رونوشت کامل AEW DYNAMITE POST-SHOW (11/11): Keller & Zilem talk standout Ospreay-Fletcher exchange, Brody King silences crowd, Ospreay confronts Cope

right, 70 00:04:15.069 --> 00:04:16.170 but I think he said two years ago. 71 00:04:16.350 --> 00:04:16.829 Yeah. 72 00:04:16.910 --> 00:04:17.629 Either way, yeah. 73 00:04:17.769 --> 00:04:22.199 Yeah, but I don't think that was a coincidence if 74 00:04:22.220 --> 00:04:24.720 they decided to book this and kind of just named 75 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:31.600 it off. That was great. Like you said, just traditional– promo, 76 00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:33.879 build your main event, build. 77 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:35.000 That sense of doubt. 78 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:38.160 Because I wait, I had people text me and say, 79 00:04:38.620 --> 00:04:40.819 I think Fletcher should win this, which is you want 80 00:04:40.839 --> 00:04:42.970 to get that sense of doubt. Like you said, AW 81 00:04:43.649 --> 00:04:46.310 is going to do AW things to give you like, 82 00:04:47.089 --> 00:04:49.850 you know, well, everybody will debate. 83 00:04:49.910 --> 00:04:50.230 Okay. 84 00:04:50.269 --> 00:04:52.810 Was this an eight match? Was it an eight star 85 00:04:52.889 --> 00:04:55.389 rating match at eight out of 10, but like stuff 86 00:04:55.410 --> 00:04:57.129 like this, you do kind of like the meat and 87 00:04:57.149 --> 00:05:00.290 potatoes of stuff like that, that can, help you get 88 00:05:00.329 --> 00:05:02.269 those people on the fence. Okay, I'm going to sit 89 00:05:02.310 --> 00:05:04.629 down and commit a Saturday night, not a Sunday night, 90 00:05:04.670 --> 00:05:08.839 which I think will also help people tremendously. I'm invested 91 00:05:08.920 --> 00:05:09.439 in the show. 92 00:05:10.300 --> 00:05:13.939 So what we had here psychologically was a heel who 93 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:18.420 was rattled and then rationalized the points Will Ospreay was 94 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:21.490 making to say you always twist things in your favor 95 00:05:22.089 --> 00:05:24.550 and everybody in your life will realize it. The fans will, 96 00:05:24.569 --> 00:05:27.810 your colleagues in the back will, and eventually your wife will, 97 00:05:28.050 --> 00:05:32.740 and she'll leave you. and your son will. And if 98 00:05:32.779 --> 00:05:36.040 your son doesn't believe it, then I'll be there to 99 00:05:36.060 --> 00:05:37.879 tell him exactly what type of man his father is. 100 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:41.170 And as this was happening, I was like, I don't know. 101 00:05:41.230 --> 00:05:42.709 First of all, I don't know this segment needed that. 102 00:05:42.970 --> 00:05:44.730 I mean, I'm not being critical. I'm just like, it 103 00:05:44.790 --> 00:05:46.829 was so good up to that point. I was like, 104 00:05:46.930 --> 00:05:48.769 it doesn't need to get this personal and sort of 105 00:05:48.829 --> 00:05:50.709 tropey to go on your wife, this and your son, 106 00:05:50.750 --> 00:05:52.970 that we've gotten a lot of that lately. And, and, 107 00:05:53.089 --> 00:05:55.449 and even over the years in wrestling. And then I 108 00:05:55.470 --> 00:05:56.930 was a little worried too, that it's just going to 109 00:05:56.970 --> 00:05:59.790 lead to Osprey. Like, letting words get to him in 110 00:05:59.829 --> 00:06:02.430 sort of an irrational way that shows that Ospreay really 111 00:06:02.449 --> 00:06:05.089 hasn't grown up, that he's letting Fletcher get under his 112 00:06:05.149 --> 00:06:06.790 skin in a way that it's just words. He doesn't 113 00:06:06.970 --> 00:06:11.629 have to. Sometimes I feel like I get standing up 114 00:06:12.290 --> 00:06:15.540 for your family. I mean, like, of course, everybody instinctually 115 00:06:15.579 --> 00:06:17.199 thinks you want to root for someone who does it, 116 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:19.060 but you also want to root for someone who doesn't 117 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:23.879 take the bait. And Ospreay didn't. Like, that's what he didn't. 118 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:28.180 He didn't just go, oh, he loses temper or lose 119 00:06:28.220 --> 00:06:34.000 control and completely flip out. He held it together. He visually, 120 00:06:34.019 --> 00:06:35.850 and this is what I thought was really mature about 121 00:06:35.889 --> 00:06:40.170 his interview here compared to sometimes other people and sometimes 122 00:06:40.189 --> 00:06:42.730 him and his own promos in the past. You could 123 00:06:42.790 --> 00:06:45.329 see him gather himself. Didn't make a big production out 124 00:06:45.350 --> 00:06:47.920 of it. He didn't be like, he didn't like pace 125 00:06:47.980 --> 00:06:49.660 and circle. Like he didn't feel he had to overact. 126 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:51.779 People are glued to the screen at this point. And 127 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:54.459 Ospreay just looked down. He took like a long blank. 128 00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:57.819 He's like, deep breath. I'm not going to let this 129 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:01.610 asshole get to me. Yes. And I thought that was 130 00:07:02.019 --> 00:07:04.910 Ospreay growing up before our very eyes. It deflated Fletcher. 131 00:07:04.949 --> 00:07:10.350 Fletcher took his best shot at him. And it wasn't enough. 132 00:07:11.069 --> 00:07:16.589 It wasn't enough to get him completely rattled. And so 133 00:07:18.069 --> 00:07:20.910 I thought that was... I wouldn't say the high point 134 00:07:20.930 --> 00:07:22.529 of the promo. Maybe it was, I'm not even, that's 135 00:07:22.550 --> 00:07:24.110 not even relevant to my point. It was a promo 136 00:07:24.129 --> 00:07:25.750 where I thought there was a point at the promo 137 00:07:25.769 --> 00:07:27.389 where I thought, are they going to lose their way? 138 00:07:28.629 --> 00:07:31.810 And then, and then they didn't. And he just said, 139 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:37.019 you have improved dramatically. You have exceeded everyone's expectations, but 140 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:39.839 we do not stand on equal footing. I beat you 141 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:42.480 five out of six times the killer instincts that I 142 00:07:42.500 --> 00:07:44.240 had to show

Mox and Omega. I'm going to point 143 00:07:44.259 --> 00:07:46.139 the same gun and pull the trigger. The lights are 144 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:47.420 going to go out and you'll wake up and I'll 145 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:49.259 be standing on top of you with AW Championship. Because 146 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:50.860 when it comes to Kyle Fletcher and Will Ospreay, I'll 147 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:52.519 always have the high ground because my name is Will Ospreay. 148 00:07:52.870 --> 00:07:54.949 And I'm on another level, at which point Fletcher slapped him. 149 00:07:55.589 --> 00:07:58.389 And then he said, give me something. Come on, come on, 150 00:07:58.430 --> 00:08:00.769 give me something. And Ospreay goes, never. He didn't give 151 00:08:00.790 --> 00:08:03.569 it to him. And he dropped the mic. He dropped 152 00:08:03.589 --> 00:08:06.389 the mic and left. So what this showed is the 153 00:08:06.410 --> 00:08:10.000 baby face was the more mature, more in control. He 154 00:08:10.060 --> 00:08:13.949 was not taking the bait. And the thing that I 155 00:08:13.990 --> 00:08:15.889 really liked in the end here, I wasn't crazy about, like, 156 00:08:15.910 --> 00:08:17.269 I'm going to point the gun, but he saved it 157 00:08:17.290 --> 00:08:19.810 by going, I'm going to be, it was clearly figuratively, 158 00:08:20.350 --> 00:08:22.730 a figurative phrase in that. And then when you look up, 159 00:08:22.769 --> 00:08:25.750 I'll be standing over you. So it's a figurative use 160 00:08:25.810 --> 00:08:27.649 of the gun. We had a lot of gun references today. 161 00:08:28.050 --> 00:08:28.709 A lot of guns. 162 00:08:29.170 --> 00:08:31.629 Yeah, a lot of guns, machine guns and the Austin 163 00:08:31.649 --> 00:08:36.200 and Colton gun. And we had Bondito pointing the gun. 164 00:08:36.220 --> 00:08:36.440 Yeah. 165 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:38.860 So anyway, but this was early. We didn't have all 166 00:08:38.879 --> 00:08:44.639 that yet. So I like that. It ended up becoming 167 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:48.399 about the two things that I think pro wrestling strength 168 00:08:48.620 --> 00:08:51.830 is when it treats this as the peak thing a 169 00:08:51.889 --> 00:08:55.350 match is about. Pride of victory and the humiliation of defeat. 170 00:08:55.389 --> 00:08:57.330 I'm going to be standing over you. I'm going to 171 00:08:57.350 --> 00:08:58.779 prove I'm the alpha. I'm dominant. I'm better than you. 172 00:08:58.789 --> 00:09:00.610 I'm going to be standing over you. And I'll retain 173 00:09:00.629 --> 00:09:03.789 my title. That's all it has to be about almost 174 00:09:03.909 --> 00:09:07.639 all the time when it's a main event. Don't undersell 175 00:09:08.100 --> 00:09:10.460 or don't undervalue how much that can be enough in 176 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:13.019 storytelling in the pro wrestling world. I'm going to beat you. 177 00:09:13.299 --> 00:09:14.820 You're going to lose. I'm going to stand over you. 178 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:16.320 Fans are going to be happy I'm doing it because 179 00:09:16.779 --> 00:09:19.399 of all the things you just said, and I'll remain champion. 180 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:22.840 I thought there was discipline in there too. So they 181 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:25.340 took this really good promo and they didn't just fly 182 00:09:25.460 --> 00:09:31.240 off into some exaggerated, needlessly over the top conclusion. So yeah, 183 00:09:31.620 --> 00:09:33.100 I really, I want to draw attention to that because 184 00:09:33.179 --> 00:09:37.519 I thought we don't always see long promos and with 185 00:09:38.190 --> 00:09:40.789 I won't call that understated, but relative to some places 186 00:09:40.830 --> 00:09:42.639 we go, Ospreay was like, I'm going to kill you 187 00:09:42.860 --> 00:09:46.679 frothing at the mouth and beating him up and I'm 188 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:47.919 going to choke you to death. It's like, we didn't 189 00:09:47.940 --> 00:09:49.179 get that. I liked it. Brian, what'd you think? 190 00:09:50.100 --> 00:09:54.610 No, I echo everything you say. And even Ospreay using 191 00:09:54.649 --> 00:09:59.269 his unique kind of, some people might find it quirky 192 00:09:59.370 --> 00:10:02.929 or kind of off-putting. I don't think I've ever heard 193 00:10:02.950 --> 00:10:06.070 him reference like why his theme song is so important 194 00:10:06.110 --> 00:10:10.070 for him. And then him referencing how he felt an 195 00:10:10.269 --> 00:10:14.220 obligation to go out there within that first year to 196 00:10:14.340 --> 00:10:17.799 service the fans because he felt so obligated because if 197 00:10:17.820 --> 00:10:19.799 he didn't go out there, he let he would let 198 00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:23.100 everybody down and obviously Fletcher wanted to be acknowledged for, 199 00:10:23.299 --> 00:10:26.299 you know, hurting Osprey, you know, as a heel, cause 200 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:29.279 he's going to do that. But I found that so 201 00:10:29.460 --> 00:10:32.970 charming because it sounds, it sounds very silly, right? Because, 202 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:34.789 you know, you've got people that are always wanting to 203 00:10:34.830 --> 00:10:38.250 clap through their songs, but he said, it's a, I 204 00:10:38.289 --> 00:10:40.629 forget the exact wording. He, it was almost like a 205 00:10:41.169 --> 00:10:42.990 kind of a coat of arms. I think that's what 206 00:10:43.009 --> 00:10:45.549 he said when he's going out there for the fans 207 00:10:45.590 --> 00:10:49.659 and because it means so much to them. And I 208 00:10:49.679 --> 00:10:53.759 just found that so it's unique. It's different. It sounds 209 00:10:53.799 --> 00:10:57.240 silly on the surface, but find a way to have 210 00:10:57.279 --> 00:11:00.299 it relate and make sense. And like you said, it 211 00:11:00.539 --> 00:11:02.820 wasn't just that, or like, I'm going to kill you 212 00:11:02.840 --> 00:11:07.080 foam at the mouth is like so boring, overdone passe.

And, 213 00:11:07.580 --> 00:11:09.539 you know, Osprey doesn't need to be that guy. And 214 00:11:09.580 --> 00:11:13.379 then I even like how he acknowledged, Hey, after I 215 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:16.200 came back to surgery, I beat Kenny Omega and, I 216 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:17.940 was there when the fans needed me the most, when 217 00:11:18.100 --> 00:11:20.009 they needed me to hit a black arrow. I was 218 00:11:20.070 --> 00:11:22.070 there for them. I'll always be for them. And that's 219 00:11:22.250 --> 00:11:25.250 what you want. You know, it felt very, you know, 220 00:11:25.590 --> 00:11:28.669 last couple of years, it felt like your Cody Rhodes, 221 00:11:28.690 --> 00:11:31.460 your top tier baby face. That's what you want to see. 222 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:34.299 This is the guy that's going to sell merch, put 223 00:11:34.379 --> 00:11:36.080 butts in seats. This is the guy that's going to 224 00:11:36.100 --> 00:11:38.139 sell pay-per-views. 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Yeah, I 244 00:12:42.460 --> 00:12:46.000 think Ospreay's saying, I felt an obligation seven months into 245 00:12:46.019 --> 00:12:49.259 my first AW contract to Tony Khan, to the fans. 246 00:12:52.409 --> 00:12:56.250 Ospreay's framing himself as somebody who isn't in it just 247 00:12:56.450 --> 00:12:57.809 for the money. 248 00:12:58.389 --> 00:12:59.429 Right. 249 00:12:59.450 --> 00:13:02.450 In the sense that I got the money and I 250 00:13:04.009 --> 00:13:06.539 felt like an obligation to fight through it. And he's like, 251 00:13:06.580 --> 00:13:10.559 I've wrestled with one arm practically during his insane. Doesn't 252 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:11.190 know how he did it. 253 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:11.580 Yeah. 254 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:16.820 Um, and so, so that was good. And I also, 255 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:19.240 I mean, there's a lot of good about Osprey here. Um, 256 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:22.580 I think Fletcher rose to the occasion. Um, I think 257 00:13:22.620 --> 00:13:24.919 there was a comment in there, you know, was it 258 00:13:24.990 --> 00:13:28.789 Osprey said you've overachieved people's expectations. I don't think it 259 00:13:28.809 --> 00:13:32.899 was self bragging. Yeah. Um, I'll insert here because I 260 00:13:32.919 --> 00:13:34.460 want to do it quickly. I don't want to dwell 261 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:37.299 on it, but I had a big problem, a pretty 262 00:13:37.340 --> 00:13:40.899 big problem with one aspect of this, which is Osprey 263 00:13:41.019 --> 00:13:48.610 early on when Fletcher was complimentary to him. And he 264 00:13:48.649 --> 00:13:51.830 talked about the championships and, you know, he had got married, 265 00:13:51.850 --> 00:13:55.169 had neck surgery, returned from neck surgery, won titles. But 266 00:13:55.210 --> 00:13:57.029 he says, you know, none of that would happen if 267 00:13:57.350 --> 00:13:58.570 not for Osprey. And then he said he was a 268 00:13:58.590 --> 00:14:00.409 catalyst for that. I want to say thank you. And 269 00:14:00.429 --> 00:14:02.600 Ospreay goes, well, that wasn't the encounter I expected. After 270 00:14:02.620 --> 00:14:04.409 all we've been through, those words mean a lot to me, 271 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:09.100 so thank you. And I'm like, we're just a few 272 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:14.269 days away, removed from the scene, and actually just 10 273 00:14:14.269 --> 00:14:18.289 minutes or five minutes removed from a video of a crazy, wild-eyed, 274 00:14:18.889 --> 00:14:23.340 enraged Fletcher with a screwdriver in a stabbing motion, threatening 275 00:14:23.379 --> 00:14:28.710 to stab Ospreay in the neck. or his eyeball or what, 276 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:30.950 you know, like through his ear canal, whatever it was. 277 00:14:31.730 --> 00:14:35.690 So that Copeland had to quit on his behalf. I just, 278 00:14:36.529 --> 00:14:39.230 if you want us to believe that that is real 279 00:14:39.269 --> 00:14:43.090 and it's not just done because the fourth grade, the 280 00:14:43.149 --> 00:14:45.330 fourth grader in your head thinks, wouldn't it be cool 281 00:14:45.370 --> 00:14:47.289 if someone threatened to kill, stab someone to death

with 282 00:14:47.330 --> 00:14:49.250 a screwdriver at a wrestling match. That's just what a 283 00:14:49.289 --> 00:14:50.850 fourth grader says. Wouldn't it be cool if we did that? 284 00:14:51.269 --> 00:14:52.830 Grownups in the room are supposed to say no, because 285 00:14:52.850 --> 00:14:55.590 we can't own it. And this, this early on in 286 00:14:55.610 --> 00:14:58.389 the promo, it was, It showed why you shouldn't include 287 00:14:58.460 --> 00:15:01.460 screwdrivers and stuff like that because you can't come back 288 00:15:01.500 --> 00:15:03.779 from it. You can't then go to the next chapter 289 00:15:04.179 --> 00:15:06.320 because that should be the only thing you're thinking about 290 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:11.019 is he threatened. Now, if Osprey, if, and this gets 291 00:15:11.059 --> 00:15:13.360 into the Copeland Osprey thing, but if Osprey stances, he 292 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:15.580 wasn't going to do it. You know, no, I know him. 293 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:17.340 He's not, he just wanted, he put on a big show. 294 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:20.340 He wasn't going to do it. But for Osprey to 295 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:23.759 have that be happy to have that happen. And then 296 00:15:23.799 --> 00:15:26.750 it go. ah, so thank you. That means a lot 297 00:15:26.789 --> 00:15:28.320 to me. Like, why would that mean a lot to me? 298 00:15:28.340 --> 00:15:32.279 He's threatening to kill you a week ago. So, it 299 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:34.320 felt incongruent. It felt, you know, it just, it was 300 00:15:34.360 --> 00:15:35.860 a moment that took me out of it. I'm like, no, 301 00:15:36.100 --> 00:15:38.419 Osprey's not going to be like, oh, the guy who 302 00:15:38.440 --> 00:15:40.279 held the screwdriver to my head and neck a week 303 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:43.039 ago now has some kind words for me. Oh, I 304 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:45.759 misjudged you. So, I just, I would have taken that 305 00:15:45.779 --> 00:15:48.919 part out, honestly. Or I would have inserted Osprey to go, 306 00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:50.480 you expect me to believe that when a week ago 307 00:15:50.500 --> 00:15:51.860 you're pointing a screwdriver. 308 00:15:51.500 --> 00:15:51.919 At my neck? 309 00:15:52.139 --> 00:15:54.570 Come on. I'm not that gullible. But he was gullible. 310 00:15:54.830 --> 00:15:56.799 Didn't like that. All right. I don't have more to 311 00:15:56.830 --> 00:15:57.899 say about you. Brian, you can, but. 312 00:15:58.389 --> 00:15:58.889 No, no, no. 313 00:15:59.370 --> 00:16:00.649 I'm glad you brought that up because I thought you 314 00:16:00.669 --> 00:16:03.490 were actually going to mention something else. And it's, I 315 00:16:03.549 --> 00:16:07.409 just wish, you know, obviously, I guess now November is, 316 00:16:08.289 --> 00:16:10.750 you know, blood and gut season. I guess we just 317 00:16:10.769 --> 00:16:13.509 have to accept that now. could we not sell blood 318 00:16:13.529 --> 00:16:15.529 and guts as a match? Like, could we not, I 319 00:16:15.549 --> 00:16:18.529 don't think anybody was limping at all. I don't need it. 320 00:16:18.549 --> 00:16:21.210 I don't need everybody to be in like full Wally 321 00:16:21.230 --> 00:16:25.379 Coyote bandaid, like, like bandages. Like that's fine. But at 322 00:16:25.419 --> 00:16:28.240 least like sell it a little bit. Cause it just, 323 00:16:28.539 --> 00:16:30.519 you know, cause we'll even mentioned in his promo, he's 324 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:32.899 a hundred percent. I was like, are you, I don't 325 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:34.440 think you should be a hundred percent right now. 326 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:35.840 Like you've been wrestling a lot. 327 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:39.470 Like, I mean, that was the one kind of like, ah, like, 328 00:16:40.409 --> 00:16:42.370 you know, you were so, this was so, there was 329 00:16:42.409 --> 00:16:45.389 so much to like about it that if people like, 330 00:16:45.610 --> 00:16:48.789 like you mentioned, that's a kind of like inconsistent thing 331 00:16:48.809 --> 00:16:51.110 that you could have fixed, but like, you know, just, 332 00:16:51.450 --> 00:16:53.250 you know, things to pick at, but I mean, still 333 00:16:53.269 --> 00:16:54.649 a lot to like in the promo overall. 334 00:16:55.870 --> 00:16:57.379 Derek Mitchell in the chat says, wait, I wasn't a 335 00:16:57.389 --> 00:16:59.320 fan of Osprey either being so complimentary toward a guy 336 00:16:59.340 --> 00:17:00.960 who allegedly was going to stab him with a screwdriver. 337 00:17:00.980 --> 00:17:02.580 I thought that was an odd direction to take things 338 00:17:02.620 --> 00:17:05.960 given the circumstances. And it, to me, it's like, okay. 339 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:07.880 I mean, obviously I don't think, A lot of people 340 00:17:07.900 --> 00:17:09.279 were thinking about that by the end of the promo. 341 00:17:09.579 --> 00:17:10.900 If it was like the crescendo of the promo, I'd 342 00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:13.079 be more critical of it. They just kind of moved 343 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:17.950 away from it. But it is, to me, telling, symptomatic 344 00:17:18.789 --> 00:17:22.470 of an issue that sort of permeates a lot of 345 00:17:22.710 --> 00:17:26.450 decision-making creatively in wrestling, which is trying to adhere to 346 00:17:26.470 --> 00:17:30.569 a consistent application of how people would expect you to 347 00:17:30.630 --> 00:17:33.910 react to what you did 10 minutes ago, on social 348 00:17:33.930 --> 00:17:36.700 media three days ago. Or one week ago in a 349 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:39.259 bloody match. I always use the term own it. Own 350 00:17:39.299 --> 00:17:41.640 what you do. And if you do something you can't 351 00:17:41.819 --> 00:17:43.099 own because it gets in the way of telling a 352 00:17:43.460 --> 00:17:45.460 more reasonable, nuanced story the next week, then don't do 353 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:47.420 it in the first place. There's a bunch of things 354

