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It's Bowen Belmer. It is Thursday,
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October
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29,
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Morpheus Community Town Hall. You may notice
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we kicked off, or I should say I kicked off
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this town hall
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solo dolo this week.
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It is
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just me at the moment.
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David will be joining us here shortly.
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A bunch of community members are either
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traveling this week or at other events. For example, I know David
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was just yesterday at the Principal Business Hackathon down in Austin, Texas. So I believe he might even still be there. So once he jumps on, I'm sure he will give us an update to that end.
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We will cover Morpheus updates as always, and then a new announcement too of a
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new tool that has been published now for the Morpheus community
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to help further onboard users. So give me a second here. Let me just make sure everything is
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as it should be.
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And it looks like there we go,
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the man himself. Woah. How are doing, brother? I'm good. How are you? It's been a busy few days. I was mentoring the hackathon
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a couple days ago at the Principal Business Summit. They had a whole AI track where Morpheus sponsored.
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And, yeah, last night, we hosted a Morpheus and Zcash dinner
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downtown Austin. So it's been a fun few days, but thanks for hanging in there. Just jumping on. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, I'm glad it's been fun fun couple days. I just gave a quick plug for everybody that, you know, a lot of the community is either traveling or at events, and I I literally had just said David is
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down at that summit in Austin, so he'll give us an update from there.
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I'm just taking a look. So we are live this week on YouTube and X, which is an improvement over last week. However,
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YouTube still, for some reason, did not link to the proper
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livestream link that I had established and connected specifically to this stream.
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So apparently, something is still broken there.
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Aye aye aye, guys. I apologize. It it gets a little better every week, Bo. It's just incremental improvement.
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Yeah. Well, you would think polished machine by the end of the year. It it should be, but then at the same time, I feel like we're, like,
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taking a couple steps back at certain points. So I apologize
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to everybody for that. So we will... I'll get that sorted out. One of these days, we'll have a really smooth running system that, you know, streams all the places that we wanna go. But
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to kick off this week, I mean, this will probably be a shorter one, guys, because it's, you know, just David and I. And and like I said, a lot of the community has stuff going on. However, as always, we wanted to jump on.
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In terms of Morpheus Protocol updates, so I am not gonna attempt to be Alan or regurgitate
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things in the way that Alan will be able to. However,
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I will point you to the
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Gitbook and the Morpheus GitHub where there was an update to the node. This is update update v 7 point 18
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point 0,
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which is a security and dependency refresh.
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So ultimately, a security release. There was no update to product features.
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However,
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there are a handful of updates here that Alan had sent over to me. Honestly, the best thing for you to do, one, if you're running a node, you're obviously familiar with the fact that these updates occur,
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have your agent
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cross reference this most recent update to your current
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v 17
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and have it update. And then I will point you to the GitHub directory to read, you know, the notes and then what's actually going on there.
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Never want to speak for any any devs, but
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there's a lot of points, so there's a lot going on. I guess that's what I could say. I don't know, David, if you have anything specifically on that.
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I would say it's definitely important to update quickly in the current environment.
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don't think there are a lot of security updates in general in this one. I know there was in the last update. So
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with all that's going on in AI right now,
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keeping on top of your security updates
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is important. So I would continue
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making sure your node is at the latest version.
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Just as a matter of course, if you're getting, like, Apple updates, like, there's a critical iPhone update like yesterday, like, if you're seeing those updates, like, you should
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be pushing that button. Smash the update button. Make sure it's a real update. Like, get it from your official source. But, like, if if you... It's a real update, then, like, you need to take action. So, yeah,
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Alan, those guys are just killing it on on continuing to improve the router.
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There's a bunch of stuff in the queue for improvements to the the smart contracts that are getting audited right now. Yeah. There's there's so much going on. But
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did you wanna get into...
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There have been some really big announcements, like, in the last thirty minutes, in the last, like, sixty minutes. I don't know what you wanna start with, Beau, but, like, people are launching
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Morpheus
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applications
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in the App Store. I just downloaded
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one, which is a really cool announcement.
