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Hello, everyone, Welcome to this beautiful Monday at the light Gate.
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Hi.
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love you guys very much. Thank you for joining our
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network and we hope to do you proud. We have
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a wonderful, lovely guest tonight, and I am very excited
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about this for a couple of reasons that you will
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realize once we get into it. And I'm just going
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to hand over Preston you go.
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Thank you, Dolly, Thank you everyone for joining us on
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I can't believe it, episode number one hundred and two
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on the light Gate. I am Preston Dennett, UFO researcher.
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With me tonight is Dolly Saffron. We're co hosting the Lightgate.
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So thank you so much for joining us. We're having
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so much fun, just absolutely honored that you guys join
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us each and every Monday. I see a lot of
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familiar faces here, familiar names, so let me just say
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a quick hello before we get to our amazing guest,
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Chris Styles. He's a terrific researcher, an author, got some
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really interesting things to say. We've been talking in the
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green room before the show and of course several times
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on the phone. Let me introduce our wonderful guest tonight.
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I'm going to start by popping up the banner and
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reading our guests bio. Super excited. I've been following his
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research for a while. I've said it before, there's not
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a whole lot of researchers that I truly respect and
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kindum on, you know, maybe both hands. Chris Styles is
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definitely one of them. So we're very excited, delighted, honored,
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and enthused to welcome Chris Styles to the light Gate.
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He's a very active UFO research who investigates both classic
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and select current UFO incidents that have occurred in Atlantic Canada.
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He holds to a blended view of the UFO phenomena
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that allows room for both the et extraterrestrial hypothesis and
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a significant psychological component, which I think is best because
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we really do need to consider all aspects of what's
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going on here. He is best known, perhaps for his
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work on the nineteen sixty seven Shag Harbor incident. If
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you don't know about that, I don't know where you've been,
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but you're certainly going to learn about it tonight. And
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I'm sure things that you don't know about it, even
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if you think you do. Chris has Let's see resented
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at several Moufond symposia in both Canada and the US.
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He's served as a paid technical advisor with several Canadian
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UFO feature documentaries. That's cool. I've gotten paid peanuts once. Literally,
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they gave me a bag of peanuts for being on
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a TV show. You could at least pay my mileage
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and they agreed to. But yeah, that kind of made
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me laugh. So that's awesome. Let's see such UFO feature
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documentaries such as Ocean Entertainments, The Shag Harbor Incident, and
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Northern Lights. He has appeared in several US UFO specials,
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such as Canada's Roswell and UFOs Too, Have We Been Visited?
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In twenty nineteen, he appeared in an episode of Ocean
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Mysteries with Sleen and Fabian Cousteau ah Dhi, a Cousto connection.
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He has been on pretty much all the major UFO podcasts,
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including of course, Coast to Coast and Tonight our show,
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Very Excited. Chris is the co author of two UFO
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books on the Shag Harbor incident, the earlier one Dark Object,
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with Don Ledger, and more recently and more comprehensively and
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this is probably the book you want to check out,
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Impact to Contact, published by Arcadia House. He co authored
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that with Graham Sins. But his most recent book, and
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I'm hoping we
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have time to talk about that tonight,
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is titled Sweep Clear five, NATO's UFO encounter, also known
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as the Shelbourne UFO or USL Incident. This is available
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on Amazon. In twenty twenty three, Muffon Canada presented Chris
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get This an honorary membership in recognition of his lifetime
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achievement in ufology. He is, of course, one of the
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organizers at the Shag Harbor UFO conference upcoming this year
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in October, and Elly and I are so delighted and
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excited to be invited as presenters, So we'll be talking
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a little bit about that. Without any further ado, let's
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bring forth our illustrious guests.
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Chris, Welcome to the like you, Hello, Dolly, Hello Preston.
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It's great to be here. I love your format here
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and how you give such time to the guests and
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the participants and that love it. You know, we need
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to see more of that.
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Yeah, we love interacting with chat. They're such lovely people.
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And yeah, we're going to have a Q and A
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session at some point here during the show.
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I hope there's some tough questions because I don't get any,
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you know, I often find it disappointing. I shouldn't, but
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you go to these things, they're usually a love in
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I like top questions. I like the skeptics, you know, I.
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Get some smart ones in here. They ask really.
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Really good questions. All right, Well, you know, at the
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same time, you know, I may have to say I
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don't know, and I don't hesitate to do that. You know,
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not an expert on anything. In fact, in my opinion,
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there aren't any experts in this field. We're all doing
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the best we can. We need to learn to get
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along a little better. A bunch of us, the different
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schools the thought, you know, but there's a place where
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all of us and all of our efforts are needed.
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Yeah, there's always more to learn. That's one thing that's
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especially Yeah, it's like endless, so many rabbit holes, endlessly fascinating.
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Man. My training basically came from making mistakes, but I
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didn't let that slow me down or stop, you know,
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I just tried not to repeat them.
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Way to learn.
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As I warned you before the show, I always like
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to ask guests because whenever I see someone, I can't
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help but picture them as a little kid running around
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now picking flowers and you know, going to the creek
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and getting polliwogs or clicking lightning bugs or what have you.
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How did you get involved in this field? Did you
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believe in UFOs? Have you ever seen one? Basically, what's
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series of events led you to where you are today?
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I know that's a big mouthful.
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But I could answer a number of ways. But you know,
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I'll warned you. First of all, I never really began
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as an investigator until nineteen ninety two. But let's go
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back to childhood, because some pretty significant things happened then.
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As far as I know, I'm not an experiencer or
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anything like that. However, when I was quite young, my
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first real thing that caught my attention, and this's gonna
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sound funny, was I had the Chicken box. And I
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remember being home from school and laying on the chester
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field and seeing watching the old film Unidentified Flying Objects,
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the motion picture well at home, you know, and it
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made a big impression upon me, you know, And even
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as a young boy, I understood the significance at the
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end of the film clips of the you know, great
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cases at Great Fall's mind Tana, you know, and yes, yeah,
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the Nicholas Marianna thing, right, And and you know, I
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had my mother pick up a book at the library
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and I remember, you know, a few years later, reading
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the UFO Experience be Heinek, and I was, you know,
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already taken it pretty saren seriously, I would have to say,
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at that point I was a believer, okay, But eventually,
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you know, there were other phases I
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the way, but it kind of began then. But then again,
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as I was starting to get cynical and learn and
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be a little skeptical, and not because I'd lost faith,
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but skeptical because I wanted the real answers, you know.
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So I wanted to find the kind of material and
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the kind of answers, and it always to me fell
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a little short, even the great work of some of
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the historic characters in the field. But I didn't want
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to be disappointed. I wanted the good stuff. I wanted
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to say is. I wanted it to hold up this
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right and this is what I was seeking, you know.
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But it drove me on. But if I had any doubt,
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they were washed away at the age of twelve, because
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one night, looking open my window with a pair of
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seven power field glasses, I bore from my grandfather's Chester
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doors because I saw strange orange or floating over Halifax Harbor,
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tracing the shoreline between shipping and that, and so I
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grabbed the knocers to get her better view. I was
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supposed to be in the bed in a sleep ten
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thirty at night, and when I looked out, I realized
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this was something really odd, and I darted out the door.
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I knew that was going to bring the wrath of
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the parents, but ran down to the waterfront and actually
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became very close to an orb that had an axis
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of sixty feet floating ten feet silently over the water.
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Upon getting to that position, I realized I looked around.
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I'm all alone on the wrong side of the railroad
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tracks on a big industrial harbor, and suddenly I'm terrified.
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And when this thing starts to approach and come near,
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I was literally frozen with fear, trying to run. But
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you're not. Your feet aren't taking the message, you know,
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Like I was literally standing in the gravel at the
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railroad tracks, and eventually I found the courage to run.
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Inside that twelve year old is not thinking in words.
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fear was kind of like it's like a dog. If
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I run, it'll bite me. I'm going I'm dead. No
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one will know what happened. This is what's going through
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without words. Eventually I ran, and as I ran up
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an alleyway to get out of the scene, I look
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over my shoulder as the ord passes closest to where
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I was without coming up onto the land, I realized
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it paid no attention to me, whatso wherever and continued
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on its leisurely way. But you know, I ran home
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and I got a call that stay at noon. My
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grandfather was on vacation in shag Harper, and he said,
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I want to talk to Chris. He goes, he's not
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going to believe what happened here last night. So there
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you go. That was an early introduction, and suddenly it
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wasn't academic, It wasn't text on a page, right, I
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mean it had intersected with my life and with my grandfather.
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And what young boy can question their grandfather's detail.
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What did he say? What did he have to tell you?
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Well, he told me that something came down from space.
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The Royal Canadian Man of Police officers on the scene
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were telling them, and they were searching for us. They
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knew it wasn't an aircraft, right, I mean, you know,
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I'm in the first few minutes. As I know from
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my research. You know, as they were piecing things together,
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they realize eventually, over time there was no missing early aircraft.
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The Rescuer Coordination Center in Halifax dispatches lifeboat from nearby
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Clark's Harbor, twelve miles away. I mean, these are little
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fishing villages. Do you put this in perspective? It's so
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quiet that when they started up the twin diesel engines
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and the lifelo twelve miles away, they could hear it
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in Shag Harbor and they moved to the thing. One
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of the most interesting things about the cases I was
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discovered is that no one reported a UFO. People who
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called who saw it in the distance
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lights had entered the harbor where they saw a plane
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had gone down. So people are rushing, you know, with
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that kind of impetus and that kind of concern in
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mind they're concerned is for the possibility of survivors. Now
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when they get.
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This isn't the actual Shag Harbor incident that you witnessed,
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is it?
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No, No, this is what my grandfather witnessed. But the
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same night I see a sixty foot org and this
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was covered in the newspaper. Not my own testimony, but
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you know, hundreds of people.
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The first thing you saw was a big orange light.
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Yes, it was just an orange sphere. It was featureless, silent,
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hovering about ten feet off the water. The axis through
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it would be sixty feet. Okay, that's huge, that's huge.
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It glowed a dull orange, just like yeah, an iron
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poker at the fire and at first glows right, And
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you know, many people saw it. It was written up
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in the Chronicle Herald, which was a daily broadsheet of
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the day, you know, for Halifax and for the province. Right,
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But eventually sightings like that, and there were dozens of
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others at night over the province of Nova Scotia. In fact,
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it's become known as the Night of the UFOs. This
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all became eclipsed by Shank Harbor. Because of the case
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of Shang Harbor. You had perhaps seventy witnesses they thought
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as a crash. RCMP made their way to the scene.
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One of the officers had seen it in the air
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and it had an unusual light pattern, you know that
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was not typical a commerce traffic right.
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Yeah, I want to show you something. Well, you can
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see more of the craft in this picture, but it's
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the same light. The light of this craft is sixty
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foot in diameter when he's fully lit. Okay, can you
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see that?
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Oh yes, yeah, I say it. Yeah, yeah. And those
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those are a very typical sighting of orbs you know,
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long history.
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Yeah, when you know when you see them, they're dropping
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orbs to do reconnaissance.
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The white orb that you saw was probably from that craft.
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I reinvestigated years later. In Chegue Harbor three years later.
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That involves like Norad getting involved in kerdels, you know,
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and all kinds of resources. And it wasn't in the
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media in the day. You know, they were able to
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keep lid on this one. And I was lucky enough
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to find like the all, you know, the CEOs of
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the base and everybody, and you know, I can be
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very persuasive, and I managed to get the most down
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and interview, and I have the RCMP report, you know,
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the eight page report on the incident, right, which is
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available in Canada's National Archives now. And you know, it's
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just fascinating reading when you see how to them, this
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was like an everyday occurrence in southwestern Nova, a very
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active area where its faces open to the Gulf of Maine. Okay,
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but in check Hart, you see what happened that night
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is like you had so many witnesses, including three RCMP
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officers that made it to the scene. One of them
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was out on highway patrol. The other two came from
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a nearby detachment office, right and in fact just puts
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it in some perspective. You know, at first, the first
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guy who called in and you'll get to meet him,
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he's still alive and in the area. In fact, he's
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the chairman of the UFO group down there right now,
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Lori Wickeds and when you meet him. He was the
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first one to call the detachment nearby, a parenton passage,
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and when they answered the phone, he told them what
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he'd seen and that something had crashed into the sound.
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He was in the car with three friends, and even
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though he was eighteen and a fisherman in a deckhand
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on boats down there, he had
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Laurie in the mount He said, Laurie, what you been
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drinking tonight? Nothing, he said. He said, yeah, well we'll
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check it out, and he hung up the phone, and
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the other three in the car with and his friends
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were extremely excited, saying, Laurie, the mounting's coming, the horsemen
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making their way here. He said, I don't know. I
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don't think they believe him. Before they drove away. Remember
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there's no cell phones, no street lights. The payphone rang.
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They called them back and they said, you're still there.
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Wickeds were on the way. Six other people called right
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away to report that perhaps a plane was crashing in
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shack Harber. You see. But when the earth seeing p
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arrival on the scene, there's a crowd of about seventy
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people by a fish plant that's by the shore there,
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known as the Moss Plant, and they see the thing.
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It's still on the surface of the water, but now
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it appears as a pale yellow dome of light, not
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a set of Yeah, and it's moving under its power
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toward open sea. According to one of the RCNP officers,
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and in fact, he was sharp enough. These guys are
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well trained, you know, and they write these things up. Ironically,
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there's no UFO report check. You know why because no
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one reported a UFO but it was written up by
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the detachment and you know, Canada's Airdesk gar equivalent of
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what Blue Book would have been at the time, gets involved.
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You know, there's military assets sent down and all kinds
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of things happened. But in that initial thing, there's no
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initial UFO report. They used to have a form for
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it called an HQ four hundred Q five form, whole
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lots of them that have been found. But yeah, because
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of that, So that's mound, he think, But what the
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MOUNDI did? They often do these brilliant things on these cases.
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He watched the thing moving toward open sea and there's
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a known fixed booie that's still there to this day.
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Locals call it the budget booye. When and when the
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Dome of Light passed in front of it, it completely
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eclipsed the booy and the booy stands eight feet out
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of the water. That much of it was above the
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water line.
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Right, that was above the water line that would have been.
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This was written up. Yeah, so you know, you find
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these great things and this this is something in Canada
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I've been able to exploit RCMP reports because unlike you know,
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if someone's in Maine or Tennessee or whatever, a local
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sheriff can decide to ignore something or got no show
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here or go home. These guys can't do that. In Canada.
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They often there were a national police force, a provincial
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police force, and often and in that community in that day,
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they were the local place and they all are trained
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and have to respond to a federal strip standard. They
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can't fill the gas tank, but don't fill an no
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piece of paper and putting it on five. So it's
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a great resource where I've been going into cold cases
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because Shag, however, was slipping into the dust in a history.
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But I called Stanton Friedman, he hadn't heard of it.
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Well, I have a question for you, because it's dog
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in my brain right now. Right on the East coast,
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you know, on the Atlantic side of the United States,
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all the way to the tip of Florida and on
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the Gulf side of Florida, there are multiple, multiple, multiple
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way you're describing incidences and sightings. And I wonder if
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anybody's calculated why craft would come in low and remain
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low and go out of sight that way instead of
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coming up overhead. What would be the point of that?
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Because it is a common occurrence all the way to Florida,
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literally up down the coast of Florida. Steve Steve Career
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has it on in South Carolina as well, and we
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sat down and correlated all this stuff and asked yourselves,
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why is that? Why are they doing it that way there?
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Well, they're not always low. And in fact, the number four,
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the numbery four in Shag Harbor, there was a near
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collision with PanAm Plate one sixty, a cargo flight that
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was coming up that left JFK and was on its
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way to Heathrow in London, and they fly right up
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the middle of Nova Scotia right and when they were crossing.
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This the second book that you sort of plugged as
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the more detailed one there president the last chapter in
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that was something that there's a great piece there that's
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not in the first book. And what happened was they
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saw a set of lights in front of them again,
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these four lights, and they were getting concerned and they
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thought it was something coming toward them to most traffic
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landing lights on and they're they're you know, they're heavy,
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they're still building altitudes. They're at about thirty three thousand
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feet and they're calling, you know, air traffic control would
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have been at Logan right for control and the airspace
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they're in, and they're coming up to what's known as
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the Davies Intersection where they would get handed off to
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Canadian Air traffic Control and monked it and they're asking about,
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you know, is there any traffic in the area. Well,
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they're not painting anything on radar in the craft and
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the jet cruiser, and neither are they on the ground,
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you know, with Logan and he's describing and it's coming
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toward them. They said, the only thing that we're painting
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beside you is something twenty miles behind and lower at
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twenty thousand feet a refueling mission military out of Loring, right,
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So anyway, you know, they're gaining on these lights. And
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what happens is eventually, like it's a cargo flight, they
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another crew was heading back to Heathrow with them. They
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wake them up. So you get six pilots get this
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in the cockpit watching this right, And what happens is
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they turned down all the lights even lower than usual
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for night vision, and the flight engineer gets out of
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his seat and cups because he's the least busy, and
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cups his hands to the windscreen so we can see better.