00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:50.549 that they could have done that would have been threatening 355 00:17:50.589 --> 00:17:54.130 enough for Copeland to say I quit on behalf of 356 00:17:54.150 --> 00:17:57.160 my team. Than threatening to stab someone in the neck 357 00:17:57.180 --> 00:18:00.069 with a screwdriver. Besides the point that nobody thinks Fletcher 358 00:18:00.089 --> 00:18:01.400 is going to really stab him in the neck with 359 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:03.309 a screwdriver. So you're watching something being threatened. And you 360 00:18:03.390 --> 00:18:04.789 know in the context of being a wrestling fan. And 361 00:18:04.809 --> 00:18:09.789 wrestling isn't going to happen. So don't do it. But 362 00:18:10.349 --> 00:18:14.190 obviously after that is when he said that his song 363 00:18:14.230 --> 00:18:16.829 is important to him. The Osprey chant is like his 364 00:18:16.930 --> 00:18:20.609 bat signal. To fight for his title. Fight for his legacy. 365 00:18:21.509 --> 00:18:23.750 And then they got into who gets credit for breaking 366 00:18:23.789 --> 00:18:27.000 his neck. Um, and Osprey made the case. Hey, outlasted 367 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:29.779 seven of AW's best in, in a clockwork carnage. I 368 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:32.279 dethroned the ace. As you said, noted, I shot the 369 00:18:32.299 --> 00:18:33.980 black arrow when the world needed it most. And I 370 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:39.099 beat Kenny Omega and won his title. Um, and then they, uh, he, 371 00:18:39.359 --> 00:18:41.059 then we got into the thing of what was crossing 372 00:18:41.099 --> 00:18:42.569 your mind at all. And when I walked past you 373 00:18:42.589 --> 00:18:45.069 in the aisle during that legendary entrance, and I thought 374 00:18:45.089 --> 00:18:48.049 that was a really cool callback. Fletcher said, I felt nothing. 375 00:18:48.650 --> 00:18:51.450 And then he rattled him. And got Fletcher to admit, yeah, 376 00:18:51.750 --> 00:18:53.910 I felt jealous. Are you happy? Are you happy? 377 00:18:53.930 --> 00:18:54.359 I admit it. 378 00:18:54.390 --> 00:18:58.829 I felt jealous. Yes, I was jealous. But then he 379 00:18:58.869 --> 00:19:01.000 recovers it. But the feeling didn't last long. I'll admit it. 380 00:19:01.490 --> 00:19:03.099 But then I realized that I'm going to take it 381 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:04.539 all away from you and that's going to feel great. 382 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:06.640 And that'll be a crowning achievement to take it away 383 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:10.660 from you for myself. So, yeah, you already mentioned that 384 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:12.279 part of the promo, but that came next. And then 385 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:15.500 I wasn't even thinking about the silliness of Osprey going, oh, 386 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:17.160 I'm so touched by you after you were going to 387 00:19:17.180 --> 00:19:18.539 murder me last week. So, yeah. 388 00:19:19.380 --> 00:19:23.180 Any problem? So I actually liked the transition of how

389 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:26.900 he brought up the clip because he said, Hey, camera guy. 390 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:27.339 Yes. 391 00:19:27.619 --> 00:19:31.289 I called you at 10 o'clock. Now normally visible, invisible 392 00:19:31.329 --> 00:19:36.190 camera stuff stinks, but he, he, like you said, he paused. 393 00:19:36.210 --> 00:19:39.730 He's like camera guy. We had a conversation at 10 AM. 394 00:19:39.849 --> 00:19:43.519 So he, he, he cut this out. And I also 395 00:19:43.579 --> 00:19:46.769 liked how it was just, The clip, you didn't hear, like, 396 00:19:46.849 --> 00:19:50.150 obviously the music and the crowd in the background. It 397 00:19:50.170 --> 00:19:52.390 was just a clip. So you could tell it was 398 00:19:52.430 --> 00:19:55.220 an edit. Like, obviously, I don't think Osprey's going to 399 00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:56.779 do it, but he obviously went in the back and 400 00:19:56.940 --> 00:20:00.180 spoke to the camera people. So that is how you 401 00:20:00.220 --> 00:20:05.140 can kind of, in canon, make it make sense. That's 402 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:08.319 what we, like, when we're having conversations about these shows with, 403 00:20:08.730 --> 00:20:11.150 Make it make sense. And that absolutely actually in canon 404 00:20:11.190 --> 00:20:12.329 makes sense. Yep. 405 00:20:12.930 --> 00:20:16.509 And no, exactly. And the fact that it was a 406 00:20:16.549 --> 00:20:19.710 scheduled face-to-face made it make sense that Osprey would have said, 407 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:21.359 I planned ahead. This is something I want to confront 408 00:20:21.380 --> 00:20:23.700 you with because I really need to know. We have 409 00:20:23.740 --> 00:20:25.359 a history. What was going through your mind when I 410 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:28.759 walked past you? And so, again, they went to the 411 00:20:28.779 --> 00:20:30.400 trouble to make it believable. They also, by the way, 412 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:34.730 when they had the camera follow Osprey into the locker room. 413 00:20:34.809 --> 00:20:36.390 They set that up. Oh, that was great. 414 00:20:36.750 --> 00:20:39.240 They set that up. by saying Tony Schiavone was headed 415 00:20:39.259 --> 00:20:43.839 there with a camera to interview Osprey. Because Tony Khan 416 00:20:43.859 --> 00:20:45.539 told me on the eve of the first Dynamite, when 417 00:20:45.579 --> 00:20:47.480 I did a long interview with him, he's like, Wade, 418 00:20:47.569 --> 00:20:49.890 one thing I'm never going to do, I'm never going 419 00:20:49.910 --> 00:20:53.650 to have an unexplained camera or an invisible camera backstage. 420 00:20:53.690 --> 00:20:55.430 You really want to stay away from that. I don't 421 00:20:55.470 --> 00:20:57.670 know if he's 100% on that. I know we had 422 00:20:57.690 --> 00:21:01.339 the weird... camera in the SUV once early on. And 423 00:21:01.480 --> 00:21:03.259 I texted Tony. I'm like, what about that? Or I 424 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:04.940 don't know. And he's like, yeah, we won't do that again. 425 00:21:06.339 --> 00:21:07.880 He tried to explain it. He's like, no, but you're right. 426 00:21:07.900 --> 00:21:11.890 We shouldn't do that. So honestly, like he's really tries 427 00:21:11.970 --> 00:21:16.690 to explain that, you know, we had on NXT last night, 428 00:21:17.109 --> 00:21:20.230 Thea Hales going, keep this between us talking to some, 429 00:21:20.299 --> 00:21:23.259 and the camera's right there filming her, you know? And 430 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:25.079 she had just, she was talking about her, her hair 431 00:21:25.099 --> 00:21:27.259 falling out on social media, but then she's confiding in 432 00:21:27.299 --> 00:21:28.880 a friend with a camera in front of her. Please 433 00:21:28.940 --> 00:21:32.440 don't tell anyone about this. Keep this between us. It's 434 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:36.150 just utter nonsense that we can't keep a consistent narrative structure. 435 00:21:36.190 --> 00:21:38.450 So Tony's always cared about that. And you brought up 436 00:21:38.490 --> 00:21:40.910 an instance of it where Osprey did it. And then 437 00:21:41.349 --> 00:21:43.509 also the announcers did it for the locker room interview. 438 00:21:44.309 --> 00:21:46.329 All that stuff adds up to a more immersive world 439 00:21:46.349 --> 00:21:47.609 you can live in and buy into. 440 00:21:48.269 --> 00:21:48.470 Yeah. 441 00:21:48.609 --> 00:21:52.509 And the overlap connectivity of how you went from that 442 00:21:52.670 --> 00:21:55.750 to the... because I was even fired up after, I 443 00:21:55.869 --> 00:21:57.190 know we haven't talked about it yet. I don't know. 444 00:21:57.410 --> 00:21:59.450 We need to wrap it up here, but that I 445 00:21:59.470 --> 00:22:02.289 thought that was a Cope's best promo in AEW. I 446 00:22:02.309 --> 00:22:04.329 don't know about you, Wade. I thought that was fantastic. 447 00:22:04.789 --> 00:22:04.910 Yeah. 448 00:22:04.950 --> 00:22:07.210 Well, let's, let's say that cause that's a whole other topic, 449 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:07.740 but okay. 450 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:08.279 Fantastic. 451 00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:10.299 But no, it was good. So teaser. 452 00:22:10.619 --> 00:22:10.940 I like it. 453 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:14.940 I've got another comment here. Andrew WR says, I believe 454 00:22:14.980 --> 00:22:18.059 both guys perspectives on this fight. Yeah. That's a good 455 00:22:18.099 --> 00:22:19.420 way to come away from it too. I know I'm 456 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:21.880 rooting for, but I don't feel like either of them 457 00:22:21.900 --> 00:22:28.200 were BSing. Like I, they both totally like spoke from 458 00:22:28.420 --> 00:22:31.559 a perspective that I understand. And I believe, I mean, 459 00:22:31.960 --> 00:22:33.930 that's what you go for. That's what you go for. 460 00:22:34.410 --> 00:22:34.569 Yeah. 461 00:22:34.869 --> 00:22:36.089 Derek Mitchell, by the way, points out, this is the 462 00:22:36.150 --> 00:22:37.990 first night

in 10 weeks. Well, I'll spray didn't wrestle 463 00:22:38.009 --> 00:22:39.150 since winning the AW world title. 464 00:22:39.569 --> 00:22:39.990 Wow. 465 00:22:40.369 --> 00:22:43.210 Hey, nice. Not over yet. Derek, we're, we're, we're keeping 466 00:22:43.230 --> 00:22:44.710 an eye. If you see me looking off to the side, 467 00:22:44.730 --> 00:22:46.950 I'm keeping an eye on, on the collision portion of this. 468 00:22:46.990 --> 00:22:48.799 And I'm not ruling out an impromptu. We'll ask for 469 00:22:48.819 --> 00:22:52.880 a match later. I'm, joking I would be very surprised 470 00:22:53.099 --> 00:22:55.599 if that happens uh Mark Buschetti says I've enjoyed some 471 00:22:55.619 --> 00:22:57.920 of Osprey's journey and his matches are extremely athletic but 472 00:22:57.940 --> 00:22:59.420 I've never felt he was a fighter so even though 473 00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:01.400 it was an intense promo I never felt that big 474 00:23:01.460 --> 00:23:05.160 fight feel with him um well hopefully this moved you 475 00:23:05.180 --> 00:23:08.720 in that direction um tonight Mark because this was a 476 00:23:08.869 --> 00:23:11.670 heck of a promo okay so let's actually pause introduce 477 00:23:11.710 --> 00:23:14.329 ourselves briefly and then let's talk about the Copeland segment 478 00:23:14.450 --> 00:23:16.549 next backstage in the locker room and I've got a 479 00:23:16.569 --> 00:23:18.210 critique of that too okay. 480 00:23:20.380 --> 00:23:23.230 On Tuesday nights, the conversation doesn't stop when NXT ends. 481 00:23:23.390 --> 00:23:25.970 It's just getting started. 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So, uh, speaking of our podcasts, um, 621 00:30:02.789 --> 00:30:06.509 if you haven't yet check out yesterday's flagship episode of 622 00:30:06.549 --> 00:30:09.309 the Wade Keller pro wrestling podcast, this is our red 623 00:30:09.349 --> 00:30:11.910 logo show, which is our post shows, but the blue 624 00:30:11.930 --> 00:30:15.029 logo show features our weekly flagship almost always drops on 625 00:30:15.130 --> 00:30:18.309 Tuesday nights. And then that feed also includes five, 10 626 00:30:18.309 --> 00:30:22.650 and 15 years ago, flashbacks of our flagship along with, uh, interviews, 627 00:30:22.690 --> 00:30:27.240 some big name interviews, pay-per-view previews, mailbags, um, more, but mostly, uh, 628 00:30:27.569 --> 00:30:31.269 It's anchored by that Tuesday night flagship PW torch VIP analyst, 629 00:30:31.309 --> 00:30:33.329 rich fan joined me and we covered a lot of 630 00:30:33.569 --> 00:30:36.730 WWE and AEW topics. So I'll check that out. Search 631 00:30:36.750 --> 00:30:38.369 Wade Keller in your podcast app. If you're watching us 632 00:30:38.430 --> 00:30:40.319 on YouTube, it is not a YouTube show. It's audio 633 00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:44.640 only podcast only search Wade Keller and subscribe. All right. 634 00:30:44.660 --> 00:30:48.000 I think that covers the main stuff, Brian. So let's 635 00:30:48.460 --> 00:30:53.539 let's go to Copeland and Osprey. So we noted that. 636 00:30:54.789 --> 00:30:56.759 Tony Schiavone set it up saying, or the announcer set up, 637 00:30:56.789 --> 00:30:59.269 that Tony was going to go interview Ospreay. Tony never 638 00:30:59.289 --> 00:31:02.269 made it into the room. The camera guy did. And Ospreay, 639 00:31:02.289 --> 00:31:05.170 there was silence. His teammates were kind of collecting themselves 640 00:31:05.210 --> 00:31:09.190 after their loss. Stephen Borden, the Young Bucks, and Copeland 641 00:31:09.210 --> 00:31:11.890 were sitting there. And then Ospreay said, I'll break the silence. 642 00:31:12.109 --> 00:31:17.690 And he chewed out Copeland for quitting. And Ospreay said, 643 00:31:17.710 --> 00:31:20.809 you know, there were kids in t-shirts who were counting 644 00:31:20.930 --> 00:31:25.039 on us. They... You shouldn't have quit. You quit on us. 645 00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:28.599 You quit on the kids. You quit on what we 646 00:31:28.619 --> 00:31:31.180 set out to do. And Copeland sharply interrupted him and said, 647 00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:33.940 shut up. We're getting tired of this. I had to 648 00:31:33.980 --> 00:31:36.839 retire for nine years because of choices I made, and 649 00:31:36.859 --> 00:31:39.420 that's on me. And he asked Osprey how old he was. 650 00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:42.900 Osprey said 33. And Copeland says, you got double fusion 651 00:31:42.940 --> 00:31:45.309 neck surgery, right? Double fusion in your neck. Well, you'll 652 00:31:45.349 --> 00:31:47.410 end up with a third like I have, and it 653 00:31:47.589 --> 00:31:50.289 sucks waking up with it every day. He said, if 654 00:31:50.309 --> 00:31:52.430 they can't understand that quote, then maybe this isn't the 655 00:31:52.470 --> 00:31:55.150 place for me. Maybe it's passed me by. And he 656 00:31:55.170 --> 00:31:58.720 got up and left. The others called half-heartedly for Copeland 657 00:31:58.740 --> 00:32:00.799 to come back, but I think they knew he wouldn't. 658 00:32:00.819 --> 00:32:02.920 The segment didn't overstay its welcome, got to the point. 659 00:32:04.579 --> 00:32:09.759 So performance, thumbs up from both Osprey and Copeland. I 660 00:32:09.779 --> 00:32:12.309 like the selling of the agony of defeat. I think 661 00:32:12.609 --> 00:32:15.769 going into a losing locker room is a sports story 662 00:32:16.130 --> 00:32:19.190 and it's inevitable, no matter how good you are at anything. 663 00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:21.559 At team sport and individual sport, there will be wins 664 00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:24.420 and there will be losses. And the wins, they can't 665 00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:26.740 expect fans to care about wins if they don't think 666 00:32:26.769 --> 00:32:30.690 wrestlers care about losing. I know I was a longtime 667 00:32:30.769 --> 00:32:34.190 Vikings season ticket holder at the old Metrodome. And when 668

