رونوشت کامل Repair & Return

podcast I listen to, or magazine article, or even there was an article in the AAA magazine is about spots to go to heal. 00:02:46.091 --> 00:02:46.569 Mm-hmm. 00:02:46.610 --> 00:02:46.650 . 00:02:46.651 --> 00:02:52.889 So it's just, it just becomes the sense of a mashup, you know, the idea of everyone's, oh, how are you healing today? 00:02:53.110 --> 00:02:55.129 You know, what are you doing for your healing path? 00:02:55.330 --> 00:02:55.330 And 00:02:55.610 --> 00:02:56.090 Feels trendy. 00:02:56.199 --> 00:02:56.810 Trendy. 00:02:56.811 --> 00:02:57.169 Yeah. 00:02:57.169 --> 00:02:57.650 Thank you. 00:02:58.370 --> 00:03:04.719 Um, without a lot of sustenance, it, it becomes more of a, a topic mm-hmm. 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:06.199 as opposed to a practice. 00:03:06.200 --> 00:03:30.719 And so I was, um, involved in a group, um, with Sophie Strand, who is just an amazing young woman, uh, who is bringing to the forefront, um, animistic properties and, and philosophies that non-human entities, non-human life, uh, is, is part of our biome, and that we are all interrelated. 00:03:30.721 --> 00:03:44.599 And, and while these concepts are, are part of our mainstream, she's doing a very specific job in allowing this conversation, um, to be named in different ways and in ways that are topical. 00:03:44.659 --> 00:03:46.360 And I applaud her for that. 00:03:46.360 --> 00:04:00.360 And, uh, the idea that I, the, one of the takeaway ideas that I left from the, the program, um, was dealing with, uh, we, we were looking at mycelium and the interconnectedness of mycelium mm-hmm. 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:15.919 And, and how all, you know, under the ground, there's this frequency, this network of communication that, that moves and surfaces and that how we as humans are also all part of our above ground interconnected communication. 00:04:15.920 --> 00:04:16.360 Mm-hmm. 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:23.079 , and I woke up with the notion of, I downloaded this idea instead of saying myself mm-hmm. 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:26.399 as, as spelled by S E L f mm-hmm. 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:27.000 , myself mm-hmm. 00:04:27.079 --> 00:04:27.319 mm-hmm. 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:33.879 that, um, on a molecular level, uh, we are, you know, we are healing ourselves. 00:04:33.880 --> 00:04:46.759 We are repairing ourselves, we are moving forward with unconsciously of ourselves dividing and, and re you know, redoing our, like we have new hair, we have new eyes, we have, you know, new skin. 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:46.959 Mm-hmm. 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:52.399 , we're constantly repairing and regenerating, oh, there's your, there's your turnaround. 00:04:52.401 --> 00:04:52.879 Yeah. 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:55.040 Sos it's a sense of regeneration mm-hmm. 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:55.120 . 00:04:55.120 --> 00:05:02.399 And without being conscious of it, now we can make it, you know, we can make it conscious mm-hmm. 00:05:02.439 --> 00:05:15.319 , But I was working with the notion of instead of myself, S E l F, that we function and just give some space to the idea of myself, C E L F. 00:05:15.350 --> 00:05:15.959 Love it. 00:05:16.420 --> 00:05:18.040 And what do cells do? 00:05:18.110 --> 00:05:18.600 Yeah. 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:20.240 They repair mm-hmm. 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:20.639 . 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:20.800 Mm-hmm. 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:21.519 , they regenerate. 00:05:22.060 --> 00:05:43.959 And when I brought it to, uh, my clients, the idea of if I gave you a year off of healing, of working your practice of healing, and I'm gonna ask you to be conscious of repairing, maybe repairing a sense of emotional, uh, ha habits or, or compensations mm-hmm. 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:59.160 , if I was to ask you to repair your relationship with your daughter or your repair, the, the monkey chatter in your brain about self negative talk, if I was to ask you to be more cellular mm-hmm. 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:08.838 and be aware of how your body is supporting and is a container for these emotional, psychological, and spiritual work mm-hmm. 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:13.360 , and that we align ourselves more with the cellular function mm-hmm. 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:18.480 and communicate with ourselves this way, how would that feel? 00:06:18.588 --> 00:06:19.199 Mm-hmm. 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:23.399 , everyone said that they had a sense of burden released. 00:06:23.401 --> 00:06:23.838 Yeah. 00:06:23.910 --> 00:06:40.160 That the practice of healing also came with the sense of, um, judgment that they, they didn't do something right, or that they stayed away from their diet or they didn't do their, their meditation or their yoga or their exercise mm-hmm. 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:40.240 . 