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Welcome to Movie Film, it's episode 357. My name is
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Zachy Hassan, I'm here with Brian Hall. Hey, how's it going, Zachy?
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What's happening? What's happening, man? You know, uh, typically we
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record our episodes... earlier in the day.
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Yeah.
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This one we're doing in the evening because this worked
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out best for us. And I got to say, I
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feel really this is like nice. I feel like I
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have my feet up after a day and getting a
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kickback with you. I feel like we need like a
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fireplace roaring over there. Just like a little laid back.
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This is movie film after dark.
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Movie film after dark. Although I have to admit my
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circadian rhythms are all screwed up right now. Everything is
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off because I'm used to doing this a certain way
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And I found that as time goes by, I get
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set in my ways. No doubt. No doubt.
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Actually, I thought you were going to say because of
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the whole time, you know, fallback, fall ahead.
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No, I've gotten better about that. Although I'm still I mean,
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it is a cliched complaint. Like, let's just pick one.
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Right, right, right.
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You know, I would say we don't need to save daylight.
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Let's just go with standard time.
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And, you know. Yeah.
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Daylight savings. I couldn't find the, yeah.
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Um, yeah, I was actually a little disappointed because usually the, uh,
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spring forward one is the one that's a bummer, right?
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Cause you lose an hour and then fall back is
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the fun one where you gain an hour. And so
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I actually was thinking about it that night, like, Oh yay,
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I'm gonna do that thing where I wake up a
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little early and I can go back to sleep for
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an hour. And I didn't have that happen. And I
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was disappointed.
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I felt like a complete waste. Life, uh, Life is
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unfair sometimes, Brian. Life is unfair. But last time we talked,
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you mentioned having seen your very first Timothy Dalton James
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Bond film.
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Yes.
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Since then, you have also watched a Roger Moore James
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Bond film. Yes. I want to hear all about this.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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So the Regal Cinemas by my house is doing a
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program where they show a James Bond movie every Monday.
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It's one film from one Bond actor, right? So they
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did Casino Royale, and then they did Goldeneye, and then they...
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What I saw was License to Kill, the Timothy Dalton.
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And then, yes, I.
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Watched The Spy Who Loved Me with Roger Moore. And
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I'd never seen it before. And, man, I wish they'd
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do all the Bond movies. I would go every Monday.
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I'm really enjoying it. And, you know, not all of
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them are as good as the others, but there's just.
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I've said this and I don't know that I've expressed
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it well enough, but I finally figured.
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Out what it is.
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I love seeing older movies on the big screen because
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often we're used to seeing these movies on TV and
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it's a little bit smaller and there's commercials or, or,
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or whatever it is.
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But when you're seeing.
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Something on the big screen, it just breathes a new
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like vitality into it or something, even though it's the
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same film, you know, I could have queued up the
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spy who loved me at home.
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And it would have.
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Been good, but something about being in a theater, darkened room,
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surround sound, huge screen.
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It just.
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Makes it come back to life in a unique way
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that it just can't at home.
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You know?
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And so it's just been really special to be able
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to see these bond films that I haven't seen this way.
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And I'm sure I would have enjoyed them at home,
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but I really enjoyed them on the big screen. And,
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spy who loved me was really fun because now.
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And, and we should say the spy who loved me
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is generally considered the best Roger Moore. I can see that. Yeah,
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I can see that. Yeah.
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Cause, um, well, what I was going to say was
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it's funny that they're going back in time.
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Right.
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Um, so the, the Dalton one, it felt, you know,
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kind of eighties more.
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Like in its, uh, its plot.
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Cause it's about like drug, you know, kingpins and stuff,
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which was a very 80s frequent bad guy theme or something.
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Yeah, no space lasers, just cocaine dealers and the like.
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Yeah, kind of grounded in a funny way. And for
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being 30 plus years old, it still felt kind of modern.
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What really sets it in its era is that it
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has Terry from Three's Company. Yeah, right, right. Yeah, that's right.
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That's right. The late Mrs. Felix Leiter. That's right. That's right. Oh, man,
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that's funny.
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But The Spy Who Loved Me, it was funny then
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going back in time a little further.
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Mm-hmm. You know, into what year is this? Seventy seven. Seventy.
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OK, it felt 70s because then the action sequences have
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kind of like funky keyboard and.
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Like right now. Exactly.
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Like wah-wah guitar pedal.
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Marvin Hamlisch did the score for that movie. That was
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one of the ones that John Barry did not do.
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So.
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It doesn't feel as timeless.
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And at the same time, I actually was thinking as
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I was watching bond clearly, you know, with a rear
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projection background skiing down a mountain to this funky seventies keyboard,
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I thought I wouldn't change a thing. Like that's what
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I like. Like these are moments in time.
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That's exactly it.
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Right.
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And so I want the seventies bond movies to feel
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like seventies. I want the eighties, the eighties, nineties, nineties. So, um,
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that was kind of fun.
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And I did like that.
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It went back to a more fun, kitschy bad guy plot.
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Yep.
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You know, where it's like a guy and his super boat,
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you know, scrambling submarines. So they'll nuke each other's enemies, countries.
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And, um, it's kind of, it's kind of a team who, uh, um, Blofeld. Totally. Totally. Stromberg, right?
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That's the, yeah, good.
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Good memory.
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And, and, you know, uh, he, he, sends people into
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an elevator that has a floor that drops out and
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then they drop into a tank filled with sharks.
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Yeah. It's like, yeah.
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And, um, and then there's a big shootout at the
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ending that, uh, reminded me of funny enough. Cause these
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are my first references, but, uh, Wayne's world or like
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Austin powers, you know, when they're referencing James Bond movies,
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they're like, yeah, yeah. You know, it's like a bunch
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of stunt guys and warehouses hucking grenades at one another.
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Like that's literally what this ending is. Mm.
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Hmm.
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For like, I mean, it's long too. It's like 20
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minutes of dudes repelling from the ceiling, shooting each other,
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throwing grenades. And I was like, yeah, like it's fun. Um,
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so yeah, I, I had a great time with this one.
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And that one was, I think Lewis Gilbert directed that one. Yeah,
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that's right. Yeah. So he, he, he had done, uh,
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you only live twice. Okay. Um, which was the, the four, uh,
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fifth Sean Connery one okay and that and then he
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took a little breather and then he did Spy Who
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Loved Me and he did Moonraker okay and Moonraker is
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one I have a very special affinity for because that's
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the very first Bond movie I ever saw oh okay okay.
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I actually I just finished a book recently and I
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was looking to start a new one but I didn't
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want anything like super long I just wanted something fun
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yeah and light and I was thinking actually about reading
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Moonraker Oh, there you go.
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I know they're very different. The book and the film,
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other than the title, nary the two meet. Yeah, okay, okay. Yeah,
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The Spy Who Loved Me, it came out the same
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year as this little sci-fi picture you might have heard of. Right, right.
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Called Star Wars. And so the trajectory of the Bond
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series shifted because Star Wars essentially had such a big
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gravitational pull. so at the end of the spy who
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loved me it says james bond will return.
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In um.
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I think for your eyes only oh funny and then
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they they pulled a ue at the last minute and
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they're like no moonraker because it's like oh we got
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to do something space what do we have left that's
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vaguely space sounding how funny okay moonraker you know right
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And thus, I mean, what I love is that, because
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Moonraker is 79. So 79 is Moonraker, License to Kill
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is 89. And these are two films that are ostensibly
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part of the same series and the same continuity. And
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I just kind of love that. Yeah, yeah. But just
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feel vastly different. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, completely, you know?
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Yeah.
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Well, this past week was on Her Majesty's Secret Service,
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which unfortunately I missed. I had planned to go, but
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then a friend reached out to check something out, which
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was great.
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I'm really glad I did it. And then next week
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is Goldfinger. Goldfinger. Are you planning? Now, you've seen that.
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I have. Are you planning to revisit it?
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I'm planning to go just because of what I was
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talking about. I mean, it's fun to watch at home,
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but there's just nothing like seeing it larger than life,
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you know? On the big screen. So I'm going to
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try to do that.
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Yeah. Goldfinger, very much the archetype, you know? Yeah. I
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think that pretty much every Bond movie is either a
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Goldfinger or a From Russia With Love.
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Hmm.
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So what tell me what the two how you would
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uh what are the the templates for each.
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Of them russia with love is slightly more grounded it's
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slightly more of a down and dirty espionage story uh, Goldfinger,
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you got the big world beating villain and you got the, the, uh,
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you know, kind of a cockamamie plan, you know?
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Yeah.
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And, and pretty much they, they go down one or the, the, uh,
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one or the other corridor.
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Well, I'm looking forward to watching Goldfinger cause I, I've
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seen it maybe twice in my life.
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And so I remember, you.
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Know, the, the classic parts of it, but as a whole,
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it's not something that I have like fresh in my mind.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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But, you know, I swear Regal really should be like
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paying me to advertise for them because I'm going to
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throw out there another thing that I saw. I saw
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the movie Wildwood.
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Oh, nice.
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OK, which is the latest from Laika. And the reason
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I went was our friend Bushra was going to check
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it out. We both knew next to nothing about it,
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except that it was getting good reviews. And we both said, hey,
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we got our Regal Unlimited. We can see all these
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movies for free.
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What do we have to lose?
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So this was like one of those things where it's like,
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I don't know that I would have gone out of
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my way to see this otherwise.
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But what have I got to lose? Sure.
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Let's check out Wildwood. And man, it's really good. Do
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you know much about this movie?
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I just know that it's like it's directed by Travis Knight. Yes.
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So basically noted Nepo baby Travis Knight. Yes.
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Yes.
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Son of Nike founder, right?
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Yeah.
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Phil Knight.
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Yeah.
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I had no idea. I just found that out recently.
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I just learned that this year, too.
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I mean, it just so happens Travis is extremely talented. Yes, yes, yes. However,
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definitely a Nepo baby. Sure, sure.
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But I mean, you know, this is, I guess, what
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we want people in those positions to be doing with
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their money.
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That is true.
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Spending 10 plus years on a passion project that's like.
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A true work of art. That's kind of nice. Well, and, and,
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and that's not including masters of the universe. That's right. Yes. Oh,
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I forgot. My man's had a busy year. I mean,
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You can have this thing going, which I mean, you know,
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people are probably moving hands and fingers and heads millimeter
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by millimeter for years. And he's like, okay, you guys keep,
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keep that up. I'm going to go over and make
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he man. Yeah. Which by the way, I think I saw.
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An onion headline.
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I'm going to, screw this up but it was something
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like for the three seconds or whatever you look down
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at your phone to see what that text message was
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you missed like 200 hours worth of blood sweat and
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tears for a stop motion animator you know while you're
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watching their movie and I thought about that because I
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did I do remember kind.
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Of like oh look oh wow yeah that's.
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That light over there you're like noticing things in the
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theater and just thinking about those seconds that I was
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distracted the disrespect I showed.
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people are rowing and dying as they're. Yes, that all
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happened in that split second while you while you looked
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at your watch.
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wondering if we could get there a little faster up
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on top of the ship.
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Picture somebody just drumming as they're like moving the arms
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and the you know. Oh, man, I I I cannot imagine.
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the patients.
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because it is stop motion, but they have admitted that
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they do employ CGI. Um, and I mean, you, they
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have to, because some of the things that they do
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in here.
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And I, to me, that wouldn't diminish any of the
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hard work that went into this because this movie is,
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is the most epic stop motion movie I have ever seen.
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I mean, the ending is like Braveheart. Like there's people
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on battlefields literally running toward each other and colliding into
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each other and fighting with swords and bashing each other's heads.
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Move so many people piece by piece so they don't
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look like they're all moving the same way.
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You know what I mean?
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Like I, it's just beyond, I have no idea. Um,
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and I, and I have to imagine like backgrounds. I
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wouldn't be surprised if there was some green screen, uh,
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in the background to extend some stuff, which I mean,
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you know, I don't mind. Like I, to me, it
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just feels like a natural progression. Um, as long as
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the bulk of it, the characters and all that stuff
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is still stop motion. That's how you make something this big. Um,
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but anyway, this is a really interesting movie. Um, the
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plot very simply put, is there's a girl and she's
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hanging out with like a neighbor friend and her brother,
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little brother, like baby brother, who she's taken out and
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supposed to be looking after gets taken away by, I'll
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actually say it correctly, a murder of crows. And so
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the crows take the baby into this area of woods
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that she's been instructed not to go into because it's dangerous.
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So of course she goes into the
woods and, And
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then she enters this sort of magical realm. And this
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takes place in Portland, Oregon, I should say. So it's,
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you know, real world. You know, they have Powell's Bookstore
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and all this recognizable stuff. But once she crosses a
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bridge and goes into the woods, it becomes, you know,
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this fantasy land where there's like a kind of a
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queen and dogs who stand upright and are soldiers and,
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you know, that kind of a thing.
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Sort of Oz-like.
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And I got to admit, at first I wasn't, sure
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if i was going to enjoy it because i actually
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don't tend to spark to stories where it's like fantasy
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that just sort of repurposes a lot of what you
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already know you know i mean it's like well in
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this world there's a king but it's a cat i'm
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like okay you know what i mean like it doesn't
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feel and you know and then there's soldiers but they're
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dogs it's like well like it doesn't feel like far
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enough for me it just feels like someone looking around
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the room and seeing what they see and then being like, I'm,
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I'm creating a fantasy and I see a hairbrush, but
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if the hairbrush was a King, you.
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Know what I mean?
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Like, does that make sense?
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Like it absolutely does. Okay.
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So sometimes those things, I just can't, I'm like, okay,
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like I, I get it. And that's cute, but I'm
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not finding this. I'm not getting immersed in this, you know? Um,
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but the characters and the story and the drama were, uh,
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really strong. And I did get eventually wrapped up into it.
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And there are shocking moments in here that actually made
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me gasp, like literally like, you know, which movies don't
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make me do all the time. And, and there was
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moments of peril where I really was like, how are
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they going to get out of this? And I, I
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really liked this movie a lot. I thought it was
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really good. I mean, it's, it's over two hours. which
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I did at one point start to wonder like, wait
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a minute, I thought we'd wrap up about now.
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And it kept going. Yeah.
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At the end of the day, still thought it was
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really good, but I did feel the time a little
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bit toward the end. But yeah, I mean, the villain
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is really interesting. The characters are insanely expressive. It's like supernatural,
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especially the boy character. he's this nervous sort of, you know,
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I don't know. Maybe, maybe we should reconsider, you know,
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and like the way they make his eyebrows move and
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his shoulders scrunch. And it's just astounding.
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The accomplishment.
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So, I mean, the accomplishment is just, I've never seen
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anything like it, frankly, you know, in terms of stop
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motion and this sort of thing. And for a story
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that I was a little skeptical as I was stepping
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into it, I did find myself getting, uh, swept up
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into it and, uh, yeah. Gripping my chair, feeling really sad,
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feeling thrilled. Um, yeah, I recommend Wildwood, but I, I'll
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throw this out there. I think because it's stop motion,
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a lot of people will assume they can take their
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kids to this. And this is a very dark movie.
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Um, so definitely take my kids. Yes.
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Yes.
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It's, it's PG 13, um, which, you know, can mean
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a lot of things these days.
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I don't want to spoil anything.
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This is at the beginning of the movie, but you,
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you see a nude boy, which is a little strange.
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It kind of makes sense as you get into the
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story a little bit, but like, and this.
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Slight spoiler, slight spoiler.
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If you want to skip like 15 seconds, but this
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boy commits suicide in the opening. And it's, I was like,
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Holy crap. Like it's, and we see it.
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You see it.
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And so it
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So there's that. And the violence.
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Is I mean, if it was real people, it would
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be like like Braveheart, you know, so pretty intense. But,
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you know, some kids are good with that. Some may
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not be just throwing that out there.
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Well, there we go.
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How about you? Well, I mentioned this in our last
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bonus show, but I couldn't talk about it very much.
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There's a new television series on Prime Video called The Greatest. Yes.
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And this is about the early years of Muhammad Ali,
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the man who would become Muhammad Ali. This is when
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he was Cassius Clay. And the series, it's an eight-episode series,
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or at least the season, chronicling the time between when
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he won his first gold medal, when he won the
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gold medal at the Olympics, and then when he won
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the heavyweight title.
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Right.
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Against Sonny Liston. And this is terrific. Like I said,
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I was hamstrung by an embargo before, but I can
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talk about it now. It is awesome. It's gripping. It's compelling.
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The actor who plays Muhammad Ali, his name is Jalen Best.
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He is fantastic. He just sort of embodies Ali. Yeah, yeah.
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And it's a very compelling story about a fascinating human being.
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I didn't even think about it when you first talked
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about it, that it would be an actor trying to
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emulate someone that we know so well.
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Yeah. No easy feat.
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I mean, even with Will Smith doing it, you're like, oh, yeah.
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I like it.
