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[SPEAKER_02]: Friendship is magic, and apparently so is attempted homicide.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, this is Tegirl's One Blot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, I'm your co-host Nikki, and this is my wonderful co-host, Senya.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For those of you who don't know, this is a Harry Potter reread podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're looking at this for some reason being like, hmm, thinking about reading Harry Potter, don't listen to a reread podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, spoilers go lower.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing that we're like, oh, we're not going to discuss that because it's, you know, it's just spoilers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, we're discussing stuff from like this sixth book and we are in the chapter 10 today of the first book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah,
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like, we are reminded right now about, yeah, there's Canada is re-releasing, not re-releasing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Canada, there's going to be another cinema run of all the movies again, because of the 25th anniversary.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like, this is happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're like, um, think about reading Harry Potter, turn off this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Find another one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, Zenia, what have you been reading lately?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have finished.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The second book of the Shadow and Bone trilogy, Seagin Storm, by Lee Burdugo.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So a couple of days ago, while I was in the process of reading this book, I have stumbled upon a TikTok where a girly pop from Oxet that this is the worst book that Burdugo has ever put out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I actually disagree with that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is, this is a really bad comparison.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not comparing the Li-Werdogo, Shadow and Bone trilogy to Lord of the Rings in any shape or form.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, it's slight shape or form, but we acknowledge that they're on two vastly different levels of quality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is like, yeah, it's like a comparing goats to apples.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but I feel like you will not like this second book, Seasons Storm, if you don't like the two towers, so Seasons Storm is much more of like inner turmoil, much more of a setup for the third book, so it's a lot of palace intrigues, a lot more of, you know, court.
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[SPEAKER_02]: stuff, things going behind the scene and actually actually there are two instances of plot twists that actually caught me by surprise.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of them, it was out there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just didn't catch it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The other one was just pulled out of the ass.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is why it surprised me because it was, it was no setup.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was no setup for that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the first one, like I just, I personally, I didn't see it and I was
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ms. Bridugo does not really know how to set up a mystery.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I like the second book more than the first book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am about to read the third one, because I still want to know the finale of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to know what everything ends up with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what have you been reading lately?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been reading Dungeon Crawled Carls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dungeon Crawler Carls, still.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty good, I don't know, like there's nothing in it where I'm like this will change my perception on things, but I was pretty impressed because it's like a book's out and the one I'm reading right now is the first one and I need to check to see when this was published because like it's very much there's a scene that riffs off of like the manos fear influences like Andrew Tate with young boys sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ooh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'm like, you know, Red Bill content has been around for ages two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is, but it was like, I want to say like the mainstream didn't start talking about it until like post pandemic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I can see that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I don't know if this guy's just really tuned into the internet or maybe he writes especially fast and like eight books have come in six years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, to read Death Note and I'm like, oh, I get it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Boy is the most smart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He can set up intricate ways to figure out things because he's the best exam taker in Japan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, and the connection I would have never thought about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'm just like, maybe it's because I don't come from such an exam heavy culture, but like, okay, I guess like you're really good at taking a test.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that doesn't mean you'd be good under pressure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's like, that doesn't mean you're smart in any way, shape or form, actually.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That for me'd be like retaining information that is relevant to the test.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like, I've committed to finishing this book because it is a manga, so like, it's pictures, you know, it'd be different if it was taxed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be an aff if it was taxed, but I'm like, you know what I'll finish the first book and see if there's something here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, see how that goes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But today, in our podcast, we are reading Chapter 10, Halloween.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is Halloween.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is Halloween.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So would you like a brief synopsis of this chapter?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Please give us a brief synopsis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's only really four things that happen in this chapter, the first.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But oh, how do they happen?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The first is Harry gets his broom and the male, despite the fact that McGonagal seemed to get to it first and had written a note, but we'll get back to that anyway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He got his broom in the male.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's told not to open it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Malfoy is like, hmm, shouldn't have a broom, Potter, and then a teacher is like, oh, yes, special circumstances, and Malfoy is a bit nifty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have sympathy for him in this moment, and we'll go over the rules of Quidditch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We get to spend more time with Oliver Wood, who's great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great character.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We go to Charms class where the very famous Wingardium Leviosa.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wingardium Leviosa.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Scene happens and the very infamous scene of Ron Badmouthing Hermione and her hearing about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: then they're going through the rest of their day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't see her money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're having dinner and then quarrel runs into the great hall and goes, there's a troll in the dungeon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thought you'd have no?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then they're about to all go back to their dormitory and then Harry's like, wait a second.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas her money, she doesn't know this and runs like...
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we got to find her money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they go and try and find her money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in trying to find her money, they lock the troll on the bathroom with her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, classic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, credit to these 11 year old boys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they immediately go in once they figure that out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then they fight a troll and succeed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: wild and they are found by teachers who are vaguely upset but also happy they're not dead and then they all go back to their dormitory and now remind me Ron and Harry are friends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Friendship is magic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's this chapter, like 11 pages, 12 pages.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not too long, but again, a lot of things happen in here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: More description of how things happen, actually.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So kind of a packed episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to start with the thing that I think is most important, which is Halloween, not a big holiday in Europe as it is in North America, amongst muggles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We presume this is a magic version of Halloween.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I guess it would be if...
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[SPEAKER_01]: like an all hollows.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so the situation we take into consideration that a lot of magic that Rowling you're describing is, well, the big part of it is coming from Celtic folklore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Anne is a big thing in Celtic folklore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so Anne is a pre- Halloween Halloween pre- Halloween
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the only, I think, hand wave that JK Rowling does to the modern day, perception of Halloween is set on Halloween, the smell of pumpkins baking is in the air at Hogwarts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So pumpkin pie?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So fun fact.
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[SPEAKER_02]: long ago back in, I want to say like 2015 or 16.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is when I first went to Starbucks back in Russia.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it hasn't been in Russia for a very long time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yes, I discovered a Starbucks for myself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And with Starbucks, I discovered pumpkin spice latte.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And as for any white girl,
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[SPEAKER_02]: it becomes a part of your personality.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It becomes a part of your culture.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pumpkin spice, latte.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it is a seasonal drink, so it is very short lived.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter where you are, it is a seasonal drink.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I decided to try and make a pumpkin spice party.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like a regular pie?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pumpkin pie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like your regular pie, a pumpkin pie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you can't imagine how hard it was back in 2015 or 16 to make a pumpkin pie in Russia, just because we don't really have like pumpkins galore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't have the pumpkin spice brim mix, so I had to find like each and every spice and make my own pumpkin spice mix.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: For the pumpkins, yes, I steamed a pumpkin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because we don't have any pureed pumpkin in cans, except for like baby food.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, that's good, because I found out lots of the pureed pumpkins here, like half squash.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, ew, and not pumpkin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the pumpkin is a squash, I get it, but like, you know, other types of squash, so now I steam my own pumpkin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like, I generally don't like squash, and you know that, and the only way I can consume pumpkin is in pumpkin pie or in the form of pumpkin spice latte.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah, I had my own adventure of trying to make a pumpkin pie and I succeeded and also I succeeded and because because it was a huge pumpkin, I had to buy a whole pumpkin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I also made a pumpkin cheesecake and I was also pretty good with the same spice mix.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nice, nice, nice, nice, nice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, both Halloween and pumpkin is not a big thing in Russia.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Halloween is almost like a Valentine's Day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a Western thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Western thing, you can find some niche events that kind of celebrate it, but it's not like it's not widely celebrated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is interesting that Halloween is so because I am North American, I was like, yeah, of course, there's a Halloween chapter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder though what it's like for a European reading this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not you, sorry, like a you European, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, from the European, from the, from the, from the correct Europe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, from the developed Europe, you know, from the rich Europe and the rich here, the one that's on fire right now, the one on fire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's correct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the one not at war with Ukraine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that'd be interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Consciousness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you were European or are European and read this book as a kid and saw the Halloween chapter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me know how you thought what you thought about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What was there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, Czech Republic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Czech Republic, we miss you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where are you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Harry gets his, oh, it's sorry, a little thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just like done in like a few lines.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that I love how this begins with, by next morning, Harry and Ron thought that meeting, the three-headed dog had been an excellent adventure, and they were quite keen to have another one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I love that too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love how in the Russian version, and it's actually translated, they were doing it again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I feel like there is a little bit of a different implication, just like here, they're like, oh, another adventure is due.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In the Russian version, it's like, oh, let's go see Fluffy once again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think that they would want to see Fluffy once again, but eventually they will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Harry gives Ron the low down, all the information about the package and the green gots, vault.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We learned that Hermione and Neville want nothing to do with this, and credit to them, because that is the responsible way at first.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not great if you're a kid like Harry Potter, who's industrious in trying to save the world, but in a real-life situation, great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: this is not real life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hermione was now refusing to speak to Harry and Ron, but she was such a bossy note all that they saw.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is an added bonus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this line here is a continuation of what we were talking about last chapter with like JK Rowling setting up since it's Ron and Hermione being not sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: JK Rowling setting up Harry and Ron being more
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to know that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So as Harry and Ron are talking about the mysterious object that apparently, as they figured out when from the vault in Green Gods to underneath the trapdoor under Fluffy's boss at Hogwarts, they could only figure out that this was a two inches long object.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do they use inches in Britain?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was thinking about this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We chatted about it before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the 60s Britain did the switch over.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: JK Rowling was like in her late 20s, early 30s when she was writing this book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this was in 1997.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So she would have been born in the 60s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why I'm doing this math.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We could just check when she was born.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, so I think maybe her parents used the imperial system probably.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because they were older and had grown up with that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this was interesting because in Russian version of course it's sent to meters because we don't understand inches and Russia, obviously also another point against Miss Perdugo is this is something I'm noticed just finishing the book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that despite heavily borrowing from Russian entourage and slavic cultures, the system of measurements she use is an imperial.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For context readers, misproducer or whatever is the author of the other books.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, the shadow on bone and it's just kind of like it jumped
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[SPEAKER_02]: out of the page on, like, right at me, it was like, oh, something like two feet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, but isn't the author British?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What feet?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She, she's from America.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, never mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's America.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just like, yeah, if this universe is like based on 19th century, Russia, Imperial Russia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't use centimeters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Harry gets his broom, so a large parcel is dropped in front of Harry by an owl, not had wig.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a letter which he reads first, and it's from McGonagall saying, don't open the parcel at the table.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It contains your new Nimbus 2000, but I don't want everyone knowing you've got a broomstick or the all-want one, and then that he's going to meet Oliver Wood tonight to learn about Quidditch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So a couple things here, one,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who paid for this broom?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it mechanical?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it the school?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about this last chapter of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like, okay, where is this money coming from?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, how expensive is an industry?
