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Wallace Miller: Hey yo, what's up everybody? This is your boy Ace. This is the Kickin' It Podcast. I have my two co-hosts with me per usual. Queen, how are you doing this evening?
Queen: Listen, I am doing good. We're in Virgo season. Birthday just passed. So you know, happy birthday to me. Why you gotta look like that? Don't be a hater.
Christopher: Listen.
Wallace Miller: Alright, shout out to our producer for the show, Tiff. Tiff is, of course, anybody who know know Tiff is one of my favorite people of all time. So shout out to Tiff for being behind the scenes. Chris, how are you doing today, sir?
Christopher: Doing good. Today is a good day.
Wallace Miller: You had think about it for a minute. Okay,
Christopher: No, not for real, but it is. Great.
Wallace Miller: Nah, I'm just nah, I'm just I'm I'm messing with you, man. But as usual, good to be around my team. good to be on here spending the next next the rest of my day with you all. So let's go ahead and jump into some things, and as you all know. Every week at the beginning of the episode, we jump into upcoming releases for the upcoming next week and a half. But before I do that, we do like to take a little bit of time and kind of reflect on what previous release. So the one big release from last week was the Air Jordan 4 Tour Yellow. as I've seen, just based off of websites. I checked, you know, websites the day after. releases are pretty much check your undefeated all your you know your jd sports finish line footlocker dtlr and it pretty much look like that this shoe has set I was able to go into a shoe store today and they had a plenty. So Chris I know you on the on the ground for this so tell me what what did you see?
Christopher: Absolutely nothing.
Wallace Miller: Mm.
Christopher: mean, because they released Saturday. And then on Tuesday, Dictionary Manager put a message in our group, the manager's group chat and asked, you know, basically how many do we have on hand? And from release date Saturday to Tuesday, this past Tuesday, we've sold like 11 pair. So it's...
Wallace Miller: Your at your store alone? Okay. I'm about to say damn, just the district like that's okay.
Christopher: At my location, at my location, at my location. Yeah, no, no, no, no, Just my location. And from what I saw in the chat, several stores, a lot of stores had several pairs, like multiple size runs. So they didn't do very well. yeah, there's another case of a shoe not hitting. People are still asking for the eights oddly enough. But we don't have any, so doesn't matter really.
Wallace Miller: Yeah. I I've I've seen stores that are getting late shipments.
Christopher: Thank
Wallace Miller: The store I was in today, the JD out of West County, they they got a run in today. So,
Christopher: No, okay.
Wallace Miller: you know, that could be an option, but you know, your store you said it may get theirs late, right? Or have you have
Christopher: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Wallace Miller: you got you haven't got any yet?
Christopher: Yeah, I haven't gotten any since the release date. Like I said, they were supposed to be arriving late. West County got some. Maybe we'll get some in a few days. Maybe next week. Who knows? But yeah, that's the shooter that I would like to have in store to sell because the Fords are, man, they're going to be at the outlets.
Wallace Miller: Yeah, unfortunately. That and that is
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: definitely a c it's it's one of my classics. It's one of my I I don't wanna kinda, you know, romanticize it too much. I I almost said one of my grails, but that is one of the first Jordans, like I've said on the show, this is one of the first ones I was able to buy by myself as
Christopher: you
Wallace Miller: a teenager. So it was just one that I never thought would come back out. and I'm surprised that it's being done the way it's done. It it's a little bit disappointing because I feel like the colorway deserves so much more love than what it's got, but that's just kind of the market that we're in right now. You can't really expect anything else.
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: Queen Queen, did you see anything or was this something I I don't remember you saying that you were even slightly interested in it.
Queen: No, I wasn't interested in it. and when I went out this past week I seen plenty of pairs on the wall. You can go in and get several
Wallace Miller: Mm-hmm.
Queen: stores here in the north and in downtown you could just go get not fairly surprised by this, 'cause, you know, the the shoe market has been very up and down of either it it may sell out or or it's gonna be a hard sit. And it seems like this one's gonna be a hard sit. even right now, me looking it up, looking at the Nike store out here, you can literally go pick it up tomorrow at the store. So,
Wallace Miller: Yeah.
Queen: that's you know, that's a little little surprising 'cause you know, we we want shoes to sell out, but then also that I think with these
Wallace Miller: Ho ho hold up. I I hate I hate to cut you off and I I don't I don't mean to be rude and disrespectful. We we don't want foods to sell off. We're okay with that.
Queen: Well we're we're okay with them not selling out but meaning like, you know, for Jordan brand to have, you
Wallace Miller: Yeah.
Queen: know, some type of movement to where not necessarily you know, it's still a chance that you can go get them and get them whenever, but then also with the you know, the height of everything with Nike, you will hope that some of these would move a little bit more than what they normally are moving right now.
Wallace Miller: Yeah, I I agree. And again, me saying that was all in, you know, just joking. I mean, as sneakerheads, you know, we don't mind it not selling out because again, we want to be able to get what we want and not have to worry about it. Does it kinda add a little bit, you know, of the toxic, romanticizing kind of feelings of,
Christopher: Okay.
Wallace Miller: you know,
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having to get up early in the morning or having to do, you know, a little bit extra to secure issues? Yeah, it adds to the mystique. of the shoe or as too. I think we're all kind of natural storytellers in a sense or wanting to have a story that goes along with me copying this pair or telling what it meant to me. So that is kind of missing in the game right now. But I mean it makes up for being able to get it, you know, thirty and forty percent off. So I'm
Christopher: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: I'm okay with that. You know, I can I can add that story. like, hey, I got for, you know, thirty to forty percent off and you know if Jordan's aren't selling. Then all the other things are definitely sitting too. So I do want to touch on with the releases. We did talk about the what was it, the Diamond Turf 2s, the Dions that came out last week. It was the 49er colorway.
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: They're not sold out, but they are selling. I've
Christopher: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: seen I went into one store on the holiday. They they got a run and a half. He said he got, you know, double sizes of, you know, the kind of like nine through eleven. And he said he sold all the two pair, which I mean it isn't a super big run, but he said that he's a f a friend of mine who actually runs a footlocker said that he's had multiple people call about the shoe. And Chris, I didn't know if your store got was this something that you can
Christopher: Yeah, we got him.
Wallace Miller: did you have a similar store or is it they just been sitting?
Christopher: No, we've been selling them on a regular basis. I mean, we haven't sold out, but we're selling them better
Wallace Miller: bro.
Christopher: than the fours have sold, for sure. And we got more in, actually. I we sold down
Wallace Miller: Yeah. I I was
Christopher: in our quantities, but we got some more in stock. So we're selling them pretty good.
Wallace Miller: Yeah, I was definitely kind of surprised by that. I looked on I can't remember
Christopher: Hmm
Wallace Miller: what website it was I looked on, but I looked them up 'cause of it's a shoe that I'm interested in, but you know, if I can get it on sale, I want it on sale. But I was actually kinda surprised that it it looked like it was definitely about to, you know, sell out. So meah
Christopher: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: it is one of those things to where it's every now and then it's gonna be something that, you know, is gonna sell out and that's not surprising we're back to school, you know, with Dion kinda back in the news just with Colorado playing and stuff. It it it it's one of those things to where that it's it's surprising but you get it. I mean we always have a fluke.
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: So shout out to Dion. definitely one of my as I will always say my favorite football player of all time. So let's get into upcoming releases. So there is this week, in which September is pretty, we're getting back into the thick of things with just releases being a little bit more consistent than what they have been in the summertime. You have the 12 bucks, which is labeled as it being a part of the Idols Become Rivals series. So that is dropping this weekend on the 12th. Now I can attest to it. I have seen I have friends that work at, you know, some of the Nike outlets here. And the Nike outlets have been getting a bunch of calls about these, which is surprising. Chris, you're on the ground, what would you say about this 12? Do you have you got any calls about it? Do you anticipate it selling well or is it gonna you expect it to sit?
Christopher: got a guess. I would say it was sit It's the white and green You know shoe color combination It's not I haven't received any phone calls or anything like that So no, I don't I don't anticipate us blowing out of those at all
Wallace Miller: Yeah. it's it's one of those things to wear is that it's it's one of those weird colorways. So y you just sometimes you never know. Queen, what do you think of the the R Jordan twelve buck?
Queen: You know what? Let me say this. I think it's a nice looking shoe back in my heyday. I would have picked these up. Just if they were in my size. I love 12s. I have the 61 plus pack with the Celtic black and green. So these are probably a pair I would have picked up back in my heyday before I just
Christopher: Yai yai yai
Queen: kind of start just wearing blue. I'm not a Celtics fan. Never be a Celtics fan. Let me throw
Wallace Miller: Thank God.
Queen: that out there. You know.
Christopher: Keep saying Celtics, I mean, we didn't, I mean, because nobody asked for real.
Queen: Celtics, that's really like a Celtic color to me. So but you know, This I think is just a good shoe that I think sleek that people can wear. You can kind of style it with anything nowadays. and I don't think it's gonna sell out, but I think it will move. Let me say that.
Wallace Miller: Mm-hmm.
Christopher: I hope so.
Wallace Miller: I I I can I can see that on multiple fronts, like I said. Just seeing people talk about it and people are calling. and I've heard multiple people say that they they like the shoe. so I d I don't again, I I'm not as optimistic, but I mean weirder things have happened. So just with that color being, you know, people when something's different in terms of we very seldom we get many Green Jordans. So when you have, you know, a a classic and you throw in like a little weird color, I think that may kinda entice some people, just because it's a little bit different. But to me, I like it. I don't anticipate selling out, so I don't have, you know, anything set aside to get it. So it's It's one of those things to worry about. We we will see. I'm I'm definitely curious, but I'm gonna call that it I don't think it's gonna sell out. I think you'll be able to walk into a shoe store at five or six PM and pick it up. That's just what I anticipate. So
Queen: I can agree with that. I can agree with that.
Wallace Miller: Yeah. I I
definitely don't think it's gonna be something that you're gonna have to jump across hook hurdles or even in our raffle for. So again, it is definitely something that you'll be able to pick up and grab this weekend. Now, speaking kinda on the opposite end of the spectrum, I do wanna talk about this shoe because it you're not gonna be able to get your hands on it here. So the Air Jordan for London is releasing this Saturday
Christopher: Mm.
Wallace Miller: and that is going to be a UK exclusive. Queen, have you saw that that particular Jordan?
Queen: I have not, but I am looking it up right
Christopher: Thank
Queen: now. mm, okay. I feel like and that's kinda tough you can't get your hands on it. Listen, good looking shoe.
Christopher: Mm-hmm.
Queen: Looks like really good quality from the pictures that I'm looking at right now. Dang. They're kinda th these are tough. Hate that they're an exclusive to being in the UK. I think these would do good here. Honestly, that's that's what sucks. Like they they probably will move, you know, over here, but you know, we guess we take what we can get in the United States.
Wallace Miller: Yeah. So it it kinda gives vibes of Chris help me out. What is it? It looks like. Yeah, it almost looked like a a collab. Yeah. Yeah. It it definitely almost looks like a collab.
Christopher: yeah, I'm on my year. Yep. It's got some, but yeah. Mm hmm.