00:32:34.210 --> 00:32:37.089 the Vikings would lose, my heart would be broken. You know, 669 00:32:37.130 --> 00:32:39.490 it's like, oh, man, you start calibrating. What does a 670 00:32:39.509 --> 00:32:41.609 loss mean to your playoff standing? You lost to a rival. 671 00:32:41.670 --> 00:32:43.430 Your friends across the board are going to be gloating. 672 00:32:44.029 --> 00:32:46.990 And it always bothered me. And I'm mature enough to 673 00:32:47.009 --> 00:32:51.210 understand why, but it didn't matter. I was bothered by 674 00:32:51.230 --> 00:32:55.269 the Vikings and the Packers hobnobbing. Oh, my Ohio State 675 00:32:55.349 --> 00:32:58.059 football fellow alum, let's chat about things. Let's go out 676 00:32:58.099 --> 00:33:00.559 to dinner. Good game. I'm like, no, I want you 677 00:33:00.579 --> 00:33:03.420 to be angry and bitter. If I want cheap shots, 678 00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:06.140 I want you to pie face people. If some Packer 679 00:33:06.180 --> 00:33:07.819 comes up to a Viking after the Packers beat you 680 00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:10.259 on them, I want to pie face them away. We'll 681 00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:12.019 talk later, but I'm too upset right now to have 682 00:33:12.059 --> 00:33:14.480 a reasonable conversation with you. I didn't like when they 683 00:33:14.500 --> 00:33:18.420 all got together. So, I mean, I think it's natural 684 00:33:18.460 --> 00:33:20.559 to feel that way, but I liked the window into 685 00:33:20.579 --> 00:33:22.730 the locker room. So I'll talk about my issue with it, 686 00:33:22.779 --> 00:33:25.259 but Brian, you brought it up. You like Copeland. Elaborate 687 00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:27.059 on what you liked about this segment. 688 00:33:27.180 --> 00:33:30.009 Well, I don't think I've ever related more to Adam 689 00:33:30.049 --> 00:33:33.109 Copeland in my entire life, Wade, because he said he 690 00:33:33.180 --> 00:33:35.440 wakes up every day feeling like a bag of S. 691 00:33:36.109 --> 00:33:41.329 And I just, you know, because normally sometimes Copeland promos 692 00:33:41.349 --> 00:33:43.529 can be, you know, like.... 693 00:33:45.220 --> 00:33:46.759 Pretty, uh, yeah. 694 00:33:46.779 --> 00:33:51.920 Try hard, gritty, just tough, old man, wrestler. Um, and I, 695 00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:56.519 you know, I think the atmosphere helped cause it was silence. 696 00:33:56.660 --> 00:33:58.940 And then he was trying to relate to Osprey. Hey, 697 00:33:58.980 --> 00:34:01.410 I wasn't trying to just like, you know, be a 698 00:34:01.450 --> 00:34:03.490 wimp and quit. I was actually trying to be considerate 699 00:34:03.789 --> 00:34:06.569 because my life, like I wake up to this every day. 700 00:34:06.630 --> 00:34:08.449 I don't want anybody else to have to go through this. 701 00:34:08.530 --> 00:34:14.000 And I, that's admirable. Like that's completely understandable. And you know, um, I, I, 702 00:34:14.530 --> 00:34:16.909 in my head canon, it's like, okay, are you worried 703 00:34:16.949 --> 00:34:22.650 about Osprey getting a screwdriver in his eye? Darby can 704 00:34:22.670 --> 00:34:25.150 take a bump. He'll be fine. He's just going to 705 00:34:25.170 --> 00:34:26.190 fall to his death. 706 00:34:26.210 --> 00:34:26.610 He's fine. 707 00:34:26.710 --> 00:34:30.449 Is he caring about Steven? Everybody was in peril, but 708 00:34:30.510 --> 00:34:35.789 I just... He's trying to rationalize that, and it made sense. 709 00:34:35.929 --> 00:34:39.840 It wasn't like he wasn't growling, he wasn't foaming in 710 00:34:39.860 --> 00:34:46.079 the mouth, and he just left out of frustration. It's potentially... teasing, uh, 711 00:34:46.139 --> 00:34:50.039 you know, this match at some point between Copeland and Osprey. 712 00:34:50.260 --> 00:34:52.440 I don't know when it's going to happen, but, and it's, 713 00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:55.530 it's cope turning heel. Uh, you know, is that a 714 00:34:55.550 --> 00:34:58.639 bad decision? Especially if he's, you know, officially retiring at 715 00:34:58.659 --> 00:35:01.170 some point, I don't know when, uh, you know, uh, 716 00:35:01.530 --> 00:35:04.329 it's interesting stuff. Like I'm very, very, very, very interested 717 00:35:04.369 --> 00:35:05.769 in see what they, what happens. 718 00:35:05.570 --> 00:35:08.929 Next with this. Yeah, for sure. Um, I think the 719 00:35:08.949 --> 00:35:10.849 setting helped, you know, just the locker room scene is 720 00:35:10.869 --> 00:35:13.030 different for him. He's not staring at a camera, uh, 721 00:35:13.340 --> 00:35:15.860 where it turns into a performance and yes you know 722 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:18.260 i you know joke a lot of copeland's promos are 723 00:35:18.300 --> 00:35:20.409 the old for your consideration for the emmy scene that 724 00:35:20.429 --> 00:35:22.849 they splice from tv shows or for your consideration for 725 00:35:22.869 --> 00:35:24.329 an oscar from the movies and they send them to 726 00:35:24.369 --> 00:35:26.530 all the people who who get to vote and it's 727 00:35:26.570 --> 00:35:28.690 like you can sometimes see in a it was kind 728 00:35:28.730 --> 00:35:30.639 of a thing people talked about in tv series over 729 00:35:30.659 --> 00:35:32.980 the years where you know an elite actor be like 730 00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:37.579 where's my scene this season that we're going to submit 731 00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:39.519 to the Emmys, where I get to really show my 732 00:35:39.619 --> 00:35:42.039 acting chops. And it ends up kind of historically being 733 00:35:42.059 --> 00:35:45.539 a little melodramatic, a little theatrical. And a lot of 734 00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:48.760 what Copeland has done, it's just like, okay, this is 735 00:35:48.780 --> 00:35:50.199 the one he's submitting to the Emmy. It's a little 736 00:35:50.219 --> 00:35:52.559 bit over the top and theatrical, a little too much. 737 00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:56.719 Just the bug guy. There's times it's worked. A lot 738

00:35:56.739 --> 00:35:58.469 of times I'm like, let's dial it down just a 739 00:35:58.489 --> 00:36:04.730 little much. This felt like an elder statesman on a 740 00:36:04.769 --> 00:36:10.090 team in a locker room, speaking from experience and yeah. 741 00:36:10.809 --> 00:36:13.030 Yeah. And, and then also just kind of looking at 742 00:36:13.070 --> 00:36:15.909 his own mortality a little bit, because like you said, 743 00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:20.300 it's the sports like atmosphere. It, you know, especially you 744 00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:22.960 look at somebody like LeBron James, we don't know if 745 00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:25.199 this year is going to be his last year. Maybe 746 00:36:25.219 --> 00:36:27.400 it is. Maybe it isn't. I mean, after last night's performance, 747 00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:29.980 I'd probably consider it because I mean, man, he sure 748 00:36:30.019 --> 00:36:33.489 did show his age yesterday, but he's also, you know, 42, 41. 749 00:36:33.489 --> 00:36:36.860 Every once in a while. He looks, really good yes 750 00:36:36.900 --> 00:36:39.440 never great anymore but really good and then other times 751 00:36:39.460 --> 00:36:42.159 you're like oh my god he should have stayed in 752 00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:42.989 bed today. 753 00:36:42.730 --> 00:36:48.389 Yeah yes exactly so and i i as the sports 754 00:36:48.690 --> 00:36:52.210 like atmosphere i can also rationalize he's looking at his 755 00:36:52.510 --> 00:36:54.789 own mortality because he said he wants to kind of 756 00:36:54.829 --> 00:36:57.869 go out and wait didn't he because he referenced he 757 00:36:57.889 --> 00:36:59.829 wants to win the world championship did you not i'm 758 00:36:59.849 --> 00:37:01.809 not making that up so he's trying to like and 759 00:37:01.829 --> 00:37:04.659 then he's like obviously he friendly with Ospreay right now 760 00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:06.659 and he's trying to figure out how he can get there. 761 00:37:06.980 --> 00:37:09.960 He's got, you know, only so much time. So, you know, 762 00:37:10.219 --> 00:37:13.260 kudos for that. But what you mentioned, yeah, I get it. 763 00:37:15.380 --> 00:37:19.059 Just a reminder, you can reach us at WadeKellerPostShow at gmail.com 764 00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.119 if you're interested in contributing to the flagship or WadeKellerPostShow 765 00:37:22.179 --> 00:37:25.340 at gmail.com if you're interested in submitting a question or 766 00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:27.320 a topic or even a rant on the Wade Keller 767 00:37:27.500 --> 00:37:33.019 Pro Wrestling Post Shows. So my problem is It goes 768 00:37:33.059 --> 00:37:37.730 back to the screwdriver. Copeland is saying I had to 769 00:37:37.949 --> 00:37:40.610 quit because I didn't want to see you need triple 770 00:37:41.449 --> 00:37:45.789 fusion surgery. But if you get stabbed with a screwdriver, 771 00:37:47.010 --> 00:37:51.510 that's not an extra fusion of a vertebrae. That's a 772 00:37:51.550 --> 00:37:54.940 carotid artery spraying blood till you die. Or it's your 773 00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:57.159 eyeball getting stabbed and you don't see again. You don't 774 00:37:57.179 --> 00:37:59.920 need neck surgery to get stabbed in the eye with 775 00:37:59.980 --> 00:38:06.510 a screwdriver. So if this is the story, then the 776 00:38:06.630 --> 00:38:11.769 finish should have been a threat to Osprey's neck. And 777 00:38:11.789 --> 00:38:15.130 I do not feel like this is a controversial, profound 778 00:38:15.230 --> 00:38:18.050 observation on my part. If you're laying out the booking 779 00:38:18.090 --> 00:38:20.929 for this, if you're Copeland and Osprey and Tony Khan 780 00:38:20.969 --> 00:38:23.469 and everybody else involved, oh yeah, Dynamite, we're going to 781 00:38:23.510 --> 00:38:25.840 say Copeland quit because he wants to protect Osprey because 782 00:38:25.860 --> 00:38:29.219 he's been through it. He's saving his life. There is 783 00:38:29.750 --> 00:38:33.630 Zero sympathy for Will Ospreay here going, how could you quit? 784 00:38:33.670 --> 00:38:36.139 There's kids in Young Bucks t-shirts. Those kids will get 785 00:38:36.219 --> 00:38:39.059 over it. What you won't get over is getting stabbed 786 00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:41.820 in the freaking neck with a screwdriver. So shut up 787 00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:45.139 about those kids. It's a toughen up. Sometimes you're going 788 00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:46.820 to win. Sometimes you're going to lose. Sometimes your favorite 789 00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:49.280 team arrest is going to win or lose. They'll survive 790 00:38:49.300 --> 00:38:51.940 the next day. Copeland's point is you would not have 791 00:38:52.139 --> 00:38:54.980 if you believe Fletcher was serious. And if your counter 792 00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:57.159 to that is, well, Wade, nobody thought Fletcher was really 793 00:38:57.199 --> 00:38:59.230 going to do it. Then Copeland should have known that. 794 00:39:00.860 --> 00:39:03.760 The only reason Copeland should end that match by quitting 795 00:39:03.780 --> 00:39:05.579 on behalf of his team is if he believes Fletcher 796 00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:07.800 would do that. And nobody believes Fletcher was going to 797 00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:09.840 do it. So it's a bad finish. You took it 798 00:39:09.909 --> 00:39:12.849 too far. So all they had to do is put 799 00:39:13.010 --> 00:39:17.769 Ospreay's head inside a chair and have Fletcher or one 800 00:39:17.789 --> 00:39:20.670 of his teammates, Fletcher's holding it in place, sinister look, 801 00:39:21.030 --> 00:39:22.789 and one of Fletcher's teammates is standing there ready to 802 00:39:22.929 --> 00:39:24.949 stomp on that chair. And you can just see if 803 00:39:24.969 --> 00:39:26.730 he stomps on it, it's going to hit the back 804 00:39:26.769 --> 00:39:29.409 of the vertebrae. It's going to snap Ospreay's neck. Or 805 00:39:29.690 --> 00:39:32.039 you could have look like I'm going to snap his 806 00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:35.380 neck off.

Ospreay's dead weight. And Fletcher's like, I'm just 807 00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:37.760 going to twist. I'm going to twist and snap his neck, Copeland. 808 00:39:38.099 --> 00:39:40.969 You would believe he'd do that. We've seen the chair spot. 809 00:39:41.010 --> 00:39:43.750 We've seen head snaps. You would believe it's something. And 810 00:39:43.809 --> 00:39:47.610 then it would make more sense for Ospreay to be like, 811 00:39:48.530 --> 00:39:52.110 What did you do afterwards? That was just a wrestling move. 812 00:39:52.710 --> 00:39:55.219 It's a brutal match. Why would you choose that moment? 813 00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:57.619 We knew it would be tough. I've been hit with chairs. 814 00:39:57.659 --> 00:39:59.659 I've had my head smashed in the middle of chairs. 815 00:40:00.099 --> 00:40:03.590 I've had my neck snapped before. I've had... tiger drivers 816 00:40:03.699 --> 00:40:06.619 and stuff, pile drivers. Why did you give up on me? 817 00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:08.880 I wasn't giving up for a reason. And then Copeland 818 00:40:08.900 --> 00:40:11.539 speech would make sense. And Osprey being upset with him 819 00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:14.239 would make sense. But instead they took out the effing 820 00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:18.059 stupid ass screwdriver, which doesn't belong in pro wrestling. Cause 821 00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:19.929 nobody believes you're really going to use it. And when 822 00:40:19.949 --> 00:40:21.610 you do use it, it's fake. Cause you're like, well, 823 00:40:21.630 --> 00:40:23.449 then his skin would be all torn up and it's 824 00:40:23.489 --> 00:40:25.889 not until he does cuts himself. You know, I'm just, 825 00:40:26.250 --> 00:40:29.769 I was so disappointed that they went there, show some 826 00:40:29.809 --> 00:40:31.929 discipline and Be a fifth grader, not a fourth grader. 827 00:40:31.969 --> 00:40:34.030 Fifth graders know not to do that. This is all, 828 00:40:34.170 --> 00:40:36.309 wouldn't it be, it's what fourth, what's what I said 829 00:40:36.329 --> 00:40:37.449 in fourth grade with my friends when I was a 830 00:40:37.449 --> 00:40:39.190 wrestling pet. Wouldn't it be cool if Mad Dog Vachon 831 00:40:39.210 --> 00:40:41.590 did this? Yes, but we have adults in the room 832 00:40:41.849 --> 00:40:43.909 deciding what makes sense within the realm of the wrestling 833 00:40:43.949 --> 00:40:46.289 narrative and a screwdriver doesn't, so stop it. 834 00:40:47.030 --> 00:40:49.429 Yeah. If you're going to use tools of any kind, 835 00:40:49.789 --> 00:40:51.630 if we learned anything this year, Wade, it has to 836 00:40:51.670 --> 00:40:52.190 be a drill. 837 00:40:52.929 --> 00:40:53.469 Oh God. 838 00:40:55.730 --> 00:40:58.530 Because the drill would actually be used in a match. 839 00:40:58.590 --> 00:40:58.880 Yeah. 840 00:41:00.219 --> 00:41:03.300 But the pliers on the teeth, I don't buy that either. 841 00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:05.000 You know, you know, she's not going to really yank 842 00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:09.809 a tooth out. No, honestly, just there. I don't know. 843 00:41:10.110 --> 00:41:11.710 Here's the thing. I don't want to have a list 844 00:41:11.750 --> 00:41:14.610 of tools to use and tools you don't. It should 845 00:41:14.630 --> 00:41:17.050 just be obvious what you don't want fans to do 846 00:41:17.070 --> 00:41:20.889 when they're watching apparatus be used as weapons in a match. 847 00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:25.079 You don't want fans thinking that I now I'm reminded 848 00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:27.190 wrestling is fake and they're not going to really use this. 849 00:41:27.530 --> 00:41:29.340 So they're going to block it, they're going to stop it, 850 00:41:29.340 --> 00:41:30.519 or they're going to pretend to use it in a 851 00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:32.860 stupid way that if you're really trying to defend your life, 852 00:41:32.900 --> 00:41:34.619 you would use it in a different way. If you're 853 00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:36.179 really trying to beat somebody up who you don't care 854 00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:38.150 for their welfare, you'd use it in a different way. 855 00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:40.079 It's the old sledgehammer of Triple H. He's never going 856 00:41:40.099 --> 00:41:42.300 to swing the hammer at someone's head because their head 857 00:41:42.340 --> 00:41:44.440 would explode like a watermelon. There's no way you can 858 00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:47.199 fake that. There's no way. This isn't a Friday the 859 00:41:47.219 --> 00:41:49.360 13th movie of special effects. It's live in front of us. 860 00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:51.469 So it's always put your hand over it and jab 861 00:41:51.510 --> 00:41:53.710 somebody with it. But whenever you wind up to swing 862 00:41:53.730 --> 00:41:55.429 it like a baseball bat, you know it won't be used. 863 00:41:55.730 --> 00:41:58.250 Don't do stuff where fans watch and you take them 864 00:41:58.289 --> 00:42:02.050 out of the moment. That's the easy test. So just stop. 865 00:42:02.090 --> 00:42:03.909 There's so many things you can do. And there's so 866 00:42:03.929 --> 00:42:06.280 many things they do do. Trash cans, trash can lids, 867 00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:09.760 candle sticks, leaf blowers. Well, don't do that either. Unless 868 00:42:09.780 --> 00:42:13.190 you're a cottage or a comedy spot. So anyway, brass knuckles, 869 00:42:13.550 --> 00:42:14.639 you know, I mean, you could say, well, wait, what 870 00:42:14.659 --> 00:42:16.780 about brass knuckles? You really got hit with them. You know, 871 00:42:16.940 --> 00:42:18.860 that would be more serious. Well, I still buy that. 872 00:42:18.900 --> 00:42:20.480 It's a punch to the head. It doesn't have to 873 00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:24.019 land perfectly, whatever. Screwed up or stupid. Yeah. 874 00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:26.079 Well, and then you go back to the blood and 875 00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:29.489 guts because I think Fletcher kind of just let Osprey 876 00:42:29.530 --> 00:42:31.250 go and then

they just let Darby die. 877 00:42:31.269 --> 00:42:31.340 Yep. 878 00:42:32.489 --> 00:42:35.239 You know, because everybody else was just, you know, and 879 00:42:35.380 --> 00:42:38.010 cause Fletcher said, we're, we're low do it. And then 880 00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:39.090 Darby died, of course. 881 00:42:40.170 --> 00:42:42.429 And then everybody else was fine. And then, you know, well, 882 00:42:42.489 --> 00:42:45.070 and I mean, not to go off on blood and 883 00:42:45.090 --> 00:42:47.630 guts last week, but you know, afterwards do, you know, 884 00:42:47.650 --> 00:42:50.090 throw Darby off, off the top of the cage. Again, 885 00:42:50.130 --> 00:42:53.639 it's the obligatory Darby's bump, but like, if you really think, 886 00:42:55.179 --> 00:42:58.360 I don't know. I mean, we know Darby can handle 887 00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:00.159 falls and big stunt bumps are part of it. And 888 00:43:00.179 --> 00:43:04.349 it was just sort of an extra thing at the end. Um, Yeah, 889 00:43:04.389 --> 00:43:06.469 I don't know. I want to stay focused. 890 00:43:06.269 --> 00:43:12.739 On the finish. But if you make the finish from 891 00:43:12.780 --> 00:43:15.820 last week make more sense, then that would have not 892 00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:18.260 had all the plot holes. We're just pointing out what 893 00:43:20.059 --> 00:43:20.500 makes sense. 894 00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:26.670 You would lose nothing. Nothing by doing what I just said. 895 00:43:26.989 --> 00:43:33.550 I would argue. I would contend. You would lose nothing. So, yeah. 896 00:43:35.409 --> 00:43:36.829 it just would be believable. Everyone would be in the 897 00:43:36.849 --> 00:43:39.210 moment and you can still tell your story. And I 898 00:43:39.269 --> 00:43:40.809 love the story of Copeland going, I don't want you 899 00:43:40.829 --> 00:43:42.630 to go through. I mean, only Anderson, Warren, Mick Foley. 900 00:43:44.070 --> 00:43:45.429 In the Jim Hurd days. I'll be talking about Jim 901 00:43:45.449 --> 00:43:48.230 Hurd this week too. I interviewed Jim Hurd back in 902 00:43:48.230 --> 00:43:50.690 1990 after he was in charge of WCW for a year. 903 00:43:50.710 --> 00:43:52.309 And I just read over my torch talk with him 904 00:43:52.469 --> 00:43:54.030 in the back issue. Another reason to go VIP. You 905 00:43:54.289 --> 00:43:56.179 can read stuff from the late 80s and in the 906 00:43:56.389 --> 00:43:57.889 90s that I was writing and others were writing and 907 00:43:58.139 --> 00:44:00.300 my big name interviews, long form interviews with people in 908 00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:04.019 wrestling back then. Uh, but only, only Anderson in that 909 00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:05.300 era told Mick Foley, you're going to be in a 910 00:44:05.300 --> 00:44:07.320 wheelchair by the time you're, you know, 50 or 60 911 00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:10.460 or whatever. And, um, you know, Copeland's kind of in 912 00:44:10.500 --> 00:44:13.210 the role of the grizzled only Anderson telling, telling