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And he's starting to get panicky, he says. Kurt, which
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was the main pilot, He goes, this thing's only about
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half a mile ahead of us. You know we're doing
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five hundred nods. If something breaks off, we're just screwed,
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you know what I mean. And you know, he was
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the junior officer, and Kurt tells them I'll get in,
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strap in. We're we're going to come out of autopilot.
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And they're still gaining on this thing. And then just
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as they go to autopilot, this thing puts some distance
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between them and up it goes out of the atmosphere,
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and this is the night before Shay Harbor, and we
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have the reports. In fact, the pilot who's retired lives
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in Florida, came up here a few years ago and
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told his story on the stage. And I've spoken with
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the flight engineer and you know, they've been they've given interviews,
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and they've stood by their story. It certainly did not
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inhibit their career, right, So you look at that activity
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that was going on in sixty seven. You know, at
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the time of the incident, you have not just you know,
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all the local people, but you know, you get RC
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and popsters watching this on the ground. You've got six
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pilots in the cockpit, right, you know, I mean, and
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all this happened, and that whole part of the story
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before I researched it never came out, you know. And
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it's just got such a depth. And every time you
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find that some news source, whether it's lighthouse records, pile
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of testimony, or whatever, this case does not evaporate. Over
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the decades since I first I first started digging into
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it April ninety two, it has only gotten stronger. Like
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nothing is like, oh that's what it is. It's nothing
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I mean, this.
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Has got to be one of the best verified cases
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really in world history.
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Well, it's a compelling argument for UFO reality did this.
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You know, I'll tell you the Lake Fell class. The
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first time I spoke in the US, get this. I
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was in Greensboro, North Carolina. Kevin Randall spoke before me. Kevin,
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who's coming up to our conference when you were going
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to be there this year to talk? I invited him.
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He was up there and at the end a good
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percentage of the crowd booed him, and I was like,
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oh my god, this could be tough. And the reason
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they did that they, I would say, mistakenly interpreted some
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of his comments about Betty Hill and they thought he
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was dissinger and he really wasn't. Okay, that's the reason.
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But you know, I had never spoken to the US,
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and I saw, geez, they're going to be interested in
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this little Canadian story. I hadn't really done television, and
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I was like, wow, tough. Crowd didn't expect that. But
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you know, I used to play in a rock band
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and roll around stage with stratocast. I wasn't worried. I'm like, well,
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we'll see what happens. And they were just transfixed by
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it and my slide show and you know, of course
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how solid it was. Right at the end of the show,
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Vin Randall get this, comes up to me. He was first,
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and fell Class is standing behind him, and Kevin says,
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here's my car. Come up to my room. Here's the
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first chapter in my next book, which it turned out
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I was, which was the Randall Report UFOs in the nineties,
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which was one of the first things to come out
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about Shay Carber. Actually that chapter before I write anything.
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The next guy to come up this fell Class. He
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didn't fall asleep as he did for Kevin. You know,
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he's got the little tape recorder. He come up meeting
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and he asked to have his picture taken with me.
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He said yeah. He said, well I
can retire now
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you Canadian guys have solved everything like this. I said,
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well not quite. No. He says, amazing work. He says,
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I can tell you respect the scientific method, he said,
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and I can see your sources on this. He said,
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this is all legit. And he says, besides, I remember
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the case and something very unusual did happen there. Yes,
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And when he's taken the picture, he leans over the
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mere and he said, I'll probably put something on my
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website about this. Don't let that bother you. You know
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what happened. He didn't put anything.
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Well, well, he is an arch skeptic, so it's amazing
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that he.
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About y'all's reports. Is the fact that the government didn't
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intervene on you and and push it under the table.
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You know, thank you for this, because you're gonna love this.
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I was there, and of course when it was over,
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I'm saying, what percentage of booze am I going to get?
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And you know, it's this thunderous applause and everybody got
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to the feet, and I thought, wow, cool, you know,
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so I asked if anybody had any questions, and there
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was this pause at first, and I thought, oh, I'm
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getting off easy. And suddenly one guy said, yeah, you started,
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go ahead, and he asked me, you know, don't I
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get any pushback in Canada? And like, have I ever
476
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encountered men in black?
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Yeah?
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And I gave a little chuckle and I said, I
479
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don't mean to laugh at your question. It's a great question.
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00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:02.119
But like where I come from in at Land, where
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the government tells you how much you can charge for potatoes.
482
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I said, I think if there were men in black,
483
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I would have met them by now. And I sure
484
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:12.920
hope there isn't. But I said, the best thing I
485
00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:14.599
can relate is I once had a guy in a
486
00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:18.519
cheap brown polyester suit from the Coastguard tried to convince
487
00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:20.920
me that there was no such thing as UFOs, and
488
00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:23.039
I told them to save for the kids, you know.
489
00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:26.160
And I said, one other guy called one time to
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a little route and trying to threaten me. I said,
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I drove two miles to his house in the rain
492
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and knocked and rooming open the door. I said, you
493
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tell the guy that signs your pension, said Jack, I'm
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too dumb to quit, and walked away. So the tone
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was set. And you know, I don't know. I haven't
496
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met them yet, and I think I would have. I mean,
497
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:48.640
you know, I could go along with stories, but it
498
00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:51.279
shouldn't be about me. And are times limited. The cases
499
00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:54.240
are far better, And people say how'd you do this?
500
00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:57.240
Sometimes they go on about you know, what's your training? Academic?
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00:27:57.240 --> 00:27:59.359
Well not, you know, I learned by making mistakes. I
502
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can told you green room. But the thing is, I
503
00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:04.559
think there's a place for all of us. What other
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00:28:04.599 --> 00:28:07.440
field can you get in make a serious effort in
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00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:11.319
b Sherlock Holmes. You know there's a life after high school?
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00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:12.599
Well I think I found that.
507
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:18.319
You know, yeah, well what started you investigating this particular incident.
508
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:22.279
Because you know, I remember my grandfather stories. I remember
509
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:24.200
what I saw that night as a twelve year old,
510
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I was watching Unsolved Mysteries with a girlfriend, former girlfriend
511
00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:30.799
of mine, and when it was over, and she was
512
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an academic right who had a couple of degrees, and
513
00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:36.640
she watched us, and when it was over, this was
514
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the episode that first covered Roswell. This is back in
515
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the early nineties. Would have been a rerun even by them,
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but I hadn't seen that. And when it's all over,
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she says, do you think any of that can be true?
518
00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:48.079
And she says, you know that guy there, he lives
519
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:51.799
in frevertton the next province over. She was from for Everton.
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I said, the san prem and the business. Yeah, and
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she's and I said, I know it's real. And I
522
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told her what little I knew about Shay Harby. Now
523
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00:29:03.319
I don't remember the date or the specifics at right.
524
00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:06.880
And she took the old landline and plunked it down
525
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heavily in my lap and said you should call him.
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I said, yeah, I will, and she said no, you won't.
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00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:15.480
I know you call it that. Yeah, I said, well
528
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I and she called the long distance operator and I
529
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:20.920
was surprised they gave us a number. So she gave
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me the phone and I called the number and I
531
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:29.279
instantly got a human answering service right, and they said, well,
532
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:32.279
if it's an emergency, and she hollered, it's an emergency
533
00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:35.680
like this. She got a contact number, so they gave
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00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:37.720
me a number. I didn't know where I was dialing.
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00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:40.640
I didn't check this is before calling plans and cell
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00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:44.400
phones here, and I called. He was in Austin, Texas,
537
00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:46.599
supposed to go to a Boupon conference.
538
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:47.359
Wow.
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00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:50.359
And he took twenty to thirty minutes out of that
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day to talk to me. And I had, you know,
541
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:55.039
real dates, right, and told him the story and he
542
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:58.319
hadn't heard of it. And then he said when he
543
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:00.640
was done, I remember the first and he said to me,
544
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:02.519
he said, well, Chris, you sounds sort of guy that
545
00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:05.880
might pursue this. Well, I said, I don't know. I said,
546
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:08.000
I got a friend that's trying to encourage me. I said,
547
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:10.599
it's better in collecting stamps. I think I've always had
548
00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:13.759
interest in the phenomena. And he said, you'll have an
549
00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:16.359
easier time in it than I did. And I said,
550
00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:22.440
why is that? He said, fisherman, don't move. What great
551
00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:25.279
practical advice. And he gave me a bunch of things
552
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:27.319
like that, and the next thing you know, I was
553
00:30:27.319 --> 00:30:30.240
out of the blocks. He passed my name on to
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00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.440
the Fund for UFO Research. Less than a year later,
555
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:35.880
I had a twenty six hundred dollar US grant. Spent
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two weeks in automore going to the pay per trail
557
00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:41.039
and found stuff. When I sent it to him, you know,
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00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:44.440
it said quite clearly what the US, what the Canadian
559
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:47.559
government thought about this at the day. I mean, I
560
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:50.599
just I should have sent you this document, if anything.
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00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:53.519
But this is where it really led up, because when
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00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:56.799
this stuff came and I had the cover letters with it,
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it was a member that went through the Department of Defense,
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and you know everybody he signed it, you know, the
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Defense Minister of the day, in the colonel, the head
566
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of the air desk. And in the third paragraph of
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this it's a little synopsis bringing them up to speed
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on Shag Harbor. It says the Rescue Coordination Center in
569
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Halifax has conducted a preliminary investigation and has determined that
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this event was not caused by any aircraft flare float
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and in fact is no known object. We believe it
572
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is a UFOK you know, from the government, and you know,
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and it just went on from there, and you know,
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I went up and I was very surprised. So I
575
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:40.960
flew to Ottawa and asked track down what was the
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00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:42.920
head of the air desk at the time, and went
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and sat with him, and you know, we did a
578
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:49.599
three hour face to face interview. And you know, I
579
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:52.960
had a brief career in market research and one of
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00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:56.279
my specialties was getting major clients to sit down with
581
00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:59.200
us for big companies here and give us their input
582
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:02.480
for phones or something. So I kind of had that
583
00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:04.680
and I think that played into it, you know. And
584
00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:06.920
I was able to get the interviews because I know
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00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:09.799
other people like Antonio, you of eight, even as the
586
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:12.720
journalists and others came up trying to interview this guy
587
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:15.240
when they were in Canada at Toronto or something, right,
588
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:18.119
and nobody had ever got them to sit down. But
589
00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:22.359
I seem they always said yes to me. Well, yeah, so,
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00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:25.359
and that was when it all started to open up
591
00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:30.160
and it just kind of exploded, like shag Harvard was, well,
592
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:33.440
there was a lot of work, but you know there
593
00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:38.920
was These documents were actually all unrestricted. Nobody'd ever pursued them.
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--> 00:32:43.319
Is the government still open about it now to this day.
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00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:48.160
The short answers no. And the reason is is that
596
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:51.599
as a result of this case. One year later, as
597
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:57.480
a result of this case, get this UFO responsibilities investigations
598
00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:00.799
were removed from the military in Canada and given the
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00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:05.400
National Research Council for what was being serious scientific study.
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00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:08.839
That sort of did happen for twenty years, but as
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00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:14.079
people retired, they were not replaced by serious researchers, and
602
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:17.599
eventually it just became a filing system like Bluebook was,
603
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:21.559
and by nineteen ninety nine they officially declared they were
604
00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:26.039
out of the business. Now, currently, cases that have military
605
00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:29.839
or I shouldn't say military about security implications or that
606
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:34.039
appear to be real are dealt with by military intelligence
607
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:38.559
here right, literally a group and it would be rare
608
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:41.640
they would handle them. They have to be serious. You know,
609
00:33:41.720 --> 00:33:45.039
our special forces here is known as JTF to Joint
610
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:50.400
Task force too. But there's actually a JTFX and you know,
611
00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:53.400
people used to deny to me that existed. To get this,
612
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:56.799
you're going to love this, I went online to Wikipedia
613
00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:00.799
and I started looking up, you know, of arms and
614
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:04.640
this sort of thing. I looked at our Governor General's
615
00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:08.559
official website because she has to, okay, coats of arms,
616
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:11.280
and there was a document okay, the coat of arms
617
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:16.239
for the JTFX group. So you know, if you, if
618
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:18.239
you think about it, you can usually find a way
619
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:20.639
around these things that tried to stay in the shadows.
620
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:23.760
You know. Yeah, pretty cool, you know.
621
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:27.559
So the Shike Harbor is an incredibly complicated and extensive
622
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.280
incident that went for a couple of days, right, So
623
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:33.559
could you get work down sort of of the whole
624
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:36.599
incident because it begins there's some people here who have
625
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:37.599
never even heard of this.
626
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:41.400
Sure, it begins in October the fourth, nineteen sixty seven President.
627
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:44.079
Right now. What happens is people see a set of
628
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:47.559
flashing lights of the sky. It's a clear night, right,
629
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:52.599
you could see six magnitude stars with open oculars, right,
630
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:55.119
perfect view. When something you don't get offt and no,
631
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:57.320
because if you do, it's usually the fault, and of
632
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:00.639
course it was October and they're flashing it usual pattern
633
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:03.679
like one, two, three, four, and they'd all flashed together right,
634
00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:07.039
not sow commercial traffic does. These things were seen to
635
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:10.280
fly first in an easterly direction and come in off
636
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:13.440
the Gulf of me. They hover over the water of
637
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:16.840
Shay Harbor for about five minutes and the craft is
638
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:20.000
seen to tilt to a forty five degree angle, descends
639
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:24.000
rapidly to the water surface where it strikes. Now, all
640
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:27.719
those seven witnesses, they lost sight of it temporarily behind
641
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:31.960
the tree line right. However, since then I found somebody
642
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:35.000
that saw the moment of impact. The lightkeeper's wife was
643
00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:38.880
up knitting on bond Partagh Island that sits in Shag Harbor,
644
00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:41.719
and she saw the moment of impact, and of course
645
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:44.800
she was one of the reporting witnesses. Woke up her husband,
646
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:47.320
who was supposed to be awake but was catching a nap,
647
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:50.639
and she was holding down the fort so to speak, right,
648
00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:53.519
and she saw the thing coming toward her. And we
649
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:56.199
only got this testimony a few years ago. You know,
650
00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:58.760
once I found who the wife was, I had interviewed
651
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:01.159
the lightkeeper before and asked him and he said he
652
00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:04.000
saw nothing, and that was true. And asked him about
653
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:06.639
his wife and he said she saw nothing, but he
654
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:08.599
didn't tell me that at the time he had a
655
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:12.599
former wife. So we went back tracked her down and
656
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:14.880
when I sat her down for an interview, and this was,
657
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:18.719
like I say, not many years ago, it was really something.
658
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:22.079
And she tells her story and she was at a
659
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:25.000
position on the island where the thing's coming right toward her,
660
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:28.159
but you know, hits the water. I don't know, maybe
661
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:32.639
a you know, let's say a kilometer away, but perfect
662
00:36:32.719 -->
00:36:35.719
viewing conditions. But here's the rock. Here's the good stuff
663
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:38.960
is that when it hits she's not just seeing lights,
664
00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:42.320
but as it slips it through the water, this sort
665
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:46.280
of trans medium effect. As the water wells up over it, right,
666
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:49.679
it reflects that light back upon it and she can
667
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:53.840
see it's a classic silvery disk well, you know, entering
668
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:56.320
the water. She had a perfect view. And she woke
669
00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:59.000
her husband up and he told her she was crazy
670
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:02.039
at first, and then the bones ringing because everyone was
671
00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:07.039
reporting r CC calls for him. Pust guardage dispatched, you know,
672
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:10.760
two days later, the Navy's there with divers and chips.
673
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:13.039
You know, I have a question. I got a couple
674
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:13.599
of questions.
675
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:16.960
Hopefully I got an answer. All right. The water there,
676
00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:21.480
it's it's shallow in the sound where it first struck
677
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:24.719
it would be like, oh, you're gonna want it and feed.
678
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:28.440
It would be like thirty forty feet quite shallow there,
679
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:30.880
but it was moving toward open sea and deeper. Okay.
680
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:35.079
What kind of life is in the water there? What
681
00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:36.639
kind of fishing life is there? What do you all
682
00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:37.320
fish for off?
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00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:38.639
Lobster?
684
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:40.039
Lobster?
685
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:42.599
Lobster is the big thing, but I mean there's ground
686
00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:46.400
fish theres and they rake things like Irish moss was
687
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:49.000
a big thing, not so much now now it's rock weed.
688
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:54.039
Irish moss was used to like thicken ice cream and stuff.
689
00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:56.119
You know, there was and there was a plant there
690
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:59.719
that used to process it, right, Okay, but lobster is
691
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:02.360
the big business there, right. Yeah.
692
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:06.079
Is there anything about seg Harbor that is it would
693
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:10.039
possibly draw the attention of ETS technological clear?
694
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:15.360
Yeah. It is positioned between two US bases that are
695
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:16.719
on in Nova Scotia.
696
00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:22.519
Okay, were any of them nuclear at the time and
697
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:25.159
other which did they have nuclear on either one of them?
