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I'm Jimmy Wissman.
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I apologize for sounding like this. The Midwest hasn't sickened me,
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and there's nothing I can do about it. I was
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walking around in the rain for days, and something got
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in there, and it's bad. It's crazy. We're going to
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work it out, though. That's all right. I'm hopped up
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let me tell you, awesome. Thank you, Milwaukee. Thank you, Minneapolis.
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My God. Minneapolis, that might have been one of the
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hottest for longest crowds I've ever seen ever. Two hours
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from start to finish, they never stopped laughing. They were
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just amazing. Milwaukee, too. Two plus. Yeah, that was crazy.
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They made it so long. They made it longer because
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they wouldn't stop laughing. So, hey, that's fine with us.
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So it was a good time. Man, did we have
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a blast. So thank you for doing that. Next up,
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one small town murder this week, which you're going to
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get for crime and sports. It's a murder story. It
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has nothing to do with sports. So the person's family
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who was murdered happened to be an athlete. That's how
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it's crime and sports. So there you go. And then
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small-town murder, we're going to do the trick-or-treat murder. It's
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an old-timey murder from like the 50s, but it is
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a crazy, twisted, weird story of a Halloween night murder
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that basically was– they used Halloween to disguise the whole thing.
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It's pretty wild. So we'll check all of that out
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I mean, that's all we can give you. That's all
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we have. I'm looking. I got a box behind. Nothing
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else in there. It's all empty. My bag's empty. That's
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what we got there. So, yeah, do that, Patreon. I'd say,
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it's time, everybody. What do you say? Here, let's all
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clear the lungs. We need to do that. I need
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to do them a lot here. Arms to the sky.
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This is clear as they're getting today. Arms to the sky.
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And let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder.
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Let's do this, everybody.
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Okay.
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Let's go on a trip. Yeah. Let's do it. Well,
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we're going to
Indiana this week. Here we go. Winchester, Indiana,
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like the rifle there. I guess it's within the township
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of White River, but it's its own town also. I
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hate when they do that. It's very confusing. A lot
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of states do that. It happens like in the East
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Coast states a lot, the Northeast. So much. This is actually,
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it's a hamlet in a township inside of a, it's
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like enough already with that shit. This is in Eastern Indiana.
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about an hour and a half to Indianapolis, about an
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hour 15 to Dayton, Ohio, and about two hours and
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10 minutes to Columbus, Indiana. Our last Indiana episode, episode 693,
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Poison Pudding Problems, which I went a little crazy with
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the alliteration, and I don't regret it. That's fine. Poison
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Pudding Problems. This is in Randolph County, area code 765.
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Population here, 5,016. So decent-sized town inside of another town.
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Median household income is almost about $ 20, 000 below the rest
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of the country in terms of average. It's $ 51, 985, but
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that's not bad when you look at the median home cost.
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You go, oh, okay, that fits. Median home cost here, $ 118, 000,
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which is from another company. century, those prices.
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That'd be amazing to get a middle-of-the-road home for $ 120.
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$ 118. It's got nicknames that are wild. The first one
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I really don't get, the world's fastest half mile. There's
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no racetrack here, but it's Indiana. I get it. Indiana's
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into the racing, but it's not here. There's no racetrack
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that I can find anyway. The other nicknames are even stupider.
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One is Dub C, and then in parentheses, WC, Winchester. No. Nope.
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That's not what I think of for that. You shouldn't
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do that. Nope.
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That's the water closet we've established.
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Yes, exactly. Oh, we're in water closet Indiana. Then the
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other one is even grosser. Sugar cream pie capital. They
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have the word cream pie capital in their fucking town motto.
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Sugary one.
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Sugary cream pie.
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Or the cream pie and your sugar.
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What have you been eating, sir? Gross. Gross.
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Is that just sugar or cream pie for you?
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How about that? A little bit of history of this town. Man,
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it was laid out in 1818 as the county seat,
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was the county seat of Randolph County. Five early settlers
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donated land for the purpose of the town, and they're
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pretty sure it was named for Winchester, Virginia, because I
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think one of the people was from there. So that's
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what they do. It became actually notable in the mid-1800s
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because Randolph County– was a major spot for the Underground Railroad.
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Wow.
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Yes. Now, Indiana is famous for being one of the
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Klan-heaviest cities or states in the country. They had a huge,
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I mean, they controlled all their politics and police forces. Oh,
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in the 20s and early 1900s. But here, it was
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big in the Underground Railroad, big in the abolition movement
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before the Civil War. So that's pretty cool. Then they
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had oil and natural gas and other resources they found
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in about the late 1800s. And Winchester transformed from a
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farming community into an industrial town after that. Yeah. Factories and,
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you know.
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Black's not so bad, is it, Indiana?
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That's right.
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When it comes to oil.
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When it comes from the ground, it's Texas tea right there.
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So all of this enabled the glassmaking industry to thrive here.
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So a lot of glassmaking here. That was the big
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deal here. It was the glassmaking, and they had the
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fuel from the natural gas and oil to be able
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to burn those furnaces because you've got to get a
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pretty high temperature to burn and melt glass. Tornadoes, they've
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had a couple of those. In 2024, which very recently,
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a quarter-mile-wide EF3 tornado hit Westchester. Sounds big. Hit Winchester?
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Or Winchester. What did I call it? Yeah.
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Westchester.
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Westchester. I live near Westchester. I apologize. Severe damage was
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dealt to the Goodwill, the Goodwill store. So we're fine still.
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That dumpster outside spread people's garbage clothes they don't want everywhere.
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There it is. Severe damage to somebody else's trash.
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That's it. The lodge at Summers Point and a strip mall.
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It's just a strip mall wiped out, so the subway
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is gone. The Freedom Life Church and the Taco Bell
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were flattened. They flattened the Taco Bell. That's tough. Where
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are we going to get diarrhea now? This is bad.
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The good news is it didn't break anything that wasn't
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already there.
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No, it didn't break one shell. They were already cracked
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on the bottom. They were already fucked. 38 were injured
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and three were critically injured, and one of the three
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died weeks later. And then June 2024, three months later,
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the remainder of the strip mall was demolished. And subsequently,
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I think they rebuilt something into a Wendy's, and then
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Taco Bell underwent repairs and reopened. So there you go.
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It's back. Reviews of this town. Here's five stars. I
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think Winchester is an excellent place to raise a family
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and a perfect place to settle down and put roots. Yeah.
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It's a very cozy small town that feels like home.
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This place will always be my home. I grew up here.
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I have no interest in the outside world whatsoever. Wow.
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Winchester will always have a special place in my heart.
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Here's three stars. And this is the perfect review for
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three stars. It's your average town in the middle of
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a cornfield. Easy to miss. Everyone knows just about everyone there.
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Not sure if that's a really nice thing or terrifying.
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Middle of the road. This is a three-star review. People
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take notes. This is how it works.
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Great place to take an F3 to the chest.
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Not bad. Well, at least the Taco Bell takes one
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to the chest. What's nice about this little
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think most can agree on is that you know it
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like the back of your hand, and it has a
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little diner that's known for miles around. Oh, well, then
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everything's fine. It's not much, but it's home.
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It's not much, but it's ours.
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That's something. Three stars. Winchester. has a cute little hometown
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feel to it I grew up in Winchester that's probably
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why it feels like a hometown to you because it's
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yours yeah because it's your hometown it's your hometown but
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recently it has fallen victim to a lot of major
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drug use and I would definitely like to see that
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change as I have lost loved ones to this horrible
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disease And then finally, two stars. It's not a good
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place to raise a family. It traps. I guess traps
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you in the town. Yeah. I suppose. You're stuck in that. Yeah.
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Cyclical Winchester lifestyle.
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Yeah. Things to do. Two things. One makes sense and
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the other one makes none. So that'll be fine. Nothing.
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No sense. First is the Westchester. See, I almost did
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it again. Winchester Main Street Festival. Yeah. Normal festival. It
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says it's an attempt to embrace a Mardi Gras theme
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and to infuse Hoosier life with Southern flair.
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Oh, yeah, I forgot they're Hoosiers.
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What does that mean?
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I have no goddamn idea.
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Wear an I and a U on your chest at
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all times.
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That's it. Even when people abuse kids, you love them.
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As long as they wear a red sweater. You can
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say whatever you want to these fucking kids.
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Whatever you want.
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So they have normal things. Parades, shit like that. Family
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night with fireworks. Carnival blowout. Normal shit. Then is the
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one that doesn't make sense. The Hawaiian Steel Guitar Festival.
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In eastern Indiana. No idea why they chose this. I
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don't know.
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The manufacturing plant must be somewhere nearby because they're nice guitars.
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I've got one right there.
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No, they're very nice, but it says, I don't know
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why they would have a Hawaiian guitar festival in eastern Indiana.
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It's a strange place.
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It's a brand. I get it, but they're doing Hawaiian music.
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That's the, you know what I mean? Oh, they're doing
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Hawaiian music too? Winchester, Indiana's Hawaiian Steel Guitar Festival brings
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together musicians from across generations and cultures. I can't stop laughing. Yeah?
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I'm not hearing anything about Hawaii yet.
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Welcoming native Hawaiian artists alongside performers from across the continental
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United States. What do you think I, I wrote this down.
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What does that mean? Do you think I didn't fucking
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know what it was? Performers include the Williams twins, 96-year-old
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twin sisters who've been singing and playing guitar together at
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the festival for nearly 50 years. 96? Wow. They can
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play guitar at 96? That's amazing. I can barely turn.
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Wrenches my I have so much arthritis and I've never
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played guitar a day in my life.
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Well maybe that's the key maybe it keeps you loose
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maybe so limber I gotta learn this shit I was
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gonna say you're not playing that fucking thing it's sitting
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there but you're not doing anything with.
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It I tried so hard and I quit already.
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Alan Akata a member of the Hawaiian Music Hall of
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Fame and one of the foremost masters of the Hawaiian
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steel guitar 22 year old Miley Lyman one of the
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brightest rising stars in Hawaiian music I mean it's a
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Hawaiian festival not just the guitar Wow. It's a whole festival,
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which is crazy. Anyway, that said, let's talk about some murder.
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That is shocking.
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I don't know why. I was like, just let me
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tell you. I got a question. I feel bad now,
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but I'm like, if you let me read one sentence,
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all of this will be explained. That's so funny.
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So it's just the music.
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That's interesting. I can totally see where you're coming from.
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You're like, but I have one of the guitars. It's
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a guitar. I have one.
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It's right there.
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All right. Murder in this town. Let's go back 2018.
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Not very far.
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No real reason.
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We're getting eight years. Not bad.
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Those ladies were still in their 90s.
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They're fucking, yeah, still. Well, almost. Almost. They were pushing. So,
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let's talk about a guy here. David L. Brumley. L-E-Y,
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by the way. He's born February 13th, 1957 here. So,
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getting up there in age here. He's 61 years old.
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He's the son of Robert and Dolores Brumley. He has
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a brother named Tim. He graduated from Winchester High School
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in 1976. He is Mr. Winchester still lives there, lives
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on West South Street in Winchester. Been there all the time.
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He works for Omega Enterprises, whatever the hell that is,
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but that's what he works for. Now, in the neighborhood,
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he knows everybody. He's from this town. It's a small town.
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If you grew up here and you're 61, you pretty
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much know everybody.
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It's a long time.
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Yeah, you have to know everybody. So he knows all
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sorts of people, has all sorts of friends that are like,
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described as childhood friends all the time. So he still
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knows them. Seems like a lot of people are born
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here and they die here. You know what I mean?
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They're happy about it. So good for them, I guess.
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Or at least content. Yeah, there you go. At least content.
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He has a friend of his across the street from him, actually. Well,
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right kind of near right across the street. A buddy
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of his he's known for his whole life. So that's
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kind of fun. And his buddy kind of helps him
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out with stuff a little bit, as we'll talk about.
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He's got a car. that he's real into, that his
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buddy helps him out with. This is Monty Joseph Cook, okay?
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Monty Cook. He's born September 59, so they went to
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high school together. They know each other. Grew up there.
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They remained friends as adults always. Now, we'll talk about it,
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but Monty wasn't around for about 15 years.
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Where'd he go?
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He was local pretty much, but not available. Put it
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that way. He wasn't available to hang out at the time.
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You could see him, but he couldn't really make plans
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to see you.
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From time to time.
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Yeah. At very certain times on very certain days, you
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could see him. A couple of hours. Very specific hours. So, yeah,
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they grow up and Monty would help. David Brumley with
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projects around the home sometimes, and not even for money.
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They just help each other out. He liked doing stuff,
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and he liked turning a wrench or fixing something and
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doing shit. He also hung out with Brumley in the garage.
