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speaker-1: What is going on everyone? Welcome back to another episode of Beyond the Tape. TJ Wingard here with you, joined by my very special guest today, Mitch Kaiser, host of the Point After podcast, former PFF employee, alum, whatever you want to use there, but Mitch, great guy, ton of energy. You're coming into this draft space with a new, interesting perspective. So you had me on your podcast, one to return the favor. Welcome to the Beyond the Tape podcast, but also we're doing this as a little bit of a collab. So this will be on the Point After podcast network. So I appreciate you helping me out here and I'm happy to return the favor.
speaker-0: Of course, TJ, appreciate you having me on, man. Yeah, this is a point after episode as well. So thank you for coming on to collab Machaf, Machaf Monday. Different, different panelists every week. Last week we had Dalton. This week we're gonna do TJ Wengerd. So yeah, appreciate you inviting me on as well, man.
speaker-1: Yeah, of course. So I will say on 32, we're posting this a couple of days later. We just did a mock draft with Reggie Q. So didn't want these two guys having each other step on each other's toes. But that being said, dude, like we've made it past the first wave of free agency. Feels like we know where this draft is now headed. At least we have a better idea. So frankly, the mock drafts are going to be left, right, center, up, down, in between. And I don't think we'll have any mock that looks anything like the one that came right before it too. So like, it's still such a fun time of the year, but Mitch, you know, I forgot to ask you off the top before we even recorded bad producing here from me. You find what's taking the odds?
speaker-0: So yeah, no, I can do I was gonna say I did odds last week with Dalton. I'm happy to take odds again. I'll try unless you want to
speaker-1: I can also take the evens, then I'll give you the Steelers pick. just feel like at this point, like Steelers fans specifically, they know where I'm to take that pick. So it'd be good to have an outside perspective for that. how about you take the, I'll take the odds, but I'll give you the Steelers pick at 21. We'll just give you like three straight picks there.
speaker-0: Perfect, whatever you want to do, I can do it. I can try to make Steelers fans happy if you want me to.
speaker-1: ⁓ yeah, well, especially as a Cincinnati local, you know, we love, ⁓ well, you know, man, it's tough. was really hoping you would take number one. just don't know what I'm going to do here. I'll.
speaker-0: So big last week,
speaker-1: Okay.
speaker-0: I gotta stop with that joke. Club Nick doesn't deserve that. I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry, kid. You don't deserve that.
speaker-1: Well, if you were targeting quarterback, that at least leads me in the right direction. think Fernando Mendoza is the guy that the Raiders are keying in on. So let's go.
speaker-0: And I must say on that, he's the locked in pick. Again, I've said it for months, you could order your Mendoza jerseys. However, do you think they will sign Kirk Cousins or do you think that's all smoked?
speaker-1: I mean, frankly, like my comp for Mendoza's been somewhere between Matt Ryan and Kurt Cousins, so I don't hate that.
speaker-0: It is kind of funny that that is the,
speaker-1: Yeah. And then also like familiarity with Clint Kubiak and that scheme, right? Like Kirk played under his dad, Gary, know, Gino's now in New York. They don't have that bridge guy. And those are also like underrated, you know, perspective of like him becoming a Kubiak quarterback. He had two snaps last year under center and like that offense lives under center. So, you know, maybe it's also just that perspective, like getting comfortable with, you know, a highly paid center now in Tyler Lindner bomb. So I almost wonder if that's part of the equation too, just to getting comfortable in this type of setting there too. So I kind of buy into the smoke and also like. He's gotten his back so many times. this point, this is where Kirk goes into modest version of him, right? Like, I don't think he's getting another $80 million.
speaker-0: version. He's mentoring so veteran. Yeah, same person. They got the same personalities to all right. I am up on the clock now with the jets. Now, if I had to make this pick for who I think it's going to be, I think it's going to end up being Arvel Reese. However,
speaker-1: He's back. You can take that middle.
speaker-0: I think Ruben Bain is the best edge rusher in the class. I would take Ruben Bain with this pick and not overthink it. I think he's the best defensive player in the class. I think he's going to be a star edge rusher in the NFL. I'm not worried about his tiny arms, man. Flip on the tape. That dude is different. That guy is strong as an ox. Does not like great on run defense too. Great on pass rush. Whatever you need him to do, he can do it. Don't worry about the small arms. Watch the tape. Ruben Bane Jr. would be my second pick to the Jets.
speaker-1: Dude, I like it a lot. I mean, as much as it does feel like Reese is kind of the chalk, that's where it feels like the money's going. At least from a betting market standpoint, it feels like that's kind where the mock draft consensus has come into. That being said, like Ruben Bane, like the two stories of last year just went one and two, Mendoza and Bane. Those were the two best players to college football last year. So in a lot of ways, this is how this process should work out.
speaker-0: Yeah, it's funny how it ends up like you you look back at quarterbacks that make it in the NFL we've had this conversation a couple times of like the ones that usually led their team far in the playoffs like they kind of end up being good and not just quarterbacks but like any position like 100 % the guys who are doing it on the field on the biggest stage usually are the ones to pan out and it's like maybe they shouldn't have overthought it like Jack sort good
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example from Jackson and I know he's obviously not ribbon band he's a third-round pick but like That's pro player. That's a pro starter in the NFL. ⁓ But anyway, yeah.
speaker-1: And then it's interesting here for Bain because the conversation of is he an edge, is he a tweener? Well, I think this is a little overblown, the 4-3 versus 3-4. At the of the day, Nichols is the new base in the league. But for a 3-4, a defense that's moving to try to be more 3-4, a 3-4 DN might be the compromise there between Bain being full-time edge and being a detackle in some scheme. So that might be the ultimate right place for him in and of itself too. So I like dropping a good football player there. They need pass rush help. They moved on from Jermaine Johnson. I like going Bain there.
speaker-0: And my thing versus Reese is, Reese feels like you're picking him to become Ruben Bane in a few years. Like it feels like if he develops right and you luck out, he could be Ruben Bane. That's why I would just take Ruben Bane right now.
speaker-1: 100 % the floor versus the ceiling. The family guy, could be a boat, you know, or can have. Well, this is interesting here. Cardinals at three.
speaker-0: Three bucks. He's an interesting pick, yeah. I've seen a couple of linemen marked. I've seen Jeremiah Love marked. I don't really know what they're gonna...
speaker-1: I'm gonna, I think I'm gonna go Arvel Reese here just because this is another team that were, kind of like probably a base three, four. This is a team where they could use off ball linebacker, you know, Mack Wilson, Cody Simon, Owen Papo. Okay guys. But they also could use some extra pass rush juice, Baron Browning, Zaven Collins, Josh Sweat, Bjo Jalar. It's an okay group, but they're looking for that holy shit guy. So I almost wonder if you could play Reese, kind like the jet situation where it's a three, four. You can play them at off ball while you're developing that pass rush plan. But then you're hoping by year three or four this. rookie contract window where you're like, okay, that's our guy. This guy is the face of our defense. He takes it over. And also as much as I do like Moe Noa here and I've like Reese was the pick at two. I'm fine with going Francis Moe Noa. ⁓ I honestly think once we get to their pick at 34, dude, one of the likes of Blake Miller or Maxi and Atchor is probably there. So I'm willing to take a shot. not getting a right tackle right now. I'll say we get it a little bit later. I'll go with the upside swing of the battle. I'll go Arval Reese and we'll try to get a tackle there at 34. If we don't have the move up for Ty Simpson too, because I think that's also You know, like their quarterback room right now is Jacobi Bresset and Gardner Mentschew. mean, w w w hold on here. Long, long game theory here. Long game theory. They had Marvin Harrison Jr. Could they just be getting arch to Arizona to do what Peyton and Marvin senior did just now? Could that be the long game here? You Gardner to
get there? I don't know. Maybe we'll see with that.
speaker-0: I love it, man. I can see it.
speaker-1: Titan ZR4, where do wanna go here?
speaker-0: Yeah, this one's tough. trying. I don't know why I can't remember who Dalton took for them. I was literally trying to find the screenshot because we did a match up last Monday. I was trying to it might have been it might have been David Bailey. ⁓ But I want to get cam ward a guy like a wide receiver one. Let's do it. But I don't know if this is too high. So Jordan Tyson is my number one wide receiver. I don't think he will go this high. I think he's going to be the best of the bunch though when it's all said and done. I think Karnell Tate will go higher. I don't.
speaker-1: You wanna go take a I can see, it's a fit I've been looking to do in a mock, so frankly you're kinda helping me out here. I think you need.
speaker-0: I need to get Cam Ward to wide receiver one. Like you need to get him to do. I would take, let's do, excuse me, Carnel Tate, pair him with Cam Ward, fourth overall. It feels a little high for Tate. I don't think that's where he'll go, but they still don't have that established wide receiver for Cam Ward. I almost think getting that to your young QB is most important this season. You could go edge again, David Bailey wouldn't be a bad pick. You know I love Sonny Styles, I think the world of him. I wouldn't take him that high, but again, if Titans came out of this with, like if Ruben Bane was there, I'm taking Ruben Bane. But he's not, so I'm going wide receiver to pair with Ken Ward. I think that helps him out.
speaker-1: Right. And I love it from a standpoint to like Jeremiah love feels like the name that kind of is getting into that spot a lot. But you look at the, Well, that too, they already have Pollard, they still have Spears, but also if they bring in love at the fourth overall pick and what the contract is there, he's one of the higher paid guys at that position versus if you go carnal tape, even at highest four dude, like that's, that's still a bargain. If he's as good as we think he's going to be, you bring in Wondell Robinson, that's your slot. Now we've got that physical X boundary ball winning vertical, a plain winning receiver.
speaker-0: resigned. Sorry.
speaker-1: I like I you Midori becomes kind of our Z flexible guy gadget player then and then she married DK. So I like a lot of how that kind of just shapes up that room a ton. So I actually really like that carnal take back. And to me, it makes a lot more sense than like love just from position value.
speaker-0: I think if they didn't need a guy right away, I would go Jordan Tyson. But which is we'll get to my Jordan Tyson. Cuz I do think he will have the best career. But year one, there are teams worried about his medical. So that's why I think Tyson will drop.
speaker-1: I agree totally. And the thing with Tyson is, think you're spot on. Let's just say he misses two games in all of his college career. Let's just change history. He's only missed two games in all of his career. He's probably the number two overall pick to the New York Jets. he's the next down to board. Exactly. And then he's the best route runner in the class. He's the best.
speaker-0: Cardinals, yeah, one of them. It's close yet. The flip on the tape for Tyson, he moves different. He separates different than the others. And it's like, as much as I love Cardinal Tate, I cannot put him on the same level as Tyson.
speaker-1: No, I agree totally. So I'm gonna get to the Giants here. So they bring back Jermaine Illuminore. You still could go Moe Noah just to get like a guard in there. I understand that David or the Caleb Downs excitement of that pick, but I'm still.
speaker-0: Bye. Fans didn't love the Evan Neal ⁓
speaker-1: Yeah, yeah, I know that. is he slated? I think he's just gonna be a backup. Who's there starting right now? Let's see Aaron Stinney with Evan Neil backing him up at right guard that sound
speaker-0: Whenever you don't know the name, that's never a good sign.
speaker-1: Yeah, and Stinny's, yeah, that's crazy actually. But then for the back-end side, like, I get where people are coming from, like this team needs that Kyle Hamilton type. I still like Javon Holland. I kind of feel like he's a superstar.
speaker-0: I down here last week at five. So if that's where you're going, I love it. It is high for safety.
speaker-1: understand. It's not even that he's a great football player, but I Javon Holland could be that Kyle Hamilton type. I'm still a big Javon Holland believer. I wonder if you go Sonny Styles here. I know they bring in Edmonds but like Edmonds has battled injuries. He also has never been really living up to the money. I think he's been paid in his career. So could you get both those guys? That's interesting. ⁓ if we don't go Moe Noah here, what happens to styles and then what happens to Moe Noah if we don't go with him here? ⁓ Do you want to draft a guard at five overall? That's kind of like the tough part here. want to do Stiles. Look, I know they drafted Tremaine Edmonds, but I Stiles is the best non-quarterback in this class. And between Edmonds' injuries, eventually you'll want to move on from that contract. Or, case scenario, Giants fans, you're running a 3-4 and you have two athletic freaks in the middle of your defense. Congratulations. That's a good place to find yourself, especially considering the front seven and where it's been the last two years. So I'm going to go with Stiles, best non-quarterback.