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[SPEAKER_02]: A bit later in the chapter during the scruffuffle between Ron and Malfoy and Harry, they're discussing which broomstick is better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and how Ron's family probably could not afford half a, half a handle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think people tried to calculate the cost of the firebolt, and it was like in the hundreds of galleons, but we know nothing about the like median cost of a broomstick, like at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there was something else that's like, so Professor McGonagall clearly got the broomstick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We know that at least.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She could have just given it to him or have someone else give it to him separate or delivered it to his bedroom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, with the house else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, she didn't have to do this whole thing at breakfast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, why would she do that if she's worried he'll open the parcel at the table?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where everyone can see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In that case, like the do not open and the table should be right on the package.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't really understand the logic here besides the fact that it sets up, mouthway noticing that it's a broom being mean, presuming that Harry's going to get it like expelled because of this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then getting his come up in because we find out that all the teachers know that it's a special exception for Harry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's preferential treatment, yeah, yeah, and I love how Harry's really not wrong in saying that it's thanks to mouth for he has this broomstick and I feel so weird because as we're going to see in the latest in the later books
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Voldemort really is his own worst enemy and here Drake is also his own worst enemy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just making things worse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, if not worse for himself, it's just the effect him more and more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was thinking about this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like I'm not pro Drake goes behavior in any time in the spoke.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he really needs to be disciplined by anybody humbled not humbled.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he needs to be disciplined by a teacher.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't think this should be school yard justice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I can understand being frustrated that you've been told very clearly there's rules.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is understandable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then to learn that the rules don't apply to one person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is totally understandable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The same frustration that Harry has with how horrible a teacher Snape is because he only prefers certain people and his rude to everybody else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not rude, he bullies pretty much everybody else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so I can understand Malfoy's frustration here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you didn't understand that you've made Harry even more special, you've made him even more powerful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My power only increases.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then her money comes in and she's also upset.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like so I suppose you think that's a reward for breaking rules.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like this is a great line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it brings up, I think that as a kid, you maybe don't see the injustice in Harry getting special treatments until Hermione says that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Though I will say given Hermione's slight character change in this chapter, especially at the end, I think that that kind of all disappears.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She becomes quite a rulebreaker herself, especially over the next seven books.
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[SPEAKER_02]: over the next all of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then yeah, so we have a brief conversation with Malphoy where they're talking about like the different value of broomsticks and we learn that Malphoy maybe has a comet 260 and that it's maybe a luxury broom but it doesn't have the same ability as animbus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We learn that Ron is very poor again, which like
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[SPEAKER_01]: We already know what's new.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and like so this is a thing that I've been thinking of is like Is a broomstick an enchanted item or is there some inherent magic to it like a wand, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so people have been arguing whether it is an enchanted item or whether it has something like a core to it wand because both ones and broomsticks they kind of behave like they have their own sentience almost
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it all comes down to basically being an enchanted object rather than something with a core.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, I can understand that especially like as a product to be, oh, I don't know, once I sold as a product.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I will never know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: JK Rowling has chosen not to elaborate more on this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but also once they're like, they're more one of the kind.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You really are only supposed to ever have one and the fact that some wizards have more than one is more of a, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: exception to the rule, I guess, because, well, you're supposed to have a replacement if you want, is it broken beyond repair.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just wonder, because there's only so many combinations, you can have of a core and a wood and a length.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How hard it is to duplicate a one that you had before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, maybe they're really, maybe something about the wood in the length and the core together create like a new magical thing, you know, like a magic light.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the point is if like if I had an 11 inch holly wand with a Phoenix feather, I can go and order another 11 inch long holly wood wand with a Phoenix feather.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess what I'm trying to say is like, all human beings are the same material.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what I guess?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, oral flesh blood and bone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, but we're all unique.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so I think ones are similar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're like the material.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, maybe some people have different colored hair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe some of the some people have chronic disease, you know, but like we're all generally the same.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe some people have crippling depression.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, who knows?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know any of those people, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, those are hypothetical people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hypothetical people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hypothetical people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No one who lives in the subs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the boys do something really cute where they just like take it out of its wrapping in the dorm room and just look at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do that as an adult now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, you get like something you really, really want.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if there's like a factory film on it that you just, you don't remove maybe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, if there's like a golden gravy in there on it, and there is one, it could be like a film on top of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's enchanted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you, it just stays clean.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, do we ever see them polishing their rooms?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, okay, is in the third book Hermione gives Harry a broomstick care kit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, with the polish and like a special special scissors and all that to trim the twigs and all that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I take it back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why we have one expert sentia and one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've read the books.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and physias enthusiast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then Harry goes to learn Pitted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Learn Quidditch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He just I saw the word pitch and I saw the word Quidditch and I like to gather Pidditch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, Harry goes to learn Quidditch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He comes to the pitch a little bit earlier and decides to give it a go on his new broomstick and it feels wonderful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He seems to very much like it, and would is very happy that he's been flying, because he's like, oh, you're a natural, you're going to be great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I'm going to quickly go over the rules of Quidditch and like the stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's four balls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is the quaffle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the one that, this is the quaffle, the bludgers and the snitch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The quaffle is thrown by the three chasers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the bludgers are hit by the two beers, and the snitch is found by the seeker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's a keeper who guards the goalposts to keep the quarrel out because the quarrel goes through the goalposts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The ledgers are hit by the beaters to hit other enemy team people to get them off their broom and the snitches sought.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's only one and it is sought by the two seekers in a competition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think so I actually like the game with one exception.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My exception is the 150 points for winning the snitch is ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You think so because like then you can never what's the point of the chasers like it's only in close games that the chasers would absolutely have a role and all the games do end I mean there is that one line about how there's one game that went on for three months, but besides that we never see a game go longer than like an afternoon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, does that speak to the abilities of the seekers or not?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's, so this is my thought.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that JK Rowling was trying to show how good of a secretary is by having a piece of something that's hard to find that people sometimes don't find for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Harry would find it, you know, every time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I just don't think she kept that consistently because she only mentions off page when Quidditch matches go a long time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like in the world cup in the fourth book, we're told that it could go on for weeks, but it doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's one night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: coincidentally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then also at Hogwarts, we never hear of a game going on longer than like one day, one afternoon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think the whole difference in points would make sense if the game actually did go on for weeks at the end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, if it goes on for like weeks or even months, because then the amount of points that the chases would get would make sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the game only ends
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[SPEAKER_01]: playing day and day out, their amount of points would be significant, but because all of the games that we see end really quickly, whoever gets the snitch is pretty much the winner.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pretty much except for the World Cup.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Except for the World Cup, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I, like, I generally like Quidditch, I think it's clever to give the Wizarding World its own sport.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it is clever to make Harry part of that because it gives him something that he's good at, you know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But also, it is not necessarily like plot relevant, that much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it only become, well, I think we've talked about this in previous episodes, but like the only time we see a Quidditch game is when it's relevant to the overall plot of the book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like a lot of Quidditch games have paid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, I think what she means is that this game is driving the plot, but it's not really affecting the overall, like, the biggest events of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just like a arena for the plot to explain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I will also say as well that there's lots of games at Hogwarts that happen off-page, but we don't hear about them going for weeks at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and if they did, that would be something we would hear about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because like, players might have to be out of school and also in this chapter they mentioned that they have to bring in a bunch of subs for that game that lasted three months.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like, there's no- They don't have any subs for school teams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no subs in Quidditch at Hogwarts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, well, apparently there are because, well, are they technically subs because when Harry got banned from Quidditch, they brought in Ginny and to other people for beaters?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they were, I think they did try out through something like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess they were not really subs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like Ginny wasn't part of the team before that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what actually I wanted to bring up is, well, first of all, who would address is my favorite characters in the whole franchise as a pair of human bludgers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it is very accurate, I think, I think, and it is very funny for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the whole thing with the snitch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you know anything about the snitch?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a snitch that Harry gets later in the seventh book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, the snitch in general, as a ball in the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's golden and it flies.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so there is an origin story to the snitch, which you can find out if you read both Fantastic Beasts, not the movie screen play, but the Fantastic Beasts
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[SPEAKER_01]: another book she put out for charity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you read both of those, you will find out a very interesting history.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So first of all, it explains the origins of Quidditch from the Quidditch Swamps.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is like people were playing this game there and there was a witch that saw it and whatnot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is how it happened.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Snitch is called Snitch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: After their original thing, the players used to play the game of Quidditch, which is a fantastic beast, a magical bird, which is called the Golden Sniget, and it's pure animal cruelty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, that is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so at some point they decided, at some point, Snigets went almost to stay to actually get one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder why.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder why, so they decided to make a golden ball to, yeah, to sub for a golden Sniget bird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the technically it's kind of the properties are the same.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's very, very fast, it's round in yellow and golden.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, hard to catch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We appreciate less animal cruelty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a line here that like, seekers get fouled because to catch the snitch means to like end the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like we don't see a lot of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not too much, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, when it's done by Dobby via magic, we see that, and we see when the dementers do it, but they're not part of the game, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: There are a few times, but they're specifically slithering matches, because slithering is bad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, because they're bad, of course they're going to foul everyone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're kind of like Argentina.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Quidditch has explained, I like Quidditch generally, I think I'd either change the rules or include that it goes on for weeks at a time to make it make a bit more sense, but yeah, not generally like Quidditch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Harry is very good at it, wood is very happy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have another Charlie Weasley line, I like how she's setting him up because it goes, I wouldn't be surprised if you turn up better than Charlie Weasley, and he could have played for England if he hadn't gone off chasing dragons.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, dude went to chase his dream and I just I left a note here myself and like a legendary legendary Charlie Weasley again, this is the prime Weasley Jean Paul
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[SPEAKER_02]: athletes, entrepreneurs, heroes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So something that is interesting here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we have Charlie Weasley and he could have played for England.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we know that in the Wizarding System, the sports teams are set up according to the different quote unquote countries within the United Kingdom.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, when you do that because the Quish World Cup Ireland is playing, not the UK is playing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, but Ireland is its own country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But UK is also not England.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, but so what I'm trying to bring up is that apparently,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wizarding sports teams follow what United Kingdom has decided to do where they divvy up their sports team by the different like quote countries on quote countries within the United Kingdom which is interesting to you think that given that the Wizarding society separated from muggle society in the 1600s that they would not do that that they would have some sort of holdover.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think this is just J.K. Rowling's not great at world buildings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She just took what happened in the real world, in real world, in the world, and applied it to visiting world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to explain to our listeners why I'm saying quote, country unquote.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like I understand that in the UK, this is like a contentious thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm going to be real blunt here within like every other country when you have something that doesn't have its own passport, but has a certain level of autonomous government within the country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's generally a form of like a province or a state or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it doesn't have its own federal system and like is completely independent from the other parts of the country, it's not like it's not its own country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know they use that word there, but it's essentially acts as a province or a state within the United Kingdom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's like a little different from Northern Ireland, but like I'm not going to
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[SPEAKER_01]: like, I don't know, some like British podcasts, so I listen to they go and like, oh, well, you know, Wales is some country.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get this is probably important for you, but like, I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think that at some point there was like a Yugoslavia inquitaged him?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like there would no, because they separated from Muggles society like forever ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're probably still the Austro-Hungarian Empire, but no, but no, I don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't this probably still a Prussian quitch team, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't think that this actually works that way because no, because she came rallying didn't think this through.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but we see the interaction between the magical and wizarding world in terms of like the prime ministers interacting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So well, apparently if that works, then the wizarding society has to apply the the model country notions to their society.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How so they just let him know that like, hey, some people might be dying because we're fighting a war anyway, see yeah, like he's not involved in any decision making, so they just let him know by the way, yeah, just like by the way, security thing anyway, here you go by the way, we have a a very dangerous wizard on the loose and just tell everybody has a gun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't think that the Muggle Prime Minister has any input into the wizarding world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they would ever allow that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It would have been a better story to be honest if part of part of Voldemort's like popularity was a backlash against Muggle's having role in wizarding governments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That would have been interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ooh, that's actually an interesting, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That would be an interesting point to see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think we're not thinking about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the case here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, and then we go to the next bit of the section, which is the when Guardian Leviosa.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And here we have another instance of animal cruelty from not other than Professor Flittwick, who made Port Trevor around the room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we learned about this because Harry's going like, oh my god, I love it here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is more home than private drive could ever be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And his lessons are getting more interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just recently Professor Flittwick was like, yeah, you can learn how to make things fly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he gave an example by eating Trevor around the room.
