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Welcome back to the Lars, Larson Show.
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It is a fact that Meta, the company we used to call Facebook, spent twenty-six million bucks lobbying in Washington, D.C.
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They did that last year, and they got zero new laws passed that restricted them in any way.
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Is the courtroom the only place left to hold big tech accountable?
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That question is posed by my friend Steet Motley, who's president of the group Less Government.
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Hey Steeton, welcome back.
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Thank you very much, sir.
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How are you?
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I'm doing very well, but I I think the tech companies are a real puzzle because I'm not quite sure what we have to do.
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I've had people say, but if you build the addiction into the software that is written by these social media companies, and I agree, it's built into it.
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The same way, to some extent, that addiction is built into cigarettes with nicotine, it's built into alcohol with alcohol.
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Maybe you could even argue it's built into food and a bunch of other things.
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Nicotine and alcohol are physical addictions.
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Yes.
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Social media is a mental addiction, and that's true.
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Far more egregious and far more damaging.
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And you know, and and so that's the first um domino to fall in that argument.
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Well, it's not about falling, it's how do we go about controlling this stuff?
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People clearly want social media.
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The companies want you to use the city.
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Do they want it or do they or is there are they tapping into the brain forcing them to use it?
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I guess nobody forces me to use it, and there are times I just completely set the phone down or set the pad down, and I don't I don't have anything to do with it.
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Well, there's yeah, obviously there's varying levels of you know mental receptiveness to this.
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Yes.
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Um no, I I just what I what I looked at, I was talking to a buddy of mine who's one of the few guys who was a you know, he and I were banging on big tech like in 2009, and everybody else was looking at us like, what are you talking about?
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Um his name's Scott Cleland.
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You've probably talked to him before.
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I believe we were you don't.
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Oh, he wrote a book called No, I believe we have to do it.
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Yeah, yeah,
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He he wrote a book called Search and Destroy about Google over a decade ago.
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And um we were emailing back forth.
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I said, because we had these couple of court cases last week where some parents uh won some cases against Meta and somebody else uh for uh their children, you know, selling adult stuff to children or or exposing adult stuff to children.
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Yeah.
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And I and it just I we were texting and I thought, why don't you and I sue?
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Because we obviously we're we're getting somewhere in court, we're getting nowhere in DC.
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Why don't we sue to break up the lobby monopoly?
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And that's obviously a totally novel concept.
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I have no idea.
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I'm not a lawyer, no idea if there's any legal, you know, justification for that thought.
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But you know, you the only place you're seeing any advancement, uh, you know, any any attempt to restrict uh big tech in any way is in the courts.
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And so, you know, they obviously have some sort of monopoly, you could argue, in DC, because nobody on the other side, if if they're represented, it's on an infinitesimal level when in comparison to the big tech company.
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Yeah, because if you think about it for a second, Seaton, if you say these people want to do it because it makes them money, and if other people said, let's go in and argue for some restrictions on these people because it's bad for our families, it's bad for children, and all that, there's not as much money attached to it, which means it's going to be tough to get the money to go and lobby, you know, counter what Meta is doing.
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Right.
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My joke for decades now has been unfortunately there's no lobby for the American people.
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Unfortunately, you're right.
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And and um this is one of those instances or one of those facets of that.
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But how do you break up the big lobbying monopoly?
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And I agree with you, it is a monopoly, but how do you do it in a country with a First Amendment?
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Whether we like it or not, if you walk into court and say, I want you to make a law that says Seaton Motley cannot go or his company can't go to Capitol Hill and go to various members of Congress, even if you assume you're not handing them campaign cash and things like that, you can't go there and tell them, you know, I'm I'm advocating on behalf of these folks for this or not.
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I think I think you know, the the there was the the the the um citizens united ruling which said corporations are people.
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And I'm I'm starting to really doubt that that was the proper ruling.
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If Mark Zuckerberg wants to do it, uh if Mark Zuckerberg wants to go and lobby, but to have corporations lobby as if they're people and have people's rights, these are individual human rights, these are not corporate rights that are are codified in the constitution.
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And how do you how do you go about Satan if if I Well the real look, the real solution look you and I have talked about this before.
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You're right.
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There are First Amendment questions.
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The real solution is the government needs to be 90% smaller than it is.
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I agree.
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Because totally because the gut the government's either a weapon or a you know, a sword or a shield for giant corporations, right?
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Yes and the small corporations can't hire the government to do either one for them.
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And and so the if the government, I always say we have a Mike Tyson government, we need a president of the chess club government.
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No one's gonna pay protection money to the president of the chess club.
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No, but we've got a Mike Tyson government, which is a huge monstrous weapon or a she, you know, or a defense mechanism.
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And of course, the biggest you know, it's it's a bidding war, and the biggest companies buy access to the weapon in their sectors.
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And that's what that's where we're at now.
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So the the real solution is to reduce the size of government, but we seem utterly incapable of doing that.
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Yeah, we do because I mean there are so many people on the right and the left who love the government to regulate things.
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And I would like to get the government out of those things altogether.
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Except the minute you say deregulation, you get everybody all wound up saying, no, no, we have to regulate everything in existence.
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And then once you do, the people who can afford to go back and argue, make the regulation this way because it'll benefit me, they they end up winning.
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Well, the the problem is like Section 230 is incredibly responsible for how big these big tech companies are.
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Then take it away.
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Well, that's what I'm saying.
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But what but here's the problem now.
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You know, I I said uh, you know, with an open border for half a century, it's gonna take a little more government to get to a lot less government, right?
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Because you're gonna have to have ice go around and clean out the messes that were created by by by this policy.
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These I couldn't agree with you more.
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And Cat Motley, I've got to run, but that's Cat Motley, the president of less government, and there is a First Amendment issue in there, and whether you like it or not, it's in the Constitution.
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