Wallace Miller: So I I like it. Do I think that it will I think that you're gonna see some prayers hit over here, not saying that they're gonna release them over here. But what I do mean by that is some
Christopher: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: somebody's gonna pay to get them shipped just because you very seldom we
Queen: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: have have the opportunity to kind of quote unquote shit on anybody anymore. with a g I guess it would be considered a G R over there, but yeah,
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: this is definitely something that you may see at the sneaker conventions with Complex Kind coming up. I'm pretty sure you're gonna see at least three or four people with this shoe on.
Christopher: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: It it's just a e it's may not be an easy get logistically, but it it definitely is gonna be something that if I get my hands on a pair and I had to pay like extra a hundred for if they on stock X for like three fifty, I would consider it.
Christopher: Mm-hmm.
Queen: I can see that, yeah. I I could see three fifty being worth that price. Looks like it's it's stitched on
Wallace Miller: yeah, I I would I would consider. Yeah. I mean, it's gone.
Christopher: Yeah.
Queen: the inside tongue, it's gonna say say less on the inside
Wallace Miller: Yeah.
Queen: of the tongue.
Wallace Miller: And then
Christopher: Beautiful show.
Wallace Miller: yeah, it now if you're trying to wear the complex kind, shit, will it get here in time? 'Cause ComplexCon is the first week in October. So it
Queen: Mm.
Wallace Miller: already takes StockX like a week or two to well, to
even send you your shit. So coming from overseas, yeah, you might not see that till to like maybe end of October.
Christopher: Hmm
Wallace Miller: So You know, then it gotta go through customs and all that sh yeah. I I doubt that
Queen: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: I doubt that you are going to see that. But again, definitely I think we're all in agreement. It's a good looking shoe. It it's one of those things to where is that it looks like that they are kinda going back to more regional drops, which hasn't been too much of the case in the internet age or the past ten years. We haven't seen that as much, but we also do want to touch on that later on in the episode. Is there gonna be some of thing that, you know, could potentially bring you know height back for shoes? So we'll definitely touch on that later in the episode. And just kind of going through everything else that comes out, it looks like that there's a women's all Jordan Six Lowe. I'm sorry, air Jordan Six Low Desert Berry. Now this particular
Christopher: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: shoe I've seen it in person is black. kind of like a suede like hair material something. Super different material, but then it has kind of like your berried colored kind of like out outsole a bottom. It it's it's one of those weird kind of shoes. I don't think that I don't think that Jordan six Lowe's a ever sell. So it's not it
Christopher: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: it's not something that I anticipate is on my radar and I haven't heard anybody talking about it. I'm sorry. I stand corrected. It is black and it has the outer lay of berry And it's it's a Jordan six low. I mean, it's really not Much to to discuss. I mean, can either one of y'all think of the last
Queen: Nah.
Wallace Miller: time y'all ever wanted a a Jordan Six Lowe?
Christopher: Absolutely not.
Wallace Miller: Yeah.
Queen: Absolutely not. But this is my thing with these. It's I'm just going with the hype of social media. I think with you know, with this being a women's shoe, obviously. I think this might sell a little bit. Right now, the girls are into the pink. one of the rappers, Mona Leo, her thing
Wallace Miller: Remember you bringing up yeah.
Queen: she has that song Everything's Pinker. I know I've been seeing on social media with like women and doing like Group activities like Pilates, wear your pink, girls' day, wear your pink. And you know, don't don't invite me to a color theme thing because I'm not wearing pink. Okay, I'm gonna wear blue regardless. So I think
Christopher: Hehehehehe
Queen: that this shoe will move as far as like when not that it will sell out, but I think when women see it, it's a it's a low top, it doesn't look bulky. 'Cause that's what something that's you know, the women are looking to find something real sleek. They can make your foot look small, give it a little pop that they can wear as far as having something casual to wear, sneakers, they're wearing those bigger baggy jeans or whatever. The young kids are wearing jorts again and you know, I think the the little young girls
Wallace Miller: They are?
Queen: are starting wearing Yeah My niece
Wallace Miller: Enjoy it.
Queen: asked for some Yup. My niece asked for
Christopher: day.
Queen: a couple pairs. I was like, okay. you know, they
Wallace Miller: Doesn't it?
Christopher: saying Peyton asked for some jorts. Yeah.
Wallace Miller: Really? How d so is your niece kind of close to the same age as P?
Queen: She's fourteen, just got in high school.
Christopher: Yeah, P-11.
Wallace Miller: Okay, I mean well well but me and P you know that ca I would say that's the same generation.
Queen: Mm-hmm.
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: my my baby hasn't asked for any jorts normally. But then again,
Christopher: Hmm.
Wallace Miller: my my my child's a little different. She don't go with, you know, the crowd on everything. She pretty much has always been
Queen: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: had her own little style. But yeah, that you know what? Now that you say that, I have noticed in J D that they have been carrying more denim shorts and I've seen them advertised more, not just in JD but just in other stores
Christopher: Mm-hmm. For women in particular, yeah.
Wallace Miller: in general.
Queen: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: Yeah, that's I mean, I remember,
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: you know, in the nineties with joints in the early two thousand a pair of joints was you was in there, especially them Jabo J them Jabot shorts. Yeah, man, you had a pair of Jabot shorts back like
Christopher: boy.
Queen: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: in in tw two thousand seven or two thousand eight. You was the man. Like man, that that
Queen: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: was a a time
Christopher: Yes, sir.
Wallace Miller: I remember I remember when they first did the Jabot shorts. I was like one of the first people in my high school who had the black ones. It was a pair of black ones with the yellow Jabo, you know, spat inside. But I thought I was on boy. It was like, man, that shit was man. You can tell me shit. I can't remember I had a graphic T too.
Christopher: You was,
Queen: right. Back there he was.
Wallace Miller: I feel like it was It was like a golden girls graphic tea or some shit and I can't remember what. I had some Air Force ones with it that just went perfect, you know. You know, back then dressing like a mannequin was was in. So, you know, you'd match
Queen: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: from head to
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: toe. Man, that that shit was man, that brings back memories. But what was the rapper who had a pair of Keylock? Key Clock had a pair of Jabot pants on and the internet kinda went crazy for a minute. Uh-huh, don't know, maybe Jabo
Queen: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: J Keelock. Key Keelock. Yeah. He sing that song that Less you know that Let's Go song. You done you d you done heard I know when you hear the song you're gonna be like, damn, I've heard that song multiple times.
Queen: is you know that's that's out of Chris A's
range. Yeah, he yeah, yeah, he
Christopher: Yeah, I'll
Queen: heard the song, just don't know who it is.
Christopher: Do they play it in Jaddy Sports?
Wallace Miller: Yeah, they played that in JD Sport.
Christopher: then that's the only way I would
Queen: I'm sure they
Christopher: recognize it, because I don't listen to the radio.
Wallace Miller: Yeah. Mm, I don't either. you know, I have to come
Queen: It's showing his age.
Wallace Miller: out I have to come across a new song like either through a commercial or just playing on something. Because the radio Yeah.
Christopher: I just listen to what I listen to, plug my phone in, and that's it.
Wallace Miller: I really don't blame you, but yeah, pretty much Tiff prepared a a lot of different shoes for this coming week, but a lot of them aren't coming out till I don't want to touch too much on certain ones just because they they come out next week and we will have a show before then. one final
Christopher: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: one that I do want to touch on is is that the book two. We've talked about this before, but I think it might have got pushed back. and it is releasing the Devon Booker 2, the Chevrolet is coming out in kinda like one of those old it looks like a old box Chevy. That's that's exactly the colorway. If you s if you see that color, it reminds you of a box a box Chevy. Which I think is
Queen: Mm-hmm. It does.
Wallace Miller: I think it's kinda cool. Like I don't I just
Christopher: That sounded good.
Wallace Miller: Yeah, I don't could this be my first book too? It it could, but I feel like that this one is gonna be they gonna not make as many, so it's gonna sell out. Yeah.
Christopher: Yeah.
Queen: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Christopher: The hype comes with exclusivity.
Wallace Miller: Yeah, so it it's definitely a nice shoe. I like I told you all, I I'm waiting on his third shoe to come out and then I might go dive in on on Devin Booker's shoes and kind of see what that's about 'cause I I didn't like the first two. But yeah, we we will see. Hopefully Books line picks up 'cause it it's kinda I don't wanna say it's trending in that George, Paul George kind of territory but 'cause Paul George first three shoes sold. Like
Christopher: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: his first three shoes was selling and then that fourth, fifth, and sixth one just came out and they were just like, Yeah, we we
Christopher: Well, what was the number of the one that had the zip?
Wallace Miller: Before, right. That was the first one. That was
Christopher: Okay, okay.
Wallace Miller: the first one that I was like, Bro, what the fuck? Let you it looked like a swimming shoe. It looked like you know the shoe. Yeah.
Christopher: Yeah. Yeah, because I had them at the, I was at the outlet and we had them out there because they didn't sell. So
Wallace Miller: Nevermind.
Christopher: they sent them to the outlet, right? And then shoot. I mean, I tried them on. I was like, what the hell is this? Shoot.
Wallace Miller: Yeah, I mean it
it you know, I just the first time I saw it, I was like, I thought about it and I remember seeing, you know, like my little cousins at the pool and they had their little swimming shoes on. So look, that's what the fuck it looked like. It looked like a little swimming shoe. Like it just don't
Christopher: Yeah, them was terrible.
Wallace Miller: yeah. I mean my and the funny thing was is that I was actually looking back on Paul George's line because something came up and I ended up reading about a story about him and then you know you kinda go down a rabbit hole. I went I actually went to Nike's website and looked at each page that they have for each model. And when I got to the four I was like the shoe's still ugly as fuck. But I see what they were trying to do. And it but overall just aesthetically it just didn't look good. And the five and the six kind of look very similar to each other but
Christopher: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: And you can tell that they kinda their heart wasn't in it anymore. It's like they kinda wanted to get to the end of the contract and they was like, Yeah, we gon' let and once Paul George lines ended, that's when you saw Ja and Book got their deals and they started coming out with shoes. So again,
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: Paul George had a a nice run. His like I said, his 'cause Christina we were at Nike when the first one came out and I remember, I don't know if you remember, but when that first one, that navy blue one came out, literally everybody at our store had it. Like that was
Queen: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: it was super popular. And people would ask all the time, Did we have PGs? And then once we finally did get you know, towards the end of the run, they were selling out. Like people were
Queen: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: were buying those on a consistent basis. So I know that they are retroing his line, but From what I've read, it's only gonna retro
Christopher: Mm.
Wallace Miller: in Asia. Which doesn't make I mean, but they said that with the with the ST Charge that that was gonna be an Asia exclusive, and now look, they're coming out with those over here, even though they're on selling. I'm kinda I got my eye on that orange per hoping that it goes on sale. But yeah, hopefully that they change that because I would love to see the PG one retro. along with some of the other stuff that's getting ready to retro like the the harden. And yeah. Pretty mu
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: pretty much go from there.
Christopher: Yeah, RIP, call George.
Wallace Miller: Yeah, I mean he's he's he's he's a Celtic now. So dev dev definitely
Christopher: Hey, he sure is. I'm still...
Wallace Miller: definitely OIP 'cause it's I'm talking about his career.
Christopher: I'm talking about the shoes, but you That too.
Wallace Miller: but all right, let's go ahead and jump into our next segment,
Christopher: Thank
Wallace Miller: which we've kind of touched on earlier with regional exclusives. I mean, would you both say that regional exclusives could potentially be a good thing for the Jordan brand? Queen, what's your take on that?