698
00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:29.519
Well, one of them was illegally storing nuclear weapons there
699
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:34.000
there you go, illegally that was the Shelburne Base. Well,
700
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:37.079
I say illegally because there was a treaty at the
701
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:39.239
time and they weren't supposed to be doing that, right,
702
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:42.920
that would change. Uh. The two bases by the way
703
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:46.760
that they were between. One was called Canadian Forces Station
704
00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:50.920
Barrington and back or quite a multiple and what that was.
705
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:54.880
That was a nora and radar facility. Yeah, the man
706
00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:58.159
base and that one was that. And you know everybody's
707
00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:01.119
heard of the Due Line up north, but there's also
708
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:04.000
a Mid Canada line and below that there's the Pine
709
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:08.719
Tree Line, and the Barrington base was that end of
710
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:13.000
the Pine Tree Line where it enters the Atlantic right now.
711
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:16.639
The other base, of course, is Canada's most secret base
712
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:21.239
back then, which is the Shelburne Base, Canadian Forests Station
713
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:25.000
shelburn And what that was, which we explain and know
714
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:28.400
even in Dark Object, is it was the coordination center
715
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:33.920
for submarine detection for Soviet subs in the Atlantic and
716
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:37.199
the Pacific. There were sixty four associas stations around the
717
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:43.360
continent and they were all hardwired into Shelburn Okay, so
718
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:46.719
it was pretty important, and it operated under a cover story.
719
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:51.559
It first became operational in nineteen fifty five the Eraine
720
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:57.639
was born, but in sixty two it came under an
721
00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:00.800
arrangement similar to Nora D where it was shared one year.
722
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:03.800
It would have a Canadian commander. But back in the
723
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:07.840
day of the Showburn incident, it was US personnel only, right,
724
00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:13.719
and that base was like I say, you know, it
725
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:16.360
was a listening post, right, and it was the coordination
726
00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:18.079
center for all listening posts.
727
00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:21.039
Are you privy to whether those bases locked down during
728
00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:22.119
this incident.
729
00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:29.480
Well, yes they were. The radar base claimed no detections.
730
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:32.119
And I even looked at things like the annual Strokers
731
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:36.039
report in Outawa, like believe me, when I started having
732
00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:38.360
that early success, and for a guy like me coming
733
00:40:38.360 -->
00:40:43.840
in out of nowhere, I mean I was obsessed to
734
00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:46.679
the nineties. I was a lot of work. You know,
735
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:48.639
if there was somebody I could sit down in a
736
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:50.800
chair to an interview and bend the iron and get
737
00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:53.800
you know, I did if there was a record somewhere,
738
00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:56.159
whether it was an Oudawa. I mean I even got
739
00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:58.360
the Canadian government to set up a meet with me
740
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:04.679
and the KGB. Well yes, because they're archivists, right, remember
741
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:08.360
back at that time things were falling apart there, right,
742
00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:11.159
And I'll tell you it usually gets a gigga when
743
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:14.079
I showed the document, the letter and the arrangement, you know,
744
00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:17.440
because I'll tell you why, because you know, usually with
745
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:20.119
the answer you know under the Access Act and that
746
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:24.519
you have now you know you have thirty days to answer.
747
00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:29.800
It's very similar to your freedom of information in the US. However,
748
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:32.519
most of the things I do end up being outside
749
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:34.400
the Act because I usually end up with a call
750
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:37.960
saying we cannot respond to you under the Act, however,
751
00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:40.639
you know, and then then we start to play a
752
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:44.960
negotiation game, right, And I have letters that document this,
753
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:48.320
I show slides. I say it's the world's worst slide show.
754
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:50.000
In one sense. I don't have a lot of pretty
755
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:53.199
I got a few pretty UFO pictures, not many. Most
756
00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:55.239
of them are pieces of paper. But when you read
757
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:57.599
or I show the line, it usually gets an U
758
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:00.800
and ah out of the audience. Right, But anyway, Yeah,
759
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:03.119
I asked the Department of Foreign Affairs to set up
760
00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:06.440
I wanted to make a KGB contact right before it
761
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:11.039
became the FSB there, right, And it took them fifty
762
00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:14.119
weeks to answer, but they came back. You know, you
763
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:17.400
could meet missus Ladmill of Sullivano, but here's her contact
764
00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:19.920
or whatever. You know, we warn you that this is
765
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:22.679
sensitive and whatever, you know, but they did it. They
766
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:26.519
came across, right. I think that's the difference is, you know,
767
00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:31.280
I just until somebody stops me and says, no, I'll
768
00:42:31.320
--> 00:42:32.679
just ask, I'll just proceed.
769
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:35.840
You should actually, did the military out there make any
770
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.280
mention of the incidents? In other words, did they make
771
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:41.079
a formal declaration of what went on from their end
772
00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:41.760
of it at all?
773
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:46.639
In all this back in the sixties about Shag Harven, Well,
774
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:49.599
eventually like it. You know, what happens is Canadian navy
775
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:53.320
divers are sent. There are seven of them. I interviewed them,
776
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:57.920
I found them, you know, and oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
777
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:04.159
that's amazing, and more people believe me. I was busy.
778
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:09.039
Seriously anyway, these guys, you know when it's well documented
779
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:12.360
in the books, right you know, but yeah, I mean
780
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:14.719
what happened in the end is the search was terminated
781
00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:18.440
and they claim new results. Right now, in my slideshow,
782
00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:21.159
I have all the military telexes that went between the
783
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:25.000
bases telex was the primary form of communication then before
784
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:28.480
the Internet, right, kind of an early precursor. I have
785
00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:31.840
all the orders and the communications between the bases on
786
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:34.760
the case, right, and you know, there are a few
787
00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:37.239
things in there. Perhaps the most telling one is when
788
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:40.440
they decide to you know, actually send the navy down,
789
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:43.920
you know, and have seven divers from the Fleet Diving
790
00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:47.920
Unit show up. Is there's a one that goes from
791
00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:53.320
the air desk to Shellburn and to you know, Maritime
792
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:57.599
Command in Halifax to order an underwater search asap. And
793
00:43:57.639 --> 00:43:59.840
what's cool? You know what often tells that when you
794
00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:02.639
look at these, if you don't understand the military jargon
795
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:05.079
at least as good as I do, it doesn't mean
796
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:06.840
a lot to you. But you know what tells you
797
00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:10.000
most is the margin where they wrote in. And I
798
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:12.920
always remind people, no, I didn't write them in. These
799
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:16.400
came on microfilm, and here's the COVERWK. You can.
800
00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:20.840
Some guy at a desk trying to log this stuff
801
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:23.719
in and they write notes about it as they're logging,
802
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:25.519
so they don't forget to put it in with the log.
803
00:44:26.320 -->
00:44:28.480
When I picked the order, op and on the top
804
00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:32.159
in giant letters, it's got UFO underlines three times and
805
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:35.880
exclamation mark. And then when I got to the hotel,
806
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.599
the guy who wrote that, I could actually recognize the
807
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:41.440
print with squadron leader William Vain And that's the man
808
00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:44.199
I sat down for three hours, who was one of
809
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:46.800
the two majors running the air desk.
810
00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:51.880
Right, and yes to everybody, Well, what did the divers see?
811
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:53.960
I'm curious did they actually see anything?
812
00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:56.800
Well, in shag Harbor, they saw nothing because you know,
813
00:44:57.039 --> 00:44:59.320
unusual because when they got there it was all over.
814
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:02.519
Think about it. It happened this thing had moved toward
815
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:07.800
open sea. Right, That's extremely different what happened in Shelburne,
816
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:12.079
where you know, it's it's the it's wow. Two cases
817
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:16.119
that are totally dissimilar. And for a long time, people
818
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:18.880
when I first leaked the story about Shelburne and was
819
00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:20.639
trying to make sense of it, and it took me
820
00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:22.920
twenty nine years to come up with the evidence and
821
00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:26.239
get it straight, you know, and I really thought it
822
00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:30.639
was never going to happen. And you know, shag Harbor
823
00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:33.440
I used to say, was that I was described as
824
00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:36.199
the gift that keeps on giving, and by that I
825
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:39.360
didn't mean monetarily there's been a little of little of
826
00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:43.440
that however. However, yeah, they gave me a little more
827
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:47.960
Peanuts death, but it's still pretty meager. I love your
828
00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:52.239
Peanuts story. But anyway, Yeah, I would describe Shag Harber
829
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:54.360
as the gift that keeps on giving because you know,
830
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:56.760
every time you found evidence, the case got stronger. It
831
00:45:56.800 --> 00:46:02.079
was another element. It was interesting, became more real, greater proof. Shelburn.
832
00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:06.119
Shelburn was the fly in the ointment. Shelburn drove me
833
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:08.599
crazy because every time he thought, well we got it,
834
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:11.280
we're getting something, it would not make sense, it would
835
00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:15.559
not fit right. People would cancel the interview, people would
836
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:19.360
slam doors at me, people would threaten me. You know,
837
00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:22.360
it was a man. He says, we cannot talk about that, right.
838
00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:26.840
And yet you know, one diver told me in the beginning,
839
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:29.199
they go, yeah, well, Shank Harvey, we knew it was over,
840
00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:30.920
we get there, but we had to look. There might
841
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:33.199
have been debrised, there might have been impact, you know.
842
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:35.960
But he said, you know, well, Shelburn, don't you. And
843
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:40.320
I was like, well, Shrek Harve's at Shelburne County. No, no, no, no.
844
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:43.840
Long before that, and of course I hadn't and when
845
00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:46.840
they he first told me the story, it sounded crazy.
846
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:48.440
He said, well, yeah, there was two of them sitting
847
00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:50.280
at the bottom of Jesus. He said, there was no doubt.
848
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:52.400
I said, well, how do you know there's no doubt?
849
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:56.000
I said, how do you know it wasn't something that right? Oh, Jesus,
850
00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:58.880
He said, there was live aliens in the water, and
851
00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:01.119
he started naming guys who were there, and some of
852
00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:04.639
them were guys that my father dive with in the navy,
853
00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:08.920
and that you know, I'm like, okay, but it would
854
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:12.360
take twenty nine years, and you know, when people get
855
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:15.559
the book. In the book, some people had complained that
856
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:17.320
the book's a bit of a tase in the sense
857
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:19.039
that the first half of the book is all the
858
00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:21.599
things I did that didn't work, but it has to
859
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:23.960
be there to tell the story. And then I make
860
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:26.559
the breakthrough and it all starts to come together, right.
861
00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:30.760
But that only happened in like right at the very
862
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:33.599
end of twenty twenty two. So I dashed off that
863
00:47:33.639 --> 00:47:35.679
book real quick. I mean, after twenty nine years of
864
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:38.960
looking and coming up dry, when it finally you find
865
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:42.280
the key that made it all fit together, it's like, ah, eureka,
866
00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:44.039
you know, was this.
867
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:47.480
A crash in Chamberg and there were aliens in the water.
868
00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:52.800
Actually what happened, like the cover of the book suggests, right,
869
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:58.159
this was a NATO mission. There was eighteen vessels, ten US,
870
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:04.079
eight Canadians and a large Canadian diving platform. And they
871
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:07.440
were down there on a mind sweeping
training mission in
872
00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:12.320
Shopper Harbor right nowhere near the town like the Harbor's Way,
873
00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:14.719
and set there almost like a river. You're about ten
874
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:18.440
miles out from the town right of it, and out
875
00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:23.280
there they had set up an eight mile dog leg
876
00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:27.679
course and what happened is they swept the course. There
877
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:30.599
was a bunch of dummy mines there and these the
878
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:34.079
two large ships, the large Canadian ship, and this mission
879
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:36.800
was under Canadian command because it was in our waters.
880
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:39.519
There was only a twelve mile limit in but that's
881
00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:42.400
the reason. And it was my father ship. This is
882
00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:44.840
one of the biggest shots when I finally found the
883
00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:47.039
correct date, because I could never find the date of
884
00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:49.960
the mission. My father was on the mission. I had
885
00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:53.480
no idea. He took me to the grade. He was
886
00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:57.440
a medic on HMCS Cape Scott. It was a large
887
00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:00.400
five hundred foot vessel. It was a floating commands that
888
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:04.000
we had Fernado missions, Yeah, and he was on that.
889
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:09.360
And the large US ship was USS Or Orleans Parish, right,
890
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:12.559
And the mission once they swept this thing was to
891
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:16.280
send these two large ships to the course and see
892
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:18.800
how many you know, if all the dummy mines are
893
00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:20.239
gone or they set a few off.
894
00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:20.679
Right.
895
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:24.119
What happened was when they were ready to do that,
896
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:27.159
as the divers told me, about an hour into the mission,
897
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:29.679
it all goes sideways. They know there's something od going
898
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:32.400
on down there. They send divers down and they find
899
00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:35.760
two US outs sitting on the bottom, one damaged, and
900
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:42.559
there's live aliens in the water. And yeah, they have
901
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:46.800
trouble convincing the surface what they're seeing. I mean, they
902
00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:49.480
don't even have the words for it. This is nineteen sixty.
903
00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:51.320
Eisenhower's still president.
904
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:54.400
Yeah, you have evidence of a rescue. They have one
905
00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:54.719
go down.
906
00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:58.199
I have the ship's logged down from the Cape Sguard.
907
00:49:58.719 --> 00:49:59.239
That's cool.
908
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:01.840
Yeah, or we've been behind if they can help it,
909
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:03.239
and they will go down for stuff.
910
00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:05.760
So yeah, and you know what, all the things they
911
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:08.280
told me, all the stories that drove beyond and I
912
00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:11.440
was the last guy alive that heard anyone these men
913
00:50:11.480 --> 00:50:15.639
tell the story as they were passing away, but none
914
00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:17.960
of them. They were terrified that they would. You know,
915
00:50:18.159 --> 00:50:20.599
I don't think they actually knew the date, but one
916
00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:22.880
of them had said to me it was before the
917
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:25.760
Cube and missile crisis. Yeah, so I thought it's long
918
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:28.800
before shake Earberg. But people tried to join it to
919
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:30.960
shag Herber and make it the end of that story.
920
00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:34.840
They thought, oh, big Davy operation whatever, Shake ever, didn't
921
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:37.840
need anything. But people every you know, and I would
922
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:46.480
argue with fellow researchers, co authors, particularly TV directors, you know,
923
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:51.239
editors you know, and say, no, no, I don't believe that. Well, Chris,
924
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:53.360
can you say it wasn't. No, I can't say it
925
00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:56.679
wasn't because I don't know what the date was. I'm searching. Eventually,
926
00:50:56.679 --> 00:51:00.119
I went through every record of every log book in
927
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:04.960
the Canadian Navy. I worked backwards from shag Harber. Trouble was,
928
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:07.880
I stopped most of them around sixty one, and it
929
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:11.119
turned out it happened on October the twelfth, nineteen sixty.
930
00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:14.800
Well, they would have had the American ships would have
931
00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:18.519
had the ability to film. Did you guys, have the ability,
932
00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:20.480
your ships have the ability to film underwater.
933
00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:24.039
We filmed it, okay, okay, so I'll give you a
934
00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:26.719
real compressed thing of what happened of the real, you know,
935
00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:29.760
the climax of this thing. So they do that, and
936
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:31.480
they're calling to the surface, and these guys are like,
937
00:51:31.480 --> 00:51:33.519
what the hell are these guys talking about? You know,
938
00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:37.800
But once they convinced them this was legit, they yanked
939
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:40.440
them out of the water pretty quickly over lifeboats because
940
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:42.440
they brought up a bit of debris with them just
941
00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:45.400
to grab his proof. And one of these guys had
942
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:48.119
a special camera with them
and everything, and because they
943
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:51.079
were supposed to make this little training thing for the video,
944
00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:55.400
he filmed it. He got the film. But when they
945
00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:58.440
get to the surface, when the divers first told me
946
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:01.159
the story, which by the way, was on Good Friday,
947
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:06.039
nineteen ninety four, okay, and it took me twenty nine
948
00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:08.800
years to make the breakthrough the way they had always
949
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:11.599
described it was, Oh Jesus, Chris, all hell broke blues.
950
00:52:11.679 --> 00:52:15.519
We got up the captain of our vessel and they
951
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:20.079
go he declares like emergency action stations. Alarms are going off,
952
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:22.679
and all the ships men are all giving firearms like
953
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:25.239
we're going to be boarded and all this, and I'm like,
954
00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:27.960
I'm trying to picture this and this is nothing like
955
00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:28.639
shake Herber.
956
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:32.039
We'll see, okay. Second question, how did the Americans react
957
00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:33.440
to it? Because they were in the water with you.
958
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:34.840
What were they doing?
959
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:38.239
Well, they weren't down at the moment that compact is
960
00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:46.480
made to go down. I'll get to that. Said, this
961
00:52:46.519 --> 00:52:48.599
should only take a couple of minutes. I'm just going
962
00:52:48.679 --> 00:52:52.400
to capsulate the real hell breaks loose. Well, when I
963
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:56.480
finally made the breakthrough, and I won't even bother, I'll
964
00:52:56.480 --> 00:52:58.519
tell the story maybe later of what led to it.
965
00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:04.000
It was an accident, serendipitous thing. Anyway, when I finally
966
00:53:04.039 --> 00:53:07.400
find out where to get the answer and find what ship.