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It was good, but it was still Will Smith doing it. Exactly, exactly. Okay,
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so this guy nails it, huh? I thought he was fantastic.
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Not just him. Michael Ealy plays Malcolm X, who's a
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recurring character. Omari Hardwick plays Cassius Clay Sr., a very complex,
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interesting character. Obviously, from the trailer, if you've seen it,
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you see the conflict between uh, between, uh, Cassius senior
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and Cassius junior. And I'm like, Oh, is this like,
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are we doing, uh, Coleman Domingo redux, you know, from,
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from Michael. And, uh, thankfully this one is a little,
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I mean, Coleman Domingo is very good in Michael, but
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he was sort of a, a mustache twirly villain, you know? Yeah, sure. Um, I,
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I like that, that they treat, uh, Cassius Clay senior
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with a little bit more complexity. And I think, I
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think part of the reason for that is that this,
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series is authorized by the Muhammad Ali estate, right? And
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so part of that means, oh, that means they're going
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to like sand off the edges, you know? But it's
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willing to show him as a full-fledged, as a complicated,
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you know, human being. But what we know is that
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Muhammad Ali, for all of his complicated relationship with his father,
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he did love him, he did respect him. And so
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the series does show does him and us the courtesy of,
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of treating him as, as well-rounded. And I think that
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makes the drama richer, you know?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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We also get, I mean, it's, it's essentially a series
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long B story about Sonny Liston. Huh? So he doesn't
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really exist in the periphery. He himself is a character
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who we follow. And so this sort of avoids the,
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the thing that you've called out once or twice where,
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you know, movies like Cinderella man, which is based on
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a true story. You have, uh, Jim Braddock, who is
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our main character played by Russell Crowe. And he's facing
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off against Max Bayer, who, who's depicted as kind of this,
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this horrific monster of a man.
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Right. Yeah.
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And, and he was in fact a real person and, and, uh,
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very much not like what's depicted. And, and I like that, that, uh,
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this series, which is about Muhammad Ali still, uh, gives
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sunny liston enough of an arc that we feel we
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feel invested in both of them as this climactic uh
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bout comes up and even if you know the history
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you're still you're still you know sort of leaning forward
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in your seat as it's playing out.
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That sounds great i love that i appreciate that yeah
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you know so i'm not going in just wanting to
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see you know ali defeat bad guy on other side
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of ring that's right you know what i mean or
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yeah i say in quotes you know what i.
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Mean right This series is fantastic, honest to God, probably
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one of the favorite things I've seen this year. And
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it ends at a place where if that's the end,
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then that's fine. But the truth is, Muhammad Ali's life
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is quite a bit more expansive. And so were they
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to continue on and give us you know, a couple
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more seasons, I would be completely on board, you know,
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when he gave up the championship because he didn't want
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to go fight in Vietnam, when he, you know, when
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he left the nation of Islam and became, you know,
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an Orthodox Muslim. That's interesting. Like, there are so many
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stories to be told because his entire career was an
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interesting one, you know? That sounds great. I hope they
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do do that. I would be completely open to that.
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But if this is the end, it is... it is
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a perfect package of, of eight episodes. That sounds great.
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Actually, I, I, uh, opened up my, uh, Apple TV
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tonight right before we hopped on and I saw it there. Yeah.
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And, and all eight episodes, I believe are already up. Oh, great. Okay.
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So you can watch them all in, in, in one
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binged swoop. Nice.
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Well, I'm definitely going to check this out. I, I,
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I'm totally in the mood for something like this.
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00:25:14.130 --> 00:25:15.589
Well, let me know. Let me know what you think.
486
00:25:15.829 --> 00:25:21.039
Yeah. You know, speaking of, uh, sorry, uh, Ron Howard
487
00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:22.309
in Cinderella Man.
488
00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:23.619
Because he did Cinderella Man, yeah.
489
00:25:23.980 --> 00:25:27.960
Did you see that it was announced he will be
490
00:25:28.019 --> 00:25:29.940
directing
Robo-pocalypse?
491
00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:32.359
That movie is- No, that was going to be a
492
00:25:32.420 --> 00:25:34.019
Spielberg picture. Exactly.
493
00:25:34.140 --> 00:25:38.099
I want to say, I'm just guessing, but somewhere like 2008-ish, Spielberg.
494
00:25:37.700 --> 00:25:41.289
Was going to make- Has it been that long, really?
495
00:25:41.700 --> 00:25:43.660
Something like that, around there, I think.
496
00:25:44.460 --> 00:25:47.900
Spielberg was going to make a movie called Robo-pocalypse- Yeah.
497
00:25:48.180 --> 00:25:51.609
And it had Anne Hathaway in it and some other people.
498
00:25:51.769 --> 00:25:54.529
And I remember someone who worked on it was like,
499
00:25:54.569 --> 00:25:57.369
this whole movie has been storyboarded.
500
00:25:57.390 --> 00:25:58.269
It exists.
501
00:25:58.869 --> 00:26:01.599
Like I've seen it on a wall and now it's just,
502
00:26:01.990 --> 00:26:03.299
you know, not going to be made.
503
00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:07.640
So what, what kiboshed it? I don't know.
504
00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:12.579
But I remember thinking, you know, we were, we were
505
00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:14.200
in Papa Spielberg territory.
506
00:26:14.220 --> 00:26:14.960
Okay.
507
00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:18.839
Around there. And I, was like, oh, that's interesting. This
508
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:22.369
feels like Spielberg going back. Well, maybe it was a
509
00:26:22.390 --> 00:26:24.450
little later then because we did have Minority Report not
510
00:26:24.990 --> 00:26:25.789
too long before that.
511
00:26:26.150 --> 00:26:28.630
But to me, I remember thinking, oh, that's exciting.
512
00:26:28.690 --> 00:26:33.289
He's going to make like a fun blockbuster-y robot thing.
513
00:26:33.309 --> 00:26:34.210
Okay.
514
00:26:35.059 --> 00:26:37.740
And I remember thinking, oh, I wonder what it is
515
00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:39.940
about this that he's interested in. And I look forward
516
00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:41.779
to seeing Spielberg do this kind of thing again. I
517
00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:44.119
remember that being my feeling. And then it fell apart.
518
00:26:44.589 --> 00:26:46.430
But I just saw this week that it looks like
519
00:26:46.490 --> 00:26:50.599
Ron Howard is picking it up and will be making it.
520
00:26:51.289 --> 00:26:59.119
So the book came out in 2011.
521
00:26:59.119 --> 00:27:00.099
Oh, okay.
522
00:27:00.140 --> 00:27:04.160
I'm way off. So the movie would have come out
523
00:27:04.180 --> 00:27:04.279
in 2013.
524
00:27:04.259 --> 00:27:04.339
Okay.
525
00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:04.880
So I'm wondering if.
526
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:12.400
He was like, well, I'd rather do Lincoln or something
527
00:27:12.420 --> 00:27:14.049
like that, you know? Yeah, yeah, right?
528
00:27:14.289 --> 00:27:16.549
Yeah, because he was kind of in that era.
529
00:27:17.150 --> 00:27:24.269
Yeah. So I'm just looking at the Wikipedia page, so
530
00:27:24.309 --> 00:27:28.289
take that with a grain. But yeah,
Chris Hemsworth, Anne Hathaway,
531
00:27:29.410 --> 00:27:31.759
Ben Whishaw were in the cast. We're talking 2012 here.
532
00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:42.190
And by 2018... Well, this is funny. It says Michael
533
00:27:42.289 --> 00:27:46.089
Bay had taken it on. Interesting. Which, like, Michael Bay?
534
00:27:46.150 --> 00:27:50.049
That's when he was already making Transformers movies. Yeah, right, right.
535
00:27:50.250 --> 00:27:54.930
What are you? Anyway. And then, yeah, it says here,
536
00:27:55.430 --> 00:27:58.450
announced that Ron Howard and Akiva Goldsman acquired the rights.
537
00:27:58.589 --> 00:28:03.730
So it's going to be a television series. Oh, okay.
538
00:28:03.769 --> 00:28:08.349
Howard will executive produce and direct the pilot. Okay. There
539
00:28:08.369 --> 00:28:08.559
we go.
540
00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:10.140
Yeah.
541
00:28:10.299 --> 00:28:13.039
Interesting. It's a novel. Have you, have you read the novel?
542
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:13.720
No.
543
00:28:15.700 --> 00:28:19.730
Uh, the book portrays AI out of control. No. Okay.
544
00:28:19.930 --> 00:28:21.910
So it's about like right now. Yeah.
545
00:28:21.930 --> 00:28:22.369
Yeah. Yeah.
546
00:28:22.789 --> 00:28:23.029
Cool.
547
00:28:23.230 --> 00:28:23.490
All right.
548
00:28:24.950 --> 00:28:28.569
Cool. Cool. Um, it's fine. This is fine.
549
00:28:29.789 --> 00:28:30.089
Yeah.
550
00:28:30.210 --> 00:28:33.960
You know, whatever. I, I obviously would like to have
551
00:28:33.980 --> 00:28:35.220
seen Spielberg's take.
552
00:28:35.299 --> 00:28:46.589
But you know what? Uh, Based on Disclosure Day. I
553
00:28:46.619 --> 00:28:51.450
think Spielberg's muse has moved on in other directions. You
554
00:28:51.490 --> 00:28:57.849
know what? I think you're right. And that's okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
555
00:28:57.890 --> 00:29:01.250
Tell me about history, Papa Spielberg.
556
00:29:01.369 --> 00:29:11.660
Papa Spielberg. Tell me about presidents. Yeah, tell me about presidents. Hey, Brian,
557
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:32.049
we got some listener letters. The mailbag is overflowing because
558
00:29:32.430 --> 00:29:35.130
I think we've gone one at one or two shows without,
559
00:29:35.210 --> 00:29:38.829
without reading our notes and you know, it started piling up.
560
00:29:39.130 --> 00:29:39.690
Yeah. Yeah.
561
00:29:39.730 --> 00:29:43.109
Well, I, can't wait to dig in then. Well, speaking
562
00:29:43.150 --> 00:29:46.980
of digging in, we have a comment from from YouTube
563
00:29:47.059 --> 00:29:47.940
about Digger.
564
00:29:48.460 --> 00:29:48.559
Oh.
565
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:51.720
Remember that movie Digger? I was just going to say, yeah.
566
00:29:52.809 --> 00:29:56.829
Remember from like three weeks ago that no sign of
567
00:29:56.869 --> 00:29:59.250
that movie exists anymore? Isn't that nuts?
568
00:29:59.349 --> 00:30:02.829
I saw John Goodman say something about the reception being
569
00:30:02.869 --> 00:30:03.289
a bummer.
570
00:30:03.890 --> 00:30:06.019
Yeah. That made me sad.
571
00:30:06.230 --> 00:30:10.140
I mean, that's such a strange movie because if you
572
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:13.140
don't like it, you might say you don't like the
573
00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:16.440
actors in it, even though they're doing exactly what they're
574
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:17.339
supposed to be doing.
575
00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:18.839
Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
576
00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:23.240
Like John Goodman in particular, he just basically like yells
577
00:30:23.299 --> 00:30:24.000
and bellows.
578
00:30:24.700 --> 00:30:26.799
Yeah, he's like, what are we doing?
579
00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:32.640
But that's what he's supposed to be doing. That's the movie.
580
00:30:32.740 --> 00:30:34.480
But you could walk out of it not liking it,
581
00:30:34.509 --> 00:30:37.569
being like, John Goodman's no good in that. And so
582
00:30:37.589 --> 00:30:39.789
I think he's feeling that a little bit, you know, like, eh,
583
00:30:39.809 --> 00:30:42.470
it's a bummer it wasn't received the way we had hoped.
584
00:30:44.470 --> 00:30:47.299
Well, this is from Ben Matthews, who says, trying to
585
00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:51.759
reconcile Digger and your fantastic discussion of it. Oh, thank you.
586
00:30:52.859 --> 00:30:55.059
I see the Paul Thomas Anderson influence, sure. But what
587
00:30:55.099 --> 00:30:57.529
I really got from it was Terry Gilliam vibes.
588
00:30:57.680 --> 00:30:58.170
Yeah.
589
00:30:58.210 --> 00:31:01.410
Not sure. Definitely Terry Gilliam, yeah. Not sure if you've
590
00:31:01.430 --> 00:31:05.950
ever seen his Adventures of Baron Munchausen. Boy, Digger reminded
591
00:31:05.990 --> 00:31:08.670
me of that. I have not seen. I haven't either. Yeah.
592
00:31:09.190 --> 00:31:10.799
That was like the Digger of its time.
593
00:31:10.859 --> 00:31:10.960
Yeah.
594
00:31:14.309 --> 00:31:17.009
Did it not? Oh, it was a famous mega flop.
595
00:31:17.049 --> 00:31:17.210
Yeah.
596
00:31:17.289 --> 00:31:21.470
Okay. Ben says, a group of thespians telling a story
597
00:31:21.710 --> 00:31:24.089
that spills in and out of some reality, not to
598
00:31:24.130 --> 00:31:26.849
mention the almost claustrophobic behind the curtain feel of the
599
00:31:26.890 --> 00:31:29.930
play's production. As the world of Digger beyond the board
600
00:31:29.970 --> 00:31:32.690
starts to manifest, it also reminded me of Brazil and
601
00:31:32.730 --> 00:31:37.230
to a small extent, 12 Monkeys. Digger is a polarizing
602
00:31:37.269 --> 00:31:39.650
film for sure. I agree with Brian. There are stretches
603
00:31:39.710 --> 00:31:43.069
I found hard to watch, but the swing, isn't that
604
00:31:43.089 --> 00:31:45.299
what we go to movies for? And if the small,
605
00:31:45.730 --> 00:31:48.900
albeit senior, crowd was laughing and fascinated, then it must
606
00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:52.299
be doing something right. In the immortal words of Monty Python,
607
00:31:52.779 --> 00:31:54.779
and now for something completely different.
608
00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:56.480
That's great.
609
00:31:57.089 --> 00:31:57.529
That's great.
610
00:31:57.589 --> 00:32:02.369
By the way, I think I completely co-sign the review
611
00:32:02.390 --> 00:32:06.369
or the caption that I would pull from this message,
612
00:32:06.769 --> 00:32:07.849
but the swing.
613
00:32:08.210 --> 00:32:08.430
Yep.
614
00:32:09.539 --> 00:32:13.519
You can say there's a lot of things you don't
615
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:15.200
like about it. And there were things that did get
616
00:32:15.259 --> 00:32:15.819
on my nerves.
617
00:32:16.579 --> 00:32:19.099
But the swing. At the end of the day, I
618
00:32:19.609 --> 00:32:25.769
can't be mad at it. The swing. I'm actually surprised
619
00:32:25.789 --> 00:32:27.609
it hasn't hit streaming already.
620
00:32:27.630 --> 00:32:30.730
I wonder if that's a Tom Cruise thing. If he
621
00:32:30.769 --> 00:32:34.390
has something in his deal where there's a solid window.
622
00:32:34.970 --> 00:32:38.940
Yeah, like a month or what have you. But I,
623
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:43.200
I suspect there'll be a whole round of how come
624
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:47.329
nobody told me how good Digger is totally on social media.
625
00:32:47.430 --> 00:32:49.829
Once it, once it does hit streaming. I, I bet
626
00:32:49.849 --> 00:32:50.190
you're right.
627
00:32:50.230 --> 00:32:50.369
Yeah.
628
00:32:50.410 --> 00:32:51.890
I think it's going to be one of those movies
629
00:32:52.450 --> 00:32:56.289
in the future where people are like, people didn't get this. Yeah.
630
00:32:56.569 --> 00:33:04.220
They didn't see Baron Von Munchausen. Um, by the way,
631
00:33:05.430 --> 00:33:09.380
did you read about the further adventures of Cliff Booth
632
00:33:09.859 --> 00:33:11.930
and how certain theaters are refusing to show it?
633
00:33:12.859 --> 00:33:15.839
Yeah, so is this because it's Netflix?
634
00:33:16.740 --> 00:33:22.710
Yes, and I, sorry, the connection is Tom Cruise possibly
635
00:33:22.750 --> 00:33:24.630
having a deal where his movies have to be shown
636
00:33:24.670 --> 00:33:25.789
for a certain window of time.
637
00:33:26.309 --> 00:33:26.650
Gotcha.
638
00:33:27.049 --> 00:33:31.910
So I think Cliff Booth is coming out on November 25th,
639
00:33:32.390 --> 00:33:36.519
which originally was going to be when Greta Gerwig's Narnia
640
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:37.119
movie came out.
641
00:33:37.660 --> 00:33:38.000
Gotcha.
642
00:33:38.299 --> 00:33:41.480
And Gerwig made a deal with Netflix, I'll make this
643
00:33:41.539 --> 00:33:43.859
Narnia movie for you, but you have to give it
644
00:33:43.900 --> 00:33:47.500
a theatrical release, and it has to also come out
645
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:51.240
in IMAX theaters, which is something I don't think Netflix
646
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:54.740
has ever done. And then that movie got pushed to
647
00:33:54.829 --> 00:33:55.390
next
year.