Queen: I think for the Jordan brand regardless, they're they're gonna move the shoe whether it's regional, I think it will bring back the hype, you know, in Jordan's and that level like Chris was saying earlier, the you know, level of exclusivity of like, hey, only these many pairs in this region and of course we're gonna wanna like of course the The the London UK shoe. It's like, okay, boom, we know that's a nice looking shoe, good quality. And now we over here talking about, hey, well, can we get it? Can we get it in time? You know, it gives that that level like you you want it, you know. And maybe even if it's not a good shoe, you want it because it's somewhere else. Somebody else got it that you ain't got. So I think that FOMO level of not being able to have it, will will start to make things a little a little bit better with them doing regional drops.
Wallace Miller: I mean, is that kind of going into like what you're saying? Is that is it really a thing of not being able to get what you want kind of playing into that? Like the things you can't have you want the most. Is that playing into it? Because I think back to last year, the the Cave Stone Four well that that's a bad example 'cause the Cave Stone Four did sell out. It didn't sell out right away, but I think that that two weeks after it came out it was gone. So That kind of reminds me of that shoe a little bit. But I don't know. I feel like that that has always played a part in Sneaker's Head. Like if they sneakerheads, mine. If I can't get it or everybody can't get it, then I want it. It could be,
Christopher: Mmm.
Queen: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: you know, a Travis. It could be really Kanye shoes. It could be anything. If it's limited, like if this four, if they said that this two yellow four, they said that it was limited. That every store was only getting XYZ, you would have had I think you would have had a frenzy for it. I
Christopher: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: think that that that does play a role into it. And I I do think that regional exclusivity can help Jordan brand get back to a point because they are pulling a lot of things that were exclusive in some sense. They're pulling it all out the vault and just selling it. and
Christopher: Hmm.
Wallace Miller: Chris I know you have a few things to say. Like what what is your take on it?
Christopher: No, I mean, that's just, this is part of snicker game. mean, when it's getting low, you got to come up with different strategic things to get your name back out there. I mean, your name is out there. mean, but get your, get the hype back out there, get people back in the stores, getting people talking about it, getting on social media, people having it in the UK, not in the States. And then, I mean, on the flip side of that, things that are available in the States, not available in the UK. I mean, that just creates a lot of clicks and
a lot of looks and a lot of fanfare as far as people wanting the shoe. ultimately, yeah, I mean, they should, unfortunately, it's bad for me because I really like that shoe. They should do more of that to just continue to get people talking about it. Why can't we get it? getting on social. mean, it just, just, it's just good.
Wallace Miller: Yeah.
Queen: I think also the other thing is people rationalize the price. So if the price is a little bit
Christopher: Mm-hmm.
Queen: higher and it's in the UK, you're like, well, you know, I I can I can pull that price. It's worth it because now it's limited. It's in a you know, it's in a different region. It's like, well, you
Christopher: Mm-hmm.
Queen: know, if it's three hundred dollars, okay, yeah, it's worth it, right? And
Christopher: Yeah.
Queen: you know, you figure it out, or then it's like, okay, like you just said w yourself, Wallace, you're like, Well, if it ended up on stock X For about 350, I can see myself
Wallace Miller: Mm-hmm.
Queen: getting it right. Knowing like you like, okay, well, if it was a GR, not saying you personally, but if it was a GR, you like, I'm not paying 350 aftermarket. You know what I mean?
Wallace Miller: Right.
Queen: I'm only paying X, Y, Z. So I think it the price is two two twenty, two thirty ish, you know. again, price ain't bad. But what if it was three fifty, three, you know, you know, somebody might say, Yeah, I I'll pay three fifty for it, offer it.
Wallace Miller: Do you do you all think that sneaker culture is too dependent on sneaker scarcity now?
Queen: I think I think they almost don't have a choice in some retrospect of it because that's it s it just goes on trends in social media. at this point. It's like, well, you gotta hype it up, you gotta give it a reason for someone to buy it, you have to have them say, Hey, okay, it's If I can't get it, I need to get it. I gotta pay the price. And then that also helps, you know, like stock X to be able to sell more shoes. That helps with people who are reselling a little bit. Even though, you know, we don't want the resellers to be able to have all the shoes and resell and or you know, make the price much higher than what it needs to be. But, you know,
Wallace Miller: Yeah.
Queen: because reselling is actually going down. It is dying and it's crashing fast. You know, it used to be where you can pick you can
Wallace Miller: And I l I'm loving it. Loving it.
Queen: pick up any release. for a long time you can pick up any release they can they will get a lot of them these stores will get a lot of these releases have them just everybody was a reseller and now it's like like we've been saying it's a hit or miss these fours did not sell but you know if they can get their hands on a few pair of these London UK of course they're gonna have it in there for the craziest prices available. But having that scarcity is what you know that's the hype of social media now is You literally have to, like Chris was saying, you have to pull some type of tactic to sell some of these shoes that may not be GRs, that will be exclusive, they'll probably put more pairs out, re release some more later on to just be like, extras was available or something like that, to move more in the market. So I think I mean they have no choice but to to come up with these tactics.
Wallace Miller: And due to that unforeseen commercial break, we are back. Christina, you were going on about the actual the previous topic of just sneaker scarcity.
Queen: Yeah, so I think we you know, they have to do something with, you know, getting buzzed on social media to make it scarce so people will go buy it. like like you said, the fours that just dropped. If it those were limited, people would have went and got those, you know. but since it's a GR we're at a place of like, Well, they're gonna sit, I can get them whenever, you know, or I'll let it just like you, I'll wait till they go on sale. Let me see if they go People are more willing
Wallace Miller: Yeah.
Queen: to wait now versus before they're like, Hey, I gotta get it, I gotta get it. Now once it's limited, what you gonna do? You're gonna you're gonna try to get it. So I think they have
Wallace Miller: Yeah.
Queen: to pull these tasks, they have to give to certain people, you know, online, the the bigger creators to kinda talk about it and things like that. And when it being an exclusive, people gonna go after it.
Wallace Miller: We mentioned this before just with we were just talking about how they're gonna retro Paul George's, you know, shoes making it an age exclusive. Do you think that that kind of may be a Nike's playbook more, Chris, to do that kind of tactic to kind of build up the height in the US for certain things?
Christopher: Yeah, I think so. I mean because it's you know, over over in Asia they have a they have a a a really good presence over there. and basketball is global. so a lot of basketball players in the off season they do go over to Asia, and do camps and things like that. So it it's probably gonna be more so in their playbook to do things like that. test the waters on the Paul George, you know, release it over there. Scarcity ends up on third parties like your their stock X and your GOATs, they definitely keeping their eyes on there to see how the prices go. They might make it their make their way to the states at a later date for release. But you know, I mean that's they I mean what do they got to lose at this point? You
Wallace Miller: Yeah.
Christopher: know, I mean like I we said before, their lead is way out there, right? But still as far as what they the the the company is doing right now as far as, you know, stock and money and profit and sale I mean, it's it's all down, so I mean
Wallace Miller: Yeah.
Christopher: s start doing other stuff.
Wallace Miller: Yeah, it's definitely it's definitely down and they are definitely th they're feeling it right now. it it's I never would have thought that I would have expected to see
Nike kind of be in this position, but you know, maybe regional exclusives are the way for them to kind of jump back into things. A another thing that I think kind of transitioning into our next segment, another thing that they could do is probably think else out of the box just in terms of some of the you know collabs that they do. One collab that they recently just did, and it was the first time I believe ever that they've done a collab on the Earth Jordan 11. What is it about the Earth Jordan 11 to where is that you think that they don't allow people to use that particular silhouette to do collabs?
Christopher: I don't know. I think it's just held as one of the Jordans. I mean, 'cause they they have it I mean sure they they come out a couple of times during the year, whether it be a women's color specifically or the Jordan Lowe, but yeah, the holiday release of the Jordan eleven that's you know, an annual thing's been going on for the past how many other years? so that Jordan Eleven, I think, is like put on a pedestal among the Jordans where they just don't let people you know, get their hands on them to do, you know, their take on it. So, or you know, CDG got them, comme des garçons, if you will. They
Wallace Miller: Mm. Yeah.
Christopher: got their hands on them. And I mean, it's a good looking shoe. I but I what's the but that's the thing that they do too. I mean, it's an all-black and all white. They did that with the phone posits. All black phone posit, all white phone posits. Sure they changed up the texture of the shoe, but I mean that's their MO. They don't do a whole lot of you know, they don't take a whole lot of risk when they do collabs with shoes. So I mean and
Wallace Miller: Yeah.
Christopher: it's gonna be like what, five hundred dollars? Am I
Wallace Miller: Something like that. Like I ain't I ain't I don't give a fuck. They'd have to be collab
Christopher: That's crazy.
Wallace Miller: they'd have to be collabing with my with my mom for me to do pay five hundred dollars for a a a fucking yeah like and then it would be s it would have to be
Christopher: That's gotta be some supple leather. Cause that's crazy.
Wallace Miller: so I would imagine getting my hands on it, I'd be like, this is so nice, like I don't I really don't want to fucking wear this, like, unless it's a
Christopher: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: special event. I had to be getting married or some shit.
Christopher: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: That's the only It's the only way I can see myself, you know, wearing a five hundred dollar shoe out like that. I mean
Christopher: Finish you anyway.
Wallace Miller: Yeah, I just nah that and the eleven isn't my favorite Jordan anyway. It it's not comfortable to me. So
Christopher: Yeah, mine either. Yeah.
Wallace Miller: We okay.
Christopher: Yeah.
Queen: No, I you know, I only got that one good contact in right now.
Wallace Miller: Look. Well you just you're just making that face like you you know, you like you out
Christopher: Well
Wallace Miller: on a date and you see your your significant other with somebody while you out with somebody. You just you know, like nah, it's I I don't I don't know. Like I I don't Queen, maybe you can touch on it. What what could you do with the Eard Jordan 11? Like if if Nike came to you right now and said, Let's collab on Earth Jordan Eleven, what would be outside of making it blue? What would be what what would you yeah,
Christopher: All blue gum bottom. That's it.
Wallace Miller: like what what would you do? Like what can you do?
Queen: mean I think I think that's a hard shoe to put a design on in a general sense. One that's not close to something that they already have, or what they've been able to put out. So I don't honestly I don't know what I would do. I mean 'cause I I l you know, y I know y'all don't but I love the Jordan eleven. and I understand the pedestal that it's on, the pedestal of like You can wear it on the court and off the court. People get married in it. You know, people get buried in whatever. I think, yes, that was a shoe that changed the sneaker game. And like we have to, you know, we have to respect that in a general sense. Same with like when Yeezys came out. That Yeezys coming out, it changed the game. That was just a shoe that changed the game. So the Levens is a shoe that changed the game. It was unexpected. It I think it gave Also, it gave people who weren't hoopers the opportunity to have a nice looking shoe, even though they ain't played basketball. It didn't look like you had to have it to play basketball. And I'm not saying sh you know, one through ten was none of them are shoes that you didn't look like you played basketball in. But this was I feel like this was just the pinnacle of the silhouette of like, Hey, I can wear this out and you will never know I hoop, right? It just was a good looking shoe. I don't think, you know, letting this be in anyone's hands to do anything to it, to to change it, I think it may be something where Jordan was like, Hey, this is just one shoe I don't want anybody really touching. You know, it brought out its type of it it's it's a g it's it stands alone, regardless, you know, whether you guys like it. We know it stands alone. The tradition of it coming out every year for Christmas that they the move that they've gotten at so then It's that hype that it's an expectation to get this shoe, to get a quality shoe every Christmas that, hey, we're gonna sell XYZ units of this come this holiday season. And then of course everybody wants it during that holiday season so it's gonna move. So I don't have an I wouldn't shoe I I mean, I like the powder blue and white Lowe's. Like obviously I think they they've done a few different things. My oddly enough, my least favorite is the Gamma 11s. with the bottom being blue. That was one of my least favorite 11s that I've seen come out altogether. Honestly. I feel like they could have done much better with that, I think, in my opinion. But
people love it. I actually like the Gamma 12s better. I like the Gamma Twelves better.
