رونوشت کامل Episode 281 - When the Biggest Districts Say "No" to AI

starting to settle down. 02:08.042 --> 02:09.084 I had my standing meeting with 02:09.584 --> 02:13.636 my superintendent yesterday and I told— I don't, I don't think we've 02:13.797 --> 02:15.721 ever gotten that low that quick. 02:15.817 --> 02:16.474 I mean, that's great. 02:16.522 --> 02:16.987 We can school. 02:17.244 --> 02:20.178 It's awesome. Normally, we're 20s, 02:20.226 --> 02:22.727 mid-20s, and my guy's been killing it. 02:22.951 --> 02:26.703 We've had so many monitors break. 02:26.864 --> 02:30.856 I don't know. I bet we've gone through 20 monitors in 02:30.888 --> 02:32.139 the last month. 02:32.475 --> 02:33.004 Super weird. 02:33.437 --> 02:34.463 Yeah, super weird. 02:35.233 --> 02:36.227 I don't know what's going on. 02:36.644 --> 02:38.937 Well, my team was asking, they were asking for 02:39.129 --> 02:39.434 lunch. 02:39.931 --> 02:40.765 Oh, yeah. 02:40.829 --> 02:41.470 How dare they? 02:41.855 --> 02:42.977 Yeah, and I said, 02:42.993 --> 02:46.569 heck no, until we get under 30. Get back to work, increase productivity. 02:48.590 --> 02:48.640 Wow. 02:48.853 --> 02:51.367 And then I yelled, I'm kind of joking. 02:54.870 --> 02:57.302 So we'll see. I might be doing lunch pretty soon. 02:58.956 --> 03:01.793 You go out to your car and your tires are slashed is what's going to 03:02.293 --> 03:04.956 happen. What happened? 03:05.004 --> 03:05.716 Just my techs. 03:06.445 --> 03:08.064 Buy your guys some food, Chris. 03:08.242 --> 03:08.663 Jeez. 03:09.197 --> 03:09.941 I will once 03:10.441 --> 03:13.859 we do a good job. You know, I brought in a couple— 03:15.105 --> 03:15.138 I 03:15.638 --> 03:16.805 brought in a couple cases of Alani last week. 03:17.963 --> 03:18.075 Oh, wow. 03:18.300 --> 03:18.701 For Mike. 03:18.830 --> 03:19.167 I know. 03:19.793 --> 03:20.387 That's nice. 03:20.773 --> 03:22.764 Witch's Brew too. Like the 03:23.264 --> 03:24.177 good stuff that's hard to find. 03:25.028 --> 03:26.971 That's really nice of you. Anyway, 03:27.356 --> 03:27.597 whatever. 03:27.661 --> 03:28.062 All right. 03:28.223 --> 03:29.475 Back to school. It's all good. 03:30.391 --> 03:33.522 Yeah. It's definitely back to school. We'll say that. 03:34.324 --> 03:37.038 You want to hit one of our first real sponsors, Chris? 03:37.455 --> 03:40.731 Yeah. Lumu, a proud sponsor of the K-12 Tech Talk podcast. 03:40.779 --> 03:44.280 I'm going to put a link in the podcast description. It's to this article 03:44.780 --> 03:48.374 that they put out about Chromebook visibility. Lumu wants to help you 03:48.874 --> 03:51.923 get some visibility into what your Chromebooks are doing. They know that most schools, 03:51.987 --> 03:55.504 a lot of schools have one-to-one with Chromebooks. It's still important for us to know 03:55.536 --> 03:58.555 what's going on on those devices, just the same as our Windows boxes. 03:59.454 --> 04:02.601 Lumu can do that. So check out lumu.io. 04:02.986 --> 04:06.182 You know, it's been a busy week in the news. 04:07.001 --> 04:10.325 And I feel like some of these things could have happened about a month 04:10.825 --> 04:14.189 ago. We would've been able to distill 04:14.702 --> 04:18.453 these things or properly implement these things 04:18.469 --> 04:21.644 rather than implementing them or doing them in the first or second week of school. 04:22.317 --> 04:25.763 I say that in context, Marc, East Coast hasn't started yet, so maybe 04:26.263 --> 04:29.386 it is perfect timing. Maybe we're the weirdos in the Midwest that start way too 04:29.886 --> 04:33.522 early. Marc, you have been keeping a ticker going. 04:34.196 --> 04:36.712 I think your full-time job is monitoring the news. 04:36.857 --> 04:37.049 That's right. 04:37.290 --> 04:37.843 Mark the 04:38.343 --> 04:38.379 ticker. 04:41.461 --> 04:44.491 Not monitoring my wife's internet. That's what I'm doing. 04:44.669 --> 04:45.507 And that should 04:45.555 --> 04:48.875 be priority. Are you going to send her with a hotspot to school tomorrow 04:49.375 --> 04:50.149 in case it doesn't work tomorrow? 04:50.342 --> 04:50.858 It's a good question. 04:53.162 --> 04:53.792 I haven't thought about it. 04:54.051 --> 04:56.167 Would she know how to turn— would she know how 04:56.667 --> 05:00.307 to use a hotspot? Would she know how to use it? What's her tech savviness? 