fatigue. It doesn't
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make sense for you to be making your life harder
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for yourself all the time. And then step five is
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using accountability. I really, really recommend this. But having someone
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or something to hold you accountable makes discipline so much easier.
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So sharing your goals with a friend, hiring a coach
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or using a habit tracking app to stay on course.
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There's so many different options.
But when you're not just
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promising things to yourself and you're also promising things to
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other people, that's a great way of staying on track.
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What I would also say about this is having talked
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about self-worth in this guise, if you do not have
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super high self-worth or you think of yourself as someone
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who doesn't stick to things, sometimes it's not enough just
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to promise yourself to do something. Like sometimes you've got
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to recognise that actually, do you know what, I'm maybe
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not someone that that is enough for, I don't have
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that level of self-worth or I don't seem to stick
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to that. And sometimes telling someone else you're going to
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do something or promising someone else you're going to do
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something or telling them you're going to stay accountable to
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them and report back to them every week is a
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good way of starting to do that, not just for yourself,
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you're doing it for someone else, but in turn you're
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basically building up your own self-confidence and self-worth and proof
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that you are a disciplined person, even if it wasn't
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for yourself in the first place. Genuinely, those five steps,
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they sound pretty simple. I think a lot of people
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miss a few of them out, and that is where
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the continuous, like, falling off comes from again and again.
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And I think that the best thing you can do
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if you find yourself not necessarily being a really disciplined person,
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you want to be a disciplined person, is to write
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those five steps down and work out what that means
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for you. Like work out what reducing decision fatigue looks
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like for you. Work out what a good environment for
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being disciplined looks like for you. Write them down. I
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want like a list of how you can do that better.
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And I promise you it will unlock some things that
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you haven't even necessarily thought about before. I hope today's
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episode gave you a new way of thinking about discipline.
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It's not some magic skill that few people have and
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others don't. It's definitely something that you can build and
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strengthen over time. And if you want to read more
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on this topic, I've included a few recommendations in the notes.
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And thank you so much for listening. I will see
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you in the next episode of Working Hard, Hardly Working.