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:48.720 And that it was, um, kinda a double-edged sword that they were, um, one step forward, two steps back type of thing. 00:06:48.721 --> 00:06:48.959 Mm-hmm. 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:49.319 mm-hmm. 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:49.399 . 00:06:49.459 --> 00:07:04.199 And with the notion of repair as opposed to the whole premise of I'm working my practice to heal, um, it was lighter, more doable, um, smaller chunks. 00:07:04.201 --> 00:07:04.800 Mm-hmm. 00:07:04.838 --> 00:07:16.160 , uh, they could track their progress, that any activity that they participated in to assist in their body repairing mm-hmm. 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:16.600 mm-hmm. 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:22.399 , um, gave them great spirit, they felt in compliance with themselves mm-hmm. 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:26.519 and there was a, a larger sense of satisfaction mm-hmm. 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:26.600 . 00:07:26.649 --> 00:07:30.560 So while the notion of, so that's twofold. 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:39.079 One is, I, I get kind of irritated by just having something very sacred, um, becoming a trend. 00:07:39.949 --> 00:07:40.560 I hear you. 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:40.959 Yeah. 00:07:40.961 --> 00:07:43.879 I I didn't get that you throughout the whole word. 00:07:43.880 -->

00:07:48.360 It was just the way it was being modified, it wasn't integral enough. 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:50.759 It didn't include the, all the moving parts. 00:07:50.761 --> 00:07:54.879 It was hyper fixated and focused and maybe even doing people harm. 00:07:54.880 --> 00:07:55.199 Yeah. 00:07:55.709 --> 00:07:56.199 Yeah. 00:07:56.199 --> 00:08:11.970 Like if everybody says, I have a wound of trauma and I have to avoid, and I'm limiting, you know, this is, I see that as a very negative trend, and I've watched it in my own practice where people will say, so-and-so's narcissistic, that's also trending. 00:08:11.971 --> 00:08:13.089 Everybody's narcissistic. 00:08:13.209 --> 00:08:13.209 Yeah. 00:08:13.211 --> 00:08:13.689 That's a word. 00:08:13.690 --> 00:08:17.209 And I'm not saying that this doesn't exist, um, but to a certain extent, we all are. 00:08:17.589 --> 00:08:30.170 And my wound, my woundology, my study of my wound is leading me into deep, dark de depths of depression and despair and all the D words. 00:08:30.449 --> 00:08:30.449 Yes. 00:08:30.451 --> 00:08:43.850 And so, as a trauma specialist, I find that I join you in that because when I was trained in emdr, for instance, eye movement, desensitization and reprocessing, they've talked a lot about resources. 00:08:43.850 --> 00:08:44.330 Mm-hmm. 00:08:44.409 --> 00:08:46.529 , you can't do trauma work. 00:08:46.629 --> 00:08:58.639 You can't do the bilateral stimulation of a person's eyes or their, their body in order to help them process through like, let's say rape or the, you know, the murder or some horrible thing mm-hmm. 00:08:58.678 --> 00:09:02.519 , um, without he helping them access their strengths. 00:09:02.520 --> 00:09:02.879 Yeah. 00:09:03.049 --> 00:09:08.159 So you always begin with what do you already know? 00:09:09.029 --> 00:09:10.799 What already helps you? 00:09:11.220 --> 00:09:12.639 Can you visualize it? 00:09:12.789 --> 00:09:18.720 Like the, the, the work that, like you were talking about the cell, like we're, we're, we're not even like it's pre-conscious. 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:18.919 Mm-hmm. 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:19.720 , I'm talking to you right now. 00:09:19.721 --> 00:09:25.759 I'm digesting my food, my blood is circulating, lymphatic cells are eating up stuff that I don't want in my blood. 00:09:26.090 --> 00:09:28.519 So I'm, I'm in semi-permeable self. 00:09:29.308 --> 00:09:30.120 C E L F 00:09:30.149 --> 00:09:30.799 C E L F. 00:09:30.801 --> 00:09:31.080 Yeah. 00:09:31.081 --> 00:09:33.200 And in the same way mentally. 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:33.799 Yeah. 00:09:33.801 --> 00:09:53.440 When I'm having thoughts, if I'm in a trauma lock, uh, one of my, one of my, uh, awarenesses is when someone's in a trauma lock, we get them to move their eyes around brain spotting, getting them to move their eyes to a place where they're not locked and they can access their breath, they can access what heals them. 00:09:53.500 --> 00:09:56.759 The idea that we cannot access What's that? 00:09:56.760 --> 00:10:03.120 It's not inside, which is something you brought up last semester in our SOPA sessions that within us mm-hmm. 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:05.159 is a universe of knowledge. 00:10:06.019 --> 00:10:11.919 And if we as healers don't access, we say, I hold this magic ticket to you and it'll cost you all this money. 00:10:11.921 --> 00:10:14.678 And then when I tell you you're well, you can go, that's sick. 00:10:15.649 --> 00:10:28.080 My job as a healer is to access your inner resources, the things you know, and bring, make them conscious to you so that when we do the memory work or the retrieval, you can rest there. 