648
00:33:55.410 --> 00:33:56.289
Okay.
649
00:33:56.589 --> 00:34:01.529
That slot becomes open, IMAX, on November 25th, and Netflix
650
00:34:01.589 --> 00:34:04.880
is like, well, shoot, let's put Cliff Booth there. But
651
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:07.759
they were only going to show it for like a
652
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:10.659
week or two weeks or something like that. Because then
653
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:16.409
it drops exclusively on Netflix streaming somewhere around Christmas. And
654
00:34:16.429 --> 00:34:19.909
so some theaters were like, wait, so you're not going
655
00:34:19.929 --> 00:34:22.789
to give it a proper theatrical window. You're just going
656
00:34:22.809 --> 00:34:25.289
to do it as this thing and expect us to
657
00:34:25.329 --> 00:34:26.960
show it. And then you're just going to pull it
658
00:34:27.300 --> 00:34:32.179
like no dice. So it was apparently only going to
659
00:34:32.219 --> 00:34:35.440
show on IMAX screens. which isn't a lot, right?
660
00:34:35.460 --> 00:34:36.420
Right. Nationwide.
661
00:34:37.179 --> 00:34:41.400
And now, uh, I think Regal and Cine, was it
662
00:34:41.420 --> 00:34:42.019
called Cinemark?
663
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:43.000
Yes.
664
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:46.199
Uh, those theaters will not be showing it at all.
665
00:34:47.340 --> 00:34:47.739
At all.
666
00:34:48.099 --> 00:34:48.880
Yeah. Yeah.
667
00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:51.550
Just because they're not happy with, uh, wow.
668
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:53.750
Uh, if you can even call it a window.
669
00:34:53.820 --> 00:34:55.699
It's more like, Hey, we're going to give you this
670
00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:57.869
thing for two weeks and then we're going to pull it. And, uh,
671
00:34:57.909 --> 00:35:00.289
those theaters are like, nah, well, we're good.
672
00:35:00.469 --> 00:35:00.869
We're good.
673
00:35:01.210 --> 00:35:01.389
Yeah.
674
00:35:01.949 --> 00:35:04.349
That's a shame that, I would want to get the
675
00:35:04.369 --> 00:35:07.869
full big screen experience for that one. Yeah. Yeah. Same.
676
00:35:07.929 --> 00:35:10.389
I mean, out here we're a little lucky cause, uh,
677
00:35:10.449 --> 00:35:13.639
we have two Tarantino theaters in Los Angeles, so they're
678
00:35:13.659 --> 00:35:15.659
showing it at the Vista and they're showing it at
679
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:19.699
the new Beverly. Um, but yeah, they won't be showing
680
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:21.719
it otherwise by me as far as I'm aware.
681
00:35:22.380 --> 00:35:23.519
Um, so.
682
00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:27.840
Netflix still hasn't quite figured out the whole theatrical thing
683
00:35:28.769 --> 00:35:31.599
or gotten theaters on, on board with them. But, uh,
684
00:35:32.420 --> 00:35:38.099
I guess then Gerwig's Narnia must have a 45-day window?
685
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:38.940
Yeah.
686
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:44.050
Well, she's got the juice to be able to demand that. Yeah, yeah. Although,
687
00:35:44.070 --> 00:35:47.590
you know, word is getting out that Meryl Streep is
688
00:35:47.630 --> 00:35:50.889
the voice of Aslan the Lion. Yes. And, you know,
689
00:35:51.409 --> 00:35:54.010
people are having absolutely normal reactions to that.
690
00:35:54.469 --> 00:35:56.800
Oh, I saw Liam Neeson reacting to that.
691
00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:01.309
Did you see that? Yeah, having... uh, just a quintessential
692
00:36:01.349 --> 00:36:03.429
Liam Neeson reaction. Yeah.
693
00:36:03.449 --> 00:36:03.650
Yeah.
694
00:36:03.690 --> 00:36:05.710
I thought it was kind of charming actually. What did
695
00:36:05.730 --> 00:36:08.389
you say? Say like nobody better or something like that. Yeah, basically.
696
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:09.070
Right.
697
00:36:09.980 --> 00:36:14.400
Uh, I wish the internet would follow his lead, but,
698
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:16.860
but you know, people, people are people.
699
00:36:17.139 --> 00:36:17.260
Yeah.
700
00:36:17.300 --> 00:36:20.739
You know, it's funny actually. It's finally now, uh, also
701
00:36:20.940 --> 00:36:25.309
it's like confirmed that Brian Tyree Henry is playing Harvey
702
00:36:25.349 --> 00:36:28.909
Dent in, in the Batman part two. You've, saw how
703
00:36:28.929 --> 00:36:34.389
that got confirmed right oh no what what's the what
704
00:36:34.409 --> 00:36:36.530
was the well it was.
705
00:36:36.489 --> 00:36:41.760
Just halloween recently and every year heidi klum reveals some
706
00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:45.880
sort of outlandish halloween costume right okay so this year
707
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:48.059
did you see what she was dressed up as no
708
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:52.820
i was horrifying she she's basically like a severed hand Yikes.
709
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:55.039
And, you know, so it's as tall as her.
710
00:36:55.139 --> 00:36:55.360
Right.
711
00:36:55.460 --> 00:36:57.320
And, you know, two of her legs are the fingers
712
00:36:57.360 --> 00:36:59.860
and it looks kind of like thing from family.
713
00:36:59.920 --> 00:37:01.900
But a little gorier up top.
714
00:37:03.159 --> 00:37:07.900
So after that was revealed, the I don't know what
715
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:11.920
you call them. Makeup effects company that made the thing
716
00:37:13.139 --> 00:37:15.559
put pictures out on Instagram of how they made it.
717
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:16.199
OK.
718
00:37:16.539 --> 00:37:21.400
And in the background were face masks of Brian Tyree
719
00:37:21.420 --> 00:37:23.280
and As Two-Face.
720
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:24.619
No kidding.
721
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:25.059
I see.
722
00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:27.840
I didn't. So you've seen what he looks like as Two-Face. Yeah.
723
00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:30.500
Yeah. And they've taken the pictures down since.
724
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:31.059
How's he look?
725
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:37.219
Like you would imagine. In the neighborhood of Aaron Eckert.
726
00:37:37.980 --> 00:37:38.179
Yeah.
727
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:39.920
Well, I mean. Well, we've got the spectrum. We
got
728
00:37:39.940 --> 00:37:43.239
Tommy Lee Jones over here with his Dayglo version. And
729
00:37:43.260 --> 00:37:44.340
then we got Aaron Eckert.
730
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:46.159
Well, I was just going to say, I mean, that's
731
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:47.969
the thing. It's just a face mask. So it looks
732
00:37:47.989 --> 00:37:51.110
like a plaster colored. Like we can't see the detail
733
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or the color. Or exactly what it's going to look like.
734
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But yeah, it's like a mangled half a face, you know?
735
00:37:55.650 --> 00:37:59.030
Okay, there you go. So it's in the vicinity of
736
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what we expect from Two-Face. Anyway, my point is this.
737
00:38:02.550 --> 00:38:06.320
You and I had this conversation where I'm like, this
738
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:09.699
is a true one-to-one situation because we have already had
739
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:14.900
a black Harvey Dent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And back
740
00:38:15.059 --> 00:38:17.340
in 89, nobody gave two shits about it. No, it
741
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:18.480
was awesome. It was Lando.
742
00:38:18.500 --> 00:38:18.679
Right?
743
00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:21.599
Right if anything we were upset that we didn't see
744
00:38:21.619 --> 00:38:25.429
him as two-face yeah uh now of course people flipping
745
00:38:25.510 --> 00:38:29.590
out absolutely oblivious like they are such deep cut super
746
00:38:29.630 --> 00:38:32.349
fans of batman that they don't even realize we've already
747
00:38:32.409 --> 00:38:36.329
had a black harvey done right right i i hate
748
00:38:36.369 --> 00:38:37.469
people sometimes.
749
00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:41.960
Yeah no it's a bummer i mean i just you
750
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:44.519
bringing up those two things where it's like you know
751
00:38:44.539 --> 00:38:46.260
by the way it's okay if you don't like a
752
00:38:46.300 --> 00:38:48.440
casting decision you know what i mean like or or
753
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:51.510
whatever but Yeah, when people just start going over the
754
00:38:51.570 --> 00:38:54.119
top or being performative and losing their minds and just
755
00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:57.539
saying awful things, it's like, must we every time?
756
00:38:58.420 --> 00:39:03.519
Yeah, every time. And it's so much so that the
757
00:39:03.619 --> 00:39:07.050
very routineness of it is predictable. Yeah, you can set
758
00:39:07.070 --> 00:39:12.269
your watch to it, absolutely. Anyway, thank you, Ben, for that.
759
00:39:12.489 --> 00:39:14.829
Here's a note we got from Luke Smale. This was
760
00:39:14.929 --> 00:39:19.519
about our dual review of Street Fighter and Roblox. You
761
00:39:19.539 --> 00:39:20.219
can see everything.
762
00:39:20.460 --> 00:39:20.619
Ooh.
763
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Luke says, great show and awesome reviews of the new releases.
764
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The impression I get is you can see everything was
765
00:39:27.489 --> 00:39:32.739
missing the nuance and subtle themes of Street Fighter. That
766
00:39:32.780 --> 00:39:36.579
is true, in fact. Maybe Street Fighter was just too
767
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:39.280
subtle and needed to have more action, but seriously, one
768
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:41.480
thing I have noticed is that the perception in the
769
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public currently is that there are many great video game
770
00:39:45.309 --> 00:39:48.110
movies right now, whereas growing up, video game films were
771
00:39:48.130 --> 00:39:50.739
thought of as most of the time being pretty bad
772
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:53.820
in terms of quality. At what point do you think
773
00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:56.989
this perception changed? Keep in mind, I've not seen the
774
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new Resident Evil. You have seen that, right, Brian? Yeah. Yeah,
775
00:40:00.769 --> 00:40:03.349
I have not seen it. But Minecraft and Mario Galaxy
776
00:40:03.369 --> 00:40:05.989
have been two of the lesser films, in my opinion,
777
00:40:06.010 --> 00:40:11.079
that I've seen at the cinema in the last two years. Yeah,
778
00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:14.860
those were terrible. Both of those were. I haven't seen
779
00:40:14.900 --> 00:40:17.599
Resident Evil, but the other ones, they were bad.
780
00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:21.480
I did not see either Minecraft or Mario Galaxy.
781
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:23.940
And, and, and you didn't miss much.
782
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Yeah.
783
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:27.519
But they certainly did well. They had the, you know, both,
784
00:40:27.619 --> 00:40:29.639
both of the Mario movies have done well. I'm assuming
785
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:32.400
Mario Minecraft, there's a sequel coming.
786
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:32.980
Uh huh.
787
00:40:33.659 --> 00:40:36.889
But I, I think Luke's point is, is an interesting
788
00:40:36.969 --> 00:40:40.869
one because there is more of a, of an acceptance
789
00:40:40.929 --> 00:40:45.949
of video game based movies as viable. Yeah.
790
00:40:45.989 --> 00:40:46.170
Right.
791
00:40:46.230 --> 00:40:51.230
And that's, does seem like a relatively recent phenomena. Yeah.
792
00:40:51.269 --> 00:40:53.909
And I, I think it's just culture, right?
793
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I mean, growing up, like we were the people that
794
00:40:59.869 --> 00:41:03.550
were playing all these games. And as we've grown up
795
00:41:03.610 --> 00:41:06.070
and now we're the people who are working at the,
796
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you know, we're the age of the people working at
797
00:41:07.949 --> 00:41:11.539
the movie studios where the people who are spending our
798
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:14.320
income to go out and watch movies and all this, like,
799
00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:16.429
this is our stuff. Right.
800
00:41:16.510 --> 00:41:16.949
You know what I mean?
801
00:41:16.989 --> 00:41:18.829
Like, I think I was telling you when I went
802
00:41:18.869 --> 00:41:22.590
and saw something else, actually, but I was at the
803
00:41:22.630 --> 00:41:26.510
theater and I think like Enter Sandman was playing. And
804
00:41:26.530 --> 00:41:28.610
then I as I was hearing that I was looking
805
00:41:28.650 --> 00:41:31.550
at a poster of Chun-Li on the wall. Right. And
806
00:41:31.710 --> 00:41:33.849
I think I told you about that moment. I was like, dude,
807
00:41:33.949 --> 00:41:34.989
I am 13 again.
808
00:41:35.730 --> 00:41:36.179
You know what I mean?
809
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:39.579
Like, culturally, it's still very comfortable for me.
810
00:41:40.260 --> 00:41:41.000
You know what I mean?
811
00:41:41.300 --> 00:41:43.500
All the things I like are still out there everywhere.
812
00:41:43.829 --> 00:41:45.570
I think that's, I think that's a big part of
813
00:41:45.610 --> 00:41:48.210
what it is, right? Like this is our stuff. And
814
00:41:48.230 --> 00:41:51.269
so I think we're excited to see it. We love
815
00:41:51.309 --> 00:41:53.210
it when it's great. And even if it's not that great,
816
00:41:53.309 --> 00:41:55.300
it's still kind of cool to see a Street Fighter movie.
817
00:41:55.920 --> 00:42:00.159
So maybe that's why it's more seemingly widely accepted. Whereas
818
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:03.900
when we were kids, you put out a Super Mario
819
00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:06.949
Brothers movie that's just kind of is what it is.
820
00:42:07.650 --> 00:42:10.329
We like it, but we're just like kids whose parents
821
00:42:10.349 --> 00:42:12.639
had to take us and they don't want to see it.
822
00:42:12.659 --> 00:42:14.119
And Cisco and Ebert don't want to watch it.
823
00:42:14.139 --> 00:42:17.590
And you know what I mean? Like, does that make sense?
824
00:42:17.829 --> 00:42:19.670
Like, I just feel like it's just as culture has
825
00:42:19.710 --> 00:42:22.010
moved along. Like this is the stuff that stuck with
826
00:42:22.070 --> 00:42:23.829
us that we like. And now this is the stuff
827
00:42:23.849 --> 00:42:25.789
we choose to make and choose to watch.
828
00:42:27.010 --> 00:42:28.849
It is interesting though, when it comes to street fighter,
829
00:42:28.889 --> 00:42:32.030
because just looking at the box office, I mean, it
830
00:42:32.130 --> 00:42:35.030
costs 82 million and it looks like it's made. Uh,
831
00:42:35.030 --> 00:42:38.719
about 94 million.
832
00:42:38.739 --> 00:42:38.869
Mm hmm.
833
00:42:41.349 --> 00:42:45.739
So far. So, I mean, it's not exactly a huge
834
00:42:45.820 --> 00:42:51.219
win here, you know? Yeah. Makes you wonder if they
835
00:42:51.260 --> 00:42:53.139
put a little bit more effort into it. I mean,
836
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:55.659
I think some of the things we pointed out as
837
00:42:55.719 --> 00:42:59.920
flaws could have made the difference between it being more
838
00:42:59.960 --> 00:43:02.820
well-received than not. I agree with that.
839
00:43:03.070 --> 00:43:08.530
And I also think part of its strengths... may have
840
00:43:08.610 --> 00:43:10.650
actually heard it in a way, too, where it is
841
00:43:11.110 --> 00:43:18.309
so tripled down on being goofy and Street Fighter, which
842
00:43:18.389 --> 00:43:21.070
is great for the Street Fighter fans, but I think
843
00:43:21.210 --> 00:43:24.769
other people are going to find it harder to find
844
00:43:24.789 --> 00:43:28.449
their way into that. Whereas something like Resident Evil, I
845
00:43:28.489 --> 00:43:31.820
have never played a Resident Evil game, but I think
846
00:43:31.860 --> 00:43:35.800
the fans tended to like it. And if you're just
847
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:39.179
a fan of a creepy fun time at the movies,
848
00:43:39.300 --> 00:43:41.840
you can also enjoy it. Like it works just as
849
00:43:41.900 --> 00:43:45.659
a film kind of for everyone. And it also pleases
850
00:43:45.699 --> 00:43:48.440
the fans and also something like the last of us, right?
851
00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:51.800
Where I think if you're a fan of the game
852
00:43:52.860 --> 00:43:55.239
or games, there's a lot that you can enjoy and
853
00:43:55.300 --> 00:43:57.500
recognize and remember and be like, Oh, that's so cool
854
00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:01.000
to see like a cinematic version of this amazing game
855
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:01.539
that I played.
856
00:44:02.300 --> 00:44:06.610
And it also works as a great drama. Right. And well,
857
00:44:06.670 --> 00:44:09.909
and trust the drama to, to like, let us sit
858
00:44:09.929 --> 00:44:11.469
with the drama. Yeah.