967
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:10.440
First of all, there's the shock, my god, it's Dad's boat.
968
00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:13.960
That's when he served on it, you know. And one
969
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.119
of the reasons that involved them in anything they would
970
00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:17.760
have brought up is it was the only ship that
971
00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:20.440
had an eat bid hospital on it. It's part of
972
00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:24.480
the NATO command center, and you know, a large decompression
973
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:26.960
chamber and all this the only ship that was equipped
974
00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:32.239
with that. Then well, anyway, here's the thing. When I
975
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:35.199
find the ship's log. I'm looking for this, and I
976
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:37.760
know from reading decklogs, even when they go to war
977
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:40.679
with someone or we had nineteen
men die, there's nothing
978
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:44.000
drier to read than a deck log. So I know
979
00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:46.639
right now they're not going to say they've seen aliens
980
00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:49.840
or whatever. But how do they handle this? Right? So
981
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:54.400
I'm the gun member telling them. You remember I told
982
00:53:54.440 --> 00:53:56.199
you they lined the ships up, they were about to
983
00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:59.760
pass all through the you know, the eight league course
984
00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:02.559
that they mind swept right, and I vote an over
985
00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:05.880
into it. Their words all hell broke loose, you know, alarms,
986
00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:09.199
blah blah blah, like I just described. So I got
987
00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:13.000
the ship's log and i'm and it's got first interest, swept,
988
00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:15.360
swept channel, you know, did this, did that, And it's
989
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:18.119
got all these foolish military jargon orders. I went for
990
00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:20.840
you with that. I know what they all mean. Nowadays.
991
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:24.360
I've done so much of this, but sometimes I think
992
00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:28.039
I was in the Navy, but I wasn't never served anyway,
993
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:32.000
I go an Averen and there's nothing. I go a
994
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:36.000
little further. I get about ninety minutes in. Remember when
995
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:39.000
they're telling me the story, it's already thirty three years old.
996
00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:45.000
It's now sixty two years later. So I'm like, an aron,
997
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:47.559
I'm getting I'm starting to lose faith. I get ninety
998
00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:51.000
minutes in and I see them lower lifeboats and yank
999
00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:53.880
everything out of the water. And it doesn't just say
1000
00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:57.800
emergency action sations. I saw something they didn't mention, and
1001
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:00.280
they probably didn't know because that would have happened by
1002
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:05.360
the brass in the in the bridge, right, something supposedly
1003
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:08.679
has never happened in history. If you look up on Wikipedia,
1004
00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:11.760
if you look under the death cone system, they declare
1005
00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:12.639
death cone one.
1006
00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:15.559
What what? Wow?
1007
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:21.440
And I saw this. I read it about ten times.
1008
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:25.400
I'm like, no, no, no, no, I'm like, and you know,
1009
00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:28.000
the first thing I'm doing is making sure they used
1010
00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:31.840
the correct burbage and everything, because it should. They assumed
1011
00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:35.639
right and reverted, you know, like I know all the
1012
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:38.199
naval rules. And I looked at this in a special
1013
00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:40.159
stamp put in at the bottom of that page, and
1014
00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:43.480
the captain had to sign it, you know, Commander Angus
1015
00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:47.639
ranking right, and you know permission came from Maritime Command,
1016
00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:51.719
you know, Rear admiral. You know, it was all there,
1017
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:55.880
and I kept looking at it. Death gone one. Well,
1018
00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:59.320
that's never happened. That's what we've been told, not even
1019
00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:00.760
by command. Are in the field.
1020
00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:07.480
Most one to five is the least. You're just starting.
1021
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:09.280
And when they get all the way to one, that's
1022
00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:10.119
the worst thing that can.
1023
00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:12.920
That's right, that's you're good to go. You don't have
1024
00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:14.960
to check the higher authority.
1025
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:18.679
At least in nineteen the Americans would have been notified
1026
00:56:18.760 --> 00:56:20.519
everybody in that line of ships.
1027
00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:23.239
Were oh yeah, everybody was one.
1028
00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:25.320
It would have become a national incident.
1029
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:29.760
On site, you know, you see where they're at all
1030
00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:32.159
under the water. The public never seen it, so they
1031
00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:35.079
were able to keep it locked down right right. Well,
1032
00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:37.119
the next thing, you know, they just said over these
1033
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:41.360
things for days they draw a bank or the missionary stops. Right,
1034
00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:45.039
the Americans come aboard the Canadian ship for what they
1035
00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:48.280
call the brackets. A hot quote marks a hot wash
1036
00:56:48.400 --> 00:56:51.079
up meeting, right, you know, to sit down and discuss
1037
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:55.840
this sacred right. And but I mean, when I seen
1038
00:56:55.880 --> 00:56:58.039
this depcon one, I saw no way, and I checked
1039
00:56:58.039 --> 00:56:59.719
with people, and they go, no, we've never been to
1040
00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:03.800
death gone one. And I there's probably more now since
1041
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:06.320
I've done this in the books. But at the time.
1042
00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:09.639
I did some real research on the online and I
1043
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:14.000
only found one rumor of somebody going to Defcon one,
1044
00:57:14.199 --> 00:57:18.440
and it was in Germany, you know, during in again
1045
00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:23.400
nineteen sixty. Strangely though, between East and West, they radar
1046
00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:28.280
stations had picked up Russian bombers approaching the West's Germany.
1047
00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:33.360
Yeah yeah, and you know they supposedly
went to defcont one.
1048
00:57:33.639 --> 00:57:36.320
But it turned out the story was only a father
1049
00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:39.000
relating it to his son, and no one had ever
1050
00:57:39.039 --> 00:57:45.679
found a record. Wow, the ship's log book in my hand.
1051
00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:48.039
What exactly does it mean? I mean, what what would
1052
00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:51.119
be of such urgency to go to deaf Con one?
1053
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:53.000
Well, that's right. Well I'll put it this way. The
1054
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:55.199
Cuban missile prices only went to two.
1055
00:57:55.639 --> 00:57:58.679
Yeah, that's right. Deaf Con one means imminent threat.
1056
00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:02.079
Right now, they're good to go hot like they could
1057
00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:06.679
love any weapon they want, right the button they're watching.
1058
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:11.960
The most stressful moment there is when nine to eleven happened.
1059
00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:16.239
The entire country went to deaf Con one. Everybody in America.
1060
00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:20.159
I don't know, the military I know went to two
1061
00:58:20.559 --> 00:58:23.920
and and the Air Force went to three for over
1062
00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:27.760
a month after that. It's all there. You look up
1063
00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:29.840
just a Wikipedia ven.
1064
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:31.679
It doesn't tell.
1065
00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:34.760
And I've gone to other sources.
1066
00:58:35.800 --> 00:58:37.679
I was in the military in the US. We went
1067
00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:39.519
to straight the deaf gun one. There were no flights
1068
00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:42.960
in the skies in this country for eleven months. Down.
1069
00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:44.679
Everybody was down. Everybody was.
1070
00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:49.159
Wow.
1071
00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:52.280
Yeah, as anybody who was in the military. Then they
1072
00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:53.440
will tell you point blank.
1073
00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:57.880
Well, you know what, I can't say, you're wrong, But
1074
00:58:58.079 --> 00:59:02.280
I know one thing is that's what they claim, Dolly.
1075
00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:03.960
They tell you the truth about anything.
1076
00:59:04.039 --> 00:59:06.079
But they can't say that anymore because I have the
1077
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:10.559
record of doing it at least once. Now, don't if
1078
00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:13.320
I do. Yeah, it's in the book too, you know
1079
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:16.079
I have that record. It happened. You know, they went
1080
00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:19.880
to Defcon one. Now, some people when I first looked
1081
00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:22.960
at it, see, the first few years when the Canadianavy
1082
00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:25.280
was in we were still adjusting. We'd only been in
1083
00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:29.679
the system for a year there and and the record
1084
00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:32.719
keeping didn't always match up. We didn't write out def CONE.
1085
00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:37.679
We'd have assumed d C one reverted d C three,
1086
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:40.280
you know, like we had a different initial. The next
1087
00:59:40.360 --> 00:59:42.760
year we had our aligned with you know how the
1088
00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:45.719
US wanted it right, You know we had just become
1089
00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:51.960
signatories between Eisenhower and John Diefenbaker system. Yes, and you
1090
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:54.440
know it had only been a place, in fact, ironically
1091
00:59:54.519 --> 00:59:59.199
exactly one year when this happened. But no, the point is,
1092
00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:02.719
I'm just say, I'm just holding this against the thing
1093
01:00:03.119 --> 01:00:05.239
like we may have gone to DEPTHCON one the number
1094
01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:07.800
of times I don't know, but they've always claimed they
1095
01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:11.119
never had. When you read any definition I most people
1096
01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:15.679
wouldn't get beyond Wikipedia, I've gone beyond any written record claims.
1097
01:00:16.159 --> 01:00:18.840
You know that they never did. But now that I
1098
01:00:18.920 --> 01:00:21.039
got them to release a log book where it's recorded
1099
01:00:21.079 --> 01:00:24.280
in it that down I've shall burn of all places
1100
01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:29.119
in a supposedly a peacetime mind sweepy mission, we went
1101
01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:30.079
to DEPTHCN one.
1102
01:00:31.719 --> 01:00:34.119
Yeah, well it's you were related. They already knew, They
1103
01:00:34.159 --> 01:00:37.400
already knew et existed then, that's the point, surely, and
1104
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:40.719
they considered a national security threat already by then. They
1105
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:45.480
knew because they had plenty of observational evidence that they
1106
01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:47.400
were there, and that they were in the skis and
1107
01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:51.000
in the water and everywhere. And most people on this
1108
01:00:51.079 --> 01:00:55.000
planet don't know that. How soon they knew? You know, Yeah,
1109
01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:57.639
well this is shocking to me that you've got this
1110
01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:00.400
the paperwork for that. That's cool. I would print that
1111
01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:05.599
in a book. Well I did, okaya.
1112
01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:10.440
Yeah, and by the way, yeah, hey Tim Galladette like that.
1113
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:15.159
Hey, you know he buys it. But you know, you
1114
01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:17.400
know a lot of this is probably just from government
1115
01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:20.679
cutbacks and sloppy record keeping. And you know, like a
1116
01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:22.679
lot of the times when I request up, you get
1117
01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:27.360
some young staffer and they're like, what you were asking for?
1118
01:01:27.480 --> 01:01:29.559
And they go, did we actually do that? Yeah? And
1119
01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:33.199
they actually get into it, you know sometimes when I
1120
01:01:33.400 --> 01:01:34.719
you know what I used to do in the old days.
1121
01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:37.079
Here was my early technique back then, before I even
1122
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:39.679
had a computer or a home, you know, in the
1123
01:01:39.719 --> 01:01:43.719
early nineties. I'd go looking for something and I would
1124
01:01:44.360 --> 01:01:46.800
I would send in like a written They had these
1125
01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:51.559
ugly green forms, you know, like for an access infimration thing. Yeah,
1126
01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:54.760
and they'd send back a negative result. So I would
1127
01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:56.880
call them in the middle of the night. Nobody would
1128
01:01:56.920 --> 01:01:58.800
answer and leave a phone message. They used to be
1129
01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:02.199
duty bound to call you back on the phone. So
1130
01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:05.159
when some young stafford called, I'd get them interested in
1131
01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:07.679
the case and they were tired of and looking for
1132
01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:10.079
a photo of what building Bishop for when he went
1133
01:02:10.119 --> 01:02:12.719
to war in World War One. So they would start
1134
01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:15.719
researching for yep, there and then find it, you know,
1135
01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:18.800
or tell me what to do. I mean, I now
1136
01:02:18.880 --> 01:02:21.079
have a list of like every Navy ship and what
1137
01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:23.519
box is stored in and the file number. So they
1138
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:27.000
don't find something, I go, no, no, it's box whatever,
1139
01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:29.599
I have it here. They go, how would you know? Well,
1140
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:32.800
I know, you go check for me and you'll find it,
1141
01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:33.760
you know. Yeah.
1142
01:02:34.159 --> 01:02:36.599
So here's here's my question. A couple. So these are
1143
01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:42.440
two separate incidents. Yeah, absolutely, And your is it your
1144
01:02:42.519 --> 01:02:45.039
estimation that we're going to seg harbor that that was
1145
01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:47.360
a craft in distress coming down?
1146
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:51.880
It seemed to be more like a controlled ditch maneuver
1147
01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:54.599
like it wasn't. It wasn't the crash. But I mean
1148
01:02:54.719 --> 01:02:57.760
it's categorized that way. I don't. We think we have
1149
01:02:57.800 --> 01:03:01.119
a separate category for that. But but the point is
1150
01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:08.639
something of unknown origin, I would say, extraterrestrial origin, extra temporal,
1151
01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:13.719
or extra dimensional, take your pick. Something not local that
1152
01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:17.880
night and penetrated our skies and defense systems, and it
1153
01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:21.119
had so many witnesses and we now know what the
1154
01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:23.760
Canadian government thought about it. Because of some of the
1155
01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:27.079
documents I've retrieved and release that it would be hard
1156
01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:29.440
to deny. Now, you could chalk it up to I
1157
01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:33.239
don't know, cold war jitters or something. But I'm sorry
1158
01:03:34.119 --> 01:03:37.400
it happened. There's nothing anybody can do with it. You know.
1159
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:39.440
It's like rock and roll. You can't hide it away.
1160
01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:41.559
It's out there. There's nothing in the FBI or the
1161
01:03:41.599 --> 01:03:44.719
CIA can do about it. You know. But and people
1162
01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:46.840
don't worry because there's worse things that come along.
1163
01:03:47.039 --> 01:03:50.599
Eltan backam roll and in the Shelburne incident in a
1164
01:03:50.679 --> 01:03:53.840
nutshell is basically these two two craft Did you say
1165
01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:55.280
parked them below.
1166
01:03:55.400 --> 01:03:58.159
On the seabed. Yeah, so did the most of Shelburne Harbor,
1167
01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:03.320
very near what's called mcnus Island. Yeah. When you're down,
1168
01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:05.000
I'll take you out to it. We'll go see it.
1169
01:04:05.159 --> 01:04:10.480
Oh yeah, that was that there? You know what was that? Okay,
1170
01:04:10.599 --> 01:04:12.920
appear to be in distress as well or were they
1171
01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:13.440
just you.
1172
01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:15.599
Probably want it in feet, don't you?
1173
01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:17.840
You're not? Yours is fine, I understand, you know.
1174
01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:26.159
Fathoms? Yeah, okay, that's come to the water.
1175
01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:26.920
Yeah.
1176
01:04:27.559 --> 01:04:30.639
So that answers the question when people say, well, why
1177
01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:34.840
couldn't this be a Russian suck? A Russian suck? First
1178
01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:37.440
of all, can you imagine coming in where there's eighteen
1179
01:04:37.519 --> 01:04:41.480
NATO ships and in the Cold War?
1180
01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:43.199
No, that would.
1181
01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:48.960
Have been a hot war pretty quick, right, and probably
1182
01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:50.280
not on the conning.
1183
01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:52.360
How was it?
1184
01:04:52.400 --> 01:04:55.360
I didn't hear fifteen fathoms forty.
1185
01:04:55.159 --> 01:04:59.719
No, No, seven fathoms forty seven? Okay, all right, we're
1186
01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:05.360
only forty two feet. That's not forty two feet that
1187
01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:11.159
I have the exact cordus where they were. Did they
1188
01:05:11.239 --> 01:05:12.159
bring anything up?
1189
01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:13.519
Do you have evidence of that?
1190
01:05:13.559 --> 01:05:15.440
Did they bring it? Yes? Yeah, And I can tell
1191
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:18.880
you where it ended up too. Where were it
ended up?
1192
01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:22.880
At the Naval Research Establishment on Grove Street in Dartmouth,
1193
01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:23.639
Nova Scotia.
1194
01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:27.079
Okay? Was it one or two crafts?
1195
01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:30.519
Well, it was too crass, but they they they just
1196
01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:32.599
had little bits and pieces that had come off from
1197
01:05:32.599 --> 01:05:33.880
the day.
1198
01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:36.440
What was the disposition of that? Did anybody say it
1199
01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:37.039
took off? What?
1200
01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:41.639
No, we don't know what's happened because the mission they
1201
01:05:41.679 --> 01:05:45.239
stayed over it for four more days. Yeah, and then
1202
01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:47.880
they had that hot wash up meeting. The Americans came
1203
01:05:48.679 --> 01:05:50.639
and then the ship sailed away and they went in
1204
01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:51.800
two different directions.
1205
01:05:51.880 --> 01:05:54.119
I can tell you what happened. They got evidence of
1206
01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:56.679
et going back in the craft and the craft going
1207
01:05:57.119 --> 01:05:58.199
and getting the heck out of there.
1208
01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:01.159
Well, that happened in shag her by the way, a
1209
01:06:01.239 --> 01:06:06.880
week later to the hour, okay, seen to leave Shag
1210
01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:08.280
Harbor and fly away.