05:00.813 --> 05:01.970 Don't answer that. No. 05:04.563 --> 05:07.791 Okay. No, we'll just leave it at that. 05:07.855 --> 05:08.032 Move on. 05:08.080 --> 05:08.754 Mark! 05:09.220 --> 05:11.645 Is that a no, you're not answering, or a no, 05:11.709 --> 05:12.994 she wouldn't know how to use it? 05:13.620 --> 05:15.274 All right, moving on. Uh, 05:15.627 --> 05:19.561 actually, all of the stories tonight are follow-ups from stories that we've talked 05:20.061 --> 05:22.773 about. So, uh, these are, if you've been listening for the last few weeks, 05:22.789 --> 05:25.888 these are going to be updates on a lot of stories. So let's start with 05:25.920 --> 05:29.196 PaperCut. We did mention this last week. This was an urgent patch 05:29.696 --> 05:33.386 request from PaperCut. Since then, they have released I got to say, one of the 05:33.886 --> 05:37.303 best CEO letters after a security incident 05:37.335 --> 05:40.497 I think I've ever read. Did you guys read this one from the CEO of 05:40.529 --> 05:41.011 PaperCut? 05:41.556 --> 05:42.471 I sent it to you. 05:42.616 --> 05:43.113 Yes, I read it. 05:43.643 --> 05:46.949 Fantastic job. You could tell this guy put a 05:47.449 --> 05:50.513 lot of heart and soul into writing this, and he has a lot of care 05:50.641 --> 05:54.236 for this issue. So long story short, 05:54.253 --> 05:58.024 on August 27th, an education customer of PaperCut 05:58.524 --> 06:02.727 did discover a compromised server. Since then, they have released multiple patches. 06:02.920 --> 06:06.418 So if you are using PaperCut, it is urgent 06:06.434 --> 06:09.628 for you to take a look at their, their website and

make sure you're updating 06:10.302 --> 06:13.929 with multiple patches for that server and following their directions to take 06:13.978 --> 06:18.279 them offline. This is an exploit involving an authentication 06:18.327 --> 06:21.826 bypass in PaperCut's core service. So this was 06:21.842 --> 06:25.758 a P0 vulnerability. So they acted pretty quickly and 06:25.790 --> 06:29.449 this had allowed attackers to achieve remote code execution. 06:30.059 --> 06:33.396 So basically, your print server could be used as a command 06:33.896 --> 06:37.230 and control server by the bad guys through this vulnerability. But as 06:37.246 --> 06:39.878 long as you're patching, you should be in better shape from now on. 06:40.712 --> 06:41.225 And what 06:41.257 --> 06:44.755 better way to wreak havoc in a school district than cause the paper 06:45.255 --> 06:48.830 cut server to go down in the first 2 weeks of 06:49.330 --> 06:49.183 school? 06:49.841 --> 06:53.306 A lot of our tickets come in if they're printer related. 06:53.772 --> 06:57.269 Oh, we pretty— I mean, they get prioritized. 06:57.462 --> 07:00.894 So yeah. We say reboot, please. 07:01.888 --> 07:05.449 It's funny, I logged into PaperCut to check 07:05.721 --> 07:08.528 what version I was on and stuff. And when you log into PaperCut, if you 07:09.028 --> 07:12.120 don't have PaperCut, when you log in, one of the first things that you can 07:12.152 --> 07:14.830 see is the dashboard of the print jobs for the day. And it gives you 07:15.330 --> 07:18.534 like a historical view of, I don't know if it's the last 10 days 07:18.583 --> 07:21.806 or month, whatever it is. But our first day of school, 07:22.111 --> 07:24.805 I think it was first day of school, 70,000 prints. 07:25.302 --> 07:26.186 Nice. 07:27.616 --> 07:28.741 Unbelievable. 07:29.544 --> 07:31.665 Unbelievable the amount of prints we go through. 07:32.035 --> 07:33.047 You know who didn't have any problems 07:33.095 --> 07:36.357 with printing? My wife, because her internet was down all day long, 07:36.405 --> 07:38.639 so they had no choice. 07:39.426 --> 07:40.069 I rolled, 07:40.246 --> 07:43.540 I rolled the, uh, one of the updates yesterday midday, 07:43.700 --> 07:46.673 right in the middle of the day. We're updating this dog and, uh, 07:47.316 --> 07:50.818 we, we couldn't print. I broke 4, 4 copiers in the process. 07:51.252 --> 07:54.961 That's funny because one of the things in this article was the CEO acknowledging that 07:55.587 --> 07:59.120 administrators need like change windows. And that's why they were 07:59.620 --> 08:02.090 rolling out updates in different ways, but not you, Josh. You're just pressing that bad 08:02.590 --> 08:02.556 boy button. 08:03.038 --> 08:06.426 Yeah, it was 2 o'clock, man. Day was pretty much over. Hit go. 08:07.389 --> 08:10.616 I thought the copier in my office came up, so I thought everything was fine. 08:10.729 --> 08:14.213 Well, lo and behold, the main office copiers didn't 08:14.713 -->