speaker-0: I like it. No, think he's going to be a, I think he's going to be an all pro defensive player for many years to come. I am praying styles falls to the Bengals, but I don't think.
speaker-1: Dude, that would be a home run. Yeah. 100%.
speaker-0: All right, number six. So last week, I think we had them taking Tate. I think Cardinal Tate fell here. ⁓ I think the Browns will come out of this first round with a wide receiver and a tackle. I don't know
which order though. I like Mau and Noah and I like Fano. I think that's probably the pick here. One of those guys.
speaker-1: feel like it's, don't know, just when I look at their free agency, and again, not to make the pick for you, they signed a left guard, a center, they made a trade for a right tackle. I'm kind of looking at Freeling and really just a conversation about, we think Freeling's worth the six overall pick? We know it's probably a better prospect, but it feels like they put themselves in a spot to get the guy of the future.
speaker-0: Yeah, fru- They have to take it's almost like you're there yet like they're choosing to take the project here. Let's go Monroe Freeling. His combine was dominant. He moved up the board so much and ⁓ I think that that's definitely a Browns pick.
speaker-1: And then what I did in my mock with Bray, I want to get your thoughts on this. We had the Rams and the Browns trade spots. The Rams come up to take Tate, which we couldn't do today. They couldn't do that today, but they get Tate to be a Devontae Adams replacement. And then the Browns ended up just taking Freeling at 13, probably where it's like a little bit better risk appetite wise. Brown's got an extra second round pick out of that. So I feel like it could work for both sides. But you know, obviously no Tate here. So we don't have to force that here. Commanders, I have
speaker-0: feel like the Ohio State connection would be perfect too. Like if Tate was on the board, I could see Cardell Tate easily being a player. I don't think he'll go as high as I took him to the Titans, but I guess I just, didn't love any other receiver there.
speaker-1: I had a mock, this was pre-Combine albeit, I had a mock where went to the Jets just because like we're in this time where it's kind of up in the air and then granted Orville Reese looks like an alien to the Combine kind of slid on the edge of roster. So he kind of solidified it there at the Combine. But right before that, I was like, dude, they need an ex receiver. I mean, why not go draft the best one here? And frankly, you feel better about drafting a receiver at two than a linebacker, but you it runs with an edge, then you're good with it. I'm going to take Jeremiah Love here at seven. I haven't done this yet in a single mock. I mean that that backfield same argument you make with Tennessee at four where it's Ken Ward and Jeremiah love. Holy shit. There's your backfield for 10 years. Same thing here in Washington, dude. This is a sick one, two punch. This kind of kills me a little bit as a dynasty owner for Jacory Krosky. But I'll live nonetheless. And then, you know, all signs kind of points to Brandon Iuk signing with this team, Terry McLaurin. You can probably find another receiver a little bit later on third, fourth round range. And they didn't so much work on that defensive side of the ball. They still need a corner, but know, Nick cross adding Leo Chanel, adding a couple different passwords, including a
dafet away. They've really kind of put some band-aids on that roster. So, you know, weirdly enough, I think they have the luxury pick here and Jeremiah love and just trying to boost that run game plus his passing ability next to JD five. So I'm gonna go love at seven.
speaker-0: did not think this player would still be on the board here. So last week I took Sonny Styles to the Saints, the New Orleans Buckeyes. They love their Buckeyes. Demario Davis replacement, perfect Demario Davis replacement. Styles would be, obviously he's not on the board here, so I can't do that. However, I'm going to take the next best player on the board. Star edge rusher from Texas Tech, David Bailey. I think David Bailey's a floor raiser in the NFL. And I think he's gonna, I think he's gonna be a difference maker on that defensive line for the Saints. They need D line help across the edge, cross D tackle, wherever. David Bailey's a floor raiser for the Saints. I love that pick.
speaker-1: I like it a ton and especially like three four base defense where you just had Chase Young kind of figure it out last year if Chase Young can build on that David Bailey's your other stand-up rusher. I I definitely liked Young Moore's A Prospect. But Hibito was a dark hue. mean, like, Hibito...
speaker-0: I just mean like they were kind of the hyped up sure dressers in college and they're just kind of subpar stats and a couple but they're they've been good just not great in NFL I would say but but Chase John starting to come around and Tim Bidot I think can get there too.
speaker-1: Intibito was also 21 years old when he got drafted. So we're kind at that point now where like he's coming into his body's maturity, know, like peak maturity, I guess. So like, I don't think you're crazy for that.
speaker-0: All right, ⁓
speaker-1: ⁓ who's here, man? What do I want to do here at nine?
speaker-0: They traded some corners, obviously. But I don't know if that's...
speaker-1: Yeah, and the tough word about that is like spags typically attacks that like third round and later. So I think that like, first round with it, but
speaker-0: So you might think this is crazy. Last week, I mocked them, McKay, Lemon at nine and Dalton thought that was like unfair because you're adding obviously McKay, Lemon to a team that's just signed Kev Walker, possibly getting Moe Homes back. But it was right before the McDuffie trade. like they would probably go corner now. I don't know if that's what Spags wants to do though, to your point. almost, yeah, I'm not sure what Chiefs are gonna do. I have no idea.
speaker-1: What I will say about my lemon, I did that once in a month, I had a lot, I had a good amount of pushback. Not that that's everything and why I stopped doing it, but I think this team still likes Rashi Rice. But that being said, like, dude, if you get any inclination, Rashi Rice is not getting a contract extension from this team. Draft my kind of lemon here and don't think twice about it.
speaker-0: A receiver. mean, Lemmon's not even my favorite of the bunch, but like, they need to get some pass catchers for the next era of Chiefs football. Cause I just, I feel like every year they kind of brush over receiver because of what my homes can do magic wise. it's like, sooner or later you're going to need one. So.
speaker-1: You still could draft a right tackle here. You Jalen Moore's in a one year deal. I'm kind of, I'm having Moe Noa stare me in the face and I'm like, some more Keeley downs, man. Like, Shmari Connors fine.
speaker-0: Pretty good value pick right there. If the Chiefs get Caleb Downs and he's just an all pro safety for them.
speaker-1: I think I'm going do it. haven't done it in a single market yet this year. And this is why I like doing that. I know exactly that. That's it. That's it. Sorry. So the Chiefs are playing defense here, knowing that they'll finally match up with the Bengals again in the AFC championship game. They're not going to let them take Gail Downs. Can't let the Ohio State, the Cincinnati pipeline live on. But frankly, I think about how the Chiefs use Tyrone Matthew. And I mean, Downs is a different player, not as athletic, but he's also bigger. Like, could you use him in that honey badger kind of playmaking box safety nickel roll? I think you could. So I'm gonna go kill downs there at nine.
speaker-0: I can't let me take him for the Bengals. I like it. I now have no idea who I'm going to take.
speaker-1: Make your life absolutely hell here at 10-9. We were in the same spot with Ray and not to sway you, but I Spencer Fonda with the idea of playing him at center. Now again, center at 10, that's not super sexy, but just as like a force amplifier for that run game. Hopefully someone to keep Joe up.
speaker-0: I've not heard him move in the center, but I've heard the guard.
speaker-1: We center workouts at the combine, but either one frankly feels like an upgrade for the Bengals.
speaker-0: Anything feels like an upgrade on their own line. think you're right. think Finoa is great value there at pick 10. Let's do it, Spencer.
speaker-1: That's what I'm saying. Let's go Spencer Fano there at 10.
speaker-0: Only cut, which I like my own know better as a prospect. I have a higher. I want to make that clear, but he's only right tackle. So like, don't think for no has been, I've heard all the rumors about him possibly playing inside. So that's obviously what the bagels need. You can probably take any position and they would be fine, but I want Joe to be protected for once in his career, please.
speaker-1: And I think like with one defensive pick probably probably into your defensive line in the second round. Last week. Yeah, what we're saying.
speaker-0: Dalton and I did a trademark, not all trades, but he traded the Bengals pick into 18 with the Vikings and we took Caleb Banks for the Bengals at 18, which feels like the most since they Bengals pick.
speaker-1: But let's just do it for Lee Hunter, like this run stopping
big body guy at 41. You're still needing your second year linebackers, super rough last year to take a step forward, but corners get healthy. You bring in, know, uh.
speaker-0: Corners are the best part of their defense, which is safe.
speaker-1: Yeah, low key Daxio and DJ Turner. Yeah. Yeah. And then you get Brian Cook from Casey, you can see a world where it's like, okay, the defense is getting closer back to where it's average. So yeah, I'm going follow at center. Rattlage then at left guard riser on a one year deal. Like, all of a sudden, you look at interior, you're like, okay, chase Brown might be able to do something here. like, okay, tier at 11. ⁓
speaker-0: Terrible. Not terrible. This pick is staring me in the face, I think.
speaker-1: I wonder what that pick might be. ⁓ It feels like you could, I mean, you probably go Moe Noah here and just play him in a right guard. ⁓ Cold Strain just don't ⁓
speaker-0: That Delaney McCoy. I think they need a corner.
speaker-1: But I wonder what that second route now granted granted you can look at this two different ways Because I also kind of want this team to take a receiver in the second rounds Which easier said than done they need like an extra steve who moves waddle off to the Z?
speaker-0: How do you think Malik Willis can do too? Let's on that too. What are your thoughts on him? Sorry, Malik Willis. What are your thoughts on?
speaker-1: On who, sorry. I'm interested in where that goes. I'm optimistic about that signing. Everything I had heard, it was Arizona or Miami, so I'm cool with either one. mean, frankly, I'd rather throw the targets in Arizona, but yeah, he ended up in Miami. I'm not mad about it whatsoever. Him and Devon Achan signed me up for that backfield all day. And in a lot of ways, I didn't think they'd spent too much on him either. I was kind of worried he might elevate in that $30-plus-million range.
speaker-0: I'm cool with that.
speaker-1: Yeah, exactly. Okay. So then, look, I don't think Jamari Sawyer is a great fit there at right guard for a Bobby slow like wide zone Shanahan S scheme. I always saw him more as a gap fit. Also Jonah seven I really rough first year. So I'm gonna go with my best player available to go CC Moe Noah. I like both the corners. ⁓ Five star recruits in Miami. mean, offensive line jerseys don't sell but that would be one that would actually get a few off the rack. But and then at
speaker-0: Green in ⁓ You buy what, yeah.
speaker-1: 42, we can either go corner or we go receiver. But I just look at Jeff Halfling, what he did in Green Bay and all the mock drafts where I was like corner, corner, corner, corner to Green Bay. Like he coached around that. So I almost wonder if he looks at that secondary and he's like, nah, they brought me in here to budget shop at corner. It's all about coaching. I wonder if he might view it that way. That being said, Darrell Baker and Storm Duck is your slated starters on our lads. Woof, that is rough, brother. So that is,
we might be going like Chris Johnson top of round two there for them. But I'm gonna go with CeCe. What do think here with Dallas at 12? This is a weird team.
speaker-0: doing this pick solely for Dalton Wasserman who made this pick last week. Dylan Theenum, give me him. Let's go. That's a floor raiser in the secondary, man. That dude's going to be a player in the NFL. I think Theenum's technique is phenomenal. I think his ball hawking skills are phenomenal. The guy is tough as nails. I mean, we're going to get all the like, Rodrigo Blankenship comps or whatever they'll say about him coming from Oregon, but
speaker-1: I know where you're going.
speaker-0: Flip on the tape for Theonamin, this guy's a stud. I think he fits the cobwebs. That's a little high. Now I know that's a high pick for a safety and I don't know if he will go that high, but in honor of Dalton Lossaman, I'm gonna do it.
speaker-1: Well, Dalton's been on the thenamen trade like all draft cycles. But also they haven't drafted safety in a long time. And you look at that defense, man, you know, they invested at edge, you know, last year in the second round with Ezraku, they have a 20th overall pick. It's still had a linebacker, but dude, like, and also Christian Parker coming from Philadelphia where they move those safeties around. want guys to able to play in the slot. Like thenamen in lot of ways, there's that versatile defensive back that Christian Parker might be like, yeah, that's my dude.