1211
01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:12.559
There were multiple witnesses that and that story even got
1212
01:06:12.559 --> 01:06:17.719
coverage back in the day in the National Acquire And yeah,
1213
01:06:18.039 --> 01:06:20.280
of course, you know if you read the National Choir
1214
01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:23.159
in the sixties, it's not what people picture now. Yes,
1215
01:06:23.199 --> 01:06:27.119
it was a tabloid. It was a pretty subdued compared
1216
01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:30.880
to you know, Elvis had you know, seen the grocery
1217
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:34.079
store or whatever. It wasn't that kind of tabloid then.
1218
01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:38.639
It was. I respected that there were stories and nobody
1219
01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:39.159
else would.
1220
01:06:39.400 --> 01:06:43.280
That's right. And you know they didn't just say here
1221
01:06:43.400 --> 01:06:45.400
said they researched it and put.
1222
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:49.079
It on like Travis you say, you know, like, yeah,
1223
01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:50.719
it was a different kind of thing. It was a
1224
01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:52.519
different time, a different publication.
1225
01:06:52.760 --> 01:06:56.159
So how big was this shag Harbor craft? Did you
1226
01:06:56.159 --> 01:06:57.679
ever get any estimation on that?
1227
01:06:58.119 --> 01:07:00.519
Yeah, it says right, remember the doc. But I told
1228
01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:02.639
you I just quoted that one line. It says right
1229
01:07:02.639 --> 01:07:06.039
in at sixty feet in diameter and it says diameter,
1230
01:07:06.599 --> 01:07:08.840
and oh yeah, I should tell you that. That's the
1231
01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:13.000
cool part is that, you know, everybody else said, well
1232
01:07:13.039 --> 01:07:16.360
we saw four lights at least fifteen feet between them,
1233
01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:19.000
and they were saying, no one ever talks about a
1234
01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:21.800
disk or whatever. And I thought, so why does Ottawa
1235
01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:26.000
always say in diameter in these documents between departments. Well,
1236
01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:27.800
when I found remember, I said, a few years ago,
1237
01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:30.679
the light keeper's wife and she sees it enter the
1238
01:07:30.719 --> 01:07:34.840
water and she says, it's a classic disc binga miss
1239
01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:38.079
missus Abelle Towers was the one who told them that.
1240
01:07:38.360 --> 01:07:41.559
Oh wow, well you know, you know, think about it, right. So,
1241
01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:44.320
I mean it took me years, like I had all
1242
01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:47.280
kinds of witnesses. But you know, that's the thing when
1243
01:07:47.280 --> 01:07:49.159
you keep going, when you have a case of this
1244
01:07:49.239 --> 01:07:52.360
kind of depth like shag harbor or shellburn, you're sitting
1245
01:07:52.400 --> 01:07:55.599
this sing it, I mean for years and people always say, well,
1246
01:07:55.960 --> 01:07:57.960
it sounds like just some lights. I go, no, it
1247
01:07:58.079 --> 01:08:00.480
was something in diameter. W Well, I don't know how
1248
01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:03.920
they knew that, because these witnesses that were driving in
1249
01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:06.199
their cars just saw the lights, you know, going over.
1250
01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:08.719
You know the moon had already set that night, you know,
1251
01:08:08.760 --> 01:08:13.239
it was they couldn't discern the craft. Right. But when
1252
01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:15.800
she's seen it hit the water and the lights reflect
1253
01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:19.880
back upon it, right, She's seen this classic disc You see. Wow.
1254
01:08:20.439 --> 01:08:21.880
I have a question I want to pop up in
1255
01:08:22.039 --> 01:08:24.680
chat chat which is kind of relevant to this sw
1256
01:08:25.960 --> 01:08:28.680
I remember reading about this. What do you think the
1257
01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:32.479
quote yellowish foam was that was floating on check Harbor
1258
01:08:33.439 --> 01:08:34.600
and were samples tacking?
1259
01:08:35.880 --> 01:08:38.439
There was no there was an attempt to sample it.
1260
01:08:38.560 --> 01:08:41.079
The first thing I'd remind you is the people who
1261
01:08:41.159 --> 01:08:43.479
were on the scene when the foam was present. Like
1262
01:08:43.880 --> 01:08:47.880
when this thing strikes right before the Coastguard arrives and
1263
01:08:47.960 --> 01:08:51.640
it didn't take them that long. The RCMP and a
1264
01:08:51.640 -->
01:08:54.880
couple of the local witnesses jump aboard to local fishing
1265
01:08:54.920 --> 01:08:58.760
boats and they start making their way toward the UFO
1266
01:08:59.039 --> 01:09:02.319
on the water. Before they get to it, it either
1267
01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:04.720
depending on who you're speaking to, they either tell you
1268
01:09:04.800 --> 01:09:09.159
it disappeared or it submerged. Right. But as they get
1269
01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:13.199
to the last known surface position where they'd observed it,
1270
01:09:13.800 --> 01:09:17.960
what they find is a streak of dense yellow foam
1271
01:09:18.720 --> 01:09:20.960
that was at least half a mile in lengths and
1272
01:09:21.039 --> 01:09:26.119
eighty feet across. Wow, And that phone was slowly dissipating
1273
01:09:26.199 --> 01:09:30.199
in the ebbing tide right now. Some say it smelled
1274
01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:33.600
of sulfur. Some say it had no spell so smell.
1275
01:09:35.399 --> 01:09:39.279
A local fisherman, yeah, yeah, one of the local fishermen
1276
01:09:39.319 --> 01:09:43.399
who was there, Norm Smith, attempted to gather some into
1277
01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:46.159
deep net, but it would just dissipate in the dep net.
1278
01:09:46.640 --> 01:09:49.199
But remember the thing that's in their minds, the mental
1279
01:09:49.359 --> 01:09:51.640
we felt sick. There were something. They were looking for bodies,
1280
01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:54.159
they said, you know, they thought of planing that. Most
1281
01:09:54.199 --> 01:09:56.319
of the people that responded were home and a sleep
1282
01:09:56.840 --> 01:10:00.520
fishing village. Men go to bed there up early. They
1283
01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:03.079
didn't see it happen. You know, the young guys who
1284
01:10:03.159 --> 01:10:05.760
were out driving around with their girlfriends or whatever saw
1285
01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:09.159
this happen and reported that the lightkeeper's wife saw it happen.
1286
01:10:09.680 --> 01:10:11.920
But most of the people that responded in their boats,
1287
01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:14.520
they never saw it, you know, in the air right.
1288
01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:18.520
And like I say, no one actually reported the UFO.
1289
01:10:19.279 --> 01:10:22.319
So you know, they come out there, they're looking to
1290
01:10:22.359 --> 01:10:25.039
find bodies, they're looking for records. They're not thinking that.
1291
01:10:25.319 --> 01:10:27.399
But if they get there and see this, they're like,
1292
01:10:27.479 --> 01:10:28.039
what the hell?
1293
01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:30.039
Was there any dead fish in the fund?
1294
01:10:31.479 --> 01:10:34.159
Not right away, but there was dead fish. There was
1295
01:10:34.199 --> 01:10:36.359
a big fish killing the harbor. And you know what,
1296
01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:38.800
I wouldn't have looked for that or found that. It
1297
01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:41.039
was a few weeks later and it was really an
1298
01:10:41.079 --> 01:10:45.039
extraordinary one the lake. Carl Fink put me on to
1299
01:10:45.119 --> 01:10:45.840
search for that.
1300
01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:49.399
Yeah, that's because of a radiation from the craft. If
1301
01:10:49.439 --> 01:10:51.840
it's if it's not in face, so it's coming in
1302
01:10:51.880 --> 01:10:55.439
on batteries. Okay, they're very hot and when they hit
1303
01:10:55.479 --> 01:10:57.640
the water, they're hitting the water at about two thousand
1304
01:10:57.640 --> 01:11:01.560
degrees and they're radioactive. Okay, And that would have killed fish,
1305
01:11:01.560 --> 01:11:03.239
It would have burned, it would.
1306
01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:07.119
Have that stuff. Yeah, yeah, But it was the urging
1307
01:11:07.159 --> 01:11:10.239
of Carl Fyne that yeah, you know, yes there was
1308
01:11:10.279 --> 01:11:14.199
a large fish kill sat where I have a photo
1309
01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:15.159
of it too, like beach.
1310
01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:17.640
Lets me know, it was not a dimensional at all.
1311
01:11:17.720 --> 01:11:19.800
They were in face and in which they were in
1312
01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:22.760
the third dimension fulling. They were charged by their batteries
1313
01:11:22.760 --> 01:11:27.239
and they were very hot and and wow that's amazing.
1314
01:11:27.399 --> 01:11:35.720
Okay, Okay, yeah, were samples taken then, well, say there
1315
01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:38.239
was an attempt, but what happened at the time, you know,
1316
01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:41.520
instead of using proper containers and using technique, the fishermen,
1317
01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:44.079
like I say, one guy took a really fine dip
1318
01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:46.720
net and tried to gather some but it would just dissipate,
1319
01:11:47.520 --> 01:11:50.720
you know, nothing in the depp net, right. Norm Smith
1320
01:11:50.840 --> 01:11:53.319
was the name of the local fisherman. He's still alive,
1321
01:11:53.359 --> 01:11:55.359
but any lucky you might get to meet him. He
1322
01:11:55.520 --> 01:11:58.479
was actually there, like laurie'll be there. A lot of
1323
01:11:58.479 --> 01:12:01.319
these witnesses, they're still alive. If they were young guys
1324
01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:03.640
we even't had, you know, when I talked about the
1325
01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:07.119
case a week later where two were seen to leave
1326
01:12:07.159 --> 01:12:09.079
the water and fly over to the Gulf of beIN.
1327
01:12:09.800 --> 01:12:12.960
In that all UH coverage by the National Choir, there's
1328
01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:15.600
even a picture of Laurie and we often joke about
1329
01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:18.520
and say, Jesus, it looked like Tory Dawnau in the
1330
01:12:18.640 --> 01:12:23.039
nineteen fifties, you know, because now he's little, wisest old girl,
1331
01:12:23.239 --> 01:12:25.560
you know, you know fisherman that we all know, right,
1332
01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:28.520
but at the time he looked like fresh faced young
1333
01:12:28.560 -->
01:12:31.319
guy you know there and you know, it just takes
1334
01:12:31.319 --> 01:12:33.520
you back in time. But you'll get to see all
1335
01:12:33.560 --> 01:12:35.840
that when you're up, you know, for the conference here.
1336
01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:38.359
So when did you start speaking publicly about it? I mean,
1337
01:12:38.359 --> 01:12:40.520
what prompted you to write a book and move forward?
1338
01:12:40.520 --> 01:12:43.720
And the more well, when I got into it, I
1339
01:12:43.760 --> 01:12:46.159
certainly had no intention to do anything. I had no
1340
01:12:46.239 --> 01:12:50.520
intention to going on television, writing a book, okay, and
1341
01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:53.119
most of the other things. I just simply wanted the
1342
01:12:53.159 --> 01:12:55.960
answers because I remember this, Like I said, I seen
1343
01:12:56.039 --> 01:12:59.399
that episode of Unsolved Mysteries, and you know, I hadn't
1344
01:12:59.399 --> 01:13:01.159
read you up books like I did when I was
1345
01:13:01.159 --> 01:13:04.800
a boy. But it brought it all back, combined with
1346
01:13:04.840 --> 01:13:07.079
the fact I was unemployed and had time with my
1347
01:13:07.159 --> 01:13:09.279
hands at the time, one of the rare periods alike
1348
01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:13.039
when I was unemployed and one thing led to another,
1349
01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:15.920
and with the help of Stan Freedman hooking me up
1350
01:13:15.920 --> 01:13:19.720
with the fun for UFO research and the encouragement of
1351
01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:23.039
good friends, and to be honest, a lot of the
1352
01:13:23.159 --> 01:13:25.920
US researchers and the field, I was shocked. I talked
1353
01:13:25.920 --> 01:13:27.720
about the first time I went down there, and that
1354
01:13:27.800 --> 01:13:31.279
led to many other presentations and god, you name it.
1355
01:13:31.319 --> 01:13:33.760
I was all over the US there in those early
1356
01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:39.279
years was how open they were. In fact, you just
1357
01:13:39.319 --> 01:13:42.319
brought back a memory. It's really cool that first time
1358
01:13:42.479 --> 01:13:45.920
I told the story. You know, it's like the first
1359
01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:48.000
time in anything. There's a certain magic to it. Right
1360
01:13:48.039 --> 01:13:50.279
when I was you know how I talked about the
1361
01:13:50.279 --> 01:13:52.560
first two people come up with Kevin Randall, who were
1362
01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:55.319
going to have this year in the Lakefield class, who
1363
01:13:55.680 --> 01:13:57.479
I brought up and I wanted to hate and I
1364
01:13:57.560 --> 01:13:59.680
just felt sorry for this poor old guy with bad
1365
01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:04.560
back pain. I can tell some stories about that later,
1366
01:14:04.600 --> 01:14:11.560
but no, anyway, I'm not that interesting. But well, anyway,
1367
01:14:11.800 --> 01:14:14.159
the third person to come up there was an elderly well,
1368
01:14:14.600 --> 01:14:17.000
third and fourth there was an elderly couple that came up.
1369
01:14:17.159 --> 01:14:19.119
I don't know their names. I'm not sure I ever
1370
01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:22.000
know it told me to thank me, and they were smiling.
1371
01:14:22.079 --> 01:14:25.760
They were quite elderly, I remember, and they said, thank you,
1372
01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:28.920
thank you, my god, we needed this, they said. You know,
1373
01:14:28.960 --> 01:14:32.399
they just felt like it's made it legitimate. You know,
1374
01:14:32.720 --> 01:14:36.039
they were so and you could see it, like that
1375
01:14:36.159 --> 01:14:38.479
kind of joy in their face, and you know that
1376
01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:42.039
really it was just it stays weight. I can see
1377
01:14:42.039 --> 01:14:42.760
them in my mind.
1378
01:14:44.119 --> 01:14:47.319
The point is this, it's one thing to know about information.
1379
01:14:47.399 --> 01:14:50.159
It's another to have lots of corroborating evidence and people
1380
01:14:50.199 --> 01:14:50.800
who saw it.
1381
01:14:51.119 --> 01:14:54.079
People, yeah, we physically talked to because.
1382
01:14:53.720 --> 01:14:56.600
This is a real phenomenon, this is really right and
1383
01:14:57.479 --> 01:14:59.680
seen it and need to know or know about it,
1384
01:14:59.720 --> 01:15:01.720
need to know that it is real. And that helps
1385
01:15:02.159 --> 01:15:05.359
bring home, you know, to him, you know it's real.
1386
01:15:05.479 --> 01:15:09.399
Well yeah, yeah, It's not enough to just answer the question.
1387
01:15:09.479 --> 01:15:11.439
As I often say to people, You've got to crush
1388
01:15:11.479 --> 01:15:16.399
the question, like I mean, and you know, I mean,
1389
01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:21.159
I must admit, you know, it's enjoyable when people say,
1390
01:15:21.279 --> 01:15:25.000
you know, there's times like when you know, I've been
1391
01:15:25.199 --> 01:15:28.000
looked into a sighting or I've claimed something and somebody
1392
01:15:28.079 --> 01:15:31.199
asked how and they answer it and they later claimed
1393
01:15:31.199 --> 01:15:33.760
like there was a move on investigator once they said, well,
1394
01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:36.399
you know, I think here's what he really saw. He
1395
01:15:36.439 --> 01:15:39.760
didn't understand, and when I sent it back to him,
1396
01:15:39.760 --> 01:15:42.039
I thanked him for his effort, which I didn't agree with.
1397
01:15:42.119 --> 01:15:44.159
I didn't critically. I just thanked him, you know, and
1398
01:15:44.199 --> 01:15:45.840
asked him what I thought, and I told him and
1399
01:15:46.039 --> 01:15:48.039
I wasn't going to tell anyone else, but I see
1400
01:15:48.039 --> 01:15:50.439
see the director remove on in Canada at the time,
1401
01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:53.000
because he'd asked me to report to him, you know,
1402
01:15:53.079 --> 01:15:55.600
and put it in the files. And when he seen
1403
01:15:55.760 --> 01:15:58.439
what he said to me,
he was like, oh Jesus,
1404
01:15:58.520 --> 01:16:00.560
He says, you guys got to talk, you get he'll
1405
01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:03.520
chew you up. Well, no, I wouldn't do that. But
1406
01:16:03.640 --> 01:16:07.640
he was like they were so concerned, right. And I remember,
1407
01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:10.000
you know, on something like the third or fourth Trap.
1408
01:16:10.039 --> 01:16:13.159
I remember being invited to a meal. There's a bunch
1409
01:16:13.199 --> 01:16:16.479
of the move On people around, and they were talking
1410
01:16:16.479 --> 01:16:19.079
about Stanton, you know, and he had this great reputation
1411
01:16:19.199 --> 01:16:22.359
to somebody that you didn't criticize or messed with. And
1412
01:16:22.359 --> 01:16:24.960
I just sit there and listen to the stories. And
1413
01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:27.279
he said, well, you know what someone's mistake. He went
1414
01:16:27.319 --> 01:16:31.199
on disagreed and with TV on TV, and I remember Antonio,
1415
01:16:31.199 --> 01:16:33.239
you names said that guy there does it all the
1416
01:16:33.279 --> 01:16:36.359
time with him Candida disagree, it tells him he's wrong
1417
01:16:36.399 --> 01:16:38.520
on TV and he goes, well what is Thatton say?