00:10:28.081 --> 00:10:28.558 Yeah. 00:10:28.590 --> 00:10:29.639 Rest and repair. 00:10:29.830 --> 00:10:31.840 Rest and repair and return. 00:10:32.279 --> 00:10:32.720 Um, how 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:32.960 Beautiful. 00:10:32.961 --> 00:10:33.399 I love that. 00:10:33.509 --> 00:10:34.519 I, I, yes. 00:10:34.580 --> 00:10:53.919 Did a session with Mac Lakota, who is a wonderful depth of psychologist, psychotherapist, and, um, he has a program in, um, just holding space for us to, to acknowledge this place of frozen entities. 00:10:53.921 --> 00:11:06.879 Like when we, we have all of these, um, these forgotten parts of ourselves and this implicit memory, and, and they're being very, and I call them being very polite, they're waiting off in the corner pocket. 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:07.399 Mm-hmm. 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:14.320 waiting for that opportunity to, to reemerge and, and yet they're always on the quest to return home. 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:14.960 Mm-hmm. 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:15.039 . 00:11:15.058 --> 00:11:32.678 And, and part of the work that Laca is providing is a sense of, um, disengaging with the act of moving forward and, and being in that well of where we can be comfortable. 00:11:32.960 --> 00:11:44.480 We, we become comfortable with all of those parts that are not repaired, that all of those parts that we would, um, traditionally want to heal. 00:11:44.779 --> 00:11:49.279 But the idea is that we we're not, we're not judging them. 00:11:49.280 --> 00:11:58.120 That we accept them as they are, and that we create a sense of safety, and that the first step of, of working toward homeostasis is safety. 00:11:58.190 --> 00:11:58.799 Mm-hmm. 00:11:58.840 --> 00:11:58.879 . 00:11:58.880 --> 00:12:03.279 And so for me, the idea, and, and this obviously speaks to my own inner work. 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:03.480 Yeah. 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:05.720 Instead of healing, I wanna repair mm-hmm. 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:05.799 . 00:12:06.200 --> 00:12:13.200 Um, I'm also in this place in my life where I'm repairing everything, whether it's my car, my house, my body, you know, my teeth in my hair, all of it. 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:13.639 Mm-hmm. 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:16.120 , um, and, and working with the cells. 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:21.279 And so that, in that place of, as you're

saying, understanding what a person's resources are Yeah. 00:12:21.450 --> 00:12:30.080 If we actually give notice to all of the magic and the sacredness that's going on in our bodies mm-hmm. 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:31.678 every single breath. 00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:32.600 Mm-hmm. 00:12:32.678 --> 00:12:34.480 , it's amazing. 00:12:34.710 --> 00:12:37.840 I mean, I did a yoga practice with the lady, my, my practitioner. 00:12:37.841 --> 00:12:40.080 She's moved from Joshua Tree down to Mexico. 00:12:40.178 --> 00:13:04.149 And even on Zoom, it was, it was palatable that it was in exhaling, going all the way down to being depleted completely empty, and then staying there even a moment further and being at peace with that, and then inhaling and starting from the sense of, yeah. 00:13:04.850 --> 00:13:05.269 Wow. 00:13:05.270 --> 00:13:07.190 That's a beautiful place to be. 00:13:07.740 --> 00:13:08.789 It's so simple. 00:13:09.058 --> 00:13:10.230 It's very simple. 00:13:10.850 --> 00:13:16.389 And if we can start there, the sense of emptiness mm-hmm. 00:13:16.428 --> 00:13:18.990 the sense of complete exhalation. 00:13:19.350 --> 00:13:19.350 Mm-hmm. 00:13:19.428 --> 00:13:20.669 detoxing it out. 00:13:21.399 --> 00:13:25.549 So our cells are, I called it the low, low tide. 00:13:25.551 --> 00:13:26.110 Mm-hmm. 00:13:26.149 --> 00:13:28.230 , you know, it's being extracted mm-hmm. 00:13:28.269 --> 00:13:28.308 . 00:13:28.490 --> 00:13:30.789 And then we bring it up and we build. 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:39.470 So if we are starting from the most smallest perceptible, natural, automatic free Yeah. 00:13:39.539 --> 00:13:45.830 Free and, and counting those senses of I am repairing mm-hmm. 00:13:45.909 --> 00:13:49.389 and, um, accentuate that and amplify it. 00:13:49.549 --> 00:13:49.549 Mm-hmm. 00:13:49.629 --> 00:13:51.710 , I'm, I'm a big proponent of amplification. 00:13:51.711 --> 00:13:52.070 Mm-hmm. 00:13:52.110 --> 00:13:52.149 . 00:13:52.909 --> 00:13:58.110 Um, I was lucky to study with, um, James Hillman, uh, for three years mm-hmm. 00:13:58.149 --> 00:14:07.590 , where one of his opening lines of his very first lectures at Pacifica was, we've had psychotherapy for over a hundred years and we're still up. 00:14:07.950 --> 00:14:08.029 00:14:08.659 --> 00:14:09.750 Same patient too. 00:14:09.750 --> 00:14:10.070 Yeah. 00:14:10.350 --> 00:14:10.428 . 00:14:12.220 --> 00:14:13.669 That's a lot of repair there. 00:14:14.308 --> 00:14:14.308 . 00:14:14.620 --> 00:14:15.389 Well, it's true. 00:14:15.390 --> 00:14:23.669 You know, I'm old enough in my practice to see that every generation that comes through is beginning with where they are. 00:14:24.409 --> 00:14:30.269 And I've had to realize, you know, the, the stages of evolution as well, as well as trends mm-hmm. 00:14:30.309 --> 00:14:31.549 , when a person comes in. 00:14:31.870 --> 00:14:31.870 Mm. 00:14:32.100 --> 00:14:35.190 I, I'm not quite as caustic as James Hillman. 00:14:35.191