Will 913 00:44:13.289 --> 00:44:15.929 Ospreay and, you know, or Darby Allen or whatever, stop 914 00:44:15.949 --> 00:44:19.550 doing this. You're going to end up hurt. So, all right. Um, 915 00:44:19.769 --> 00:44:22.969 it's a great story. I wish they had sixth grade 916 00:44:22.989 --> 00:44:24.849 discipline instead of fourth grade discipline to just dial it 917 00:44:24.869 --> 00:44:25.690 back just a little bit. 918 00:44:26.139 --> 00:44:26.260 Yep. 919 00:44:27.010 --> 00:44:33.440 Um, grand finale says totally agree with Wade. Um, Uh, Oh, 920 00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:37.989 let's see. Chris Lansdell has pointed something out here. I 921 00:44:38.010 --> 00:44:39.590 think I'm on a slight delay. Oh no. 922 00:44:40.469 --> 00:44:40.610 Right. 923 00:44:40.650 --> 00:44:44.710 It's okay. So Chris Lansdell, uh, says Jesus Warlow almost 924 00:44:44.769 --> 00:44:47.670 just killed Nick Camerato. So I look at my TV screen. 925 00:44:47.710 --> 00:44:50.650 I'm a couple seconds behind him. And the, the damn 926 00:44:50.869 --> 00:44:52.670 hour of collision just ended. I was playing it on 927 00:44:52.690 --> 00:44:54.610 the DVR and it just ended. So now I have 928 00:44:54.639 --> 00:44:56.980 to switch to a HBO max. I want, by the way, 929 00:44:57.039 --> 00:44:59.099 Tony Khan, whoever in AW is listening. Can you talk 930 00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:02.219 to direct TV and tell them to get their, shit 931 00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:04.400 together when it comes to overruns so that I don't 932 00:45:04.420 --> 00:45:06.889 have to keep like missing the end of collision or 933 00:45:07.139 --> 00:45:10.130 dynamite because of overruns. They, you know, just add a 934 00:45:10.150 --> 00:45:12.869 half hour onto the DVR feed or stop doing overruns. 935 00:45:13.710 --> 00:45:14.230 One or the other. 936 00:45:15.010 --> 00:45:18.150 And it's crazy because wouldn't it help if you just 937 00:45:18.690 --> 00:45:21.409 smosh like a, just said this was a three hour 938 00:45:21.449 --> 00:45:24.469 dynamite and then you get better ratings supposed to not 939 00:45:24.610 --> 00:45:27.340 the drop off because the, the, the, the bid is, or, 940 00:45:27.369 --> 00:45:29.510 you know, I guess the, you know, the, the, what 941 00:45:29.530 --> 00:45:33.250 they do is, they'll end the dynamite stream. And then 942 00:45:33.269 --> 00:45:36.110 you have to go over and click on collision, which 943 00:45:36.170 --> 00:45:38.070 is just like, just have it go through the entire 944 00:45:38.110 --> 00:45:39.750 thing and have it be three hours. 945 00:45:39.809 --> 00:45:40.269 It's fine. 946 00:45:40.289 --> 00:45:44.590 I think there's like a contractual thing about how many 947 00:45:44.630 --> 00:45:47.070 collisions you have to do per year. Yeah. And so 948 00:45:47.170 --> 00:45:51.269 I think, yeah, no, I agree. I mean, I do care. Well, 949 00:45:51.309 --> 00:45:53.829 now that HBO is going to be merged into Skydance, 950 00:45:53.869 --> 00:45:57.429

Paramount or Columbia, who knows what's going to end up, um, 951 00:45:57.989 --> 00:46:00.090 happening to all this in terms of the format and 952 00:46:00.110 --> 00:46:02.309 the people in charge. But, um, yeah, so now here 953 00:46:02.329 --> 00:46:03.570 I'm doing a live post. I'm trying to figure out 954 00:46:03.590 --> 00:46:06.409 how to find, uh, AW collision on HBO max. So 955 00:46:06.449 --> 00:46:08.969 I can see where the almost kill, uh, camaraderie, but Chris, 956 00:46:09.010 --> 00:46:10.239 let me know what, let me know what happened or 957 00:46:10.260 --> 00:46:12.000 someone else who's, who was watching and didn't have their 958 00:46:12.019 --> 00:46:13.840 DVR run out right as where those about to power 959 00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:18.119 bomb them. Uh, what is going on? Uh, let's see here. 960 00:46:18.139 --> 00:46:20.039 I'm going to take a second. 961 00:46:20.460 --> 00:46:20.679 Okay. 962 00:46:20.860 --> 00:46:21.679 AW archives. 963 00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:21.940 No. 964 00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:25.090 AW wrestling. No. All out. No redemption. No. 965 00:46:25.269 --> 00:46:25.429 Okay. 966 00:46:25.449 --> 00:46:26.570 They don't even make this easy. Oh, there we are. 967 00:46:26.610 --> 00:46:27.550 Collisions live. All right. 968 00:46:27.610 --> 00:46:27.690 Yep. 969 00:46:29.150 --> 00:46:30.469 Um, all right. 970 00:46:30.789 --> 00:46:32.150 Push play. Now I'll have it on the background while 971 00:46:32.170 --> 00:46:33.050 we continue to the show here. 972 00:46:33.489 --> 00:46:33.989 Excellent. 973 00:46:34.010 --> 00:46:38.360 Uh, okay. Um, going kind of back to the, uh, 974 00:46:38.429 --> 00:46:41.239 previous topic, Derek Mitchell says, I hate using the screwdriver 975 00:46:41.260 --> 00:46:44.519 as much as I hated Terry Funk as chainsaw, Charlie 976 00:46:44.579 --> 00:46:48.960 using a chainsaw, like he's leather face from Texas chainsaw massacre. 977 00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:50.280 Exactly. 978 00:46:50.460 --> 00:46:53.760 This is not, this is not wrestling has done stupid 979 00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:56.860 stuff forever and we're still here and they're still selling tickets. Um, 980 00:46:57.260 --> 00:47:01.000 So stop complaining, Wade. We're going to not stop complaining 981 00:47:01.019 --> 00:47:03.380 about stupid stuff. There's been a bunch of stupid stuff. 982 00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:06.780 And I think the more that we call them out 983 00:47:06.900 --> 00:47:11.309 for it, you know, hopefully, eventually, you hear about it. Like, 984 00:47:11.570 --> 00:47:13.050 security guys aren't getting beat up as much. I thought 985 00:47:13.070 --> 00:47:15.210 they were kind of creative with security guys today. 986 00:47:15.250 --> 00:47:17.869 Well, also, Wade, I don't know if you've seen this 987 00:47:18.130 --> 00:47:22.010 or heard about this. I think there's something going on 988 00:47:22.050 --> 00:47:25.389 with Will Ospreay and Callum Nguyen with swords. Have you 989 00:47:25.409 --> 00:47:33.260 seen this? No. I just somebody there's something regarding a 990 00:47:33.320 --> 00:47:35.500 sword I'm not really sure what the plot point is 991 00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:38.219 but I just saw somebody swinging around a sword one 992 00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:45.320 time and just chat feel free to let me know 993 00:47:45.610 --> 00:47:47.550 like what the plot like I've just seen it on 994 00:47:47.590 --> 00:47:50.050 socials I haven't seen like the like the reason behind 995 00:47:50.070 --> 00:47:53.409 okay well yeah even in the chat was like don't 996 00:47:53.429 --> 00:47:55.369 mention the sword so there is a sword okay. 997 00:47:55.130 --> 00:48:00.190 So So Chris, yeah, Chris Lansdell says, and I have 998 00:48:00.230 --> 00:48:02.309 it on now, Warlow tried to power bomb and could 999 00:48:02.349 --> 00:48:04.429 not lift him all the way. Camarado had to do 1000 00:48:04.469 --> 00:48:08.010 a hanging sit-up to avoid paralysis. And then they did this, 1001 00:48:08.210 --> 00:48:10.409 but he almost pulled his trunks off, by the way. 1002 00:48:11.550 --> 00:48:13.929 During the, trying to re-lift him up, he almost pulled 1003 00:48:13.949 --> 00:48:16.159 his shorts off by pulling them up while he was 1004 00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:19.300 upside down. So he almost had nudity. And now Chris 1005 00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:22.579 says they did it again. So we are about to, 1006 00:48:23.420 --> 00:48:26.480 he's smiling. Now I know everything's okay. So I feel 1007 00:48:26.500 --> 00:48:28.639 like I can Watch this. So we're setting up the 1008 00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:32.920 second spot. Um, so the others get power, power bombed 1009 00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:37.409 and award low this time. Camarado's got a, yeah. Okay. 1010 00:48:37.429 --> 00:48:38.230 That's how it's supposed to look. 1011 00:48:38.610 --> 00:48:38.750 Yeah. 1012 00:48:39.130 --> 00:48:40.050 All right. Second one was fine. 1013 00:48:40.329 --> 00:48:40.489 Yeah. 1014 00:48:40.510 --> 00:48:41.929 But they did the spot again. You know what? If 1015 00:48:41.989 --> 00:48:42.630 at first you fail. 1016 00:48:43.230 --> 00:48:43.429 Yeah. 1017 00:48:43.690 --> 00:48:46.750 If you don't succeed. Positive. First, you don't succeed. Try, 1018 00:48:46.809 --> 00:48:52.139 try again. Um, Chris Lansdale says, don't mention the sword. Um, 1019 00:48:52.429 --> 00:48:53.300 he's going to call in too. 1020 00:48:53.340 --> 00:48:53.489 Good. 1021 00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:53.800 Yeah. 1022 00:48:53.820 --> 00:48:58.809 Give us a call. Uh, Chris, um, All right. Uh, 1023 00:48:58.829 --> 00:49:03.159 what was I going to say? Oh, Chris also said better, 1024 00:49:03.300 --> 00:49:08.780 better suggestion. Stop doing 45 minute overruns. Yes, indeed. Um, Oh, 1025 00:49:08.860 --> 00:49:10.969 and Chris also said for a future worse or better 1026 00:49:11.010 --> 00:49:13.190 episode of the PW torch daily cast with Josh white, 1027 00:49:13.789 --> 00:49:16.030 they can do a theme

use of weapons and matches. 1028 00:49:16.130 --> 00:49:19.780 Is it worse or better now than in the past? Um, 1029 00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:21.880 that would be a good theme for their weekly show 1030 00:49:21.900 --> 00:49:24.039 check that out by the way really fun show uh 1031 00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:26.500 josh white hosts uh different co-hosts chris lansdale more often 1032 00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:30.699 than not um and uh yeah they take something that's 1033 00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:32.900 going on in wrestling today and then compare it's kind 1034 00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:35.199 of a history lesson combined with have we gotten better 1035 00:49:35.820 --> 00:49:38.489 or worse or better over time uh so there we 1036 00:49:38.550 --> 00:49:42.460 are um Anything else? By the way, I know we're 1037 00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:44.159 kind of all over the place here because we're kind 1038 00:49:44.179 --> 00:49:47.619 of half-watching Collision, and Chad is distracting us or steering 1039 00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:49.820 us towards other things going on. Anything you want to 1040 00:49:49.860 --> 00:49:53.710 say to close out the Copeland-Osprey discussion, other than universal 1041 00:49:53.730 --> 00:49:56.250 agreement that there was a way to do this that 1042 00:49:56.289 --> 00:49:58.349 would have made more sense with the story and just 1043 00:49:58.590 --> 00:50:00.280 made more sense, period? Yeah, no. 1044 00:50:01.780 --> 00:50:02.639 I think we covered everything. 1045 00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:03.500 Yep. 1046 00:50:04.190 --> 00:50:06.889 All right, cool. So elsewhere on the show, new level 1047 00:50:06.909 --> 00:50:10.190 against Brodito ended in a double count out. AW doesn't 1048 00:50:10.210 --> 00:50:13.070 do it much. It's right before pay-per-view. It's two out 1049 00:50:13.090 --> 00:50:16.760 of the three on each team. I was okay with it. 1050 00:50:17.250 --> 00:50:19.809 I mentioned this was a better use of security getting 1051 00:50:19.849 --> 00:50:21.730 involved in a ruckus. And I do want to give 1052 00:50:21.750 --> 00:50:25.309 credit when it seems like instead of wrestlers indiscriminately beating 1053 00:50:25.329 --> 00:50:27.489 up security guys who are just doing their jobs. And 1054 00:50:27.530 --> 00:50:29.369 then the promoter and the promotion who hired them to 1055 00:50:29.409 --> 00:50:31.550 do their jobs as hourly workers earning their 20 bucks 1056 00:50:31.590 --> 00:50:33.409 an hour or 50 bucks an hour, whatever it is 1057 00:50:33.429 --> 00:50:37.239 security guys get, hopefully it's more than 50. Especially with 1058 00:50:37.619 --> 00:50:40.619 the hazard pay that should be involved. No one cares 1059 00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:43.239 that they just get assaulted for just doing exactly what 1060 00:50:43.260 --> 00:50:44.619 they're supposed to do the way that they're supposed to 1061 00:50:44.659 --> 00:50:46.889 do it. Then get stupid. A lot of people don't care. 1062 00:50:46.949 --> 00:50:48.809 They

think, who cares? It's just wrestling. It shouldn't be 1063 00:50:49.010 --> 00:50:52.429 just wrestling. You should feel like a real world where 1064 00:50:52.449 --> 00:50:55.789 the things that happen could happen in the world that 1065 00:50:55.809 --> 00:50:58.869 wrestling creates. and not just, it's kind of a fun trope. 1066 00:50:58.889 --> 00:51:01.210 So we're going to overdo it. Security guys were back. 1067 00:51:01.250 --> 00:51:03.940 I'm like, Oh, security ran out, but four of them 1068 00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:07.000 jumped on Brody, Brody King on the floor near the stage. 1069 00:51:07.260 --> 00:51:09.480 And he just flung his arms backwards to break free. 1070 00:51:09.599 --> 00:51:12.320 He just is breaking free and they all bump. I'm 1071 00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:12.780 okay with that. 1072 00:51:13.340 --> 00:51:13.559 Yes. 1073 00:51:13.940 --> 00:51:14.480 They're on his back. 1074 00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:16.570 I'd get off my back. He flings, but he didn't 1075 00:51:16.869 --> 00:51:21.050 as a baby face, punch them, power bomb them, throw 1076 00:51:21.070 --> 00:51:25.030 them over the rope, you know, whatever it, that was fine. Um, 1077 00:51:25.650 --> 00:51:28.730 bondito pressing one security guy over his head and then 1078 00:51:28.909 --> 00:51:34.170 throwing him at austin and then austin shoving two security 1079 00:51:34.210 --> 00:51:37.900 guys in their path so they landed on them going 1080 00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:41.260 a little further um i would say it crosses my 1081 00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:44.239 line but it's not as to to pick some up 1082 00:51:44.300 --> 00:51:46.440 and throw them at someone isn't the same as just 1083 00:51:46.539 --> 00:51:49.130 a like Don't, by the way, don't use this against 1084 00:51:49.150 --> 00:51:50.789 me if you find me on the street. Oh, wait, 1085 00:51:50.809 --> 00:51:51.789 I get to pick you up and throw you into 1086 00:51:51.809 --> 00:51:54.670 a tree or off a cliff. But, I mean, throwing 1087 00:51:54.710 --> 00:51:56.590 someone into somebody else doesn't feel the same thing as 1088 00:51:56.610 --> 00:51:58.949 just pummeling them with punches. I still wouldn't do that, 1089 00:51:59.030 --> 00:52:01.489 but I have a little bit of latitude there. I 1090 00:52:01.510 --> 00:52:03.960 thought that this was a more mature version of security 1091 00:52:04.860 --> 00:52:08.360 guys getting involved in a ruckus, but not just getting 1092 00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:11.619 assaulted for doing their jobs. Again, I think they crossed 1093 00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:14.079 the line. I don't want with Bondito pressing them and 1094 00:52:14.099 --> 00:52:16.000 throwing them, but it wasn't as egregious as usual. 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Once again, that's PWBoom.com. 1104 00:52:52.489 --> 00:52:52.690 Brian? 1105 00:52:53.849 --> 00:52:58.949 I was honestly impressed on how physical Kofi and Austin got. 1106 00:52:59.110 --> 00:53:02.550 I just, you know, we haven't seen these guys in 1107 00:53:02.570 --> 00:53:05.170 this type of atmosphere. I mean, God, it's been, what, 1108 00:53:05.269 --> 00:53:07.840 a decade since they've been in Hell in a Cell? Yep. 1109 00:53:08.699 --> 00:53:11.260 Give or take. And, you know, you even have to 1110 00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:11.579 kind of. 1111 00:53:13.179 --> 00:53:17.139 Compared to what AEW does, that's a completely different animal. 1112 00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:19.760 That's like apples and apricots. 1113 00:53:19.380 --> 00:53:21.639 Or, you know, whatever random other. 1114 00:53:22.389 --> 00:53:25.250 Like, you can compare it to. I was really... And 1115 00:53:25.349 --> 00:53:29.219 I also really impressed Wade. Something in wrestling, for me, intent. 1116 00:53:29.940 --> 00:53:33.980 Kofi tried to take Bandido's head off. It wasn't fake. 1117 00:53:34.019 --> 00:53:36.980 It wasn't phony. And I was just... Okay. 1118 00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:37.719 I could. 1119 00:53:37.940 --> 00:53:39.079 It was believable. 1120 00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:41.159 What spot? Describe the spot. 1121 00:53:41.340 --> 00:53:43.369 So, when they were fighting on the rep, Kofi tried to, like, 1122 00:53:43.650 --> 00:53:45.869 take his head off with a chair. Like, he just, like, 1123 00:53:45.989 --> 00:53:49.269 went for it. And I was like, whoa. And, you know, 1124 00:53:49.349 --> 00:53:54.010 the physicality was great. Obviously, they... Kofi and Austin jumped 1125 00:53:54.050 --> 00:53:56.489 him before the bell and it kind of had that vibe. 1126 00:53:56.530 --> 00:53:58.510 I was like, okay, I don't think we're getting a 1127 00:53:58.530 --> 00:54:01.099 finish here. And I didn't mind it because again, we're, 1128 00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:04.059 we pointed this out earlier. If you're going to sell 1129 00:54:04.099 --> 00:54:08.500 these long, pretty, always very, very good to great AEW pay-per-views. 1130 00:54:08.920 --> 00:54:10.989 It's okay to go a little bit. You don't have 1131 00:54:11.010 --> 00:54:13.969 to go two hours over three hours of straight wrestling. 1132 00:54:14.010 --> 00:54:17.989 That's completely okay. Tell the story of this finale that you're, 1133

00:54:18.510 --> 00:54:22.309 you're leading to. Now I will say, we still haven't 1134 00:54:22.349 --> 00:54:25.969 gotten any directions on how this, the roles of the, uh, trios, 1135 00:54:26.289 --> 00:54:28.809 Texas death match is supposed to go. Is it one person, 1136 00:54:28.829 --> 00:54:31.849 three person? Like, how's it go? Like, I hope that's explained. 1137 00:54:31.929 --> 00:54:33.900 I might even ask Tony Khan that tomorrow. Like Tony, 1138 00:54:34.139 --> 00:54:38.340 tell us, like explain it, please. Like, let us know. Um, 1139 00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:41.519 but yeah, physical chemistry is great. Like you said, Brody, 1140 00:54:42.340 --> 00:54:46.840 just brushing up for guys and not just like, uh, 1141 00:54:47.059 --> 00:54:49.179 taking five minutes to power bomb somebody and then trying 1142 00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:51.260 to beat up the person he's trying to kill. It's like, 1143 00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:53.519 All good stuff. I really enjoyed it. 1144 00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:57.380 So Tony Schiavone said after the double countout, the ref 1145 00:54:57.420 --> 00:54:59.159 had to do that because the match was out of control. 1146 00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:01.860 Is this a new rule in AEW or is this 1147 00:55:01.900 --> 00:55:04.519 a rule, Brian, that's been consistently applied? When a match 1148 00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:06.920 is out of control, we do a double countout because 1149 00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:10.239 I mean, it's a bit of a blur, but I 1150 00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:13.409 have a feeling there have been matches before where it 1151 00:55:13.449 --> 00:55:15.849 was out of control for a minute or two and 1152 00:55:15.869 --> 00:55:17.329 the wrestlers fought their way back to the ring and 1153 00:55:17.349 --> 00:55:19.840 the ref did not call for a double countout. Is 1154 00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:22.250 Shivani correct that the ref had to do that? And 1155 00:55:22.309 --> 00:55:25.309 has there been an edict and a change in rules 1156 00:55:25.710 --> 00:55:27.590 that you have to do a double count out if 1157 00:55:27.630 --> 00:55:29.949 wrestlers are outside of the ring for, and it seems 1158 00:55:29.989 --> 00:55:33.409 out of control? Because I guess we could start a clock, 1159 00:55:33.590 --> 00:55:36.059 a counter, see how many days go by or weeks 1160 00:55:36.099 --> 00:55:38.460 go by before there's a match that clearly surpassed this 1161 00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:39.780 chaos and was allowed to continue. 1162 00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:45.539 Yeah, because is this official, like a referee discretion kind 1163 00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:46.980 of like in a game if there's like a really, 1164 00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:49.949 really bad call that the fans may not like? Cause 1165 00:55:49.989 --> 00:55:52.349 I'm trying to think now I don't really think that's true. 1166 00:55:52.389 --> 00:55:55.530 Cause I, you know, uh, I know it's different set 1167 00:55:55.550 --> 00:55:58.909 of circumstances. Davis and Doral absolutely killed the bucks before 1168 00:55:58.929 --> 00:56:01.230 the match even started. And you could say like, Hey, 1169 00:56:01.269 --> 00:56:03.989 we can't start this match, but they, the officials let 1170 00:56:04.050 --> 00:56:04.730 them start the match. 1171 00:56:04.750 --> 00:56:08.409 So it's just like, I don't need to be in 1172 00:56:08.769 --> 00:56:13.190 us like a stickler. Unreasonably. So I, what I want is, 1173 00:56:13.260 --> 00:56:15.659 is there a reasonable way to frame something or do 1174 00:56:15.699 --> 00:56:18.019 something where you get the same effect minus the the 1175 00:56:18.059 --> 00:56:21.579 part that's sort of inconsistent or unbelievable. So in this case, 1176 00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:24.800 my suggestion after the fact for Shivani would be. 1177 00:56:25.219 --> 00:56:25.730 Don't say it. 1178 00:56:26.510 --> 00:56:28.289 Well, no, I'm okay with him going. 1179 00:56:30.329 --> 00:56:33.929 To me, this is what's faithful to the AEW culture, 1180 00:56:34.750 --> 00:56:36.869 the culture of the presentations, phrase I often use, the 1181 00:56:36.909 --> 00:56:40.030 culture of presentation. What Shivani could have said true to 1182 00:56:40.050 --> 00:56:42.170 the culture of AEW and its history and its lore is, 1183 00:56:43.369 --> 00:56:46.530 you know what, Excalibur? We often see referees let a 1184 00:56:46.550 --> 00:56:48.659 lot more go on than this. But I don't blame 1185 00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:50.860 him because there is a Texas death match coming up 1186 00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:52.719 in just a few days. These guys can have it 1187 00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:55.510 out with them then. Let's save it for then because 1188 00:56:55.570 --> 00:56:57.429 that's when the titles are on the line and that's 1189 00:56:57.449 --> 00:56:59.510 when Hangman and Swerve will be involved. Like something along 1190 00:56:59.550 --> 00:57:01.309 the lines of, yeah, it's a little surprising to see 1191 00:57:01.349 --> 00:57:04.070 a referee call this off, but this is the warm-up 1192 00:57:04.210 --> 00:57:05.969 for Saturday and we don't want them to get injured 1193 00:57:05.989 --> 00:57:08.320 before that. You could say something along those lines if 1194 00:57:08.340 --> 00:57:10.480 you plan it out ahead of time. And then you're like, oh, okay, 1195 00:57:10.739 --> 00:57:13.059 I get it. The ref has discretion. If this was 1196 00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:16.030 at the pay-per-view– in a regular Trails match, he probably 1197 00:57:16.050 --> 00:57:17.610 wouldn't stop the match because titles are on the line 1198 00:57:17.650 --> 00:57:20.920 and it's on pay-per-view. But sort of a warm-up match, 1199 00:57:21.739 --> 00:57:24.900 you know, just three, four days before it? Yeah, okay, 1200 00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:27.500 I get it. The ref says, live to fight another day. 1201 00:57:27.780 --> 00:57:29.159 He could have said that, right? 1202 00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:30.840 Yeah, protect the pay-per-view.