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Maybe Alan will wanna do a whole talk on that maybe next week or whatever. Sure. And then I'm happy to talk about, like, all the Hermes integrations, and I saw Morpheus Asia just announced some big announcement. Like, it's been a wild day so far. Yeah. So I was gonna touch on that as well. The App Store launch, actually didn't see. So if you wanna do a quick overview of that, that would be really helpful. And then, yeah, we can have Alan or whoever on to show it off maybe next week. Let me pull up
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pull it up. I just just reposted
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it. Let's see. On my profile.
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Yep.
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I can see on my replies and reposts that
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Node Neo
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is now available in the App Store.
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And so this is a nomadic rogues production.
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yeah, he posted this 25
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ago,
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so fresh fresh off the presses.
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But it looks like a mobile interface
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for
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opening up a a chat and use all these models on your mobile phone in a native app format, which is really cool. So I'm gonna test it out today. I just got my address. I'm gonna
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stake some more and, yeah, turn on Neo.
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So I think this is really cool.
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And so happy to to jump into that. People have been asking for a while a while, like, when when is there gonna be a a Morpheus
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a Morpheus app?
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Right? That's like, well, you know, community's made a lot of different versions,
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but it looks like Alan has created something that's, like, directly for people using
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more and staking it on their phones, which is awesome. Seen before. Good. Yeah. I mean, yeah, that is so true. And I think we actually talked about this last week where there is a
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contingent of people
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who...
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And in some cases, like, they don't totally understand,
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like, what's going on with Morpheus, the purpose of it existing and what it's actually doing. And and I don't necessarily expect people to the first time they hear about this. I mean, the the reality is, like, there is a lot happening kinda all at once. And so I often will get that question too, like, oh, where can I just, like, go to the website or the application and and use Morpheus as if it's, like, one singular thing?
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Obviously, the more you learn and the more you dive down this rabbit hole, the more you realize it's not one singular thing. It's a set of tools that allow you to do tons of things. However, it is really great to have those,
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like, singular places that you can point someone to to say, hey. Just so you can get your first, you know, experience with Morpheus, the ecosystem,
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try this tool. Try Node. Neo. Download an app from the App Store. You know, that that really simplifies the whole process.
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Yeah. We'll have
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we'll have Alan show that off next time he's on. In the meantime, though, and this was actually the headline of today's episode, if you're watching it on x, if you're watching it on YouTube, unfortunately, again, it did not publish to the right the right video. I will fix that in post. However,
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it is the launch of Install hermes.ai,
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which is very cool. This is...
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Well, let me just
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share my screen here, and we'll take a look at it. Yeah.
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This has been a highly requested
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upgrade
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to, you know, making it super easy for people that want a Hermes agent to connect it to Morpheus.
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So this is gonna look really similar to install OpenClaw.
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I used the same
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vertical stack with all the same tools. Big shout out to the manifest
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network guys providing the decentralized hosting for the agents,
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and Morpheus is providing all of the inference. So let me set the stage.
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You heard of Mer... You've heard of Hermes.
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You want a Hermes agent. Maybe you're not, you know, overly technical. Great. Here's one click.
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You see that button start a trial. You can log in,
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and it spins you up an agent. Nothing to download. No terminal. You can use a credit card with Stripe. Like, it makes it really easy
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to set up an agent. And, yeah, Hermes is super popular. They've been in the Morpheus community forever.
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Right? And so
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big shout out to the news research guys.
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They've they've just done an amazing job with this product. So glad to have the integration fully live now, and everybody can try it out. This is very beta. I'm still, you know, finding edge cases and, like, improving the login and stuff like that. So give it a try. Let me know how it works, and give me feedback. But so far, so good. We've crossed between OpenCLaw and Hermes over 500 beta testers
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on the system, and it's really starting to grow organically at this point. So I just wanna keep supporting different harnesses that people want
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to access.
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And the real key here is when you use this, it comes automatically
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with a Morpheus key embedded.