--> 00:14:39.629 I I really see psyche therapy as being wonderful because it's a big category. 00:14:40.379 --> 00:14:44.629 I mean, many of my clients, their lives are better, and I'm enriched for knowing them. 00:14:44.630 --> 00:14:46.470 And they've gone on to do wonderful things. 00:14:47.019 --> 00:14:53.759 I think what the, where it's become, where therapy has taken a turn, and, and I'm very grateful to see that it's become more somatic. 00:14:53.990 --> 00:14:55.399 It's become more inclusive. 00:14:55.549 --> 00:14:56.240 Embodied. 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:56.600 Yes. 00:14:56.600 --> 00:15:11.659 And the studies that were done on the Buddhist monks, the, the, um, the brain studies where they showed that, what you're talking about, uh, meditation, um, uh, Robert, um, uh, oh, what's her name? 00:15:12.139 --> 00:15:13.139 Uh, Oman, uh, 00:15:13.700 --> 00:15:14.220 Uh, Johnson. 00:15:14.669 --> 00:15:15.620 No, no, no, no. 00:15:16.340 --> 00:15:17.500 Um, what's her name? 00:15:18.379 --> 00:15:19.259 Um, Luma Thurman. 00:15:19.260 --> 00:15:21.059 Robert Thurman studies took me a while. 00:15:21.061 --> 00:15:22.820 I had to go back through the actress to find it. 00:15:22.821 --> 00:15:23.700 Click, click, click click Thurman. 00:15:23.779 --> 00:15:23.779 Yeah. 00:15:24.100 --> 00:15:24.259 Click click. 00:15:24.740 --> 00:15:25.539 Thurman Wild came up. 00:15:25.940 --> 00:15:31.340 Roman Thur, Robert Thurman, um, basically put Electroencephalograph on on monks who are meditating. 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:36.220 And he found that the, the left parietal region of the brain was much more lit up. 00:15:36.221 --> 00:15:42.659 He found that their oxygen levels were much better and they reported peace. 00:15:42.660 --> 00:15:52.659 So what they, what's happened is that's gotten tied into the work of John Cabot Zen and, and, um, um, John Boris Cinco and others who practice, uh, more expanded view of healing. 00:15:53.899 --> 00:16:14.100 Um, and we now know in our field, in psyche therapy, which means soul or our very first episode that we must include in the conversation, what truly heals and what Robert Thurman studies showed is if you meditate or you breathe and you do mindful practices, you're gonna have a calmer system. 00:16:14.100 --> 00:16:16.539 Your body knows how to self-regulate, just like Mr. 00:16:16.570 --> 00:16:21.299 Rogers taught you self-regulation through kindness to one's self. 00:16:22.139 --> 00:16:23.779 RGUs talks about that in the polyvagal. 00:16:23.780 --> 00:16:24.139 Yes. 00:16:24.179 --> 00:16:25.860 Polyvagal so many conversations. 00:16:25.860 --> 00:16:30.860 And I, I used to teach, um, and when I would have my polyvagal serum Yeah. 00:16:31.659 --> 00:16:38.980 Um, symposiums and, and, and the idea of mindfulness and breathing, and again, though it's the molecular level mm-hmm. 00:16:39.059 --> 00:16:40.340 , it's the cell mm-hmm. 00:16:40.379 --> 00:16:40.419 . 00:16:40.421 --> 00:16:48.340 And so I wanna

amplify from the smallest, smallest, smallest part of our function of life mm-hmm. 00:16:48.379 --> 00:16:50.059 and amplify it up. 00:16:50.061 --> 00:17:01.659 And, um, so I'm walking around, um, when I'm choosing food, it's like, okay, I'm gonna repair, um, my inflammation. 00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:02.259 Yes. 00:17:02.309 --> 00:17:05.660 Because I have a lot of inflammation due to injuries mm-hmm. 00:17:05.700 --> 00:17:09.339 and, um, so it, it portions it out for me. 00:17:09.340 --> 00:17:09.700 Mm-hmm. 00:17:09.740 --> 00:17:14.059 , I, I'm able to say, okay, in this little part of my life, I'm gonna do this little packet. 00:17:14.130 --> 00:17:14.740 Mm-hmm. 00:17:14.779 --> 00:17:14.819 . 00:17:14.820 --> 00:17:18.618 And, and then I, I, I, I go into my yoga practice mm-hmm. 00:17:18.700 --> 00:17:20.220 or my meditation practice mm-hmm. 00:17:20.299 --> 00:17:26.420 and I, and, um, and then my physical, and then my intellect and my creative, and then my spiritual. 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:26.900 And 00:17:26.900 --> 00:17:29.500 You're tapping into your, to your inner intelligence. 00:17:29.500 --> 00:17:35.660 And that's something I think that we want to, psyche wants to reconnect to this, the human life we're living. 00:17:36.410 --> 00:17:44.420 I love this because you were my inspiration when we were out walking after our beautiful day in the Taitz Falls area. 00:17:44.450 --> 00:17:45.660 I got very ill. 00:17:45.661 --> 00:17:48.460 And you were talking about inflammation, which was perfect. 00:17:48.461 --> 00:17:49.099 Divine timing. 00:17:49.720 --> 00:17:49.720 Yeah. 00:17:50.240 --> 00:17:54.799 Uh, we went and had some food, and then I went home and I just puffed up. 00:17:54.858 --> 00:17:56.118 And I felt horrible. 00:17:56.119 --> 00:18:01.358 Not because of Brenda, but because it was January and my body had too much surplus. 