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[UNKNOWN]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which could be done pretty well without a wand?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Any humuggle can eat a frog.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They just the frog will probably not be alive afterwards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the only difference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Professor Flittwick puts the class into Paris to practice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's like two lines after this, which make me wonder how Professor Flittwick put them into Paris, because Harry's partner was famous Finnegan and then in brackets, which was a relief because Neville
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[SPEAKER_01]: So our partners assigned, or did they get to choose?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because why would you try to catch somebody's eye if partners are assigned?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how this works.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like when you're put into partners in a classroom and the teacher goes like, oh, okay, get into pairs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You try to make eye contact with the people you want.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it appears that nobody got a choice because Ron was working with Hermione and Hermione doesn't want to work with Ron either and they both don't want to work with each other equally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the only reason I can think that this line was put in is because it's a little thing about how Neville's not that good at magic again, which has been a common thing that happens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, G.K. has to remind us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also that it's set up this way just because Ron and Hermione have to be together for the troll thing to happen later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Anna, it's just something I see in a lot of writing and even really good authors still do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'm not being too critical about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, they have an idea of where the chapter wants to go and you can see that because some of the ways that they get there don't exactly make too much sense when you look at it closely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but they're like, yeah, but we're going somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, so my big example is, do you remember the red wedding in a song of ice and fire?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course not the TV show in a song of ice and fire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's certain things that have to happen for that to happen, which are so happenstants and so coincidental.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And certain people are not punished even though they really should have been punished by the lannisters that you can tell that George Martin wants to get to
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's even admitted he knew when he started Rob Zark that they would end in the red wedding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's certain moments where it doesn't exactly make sense why things are going a way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It kind of makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you look at it too closely, you're like, that's too coincidental when you're writing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's important to make things not coincidental.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I feel like when you have such a rigid plan for yourself, it's really easy to write yourself into a corner.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a great mark between line where it's like, oh gosh, I can't remember it exactly, but it's like real life is much more surprising than writing because in writing things have to make sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when you are writing a story, you can't rely to heavily on, well, you know, coincidence happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or this may have happened or that sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Readers expect a certain amount of okay A plus B equals C.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't have to be rigid with that to the point where it's overly written, but it's not great writing to have an end goal and then to mess up getting there by being like, uh, coincidence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, don't look over there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's only a minor plot hole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't think about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even if that had to see, yeah, even if the end goal is super cool, I would just say to all aspiring writers out there, it's better to overthink in the beginning and figure it out
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's special.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a reference to the books and you was reading.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a reference to any books that anybody has ever written.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And also, there's a hat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, they're wearing their hats.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I didn't notice that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Harry puts out the Sheamus's fire with his hat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they are wearing their hats.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we found another instance of a hat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so the hats do have some purpose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's like a slavery and ancient Greece.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was so commonplace that it's not even mentioned in the text.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, guys, I didn't want to darken that with that comparison.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just the first one that came to mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It should have seemed my face now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's an audio medium, sent you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, when Guardian Levyosa, he shouted waving his long arms like a Whitmill, you're saying it wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Harry heard Hermione snap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's when Guardian Levyosa make the guard nice and long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: which is different than the film.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the film's version is the one that people think of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's leveeousa, not leveeousa, and I like this version better because it's much easier to pronounce a hard consonant sound, like longer, guard than it is a certain vowel sound slightly different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it emphasizes how her mind is not actually being that much of a note all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is pretty obvious, probably.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Harry and Shamus couldn't do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'm over thinking about this, but I like this version better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hermione does it and this makes Ron very upset and he has the infamous line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's no wonder no one can stand her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He sit to Harry as they push their way into the crowded corridor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's a nightmare, honestly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Hermione hears, and Harry goes, I think she heard you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So said Ron, but he looked a bit uncomfortable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She must have noticed she's got no friends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wrote one word in here like, oh, yeah, it is really an oof.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is an oof.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, he's not wrong, but also, you don't have to be like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to be like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, like, this is, this is I'm called for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially after you've just been caught saying it in front of somebody and like he does look a bit uncomfortable and he is 11, so I'm not going to be doubled down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but he does redeem himself later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we find out Hermione is crying in the girls toilets, not having a good time and she even skips glass.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which is almost pretty much unheard of.
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[SPEAKER_02]: they're distracted briefly by the decorations, which are live bats and I wrote on and my nose that life is, this is flying, rabius into school.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, they're probably like in
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[SPEAKER_01]: Radius is a real thing, yeah, despite what the office would have you think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We also learned that of Halloween.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a special feast, and that's how wizard celebrate Halloween.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll learn a bit by bit more about wizarding Halloween, but so far we've learned
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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of like old versions of Halloween in mind but also with some modern ideas of bats being everywhere in pumpkins.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then we have the other iconic line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Professor Coral is sprinting into the hall, his turbinous skew and terror on his face.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone stared as he reached Professor Dumbledore's chair, slumting against the table and grass, trolling the dungeons, thought you
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[SPEAKER_02]: So my question is, how is skew is his turban?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I also wonder that apparently not enough for anyone to notice the face on the back of his head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: would have been hilarious, but I do really like this scene in the movie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's better when he's yelling trolling the girl in the dungeon, like running across the the hall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So everyone starts freaking out, Professor Dumbledore calms everybody down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like prefix, bring the houses back to the door twice immediately.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Percy is like in his own Percy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a moment where like, I'm not always the kind, just to Percy, but like, there's maybe because I'm a bit too much like him, but there is value in having well-organized people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I'm the prefect.
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[SPEAKER_02]: First years of coming through, get the hell out of the way, but also, there is a difference between how Professor Dumbledore comes everyone down in the movie and in here and in the book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, there is apparently
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[SPEAKER_02]: purple firecrackers that he summons with his wand in the book, but in the movie just yells really loudly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like the movie version of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just yelled really loudly as someone who is yelled very loudly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Someone who's been yelled at very loudly, I do not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the Harry and Ron are like, how could it troll get in and Ron's like, I don't know, and there's supposed to be really stupid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's maybe let it in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Harry remembers Hermione and I really like this interaction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So as they jostled their way through a crowd of confused Hufflepuffs, Harry suddenly grabbed Ron's arm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've just thought, Hermione, what about her?
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[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't know about the troll.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ron did his lip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He snapped, but Percy better not see us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so what I appreciate and we've talked about this before in our sorting hat chapter where like, what is a griffin door?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Harry and Ron here are showing the type of dumb bravery that is, I like, I think it's dumb, but I like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't even have to communicate really about what's happening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What they want to do, what they're going to do, I also really appreciate that Ron has half a second of a doubt before he's like, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he may not like Hermione, but he definitely does not want her dead.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it shows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, well, we're going to go us first years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Clearly, we are the experts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so then they go and they don't want to get caught by Percy, which I understand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then they see snake.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's crossing the corridor and disappearing from view.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, I wonder why he's here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they realize he's heading for the third floor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then
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[SPEAKER_01]: you so I do appreciate because we now know having re-read the book series what have you been doing for the past twenty nine years i want to say maybe i've been thirty soon no yet twenty nine years quarrel is the expert of trolls
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Snape immediately clocks that it doesn't make sense that Coral, who is generally terrified, is terrified of trolls and couldn't deal with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And immediately thinks something's up, I'm going to go to the third floor corridor where we know the philosopher's stone is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Snape immediately clocking somethings up, good on Snape, and it's a very good mystery writing tool because immediately associates Snape in a moment of fear going somewhere else, which makes somewhere that the boys know that the special item is at, and it sets Snape up again to be a red herring, red herring villain, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually really like the trolls description of just being horrible, being gray like a rock, being short legs with flat, horny feet, just horrible smell with a huge wooden club.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a, there's been a move in the past few decades of being like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: The villain, as you've never seen them before, like, given them nuance or things like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is just like, nah, it's a troll.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's dumb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a troll.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a troll.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some things are just what they are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like it doesn't have to be deep, you know, it's not that deep, bro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that deep, bro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they see the troll and it's not in the dungeon anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, another piece to our red herring pie because why would quarrel say it's in the dungeon when it's clearly not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Something that if you're an eagle-eyed reader, you first see Snape, but then if you're looking even deeper, you see Coral, giving a little bit of a mist direct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the troll goes into a room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Harry sees there's a key in the lock and that they could lock him in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They do that, but apparently it's the bathroom that Hermione's in and I have to wonder, why is there a key in the outside of a bathroom?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly!
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is so creepy!