08:17.988 come back up. We had to go manually touch them. It is fine. No big 08:18.488 --> 08:18.100 deal. 08:18.695 --> 08:21.780 The letter is good. Very candid. 08:21.925 --> 08:23.500 Yeah, candid. Super candid. 08:24.336 --> 08:25.637 Explains why they didn't talk 08:25.702 --> 08:29.544 initially. I mean, gets personal, 08:30.107 --> 08:34.304 relatable, relational, and then very— and then technical. 08:34.465 --> 08:37.573 Like he spits it out, tells a good storyline to it. 08:38.313 --> 08:41.711 Well, moving on to Anthropic, we talked about Claude for 08:42.211 --> 08:45.353 teachers about 6, 7 weeks ago. And Claude has— 08:45.634 --> 08:46.757 or Anthropic has— 08:47.403 --> 08:48.462 6, 7. 08:48.853 --> 08:51.200 Josh, put him on mute. Chris, mute him. 08:52.530 --> 08:52.854 Kick him. 08:53.617 --> 08:55.939 You did it. You're so 2025, 08:56.036 --> 08:59.299 Josh. All right. God, you just 08:59.799 --> 09:03.097 threw me off here. About 6 09:03.145 --> 09:06.027 weeks ago, only 6, exactly 6 weeks ago, 09:06.140 --> 09:07.379 no more than 6. 09:07.428 --> 09:09.005 Not 7 weeks ago. No. 09:09.649 --> 09:13.274 Anthropic released Claude for teachers. We had some concerns about 09:13.774 --> 09:16.487 it. I had written a post on LinkedIn about my concerns of releasing a tool 09:16.987 --> 09:20.175 for teachers without any sort of district controls. 09:20.785 --> 09:24.816 Since then, I have been actually in conversations with Anthropic about what 09:24.864 --> 09:28.317 do districts need, and they have released their offering in 09:28.817 --> 09:31.817 the last week. You can now, if you are a K-12 district, you can sign 09:31.914 --> 09:34.692 up at claw.ai/k12districts. 09:35.286 --> 09:38.514 You verify that you are who you are. You'll add a TXT record to 09:39.014 --> 09:42.175 your DNS to claim ownership. And then from there, you can 09:42.191 --> 09:45.789 claim back all of those teacher accounts and put on security controls. 09:46.142 --> 09:49.603 Josh, you were probably one of the first people to do that. How'd the 09:50.103 --> 09:50.328 process go? 09:50.971 --> 09:53.805 Smooth. Very, very smooth. I would like to back 09:53.870 --> 09:57.453 up for a second, Mark. I think we can call your, your note on 09:57.583 --> 09:59.261 LinkedIn a manifesto. 10:01.306 --> 10:04.378 It, it was long. It wasn't threatening in any way. 10:04.443 --> 10:05.006 It wasn't 10:05.506 --> 10:08.545 long. I just had a few points that, 10:09.390 --> 10:11.069 you know, got somebody's attention. 10:11.440 --> 10:13.200 And let's just say you had to scroll to 10:13.216 --> 10:14.201 read the whole thing. Yeah. 10:14.508 --> 10:18.426 And like 10, 10.5 Like 10:18.926 --> 10:22.418 you had to scroll. No, no, I— yeah, 10:22.450 --> 10:25.800 I signed up as— I don't remember who it was that sent 10:26.300 --> 10:28.718 me the link. Someone sent me the link to sign up. Yeah, I signed up. 10:28.798 --> 10:32.293 It was super easy to create the district account. And then, you know, 10:32.309 --> 10:36.140 most administrators at this point have gone through or some 10:36.640 --> 10:39.987 other service to verify you own the domain by adding a TXT record. 10:40.067 --> 10:43.642 That's, that's nothing new for people like us. So that was super 10:43.835 --> 10:46.949 easy. I was verified relatively quickly, 10:48.105 --> 10:51.637 was able to go through the settings. They're pretty 10:52.137 --> 10:56.438 self-explanatory. And then I hit the button for— or I did the SSO process, 10:56.454 --> 10:59.585 which was super quick. Again, that's nothing new for us. 10:59.746 --> 11:03.455 Like we've done other SSO products before, did that 11:04.065 --> 11:07.517 and hit convert my accounts. And we had— I think it showed 11:08.017 --> 11:11.706 me you get to download a CSV file of the accounts that exist 11:12.206 --> 11:15.842 with your domain in use. I think we had 9, and then those 11:15.955 --> 11:19.242 9 people got emails that said you have until X date— I 11:19.742 --> 11:23.042 think it's the end of September— to convert your account into 11:23.170 --> 11:26.665 the district account. I did mine, my superintendent 11:26.697 --> 11:29.872 did hers, and it just— it literally— it gives you the option, do you want 11:30.372 --> 11:32.630 to copy over the stuff that you have existing, or do you want to start 11:33.130 --> 11:32.935 fresh? 11:33.111 --> 11:33.191 Yeah. 11:33.496 --> 11:36.943 I copied all my stuff over, and all of my prior chats with 11:36.959 --> 11:41.016 Claude are there. And I'm, we're rocking, man. I got Claude Cowork installed. 11:41.064 --> 11:44.223 I'm getting my daily, uh, what do they call that? The daily, 11:44.495 --> 11:47.959 the morning, morning digest, whatever that thing's called. 11:48.087 --> 11:51.791 I love that thing. Searching my mail, searching my calendar. 11:52.176 --> 11:52.913 Yeah, it's great. 