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:07.930 I was in a canyon with a lot of pollen and things that I wasn't particularly used to. 00:18:08.309 --> 00:18:14.089 And I just finished the Christmas holiday where there'd been a lot of, you know, eat, drink, and be merry with my family. 00:18:14.750 --> 00:18:17.769 And I heard you saying, I'm dealing with inflammation. 00:18:18.380 --> 00:18:20.089 So this is the other piece, folks. 00:18:21.049 --> 00:18:22.289 Um, healing is at hand. 00:18:22.618 --> 00:18:29.490 Meaning if you wonder like, well, gee, how do I learn how to deescalate my body from inflammation? 00:18:29.490 --> 00:18:32.368 Well, that for me was a, a learning path. 00:18:32.369 --> 00:18:37.410 I got on in my twenties, thirties, forties, because I was very sick. 00:18:37.660 --> 00:18:40.250 So I learned to steam vegetables mm-hmm. 00:18:40.329 --> 00:18:43.529 to make a pot of steamed vegetables to eat less. 00:18:43.720 --> 00:18:48.170 I read and studied extensively, self-healing, self-care. 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:57.849 Nowadays I think it's much more easy because you just go on a YouTube video, you gotta be a little careful, but read a few books on cleansing and healing. 00:18:57.851 --> 00:19:06.769 And you're, what Brenda's saying is you're tapping into your body's innate ability to heal, to thrive, to calm. 00:19:07.118 --> 00:19:10.170 It's not something we, as therapists give you. 00:19:10.171 --> 00:19:12.529 We help point you towards yourself. 00:19:12.910 --> 00:19:14.970 And I asked my clients, c e l Yes. 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:20.769 C e l F I asked them, you're like, so what's your plan for repair and return for this week? 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:21.410 Yeah. 00:19:21.470 --> 00:19:22.970 And that's their homework. 00:19:23.118 --> 00:19:25.730 It's not like I have this huge wound and I can't heal. 00:19:26.039 --> 00:19:32.490 It's, it's like, I hear that, let's just not make it so big you could never do anything about it. 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:33.009 Yeah. 00:19:33.010 --> 00:19:35.009 Except have acid reflux. 00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:35.529 Yeah. 00:19:35.710 --> 00:19:38.049 And, and, and antidepressants or whatever. 00:19:38.050 --> 00:19:38.970 Let's deal with the cause. 00:19:38.971 --> 00:19:39.289 Right. 00:19:39.430 --> 00:20:03.490 And I, you know, in hindsight when I, when I first did my internship at domestic violence, um, a a whole interesting world, um, of a lot of behavioral, lot of C B T, and, um, it was just, well, let's talk about how you can take three steps of change in your day-to-day life. 00:20:04.009 --> 00:20:04.009 Mm-hmm. 00:20:04.089 --> 00:20:08.930 , because the whole overall atmosphere, the whole landscape was so debilitating. 00:20:09.329 --> 00:20:09.329 Mm-hmm. 00:20:09.410 --> 00:20:12.009 was so multi-generational mm-hmm. 00:20:12.089 --> 00:20:13.890 that it, it felt futile. 00:20:14.329 --> 00:20:14.329 Mm-hmm. 00:20:14.410 --> 00:20:15.608 for the, for the client. 00:20:16.049 --> 00:20:16.049 Yes. 00:20:16.349 --> 00:20:19.410 And so just giving a sense of do this mm-hmm. 00:20:19.490 --> 00:20:20.690 and then do this. 00:20:20.691 --> 00:20:21.130 Yeah. 00:20:21.150 --> 00:20:22.730 And now plant garden, do this. 00:20:22.730 --> 00:20:27.809 Plant a garden even, you know, just, I mean, I look at, I've worked with people who've come out of war torn areas. 00:20:28.809 --> 00:20:30.170 Um, it, Bosnia Yeah. 00:20:30.269 --> 00:20:35.329 Was one of my early experiences of people who were refugees. 00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:48.410 I worked with some Ukrainian people, and what I noticed, like Clarisa Estee talks about a lot in, uh, in her work, uh, uh, the, the, the faithful Gardener. 00:20:48.411 --> 00:20:48.730 Mm-hmm. 00:20:48.809 --> 00:20:54.970 , it's one of my favorite books, because she talks about her uncle who comes over from Hungary, Hungarian Hor, I think it was Hungary. 00:20:55.230 --> 00:20:58.170 And, and, and they were like, this was a really bad time, folks. 00:20:58.171 --> 00:21:01.970 This was like death camps and horrible stuff. 00:21:02.970 --> 00:21:07.650

Um, in the early fifties, people, her uncle came over and everything was taken. 00:21:07.651 --> 00:21:09.289 The land people were killed in front of them. 00:21:09.290 --> 00:21:16.450 I've worked with people who've gone through these things, and they always start with getting their hands in the soil. 00:21:16.451 --> 00:21:16.930 Mm-hmm. 00:21:16.970 --> 00:21:20.049 , they start with the stories. 00:21:20.050 --> 00:21:21.450 They weep into the earth. 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:23.809 They don't have small problems. 00:21:23.810 --> 00:21:25.410 They have problems that are so large 00:21:25.930 --> 00:21:27.250 That they can't change it, that 00:21:27.250 --> 00:21:30.809 They must put their hands in the earth and they must begin again. 00:21:30.810 --> 00:21:32.490 I've worked with Holocaust survivors. 00:21:32.490 --> 00:21:32.730 Yeah. 00:21:32.730 --> 00:21:33.730 That's how old I am. 00:21:33.730 --> 00:21:37.608 People who have stamps on their arms, and they don't come in with small issues. 