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is and the only reason I can think of is so that Harry and Ron have this moment where they realize that they have to go in even though they've locked the troll in the room to save Hermione.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like the only reason why there's a key.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't make sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We never see it like a key just being in a lock.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they go in and they have this great line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the last thing they wanted to do, but what choice did they have?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for real, yeah, like I know, I don't think this is even meant in like the saving Hermione sort of thing like who wants to go up against a troll, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Hermione is almost going to be attacked by the troll and they immediately start fighting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to confuse it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to throw things out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't seem to work very much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the sound seems to work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The sound sounds distract him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we had the line, Harry then did something that was both very brave and very stupid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He took a great running leap and managed to fasten his armor on the troll's neck from behind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he shoves his wand up its nose.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, oh, that's one way to use the wand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The troll is 12 feet tall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Harry is 11 feet tall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, he's 11 years old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, tall 11 year old is I don't know feet that they're not very.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So 12 feet is like trying to two early in Holland's yes, two early in Holland's like it's very tall okay and Harry is not he's 11 he is very much slight he's not described as tall by anybody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ron is the tall one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay
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[SPEAKER_01]: So how does Harry with a running jump get to 12 feet up in the air around the neck of a troll?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea, but the troll must be bending over for something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I think this is again where like the author had an idea that it's going to be the wand up the nose and then Ron's going to use the spell, the one that he and her money kind of had a falling out over to then knock out the troll.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so like I think she had that in mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then everything else just had to kind of fit to make that happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've already told our gentle listeners
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm learning so much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: People, you have no idea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Ben Ron uses Wingardium Levyosa and it grabs the trolls club and it then rose high and drops on his head and then the troll is knocked out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then there's troll bogeys on it, eel, and now we've learned that bogey in Harry Potter World does mean boogers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then Professor McGonagall, Professor Snake, and Professor Quirl suddenly burst in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Quirl pulls his classic, oh, I'm so afraid of everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But why are they all here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Coral seems to have recovered from fainting pretty quickly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know why Snape's there because he was just nearby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But why is McGonagall there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Apparently, heard the noise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, McGongall is very upset, you're lucky, you weren't killed, blah, blah, blah, why aren't you in your dormitory, and then Hermione is a real one, because she says, she tells a lie to a teacher, something we never would have expected from Hermione to save from punishment, the boys who have just saved her life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She takes the one for the team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She takes one for the team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's the sort of way we're like, when the teachers, golden child's admits to doing something wrong, the teacher can't punish them in the same way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're like, oh my God, not you!
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in like a thing that makes me like wow point inflation really becomes a thing in this book Professor McGonagall only takes five points away from her mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's insane for her mindy claiming that she because she read about troll so much she was ready to deal with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then gives Ron and her Ron and Harry each five points.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Ron very accurately says.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We should have gotten more than 10 points.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Five if you count the five points that you took off for Miami.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the movie does this better where Professor McGonagall says 10 points for sheer dumb luck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where is the lie?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a lie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where is the lie?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then we have a really sweet moment where, you know, good on her to get us at a trouble like that, Ron admitted, mind you, we did save her, he's talking about her mind here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Harry says she might not have needed saving if we hadn't locked the thing in with her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And not wrong, not wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where's the light?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they all meet up in the common room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they all say thanks to each other, which is just this kind of acknowledgement that like no one here was in the right and the wrong, that sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They all did the best.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They all did the right thing in the end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hermione saved them from punishment and they saved Hermione's life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I absolutely love how, from that moment on, Hermione going to became their friend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There are some things you can't share without any up liking each other and knocking out a 12 foot mount and troll is one of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Agreed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing better than shared trauma.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to go back briefly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we have Snape and Coral both there suddenly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that we know from later in the book that Coral's plan was to distract everybody by the troll in the dungeon and then go get the stone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it makes sense that he's there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, it's for eagle-eyed readers that will see Snape there and think, oh, Snape's a villain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if they're looking, it makes sense later on that Coral's a villain because he was always here for this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And well, we always are presented with quail as such like a wallflower.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I keep on repeating this word.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But this is what J.K. is painting him as very skillfully to be honest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're just every interaction with him is him being nervous, him being I want to use the word weak, but in a way that like you don't hate somebody for you're just like kind of in the same way not threat not a threat in the same way never is here yeah yeah we're like oh you're not very good at what you do okay yeah just just kind of not a threat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that concludes the chapter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a very nerve-wracking one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Lots of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was an emotional roller coaster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I quite like this chapter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It, I think after this point, we kind of end the, oh, I'm at Hogwarts, and I'm new sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It very skillfully ends up by bringing up that Harry feels really at home here now, that magic is really taking off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have the introduction of Quiddage, which will be something that, you know, is a connection through most of the books with the exception of the seventh book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we have a really big introduction of the main plot, which is the philosopher's stone mystery with this troll.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we have everybody kind of on the same page, Hermione's now part of the team, which is very important because they're going to need a Hermione someone who is very smart and knows lots of things and likes light reading to have this all work out and I also appreciate like that there's a it's not a question of whether or not they can be friends with the girl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it ever is and I appreciate that because like none of their other friends are girls.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, but again, I feel like this, she's not really friends with other girls until Jenny.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jenny, but Jenny is what we figured out that with Jenny, it's more by proximity, but they also are kind of they're made more
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[SPEAKER_02]: deprived of other females company by their status.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is Hermione's super smart?
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's a prefect at that point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jenny is like super popular.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think also like with such small classes, you kind of make friends and stick with those friends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know there's lots of thoughts and video essays on whether or not JK Rowling is misogynist in her writing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's a lot of things in her writing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to have to read some of these and watch some of these and then apply them to the chapter before I can say myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this kind of follows a trend though of a group of boys with the one female friend in the group.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not uncommon for this period of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I just appreciate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it would have been nice to give Hermione or anyone else like another female friend, but you know what Hermione's part of the gang now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And can you really think of Harry and Ron without Hermione?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, not really.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They balance each other out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say fairly well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are like bread bread.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you going to build on this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are like bread peanut butter and jelly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're like a sandwich.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A PB&J.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, PB&J.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, pretty succinct chapter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't say we have like, so the beginning middle end is there with the exception of there's a extra part in the end of the beginning and the beginning of the middle where we just learned about quit it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but besides that we have a beginning middle end, we have a climax.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a resolution afterwards and the mystery is ongoing mystery is well written.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty solid chapter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, we've talked about it last time, but the fact that we're only at Halloween and we're halfway through the book means we're going to be skipping some stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we're going to be skipping a lot of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that quite a quidget, quidget.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of quidget.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy that the TV show will probably go into more detail because they have if we presume a 10 episode season, it's going to be like 10 hours of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm expecting eight or 10 episodes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think probably it's, I wouldn't get my hopes up for 10.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would expect eight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So are you basing that off of the House of the Dragon?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just I'm just basing that off of most of TV shows of most of HBO TV shows.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They are eight episodes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so part of why that changed is so Warner Brothers, which is a parent company of HBL has been having some significant financial troubles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they've had to shorten seasons in order to like, because HBL shows are expensive in general.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they've moved to a shorter season because just per episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you have your episodes, it's cheaper.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know if they're going to do that with Harry Potter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be interesting to see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I should probably look into this afterwards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if they've announced any like details, details regarding that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know we have like a general, a general time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to come out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we know that it's not going to be like a extended universe sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's which I'm happy about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know other people like them, but I did not actually appreciate the introduction of the Fantastic Beast films.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't like Harry Potter films are not about the world of Harry Potter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: particularly interesting because she came around and didn't write a great one, but it's interesting is Harry Potter and the fight against evil.
01:00:01.666 --> 01:00:03.206
[SPEAKER_02]: I can, yeah, I can cure.
01:00:03.927 --> 01:00:21.657
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like fantastic beast as a franchise that tried to reintroduce the concept of fighting evil, but with different tools, like introducing, fantastic beast, the creatures themselves as a tool.
01:00:22.457 --> 01:00:27.299
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say I also never watch them after the first one, because I was like, I didn't love that.
01:00:28.060 --> 01:00:34.503
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll probably rewatch them for the podcast and see how I feel about it, because also JK Rowling wrote them as the screenwriter.
01:00:34.563 --> 01:00:37.344
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we have two screenplays right there that I saved.
01:00:37.744 --> 01:00:38.524
[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate that.
01:00:38.805 --> 01:00:44.287
[SPEAKER_01]: So it'll be interesting because that'll probably give us some more information about magic from the source, Canon.
01:00:44.887 --> 01:00:46.408
[SPEAKER_01]: But we don't talk about the cursed child.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I reject that.
01:00:47.849 --> 01:00:48.049
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:00:48.189 --> 01:00:48.349
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:00:48.569 --> 01:00:58.196
[SPEAKER_02]: I still, like, so our general listeners, I do have, like, a full Russian edition of, like, all the books that are out there besides the desk piece.
01:00:59.037 --> 01:01:08.544
[SPEAKER_02]: And the cursed child is there, too, in Russian, but I haven't even taken the film out of, off of it because I refuse to touch it.
01:01:08.865 --> 01:01:11.967
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is, no, that's a big no, no, for me.
01:01:12.067 --> 01:01:12.968
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no.
01:01:13.648 --> 01:01:14.289
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, look, looks.
01:01:14.329 --> 01:01:22.020
[SPEAKER_01]: To be fair, haven't read it in 11 years, so maybe it's better than I remembered, but I just remember it like not being great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I feel like it's ridiculous.
01:01:24.643 --> 01:01:28.148
[SPEAKER_02]: I know the premise of it and yeah, no.
01:01:28.895 --> 01:01:34.577
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I feel like the time turners, the ideal thing about the time turners was to have them all be destroyed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I should have been introduced in the first place.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:01:38.179 --> 01:01:44.261
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, the idea of Voldemort having a kid Voldemort procreating is against the nature of Voldemort.
01:01:44.622 --> 01:01:52.345
[SPEAKER_01]: It also gives me even though it's like before this happened, do you remember the infamous line from the rise of Skywalker Palpatine returned somehow?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it gives me that vibe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:01:56.455 --> 01:01:57.316
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:01:58.077 --> 01:02:08.428
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think Harry Potter itself is it should have end with the death of Voldemort, not because Harry's life is an interesting, but because the point of the story is that fighting against evil.
01:02:08.768 --> 01:02:08.969
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
01:02:09.169 --> 01:02:09.369
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:02:10.040 --> 01:02:11.341
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so great chapter.
01:02:11.401 --> 01:02:13.802
[SPEAKER_01]: So what is happening next week?
01:02:15.063 --> 01:02:15.843
[SPEAKER_01]: Quitage time.
01:02:15.883 --> 01:02:17.304
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to fly.
01:02:17.324 --> 01:02:18.264
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to fly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to go to Harry's first Quiddage match.