11:53.859 --> 11:55.559 Great. And I'm not doing any 11:56.059 --> 11:59.103 of that because we don't approve of Claude yet because we have a vetting and 11:59.603 --> 12:03.239 approval process. So unlike Josh, I did not press the 12:03.255 --> 12:06.527 buttons and add it to my calendar and my Gmail and give it a 12:07.027 --> 12:09.949 digest every day of my life. I, because I vet everything now. 12:10.463 --> 12:10.801 Sure. 12:10.865 --> 12:11.122 No. 12:11.444 --> 12:15.107 And Josh just lives free and just uploads 12:15.283 --> 12:17.758 anything to AI now. He has no standards. 12:18.336 --> 12:21.244 He just picks every terms of service he can. 12:21.854 --> 12:25.598 He drank the plot Kool-Aid. I load terms of service 12:25.726 --> 12:28.956 into AI and have it tell me about terms of services. No, 12:29.438 --> 12:33.180 my rationale for claiming the domain early, 12:33.293 --> 12:37.029 quickly, whatever you want to say, is to get a handle on those 12:37.206 --> 12:40.878 other accounts that were out there. And if you don't enable 12:41.135 --> 12:43.733 SSO

for your entire structure, 12:44.503 --> 12:47.919 those— anybody new can't log in to create an account. 12:47.983 --> 12:52.522 So from my, my opinion is go 12:52.602 --> 12:56.547 out, claim the domain, take ownership, create SSO. 12:56.627 --> 12:59.740 And if you don't want to roll it out, just Keep that circle 13:00.142 --> 13:03.338 of people that have approval to SSO and create accounts small. 13:04.253 --> 13:05.795 You don't have to give it to everybody right away. 13:06.887 --> 13:07.369 That was one of the 13:07.869 --> 13:11.320 debates afterwards is if we're not adopting this or we haven't even discussed 13:11.820 --> 13:15.319 this, why should I go through this approval process and claim this domain? I think, 13:15.335 --> 13:19.367 Josh, you raised a good point around these teachers are creating accounts 13:19.736 --> 13:23.173 on their own. And by claiming this domain, you're not necessarily saying 13:23.269 --> 13:26.787 we're going to roll this out, but you are getting the ability to get control 13:26.836 --> 13:29.052 over those accounts. That was my point. 13:29.213 --> 13:30.466 Yeah. And I agree. 13:30.739 --> 13:34.065 And if you set it right, you can prevent staff 13:34.193 --> 13:37.969 from creating those shadow IT or shadow 13:38.129 --> 13:39.912 AI accounts without your knowledge. 13:40.555 --> 13:40.925 I think it's, 13:41.905 --> 13:45.873 we can, or I can lightly say it, the magic 13:46.373 --> 13:49.600 school, all of our teachers got accounts and then you 13:49.632 --> 13:53.069 can only really get that insight and get that look if you did paid Magic 13:53.569 --> 13:56.794 School. School districts had to wrestle with that. This is not that. 13:56.843 --> 13:59.749 Like, it's free and you can have some insight. 14:00.776 --> 14:03.940 Well, caveat to that, it's free, they're saying, for a year. 14:04.502 --> 14:08.146 So that— I've talked to a couple districts, that's the big question 14:08.243 --> 14:11.936 of, do I put effort, time, and allow people to 14:12.016 --> 14:14.328 onboard with this if the rug will be yanked? 14:15.388 --> 14:18.999 Right now, right now, that's The statement is a 14:19.499 --> 14:23.283 year. And I understand they can't forecast beyond that. 14:23.748 --> 14:27.679 I get it. And I also understand those districts' mentality of, well, if it's 14:28.179 --> 14:32.058 just a year, I'm not doing it. But again, I would argue 14:32.829 --> 14:36.230 to claim the domain to prevent your teachers from doing it on their own. 14:36.887 --> 14:37.160 Yeah. 14:37.850 --> 14:40.144 Way different vibe than the ChatGPT stuff we went 14:40.192 --> 14:44.123 through, right? Where it was, it was pretty up 14:44.623 --> 14:45.263 in the air at the very beginning. 14:46.195 --> 14:48.186 Well, and I'm still waiting for verification, 14:48.459 --> 14:52.248 I think, of my domain with ChatGPT. I told them I 14:52.296 --> 14:55.861 have my domain, but then I don't know, I guess I only did half. 14:55.941 -->

14:57.193 So I'm still waiting on that. 14:57.707 --> 14:59.811 So I did have conversations with Anthropic about 14:59.923 --> 15:03.552 just that, the pricing and how do you let 15:04.052 --> 15:07.630 districts know what the future is going to look like. And I think it's 15:08.130 --> 15:11.612 hard because, you know, from their perspective, this is their education team 15:11.660 --> 15:14.920 is under a team called Beneficial Deployments. And so This 15:15.017 --> 15:18.479 is not a capital venture 15:18.979 --> 15:22.166 for them. This is not a money-making venture for them. But at the same time, 15:22.263 --> 15:25.905 they're not the people who can make promises forever and ever 15:26.405 --> 15:29.841 and ever. So that's why there is that date there. I can't say, 15:29.857 --> 15:32.955 I don't think they can say what their plans are after that date right now. 15:33.245 --> 15:36.417 But at the same time, this is intended to be a 15:36.546 --> 15:37.592 beneficial deployment. 