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So you didn't have to buy more or,
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you know, do something that you don't understand or set up a plot account or some other key from some other place in order to get your agent working. It just works, and it just starts. Right? So that's kind of what I think the big advantages here. I find that's usually where people get confused. They're like, well, I'm trying to set up an agent. Why do I need this claw or some other key or some other service, or how do I get an API key from Morpheus?
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This just puts it into one product.
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Right? You click the button. You get the agent. It comes working out of the box. So Yeah. That's so huge. I'm so excited about this because I've grown really partial to Hermes. I have nothing against OpenClaw. Claw. It's just I switched a while back, and now that's what I'm used to using. And so it's much easier for me to point other people to this now to say, like, hey. Look. This is... You know, you can onboard to the same thing that I'm currently using in in this format.
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And, yeah, the the key is the key is key because that is the part that people often get hung up on when there's, like, a learning learning curve technical barrier there.
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Be... Because you can't talk to your agent until it has a key. Yeah. Yeah. You need it. Yeah. How do I debug this? I don't know. Ask your agent. I don't have an agent. Like, how
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Yeah. Well, it's it's awesome. So well done. It also just highlights too how...
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talked about this last week too. Morpheus, the protocol, is completely agnostic to how you're hosting your agent. It does not care, and it does not matter. So this is just another
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way of highlighting that. Like, oh, you or somebody who wants to use OpenClaw for your harness for whatever reason. Great. Install openclaw dot x y z. You're partial to Hermes. Great.
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What is it? Install Hermes install hermes.ai.
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And and I'm sure, you know, as things develop and there's agent harnesses and new ways to experience Agentic AI, there will be, you know, similar similar tools
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to connect you to Morpheus. And and it's one of my favorite parts of Morpheus is it is truly
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a... What do they call... What did Vitalik call Ethereum? The infinite garden.
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It is...
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You know, I don't know what the equivalent of that for agents is, but that's Morpheus. It's the infinite It's an infinite marketplace.
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Infinite marketplace. Yeah. You you can use any agent you want.
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Right?
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Yeah. There's a lot of good analogies. I was talking to
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one of the the guys at the conference yesterday, one of the the Zcash guys, Nate,
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and he's one of the guys that sort of memed,
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you know, Zcash not communism
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or Zcash is communism insurance
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into existence. And he's like, Morpheus is really,
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you know, a VPN
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for AI.
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Like, and just encapsulated it, I thought, beautifully in just a couple words. It's like, yep. That's a pretty good... Because Marketplace is, like, a little broader.
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But, like, oh, it gives me privacy,
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and it routes me somewhere. That's, like, that's a VPN for a lot of people around the world, especially those that need to use a VPN,
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right, because of where they live or whatever, you know, that's a really good analogy. I thought that was pretty pretty catchy.
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But, yeah, it's a VPN that connects you to all these different agents and continues to, you know, protect your privacy and everything else in the process.
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Yeah. 100%. I mean, that's...
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I I mean, we've said this a bunch. Like, I think Morpheus... Well, I know that it's most important in places that literally can't access these other things. Yeah. You know, there are all benefits to it. Speaking of which, did you notice what's at the top of the page?
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No. We'll zoom in
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a lot to the top of the page, hopefully. Oh, yeah. It
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is now in
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and Spanish and French
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and German and Japanese
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and Turkish
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also Korean and also Italian and also Polish.
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So I basically targeted
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spoken language over 50,000,000
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speakers
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in sort of the Western world that can access this tool,
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right, and and tried to get covered. So we went from 1,400,000,000
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English speakers to three plus billion
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global speakers
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under this new set of language. And so big credit to Leah for translating
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Japanese,
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and other people have contributed to the German and the Portuguese.
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Call out to Andre.
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Like, all these community members came up. It's like, oh, we wanted our native language so we can go
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onboard our friends in Brazil or in Japan or whatever. I was like, great. Let's do it. And so you'll see both Install OpenClaw and Install Hermes are now broadly translated
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these other languages, and that's inspired. Now Eric's like, oh, I'm gonna do Chinese
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and a version of that for, you know, Morpheus Asia. Right? And go cover Malay and Indonesian and Thai
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and all of the East Asian language. Great. Like, he is in an amazing spot in Asia
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to cover that part of the world. Right? Because he can access the payment rails. He knows the culture. He knows the language. Like, he gets all the nuance.