859
00:44:12.030 --> 00:44:12.210
Right.
860
00:44:12.250 --> 00:44:14.309
Don't, I mean, I mean, part of the problem is
861
00:44:14.329 --> 00:44:18.690
that that movie, it was edited by a meth addicted
862
00:44:19.090 --> 00:44:22.739
can of Red Bull, you know, street fighter, a street fighter,
863
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:30.030
you know, that's at least partly what to me heard it,
864
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:31.760
you know? Yeah.
865
00:44:31.860 --> 00:44:38.579
And again, yeah, it doesn't, It's not like a... I
866
00:44:38.619 --> 00:44:40.320
think you have to be a fan of those characters
867
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:45.269
in that world and its specifics to really enjoy that movie.
868
00:44:45.309 --> 00:44:48.969
You have to enter the theater, enter the experience with
869
00:44:49.530 --> 00:44:51.769
a pre-existing affinity. I think.
870
00:44:52.050 --> 00:44:53.570
I think it would be hard for anyone who's not
871
00:44:53.610 --> 00:44:55.860
a fan. Like, oh, let's just see what this story
872
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:56.480
is all about.
873
00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:58.599
I don't think there's going to be much for them.
874
00:44:59.019 --> 00:44:59.780
I think you're right.
875
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:03.909
So... I'm glad that the fans enjoyed it, but I
876
00:45:03.949 --> 00:45:06.849
can see why maybe it didn't like catch on in
877
00:45:06.869 --> 00:45:07.389
a bigger way.
878
00:45:08.369 --> 00:45:10.329
But Luke's point, I mean, look, you got, you got
879
00:45:10.369 --> 00:45:16.440
the Mario franchise. It's, it's, it's going great. Minecraft, presumably
880
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:18.659
there's a sequel coming for that. We have the Sonic movies.
881
00:45:18.699 --> 00:45:19.800
Those are just going and going.
882
00:45:20.179 --> 00:45:20.400
Yeah.
883
00:45:21.139 --> 00:45:24.940
So, you know, yeah, I, I think the, the form
884
00:45:24.980 --> 00:45:27.679
has matured to the point where these are sort of,
885
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:31.070
I mean, Sonic and Mario, I mean, these are multi-generational
886
00:45:31.110 --> 00:45:34.710
characters at this point. So it's a far cry from
887
00:45:34.750 --> 00:45:37.429
what it was in 93, you know?
888
00:45:37.820 --> 00:45:38.010
Right.
889
00:45:39.969 --> 00:45:43.760
Here's another comment. This is from Rob Kelly, and this
890
00:45:43.820 --> 00:45:46.920
is on our commentary track for The Fly, which we
891
00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:47.920
just dropped a couple days ago.
892
00:45:48.260 --> 00:45:48.480
Yeah.
893
00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:51.539
And Rob says, hey, guys, I really love this. I'm
894
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:54.179
a huge horror movie fan, and I know you guys
895
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:57.179
are not. So you choosing to do this really delighted me.
896
00:45:57.869 --> 00:46:01.429
She's All That is great and all, but I really
897
00:46:01.469 --> 00:46:05.170
could dig into this one. It continues to astonish me
898
00:46:05.230 --> 00:46:07.429
every time I watch The Fly that it's barely more
899
00:46:07.469 --> 00:46:10.690
than 90 minutes long. Cronenberg packs so much into it,
900
00:46:10.739 --> 00:46:13.119
the screenplay should be a guide for others on how
901
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:15.300
to do it. My wife and I just met Gina
902
00:46:15.340 --> 00:46:17.139
Davis at a convention this weekend, and she was a
903
00:46:17.219 --> 00:46:20.659
total delight. She signed our Japanese Laserdisc of The Fly,
904
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:24.739
and we will forever cherish it. I love hearing that.
905
00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:31.639
I do. So my takeaway is more teen dramas from
906
00:46:31.699 --> 00:46:34.760
the late 90s. Actually, you know what I want to do?
907
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:38.539
There is a remake of She's All That, right? That
908
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:39.420
happened during COVID.
909
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:40.719
That's right. He's All That.
910
00:46:41.019 --> 00:46:43.559
I think He's All That. We should do a commentary
911
00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:47.280
for that and call it Rob Kelly Presents He's All That.
912
00:46:47.780 --> 00:46:51.760
He's commentary. I think we.
913
00:46:53.949 --> 00:46:56.690
We found out about that, like, in real time while
914
00:46:56.730 --> 00:47:00.409
we were doing our She's All That commentary. Yeah. That's
915
00:47:00.449 --> 00:47:06.969
my recollection. Because it's the, you know, the gender-swapped Rachel
916
00:47:07.010
--> 00:47:11.449
Lee Cook in that movie is Tanner Buchanan from Cobra Kai.
917
00:47:12.650 --> 00:47:19.710
You know, that hideous uggo. That man beast, you know?
918
00:47:19.730 --> 00:47:19.849
Yeah.
919
00:47:21.710 --> 00:47:23.150
Johnny lawrence's son you.
920
00:47:23.070 --> 00:47:28.010
Know that's hilarious yeah i actually i i probably saw
921
00:47:28.050 --> 00:47:29.780
the trailer but i don't remember i mean is it
922
00:47:29.820 --> 00:47:32.699
just you know putting on glasses and muscling up his.
923
00:47:32.619 --> 00:47:36.480
Hair i'm pretty sure yeah i don't think they're i
924
00:47:36.500 --> 00:47:39.659
don't think they're rocking the boat too much yeah yeah
925
00:47:40.300 --> 00:47:42.460
you know you don't want to upset the fans of
926
00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:48.739
the all that franchise right right I know Rachel Lee
927
00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:50.989
Cook is in it in some capacity. I don't think
928
00:47:51.030 --> 00:47:53.309
it's like a, it's not a legacy sequel, you know?
929
00:47:54.090 --> 00:47:55.610
She doesn't show up and be like, there's something very
930
00:47:55.670 --> 00:48:02.530
familiar about all this. I wish she would, though. That's hilarious. No,
931
00:48:02.550 --> 00:48:05.690
but Varsity Blues, here we come, baby. Oh, actually, that
932
00:48:05.710 --> 00:48:10.210
would be a good one. I would like to do that. Yeah.
933
00:48:10.309 --> 00:48:13.650
James Van Der Beek. Man, that trailer with My Hero
934
00:48:13.690 --> 00:48:14.550
by the Foo Fighters.
935
00:48:14.590 --> 00:48:17.860
That was like, that was a moment. Allie Larder with
936
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:20.860
the whipped cream bikini. Oh, come on. Yeah. That was
937
00:48:20.940 --> 00:48:22.820
a generational moment. Yeah.
938
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:24.119
And then, of course, it makes me think of Not
939
00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:26.280
Another Teen Movie, where it was Chris Evans with the
940
00:48:26.300 --> 00:48:26.710
whipped cream.
941
00:48:27.349 --> 00:48:33.530
Also a generational moment. Yeah. But thank you for that, Rob. Yeah.
942
00:48:33.610 --> 00:48:39.619
It's actually many, many pleasantly surprised reactions to us doing
943
00:48:39.980 --> 00:48:40.360
The Fly.
944
00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:41.000
Yeah.
945
00:48:41.300 --> 00:48:44.789
Yeah. Which is nice. Here's the one from Mark Lachance
946
00:48:44.829 --> 00:48:46.969
who says also with regards to the fly. Thanks for this.
947
00:48:47.110 --> 00:48:48.769
Always a big fan of this movie. And I think
948
00:48:48.789 --> 00:48:51.050
it's one of the few remakes that surpasses the original.
949
00:48:51.690 --> 00:48:54.269
I also remember being really excited for the sequel in
950
00:48:54.309 --> 00:48:56.800
February of 89 and being really disappointed.
951
00:48:57.739 --> 00:48:57.960
Hmm.
952
00:48:58.539 --> 00:49:01.619
So disappointment in the sequel. Not surprising. I mentioned in
953
00:49:01.659 --> 00:49:04.179
our track that, yeah, I mean,
it's not, it's not good.
954
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:04.820
Yeah.
955
00:49:04.860 --> 00:49:07.500
That's a bummer. I, I appreciate that. It was like,
956
00:49:07.539 --> 00:49:08.860
I think I said, I was, I appreciate that. It
957
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:12.679
was trying to like continue the story. Yeah. as opposed
958
00:49:12.699 --> 00:49:15.880
to just redo it. But in terms of being a
959
00:49:16.460 --> 00:49:20.030
sequel that surpasses the original, that is like a very short...
960
00:49:20.059 --> 00:49:23.800
short list of movies yeah right and it to me
961
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:28.130
it's like yeah there's the fly and he's all that
962
00:49:28.889 --> 00:49:32.909
he's all that naturally right i mean right it's like
963
00:49:33.969 --> 00:49:36.429
sequel that's well it's a remake excuse me not a
964
00:49:36.449 --> 00:49:41.610
sequel oh remake uh oh um See?
965
00:49:42.670 --> 00:49:43.030
Yeah.
966
00:49:43.449 --> 00:49:46.349
I mean, off the top of my head. Well, remakes are...
967
00:49:46.929 --> 00:49:47.610
Now there's so many.
968
00:49:48.269 --> 00:49:49.809
And yeah, they tend to not be that great. But
969
00:49:49.829 --> 00:49:51.760
I'm trying to think of something where maybe it was
970
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:54.420
a movie from the 50s or... Well, Ocean's Eleven, I guess.
971
00:49:55.139 --> 00:49:58.760
Okay, Ocean's Eleven is a good example. I would say... Well, no,
972
00:49:58.780 --> 00:50:02.400
I don't know, actually. I was going to say The
973
00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:03.179
Italian Job.
974
00:50:05.219 --> 00:50:08.449
I haven't seen the original, but I do think they
975
00:50:08.469 --> 00:50:11.840
did a good job of taking... I imagine whatever that
976
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:14.699
story was and bringing it into a new era.
977
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:17.469
I mean, that was an enjoyable romp, but I think,
978
00:50:17.570 --> 00:50:19.550
I think both of them are good. So it's hard. Like,
979
00:50:19.809 --> 00:50:24.309
like to me, I like both versions of the Manchurian candidate. Um,
980
00:50:24.809 --> 00:50:27.010
I wouldn't say the remakes or passes the original, but
981
00:50:27.090 --> 00:50:29.750
I like both of them, you know? Right. But like,
982
00:50:29.789 --> 00:50:33.679
what's it like to me, the fly works as a remake.
983
00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:35.500
And this is sort of reiterating what we said during
984
00:50:35.539 --> 00:50:39.679
the track, but because it, it finds the human core
985
00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:40.480
of the story.
986
00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:41.440
Mm hmm.
987
00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:44.420
And, you know, the thing that bugged me, which also
988
00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:49.119
clearly bugged Cronenberg, is like the issue of mass. Like,
989
00:50:49.489 --> 00:50:55.030
where does the mass come to make a giant fly head? Right, right, right, right.
990
00:50:55.690 --> 00:50:58.650
And that bugged Cronenberg enough to be like, I'm just
991
00:50:58.670 --> 00:51:01.929
going to do my version of the story. Yeah, but
992
00:51:02.510 --> 00:51:04.090
it's short list. I don't know. I was gonna say
993
00:51:04.369 --> 00:51:08.610
true grit. True grit is is that is better. I agree.
994
00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:11.079
The Jeff Bridges one is better than the John Wayne one.
995
00:51:11.300 --> 00:51:15.179
I rewatched that this year. I remember liking it when
996
00:51:15.219 --> 00:51:17.679
it came out. The Coen Brothers one. I'm sorry, the
997
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:19.199
Coen Brothers one. And I was like, yeah, yeah, that
998
00:51:19.219 --> 00:51:21.219
was really good in my memory. And then I rewatched
999
00:51:21.260 --> 00:51:22.880
it this year and was like, man, this is a
1000
00:51:23.019 --> 00:51:24.420
really good movie.
1001
00:51:24.539 --> 00:51:24.780
It is.
1002
00:51:25.500 --> 00:51:30.880
That's when Jeff Bridges fully entered his Grizzly Mountain Man phase. Yeah.
1003
00:51:31.139 --> 00:51:35.639
Was RIPD after that? It was like thereabouts.
1004
00:51:35.820 --> 00:51:37.639
It was like he didn't even, you know, he just
1005
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:40.239
like got in a car, left True Grit, went over
1006
00:51:40.260 --> 00:51:43.000
to that, kept the costume. Now he's like a ghost
1007
00:51:43.059 --> 00:51:43.539
or something.
1008
00:51:43.579 --> 00:51:46.059
Like, ah, round them up. You know, like doing the
1009
00:51:46.099 --> 00:51:49.460
same thing. Yeah. I mean, last year when he was
1010
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:53.099
in Tron, I like needed subtitles. Yeah. Yeah.
1011
00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:53.500
Yeah.
1012
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:59.599
Well, I'll see you here on Friday. So Depeche Mode. Yeah.
1013
00:52:00.019 --> 00:52:03.389
But you got to add like a man. at the
1014
00:52:03.429 --> 00:52:06.349
end of it it's kind of a cracky sort of man.
1015
00:52:06.050 --> 00:52:15.480
It's digital jazz man that's good um yeah no true
1016
00:52:15.500 --> 00:52:18.139
grit is is better i will i will i will
1017
00:52:18.179 --> 00:52:20.719
add that yeah well i mean let us know everybody listening.
1018
00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:25.539
What are remakes you consider you know like it's a
1019
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:28.949
clean shot it is better than the the the original one.
1020
00:52:31.110 --> 00:52:34.449
Yeah let us know Yeah, actually, out of curiosity, I
1021
00:52:34.469 --> 00:52:35.550
did a little Google search.
1022
00:52:35.789 --> 00:52:41.800
The Thing comes up. See, The Thing is awesome, but
1023
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:45.030
the original is pretty good, though. I don't know if
1024
00:52:45.050 --> 00:52:48.780
I've ever seen the original. I mean, it's different, but
1025
00:52:49.099 --> 00:52:55.099
it's good. Yeah, Scarface comes up. Scarface. See, I like
1026
00:52:55.139 --> 00:52:59.519
the original Scarface. See, I don't know. Yeah, not better,
1027
00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:06.650
just different. Just different. Um, it's funny cause this is
1028
00:53:06.690 --> 00:53:09.389
an assignment actually in, in my class where I have them,
1029
00:53:09.909 --> 00:53:13.010
I have them do a, I say, I say watch
1030
00:53:13.050 --> 00:53:16.250
an original and then watch the remake and do a
1031
00:53:16.289 --> 00:53:19.699
compare and contrast and tell us which one you prefer.
1032
00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:23.010
You know, what do they tend to, what, what's a,
1033
00:53:23.099 --> 00:53:25.280
what's a popular pick and what do they tend to feel?
1034
00:53:27.019 --> 00:53:31.559
Uh, popular picks are a freaky Friday parent trap. Ah, well,
1035
00:53:31.579 --> 00:53:35.039
that's a good, those a lot. yeah um casino royale
1036
00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:40.699
i've gotten that uh-huh um that one obviously the peter
1037
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:43.579
sellers one is far superior right to the no i'm
1038
00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:50.460
just kidding it's a disaster um what are italian job
1039
00:53:50.500 --> 00:53:54.579
is one of them yeah i mean i'm like literally
1040
00:53:54.679 --> 00:53:57.119
i'm trying to think of like i just had students
1041
00:53:57.139 --> 00:54:00.219
do this like like two weeks ago so I'm going
1042
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:00.940
through an article now.
1043
00:54:01.039 --> 00:54:03.800
Star is Born gets remade every several years.
1044
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:05.860
That one, there's a bunch of remakes, yeah.
1045
00:54:06.019 --> 00:54:06.300
Yeah.
1046
00:54:07.539 --> 00:54:08.579
What was the other one?
1047
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:08.880
It?
1048
00:54:08.900 --> 00:54:12.239
I don't know if that quite counts. It? Well, I
1049
00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:14.980
think it would, right? Well, no, you're right. You're right.
1050
00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:15.880
It wasn't a miniseries.
1051
00:54:15.940 --> 00:54:17.159
It was a TV movie.
1052
00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:24.630
That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Anywho, let us know. I'm sure
1053
00:54:24.889 --> 00:54:28.110
we're just drawing a total blank, but there is examples
1054
00:54:28.190 --> 00:54:30.889
out there. Yeah, I'd love to hear it. And if
1055
00:54:30.929 --> 00:54:33.389
you send us suggestions we disagree with, we will mock
1056
00:54:33.429 --> 00:54:39.739
you mercilessly. So know that going in. Also, with regards
1057
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:45.519
to our fly commentary track, this is from Abraham Guzman,
1058
00:54:45.539 --> 00:54:48.280
who says, I never really listened to your commentaries, but
1059
00:54:48.340 --> 00:54:51.079
I had to for this one. It's one of my
1060
00:54:51.139 --> 00:54:54.860
favorite films, probably my favorite horror movie, definitely my favorite
1061
00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:57.840
body horror. I was not disappointed. I enjoyed your comments
1062
00:54:57.900 --> 00:54:59.679
and how you first saw it. For me, it was
1063
00:54:59.739 --> 00:55:05.400
on USA Network in the 90s. So I would put
1064
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:10.750
that probably in the late 90s, I'm guessing. It's fascinating
1065
00:55:10.789 --> 00:55:14.409
how many people discovered that movie on television. Yeah, that's
1066
00:55:14.449 --> 00:55:15.650
what we were talking about, right?