15:37.978 --> 15:38.880 That's an interesting term. 15:39.990 --> 15:42.700 So at bare minimum, Go claim your stuff. 15:43.583 --> 15:44.177 I think 15:44.677 --> 15:47.756 so. Chris, you going to claim your domain tomorrow? Are you doing it right now? 15:49.040 --> 15:50.934 I probably won't just because you guys are talking about it. 15:51.528 --> 15:52.475 Yeah. 15:53.229 --> 15:56.696 Well, that ends all the happy news or the— 15:56.824 --> 15:59.055 sorry, that ends all the happy ANI news. 15:59.168 --> 16:03.052 Let's go down to New York who 16:03.180 --> 16:06.583 released their updates. Now, was it last week or 2 weeks ago we talked about 16:06.615 --> 16:09.697 how New York has been having community meetings? There's been a lot of outrage. 16:10.162 --> 16:14.218 Well, the mayor and chancellor have come out with their next steps, which is 16:15.116 --> 16:18.241 a pause on AI in grades K to 8. 16:18.674 --> 16:22.442 So this would be a complete ban on student-facing generative AI tools. 16:22.987 --> 16:26.577 At the high school, there'll be limited, uh, students must complete 16:27.077 --> 16:30.024 2 45-minute AI literacy modules. Of course, 16:30.040 --> 16:33.887 there is going to be exceptions for, uh, IEPs or 16:34.387 --> 16:38.217 other, uh, specific purposes. But along with that, they also released 16:38.458 --> 16:42.533 some screen time restrictions. Now, they're banning K-2, so no 16:42.709 --> 16:45.918 individual one-on-one screen time. So, there's still 16:46.418 --> 16:49.399 going to be technology in these classrooms, but you're not going to have a one-to-one 16:49.929 --> 16:54.549 device program in grades K-2. Grades 3-5 16:54.565 --> 16:57.742 will be a recommended maximum of 30 minutes a day. 16:58.432 --> 17:01.528 Grades 6-8 are a recommended maximum of 45 minutes 17:01.640 --> 17:05.571 daily. Keep in mind those are recommended maximums. These are not hard limits. 17:06.598 --> 17:10.047 And then grades 9 to 12 is where it gets a little bit looser, 17:10.079 --> 17:13.946 more— there's less restrictions being applied to them. This has been met with 17:14.299 --> 17:18.646 quite a lot of fanfare from those people who are— from those who are concerned 17:19.146 --> 17:21.983 about AI in schools. I will say, when you look over this, 17:22.657 --> 17:26.588 I don't think this is that monumental or big 17:27.088 --> 17:30.811 of a shift. It's I would say it's more aligned with what 17:30.907 --> 17:34.425 most classrooms are doing right now. You are seeing 17:34.521 --> 17:37.846 less and less 1-to-1 device programs in grades K-2. 17:38.312 --> 17:41.573 I gotta say, in a district the size of New York, that is just as 17:41.589 --> 17:45.653 much of a cost savings benefit as it is an instructional 17:45.701 --> 17:46.151 design. 17:46.327 --> 17:46.600 Yeah. 17:47.468 --> 17:48.881 And I think, you know, by them saying 17:48.897 --> 17:52.833 a recommended maximum of 30 to 45 minutes a day for grades 2 17:52.865 --> 17:56.284 or 3 to It just kind of puts more 17:56.349 --> 17:59.650 best practices in the hands of teachers without kind of tying their hands behind their 17:59.667 --> 18:03.017 back. So I'm in favor of what New York is doing. Again, 18:03.065 --> 18:04.403 this is only a 1-year pause though. 18:04.933 --> 18:05.930 Mark, refresh my memory. 18:06.026 --> 18:10.382 Did it call out an allowance for state 18:10.882 --> 18:13.390 assessment or reading assessment, reading plan tools like that? 18:13.986 --> 18:14.952 Yeah, absolutely. 18:15.081 --> 18:15.500 For lower levels? 18:15.613 --> 18:15.774 Yep. 18:16.080 --> 18:16.402 Yeah, yeah. 18:16.644 --> 18:18.013 So those number 18:18.513 --> 18:21.155 bands are more for edtech apps, learning apps. 18:21.993 --> 18:25.798 Diagnostic assessments, district assessments, district initiatives are 18:25.911 --> 18:26.617 excluded from that. 18:27.388 --> 18:29.058 So really, they're not going to get rid 18:29.558 --> 18:32.735 of all of the devices in the elementary buildings. They're probably— you, 18:32.895 --> 18:36.091 you can assume cart-based system where they'll still be able to 18:36.107 --> 18:39.334 do their reading assessments and math assessments and stuff like that. 18:39.800 --> 18:43.926 And I think really, that's go— I could completely 18:44.055 --> 18:48.052 get on board with this model. Like, to me There's 18:48.084 --> 18:51.277 not a whole lot of reason for 1-to-1 K through 18:51.453 --> 18:54.485 2, 3-ish, even up to 5th grade maybe, 18:55.143 --> 18:58.881 except for those state assessment and diagnostic tools. 18:59.314 --> 19:02.860 Chris, I know you guys are like send home K-12, aren't you? 19:03.790 --> 19:07.208 Our K-2 doesn't go home, but we are 1-to-1. 19:08.058 --> 19:11.186 And we used to just do carts, like between 2 teachers, they would share a 19:11.686 --> 19:15.948 cart. And I was all for that. But that building 19:16.461 --> 19:19.874 and those teachers and that principal wanted