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He knows their use cases.
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Great. Like, I want as many Morpheus,
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you know, nodes building these interfaces as possible. So, you know, there's a lot of... There's three or four or five, six African languages that I don't know, and I I don't have a connection to that
part of the world. I'd love a community volunteer
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that wants to tackle that. I know there are people working on the Eastern European languages and other stuff like that. So
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it's really cool. We've... It's been a big expansion of, like, how people can get involved,
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run their own gateway.
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I'm thinking of these, like, as an agent portal. If you wanna run your own agent portal
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and make money
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getting people agents,
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and and you can run the Stripe account, or you can run the the payment account, you're welcome to collect a 100% of that revenue. You don't have to give anything to me. Yeah. This is an open source project. You could take all of the code tomorrow
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and go build a business and start arbitraging the difference between the crazy rate your friends are paying to Claude and what they could be paying if they were using these open rate models. And when, like, that clicked for some of the people I was talking to in Astana, they're like, wait a minute. I get all of the revenue? Like Yeah. No problem. They can can make their own business? I was like, yeah. That's the whole idea. Oh, no. No. We should give you some. No. I don't want anything. My whole payoff is that you use Morpheus and you use the protocol and everybody gets the benefit. Like, you know, that's the whole idea. Right? And then they're like, oh, wow. Like, oh, I'm... Know a lot of people that want this and don't have this, and I'm gonna go give it to them in their language,
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with the type of credit card they have or the way they pay with their phone or whatever, it's like, God bless you. Go do it. Great. Yeah. Yeah.
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And this has happened constantly this year. Like, the amount of times I can say, well, that didn't exist, you know, two months ago. That didn't exist three months ago, and now, you know, it's just
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exponential growth in real time. And, yeah, the ability to reach just all types of people, infinite types of people all over the world is...
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people all over the world in the community working on things that, like... I I I talk about Morpheus every week on a livestream, and I had no idea this was even happening, which is great. Like, that's that's an awesome thing. Like, the the community is just growing and blossoming.
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sometimes. But but, yeah, just looking over this tweet that they put out. So Morpheus Asia did a collaboration with VentureRock
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backing a startup used to mean I need to put money in their accounts and, you know, have them spend it building their thing, and hopefully it becomes profitable,
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theoretically infinite ability to do that. Because,
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oh, you know, and this was always the worry. Right? Like, I've heard VCs say if, you know, if one out of 10 hits,
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it was... It's a good, you know, good round of deploying capital.
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okay. Great. But also those other nine, yeah, I still owe the underlying inference. I can just reallocate it. It's like reallocating your same dollar again instead of actually losing it.
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Yep. No. It's pretty cool. Big credit to Eric and Renee,
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Aslan, all the guys over there building this out. You know, they've just been constantly... I see all their pull requests and the GitHub and the work that they're doing, but this is really cool. Yeah. I I had no idea that they had this in in the pipeline,
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you know, liked it this morning. But, yeah, those guys are these guys are awesome. And I think it's a really smart strategy. It's like
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other things like this pop up.
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And, yeah, so it's really, really cool to see that on the other side of the world and looking forward to hearing from them, you know, how that compute ultimately gets deployed and, like, what are the things
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Yeah. Well, from their perspective, you're on the other side of the world. And That's true. They're in the... No. They're in I'm glad the Westerners have finally woken up to all the things we're doing. This is Morpheus Protocol. Yeah. It's like That's true. That's true.
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You're not wrong. Yeah. It was... It's funny because I... It reminds me of the early days of crypto,
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and I would go to China.
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We have most of the transaction volumes. Like, oh, it's nice you guys are doing some code. Like like, they're... You know, each... The cool thing about an open source protocol is each
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like, that's their perspective. Right? So they're Yeah. Yeah. Everybody's a the hero of their own story. So, yeah, it's it's cool. That... And that's what open source allows is you can have a marketplace for voices and ideas and builders and all this stuff. So Yeah. No. Absolutely.