Wallace Miller: that's probably my favorite eleven. I d I love the gamma twelve. I really do like the gamma twelves. The gamma twelves
Queen: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: were slept on.
Queen: Yeah. I I did not as a person who loves blue, I did not even attempt to get the Gamma Elevens for myself. I definitely got them Gamma Twelves though. so yeah, I like ev like I say as a p my myself they they had a few that I feel like were to me that Gamma eleven was a miss, but I don't I don't want them to just give this to me, like I say, it's a staple of its own to just give it out to start letting people put you know, whatever they want on the shoe. let's leave it how it is, I think. And and and let let it keep standing on its own. It's not it's that I don't think that's gonna change from our generation to the younger generation, even the un younger generation, I feel like they know, like this is the shoe, you know, because it's been such a staple during Christmas and parents get it for them regardless. And they, you know, they know and they get older they're gonna still get get the shoe regardless. Even my niece, she when they come out for Christmas, she's asking for She's she's fourteen. You know, she didn't grow up in in the the space of where I grew up, like, I gotta have these. She's grown up in the space of like, my parents had these, they bought for me. Mom, can I get these for Christmas? T T, can you buy these for me? And I'm like, Ooh, the prices is y you know, you
Wallace Miller: On up.
Queen: were yeah, you you up here and getting big kids. You say your shoe costs the same as mine. I don't know.
Wallace Miller: Yeah.
Queen: Well she's
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: I I was while while you all were going were talking about that, I was looking it up because I wanted to see if they ever done like a Dornbecker eleven and just about all the traditional Jordans from one to fourteen, which is what we consider to be the traditional Jordans that came out while he was playing. it looks like damn near every prayer except well the eleven and the twelve are the only ones that do not have a Dornbecker version of it. And
Christopher: Mm.
Wallace Miller: I guess I mean I guess for me it is one of those things to where is that I I would assume that they're on the mindset of you have to have something that is kind of like a grill or exclusive or hold something up to a standard in which like this has been untouched by anybody outside of us. So Yeah. I I just I I mean now that we kinda go into that, I don't I don't know what they could do and I'm just sitting here thinking like what could what could be done as far as, you know, a collab. I I I don't know what could be done.
Christopher: Let's have to ch change up the materials, make the flip the patent leather to suede or all full grain leather or something like that. I mean, because the patent leather is so iconic. I mean, so you
would have to put your staple on it if you were to get your hands on the shoe to collab or do something with it to do to do that. Change the materials or something. I don't know. I don't know.
Queen: But any but would
Wallace Miller: Yeah.
Queen: anybody want it if you change that panel letter off of it 'cause it's that's his it's signature. So, you know, like Well yeah, obviously it'd be exclusive, but
Christopher: of course they would because it would be exclusive. You would it wouldn't be it wouldn't be you you wouldn't be able to walk into JD Sports to get it. so yeah, they'd want it. They don't matter what the color is.
Wallace Miller: Yeah. I I just mm
Christopher: Mm.
Wallace Miller: ooh ooh. It it does it doesn't make me sad or it doesn't make me upset that we don't get many collabs with it. Again, I I don't hate the Jordan eleven by any means. I do appreciate the actual shoe itself and I mean I obviously I'll buy it. but just in terms of comfort, that is the one thing that turns me off to it. And mind you, I haven't worn it in I haven't worn Peru Jordan Eleven's. like out, out in almost like ten or twelve years. And the crazy part is I buy dam near every year.
Christopher: That's crazy. I stopped buying them a while ago.
Queen: Praise.
Wallace Miller: Well let me let me let me put the caveat on that. That's kind of mis untrue. I I will wear the lows. The lows I've worn. But the the mids I have not. The lows are fine. I don't know what it is about the cut of the mids that just doesn't do it for me. But yeah, I I've I've worn the mids on because to me I'm sorry, the lows. To me the lows look they look really good. Like if you get those like the bread loaves with a pair of like black Nike socks. They just in the summer, they they look nice. But it's something about that mid that just it it it hits my foot the wrong way and I'm I'm I'm just I'm at a point in my life to where that I ain't gonna be miserable walking around, you know, just just for the sake of people saying, damn, look
Queen: Ha ha ha.
Wallace Miller: you got that shit on. Like, no, I'm good.
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: I I would I would I would rather wear some some fucking some comfortable shit than to be in that. That's I'm just good. But switching it up, wanted to also touch on just Kobe's in a sense. Since we are talking about things that are, you know, quote unquote limited, the Kobe has been a pretty limited shoe since his passing, right before the pandemic. Do y'all think we're getting too many Kobe's or they oversaturating the Kobe market?
Christopher: I I don't know. I really can't speak to it for real. I because I don't follow Kobe's that closely. It it but from someone that doesn't follow Kobe releases that closely, it does appear that they do come out with several Kobe shoes here lately. So but the thing is I don't I don't try to get so I don't know when they do release, are they I wouldn't say easy to get, but are they ex more accessible now than they have
been.
Wallace Miller: I I'm not gonna say they more accessible than what they have been. The the Kobe itself wasn't certain ones weren't weren't easy to get. Like the Grinch was never easy to get whether he was here with us or passing, like that shoe just has never been easy to get. Yeah, that that particular one I can remember it not being easy to get. And I think like any time he's done a collab with like Undefeated, those have always sold out pretty good. And then I think that Bruce Lee colorway that he did, that one I think was done right be either right before he passed or like right a few months after. So Yeah, it it's certain not many Kobe's were hard to get. Unless it was collab, but now it it it seems like all of them are
Queen: I think for the Kobe's, you know, I I don't wanna say it's a bad thing that they're releasing more of them. I think if he was here this would still be happening. because you know, Kobe had retired, he moved in that that a different space. I think he would want the ability for people to have his shoes to hoop in to give them something to play in, even with,
Christopher: Yeah.
Queen: you know, these new players in their shoes and so a lot so many people have their basketball style is is also after Kobe's basketball style in the play. especially with the shoes typically being a low. so I think I think it's fine. I don't think there's a certain level of preserving and preserving his shoes to not be released to make them hard to get. I don't think that's something Kobe would have wanted, you know, with his past and in a general sense, not, you know, he's going way too early. I don't think that's something Kobe would have fully wanted for his shoe line in general, to just make it hard. Prices being high. Kobe was a really humble guy. I think they I feel like they made
Christopher: Mm.
Queen: I feel like his shoe being out there still keeps his his word, his life, his legacy alive. just continuously. And I think that's a great thing of them releasing the shoes. 'Cause I I love it. I love that they're releasing them. They're not trying to put on a shelf to make them just fully exclude. We know there's certain pairs again very hard to get, but I think this is a good thing to keep his legacy alive. you know, and then also you know, his kids are still here and they get to see his father's shoes sell, his what his legacy has brought, the hard work that he's had. They get to have the shoes, you know, in general sense to you know, this is a shoe my father has designed, made, helped, you know, all this other stuff. So you gotta do it while they're here, you know.
Wallace Miller: Yeah, I I I definitely would agree. Being someone that is a Kobe connoisseur in terms of his shoes, I have grown to love Kobe's lines since e even before his passing, like I was I was always a b fan of Nike basketball. And when that
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: Gumbo League pack came out for the New Orleans All Star game, the Kobe was probably my
favorite one. out of out of the bunch. That one, it it was just a good looking shoe. That was his first high top shoe, the one that the Kobe 9 that had the it almost looked like a boxing shoe. That's what it reminded me of. But it it definitely it it looked good now it's funny because like when I see somebody in it that's not on the court and how they wear it, like when their tongue stick out and they have it I'll be looking
Queen: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: like I hope I don't look like that when I wear mine. Like you kinda look fuck fuck off. Like you kinda look you kinda look like a dickhead, like a dweeb. Like I just I feel like that's a shoe you can only wear with shorts.
Christopher: You do.
Wallace Miller: Like you can't if you gonna wear like some, you know, pants, first of all you can't wear jeans or some fucking if you gonna wear some athletic pants with it you have to wear over the shoe to cover most like the the tongue the tongue and top of it. But yeah, other than that, it only go with shorts to me. and that particular model getting it on as hell. So my god, getting getting it
Queen: I can attest to that 'cause I have a pair. Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: on as hell. But once you get on your foot is locked in. And I mean you cool
Queen: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: for about for about like the first three, four hours. And then after that, you gotta get that more get this motherfucker up off me. But yeah.
Queen: Yep. Yep. I yep. Been there. Been there.
Wallace Miller: But yeah, other than that, Kobe's are
Christopher: I mean.
Wallace Miller: generally easy, you know, throw it on and it's cool. I mean, most of his shoes. Now the eleven that when they came out with the the black one, the fade to black that came out for Mama Day earlier this year. That was my first Kobe eleven that I've had in a while. I forgot how low to the ground those shoes are. Like I mean, literally. It has the grip and everything, allow you to be able to cut maybe, but it's super flat. Like it it's just That that particular motto I won't say is my favorite, but overall, I don't dislike it either. but the the Kobe line to me It it's it's definitely a top line. I I don't see many outside of, you know, of course Jordan's.
Christopher: Mm.
Wallace Miller: but I don't see many topping that, any Nike basketball athletes line topping that mainly. I mean, there's a there's an argument to say LeBron's line is better or even if you're a K D fan, I mean, maybe seeing like, you know, a few of K D shoes have outperformed Kobe's, but to me just f
Christopher: the the bait could be made.
Wallace Miller: yeah, I mean from from To me from one to I mean pretty much eleven the Kobe's were and some of the ADs that they came out with were really nice. Those I'm I'm looking forward to seeing some of those retro. Like I think it was the and the names got weird after a while because you know you had the Kobe AD, then you had the Coke Kobe AD NXT, and then you had the Kobe AD NXT three six like it was
it was so many damn like it was like w
Christopher: That's crazy.
Wallace Miller: It was almost like a Sega like how Sega Genesis had, you know, the thirty X two and then you got the Sega C D and all like how many more fucking things can you add to the title? Like it's just another Kobe, like name it the Kobe fifteen or some shit. Like damn. But
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: yeah, his the last two Kobe A D's were super nice and I know that one had I can't remember exactly what the name of it is, but Tiff, if you can look it up, it was a Kobe A D. And it had Nike Boost in it. It was like one of the last one or twos. It had it
Christopher: Nike, what?
Wallace Miller: had not I I apologize. Didn't have boost. It had Nike React. yeah, it had Nike React. I I know we got a Adidas
Christopher: Okay.