00:21:37.769 --> 00:21:39.130 They, in fact, they, they instruct me. 00:21:40.009 --> 00:21:40.009 Yeah. 00:21:40.010 --> 00:21:56.650 Because it's, it's not to minimize the things that my clients bring in, it's to, to talk about resilience and the ability of the body, mind, spirit to heal, tell the story in the context of we will survive and we will thrive. 00:21:57.029 --> 00:22:07.450 And when you thrive and survive through your pain, and you're not afraid to hold it, and you're aware that you're set up to heal, you'll naturally share that elixir with others. 00:22:07.451 --> 00:22:08.690 And that's where the joy is. 00:22:08.690 --> 00:22:09.089 Mm-hmm. 00:22:09.130 --> 00:22:16.289 , the key idea is that may becoming aware of your own ability Yeah. 00:22:17.390 --> 00:22:21.089 And to know that it's going on, whether you're conscious of it or not. 00:22:21.089 --> 00:22:21.529 Yeah. 00:22:21.530 --> 00:22:22.049 I like that. 00:22:22.410 --> 00:22:22.410 Yeah. 00:22:22.410 --> 00:22:25.529 And that you can participate along this vein. 00:22:25.789 --> 00:22:34.450 You can add, you can jump, you know, you can assist by being aware of just how your body is working for you. 00:22:34.950 --> 00:22:43.490 And then if you own that, if you know that my body, while I may have severe inflammation mm-hmm. 00:22:43.569 --> 00:22:47.490 , I'm still reproducing my cells, I still have skin covering. 00:22:47.509 --> 00:22:50.529 I'm, you know, my heart is still working mm-hmm. 00:22:50.569 --> 00:22:51.410 , um, and 00:22:51.410 --> 00:22:55.970 I might drink some parsley juice and, and my bo my cells will go, yum, yum. 00:22:56.289 --> 00:22:56.289 Yum. 00:22:56.290 --> 00:22:57.210 That's so healing and 00:22:57.410 --> 00:22:57.690 Alkaline. 00:22:57.789 --> 00:23:05.450 And that, you know, the idea of going in, I, I am always talking about embodiment and, and the animistic part of life. 00:23:05.690 --> 00:23:05.690 That 00:23:05.690 --> 00:23:07.170 Everything, can you define animistic? 00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:07.730 Well, 00:23:07.730 --> 00:23:09.410 Everything has, uh, soul. 00:23:10.009 --> 00:23:10.210 Oh yeah. 00:23:10.769 --> 00:23:13.569 That there's a spirit in, there's a frequency. 00:23:13.570 --> 00:23:14.930 Everything has a frequency. 00:23:14.931 --> 00:23:15.368 Mm-hmm. 00:23:15.410 --> 00:23:18.170 , I mean, that's why we have the periodic table mm-hmm. 00:23:18.250 --> 00:23:20.170 so that we understand the chemicals. 00:23:20.171 --> 00:23:20.849 Fascinating. 00:23:20.910 --> 00:23:29.329 And that, um, it used to be more of a more spiritual practice that mm-hmm. 00:23:29.410 --> 00:23:40.049 in eliminating it through the, the advent of various religions and having religions become expansionary and, uh, manifest destiny. 00:23:40.529 --> 00:23:40.529 Mm-hmm. 00:23:40.608 --> 00:23:40.608 . 00:23:40.609 --> 00:23:46.880 And so a lot of the, the old ways were, um, folded in or went underground into mycelium. 00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:47.200 Mm-hmm. 00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:47.279 . 00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:47.440 Mm-hmm. 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:47.519 . 00:23:47.520 --> 00:23:49.640 That's why I love mycelium, cuz it holds all of our 00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:49.920 Secrets. 00:23:49.921 --> 00:23:51.839 And mycelium brief definition, 00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:58.079 Uh, the interconnectness of the life force under the, under the, the fungus, the fung, it's fungi. 00:23:58.269 --> 00:24:02.960 It's, um, and the fruit of the fungi would be mushrooms, uhhuh,, you know, you can pick mushrooms mm-hmm. 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:05.118 , and, but you're not killing the mycelium. 00:24:05.119 --> 00:24:05.519 It's 00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:06.079 Still underground. 00:24:06.319 --> 00:24:09.079 So it's like an internal underground network of life that's 00:24:09.150 --> 00:24:09.920 A neural network 00:24:10.029 --> 00:24:16.400 That's sending, uh, nutrient information and healing, to use that word, healing underneath the repairing. 00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:17.880 And if you, and restoring under the ground, 00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:25.039 If you look at it and you take a, a micro pH, uh, photo of it, it looks like our neural pathways in our body. 00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:25.519 Fascinating. 00:24:25.520 --> 00:24:26.160 Fascinating. 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:28.519 I mean, it's, it's very, I it's almost identical. 00:24:28.608 --> 00:24:28.960 We 00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:29.480 Are a tree 00:24:30.358 --> 00:24:31.920 and the mother tree, I mean, yeah. 00:24:31.921 --> 00:24:48.279 Suzanne, Sam Mars work, the professor out of ubc, university of British Columbia and Forestry Talks has identified how the single mother tree actually, uh, assigns, um, and, um, assembles resources and sends it out into different parts of the forest mm-hmm. 00:24:48.358 --> 00:24:48.358 . 00:24:48.500 --> 00:24:51.118 And so, um, it's, it's all vital. 00:24:51.500 --> 00:24:56.559 And as are we, so that's my, I'm, I'm exploring it.