one-to-one 19:19.986 --> 19:23.736 for scheduling's sake. I felt like that was like their top reason 19:24.393 --> 19:27.149 so that they didn't have to share a car. Like they wanted all, like when 19:27.649 --> 19:31.268 it was time for whatever those things were, that all of kindergarten 19:31.284 --> 19:34.697 could do that in that same block of time. And I, 'cause I remember my 19:35.466 --> 19:38.880 not funny to other people joke, like I think I could have fixed that with 19:39.380 --> 19:41.944 Like, let me touch the schedule of the day. Like, I felt like I could 19:42.444 --> 19:44.655 fix this without throwing more technology at it. 19:44.768 --> 19:45.024 Yeah. 19:45.153 --> 19:45.425 So, 19:45.714 --> 19:49.067 if you were to tell my K-2 that we're going to go back to that, 19:49.725 --> 19:53.864 I think that would be the first thing they would talk about is the schedule, 19:53.976 --> 19:57.505 how the day works and how those carts were shared. And again, I could push 19:57.522 --> 20:01.131 back on that because for the most part, when I walk around 20:01.631 --> 20:04.853 our elementary K-2, Chromebooks aren't in use. 20:05.366 --> 20:05.558 Right. 20:06.104 --> 20:08.861 I mean, again, this whole 30 minutes a day sounds about right 20:08.925 --> 20:12.996 to me. We do allow Chromebooks when 20:13.496 --> 20:17.244 we go to grades 3 through 5. 3rd doesn't 20:17.744 --> 20:20.947 go home unless the principal says, so that's more like long-term 20:21.447 --> 20:24.506 sickness or, you know, that kind of bit, a trip or something. And then 4th 20:24.618 --> 20:27.167 and 5th can go home as like the teacher directs. 20:27.904 --> 20:30.966 And that's usually like when they do those presentations that they want to give to 20:31.466 --> 20:34.284 like parents. Or like a research paper to go over. 20:34.752 --> 20:37.237 It's usually some kind of event that's centered around it. 20:38.367 --> 20:41.842 But at my school district, I think 6 through 8 would not like the 45-minute 20:42.342 --> 20:45.675 thing. Again, how does that play out over the course of 20:46.175 --> 20:50.862 the 7, 8 periods we have in a day? I don't know our screen 20:50.959 --> 20:54.081 time number. I don't have that data. Like, I don't know what that number is, 20:54.259 --> 20:57.558 but I think 45 might be a hard bit for my 6 through 8. 20:58.122 --> 21:01.714 And I think that's the biggest thing. You know, I had 21:02.214 --> 21:05.706 those conversations with my superintendent of— for us to even make an 21:05.738 --> 21:09.426 educated guess at or come up with an idea of, hey, we're going to 21:09.926 --> 21:11.976 say it's an hour, we're going to, we're going to shoot for an hour. 21:13.259 --> 21:16.305 We need to know what our number is before we even think about 21:16.805 --> 21:20.330 trying to set a number. And really, we don't like that, the idea 21:20.830 --> 21:23.761 of a number, but you got to know where you are. And I think if 21:24.261 --> 21:28.190

you don't spend time doing that, And getting good data with 21:28.690 --> 21:32.222 that, without people trying to be deliberate and 21:32.722 --> 21:36.430 say, hey, use your devices less because we're measuring our numbers. 21:37.088 --> 21:40.092 Yeah, you've gotta come up with a plan to figure out where you are first. 21:41.505 --> 21:45.745 I'd be really curious, like New York, like how 6th through 8th grade teachers, 21:45.922 --> 21:48.733 and I don't know what their current environment is on how, you know, one-to-one or 21:49.233 --> 21:52.571 whatever, but how are those teachers feeling now that they know they have to spread 21:52.603 --> 21:56.024 45 minutes of screen time across Again, I'm assuming 21:56.939 --> 21:57.951 7 to 8 teachers. 21:59.091 --> 22:00.424 Yeah, I mean, I think when you 22:00.472 --> 22:04.486 look at grades 3 to 5, that's usually a self-contained classroom or 22:04.986 --> 22:08.147 with limited movement so that teacher can say, okay, I'm going to do a math 22:08.340 --> 22:11.487 lesson on technology day and everything else is paper-based. 