Queen: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: stockholder on the on the on the podcast. I don't don't want I don't want him to show up in my house and try to whoop my ass, you know, for trademark infringement. But yeah, it had Nike React
Christopher: That's right. That's right.
Wallace Miller: in it. And I think it was just the soul because the soul you could pull out, you know, it was a Nike React soul. So that was, you know, interesting. So I've I've been a Kobe, Kobe Lion fan for a while. So it's I I personally don't feel like they can come out with it with too many. I wish they wouldn't come out with many because it, you know, affects my pocketbooks because you can't you can't wait. You know a Kobe's
Christopher: Ha ha ha.
Wallace Miller: not gonna sit. So you have to either hit that day and it's it's not always a guarantee you're gonna hit. with Kobe. You know, I I hit more
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: often than most people, but it is you know We'll see. Kinda
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: transitioning to that, since we are talking about Nike, I do want to talk about Nike's stock.
Christopher: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: Queen, you've talked about this. I know you it's in your kind of career field. Like, what's going on with Nike's stock?
Queen: Well of course they're getting pulled from the S P one hundred. We seen that Nike has fallen their highest in the fifty in the last fifty-two weeks has been seventy-six dollars and ninety-seven cent. And right now, and within the last few days, they've been at about thirty eight dollars. more recently. they are losing money. The direct to c excuse me, the direct to the consumer has fallen about six percent. which is v issue for them. The other issue is their their sales in China has fallen about seventeen percent. and so they are losing money tenfold, as of right now. And I think it's Nike's own fault. They've they've they've fallen fifty percent. That that decline in the market of fifty percent. it I believe it's their own fault and I say that of this. Nike You know, for a while they let me say this, they were bigger than the program. Let's be realistic. They didn't have anybody coming close to them for so many years. that they were like, hey, we kn we remember back in the day, we had all types of stores that would have we can get the Jordans from DTLR, mom and pop stores and everything like that. But then of course they would not give the mom and pop store the leavens that would come out. You gotta sell these first to get these. Right. And so they they had that issue and then they started taking their shoes out of these smaller stores. And of course those mom and pop stores, these other brands, they just didn't have enough other shoes, other brands to sell to keep themselves open. So Nike was taking away you know these jobs and these other these other stores They were coming into the stores that they were having these contracts with and telling them how they want their stuff displayed, where to have it displayed, and things like that. And so, but Nike said, you know, we don't need wholesale. We're gonna take some of our stuff out of wholesale. We can do direct to consumer. We got our own stores and things. And don't get me wrong, of course, we worked at Nike. So we, you know, we know people coming in to Nike and getting things, but them stating that, you know, really I don't say Allegedly, say that they don't really need wholesale in these stores, but that's what they did. They pulled their stuff out wholesale in a lot of these stores and some of that market share. That left it open for these other brands, smaller brands to come in and have the space because even though a lot of things went to a line, i they I think they done a okay with their online present direct to consumer and then some of their stores, but they're like we did the article about them closing different stores in different locations, that They they're not on the wall that gave, you know, for the running community, Hoka on Adidas, all these brands to come in and ASICs, New Balance to come in and get this wall space that people get now people are seeing these shoes just because they don't walk to the mall. Right? You know, these young kids, they still go to the mall because they get dropped off, they go run around, they see something, they they they want it, they'll buy it. They're not strictly the younger crowd, it's not strictly Nike brand consumers as if as much as I feel like we are as adults because that's what we grew up on. And so now they're they don't have that wall space and they're they're trying to ask for that back. And the stores are like, we already filled that space up. What what can you do for us? How can you help us? Even I think Chris, you know, of course you work at J D. you guys have filled those spaces, you guys. are I think more diligent in what you guys put on a wall, things that'll sell, curated to different stores and locations. Nike is trying to crawl back into these
Christopher: Yeah.
Queen: spaces of getting that wall space and these these stores aren't letting up because I think they feel like, hey, you turned your back on us when you start pulling from our
shelves, pulling from our walls, and then we had to find somebody to replace you and then you didn't think these other brands will be, you know, beneficial. So they they've been having a very, very, very tough year this year and I am not surprised. They they're really trying to bring things back, but who to say that they will turn this around?
Christopher: Mm.
Wallace Miller: Yeah. I'm I mean, I think it it really goes along with what you're saying. It was John Donahoe who was the Nike CEO who really pushed that direct to consumer model. And while you were saying talking about that, I was kinda looking up some things. Of course, a Fox Oracle comes up with the famous Jordan saying. that Republicans buy shoes too. It it really has nothing to fucking do with Republicans and their or conservatives and their fake culture wars that they think that they are the cause of something. This is a complete Nike put his foot in his own mouth type of thing. It has nothing to do with culture shit or them supporting you know, particular things, you know, certain culture initiatives that Republicans and conservatives consider as w woke. or just doing right the right thing is being woke. It's is more so just Nike having seen kind of the residuals of that. It's the same thing with the economy. Every I mean, right now I would say that at the beginning of Trump's term, you saw the residuals of the policies and things that Joe Biden put into place. Just like at the beginning of Biden's term, a lot of the shit that he was having to do in clean up use were the effects of Trump. And when Trump first got in office the first term, all that, you know, economic turnover and good things that were happening was the effects of Obama's policies and things of that nature. So you don't always see the the fruits of your labor or the, you know, the bad stuff happen right away. So those things typically it takes a minute for those things to kind of rear ahead. So in With this, the pandemic played a part into that because Nike came out just like every other brand, pretty pretty good from the pandemic. But now, you know, three years later, three, four years later, you start to see that, hey, when people's pockets start getting tight and they go into these stores looking for deals, you're not on the wall or or you know, you're products don't take up as much space, there are there are more options. And it's just kind
Queen: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: of one of those things to where is that as a business you have to draw the line of being humble and not getting, you know, too big for the program. But let me let me ask you all this. Do you think because we're seeing a lot of retros, we're seeing a lot of older product, do you think that Nike has kind of lost himself trying to sell us nostalgia? Instead of trying to come out with new, more innovative products.
Queen: Yeah, I think they stuck with
Christopher: a hundred percent.
Queen: the same thing all the time. That they
Wallace Miller: Yeah.
Queen: they've been stuck in their ways and you know, yeah, every t every now and then something come out that we haven't had but how Chris said earlier they're just bringing stuff out of the vault. All like just consistently we like, Okay, well, this was released like two, three years ago. Do I need it again? These young kids, they are they're they're they are consumers but they don't I don't feel like they necessarily consume in the space of like, I need a second pair within three years.
Wallace Miller: Yeah.
Queen: They they look for something else versus, you know, our age, we're like, yeah, I'll get So yeah, that's my opinion.
Wallace Miller: Yeah. And and just speaking on that, Chris, I know that you are would probably know I can't think of the name of the shoe, but I just saw that Nike's coming back out with it's the shoe that Andre Agassi wore.
Christopher: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: yeah, they they're coming back out with that. I'm like, damn, like I had I forgot that shoe existed.
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: they're like really reaching back in the bag and just pulling any. everything out to see like what sticks. Like what what would you attest to that do you think that that that is hurting hurting them in a sense? Being stuck kinda in neutral?
Christopher: I mean they that's that that that is what they have trained our their customers to do is that they are a retro company basically. I mean they've just stopped being innovative. I mean they have they they they still have some innovation but they used to push the envelope so far and be so far ahead with their innovation, that that that was that was their mainstay. Now their mainstay is retro. So now they like they don't They these retros ain't sell try these. These retros ain't sell them, try these retros. They forgot about these. What about these retros? You know, they that is their MO now. They have trained their customer to basically go after the retros. I mean, because outside of the retro customer, they have the Nike Tech customer and they have the people that buy Nike socks by the pound and wear Nike socks with everything. That's the and
Wallace Miller: Yeah.
Christopher: the and the shysties. I hate freaking shysties. But they
Wallace Miller: Yeah.
Christopher: they they have the that's that's what they their MO is, man. That's what they do.
Wallace Miller: Mean I really can't think. Nike's big thing is i is one of their biggest mainstays is the Air Max. That is a big part of their business. I cannot think of
Christopher: Worse.
Wallace Miller: well, I can't think of the last time our Airmax like came out and was a game chang the last time the Air Max Airmax came out that was a game changer was the Vapormax. That was that was the last
Christopher: two seventy.
Wallace Miller: Which which it but it wasn't the two seventy it its sells, but it wasn't
Christopher: I'm gonna think about when it came out.
Wallace Miller: Yeah, it now it has sold. I know a lot of people that like that shoe. And it
Christopher: Had a million colors on the wall and them were
Queen: Mm-hmm.
Christopher: sold by the pound. I'm talking about when it came out. Not now. When it came out, it led
Wallace Miller: Yeah.
Christopher: the wall led with with with Nike with their max and it was probably about ten or fifteen different colors of the two seventy. Now in my
Queen: Yep. Mm-hmm.
Christopher: store, it's three and two of them on sale.
Wallace Miller: I'm just more so going to yes, the two seventy is sold. It wasn't the fanfare around it wasn't the same as what the Vapormax
Christopher: Okay.
Wallace Miller: was. Like when you first saw the Vapormax, that it was just a different it was a hype behind that. Like people 'cause I that was like right when I first started working with you. We couldn't keep Like there were certain colorways
Christopher: I get yeah.
Wallace Miller: that I mean with the two seventy, stores were getting in bulk, but there there's never been how could I say this like a shortage of two seventies to me. It just it they've been available.
Christopher: That was the last that was the last shoe that came out on Air Max Day that hit because they've tried, you know, with different like the DNA and a couple of other Air Max that just just fly I can't think of the one that just released. just here the liquid. Yeah, they
Wallace Miller: It was the liquid. Liquid. Yeah, like.
Christopher: they missing on these. I mean they're trying, I guess, but the like the DNA and the liquid and there was another one along with the DNA with the the DNA. full length DNA that neither one of them sold, so it really doesn't matter. That Scorpion was God, that was
Wallace Miller: The scorp they did that scorpion one that had the fork. Like, damn it. If you if you was a short king and you was trying to, you know, add at a couple inches, you know, maybe that would have helped you in that case because I
Christopher: They should have learned from the set the Air Max seven twenty. Because the two hundred seventy came out, was the back, and then the seven twenty was the full and it was big.
Wallace Miller: Yeah, seven twenty was war
Christopher: That didn't work, so they was like, let's try it again and rename it the Scorpion. Whatever.
Wallace Miller: I mean, I thought that the seven twenty when I first saw it, I like, Okay, this is a gimmick. A certain colorway might hit and there were like one or two colorways. I ended up getting a pair that was like at the outlet that was on sale. I got for like sixty bucks. But there were certain colorways that I saw of that one that I was like, I might, you know, get this one. But it ultimately just Baded and you know, like you said, the two seventy of the all the kind of like that was the Vapormax era. Of that era, those two seventies are the only ones that they still produce because they don't even make Vapormax anymore.
Queen: Okay.
Wallace Miller: Like Vapormax don't which is which is weird because the the Vapormax
and the Vapormax two, those were
Christopher: And Vapormax Plus.
Wallace Miller: Yeah, the Vapormax Plus is still being made.