00:24:56.579 --> 00:25:00.400 I'm, I'm looking at the idea of recovery and repair. 00:25:01.480 --> 00:25:07.640 Um, as Mark, as Matt Lada had mentioned, you know, the first step toward any healing is a sense of safety. 00:25:08.349 --> 00:25:22.039 I find that people, that the people I work with, whether they're it's coaching or, or counseling, um, once they achieve a place of safety that they self design, that they live it, they, they know it, whether in their body. 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:24.039 Um, some people only have their body. 00:25:24.069 --> 00:25:28.400 Some, some, some people in safety, it doesn't exist out in the world mm-hmm. 00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:28.480 . 00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:32.358 But when they have that sense of awareness of safety mm-hmm. 00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:36.000 , um, it is the first step and of, of healing mm-hmm. 00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:36.079 . 00:25:36.080 --> 00:25:40.640 And to me, if we portion it out, just like having ingredients in a soup mm-hmm. 00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:41.599 , um, yeah. 00:25:41.601 --> 00:25:53.720 We're working toward the ultimate affect of healing, but, uh, just trunking it out, PORs like multiple personas and the idea of how are you going to repair and return this week. 00:25:54.069 --> 00:25:54.799 I love that. 00:25:54.950 --> 00:25:55.920 I love that so much. 00:25:55.921 --> 00:26:02.118 And it makes so much sense, body, mind, spirit, shadow, that our work is to find that base. 00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:03.000 It's the base. 00:26:03.309 --> 00:26:03.799 Yeah. 00:26:03.800 --> 00:26:03.960 Right. 00:26:03.961 --> 00:26:07.599 It's the first need of a baby to feel secure, securely attached. 00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:08.440 Mm-hmm. 00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:08.519 . 00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:16.000 Um, I find that for me, when I don't feel secure, I go out in nature and I sit in a quiet place. 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:21.400 Even if I have to drive, if I was so anxious, I couldn't, I might get a really soft blanket and hum. 00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:22.039 Mm. 00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:23.079 You might a little 00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:23.480 Whistled. 00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:23.799 Yeah. 00:26:23.800 --> 00:26:24.319 You have that whistle. 00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:25.960 You, you, you just create a tone. 00:26:26.108 --> 00:26:35.160 I learned to do this thing, I think it's called Manara, where you actually take your fingers and you take the flaps of your ears and you cover the hole in your ears, and then you close your eyes and you go, 00:26:36.118 --> 00:26:36.118 Hmm. 00:26:44.430 --> 00:26:48.289 And in doing that, I create a vibratory space, a frequency. 00:26:48.410 --> 00:26:48.410 Yeah. 00:26:48.608 --> 00:26:49.769 That stops all the noise. 00:26:49.789 --> 00:26:51.690 And all I can hear is my own humming. 00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:54.650 It's just such a good one. 00:26:54.740 --> 00:26:58.250 It is for just restoring me to the now moment. 00:26:58.900 --> 00:27:01.730 It sounds like a zen temple inside

of me when 00:27:02.170 --> 00:27:02.569 I'm doing that. 00:27:02.570 --> 00:27:15.650 Well, there's a sense of frequency that I, in the chanting that allows me to vibrate out and I connect in ways that are much more satisfying mm-hmm. 00:27:15.730 --> 00:27:18.130 and much more joyful mm-hmm. 00:27:18.210 --> 00:27:21.049 than if I just keep it inside and I have mm-hmm. 00:27:21.130 --> 00:27:25.608 my own space, you know, I like being connected mm-hmm. 00:27:25.690 --> 00:27:27.608 to outside and mm-hmm. 00:27:27.690 --> 00:27:27.690 . 00:27:27.691 --> 00:27:37.130 So for me, chanting outside, um, my little whistle, um, life wave I think it's called, um, you know, the frequency that you've just said mm-hmm. 00:27:37.210 --> 00:27:42.490 where you're, you're activating because those, that's a cellular molecular and it's gonna affect the bioche three. 00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:47.130 I mean, part of my postdoc work was working in biochemistry mm-hmm. 00:27:47.210 --> 00:27:54.970 and, and what, how, how, what activities, such as what you referred to earlier, doing the mind mapping with the meditation mm-hmm. 00:27:55.049 --> 00:27:59.730 and, and knowing that it dumps oxytocin within a very short time, like eight minutes. 00:28:00.450 --> 00:28:00.450 Yeah. 00:28:00.451 --> 00:28:02.608 I'm already feeling the effect of just doing mancar. 00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:05.089 This, I feel very relaxed. 00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:06.890 I just gave myself a little holiday. 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:07.490 Yeah. 00:28:07.930 --> 00:28:07.930 . 00:28:07.931 --> 00:28:08.450 I like that. 00:28:08.690 --> 00:28:08.690 Holiday. 00:28:08.691 --> 00:28:08.769 Holiday. 00:28:09.130 --> 00:28:09.130 Yeah. 00:28:09.410 --> 00:28:09.450 . 00:28:09.579 --> 00:28:10.490 It feels good. 00:28:10.490 --> 00:28:11.809 It didn't cost anything. 