22:12.033 --> 22:15.469 Grades 6 to 8 is when the kids start to move between classrooms and 22:15.566 --> 22:19.211 that's where it gets complicated, logistically hard. So I think that's why 22:20.062 --> 22:23.594 they are saying that this is a recommended maximum. of 45 minutes a 22:23.658 --> 22:27.061 day, that they're not putting hard limits down because for 22:27.561 --> 22:31.041 them to make this decision right now as school is starting, that is a logistical 22:31.541 --> 22:35.358 nightmare for teachers to deal with. So we'll see. I'm genuinely 22:35.374 --> 22:38.905 curious to see how teachers respond to this one. I do think 22:39.405 --> 22:42.837 that the interesting thing is going to be this generative AI ban because 22:43.337 --> 22:46.914 there are so many edtech apps that have generative AI built into it. 22:47.684 --> 22:49.483 So if you think of just Khan Academy, 22:51.346 --> 22:55.411 Quizlet, you've got Khanmigo. How many tools are, 22:55.700 --> 22:58.997 or edtech companies are out there going, wait a minute, we don't have the ability 22:59.497 --> 23:03.068 to turn off that generative AI feature. So, or do 23:03.133 --> 23:05.987 we, or do the schools know how to do that? And so I think that's, 23:06.320 --> 23:09.091 that is just the ugly part right now is that there's probably a lot of 23:09.591 --> 23:13.281 people trying to figure out exactly what that means because there's so many apps 23:13.781 --> 23:14.619 that are going to be caught in the middle of that. 23:15.076 --> 23:16.971 Yeah, it might be. 23:17.340 --> 23:21.113 I mean, you take the size of New York and if they 23:21.613 --> 23:24.983 follow through on this, yeah, it's going to make a lot of tech 23:25.047 --> 23:28.805 companies add abilities to turn things on and off. 23:29.206 --> 23:29.350 Yes. 23:29.800 --> 23:31.887 Because if it's— if you don't have the ability to turn on and

off, 23:31.936 --> 23:35.340 New York, I'm guessing, is going to say see ya because you 23:35.840 --> 23:38.744 didn't give us that ability. So I'm not against that part of it. That might 23:39.244 --> 23:39.980 be a trickle-down thing for me. 23:40.686 --> 23:42.836 But what I would be against would be those 23:42.868 --> 23:46.237 companies saying, well, we have that toggle, but you have to pay. 23:46.862 --> 23:49.685 You have to pay for the full-fledged product to have that toggle. 23:50.808 --> 23:53.519 You can't use our freemium product for that. 23:54.241 --> 23:57.385 Just Gmail. There's so much generative AI 23:57.450 --> 24:01.428 built into Gmail right now that are you able to toggle that 24:01.476 --> 24:05.053 feature off in grades K to 8 in New York City public schools, 24:06.208 --> 24:09.463 or is that something that You know, this is going to be an unenforceable 24:09.495 --> 24:11.483 policy. I don't know. 24:12.524 --> 24:13.502 Man, you talk 24:14.002 --> 24:15.826 about a segue. That was a great segue, Mark. 24:16.451 --> 24:17.798 Well, speaking of 24:17.830 --> 24:20.843 toggling features on and off through Google, 24:21.436 --> 24:25.171 a couple of weeks ago we talked about how Gemini was added as 24:25.219 --> 24:28.457 a tab in students' Google Classroom, and we had said, 24:28.473 --> 24:32.079 hey, this default on thing is not okay. And we 24:32.579 --> 24:36.792 even had a listener email come back and say, well, it's only on if You 24:36.888 --> 24:40.046 already have Gemini turned on. Well, a lot of districts 24:40.094 --> 24:44.294 came back to school this year and were surprised to see that 24:44.519 --> 24:48.687 there was a tab that allowed them to use Gemini. So EdWeek 24:49.187 --> 24:52.662 had an article of some districts that were pretty upset. There were some even 24:53.162 --> 24:55.805 instructional leaders and experts who were saying, hey, look, 24:56.366 --> 24:59.668 we're not saying that this is the wrong thing to do, but you just need 25:00.168 --> 25:02.700 to give schools the message that that they're the ones in control. 25:03.744 --> 25:07.133 And even though Google did announce this one with 2 months advance notice, 25:07.840 --> 25:11.582 I will say that that announcement coming out in June and then turning on or 25:11.710 --> 25:15.228 going live in August is probably the 2 months where, 25:15.244 --> 25:18.231 you know, you're not going to have the most attention from school districts. 25:18.841 --> 25:22.005 That's when everybody's on vacation. So a little bit of heat. We did 25:22.053 --> 25:26.390 predict this one a couple of weeks ago. We'll see if Google responds 25:26.406 --> 25:27.819 with future rollouts. 