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Brumley's got a little house with a detached garage where
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he's constantly working on and polishing and making better his
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prized show car, which is a 2006 Mustang. Now, there's
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some debate over whether it's 2004 or 2006, but I'm
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99% sure it's 2006, and it's the same body style from, like,
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01 to 08, so it really doesn't matter.
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It's not really a classic, but it's his prized possession,
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and that's okay.
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Well, yeah, he's got it jacked up, too. It's a GT. It's, like,
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maroon with the black stripes on the hood, and it's
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got the big black scoop on the hood and all
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that shit. Like, he's got it all. Okay.
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Yeah, I think they stopped making the Cobra by then.
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I believe so, yeah. It also has the chrome pins
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in the front of the hood. It's like making it
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look real race. Like what you would do in Grand
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Theft Auto if you had tons and tons of money
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and you get a car and go to the shop
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there and hook it up. Like that's pretty much what
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he did to it.
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The Mustang's a fine car, whatever.
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Yeah, I used to have one. They're fine. So, yeah,
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a lot of people hate them. Yeah.
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Yeah, it's just the only car that Ford ever built
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that's really fast, except for the Shelby shit.
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And the GT, of course. That's a whole different issue.
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That's a Mustang, though.
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No, the Ford GT. The hell is that? The 500 GT.
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The 500 GT. Yeah, yeah. That's a totally different thing,
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but that's like a fucking $ 400, 000 car or whatever. So
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if you want that.
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It's on a Mustang platform, isn't it?
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I don't know about the engine, but it's a down low, lower.
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It doesn't look anything like a Mustang.
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Oh, are you talking about the, I know what you're
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talking about. That's the Shelby Cobra, right?
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No. Are we talking about it? They're newer ones. Is
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it the 500 GT, is it called? What the hell
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is it called? I knew a guy who had one.
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They're insanely expensive. Yeah, they're really like crazy expensive Fords. Like,
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it's wild.
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Yeah, I thought that was, I thought that that's the
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Mustang built. It doesn't matter.
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It doesn't matter. It's really irrelevant to the story. I'm
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going to. Much like the Hawaiian guitars, really irrelevant to
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the story. Yes. So, now, Monty, by the way, has
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a job. He delivers campers and RVs. That's his job.
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A lot of RV stuff is made around here, as
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we'll talk about. So, the Mustang is this guy's prized
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fucking possession. Okay? And he takes it to car shows. And,
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I mean, this is David Brumley's prized possession here. Interesting. Yep,
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he's got license plate RSP657, and here we go. Now,
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a little background on Monty, his buddy across the street.
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They hung out a lot in their younger days. They
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were real close. But in the late 2000s, in the
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late aughts and 2010s, they weren't hanging out because Monty
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was a little busy, and let's find out why. In
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July of 2003... At, what is this, July, I believe, 5th,
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at 2.23 a.m., state and federal agents began an investigation
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of a fire that caused $ 7. 5 million in damages to
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a factory.
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Oh, a factory.
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It's a 35,000 square foot factory burned down. Huge.
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And everything inside.
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Everything in it, gone. Wow. So they said, quote, by
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seven hours into the call, we had a lot of
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resources here to use, saying that this was the first–
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the fire chief said this was the first time since
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he's been in fire that the Federal Department of Alcohol, Tobacco,
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and Firearms and Explosives were to be involved in an investigation.
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He goes, those guys showed up. We were like, what?
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What are you guys doing here?
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ATF.
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ATF. is there the president of the company that it's
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all this warehouse or factory had one company it's called
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Mastercraft they make they make shit for boats and RVs
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they make furniture for boats and RVs that's where it
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comes from here so they said the Cliff Reynolds, who's
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the president of that company, said he's confident the business
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will return someday to full production when they obviously have
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a place to put it. He said, our main focus
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is to take care of the customers and our employees.
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So they make upholstered furniture and mattresses for the RV industry,
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and I guess boats too, from what I understand.
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Oh, the boats are insane that they build.
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I bet. So they say it was destroyed by fire. Now,
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this was originally a smaller building, and I found in
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the newspapers where they added on every couple of years,
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they build another part and build another section. They've grown
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and grown and grown for like 30, 40 years in
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this area.
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Now it's ashes.
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Yeah, it's a pretty nice story, you know, of a
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local business growing like that. So employees had not worked
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in the buildings the last three days because they had
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a three-day weekend for the 4th of July holiday. So
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they went off for a three-day weekend, turned out to
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be a lot longer weekend than that, obviously. Now, what
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ended up happening there There's 300 people working at the plant.
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They don't have a job at the moment here. They
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ended up suspecting old Monty Cook of doing this.
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Why would they suspect him?
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He's got reasons. Cook gives statements to the Indiana police
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investigator and an agent of the ATF. They said a
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statement against his own interests, but not a confession. So
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we're all about to push him over the edge here.
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Yeah, I was there.
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What about it? Well, saying he knew who did it
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or he might have been there at the time, but
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he didn't light the fire. Why would he say that?
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I may know the guy who did it because I
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may have may have been watching him do it. But
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one me. Yeah. All right. What a dumb fucking thing
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to say, dude. You imagine that? Idiot. So the investigators
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focus on Cook after learning that he had left threatening
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messages on the Mastercraft telephone answering machine over the course
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of several weeks. He's been like threatening the RV upholstery factory.
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What the hell are you doing? It makes more sense
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when you understand that his wife or estranged wife at
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this point, Kelly, was an employee at the plant the
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time that the calls were made. That's why. Okay. So
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he doesn't like her. We'll find out. Definitely not. He's
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a little jealous and possessive, I would say. He has
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like a daughter too and all this stuff. It's like,
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calm down, bro. Mastercraft reported the incidents to police and
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had addressed the concern by adding extra security. And the
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extra security didn't
matter much. One of the prosecutors here
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said it had escalated in volatility. We believe one of
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his motives over committing the crime is that he was
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angry over a relationship he thought his wife was having
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at Mastercraft. He thought his wife was fucking one of
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the other employees. So he said, I will burn this
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motherfucker to the ground. To the ground.
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Didn't even have rock solid evidence.
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No.
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Under suspicion, he burnt it down.
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That's the crazy part. He went in there looking for
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evidence of it. That's what he was looking for.
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Oh, my God.
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That's what's crazy. Seven and a half million dollars in damages. Now,
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they arrest him. The plant's in Shipshawana, I guess it's called,
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or Shipshawana, either one. He remains in on a two
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hundred and fifty thousand dollar bond here. They said that's
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higher than normal because of the extent of it. And
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also the fact that he didn't get his wife. So
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they're worried he might go after his wife now, too.
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So they said that he broke into the factory. It's
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about 40 miles east of South Bend to find information
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on his estranged wife. He's originally not booked on arson charges,
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but booked on charges of failure to appear in court
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the week before for an invasion of privacy case involving,
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guess who, his wife. And also there was two arrest
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warrants already out for him when he did that for
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invasion of privacy and violating a protective order against who?
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His wife. Yeah. So this guy's dangerous.
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Why don't you grab some turtle wax and head on
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over to your buddy's house and.
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Yeah, this is what you do. Have a beer, bitch
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about your wife, and then go home and fucking jerk
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off and go to bed. That's what you do.
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Shine the car about it.
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That's what you do, but not this guy. It's crazy.
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So he ends up admitting it. Yeah. He has to
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admit it eventually here. He broke into the craft or
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to Mastercraft. He rummaged through drawers and offices... And then
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he admitted that he lit a match to some fabric
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and left the building. So he's like, I mean, I
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didn't make sure it burned down. I threw it and said,
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let the fates land where they may.
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Go with God. Jesus, take the wheel.
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00:24:56.240 --> 00:25:00.299
That's right. The equivalent of putting a child on a
474
00:25:00.380 --> 00:25:02.980
raft and pushing him down the river. Like, I don't know.
475
00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:04.990
He could be fine or he could be eaten by wolves.
476
00:25:05.049 --> 00:25:06.369
I'm not sure. Either one could happen.
477
00:25:06.650 --> 00:25:07.450
We'll see.
478
00:25:07.789 --> 00:25:11.630
Technically, either outcome is possible. He might be raised by
479
00:25:11.670 --> 00:25:13.569
the king or eaten by wolves. We're not sure.
480
00:25:14.650 --> 00:25:16.579
That's a wild thing to do.
481
00:25:16.920 --> 00:25:20.910
It's fucking crazy. He said that he thought his wife
482
00:25:20.970 --> 00:25:23.789
was sleeping with another employee at Mastercraft and that he
483
00:25:23.849 --> 00:25:26.069
found photos of the two of them in one of
484
00:25:26.109 --> 00:25:28.970
the desk drawers. That's what pissed him off. He found
485
00:25:28.990 --> 00:25:31.019
it at the desk. So then after that, he said
486
00:25:31.039 --> 00:25:33.259
he was looking for pay stubs for some reason. He
487
00:25:33.299 --> 00:25:35.440
wanted to know more about this guy, probably his address
488
00:25:35.480 --> 00:25:36.160
and things like that.
489
00:25:36.740 --> 00:25:40.579
Yeah, but that's also usually where the company discloses the
490
00:25:40.660 --> 00:25:41.359
sexual relationships.
491
00:25:41.460 --> 00:25:46.019
Absolutely. It's right there. It's under the FICA, I believe, right?
492
00:25:46.809 --> 00:25:50.279
The line under that I think they used for that one.
493
00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:52.460
Yeah, Cox taken and then it shows.
494
00:25:52.660 --> 00:25:58.059
Yeah, Cox taken. Yeah. So he said that he set
495
00:25:58.099 --> 00:26:01.059
the fire to get back at them, those two employees.
496
00:26:01.079 --> 00:26:02.019
Oh, because it's their fault.
497
00:26:02.440 --> 00:26:05.000
So burn the whole building down. I will burn this
498
00:26:05.079 --> 00:26:08.259
motherfucker to the ground. How dare you?
499
00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:11.960
They hired and facilitated her being able to take this.
500
00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:16.009
They're CFs, Cox facilitators, and he's not taking it. So
501
00:26:16.210 --> 00:26:18.309
after the fire, he went to a friend's house in
502
00:26:18.349 --> 00:26:22.710
Millersburg so he could watch the fire on television. It's
503
00:26:22.769 --> 00:26:25.579
a huge blaze. And he was like, well, there's constant
504
00:26:25.619 --> 00:26:29.720
local coverage of this. Let's watch this. So he's in
505
00:26:29.779 --> 00:26:34.349
jail in March of 2004. That was July 2003. And
506
00:26:34.369 --> 00:26:38.930
then it gets worse somehow. What? I don't know how
507
00:26:38.950 --> 00:26:40.650
you could go to jail and make it worse, but
508
00:26:40.690 --> 00:26:45.319
he did. Yeah. Here's the headline from the newspaper. Kidnapping
509
00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:47.000
added to list of Cook's charges.
510
00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:48.460
Who did he take?
511
00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:50.940
Well, he's not who he took. It's who he wanted
512
00:26:50.980 --> 00:26:54.710
to take. He's already charged with arson finally now. Now
513
00:26:54.750 --> 00:26:57.410
he's accused of plotting to kidnap two women in an
514
00:26:57.470 --> 00:27:01.549
attempt to get bond money. Two? Two. He's going to
515
00:27:01.910 --> 00:27:05.130
kidnap people to get ransom money so he can use
516
00:27:05.170 --> 00:27:08.319
it to spring himself on bond. Think about that. Have
517
00:27:08.339 --> 00:27:09.539
you ever heard of that one before? No.
518
00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:12.339
That's crazy.
519
00:27:13.059 --> 00:27:13.720
You have too much time.
520
00:27:13.740 --> 00:27:16.279
Talk about robbing yourself to pay nobody.
521
00:27:16.299 --> 00:27:20.369
Pay nobody. Yeah, robbing Peter to fucking shit on Paul's chest.
522
00:27:20.450 --> 00:27:21.210
It makes no sense.
523
00:27:22.230 --> 00:27:24.490
Robbing Peter to do Paul's time.
524
00:27:24.670 --> 00:27:25.589
It's so weird.
525
00:27:25.690 --> 00:27:26.650
You're not getting out.
526
00:27:26.890 --> 00:27:28.710
So he's got to appear in front of a judge
527
00:27:28.869 --> 00:27:32.450
on two charges of conspiracy to commit kidnapping. That's not great.
528
00:27:32.990 --> 00:27:36.089
He's accused of writing to someone he met in jail.
529
00:27:36.230 --> 00:27:38.390
Somebody came into the jail while he was in there waiting.