1067
00:55:16.570 --> 00:55:19.949
Yeah, we saw it, both you and I, on Fox
1068
00:55:19.949 --> 00:55:22.570
32 in the Chicagoland area.
1069
00:55:22.590 --> 00:55:26.429
Completely by chance. We happened probably at the exact same moment. Probably, yeah.
1070
00:55:27.630 --> 00:55:32.380
Happened to be, and little did we know, right, that
1071
00:55:32.380 --> 00:55:33.679
30 years later, here we'd be.
1072
00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:36.780
We'd be talking about it with Abraham right here.
1073
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:39.280
That's right. I love that. And I'm glad that he
1074
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:40.800
checked it out, that he gave it a shot, and
1075
00:55:40.820 --> 00:55:41.610
that he enjoyed it.
1076
00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:43.280
I hope he enjoys some of the other commentaries, too.
1077
00:55:44.139 --> 00:55:47.360
It is, you know, we talk often about the commentary tracks,
1078
00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:52.130
how they represent different experiences for different listeners.
1079
00:55:52.389 --> 00:55:52.530
Mm-hmm.
1080
00:55:53.670 --> 00:55:55.690
Because we get plenty of letters from folks who are like,
1081
00:55:55.710 --> 00:55:57.489
I never even heard of that movie, but I just
1082
00:55:57.530 --> 00:55:58.920
played the commentary because I wanted to hear you guys
1083
00:55:58.960 --> 00:55:59.360
talk about it.
1084
00:55:59.679 --> 00:55:59.820
Mm-hmm.
1085
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:05.860
Which is obviously, that's incredibly kind. That's nice that people
1086
00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:08.079
like doing that, right? Yeah. It means a lot. It's
1087
00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:08.699
very encouraging.
1088
00:56:09.260 --> 00:56:09.460
Right.
1089
00:56:09.659 --> 00:56:12.719
But I totally get that. For a lot of folks,
1090
00:56:12.739 --> 00:56:14.079
they'll be like, well, I don't know what that movie is,
1091
00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:14.980
or I don't have it in front of me. I
1092
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:17.489
don't remember it. I'm not going to listen to the commentary.
1093
00:56:17.550 --> 00:56:21.190
But if you know the movie well enough, then there's
1094
00:56:21.210 --> 00:56:26.239
your in, right? Mm-hmm. I get it. Yeah. Yeah.
1095
00:56:26.340 --> 00:56:28.099
And by the way, now, as long as we're talking
1096
00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:31.079
about commentaries, actually, I saw, you know, Rob's message and
1097
00:56:31.099 --> 00:56:33.079
I was kind of curious about she's all that. And
1098
00:56:33.139 --> 00:56:37.760
it is one of our higher listen to episodes.
1099
00:56:38.179 --> 00:56:40.500
So just throwing that out there. Is that right? Yeah,
1100
00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:43.849
it is. Or commentaries, at least. Amazing. You never know.
1101
00:56:44.130 --> 00:56:44.730
But that's the thing.
1102
00:56:45.989 --> 00:56:49.369
I think you and I, we like all sorts of stuff.
1103
00:56:49.829 --> 00:56:52.150
And we have memories associated with all sorts of stuff
1104
00:56:52.170 --> 00:56:52.590
growing up.
1105
00:56:52.690 --> 00:56:55.530
So why not cover all this stuff? And as always,
1106
00:56:55.590 --> 00:57:00.789
we take suggestions. Oh, yeah. Definitely. And now that the
1107
00:57:00.829 --> 00:57:04.980
horror floodgates are open, we're getting all the hostile and
1108
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:08.840
human centipede suggestions. And I just want to say, knock
1109
00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:13.860
that shit out. We're not doing it. It's not funny.
1110
00:57:14.119 --> 00:57:14.409
It is.
1111
00:57:17.130 --> 00:57:18.989
We still have to sleep at night. Cut to us
1112
00:57:19.050 --> 00:57:22.590
like six months from now. So we're watching a human centipede.
1113
00:57:24.059 --> 00:57:24.420
Three.
1114
00:57:24.659 --> 00:57:30.280
Didn't we very definitively beg off of Independence Day resurgence? Yes.
1115
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:33.760
You are on tape saying that we will never do that.
1116
00:57:33.780 --> 00:57:37.099
I was like, as God is my witness, I think
1117
00:57:37.139 --> 00:57:38.159
you might have.
1118
00:57:38.260 --> 00:57:40.599
Basically said that. And then, yeah, sure enough, we did
1119
00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:46.090
cover that. So, so, so never say never. But human centipede,
1120
00:57:46.300 --> 00:57:48.230
about as close to never as you can get.
1121
00:57:48.389 --> 00:57:53.190
I would say, yeah, that is definitely on the never list.
1122
00:57:54.889 --> 00:57:58.309
I've never seen it. Have you? Man, I don't need
1123
00:57:58.349 --> 00:58:00.030
that shit in my head. Are you kidding me? No,
1124
00:58:00.090 --> 00:58:04.619
I haven't. I'm good. Thanks. No, I'm good too.
1125
00:58:04.780 --> 00:58:05.059
I'm good.
1126
00:58:05.699 --> 00:58:10.599
The fact that dude had that idea and did not
1127
00:58:10.659 --> 00:58:14.889
even have the shame to Of keeping it to himself.
1128
00:58:17.130 --> 00:58:22.800
You know what I mean? He spent some time. He
1129
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:25.340
wrote it down. He diagrammed it.
1130
00:58:25.739 --> 00:58:28.840
He knocked on doors. He got people to give him money.
1131
00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:35.570
People were paid to set up lights, connect cables, edit,
1132
00:58:36.289 --> 00:58:37.150
mix sound.
1133
00:58:38.250 --> 00:58:41.429
It happened. It happened. Follow your dreams, kids.
1134
00:58:41.780 --> 00:58:46.039
If that can happen, your dreams should happen too.
1135
00:58:48.539 --> 00:58:51.679
The fact that his dream happened and yours have not
1136
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:59.320
is an indictment of you as a person. Sort that out.
1137
00:59:02.550 --> 00:59:03.369
Reflect a little.
1138
00:59:04.289 --> 00:59:05.050
No, no, no.
1139
00:59:05.269 --> 00:59:07.010
I take it the other way. I think that means
1140
00:59:07.510 --> 00:59:09.980
don't be afraid to ask. Don't ever be afraid to ask.
1141
00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:10.320
Ask.
1142
00:59:10.340 --> 00:59:12.760
Because if that person wasn't afraid to ask and it happened,
1143
00:59:13.099 --> 00:59:15.699
you have no idea what might be.
1144
00:59:15.900 --> 00:59:20.239
This guy is like, it's a movie about four people
1145
00:59:20.300 --> 00:59:22.480
who are sewn together ass to mouth.
1146
00:59:24.219 --> 00:59:28.650
Yes. Apologies to people who didn't know that four seconds ago.
1147
00:59:29.070 --> 00:59:29.389
Yes.
1148
00:59:29.909 --> 00:59:30.070
Yes.
1149
00:59:30.550 --> 00:59:33.030
You're welcome.
1150
00:59:33.090 --> 00:59:33.309
Yes.
1151
00:59:33.570 --> 00:59:35.909
No, but yes, yes, yes. And he got that movie made.
1152
00:59:35.969 --> 00:59:42.579
I think there's like two of them. Yeah. Yeah, there is. That, yeah.
1153
00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:45.920
You never know. You got to ask. You got to ask.
1154
00:59:49.019 --> 00:59:50.980
That's the lesson I'm taking from this. If the human
1155
00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:54.429
centipede guy got funding for his movie, you can too.
1156
00:59:56.829 --> 00:59:58.530
That's the positive takeaway.
1157
00:59:59.690 --> 00:59:59.869
Right.
1158
01:00:00.340 --> 01:00:01.760
I'm trying to be better, Brian. I'm trying to be
1159
01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:05.500
more like you. See the upside. We need both. We
1160
01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:09.659
need both. See, I view that movie's existence and the
1161
01:00:09.699 --> 01:00:17.079
whole process. I'm like, that is like summoning God's wrath. Right, right, right.
1162
01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:21.400
You know? Yeah. You take it in a slightly different direction,
1163
01:00:21.420 --> 01:00:36.309
which I appreciate. Hey, we got some headlines, Brian. So
1164
01:00:36.670 --> 01:00:40.699
the last few weeks have been really, it's just, it's
1165
01:00:40.739 --> 01:00:44.840
been a lot in terms of like people passing away. Yeah.
1166
01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:48.840
And so like, as, as the name started adding up,
1167
01:00:48.860 --> 01:00:51.789
it was almost like, we should really like, we gotta
1168
01:00:51.809 --> 01:00:54.610
get on this. It's like, it's, it's becoming too much.
1169
01:00:55.010 --> 01:00:55.230
Yeah.
1170
01:00:55.469 --> 01:00:55.670
Yeah.
1171
01:00:55.690 --> 01:00:59.929
Because these are people who are pretty significant in, in
1172
01:00:59.969 --> 01:01:00.969
the things that we loved.
1173
01:01:01.769 --> 01:01:02.050
Yeah.
1174
01:01:02.170 --> 01:01:05.369
Definitely want to take some time to remember and celebrate them.
1175
01:01:06.429 --> 01:01:14.210
So Eric Bowser passed away and he is somebody who, well,
1176
01:01:14.329 --> 01:01:16.590
first of all, he was just in theaters in the
1177
01:01:16.610 --> 01:01:19.599
last few months because he was the voice of record
1178
01:01:19.699 --> 01:01:21.000
for the Looney Tunes characters.
1179
01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:21.960
Yep.
1180
01:01:22.579 --> 01:01:26.500
And so by virtue of, of a coyote versus Acme
1181
01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:28.460
escaping from the Warner brothers vault.
1182
01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:29.079
Yeah.
1183
01:01:29.619 --> 01:01:32.820
His work got to be experienced, but, He had been
1184
01:01:32.860 --> 01:01:34.860
the voice of the various Looney Tunes characters, I want
1185
01:01:34.880 --> 01:01:36.699
to say since like 2014 or thereabouts.
1186
01:01:37.460 --> 01:01:40.730
Yeah, I think he started on the Looney Tunes show.
1187
01:01:41.309 --> 01:01:43.650
Okay. That's what it's called, right? The Looney Tunes show, yeah.
1188
01:01:43.670 --> 01:01:47.949
Which is, it's like a Seinfeld-esque reimagining of the Looney
1189
01:01:47.969 --> 01:01:48.530
Tunes characters.
1190
01:01:48.610 --> 01:01:51.480
Yeah, like Bugs and Daffy are roommates in the suburbs.
1191
01:01:52.019 --> 01:01:53.199
It's very funny.
1192
01:01:53.460 --> 01:01:58.110
Really funny show. Kristen Wiig's on it. it's hysterical he
1193
01:01:58.260 --> 01:02:00.949
he wasn't playing bugs or daffy at that point just
1194
01:02:01.010 --> 01:02:04.539
yet but that was i think the first bergman yes
1195
01:02:04.739 --> 01:02:08.019
correct him uh but he started there and then it
1196
01:02:08.059 --> 01:02:10.800
just went on from there but i mean he is
1197
01:02:10.820 --> 01:02:13.980
i mean prolific i don't even know is a big
1198
01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:16.420
enough word i mean if if you've watched something that's
1199
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:20.019
been animated yeah since like 2010 or around there and
1200
01:02:20.139 --> 01:02:24.239
onward he's been involved. I mean, if you go on
1201
01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:29.420
his IMDB and scroll all his credits, it's remarkable. Yeah.
1202
01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:35.949
All of the things he's done. Well, and, and yeah, go,
1203
01:02:36.050 --> 01:02:38.510
go to YouTube. This is just like literally like a
1204
01:02:38.550 --> 01:02:42.070
month ago, I was showing my kids videos of Eric
1205
01:02:42.110 --> 01:02:46.320
Bowser doing different voices, just like running through the litany,
1206
01:02:46.340 --> 01:02:50.260
you know, all the, all the Looney Tunes familiars and,
1207
01:02:50.420 --> 01:02:55.320
you know, he, he was like the, the, he did
1208
01:02:55.559 --> 01:02:58.800
Puss in Boots when it wasn't Antonio Banderas, you know,
1209
01:02:59.300 --> 01:03:03.699
and a whole bunch of other stuff. And, and, and
1210
01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:07.889
then we get word that he, he just died. And he,
1211
01:03:08.050 --> 01:03:10.510
he was young. I mean, he, he's, he's our age.
1212
01:03:10.949 --> 01:03:11.130
Yeah.
1213
01:03:11.670 --> 01:03:15.190
Yeah. He was born December of 79. So just, just,
1214
01:03:15.429 --> 01:03:20.110
just a little bit younger than me. And it, it,
1215
01:03:20.949 --> 01:03:26.599
It was related to blood pressure, I believe. Hypertensive heart disease.
1216
01:03:26.820 --> 01:03:27.219
Yeah.
1217
01:03:27.639 --> 01:03:34.699
Yeah. Which is
just... You know, I mean, that's... I mean,
1218
01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:38.929
just like a sign of aging, I guess. You know,
1219
01:03:38.949 --> 01:03:45.090
that you have to think about this stuff. It's sobering. Right. Yeah. Gosh,
1220
01:03:45.150 --> 01:03:47.550
I mean, he was... he's the guy.
1221
01:03:47.570 --> 01:03:48.210
Yeah.
1222
01:03:48.389 --> 01:03:48.969
You know what I mean?
1223
01:03:49.130 --> 01:03:51.250
Like he, he, I know, like I'm saying, I like,
1224
01:03:52.369 --> 01:03:54.289
I'm scrolling through stuff right now. I mean, I'm like
1225
01:03:54.329 --> 01:04:01.010
looking like Alvin, the chipmunks, Flintstones, Scooby-Doo, Looney Tunes, Ninja Turtles,
1226
01:04:01.309 --> 01:04:04.909
Space Jam, like, uh, Bob's burgers. Uh, he was, uh,
1227
01:04:04.989 --> 01:04:08.469
did young voices on young Jedi adventures, super Mario galaxy movie.
1228
01:04:08.489 --> 01:04:10.389
Like he was the guy.
1229
01:04:10.409 --> 01:04:11.190
Right.
1230
01:04:11.329 --> 01:04:13.210
And he would have been doing this for a very
1231
01:04:13.269 --> 01:04:13.789
long time.
1232
01:04:14.110 --> 01:04:14.389
Yeah.
1233
01:04:14.969 --> 01:04:19.000
And, uh, and you know, I work in animation and
1234
01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:23.460
so I've met him and, uh, all the people I
1235
01:04:23.500 --> 01:04:25.599
work with, I think have encountered him at some point
1236
01:04:25.659 --> 01:04:28.659
or he's voiced something on something they've worked on. So
1237
01:04:28.719 --> 01:04:33.570
it definitely sent ripples through, uh, through that world for sure.
1238
01:04:33.610 --> 01:04:38.090
Yeah. With, uh, all my colleagues. Like, I'm glad that
1239
01:04:38.889 --> 01:04:41.090
coyote versus Acme is out there so that people can
1240
01:04:41.150 --> 01:04:43.590
hear one of his final performances.
1241
01:04:43.610 --> 01:04:47.360
Yeah. Yes, yes, and it was a great movie, and
1242
01:04:47.420 --> 01:04:50.480
he was doing the iconic characters. Yeah, I'm really glad
1243
01:04:50.980 --> 01:04:52.920
that everyone will get to see that. I'm glad he
1244
01:04:52.960 --> 01:04:54.389
got to see that come out.
1245
01:04:54.909 --> 01:04:55.170
Yeah.
1246
01:04:55.809 --> 01:04:58.190
Yeah, I mean, he mastered those characters, right? I mean,
1247
01:04:58.869 --> 01:05:01.250
you and I have experienced a couple times in our
1248
01:05:01.289 --> 01:05:06.650
lives a strange thing where, like with the Muppets, you know,
1249
01:05:06.969 --> 01:05:09.150
Jim Henson is Kermit the Frog.
1250
01:05:09.639 --> 01:05:09.900
Right.
1251
01:05:10.019 --> 01:05:12.519
And then in our lifetime, Jim Henson passes away and
1252
01:05:12.559 --> 01:05:15.739
we've seen other people do Kermit's voice. And sometimes it
1253
01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:17.590
gets kind of close and sometimes we're like, Ooh, Hmm.