speaker-0: Train going. think his versatility, was either going to go him or Delane. Theenum's versatility gives him the edge for me. I know it's a safety versus DB. I just trust Theenum in a little more as just an overall defensive back over Delane. But Mansour is fantastic too. I don't think he'll fall too many more picks.
speaker-1: and then they signed a new player to play the nickel. Hold on. Let me let me pull this up real quick. So I was talking to Ray who is a Dallas, you know, he's he's located in Dallas. So one I'll let you know this got full applause from Ray. So Dallas fan did appreciate the Dylan Thevenin selection. They signed Koba Durant former Ram. He's a nickel guy. So Geron Bland probably plays on the outside and they have Kailin Carson, Chavon Ravel battle it out that other outside corner spot. Oh, you know, it's not great to still take a corner at 12. But like that's a livable room. The safety spot under they bring in Jalen Thompson. He's fine. That's a one year deal. You know, I think, I think you can shoot for a higher ceiling Athena, Ms. That speaking of shooting for the ceiling, dude, the Rams have their chips. I'm going Jordan Tyson. Yes. They have the infrastructure in a granite like DA missed time last year and he's getting up there at age. You really like for a healthy, you know, long-term, this is Tyson healthy plus Puka Nakua. That trio right now, Tyson, DA and you know, Puka they're all healthy. mean, good Lord that.
speaker-0: Do it! That's disgusting receiving
core. I made a TikTok about this. literally said on the TikTok, if Jordan Tyson doesn't play a game for you next season, you can still win the Super Bowl if you're the Rams. Yes. Then the value of that pick would be insane if he becomes anything years down the road. Like again, the talent is there. I understand the medicals. I understand the injuries. Watch the route running ability. Watch the catching, the jump, the jumping, the just juking dude's ability.
speaker-1: The body control and his intermediate route running are very Devontae Adams in and of itself. So it's like, that's the guy for him to like learn. If there were two people I could have Jordan Tyson work with in like a perfect world, it'd be Devontae Adams or in that mock I did with Ray, I had him go to the Vikings at 18. You know, Jordan Addison, like what's going to go on there? But like Justin Jefferson.
speaker-0: You got some from them. He's like Justin Jefferson route running ability in the intermediate. It's insane. Yeah. I think he's clearly wide receiver one. And I think if the Rams simply just took him there and not like that would be, that would be unfair to the other teams, but he might not even have to play for you year one because you got Pucca and Devante. So it's, it's such a luxury pick, man. I've been banging the table for that.
speaker-1: 100 % keep them on the West Coast. love it. Yeah, I'm totally here for it. We're here at 14 man.
speaker-0: So what do they need? mean, they don't need a pass harsher, but they still need one. They still kind of need one. And it's like, they wanted to pair Crosby with Hendrickson. Who knows how real that was. I think I still want to go, I still want go edge for them. I don't know about you. Cause I still don't think like, obviously Hendrickson's fantastic. He's going to help a ton. That was the big signing. Who knows if the Crosby trade, what happened there? If that was really.
speaker-1: What can I pitch you two names? And it's the Deek to replace Isaiah likely.
speaker-0: Sure. I'm not a Sadiq guy. I Stowers is way better. But that's just me. Yeah, that's just me.
speaker-1: Okay, then for that edge rusher. Interesting. What about as a door three, four base outside linebacker paramount with Hendrickson.
speaker-0: I Mezador and I think he's like today right now he could play in the NFL and be fine and probably be very good. Isn't he 26 years old though?
speaker-1: Already, you'll be 25 on draft night. dude, if you're the Ravens, you're trying to win now, man. Do you care? You just signed Dre Hendrickson. You're all in,
speaker-0: That is true. Alright, screw it, let's do it.
speaker-1: Sorry, that's the one.
speaker-0: He was amazing
speaker-1: shortcomings that Mike Green had last year, really his ability to play the run. Mezador brings a lot more of that to the table. So I think yeah, him and Hendrickson. Exactly. And the other name you could maybe I like Ken Sadik is like Isaiah likely replacement there, but he is.
speaker-0:
Trying to right this year. You like a mold, the likely mold, I mean that's...
speaker-1: Little bit bigger, little bit better inline potential, but he could be a likely replacement now, Andrew's replacement long term. So that's kind of my thinking there. But then Yolani would also make a lot of sense.
speaker-0: Other people might be in on Sadik. 14 is too high for me. I know he's gonna go first round. And I think I had him to the Eagles last week, but that was before they resigned Goddard. So we'll see where he ends up. But I'm a I'm Stowers guy over Sadik. But we'll see where that ends up.
speaker-1: And dude, method or would have been a good pick here for the box, but dude, look, not necessarily the biggest area need. Let me double check their death chart. I know they dropped CJ Allen. I don't hate that. I don't hate that. Breaking Alex, he's alone either. I don't know if you need it right.
speaker-0: ⁓ I know it's not- week. No, it's a bit high for CJ Allen, but it feels a different need than what Anzalone brings in the linebacker, but.
speaker-1: Zion McCombs up and down. Ben Morrison's injury history scares me. I'm going Mansour Delaney here. I'm going go with Mansour Delaney in cornerback.
speaker-0: He might be the best player on the board, so I don't hate that. Yeah.
speaker-1: Just like I look at how smooth he is and how technically refined he is. That's an NFL ready player. Like I feel like Todd Bowles would look at that and be like, yeah, that guy helps me win right now. And then dude, like being completely honest, a lot of my mocks, like the edge rushers available in the second round, Cassius Howells, Young, R. Mason Thomas, Gabe Ackes, Malachi Lawrence.
speaker-0: I think he's a top ten. ⁓ I think he's fantastic. Dude, his screen is ridiculous. ⁓
speaker-1: Is that Laurence? Dude, if you give them Lawrence in the second round, that's a perfect edge rusher for them. That's exactly what they need. So Delaine plus like that edge rusher.
speaker-0: I've been I'm earlier in the season when I think Tampa Bay was a little lower on the board on the track board anyway, like I had been mocking them are Mason Thomas that's I keep telling Trevor, you got to get our Mason in there somewhere probably second round. Yeah, now but like
speaker-1: He's Trevor's one of favorite players. It's too good. He's a buck. ⁓
speaker-0: He would fit a tie ball for sure. All right. This pick is easy for me. I mean, that's right there. Number 15, McKay Lemon to the Jets. If he's there, you got to take him. You got to add another receiver to the core. All you got is Garrett Wilson. So McKay Lemon, ⁓ he's not my bread and butter as a receiver, but other people seem to love him and he just won the Belinda cough. So the numbers are there. The production's there. ⁓
speaker-1: Yeah.
speaker-0: Great. It would be a great value pick for the, for the Jets. I don't think, I think they would sprint the card in if he's there at 16.
speaker-1: And then you have the option of
you could either run with Adonai Mitchell as your ex receiver off rip, or I wonder if they would end up double dipping and like third, fourth round, go get a Bryce Lance, maybe Elijah Surat falls or Ted Hurst Malachi feels one of those guys. Yeah, I feel honestly, so dude, like I'll be honest, like this is another lion spot. I've been saying about Spencer Fano here for lions. Like you want a Frank Ragnar replacement brother his name Spencer Fano, but vans off.
speaker-0: Freeling last week, but I don't think he'll be there. I Freeling, but again, that's probably only if he falls to them.
speaker-1: Yeah, and everything I've heard not that it's like, and all the all like words change, but everything I've heard is like, yeah, the the the the pick at six is going to probably be ⁓ probably gonna be Monroe Freeling. So with that, I do think then like no Taylor Decker coming back for the Lions. Yeah. Signed Cade Mays at center. So that kind of alleviates the Fano rag.
speaker-0: You gotta get want to hear your thoughts. Do they move Penne back to left or do they keep him at right? What are they doing? He's the best tackle in football, so it's honestly what does he want to do?
speaker-1: In a lot of ways because of that, just keep them where they are. Lomu was the left tackle at Utah, but I haven't, and also Connor Rogers interviewed Lomu at the combine and he is training on both sides, left and right. And the one thing with Utah, like he's really good in pass protection, his feet are great, but his outside hand sometimes it's really easy to just swipe and kill. So I was starting to think like that outside hand's weak enough to where like a move to the right tackle spot would be pretty seamless. A lot of times when you have that guy with a strong outside hand, you don't want to mess with that, but his is not really a strength so you could flip them. So I think you could do it and like it wouldn't floor me.
speaker-0: Funny because I have a lot of Lions fans in my life and all the ones I talk to are like, yeah, but Penney's a left tackle. You gotta move back to left. And I'm like, the best right tackle in football for like five seasons. I think he's good. Just keep him there. I don't think he couldn't do it. I'm not saying I would put it past him, but I wouldn't mess with Penney.
speaker-1: And that's Yeah. Like if we get to draft night and Mowie know was the guy that falls and he's here at 17. ⁓ my God. Take the card. That's then you're just going to flip Pene. He could do the Tristan work thing, but here, think in this spot, Lomu's left tackle. Pene has already been your right. I just keep the same,
speaker-0: The two best tackles that they're respected. Yeah. All right. 18. This is a new one for me because last week we had the bangle switch with the Vikings.
speaker-1: Hey, I'm the first trade. you think Minnesota will trade, we're. ⁓
speaker-0: No, I think it was only because Jeremiah love was there and I think Dalton really wanted love, but there's
no running back on the board. Who's worth it. There's no, they just trade for Kyler Murray. I'm going to go with a favorite player of mine, which they need a safety, Emmanuel McNeil warrant. That's my guy. Not Toledo rocket here. I keep hearing this guy's going to go only go higher and higher and Every mock I do with someone, he goes higher than the previous mock. So like, this might be the floor, like 18, 19.
speaker-1: Yeah. And when you look at Harrison Smith, he's the guy the Vikings most often move back and forth. So like McNeil Warren to me is like the guy to be that Harrison Smith. Both could do it. Both could do it. But like if you get to this spot, DT's gone. You know, it's like, ah, shit. We got to go to the other first round safety. Let's go get the EMW. I like that a lot. Panthers, man. I'm kind of glad it happened. Sadiq feels like the way to go here. They could go like Jermod McCoy and get on their corner. Mike Jackson, the star.
speaker-0: Love it. I really should have re-looked at the mock before I came into this because I was not prepared but I would have had a couple more picks in mind but...
speaker-1: Yeah, but I really changed in, know, the jail and Phillips now. Yeah, like don't worry about CJ. I think I'm gonna go came to deep man. Get him that third pass catcher in just a different area. Really good athlete. Good in line block. Not very Eric eager of me, but maybe I'm making the pick. We'll just say Dan Dan Morgan former tight end. believe.
speaker-0: Sorry. You need a true Tidan. Yeah. Who Eager take? would Dr. Eager take?
speaker-1: Eager is probably taking McCoy like a year ahead of Mike Jackson's contract expiring, premium position value, top-end corner, get $20-plus million. Odds are, or maybe on Terrell, like low key is like a slot corner, like that'd be kind of badass.
speaker-0: All right, how about you do the Cowboys pick here? Because I did the first Cowboys pick and now I'll do the next.
speaker-1: Let's have some fun here. I've been looking for kind of want the Dallas Cowboys to trade back. They got a third round pick because of the Osa Diggyzoo trade, but I kind want them to be to get second round pick, but I don't know who would come up here to be completely honest. I don't know who for either. Maybe Venga, maybe Jermod McCoy. would be the tough part. me, pardon me, kind of wants to go CJ Allen here. It's a little early, but him next to DeMarvin Overthrone is a really good one too. It's like that's ideal linebacker stacking. I'm going to do it. I'm going go CJ.
speaker-0: That felt as value and a need, it feels like.
speaker-1: And then you look at the spine of that defense between Theonamin and CJ Allen, like dude, the middle of that defense just got so much better with two guys like this. So I like a lot from that standpoint. So the Pittsburgh Steelers.
speaker-0: Alright, I'm off.
speaker-1: This kind of worked out perfectly. I definitely want you to go with here because he's here, but I will leave.