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Hey, listen. If Asia wants to be the heroes of freedom of intelligence,
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that is fine by me. That was... That is a net win for everybody, ultimately. So 100%, man. Cool. Very cool. That was all the stuff I had this week. I mean, I didn't really... Which is... I should... Again, I always say that, and they make it sound like it's not that much stuff. We had, like, Oh, three well, just a, you know, Morpheus mobile app and a Morpheus dot and, you know, means a lot of things in color. Yeah. Yeah. It's a slow week. Yeah. Know? Besides two absolutely and three absolutely massive updates,
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that's that's what we had this week. Yeah. It's it's... I know. It's so funny. Our... My brain has just become so broken with, like, digesting this... The rate of change and, like, how many things are happening all at once.
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don't have a lot else. Like, I mean, there's been models released. There's been some interesting announcement, more like on the closed stuff, so it's it's not sort of as as compelling to to cover.
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yeah, I mean, it's just really cool going to these conferences. Nice. This one is in Austin, so I can just drive down from my house and and go go attend it instead of getting on a plane. Did you jump in a a
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It was funny. I was driving by the construction site for the giant conference center they're building. They're, like, doubling the size. The old one, if you ever came down for, like, consensus,
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time to hang out with the community. One one thing I would highlight is
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because I think there's such a close alignment
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between people who believe in privacy of money and privacy of intelligence. Yeah. Right? And so that's what we hosted last night was a dinner for the community that's interested in that. We just had a ton of people register.
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it was it was a fun discussion, but there's, like, definitely
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a huge crossover. It's it's hard to believe it's been ten years since the launch of Zcash. I thought I was gonna say I was gonna say Zcash is such a good example of... You know, for a community, for people who care heavily
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and then starts having its moment again. But that entire time, there's an entire community, there's developers, there's people who are... You know, all of the things are happening behind the scenes for it to, like, have that moment and and see that growth. And so it is such a good example of, like,
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You know? It just takes a while. Yeah. And and those guys have have done an amazing job. And it's sort of... I think they're connected moments, like the takeoff of Zcash, what's happening with Morpheus,
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thesis was a reaction to AI.
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Everything that's transparent,
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like, the state is gonna use that transparency against you. And once they have AI, they're gonna find all of your assets. It's gonna be really hard to keep on your assets when the, you know, regulators and everybody else decides they want those assets. Right? And so they're like, look. If you don't have encrypted money, you're not gonna have money. Right? You're gonna be living under communism. And people are like, that's a really good point. Okay. Now with the rise of AI, I need to take something like Zcash more seriously. And so that's what put all of this interest and fuel behind it the last couple years.
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You know? And and Morpheus has definitely done done a similar thing. Right? The hype of '24.
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all of a sudden, we're seeing that adoption,
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and it go up into the right. So, yeah, very, very cool. And and it's interesting it attracts a lot of the same people, like, the same guys that were,
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to let people know about the project. I had done one for Ethereum and other early protocols,
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and I was like, wow. Yeah. It's it's been ten years. Right? But, like, the time for the idea has come. So, yeah, it's really, really cool. So glad to see those collaborations,
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more of those popping up. Totally. Well... And, yeah, I mean, it just it just speaks to good idea, great execution,
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finds its moment. You know? Or the moment finds it, I guess, is maybe the way of looking at it. And so Yeah. I I just... Like, I look at that story and everything that's happening, and I just see Morpheus in it, you know, and, like, and some of these other things too.
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you know, that they're they're all getting red pilled on Morpheus,
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it doesn't have a company?
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That's just like Zcash. Oh, it doesn't have a founder? Like, oh, it really is decentralized? Like, there's no pre...
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with the ethos and ethics
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of people that care about a free launch and a really neutral platform
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and all these things like, oh, now I'm gonna take a deeper look, like, because that checks off my box. It's not some corporate chain. It's not controlled by one person. It's, you know, really permissionless.
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All these things, they see that. They're like, wow. That's unique because,
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then they sort of sacrifice that long term ability to say this is a community project, and anybody can be involved.