1254
01:05:18.460 --> 01:05:20.940
You know, cause we will always have Jim Henson's voice
1255
01:05:20.980 --> 01:05:21.519
in our heads.
1256
01:05:22.760 --> 01:05:23.000
Right.
1257
01:05:23.380 --> 01:05:27.599
And similarly, we grew up with Mel Blanc doing the
1258
01:05:27.619 --> 01:05:30.489
majority of the Looney Tunes characters. And when he passed away,
1259
01:05:30.989 --> 01:05:33.429
we've heard various people do Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, and
1260
01:05:33.510 --> 01:05:37.530
sometimes it's closer. And sometimes it's, you know, we remember
1261
01:05:37.590 --> 01:05:38.809
something different in our minds.
1262
01:05:39.320 --> 01:05:39.559
Right.
1263
01:05:39.860 --> 01:05:42.900
But, like, Bowser nailed these characters.
1264
01:05:43.550 --> 01:05:43.800
Right.
1265
01:05:44.110 --> 01:05:44.429
You know?
1266
01:05:45.010 --> 01:05:49.530
Like, from the soul of the characters, their attitudes, to
1267
01:05:50.630 --> 01:05:54.050
the unique qualities in the sounds of their voices.
1268
01:05:55.269 --> 01:06:00.050
You know? And he had such joy in being the
1269
01:06:00.130 --> 01:06:01.639
steward of these characters.
1270
01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:02.070
Right.
1271
01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:06.179
You know? Like, he understood what a privilege it was.
1272
01:06:06.539 --> 01:06:06.679
Right.
1273
01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:11.800
And he respected that. And it was so great to
1274
01:06:11.860 --> 01:06:17.099
see him making the promo rounds in support of this film. Literally, again,
1275
01:06:18.079 --> 01:06:21.900
like a month and a half ago. And so to
1276
01:06:21.940 --> 01:06:24.960
get this news, I mean, it was really, like you said,
1277
01:06:24.980 --> 01:06:27.840
it was sobering. But it just, I mean, this is
1278
01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:32.099
a young guy. He has young kids. Really, really sad. He,
1279
01:06:33.199 --> 01:06:35.610
I just saw in the last day or so, he
1280
01:06:35.619 --> 01:06:39.820
had made an appearance on uh, Melissa via seniors podcast.
1281
01:06:41.019 --> 01:06:45.519
And he did, uh, he performed the Liam Neeson taken
1282
01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:52.579
monologue as porky pig. And it is one of the
1283
01:06:52.659 --> 01:06:55.869
goddamn funniest things I've seen. You know, that is hilarious.
1284
01:06:56.190 --> 01:06:56.510
Yeah.
1285
01:06:57.670 --> 01:07:00.409
I love her by the way. Oh, she's great. She's
1286
01:07:00.449 --> 01:07:05.730
such a great voice artist also. Yeah. Um, But yeah,
1287
01:07:05.769 --> 01:07:08.110
I mean, this new generation, I mean, you know, as
1288
01:07:08.150 --> 01:07:11.750
you said, Eric Bauza was not the first person to
1289
01:07:11.809 --> 01:07:16.860
succeed Mel Blanc as the voice of the Looney Tunes characters.
1290
01:07:17.469 --> 01:07:21.559
And Warner Brothers had made it a policy that after
1291
01:07:21.619 --> 01:07:27.099
Mel Blanc, they had multiple people do the voices for
1292
01:07:27.119 --> 01:07:29.940
specifically this reason so that you wouldn't have a situation
1293
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:31.780
where now what, you know?
1294
01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:32.570
Interesting.
1295
01:07:32.590 --> 01:07:36.849
Interesting. So after Mel Blanc, you had Noel Blanc, his son.
1296
01:07:37.289 --> 01:07:40.030
You had Jeff Bergman and Eric Bauza. And, you know,
1297
01:07:41.219 --> 01:07:46.179
I think that it tells you something that the characterization
1298
01:07:46.320 --> 01:07:49.960
that Mel Blanc established is elastic enough that you have
1299
01:07:49.980 --> 01:07:52.840
these multiple performers playing, but they all sound like Bugs Bunny.
1300
01:07:53.340 --> 01:07:53.460
Mm-hmm.
1301
01:07:54.179 --> 01:07:57.679
Right? Like, it isn't like a Kermit situation or what
1302
01:07:57.699 --> 01:07:58.949
have you. Right.
1303
01:07:59.010 --> 01:08:01.110
I think, yeah, Kermit has struggled a little bit more.
1304
01:08:02.670 --> 01:08:05.639
Yeah. Yeah. Like in the recent time.
1305
01:08:05.659 --> 01:08:05.780
Right.
1306
01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:10.019
Because the new ish Kermit voice is kind of people
1307
01:08:10.039 --> 01:08:13.559
are sort of trying to wrap their brains around it. Yeah.
1308
01:08:13.820 --> 01:08:14.519
Yeah. Right.
1309
01:08:14.920 --> 01:08:16.600
And by the way, like no easy feat.
1310
01:08:17.619 --> 01:08:21.260
You know what I mean? Because, again, it's especially for
1311
01:08:21.520 --> 01:08:24.100
people like us who, you know, it was seared into
1312
01:08:24.140 --> 01:08:26.079
our minds. Kermit was Jim Henson.
1313
01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:28.579
That's right. You know, so that's it. It's going to
1314
01:08:28.600 --> 01:08:30.560
be chasing that for the rest of our lives, at least.
1315
01:08:31.979 --> 01:08:37.899
Who did the voice of Baby Kermit on Muppet Babies?
1316
01:08:40.220 --> 01:08:46.579
Was it like Dave Coulier? Or no, it was Frank Welker. Okay. Okay.
1317
01:08:46.979 --> 01:08:48.180
Of course it was Frank Welker.
1318
01:08:48.810 --> 01:08:49.020
Yeah.
1319
01:08:51.069 --> 01:08:54.109
But in terms of voiceover titans, we've already lost Peter
1320
01:08:54.149 --> 01:08:59.130
Cullen this year and Eric Bowser in that same, you know,
1321
01:08:59.829 --> 01:09:09.319
same arena. Obviously, you know, vastly different approaches and yet
1322
01:09:10.279 --> 01:09:11.479
equally saddening, you know?
1323
01:09:11.779 --> 01:09:15.060
Yep. Yep. I mean, he would have been doing this
1324
01:09:15.239 --> 01:09:17.010
and dominating for a very long time.
1325
01:09:17.430 --> 01:09:18.109
A very long time.
1326
01:09:18.289 --> 01:09:18.510
Yeah.
1327
01:09:20.090 --> 01:09:23.449
Uh, another, another passing Susan St. James. Are you familiar
1328
01:09:23.470 --> 01:09:24.130
with Susan St.
1329
01:09:24.170 --> 01:09:24.489
James?
1330
01:09:25.470 --> 01:09:27.399
No, I had to look her up.
1331
01:09:27.909 --> 01:09:30.850
So, so she was on, she was on a couple shows, uh,
1332
01:09:31.590 --> 01:09:33.180
McMillan and wife, which I don't know if you've ever
1333
01:09:33.229 --> 01:09:37.100
heard of. I, I know that title. It feels like
1334
01:09:37.140 --> 01:09:39.119
that would be a title he'd know, right? Yeah.
1335
01:09:39.180 --> 01:09:41.340
It's just one of those things that gets referenced sometimes,
1336
01:09:42.039 --> 01:09:43.060
but yeah, I've never seen it.
1337
01:09:43.619 --> 01:09:48.600
It was with, uh, her and, uh, and, um, uh, uh, what,
1338
01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:55.430
what's his name? Rock Hudson. Okay. And that was like
1339
01:09:55.569 --> 01:10:00.840
a procedural. Well, I guess it was a procedural. It
1340
01:10:00.850 --> 01:10:08.579
was part of the NBC mystery wheel. So they would
1341
01:10:08.619 --> 01:10:16.250
have McCloud and Columbo and Macmillan and wife was one
1342
01:10:16.270 --> 01:10:18.529
of these. So I used to see this because it
1343
01:10:18.569 --> 01:10:22.930
would come on in Saudi Arabia. And over there, whatever
1344
01:10:22.949 --> 01:10:25.329
was on, I would watch, you know, but she was
1345
01:10:25.409 --> 01:10:28.050
on a sitcom called Kate and Allie.
1346
01:10:28.529 --> 01:10:28.770
Right.
1347
01:10:29.390 --> 01:10:31.729
Which that you must've heard of, right? I have heard
1348
01:10:31.770 --> 01:10:35.689
of that. Okay. So that was with Jane Curtin. And again,
1349
01:10:35.729 --> 01:10:37.090
that was, I used to watch it all the time
1350
01:10:37.149 --> 01:10:38.930
cause they would come on over there. And I, you know,
1351
01:10:38.949 --> 01:10:42.350
I remember finding it amusing, but, um, she was 80
1352
01:10:42.350 --> 01:10:44.710
years old. She was married to Don Ulmeier who was
1353
01:10:44.829 --> 01:10:48.149
former NBC head. He, he took over SNL.
1354
01:10:48.180 --> 01:10:49.350
Yeah. Yeah.
1355
01:10:50.170 --> 01:10:53.250
After Lorne Michaels and before Lorne Michaels, after the Gene
1356
01:10:53.270 --> 01:10:57.689
Dumanian era. Right, right, right, right, yeah, yeah. But, I mean,
1357
01:10:58.630 --> 01:11:01.869
extremely talented, very funny. That show was great, even though
1358
01:11:01.890 --> 01:11:03.569
it has sort of like dropped down the memory hole.
1359
01:11:05.069 --> 01:11:07.430
Yeah, it's another one of those things. I know that title,
1360
01:11:08.300 --> 01:11:10.079
but I don't think I've ever seen it. McMillan and
1361
01:11:10.100 --> 01:11:11.479
Wife was 71 to 77. Kate and Allie was 84
1362
01:11:11.479 --> 01:11:12.399
to 89. 84 to 89, that's right.
1363
01:11:15.819 --> 01:11:18.479
And Macmillan and wife, I mean, that's, you know, it's
1364
01:11:18.539 --> 01:11:21.560
probably on some streaming services, I suspect. Caden Alley is
1365
01:11:21.619 --> 01:11:26.510
one of those, it's just well known enough to have
1366
01:11:27.310 --> 01:11:31.149
the whole series on YouTube. Okay. And nobody's bothering to
1367
01:11:31.210 --> 01:11:34.939
pull it down type of situation. Sure, sure, sure. But
1368
01:11:34.989 --> 01:11:38.520
it's weird because it lasted like a hundred something, a
1369
01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:43.840
syndication level of episodes, right? But, I mean, just the
1370
01:11:43.899 --> 01:11:46.869
broader thought I have is, I mean, she was like
1371
01:11:47.069 --> 01:11:51.069
youngish when we were kids. And we're now at that
1372
01:11:51.170 --> 01:11:53.229
age where the people who were youngish when we were
1373
01:11:53.270 --> 01:11:57.359
kids are now leaving. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's sort
1374
01:11:57.399 --> 01:12:00.619
of like that sobering realization you have also, you know?
1375
01:12:01.199 --> 01:12:01.479
Yeah.
1376
01:12:02.159 --> 01:12:08.199
Yeah. She was 80. She will be missed. Yeah. Also,
1377
01:12:08.439 --> 01:12:13.920
shortly after, it's been a bad week for Star Trek fans,
1378
01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:18.880
I should say. First, Walter Koenig died. Yeah. Walter Koenig,
1379
01:12:18.899 --> 01:12:20.659
who just a few months ago, you and I were
1380
01:12:20.699 --> 01:12:23.140
talking through Star Trek IV, The Voyage Home, and we
1381
01:12:23.579 --> 01:12:27.060
were commenting on how fun and charming he was in
1382
01:12:27.649 --> 01:12:32.149
that film. He played Chekov, of course. And here's a guy,
1383
01:12:32.189 --> 01:12:35.649
he was 90 years old, and if we're being honest,
1384
01:12:36.510 --> 01:12:38.289
he was known for one role.
1385
01:12:38.680 --> 01:12:38.939
Yeah.
1386
01:12:39.770 --> 01:12:41.260
He played a bunch of other roles. He had done
1387
01:12:41.319 --> 01:12:42.840
other stuff. He had done a lot of good stuff.
1388
01:12:43.449 --> 01:12:45.310
But he was known as Chekhov.
1389
01:12:45.750 --> 01:12:45.909
Yep.
1390
01:12:46.890 --> 01:12:50.590
Starting in the second season, the original Star Trek, all
1391
01:12:50.630 --> 01:12:53.479
six of the original movies, the first Next Generation movie,
1392
01:12:54.359 --> 01:12:59.720
quite an impressive run, right? And by all accounts, a
1393
01:12:59.920 --> 01:13:06.520
very charming, self-effacing guy. I think he knew what he
1394
01:13:06.550 --> 01:13:10.409
was known for, and he was fine with it. But
1395
01:13:10.430 --> 01:13:13.710
I was thinking, it's like when we talk about typecasting...
1396
01:13:13.550 --> 01:13:15.630
And how that's a bad thing or it might be
1397
01:13:15.670 --> 01:13:22.289
construed as a bad thing. You're remembered. Right. Right? And
1398
01:13:22.329 --> 01:13:24.250
that's got to mean something, you know?
1399
01:13:24.789 --> 01:13:27.710
I can imagine when you're in your 40s or something,
1400
01:13:28.789 --> 01:13:29.890
it feeling like a burden.
1401
01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:31.140
Right.
1402
01:13:31.189 --> 01:13:34.420
But then later in life where people still want to
1403
01:13:34.479 --> 01:13:37.359
talk about this thing that you did and you still
1404
01:13:37.380 --> 01:13:41.039
mean a lot to them and this character will live
1405
01:13:41.199 --> 01:13:44.510
on because of what you brought to that, that role.
1406
01:13:45.149 --> 01:13:45.510
Right.
1407
01:13:45.689 --> 01:13:49.189
That's not
something a lot of actors get, you know,
1408
01:13:49.250 --> 01:13:51.890
they don't get to experience that something so iconic and
1409
01:13:51.949 --> 01:13:56.079
memorable that will outlive you. And so I'm sure.
1410
01:13:56.100 --> 01:14:02.159
Yeah. Later on, he probably really appreciated that. I think that,
1411
01:14:03.100 --> 01:14:05.880
or I hope he did. I'll say, well, I think
1412
01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:11.420
he recognized that, you know, his connection to that show
1413
01:14:11.479 --> 01:14:15.859
had given him a cultural longevity that many actors of
1414
01:14:15.920 --> 01:14:21.229
his vintage or even younger never get, you know, and
1415
01:14:21.270 --> 01:14:23.210
that was something special. And I know, you know, he would,
1416
01:14:23.449 --> 01:14:26.130
he would appear at, at conventions all the time. I know.
1417
01:14:26.390 --> 01:14:28.909
I remember seeing him doing signings and stuff and, you know,
1418
01:14:29.090 --> 01:14:31.869
there was always a healthy number of people waiting to
1419
01:14:31.930 --> 01:14:33.890
see him and that, you know, that makes you happy.
1420
01:14:34.109 --> 01:14:34.350
Yeah.
1421
01:14:34.850 --> 01:14:39.409
Right. I saw something posted about his passing. This was
1422
01:14:39.470 --> 01:14:44.479
by an author named Mark Cushman, who wrote books about
1423
01:14:44.529 --> 01:14:47.319
the making of the original series. And he said this,
1424
01:14:47.359 --> 01:14:50.300
he says, I've been mourning this for a couple months,
1425
01:14:50.359 --> 01:14:53.500
but remained silent about Walter's condition out of respect for
1426
01:14:53.539 --> 01:14:56.340
his privacy. Walter and I had been close for about
1427
01:14:56.340 --> 01:14:59.600
15 years. We visited one another often, as well as
1428
01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:02.670
doing radio interview shows and appearing on stage together. He
1429
01:15:02.710 --> 01:15:05.189
wrote the foreword for my season two volume of These
1430
01:15:05.229 --> 01:15:08.350
Are the Voyages original series books, and again for one
1431
01:15:08.369 --> 01:15:11.449
of my books on Star Trek in the 1970s. At
1432
01:15:11.489 --> 01:15:14.090
his invitation, I gave him notes on his beaming up
1433
01:15:14.149 --> 01:15:16.409
and getting off memoir while he was writing it, and
1434
01:15:16.449 --> 01:15:18.649
he did likewise for me on a couple of my books.
1435
01:15:19.189 --> 01:15:23.409
He was always a pleasure, smart, sensitive, and funny. For
1436
01:15:23.439 --> 01:15:26.119
the last couple of months, Walter knew the end was near.