530
00:27:38.930 --> 00:27:41.490
This person was in there for like 30 days for
531
00:27:41.529 --> 00:27:43.750
a minor, they called it in the newspaper, quote, a
532
00:27:43.809 --> 00:27:49.430
minor felony. You know, a small, a tiny felony. Yeah, apparently.
533
00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:53.059
So this guy was getting out in 30 days. So
534
00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:56.599
Monty was like, hey, do me a favor. And he's
535
00:27:56.660 --> 00:27:59.900
writing to this guy asking him to kidnap the two women,
536
00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:02.420
get the ransom and then bail him out with it.
537
00:28:02.539 --> 00:28:05.019
Because that's a foolproof plan. That'll work.
538
00:28:06.170 --> 00:28:09.430
You already can't vote. So do this for me.
539
00:28:09.470 --> 00:28:10.349
How about this part?
540
00:28:10.390 --> 00:28:10.609
Yeah.
541
00:28:11.289 --> 00:28:15.039
This guy, by the way, the minor felon, he gets
542
00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:18.200
these letters asking them to commit a major felony. And
543
00:28:18.220 --> 00:28:20.480
he's like, I have a level of felon that I'm
544
00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:22.920
comfortable with. And it's not this high up. It's a
545
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:26.009
much lower level felon than this. Yeah. He took the
546
00:28:26.069 --> 00:28:30.339
letters to his probation officer and told on the on Monty. Wow.
547
00:28:30.380 --> 00:28:32.079
He's like, we're not that good of friends. The fuck
548
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:38.039
are we doing here? So rather than that close. So
549
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:44.740
rather than just busting him for that right there, the sheriff,
550
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:48.160
the probation officer gave it to a sheriff's detective, Jeff Campos.
551
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:52.920
This Campos had said, don't go ahead and respond to him.
552
00:28:53.299 --> 00:28:56.609
Tell him, no problem, let's set up a meeting, and
553
00:28:56.619 --> 00:28:59.009
we're going to set up a meeting. So they set
554
00:28:59.069 --> 00:29:03.650
up a meeting with undercover officers at the jail. This
555
00:29:03.730 --> 00:29:07.029
guy said, come back to the jail and bring your
556
00:29:07.349 --> 00:29:10.170
kidnapper friend with you, and we'll just meet at visiting day,
557
00:29:11.190 --> 00:29:14.190
and we'll set this up. Okay, this is all really brilliant.
558
00:29:15.230 --> 00:29:17.910
One officer posed as a bail bondsman, and the other
559
00:29:17.990 --> 00:29:20.990
officer posed as the man's cousin. That's how they did it.
560
00:29:21.420 --> 00:29:23.220
I'm going to commit a felony, so I brought my
561
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:29.440
cousin with me and my bail bondsman. Yeah. So Monty
562
00:29:29.509 --> 00:29:32.650
Cook proposed kidnapping the women. One is the wife of
563
00:29:32.690 --> 00:29:35.369
a Mastercraft employee, and the other one is the wife
564
00:29:35.410 --> 00:29:39.970
of an old friend. Just kidnapping random people for ransom.
565
00:29:40.430 --> 00:29:44.069
ranging from $ 70, 000 to hundreds of thousands of dollars, depending
566
00:29:44.150 --> 00:29:47.549
on his mood, what he was talking about at the time.
567
00:29:48.910 --> 00:29:51.859
They said, quote, we were notified by a private individual
568
00:29:51.890 --> 00:29:55.559
who'd been receiving some fairly disturbing correspondence from Mr. Cook.
569
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:58.930
This person brought the letters in. We followed up with
570
00:29:58.970 --> 00:30:01.829
an undercover officer coming to the jail and meeting to
571
00:30:01.869 --> 00:30:05.009
discuss with Mr. Cook the plans he detailed in the letters.
572
00:30:06.029 --> 00:30:09.750
So the officer posed as his cousin and said that, yeah,
573
00:30:09.789 --> 00:30:12.309
you know, we'll talk about it. And they said that
574
00:30:12.369 --> 00:30:15.470
Cook willingly talked to the undercover officer who got the
575
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:21.200
evidence on a recording. Unbelievable. Idiot. Cook wanted the would-be
576
00:30:21.259 --> 00:30:25.220
kidnappers to abduct these women from their homes, pull them
577
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:29.500
from their beds, and then hold them for money, which is... crazy.
578
00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:34.019
They lived in two different cities, too, these women. They
579
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:35.539
were not like they were in the same house. They said,
580
00:30:35.579 --> 00:30:38.299
grab that one and then this one. The two women
581
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:42.380
were acquainted with Cook, and then the prosecutor here said,
582
00:30:42.420 --> 00:30:45.650
I think he believed the individuals may have sums of
583
00:30:45.750 --> 00:30:50.250
money enough to accomplish his plan. Cook told the undercover
584
00:30:50.309 --> 00:30:53.069
instructions on getting the ransom money and told him not
585
00:30:53.089 --> 00:30:55.430
to hurt the victims. This is just for money. Get
586
00:30:55.470 --> 00:30:58.259
me out of here. I'm He said, we believe he
587
00:30:58.299 --> 00:31:00.700
was trying to acquire enough money to post bond to
588
00:31:00.740 --> 00:31:03.880
be released and probably flee the area, you would assume.
589
00:31:04.609 --> 00:31:08.849
What an unbelievable plot. What a dumb fucking plot. That's, again,
590
00:31:08.869 --> 00:31:10.869
a guy with way too much time on his hands
591
00:31:10.890 --> 00:31:11.490
sitting in jail.
592
00:31:13.170 --> 00:31:17.839
And way too few brain cells, evidently, because that's not
593
00:31:17.859 --> 00:31:18.420
going to work.
594
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:21.779
Way too few IQ points and too much time. Too
595
00:31:21.819 --> 00:31:23.960
much time, too little smarts, and you're going to end
596
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:26.890
up with some dumb shit. So he's scheduled to stand
597
00:31:26.930 --> 00:31:29.990
trial on the arson and burglary charges, which could result
598
00:31:30.029 --> 00:31:33.390
in prison sentences up to 20 years and eight years, respectively.
599
00:31:33.569 --> 00:31:36.950
And now these new charges could carry up to 50
600
00:31:36.950 --> 00:31:38.470
more years in prison if convicted.
601
00:31:39.890 --> 00:31:42.990
I was just going to ask you, this is charges.
602
00:31:43.730 --> 00:31:46.730
What he's doing is like, yeah, you can get this
603
00:31:46.829 --> 00:31:49.049
guy is dangerous. He should not be on the street.
604
00:31:49.089 --> 00:31:51.130
He should be doing 78 years.
605
00:31:51.230 --> 00:31:53.289
This is what he comes up with as a solution
606
00:31:53.430 --> 00:31:55.089
to his problem that he got himself into.
607
00:31:55.819 --> 00:31:58.789
To do a huge problem that cost $ 7. 5 million.
608
00:31:58.809 --> 00:32:01.549
Because he wanted to stalk his wife more? That's crazy.
609
00:32:02.309 --> 00:32:02.609
Right.
610
00:32:02.849 --> 00:32:05.569
Because he knew she wasn't even there. He wasn't even there.
611
00:32:05.970 --> 00:32:09.430
It's fucking incredible. So, yeah, he wanted evidence. He thought
612
00:32:09.450 --> 00:32:11.269
this was the perfect time to break into the plant
613
00:32:11.289 --> 00:32:14.019
because no one's there. Yeah. Break into the factory. So
614
00:32:14.059 --> 00:32:17.619
the prosecutor said he's incredibly foolish trying to plan a
615
00:32:17.660 --> 00:32:21.230
conspiracy from a jail cell. You're not a mob boss.
616
00:32:21.529 --> 00:32:23.259
This is not going to work. You don't have people
617
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:24.339
that are working for you.
618
00:32:24.779 --> 00:32:26.619
You don't have organized criminals. No.
619
00:32:26.700 --> 00:32:29.039
He said, obviously, we knew he was dangerous because of
620
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:32.759
the arson. But now he suggested doing something even more serious.
621
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:36.200
And then he also said, I know he really thought
622
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:38.480
he was going to get away with it. He really
623
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:42.880
thought this would work. Monty's a moron, I think it's
624
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:46.269
safe to say. He's a fucking moron. So in court,
625
00:32:46.529 --> 00:32:50.130
he's got– I mean he's on recording. talking to two cops,
626
00:32:50.170 --> 00:32:54.210
giving them specific and really detailed kidnapping instructions.
627
00:32:55.809 --> 00:32:58.210
Take two women and spring them from the joint.
628
00:32:58.690 --> 00:33:00.819
So he's got to plead guilty. I mean, otherwise he's
629
00:33:00.859 --> 00:33:03.670
going to jail forever. He's never getting out. So he
630
00:33:03.730 --> 00:33:06.660
pleads guilty to a Class B felony of arson, a
631
00:33:06.700 --> 00:33:10.339
Class C felony of burglary, then in the separate case
632
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:14.339
pleaded guilty to two counts of Class B felony conspiracy
633
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:18.359
to commit criminal confinement, which I guess is a little under-kidnapping. Yeah,
634
00:33:18.380 --> 00:33:20.799
that's the plea. Yeah. It's kidnapping without the stank on
635
00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:26.339
it there. Yeah. Yeah. So during sentencing here, the prosecutor said,
636
00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:30.230
I want a 39 year sentence. Don't care if you play.
637
00:33:30.250 --> 00:33:33.349
He said that the destruction of property, destruction of lives
638
00:33:33.450 --> 00:33:36.589
and the destruction of an industry in our town. This
639
00:33:36.609 --> 00:33:38.710
is like a terrorist act. Basically, they're saying you put
640
00:33:38.710 --> 00:33:42.039
350 people out of work. In a small town. Like,
641
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:43.140
that's crazy. Yeah.
642
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:45.920
He's about to make this place a tourist destination for
643
00:33:46.579 --> 00:33:47.359
bikers only.
644
00:33:47.539 --> 00:33:53.230
Yeah. Absolutely. Now, think about this. This is 2004. He
645
00:33:53.329 --> 00:33:57.329
shows photos in
court to prosecutors, big blown up side-by-side
646
00:33:57.410 --> 00:34:01.670
photos of the burned out factory and buildings that have
647
00:34:01.690 --> 00:34:06.130
been destroyed in Baghdad during the Iraq War. Oh, shit.
648
00:34:06.230 --> 00:34:09.659
They look exactly the same to me. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy.
649
00:34:09.820 --> 00:34:12.460
Surprised he didn't break out the World Trade Center picks.
650
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:15.840
A pile of rubble. You see a difference? He's a terrorist.
651
00:34:16.219 --> 00:34:19.860
Someone's paying for 9-11 and I propose it's Monty Cook.
652
00:34:19.940 --> 00:34:22.199
That's what I'm saying right now. If I had to say.
653
00:34:22.860 --> 00:34:25.070
The tower's at least left a cross. I don't see
654
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:25.769
a cross here.
655
00:34:25.809 --> 00:34:26.769
God doesn't love us.
656
00:34:27.130 --> 00:34:27.789
We're all fucked.
657
00:34:27.869 --> 00:34:32.610
We're all fucked. Sorry. So the factory owner, Clifton Reynolds,
658
00:34:32.630 --> 00:34:37.889
this fucking part owner of Mastercraft, um, He said he
659
00:34:37.909 --> 00:34:41.269
had extensive loss of property and equipment, loss to his employees,
660
00:34:41.329 --> 00:34:45.409
loss to his suppliers, vendors, everybody. If you have an
661
00:34:45.489 --> 00:34:47.320
order waiting, it's not going to be ready for a while.
662
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:51.000
Put it that way. He noted also that his personal loss.
663
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:53.860
He said the building was his father's dream, and he
664
00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:56.699
took over for his father. And he's built it up,
665
00:34:56.780 --> 00:34:58.699
and he said he was proud of his employee base
666
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:04.150
and wanted to settle in Shipsawana or Shipsawana, whatever it is. Now,
667
00:35:04.170 --> 00:35:07.590
the factory had to move to South Poplar Street in LaGrange.
668
00:35:07.610 --> 00:35:10.010
They had to find another place to be because they'd
669
00:35:10.030 --> 00:35:15.530
have to rebuild a 35,000-square-foot factory. So the prosecution says,
670
00:35:15.710 --> 00:35:20.170
let's do 39 years without any suspended and order him
671
00:35:20.230 --> 00:35:24.260
to repay damages as restitution, $ 7. 5 million in damages.
672
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:25.780
That's good enough.
673
00:35:25.820 --> 00:35:30.019
Yeah, for a guy who delivers RVs. That'll work. Yeah.