speaker-0: Your team's fan base. so the pick I'm going to make, hold on, I'm filling out the board on, I got my iPad on the side, filling out these same picks. So my uncle told me to make this pick. He's a big Steelers fan. If the player was available, that's Vega Ioane. We're going Olavavega, hold on, Olavavega Ioane. I think I got it right. I mean, he's the best interior lineman in the draft class, so it's not even close.
speaker-1: Perfect.
speaker-0: Unless Fennel becomes that in the NFL. But in terms of guard play right now, he's the best guard in the NCAA. It's not close. take the pick. That's the only need they need. Left guard. They have a big hole at left guard. That's perfect for Steelers fans. I hope you're happy after that.
speaker-1: ⁓ Once we got Vega to that spot, was like, ⁓ please God go Vega. And I think we can have fun with that team a little bit later on. We'll see. We may be picking up the phone for the Steelers. They have three third round picks. So they have ammo to get back in the first round. We'll leave it at that. ⁓
speaker-0: I feel like the Chargers will be pissed because that's who they would want at Guard.
speaker-1: I feel like they did a lot of that. They yeah. They've cleaned up a lot of work in free agencies, but now they've kind of earned the luxury of just like, who's the best player available?
speaker-0: I know, I can't believe McCoy is still there. I feel like I gotta go.
speaker-1: McCoy would be solid.
speaker-0: I gotta go Jermod McCoy. I don't think he'll be there. I don't think he'll be on the board at 22.
speaker-1: I do tree still cam heart and Notre Dame fan here love me some cam heart but those are like two day three guys who have exceeded expectations go take the upside but I like that Jermon McCoy I like that
speaker-0: His 2024 tape was better than Delain's 2025 tape. Yes. He would have been my CB1. Had he been fully healthy.
speaker-1: Philadelphia Eagles. This is an interesting squad, especially at this point. if they trade AJ Brown, like Denzel Boston sticks out like sore thumb. ⁓
speaker-0: Georgia Bulldogs on the board. Christian Mill has to hire.
speaker-1: Right. Honestly, like there's a place to get the best of Peter Woods. Like, is it that especially the trade jail and Carter like,
speaker-0: Peter Woods would be all pro for them in year two. I mean, it would be insane.
speaker-1: They signed a corner. Hold on. Let pull up their depth chart real quick. I feel like I'm forgetting something obvious. Yeah. Diggerson back for Yearling Johnson behind him. I mean, this could be the team that drafts mocks, you know, just to develop him behind Johnson.
speaker-0: It's not a bad idea.
speaker-1: I wonder if they still go one more edge rusher. Let me see what edge rushers are available. Cause I'm looking at this edge grid. It's fine. Like Nolan Smith and Joe looks hunt pretty good guys, Arnold, a biketty. And then it's, you know, it's like,
speaker-0: Falk is a project they could try to develop
him for a little bit. I'm not a believer in Falk, but I know a lot of others are in the tools he has.
speaker-1: Yeah, and they're like a three, four, so like a three, four outside linebacker, like, but Howell's already that.
speaker-0: Kesha's house so good, he had the shortest arms like they've ever seen. It's like not a good proxy. His production was elite. 13 sex.
speaker-1: I mean, someone's gonna take a shot on him. Someone's gonna take a shot on him top 40. I don't know if it'd be quite first round anymore, but like it's gonna happen top 40. I mean, we could have some fun and just go receiver for this team. I feel like it's going to piss off all the Eagles fans.
speaker-0: It shouldn't!
speaker-1: Dude, their receiver for right now is Darius Cooper, Danny Gray, Johnny Wilson. So really it just comes down to, do you want to like draft an AJ Brown replacement or do you want to?
speaker-0: I remember hearing about Johnny Wilson for years, about how good he was gonna be, and it was like, I'm not seeing it, I'm sorry.
speaker-1: And let's have some fun. go Denzel
speaker-0: Boston because I'm I got him a little lower in my wider.
speaker-1: I'll be completely honest. I have a receiver video coming out later. These two guys are ahead of him. But if one of AJ Brown gets traded, you need to replace that skill set. But to Devontae Smith is such a good slot receiver that I'm just thinking about like if you had two twin towers on the outside, Boston and Brown and then Smith in the slot, that's pretty ideal. That's pretty awesome. And then it could set you up long term. It's also like AJ Brown, we're getting close to that age 30 mark anyway. So if it's not this off season, it's let's just say two off seasons. Eventually you're passing the torch and it's Boston plus Smith long term. So
speaker-0: Okay.
speaker-1: That's kind of my way there of thinking. But Boston's I think he's a solid football player like yeah, and the Dalton is kind of competent to. Um, uh, Jayden Higgins from last year's class. I don't know if Boston is quite the top end speed like Higgins ran a 447, but really.
speaker-0: It feels slow to me. I don't...
speaker-1: I think he's got build up speed. Like I think you see his speed 25 yards down the field. And I think he's got a good first step off the line of scrimmage. Like he's got a decent release package, but he's also the one of these guys that like, especially like in breaking routes, it kind of drives me crazy. The longer the route goes on, the less open he gets like in a perfect road. It's the other way around. So like maybe you do go over Cooper Jr. Here as like a compliment Z slash slot option. So you definitely could, but I'm gonna go Boston here.
speaker-0: So speaking of Omar Cooper, that's my next wide receiver. I want to take them to the Browns here because I think they absolutely have to come out of the first round with a tackle and a wide receiver. They absolutely have to. If you do it in the other inverse order, I'm
fine with that. Omar Cooper is a stud. The guy's stock only kept rising throughout the playoff. Just the type of acrobatic catches he can make. I mean, the Penn State catch alone almost like locked him in the first round, it felt like. And then the run he just went on in the playoffs, the body control, the way he gets his feet down. mean, he can catch like, yeah, fantastic receiver. It's to be instantly their wide receiver one, which is kind of sad, but.
speaker-1: State of that franchise, unfortunately. From everything I've heard, the people, even with this new coach, they like Cedric Tillman. They think he's a good football player. He's just not often out there. So in this world, get to keep spinning the wheel on Cedric Tillman, see what he is, and then Cooper becomes our Z slash slot. And we're taking snaps away from Jerry Judy. mean, I really can't plod you enough. That's a win for humankind. I'm going go with Cedric Tillman. I'm going to go with Cady McDonald there. And think we'll get one back for 56.
speaker-0: Win, win, win. Yeah, that pic's obvious.
speaker-1: Yeah, I think we can get linebacker at 56 and then safety right around that range too. So very defensive focus draft here for the Bears, but I'm okay. McDonald younger cheaper version of Andrew Billings. Now before you get into the bills here, could I interest you in a trade up from the Steelers? The bill's currently at picks 26 and 91.
speaker-0: So you're trying to get something for the, you're trying to get a receiver for the Steelers?
speaker-1: I'm thinking Ty Simpson. thinking we're doing the Jackson Dart of it all. We have three third round picks.
speaker-0: Okay, all right. So let's let's get into just Ty K. Simpson conversation because I recent weeks I'm I'm falling off a little bit. I'm not out completely. I think I'm no longer having him in my first round.
speaker-1: Do
speaker-0: Tell me why he is a first rounder.
speaker-1: Yeah, well, one, just kind of look at his situation and one, just so you have an idea. I think this would be about what it takes. 53, their second round of this year, and then one of those three third round picks. Maybe it takes both. Might take two, but right now I think 53, 76, the Bills would then move from 26 back to 53, gain 76 and they have picked 91. So that's kind of my thinking, two top 100 picks for the Bills, they get an extra one just by moving back. But it might honestly take more. We can even give them pick 99, two third round picks for the move up for the Steelers. But my line of thinking here for Pittsburgh is. One, like even if Rogers does come back, like what's the long-term answer there and don't start with me on this Will Howard shit. He's a six round pick. He's a career backup. Like that is not a future. I'm a hater. a hater. I'm hater. But okay. And then even look at those two guys in their college situations. One guy's throwing a Jeremiah Smith and Mick Egbuca.
speaker-0: I see I'm- Well Howard got- Good,
speaker-1: Carnell T
two great running backs ago in the top 40 left tackle that when he was playing as a top 30 player top 10 player in the draft goes top first round, know, Donovan Jackson guard gets drafted the top of the second round versus Ty Simpson this year like that's easily the worst running back or run game I've seen from Bama in my lifetime. Yeah. they have worse who's a good player in Jeremy Bernard, but he's like a compliment number two, not a arm of the win this game number one. So like, just look at his situation and then you drop him in Pittsburgh and he's got DKs got Michael Pittman. He's got a couple of good backs. We just drafted a guard. So the offensive line is looking good. A couple of decent tight ends. Mike McCarthy is your play caller, you know, like, and also I think McCarthy can kind of squint and see a little bit of Dak Prescott, right? In shorter, 20 pounds lighter, but like attacks the middle of the field can move a bit plays with good touch. You know, like there's just enough there where I'm like, he's going to squint and see.
speaker-0: He's definitely a better athlete than people give him credit for. think people are thinking he's a statue and like can't do anything on the run. And that's definitely not true for Tessa. Like he can definitely do, he can move and he's mobile for sure. He's not dual threat. He's not.
speaker-1: running. Dak pre injury like pre injury. He can move a bit. So I just wonder if he sees like enough Dak Prescott here. And then like again, passing the tour to only a 15 college start. We have Rogers, we kind of have the infrastructure to make it okay. Do I love giving up two third round picks? No, but we would still be having picked 21, pick 26 and pick 85. So three picks in the top 100. Just like most teams. So we want to the trigger on this up to you. I'll let you decide to the build back. That's a long way for the bills to move back to
speaker-0: for my counter to the Will Howard argument because I think if the plan is to just draft Ty Simpsons, I think if the plan is to use that much draft capital to trade up for Ty Simpson, Ty Simpson is only nine months younger than Will Howard. ⁓ I looked that up last week because I was kind of in this debate too with Dalton because Dalton has no interest in Will Howard at all. we already had the same debate. ⁓ am interested in Moulinard. I think there's not much difference between him and Ty Simpson personally. ⁓ I did think there was some validity to the run, the playoff run he went on. don't, I think some of the throws he was making were incredible and like on the money and sure he was throwing us superstars like, yeah, it's all right. But I kind of give him like a little Brock Purdy pass on that. Like he's still the one making the throws and like, I'm happy with that. I'm thrilled. You know, a Carson Beckish game manager. You know, we, we'll get there, but ⁓ I'm still glad he did the throws versus not. Like he didn't collapse in the biggest moments on the biggest stage
in the championship game. I do think that matters. I'm going to decline this trade because I'm a Will Howard guy. I think if, I think if you're banking on Ty Simpson as your future savior, I don't think that's a good plan. And I think you end up in the same purgatory. I would rather just give Will Howard a shot. And if he sucks, then you go three and 13 or three and 14 and you draft Arch Manning next year or Sam Levin.
speaker-1: If we got Rogers back, don't we just like crash and burn if we have to and there's plenty of quarterbacks next year too. So there you go.
speaker-0: best case scenario. I do think there is a little intriguingness to Will Howard. think the Tye Simpsons is nine months younger. That's all I can say on that. I know the age gets weird and some people don't worry as much about developing QBH. Renner doesn't care about age. He says once you can play, you can play and you're fine.
speaker-1: Nah, I'm not really worried about the age. I'm not... Fuck! ⁓ I care more about that!
speaker-0: Like I'd rather draft a younger kid in college who has a little more time. But when it's that close to me, it's like, like people keep telling me the same with Carson Beck acting like he's like 28. Beck is 23. Beck is one month younger than Ty Simpsons. Excuse me. One month older than Ty Simpson. So that's where I'm like, I don't know, but sorry. That was a long winded conversation. Don't be a receiver anymore here. ⁓
speaker-1: No, So I think you're gonna go.
speaker-0: Again, I don't... I mean, they might trade this pig because they don't really have like...
speaker-1: What about Lee Hunter? It's a little early.
speaker-0: They need an edge like they definitely need it. It's probably going to be. Sorry, I'm not going to think back to the bills because my mindset was on the Steelers so.
speaker-1: You're good.
speaker-0: looking at the board.
speaker-1: And they could use a guard so like they could go left guard.
speaker-0: It could be a Peter Woods team, even though I think he's falling. It could be a Caleb Banks team.