1203 00:57:31.860 --> 00:57:36.170 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so, but you could also just not 1204 00:57:36.210 --> 00:57:37.610 draw attention to it if you're going to do that 1205 00:57:37.670 --> 00:57:40.210 finish also and just be like, but whatever. I mean, 1206 00:57:40.809 --> 00:57:43.059 not this like, you know, 1.5 out of 10 in 1207 00:57:43.099 --> 00:57:45.599 terms of Shivani's comment. It's not a big deal, but like, 1208 00:57:45.619 --> 00:57:48.679 would I tweak that just because it comes across like Tony, 1209 00:57:48.699 --> 00:57:51.150 have you watched AW before? You know, like it does 1210 00:57:51.230 --> 00:57:53.769 feel as if referees let things get out of control 1211 00:57:53.849 --> 00:57:55.510 and then they still end up back in the ring. 1212 00:57:56.469 --> 00:57:57.690 But I get the spirit of what he was trying 1213 00:57:57.730 --> 00:57:58.050 to say. 1214 00:58:01.289 --> 00:58:01.550 Yes. 1215 00:58:01.909 --> 00:58:03.710 Brody threw those security guards off. Like they were ice, 1216 00:58:04.030 --> 00:58:07.829 ice thugs leaping onto his back. I think he said 1217 00:58:07.869 --> 00:58:13.570 dreams doing that. So, all right. I'm trying to think 1218 00:58:13.590 --> 00:58:16.809 of any other top, top stuff on the Dynamite proper 1219 00:58:16.849 --> 00:58:18.719 part of the show that we watched before we bring 1220 00:58:18.880 --> 00:58:21.980 Chris Lansdell onto the show. I'll get your thoughts on 1221 00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:23.860 FTR and Motor City Machine Guns, because that was the 1222 00:58:25.699 --> 00:58:30.570 match that closed out the first two hours of the evening. Brian, 1223 00:58:30.590 --> 00:58:30.909 what'd you think? 1224 00:58:32.809 --> 00:58:34.710 I don't know if they ever hit the peak of 1225 00:58:34.750 --> 00:58:37.650 the first match. The first match was so good. I 1226 00:58:37.750 --> 00:58:42.269 don't know if they necessarily got... to that level again 1227 00:58:42.289 --> 00:58:42.949 which was. 1228 00:58:42.909 --> 00:58:46.219 My criticism back then i was like they did too much. 1229 00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:49.539 In this first match yeah yeah now i'm sorry because 1230 00:58:49.579 --> 00:58:51.400 i i was actually thinking about that i just like 1231 00:58:52.539 --> 00:58:56.139 each match has been good good and there's been things 1232 00:58:56.280 --> 00:58:58.360 on this feud that i've really enjoyed way because i 1233 00:58:58.380 --> 00:59:02.710 think uh how consistent have i asked for just dynamite 1234 00:59:02.750 --> 00:59:05.570 and collision to be the same universe where there's overlapping 1235 00:59:05.650 --> 00:59:08.510 feuds on the shows it's just like and you you 1236 00:59:08.550 --> 00:59:10.980 go you go from the pay-per-view to dynamite, the collision, 1237 00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:13.639 the dynamite, the collision, and back to dynamite. 1238 00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:14.760 It's great. 1239 00:59:14.980 --> 00:59:18.380 Like have it like, I really liked that. This has 1240 00:59:18.460 --> 00:59:23.469 been a non title feud that, well, that now obviously 1241 00:59:23.710 --> 00:59:27.309 motor steering, motor steering machine gun has a title shot against, 1242 00:59:27.750 --> 00:59:30.610 you know, Probably the Bucks, which is fine. It'll be 1243 00:59:30.630 --> 00:59:31.110 a great match. 1244 00:59:31.170 --> 00:59:32.929 But yeah, I. 1245 00:59:32.909 --> 00:59:36.869 Don't know if the... They told different bits of the story. 1246 00:59:36.889 --> 00:59:40.500 I would have put money that the fifth and final 1247 00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:42.860 match would have been a cage match. I would have 1248 00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:45.659 loved to see those two teams in a cage match 1249 00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:49.639 for nowdy's sakes. But I did enjoy FTR doing the 1250 00:59:49.659 --> 00:59:51.300 handshake at the end of the match. 1251 00:59:52.340 --> 00:59:52.800 But yeah, no. 1252 00:59:53.260 --> 00:59:57.369 Very fundamentally, I wish AEW. 1253 00:59:57.389 --> 00:59:58.090 I was about to help you there. 1254 00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:01.539 Yes, AEW needs to do things like this more. Build 1255 01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:10.760 non-title mid-card feuds across television. And then, God forbid, if 1256 01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:13.670 the winner gets a title shot at the next pay-per-view, great. 1257 01:00:13.969 --> 01:00:16.190 That's how you build contenders. That's how you build a division. 1258 01:00:17.489 --> 01:00:19.030 I almost just want to pause the show to watch 1259 01:00:19.329 --> 01:00:23.570 Nick Wayne do his bit right now. He's strutting out. 1260 01:00:23.590 --> 01:00:25.889 Did you see what they gave him on Collision, Wade? 1261 01:00:26.050 --> 01:00:26.909 They gave him the boat horn. 1262 01:00:27.909 --> 01:00:32.010 Yes, I loved it. Yes, oh my god. I did 1263 01:00:32.070 --> 01:00:34.550 praise that one on my Sunday Wade Keller news analysis. 1264 01:00:34.610 --> 01:00:37.530 I reviewed highlights of Collision and I talked about just 1265 01:00:37.610 --> 01:00:40.530 like how amazing he is and how they replaced the 1266 01:00:40.550 --> 01:00:43.360 pyro with the boat horn, which is perfect for the 1267 01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:44.079 context of it. 1268 01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:49.699 Jericho didn't give you an invite to the boat collision? 1269 01:00:49.760 --> 01:00:49.940 No? 1270 01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:51.940 Or like the cruise, he didn't give you an invite? 1271 01:00:52.219 --> 01:00:54.019 I mean, I don't know why he would or wouldn't. 1272 01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:56.489 I mean, I don't think he was inviting journalists, period, 1273 01:00:56.530 --> 01:01:00.110 but I mean, I was on a show a few 1274 01:01:00.150 --> 01:01:00.510 years back. 1275 01:01:02.010 --> 01:01:07.190 No, he didn't invite you personally to the cruise. No, why? Well, 1276 01:01:07.230 --> 01:01:10.050 I don't know. I just thought somebody would have gone. 1277 01:01:11.289 --> 01:01:13.469 Oh,

yeah. I don't know. I mean, Todd Martin went 1278 01:01:13.530 --> 01:01:18.429 on Jericho Cruise years ago. Really? But I don't know 1279 01:01:18.449 --> 01:01:20.639 that Jericho's handing out invites, but I don't know if 1280 01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:23.380 he'd have any more reason to invite me or not 1281 01:01:23.420 --> 01:01:25.880 invite me than anybody else who covers this. I just 1282 01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:27.320 don't think he wants to give away free rooms. 1283 01:01:28.730 --> 01:01:32.769 Now, obviously, they were docked. I still fundamentally... Just for that, yeah. 1284 01:01:32.889 --> 01:01:36.280 I wonder, production-wise, how big of a pain in the 1285 01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:39.320 butt that is. Because from what I was told, Wade, 1286 01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:42.280 the reason they didn't go back to it after that 1287 01:01:42.340 --> 01:01:46.420 first awesome show that they did, I heard from a 1288 01:01:46.500 --> 01:01:48.949 production standpoint, that was such a pain in the butt 1289 01:01:48.989 --> 01:01:50.789 to do. That's why they never did it for the 1290 01:01:50.829 --> 01:01:55.269 longest time. But obviously, AEW's evolved. It's been seven years 1291 01:01:55.309 --> 01:01:58.369 since they've done that show, so obviously, maybe They've improved. 1292 01:01:58.409 --> 01:02:00.710 But yeah, no, it was a fun show. Collision should 1293 01:02:00.730 --> 01:02:03.170 still continue to be the show of unique shows because 1294 01:02:03.190 --> 01:02:06.139 you've got that. Golf Collision. Golf Collision is still really good. 1295 01:02:06.179 --> 01:02:07.300 I need to go back and watch that again. 1296 01:02:08.039 --> 01:02:08.260 Yeah. 1297 01:02:08.659 --> 01:02:10.400 I know they've been doing some stuff that's made social 1298 01:02:10.420 --> 01:02:13.460 media on the cruise. I know Nick Wayne got great 1299 01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:17.389 mood of misted on the cruise after it undocked, whatever 1300 01:02:17.429 --> 01:02:23.489 the official term is for that. Okay. So yes, one 1301 01:02:23.510 --> 01:02:26.530 thing I was going to bring up about The Machine 1302 01:02:26.550 --> 01:02:28.809 Gun FDR March. Oh, I like that they teased the 1303 01:02:28.849 --> 01:02:29.570 time limit draw. 1304 01:02:30.010 --> 01:02:32.320 I thought that, okay, I bet that. Yep. 1305 01:02:32.699 --> 01:02:34.659 Because what you want is, I mean, you can say, oh, 1306 01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:36.780 they paid a little price because the fans kind of disinvested. 1307 01:02:36.820 --> 01:02:40.429 They've groaned. Although, by the way, I don't want to 1308 01:02:40.449 --> 01:02:42.010 forget to say it. The biggest groan of the night 1309 01:02:42.210 --> 01:02:43.550 in the Dynamite portion, do you know what it was? 1310 01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:47.349 Oh, when Brody King said he doesn't believe in God 1311 01:02:47.389 --> 01:02:47.869 in Utah? 1312 01:02:48.210 --> 01:02:48.489 Yes. 1313 01:02:48.670 --> 01:02:49.710 Yes. 1314 01:02:49.769 --> 01:02:51.110 I'm glad you saw that. That's what they think. 1315 01:02:52.230 --> 01:02:52.650 Oh, my God. 1316 01:02:52.849 --> 01:02:54.389 The crowd's like, Brody, we love you. 1317 01:02:54.489 --> 01:02:55.429 Brody, you're awesome. 1318 01:02:55.730 --> 01:02:57.789 And the best part about not worrying about being in 1319 01:02:57.809 --> 01:03:00.329 my maker and having to feel justified in what I 1320 01:03:00.369 --> 01:03:05.480 do is I don't believe in God. And the crowd's like, yeah, what? Oh. 1321 01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:11.260 That was very, very ballsy of Brody to not believe 1322 01:03:11.300 --> 01:03:13.360 in God in Mormon country. Oh, that was great. Yeah, 1323 01:03:13.380 --> 01:03:15.360 because you... Yeah, that was great. 1324 01:03:15.380 --> 01:03:15.900 I enjoyed that. 1325 01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:21.550 So the crowd's deflated because Justin Roberts says, one minute remains. 1326 01:03:21.670 --> 01:03:26.230 One minute. And you're like, okay. And now you're calibrating. 1327 01:03:26.329 --> 01:03:28.750 You're like, okay. So they're going to do a tiebreaker 1328 01:03:28.929 --> 01:03:33.409 at full gear. Brian will get in a cage. No 1329 01:03:33.449 --> 01:03:35.380 time limit. And we're going to be up until like 1330 01:03:35.420 --> 01:03:38.570 three in the morning because they'll still be fighting. Anarchy 1331 01:03:38.590 --> 01:03:41.030 in the Arena hasn't happened. Osprey hasn't defended his title 1332 01:03:41.050 --> 01:03:44.590 against Fletcher yet. But this no-time-limit match with these two 1333 01:03:44.630 --> 01:03:48.780 great tag teams is hitting the three-hour mark. Three-hour in 1334 01:03:48.820 --> 01:03:52.619 that match, not pay-per-view. Okay, so Excalibur goes, what are 1335 01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:53.960 we going to do? We either have to have overtime 1336 01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:57.380 or another match, right? And Excalibur's selling it. And I'm 1337 01:03:57.400 --> 01:03:59.559 kind of like rolling my eyes a little bit going, oh, 1338 01:03:59.579 --> 01:04:02.719 how do I feel about the fifth one being a draw? 1339 01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:04.559 Shouldn't there be a longer time limit to begin with? 1340 01:04:05.300 --> 01:04:06.500 And then they just do a finish. And I'm like, 1341 01:04:06.519 --> 01:04:09.969 all right, cool. there's a, it's, there's this extra sense 1342 01:04:09.989 --> 01:04:13.449 of urgency. It's like, it's like, um, pulling your goaltender 1343 01:04:13.469 --> 01:04:15.610 in hockey. Like we just, we got it. We got 1344 01:04:15.630 --> 01:04:17.300 to get to a finish. We need to get two 1345 01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:19.659 points here. We can't, we can't let the opponent get 1346 01:04:19.699 --> 01:04:21.719 a point for tie, whatever, you know, all the rationale 1347 01:04:21.739 --> 01:04:23.280 that comes into, we just got to get a goal 1348 01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:25.639 to either tie it or whatever. You get my point. 1349 01:04:26.300 -->