674
00:35:30.590 --> 00:35:33.050
He said to set the record straight, 39 years in
675
00:35:33.090 --> 00:35:37.130
jail is warranted considering all he has done. His defense
676
00:35:37.190 --> 00:35:39.489
attorney said, come on. I mean, the guy could be
677
00:35:39.809 --> 00:35:41.989
sure he burned a building down, put a whole industry
678
00:35:42.050 --> 00:35:44.900
out of business, but it was in a fit of passion.
679
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:47.320
So let's let it roll.
680
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:50.860
Fault him. He loves real hard. He just loves hard.
681
00:35:50.940 --> 00:35:54.619
And the conspiracy charges that he said, that's how they
682
00:35:54.659 --> 00:35:57.460
were construed. It could be construed as entrapment if you
683
00:35:57.500 --> 00:35:59.590
really think about it. So that shouldn't even be on here.
684
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:03.219
you know, he pled guilty to it. But let's be realistic.
685
00:36:03.260 --> 00:36:04.920
If we really went to court, we could say that
686
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:07.599
was probably, you know, entrapment. Who knows if that would
687
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:13.090
even stand? And his mental state was compromised. And he
688
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:16.690
also challenged the amount of damages stressed by the prosecution,
689
00:36:17.170 --> 00:36:19.110
saying that it was less than that. It wasn't seven
690
00:36:19.130 --> 00:36:22.670
and a half million. That's a overblown estimate. And then
691
00:36:22.809 --> 00:36:26.090
also says that he should give him concurrent sentences, not
692
00:36:26.659 --> 00:36:30.980
consecutive sentences before the kidnapping plots and the arson. They
693
00:36:31.019 --> 00:36:33.380
should just all go together rather than laying them out
694
00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:36.380
like that. Monty has to talk. He has to say
695
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:37.460
something during sentencing.
696
00:36:38.139 --> 00:36:39.260
Show your passion, Monty.
697
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:42.239
He has to sit there. He said that, quote, if
698
00:36:42.340 --> 00:36:47.409
I could change everything, I would. I'm extremely sorry. Apologize
699
00:36:47.449 --> 00:36:50.250
to my family, especially my daughter, for putting them through this.
700
00:36:51.349 --> 00:36:52.050
Unbelievable.
701
00:36:52.230 --> 00:36:56.420
And they say, you, sir, may fuck off. Four years
702
00:36:56.840 --> 00:36:59.869
at the Indiana Department of Corrections for the burglary. That's
703
00:36:59.889 --> 00:37:04.530
just the burglary. 20 years for arson. Those are concurrent,
704
00:37:04.590 --> 00:37:09.179
so 20 years. And in the conspiracy to commit criminal confinement,
705
00:37:09.219 --> 00:37:12.880
he was ordered to serve an extra 15 years twice,
706
00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:18.139
so 30 years altogether for those. So basically they gave
707
00:37:18.219 --> 00:37:21.570
him– when it all adds up. It was 30 years,
708
00:37:21.590 --> 00:37:23.050
but then they broke it. He said, I'll do it
709
00:37:23.849 --> 00:37:26.010
concurrent because he was saying, like, I could lay him out,
710
00:37:26.050 --> 00:37:28.150
but I'm going to do it this way. So basically
711
00:37:28.250 --> 00:37:31.210
it's 35 years is what he got, 20 years and
712
00:37:31.269 --> 00:37:36.130
then 15 years basically. So that's what he's got, 35 years.
713
00:37:36.610 --> 00:37:39.210
The prosecutor said, I think Judge Brown was very fair
714
00:37:39.269 --> 00:37:46.170
considering the destruction. And that's that. Now, the 2018 here
715
00:37:46.210 --> 00:37:48.880
is when he gets out of jail. So he's in
716
00:37:48.889 --> 00:37:51.599
for 15 years. He does half the time, basically. Half
717
00:37:51.619 --> 00:37:55.000
of it, yeah. Gets out, and then that's when he's
718
00:37:55.019 --> 00:37:58.400
hanging out around here helping David Brumley fix up his
719
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:01.860
Mustang and, you know, hanging out doing housework and delivering
720
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:03.980
RV parts because what else is he going to do?
721
00:38:04.019 --> 00:38:06.400
He just got out of prison for being one of
722
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:08.739
the worst people in the area. Like, everyone in the area,
723
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:11.460
he's the guy. Everybody's got to be mad at him. Yeah.
724
00:38:11.579 --> 00:38:13.099
I went to high school with this one guy who
725
00:38:13.139 --> 00:38:15.179
burned down that whole factory. I went to high school
726
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:17.199
with that guy. Remember him? Like, that's what they're all
727
00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:18.090
talking about. Jerk.
728
00:38:18.409 --> 00:38:19.130
Almost ruined it.
729
00:38:19.349 --> 00:38:25.210
Yeah. October 31st, 2018, David Brumley gets a bank loan.
730
00:38:25.809 --> 00:38:28.949
His furnace broke. Yeah. And that's one of those things
731
00:38:28.989 --> 00:38:34.820
that you need a new furnace. It's October in Indiana. Right.
732
00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:37.079
It's November's tomorrow. You better get cash.
733
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:38.360
Taking out a loan.
734
00:38:38.619 --> 00:38:42.260
Ouch. That's brutal, man. It's brutal. But that's how so
735
00:38:42.300 --> 00:38:45.760
many people live. How many years was that? I remember
736
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:48.340
sitting in terror of something like that breaking because I
737
00:38:48.380 --> 00:38:52.539
can't fix it. So he gets this $ 5, 000 loan to
738
00:38:52.579 --> 00:38:55.460
fix his furnace from the bank. Then the next day,
739
00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:58.460
he doesn't show up for work. Strange. He's a pretty
740
00:38:58.500 --> 00:39:01.440
dependable guy. The next day, he doesn't show up for
741
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:02.980
work on November 2nd.
742
00:39:03.019 --> 00:39:05.559
This furnace has taken a long time to install.
743
00:39:05.659 --> 00:39:08.500
Wild. So that's a Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. He doesn't come
744
00:39:08.539 --> 00:39:13.860
to work. So that's odd. Then Saturday, November 3rd, 2018–
745
00:39:14.349 --> 00:39:17.099
is when they decide, where is he? Somebody calls to
746
00:39:17.139 --> 00:39:19.099
get a welfare check on him. They don't even know
747
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:22.360
if he's home. So check it out. So it's a
748
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:25.969
Saturday at about 1 p.m., and officers go to his residence.
749
00:39:26.030 --> 00:39:28.349
I won't give his exact address, but it's West South
750
00:39:28.389 --> 00:39:33.150
Street for a welfare check. When they enter the home,
751
00:39:33.210 --> 00:39:35.300
first of all, they see that the Mustang is not
752
00:39:35.340 --> 00:39:38.659
in the garage. So they're like, okay, maybe he took
753
00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:40.880
the Mustang somewhere. Not like him at all to.
754
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:43.420
Do this, but three-day ride in a Mustang?
755
00:39:43.460 --> 00:39:47.039
That's expensive. Three-day stag ride he's going for. Then they
756
00:39:47.099 --> 00:39:49.000
open the door to his house because they have to
757
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:51.179
do a welfare check, too, to make sure because someone
758
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:54.510
asked for it. And in the entry room of Brumley's home,
759
00:39:54.630 --> 00:39:59.369
they find scraps of black electrical tape and clear packaging tape,
760
00:39:59.489 --> 00:40:03.389
little pieces ripped off, scraps of it everywhere. That's funny.
761
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:06.900
They also find a cardboard box right up there by
762
00:40:06.940 --> 00:40:12.349
the front door. containing a white disposable dust mask, multiple
763
00:40:12.590 --> 00:40:17.030
used zip ties, two belt loops from a pair of
764
00:40:17.050 --> 00:40:21.000
blue jeans, just the loops, one of which had a
765
00:40:21.059 --> 00:40:25.360
zip tie fastened to it tightly. Yeah. These are all
766
00:40:25.420 --> 00:40:28.300
very strange things that they're finding. Then they go into
767
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:28.579
the bedroom.
768
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:31.440
But it's all the things that, Somebody with a Mustang has.
769
00:40:31.460 --> 00:40:33.119
You got to have a lot of tape and zip ties.
770
00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:34.800
Yeah, you got to have zip ties. Yeah, you got
771
00:40:34.820 --> 00:40:35.239
to have those.
772
00:40:35.260 --> 00:40:36.079
Put it back together.
773
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:38.199
I don't know why you would zip tie a belt loop.
774
00:40:38.500 --> 00:40:41.460
That doesn't make a lot of sense. Nope, unless you're seatbelt, bro.
775
00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:44.760
It's a lot of weird shit. So they go into
776
00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:48.579
his bedroom and they find David in there. He's seen
777
00:40:48.619 --> 00:40:50.960
better days. Let's put it that way. He's been here
778
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.639
for three days and it's not good. Oh, shit. His
779
00:40:53.699 --> 00:40:57.099
body is kind of wedged between the bed and the wall,
780
00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:00.929
like in a bad motel room, you know. And his
781
00:41:01.030 --> 00:41:03.969
head is covered by this. They can't even see his face.
782
00:41:03.989 --> 00:41:05.190
They don't even know if it's him at first. His
783
00:41:05.230 --> 00:41:08.170
head is covered by a pillowcase and a black plastic
784
00:41:08.210 --> 00:41:08.869
garbage bag.
785
00:41:09.610 --> 00:41:10.090
Oh, no.
786
00:41:10.469 --> 00:41:13.929
It's horrifying. The pillowcase was secured over his head by
787
00:41:14.050 --> 00:41:17.039
black electrical tape, which was wrapped
around his neck. This
788
00:41:17.099 --> 00:41:18.559
is a nightmare. Fucking nightmare.
789
00:41:18.579 --> 00:41:19.070
The worst.
790
00:41:19.570 --> 00:41:22.789
Then the garbage bag was secured over the pillowcase. He
791
00:41:22.829 --> 00:41:26.150
made sure that David couldn't chew through it or something. Right.
792
00:41:26.530 --> 00:41:29.650
That was secured over the pillowcase by clear packaging tape,
793
00:41:29.690 --> 00:41:31.210
which was wrapped around this face.
794
00:41:32.329 --> 00:41:32.889
Oh, no.
795
00:41:32.989 --> 00:41:36.539
So imagine finding this. This would be a disturbing fucking
796
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:38.400
thing to find, this poor guy. You don't.
797
00:41:38.929 --> 00:41:41.909
Expect that whoever did that gives a fuck whether this
798
00:41:41.949 --> 00:41:43.070
person lives or dies.
799
00:41:43.309 --> 00:41:45.710
Well, no, they're trying to kill him, obviously.
800
00:41:45.750 --> 00:41:47.750
Yeah, you can't breathe through that.
801
00:41:47.949 --> 00:41:52.139
No, no. He also had electrical tape wrapped around, tightly
802
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:55.360
around his right wrist, and he was wearing a pair
803
00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:59.039
of blue jeans with two missing belt loops. Yeah. Hey,
804
00:41:59.099 --> 00:42:02.969
look at that. We solved the puzzle. Yep. And an
805
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:07.070
autopsy reveals that he died from asphyxia. due to ligature,
806
00:42:07.170 --> 00:42:10.429
neck compression, and suffocation. So they didn't just suffocate him,
807
00:42:10.789 --> 00:42:13.889
put that on and strangle him out. God damn it.
808
00:42:14.219 --> 00:42:16.550
This is the best line in the whole story that
809
00:42:16.590 --> 00:42:18.840
I read. I don't even know why a reporter would
810
00:42:18.860 --> 00:42:23.579
put this. His death was ruled a homicide. No shit. Really?
811
00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:27.699
You think? Well, I guess if you saw what happened
812
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:31.039
to the Kung Fu guy, you'd probably think he couldn't
813
00:42:31.059 --> 00:42:33.800
have done that to himself. That made him cum? Shit. Okay,
814
00:42:33.820 --> 00:42:36.829
never mind. I guess he did.
815
00:42:37.429 --> 00:42:41.139
I hate when they fucking... Just say he died of strangulation.
816
00:42:41.840 --> 00:42:44.440
And we're not investigating. Just say accidental death.
817
00:42:44.460 --> 00:42:45.579
The man's mom reads this.
818
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:50.219
Yeah. Accidental death will work just fine. It's all good.
819
00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:52.409
I don't need to know all the details. I really don't.
820
00:42:53.150 --> 00:42:54.769
I mean, I want to, but I don't need to
821
00:42:54.829 --> 00:42:55.409
is what I'm saying.
822
00:42:55.530 --> 00:42:56.929
It is funny. I agree.