01:02:21.486 --> 01:02:24.047
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be something to catch.
01:02:24.648 --> 01:02:25.788
[SPEAKER_01]: There will be something catch.
01:02:25.948 --> 01:02:28.750
[SPEAKER_01]: And I will talk more about my feelings about the rules of Quiddage.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Friendship is magic, and apparently so is attempted homicide.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, this is Tegirl's One Blot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, I'm your co-host Nikki, and this is my wonderful co-host, Senya.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For those of you who don't know, this is a Harry Potter reread podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're looking at this for some reason being like, hmm, thinking about reading Harry Potter, don't listen to a reread podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, spoilers go lower.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing that we're like, oh, we're not going to discuss that because it's, you know, it's just spoilers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, we're discussing stuff from like this sixth book and we are in the chapter 10 today of the first book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah,
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like, we are reminded right now about, yeah, there's Canada is re-releasing, not re-releasing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Canada, there's going to be another cinema run of all the movies again, because of the 25th anniversary.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like, this is happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're like, um, think about reading Harry Potter, turn off this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Find another one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, Zenia, what have you been reading lately?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have finished.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The second book of the Shadow and Bone trilogy, Seagin Storm, by Lee Burdugo.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So a couple of days ago, while I was in the process of reading this book, I have stumbled upon a TikTok where a girly pop from Oxet that this is the worst book that Burdugo has ever put out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I actually disagree with that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is, this is a really bad comparison.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not comparing the Li-Werdogo, Shadow and Bone trilogy to Lord of the Rings in any shape or form.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, it's slight shape or form, but we acknowledge that they're on two vastly different levels of quality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is like, yeah, it's like a comparing goats to apples.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but I feel like you will not like this second book, Seasons Storm, if you don't like the two towers, so Seasons Storm is much more of like inner turmoil, much more of a setup for the third book, so it's a lot of palace intrigues, a lot more of, you know, court.
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[SPEAKER_02]: stuff, things going behind the scene and actually actually there are two instances of plot twists that actually caught me by surprise.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of them, it was out there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just didn't catch it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The other one was just pulled out of the ass.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is why it surprised me because it was, it was no setup.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was no setup for that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the first one, like I just, I personally, I didn't see it and I was
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ms. Bridugo does not really know how to set up a mystery.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I like the second book more than the first book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am about to read the third one, because I still want to know the finale of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to know what everything ends up with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what have you been reading lately?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been reading Dungeon Crawled Carls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dungeon Crawler Carls, still.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty good, I don't know, like there's nothing in it where I'm like this will change my perception on things, but I was pretty impressed because it's like a book's out and the one I'm reading right now is the first one and I need to check to see when this was published because like it's very much there's a scene that riffs off of like the manos fear influences like Andrew Tate with young boys sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ooh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'm like, you know, Red Bill content has been around for ages two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is, but it was like, I want to say like the mainstream didn't start talking about it until like post pandemic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I can see that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I don't know if this guy's just really tuned into the internet or maybe he writes especially fast and like eight books have come in six years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, to read Death Note and I'm like, oh, I get it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Boy is the most smart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He can set up intricate ways to figure out things because he's the best exam taker in Japan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, and the connection I would have never thought about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'm just like, maybe it's because I don't come from such an exam heavy culture, but like, okay, I guess like you're really good at taking a test.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that doesn't mean you'd be good under pressure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's like, that doesn't mean you're smart in any way, shape or form, actually.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That for me'd be like retaining information that is relevant to the test.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like, I've committed to finishing this book because it is a manga, so like, it's pictures, you know, it'd be different if it was taxed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be an aff if it was taxed, but I'm like, you know what I'll finish the first book and see if there's something here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, see how that goes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But today, in our podcast, we are reading Chapter 10, Halloween.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is Halloween.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is Halloween.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So would you like a brief synopsis of this chapter?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Please give us a brief synopsis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's only really four things that happen in this chapter, the first.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But oh, how do they happen?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The first is Harry gets his broom and the male, despite the fact that McGonagal seemed to get to it first and had written a note, but we'll get back to that anyway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He got his broom in the male.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's told not to open it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Malfoy is like, hmm, shouldn't have a broom, Potter, and then a teacher is like, oh, yes, special circumstances, and Malfoy is a bit nifty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have sympathy for him in this moment, and we'll go over the rules of Quidditch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We get to spend more time with Oliver Wood, who's great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great character.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We go to Charms class where the very famous Wingardium Leviosa.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wingardium Leviosa.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Scene happens and the very infamous scene of Ron Badmouthing Hermione and her hearing about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: then they're going through the rest of their day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't see her money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're having dinner and then quarrel runs into the great hall and goes, there's a troll in the dungeon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thought you'd have no?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then they're about to all go back to their dormitory and then Harry's like, wait a second.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas her money, she doesn't know this and runs like...
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we got to find her money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they go and try and find her money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in trying to find her money, they lock the troll on the bathroom with her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, classic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, credit to these 11 year old boys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they immediately go in once they figure that out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then they fight a troll and succeed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: wild and they are found by teachers who are vaguely upset but also happy they're not dead and then they all go back to their dormitory and now remind me Ron and Harry are friends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Friendship is magic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's this chapter, like 11 pages, 12 pages.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not too long, but again, a lot of things happen in here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: More description of how things happen, actually.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So kind of a packed episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to start with the thing that I think is most important, which is Halloween, not a big holiday in Europe as it is in North America, amongst muggles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We presume this is a magic version of Halloween.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I guess it would be if...
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[SPEAKER_01]: like an all hollows.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so the situation we take into consideration that a lot of magic that Rowling you're describing is, well, the big part of it is coming from Celtic folklore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Anne is a big thing in Celtic folklore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so Anne is a pre- Halloween Halloween pre- Halloween
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the only, I think, hand wave that JK Rowling does to the modern day, perception of Halloween is set on Halloween, the smell of pumpkins baking is in the air at Hogwarts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So pumpkin pie?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So fun fact.
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[SPEAKER_02]: long ago back in, I want to say like 2015 or 16.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is when I first went to Starbucks back in Russia.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it hasn't been in Russia for a very long time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yes, I discovered a Starbucks for myself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And with Starbucks, I discovered pumpkin spice latte.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And as for any white girl,
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[SPEAKER_02]: it becomes a part of your personality.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It becomes a part of your culture.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pumpkin spice, latte.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it is a seasonal drink, so it is very short lived.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter where you are, it is a seasonal drink.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I decided to try and make a pumpkin spice party.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like a regular pie?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pumpkin pie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like your regular pie, a pumpkin pie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you can't imagine how hard it was back in 2015 or 16 to make a pumpkin pie in Russia, just because we don't really have like pumpkins galore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't have the pumpkin spice brim mix, so I had to find like each and every spice and make my own pumpkin spice mix.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: For the pumpkins, yes, I steamed a pumpkin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because we don't have any pureed pumpkin in cans, except for like baby food.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, that's good, because I found out lots of the pureed pumpkins here, like half squash.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, ew, and not pumpkin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the pumpkin is a squash, I get it, but like, you know, other types of squash, so now I steam my own pumpkin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like, I generally don't like squash, and you know that, and the only way I can consume pumpkin is in pumpkin pie or in the form of pumpkin spice latte.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah, I had my own adventure of trying to make a pumpkin pie and I succeeded and also I succeeded and because because it was a huge pumpkin, I had to buy a whole pumpkin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I also made a pumpkin cheesecake and I was also pretty good with the same spice mix.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nice, nice, nice, nice, nice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, both Halloween and pumpkin is not a big thing in Russia.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Halloween is almost like a Valentine's Day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a Western thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Western thing, you can find some niche events that kind of celebrate it, but it's not like it's not widely celebrated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is interesting that Halloween is so because I am North American, I was like, yeah, of course, there's a Halloween chapter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder though what it's like for a European reading this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not you, sorry, like a you European, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, from the European, from the, from the, from the correct Europe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, from the developed Europe, you know, from the rich Europe and the rich here, the one that's on fire right now, the one on fire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's correct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the one not at war with Ukraine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that'd be interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Consciousness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you were European or are European and read this book as a kid and saw the Halloween chapter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me know how you thought what you thought about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What was there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, Czech Republic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Czech Republic, we miss you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where are you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Harry gets his, oh, it's sorry, a little thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just like done in like a few lines.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that I love how this begins with, by next morning, Harry and Ron thought that meeting, the three-headed dog had been an excellent adventure, and they were quite keen to have another one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I love that too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love how in the Russian version, and it's actually translated, they were doing it again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I feel like there is a little bit of a different implication, just like here, they're like, oh, another adventure is due.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In the Russian version, it's like, oh, let's go see Fluffy once again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think that they would want to see Fluffy once again, but eventually they will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Harry gives Ron the low down, all the information about the package and the green gots, vault.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We learned that Hermione and Neville want nothing to do with this, and credit to them, because that is the responsible way at first.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not great if you're a kid like Harry Potter, who's industrious in trying to save the world, but in a real-life situation, great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: this is not real life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hermione was now refusing to speak to Harry and Ron, but she was such a bossy note all that they saw.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is an added bonus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this line here is a continuation of what we were talking about last chapter with like JK Rowling setting up since it's Ron and Hermione being not sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: JK Rowling setting up Harry and Ron being more
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to know that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So as Harry and Ron are talking about the mysterious object that apparently, as they figured out when from the vault in Green Gods to underneath the trapdoor under Fluffy's boss at Hogwarts, they could only figure out that this was a two inches long object.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do they use inches in Britain?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was thinking about this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We chatted about it before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the 60s Britain did the switch over.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: JK Rowling was like in her late 20s, early 30s when she was writing this book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this was in 1997.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So she would have been born in the 60s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why I'm doing this math.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We could just check when she was born.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, so I think maybe her parents used the imperial system probably.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because they were older and had grown up with that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this was interesting because in Russian version of course it's sent to meters because we don't understand inches and Russia, obviously also another point against Miss Perdugo is this is something I'm noticed just finishing the book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that despite heavily borrowing from Russian entourage and slavic cultures, the system of measurements she use is an imperial.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For context readers, misproducer or whatever is the author of the other books.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, the shadow on bone and it's just kind of like it jumped
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[SPEAKER_02]: out of the page on, like, right at me, it was like, oh, something like two feet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, but isn't the author British?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What feet?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She, she's from America.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, never mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's America.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just like, yeah, if this universe is like based on 19th century, Russia, Imperial Russia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't use centimeters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Harry gets his broom, so a large parcel is dropped in front of Harry by an owl, not had wig.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a letter which he reads first, and it's from McGonagall saying, don't open the parcel at the table.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It contains your new Nimbus 2000, but I don't want everyone knowing you've got a broomstick or the all-want one, and then that he's going to meet Oliver Wood tonight to learn about Quidditch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So a couple things here, one,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who paid for this broom?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it mechanical?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it the school?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about this last chapter of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like, okay, where is this money coming from?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, how expensive is an industry?