1437
01:15:27.420 --> 01:15:30.340
He was in complete acceptance and retained his unique sense
1438
01:15:30.359 --> 01:15:34.010
of humor. That was so impressive to me. Even while
1439
01:15:34.069 --> 01:15:36.789
confined to bed and awaiting the end, he was in
1440
01:15:36.869 --> 01:15:40.390
good spirits with me and I can only expect with
1441
01:15:40.430 --> 01:15:43.029
everyone who called
or visited. He felt he'd lived a
1442
01:15:43.100 --> 01:15:45.439
full life. He told me that the things that used
1443
01:15:45.479 --> 01:15:48.119
to bother him, as some things will bother any of us,
1444
01:15:48.539 --> 01:15:52.359
didn't anymore. He was at peace. He provided a humble
1445
01:15:52.520 --> 01:15:55.079
and blissful example of how we should all want to
1446
01:15:55.119 --> 01:15:59.149
be in our final months, weeks, and days. God bless you, Walter.
1447
01:15:59.250 --> 01:16:01.640
We'll miss you. but you will continue to live in
1448
01:16:01.699 --> 01:16:04.779
our memories and hearts. You're up among the stars now,
1449
01:16:04.840 --> 01:16:07.000
dear friend. Wow.
1450
01:16:07.840 --> 01:16:10.380
That's a lovely tribute. And that's really nice to hear.
1451
01:16:10.399 --> 01:16:10.479
Yeah.
1452
01:16:11.020 --> 01:16:17.810
Yeah. His son, um, was Andrew Koenig. He was, uh, uh,
1453
01:16:18.550 --> 01:16:22.529
you know, from growing pains. He was Mike's friend boner. Oh, really?
1454
01:16:22.550 --> 01:16:23.090
Yeah.
1455
01:16:23.109 --> 01:16:26.229
That was his son. And he, you know, he had
1456
01:16:26.289 --> 01:16:32.479
taken his own life, um, I think in 2012 or thereabouts. Oh,
1457
01:16:32.520 --> 01:16:33.399
I forgot about that.
1458
01:16:33.939 --> 01:16:34.300
Yeah.
1459
01:16:34.979 --> 01:16:38.760
And, you know, I can't think of any torture worse
1460
01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:43.819
for a parent than having to outlive their child. Yeah. But,
1461
01:16:46.020 --> 01:16:48.939
you know, he did speak about it and he spoke,
1462
01:16:49.520 --> 01:16:53.489
you know, I mean, obviously, in terms of the mental
1463
01:16:53.529 --> 01:16:56.050
health issues that dogged his son, he was, you know,
1464
01:16:57.010 --> 01:17:01.279
he had sort of come to Some grips with it,
1465
01:17:01.300 --> 01:17:03.239
but it was something that they dealt with for a
1466
01:17:03.260 --> 01:17:06.140
long time, you know? But I.
1467
01:17:08.140 --> 01:17:10.300
That part of it makes me sad, you know, to
1468
01:17:10.340 --> 01:17:11.880
live with that loss for so long.
1469
01:17:12.579 --> 01:17:13.039
Yeah.
1470
01:17:13.800 --> 01:17:15.840
Yeah. I didn't know that.
1471
01:17:16.640 --> 01:17:16.899
Yeah.
1472
01:17:19.039 --> 01:17:22.000
And like you... I mean, when we were talking about
1473
01:17:23.060 --> 01:17:26.319
Star Trek IV, you know, he was 50 in that. Huh.
1474
01:17:26.680 --> 01:17:26.899
Wow.
1475
01:17:27.850 --> 01:17:31.300
You know, a sprightly 50. Yeah, in his badass jacket.
1476
01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:35.520
In that one, yeah.
1477
01:17:36.460 --> 01:17:40.439
And well, that's the thing, you know, is he sort
1478
01:17:40.479 --> 01:17:44.640
of had this recognition, like, I'm not the lead. I'm
1479
01:17:44.920 --> 01:17:48.810
guy number six on the call sheet. And he would
1480
01:17:48.850 --> 01:17:50.489
show up for the movies and he'd be happy if
1481
01:17:50.510 --> 01:17:51.850
he got a scene or two, you know?
1482
01:17:52.170 --> 01:17:52.390
Yeah.
1483
01:17:53.069 --> 01:17:54.750
And he knew how his bread was buttered. He was
1484
01:17:54.789 --> 01:17:59.229
a working actor. And in that sense, he was happy
1485
01:17:59.250 --> 01:18:03.920
to be working. But people are going to be watching
1486
01:18:03.960 --> 01:18:04.680
Star Trek forever.
1487
01:18:05.119 --> 01:18:05.380
Yeah.
1488
01:18:06.340 --> 01:18:10.970
So his work is going to live on forever. So
1489
01:18:11.029 --> 01:18:17.550
that happens on a Monday. And then Thursday, talk about
1490
01:18:17.970 --> 01:18:22.029
a punch to the stomach. While you're already reeling, Patrick
1491
01:18:22.050 --> 01:18:23.789
Stewart passed away. Yeah.
1492
01:18:24.130 --> 01:18:29.810
He was 86 and apparently died from Alzheimer's disease and
1493
01:18:30.029 --> 01:18:31.529
Lewy body dementia.
1494
01:18:32.840 --> 01:18:37.640
My son texted me. He says, Patrick Stewart just died.
1495
01:18:39.579 --> 01:18:42.039
And I texted him back. I said, no.
1496
01:18:42.060 --> 01:18:45.310
No, no, no, no, no. Yeah.
1497
01:18:46.270 --> 01:18:47.779
And it, I had to sit down.
1498
01:18:48.289 --> 01:18:48.569
Yeah.
1499
01:18:49.350 --> 01:18:52.670
I literally, you know, I, I was like, no, he's,
1500
01:18:52.850 --> 01:18:56.890
he's going to live forever. He's supposed to live forever.
1501
01:18:57.850 --> 01:18:58.770
He's captain Picard.
1502
01:19:00.210 --> 01:19:00.470
I know.
1503
01:19:00.569 --> 01:19:02.800
I had that same feeling because I think part of
1504
01:19:02.840 --> 01:19:05.699
it for me, I'll say is he's looked similar.
1505
01:19:05.720 --> 01:19:07.479
Yeah. For so long.
1506
01:19:07.800 --> 01:19:08.020
Yeah.
1507
01:19:09.060 --> 01:19:10.840
That it just felt like he would be here forever.
1508
01:19:11.420 --> 01:19:11.640
Yeah.
1509
01:19:11.819 --> 01:19:13.890
He was there when I was younger. He's there when
1510
01:19:13.899 --> 01:19:15.970
I'm older. Why wouldn't he always be here?
1511
01:19:16.670 --> 01:19:16.869
Right.
1512
01:19:17.130 --> 01:19:17.390
You know?
1513
01:19:18.810 --> 01:19:23.810
And it is one of those things where over the
1514
01:19:23.850 --> 01:19:26.510
last several years, you could tell his voice was thinner.
1515
01:19:26.970 --> 01:19:27.229
Yes.
1516
01:19:27.689 --> 01:19:32.220
Yes. His gait was a little unsteadier. I mean, he
1517
01:19:32.260 --> 01:19:33.619
was showing his age, right?
1518
01:19:34.020 --> 01:19:34.199
Yeah.
1519
01:19:34.760 --> 01:19:37.659
And what's crazy, by the way, is when Star Trek
1520
01:19:37.680 --> 01:19:39.810
The Next Generation started, He was 47.
1521
01:19:39.810 --> 01:19:39.970
Okay.
1522
01:19:39.989 --> 01:19:46.949
So that's one of those data points, right? That's amazing. Yeah.
1523
01:19:47.850 --> 01:19:52.670
The role he'll be most identified with didn't come to
1524
01:19:52.689 --> 01:19:53.479
him until he was 47.
1525
01:19:53.479 --> 01:19:53.840
Yeah.
1526
01:19:54.489 --> 01:19:58.159
There is something oddly comforting about that. I know. I'm
1527
01:19:58.180 --> 01:20:05.340
sure you and I are both like, that's nice. And famously,
1528
01:20:05.819 --> 01:20:10.640
he got the gig. I should say, over the protests
1529
01:20:10.779 --> 01:20:13.859
of Gene Roddenberry, who could not get over the fact
1530
01:20:14.340 --> 01:20:19.569
that my man was bald, right? And, you know, Roddenberry
1531
01:20:19.850 --> 01:20:21.989
later on was like, well, you know, in the future,
1532
01:20:22.529 --> 01:20:25.069
people won't care about whether you're bald or not bald.
1533
01:20:25.130 --> 01:20:28.850
And it's like, that's him like retconning himself. Very interesting.
1534
01:20:28.869 --> 01:20:32.329
Because it's like, he very much cared, you know? Yeah.
1535
01:20:32.430 --> 01:20:35.449
That was, you know, the producers really had to push
1536
01:20:35.520 --> 01:20:38.090
to get Patrick Stewart that gig but regardless I mean
1537
01:20:38.130 --> 01:20:43.140
he made it his own right he he he became
1538
01:20:43.340 --> 01:20:48.380
iconic in a way that it like it's it's hard
1539
01:20:48.439 --> 01:20:55.359
to think of a time where you couldn't see him
1540
01:20:55.420 --> 01:20:57.079
as the captain of the Enterprise you know what I
1541
01:20:57.100 --> 01:21:01.659
mean right right but that time definitely existed because it
1542
01:21:01.699 --> 01:21:06.000
was like hey who's this old bald guy I want
1543
01:21:06.199 --> 01:21:08.720
that other old bald guy, but the bald guy who's
1544
01:21:08.760 --> 01:21:09.680
pretending to have hair.
1545
01:21:11.359 --> 01:21:13.819
Well, that's... I mean, I didn't watch it when it
1546
01:21:13.920 --> 01:21:14.600
first aired.
1547
01:21:14.979 --> 01:21:15.220
Yeah.
1548
01:21:15.260 --> 01:21:20.729
But I'm wondering for you, was it interesting to see
1549
01:21:20.930 --> 01:21:25.090
such a different type of captain? You know what I mean?
1550
01:21:25.109 --> 01:21:28.710
Where he's got this sort of booming voice and sort
1551
01:21:28.750 --> 01:21:32.930
of Shakespearean air about him, you know, versus.
1552
01:21:34.250 --> 01:21:36.729
I don't know the the scrappy lover boy sort of
1553
01:21:36.970 --> 01:21:40.069
captain kirk thing was that did you connect with that
1554
01:21:40.130 --> 01:21:41.569
right away or did that feel like.
1555
01:21:41.529 --> 01:21:44.609
Oh no no i didn't yeah i for sure didn't
1556
01:21:44.649 --> 01:21:47.789
because i remember uh fall of 87 you know i
1557
01:21:47.810 --> 01:21:50.890
mean this is pre-internet and also like you know i
1558
01:21:50.909 --> 01:21:53.569
was living overseas and and i was visiting my friend
1559
01:21:53.609 --> 01:21:55.489
and he's like hey here's this star trek the next
1560
01:21:55.510 --> 01:21:57.729
generation i'm like what the hell is that right um
1561
01:21:59.000 --> 01:22:00.579
I was like seven. I'm like, what the hell is this?
1562
01:22:01.699 --> 01:22:13.640
F you. Go suck a lemon. Zachy, no. So they
1563
01:22:13.659 --> 01:22:16.439
put it on. I'm like, no, who's this bald British guy?
1564
01:22:16.479 --> 01:22:19.239
It doesn't make any sense. And so it definitely took
1565
01:22:19.279 --> 01:22:24.529
some getting used to, absolutely. But then you take in
1566
01:22:24.550 --> 01:22:30.010
the totality of that show and everything he came to represent. And,
1567
01:22:31.310 --> 01:22:33.789
you know, I mean, it just, it was one of
1568
01:22:33.829 --> 01:22:37.520
those things where it's like, how could it be otherwise?
1569
01:22:38.479 --> 01:22:39.880
He was destined for this part.
1570
01:22:40.300 --> 01:22:40.479
Yeah.
1571
01:22:41.539 --> 01:22:45.579
He was also destined to play Professor X, by the way. Oh, yeah. Like,
1572
01:22:46.319 --> 01:22:49.800
I don't think anybody else could have even been in
1573
01:22:49.819 --> 01:22:51.819
the mix for that. It's like, no, no, come on.
1574
01:22:52.739 --> 01:22:54.930
There's like a power and a gentleness.
1575
01:22:55.510 --> 01:22:55.789
Yeah.
1576
01:22:56.010 --> 01:22:56.850
That he brings back.
1577
01:22:58.010 --> 01:23:01.010
To that role that's just so perfect.
1578
01:23:01.850 --> 01:23:06.250
I mean, seriously, you know? Both of those roles, and
1579
01:23:06.270 --> 01:23:10.829
I was thinking about how, you know, he came back
1580
01:23:10.850 --> 01:23:13.869
to Star Trek a few years ago. He did Star
1581
01:23:13.890 --> 01:23:15.489
Trek Picard for three seasons, right?
1582
01:23:15.529 --> 01:23:15.729
Right.
1583
01:23:16.569 --> 01:23:20.390
And so that got to sort of give the next
1584
01:23:20.430 --> 01:23:25.449
generation a farewell, you know? Mm-hmm. And I was like, man,
1585
01:23:25.510 --> 01:23:28.090
how lucky we are that they got to do this.
1586
01:23:28.550 --> 01:23:28.970
Yeah.
1587
01:23:29.050 --> 01:23:31.010
Yeah. And I think you had told me that when
1588
01:23:31.069 --> 01:23:34.189
Picard started, that wasn't the original direction.
1589
01:23:34.630 --> 01:23:34.989
That's right.
1590
01:23:35.149 --> 01:23:35.289
Right.
1591
01:23:35.329 --> 01:23:38.430
They were trying to sort of steer clear of a reunion.
1592
01:23:38.449 --> 01:23:38.869
Yeah.
1593
01:23:38.890 --> 01:23:40.729
But then eventually in season three.
1594
01:23:41.149 --> 01:23:44.909
Yeah. They just. They got the band back together. Like,
1595
01:23:44.949 --> 01:23:46.340
why on earth not? Right.
1596
01:23:46.949 --> 01:23:47.189
Right.
1597
01:23:48.100 --> 01:23:49.300
And thank goodness they did.
1598
01:23:49.310 --> 01:23:50.939
Yeah. Yeah.
1599
01:23:51.600 --> 01:23:55.489
Because we get to see. you know, we got to
1600
01:23:55.550 --> 01:24:01.430
see Captain Picard one last time. Actually, here's an interesting
1601
01:24:01.529 --> 01:24:07.750
point of trivia. The final episode of Star Trek Picard,
1602
01:24:08.029 --> 01:24:12.840
the third
season final episode, it starts with, so there's
1603
01:24:12.880 --> 01:24:17.460
like a galactic crisis, whatever. So we start with a
1604
01:24:17.600 --> 01:24:22.970
voiceover of the president of the Federation warning Picard ships
1605
01:24:23.149 --> 01:24:28.829
away from Earth. And the president of the Federation, his
1606
01:24:28.890 --> 01:24:34.449
name is Anton Chekhov. And he's the son of Pavel Chekhov.
1607
01:24:35.329 --> 01:24:41.590
And he's voiced by Walter Koenig. Yeah. So that last
1608
01:24:41.689 --> 01:24:45.850
episode of Star Trek, Picard is the final Star Trek
1609
01:24:45.899 --> 01:24:49.600
appearance of both Walter Koenig and Patrick Stewart, who both
1610
01:24:49.659 --> 01:24:51.359
died the same week. Wow.
1611
01:24:53.039 --> 01:24:53.359
Wow.
1612
01:24:53.920 --> 01:24:57.920
Isn't that crazy? Just random, you know? Yeah, yeah. I
1613
01:24:58.119 --> 01:25:04.329
think that also makes Walter Koenig the last original series
1614
01:25:04.390 --> 01:25:06.729
cast member to appear in Star Trek. Hmm.
1615
01:25:07.550 --> 01:25:07.710
Right.
1616
01:25:07.729 --> 01:25:10.590
I mean, I guess George Takei and Shatner are still around,
1617
01:25:10.609 --> 01:25:13.939
so I guess there's still time. But as of this moment. Man,
1618
01:25:13.979 --> 01:25:14.800
can you imagine?
1619
01:25:14.840 --> 01:25:18.680
I mean, you have this role in the 60s on this,
1620
01:25:19.039 --> 01:25:22.550
you know, network TV series. Yeah. you get to play
1621
01:25:22.590 --> 01:25:25.300
that role all the way through to like the frigging
1622
01:25:25.409 --> 01:25:29.260
future 2020, whatever, you know, like amazing.
1623
01:25:29.300 --> 01:25:29.760
Incredible.
1624
01:25:30.079 --> 01:25:30.340
Yeah.