01:04:27.760 So when the clocks ring out, there's a greater sense 1350 01:04:27.780 --> 01:04:29.590 of urgency, higher chance of a goal being scored late 1351 01:04:29.619 --> 01:04:33.010 in the game. Same thing here. Um, it made sense. 1352 01:04:33.230 --> 01:04:36.940 Desperation time, get, turn it up a notch, try to win. Because, 1353 01:04:37.079 --> 01:04:39.429 you know, apparently Excalibur wasn't told what would happen if 1354 01:04:39.449 --> 01:04:40.750 it was a draw. You'd think they'd account for that 1355 01:04:40.769 --> 01:04:43.949 if this was a prestigious series. So, yeah. And then 1356 01:04:43.989 --> 01:04:47.329 the shake hands with him afterwards, it worked. I don't 1357 01:04:47.349 --> 01:04:49.289 know if it was done in part because Ciampa was 1358 01:04:49.309 --> 01:04:51.230 going to offer a handshake that turned into a middle 1359 01:04:51.250 --> 01:04:55.190 finger to speedball later. If they wanted to establish, yeah, 1360 01:04:55.210 --> 01:04:58.599 heels sometimes are cordial. Or if it was more likely 1361 01:04:58.920 --> 01:05:00.500 done independently of each other, not knowing the other was 1362 01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:02.590 going to do it. But either way, that worked for me. 1363 01:05:03.510 --> 01:05:07.650 Yeah and uh shout out i really did enjoy shelly 1364 01:05:08.150 --> 01:05:14.059 selling uh the delay because he uh like obviously excalibur 1365 01:05:14.340 --> 01:05:15.920 like you said he didn't know what was going to 1366 01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:19.059 happen but shelly as a smart competitor said hey this 1367 01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:21.840 is a draw so what worst thing like let's draw 1368 01:05:21.860 --> 01:05:24.780 this out the last 30 seconds let's get it out 1369 01:05:24.909 --> 01:05:26.849 the worst thing they could do is add more time 1370 01:05:26.889 --> 01:05:29.010 or an extra match so as far because you know 1371 01:05:29.030 --> 01:05:33.750 if a guy is up like you know uh In UFC, 1372 01:05:34.010 --> 01:05:35.789 he knows he's up, and all he has to do 1373 01:05:35.849 --> 01:05:38.750 is just hold on and not just get knocked out. 1374 01:05:40.030 --> 01:05:40.829 That's actually smart. 1375 01:05:43.659 --> 01:05:45.360 Derek Mitchell has a super chat. Thank you, Derek. I 1376 01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:48.659 know this is a small size because there's only been 1377 01:05:48.679 --> 01:05:50.519 a handful of black managers, but Stokely is the only 1378 01:05:50.539 --> 01:05:53.500 black manager to manage World Tag Team Championship caliber team 1379 01:05:53.949 --> 01:05:56.429 that are white men. That's cool. 1380 01:05:57.230 --> 01:05:58.190 I never thought about that. 1381 01:05:58.789 --> 01:05:59.409 Yep, yep. 1382 01:06:00.070 --> 01:06:03.679 I liked Stokely's interview earlier in the show i don't 1383 01:06:03.699 --> 01:06:08.989 remember checks and championships yeah yes yes he was saying 1384 01:06:09.369 --> 01:06:12.349 that's not you know um uh earning respect isn't what 1385 01:06:12.389 --> 01:06:14.570 we're about we're about being able to put food on 1386 01:06:14.590 --> 01:06:17.309 the table and buy adult toys not not not like 1387 01:06:17.329 --> 01:06:19.210 you know what i mean not bedroom toys but like 1388 01:06:19.550 --> 01:06:21.949 you know whatever whatever he is that said that cash 1389 01:06:21.989 --> 01:06:23.369 wanted i didn't know what it was but. 1390 01:06:23.449 --> 01:06:26.280 Like a car motorcycle. 1391 01:06:25.659 --> 01:06:29.650 Something something like that yeah some something like that so Um, yeah, 1392 01:06:29.730 --> 01:06:31.070 Stokely has been good. It's been a good year for 1393 01:06:31.110 --> 01:06:35.250 managers in AW, um, for sure. So yeah, Champa retained 1394 01:06:35.269 --> 01:06:37.829 the national title, um, against Speedball. They got a, this 1395 01:06:37.869 --> 01:06:41.409 is awesome chant from the crowd. Um, after Champa hit 1396 01:06:41.449 --> 01:06:43.429 a running knee for convincing their fall late, Giovanni said, 1397 01:06:43.489 --> 01:06:45.150 I don't think he can beat Mike Bailey. And I'm like, okay, 1398 01:06:45.170 --> 01:06:47.550 he's about to beat Mike Bailey. And sure enough, um, 1399 01:06:47.590 --> 01:06:50.710 Champa landed another running knee and, uh, and got the pin. 1400 01:06:51.210 --> 01:06:53.469 And then he gave, uh, offered it. Oh, it was, um, 1401 01:06:53.610 --> 01:06:56.349 not the handshake to Speedball. And there's, uh, Ilya Dragunov 1402 01:06:56.389 --> 01:06:59.199 comes out, challenges him to a national title match. And 1403 01:06:59.619 --> 01:07:02.340 and then he offers a champ offers a handshake, but 1404 01:07:02.360 --> 01:07:05.090 it turns into middle fingers and he leaves. So in 1405 01:07:05.130 --> 01:07:06.630 that match, by the way, officially added to full gear. 1406 01:07:08.110 --> 01:07:11.030 Yeah, no, I'm looking forward to that. I mean, kind 1407 01:07:11.090 --> 01:07:15.210 of it's, you know, for those who haven't seen SmackDown 1408 01:07:15.389 --> 01:07:18.449 kind of, you know, they get to finish just the 1409 01:07:18.710 --> 01:07:20.570 feud they had going on SmackDown for the U.S. 1410 01:07:20.590 --> 01:07:20.949 Title. 1411 01:07:21.550 --> 01:07:21.719 Mm hmm. 1412 01:07:22.460 --> 01:07:22.599 Yep. 1413 01:07:24.429 --> 01:07:26.369 You know that last segment you're just listening to and 1414 01:07:26.409 --> 01:07:28.449 the next one that you're waiting to listen to? Those 1415 01:07:28.489 --> 01:07:30.969 can be one second apart with a VIP membership. 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01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:49.239 with Spotify, or just about any iOS or Android app 1421 01:07:49.420 --> 01:07:52.260 with a full VIP membership. You can customize the feed 1422 01:07:52.280 --> 01:07:55.619 for individual shows and clusters of shows and themes. Go 1423 01:07:55.659 --> 01:07:59.300 to pwtorch.com slash govip for full details on all the 1424 01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:02.909 options to listen commercial free. And with upper tier options, 1425 01:08:03.239 --> 01:08:06.329 unlock our VIP exclusive podcasts that run throughout the week 1426 01:08:06.389 --> 01:08:10.449 every week. All right, very good. Well, let's bring Chris 1427 01:08:10.489 --> 01:08:13.590 Lansdell into the conversation here. Chris, good to see you. 1428 01:08:13.610 --> 01:08:15.199 Good to hear from you. How's it going? Good. 1429 01:08:16.189 --> 01:08:18.510 Not bad, not bad. I should be in bed, but 1430 01:08:18.869 --> 01:08:20.890 I'm in the middle of writing a novel. So I 1431 01:08:20.909 --> 01:08:24.090 figured I'd call in because Brian, don't talk about the sword. 1432 01:08:24.109 --> 01:08:24.970 Don't make me laugh. 1433 01:08:27.310 --> 01:08:31.829 Well, Chris, explain the sword. Why are you doing this 1434 01:08:31.850 --> 01:08:35.189 to me, man? No, I just want to know. Like, earnestly, 1435 01:08:35.229 --> 01:08:40.640 I've seen clips. I thought I was just halfway asleep. 1436 01:08:40.739 --> 01:08:44.380 So explain the lore of the sword. Okay. 1437 01:08:44.939 --> 01:08:47.770 There isn't any. So Callum Newman has started coming to 1438 01:08:47.789 --> 01:08:50.670 the ring with a sword because he thinks he's Drew McIntyre. 1439 01:08:50.689 --> 01:08:53.069 He does actually kind of look like the guy, which 1440 01:08:53.149 --> 01:08:55.329 I don't have a problem bringing a sword to the ring. 1441 01:08:55.689 --> 01:08:58.069 That's a prop. It's fine. As long as you're using 1442 01:08:58.109 --> 01:09:01.279 it as a part of your character, whatever. um of 1443 01:09:01.319 --> 01:09:06.140 course he doesn't because he's a twat he has threatened 1444 01:09:06.180 --> 01:09:08.119 to use it a few times he hasn't taken it 1445 01:09:08.159 --> 01:09:10.470 out of the scabbard a couple of those times so 1446 01:09:10.529 --> 01:09:14.210 it's like okay i guess this time he brings the 1447 01:09:14.250 --> 01:09:17.710 sword into the ring and he's threatening to decapitate one 1448 01:09:17.729 --> 01:09:20.859 of his opponents um I believe it was the Knockout 1449 01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:25.399 Brothers in a six-man tag. Anyway, Ospreay comes up behind 1450 01:09:25.479 --> 01:09:29.279 him to stop him from using the sword. And Newman 1451 01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:33.060 just whirls around with a mighty two-handed swing that quite 1452 01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:36.579 literally would have taken Ospreay's head clean off his neck 1453 01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:41.699 if Ospreay hadn't ducked. And this happened in Japan. This 1454 01:09:41.739 --> 01:09:46.949 wasn't in GCW. This wasn't in Atsushi Onida's promotion. This 1455 01:09:46.970 --> 01:09:50.489 was in New Japan Pro Wrestling. What were we supposed 1456 01:09:50.510 --> 01:09:52.920 to believe was going to happen there? I'll take your 1457 01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:56.260 screwdriver and I'll raise you a flipping decapitation. 1458 01:09:58.220 --> 01:10:04.470 Yeah. And there is that aspect of what if he 1459 01:10:04.529 --> 01:10:07.409 forgets to duck? I get nervous with a Stiles Clash 1460 01:10:07.630 --> 01:10:09.649 because I think the instinct is to tuck your neck 1461 01:10:09.689 --> 01:10:14.270 and look forward. And I'm especially... I mean, obviously, there's 1462 01:10:14.289 --> 01:10:16.810 been people who've been hurt by it. Most people remember 1463 01:10:17.149 --> 01:10:19.810 to do the opposite and tilt your head back. The vast, 1464 01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:21.949 vast majority do. But I was at an indie show 1465 01:10:22.020 --> 01:10:24.020 many years ago, early in AJ's career, and I was 1466 01:10:24.039 --> 01:10:25.939 in the locker room, and AJ was explaining to the 1467 01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:28.800 local indie guy how to take the Styles Clash and 1468 01:10:28.859 --> 01:10:30.560 walking through it in the locker room. I'm going to 1469 01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:32.760 do this. I'm going to do this. And you can't 1470 01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:35.960 tuck your head. And I'm like, whoa, that's right. If 1471 01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:39.079 he does... you can end up with a broken neck. 1472 01:10:39.460 --> 01:10:42.500 And so I've seen styles emphasize that point to somebody 1473 01:10:42.520 --> 01:10:44.430 who he's never worked with before. And he was early 1474 01:10:44.449 --> 01:10:47.649 in his career. So it was a new move. Can 1475 01:10:47.670 --> 01:10:53.329 you imagine Osprey? You must duck. You must talk. I mean, 1476 01:10:53.649 --> 01:10:55.010 I laugh, but I mean, a broken neck and a 1477 01:10:55.390 --> 01:10:59.159 decapitation aren't that far apart when it comes to how serious, 1478 01:10:59.880 --> 01:11:02.960 I mean, one, your head's gone. The other is you're paralyzed, 1479 01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:06.220 but I guess one is, yeah, they're different, but they're 1480 01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:09.210 both awful. So, Anyway, yeah, stay away from that. 1481 01:11:09.270 --> 01:11:09.510 That's just. 1482 01:11:10.270 --> 01:11:15.319 Come on. Wrestling's great with wrestling moves. And, you know, 1483 01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:18.079 chairs and trash cans when you need them. Brass knuckles, 1484 01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:23.939 kendo sticks. Break tables. Stop with swords and screwdrivers. And 1485 01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:26.779 sledgehammers and plastic bags overheads. 1486 01:11:27.909 --> 01:11:30.529 Can we go back and utilizing the most deadliest weapon 1487 01:11:30.590 --> 01:11:33.829 in a cage match? The actual cage? Yeah. Yep. 1488 01:11:34.970 --> 01:11:39.649 Or... the invisible foreign

object where, you know, half the time, 1489 01:11:39.689 --> 01:11:41.979 Jerry Lawler reached out as Trump's come out and he's, 1490 01:11:42.180 --> 01:11:44.119 I got, I got something in my fit, the roll 1491 01:11:44.159 --> 01:11:45.920 of coins, the roll of coins. Let's do the roll 1492 01:11:45.939 --> 01:11:48.180 of coins. Let's go back to rolls of coins. That's 1493 01:11:48.220 --> 01:11:50.539 a little extra weight to the punch. Just walk up 1494 01:11:50.560 --> 01:11:51.859 to the line, but don't cross it. And you can 1495 01:11:51.880 --> 01:11:55.180 tell a great story. And it's only for, I harp 1496 01:11:55.220 --> 01:11:57.430 on it, but like, I want to shame people into 1497 01:11:57.489 --> 01:11:59.390 not doing it. It's what fourth graders go. Why not? 1498 01:11:59.449 --> 01:12:01.189 Why use a roll of coins when you can use 1499 01:12:01.210 --> 01:12:06.399 a sword or a gun? Like you, Come on. Then 1500 01:12:06.439 --> 01:12:08.779 the fifth grader goes, that's stupid. Fourth graders know it. 1501 01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:11.020 Fifth graders do. Sixth graders know better. Why are there 1502 01:12:11.220 --> 01:12:12.979 men in their 20s and 30s and promoters in their 1503 01:12:13.279 --> 01:12:15.140 40s and 50s going, yeah, let's up the game to 1504 01:12:15.159 --> 01:12:19.390 something that completely breaks the immersion of this world. By 1505 01:12:19.409 --> 01:12:21.670 the way, as far as Ciampa goes, I got another 1506 01:12:21.689 --> 01:12:23.789 super chat from Derek. Derek, thank you very much for 1507 01:12:23.890 --> 01:12:25.350 speaking to the super chats here on the show. The 1508 01:12:25.390 --> 01:12:27.670 last time Ciampa and Dragunov faced off on television was 1509 01:12:27.689 --> 01:12:30.180 the December 12th, 2025 episode of SmackDown. 1510 01:12:30.729 --> 01:12:30.979 Wow. 1511 01:12:31.359 --> 01:12:34.909 Where Dragunov successfully retained the U.S. title. Now it looks 1512 01:12:34.949 --> 01:12:38.260 like they're running it back again. Fun. I love that. 1513 01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:42.020 Love that fact. That is not that long ago, less 1514 01:12:42.039 --> 01:12:44.500 than a year ago. Wow. Yeah, this is not a 1515 01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:46.880 dream match we've been waiting years for, is Brian's point. 1516 01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:50.810 But I bet in AEW they'll want to raise it 1517 01:12:50.850 --> 01:12:59.609 up another notch for sure. Yeah. All right. So I'm 1518 01:12:59.630 --> 01:13:02.770 just looking at the chat. Yeah. So, Chris, what else 1519 01:13:02.829 --> 01:13:03.189 brings you? 1520 01:13:06.239 --> 01:13:10.560 I'm still shocked that I'm saying this, but the six-man 1521 01:13:10.699 --> 01:13:15.729 tag stuff with Swerve and the new level and Brodito 1522 01:13:15.810 --> 01:13:19.310 and stuff, that's been the best stuff on AWTV for weeks. 1523 01:13:20.109 --> 01:13:24.550 And I quite famously hate six-man titles. I wish they 1524 01:13:24.569 --> 01:13:28.069

didn't exist, but that angle has just been so good. 1525 01:13:28.310 --> 01:13:31.310 I do think the escalation with the new level came 1526 01:13:31.369 --> 01:13:33.609 a little sudden. I think we could have done with 1527 01:13:33.630 --> 01:13:36.590 an extra week in there of them being angry but 1528 01:13:36.630 --> 01:13:42.500 not bloodthirsty. But that is a nitpick. I love how 1529 01:13:42.760 --> 01:13:45.659 the Swerve and Hangman thing was almost like a side 1530 01:13:45.779 --> 01:13:51.199 story to the tag teams respectfully wrestling each other. And 1531 01:13:51.220 --> 01:13:53.359 the hatred and the animus spilled over and just sort 1532 01:13:53.399 --> 01:13:55.779 of seeped in to the other four guys. It's just 1533 01:13:55.800 --> 01:13:59.289 been really well put together. It's kept two main event 1534 01:13:59.329 --> 01:14:01.970 talent occupied without it seeming like that's all they're trying 1535 01:14:02.010 --> 01:14:04.250 to do with him. It's just, I've just enjoyed the 1536 01:14:04.289 --> 01:14:05.569 whole thing. It's been really, really good. 1537 01:14:05.590 --> 01:14:10.920 Yeah. And we haven't even talked about Hangman's part of 1538 01:14:10.939 --> 01:14:13.399 the promo yet, which was very good. Like Chris was saying, 1539 01:14:13.439 --> 01:14:17.840 I thought that was just, you know, to me, I 1540 01:14:17.899 --> 01:14:20.479 know you and I would have conversations about Hangman Page, 1541 01:14:20.760 --> 01:14:23.729 but when he's doing things like that, that to me 1542 01:14:23.869 --> 01:14:27.250 is main character stuff. Like when he's out there saying, 1543 01:14:27.619 --> 01:14:29.350 This is why I don't want you to do it, 1544 01:14:29.399 --> 01:14:33.060 but I understand this isn't my choice. This isn't my decision. 1545 01:14:33.100 --> 01:14:36.100 I'm doing this for you. You have something you need 1546 01:14:36.119 --> 01:14:37.520 to fight for, and I respect that. 1547 01:14:39.619 --> 01:14:43.670 Yes. And this isn't a dig on Hangman. When you're 1548 01:14:43.710 --> 01:14:47.310 coming out of the Blood and Guts matches, it's hard 1549 01:14:47.369 --> 01:14:50.949 for me to believe that a Texas Deathmatch is something 1550 01:14:51.430 --> 01:14:55.770 that is so over-the-top scary. Like, it feels... it's sort 1551 01:14:55.810 --> 01:14:58.409 of like Cody Rhodes and the punt kick. Like I'll 1552 01:14:58.430 --> 01:15:00.109 never cross that line. It's like, well, it's sort of 1553 01:15:00.229 --> 01:15:03.289 arbitrary that that's something that's so much worse than why 1554 01:15:03.310 --> 01:15:04.750 is that so much worse than a bunch of other 1555 01:15:04.770 --> 01:15:06.850 things that Cody regularly does that are big moves and 1556 01:15:06.869 --> 01:15:10.180 all that or other wrestlers do. But if you're going 1557 01:15:10.189 --> 01:15:13.560 to do it, if you're going to like sell the 1558 01:15:13.619 --> 01:15:16.720 idea that for hang man, this really is a dark 1559 01:15:16.779 --> 01:15:19.380 place that he doesn't want to go. And, but the 1560 01:15:19.439 --> 01:15:21.840 others now are like, no, we want to go, you know, 1561 01:15:21.880 --> 01:15:23.619 we're going to agree a swerve. We want to go there. 1562 01:15:24.060 --> 01:15:26.199 And hang man goes, all right, you know, I'll do it. 1563 01:15:26.199 --> 01:15:27.939 I mean, I I'm with, I'm with both you, Chris 1564 01:15:27.979 --> 01:15:29.500 and Brian. I think that this has been a, a 1565 01:15:29.520 --> 01:15:33.319 well-told story and I think it leans into hangman strength 1566 01:15:33.399 --> 01:15:35.670 as a promo. Um, sometimes he goes into this kind 1567 01:15:35.710 --> 01:15:38.470 of zone, maybe on situations where it's not called for. 1568 01:15:38.510 --> 01:15:40.270 It feels a little kind of like Adam Copeland's on 1569 01:15:40.289 --> 01:15:42.689 knives where it's a little too melodramatic. Um, this is 1570 01:15:42.810 --> 01:15:44.670 perfect though. This is when this, his strength as a 1571 01:15:44.689 --> 01:15:48.010 promo really shines. I'm, I'm with Chris. So I wish 1572 01:15:48.050 --> 01:15:50.539 we got a little bit more, a little bit more 1573 01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:56.850 space for the new level to go. Um, Yeah, we're... 1574 01:15:57.060 --> 01:15:59.680 We don't want to... We're not sold on this either. 1575 01:16:00.579 --> 01:16:03.460 And a little bit more time for Bondito and Brody. But, 1576 01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:06.880 I mean... Yeah, it's not a big deal, but it 1577 01:16:07.279 --> 01:16:09.600 felt a little compressed, a little bit... Like, this could 1578 01:16:09.619 --> 01:16:11.630 have been a six-week storyline, not a three-week storyline, or 1579 01:16:11.649 --> 01:16:13.489 a five-week storyline. Is that kind of what you're getting at, Chris? 1580 01:16:14.229 --> 01:16:17.050 Yeah, I just... I needed one more week. Like, they 1581 01:16:17.069 --> 01:16:20.390 went from zero to 60 real quick. The beatdown that 1582 01:16:20.430 --> 01:16:22.899 happened should have been enough to get them angry, but 1583 01:16:22.939 --> 01:16:26.539 the Texas death, especially because... of the way hangman has 1584 01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:28.720 been talking about it. I don't think hangman has an 1585 01:16:28.760 --> 01:16:30.340 issue with the match. I think he has an issue 1586 01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:33.560 with the match with swerve because of what happened last time. 1587 01:16:34.060 --> 01:16:36.409 And I think it's, it's that combination that has made 1588 01:16:36.449 --> 01:16:39.050 it so scary. And there's a new day or the 1589 01:16:39.090 --> 01:16:41.689 new level that is just one week off. It's the 1590 01:16:41.729 --> 01:16:44.050 only thing I was missing, but I thought hangman, he 1591 01:16:44.090 --> 01:16:46.319 was good. I don't think it was like one of 1592 01:16:46.380 --> 01:16:50.729 his best promos ever or anything. I thought Brody, he 1593 01:16:50.750 -->

01:16:54.149 made a choice to drop that line in Utah. That 1594 01:16:54.170 --> 01:16:55.170 was a decision. 1595 01:16:57.630 --> 01:16:58.840 He's smart enough to know what he did there. 1596 01:16:59.689 --> 01:17:03.039 But tonight was two things. It was let's have the 1597 01:17:03.119 --> 01:17:06.460 Mexican people with strong Mexican accents try to cut a 1598 01:17:06.479 --> 01:17:09.640 promo to varying degrees of success. But it was also 1599 01:17:09.699 --> 01:17:14.560 let's have really long title matches or feature matches that 1600 01:17:14.659 --> 01:17:17.460 aren't at the top of the card just to show 1601 01:17:17.500 --> 01:17:20.060 you how deep our roster is. I don't know if 1602 01:17:20.079 --> 01:17:26.720 we needed it, genuinely. I liked the tag match with 1603 01:17:26.760 --> 01:17:31.640 the FTR and the guns. I thought Ciampa and Speedball 1604 01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:34.840 had a really good match, but the outcome was never 1605 01:17:34.939 --> 01:17:37.420 in doubt, really. That's exactly what Speedball does. He has 1606 01:17:37.460 --> 01:17:38.720 a long, good match and loses. 1607 01:17:39.960 --> 01:17:42.579 Speak for yourself. I always have faith in Speedball. I'm 1608 01:17:42.619 --> 01:17:43.220 never losing it. 1609 01:17:44.439 --> 01:17:47.630 Yeah, well, that's just... That's just because you're hoping one 1610 01:17:47.649 --> 01:17:49.710 day we get an interview segment and your theory about 1611 01:17:49.750 --> 01:17:51.399 his basement is proven to be true. 1612 01:17:53.560 --> 01:17:56.439 Well, I did a ton of Taekwondo as like a 1613 01:17:56.479 --> 01:17:59.640 teenager into my twenties too. And so like there's, I'm 1614 01:17:59.680 --> 01:18:02.159 always like, I was like for Leona Machida too. I'm 1615 01:18:02.180 --> 01:18:03.739 just like, anytime that we can get a little like 1616 01:18:04.340 --> 01:18:06.880 tornado kick that you practice in the, in, in, in 1617 01:18:07.140 --> 01:18:08.899 you learn in karate class and you get to apply 1618 01:18:08.920 --> 01:18:10.319 it in a wrestling match. I want to see that, 1619 01:18:10.340 --> 01:18:12.489 you know, when it, when a championship. So I have 1620 01:18:12.510 --> 01:18:15.329 a little, little bias there. Plus speedball, just a upstanding athlete. 1621 01:18:15.890 --> 01:18:18.649 you know, babyface. And we need more of those to 1622 01:18:19.050 --> 01:18:20.390 set the baseline in pro wrestling. 1623 01:18:21.390 --> 01:18:25.130 I really like Speedball. I mean, I am much like him, bilingual. 1624 01:18:25.649 --> 01:18:28.409 So I've never actually heard him speak French, unlike Sammy 1625 01:18:28.529 --> 01:18:30.250 and Kevin Owens, who do it all the time. But 1626 01:18:30.390 --> 01:18:33.210 that's nice that you know that. But the matches tonight, 1627 01:18:33.270 --> 01:18:36.390 I thought, all of them felt like they went too long. 1628 01:18:36.409 --> 01:18:39.970 I think they just, they can't resist the need to