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And it devolves to, you know, a couple of people with a marketing department and, you know, shilling and and stuff like that. I mean, listen. I am no...
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I am very, very critical of this in all sorts of things related to both crypto and decentralized AI.
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I am heavily supportive of of what's happening, and I think that they are great,
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but it doesn't change the fact that at a fundamental level there is trust baked in. And so that the value proposition is just inherently different, and there is no way around it. There there is no way. Like, it's it's just, like, from the jump, it is what it is. And so, yeah, that's
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100% correct, and, like, one of those things that I just very specific... Specifically seek out when looking at projects and teams and, like, what people are working on
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doesn't necessarily mean I won't allocate to one or won't use one, but the value proposition is different. It just is. How many people really understand that? I don't know. I mean, it's like it's hard to tell. You you need both. Right? I I compare it to
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the Bitcoin model versus the Coinbase model. Yeah. Sure. Both investors did very well, but they're fundamentally different things. Like, one's a protocol, one's a company. Right?
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from the old TradFi financial world to crypto,
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but he had to do a company to do it. Right? And all the
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difficult gross things came with that, like dealing with the SEC and lawsuits and regulators,
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and I I didn't have the I didn't have the heart to Yeah. Thank god so much. Putting that work. But, like, he was willing to put ten years of his life into fighting those battles, and he won.
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Right? He won those court cases. He won his, you know, efforts with the SEC.
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seen the benefit of that in The US.
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But it's a hard fight, and it's a fundamentally different animal. But it could get acquired one day. It could get bought by something else. You know, the company could go away, but the Bitcoin protocol's
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always there. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And so you need both. Right? You need a more pissed, and you need all the companies built on top. Like, it's not bad. Like, you want the companies built on top. You have to have the companies built on top, but you need both. Yeah. No. That... A 100% agree. That's a really good way of framing it.
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So Yeah. I mean, the only other thing... Yeah. I guess it's kinda... The only other thing I have this week is, you know, elections on Tuesday. Get out and vote. If you're an American,
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your constitutional rights. Those are important.
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your moral consent and never never vote in consent to violence. But, you know, you do you.
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Well, hey, I didn't say who you have to vote for. You can always vote for independence.
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If you wanna vote David Johnston to Congress, no one can stop you.
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Oh, man. I do not wanna be a politician. I Did you see
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did you see this massive brawl in the Armenian parliament today? No. I saw I saw some random clips. I didn't know the context. And Yeah. I mean, I'm...
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In in, you know, classic
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fashion, I'm assuming this is real. So if this isn't real, guys, then, you know,
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don't add But Blow's just posting slop now. Yeah. Yeah. If this is AI slop, then, you know, just ignore. But look at this. This is That's actually a lot of parliaments. Like, they do that. I think it's, like, Korea or Japan. There... There's one of them or or maybe it was Hong Kong, but there's one of them where, like, they'll get very physical. Like like, somebody will steal the physical bill so they can't pass it and, like, run away. Have you've ever seen that that clip?
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I think I have. Yeah. Whereas whereas The US one is just completely empty and nobody's there is a guy giving a speech to a camera, and and his buddies are off off in the cloakroom or hanging out in their offices. Yeah. Well Or they
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they have walkers and they can't axe. They couldn't engage in that type of activity even if they wanted to. You know, look. I'm not advocating for violence ever. I would love to live in a in a nonviolent world.
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it is it is interesting to have a young enough and capable enough parliament that that type of thing even remotely can occur. You know? It does add a level of, like...
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wouldn't be up there saying some of the things they're saying if they thought they might get punched in the face. You know? It's like what Mike Tyson, what he what he used to say, like, everyone's got a plan till they get punched in the face. Like, you know, when you know that there is no chance of physical repercussion,
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people just say stuff. And, like
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issues in in The US. I'll go off on my historical tangent here. Do you know the proportionality
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amendment?