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[SPEAKER_02]: A bit later in the chapter during the scruffuffle between Ron and Malfoy and Harry, they're discussing which broomstick is better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and how Ron's family probably could not afford half a, half a handle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think people tried to calculate the cost of the firebolt, and it was like in the hundreds of galleons, but we know nothing about the like median cost of a broomstick, like at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there was something else that's like, so Professor McGonagall clearly got the broomstick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We know that at least.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She could have just given it to him or have someone else give it to him separate or delivered it to his bedroom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, with the house else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, she didn't have to do this whole thing at breakfast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, why would she do that if she's worried he'll open the parcel at the table?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where everyone can see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In that case, like the do not open and the table should be right on the package.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't really understand the logic here besides the fact that it sets up, mouthway noticing that it's a broom being mean, presuming that Harry's going to get it like expelled because of this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then getting his come up in because we find out that all the teachers know that it's a special exception for Harry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's preferential treatment, yeah, yeah, and I love how Harry's really not wrong in saying that it's thanks to mouth for he has this broomstick and I feel so weird because as we're going to see in the latest in the later books
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Voldemort really is his own worst enemy and here Drake is also his own worst enemy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just making things worse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, if not worse for himself, it's just the effect him more and more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was thinking about this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like I'm not pro Drake goes behavior in any time in the spoke.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he really needs to be disciplined by anybody humbled not humbled.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he needs to be disciplined by a teacher.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't think this should be school yard justice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I can understand being frustrated that you've been told very clearly there's rules.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is understandable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then to learn that the rules don't apply to one person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is totally understandable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The same frustration that Harry has with how horrible a teacher Snape is because he only prefers certain people and his rude to everybody else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not rude, he bullies pretty much everybody else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so I can understand Malfoy's frustration here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you didn't understand that you've made Harry even more special, you've made him even more powerful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My power only increases.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then her money comes in and she's also upset.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like so I suppose you think that's a reward for breaking rules.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like this is a great line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it brings up, I think that as a kid, you maybe don't see the injustice in Harry getting special treatments until Hermione says that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Though I will say given Hermione's slight character change in this chapter, especially at the end, I think that that kind of all disappears.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She becomes quite a rulebreaker herself, especially over the next seven books.
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[SPEAKER_02]: over the next all of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then yeah, so we have a brief conversation with Malphoy where they're talking about like the different value of broomsticks and we learn that Malphoy maybe has a comet 260 and that it's maybe a luxury broom but it doesn't have the same ability as animbus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We learn that Ron is very poor again, which like
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[SPEAKER_01]: We already know what's new.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and like so this is a thing that I've been thinking of is like Is a broomstick an enchanted item or is there some inherent magic to it like a wand, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so people have been arguing whether it is an enchanted item or whether it has something like a core to it wand because both ones and broomsticks they kind of behave like they have their own sentience almost
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it all comes down to basically being an enchanted object rather than something with a core.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, I can understand that especially like as a product to be, oh, I don't know, once I sold as a product.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I will never know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: JK Rowling has chosen not to elaborate more on this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but also once they're like, they're more one of the kind.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You really are only supposed to ever have one and the fact that some wizards have more than one is more of a, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: exception to the rule, I guess, because, well, you're supposed to have a replacement if you want, is it broken beyond repair.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just wonder, because there's only so many combinations, you can have of a core and a wood and a length.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How hard it is to duplicate a one that you had before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, maybe they're really, maybe something about the wood in the length and the core together create like a new magical thing, you know, like a magic light.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the point is if like if I had an 11 inch holly wand with a Phoenix feather, I can go and order another 11 inch long holly wood wand with a Phoenix feather.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess what I'm trying to say is like, all human beings are the same material.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what I guess?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, oral flesh blood and bone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, but we're all unique.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so I think ones are similar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're like the material.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, maybe some people have different colored hair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe some of the some people have chronic disease, you know, but like we're all generally the same.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe some people have crippling depression.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, who knows?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know any of those people, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, those are hypothetical people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hypothetical people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hypothetical people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No one who lives in the subs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the boys do something really cute where they just like take it out of its wrapping in the dorm room and just look at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do that as an adult now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, you get like something you really, really want.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if there's like a factory film on it that you just, you don't remove maybe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, if there's like a golden gravy in there on it, and there is one, it could be like a film on top of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's enchanted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you, it just stays clean.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, do we ever see them polishing their rooms?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, okay, is in the third book Hermione gives Harry a broomstick care kit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, with the polish and like a special special scissors and all that to trim the twigs and all that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I take it back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why we have one expert sentia and one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've read the books.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and physias enthusiast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So then Harry goes to learn Pitted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Learn Quidditch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He just I saw the word pitch and I saw the word Quidditch and I like to gather Pidditch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, Harry goes to learn Quidditch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He comes to the pitch a little bit earlier and decides to give it a go on his new broomstick and it feels wonderful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He seems to very much like it, and would is very happy that he's been flying, because he's like, oh, you're a natural, you're going to be great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I'm going to quickly go over the rules of Quidditch and like the stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's four balls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is the quaffle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the one that, this is the quaffle, the bludgers and the snitch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The quaffle is thrown by the three chasers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the bludgers are hit by the two beers, and the snitch is found by the seeker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's a keeper who guards the goalposts to keep the quarrel out because the quarrel goes through the goalposts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The ledgers are hit by the beaters to hit other enemy team people to get them off their broom and the snitches sought.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's only one and it is sought by the two seekers in a competition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think so I actually like the game with one exception.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My exception is the 150 points for winning the snitch is ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You think so because like then you can never what's the point of the chasers like it's only in close games that the chasers would absolutely have a role and all the games do end I mean there is that one line about how there's one game that went on for three months, but besides that we never see a game go longer than like an afternoon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, does that speak to the abilities of the seekers or not?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's, so this is my thought.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that JK Rowling was trying to show how good of a secretary is by having a piece of something that's hard to find that people sometimes don't find for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Harry would find it, you know, every time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I just don't think she kept that consistently because she only mentions off page when Quidditch matches go a long time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like in the world cup in the fourth book, we're told that it could go on for weeks, but it doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's one night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: coincidentally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then also at Hogwarts, we never hear of a game going on longer than like one day, one afternoon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think the whole difference in points would make sense if the game actually did go on for weeks at the end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, if it goes on for like weeks or even months, because then the amount of points that the chases would get would make sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the game only ends
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[SPEAKER_01]: playing day and day out, their amount of points would be significant, but because all of the games that we see end really quickly, whoever gets the snitch is pretty much the winner.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pretty much except for the World Cup.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Except for the World Cup, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I, like, I generally like Quidditch, I think it's clever to give the Wizarding World its own sport.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it is clever to make Harry part of that because it gives him something that he's good at, you know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But also, it is not necessarily like plot relevant, that much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it only become, well, I think we've talked about this in previous episodes, but like the only time we see a Quidditch game is when it's relevant to the overall plot of the book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like a lot of Quidditch games have paid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, I think what she means is that this game is driving the plot, but it's not really affecting the overall, like, the biggest events of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just like a arena for the plot to explain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I will also say as well that there's lots of games at Hogwarts that happen off-page, but we don't hear about them going for weeks at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and if they did, that would be something we would hear about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because like, players might have to be out of school and also in this chapter they mentioned that they have to bring in a bunch of subs for that game that lasted three months.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like, there's no- They don't have any subs for school teams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no subs in Quidditch at Hogwarts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, well, apparently there are because, well, are they technically subs because when Harry got banned from Quidditch, they brought in Ginny and to other people for beaters?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they were, I think they did try out through something like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess they were not really subs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like Ginny wasn't part of the team before that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what actually I wanted to bring up is, well, first of all, who would address is my favorite characters in the whole franchise as a pair of human bludgers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it is very accurate, I think, I think, and it is very funny for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the whole thing with the snitch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you know anything about the snitch?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a snitch that Harry gets later in the seventh book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, the snitch in general, as a ball in the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's golden and it flies.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so there is an origin story to the snitch, which you can find out if you read both Fantastic Beasts, not the movie screen play, but the Fantastic Beasts
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[SPEAKER_01]: another book she put out for charity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you read both of those, you will find out a very interesting history.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So first of all, it explains the origins of Quidditch from the Quidditch Swamps.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is like people were playing this game there and there was a witch that saw it and whatnot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is how it happened.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Snitch is called Snitch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: After their original thing, the players used to play the game of Quidditch, which is a fantastic beast, a magical bird, which is called the Golden Sniget, and it's pure animal cruelty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, that is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so at some point they decided, at some point, Snigets went almost to stay to actually get one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder why.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder why, so they decided to make a golden ball to, yeah, to sub for a golden Sniget bird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the technically it's kind of the properties are the same.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's very, very fast, it's round in yellow and golden.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, hard to catch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We appreciate less animal cruelty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a line here that like, seekers get fouled because to catch the snitch means to like end the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like we don't see a lot of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not too much, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, when it's done by Dobby via magic, we see that, and we see when the dementers do it, but they're not part of the game, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: There are a few times, but they're specifically slithering matches, because slithering is bad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, because they're bad, of course they're going to foul everyone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're kind of like Argentina.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Quidditch has explained, I like Quidditch generally, I think I'd either change the rules or include that it goes on for weeks at a time to make it make a bit more sense, but yeah, not generally like Quidditch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Harry is very good at it, wood is very happy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have another Charlie Weasley line, I like how she's setting him up because it goes, I wouldn't be surprised if you turn up better than Charlie Weasley, and he could have played for England if he hadn't gone off chasing dragons.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, dude went to chase his dream and I just I left a note here myself and like a legendary legendary Charlie Weasley again, this is the prime Weasley Jean Paul
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[SPEAKER_02]: athletes, entrepreneurs, heroes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So something that is interesting here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we have Charlie Weasley and he could have played for England.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we know that in the Wizarding System, the sports teams are set up according to the different quote unquote countries within the United Kingdom.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, when you do that because the Quish World Cup Ireland is playing, not the UK is playing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, but Ireland is its own country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But UK is also not England.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, but so what I'm trying to bring up is that apparently,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wizarding sports teams follow what United Kingdom has decided to do where they divvy up their sports team by the different like quote countries on quote countries within the United Kingdom which is interesting to you think that given that the Wizarding society separated from muggle society in the 1600s that they would not do that that they would have some sort of holdover.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think this is just J.K. Rowling's not great at world buildings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She just took what happened in the real world, in real world, in the world, and applied it to visiting world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to explain to our listeners why I'm saying quote, country unquote.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like I understand that in the UK, this is like a contentious thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm going to be real blunt here within like every other country when you have something that doesn't have its own passport, but has a certain level of autonomous government within the country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's generally a form of like a province or a state or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it doesn't have its own federal system and like is completely independent from the other parts of the country, it's not like it's not its own country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know they use that word there, but it's essentially acts as a province or a state within the United Kingdom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's like a little different from Northern Ireland, but like I'm not going to
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[SPEAKER_01]: like, I don't know, some like British podcasts, so I listen to they go and like, oh, well, you know, Wales is some country.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get this is probably important for you, but like, I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think that at some point there was like a Yugoslavia inquitaged him?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like there would no, because they separated from Muggles society like forever ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're probably still the Austro-Hungarian Empire, but no, but no, I don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't this probably still a Prussian quitch team, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't think that this actually works that way because no, because she came rallying didn't think this through.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but we see the interaction between the magical and wizarding world in terms of like the prime ministers interacting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So well, apparently if that works, then the wizarding society has to apply the the model country notions to their society.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How so they just let him know that like, hey, some people might be dying because we're fighting a war anyway, see yeah, like he's not involved in any decision making, so they just let him know by the way, yeah, just like by the way, security thing anyway, here you go by the way, we have a a very dangerous wizard on the loose and just tell everybody has a gun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't think that the Muggle Prime Minister has any input into the wizarding world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they would ever allow that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It would have been a better story to be honest if part of part of Voldemort's like popularity was a backlash against Muggle's having role in wizarding governments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That would have been interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ooh, that's actually an interesting, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That would be an interesting point to see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think we're not thinking about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the case here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, and then we go to the next bit of the section, which is the when Guardian Leviosa.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And here we have another instance of animal cruelty from not other than Professor Flittwick, who made Port Trevor around the room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we learned about this because Harry's going like, oh my god, I love it here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is more home than private drive could ever be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And his lessons are getting more interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just recently Professor Flittwick was like, yeah, you can learn how to make things fly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he gave an example by eating Trevor around the room.