1629 01:18:40.069 --> 01:18:42.470 drag a match out five minutes longer than it needs 1630 01:18:42.529 --> 01:18:46.270 to go. Even the squash matches well i think the 1631 01:18:46.329 --> 01:18:48.750 uh the persephone one was fine but even the brian 1632 01:18:48.770 --> 01:18:52.810 cage one not brian cage wardlow one on collision just 1633 01:18:52.829 --> 01:18:56.010 felt like it went a little too long and if 1634 01:18:56.029 --> 01:18:58.729 we're gonna do this overrun thing if we're gonna make 1635 01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:01.840 our pay-per-views go five hours and drive the recap as 1636 01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:04.659 nuts hey can we just get just get a break 1637 01:19:04.739 --> 01:19:06.939 every now and then like you don't have to use 1638 01:19:07.140 --> 01:19:08.880 every second of time available to. 1639 01:19:08.779 --> 01:19:15.439 You I mean, that is a point we make a lot, 1640 01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:20.270 but also it is just consistently what they are. I mean, yeah. 1641 01:19:20.890 --> 01:19:25.010 I know it's like complaining. I don't know. I have analogies, 1642 01:19:25.050 --> 01:19:27.449 but whatever. I mean, it's just, I'm with you. I mean, 1643 01:19:27.489 --> 01:19:31.130 I would like pay-per-view shorter. I'd like matches that are 1644 01:19:31.170 --> 01:19:33.409 non-competitive or where the outcome is not in doubt to 1645 01:19:33.449 --> 01:19:36.890 be shorter so that it feels, I don't know. I 1646 01:19:36.909 --> 01:19:38.479 think Tony's like, we flew them in. They got all 1647 01:19:38.489 --> 01:19:41.989 warmed up. you know, we have a format to fill. 1648 01:19:42.010 --> 01:19:44.020 We got space between commercials. I mean, a lot of 1649 01:19:44.060 --> 01:19:46.520 things dictated, but I mean, I'm with you. I would, 1650 01:19:47.079 --> 01:19:48.619 I would shorten some of these up. I think it 1651 01:19:48.659 --> 01:19:51.220 would be better for them to have a little bit 1652 01:19:51.260 --> 01:19:55.560 more pace and more matches or more other types of 1653 01:19:55.579 --> 01:19:57.529 things than just a long match where you know what's 1654 01:19:57.550 --> 01:19:59.869 going to happen. That said, I think Speedball and Ciampa 1655 01:19:59.890 --> 01:20:02.149 going 16 in the final match of the first two 1656 01:20:02.170 --> 01:20:04.409 hours isn't, that's not too long for me. I mean, 1657 01:20:04.449 --> 01:20:07.289 it's pushing it, but I mean, I think Speedball's been 1658 01:20:07.630 --> 01:20:10.939 treated as credible enough and Ciampa's not exactly world title 1659 01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:13.890 level guys. So to me, less than that would actually 1660 01:20:13.909 --> 01:20:16.569 be kind of demeaning speedball a little bit, just given 1661 01:20:16.630 --> 01:20:18.729 who Champa has been portrayed as so far. 1662 01:20:21.829 --> 01:20:24.659 Hey everyone, Greg Parks here. You've probably heard me hosting 1663 01:20:24.680 --> 01:20:27.420 Wrestling Night in America after pay-per-views and also co-hosting the 1664 01:20:27.460 --> 01:20:30.359 Tuesday flagship with Wade Keller. I also host a VIP 1665 01:20:30.399 --> 01:20:33.600 exclusive podcast every week called Greg Parks Out Loud. In 1666 01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:36.119 this podcast, I delve into a single topic for around 1667 01:20:36.119 --> 01:20:38.069 20 minutes, perfect length for one of your daily commutes 1668 01:20:38.250 --> 01:20:40.689 or while walking the dog. A couple of my recent 1669 01:20:40.729 --> 01:20:42.800 episodes included a look at TNA as they move to 1670 01:20:42.840 --> 01:20:47.399 AMC and WWE and AEW injuries for the year 2025. 1671 01:20:47.399 --> 01:20:49.819 You can listen to VIP podcasts with a VIP membership 1672 01:20:49.859 --> 01:20:53.260 on many platforms, including on Patreon, Spotify, the Apple Podcasts 1673 01:20:53.300 --> 01:20:56.119 native app on iPhone and CarPlay, just about every popular 1674 01:20:56.199 --> 01:20:58.880 iOS and Android podcast app out there, and even stream 1675 01:20:58.899 --> 01:21:02.239 right from the ad-free PWTorch VIP website. Full details on 1676 01:21:02.260 --> 01:21:06.680 VIP membership at pwtorch.com slash govip. As an added bonus, 1677 01:21:06.840 --> 01:21:09.340 VIP membership means you won't hear this commercial again, or 1678 01:21:09.439 --> 01:21:12.100 any commercials, as commercial breaks are skipped right over on 1679 01:21:12.119 --> 01:21:15.279 the VIP podcast feed, in addition to all the commercial-free 1680 01:21:15.319 --> 01:21:16.220 VIP podcasts. 1681 01:21:16.600 --> 01:21:17.020 Check it out. 1682 01:21:17.180 --> 01:21:19.060 We'd love for you to join our community and unlock 1683 01:21:19.159 --> 01:21:21.430 access to all our VIP-exclusive content. 1684 01:21:24.109 --> 01:21:27.050 I don't think, on its own, it would have been 1685 01:21:27.069 --> 01:21:30.109 too long. I think just in combination with everything else, 1686 01:21:30.310 --> 01:21:30.899 it just felt. 1687 01:21:31.140 --> 01:21:31.479 That's fair. 1688 01:21:31.539 --> 01:21:36.979 Especially on a three-, four-hour rat. three hours, 36 minutes 1689 01:21:37.119 --> 01:21:38.699 as we're recording this and they're still going. 1690 01:21:39.659 --> 01:21:39.739 Yeah. 1691 01:21:39.760 --> 01:21:43.310 And we did open the show with 30 minute promo, um, which. 1692 01:21:44.090 --> 01:21:46.069 Not really. We had the back, we had the locker 1693 01:21:46.090 --> 01:21:47.890 room segment and then the promo. So the promo went 1694 01:21:47.930 --> 01:21:50.329 like 18 minutes or something like that or 20, but, 1695 01:21:51.010 --> 01:21:54.680 but the, the, the first match of dynamite for the 1696 01:21:54.729 --> 01:21:59.279 record started 30, the bell rang. Let's let me get 1697 01:21:59.300 --> 01:22:05.130 this right here. Um, 33 minutes into the hour, the 1698 01:22:05.149 --> 01:22:07.710 ref called for the bell, but there was fighting at 1699 01:22:07.770 --> 01:22:10.560 ringside

with New Level and Brodito before that. So the 1700 01:22:10.609 --> 01:22:12.960 opening promo was less than 30 minutes because we had 1701 01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:14.939 ring entrances for New Level and Brodito. We had a 1702 01:22:14.960 --> 01:22:18.460 vignette on Copeland in Okada, and we had a commercial break, 1703 01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:20.899 and we had the locker room segment. So the first 1704 01:22:20.939 --> 01:22:23.189 match didn't start officially until a half hour into the show, 1705 01:22:23.199 --> 01:22:26.409 but there was other stuff besides that promo. Nevertheless, my 1706 01:22:26.449 --> 01:22:28.510 hunch is that's probably a record, Brian, in terms of 1707 01:22:29.010 --> 01:22:32.310 the longest it took before the bell rang on a dynamite. 1708 01:22:33.350 --> 01:22:34.890 Yeah, that sounds about right. I was trying to think 1709 01:22:34.930 --> 01:22:38.090 unless there was like a famous MJF promo that opened 1710 01:22:38.109 --> 01:22:42.270 the show that I'm forgetting. That's completely possible. And Chris, 1711 01:22:42.310 --> 01:22:44.989 if I could provide some positivity for you. So with 1712 01:22:45.010 --> 01:22:49.010 the show on Saturday, it could be maybe, maybe we 1713 01:22:49.029 --> 01:22:53.649 could get the four hour flat show because the Jaguars 1714 01:22:53.670 --> 01:22:56.210 do play the Titans on Sunday at noon. So maybe 1715 01:22:56.250 --> 01:22:59.680 Tony Kana want to zip out pretty, pretty early so 1716 01:22:59.689 --> 01:23:02.279 he can get to Tennessee the next day for the game. 1717 01:23:03.250 --> 01:23:06.289 What really matters, though, what really matters is when does 1718 01:23:06.329 --> 01:23:10.680 Kirk Cousins take the field at Lambeau Field representing the 1719 01:23:10.699 --> 01:23:13.920 Vikings with their new returning starting quarterback against Green Bay Packers? 1720 01:23:14.439 --> 01:23:16.960 Well, that's 12 o'clock on Sunday, Dwayne. 1721 01:23:17.439 --> 01:23:20.039 Yeah, yeah. That's all that matters. 1722 01:23:20.579 --> 01:23:24.260 American football. Got it. Okay. 1723 01:23:24.840 --> 01:23:28.520 Already, Kirk Cousins has been spotted at my local Kohl's 1724 01:23:28.979 --> 01:23:33.069 buying a new shirt. Cause he's a coal, he's a 1725 01:23:33.170 --> 01:23:35.409 coal shopper. I mean, my, my, my son like went 1726 01:23:35.430 --> 01:23:37.489 to high school with some of his neighbor kids, some 1727 01:23:37.529 --> 01:23:39.170 neighbors who have kids who go to the same high school. 1728 01:23:39.189 --> 01:23:41.310 He's like lived really, you know, relatively close to me 1729 01:23:41.340 --> 01:23:43.520 in the same school district. Um, and I live near 1730 01:23:43.539 --> 01:23:45.600 the Viking headquarters and yeah, there's a coals near here. 1731 01:23:45.659 --> 01:23:47.319 And there was a joke yesterday when he, when he 1732 01:23:47.359 --> 01:23:50.899 got returned to Minnesota that, um, somebody quipped on social media. 1733

01:23:51.340 --> 01:23:53.479 He never actually sold his house because it was so 1734 01:23:53.520 --> 01:23:55.779 close to his favorite coals. He couldn't give up. He 1735 01:23:55.800 --> 01:23:58.489 couldn't give it up. Um, but he did reveal today 1736 01:23:58.510 --> 01:24:00.359 at the press conference that he did sell his house 1737 01:24:00.399 --> 01:24:03.100 because his wife's a neighbor who was a friend of 1738 01:24:03.140 --> 01:24:05.020 his wife knew someone who wanted to buy it. And 1739 01:24:05.079 --> 01:24:06.359 so he said, we didn't have to put it on 1740 01:24:06.380 --> 01:24:07.739 the market. They sold right away. So we did sell 1741 01:24:07.779 --> 01:24:09.699 his house, but he didn't forget where Cole's is apparently. 1742 01:24:09.739 --> 01:24:11.729 Cause he was literally, I mean, I recognize the photo 1743 01:24:11.750 --> 01:24:14.090 they took unless it's AI, it could be AI, um, 1744 01:24:14.289 --> 01:24:15.649 which is fine either way, but yeah, he was at 1745 01:24:16.430 --> 01:24:19.489 shopping for a nice $ 40 shirt at Cole's very, very, 1746 01:24:19.949 --> 01:24:22.289 very Kirk cousins of him, but we're so happy to 1747 01:24:22.310 --> 01:24:22.949 have him back right now. 1748 01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:26.090 Now, Wade, you have to obviously bump into him and 1749 01:24:26.130 --> 01:24:26.850 get him on the show. 1750 01:24:28.869 --> 01:24:30.430 You know what? I think he would refuse to watch 1751 01:24:30.489 --> 01:24:31.750 AEW because of what Brody King said. 1752 01:24:35.770 --> 01:24:37.960 Which part? The ice part or the God part? 1753 01:24:38.779 --> 01:24:43.180 Hopefully, I guess hopefully. Yeah, hopefully the God part. Kirk's 1754 01:24:43.199 --> 01:24:45.100 too nice to be pro-ice, but I don't know that 1755 01:24:45.140 --> 01:24:47.130 he would support a company who would hire somebody who 1756 01:24:47.149 --> 01:24:49.189 would say they don't believe in a God. I'm joking. 1757 01:24:49.210 --> 01:24:50.609 He's around a bunch of people with a bunch of 1758 01:24:50.789 --> 01:24:53.750 different views on faith and religion. 1759 01:24:54.109 --> 01:24:57.909 Help a poor, ignorant English-Canadian man. The Cowboys are from 1760 01:24:57.949 --> 01:25:00.710 the great liberal state of Texas, right? 1761 01:25:00.750 --> 01:25:02.930 Yeah, the tsunami. Yes. 1762 01:25:03.449 --> 01:25:06.010 I love it. I did see a meme recently that 1763 01:25:06.109 --> 01:25:09.170 asked which liberal state had the best barbecue, Kansas or 1764 01:25:09.310 --> 01:25:10.729 North Carolina or Texas. 1765 01:25:13.239 --> 01:25:15.060 Now Mississippi. Tonight it's official. 1766 01:25:15.239 --> 01:25:16.520 Yeah, it could be Mississippi. 1767 01:25:16.600 --> 01:25:17.359 Let's call them. 1768 01:25:18.399 --> 01:25:22.380 I I'll hear for it I'm here for it I 1769 01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:25.739 I really have the pay-per-view on um Saturday it'll be 1770 01:25:25.779 --> 01:25:28.220 Sunday by the

time it's over for me um doesn't 1771 01:25:28.840 --> 01:25:30.979 end up going that late just because I I really 1772 01:25:31.000 --> 01:25:33.699 couldn't handle it my claim to fame I have never 1773 01:25:33.739 --> 01:25:35.899 shopped at a Coles with cousins but I have turned 1774 01:25:35.960 --> 01:25:37.380 alley-oops to satin and sing. 1775 01:25:38.020 --> 01:25:42.739 Uh because he played I didn't need to hear this 1776 01:25:42.779 --> 01:25:46.550 story sorry Wade This is a former Dallas Maverick grade. 1777 01:25:46.569 --> 01:25:47.670 I gotta, I gotta hear this. 1778 01:25:47.949 --> 01:25:50.920 He played semi pro basketball here in town with the St. 1779 01:25:50.939 --> 01:25:54.380 John's edge, the team for which I do the arena announcing, 1780 01:25:54.899 --> 01:25:57.380 which is another one of my side hustles. And I 1781 01:25:57.439 --> 01:25:59.539 used to just be around at the warmups, chatting with 1782 01:25:59.560 --> 01:26:01.270 the guys, seeing if they wanted me to change how 1783 01:26:01.310 --> 01:26:03.989 I announced them for baskets and stuff. And sometimes they 1784 01:26:04.029 --> 01:26:06.069 had bad, sometimes they had great ideas. Most of the 1785 01:26:06.109 --> 01:26:08.670 time they were awful. And I was just, I'd shoot 1786 01:26:08.689 --> 01:26:10.510 hoops with them sometimes. And he wanted me to feed 1787 01:26:10.529 --> 01:26:12.270 him in the post and throw him some alley-oops and 1788 01:26:12.939 --> 01:26:15.260 When he showed up on AEW, I just about fell 1789 01:26:15.279 --> 01:26:18.600 off my couch. Just for the record, he wasn't good 1790 01:26:18.640 --> 01:26:24.460 at basketball either. He got drafted though. Well, yeah, he's 1791 01:26:24.500 --> 01:26:25.840 got one over on me, but I think if I 1792 01:26:25.859 --> 01:26:27.699 was seven foot four, I'd probably get drafted as well. 1793 01:26:31.739 --> 01:26:34.189 Yeah, that'll do it. People take a chance on you 1794 01:26:34.229 --> 01:26:38.310 if you're seven foot four. Derek Mitchell says, I'm glad 1795 01:26:38.329 --> 01:26:40.229 Kirk Cousins is back as Carson Wentz was god awful 1796 01:26:40.270 --> 01:26:42.010 on Monday and Kyler Murray seems to only care about 1797 01:26:42.029 --> 01:26:44.699 Call of Duty. And Grand Theft Auto. You know, he's 1798 01:26:44.779 --> 01:26:47.220 playing to get another NFL contract. He should give up 1799 01:26:47.239 --> 01:26:51.359 video games and grow to be somewhere closer to 7'4 1800 01:26:51.689 --> 01:26:54.470 than 5'4. Not much you can do about that. 1801 01:26:54.489 --> 01:26:57.810 Obviously not a Legend of Zelda fan. I didn't see 1802 01:26:57.869 --> 01:27:01.810 him out in the lines last week waiting. Because that's 1803 01:27:01.829 --> 01:27:06.270 where I was last week. I was out with the 1804 01:27:06.310 --> 01:27:10.579 people waiting. I was actually getting physical media. Physical media 1805 01:27:10.619 --> 01:27:11.340 has not died. 1806 01:27:11.359 --> 01:27:12.819 No, it's making a comeback. 1807 01:27:13.199 --> 01:27:18.529 Yes, it was fantastic. There was a young lady in 1808 01:27:18.590 --> 01:27:22.890 line at 11 a.m. waiting for the new Legend of 1809 01:27:22.930 --> 01:27:26.529 Zelda console. She was getting it for her son, Wade. 1810 01:27:26.810 --> 01:27:29.970 And then they didn't release. So 11 a.m. to 11 p.m. 1811 01:27:31.130 --> 01:27:31.470 All day. 1812 01:27:31.489 --> 01:27:36.239 Wow. Yeah, it was, you know, because I was like, oh, 1813 01:27:36.319 --> 01:27:39.840 I'll get there early. You know, I got there about 9, 930. And, 1814 01:27:40.180 --> 01:27:42.319 you know, well, I had a pre-order. I was just 1815 01:27:42.350 --> 01:27:44.229 getting the game, but a shout out to all those 1816 01:27:44.609 --> 01:27:46.270 folks in it. It was nice. Wait, I was a 1817 01:27:46.449 --> 01:27:48.529 month to people. I was talking video games. I was 1818 01:27:48.550 --> 01:27:51.069 talking wrestling. It was, it was fantastic. 1819 01:27:51.909 --> 01:27:52.770 Love it. 1820 01:27:52.789 --> 01:27:56.729 I mean, I'm old enough to remember midnight releases for 1821 01:27:56.750 --> 01:27:59.510 a grand theft auto two and tomb Raider and resident 1822 01:27:59.550 --> 01:28:02.630 evil three. And I, I worked at a game store. 1823 01:28:02.930 --> 01:28:06.010 Yeah, it was great. Well, going to, going to, going 1824 01:28:06.029 --> 01:28:08.430 to blockbuster and make, and getting the, one of the 1825 01:28:08.470 --> 01:28:12.510 last three copies of, of, you know, the Titanic off 1826 01:28:12.550 --> 01:28:15.399 the shelf before they're, before they're all rented. There's a, 1827 01:28:15.670 --> 01:28:19.119 there's a sense of, of adventure to physical media. And 1828 01:28:19.140 --> 01:28:20.800 of course with streaming services now, a lot of people 1829 01:28:20.819 --> 01:28:22.140 are just like, I just want to own my DVD sets. 1830 01:28:22.180 --> 01:28:24.159 Cause I don't want to be, there it is. There's 1831 01:28:24.199 --> 01:28:26.739 a glare tilted, tilted at 30 tilted a little bit 1832 01:28:26.760 --> 01:28:27.779 away from like, there we go. Yep. 1833 01:28:28.960 --> 01:28:32.430 So I actually made the decision. So I will not 1834 01:28:32.550 --> 01:28:35.750 open this. I will get this graded and I will 1835 01:28:35.770 --> 01:28:42.079 just keep this because it's part of history. And I 1836 01:28:42.119 --> 01:28:43.340 was very, very happy. 1837 01:28:43.359 --> 01:28:45.760 And that's classic game too. 1838 01:28:46.239 --> 01:28:46.500 Yes. 1839 01:28:48.579 --> 01:28:53.850 Yeah. I, I, I used to love. Oh, CDs. I 1840 01:28:53.869 --> 01:28:54.289 can't reach. 1841 01:28:54.369 --> 01:28:56.310 I went CD shopping the other day. I want, I 1842 01:28:56.329 --> 01:28:58.390 got physical media. I'm burning them to my, uh, to 1843 01:28:58.409 --> 01:29:02.920 my dap. Uh, you know ripping them on cds um 1844 01:29:03.100 --> 01:29:07.159 filling