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Yeah. We talked about this. Well, I I don't know exactly what it is, but I know it didn't pass, and there's a special interest group right now that's trying to, like, kinda bring it back to life. So it did pass, but the paperwork got lost in the original
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Continental Congress or constitutional,
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you know,
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gathering. And, yeah, there there should be a certain number of people per representative, and that Yeah. That didn't get locked in. So now we're arbitrarily capped at 435,
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and so nobody's met their representative.
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Nobody has any relationship with their representative.
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And so it's kinda making a very weak,
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you know, sort of
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version of of
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republic
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if you don't actually know your representative. Now there's, you know, 750,000
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people per representative instead of 25,000.
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So, anyway, like, that amendment is still sitting out there. Somebody could go do the work and you try to get it passed.
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But Yeah. Or it's the people who have to pass it are the same people who are gonna divide their power into thousands
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by doing that. So so I've been sort of... I I become very cynical about politics having having gone down that rabbit hole enough times. And it's like, I think the way you really affect change, one, is to build the alternative. Yeah.
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And once you have the alternative, people can just opt into it. I don't have to get 51
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of my neighbors
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to accept that Bitcoin's a good idea. I can just buy Bitcoin Yeah. And opt to the Federal Reserve policy.
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And then what you realize is is politics like this very thin veneer on top of the state,
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and the state operates based on courts and bureaucracy and regulation.
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And, like, having the money and resources now that you've built your alternative
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to try to navigate that like Bryan Armstrong did. I I calculated it out. I think he spent
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$350,000,000
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between
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SEC fines,
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lawyers,
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and other costs over a decade
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to win all those court cases.
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And so... But he won. Yeah. Right? And so as... If you're really well capitalized, like, you you can do something. So, anyway,
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opt out first. You know? Use capital to try to, you know, assert your rights against the state. I think it's the best best strategy, but the the, like, vote harder. The
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the vote harder strategy, man. It's it's... It... What what it does is the the the biggest
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thing I think objective I have or objection I have to voting is
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it for most people,
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they think they're doing something. Yeah.
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And they only have to show up once every two to four years, and they did their part. And it was, man,
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I hate to break it to you, but there's zero correlation. Well,
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agreed. And so it's like, if you wanna have an effect, here's here's the pathway to having a real effect. Right? Create the alternative, get resources,
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and navigate the state.
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Because
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the entire election process,
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it's really it's really resolved way earlier than people think. It's when the candidates are picked. Yeah. Well, I was gonna say this is all under the guise that these are real elections anyway, which is a whole Right. Which is a whole another question that, you know, I could put a tinfoil hat on and dive very deep into Well, you don't have to tinfoil hat anything.
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It's decided
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when the candidate is picked by the party. Yeah. Because almost no jurisdictions in The US are even competitive.
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You got red states and blue states, and there's a couple of purple
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exceptions,
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but it's... When the party was saying this candidate or that candidate
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and and which policies, like... If you wanted to have an effect, that's that's the point you have an effect. Yeah. It's like you're you're you're you're supporting candidates in, like, the party systems, but almost nobody does that. Right. Right? Because it's a messy,
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corrupt,
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you know, very gross kind of system. And so, anyway, that's my rant on politics. But No. You're not wrong. I mean, I don't I don't wholly disagree
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with anything that you said.
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The only nuance I would say is, like, it... It's literally the South Park episode where it's the shit sandwich versus the... What is the other one?
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Douchebag. The Douchebag. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's literal... It's
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literally that and, like, fully recognizing
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that it is that. I I struggle because on the one side, like, I I refuse to
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align my personal, like, stances and beliefs with any one singular collection of people because I think that's just a ridiculous way of, like, making decisions. Because the fact of the matter is on everything, like, there's nuance.
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Like, the answer is always, well, it depends, like, all the time. And and and neither of the parties is intellectually consistent. They just No. No. Yeah. There is no Right. They think will will get them. Did you see the video by Matthew McConaughey?
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The recent one?
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Yeah. So so he kinda makes a video around every election, and he's usually like, hey. I'm not running because a lot of people ask him to. He's seen a sort of like a very independent voice. Sure. And he made a point just similar to what what you were saying is,
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you know, what we really need is most people are not Republicans or Democrats. No. Yeah. They're like 20% each of the population.