823
00:42:56.969 --> 00:43:00.170
Exactly. It is good for jokes for 30 years. But
824
00:43:00.210 --> 00:43:03.650
besides that... But his poor mother. Yeah. His mother's got
825
00:43:03.670 --> 00:43:06.610
to be hurt. So his friends and family now, people
826
00:43:06.630 --> 00:43:11.320
that know him reacting, know David Brumley here. Brumley's childhood friend, Sandra,
827
00:43:11.739 --> 00:43:14.800
said of his death that it's on everyone's mind. She said,
828
00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:18.139
I think it's suspicious, but the cops are keeping hush-hush
829
00:43:18.179 --> 00:43:21.090
about it. We don't know what they know. That's when
830
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:23.150
it first came out. They didn't tell everybody, hey, he
831
00:43:23.170 --> 00:43:24.829
was found with all this weird shit on his head
832
00:43:24.869 --> 00:43:27.030
and everything like that. They just said he was found
833
00:43:27.469 --> 00:43:29.949
dead in his house and we think it's homicide. She
834
00:43:29.989 --> 00:43:32.710
said it was her brother who noticed Brumley was missing
835
00:43:32.909 --> 00:43:34.929
several days of work in a row, and he's the
836
00:43:34.989 --> 00:43:38.400
one who notified the police. She said, my brother called
837
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:40.860
his brother, and he sent some of his friends down
838
00:43:40.900 --> 00:43:43.960
there to check on him. They called the police. Then
839
00:43:44.019 --> 00:43:46.219
everything got roped off, and no one was allowed in.
840
00:43:47.340 --> 00:43:51.670
They said then everything stopped as far as what we know. Now, publicly,
841
00:43:52.889 --> 00:43:57.559
they said it was– That they wasn't publicly there. They're
842
00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:00.000
really not saying anything about his death or any of
843
00:44:00.019 --> 00:44:02.840
the details. All they're saying is he was found and
844
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:07.530
they have ruled it a homicide. Yeah. That's it. She
845
00:44:07.570 --> 00:44:10.050
has her own theory of what went on because why not?
846
00:44:10.730 --> 00:44:14.630
They're like finding weird people named Kelly's theory. Let's see. Oh,
847
00:44:14.869 --> 00:44:17.989
Sandra's her name. Sandra Kelly. She said, I know they're
848
00:44:18.030 --> 00:44:21.349
calling it a death investigation, but I believe he got murdered.
849
00:44:21.670 --> 00:44:25.500
But I don't know that for sure. You got it.
850
00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:27.420
She also says.
851
00:44:28.099 --> 00:44:31.769
If they say death and investigation, they think that too.
852
00:44:31.789 --> 00:44:34.110
They're pretty sure. And that's why they're looking. They're pretty
853
00:44:34.150 --> 00:44:37.469
fucking sure of it, yeah. If they found him at
854
00:44:37.570 --> 00:44:40.369
the hometown buffet or at the Golden Corral holding his
855
00:44:40.449 --> 00:44:42.429
chest on the ground, they'd go, that's probably a heart attack.
856
00:44:42.469 --> 00:44:45.219
We probably could clear this one up pretty quick. We don't...
857
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:50.420
Very little investigation. No. So this woman said here that
858
00:44:50.739 --> 00:44:54.289
this death
has left the whole town terrified. But she
859
00:44:54.349 --> 00:44:56.909
thinks if they find the missing car, that'll lead to
860
00:44:56.949 --> 00:44:59.670
the answers. God, she is real good. She is a
861
00:44:59.730 --> 00:45:02.530
detective there, Sandra. Somebody swear this bitch in.
862
00:45:02.550 --> 00:45:03.750
She knows everything.
863
00:45:03.829 --> 00:45:10.019
Yeah. Now, November 2018, this month right now, he's wanted,
864
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:13.000
Monty Cook is wanted for several things, by the way.
865
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:17.199
There's two arrest warrants issued for him in November by
866
00:45:17.380 --> 00:45:21.400
judges in Randolph County. On November 5th, he was charged
867
00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:24.909
with theft, a level six felony. carrying a standard one
868
00:45:24.949 --> 00:45:28.449
year jail term. Four days later, he was charged with
869
00:45:28.530 --> 00:45:32.349
two counts of arson, more arson. He likes to burn shit.
870
00:45:32.389 --> 00:45:35.889
This guy. Absolutely. Yep. Um, the more serious of the
871
00:45:35.969 --> 00:45:39.139
arson charges is a level four felony with a standard
872
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:42.840
six year sentence. In that case, he's accused of all
873
00:45:42.860 --> 00:45:45.579
the way back on July 25th, a few months ago,
874
00:45:46.019 --> 00:45:48.199
setting fire to a house. He was in the middle
875
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:53.070
of buying on a contract. So I can't imagine why
876
00:45:53.139 --> 00:45:54.940
the guy wouldn't give him the price he wanted or something,
877
00:45:54.980 --> 00:45:57.460
trying to negotiate. That's a hell of a way to
878
00:45:57.820 --> 00:45:59.980
back out of an agreement. Either I get it for
879
00:46:00.019 --> 00:46:03.679
my price or I burn it to the ground. Either
880
00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:05.530
I get my wife or I burn it to the ground.
881
00:46:05.630 --> 00:46:06.869
That's his answer for everything.
882
00:46:07.550 --> 00:46:09.869
He was sentenced to 35, only did 15, so he's
883
00:46:09.929 --> 00:46:11.869
technically on the hook for those other 20 if.
884
00:46:11.750 --> 00:46:14.500
He fucks up, right? Exactly. Yes, that's why they want
885
00:46:14.739 --> 00:46:17.300
to find him, but they can't find him now. That's
886
00:46:17.340 --> 00:46:20.179
the thing. He's charged with this, and warrants are out,
887
00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:21.719
but they don't have him in possession. They don't know
888
00:46:21.739 --> 00:46:24.659
where the hell he is. So that's pretty crazy. That
889
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:27.469
was in the 600 block of South High Street, by
890
00:46:27.510 --> 00:46:31.010
the way, the house he burned down. He was charged
891
00:46:31.030 --> 00:46:34.130
with auto theft on November 2nd, resulting in a third
892
00:46:34.269 --> 00:46:39.409
active arrest warrant for him. He's described as 5'9, 200 pounds,
893
00:46:39.550 --> 00:46:43.550
brown hair, green eyes, wearing glasses, and, quote, recently seen
894
00:46:43.690 --> 00:46:48.989
limping on his right side. Oh, okay. December 8th, the
895
00:46:49.050 --> 00:46:52.320
police finally released, for a whole month, they say nothing
896
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:56.420
publicly about David Brumley's death. Nothing. Then on December 8th,
897
00:46:56.579 --> 00:47:00.260
they finally identify the person of interest they've been talking
898
00:47:00.300 --> 00:47:02.320
about for the last month. We have a person of interest,
899
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:05.969
but no suspects. They say this person of interest is
900
00:47:06.110 --> 00:47:09.610
Monty Cook, and he's got a shitload of felony warrants
901
00:47:09.710 --> 00:47:12.329
out for both theft and arson. So if you see him,
902
00:47:12.369 --> 00:47:14.909
don't approach him, but definitely give a little ringy-ding to
903
00:47:14.949 --> 00:47:18.000
the old police force there. Now, what evidence do they
904
00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:19.760
have on him? Do they have any evidence that he
905
00:47:19.780 --> 00:47:21.780
did this, or do they just think he's a bad guy?
906
00:47:23.099 --> 00:47:24.840
Right away, you'd go, well, he didn't burn the house down.
907
00:47:24.900 --> 00:47:26.340
That's a sign that it might not be him.
908
00:47:26.619 --> 00:47:29.139
There's a dead person. That's not his thing, usually.
909
00:47:29.300 --> 00:47:33.869
Not so far. Then they find fingerprints on these scraps
910
00:47:33.929 --> 00:47:38.389
of tape that are identified as Monty Cook's. But then again...
911
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:40.409
I mean, that's bad that that's a tape around him,
912
00:47:40.429 --> 00:47:42.530
but he's there all the time working. Maybe he held
913
00:47:42.590 --> 00:47:46.309
a roll of tape. But then they found partial DNA
914
00:47:46.389 --> 00:47:50.570
profiles on the dust mask that was determined to be
915
00:47:50.670 --> 00:47:54.210
consistent with both David Brumley's DNA and a very strong
916
00:47:54.269 --> 00:47:58.150
match for Monty Cook's DNA. Uh-oh. That's not good. But again,
917
00:47:58.190 --> 00:48:00.710
he's there all the time. Maybe they were sanding something
918
00:48:00.849 --> 00:48:02.289
out and he put a mask on.
919
00:48:02.289 --> 00:48:03.650
Sharing a mask.
920
00:48:03.710 --> 00:48:06.889
Exactly. Who knows how many masks they had? Who knows? Yeah.
921
00:48:07.670 --> 00:48:11.380
As part of this, though, police obtained the internet browsing
922
00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:15.340
history associated with two Google email addresses that Monty Cook
923
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:17.420
is known to use. And that's where we get the
924
00:48:17.460 --> 00:48:20.579
fun stuff. Here we go. Fun weekend. It is awesome.
925
00:48:20.820 --> 00:48:24.239
Here's some searches he made in the two weeks before
926
00:48:24.340 --> 00:48:30.349
David Brumley's death. I'll give you a few. Jobs outside
927
00:48:30.409 --> 00:48:34.190
the U.S., That's fine. I mean, you're not allowed to
928
00:48:34.250 --> 00:48:37.250
leave even the state, I'm sure, but whatever. Maybe you're
929
00:48:37.269 --> 00:48:40.780
just curious. Probably have to ask to leave your house. Probably.
930
00:48:41.539 --> 00:48:44.900
How to disappear off the grid. Okay, getting worse. Uh-oh.
931
00:48:45.690 --> 00:48:48.489
But maybe he's just interested in conservation. Maybe that's all
932
00:48:48.530 --> 00:48:50.489
it is. Maybe he just doesn't want to, you know,
933
00:48:50.869 --> 00:48:53.150
put any more shit in the world. Who knows?
934
00:48:53.250 --> 00:48:55.730
Living off-grid doesn't necessarily mean leaving town.
935
00:48:55.750 --> 00:48:56.909
No, no, no. That could just mean I'm going to
936
00:48:56.929 --> 00:48:59.630
live in that field and not be hooked up to county,
937
00:48:59.989 --> 00:49:03.429
you know, water. Exactly. Who knows? Maybe he's just trying
938
00:49:03.449 --> 00:49:06.250
to be self-sufficient. Then it gets a little weirder, though.
939
00:49:06.429 --> 00:49:09.769
How to get fake Social Security cards. I don't know.
940
00:49:10.150 --> 00:49:12.730
I don't know a law-abiding answer to that one.
941
00:49:13.570 --> 00:49:16.159
I don't know that there's a... a Google search that's
942
00:49:16.179 --> 00:49:17.280
going to give you that answer.
943
00:49:17.300 --> 00:49:20.300
Probably not. I mean, maybe the dark web or something.
944
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:20.679
Yeah.
945
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:23.500
Is there any poison which cannot be detected?
946
00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:25.349
Oh, my God.
947
00:49:25.429 --> 00:49:27.670
Judging by how David was killed, I'm going to say
948
00:49:27.710 --> 00:49:30.110
that the answer is no to that one probably. Yeah.
949
00:49:31.300 --> 00:49:32.320
Nothing he could get anyway.
950
00:49:33.340 --> 00:49:35.340
That's what he that's what it came up. Yeah, you're right.
951
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:38.320
Then his second thought is, well, I can burn it, obviously,
952
00:49:38.340 --> 00:49:41.369
because that's this guy. Whether you can get DNA from
953
00:49:41.409 --> 00:49:44.789
a burned body, quote unquote. He said, if I kill him,
954
00:49:44.809 --> 00:49:49.030
then burn the house down. Can I get DNA? Then
955
00:49:49.309 --> 00:49:52.719
how fast does it take a body to burn? Well,
956
00:49:52.739 --> 00:49:53.579
that depends on fire.
957
00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:54.860
We've done a lot of shows.
958
00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:57.190
It takes a long time because you're not going to
959
00:49:57.230 --> 00:49:57.809
get it that hot.
960
00:49:57.929 --> 00:50:01.050
No. You need to have a goddamn incinerator. Yeah. Like
961
00:50:01.309 --> 00:50:02.170
at the funeral home.
962
00:50:02.690 --> 00:50:03.570
Thousands of degrees.
963
00:50:03.670 --> 00:50:06.210
Thousands of degrees. Yeah. Bodies do not burn up easy.