speaker-1: could be Caleb Einstein. I think they're looking for like a nose tackle. So that's my only hesitation with those two guys. But you know that versus Lee Hunter, then you know, do you want to have Lee Hunter beef idea one off the board? You know, that's I don't know.
speaker-0: They could still go edge too. don't know. Joey Bosa is not, mean, one, he's not, he's old.
speaker-1: ⁓ yeah. It is a rather job.
speaker-0: Who's not that great anyway. I don't love TJ Parker, but I like him over the other edges here. I don't like Caldrick Falk and we know how it's probably not going to go first round. Give me TJ Parker to the bill. It feels like a mid pick to me, but it feels like a high floor guy.
speaker-1: And then Rousseau, ⁓ Hey, I think Bill's fans are going to wish they took that trade. I'll be honest with you. that being said, being said, this team is looking to win now and that's a team that should be up 10, you know, in the fourth quarter. So to have a rotation of pass rushers, that is always a good problem.
speaker-0: That's fair, yeah. This team was looking to win six years ago and they still haven't. So I'm like, I will never pick the bills to make it for the playoffs, but that's just me.
speaker-1: I'm gonna go with team Proctor here for the final.
speaker-0: I love Proctor. I'm a believer.
speaker-1: It's a lot of minute left guard. And then when the time comes, he takes over for Trent Williams.
speaker-0: Let him train with Trent Williams every day. They can be like roommates. It can be Rocky and Creed. And then in three years from now, he could be Trent Williams, maybe. Exactly.
speaker-1: Exactly. End. I love it a ton. And frankly, like, if you're gonna pay Trent more money, yeah, like the mentor role, guess what, buddy, with more power comes great, more responsibility, buddy, more money, you're gonna be a mentor now. So you're working with Gaten Proctor day in and day out.
speaker-0: Alrighty. ⁓
speaker-1: Yeah, Houston at 28. Yeah.
speaker-0: So I accidentally just clicked the wrong player on mine. So I accidentally took Blake Miller to the Niners, which I don't hate Blake Miller to the Texans actually. Yeah, I cannot. ⁓ wait, no, new setting.
speaker-1: Can you undo pick on or using the PFF model? Yeah, new setting. I discovered it live a couple weeks ago. was like, ⁓ shit.
speaker-0: How much they've accomplished since I've been gone. I mean, it's amazing. Let's Blake Miller. Yeah, I think they need help on the O-line. I don't love their O-line. I think it's actually an inferior offensive line, if I'm being completely honest. And they traded Titus Howard, who's another tackle. So let's get Blake Miller. He has been rising throughout the pre-draft process. He has been rising a ton. I think we're going to get a lot of Clemson guys at the back end of round one. That's my prediction.
speaker-1: So you like Blake Miller here, I like-
speaker-0: You might get like three in a row.
speaker-1: I think so too, because it's kind of a tough class to not look at a lot of these guys in a two-year sample size. Like it's kind of hard because there's each one, especially when you get to second round, there's always these, there's that one little wart on the prospect where you're like, yeah, well, but, but I think a lot of those clumps of guys, there's me like Miller's a little different than like TJ Parker, but like Parker, you'll look back and be like, ⁓ yeah, but that's that 2024, 25 tape. can't forget about that. You know, I remember hearing the scene where-
speaker-0: I do grain of salt for 2025 tape that that whole team quit on each other for this season.
speaker-1: But Miller definitely took a step forward this year. we all have. And you look at what Houston could do at 38 defensive interior wise, Banks, Woods, Miller, Lee Hunter. One of those four will be there. So like, kind of love it for scaling their needs, like attacking one before the other. Yeah.
She's Swin Caleb Downs. Who that is freaking fun, man. just want to take a quick look at receiver. I think we could, if we really wanted to maybe we do like Chris Brazile afforded. That could be kind of fun. Find that extra receiver type.
speaker-0: The players did not.
speaker-1: I do feel like defensive line is probably something we should look at here. Could use a little bit of extra pass rush juice. Could also use an interior guy. Could this be the Peter Witt spot? Could this be the team?
speaker-0: think he will go first round still. still think Peter Woods will go first round.
speaker-1: And I know they brought in Kyra's Tonga, but one woods at his best in Clemson was playing inside and out played edge and IDL.
speaker-0: Adam had edge two years ago and it was like why is he at
speaker-1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Chiefs are the same thing with Chris Jones. like literally like all right three years ago or whatever it was like we're gonna play mid-edge and it was like good but he's also on So I almost feel like similar career paths here and like that could be a place that keeps Pure Woods locked in day in and day out. So I'm gonna go Pure Woods there.
speaker-0: All righty. All right, Broncos. Let's see now. I had them as a Sadiq team for the longest time, but Sadiq probably won't be there anymore. And I like Stowers, but I don't I wouldn't take him round one.
speaker-1: The last two mocks I went on someone's show and then we just had Ray on each of those mocks. took stowers here at 30. So I don't think you're crazy. Yeah, they did.
speaker-0: I do it. The last hour span like number one. like, I think he's the best tight end in this class. I think he's the best.
speaker-1: What did you- Which, that is a great one.
speaker-0: I think Sadiq's fantastic too. The production has never been there with Sadiq and it's always just been an idea and a project and the athleticism, he just did the combine and then Sadiq Dowers tested the same, maybe even better in some tests. like that's where I'm like the kind of match. It's the blocking though. The blocking is the weakness. I don't know the size is the weakness and that will ultimately be the question.
speaker-1: See you talk. This team played Evan Ingram. clearly, they can't that much of a care about blocking. They can't deal with it either way. And then like my other point to bring up here is like, dude, like everyone kind of saw R.J. Harvey is like, that's the third round running back. Everyone's crushing on. And then Sean Payne was like, I'm taking him in the second thing. then like Pat Bryant was like, he's like, oh, that's a fourth round receiver. then, know, Sean Payne was like, oh, that's my third round guy. So like here at 30, I wouldn't be surprised if he was like, that's my taste in Hill replacement. He's a little bit lighter, but quarterback turn-tide end, freaky athlete.
speaker-0: the compared,
speaker-1: Dude, like he's gonna get the Tyler Warren goal line direct snap. Like he's gonna get that at least once next year.
speaker-0: know who I heard this from, but it was probably Trevor Renner, one of the wise draft analysts, but it was like, if you can get your guy, go get your guy. Like don't overthink. Like when you have identified a prospect you like and you want him in your locker room, go get him. Don't worry about what other teams, because I have heard teams draft boards will vary from other teams boards like night and day. it's like, like Dan Campbell's draft board is probably unlike a lot of teams draft. and they probably value other factors that like the Steelers, I've heard they do a very different pre-drive process so a lot of fans don't love this.
speaker-1: That's nice. Yeah. Well, we'll leave it at that.
speaker-0: We're round two? I didn't know I was doing round two.
speaker-1: Oh, yeah, we're doing a two rounder brother. Sorry, man. Sorry, man. We're gonna test your depth here. Oh, yeah, sorry. No, we'll pick up the base. We'll pick up the base. That tends to be the case, right? Like the first for you guys to talk about you have so much to talk about because there's so much conversation we had and then you get down the rest of the board. Patriots, this is a tough spot. We put them in.
speaker-0: I had another hour then. Get him a receiver dude Drake still needs a receiver
speaker-1: the dobs and Kyle. I was a Kyle Williams guy too. That's kind where I'm like.
speaker-0: I think Williams will take a step. I like Dobbs, but I don't think he's a wide receiver one. Like I still think they need a one for Drake.
speaker-1: In my thinking is like Dobbs is just gonna be your sacrificial ex kind of like what he was in freaking New England or Green Bay and then like this is Kyle Williams Kyle Williams about to come to dude like that's kind of where my head's at like Kyle Williams about to be a dude, but I'm I'm kind of looking at Edge dude like Harold Landry, they still bringing Draymond Jones who's good I'm also looking at corner like Carlton Davis and then Christian Gonzalez, but after those two guys, it's a whole lot of nothing
speaker-0: He's gonna take a big step. They still gotta pay Gonzo, right?
speaker-1: Yeah, I got to pay gonzo. Yeah. And then like Carlton Davis missed so much time anyways. You know what? I kind of want to go Malachi Lawrence. I'll be completely honest with you just to be like, that's where I'm to go. I'm to go Colton hood. And I think look like Carlton Davis is not going to play set. They want now.
speaker-0: Yes. Call in the hood or turret
speaker-1: of the series. Make it happen. It's always fun. Like I had a senior ball, a of tweets about Lee Hunter and then coach McGuire was liking and retweeting a few of them. And I was like, this is odd. This is a space I'm not used to being in, but ⁓ know, honestly, I Colton hood long-term that's your compliment to Gonzo. And then like, let's be completely honest. If Carlton Davis plays 17 games next year, you can clip this out and say I was wrong, like that
was a long time. This is some injury insurance for that spot real quick before you make this pick with Seattle. I ⁓ throw a name in your way? Sure. They just lost Kobe Bryant in free agency. Tell me Avian Torello is not that same type of.
speaker-0: think that's who I took last week with Dalton. yeah, let's go Terrell. Terrell is a first round corner. He's gonna go in the first round.
speaker-1: Moving to free safety honestly sounds kind of awesome.
speaker-0: I think I took a corner, might have been Terrell ⁓ with them, or Dalton Ed in Seattle, but I wanna say it was Terrell. Yeah, no, I'd lock that in.
speaker-1: I got up and I also like Kendrick Falk is like I was doing some body comp comparison between him and Tank Lawrence coming out of Boise State. Very similar. So I wonder like one more year of Tank Lawrence. You just let Falk learn behind him for a year and then eventually you just keep a strength of strength. Let that run defense kick ass and turn the torch over. ⁓ man, New York, Jess, we went with McKay Lemon and Ruben Bain in the first round.
speaker-0: first round hall if the Jets come out with that Dalton would like Bain and Lemon at 16 would be the most value you could get out of the draft in my opinion you will end up with those two players
speaker-1: Four razors. 100%. So now don't Fun here. think the middle that defense can get better. I have Joe Sine Trotter off all I'm back or three but dude I think Rodriguez might see around I'm gonna go Jay Rod there. Give them that anchor the middle the defense playmaker I'm gonna go Jay Rod there.
speaker-0: Dude, he's getting higher on draft boards. I love that he's raising because he's the guy that people overthink and it's like, ⁓ shoot, I only did a one round mock on my mock draft, a mind. So I'll just have to follow your.
speaker-1: Follow my screen, follow my screen. Do we want to go with that right tackle here for Arizona? You're not.
speaker-0: Yeah, think they need you. Low moving costs.
speaker-1: Exactly,
speaker-0: I wanted I heard all so I was I wrote a lot about Arizona State this past season. That was my my like team like I think preseason that I was in on Levin and Tyson and you I didn't think he was going to be the you know, turn into the tackle that he is but so I was watching a lot of their football really in the season and reading up on them and Cardinals fans like were raving about Tyson earlier in the season how that's who they want at be a little high at pick number three, but if somehow they ever got Jordan Tyson, know Cardinals fans would be thrilled. But Eionature, I got it right, Eionature.
speaker-1: over them. Yes. Yeah. Nailed it.
speaker-0: You'll be thrilled with that too, so there you go.
speaker-1: May I?
speaker-0: I gotta go edge here. I gotta go edge.
speaker-1: Okay. I don't know, man. feel like Jermaine Johnson, Samuel Dejo, Jacob Martin.
speaker-0: Scroll down the board a little.
speaker-1: Yeah, yeah, I know, totally. What do we think about Interop's
of Loush? Just looking at their guards and centers.
speaker-0: Your looks are the-
speaker-1: Yeah, I'm looking at their starting center right now.
speaker-0: Get your main Johnson.
speaker-1: Yeah, they're starting center right now is Austin Schlotman and they're starting right guards cordell volson who I know you can speak plenty on as a former since I'm almost like, dude, do you go like center guard here? I haven't done that in a long
speaker-0: I that interior alignment.
speaker-1: Oh yeah, here you go. got you. I'm going to put it the tackles in here too, just because there's a couple like guns as a guard to me.
speaker-0: That's too high for Connor Lou. Sam Hecht is awesome. ⁓
speaker-1: I wouldn't rule it out, man. I really wouldn't.