out my john collection with goodbye yellow brick road 1845 01:29:08.020 --> 01:29:14.010 um got uh breach 21 pilot yeah so wow. 1846 01:29:13.909 --> 01:29:16.409 Yeah my my brother works in royalties and he's always 1847 01:29:16.430 --> 01:29:19.949 telling me to get physical media uh he's always yeah 1848 01:29:19.970 --> 01:29:21.449 it needs to come back for sure. 1849 01:29:21.229 --> 01:29:23.979 I can't i can't take it from you no well 1850 01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:25.539 you might have trouble finding a cd player but. 1851 01:29:27.319 --> 01:29:29.640 Well, that's the problem. And they don't tend to fit 1852 01:29:29.659 --> 01:29:31.199 in your pocket very well. Although I did have a 1853 01:29:31.239 --> 01:29:32.060 disc when growing up. 1854 01:29:32.520 --> 01:29:34.699 I got, I revved up my, first of all, you 1855 01:29:34.720 --> 01:29:38.310 can get awesome dApps right now, digital audio players that 1856 01:29:38.409 --> 01:29:40.789 you just burn your music to from CDs. It's higher 1857 01:29:40.869 --> 01:29:43.470 quality sound. You don't have to worry about like wifi 1858 01:29:43.529 --> 01:29:46.270 and 5G connections. You own it and you can burn 1859 01:29:46.289 --> 01:29:48.869 it at the highest quality rate and the storage capacity 1860 01:29:48.890 --> 01:29:51.789 is where, but I'm using my old, the last generation 1861 01:29:51.850 --> 01:29:53.840 iPod that I bought right as I kind of shifted 1862 01:29:53.850 --> 01:29:56.520 to streaming and now i've just reloaded it with with 1863 01:29:56.560 --> 01:29:57.960 a bunch of cool stuff and you go to library 1864 01:29:57.979 --> 01:29:59.500 you can check out cds and burn them and return 1865 01:29:59.520 --> 01:30:02.380 them rip them and return them um and then there 1866 01:30:02.399 --> 01:30:04.300 they are there you don't have to pay a monthly 1867 01:30:04.319 --> 01:30:06.489 fee to keep your favorite library it's been fun to 1868 01:30:06.630 --> 01:30:10.489 dust off the the non-connected media. 1869 01:30:11.750 --> 01:30:14.850 Definitely yeah well gents i thought it was a good 1870 01:30:14.890 --> 01:30:18.529 show i will i will say um good matches like 1871 01:30:18.560 --> 01:30:21.680 they're building to a show that i mean i think 1872 01:30:22.250 --> 01:30:26.329 Most people are not expecting any special or any major 1873 01:30:26.430 --> 01:30:30.029 title changes or anything. I'm not so sure. I think 1874 01:30:30.789 --> 01:30:34.050 Ospreay might be in jeopardy. His title reign hasn't exactly 1875 01:30:34.069 --> 01:30:38.220 set the world on fire, but the Kyle Fletcher has ascended. 1876 01:30:38.340 --> 01:30:40.979 Like he's been about to for a long time and 1877 01:30:41.420 --> 01:30:43.159 no matter what happens, whether he wins or not, I 1878 01:30:43.220 --> 01:30:46.359 think this isn't a visit. This is a, a move 1879 01:30:46.420 --> 01:30:48.000 to the top of the card and I'm excited to 1880 01:30:48.039 --> 01:30:49.140 see how it

plays out from here. 1881 01:30:50.760 --> 01:30:55.800 Yeah. I, I agree. iPhone users, if you're listening to 1882 01:30:55.859 --> 01:30:58.649 us on the Native Podcast app on your iPhone, You 1883 01:30:58.670 --> 01:31:02.489 can unlock our commercial-free versions of our free shows by 1884 01:31:02.529 --> 01:31:06.319 searching PWTorch in Apple Podcasts. You'll see a charcoal gray 1885 01:31:06.359 --> 01:31:08.960 logo that says PWTorch VIP on it. Click on that. 1886 01:31:09.000 --> 01:31:11.399 There's some free samples of VIP shows, and you can 1887 01:31:11.640 --> 01:31:15.529 unlock the entire VIP lineup, which includes VIP exclusives plus 1888 01:31:15.550 --> 01:31:19.189 commercial-free versions of the free shows by searching PWTorch in 1889 01:31:19.409 --> 01:31:22.270 Apple Podcasts and clicking on the PWTorch VIP logo. and 1890 01:31:22.289 --> 01:31:24.569 then activate your three-day free trial. 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Just search PWTorch in your 1897 01:31:44.199 --> 01:31:48.159 Apple Podcast app. Brian, you want anything to that? 1898 01:31:49.119 --> 01:31:52.340 No, I mean, I think there's a possibility of the 1899 01:31:52.600 --> 01:31:56.060 Trios titles potentially changing because it just seems inevitable that 1900 01:31:56.079 --> 01:31:57.460 we're going to get the new level of the Swearer 1901 01:31:57.479 --> 01:32:00.470 versus the Bucks and Omega at some point. It just 1902 01:32:00.779 --> 01:32:05.890 seems it's written in the stars. I don't know if 1903 01:32:05.930 --> 01:32:09.489 I'm sold on Fletcher necessarily winning the title, but again, 1904 01:32:09.789 --> 01:32:13.189 he's at least planted doubt. Like I said, I'm really 1905 01:32:13.250 --> 01:32:16.430 excited for that. But obviously they're holding everything in the 1906 01:32:16.449 --> 01:32:18.989 can for you, Wade, because next month. They're heading to 1907 01:32:19.050 --> 01:32:19.829 the neck of the woods. 1908 01:32:20.130 --> 01:32:28.310 Yep. We'll see how much of a B-show it feels like. Oh, 1909 01:32:28.329 --> 01:32:29.270 I thought you meant. 1910 01:32:29.409 --> 01:32:31.289 Were you talking about for World's End or this one? 1911 01:32:31.470 --> 01:32:32.250 Yeah, World's End, yeah. 1912 01:32:32.489 --> 01:32:34.189 Okay, so they're going to save all the good stuff 1913 01:32:34.210 --> 01:32:34.729 for Minnesota. 1914 01:32:34.789 --> 01:32:40.979 Okay, got it. Cool. Chris, anything you want to bring 1915 01:32:41.020 --> 01:32:43.659 up that we brought up earlier in the show? Our 1916 01:32:44.279 --> 01:32:45.939 evaluation of some of the other segments? Or you kind 1917 01:32:45.960 --> 01:32:47.869 of talked about what you wanted to? 1918 01:32:48.199 --> 01:32:50.060 You know, I just wanted to take it a couple 1919 01:32:50.079 --> 01:32:51.779 of points out and I will, I will leave you 1920 01:32:51.819 --> 01:32:54.039 gents to it since you know, it is now one 1921 01:32:54.039 --> 01:32:54.520 30 in the morning. 1922 01:32:55.500 --> 01:32:58.439 Yes. Get some sleep. Thanks Chris. I was good talking 1923 01:32:58.479 --> 01:32:58.609 to you. 1924 01:32:58.800 --> 01:33:02.020 No worries. Go VIP folks on CNN forums. Take it easy. 1925 01:33:02.439 --> 01:33:06.699 Yep. Uh, VIP forum and also check out, uh, Chris's writing, uh, 1926 01:33:06.750 --> 01:33:11.529 covering new Japan's good articles on PW torch in the, um, uh, Japan, uh, 1927 01:33:11.569 --> 01:33:14.850 results section. And he, and, uh, Josh White has noted 1928 01:33:14.909 --> 01:33:17.319 do the worse or better show. I get together to 1929 01:33:17.340 --> 01:33:19.300 do that. And he also joins me on post shows 1930 01:33:19.520 --> 01:33:21.520 and once on the flagship, we'll do that again soon too. 1931 01:33:21.539 --> 01:33:24.460 That was really fun. Chris Lansdale, great part of the 1932 01:33:24.560 --> 01:33:30.630 torch team. Let's see. Rude dog. Going back to the 1933 01:33:30.649 --> 01:33:32.529 last discussion says I have hundreds of vinyl records, even 1934 01:33:32.569 --> 01:33:35.310 at my own record label at one point. Ooh, maybe 1935 01:33:35.329 --> 01:33:36.189 I want to hear more about that. 1936 01:33:36.590 --> 01:33:37.029 Yeah. 1937 01:33:37.069 --> 01:33:37.750 I mean, details. 1938 01:33:38.850 --> 01:33:40.590 Zach Barber said, I'm a vinyl guy. Nothing like a 1939 01:33:40.609 --> 01:33:43.630 good record. I get that, but I mean, you can 1940 01:33:44.050 --> 01:33:46.189 have vinyl, but I mean, if you want to, Rip 1941 01:33:46.199 --> 01:33:48.529 it to a DAP or an old MP3 player. You 1942 01:33:48.550 --> 01:33:50.430 got to, you know, find a way to do that. 1943 01:33:50.470 --> 01:33:54.649 It's a little easier with CDs. I'm just waiting. I'm 1944 01:33:54.710 --> 01:33:57.789 waiting to get news that a major car manufacturer has 1945 01:33:58.289 --> 01:34:00.630 brought CD players back to the car. That'll be a 1946 01:34:00.689 --> 01:34:02.930 sign of a real return to the media. But they're 1947 01:34:02.949 --> 01:34:04.600 not going to do it because everything now, it's like 1948 01:34:04.640 --> 01:34:07.300 cars are selling subscriptions. They want you to pay for 1949 01:34:07.500 --> 01:34:09.880 access to Apple Music or, you know, or Spotify or 1950 01:34:09.899 --> 01:34:14.100 whatever in your car and get the cellular connection. So they're... 1951 01:34:14.600 --> 01:34:16.260 There's not an

incentive to do it, but you can 1952 01:34:16.479 --> 01:34:18.970 at least, you can MP3. You can use, or I'm 1953 01:34:18.979 --> 01:34:22.149 sure you can use Bluetooth to connect your MP3. So 1954 01:34:22.310 --> 01:34:25.729 it's not, they're not actually stopping you now. Let's see. 1955 01:34:26.930 --> 01:34:28.250 Rude Dog, by the way, speaking of him, says my 1956 01:34:28.270 --> 01:34:32.130 mom worked at Kohl's for years. That's great. Ducky D says, 1957 01:34:32.149 --> 01:34:33.949 I know Wade doesn't spend a lot of time online, 1958 01:34:33.970 --> 01:34:38.100 but these Kirk Cousins AI memes are absolutely hilarious. Email 1959 01:34:38.119 --> 01:34:40.560 me some, Ducky D. Email, I want to see. I'm 1960 01:34:40.579 --> 01:34:42.600 all into the return of Kirk Cousins. His press conference, 1961 01:34:42.619 --> 01:34:44.060 he was so nice in the press conference today. 1962 01:34:44.859 --> 01:34:45.909 Um, seems like a nice guy. 1963 01:34:46.409 --> 01:34:50.670 Yeah, definitely. And I also just after Monday's game, I mean, 1964 01:34:50.689 --> 01:34:53.970 I'm not saying, you know, I'm not saying I want 1965 01:34:53.989 --> 01:34:55.689 Brett Favre to come out of retirement or anything, speaking 1966 01:34:55.729 --> 01:35:02.579 of Mississippi, um, or, uh, yeah, any other ex-Pecker quarterback, but, um, 1967 01:35:03.279 --> 01:35:05.000 but yeah, I'm ready for, I'm ready for, uh, the 1968 01:35:05.020 --> 01:35:07.699 return of the glory years of, of, of accurate passes 1969 01:35:09.100 --> 01:35:10.920 and competence at that position. 1970 01:35:11.800 --> 01:35:15.020 They didn't look at 50-year-old Phillip Rivers. You know, he 1971 01:35:15.060 --> 01:35:15.579 was available. 1972 01:35:16.779 --> 01:35:18.689 They were joking Monday. Drew Brees was teasing coming out 1973 01:35:18.710 --> 01:35:20.390 of retirement. Oh, my God. 1974 01:35:20.569 --> 01:35:21.109 Could you imagine? 1975 01:35:21.710 --> 01:35:24.510 I can't imagine a worse game than Monday's quarterback performance 1976 01:35:25.029 --> 01:35:26.770 by Carson Wentz. 1977 01:35:27.489 --> 01:35:30.600 It was the worst QBR rating ever? 1978 01:35:30.760 --> 01:35:33.640 It was either the second worst Viking one, maybe the 1979 01:35:33.680 --> 01:35:38.359 third worst ever. And I was four. Carson Wentz had 1980 01:35:38.380 --> 01:35:42.770 looked good. Like, good. Not very good. just good earlier 1981 01:35:42.789 --> 01:35:45.550 in the year. And so I was, I was not 1982 01:35:45.789 --> 01:35:47.449 expecting that. 1983 01:35:47.770 --> 01:35:48.029 Yes. 1984 01:35:49.430 --> 01:35:52.550 All right. Trying to think if there's anything else that's 1985 01:35:52.569 --> 01:35:55.189 kind of saving to, to bring up. Did you like 1986 01:35:55.220 --> 01:35:56.699 the Andrade promo with Renee? 1987 01:35:57.279 --> 01:35:57.739 Yes. 1988 01:35:59.060 --> 01:36:02.260 I honestly, so I thought the collision promo he had 1989 01:36:02.279 --> 01:36:07.760 with Renee Saturday was actually better. He just, I, I, 1990 01:36:07.779 --> 01:36:11.829 we've talked about his promos getting better. I, having utilizing 1991 01:36:11.930 --> 01:36:16.189 renee you know because i think utilizing renee as the 1992 01:36:16.250 --> 01:36:18.989 mean gene that's what you should always be doing i 1993 01:36:19.010 --> 01:36:22.149 just feel like andrade just feels so comfortable he feels 1994 01:36:22.260 --> 01:36:25.239 loose i i was talking to a wrestler this past 1995 01:36:25.460 --> 01:36:28.500 sunday on an indie show and i i told him 1996 01:36:28.520 --> 01:36:31.460 hey i don't know if who's been working with them 1997 01:36:31.500 --> 01:36:35.100 but i just felt like this was probably the best 1998 01:36:35.140 --> 01:36:37.800 promo he's ever cut and you know, is that he's 1999 01:36:37.840 --> 01:36:40.520 more comfortable? Is that because he was bouncing off Renee 2000 01:36:40.550 --> 01:36:44.350 and Renee's like emphasizing, like kind of setting them up for, 2001 01:36:44.590 --> 01:36:48.310 you know, how, you know, stuff, but no, yeah. Kudos 2002 01:36:48.329 --> 01:36:52.329 for him. What did you think of his, we don't 2003 01:36:52.350 --> 01:36:55.470 have the contract on the clipboard. It's in a fancy case. 2004 01:36:55.510 --> 01:36:56.810 So is he going to bust somebody on the head 2005 01:36:56.829 --> 01:36:57.189 with that? 2006 01:36:57.810 --> 01:37:00.850 Probably, but it's weird. I mean, it's weird having a 2007 01:37:00.890 --> 01:37:05.430 certificate in like this thick, frame and there's like paper 2008 01:37:05.470 --> 01:37:08.130 clips holding it in place. It's kind of, it's kind 2009 01:37:08.149 --> 01:37:09.210 of Bush league, to be honest. 2010 01:37:09.789 --> 01:37:11.770 Not what, what, what he needs. Wait, he needs some 2011 01:37:11.810 --> 01:37:12.729 pyro on that. 2012 01:37:12.850 --> 01:37:13.229 He does. 2013 01:37:13.409 --> 01:37:16.800 He needs some pyro. 2014 01:37:17.380 --> 01:37:19.880 I don't know what to expect there. I thought this 2015 01:37:19.920 --> 01:37:22.380 was not the best. I thought Andrade was pushing his 2016 01:37:22.420 --> 01:37:24.100 luck with me a little bit. I think a little, 2017 01:37:24.199 --> 01:37:28.359 little bit shorter is better. A little repetitive. I know, 2018 01:37:28.430 --> 01:37:31.109 you know, like, Oh, you got momentum from collision lean 2019 01:37:31.130 --> 01:37:34.359 into it, but you know, there's, there's, It's still a challenge. 2020 01:37:34.779 --> 01:37:40.319 He talks softly. It's not his primary language. It's endearing, 2021 01:37:40.420 --> 01:37:43.739 but a little... I don't know. I'd give it a 2022 01:37:43.819 --> 01:37:44.340 C for him. 2023 01:37:46.779 --> 01:37:51.199 They've got the Winner's Coming show. That's probably a destination 2024 01:37:51.220 --> 01:37:52.140 for him to cash it in. 2025 01:37:54.520 --> 01:37:54.720 Why? 2026 01:37:55.579 --> 01:37:57.560 I thought

they.... 2027 01:37:58.380 --> 01:38:00.819 Didn't they say one of the shows was going to be... 2028 01:38:02.079 --> 01:38:04.180 in mexico or something like that it just kind. 2029 01:38:04.020 --> 01:38:08.000 Of oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah all right 2030 01:38:08.020 --> 01:38:12.550 cool um the uh ducky says what's the email uh 2031 01:38:12.659 --> 01:38:16.409 keller wade at gmail.com keller wade at gmail.com just best 2032 01:38:16.569 --> 01:38:18.689 best way to reach me just for general stuff um 2033 01:38:18.750 --> 01:38:20.630 wade keller post show at gmail.com if you want to 2034 01:38:20.890 --> 01:38:23.489 email about the show uh but yeah ducky send me 2035 01:38:23.529 --> 01:38:26.970 some uh send me some uh cool kirk cousins stuff 2036 01:38:26.989 --> 01:38:29.109 from online that'll be fun all right well i think 2037 01:38:29.130 --> 01:38:30.840 we're good brian i else you want to sneak in 2038 01:38:30.859 --> 01:38:31.539 before we sign off here? 2039 01:38:32.220 --> 01:38:37.369 What did you think of Mercedes rocking the Bulls attire 2040 01:38:37.510 --> 01:38:39.949 in Utah? I was like, oh, that's actually neat. 2041 01:38:39.989 --> 01:38:40.569 That was good. 2042 01:38:40.609 --> 01:38:41.010 That was good. 2043 01:38:41.029 --> 01:38:42.649 Nope. that was after the two hour mark and that's 2044 01:38:42.670 --> 01:38:43.930 when i was setting up the podcast so i didn't 2045 01:38:44.010 --> 01:38:46.189 i kind of had okay i saw her interest but 2046 01:38:46.210 --> 01:38:47.789 i wasn't paying close attention yeah. 2047 01:38:47.590 --> 01:38:50.630 No she uh she's obviously had that outfit for a 2048 01:38:50.630 --> 01:38:55.050 while and i admire wrestlers for being practical because why 2049 01:38:55.090 --> 01:38:58.090 not use an outfit why just use it one time 2050 01:38:58.130 --> 01:38:59.670 and never see it again but yeah just the fact 2051 01:38:59.689 --> 01:39:02.449 that she was wearing the bulls gear in utah i 2052 01:39:02.449 --> 01:39:03.869 was like oh that's good heat i like that a 2053 01:39:03.890 --> 01:39:08.250 lot yes um yes um I, I, I didn't see 2054 01:39:08.270 --> 01:39:09.810 the finish. I'll have to go back and watch collision, 2055 01:39:09.850 --> 01:39:12.750 but I, I hopefully that was good. That looked promising. 2056 01:39:13.350 --> 01:39:14.350 The mixed tag match. 2057 01:39:15.069 --> 01:39:15.729 Yes. Yep. 2058 01:39:15.930 --> 01:39:16.029 Yeah. 2059 01:39:16.050 --> 01:39:21.659 And Rainer Shapiro's already to, uh, to, to go to war, uh, with, with, uh, 2060 01:39:22.000 --> 01:39:22.579 was it Jay White? 2061 01:39:23.619 --> 01:39:24.039 Uh, yeah. 2062 01:39:24.220 --> 01:39:24.420 Yeah. 2063 01:39:24.720 --> 01:39:27.680 And, uh, and then he backed away, um, tagged out. 2064 01:39:27.779 --> 01:39:30.420 So anyway, yeah, I look forward to that. All right, cool. Um, 2065 01:39:30.439 --> 01:39:32.800 check out Joshua White's coverage of, uh, collision. 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