964
00:50:07.170 --> 00:50:10.250
Can you dissolve a body in acid? I happen to
965
00:50:10.289 --> 00:50:12.570
know that for a fact. The answer is yes. Yes.
966
00:50:12.739 --> 00:50:14.480
Because I know a guy. Gangster guy.
967
00:50:14.489 --> 00:50:15.650
Just takes a long time, too.
968
00:50:15.809 --> 00:50:18.329
Whose brother was like kind of a specialty in that.
969
00:50:19.030 --> 00:50:20.860
They had buckets and they would dissolve body parts.
970
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:22.380
He's got to get real strong acid.
971
00:50:22.500 --> 00:50:24.980
Yeah. You got to be patient. That's the other thing.
972
00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:26.960
They got to have buckets and shit. Then he looked
973
00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:31.440
up 2004 Mustang, but it's a 2006 Mustang. He's just confused.
974
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:37.210
Next up, trunk size in 2004 Mustang. What? So you see,
975
00:50:37.230 --> 00:50:39.369
maybe I'll kidnap him and take him somewhere. Maybe I'll
976
00:50:39.409 --> 00:50:46.110
do this. Then cabins in the Tennessee mountains. Okay. Okay.
977
00:50:47.230 --> 00:50:52.449
That's before the murder. Yeah. Then after the death, now
978
00:50:52.489 --> 00:50:57.800
he's got more searches here. Quote, jobs in the Bahamas. Oh.
979
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:01.139
He's like, I want to hear steel drums while I
980
00:51:01.179 --> 00:51:01.880
run from this shit.
981
00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:03.679
I need a vacation.
982
00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:10.900
Yep. How to disappear. That's pretty straightforward. Winchester, Indiana, murder investigation.
983
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:11.860
Okay.
984
00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:15.610
Oh. how can I buy a legit social security number
985
00:51:15.710 --> 00:51:16.849
and a fake passport?
986
00:51:17.389 --> 00:51:18.469
He still hasn't gotten that one.
987
00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:20.400
He's still got that one he's working on. He's got
988
00:51:20.420 --> 00:51:22.719
to get out of here. This is my favorite search
989
00:51:22.739 --> 00:51:26.079
of all time. I don't know what he expected to
990
00:51:26.099 --> 00:51:31.570
glean from this. What result could possibly you get from this? Quote,
991
00:51:32.030 --> 00:51:36.070
had a run from the law with no money. He
992
00:51:36.090 --> 00:51:38.389
basically said, how to buy a house with no money down.
993
00:51:38.630 --> 00:51:40.949
But he said it like, how can I get it?
994
00:51:41.949 --> 00:51:43.429
There is no way to run for the law with
995
00:51:43.469 --> 00:51:45.469
no money. That's the answer to that. Hide in a
996
00:51:45.469 --> 00:51:46.849
hole in the woods. I don't know what to tell you.
997
00:51:47.550 --> 00:51:50.730
I do appreciate and enjoy the spiral that he's on.
998
00:51:50.869 --> 00:51:51.829
It is very funny.
999
00:51:52.050 --> 00:51:53.090
It's hilarious.
1000
00:51:53.949 --> 00:51:56.530
Because he's getting to, you know, it's like you can
1001
00:51:56.650 --> 00:52:01.590
see the, you can literally see the gears spinning.
1002
00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:02.610
It's hilarious.
1003
00:52:03.050 --> 00:52:05.280
And that last part is like, oh, I have no
money.
1004
00:52:06.739 --> 00:52:09.039
How do I buy this and I don't even have
1005
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:11.300
any money? Never mind. How do I run without money?
1006
00:52:11.340 --> 00:52:12.119
That'll start there.
1007
00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:15.420
You end up getting to the very first Google search
1008
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:16.860
you should have plugged in. Yeah.
1009
00:52:18.139 --> 00:52:22.579
Well, then he's looking for inspiration, obviously, with, quote, fugitives
1010
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:25.739
on the run the longest. He's like, what did they do?
1011
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:28.280
Maybe I can match that up. Then he looks up
1012
00:52:28.409 --> 00:52:31.389
Monty Cook, Indiana, to see if there's any articles about
1013
00:52:31.429 --> 00:52:34.349
anybody looking for him. And then he said, what's the
1014
00:52:34.409 --> 00:52:38.550
longest people have stayed hid that were wanted for murder?
1015
00:52:39.989 --> 00:52:44.489
So never mind fugitives, specific fugitives of murder. Maybe he's
1016
00:52:44.510 --> 00:52:50.110
got to hone it. Then he visited websites with news
1017
00:52:50.190 --> 00:52:54.400
articles with these headlines. Police looking for Mustang taken from
1018
00:52:54.460 --> 00:52:57.840
dead man's home in Winchester. Police looking for a vehicle
1019
00:52:57.940 --> 00:53:01.940
missing from deceased person's residence. And man wanted in connection
1020
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:08.150
with death investigation in Winchester. Wow. So he's reading online
1021
00:53:08.210 --> 00:53:11.340
all about the investigation as much as he can. And
1022
00:53:11.380 --> 00:53:16.130
by the way, two days before the murder, Cook's girlfriend, yes,
1023
00:53:16.429 --> 00:53:20.989
this guy has a girlfriend. Stop it. This dude in
1024
00:53:21.030 --> 00:53:23.949
his 50s who's just gotten out of prison for fucking
1025
00:53:24.150 --> 00:53:30.059
arson for all this time. No money. Keep it going. Kidnapping.
1026
00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:33.559
The reasons are numerous why he should be beaten off
1027
00:53:33.639 --> 00:53:34.099
every day.
1028
00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:37.900
I do not want to hear anybody say they can't
1029
00:53:37.980 --> 00:53:41.909
find somebody. Lower your standards and find someone because they're
1030
00:53:41.949 --> 00:53:44.360
out there. That's it. They're out there. This is unbelievable.
1031
00:53:44.380 --> 00:53:47.860
They're always out there. So she reported that he was
1032
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:52.440
missing and possibly on the run at that time because
1033
00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:57.489
of an ongoing arson-related investigation. Yeah. So if that's not enough,
1034
00:53:57.510 --> 00:54:00.570
that's pretty good proof. And the DNA is decent proof.
1035
00:54:01.389 --> 00:54:03.389
But if you've got a really good lawyer in there,
1036
00:54:04.090 --> 00:54:07.679
it's possible. Probably, yeah. Then they also have bank footage
1037
00:54:07.739 --> 00:54:12.219
from November 1st, 2018. That's the day after Brumley got
1038
00:54:12.260 --> 00:54:15.769
the bank loan and was last seen alive. Security cameras
1039
00:54:15.809 --> 00:54:20.610
at a Winchester bank recorded Cook depositing Brumley's loan check
1040
00:54:20.889 --> 00:54:23.250
into his own checking account.
1041
00:54:24.349 --> 00:54:26.710
He stole money the man didn't even have.
1042
00:54:28.030 --> 00:54:29.690
He just had it like wrote it over to him
1043
00:54:29.789 --> 00:54:32.429
and deposited it in his fucking shit. Or he got
1044
00:54:32.449 --> 00:54:33.829
a cashier's check or whatever it was.
1045
00:54:34.389 --> 00:54:36.530
Is there a scummy or crime?
1046
00:54:36.769 --> 00:54:40.650
This dude is a complete piece of shit scumbag, isn't he?
1047
00:54:41.019 --> 00:54:42.059
The worst person.
1048
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:47.119
He sucks so bad. So cameras at other Winchester locations
1049
00:54:47.300 --> 00:54:52.090
also recorded Cook driving Brumley's Mustang, using Brumley's debit card
1050
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:55.489
to make purchases and withdraw cash. Within three days, he
1051
00:54:55.530 --> 00:54:59.269
had spent and withdrawn over $ 2, 500 of Brumley's money as well.
1052
00:54:59.889 --> 00:55:00.769
This is shocking.
1053
00:55:00.929 --> 00:55:04.550
This is fucking amazing. So he went in, deposited the
1054
00:55:04.590 --> 00:55:08.090
check into Brumley's checking account because otherwise he couldn't get it,
1055
00:55:08.190 --> 00:55:10.679
and then just used his card to use all the
1056
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:13.280
money that he wanted to. Unbelievable. So the police are
1057
00:55:13.340 --> 00:55:16.400
looking for Monty. They can't find him. Through December, they're
1058
00:55:16.420 --> 00:55:18.619
looking for him. They can't find him. The car is
1059
00:55:18.679 --> 00:55:23.619
found finally. The car is found, 2006 Ford Mustang GT,
1060
00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:25.380
found in Marion, Arkansas.
1061
00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:27.440
Oh, it went the other way.
1062
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:31.090
About 12 miles northwest of Memphis. So that's where that
1063
00:55:31.110 --> 00:55:34.739
was found. Then Monty's car a couple days later was found.
1064
00:55:34.780 --> 00:55:38.980
His pickup truck was found abandoned in Winchester. So now
1065
00:55:39.019 --> 00:55:41.820
he's got– those are the two vehicles he had access to.
1066
00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:46.300
Where are they? He is gone. They're looking for him
1067
00:55:46.340 --> 00:55:48.860
for about five months. They can't find this fucking guy.
1068
00:55:48.940 --> 00:55:49.960
He has no money, no connections.
1069
00:55:49.980 --> 00:55:51.820
He's got to be in the mountains of Tennessee, right?
1070
00:55:52.179 --> 00:55:53.760
Absolutely the complete opposite.
1071
00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:55.119
What?
1072
00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:57.679
He is in the fucking desert. That's where he is.
1073
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:00.519
He's in Kingman,
Arizona is where he is.
1074
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:02.389
Of course he is.
1075
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:06.170
He said, where will I fit in? Oh, that's the
1076
00:56:06.210 --> 00:56:10.190
scummiest fucking town in America. How about there? Just down
1077
00:56:10.230 --> 00:56:13.090
the river from Laughlin. They'll look at me and go, well,
1078
00:56:13.110 --> 00:56:15.329
at least he's not picking meth sores. What a good guy.
1079
00:56:15.369 --> 00:56:19.329
I'll get any job I want in Kingman. Wow. April 19th,
1080
00:56:19.309 --> 00:56:25.119
2019 in Kingman, he is arrested. At that point– Unbelievable.
1081
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:28.000
He's charged in Indiana with a count of murder, two
1082
00:56:28.059 --> 00:56:33.619
counts of a level six felony theft, and one count
1083
00:56:33.659 --> 00:56:38.250
of a class A misdemeanor theft. Apparently, he's also held
1084
00:56:38.289 --> 00:56:42.110
in Arizona awaiting the extradition on local charges in Arizona,
1085
00:56:43.190 --> 00:56:47.289
taking an identity of another, possession of marijuana, and credit
1086
00:56:47.309 --> 00:56:47.869
card theft.
1087
00:56:48.690 --> 00:56:49.809
That's how they caught him.
1088
00:56:49.969 --> 00:56:51.829
That's how they got him. Well, what he did– you
1089
00:56:51.869 --> 00:56:55.079
know how he got to Arizona– He hitchhiked a ride
1090
00:56:55.139 --> 00:57:00.360
from Arkansas to Nevada with Alexander Gross, who's a guy
1091
00:57:00.539 --> 00:57:05.079
that Cook met online. Another guy traveling. It was like, hey,
1092
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:07.659
people looking for people to ride with them places so
1093
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:08.320
they don't get bored.
1094
00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:11.000
He just drove the Mustang down there, parked it, and
1095
00:57:11.019 --> 00:57:11.760
jumped in his car.
1096
00:57:11.960 --> 00:57:15.349
Jumped in his car. Once in Nevada, Cook robbed Gross
1097
00:57:15.409 --> 00:57:20.030
at knife point. and forced him to drive him to Arizona,
1098
00:57:20.190 --> 00:57:23.300
then forced Gross to rent him a hotel room before
1099
00:57:23.340 --> 00:57:23.889
letting him go.
1100
00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:25.460
Oh, my.
1101
00:57:25.659 --> 00:57:27.239
That's how they caught him. This guy went to the
1102
00:57:27.260 --> 00:57:29.599
cops and said, yeah, no, that guy, I know what
1103
00:57:29.659 --> 00:57:31.019
room he's in. You can just go get him. I
1104
00:57:31.059 --> 00:57:34.239
had to rent the room. It's under my name. Trust me.
1105
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:39.750
Go ask for me. So this guy is a jerk-off,
1106
00:57:40.650 --> 00:57:42.949
a dangerous jerk-off, I think would be the best way
1107
00:57:42.969 --> 00:57:43.489
to put it, right?
1108
00:57:43.940 --> 00:57:47.909
I can't believe how dangerous he is. Think about that.