speaker-0: him and slaughter are my two favorite Sam Hackens and Jake Slaughter are my two favorite interior well my two favorite centers ⁓ let's go Sam Heck yeah I like him more than ⁓ Emanuel Pregnan I guess for where that's I know he's lower on the big board but
speaker-1: Okay, I'm your step. No, but totally. Like, can you do?
speaker-0: think heck and slaughter are the two best centers in the class. about that? That's my take. Sam, that might be way too high at pick 35, but. ⁓
speaker-1: No, man, dude. feel like just saw it. think NFLSE, they had him go second round. can remember to who, maybe Sincy. They might've done it here at 41 to be completely honest with you. they're in the NFLSE team. Dude, he's rising. He's a big time, right? And also like in terms of lines, kind of hard to gauge. Sometimes you'll have like, you'll have a cold strange versus like a team.
speaker-0: wide open need that like the Steelers have a huge hole at left guard so it's like don't overthink it you gotta like we are I know draft is for value free agencies for need that the old saying but like you still need replaceable players level players like you need professional linemen
speaker-1: You need real football players. Yeah.
speaker-0: Not these 2K generated, not these 2K generated players who I don't know their names.
speaker-1: think I gotta go defensive interior here. There's safety rooms and master that's a little early.
speaker-0: I they'll take Caleb back. feel like Banks will be gone by now, which is why he like... He's polarizing, but I feel like some teams gonna bite.
speaker-1: They might go here. Let's do it. He's the guy this whole process and then like he breaks his foot again and it's just kind of like, you know, I to say it.
speaker-0: Do you take Sonny Styles here? Alright, go back. ⁓ Let's see.
speaker-1: We took styles of life. We still got Casey on the board. Maybe I could have that.
speaker-0: I mean, they added some receivers. They lost Juan Deo. Yeah, neighbors is coming back off injured. Concepcion's, we love the guy. Give me Casey, help Jackson Darn out. They need to get some real receivers. I'm not sold on Jackson Darn yet. I'm not sold that he's a franchise QB. So like you got to make his life as easy as possible this year. ⁓ Casey Concepcion can do that. Great slot guy, but not just a slot guy. He showed that this season that he can also play out wide. and do more than just a slot, which kind of NC State had him only doing. If you're unaware of KC Concepcion or you haven't watched him yet, go flip on his highlights. He's one of the most fun players to watch. I know that's cliche to say, but with him, I actually mean it. And I know TJ loves him too. So take it from both.
speaker-1: That's the old two for one drafts sin right there hashtag fun to watch. come on Mike. I do think like. KC played 65 % of his snaps outside last year actually so.
speaker-0: Save your likes. Save your likes. know. Everyone just thinks he's a slot guy. It's like, no, he can do
speaker-1: And I think you just double down. Like you take a big body X and you direct Bryce Lance in the fourth round and like, okay, there's our sacrifice. Concepcion plays the neighbors is like all world slot stuff or PO heavy offense with Matt Nagy. think Casey would be bad ass there. Houston. I'm going to Christian Miller do like this multiple ball of clay for the Mika Ryan's the one spot where I think they can use some improvement is the middle of that D line on the run defense side. Miller plus Tommy Toghia. I signed me up for that. I think that's the tan. We get it done and then pass rush potential. Like I wonder where he is in three years. working with Tameka Ryan. So let me get back to the Browns. What do you want to do here? Yeah.
speaker-0: I think I'm gonna go back to interior line here with Prignaan. I think that's a very good pick for them at 39 if he's there to shore up that interior. You got the tackle you needed, you got the wide receiver you needed, now you take the guard you need. Don't take my quarterback. Don't take, don't do it. I pro, don't do it.
speaker-1: Take a quarterback, going to be next year. Like be bad this year. Take the swing of the bat next year. rehire Hugh Jackson just running back one more time 2017. ⁓
speaker-0: I a little, I can't believe I'm saying this about Shadr Sanders, but I still am a little intrigued that something might be there. He could be good. I think you have to see it one more year.
speaker-1: Yeah, no, and that's part the advantage of yeah, like worst case scenario, three and 14 and we're drafting art or or sellers, whoever it ends up being or he's awesome and you have a fifth round quarterback hit. You have the most valuable quarterback contract in the world. You like you win and it's like.
speaker-0: Like based on Mel Kuiper who blew a gasket when he fell, like he thinks he's going to be the next paid manic. So we'll see. So no, I agree though. I thought Sanders showed enough to be intrigued enough to see one more year. That's probably the worst compliment I could ever give a quarterback. But it's like, it wasn't bad enough to give up yet.
speaker-1: I agree. I agree. And then for the pregnant pick there too, like Tevin Jenkins is I
think it's only a two year deal like low cost. know, so like they could easily be
speaker-0: As much talent as you can get on that Ola.
speaker-1: 100 % for the chiefs here. thought about Chris Brazel because he's kind of like the ex field stretch that they haven't had. That's also that's also Chris Bell. And to be honest, I think I have a first on griddle Chris Bell just as like a player. He's like, and stuff like that. But I just love the multiple ball of clay we got 61223.
speaker-0: He's going to Dude, his straight line speed is underrated.
speaker-1: And then also his buildup speed yards after the catch and he's an athletic guy and he reacts well. So it's just about refining that, you know, route running. I think we got something there. And frankly, if he didn't tear his ACL in November, I think he's a first round guy. to get him out the water, that's the physical ex-receiver the Chiefs don't have. So I think I'm going to take a shot on
speaker-0: And if you're worried about the production from Chris Bell, the quarterback play was horrendous this season.
speaker-1: And in a lot of ways, perfect place for Chris Bell would be going down to 42 and reuniting with Tyler Schuck and just running it back just to New Orleans. That would be sick.
speaker-0: There you go, yeah. Dude, I can't believe Shuck was this good. don't know whether you had him in your quarterback. There you go. I would have to go back and look what I had, but it wasn't that high. I know that. So all right, Bangles, my team. So you show me who we picked earlier. Okay, Fennel.
speaker-1: Yes, ⁓ Yeah. Here, I'll you direction here too real quick.
speaker-0: Yeah, they definitely need. I mean, I was looking at defensive interior anyway. I feel like they need to detackle out of this Lee hunters, the guy right there. Let's do it. That's a that's that's a high floor player in this draft. know, we hunter doesn't have the ceiling, but he helps establish some ⁓ difference maker on your line. And it's like, okay, because the Bengals online TJ Slayton was not the answer. So they need all the help they can get in D-Tackles.
speaker-1: And like you look at this draft, a center, we're calling them that in theory in Fano, and then a nose tackle in Lee Hunter. This team has so much skill on the outside. We talked about their corners as probably the best part of their secondary. Their offense is all about the perimeter guys plus Burrow. This team needs to get better at the point of attack. Spencer Fano, there it is.
speaker-0: Yeah. Yep. So many players want the, or so many teams want the flashy pick, I feel like. And it's not a sexy pick, taking an interior defender at 41, but it's a safe pick and it's a smart pick, which is something the Bengals do not do. So maybe they should try it based on their past.
speaker-1: You gotta try it. Honestly, at this point, man, I don't even think we need to force the tie Simpson thing. He's probably just gonna make it the Steelers at 52 or 53. I didn't even realize he's still on the board.
speaker-0: Yeah, I haven't been thinking on that. So like, I'm not not a tie Simpson guy. I guess I'm just not racing to pick him in this draft.
speaker-1: Well, the reason I bring it up is I wonder if this would be a spot where the Saints, kind of could use 11 picks to get a guy that's a better value here. So maybe I'll do it here. Let me see how much the expense, let me see how much, how much this would cost the Steelers to move up. Cause look, mean, like, look, if Ty Simpson's declaring this year, he had first round grades. He was getting worried that he's going to be a first rounder. So it's like a little, if we didn't have him go, but moving up, that's a hundred and. Yeah. Let's see. And also like.
speaker-0: I wanna get him on the Steelers.
speaker-1: The ideal fits here for New Orleans. would say Chase Basantes, but they just signed David Edwards to a bag. The guy they'd get at 53. You feel a lot better about the value there. And then for Pittsburgh, I know this is going to piss off all the Sealer fans. Well, for 53 and only caution 99, you still drafted 76, 85 to go get your guy trade would be accepted by both sides. Things you love to see draft a player and we'll make.
speaker-0: fans might be more mad at me for suggesting Will Howard as their starter, so.
speaker-1: No, honestly, I think I don't know if they like the on board for the Will Howard thing over Ty Simpson. Even if it's just like taking them at 21. No draft picks. Yeah, like I get the sense from Ty Simpson and Keldrick Falk are the two guys and any draft if I mock them to your team, I'm waiting for your comment. I already know you're upset with the pick like it's come I know you're different Seattle Seattle. That's the one place where like nobody really like batted an eye at that. So I think I might be on to something there. So but everyone who gets
speaker-0: hate you. I got a couple of Bears comments, got a couple of Cowboys. Cowboys comments are always coming out, but yeah. Unless you get worst mock ever, it doesn't actually count.
speaker-1: Ferris Bands is an active on YouTube too. Which Steve Palazzolo always has the best suite every year. He takes a screenshot of the real first round mock or the first round and then just captions it with worst mock ever and it works. It's always.
speaker-0: When Steve just tweets the eyes.
speaker-1: Yes, yes, the random eyes just to get people thinking, yeah, I love it.
speaker-0: No context, nothing. Like middle of the Tuesday, just eyes.
speaker-1: The amount of times I've seen that tweet and then been like, ⁓ God, what'd miss? Yeah.
speaker-0: Yeah, I'm like, what do we do? Who do sign?
speaker-1: So now I turn it to you with the Dolphins at 43. went C.C. Moino in the first round. So Christina or Clarion.
speaker-0: upgraded their secondary. So you know more about the specific like schemes that the the Dolphins are running for. I would take Ponce here. Would that not fit their scheme?
speaker-1:
think it'd be fine. I think they're probably looking for an outside corner. Let me see who they might have.
speaker-0: He's undersized and I know he's more of a slot corner, but he's such a dog, man.
speaker-1: Well, dude, here's the thing. Let me read you their starting quarterback room, starting with the outside, Darrell Baker Jr. Storm Dark, Juju Brantz, Alex Austin. Not great. Here are the guys in the nickel, Jason Marshall Jr. and Ethan Robinson. All this to say, you can't go wrong. You can't go wrong. ⁓
speaker-0: Give me Pons. I think he's just, I think he's the best of the bunch in that on the board still. I'm I like Cissé, but I'm not taking him over Pons.
speaker-1: And I also think Ponds plus Moe Noah, that's a culture draft. Those are two guys that are mean mugging, know, like making all the. Yeah, great point. Great point. National champions reuniting in Miami, ironically enough. Card Rock reliving.
speaker-0: each other like mean, if the Dolphins come out with ponds and mountains, like, yeah, that's fantastic.
speaker-1: Jets here. I'm going to go Brandon C.C. I think we've gone limelight over edge. We yeah, I'm going to go corner. ⁓ I know they got to Sean Wright, but that's a one year five and a half million dollar deal. And it's going to go one of two ways from a Sean Wright. And this is like I hope it goes one way more than the other. He's either going to go double down on what he did last year. Five and a half picks, two forced fumbles and his contract next offseason is going to be three years and it's going to be 15 million dollars a year, not five and a half. Or he's going to have regression in turnovers. and he's going to hit the market next year and not have a huge market. So either way you spin it, I don't see Nashawn Wright probably back with the Jets. And if he is, he's on a super cheap contract. So I'll go with Brandon Cisse to eventually be that guy on the outside.
speaker-0: All right, so we took Edge, we took Mezador. I think this.
speaker-1: This is where we ask.
speaker-0: I was gonna say we need a pass catcher here. Well, I'm looking at receiver. Let's look at the tight ends and pass catch and wide receivers. ⁓ I think I like Brazil right there. I think I'm going Brazil. I think he fits what Lamar Jackson needs. They just, I don't believe they brought back Hopkins. Not that I'm even worried about Hopkins. ⁓ But yeah, no, think Brazil ⁓ fits what Lamar needs in that offense.