00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:12.329 Yeah. 00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:14.210 That's a fun tool to have. 00:28:14.211 --> 00:28:21.890 So I, I think this, uh, as we look at the idea of repair as we're revisiting that, it's like you're re you're pairing something mm-hmm. 00:28:21.970 --> 00:28:22.930 , I mean, with something else. 00:28:22.950 --> 00:28:32.410 And so you're pairing consciousness of my skin cells, my blood cells, uh, the things that Deepak Chopra talked about way back in the nineties. 00:28:32.411 --> 00:28:33.970 Magical mind, magical body. 00:28:33.971 --> 00:28:34.809 It's on YouTube. 00:28:35.140 --> 00:28:43.730 He talked about, be aware of the miracle of every cell of your body is right now healing, you, replicating, taking away toxins. 00:28:43.730 --> 00:28:46.049 You are creating or biology of belief. 00:28:46.050 --> 00:28:46.769 Bruce Lipton. 00:28:46.770 --> 00:28:47.130 Yeah. 00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:50.170 What you're doing right now is called epigenetics. 00:28:50.490 --> 00:28:54.369 You the things that you choose, or it's not your just genetic code. 00:28:54.371 --> 00:29:00.049 You're actively acting with the present,

current now moment to bring about healing. 00:29:00.380 --> 00:29:01.410 If you wish. 00:29:01.660 --> 00:29:05.250 To me, it's the, the first beginning of embodiment. 00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:06.049 I love it. 00:29:06.150 --> 00:29:19.970 And the visionary, the vision that I was given was a long hallway, dark hallway, but at the, toward the middle of it, this is a jar door, and this golden light is emanating Mm. 00:29:20.059 --> 00:29:21.849 Calling me, beckoning me. 00:29:21.900 --> 00:29:28.930 So I go down this hallway, I very, it's not timidly, but very cautiously open. 00:29:29.190 --> 00:29:38.250 And there is this giant Vibrating sun, but I see that it is one cell. 00:29:38.950 --> 00:29:42.160 And then I actually watch it starting to, to divide mm-hmm. 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:42.240 . 00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:46.960 And, and it's very reminiscent of seeing a cell divide into two. 00:29:46.980 --> 00:29:54.279 But right before they break away the two sides of, of the, like a Venn diagram mm-hmm. 00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:55.400 , the two circles are together. 00:29:56.019 --> 00:30:10.720 And right at that, that junction right before they divide, I look down and all the way down, like, uh, an elevator in both of these circles is, is a circle beyond a circle, beyond a circle, beyond a circle, beyond a circle beyond. 00:30:10.721 --> 00:30:11.920 And it goes all the way. 00:30:12.059 --> 00:30:15.279 And I realize this is, these are little tubes of discovery. 00:30:15.660 --> 00:30:17.400 And this is my breath. 00:30:17.401 --> 00:30:21.559 This is my blood, this is my history, this is my future. 00:30:22.339 --> 00:30:26.400 And, and everything is contained and it's all vibrating. 00:30:26.740 --> 00:30:36.440 And so I enter into that and I just feel this warmth and this, this pulsation, and I realize that this is my life force. 00:30:36.441 --> 00:30:36.880 Mm-hmm. 00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:36.960 . 00:30:37.700 --> 00:30:50.240 And from here I can create, I can digest, I can write, I can paint, I can move in through my day. 00:30:51.980 --> 00:30:54.119 And, and I stay in that space. 00:30:55.380 --> 00:31:13.839 And even as I drive on the freeway, or if I'm sitting in a conference, or if I'm giving a lecture or sitting in sacred space in a client, this new vision of the cellular divide going all the way down this, this, this chamber mm-hmm. 00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:28.740 , um, that connects me to where my, my eyesight in this room all the way back down into past the earth crust, into, down below, beyond the planet. 00:31:29.380 --> 00:31:29.380 Mm-hmm. 00:31:29.460 --> 00:31:33.339 , uh, it just creates for me this place of safety. 00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:46.420 And so I feel that I'm ready to, um, face and hold and work and move forward from this, this, this beautiful place of containment. 00:31:46.900 --> 00:31:47.700 Beautiful. 00:31:47.701 --> 00:31:53.140 It sounds like you're really utilizing active imagination as well, which is a holographic field. 00:31:53.619 --> 00:31:53.619 Yeah. 00:31:53.621 --> 00:32:04.380 That connects you to these very beautiful inner workings of the, not just yourself c e f, but the universe. 00:32:04.381 --> 00:32:04.700 Yeah. 00:32:04.701 --> 00:32:05.539 That's wonderful. 00:32:05.540 --> 00:32:07.339 Brenda, thank you so much for sharing this today. 00:32:07.369 --> 00:32:07.980 I think it pleasure. 00:32:08.220 --> 00:32:09.180 It's quite deeply nurturing. 00:32:09.180 --> 00:32:10.140 Thanks for asking. 00:32:10.700 --> 00:32:10.819 All right. 00:32:10.820 --> 00:32:11.299 Thanks Deborah. 00:32:11.619 --> 00:32:11.619 Until 00:32:11.619 --> 00:32:12.740 We meet again,, 00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:13.539 Bye bye. 00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:25.619 And that concludes this week's episode of the Soul Path Sessions podcast with Deborah Mikes Pearson and Brenda Littleton. 00:32:26.150 --> 00:32:34.660 If you'd like to hear more about living a more soulful life, please subscribe to our channel on your favorite podcast app and be sure to check out the show notes and links below. 00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:39.019 For more information from Deborah, visit soul path sessions.com. 00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:44.960 And for Brenda, Brenda, thank for listening and remember to follow.