1109
00:57:49.780 --> 00:57:50.889
Nothing is above him.
1110
00:57:51.210 --> 00:57:55.190
Nothing is beneath him, yeah. Beneath him. Above or beneath.
1111
00:57:55.289 --> 00:57:55.809
Either way.
1112
00:57:57.250 --> 00:57:58.150
He'll do anything.
1113
00:57:58.869 --> 00:58:01.449
Nothing's above him or below him. It doesn't matter. He's
1114
00:58:01.510 --> 00:58:05.590
a fucking mess. Those searches of just the, hmm, what
1115
00:58:05.610 --> 00:58:09.079
about this thought? How about that? No, that's a bad idea. Okay.
1116
00:58:09.420 --> 00:58:13.719
The spiral of desperation is very evident, and he is
1117
00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:18.110
willing to do absolutely anything to survive and not be caught.
1118
00:58:18.489 --> 00:58:22.429
Imagine if you're this guy's girlfriend. You're like, whew, bullet dodged.
1119
00:58:22.590 --> 00:58:23.070
Holy shit.
1120
00:58:23.090 --> 00:58:24.610
Thank God. I would have been dead.
1121
00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:28.260
Oh, yeah. No shit. So this is this guy, all
1122
00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:31.860
the things he done, the increasing desperation, I'll kill the guy.
1123
00:58:32.699 --> 00:58:38.059
This is all for what? Right. He got Monty's Mustang
1124
00:58:38.139 --> 00:58:41.300
and spent $ 2, 500 of his money. That's all he got
1125
00:58:41.340 --> 00:58:41.679
out of that.
1126
00:58:42.199 --> 00:58:47.730
James, money that he did not even have. It was
1127
00:58:47.769 --> 00:58:48.329
not his money.
1128
00:58:48.349 --> 00:58:48.510
No.
1129
00:58:48.570 --> 00:58:49.309
He borrowed that.
1130
00:58:49.329 --> 00:58:51.349
He had to pay that shit back with interest.
1131
00:58:51.869 --> 00:58:52.130
Right.
1132
00:58:52.489 --> 00:58:54.010
And he's just pissing it away on things.
1133
00:58:54.030 --> 00:58:56.159
That is the scummiest thing I've ever heard of.
1134
00:58:56.199 --> 00:59:00.199
That's terrible. I mean, just to kill him over that?
1135
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:02.739
To kill somebody for borrowed money.
1136
00:59:02.739 --> 00:59:05.909
Yeah. It's one thing if it was like,– we see
1137
00:59:05.929 --> 00:59:09.539
all the time, oh, they had an $ 800, 000 insurance policy
1138
00:59:09.579 --> 00:59:12.400
in 1995. Well, that's a reason to kill somebody, I guess,
1139
00:59:12.500 --> 00:59:15.469
if you're that desperate for money. But this is just–
1140
00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:18.690
I'd like to go on a little spending spree. for
1141
00:59:18.710 --> 00:59:21.159
the next couple days, so I'll kill my friend for it.
1142
00:59:21.210 --> 00:59:21.829
That's wild.
1143
00:59:21.849 --> 00:59:24.210
There's a couple of couches I've had my eye on.
1144
00:59:24.289 --> 00:59:27.769
That's what this is. This is such a tiny amount
1145
00:59:27.789 --> 00:59:30.380
of money that a man didn't even have. That he
1146
00:59:30.409 --> 00:59:34.980
was so... This was to keep him from dying this winter.
1147
00:59:35.019 --> 00:59:35.860
That's what the money was.
1148
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:37.739
So you got a couch with cup holders in it.
1149
00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:38.599
Wow.
1150
00:59:38.619 --> 00:59:41.559
Gave the old baby
Billy there. Yeah. Got you a
1151
00:59:41.599 --> 00:59:46.559
couch with cup holders in it. I love that. So...
1152
00:59:47.110 --> 00:59:49.239
That's what he's charged with all this shit. I can't
1153
00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:51.579
believe that's how he got to fucking Arizona. That is.
1154
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:54.679
Who knew that that was a website? I mean, I
1155
00:59:54.699 --> 00:59:56.260
guess there's a website for everything.
1156
00:59:56.300 --> 00:59:59.489
There's a website for everything. No, if there's websites that people...
1157
01:00:00.179 --> 01:00:02.239
To stare at people's feet, there's got to be ones
1158
01:00:02.300 --> 01:00:06.699
for someone to hang out with while I drive. That
1159
01:00:07.380 --> 01:00:10.559
seems more reasonable than I just want to stare at
1160
01:00:10.619 --> 01:00:12.219
some weird whatever the fuck.
1161
01:00:12.260 --> 01:00:16.780
Seatmate.com seems like it's been established long before feetmate.com.
1162
01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:22.920
Yes, or like ilikegoiters.org or whatever the fuck. Some weird
1163
01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:25.579
jerking off to people's groats or something. I have no idea.
1164
01:00:26.409 --> 01:00:30.929
So they go to trial. He does not plead. He says,
1165
01:00:31.210 --> 01:00:35.409
you don't have evidence I did this. What? He's saying,
1166
01:00:35.869 --> 01:00:39.570
the stuff you found, the tape, the physical evidence you found,
1167
01:00:39.869 --> 01:00:41.800
that could have just been from me being over there.
1168
01:00:41.840 --> 01:00:44.239
You don't know it's not, even though it's on tape
1169
01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:47.300
that's wrapped around the guy's head, both kinds of tape.
1170
01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:49.340
But still, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt
1171
01:00:49.380 --> 01:00:56.800
on the tape. That's fine. Then the fucking internet searches. Yeah. Yeah.
1172
01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:00.139
I mean, maybe he's just curious. Maybe he's a curious
1173
01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:01.980
little guy. That's all it is. Maybe he's just.
1174
01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:03.960
Aware of more things than the cops give him credit
1175
01:01:03.980 --> 01:01:04.739
for being aware of.
1176
01:01:05.139 --> 01:01:07.400
Maybe he sees things and he goes, I wonder, and
1177
01:01:07.420 --> 01:01:10.860
looks it up. He's a knowledge seeker. That's all it is.
1178
01:01:12.050 --> 01:01:16.449
Well, what about the surveillance of him cashing a check?
1179
01:01:16.769 --> 01:01:19.909
When the guy was dead. That's the problem. How did
1180
01:01:21.809 --> 01:01:24.559
you get his furnace money in your hand? Right. And
1181
01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:27.320
then spend it, not on his furnace. You know what
1182
01:01:27.340 --> 01:01:29.980
I'm saying? So that's kind of where it all falls apart.
1183
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:34.050
Even if you wanted to be the most pro-defendant, you'd
1184
01:01:34.090 --> 01:01:36.550
still be like, well, that's kind of hard to
explain there.
1185
01:01:36.570 --> 01:01:39.750
This is money that he doesn't have. There's no way
1186
01:01:39.809 --> 01:01:40.429
he would give.
1187
01:01:40.349 --> 01:01:44.389
It to you. And they also say circumstantial evidence is fine.
1188
01:01:45.050 --> 01:01:46.510
You know, a lot of times you hear defense attorneys
1189
01:01:46.530 --> 01:01:49.090
say this case is totally circumstantial. And then the prosecution
1190
01:01:49.110 --> 01:01:50.949
will go up and go, yeah, it is. It's a
1191
01:01:51.110 --> 01:01:56.070
shitload of circumstantial evidence, which– Those circumstances don't happen like that, generally.
1192
01:01:56.329 --> 01:02:00.670
Yeah, those circumstances are crazy to be coincidences.
1193
01:02:00.730 --> 01:02:05.789
Yeah. If they found, like, you know, some of Brumley's
1194
01:02:05.889 --> 01:02:08.690
blood on this guy's shirt, that would be physical evidence
1195
01:02:08.710 --> 01:02:11.510
that would be worth a giant pile of circumstantial evidence.
1196
01:02:11.530 --> 01:02:13.280
They have to make a huge pile of it to
1197
01:02:13.360 --> 01:02:15.780
equal one piece of physical evidence. But if you have
1198
01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:17.059
enough of it, it's fine.
1199
01:02:17.820 --> 01:02:20.510
He'd have to be in the room while— While Bromley's
1200
01:02:20.550 --> 01:02:24.090
being strangled and him to like throw him the check and.
1201
01:02:24.030 --> 01:02:25.010
Say, spend this for me.
1202
01:02:25.030 --> 01:02:26.139
Spend the money.
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01:02:27.219 --> 01:02:28.519
And here's my debit card too.
1204
01:02:29.719 --> 01:02:31.800
Just take my wallet. There you go. You're going to
1205
01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:34.820
need this. You're going to need it. Someone better live
1206
01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:37.679
it up because I could never. Since I can't, I
1207
01:02:37.739 --> 01:02:40.860
want you to. Do it for me. Live for me,
1208
01:02:40.900 --> 01:02:41.599
damn it. Live.
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01:02:44.070 --> 01:02:45.429
Talk holidays.
1210
01:02:45.750 --> 01:02:48.989
Exactly. Get room service. Why?
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01:02:49.030 --> 01:02:50.550
Thank you for being my friend.
1212
01:02:50.630 --> 01:02:59.389
Yep. So. Come on. Live it up, man. Live it up, Wyatt.
1213
01:02:59.409 --> 01:03:00.070
That's all he wanted.
1214
01:03:00.610 --> 01:03:02.630
Take that pale lady and get room service.
1215
01:03:02.710 --> 01:03:06.909
That's right. You take that fucking pompous-ass lady and get
1216
01:03:06.969 --> 01:03:13.139
room service. So, verdict comes in. They find him. Well,
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01:03:13.179 --> 01:03:16.360
he's accused of murder, auto theft, and two counts of
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01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:20.340
theft for the different money things. He's found guilty of
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01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:25.059
auto theft, guilty of two counts of theft, and guilty
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01:03:25.099 --> 01:03:29.340
of murder as well. So, that's everything. He does not
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01:03:29.420 --> 01:03:33.219
testify at all or make any statement during the sentencing.
1222
01:03:33.590 --> 01:03:34.429
Is that right?
1223
01:03:34.570 --> 01:03:39.050
Doesn't seem wise, probably, but he doesn't say shit. Judge
1224
01:03:39.090 --> 01:03:43.789
says something, though. They say, you, sir, may fuck off
1225
01:03:43.789 --> 01:03:50.670
62 years for murder, two years for theft, and they're consecutive.
1226
01:03:50.710 --> 01:03:53.219
So 64 years is what you got there.
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01:03:53.429 --> 01:03:53.719
Okay.
1228
01:03:53.889 --> 01:03:58.880
Okay. It's awfully lenient, isn't it? It's 64 years, and
1229
01:03:58.920 --> 01:04:01.130
I believe he has to do all of it. Oh,
1230
01:04:01.190 --> 01:04:03.150
and he's in his 50s, so it's over for him.
1231
01:04:03.210 --> 01:04:05.250
So it's not good. Or he has to do like
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01:04:05.250 --> 01:04:08.150
90% of it or some 95%. It's a lot. Yeah,
1233
01:04:08.190 --> 01:04:11.989
wait till you hear his release date. All right. He's
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01:04:12.010 --> 01:04:14.230
going to be there for the remainder. Let's just put
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01:04:14.269 --> 01:04:18.530
it that way. The prosecutor said the browsing history of
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01:04:18.570 --> 01:04:21.829
this cold-blooded killer painted a clear picture of someone planning
1237
01:04:21.869 --> 01:04:24.210
to commit murder to dispose of a human body and
1238
01:04:24.250 --> 01:04:28.670
to evade the authorities by going off the grid. Combined
1239
01:04:28.710 --> 01:04:31.199
with other evidence, this kind of Internet activity is a
1240
01:04:31.219 --> 01:04:34.619
very legitimate piece of the puzzle. I'm proud of our
1241
01:04:34.659 --> 01:04:37.719
team for helping ensure justice in this case and holding
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01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:41.940
a violent criminal accountable under the law. Um, the arson
1243
01:04:41.980 --> 01:04:43.519
and all the other shit that he had when they
1244
01:04:43.539 --> 01:04:45.500
were looking for, they just dismissed all of that. They're like,
1245
01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:46.199
he's wipe it all.
1246
01:04:46.340 --> 01:04:46.980
Cause it doesn't matter.
1247
01:04:47.059 --> 01:04:49.280
It doesn't matter. He's in for 64 years. Fuck that house.
1248
01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:54.280
So 2023, he appeals on the, under the, uh, guys, he,
1249
01:04:54.400 --> 01:04:57.920
what he appeals got to appeal direct appeal, I guess. Yeah.