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: and which they really very seldom will release like a new color. Hell, some of the colors that I see that are on Nike website are some of the ones that I wanted back in twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen. I was like, damn, are y'all like w what it what is this? So
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: I I don't again I I don't know what Nike is is doing, but Nike's my favorite brand. I I c I can a attest to that. I I will forever be a fan of the swoosh and I I think that right now they are just in a cycle into which they're reaping the the the actual I won't say benefits, but they're kind of reaping what they sold with sold with trying to go DTC. That is no company has truly ever really been successful in doing that. I mean you kinda you know, spread the risk out when you wholesale items. So when you now you cohold in the bag. So they will get it back together. If anything, my advice to anybody is shit, why this Nike stock is like thirty six, thirty two dollars, shit, take four or five hundred dollars and buy Nike stock. I don't think the Nike stock is gonna tank to where it's at is ten dollars a fucking share or
Christopher: Mm.
Wallace Miller: or where it's gonna be Five years from now I think Nike will be up again. It it's it's this shit is cycles. So we we'll see. But
Christopher: Mm.
Queen: I think one last thing I want to touch on is that
Wallace Miller: Mm-hmm.
Queen: outside of their, you know, market of just streetwear shoes, their running shoes, which is what, you know, Nike obviously was built on. not saying they've gotten away from their running shoes because they still have plenty that come out, but their pricing on their running shoes, you know, they are I think they're outpricing themselves in some of that space.
Wallace Miller: Mm-hmm.
Queen: You can get a Vaporfly, Alpha Fly, they're gonna run you $270 to $300. Whereas if you want to get something from on Hoka, if you're not getting anything basic from Nike like a Pegasus or regular Romero, because obviously the the other Vermeros again priced at the two the high two hundred dollar mark, you can go get Hokas on ASICs, any of those at about $155. price mark to 180 and then if you catch it on sale obviously it's cheaper now Nike's I know one of the big things Nike running shoes as far as Vaporflies and Alpha Flies we've been seeing them in like Marshall's and TJ Maxx and then the price is a hundred dollars right and then people are like well I'll buy them then for the hundred dollars right so they've been having to undercut their own price and put them in these other stores so they've and especially with the running community being such a a big thing right now. Not saying running's gonna be a forever thing, but right now I think Nike have to shape shift some of their sales and the shoes that they're putting out and s move back
to what they were built on, which is running shoes. yeah they bring them out, they launch them, but that that price tag, I mean to we talk about paying a price tag for a pair of Jordans. Right, just like, hey, this that two thirty, two fifty, it hit. But a pair you gotta think a pair of shoes that a person's gonna run in, they're gonna dog out, they're gonna have to rebuy another pair. You want me to pay upwards of very close to three hundred dollars or three hundred dollars after tax that I'm about to dog out in the next three month. If I'm if you're a marathon and you you run through a pair of shoes in three months with technically the mileage that you put on them. but they need to I think that's another thing they need to Get into the running space again because the on brand, the Hoka brand, they have come with a good price, shoes that people can buy, different colorways that people can buy, and now they have the shelf space because they decided to pull themselves from the shelf space. So people like, well, at least let me try these on. You know, instead of like going
Wallace Miller: Yeah.
Queen: straight to Nike, you know, Nike being the running shoe.
Christopher: Mm-hmm.
Queen: well, this, you know, you gotta think about a consumer, like they've been in a store. A salesperson be like, well we have Hoka, we have this, this might be better fitted for your foot, you know.
Christopher: Mm.
Queen: and then these running shoes, fleet fleet fleet, fleet and all that stuff. They they promote all, not just Nike. So I think they need to kinda lean into that a little bit to help with this this market of them losing a lot of money over this last year.
Wallace Miller: Definitely. I'm I'm definitely gonna look into joining one of these run clubs. I I heard they have a lot of fun in these run clubs, so
Queen: my god. You know what you do need to unbig your back. I will say
Christopher: Yeah.
Queen: that so I can support that part. Not putting somebody on their back, unbigging your back.
Wallace Miller: Okay, side show, but any any yeah, anyway, we're gonna we're
Christopher: Mm. Yeah.
Wallace Miller: gonna switch gears and real quickly I do wanna touch on the Clippers. the NBA dropped a hammer on them and
Queen: yeah.
Christopher: Bone.
Wallace Miller: yeah, they they got I let's just can we just say that the Paul the the Kawhi Leonard, Paul George era for the Clippers was unsuccessful, it was a failure.
Christopher: Let's we could we could actually say that that was probably the worst trade in not NBA history, but shit sports. 'Cause it's gonna
Wallace Miller: Yeah.
Christopher: last beyond Paul George and Kawhi Leonard. It's gonna you know, they're gone.
Wallace Miller: I mean and then just throwing in that y you lost S G A to that
Christopher: Yes. So yeah, they
Wallace Miller: That's terrible.
Christopher: the clipper curse is real. The clipper's gonna clip, as Carrie Champion always said. The clippers gon clip.
Wallace Miller: Yeah. I I don't I don't
know to me, you know, Stephen A touched on this. He said that Kawhi Leonard should have got a little bit more in terms of what he was find and what he was kinda hit with because he's kinda he's low-key kinda walking away from this claim.
Christopher: He definitely is. they they well to find him like seven hundred thousand dollars, right?
Wallace Miller: Nah, I think it was it was lower than that, I think.
Queen: I think so. Let me look.
Christopher: I thought it was seven hundred thousand dollars.
Queen: That's why I thought it was seven hundred thousand too.
Wallace Miller: If it was if it was seven hundred it went up because shit at first it was like hold on, let me see. Tip s it was seven hundred thousand. Tis just Tiff just said, All right, I mean, shit
Christopher: I mean, but that still ain't 'cause he 'cause he made
Queen: The dropping a bucket. It's nothing.
Christopher: fifty no, not fifty. He made like forty three million off of those endorsements for doing nothing. So what's seven hundred thousand dollars? Mm
Queen: Mm-hmm.
Christopher: Nathaniel, nothing. So they they just I'm I I think they they didn't find they they wanted to hit the the owners more so to discourage other owners from doing that type of under the table deal or to be smarter about doing it because I mean those deals are probably happening, have happened and will continue to happen, but they just gotta be smart about it.
Wallace Miller: Do you think that maybe the NBA may move to a model to whereas that they get a little bit more involved in approving
Queen: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: endorsement deals for athletes to make sure that we don't have this level of corruption? Because sometimes you have to protect people from themselves.
Christopher: possibly. I mean, because they don't want to have to put the hammer down on team another team like that. I mean bec but the other teams are like sh whatever. You know, the other owners of other f franchises, they they not, you know, they're not upset with what happened to the Clippers 'cause I mean those picks those five picks that they got taken away
Queen: Yeah.
Christopher: for the next five years or whatever, you know, those will go to other teams.
Wallace Miller: Yeah. I mean, you know, now that you say that, were the Clipper were any of those five picks already kind of traded to other teams that the other teams are gonna lose or
Queen: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: meaning like had the Clippers traded like maybe a twenty thirty one pick to let's say for instance to Toronto,
Christopher: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: do does Toronto then lose that pick? Like how does that how does that work?
Christopher: shoot. Probably not. I think I think that the Clippers lose their first round picks. I
Wallace Miller: Mm-hmm. Okay.
Christopher: think I think that's how it goes. You know, but shoot. They can't
Wallace Miller: I mean they
Christopher: they they just in a stalemate, they can't do anything as an organization because they don't have no picks.
Wallace Miller: And I think
Christopher: They can't trade anybody, they can't get they can't acquire any star or superstar talent. Because they can't package anything with anybody that they have for tr it's just it's crazy.
Wallace Miller: A fucking mess.
Christopher: Yeah, yeah. Who's gonna go to the Clippers?
Queen: Yeah. I agree.
Wallace Miller: I mean, I I definitely Hell, I mean they they just and then they just put all that money into that new that new stadium. Do you think
Christopher: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Wallace Miller: that it's do you think that them losing the first round picks is more harsher than the thirty million or w w what do you think like really hurts them? Like is it the picks or or the money?
Christopher: picks. Cause I mean Bomber
Queen: The pigs.
Christopher: got thirty million dollars. I mean thirty million dollars is still a lot of money to a billionaire even. I it's like he's a billionaire, it's only thirty million. Shit. I mean I don't know no well I don't know any billionaires. But I'm just saying I can't imagine a billionaire, you know, still not frowning at 30 having to give up thirty million dollars. I'm sure it's not gonna hurt his bottom line or his pocket but still he ain't happy about it. But I what
Wallace Miller: Mm-hmm.
Christopher: I heard Bill Simmons say that he should what the NBA should have did was give him basically a option A or option B. Option A sell the team. Option B is the the penalty that he got 30 million five basically for five years and you don't get your first round picks. And
Wallace Miller: He would have chose B.
Christopher: but the thing is the public has to know that you had an option to sell the team too. We're gonna make this public. I mean, it's
Queen: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Christopher: it's all just hindsight, you know. But I'm just saying, you could have had the option to sell the team. They get their picks. I mean, you just I'm stepping away as an owner.
Queen: Mm-hmm.
Christopher: Or is it more important for you to keep the team? Pay this thirty million dollar fine. Yeah, for him, yeah, for sure. For sure.
Wallace Miller: I I think for him yeah, 'cause he
Queen: Yeah. Yeah. It it's gonna be hard for them to rebuild not having those picks, you know what I mean? Like you gotta think you can't have a first round pick for f for five what five first round draft picks, so then you can't you can't get anybody that's coming in the next five years. And then after that, who's gonna wanna go there after that to be like, They don't even have anybody. They don't have a team to build around. Some people, you know, people may leave in the process of these five years because they can't rebuild. And then it takes you another five years to try to rebuild off of the five picks you couldn't have. So I think that that's
Christopher: Yeah. Yeah they
Wallace Miller: Yeah.
Queen: that's like a ten year stint of just some downhill stuff. You gotta think of people that might switch up and not not be fans anymore. You know, like Chris said, if they would have put out there that you know, he could have sold the team and that could have kept the team together, you know, you put the team before your own good of wanting to keep the team, that mean the city might be a little bit more behind you to to stay with the team and things like that. But since that option
Wallace Miller: Mm.
Queen: won there, they that's that's a t
Wallace Miller: LA
Queen: I think that's a ten year stint that they won't really have good seasons.
Wallace Miller: LA has always been a a Lakers town. I I don't think that the Clippers
Queen: Of course.
Wallace Miller: will I I think that the people who are Clippers fans are people who just wanna be different for the sake of being different. Like
Christopher: I think there are some true Clipper fans. they
Queen: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: Yeah.
Christopher: they might they might not be after this, god damn me. But the thing is, yeah, they
Wallace Miller: Yeah, I mean
Queen: yeah. As I said, that's five to ten years of nothing.
Christopher: But now,
Wallace Miller: Just sucking.
Christopher: yeah, he is a billionaire. He could I mean the penalty for going over the second apron and breaking the second apron and paying players just like you get your picks taken for the next I think up to six years or something like that. But you already you already doing nothing for five years. Just de
Wallace Miller: Yeah, went. Right.
Christopher: dig dig in them deep pockets, get you some superstars and just pay Just pay Take the fine. Take the fine and pay it.
Wallace Miller: I mean I mean shit
Queen: My well.