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60% of people are independents.
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Yeah. And there's almost no independents
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elected.
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Right? Because everybody's
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afraid of a spoiler effect. Like, oh, if I vote for that guy, then whoever else will get in. But he... I don't know. There... There's a rumor going around that he's gonna run as an independent
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in the next election because he's like, guys, if we only had a handful of independents in the middle and neither side had a majority, then we could we could It would change the fact that center. Yeah. And then you'd force them to come back to the table, not like extreme right, extreme left every two to four years,
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and you have this whiplash. Anyway, I thought I thought it was a... It sounded it sounded very reasonable whether it can be implemented as Yeah. Well, first of all, I completely agree with that. And I also say, like, my my push for people to vote is because I think exercising rights is really important. It it doesn't necessarily mean that I think it fixes all the problems because I I agree with literally everything you just said. However,
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yeah, I mean, I would argue that one of the biggest reasons that it wasn't possible
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until maybe now or in the
not so distant future to really interject, like, a meaningful third party is the ability to organize capital and ultimately attention.
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Because, like, you had to be able organize both of those things. Well, previously, you kinda couldn't because there was a monopoly on attention through, like, mainstream media sources, and then there's a monopoly to some degree on capital or at least, like, the organization and movement of capital because of things like crypto and because of things like decentralized AI and and social platforms, like, that changes pretty quick.
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Yeah. You know? And so One
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of the more entertaining use cases, to build on what you're saying, that I saw at the hackathon
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is one of the builders was like, hey. I have a pipeline of all the
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government conversations,
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like the the public committees and council meetings and all that stuff. I'm gonna start transcribing all of that, and then I'm gonna have my agent look for violations
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of local regulations
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that the county council is doing in public.
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Like, oh, the the regulation requires this permit be, you know, approved or denied in six months, and they're over the time limit. Yeah. And and detect
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that,
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find the plaintiff
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for the case, and auto sue the government
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for every single infraction
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of their own rules that they've been breaking, but nobody's been holding them accountable. Yeah. Of course not. Yeah. There's no journalists left. Like, nobody's attending these things. Nobody's watching these things. But, man, I sure would love an agent
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that called out every time they even broke their own rules. Even if it sends them a strongly worded letter in legalese that's like, hey. You broke these regulations.
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Please do this, or we're going to pursue. You're gonna see a huge increase. Like you're saying, it could be a tool
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for leveling the power field Yeah. Between the the state and individuals. Because the state's always had this much power, and individuals are very diffuse.
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Right? It's only a couple of big companies and others that rise to that level where they can have the same level of sophistication.
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But, man, if your agent can be doing that, you're gonna see a lot of accountability
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and a lot of transformation. So, anyway, I thought that was a very entertaining
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idea for you talk about. Yeah. I haven't heard of that specifically, but that is... That would be awesome. And and, yeah, it's someone
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within the not so distant future, somebody will be able to build that in an afternoon and then polish it over a period of time, and then, like, now it's out there. You know? I'll see the winners this afternoon of the Hackathon, so that day may have come. Yes. Oh, I hope it I hope it has. If it does, we should we should have them on... We'll have them on one of these weeks to talk about it and show it off because that's Yeah. So you can be sure as hell the state is gonna use AI
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Oh, yeah.
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I would really like an AI that's protecting people's freedom,
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And so, like, we could we could build that now. Imagine that concept.
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That concept. Imagine intelligence
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and and money and Internet that protects individual people.
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Yeah. With that.
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Cool, man. Well, great great hosting again. I'm gonna head down to the conference. Oh, yeah. We'll let you go. I hope the conference is great. Thank you, everyone, for joining us. We did get everything up and rolling, after all, on YouTube and and X and everything. So
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one of these weeks, it'll work first try.
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But between now and then, thank you as always for jumping on.
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If you are part of the community, get involved. Get more involved than you currently are, however that looks like for you. So thanks, guys. See you soon. Keep being awesome. Bye, guys.