1250
01:04:58.300 --> 01:05:02.019
Insufficient evidence is what he claims. Yeah. All right. Wow.
1251
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:06.409
That's ballsy. Um, he said the sentence was inappropriate in
1252
01:05:06.469 --> 01:05:08.750
late of, in light of the nature of the offenses
1253
01:05:08.929 --> 01:05:12.610
and his character. Oh, the nature of these fences are
1254
01:05:12.650 --> 01:05:15.130
brutal murder. And his character is a piece of shit
1255
01:05:15.150 --> 01:05:17.280
who would burn a factory down because he's mad at
1256
01:05:17.320 --> 01:05:18.760
his wife. He's a scumbag.
1257
01:05:18.780 --> 01:05:19.780
Yeah.
1258
01:05:19.800 --> 01:05:20.460
Terrible guys.
1259
01:05:21.139 --> 01:05:23.780
A sentient piece of shit is less dangerous.
1260
01:05:24.099 --> 01:05:28.079
Yeah, absolutely. You could at least trust it. Probably.
1261
01:05:28.099 --> 01:05:30.420
You can smell it coming.
1262
01:05:30.460 --> 01:05:33.400
You know, it's coming. They said, when reviewing the sufficiency
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01:05:33.420 --> 01:05:36.170
of the evidence to support a criminal conviction, we neither
1264
01:05:36.269 --> 01:05:39.949
reweigh evidence nor judge witness credibility. This is just– we
1265
01:05:39.989 --> 01:05:42.889
only consider the evidence supporting the judgment and any reasonable
1266
01:05:42.949 --> 01:05:45.639
inferences that can be drawn from such evidence. We will
1267
01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:49.920
affirm if there is a substantial evidence of probative value.
1268
01:05:50.059 --> 01:05:53.059
So they said the state was required to prove that
1269
01:05:53.079 --> 01:05:56.860
he knowingly or intentionally killed Brumley. Cook acknowledges that Brumley
1270
01:05:56.880 --> 01:05:59.829
was murdered but claims the state failed to prove it
1271
01:05:59.849 --> 01:06:03.519
was him that did it. Oh, my God. He was murdered, sure.
1272
01:06:03.679 --> 01:06:07.219
I'll buy that. But me, you know.
1273
01:06:07.409 --> 01:06:09.590
It's only one other person's fingerprints on this man.
1274
01:06:09.789 --> 01:06:13.030
Wasn't me. But we have you on camera. Wasn't me.
1275
01:06:14.269 --> 01:06:17.030
He went full shaggy. I'm the shaggy murderer. That's who
1276
01:06:17.139 --> 01:06:17.360
I am.
1277
01:06:17.389 --> 01:06:18.320
This is unbelievable.
1278
01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:21.760
It's crazy. He said there's no direct evidence that he
1279
01:06:21.780 --> 01:06:25.920
was ever at Brumley's home when the murder occurred. He said, therefore,
1280
01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:30.650
there's reasonable— inference that he simply stole the car, debit
1281
01:06:30.710 --> 01:06:34.289
card and loan check after finding Brumley dead. That's his
1282
01:06:34.659 --> 01:06:37.079
that's his excuse. I went in there to see him.
1283
01:06:37.559 --> 01:06:39.699
He was dead. So I just stole all his shit
1284
01:06:39.739 --> 01:06:44.719
and ran away. Which is that's not great either. We're
1285
01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:47.219
talking about character. Right.
1286
01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:49.559
Do you think that's a thing that he presented to
1287
01:06:49.579 --> 01:06:51.380
his lawyer and his lawyer was like, there's not a
1288
01:06:51.409 --> 01:06:52.469
fucking chance I'm doing that.
1289
01:06:53.940 --> 01:06:56.380
He's like, well, it's either that or murder. So we're
1290
01:06:56.400 --> 01:06:59.949
going to what we're going with. You're just an opportunistic thief.
1291
01:07:00.030 --> 01:07:03.309
That's what we're going with. How about that? So the
1292
01:07:03.349 --> 01:07:07.710
law said here that murder conviction may be sustained on
1293
01:07:07.769 --> 01:07:12.329
circumstantial evidence alone. The evidence need not negate every reasonable
1294
01:07:12.389 --> 01:07:15.460
hypothesis of innocence just has to be they just need
1295
01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:18.329
to be sure it's you. That's it. That's all it is.
1296
01:07:18.489 --> 01:07:21.630
So they said the evidence supports a reasonable inference that
1297
01:07:21.670 --> 01:07:24.409
he's the person that killed him. And Cook's claim to
1298
01:07:24.449 --> 01:07:27.269
the contrary is merely an invitation to reweigh the evidence,
1299
01:07:27.289 --> 01:07:29.050
which is not what we do here. So that's it.
1300
01:07:29.530 --> 01:07:33.099
Was the sentence appropriate? They said, seemed like it. They said,
1301
01:07:33.139 --> 01:07:36.380
we give substantial deference to the trial court's sentencing decision.
1302
01:07:36.400 --> 01:07:39.260
The trial court's judgment should prevail unless it's overcome by
1303
01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:42.710
compelling evidence that portraying in a positive light the nature
1304
01:07:42.750 --> 01:07:45.260
of the offense and the defendant's character. Well, swing and
1305
01:07:45.300 --> 01:07:47.679
a miss, swing and a miss. Piece of shit did
1306
01:07:47.699 --> 01:07:48.360
something terrible.
1307
01:07:48.780 --> 01:07:51.019
Feels like it was light, to be honest.
1308
01:07:51.079 --> 01:07:53.170
Exactly. Could have got worse. Could have got life without,
1309
01:07:53.250 --> 01:07:55.849
or at least life. The trial court said that he
1310
01:07:55.869 --> 01:07:58.940
had a lack of remorse. But they said, no, the
1311
01:07:58.980 --> 01:08:02.380
lack of remorse was merely an outward manifestation of his innocence.
1312
01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:04.860
How can you be remorseful for something you didn't do?
1313
01:08:05.260 --> 01:08:06.260
Well, I didn't do it.
1314
01:08:06.360 --> 01:08:06.699
Duh.
1315
01:08:07.110 --> 01:08:10.369
I took a man's check because I'm a piece of shit.
1316
01:08:10.449 --> 01:08:14.409
Yeah. The judge wrote, neither the nature of Cook's offenses
1317
01:08:14.449 --> 01:08:18.210
nor his character convinces us that his 64-year sentence is inappropriate.
1318
01:08:19.010 --> 01:08:21.859
She said he carried out a premeditated, unprovoked, and cruel
1319
01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:25.060
murder of his longtime acquaintance before stealing his car and
1320
01:08:25.119 --> 01:08:26.640
money and fleeing across the country.
1321
01:08:27.319 --> 01:08:28.560
His beloved car.
1322
01:08:29.020 --> 01:08:31.920
He said, what's more, these offenses are just another chapter
1323
01:08:31.979 --> 01:08:36.390
in Cook's alarming history of criminal conduct. Bad guy. Because
1324
01:08:36.550 --> 01:08:38.890
we don't know what he did before the fire back
1325
01:08:38.930 --> 01:08:42.029
in 2003. Because he was a full-grown adult by then.
1326
01:08:42.050 --> 01:08:43.729
I bet he had a shitload of charges. I looked
1327
01:08:43.750 -->
01:08:46.250
them up. I couldn't find any. But, I mean, that's pre-2000,
1328
01:08:46.270 --> 01:08:50.810
a lot of shit, small towns, not computerized. Right. They said,
1329
01:08:50.829 --> 01:08:53.920
neither the nature of this nor his character convinces us
1330
01:08:53.939 --> 01:08:57.550
that's an inappropriate sentence. We think it's just right. You
1331
01:08:57.569 --> 01:08:59.789
can fuck off. And they said his internet browsing history
1332
01:08:59.810 --> 01:09:02.420
rewrites really showed that what he was doing.
1333
01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:05.479
There's no way you burned down Mastercraft on your first
1334
01:09:05.560 --> 01:09:06.359
criminal attempt.
1335
01:09:06.470 --> 01:09:10.270
Fuck no. No. So he's incarcerated at the Indiana State
1336
01:09:10.310 --> 01:09:14.260
Prison in Michigan City. He has a projected release date
1337
01:09:14.439 --> 01:09:17.899
of October 2066 when he will be 107 years old.
1338
01:09:20.760 --> 01:09:24.260
That's his first parole hearing. 107. I think we're safe.
1339
01:09:24.380 --> 01:09:26.479
I think we're good on that guy. Yeah, I would say.
1340
01:09:26.840 --> 01:09:30.159
Buck 07. If he does make it to 107, I
1341
01:09:30.199 --> 01:09:32.720
say let him out and just watch him try.
1342
01:09:33.260 --> 01:09:34.380
I don't say let him out.
1343
01:09:34.500 --> 01:09:37.600
I say push his ass out. You have to leave now.
1344
01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:38.779
Get the fuck out.
1345
01:09:38.800 --> 01:09:41.439
But everyone I know is dead. That's all right. Get
1346
01:09:41.460 --> 01:09:43.069
the fuck out. But I'd have nowhere to go.
1347
01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:44.380
Get the fuck out, Green Mile.
1348
01:09:44.699 --> 01:09:47.930
Sorry. I don't know what to tell you. Light a
1349
01:09:47.970 --> 01:09:50.050
fire for warmth. What the fuck do you want from us?
1350
01:09:50.149 --> 01:09:50.789
I mean, good luck.
1351
01:09:51.810 --> 01:09:55.010
Look, in the past, we've had like women and children killed. Obviously,
1352
01:09:55.050 --> 01:09:56.770
that's a terrible, terrible individual.
1353
01:09:56.810 --> 01:09:57.090
Yeah, yeah.
1354
01:09:57.210 --> 01:10:00.060
This guy went and killed a man who was old,
1355
01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:03.680
took a check he didn't even, money he didn't even have.
1356
01:10:04.220 --> 01:10:04.560
Yeah, no, no.
1357
01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:07.100
And then went and blew half of it in a second.
1358
01:10:07.800 --> 01:10:08.520
And then what?
1359
01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:11.680
He was going to do way worse. This man's dangerous.
1360
01:10:11.819 --> 01:10:15.149
It's a dangerous guy. The house, the murder house still stands,
1361
01:10:15.229 --> 01:10:18.649
by the way. Really? It's occupied. And the Zestimate is $ 114, 000
1362
01:10:18.550 --> 01:10:23.409
on it. It's awfully cheap. Two bedroom, one bath, 1,600
1363
01:10:23.409 --> 01:10:25.979
square foot. There it is. Detached garage.
1364
01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:28.800
Probably
was not killing it. The poor man was, he
1365
01:10:28.819 --> 01:10:30.359
just had his prized Mustang.
1366
01:10:30.380 --> 01:10:32.159
That's it. The poor fuck. That's what he spent his
1367
01:10:32.199 --> 01:10:34.359
money on. It's all he had. So there you go, everybody.
1368
01:10:34.439 --> 01:10:38.000
That is Winchester, Indiana. And just a twisted tale of
1369
01:10:38.039 --> 01:10:41.210
a huge gaping asshole of a guy. What a monster.
1370
01:10:41.229 --> 01:10:44.260
Just a bad fucking guy. And for some reason, Hawaiian
1371
01:10:44.279 --> 01:10:47.319
music in Indiana. Whatever it is. We haven't figured it out.
1372
01:10:48.779 --> 01:10:51.130
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01:10:51.170 --> 01:10:53.510
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If that's you.
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You fucking rule. So thank you, thank you, thank you
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So it's no sports. The only sports angle to it
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be a minor league baseball player.
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Great.
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Otherwise, it's just a horrible murder story with a crazy
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murderer who gets caught in a fucking insane way. So
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that's fun. Then for small-town murder, we're going to do
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an old-timey, the trick-or-treat murder, it's called. And it's not
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the one where the guy killed his kid or the
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neighborhood kid. It's not that.
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Dumbest reason ever for me to look at my fucking
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swizzle sticks.
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Yeah. This is a weird, diabolical podcast. crazy plot that
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just happened to be centered around the distraction of Halloween.
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It's crazy stuff. So we'll talk about that because Halloween's
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coming up. Patreon.com slash crime in sports and you get
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a shout out at the end of the regular show
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and you get everything we put out. All of our
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shows ad free with your Patreon. Thank you so much. Patreon.com
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slash crime in sports. Do that. Keep coming back and
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seeing us. Shut up and give me murder.com is there
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if you want to find any information about us or
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or Crime and Sports, or Your Stupid Opinions, or any
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other damn thing you want. Tickets to live shows. That's
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where it's all at, everybody. So get in there and
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do that. And until next week, everybody, it's been our pleasure. Bye!