Wallace Miller: for him I I think our producer kind of posed the question I think for for well she posed the question I'ma just answer it the biggest issue or I'm sorry the biggest blow to Steve Balmer is gonna be the ability not to compete. The part of the reason he's an owner is because he's competitive. You see it just in how he interacts with the team, how he's always at every game. The dude's super competitive. but this this is gonna be because I think he's banned for a year, I believe. Man, being
Christopher: Yes, he's banned. He's banned for a year.
Queen: Mm-hmm. Yep.
Wallace Miller: not being able to be around some shit you paying for for a year. That's like imagine somebody telling you you can't go to the house you bought for a year. Like that's
Christopher: Hey. Especially when he man, he gon he gon he gonna get in that stadium. He gon he got all the money in the world. He gon' get the best disguise ever. He paying he paid he
Wallace Miller: He can he go?
Queen: Mm-hmm.
Christopher: he pay he paid the security. He paid the concession.
Queen: Right.
Christopher: He paid a parking lot. He paid everybody. He getting in the stadium.
Wallace Miller: Mm-hmm.
Queen: Like you ain't see me.
Christopher: Yeah. But he gon' have the best disguise ever.
Wallace Miller: Like can he go to the stadium? Like I'm saying he can't go to the stadium at all. Like he
can't go to the arena at all.
Christopher: No, no.
Wallace Miller: I'd be like, look, man, look, y'all got me fucked up. That's that's my motherfucking arena. Like I ain't I built that shit brick by brick. I'd be damn if I'ma
Christopher: Listen, you just
Wallace Miller: let a motherfucker fuck it up just 'cause I paid somebody under the table. Like look, like I I don't
Christopher: I'm super
Queen: Mm.
Wallace Miller: again, I I don't dislike
Christopher: Nog Nakawai in Toronto doing his that's crazy.
Wallace Miller: Man, that's what's crazy to me because Kawaii just so nonchalant. And the thing is, is that I would have told him if he would have, you know, because a lot of this is his uncle
Christopher: Dennis.
Wallace Miller: was is pushing a lot of the shit because he tried to pull that shit with the Lakers and the Lakers was like, fuck no. Like, we good.
Christopher: Mm-hmm. He banned too.
Wallace Miller: yeah, he should be. Like, hell.
Queen: Five year five year ban.
Christopher: He been he got a five year ban, but I mean, who care? I mean, he don't care. I mean, no one do you know what Uncle Dennis looked like?
Wallace Miller: Yeah, he got the lead pass anyway, so he don't go fuck. I don't even
Christopher: I'm just saying, no one knows what he look like. Ain't nobody talked to Uncle Dennis. So I mean, his thing was money and he got the money. So you like, I don't give a damn about being banned for five years. Shit, I did what I came
Queen: Right.
Christopher: to do.
Wallace Miller: Yeah, like it it I s I find this is my first time ever seeing him. Like if Uncle Dennis would've been on TV, I wouldn't know who the fuck he was. But
Christopher: Exactly.
Wallace Miller: but then also just with with Kawaii, like if Kawhi would'a asked me for some shit, I'd talk, why man, fuck you? He'd be like, Well, I'm gonna go to another team. Nigga, you don't play anyway. Like w why the fuck do it matter? Like it
Christopher: That's the thing. I don't know why they let them let Uncle Dennis and Kawhi just hold them, you know, hostage like that basically.
Queen: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: Yeah, basically he it has that dead be dad type of like talent, just you never know when the fuck he gonna show up. Like just
Christopher: No.
Queen: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: like no.
Christopher: So they were desperate as an organization.
Wallace Miller: Yeah, I I ain't that desperate because they they could have got they were how could I say this? They were close that year because they made didn't they make I think that year they made the play in or some shit with Doc. And everybody's like, they close. And SGA was like kinda they was like SGA might be, you know, a piece to build around. He's super talented, sky's the limit. And if you if you just think if they would have just stayed the fucking course and maybe let SGA blossom and get one other superstar, they would be in a completely different space right now. Like it's
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: I I I just know if I
owned a team, any motherfucker like Kawhi who show up halfway to work every fucking, you know, every year,
Queen: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: I'm not yeah, man. You you you go to hell.
Christopher: But they but they did get Kawhi coming off of V P type season. He took Toronto
Wallace Miller: Mm-hmm.
Christopher: to the finals, won the championship. So I mean he they they were getting them off
Wallace Miller: New.
Christopher: of that season. So I mean they were looking at it through their that lens, but still dog. Yeah, and they did. I mean, after that first time, yeah. After you got me
Wallace Miller: still re sign them to another deal. Like you you you got me the first time. You you got
Queen: Mm-hmm.
Christopher: the first time, that first go round, but I ain't signing them like kick rocks, bruh.
Wallace Miller: Yeah, like nigga, you you can go shit, I I don't I don't give a fuck. You can go anywhere but here. Like you
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: and and Paul George, let's not even get on playoff P. All right. He He def he played
Christopher: PG thirteen.
Wallace Miller: he played probably double what Kawhi played and still wasn't worth it.
Christopher: Hello, hello, hello. But the only time they did make it to the conference finals was with Paul George playing and Kawhi not playing.
Wallace Miller: Really?
Christopher: Yes. They only made to the conference finals one time. And Kawhi wasn't playing. Paul George was. I mean they ain't saying much, but I mean they're saying
Wallace Miller: Hey, that's that's a shit show. When was that? What year was that?
Christopher: I believe it was the bubble.
Wallace Miller: They didn't make it to the conference finals that year.
Christopher: Well, if it wasn't that year, it was the year after.
Wallace Miller: It it definitely won because it was it was Denver that that made it to the the finals that year. Jeff if you could look that up. Twenty twenty Western Conference Finals, tell us who the two teams were. Yeah, because I rem
Christopher: I guess when did the when did the Clippers make it to the conference final last year?
Wallace Miller: Yeah, I think that that was I'm pretty sure because the everybody was like, the Lakers didn't want to play the Clippers anyway, the Clippers got upset by whoever they played in the semis.
Christopher: That was that was Denver, 'cause they was up three one.
Wallace Miller: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was it was Denver. 'Cause that's why
Christopher: Yeah, yeah.
Wallace Miller: Doc got fired, I think. Or it was something. Okay, yeah, I knew I knew that that was part of the reason
Christopher: No, he he it was a little bit after that. Yeah. Yeah.
Queen: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: why he why he got booked, but yeah, that either way the Clippers were the Clippers have been a shit show. Clippers Yeah, it was the Clippers and the Nuggets, yep. It was the Clippers and the Nuggets upset, came back and upset the the The Clippers, yeah. So that
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: again, I don't
I don't know what to say. I don't have like any dislike or anything in my heart for any other parties involved, like Kawhi. I just don't like Kawhi ass don't be playing all the time. I mean, bro, if
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: you if you one thing if you really hurt, but your ass be taking that load management shit to the fucking extreme, like it it
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: it's cra it's it's beyond crazy. So
Christopher: So they did they did in twenty twenty one is when they went to the Western Conference Finals and lost to Phoenix Suns, the Phoenix Suns, and lost in six to the Phoenix Suns, twenty twenty one.
Wallace Miller: Who did they play? okay. That was one that was that year Chris Paul addiction has started, wasn't it? To
Christopher: His what?
Wallace Miller: addiction. You know, he said you know, he he said he was addicted to going to the finals. And somebody was like, congratulations on being Q Congratulations on your recovery. I ha I I hate how
Christopher: Yeah. See how that turned off.
Wallace Miller: his I hate how his career ended because again, basketball isn't my favorite sport. I grew up loving it, but my favorite position is always I love a point guard. So to see Chris Paul go out the way he did, I I really wasn't happy about that. So
Christopher: Yeah, that was bad. And I'm not even a huge Chris Paul fan. but the
Wallace Miller: Yeah.
Christopher: way that the Clippers did him shit. Clippers just a trash bag, horrible organization. Run terribly. He's the greatest clipper that they've had. Shit.
Wallace Miller: And you would think that they would be better, yeah, because I mean Bomber. Yeah, yeah, Bomber is better than what what you what the fuck if his name is? Donald Sterling. Like so y but
Christopher: yeah, downsville. Yeah.
Wallace Miller: it's just like, damn, is it the Clippers? Like, is it just is it something in the the water or the Gatorade or some shit they have in their buildings? Because yeah, they just fuck up. They they
Christopher: Yeah. Yep.
Wallace Miller: they could they could fuck up a wet dream. I don't I don't know I don't I don't I don't know what the fuck they be on, but we're gonna talk about one last thing and then we're gonna wrap this thing up. But I do want to bring up the iPhone. Apple announced their new iPhone lineup and everything pretty much looks the same. If you saw the i if you ever
Queen: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: saw we don't even have to describe the iPhone 18, because if you saw the 17, it looks pretty much the exact same. The highlight,
Queen: Mm.
Wallace Miller: the highlights of Apple's signature show this year was their new folding phone which has been rumored for about four four or five years now but the iPhone duo is what is going to be launched and looks like it comes out on October twenty third and we were talking about it before the show started. I have to say that is and I don't I don't let me start this by saying Android users I don't give a fuck. I know that you you've had one of those phones before. It's been out, y'all did it. Who gives a fuck? We we we're not talking about Androids. We're talking about we're talking about iPhones. And when Apple finally does do something, they do it spectacular. This iPhone duo looks really, really nice. And it looks like it has multiple it looks like it has a front, technically a front and back screen almost. So
Christopher: Mm mm.
Wallace Miller: I'm intrigued. It it it looks like it looks like a buy for me and and it looks like the starting price is gonna be as Tiffany quoted it, one thousand nine hundred ninety-nine dollars is the starting point. And it can't run two apps at once. That that's interesting.
Christopher: That's very interesting. Yeah, Apple got got one on this one. Two stacks. Hmm. Not about that. I'm still I'ma still be
Wallace Miller: I mean, you you you technically if you buy like a one gigabyte iPhone, you damn near there anyway and you I mean you're not paying it.
Christopher: See, they they love they love customers like you just start talking yourself into it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, I'm good. I still have an iPhone thirteen.
Wallace Miller: You're not paying for it right away anyway. You you leasing the shit. So you ain't paying it right off the bat. You leasing it. Look, you know, look, you know I'm down for a payment. You know I'm down for a payment plan corner after well fuck
Queen: Mm mm. Yeah.
Wallace Miller: on after pay. We are after pay podcasts. Like, so
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: look, if if w when somebody says, we got a payment plan, you know my eyes light up. So I'm I'm fucking with this. I will be getting this and
Christopher: En la
Wallace Miller: not in line I don't do I don't I don't do lines unless it's for some kicks and even then I try to I I got a person. Like I got I got an N. Like I don't
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: I don't do that shit but you know it's I I definitely want one. My my daughter sent me a like a little TikTok and it was of the maroon iPhone 18 Pro Max. I think it's just the color I was like, let me guess you want this and she yes. Okay. Long I'm cool 'cause I'm I'm I'm getting one. So I know my my two guy kids are probably gonna want a phone, but looks like everybody gonna be getting phones 'cause I'm definitely getting this. That I'm just thinking like of a movie on here, it's gonna go crazy. I couldn't imagine having to sit at work
Christopher: But
Wallace Miller: and not watch, you know, a episode of
Christopher: Well I
Wallace Miller: you know, Star Trek or some shit. Man, like you know, episode Star Trek Drop or I don't know if either one of you all have watched Lanterns. Lanterns is really good. It's really good.