1418
01:16:38.520 --> 01:16:43.000
He goes nothing, And I thought this was so funny.
1419
01:16:43.000 --> 01:16:46.359
I said, no, it's not like ned. Stanton knows we disagree,
1420
01:16:46.439 --> 01:16:48.560
we get along. I said, you know, he's a teddy bear,
1421
01:16:48.640 --> 01:16:50.319
you know, And they just looked at me like I
1422
01:16:50.479 --> 01:16:51.039
was crazy.
1423
01:16:51.239 --> 01:16:54.439
You know, No, I really respect stunt and he was
1424
01:16:54.439 --> 01:16:56.119
talking about UFOs long before.
1425
01:16:56.800 --> 01:17:00.840
Yeah to me, I'm.
1426
01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:02.680
Going to pop up a few more questions because we
1427
01:17:02.720 --> 01:17:06.840
are slowly pro at the last quarter of the show here. Yeah,
1428
01:17:07.239 --> 01:17:09.840
this is from the astral tourist. I have a question
1429
01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:12.319
for Chris if time allows. This is actually before we
1430
01:17:12.359 --> 01:17:16.119
started the show. Do you see a lot of the
1431
01:17:16.159 --> 01:17:20.039
black triangle UFOs up in Canada? Says he recently saw
1432
01:17:20.119 --> 01:17:25.920
some while doing astral projection. Very interesting, Well.
1433
01:17:25.680 --> 01:17:30.520
I've seen some. There was no astral projection needed. It
1434
01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:32.399
was back in the nineties when we had a bit
1435
01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:35.399
of a rash of the Don Ledger, my co author
1436
01:17:35.439 --> 01:17:38.479
and Dark Object investigated a great case here where they
1437
01:17:38.520 --> 01:17:42.319
had radar proof of an extremely large one here. You know,
1438
01:17:42.359 --> 01:17:46.479
when he did a good investigation into it, I saw
1439
01:17:46.600 --> 01:17:49.760
two pass over very quickly in a pair one night.
1440
01:17:49.920 --> 01:17:53.159
It was most resent. And but this was in that
1441
01:17:53.199 --> 01:17:55.800
period when we were getting a lot of triangle sightings
1442
01:17:55.840 --> 01:17:59.680
worldwide there. Yeah, and you know, from Phoenix to Belgium
1443
01:17:59.800 --> 01:18:05.720
to whatever. You know. Yeah, very cool. You know, just
1444
01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:09.319
one more thing that, like I say, you know, if
1445
01:18:09.319 --> 01:18:11.560
one had any doubts you know, it's one thing to
1446
01:18:11.720 --> 01:18:14.000
do the work. It's one thing to hear the voices,
1447
01:18:14.159 --> 01:18:18.039
have the texts and the documents. But seeing is still believing, boy,
1448
01:18:18.279 --> 01:18:18.640
And you.
1449
01:18:18.600 --> 01:18:23.840
Know, yeah, I'm just going to say it. The triangles
1450
01:18:23.840 --> 01:18:26.880
are Tier three beats. Those are back engineered craft and
1451
01:18:26.920 --> 01:18:29.760
they've been flying since the late seventies, early eighties.
1452
01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:32.760
All I know is their triangles. And the.
1453
01:18:34.560 --> 01:18:37.880
ET doesn't fly black crafts ever, they don't, and they
1454
01:18:37.880 --> 01:18:41.079
don't fly triangles either. Our government does, and they in
1455
01:18:41.119 --> 01:18:44.079
the early the late seventies, the first part half that
1456
01:18:44.119 --> 01:18:46.640
they were flying on they flew them with the white
1457
01:18:46.800 --> 01:18:48.840
thing in the center and the lights on the red
1458
01:18:48.880 --> 01:18:51.479
lights on the points. And then after the nineties it
1459
01:18:51.520 --> 01:18:53.079
went the other way. It was the white light in
1460
01:18:53.119 --> 01:18:54.479
the middle and the red on the points.
1461
01:18:54.760 --> 01:18:58.640
So you gotta yeah, yeah, that's how these were. Yeah yeah.
1462
01:18:58.680 --> 01:19:01.279
And then there's a Tier three B and those are ours.
1463
01:19:01.840 --> 01:19:04.439
They belong to the US.
1464
01:19:05.640 --> 01:19:10.119
That's kind of interesting. Well, here's another question from another question.
1465
01:19:10.199 --> 01:19:13.640
This one's from Michael Kennedy, who always he's right up
1466
01:19:13.680 --> 01:19:16.359
on there on the cutting edge of what's going on,
1467
01:19:16.399 --> 01:19:19.520
because I don't know about this from skywatchers. You know,
1468
01:19:19.560 --> 01:19:22.600
the UFO group, and he counts in the newly released
1469
01:19:22.800 --> 01:19:25.720
nine UAP types. I'm gonna have to look into that.
1470
01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:27.239
I don't know about this well.
1471
01:19:27.279 --> 01:19:29.520
The one thing I can tell you is, and I
1472
01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:31.359
don't know if that's one of the line because I
1473
01:19:31.399 --> 01:19:34.039
haven't looked at that as a sort of charted, separate,
1474
01:19:34.520 --> 01:19:37.600
you know, sub genre
of anything. But I can tell
1475
01:19:37.640 --> 01:19:40.720
you this that you know the sightings that were linked
1476
01:19:40.720 --> 01:19:45.960
to the US has Teddy Rose about, you know, the
1477
01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:50.239
ones where you had the the sphere of the the
1478
01:19:50.319 --> 01:19:53.279
cube inside the sphere or whatever. You know this that
1479
01:19:53.399 --> 01:19:59.920
kind of crap right, myself and sixty other people have
1480
01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:03.199
at an hour and twenty minute daytime sighting of one
1481
01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:06.359
of them here in Nova Scotia on September the fifteen,
1482
01:20:06.399 --> 01:20:08.760
twenty eighteen. It got a lot of press covery chair
1483
01:20:08.800 --> 01:20:11.960
in Eastern Canada and we shot an hour and twenty
1484
01:20:11.960 --> 01:20:15.399
minutes of video. I'm not the copyright hold you said you're.
1485
01:20:15.239 --> 01:20:16.479
Going to show me that, by the way, I want
1486
01:20:16.479 --> 01:20:17.439
to see that.
1487
01:20:18.279 --> 01:20:20.159
When you're off, I will show you. I'm not the
1488
01:20:20.199 --> 01:20:23.720
copyright holder, so I can't. I'd be glad to share
1489
01:20:23.760 --> 01:20:24.319
it with you.
1490
01:20:24.359 --> 01:20:29.439
For yes, their ring, that's impression Yeah, they're showing off
1491
01:20:29.479 --> 01:20:31.359
to you because it looks transparent.
1492
01:20:31.479 --> 01:20:35.239
Yeah. Yeah, day daytime. I got there for the last
1493
01:20:35.239 --> 01:20:38.920
seven minutes, but I've got a ten minute exert of
1494
01:20:38.960 --> 01:20:41.159
a fellow who filled it for an hour and twenty minutes.
1495
01:20:41.199 --> 01:20:44.720
And it was impressive. I mean, again, you know, so
1496
01:20:44.920 --> 01:20:47.680
unusual in Nova Scotia. That day we had like there's
1497
01:20:47.720 --> 01:20:50.840
no cloud cover or haze, like a wind dex blue sky,
1498
01:20:51.399 --> 01:20:55.079
you know, I mean perfect viewing conditions, you know, and
1499
01:20:55.399 --> 01:20:57.319
you know what you're looking at when you say it,
1500
01:20:57.640 --> 01:21:02.279
and it's last closest approach. I was lucky enough to
1501
01:21:02.279 --> 01:21:08.960
have a pair of seven power boculars right quality, focus
1502
01:21:09.039 --> 01:21:11.279
free and I got it right on it and to
1503
01:21:11.359 --> 01:21:15.439
look into it, it was very disorienting, the geometry inside
1504
01:21:15.479 --> 01:21:19.600
and that it was impressive. And you know, the three
1505
01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:21.520
or four friends who were with me that day that
1506
01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:24.920
were experiencing this all experienced it and kind of had
1507
01:21:24.920 --> 01:21:29.199
an oddspector and in totally different ways. And you know,
1508
01:21:29.319 --> 01:21:32.840
to have a UFO experience sighting encounter whatever you need
1509
01:21:32.880 --> 01:21:35.840
two things. Need a witness, you need an experiencer
in
1510
01:21:35.880 --> 01:21:39.239
the UFO And it was interesting. I watched them as
1511
01:21:39.319 --> 01:21:41.720
much as I did the object towards the end, and
1512
01:21:41.800 --> 01:21:44.399
I was glad I did it. It gave me such insight,
1513
01:21:44.600 --> 01:21:44.840
you know.
1514
01:21:45.319 --> 01:21:47.039
Yeah, they're very cool.
1515
01:21:47.359 --> 01:21:51.079
Yep, Yeah, all right, we have another question. This is
1516
01:21:51.119 --> 01:21:53.239
a good one. I'm curious about that. I've done a
1517
01:21:53.279 --> 01:21:56.920
lot of research into usos myself. I've got a few
1518
01:21:56.960 --> 01:21:59.640
cases where the USO is going pretty much as fast
1519
01:21:59.640 --> 01:22:02.279
as was in the sky, and Mountain Down is asking
1520
01:22:02.279 --> 01:22:06.199
about this, Well, yeah, it's just USO clocked that you
1521
01:22:06.319 --> 01:22:06.720
heard of.
1522
01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:14.399
Locally. The fastest I've heard of locally were a numbers
1523
01:22:14.760 --> 01:22:17.840
assigned and there was some data to back it up,
1524
01:22:17.880 --> 01:22:20.039
would have been in the order of one hundred knots.
1525
01:22:20.119 --> 01:22:23.319
But I've certainly seen reports of them going much faster,
1526
01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:27.119
like you say, Presston, like one would see in the
1527
01:22:27.159 --> 01:22:30.560
atmosphere as supposed under, but I mean one hundred knots.
1528
01:22:30.920 --> 01:22:33.119
Even in the early sixties, there's a case of a
1529
01:22:33.199 --> 01:22:38.239
Canadian naval ship HMCS shaw d Air again about one
1530
01:22:38.319 --> 01:22:41.359
hundred miles O from Shelbourne Off they comes near the
1531
01:22:41.439 --> 01:22:45.199
edge of the continental shelf, chased one for days off
1532
01:22:45.239 --> 01:22:49.439
and on, and it was doing one hundred knots or more,
1533
01:22:49.720 --> 01:22:51.520
and it would play cat and moss and let the
1534
01:22:51.520 --> 01:22:56.359
ship catch up and then just gone eh and impressive.
1535
01:22:56.640 --> 01:22:58.640
But I've heard of cases where they've been at least
1536
01:22:58.640 --> 01:23:02.399
three times that speed. I would suspect much faster.
1537
01:23:02.560 --> 01:23:06.720
Still, certainly much faster than anything we got. We know that.
1538
01:23:07.199 --> 01:23:09.640
Yeah, well, you know, the Russians have been able to
1539
01:23:09.640 --> 01:23:12.880
get certain torpedoes that fast, you know, like one hundred
1540
01:23:12.920 --> 01:23:16.359
knots or better. They bleed air for the front of
1541
01:23:16.359 --> 01:23:21.119
them what do they call cativating torpedoes, And it reduces
1542
01:23:21.199 --> 01:23:25.600
the forward motion because they're actually going from water to
1543
01:23:25.600 --> 01:23:27.560
air as it bleeds the air in front of them, right,
1544
01:23:27.600 --> 01:23:31.039
which allows them to have less resistance to forward motion.
1545
01:23:31.800 --> 01:23:35.199
But you know, these things were well beyond that, some
1546
01:23:35.279 --> 01:23:37.239
of them. But I mean, the other thing is that
1547
01:23:37.600 --> 01:23:40.720
any one of those torpedoes the Russians were fooling with
1548
01:23:40.840 --> 01:23:43.640
back then the Soviets, it would have been then where
1549
01:23:44.680 --> 01:23:47.079
you know, would have long exhausted the air and the
1550
01:23:47.079 --> 01:23:50.840
fuel supply before these ships. You know, these things pursued
1551
01:23:50.880 --> 01:23:54.159
them for days off our coast. And the men remembered
1552
01:23:54.159 --> 01:23:59.319
this case because they lost their christmasification over it. Lots
1553
01:23:59.319 --> 01:24:01.119
of good stories to tell me about that.
1554
01:24:01.279 --> 01:24:04.920
Yeah, amazing, all right, this is going back to your
1555
01:24:05.079 --> 01:24:09.319
original UFO sighting, Joe Glover is asking you mentioned you
1556
01:24:09.399 --> 01:24:11.239
froze when you saw the sodigt as a kid.
1557
01:24:11.319 --> 01:24:12.359
Yeah, but at.
1558
01:24:12.239 --> 01:24:14.840
Any point did you think about waving at it or
1559
01:24:14.920 --> 01:24:16.479
was it really that heart stopping?
1560
01:24:17.319 --> 01:24:20.439
It was that heart stopping. I was a twelve year
1561
01:24:20.520 --> 01:24:21.920
boy and I wasn't that brave.
1562
01:24:22.039 --> 01:24:25.199
I'm telling you wouldn't do that now, right, Oh, I
1563
01:24:25.239 --> 01:24:26.600
don't do it now now?
1564
01:24:27.159 --> 01:24:29.439
Oh my god. I get stories to tell you when
1565
01:24:29.439 --> 01:24:31.039
you get up here. And we got the time or
1566
01:24:32.079 --> 01:24:34.640
why I have to do this another time with me
1567
01:24:34.720 --> 01:24:37.640
and Don Ledger, we had a different opinion on that.
1568
01:24:37.720 --> 01:24:40.039
Stopped on the highway one night in the bad rainstorm
1569
01:24:40.039 --> 01:24:43.000
and there was something out there, and you know, He's like,
1570
01:24:43.039 --> 01:24:44.640
what do you do? And I said, I'm going over
1571
01:24:44.680 --> 01:24:49.680
to take the hell you are. I'm going you know, yeah, No,
1572
01:24:49.720 --> 01:24:51.800
I don't think it bothered me now, but at that time, no,
1573
01:24:52.000 --> 01:24:55.520
I was terrified. You know, you've just taken me back
1574
01:24:55.560 --> 01:24:58.039
to another really good tater to tell you too about
1575
01:24:58.119 --> 01:25:00.399
one of the most when I told you, you know,
1576
01:25:00.439 --> 01:25:02.439
it was amazing in the beginning, the first time they
1577
01:25:02.479 --> 01:25:05.800
spoke in the US years ago, and you know, the
1578
01:25:05.840 --> 01:25:08.439
reaction to the people. And you know, the thing I
1579
01:25:08.439 --> 01:25:10.840
remember was these people I don't know their names, you know,
1580
01:25:10.880 --> 01:25:15.520
that felt this emotional thing and they were honoring me
1581
01:25:15.600
--> 01:25:17.439
for you know, the research I had done. And it
1582
01:25:17.479 --> 01:25:22.119
was early days then, right, But when with that question there,
1583
01:25:22.479 --> 01:25:26.159
here's what it reflects to me. I was once asked
1584
01:25:26.239 --> 01:25:29.000
up here back again in the nineties to do a
1585
01:25:29.039 --> 01:25:32.359
talk to a grade nine class, you know, and I
1586
01:25:32.439 --> 01:25:34.920
agreed to it. The friend that asked me he was
1587
01:25:34.920 --> 01:25:37.840
a filmmaker and he wanted to see what the reaction
1588
01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:39.680
was because we were going to show a few minutes
1589
01:25:39.680 --> 01:25:42.319
of a dog you rentry had believes. And the teacher
1590
01:25:42.439 --> 01:25:45.199
was comfortable with it because they knew each other, you know,
1591
01:25:45.319 --> 01:25:48.239
knew I wasn't some while a guy that was going
1592
01:25:48.279 --> 01:25:52.119
to plant questionable ideas and young people. So I was safe,
1593
01:25:52.279 --> 01:25:55.479
you know, but hopefully interesting. And I went in and
1594
01:25:55.560 --> 01:25:58.000
at first, you know, you realized grade nine is a
1595
01:25:58.079 --> 01:26:00.000
tough crowd. They were all slumped down in their seat
1596
01:26:00.039 --> 01:26:02.920
if they introduced me, and these guys are like wow.
1597
01:26:03.640 --> 01:26:08.119
It was kind of like hippies are lame. Yeah, was
1598
01:26:08.119 --> 01:26:10.680
the was the look and the reaction you know, well,
1599
01:26:10.680 --> 01:26:13.319
I'll tell you the mistake. Here's my first mistake, I said.