speaker-1: Well, dude, home run, I like that. They need an X receiver. That's the guy.
speaker-0: And he may go higher than that. Like, I don't think Brazil will be there at four or five, but I think that's a huge value pick for the Ravens if he's there.
speaker-1: thought about it here at 40. I thought about it here at 40. Could have done it with New Orleans at 42 in a lot of ways, you know.
speaker-0: Well, whichever one the Chiefs take will be the better one and has a pro Hall of Fame career. And whichever one the Ravens take will not live up to the Chiefs one. That's just how it always goes.
speaker-1: bucks. This is cash. Yeah, we'll go cash out to get mansword Elaine and cash was how that reinforcement.
speaker-0: I mocked how to the bucks earlier in the season at 15. So like if they could get them at 46, that's phenomenal value.
speaker-1: First That's a steal Colts are 47 their first pick. Welcome to the video. Indianapolis fans.
speaker-0: There we go, Indiana. right. Gosh, what do we? Just sign Pierce, got their quarterback. They don't have a lot of holes on their team, but they also don't, they're not like loaded at any one position.
speaker-1: They created Zaire Franklin to linebackers like meh. Safety maybe. I'm just looking at it on our lads. It's not great but edge. It depends on where you're staying on JT to a mull a while. If you like JTT he's probably the guy that they let Quidipay walk because of him.
speaker-0: Grow up top real quick. ⁓ So I feel like, should we take Codric Falk and just get it over with?
speaker-1: It's kind of sad that that's how we're like looking at it, but let's be honest, if they, since they moved on from Quiddipay, this is, this is the guy to replace. Yeah.
speaker-0: and edge and he's the best one available. He probably won't be there at 47 on all likelihood on draft night. I think that's the guy and it's funny because the Falcons need an address here now and they probably would have taken folk if he was there. We don't need to get into that conversation, but who do you think they'll take now?
speaker-1: Well, they just hired a Georgia State wide receiver coach. We go to Ted Hurst. They need a guy. They cut Darnell Mooney. So they need speed. So I need an X. a guy with speed. That's Ted Hurst 442 time in the combine. And I think that frees up Kyle Pitts and Drake London to do their thing. So yeah, I think I'm gonna go to Ted Hurst there.
speaker-0: Alright, 49. Is this too high to take another running back? No.
speaker-1: Ooh, interesting. What in the heck do have your eye on?
speaker-0: I mean, so show me the running back board because price and the Coleman and the Penn State guys will be the next one. Mike Washington. I'm not too familiar with. Price is RB to. I'm never a reach for running back sky, but they desperately need one and price is good enough for me to do it at pick 49. I'm OK with it. ADP 56. Let's do it. Juddarian price.
speaker-1: ⁓ man guys. I like it. That's been a spot where I've given the Vikings running back more often than not. I think they could also take one at what's their next pick like 76 or something like that 78 something somewhere in that ballpark. But no, I like Judarian price and like dude, they brought back Aaron Jones, but it's a revised contract contract the end is near you know,
speaker-0: I'm not worried about him taking carries from Janay.
speaker-1: The thing I think that sets it up to where like, Jordan Mase would be your short yardage guy price would probably get a bulk of the work and then Aaron
Jones would be your pass catcher. So that kind of segments everyone to where they like probably need to be. Lions, we Caleb Lomu. I'm gonna go Chris Johnson. I could also go Zion Young. Actually, I'm gonna go Zion Young. Chris Johnson would be a good corner. Did you see the clip of Zion Young the Auburn overtime game where he's doing the coin toss?
speaker-0: another eggs. Yeah, Drinkowitz was talk, Drinkowitz made a joke about it. It a funny video.
speaker-1: Tell me that dude is not a Dan Campbell type. Tell me that dude is not a Dan Campbell type. So Zion Young at 50.
speaker-0: And then Jennings Dunker in round three.
speaker-1: ⁓ my god. The one-on-one between her dudes.
speaker-0: Speaking of tackles, it came with Quanu's out, right? He's hurt. I think they got an addict tackling this draft.
speaker-1: Yeah And Walker is a one year deal too. like they signed a tackle, it's just a one year flyer.
speaker-0: So I know we just mentioned ⁓ Jennings Dunker to the Lions. I don't think he'll fall. But okay, Mark Elbel dude. He just had like the craziest combine.
speaker-1: interesting him going but. What I didn't think Anthony Belton would go fifty two and like frankly that's who this guy is is like. Draft develop stash let's see where.
speaker-0: That's- Don't go this high. We don't know if Icky McQuarrie will actually be out, right? Like that's like, he's, it's kind of up in the air when he'll return.
speaker-1: I was pendant tear and Rashawn Slater missed all of last year, so it key doing that in the playoffs.
speaker-0: underrated storyline of that game where you got hurt because it was like that puts him out for next year like that sucks
speaker-1: And then here's my tin foil hat. I always kind of liked Icky more at guard if you were to bring back Icky Let's just say you did sign him and he was like cool with the idea of moving to guard because I could see a world where he's like No, I'm a tackle. I'm gonna go get tackle money But after this upcoming season they can move on from Damien Lewis and only cost three million dollars against the cap So they would save like 17 or if you gave that money to a Kim McQuarran in a new contract played in a guard and then whoever you take here to tackle is your time now
speaker-0: Will Bryce Young be able to ski over Mark Elbel?
speaker-1: Two frankly, yes six nine.
speaker-0: You'd able to see over them, is that? I can't believe Dunker's that high on the board versus...
speaker-1: That was a guard. I like it was a guard.
speaker-0: Can I?
speaker-1: You could also go, Chase, Byzantium
speaker-0: Show me the interior alignment.
speaker-1: You could use a nickel, Keante Scott. I don't hate that tone setter. past half.
speaker-0: Can I see the guards?
speaker-1: Yeah, absolutely.
speaker-0: I know where I'm leaning, but... So the rest of row line is good though, it's solid. like he said, he can move. I want to take Markel Bell.
speaker-1: Icky to guard, OK, let's do Markov-Elvis.
speaker-0: That's insanely high and he's on the big board night 101 but this dude just had like the craziest combat right there. Yeah, six nine like 370 pounds just And his numbers were great he gave up no sacks no pressures in the playoff No pressures allowed to Indiana the only game he struggled in the playoff was Ohio State and that's against that defensive line so like
speaker-1: And like I said,
speaker-0: I trust the tape. trust the athletic testing. I trust that Miami offensive line and regardless this year. ⁓ I think that's a great pick. don't I know that's high, but it's a need and it could be good value too with Icky McQuinna about so.
speaker-1: No, I like it. that's the other thing about this is again, Rashid Walker's on a one year deal. So Mark L Bell has not seen the field in this situation. This is very much the Anthony Belton pick. We're going to draft George Morgan, other Green Bay pick, ironically enough with them on the clock.
speaker-0: future proof. The tools he has as a left tackle is so I like it.
speaker-1: great So Green Bay here, Keyshawn Nixon, Carrington Valentine. They bring in Benjamin St. Jude. So it's like, okay. ⁓ this team could use edge to be completely honest with you. Cause I think Van Ness can be a guy that collapses inside and Mike. Yeah. But then like, do we even when Michael was out there, like where Sean Gary was a ghost of himself. So now Kyle Lawrence is fun.
speaker-0: is still out,
speaker-1: Or R Mason or Malachi Lawrence? That's the question. What do want to do here? The problem is like neither one of them are really a four three fit. Really, it's Gabe Akkas. Akkas would be the four three guy. So let's go Gabe Akkas. Let's be reasonable as much as it'd be fun as hell. Just to let Malachi Lawrence loose on a fool. But I'll go Gabe Akkas experience playing with his hand in the dirt. There's that Rashaan Gary replacement. And Kingsley and Aguri, another guy they lost.
speaker-0: All right, so they took Bailey. I want to go linebacker because I do want to look at, well wide receivers would need to, I do want to look at tomorrow Davis replacements, but it's also like, you don't need to go out of your way for linebacker necessarily.
speaker-1: I like Golde. Golde's good too though. Who is their starting linebacker at this present moment? Let me see. Pete Warner and Kaden Ellis.
speaker-0: All right, I'm going to take my guy Bearcat Gold Day and pair him next to Pete Werner. We're going to do that.
speaker-1: Two athletic dudes who can run.
speaker-0: Cause we, yeah, absolutely. Cause last week with Dom, we paired, ⁓ Sonny Styles with Pete Werner, two Buckeyes, but now we're going to do just two Ohio boys.
speaker-1: Yeah, I love it. love it. Philadelphia Eagles, we Denzel Boston. I still think this team could use an edge rusher. Malachi Lawrence is kind of the guy. I'm gonna go Malachi. R-Mason too. I like R-Mason. This is not to be like R-Mason slamming. But Malachi also just tested off the charts at the Combine, so it's like.
Derek Moore's fun too.
speaker-0: I can't believe Romero Heights fall in a little bit, but I guess.
speaker-1: I like him as like a late third, early fourth.
speaker-0: Quite the athlete, but...
speaker-1: I'm gonna ride the hype train. Okay, super explosive, pretty long arms, love the first step. I think that's the three, four outside linebacker. And he brings with a little bit more power, I think, than our Mason does. So I'll go with Lawrence there.
speaker-0: Who did we take earlier for the chargers?
speaker-1: boy. Damn Chris Johnson's here. ⁓
speaker-0: So don't put it past Harbaugh, man. He would do it. ⁓ So Harbaugh loves the trenches though, and he loves building the line. The O-line they kind of worked on and Slater and all obviously will be back. ⁓ I don't know if they're going to attack it and draft as much. They still need, Basanti's might, yeah, that's they need a guard. Cause they, I thought they were going to take Vega. first round, but we swooped in and the Steelers and took them. So Basantas, yeah.
speaker-1: Trevor Penning, Cole Strange, Ben Cleveland backing up the other like, yeah, we'll go cheese.
speaker-0: They need replacement level players.
speaker-1: Shagwash. I really like Grayson Holtan for this team. That has been one that I just like can't help but mock that one nonstop. But I will say is Chris Johnson is also very tempting. Monterik Brown's back. And then Travis Hunter gonna be playing corner. That's right, that's right. Linebackers also a huge need. Fentrell Miller and then Foyasay Luikun. Linebackers we got here. Josiah Trotter. Trotter could be fine. I'm a big Trotter guy.
speaker-0: Kyle Lewis, Senior Bowl star.
speaker-1: Do you how Lewis Kyle turned run? Yeah, I'll say more of a nickel corner to be completely honest. Let me see that D line one more time. Devon Hamilton, Eric Armstead. You're like. I'm gonna go Grayson Holtin. I just love Grayson Holtin. They ran the fourth most stunts and twists last year. Him plus Eric Armstead on the inside. Trayvon Walker, Josh Hines-Allen, all the gamesmanship they run up front. His first step, his quick hands. Okay.
speaker-0: Yeah. Like, ugh. I might take back to back Sooners here. And I know we may be double dipping on the D line, but this player is too good. I think R Mason Thomas to the Bears here at 57 is fantastic. If you can get him and Caden McDonald on your D line, that maybe like raises two more wins for your team as the Bears next year. Because they addressed the O line, you reworked the O line, you got everything, you got Bradbury in as center. Not great, but again, he's a fine player to starting center. And now you just need to re workshop the defensive line and you're potentially a Super Bowl contender. That's my prediction for the Bears. I think the Bears are gonna be in the NFC title game is my prediction. ⁓ And I think shoring up the D line gets them there. What do you think?
speaker-1: No, no, I mean, this is a team that's PG, right? So you're kind of like jumping on that wagon right at the right time. So no, I'm here for it completely and totally here for it.
speaker-0: Because the next pick, if our Mason was still there for this team, he may go to Shannon, but had to take him to the Bears.
speaker-1: And you still you still could like go get an edge rusher for a little bit of depth Mike l plus Nick Bosa. I'm kind of looking at 30 slot receivers. Yeah, Mike, they got slick Rick. Jeremy Bernard is your slot. That's just like a floor razor right there. And I keep using that phrase but but also like Kimori Ramsey to play some free safety for this team. Their safety spot to me kind of leaves a lot to be desired. And they really mostly have a lot of box safety types. Orca seagull could play over the top.
speaker-0: We still need received.