Christopher: I can't I've s Eric can start watching
Queen: I haven't seen it yet.
Christopher: that. I've seen a bit of it, but she's she's gotten into that.
Wallace Miller: Until you see, look, it's good. I could if a la if episode of Lantern's drop and I didn't stay up on
Sunday night to watch it, I'd
Queen: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: be at work watching it on this. It it's
Christopher: That's crazy.
Queen: Mm.
Wallace Miller: it's a beautiful device. Like I'm just looking at it in landscape
Christopher: Ha
Queen: Crazy.
Wallace Miller: mode. yeah, this is and you can't even see the crease.
Christopher: I just look at yours.
Wallace Miller: Yeah, man, like it's because you know
Queen: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: I'ma have it, but the one thing I am gonna say. I'm gonna need before I buy it, I need to see a military grade fucking case for it. Because
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: that that motherfucker look like it dropped, it's over with.
Christopher: yeah, it's gonna be.
Queen: I mean it's about the same it's about the same same size as an iPad mini. it ain't too much smaller than an iPad mini. I think I think it's crazy. I know Wallace you you all into it, but one the price tag. Price tag is crazy. 250 gigabytes for $1,999 and then $512 is $2,199. That's that's crazy. You can get an iPad mini. pricing for
Wallace Miller: Can't put an IP mini in my pocket though.
Queen: you you almost you I mean, just cause you the only thing is you can fold this one like you don't need that. You can carry an iPad mini around like this is crazy. This is absolutely crazy and these the dedicated Apple people don't get me wrong, I got all Apple products, but dedicated Apple people like you justifying this thing on phone and a price?
Wallace Miller: I'm gonna get no They say for for for twenty for twenty four for twenty four months
Christopher: say
Wallace Miller: you can pay you can pay eighty three twenty nine for twenty four months. Yeah, that's that's a steal. That's a steal.
Queen: That's crazy, bro. They got one trigger bite and two trigger trigger bites.
Christopher: Add it to your bill. That's crazy.
Queen: A two trigger bites gonna be three thousand one hundred tribut. This is crazy, bro. This pricing is crazy.
Wallace Miller: This is gonna say trigger trigger but she said trigger bites. No. That's that that is a steal. And Tiffany Tiff said that it it has thirty one hours of playback on it, video playback. Thirty one hours, man, look, no man.
Queen: Man, you might as well get an iPad. iPad mini.
Christopher: Yeah.
Queen: This is this is crazy. And I j I just can't see myself, I can't justify myself paying this for the price.
Wallace Miller: Ey.
Queen: Granted, it launched I can say it is different than the regular iPhone. That's the I can see that a person not
Christopher: Mm.
Queen: wanting to get the same iPhone again. Cause I'm at that point right now. Until my mind blows up, don't get me wrong, it's getting close, it overheats. But until it's is done and out, I'm not buying a new one because all iPhones are just literally the same as you going forward at this point. So I can see not wanting to get the exact same iPhone. But if your iPhone is fine, I don't see a reason to get a new iPhone. Now if you probably got like an iPhone 12, 13, maybe even 14. I can see you getting this and switching the whole switcheroo of your phone and everything like that. But if you got one of the latest
Christopher: Yeah, fuck that still.
Queen: fifteen through seventeen e nah. This is crazy. this is crazy.
Wallace Miller: This is crazy because looking at the video, like I guess
Christopher: Mm.
Wallace Miller: on one side you got the video plan and then on the next side you got the transcript, like the closed cap. That's the
Queen: Bro, it's not it's not worth that's crazy. They got him. They got him. They got him so good.
Christopher: They got you already. They got you, bro. Yeah, they got you, bruh.
Wallace Miller: Hey man, it it if they would have put if they'd have put an iPhone dual like on a little string and put like a box on bubble, like a little mouth trap, they'd have got me, I'd have been stuck.
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: But I'd have been watching the little video on it. And it is I see the I see the cases.
Christopher: They should have called it the I fold shit. Talking about I duo.
Queen: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: I see the cases on it and the cases are It's like one of is sh like the one side is transparent because you can see this shit look dope. Like I'm I mean, you
Christopher: You're not wrong. It does look dope.
Wallace Miller: you got me.
Queen: Right, I
Christopher: Yeah, just gonna admit it. They got you. What's the what's the release date? When is when is it hitting?
Queen: we know. We know. They got you.
Wallace Miller: you got you the October twenty third, two days after my birthday.
Christopher: happy birthday to you. yeah,
Queen: yeah, he definitely getting that.
Christopher: you definitely getting that.
Wallace Miller: Yeah man. I'm and I'm a switch I'm I'm thinking about switching from ATT to T Mobile too 'cause AT is their services are getting horrible and their prices are going up. So I'm yeah, I'm good on ATT. So I'm gonna see what T Mobile talking about. But yes,
Christopher: Okay.
Queen: Do they have different colours of the doo or is it just one colour? I don't know.
Wallace Miller: this it's just it's midnight. It's it's w like a white color and midnight, which midnight looks like. It looks black, but
Queen: blue.
Wallace Miller: then again it could possibly be like navy like a dark navy blue.
Christopher: No shit.
Queen: Yeah.
Christopher: No shit. They come out with a royal blue, it's over. Queen.
Wallace Miller: Yeah, I said man, shit, you tell yeah Yeah, this this this is what's up.
Queen: And you know what if they do come out with a royal blue or something blue, they they they they just might get me. But also I
Christopher: Okay.
Queen: I got an iPhone twelve, so I'll be jumping. You know, I I think that'll be worth the price. If I'm cause when I buy a new phone, I usually buy the latest one that has come out because I keep mine for a
Wallace Miller: That motherfucker still worked.
Queen: time. Hey, relax. It it it's be it's hanging on
by a thread and and honestly
Christopher: Mm-hmm.
Queen: I was waiting to see what was coming out. Is it worth it?
Wallace Miller: Yeah. You you knew.
Queen: it get hot, so it's about that time, but that not the duo is not
Wallace Miller: I ain't trying to be funny.
Queen: the duo is not going in my pocket, not for that price. I don't care what nobody said.
Wallace Miller: You you you make too much money to be walking around with a iPhone twelve. That's that's
Queen: Listen, and it see see that's the thing. Sometimes when you make the money, you gotta make the sacrifices of some things to keep the money. See that's be the people problem. They don't understand how to keep the money. You just be out here spending it. That's how you go broke. You go broke.
Wallace Miller: Why don't you just use why don't you just use like you know the magical powerful stuff and have somebody else get it? Have somebody have somebody else get it, you know.
Christopher: Mm. I was gonna say you gotta say something crazy.
Queen: Sh shut up Shut
Christopher: That's an option.
Queen: up. That is an option, but still
Wallace Miller: No.
Queen: I'm wholesome.
Christopher: Good clean wholesome.
Wallace Miller: Never mind. All right. With with that with that being said, we are going
Queen: There you go.
Wallace Miller: to go ahead and wrap up the show. This has
Christopher: Mm-hmm.
Wallace Miller: been a very, very interesting show that I do want to give a round of applause. This is our producer's first show that she's ever put together and I didn't have any changes to make outside of just adding the little iPhone segment. She did a very thorough job. Tiff, we appreciate you. You did an amazing job. So shout out to you.
Christopher: Yeah, buddy.
Wallace Miller: Yeah, we
Queen: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: are again, I I will say this every episode. We are ecstatic to have you and thankful for you. So, final thoughts, Queen, what are you what are your final thoughts for tonight?
Queen: Man, we had a loaded show today. from the releases, that's coming out. Nike, they're they're they're falling off the clippers. I mean, it's it's a lot going on in the iPhone, you know, coming out. This was this was a great show, great segment. I think we were able to touch on a lot of different points on this episode. So I think it was just a great show all around.
Wallace Miller: All right. Chris, what about you?
Christopher: Okay, so my final thought has nothing to do with anything that we talked about. My final thought
Wallace Miller: Okay.
Christopher: is a shout out to none other than Mrs. Erica Walton. This past Monday was our eighteenth anniversary. She's put up with me for 18 years. I wouldn't be
Queen: Let's go for it.
Christopher: able to do anything without her. so yeah, I love her to death. I love her to life. yeah. Just a shout out to her.
Wallace Miller: went to that's what's up. Shout out to Erica. In two more years, she can apply for sainthood. You know, being with you for twenty years,
I would imagine, like Jesus Christ. But no, like
Christopher: I yes sir.
Wallace Miller: shout definitely shout out to y'all. Congratulations. In
Christopher: It's true.
Wallace Miller: in today's age, you
Queen: Congratulations.
Wallace Miller: know, that is that is definitely a milestone, man, because you know,
Christopher: Yeah.
Wallace Miller: you all have a beautiful family. You know, P is one of my favorite people. You all are Definitely good people in my book, and I'm I'm happy to say that you know you all are part of my life. So sh definitely shout out to the Waltons.
Christopher: Appreciate it. Appreciate that. Appreciate it.
Wallace Miller: with that being said, my final thought. I do want to shout out my Los Angeles Rams. I am a proud season ticket owner. And I
Christopher: Speak on it.
Wallace Miller: look, this is I I don't want to jinx it. We're gonna I want us to have a good year. friend that, you know, we go all the way and that I'm able to attend the Super Bowl this year and, you know, celebrate that W. 'Cause security might as well know now I'm on the field. If if we win, I'm on the field. I'm on the podium. You know, so sure, that's hey, and I hey and I can fight. So look, it's gonna take just call everybody over. So
Christopher: Like Kevin Hart when he won.
Queen: Yeah. Ha ha ha.
Wallace Miller: it is what it is. But yeah, shout out to my Los Angeles Rams, they will be playing the opening season tomorrow, which of your listeners is probably today for on Netflix they'll be playing the San Francisco sixty niners. So
Queen: Mm-mm.
Christopher: okay.
Wallace Miller: yeah, shut definitely shout out to my Rams. Aaron Donald, happy that you back. And let's let's go ahead, man. I'm not a hundred percent
Christopher: What time what time the game?
Queen: I wonder if Dajon love playing tomorrow.
Wallace Miller: sure. I think I think you know, I think he might have been on late minute scratch. He he's he's he's held up right now. But yeah, definitely best of luck to my team. We're gonna go all the way. And like I said, all gas, no breaks, man. Just I'm gonna take that from my from my alma mater from my high school. shout out to Eastide too. Their boys or their boys' football team is doing their thing and they're gonna bring another state title back. Shout out to Coach Sunk and Coach Trevor. I actually played baseball with Trevor growing up. He was a senior when I was a freshman Trevor used to definitely treat me look Trevor would definitely treat me like a freshman. He
Queen: In your who?
Wallace Miller: Trevor would would definitely, you know, wasn't afraid to let me know I was fucking up. And he, you know, but off the field. He was definitely somebody that I looked up to and somebody who I had a lot of respect for and I'm happy to see that he has been, you know, successful as a coach under Coach Sunk, who he did play for. So again, I'm happy it's football season. It's my favorite time of year. Fantasy is going. So you follow me on social media and you see that I'm pissed, just know that my fantasy probably not looking good this week. So other than that, I'm happy to do another episode. We will get everything wrapped up and I said, thank you for tuning in. We appreciate every stream. Hope you all have a wonderful week. We will catch all next week. We are out.
Queen: Peace.
Christopher: Yay