1600
01:26:13.479 --> 01:26:17.800
I asked them, you know, I talk about how it's
1601
01:26:17.800 --> 01:26:19.439
a world life and home and that, and I go,
1602
01:26:19.560 --> 01:26:22.039
how many people here have seen the UFO. Just we'll
1603
01:26:22.079 --> 01:26:24.399
have a show of hands, and I raised my hand.
1604
01:26:24.439 --> 01:26:28.720
I'm the only one who did a bad start. However,
1605
01:26:29.079 --> 01:26:32.119
let's shorten this right up. Within an hour, I won
1606
01:26:32.199 --> 01:26:34.039
them all over, and I could see it, you know,
1607
01:26:34.079 --> 01:26:36.640
because they're starting to get hey, man, this guy's real.
1608
01:26:37.000 --> 01:26:40.399
You know. This wasn't like internet rumors. This is you know,
1609
01:26:40.920 --> 01:26:43.520
he's been there. You know, he's seen it, he's talked
1610
01:26:43.520 --> 01:26:48.239
to the people, he's got the he's got the real doctors. Yes, okay.
1611
01:26:48.640 --> 01:26:51.560
So at the end, now they're all sitting up in
1612
01:26:51.600 --> 01:26:57.680
they're destin. They're like wow, you know, and I said,
1613
01:26:57.720 --> 01:27:00.880
does anybody have any questions? Everybody his hands shot up
1614
01:27:00.920 --> 01:27:03.920
and there was on the front whose hands a little cuicker?
1615
01:27:03.960 --> 01:27:07.319
And I said the fastest, I said, no, what's your question?
1616
01:27:07.640 --> 01:27:11.399
Here it comes, she goes, Chris, did you sleep that night?
1617
01:27:13.359 --> 01:27:13.960
Good question?
1618
01:27:16.880 --> 01:27:21.640
What No? I did not, of course, but I paused,
1619
01:27:21.680 --> 01:27:23.800
and I was like, I mean I would have been
1620
01:27:23.800 --> 01:27:25.840
ready if they said, well, what's the significance of the
1621
01:27:25.840 --> 01:27:28.960
Shake Harbor incident. Did you ever checked the noray file
1622
01:27:29.039 --> 01:27:31.439
for it? You know? She just says, Chris, did you
1623
01:27:31.439 --> 01:27:36.520
sleep that night concerned? Right? No, I said I, And
1624
01:27:36.600 --> 01:27:38.800
I stumbled for an answer, and I said, no, one's
1625
01:27:38.800 --> 01:27:41.920
ever asked me that. But I realized as the other
1626
01:27:42.039 --> 01:27:44.279
questions came, they all were relating to the fact that
1627
01:27:44.359 --> 01:27:46.760
even at twelve, I'd called the commander of the base
1628
01:27:46.800 --> 01:27:49.600
and I was looking in and it hit it ignited
1629
01:27:49.680 --> 01:27:52.560
it in my mind, it had gone, It had jumped
1630
01:27:52.600 --> 01:27:56.399
off the page and stopped being academic. But to this day, again,
1631
01:27:56.560 --> 01:28:00.960
like the the elderly couple in Greensboro, North Carolina, I
1632
01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:03.279
can see this girl's face in my mind when you know,
1633
01:28:03.359 --> 01:28:05.279
she's in that desk and proud of me something. Christ
1634
01:28:05.680 --> 01:28:09.520
did you sleep that night? And they were being through
1635
01:28:09.560 --> 01:28:11.880
the eyes of a twelve year old? Maybe think of
1636
01:28:11.920 --> 01:28:15.560
your book too, that came out there not long after well, yeah,
1637
01:28:15.600 --> 01:28:20.880
somewhat after that in that schoolyard encounters, right, great book.
1638
01:28:21.399 --> 01:28:24.640
Great book. Yeah, no, because you know they don't have
1639
01:28:24.720 --> 01:28:28.279
all the preconceptions we do. Yes, the audience is contaminated,
1640
01:28:28.319 --> 01:28:31.119
and so are Grade nines. But you know what they're
1641
01:28:31.479 --> 01:28:37.039
more open, and they're more they're great observers exactly yea,
1642
01:28:37.359 --> 01:28:40.079
and they're open and because like I tell you, man,
1643
01:28:40.239 --> 01:28:42.159
these guys were slumped in the saint and they were
1644
01:28:42.159 --> 01:28:45.880
like ifpi's are late, But an hour later they they
1645
01:28:45.920 --> 01:28:49.760
they waved me up as now he's cool, it's legit, right,
1646
01:28:50.720 --> 01:28:54.159
But little did I expect to hone in on me
1647
01:28:54.399 --> 01:28:56.399
and take it to that personal level. And it's going
1648
01:28:56.560 --> 01:28:59.159
want to know that, and it just has always stayed
1649
01:28:59.199 --> 01:29:02.720
with me, and that's what makes it real. And it's
1650
01:29:02.800
--> 01:29:05.199
that kind of thing that I think made me stay
1651
01:29:05.239 --> 01:29:08.920
with It made me become that obsessed guy that you know,
1652
01:29:09.039 --> 01:29:11.079
I don't quit, I don't go away, you know, like
1653
01:29:11.760 --> 01:29:14.079
just tell me I can't. And that's where I begin.
1654
01:29:14.319 --> 01:29:18.359
You know, here is how close was that orb? Do
1655
01:29:18.399 --> 01:29:20.439
you that that that small ufo.
1656
01:29:20.600 --> 01:29:23.079
And it's closest I would have been.
1657
01:29:24.439 --> 01:29:27.399
Fifty p It knew you were there, It could hear you,
1658
01:29:28.720 --> 01:29:31.640
and absolutely you were there, and it knew that you
1659
01:29:31.680 --> 01:29:33.960
were terrified and it was not going to upset you
1660
01:29:34.039 --> 01:29:41.680
and it was going to let you have your way.
1661
01:29:38.920 --> 01:29:43.159
Unless it took you on board. And you don't remember, no, no, I.
1662
01:29:44.760 --> 01:29:48.800
Happened I knew you were there, It knew it saw you.
1663
01:29:48.920 --> 01:29:51.479
They don't miss a thing, and it can hear you
1664
01:29:51.560 --> 01:29:52.640
think they do.
1665
01:29:52.680 --> 01:29:55.880
They I've come to realize that whenever someone sees the
1666
01:29:55.960 --> 01:29:59.920
UFO in a few hundred feet, absolutely this is an
1667
01:30:00.039 --> 01:30:01.640
intentional type kind of event.
1668
01:30:02.199 --> 01:30:07.079
Yeah, proximity is a big factor, you know. Ulture proximity
1669
01:30:07.159 --> 01:30:10.199
is a big thing. You know, the culture are the
1670
01:30:10.319 --> 01:30:12.520
more control witness perception.
1671
01:30:13.279 --> 01:30:15.800
I want to talk a question from Heidi Hanson and
1672
01:30:15.880 --> 01:30:19.640
maybe expand on it a little bit. She's asking, Chris,
1673
01:30:19.640 --> 01:30:23.119
what is your most amazing experience with the UFO area
1674
01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:26.600
you have ever had? So I'm assuming your twelve year
1675
01:30:26.640 --> 01:30:28.760
old experience is pretty amazing, and of course the s
1676
01:30:29.479 --> 01:30:33.079
Chilborn incident are probably the most interesting you've investigated. But yeah,
1677
01:30:33.239 --> 01:30:36.279
it's the most interesting case you've ever investigated as well,
1678
01:30:36.560 --> 01:30:42.039
including you know that your own personal experience other than
1679
01:30:42.079 --> 01:30:43.079
Sarburn children.
1680
01:30:43.199 --> 01:30:45.640
Well, it would have to be that Cape Sable sighting
1681
01:30:45.720 --> 01:30:51.399
in twenty eighteen, right, because you know, I mean sixty
1682
01:30:51.439 --> 01:30:57.000
people daytime video, you know, like the crowds there, you know,
1683
01:30:57.600 --> 01:31:01.800
it was undeniable, you know what I mean, it was undeniable.
1684
01:31:01.920 --> 01:31:05.000
They were showing off for you guys. Absolutely, they knew
1685
01:31:05.000 --> 01:31:06.239
what they were doing for you guys.
1686
01:31:06.399 --> 01:31:07.920
You were being I.
1687
01:31:09.000 --> 01:31:10.640
Have a question, it's burning in my head and it
1688
01:31:10.760 --> 01:31:14.079
just popped in back. And did your father ever say
1689
01:31:14.159 --> 01:31:16.720
anything to you about check? You know, well.
1690
01:31:16.600 --> 01:31:20.319
We talked. He would talk openly about Shag Harbor, and
1691
01:31:20.399 --> 01:31:23.079
I would ask him about the Shelburne story, because even
1692
01:31:23.119 --> 01:31:25.840
though I didn't have it and couldn't say for sure,
1693
01:31:26.399 --> 01:31:29.399
he knew I was pursuing that, right, And did you
1694
01:31:29.439 --> 01:31:34.159
ever hear of No, I never heard that, you know, right, Yeah,
1695
01:31:34.239 --> 01:31:36.760
but we talked openly about Shag Harbor. Of course, he
1696
01:31:36.840 --> 01:31:40.000
knew the grand By Divers. You know, I remember some
1697
01:31:40.079 --> 01:31:42.760
of them, you know, coming to our house and you know,
1698
01:31:42.880 --> 01:31:45.560
playing crib and you know, you're a boy, you know,
1699
01:31:45.600 --> 01:31:48.279
sitting on the floor like trying to listen into a
1700
01:31:48.359 --> 01:31:52.439
dull conversation, you know, and they're drinking gin and you
1701
01:31:52.479 --> 01:31:55.000
know it comes back to me, right, you know, like
1702
01:31:55.079 --> 01:31:58.039
at the table talk and then you know, I mean
1703
01:31:58.159 --> 01:32:01.279
I actually remember them talking about Shag Harbor once I
1704
01:32:01.319 --> 01:32:04.199
had enough to drink one night, you know, not Shag Harbor,
1705
01:32:04.319 --> 01:32:07.760
but shelburn Or like dancing around it. I'd say, you know,
1706
01:32:07.800 --> 01:32:11.279
and you know, but even as a young boy. In fact,
1707
01:32:11.319 --> 01:32:14.439
you know what recently, for the sake of a TV
1708
01:32:14.560 --> 01:32:18.720
show I did there, I didn't have any pictures of
1709
01:32:18.760 --> 01:32:21.239
me that young and my cousin found a picture of
1710
01:32:21.279 --> 01:32:24.920
me five holding a boat my dad had just given
1711
01:32:24.960 --> 01:32:29.079
me coming back from the mission. And I know that
1712
01:32:29.199 --> 01:32:31.439
because the house I'm in we lived in a very
1713
01:32:31.479 --> 01:32:34.760
short time, and I looked at it and man talking
1714
01:32:34.760 --> 01:32:37.680
about a chill go up your spine, and it was
1715
01:32:37.760 --> 01:32:40.119
somewhere within days of that I would have been under
1716
01:32:40.119 --> 01:32:45.079
that table listening to that Shelburne conversation which never gave
1717
01:32:45.199 --> 01:32:47.199
up to me how many times I would visit him
1718
01:32:47.239 --> 01:32:49.840
in Ontario when he went back to his hometown of
1719
01:32:49.880 --> 01:32:52.399
Saint Thomas. You know, I would go up there, you know,
1720
01:32:52.439 --> 01:32:55.039
at Christmas or something, and you know, in eavily
h
1721
01:32:55.720 --> 01:32:58.000
do you ever see Leo? Do you ever see this
1722
01:32:58.159 --> 01:33:00.399
diver or that diver? Did you ever see you know
1723
01:33:00.479 --> 01:33:03.079
we talked about and I'd say, yeah, sure. He never
1724
01:33:03.199 --> 01:33:06.119
mentioned anything, no, and he never give up any of it.
1725
01:33:06.560 --> 01:33:08.680
And when I found the log book and he was
1726
01:33:08.760 --> 01:33:11.159
definitely there and on that mission.
1727
01:33:12.720 --> 01:33:15.520
I suppose that he was withholding information due to an
1728
01:33:15.680 --> 01:33:18.000
nda and could not tell you.
1729
01:33:18.399 --> 01:33:20.199
Well, I think it was duty. I mean I think
1730
01:33:20.239 --> 01:33:22.720
I cover it well in the dedication and the book
1731
01:33:22.760 --> 01:33:26.880
to all those Cold War servicemen that I thanked them
1732
01:33:27.000 --> 01:33:30.640
for those who gave me the information and those who
1733
01:33:31.560 --> 01:33:33.920
did their duty and took it to the grave. I said,
1734
01:33:34.039 --> 01:33:37.479
you know, I respect them both equally, because you know,
1735
01:33:37.560 --> 01:33:40.960
it was a time when duty was everything. I mean,
1736
01:33:40.960 --> 01:33:43.760
the world was a different place in sixty than sixty seven.
1737
01:33:44.960 --> 01:33:46.520
It's hard to believe now. It was a time when
1738
01:33:46.560 --> 01:33:52.039
everybody trusted the government, goure that that was think about it.
1739
01:33:52.079 --> 01:33:54.760
That was gone by sixty seven. But in nineteen sixty
1740
01:33:54.800 --> 01:33:58.199
it was a different world. And these guys, you know,
1741
01:33:58.720 --> 01:34:02.840
they were often to confront the unknown will, not being
1742
01:34:02.880 --> 01:34:07.239
allowed to acknowledge it exactly. And I say that the dication,
1743
01:34:07.359 --> 01:34:10.319
I think that's powerful. You know it's powerful. And you
1744
01:34:10.359 --> 01:34:13.319
know when you guys come up, it's going to be
1745
01:34:13.319 --> 01:34:16.000
great because you know we're going to go to these places.
1746
01:34:16.000 --> 01:34:18.600
You're going to go where you're going to be within
1747
01:34:18.800 --> 01:34:20.880
like a couple hundred yards of where you are.
1748
01:34:22.720 --> 01:34:23.359
So ready for this.
1749
01:34:23.439 --> 01:34:25.520
Yeah, we're going to take you to the buildings are
1750
01:34:25.520 --> 01:34:29.520
getting derel now with the old base. Yeah, and we're
1751
01:34:29.600 --> 01:34:31.960
by the gatehouse. We can see out to them. Got on,
1752
01:34:32.239 --> 01:34:34.640
I can show you're right with that plotilla and ships
1753
01:34:36.199 --> 01:34:37.920
and where those are on the bottom. We're going to
1754
01:34:37.960 --> 01:34:40.159
go to all those places when you're up right, you know.
1755
01:34:40.439 --> 01:34:44.479
Yes, let's talk a little bit about the conference, because absolutely, yeah,
1756
01:34:44.520 --> 01:34:48.520
it's October third, yeah, four fifth.
1757
01:34:48.359 --> 01:34:52.079
Which is the anniversary of the Shag Harbor crash, control
1758
01:34:52.159 --> 01:34:55.920
ditch whatever. Anyone that center said wants to know about it.
1759
01:34:55.960 --> 01:34:59.920
We got a great lineup. But you know, October the
1760
01:35:00.079 --> 01:35:02.760
third for us, in fifth, I mean, the thing is
1761
01:35:02.800 --> 01:35:06.079
that the the the fourth, the anniversary date is the
1762
01:35:06.119 --> 01:35:09.720
date when most presentations yours will be given mine whatever,
1763
01:35:09.920 --> 01:35:12.479
you know, when the blah blah blah. But the next
1764
01:35:12.520 --> 01:35:14.720
day of the Sunday, we put everyone on a bus
1765
01:35:15.239 --> 01:35:17.600
and we take them to these places. We can't take
1766
01:35:17.600 --> 01:35:19.560
you back in time, but we take you right there.
1767
01:35:20.119 --> 01:35:23.039
And unlike unlike other places, like you don't have three
1768
01:35:23.079 --> 01:35:26.279
places competing for it happened here. We know where it happened,
1769
01:35:27.359 --> 01:35:29.079
you know, and you're going to meet some of the
1770
01:35:29.079 --> 01:35:32.439
people who were actually there, you know, the actual witnesses,
1771
01:35:33.039 --> 01:35:37.479
you know, Lori, Norm Smith, whatever, right, and you're going
1772
01:35:37.520 --> 01:35:40.680
to meet some experiencers there like Heather you sat, who
1773
01:35:40.760 --> 01:35:43.359
I'm writing a book about now hopefully if I can
1774
01:35:43.359 --> 01:35:47.119
find the time. I'm really excited about it. Does all
1775
01:35:47.159 --> 01:35:50.000
these things happen there in this very compressed little area,
1776
01:35:50.520 --> 01:35:52.800
and you know, it's just the thing. But you know,
1777
01:35:52.800 --> 01:35:56.720
if you go to Shag Harbor UFO expo dot com,
1778
01:35:57.159 --> 01:35:59.840
that's im utiful, isn't it. Sh Yeah, one word over face,
1779
01:36:00.079 --> 01:36:04.039
Jack harberufoexpo dot com. There's a website. It's all set
1780
01:36:04.119 --> 01:36:06.920
up there. It tells you who the speakers are, you
1781
01:36:07.000 --> 01:36:09.239
know what the event is, and you know what for
1782
01:36:09.520 --> 01:36:14.600
us people, we're you know, the price of the conference
1783
01:36:14.720 --> 01:36:17.560
is typical. But you know what, when you come here,
1784
01:36:18.359 --> 01:36:21.960
get this. We got a really good quality hotel in
1785
01:36:22.079 --> 01:36:24.319
the town of Yarmouth with a great conference center in
1786
01:36:24.399 --> 01:36:29.479
it and in American money what I call real money there,
1787
01:36:30.079 --> 01:36:33.039
I mean right now at the exchange rate, it's about
1788
01:36:33.119 --> 01:36:36.039
seventy twelve dollars a night per double rooms the two
1789
01:36:36.119 --> 01:36:38.880
queen beds. The hell of a deal, you know. And
1790
01:36:39.039
--> 01:36:40.880
you know what, people if they're in New England, they
1791
01:36:40.920 --> 01:36:47.079
can drive up leaving the harbor. Make the matter the conference.