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[UNKNOWN]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which could be done pretty well without a wand?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Any humuggle can eat a frog.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They just the frog will probably not be alive afterwards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the only difference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Professor Flittwick puts the class into Paris to practice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's like two lines after this, which make me wonder how Professor Flittwick put them into Paris, because Harry's partner was famous Finnegan and then in brackets, which was a relief because Neville
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[SPEAKER_01]: So our partners assigned, or did they get to choose?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because why would you try to catch somebody's eye if partners are assigned?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how this works.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like when you're put into partners in a classroom and the teacher goes like, oh, okay, get into pairs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You try to make eye contact with the people you want.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it appears that nobody got a choice because Ron was working with Hermione and Hermione doesn't want to work with Ron either and they both don't want to work with each other equally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the only reason I can think that this line was put in is because it's a little thing about how Neville's not that good at magic again, which has been a common thing that happens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, G.K. has to remind us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also that it's set up this way just because Ron and Hermione have to be together for the troll thing to happen later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Anna, it's just something I see in a lot of writing and even really good authors still do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'm not being too critical about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, they have an idea of where the chapter wants to go and you can see that because some of the ways that they get there don't exactly make too much sense when you look at it closely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but they're like, yeah, but we're going somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, so my big example is, do you remember the red wedding in a song of ice and fire?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course not the TV show in a song of ice and fire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's certain things that have to happen for that to happen, which are so happenstants and so coincidental.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And certain people are not punished even though they really should have been punished by the lannisters that you can tell that George Martin wants to get to
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's even admitted he knew when he started Rob Zark that they would end in the red wedding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's certain moments where it doesn't exactly make sense why things are going a way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It kind of makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you look at it too closely, you're like, that's too coincidental when you're writing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's important to make things not coincidental.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I feel like when you have such a rigid plan for yourself, it's really easy to write yourself into a corner.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a great mark between line where it's like, oh gosh, I can't remember it exactly, but it's like real life is much more surprising than writing because in writing things have to make sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when you are writing a story, you can't rely to heavily on, well, you know, coincidence happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or this may have happened or that sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Readers expect a certain amount of okay A plus B equals C.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't have to be rigid with that to the point where it's overly written, but it's not great writing to have an end goal and then to mess up getting there by being like, uh, coincidence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, don't look over there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's only a minor plot hole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't think about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even if that had to see, yeah, even if the end goal is super cool, I would just say to all aspiring writers out there, it's better to overthink in the beginning and figure it out
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's special.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a reference to the books and you was reading.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a reference to any books that anybody has ever written.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And also, there's a hat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, they're wearing their hats.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I didn't notice that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Harry puts out the Sheamus's fire with his hat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they are wearing their hats.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we found another instance of a hat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so the hats do have some purpose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's like a slavery and ancient Greece.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was so commonplace that it's not even mentioned in the text.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, guys, I didn't want to darken that with that comparison.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just the first one that came to mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It should have seemed my face now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's an audio medium, sent you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, when Guardian Levyosa, he shouted waving his long arms like a Whitmill, you're saying it wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Harry heard Hermione snap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's when Guardian Levyosa make the guard nice and long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: which is different than the film.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the film's version is the one that people think of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's leveeousa, not leveeousa, and I like this version better because it's much easier to pronounce a hard consonant sound, like longer, guard than it is a certain vowel sound slightly different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it emphasizes how her mind is not actually being that much of a note all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is pretty obvious, probably.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Harry and Shamus couldn't do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'm over thinking about this, but I like this version better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hermione does it and this makes Ron very upset and he has the infamous line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's no wonder no one can stand her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He sit to Harry as they push their way into the crowded corridor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's a nightmare, honestly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Hermione hears, and Harry goes, I think she heard you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So said Ron, but he looked a bit uncomfortable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She must have noticed she's got no friends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wrote one word in here like, oh, yeah, it is really an oof.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is an oof.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, he's not wrong, but also, you don't have to be like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to be like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, like, this is, this is I'm called for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially after you've just been caught saying it in front of somebody and like he does look a bit uncomfortable and he is 11, so I'm not going to be doubled down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but he does redeem himself later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we find out Hermione is crying in the girls toilets, not having a good time and she even skips glass.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which is almost pretty much unheard of.
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[SPEAKER_02]: they're distracted briefly by the decorations, which are live bats and I wrote on and my nose that life is, this is flying, rabius into school.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, they're probably like in
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[SPEAKER_01]: Radius is a real thing, yeah, despite what the office would have you think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We also learned that of Halloween.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a special feast, and that's how wizard celebrate Halloween.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll learn a bit by bit more about wizarding Halloween, but so far we've learned
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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of like old versions of Halloween in mind but also with some modern ideas of bats being everywhere in pumpkins.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then we have the other iconic line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Professor Coral is sprinting into the hall, his turbinous skew and terror on his face.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone stared as he reached Professor Dumbledore's chair, slumting against the table and grass, trolling the dungeons, thought you
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[SPEAKER_02]: So my question is, how is skew is his turban?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I also wonder that apparently not enough for anyone to notice the face on the back of his head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: would have been hilarious, but I do really like this scene in the movie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's better when he's yelling trolling the girl in the dungeon, like running across the the hall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So everyone starts freaking out, Professor Dumbledore calms everybody down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like prefix, bring the houses back to the door twice immediately.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Percy is like in his own Percy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a moment where like, I'm not always the kind, just to Percy, but like, there's maybe because I'm a bit too much like him, but there is value in having well-organized people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I'm the prefect.
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[SPEAKER_02]: First years of coming through, get the hell out of the way, but also, there is a difference between how Professor Dumbledore comes everyone down in the movie and in here and in the book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, there is apparently
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[SPEAKER_02]: purple firecrackers that he summons with his wand in the book, but in the movie just yells really loudly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like the movie version of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just yelled really loudly as someone who is yelled very loudly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Someone who's been yelled at very loudly, I do not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the Harry and Ron are like, how could it troll get in and Ron's like, I don't know, and there's supposed to be really stupid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's maybe let it in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Harry remembers Hermione and I really like this interaction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So as they jostled their way through a crowd of confused Hufflepuffs, Harry suddenly grabbed Ron's arm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've just thought, Hermione, what about her?
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[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't know about the troll.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ron did his lip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He snapped, but Percy better not see us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so what I appreciate and we've talked about this before in our sorting hat chapter where like, what is a griffin door?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Harry and Ron here are showing the type of dumb bravery that is, I like, I think it's dumb, but I like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't even have to communicate really about what's happening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What they want to do, what they're going to do, I also really appreciate that Ron has half a second of a doubt before he's like, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he may not like Hermione, but he definitely does not want her dead.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it shows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, well, we're going to go us first years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Clearly, we are the experts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so then they go and they don't want to get caught by Percy, which I understand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then they see snake.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's crossing the corridor and disappearing from view.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, I wonder why he's here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they realize he's heading for the third floor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then
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[SPEAKER_01]: you so I do appreciate because we now know having re-read the book series what have you been doing for the past twenty nine years i want to say maybe i've been thirty soon no yet twenty nine years quarrel is the expert of trolls
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Snape immediately clocks that it doesn't make sense that Coral, who is generally terrified, is terrified of trolls and couldn't deal with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And immediately thinks something's up, I'm going to go to the third floor corridor where we know the philosopher's stone is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Snape immediately clocking somethings up, good on Snape, and it's a very good mystery writing tool because immediately associates Snape in a moment of fear going somewhere else, which makes somewhere that the boys know that the special item is at, and it sets Snape up again to be a red herring, red herring villain, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually really like the trolls description of just being horrible, being gray like a rock, being short legs with flat, horny feet, just horrible smell with a huge wooden club.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a, there's been a move in the past few decades of being like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: The villain, as you've never seen them before, like, given them nuance or things like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is just like, nah, it's a troll.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's dumb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a troll.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a troll.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some things are just what they are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like it doesn't have to be deep, you know, it's not that deep, bro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that deep, bro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they see the troll and it's not in the dungeon anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, another piece to our red herring pie because why would quarrel say it's in the dungeon when it's clearly not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Something that if you're an eagle-eyed reader, you first see Snape, but then if you're looking even deeper, you see Coral, giving a little bit of a mist direct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the troll goes into a room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Harry sees there's a key in the lock and that they could lock him in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They do that, but apparently it's the bathroom that Hermione's in and I have to wonder, why is there a key in the outside of a bathroom?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly!