1625
01:25:32.180 --> 01:25:35.260
Um, but yeah, I, I think, I think when it
1626
01:25:35.319 --> 01:25:39.140
came to, to Patrick Stewart, I think, I mean, my,
1627
01:25:39.220 --> 01:25:43.260
my son is like, I can't believe he's gone and
1628
01:25:43.340 --> 01:25:46.279
he's 20, you know? So you talk about a role
1629
01:25:46.340 --> 01:25:48.159
that I, I think part of it is because Patrick
1630
01:25:48.180 --> 01:25:51.850
Stewart has been present tense, um, for all our lives.
1631
01:25:53.100 --> 01:25:56.060
So it feels like he, it wasn't like he'd receded
1632
01:25:56.100 --> 01:25:57.439
into retirement, you know?
1633
01:25:57.479 --> 01:25:57.680
Right.
1634
01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:05.800
But I, I saw a piece that Gates McFadden wrote
1635
01:26:05.880 --> 01:26:10.000
for variety. So Gates McFadden, she played Dr. Crusher on
1636
01:26:10.020 --> 01:26:14.979
the next generation. And I wanted to share some of that,
1637
01:26:15.020 --> 01:26:17.989
you know, Patrick Stewart was famously close with the next
1638
01:26:18.029 --> 01:26:21.779
generation cast, the whole cast. is tight in a way
1639
01:26:21.899 --> 01:26:25.000
that like warms the heart. Oh, that's nice.
1640
01:26:25.539 --> 01:26:25.720
Right.
1641
01:26:25.840 --> 01:26:28.180
It's all, it's the opposite of the original series. I
1642
01:26:28.199 --> 01:26:30.140
was going to say, cause yeah, that doesn't always happen.
1643
01:26:31.020 --> 01:26:32.560
It's what you want. It's what you hope.
1644
01:26:32.819 --> 01:26:34.600
And then you get disappointed when you hear that isn't
1645
01:26:34.640 --> 01:26:34.979
the case.
1646
01:26:35.720 --> 01:26:40.420
Like, like Patrick Stewart told this story about, about, um, uh,
1647
01:26:40.529 --> 01:26:42.750
a play that he was acting in. And it's about
1648
01:26:42.789 --> 01:26:46.109
a man in the, in the end stages of his life.
1649
01:26:46.489 --> 01:26:50.170
And so, it ends with him looking out at the
1650
01:26:50.329 --> 01:26:53.640
audience and sort of coming to terms with his mortality
1651
01:26:53.649 --> 01:26:58.020
and essentially saying goodbye. And he described, Patrick described how
1652
01:26:58.060 --> 01:27:00.000
when he would look out in the audience, he would
1653
01:27:00.140 --> 01:27:06.239
picture his next generation cast members in the audience in
1654
01:27:06.300 --> 01:27:11.720
order to heighten his own emotional grief because the idea
1655
01:27:11.739 --> 01:27:16.710
of saying goodbye to them moved him so much. That's
1656
01:27:16.750 --> 01:27:20.789
so lovely. Right? Yeah. It's like sad and heartwarming and
1657
01:27:20.810 --> 01:27:25.229
it's all of those things, you know? Yeah. And all
1658
01:27:25.250 --> 01:27:29.430
of the cast, you know, they put out their various statements.
1659
01:27:29.470 --> 01:27:33.710
Jonathan Frakes talked about how there's no other actor he's
1660
01:27:34.109 --> 01:27:39.010
directed or acted with more than Patrick Stewart, you know? And,
1661
01:27:39.569 --> 01:27:43.590
you know, they had like a 10-year age difference, 10 plus. So,
1662
01:27:43.609 --> 01:27:46.920
I mean, it was really... talk about learning from the best, right?
1663
01:27:48.460 --> 01:27:53.640
But this is, this is from what Gates McFadden wrote.
1664
01:27:54.340 --> 01:27:57.479
And there's a, there's a, it's, it's a longer piece,
1665
01:27:57.500 --> 01:28:00.600
but this piece right here, I think is, is particularly relevant.
1666
01:28:01.699 --> 01:28:05.279
She says, one thing is for certain, Patrick's reach across
1667
01:28:05.319 --> 01:28:08.960
the continents was massive. After word of his death surfaced,
1668
01:28:09.020 --> 01:28:12.039
the internet, not surprisingly, was filled with thousands of tributes
1669
01:28:12.079 --> 01:28:15.510
of admiration and and overflowing love for the Yorkshire man.
1670
01:28:16.119 --> 01:28:18.970
He touched so many people in so many ways. Not
1671
01:28:19.050 --> 01:28:21.630
only was he captain of the Enterprise crew, he seems
1672
01:28:21.670 --> 01:28:24.550
to have been everyone's captain because of how he walked
1673
01:28:25.010 --> 01:28:29.930
in the world. A leader is great when they understand
1674
01:28:29.970 --> 01:28:33.949
sacrifice and responsibility. This is why I believe people tune
1675
01:28:33.989 --> 01:28:36.630
into Star Trek or listen to Shakespeare, music, or art
1676
01:28:36.670 --> 01:28:39.869
of any kind. We're searching for hope and elevation from
1677
01:28:39.890 --> 01:28:43.399
the daily numbness or despair. A desire to do good
1678
01:28:43.439 --> 01:28:46.100
in the world works better with both kindness and focus,
1679
01:28:46.539 --> 01:28:48.939
and it works better when we're surrounded by art and
1680
01:28:48.979 --> 01:28:54.979
invention that lifts us. Jean-Luc Picard embodied that ideal. Patrick's
1681
01:28:55.060 --> 01:28:58.550
death means the loss of Picard. which for some hurts
1682
01:28:58.649 --> 01:29:02.050
even more than the loss of Patrick Stewart. Jean-Luc gave
1683
01:29:02.109 --> 01:29:09.189
us hope. And I love that because it shows how
1684
01:29:09.250 --> 01:29:13.590
the two were intertwined in this way, right? And that's
1685
01:29:13.630 --> 01:29:16.569
the thing I've been seeing on social media. I mean,
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01:29:16.829 --> 01:29:27.960
my feed was nothing but sadness and joy a sadness
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01:29:28.020 --> 01:29:31.979
over losing Patrick Stewart, but joy over having gotten to
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01:29:32.020 --> 01:29:36.659
experience his work. And so it was incredibly cathartic, you know,
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01:29:37.319 --> 01:29:42.550
and I don't get emotional often when it, when it
1690
01:29:42.619 --> 01:29:47.569
comes to celebrities passing, this one hit me really hard. And,
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01:29:47.829 --> 01:29:50.630
and it wasn't until, you know, I, somebody sent me, uh,
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01:29:50.789 --> 01:29:55.569
one of these, uh, tribute videos, um, on YouTube. And
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01:29:55.609 --> 01:29:57.770
I sat, I was sitting in my, in my cave,
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01:29:57.810 --> 01:30:00.970
just watching it and it ends. And I don't even
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01:30:01.010 --> 01:30:02.989
realize that I have tears streaming down my face.
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01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:03.539
Yeah.
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01:30:04.699 --> 01:30:07.899
Uh, and I, you know, obviously it, it's the sadness
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01:30:07.920 --> 01:30:09.399
that we're no longer going to see his work, but
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01:30:09.420 --> 01:30:14.979
it's also the sadness of what the work represented in
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01:30:15.039 --> 01:30:20.899
your life. Right. And for me, I mean, I mean,
1701
01:30:20.930 --> 01:30:24.130
think about it. He was the age I am now.
1702
01:30:25.850 --> 01:30:27.729
when he started on star Trek.
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01:30:28.069 --> 01:30:28.289
Yeah.
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01:30:28.930 --> 01:30:32.649
And so as far back as I can remember, I've
1705
01:30:32.680 --> 01:30:34.520
been having a conversation.
1706
01:30:33.939 --> 01:30:37.500
With that, you know, you know, when you said, um,
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01:30:38.319 --> 01:30:41.680
you're talking about your son and that he just, um,
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01:30:42.039 --> 01:30:43.859
Stuart felt present. Yeah.
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01:30:44.319 --> 01:30:44.659
Always.
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01:30:44.760 --> 01:30:45.590
It's,
it makes sense.
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01:30:45.600 --> 01:30:48.989
I mean, if, if next generation is the eighties and then,
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01:30:49.729 --> 01:30:52.210
you know, through the nineties and then you get X-Men,
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01:30:52.510 --> 01:30:55.510
you know, and the, the odds, and then he's like,
1714
01:30:56.380 --> 01:31:01.340
still playing professor X in the new Marvel films, the MCU,
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01:31:01.640 --> 01:31:05.100
you know, like he's just, he's doing animated films. He's
1716
01:31:05.159 --> 01:31:07.859
part of the Seth MacFarlane universe. I was showing up
1717
01:31:07.930 --> 01:31:11.630
in family guy, like he's touched so many different areas
1718
01:31:11.670 --> 01:31:14.970
of entertainment consistently.
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01:31:14.949 --> 01:31:16.489
And in a way that is beloved.
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01:31:17.149 --> 01:31:17.369
Right.
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01:31:17.569 --> 01:31:20.210
You know, so it makes sense that he's just that
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01:31:20.229 --> 01:31:20.880
word present.
1723
01:31:20.909 --> 01:31:21.220
Yeah.
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01:31:21.229 --> 01:31:22.760
He's always been present for us.
1725
01:31:23.520 --> 01:31:23.760
Yeah.
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01:31:23.779 --> 01:31:28.770
And, and, As I said before, I feel very lucky
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01:31:28.890 --> 01:31:33.569
we got one last visit with Jean-Luc Picard. One that
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01:31:33.609 --> 01:31:40.489
was incredibly satisfying, emotionally satisfying. And it ties a bow
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01:31:40.560 --> 01:31:45.460
around not just that character, but that cast of characters. Also,
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01:31:45.579 --> 01:31:49.680
I mean, we get one more visit with Professor X.
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01:31:51.659 --> 01:31:55.890
Which is incredible. Yep. He is in Avengers Doomsday. He
1732
01:31:55.909 --> 01:31:58.010
was in Avengers. Jim said this will be his ninth
1733
01:31:58.350 --> 01:32:02.909
time playing Professor X over the course of 26 years.
1734
01:32:03.609 --> 01:32:03.920
Wow.
1735
01:32:04.500 --> 01:32:05.359
Incredible.
1736
01:32:05.880 --> 01:32:06.180
Yeah.
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01:32:07.100 --> 01:32:11.840
And like literally, I remember in the mid-90s, Alex Ross,
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01:32:12.000 --> 01:32:15.539
you know, who did Kingdom Come and various other things,
1739
01:32:15.560 --> 01:32:18.359
you know, he did a series called Marvels. And it
1740
01:32:18.380 --> 01:32:20.159
was the first time. It was the first time we
1741
01:32:20.189 --> 01:32:23.720
had like painted Marvel characters and And, you know, he
1742
01:32:23.819 --> 01:32:27.260
used real life people as models. So he painted Patrick
1743
01:32:27.300 --> 01:32:30.100
Stewart as professor X. That was the first time. Oh, really?
1744
01:32:30.579 --> 01:32:33.760
You know, so we're talking like 93 looking it up and,
1745
01:32:33.899 --> 01:32:38.189
and you see it and you're like, Oh yeah. You know?
1746
01:32:38.270 --> 01:32:38.550
Yeah.
1747
01:32:38.609 --> 01:32:38.970
I see it.
1748
01:32:39.010 --> 01:32:39.189
Yeah.
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01:32:39.850 --> 01:32:42.029
And I think from, from that, did you just look
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01:32:42.050 --> 01:32:42.220
it up?
1751
01:32:42.329 --> 01:32:42.510
Yeah.
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01:32:42.529 --> 01:32:42.609
Yeah.
1753
01:32:42.670 --> 01:32:45.029
I just Googled it. Right. Yeah. I think he painted
1754
01:32:45.090 --> 01:32:48.350
Timothy Dalton as Tony Stark and, you know, various other
1755
01:32:48.369 --> 01:32:48.829
people like that.
1756
01:32:49.130 --> 01:32:49.350
Okay.
1757
01:32:49.470 --> 01:32:53.239
He had, um, i think the professor what's his name
1758
01:32:53.279 --> 01:32:56.439
russell johnson as reed richards oh yeah.
1759
01:32:56.439 --> 01:33:00.520
I see dalton yeah see yeah this is cool.
1760
01:33:00.579 --> 01:33:05.060
Yeah you know but from that point you're like well
1761
01:33:05.100 --> 01:33:06.739
geez it's got to be him you know so it
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01:33:06.779 --> 01:33:12.220
was really like a fulfillment of inevitability you know but
1763
01:33:13.779 --> 01:33:19.579
i hope brian that All of the praise for Patrick
1764
01:33:19.619 --> 01:33:23.239
Stewart as Captain Picard might encourage you to, you know,
1765
01:33:23.520 --> 01:33:27.020
slowly dip your toes into the world of Next Generation
1766
01:33:27.079 --> 01:33:30.199
beyond the episode or two that we've watched together.
1767
01:33:30.430 --> 01:33:33.050
I was going to say, yeah, I mean, I've appreciated
1768
01:33:33.529 --> 01:33:36.890
the ones that you've shown me because they've been amazing
1769
01:33:36.970 --> 01:33:39.329
and they've been great standalone episodes.
1770
01:33:39.649 --> 01:33:39.909
Yeah.
1771
01:33:40.149 --> 01:33:43.460
It's been easy to, a good way to ease me in.
1772
01:33:44.340 --> 01:33:46.399
because i don't need to know what had happened before
1773
01:33:46.420 --> 01:33:50.279
or after so i've enjoyed them uh you know i'll
1774
01:33:50.300 --> 01:33:53.140
take some more suggestions and then yeah hopefully maybe i
1775
01:33:53.180 --> 01:33:53.920
can start it.
1776
01:33:53.920 --> 01:33:58.090
Up i i have begun a rewatch of of next
1777
01:33:58.130 --> 01:34:00.510
generation after after his passing i was like it's been
1778
01:34:00.550 --> 01:34:04.470
long enough um and i will say don't don't start
1779
01:34:04.489 --> 01:34:07.670
with the first season necessarily they were still working out
1780
01:34:07.710 --> 01:34:08.130
the kinks.
1781
01:34:08.210 --> 01:34:10.569
Yeah, that tends to happen. I know people say that
1782
01:34:10.590 --> 01:34:12.510
a lot about The Office and Parks and Rec.
1783
01:34:12.829 --> 01:34:16.729
Yeah, exactly. Simpsons, we were just talking about that. The Simpsons, absolutely.
1784
01:34:17.850 --> 01:34:25.069
But just what a presence, what a loss. I'm still
1785
01:34:25.130 --> 01:34:28.590
saddened by it, but also gladdened that we have this
1786
01:34:28.649 --> 01:34:31.829
body of work that we'll be watching and experiencing again
1787
01:34:31.850 --> 01:34:34.720
and again for decades to come. Yeah.
1788
01:34:35.100 --> 01:34:38.260
Yeah, something I hear often that
I really love is,
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01:34:38.579 --> 01:34:39.819
may their memory be a blessing.
1790
01:34:40.520 --> 01:34:44.149
Very true. Yeah. So I think that's a good place
1791
01:34:44.189 --> 01:34:46.270
to leave it for this discussion. What do you think, Brian? Yeah,
1792
01:34:46.609 --> 01:34:54.439
sounds good. A lot of passings to Mark, but I'm
1793
01:34:54.500 --> 01:35:00.079
glad we were able to have kind of an Irish wake. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
1794
01:35:01.260 --> 01:35:03.380
But hey, let us know your thoughts on any of
1795
01:35:03.640 --> 01:35:05.380
the folks that we mentioned or any of the topics
1796
01:35:05.399 --> 01:35:08.590
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1822
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up right now. So check that out. What about you, Brian?
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01:36:21.029 --> 01:36:22.949
You can find episodes I've written of Puppy Dog Pals
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1825
01:36:26.300 --> 01:36:28.539
And with that, on behalf of my partner, Brian Hall,
1826
01:36:28.560 --> 01:36:31.340
my name is Aki Hassan. This has been Movie Film 357.
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01:36:31.340 --> 01:36:32.840
We'll catch you next time. Thanks, everybody.
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01:36:34.779 --> 01:36:38.840
Someone once told me that time was a predator that
1829
01:36:38.960 --> 01:36:42.069
stalked us all our lives. I rather believe that time
1830
01:36:42.130 --> 01:36:44.909
is a companion who goes with us on the journey,
1831
01:36:45.789 --> 01:36:51.449
reminds us to cherish every moment, because it'll never come again.
1832
01:36:51.470 --> 01:36:57.659
What we leave behind... is not as important as how
1833
01:36:57.699 --> 01:37:02.880
we've lived. The potential to make yourself a better man.
1834
01:37:03.779 --> 01:37:05.600
And that is what it is to be human.
1835
01:37:06.619 --> 01:37:08.460
To make yourself more than you are.
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01:37:12.020 --> 01:37:15.520
It's been an honor serving with you all.