1792
01:36:47.159 --> 01:36:50.279
It's just a couple of hundred yards literally walk to it.
1793
01:36:50.800 --> 01:36:53.239
So there's those options anybody that want to look. Now
1794
01:36:53.319 --> 01:36:56.239
there's a shameless plug, but there it is. But you know,
1795
01:36:57.079 --> 01:36:59.119
you know, I mean they could get to meet you,
1796
01:36:59.359 --> 01:37:02.119
you know, or is Martin Willis. You know, we got
1797
01:37:02.479 --> 01:37:07.439
Kevin Randall's the keynote speaker there. Of course there's me, Dolly,
1798
01:37:08.079 --> 01:37:11.279
you know, we're we're all looking forward to the whole thing.
1799
01:37:11.439 --> 01:37:13.560
The one that's going to do the present, the film
1800
01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:14.319
what's his.
1801
01:37:14.399 --> 01:37:20.159
Name where I was talking to Darcy the other day,
1802
01:37:20.279 --> 01:37:21.800
gave me a call and Shoe he was on the
1803
01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:24.640
way to conference in San Francisco, gave me a phone call.
1804
01:37:24.800 --> 01:37:27.159
We were chatting away about a few things, him and
1805
01:37:27.239 --> 01:37:32.119
I and we got Mark D'Antonio going, you know, we've
1806
01:37:32.119 --> 01:37:34.239
got a little bit of everything. It's a really good mix.
1807
01:37:34.359 --> 01:37:36.399
That's what I like about it, you know. So yeah,
1808
01:37:37.000 --> 01:37:40.279
and but yeah, shag Harvard doesn't change. But every year
1809
01:37:40.319 --> 01:37:43.279
I have something new to introduce that you know, isn't
1810
01:37:43.319 --> 01:37:45.840
in a book or hasn't been in the most regent documentary.
1811
01:37:45.840 --> 01:37:49.159
And I'm saving something there too. Just one more reason
1812
01:37:49.279 --> 01:37:54.399
to come. But yeah, that's it. I mean so un
1813
01:37:54.520 --> 01:37:56.520
to meet you because you know, because both of you
1814
01:37:56.640 --> 01:37:58.600
were supposed to be up before.
1815
01:37:58.920 --> 01:38:01.119
Now castrophe happened.
1816
01:38:01.199 --> 01:38:03.319
Now I know, well that's right. And like I say,
1817
01:38:03.399 --> 01:38:05.399
we have had a great tradition in the past because
1818
01:38:05.439 --> 01:38:09.079
it's happened with other presenters will whenever possible, we give
1819
01:38:09.119 --> 01:38:11.199
them a spot the next year if they're willing in that,
1820
01:38:11.439 --> 01:38:14.840
you know, like you know, because people when we asked them,
1821
01:38:14.880 --> 01:38:16.760
we have meetings and you know, who do you want?
1822
01:38:17.359 --> 01:38:19.199
You know, when your names come up, you know, you
1823
01:38:19.279 --> 01:38:21.039
know we could get this cat out. What do you think, Chris?
1824
01:38:21.079 --> 01:38:23.119
Do you know then well yes or right not yet
1825
01:38:23.279 --> 01:38:26.600
or but you know, inevitently they come and it's great.
1826
01:38:26.720 --> 01:38:29.640
You know, you want to hear something funny. When I
1827
01:38:29.920 --> 01:38:32.479
when I put took the plane tickets off, you know,
1828
01:38:32.720 --> 01:38:35.640
I canceled the flights. The money gets held and I
1829
01:38:35.880 --> 01:38:38.399
left it there because some told me just leave it there,
1830
01:38:38.439 --> 01:38:42.079
don't touch it, something like that. And when y'all called,
1831
01:38:42.119 --> 01:38:43.159
I was like, whoop, there it is.
1832
01:38:43.439 --> 01:38:45.640
We're good. Yeah, And it was a no brainer. When
1833
01:38:45.760 --> 01:38:48.680
Preston called and said, you know, like you know, instead
1834
01:38:48.680 --> 01:38:50.880
of you just coming that you could be a presenter too,
1835
01:38:50.920 --> 01:38:54.079
and I'm thinking, hey, that works, you know, but you know,
1836
01:38:54.520 --> 01:38:57.000
we get people wanted to comment. We're already booking people
1837
01:38:57.079 --> 01:38:57.800
for the next year.
1838
01:38:57.880 --> 01:38:58.000
Now.
1839
01:38:58.119 --> 01:39:01.800
We don't open up the website, you know, to avoid confusion.
1840
01:39:01.960 --> 01:39:05.439
But yeah, you know, it's it's an unusual thing. You know,
1841
01:39:05.640 --> 01:39:07.760
it's not a big eventage sort of thing, but it's
1842
01:39:07.880 --> 01:39:09.800
unique in the fishing village. So, like I say, we
1843
01:39:09.880 --> 01:39:12.319
don't take you back at time, but everything short, you
1844
01:39:12.359 --> 01:39:15.319
can meet the eyewitnesses, the so called experts. I hate
1845
01:39:15.359 --> 01:39:20.600
the term. Well, you know, like Stanton used to say,
1846
01:39:20.600 --> 01:39:22.880
there aren't any experts. You know, what's an expert used
1847
01:39:22.880 --> 01:39:24.760
to say a man from a city you don't live
1848
01:39:24.800 --> 01:39:25.439
in a suit?
1849
01:39:27.600 --> 01:39:29.640
Yeah, you know, it kind of makes me laugh when
1850
01:39:29.680 --> 01:39:32.000
I see these UFO experts on TV. I'm like, I
1851
01:39:32.079 --> 01:39:34.840
wonder how many people they've talked to have actually been
1852
01:39:34.920 --> 01:39:35.840
on board of UFO.
1853
01:39:38.359 --> 01:39:41.439
There's that, you know, and like, you know, how many
1854
01:39:41.520 --> 01:39:46.239
of them ever even got over the armchair? They can't
1855
01:39:46.319 --> 01:39:49.960
google it up, right, because you know, you always find surprises.
1856
01:39:49.960 --> 01:39:52.439
I've talked about the surprises like when you speak to
1857
01:39:52.560 --> 01:39:56.000
grade nine, or my first US conference I attended as
1858
01:39:56.000 --> 01:39:58.800
a presenter. Right, but let me tell you about one
1859
01:39:58.800 --> 01:40:01.880
of the first times I researched something in the Shay
1860
01:40:02.000 --> 01:40:06.800
Harbor area nearby on Cape Sable Island, which
this is
1861
01:40:06.880 --> 01:40:09.640
long before I had the siding there that I spoke of.
1862
01:40:10.279 --> 01:40:13.359
But I mean, we were looking into orb sightings and
1863
01:40:13.680 --> 01:40:16.039
I decided to do a door to door survey and
1864
01:40:16.159 --> 01:40:18.520
keep a record, right, and a knock on doors. And
1865
01:40:18.680 --> 01:40:21.600
here's the thing. Somebody came to the door, a woman
1866
01:40:21.720 --> 01:40:23.600
with a baby in her arm, holding yes, can I
1867
01:40:23.680 --> 01:40:26.399
help you? Say, don't worry, I'm not a salesman. I'm
1868
01:40:26.479 --> 01:40:28.680
coming here wondering. I said, I'd like to talk to
1869
01:40:28.720 --> 01:40:31.560
you about whether you've ever had, you know, a UFO
1870
01:40:31.640 --> 01:40:33.960
experience or a sighting here, you know there's a history
1871
01:40:34.039 --> 01:40:36.920
here or whatever. And she goes, oh my god, boy,
1872
01:40:37.000 --> 01:40:39.199
I'm sick and tired of hearing about the UFOs like
1873
01:40:39.279 --> 01:40:41.439
that sort of thing. Listen, all I know is what
1874
01:40:41.600 --> 01:40:43.359
my mother tells me is when you see the orange
1875
01:40:43.399 --> 01:40:48.840
balls down of the beach, don't go near them. Good day,
1876
01:40:48.920 --> 01:40:50.079
Good luck with that bang.
1877
01:40:51.239 --> 01:40:52.600
But you get the drift.
1878
01:40:53.000 --> 01:40:55.279
It was just they were so used to it. It
1879
01:40:55.399 --> 01:40:57.760
was just a way of life, you know, so place
1880
01:40:58.640 --> 01:41:02.239
and it wasn't thought as a as an extraordinary, right, Yeah.
1881
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The west coast of Florida has that issue. July fourth,
1882
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twenty fourteen, I just happened to be out on the
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beach with my cousin and we were taking a break
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from the zoo, and it was after the fourth, It's
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like one o'clock in the morning. We were running out
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and down the cast looking for crabs with flashlights and nets.
1887
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That was a family thing we did. And all of
1888
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a sudden I saw him incoming. We were in Saint
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Petersburg and it was south of us, up the coast
1890
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towards Sarasota, and just like Scheg Harbor, they came in
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in force, and it was the big orange orbs. Okay,
1892
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they it was the main group coming in and they
1893
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came to the short and they did the nose dive
1894
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and then they and then after about fifteen twenty minutes,
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they popped back up and they went straight back up,
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and he did it five more times. Now I'm watching
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the whole thing and I'm thinking, oh my god, because
1898
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I don't know who they are, Okay, And I put
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it out there, and you know, I sent a message
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out mentally. You know, dude, I'm sitting on the beach.
1901
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I know, I'm I'm you know, hello, and one broke
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01:41:59.840 --> 01:42:02.119
off and it zoomed up the beach over my head.
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I did not realize my cousin was not okay during this,
1904
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and it just mentally said, we're busy to a lot.
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He knows who we are. I'll go okay, and he
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took off and they went back out. I turned and
1907
01:42:15.479 --> 01:42:17.479
looked at my cousin and she's looking up like this,
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but she's like, nothing going on, you know, And I'm like,
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oh my god. And when she finally came to we
1910
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went back to the hotel. We were in this big
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round hotel at a restaurant that circled at the top
1912
01:42:31.720 --> 01:42:33.640
of I can't remember the name of it now. Anyway,
1913
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we went back to go to bed and she woke
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up about an hour after we went in there and
1915
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she said we have to leave. We have to leave
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right now. And I'm looking at what's wrong with you?
1917
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We need to sleep. I'm tired. She said, no, pack
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01:42:45.079 --> 01:42:47.359
and I'm like, oh my god. So we packed and
1919
01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:49.640
she drove all the way back to the zoolge. She
1920
01:42:49.720 --> 01:42:52.279
was under a trance. She walked in the door. She
1921
01:42:52.359 --> 01:42:54.920
went to her room, she shut the door and plopped
1922
01:42:55.079 --> 01:42:58.560
and didn't remember any of it the next day, and
1923
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I'm like, wow, yeah, and it blew me away. And
1924
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then to Lot is like telling me, that's my contact,
1925
01:43:08.000 --> 01:43:09.439
and he's saying, oh, yeah, it goes on all the
1926
01:43:09.479 --> 01:43:11.079
time over there. People a lot of people see it,
1927
01:43:11.119 --> 01:43:14.000
but they wipe it that the government won't let y'all
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know the truth.
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Pete Florida. Yeah on the West.
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Yeah, all right, you guys were out of time, but
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oh my goodness, pop up your books again. Give everyone
1932
01:43:25.960 --> 01:43:29.600
a chance to check these out. Impact to Contact The
1933
01:43:29.720 --> 01:43:33.560
Shag Harbor Incident Chris Styles and Graham Sims, the world's
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01:43:33.720 --> 01:43:40.399
only officially documented UFO crash. So amazing, Chris, the research
1935
01:43:40.479 --> 01:43:43.720
you've done on this incident. Yeah, I think I consider
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01:43:43.800 --> 01:43:47.600
this probably one of the best documented UFO cases in
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the world. I mean, it's right up there with Roswell
1938
01:43:50.199 --> 01:43:52.960
and a few other incidents, but not a lot like
1939
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this one. Amazing, So thanks very much for sharing that
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with us. There's a previous a book on this, but
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I would check out this one. It's more comprehensive.
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That was early days. We know so much more A
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01:44:08.439 --> 01:44:11.560
boy this thing and yeah, by this point and Research.
1944
01:44:12.199 --> 01:44:17.079
Also check out Sweep, Clear, Fivens, Ufo, and Connor, with
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a forward by Martin Will. Yeah, no one I'm really
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01:44:22.039 --> 01:44:22.640
intrigued by.
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I'll give you a copy when you're out there. You
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01:44:28.880 --> 01:44:30.800
don't have to give money. You don't have to give
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your money to Amazon.
1950
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Yeah, well you get a dollar or ture or whatever
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it is. Every time it looksselves.
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Oh yeah, well, I mean Amazon's better, you know, like
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I must admit there. You know, it goes through rashes.
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You know, they rerun a couple of the TV things
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you did, and boys the sales search for a while,
1956
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and then you hit a couple of days with nothing
1957
01:44:56.479 --> 01:44:58.239
moves and you're like, oh my god, and there, oh
1958
01:44:58.359 --> 01:45:01.960
it's back again. You know, you can drive yourself crazy
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01:45:02.079 --> 01:45:02.279
with that.
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Yeah, anything else you want to tell our listeners about
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where they can reach you, or any upcoming books or
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projects or anything you want to share it before we
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have to say goodbye.
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Well, remember I said that they shot film a bit, yes,
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knowing how long it took to break to in Shelbourne.
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I'm not going to give you a timeline on this,
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but I'm liking the hope it's sooner than later. I
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like to hope it's maybe later this year, and maybe
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I have something to say
about it at the conference.
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But I'm putting together a plan to try to get
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that film released.
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Nice.
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It's a long shot, but it's not impossible. I've got
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01:45:44.239 --> 01:45:46.800
a bit of a strategy here, you know. And you
1975
01:45:46.880 --> 01:45:50.079
know what, I've had luck at long shots. I always
1976
01:45:50.119 --> 01:45:53.239
tell people persistence, pace off and take your hands out
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01:45:53.239 --> 01:45:55.119
of your pockets and look up. You'd never know. Too
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01:45:55.159 --> 01:45:56.960
many of people walk around looking at the ground.
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Would it help if everybody over here with us would
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send you a message saying please have this happen. You
1981
01:46:02.039 --> 01:46:04.279
can show them how many people send messages for it,
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see what they say, you know.
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Anyway, Look, it's been a pleasure to do it. I
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love it. This is a real you guys, get a
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real party going here. I love the format. I love
1986
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how you show the people with the questions there at
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01:46:16.159 --> 01:46:19.920
least they're they're what they call that icon, not icons.
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But interactive.
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Yeah, enough people do that, you know, you feel that
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connection and I like it right, you know, I don't
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know some of those people, you know. Before we even
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01:46:30.640 --> 01:46:33.119
got to talk to me, I'm in the green room.
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We're saying you know why to me, and it's such
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a nice It just makes it a two way thing,
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01:46:38.239 --> 01:46:40.039
which is just it is very much so.
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Well, thanks very much.
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It was awesome.
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We definitely will have to have you back on again
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if you're.
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Open to we can talk about other things. I do
2001
01:46:49.399 --> 01:46:50.479
like that's a long time.
2002
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We should like work that out.
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01:46:53.279 --> 01:46:55.680
There's other cases that didn't word the whole book, but
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it'll happen down the road sometimes. And I can't wait
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to meet you guys personally where you know you're on
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my screen there for we're gonna down there all right.
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Limit, So we really do have to wrap this up now.
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But thank you, Chris, thank you everyone, Thank you everyone
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for joining us on episode one o two of The Lightgate.
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Our guest has been Chris Styles. Hope you can join
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us at the Shag Harbor Conference in Nova Scotia in
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October third through fifth. All right, dolly or wait, wait
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one more thing. Let me just say quick thank you
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to all the wonderful people who generated so much and generously.
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Yes, you.
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Guys are amazing about love you very much. Leonard Dove amazing,
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Jamie Mashburn, Bridget Bambrick looks like Duchess wants to say
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Hi Carol, Hi Chan, thank you so much. You guys
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are amazing. All right, Dolly take us out, all right.
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Thank you everybody for joining us for this edition of
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the Light Date. Please have a wonderful week, Stay safe,
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keep working on opening up and using your abilities. We
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