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is so creepy!
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is and the only reason I can think of is so that Harry and Ron have this moment where they realize that they have to go in even though they've locked the troll in the room to save Hermione.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like the only reason why there's a key.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't make sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We never see it like a key just being in a lock.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they go in and they have this great line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the last thing they wanted to do, but what choice did they have?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for real, yeah, like I know, I don't think this is even meant in like the saving Hermione sort of thing like who wants to go up against a troll, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Hermione is almost going to be attacked by the troll and they immediately start fighting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to confuse it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to throw things out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't seem to work very much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the sound seems to work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The sound sounds distract him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we had the line, Harry then did something that was both very brave and very stupid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He took a great running leap and managed to fasten his armor on the troll's neck from behind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he shoves his wand up its nose.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, oh, that's one way to use the wand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The troll is 12 feet tall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Harry is 11 feet tall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, he's 11 years old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, tall 11 year old is I don't know feet that they're not very.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So 12 feet is like trying to two early in Holland's yes, two early in Holland's like it's very tall okay and Harry is not he's 11 he is very much slight he's not described as tall by anybody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ron is the tall one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay
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[SPEAKER_01]: So how does Harry with a running jump get to 12 feet up in the air around the neck of a troll?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea, but the troll must be bending over for something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I think this is again where like the author had an idea that it's going to be the wand up the nose and then Ron's going to use the spell, the one that he and her money kind of had a falling out over to then knock out the troll.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so like I think she had that in mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then everything else just had to kind of fit to make that happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've already told our gentle listeners
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm learning so much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: People, you have no idea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Ben Ron uses Wingardium Levyosa and it grabs the trolls club and it then rose high and drops on his head and then the troll is knocked out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then there's troll bogeys on it, eel, and now we've learned that bogey in Harry Potter World does mean boogers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then Professor McGonagall, Professor Snake, and Professor Quirl suddenly burst in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Quirl pulls his classic, oh, I'm so afraid of everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But why are they all here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Coral seems to have recovered from fainting pretty quickly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know why Snape's there because he was just nearby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But why is McGonagall there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Apparently, heard the noise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, McGongall is very upset, you're lucky, you weren't killed, blah, blah, blah, why aren't you in your dormitory, and then Hermione is a real one, because she says, she tells a lie to a teacher, something we never would have expected from Hermione to save from punishment, the boys who have just saved her life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She takes the one for the team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She takes one for the team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's the sort of way we're like, when the teachers, golden child's admits to doing something wrong, the teacher can't punish them in the same way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're like, oh my God, not you!
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in like a thing that makes me like wow point inflation really becomes a thing in this book Professor McGonagall only takes five points away from her mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's insane for her mindy claiming that she because she read about troll so much she was ready to deal with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then gives Ron and her Ron and Harry each five points.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Ron very accurately says.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We should have gotten more than 10 points.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Five if you count the five points that you took off for Miami.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the movie does this better where Professor McGonagall says 10 points for sheer dumb luck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where is the lie?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a lie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where is the lie?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then we have a really sweet moment where, you know, good on her to get us at a trouble like that, Ron admitted, mind you, we did save her, he's talking about her mind here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Harry says she might not have needed saving if we hadn't locked the thing in with her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And not wrong, not wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where's the light?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they all meet up in the common room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they all say thanks to each other, which is just this kind of acknowledgement that like no one here was in the right and the wrong, that sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They all did the best.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They all did the right thing in the end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hermione saved them from punishment and they saved Hermione's life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I absolutely love how, from that moment on, Hermione going to became their friend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There are some things you can't share without any up liking each other and knocking out a 12 foot mount and troll is one of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Agreed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing better than shared trauma.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to go back briefly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we have Snape and Coral both there suddenly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that we know from later in the book that Coral's plan was to distract everybody by the troll in the dungeon and then go get the stone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it makes sense that he's there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, it's for eagle-eyed readers that will see Snape there and think, oh, Snape's a villain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if they're looking, it makes sense later on that Coral's a villain because he was always here for this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And well, we always are presented with quail as such like a wallflower.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I keep on repeating this word.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But this is what J.K. is painting him as very skillfully to be honest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're just every interaction with him is him being nervous, him being I want to use the word weak, but in a way that like you don't hate somebody for you're just like kind of in the same way not threat not a threat in the same way never is here yeah yeah we're like oh you're not very good at what you do okay yeah just just kind of not a threat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that concludes the chapter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a very nerve-wracking one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Lots of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was an emotional roller coaster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I quite like this chapter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It, I think after this point, we kind of end the, oh, I'm at Hogwarts, and I'm new sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It very skillfully ends up by bringing up that Harry feels really at home here now, that magic is really taking off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have the introduction of Quiddage, which will be something that, you know, is a connection through most of the books with the exception of the seventh book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we have a really big introduction of the main plot, which is the philosopher's stone mystery with this troll.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we have everybody kind of on the same page, Hermione's now part of the team, which is very important because they're going to need a Hermione someone who is very smart and knows lots of things and likes light reading to have this all work out and I also appreciate like that there's a it's not a question of whether or not they can be friends with the girl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it ever is and I appreciate that because like none of their other friends are girls.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, but again, I feel like this, she's not really friends with other girls until Jenny.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jenny, but Jenny is what we figured out that with Jenny, it's more by proximity, but they also are kind of they're made more
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[SPEAKER_02]: deprived of other females company by their status.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is Hermione's super smart?
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's a prefect at that point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jenny is like super popular.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think also like with such small classes, you kind of make friends and stick with those friends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know there's lots of thoughts and video essays on whether or not JK Rowling is misogynist in her writing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's a lot of things in her writing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to have to read some of these and watch some of these and then apply them to the chapter before I can say myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this kind of follows a trend though of a group of boys with the one female friend in the group.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not uncommon for this period of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I just appreciate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it would have been nice to give Hermione or anyone else like another female friend, but you know what Hermione's part of the gang now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And can you really think of Harry and Ron without Hermione?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, not really.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They balance each other out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say fairly well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are like bread bread.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you going to build on this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are like bread peanut butter and jelly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're like a sandwich.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A PB&J.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, PB&J.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, pretty succinct chapter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't say we have like, so the beginning middle end is there with the exception of there's a extra part in the end of the beginning and the beginning of the middle where we just learned about quit it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but besides that we have a beginning middle end, we have a climax.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a resolution afterwards and the mystery is ongoing mystery is well written.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty solid chapter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, we've talked about it last time, but the fact that we're only at Halloween and we're halfway through the book means we're going to be skipping some stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we're going to be skipping a lot of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that quite a quidget, quidget.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of quidget.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy that the TV show will probably go into more detail because they have if we presume a 10 episode season, it's going to be like 10 hours of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm expecting eight or 10 episodes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think probably it's, I wouldn't get my hopes up for 10.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would expect eight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So are you basing that off of the House of the Dragon?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just I'm just basing that off of most of TV shows of most of HBO TV shows.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They are eight episodes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so part of why that changed is so Warner Brothers, which is a parent company of HBL has been having some significant financial troubles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they've had to shorten seasons in order to like, because HBL shows are expensive in general.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they've moved to a shorter season because just per episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you have your episodes, it's cheaper.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know if they're going to do that with Harry Potter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be interesting to see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I should probably look into this afterwards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if they've announced any like details, details regarding that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know we have like a general, a general time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to come out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we know that it's not going to be like a extended universe sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's which I'm happy about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know other people like them, but I did not actually appreciate the introduction of the Fantastic Beast films.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't like Harry Potter films are not about the world of Harry Potter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: particularly interesting because she came around and didn't write a great one, but it's interesting is Harry Potter and the fight against evil.
01:00:01.666 --> 01:00:03.206
[SPEAKER_02]: I can, yeah, I can cure.
01:00:03.927 --> 01:00:21.657
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like fantastic beast as a franchise that tried to reintroduce the concept of fighting evil, but with different tools, like introducing, fantastic beast, the creatures themselves as a tool.
01:00:22.457 --> 01:00:27.299
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say I also never watch them after the first one, because I was like, I didn't love that.
01:00:28.060 --> 01:00:34.503
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll probably rewatch them for the podcast and see how I feel about it, because also JK Rowling wrote them as the screenwriter.
01:00:34.563 --> 01:00:37.344
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we have two screenplays right there that I saved.
01:00:37.744 --> 01:00:38.524
[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate that.
01:00:38.805 --> 01:00:44.287
[SPEAKER_01]: So it'll be interesting because that'll probably give us some more information about magic from the source, Canon.
01:00:44.887 --> 01:00:46.408
[SPEAKER_01]: But we don't talk about the cursed child.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I reject that.
01:00:47.849 --> 01:00:48.049
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:00:48.189 --> 01:00:48.349
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:00:48.569 --> 01:00:58.196
[SPEAKER_02]: I still, like, so our general listeners, I do have, like, a full Russian edition of, like, all the books that are out there besides the desk piece.
01:00:59.037 --> 01:01:08.544
[SPEAKER_02]: And the cursed child is there, too, in Russian, but I haven't even taken the film out of, off of it because I refuse to touch it.
01:01:08.865 --> 01:01:11.967
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is, no, that's a big no, no, for me.
01:01:12.067 --> 01:01:12.968
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no.
01:01:13.648 --> 01:01:14.289
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, look, looks.
01:01:14.329 --> 01:01:22.020
[SPEAKER_01]: To be fair, haven't read it in 11 years, so maybe it's better than I remembered, but I just remember it like not being great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I feel like it's ridiculous.
01:01:24.643 --> 01:01:28.148
[SPEAKER_02]: I know the premise of it and yeah, no.
01:01:28.895 --> 01:01:34.577
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I feel like the time turners, the ideal thing about the time turners was to have them all be destroyed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I should have been introduced in the first place.
01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:37.719
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:01:38.179 --> 01:01:44.261
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, the idea of Voldemort having a kid Voldemort procreating is against the nature of Voldemort.
01:01:44.622 --> 01:01:52.345
[SPEAKER_01]: It also gives me even though it's like before this happened, do you remember the infamous line from the rise of Skywalker Palpatine returned somehow?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it gives me that vibe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think Harry Potter itself is it should have end with the death of Voldemort, not because Harry's life is an interesting, but because the point of the story is that fighting against evil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so great chapter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what is happening next week?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Quitage time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to fly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to fly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to go to Harry's first Quiddage match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be something to catch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There will be something catch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I will talk more about my feelings about the rules of Quiddage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to have a mouthful, but I'm sure for those who know, you know, and you shouldn't know, because this is a reread podcast.
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