speaker-1: think honestly we've kept Jeremy Bernard on the board too long. So I'm gonna go Jeremy Bernard. Get him a complimentary receiver. Probably play him in the slot right away. Good blocker too. I can get plays right away. So I'll go with Jeremy Bernard there.
speaker-0: He's a high floor low ceiling wide receiver, but he knows how to play and he's in college. His production was great in college. He was what people wanted Ryan Williams to actually be this season at Baylor. And it's like, know there are different receivers. Williams more of the vertical downfield threat, but Jeremy Bernard just gets it. And I know that's like cliche, but it's like, he is one of those receivers that just put the ball in his hands and he gets what's happening.
speaker-1: You're looking to win right now. Exactly.
speaker-0: All right, Houston, went, so we went online, right?
speaker-1: Yeah, we want to right tackle and defensive interior.
speaker-0: Alright, ⁓ they're... I think they need interior lines still.
speaker-1: and
speaker-0: The line is not great. Is this a, is this a
speaker-1: I like-
speaker-0: Slaughter over I was gonna say Connor Lou, but I like slaughter over Connor Lou
speaker-1: Okay, if that's your pro, I do think center is a long-term position to get better.
speaker-0: Let's do Slaughter. I'm taking Slaughter over Connor Lue because he's more of a project. Slaughter has actually done it for multiple seasons on end in college. I believe he's had like an 80 pass blocking grade for PFF for the past few seasons. Highest graded center in the country? 79, 79. Okay, close.
speaker-1: But that's the overall grade, the pass blocking grade this year, 84.
speaker-0: Fantastic numbers, fantastic protection numbers. I have Slaughter over Connor Liu. I know most people have Liu as their top center. ⁓ I like this.
speaker-1: Myself and part of reason I think I might lean towards Lou is this gap grade. He's got a little bit more power to his game than think slaughter does, but you can't go wrong. And I think centers the position of need and there's nothing saying they're going to stick with gap for the rest of their lives either. So they may.
speaker-0: They just need to
raise the floor of that offensive line because that line is terrible.
speaker-1: And that's been a theme. We've been saying that a ton this video, but like, especially with the depths of the O line and the trenches on the defensive side of this class, like you're going to see a lot of.
speaker-0: And their defense is set. They don't need anything on that end.
speaker-1: Chicago Bears, they bring in Kobe Bryant to play free safety in that other safety spot still. Wow. I'm gonna go AJ Hall is the I'm gonna go Halsey to be that box safety to go off of Kobe Bryant. Also, he's a turnover machine and now he gets to coach by Al Harris and wherever Al Harris goes the turnovers follow so I actually love that pairing their coach to player wise.
speaker-0: They're right back up. I'll see you then. All right, so before last week, I would have addressed corner and secondary for the Rams because they did not have Trent Mcduffie, but now they do.
speaker-1: They go like Keontae Scott, because they did let Durant walk.
speaker-0: They low key still need one. like they low key still need secondary. I've thought about tackles for them, but I think like they're not super like their O-line's okay. It's not super old, but it's also not super young. Let's go.
speaker-1: I'm not mad.
speaker-0: Let's go, Keontae Scott. I think you need more talent in the secondary. And I still think their corners on an island were pretty bad last year. And I know they replaced them. Obviously Trent McDuffie is the superstar. He's going to be great. But ⁓ Keontae Scott is more of a slot corner. So I think that fits the need and plugs a hole for the Rams, who have the least amount of holes of any team in NFL, in my opinion. I think they have the least amount of weaknesses. I think they're in prime position to win a Super Bowl next season. Like we said, first round. You could take Jordan Tyson, he could not play a snap for you and you could still probably win the Super Bowl. it's any pick, anything you get out of your rookie class next year is a luxury for the Rams. So, Scott is fantastic. He stared down on Ohio State's sidelines on that pick six. That's all you need to see. That's a badass move right there. Guy's gonna be good.
speaker-1: And then when you look at Quinton Lake, he's played four years in the league and he had almost 400 coverage snaps at free safety. Not this last year, the year before that. So like he's kind of a safety nickel. We'll have Scott play the nickel and move Lake back to true safety. And then him plus cam kitchens, cam curl. I kind of like the idea of that. three on paper, Denver Bronco, Eli Stowers, hashtag fun.
speaker-0: I'm ordering that Jersey if he goes first round of the Broncos. I'm not even a Broncos fan. just, I just want stars to be good because he's fun to watch. Hashtag fun to
speaker-1: That would be electric for the vibes. I know that's what I'm saying. Like that's your taste of hill. That's taste of hill. In a lot of ways, I think I get 40 if he gets there to the chiefs, like don't rule that out. Like if you're in a workplace, Kelsey, that would be a little scary. Um, John Franklin Meyer's gone. kind of want look at three tech options for the Broncos here. You don't have to do it.
speaker-0: He's a quarterback, former quarterback. That would be unfair. Big citrus!
speaker-1: He's got nose for me, but I know I will say DJ Jones is 31 years old. He is getting up there. He's getting a little long in the tooth. So you could replace that contract sooner rather than later. But what else tight? We already went tie down. We already kind of low key went receiver.
speaker-0: He went full-on. And quarterback, he went all three.
speaker-1: Yeah. Josiah Trotter, Josiah Trotter that he's too good of a football player. And that's that is Kyle Lewis would be a really fun player, but that's not really advanced Joseph type. He likes more of the hammer meets nail type of linebackers, those thumpers, those blitzers, those run defenders. That's Josiah Trotter. So. So tell me the wide receivers.
speaker-0: Show me the wide receivers here, I still wanna get Drake. Gross, man. I thought there would be some better names left.
speaker-1: Don't like Skylar Bell? What you hating? I'm bouncing some speed here.
speaker-0: Okay, was, mean, Sarah, nice. Skylar Bell's branch is nice. Branch is very, branch to me feels like a gadget, Darnell Moody. And I don't know if I'm drafting that till like day three. He's fantastic. Like he's a dynamic as hell, but I just don't know if he's an every down receiver.
speaker-1: Yeah, I like him late third, early fourth, but I know- like-
speaker-0: Ray Ray McLeod, he's like one of those kind of guys.
speaker-1: Yeah, I can see that. Anybody else get your eye here? know they have Henry, but I think I don't want to. Yeah.
speaker-0: Yeah, Trig, I don't like Max Clair. I thought he underwhelmed all season. All right, well, no position then. Let's just go all value then. Okay, we got safety.
speaker-1: Who are their linebackers? Now that you mention it, like I'm...
speaker-0: I mean.
speaker-1: Where's the edge? Do want to get an edge?
speaker-0: If I'm staying on, I was going to say another Tennessee Vol, Joshua Josephs. If we talked to they need an edge rusher, stay in the Tennessee Vol fan base. mean.
speaker-1: Yeah, I think Joseph, I've heard the league is higher on Joseph's than the media is. So I think that frankly, like predictive wise, good spot for him to go. Let's go. The doing.
speaker-0: Let's keep the Tennessee ball is going. Joseph's, if you had both those players are the Patriots, I don't think you're mad about that on your defense. They need edge help. didn't really address it. ⁓ Receiver, they seem to be less worried about than I am, but that's because I want, I obviously want Drake made stats to be really good. it's like, I probably care more about stats than
speaker-1: And also they see Kyle Williams every day in practice. So it's easier probably for them to be
like, if they're comfortable with, if they don't draft a receiver, that's a vote of confidence from my boy Kyle. So like that will tell us a lot, honestly.
speaker-0: Hey, that makes me feel good about Kyle Williamson.
speaker-1: 100%. Dude, I hate to finish this second round mock, but no Chris Johnson.
speaker-0: I didn't realize we're already at the end, okay.
speaker-1: Dude, I think I'm gonna have to go running back here. mean.
speaker-0: They need one. I cannot believe they let K-Dog go. I can't believe. I get the contract. I get the money. I just, that was your Super Bowl MVP. Like, don't you think he want that back? Like, and now the room is so light with just Charbonne. I don't even know who there are B2.
speaker-1: ⁓ they just signed someone, but it was like a super biolo. It's a bandaid guy that they sign on. was it? was it? was it? Emmanuel Wilson, the backup from Green Bay. like. Break glass in case of emergency, we can play this guy on Sundays. I'm like, well, Mike Washington Jr. Dude, wide zone based scheme, letting 223 pounds at 433 speed build up to that speed. Yeah, that's a homerun threat. And also just a little bit of a different body type than Zach Charbonneur, but like a guy who compliments him pretty well.
speaker-0: ⁓ yeah.
speaker-1: Yeah, we go football. So here is the two round.
speaker-0: Wow
speaker-1: No Chris Johnson and no Keith Abney in the second round. That kind of kills me. But other than that, dude, I think we got the right names, And also like, yeah, we did. treated the Steelers straight up. But like somebody said, I haven't done Tyson to the Rams. I haven't done Mezador to the Ravens. ⁓
speaker-0: We did tie Simpson, did we? Neil Warren to the Vikings I love.
speaker-1: Emmanuel McNeil Warren. Yeah. 100 % Stowers to the Broncos riding the hype train. love it. Absolutely. Avian Torell to be that Kobe Bryant replacement. I did that.
speaker-0: first round. I'm confident in that.
speaker-1: I had said that a couple times before for agency like he's a good Kobe Bryant replacement. So I'm kind of loving that we're following up on that. Yeah, Jay Rob.
speaker-0: I guess I missed the ties. I remember the conversation. I guess I missed when you actually selected him, but.
speaker-1: At that point, we moved up for just one third instead of two thirds. It felt like an easier bullet to swallow. And then in turn,
speaker-0: You are like as a Steelers fan you you're all it you want you want him to
speaker-1: It's like all in is a scary word to youth per se, but like if your options are Aaron Rodgers and nobody else, Aaron Rodgers and Will Howard or Aaron Rodgers plus Tyson since 21, have the infrastructure to make tie better. I mean, in a perfect world, really what would happen is something kind of like what we did Vega here at 21. And then we could trade up later for Tyson, that would be ideal. Because otherwise, I don't know what we're gonna do.
speaker-0: It will hurt. I know he likely will go first round. think like more draft annals have a first round grade on him. I'm kind of like I'm not reaching for him, but I think if he falls into your hands like yes, I do. I do think he can be good. And like you said, I think he did a lot with less at Bama and that doesn't get talked about enough. Like how bad that Bama team was compared to. teams passed that they had. I do give Tysimps at the benefit of for sure.
speaker-1: There were some report going out today that Steve was really like Mac Jones, but that's where like to comparing those two is prospects. It's not even Apple because no, don't mean that. I mean like from a play style. Yes, sit in the pocket. I think ties more athletic but like dude man had waddle. had freaking Devon versus inept run game. Jeremy Bernard and nothing else. ⁓
speaker-0: that Mac Jones was putting out were otherworldly. Like if you go back and look at his just stats that season, was not, was like Burroughs season. was legitimately on par with Burroughs Heisman season. Those are the two best college football teams in history in my opinion. I think that could be debated forever, but I think those two 2019 LSU 2020 Bama are the two best for me.
speaker-1: Load them up in NCAA. I got to see the head to head. gotta see who comes out. Well, Mitch, dude, I really appreciate you taking some time joining the show here. Glad we got this up on the point after the podcast. You two work well, but dude, just for my audience, at least, where can the good people find you and your great work?
speaker-0: Dude, that would be a great game, yeah. Yes, so you can find me on Twitter at MitchKaiser6. I think it's just MitchKaiser6. Sorry, I should know that. MitchKaiser6 on Twitter, the point after with MitchKaiser on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. And yeah, so that's where to find me and appreciate you letting me come on as well. And I will be posting this on my mock draft Monday today. And yeah, appreciate you, TJ.
speaker-1: Yeah, absolutely. Of course, man. And for those people watching on the point after feed, follow us over at 32 Beat Riders. If you're a fantasy player, you probably already know us, but 32 Beat Riders, we're on YouTube, we're on X. A good time to come subscribe to the website as well. So all that plug, plug, plug. But also that is going to do it for this two round mock draft. Mitch, you're the man. Let us know your thoughts down below in the comment section or feel free to DM us or ask we're on the screen. So feel free to do just that. But until next time, we are signing off.