25:28.172 --> 25:30.175 I had to deal with today, 25:30.816 --> 25:34.117 Google Search and AI Overview. I had 25:34.617 --> 25:38.412 a kid reach out that I was thankful to the kid. He reached 25:38.912 --> 25:41.120 out, he was like, hey, I was clicking around on my Chromebook and I did 25:41.312 --> 25:44.293 XYZ and I can get to something that I know I'm not supposed to. 25:44.373 --> 25:46.408 And I haven't told anybody, I just want to let you know kind of thing. 25:46.761 --> 25:50.078 And I had to go do some stuff with my content filter to get something 25:50.126 --> 25:53.299 that I thought was working properly to get it working properly again. 25:53.636 --> 25:57.081 And again, I think it all circles back to this whole idea of this 25:57.581 --> 26:00.590 stuff gets turned on by default. It's just on. It just gets introduced. 26:01.664 --> 26:04.275 That thing that changed for me, I didn't know that that thing was changing. 26:04.388 --> 26:07.160 I learned about it after my kids started to use it. 26:07.656 --> 26:11.566 I'd just go back with Google and all the small, all the medium-sized school districts. 26:11.614 --> 26:14.515 If you're a school district that doesn't have a tech or has a tech that 26:14.563 --> 26:17.799 might be off all summer, a tech that doesn't get the updates from Google, 26:18.569 --> 26:22.388 default on, big change. It's going to be this. You're just going to be 26:22.582 --> 26:23.896 reacting to it all the time. 26:24.447 --> 26:24.560 Yeah. 26:24.933 --> 26:25.096 Yeah. 26:25.841 --> 26:28.484 Bring it, Google. Turn me on. Whoa, that sounded wrong. 26:31.747 --> 26:32.167 Moving on here. 26:35.960 --> 26:37.528 I'm glad I stopped when I did. 26:39.520 --> 26:43.925 Well, now pivoting from default on to default off is LAUSD. 26:44.168 --> 26:47.621 So if you remember, LAUSD was the first district their super— the 26:48.121 --> 26:51.482 previous superintendent went full on into AI last year with the 26:51.563 --> 26:55.060 AI chatbot that obviously ran into some issues. Well, 26:55.125 --> 26:58.703 the AI working group, or the, the school committee group, this week met, 26:59.200 --> 27:01.671 and they were surprised when the district came to them and said, you know what, 27:01.687 --> 27:05.955 we've changed, we're going to turn off AI for this year. So LAUSD 27:06.019 --> 27:09.115 is now K-12, no AI allowed. 27:09.629 --> 27:13.223 So their software filters will be blocking access to generative AI websites, 27:13.303 --> 27:16.913 chatbots, and any sort of AI apps on district Chromebooks 27:16.929 --> 27:17.523 and tablets. 27:17.571 --> 27:17.651 Damn. 27:18.678 --> 27:21.148 If an educational tool contains embedded 27:21.325 --> 27:25.271 AI components that cannot be disabled, the district is removing 27:25.771 --> 27:30.260 the tool entirely. So they are going full on into this one to 27:30.308 --> 27:33.934 remove this one. It caught the school committee off guard. They were 27:34.434 --> 27:38.297 surprised, but for the most part were pleased by this decision. So now you have 27:38.345 --> 27:42.709 the top 2 largest districts in the country that have banned AI 27:42.917 --> 27:46.615 either fully or partially. We'll see if more districts start to follow suit. 27:47.017

--> 27:50.125 We got, we got Josh pressing, pressing Claude all in. 27:52.305 --> 27:53.675 Paper cut updates. 27:53.755 --> 27:55.028 Claude. 27:56.236 --> 27:59.360 We got LA and New York going up in flames, 27:59.457 --> 28:02.420 getting rid of AI because it's terrible. It's evil. 28:03.338 --> 28:06.525 This is the world, boys. I don't know. 28:07.201 --> 28:10.470 The LA stance, more power to you if you're able to do that and you 28:10.970 --> 28:14.760 have that much faith in your filter that that you feel like you 28:15.260 --> 28:18.519 can prevent kids from getting to unofficial or shadow 28:18.680 --> 28:22.279 AI-type products. But we all know the 28:22.391 --> 28:26.408 way these kids are able to find proxies and hit game sites, 28:27.131 --> 28:30.248 they're gonna be finding proxies and hitting AI sites. 28:30.361 --> 28:33.638 So again, it comes back, Chris, I think it 28:34.138 --> 28:37.334 comes back to kind of your mentality on things. Would you rather see 28:37.834 --> 28:40.784 it and know what's going on Or block it and not see it. 28:41.649 --> 28:42.050 I'm just 28:42.550 --> 28:46.408 really stuck on the, the equity stuff 28:46.908 --> 28:50.558 with this. The kids in New York and the kids in LA and the kids 28:51.058 --> 28:54.500 in Missouri, whether it's blocked or not at school, 28:54.564 --> 28:58.009 they're all using AI. So like, we have to 28:58.089 --> 29:01.839 figure out what we support. There has to be a shortlist of AI 29:02.339 --> 29:06.101 tools that we support in some ever— whatever kind of small progression of a way. 29:06.678 --> 29:09.858 to students and faculty and staff. Like, we gotta pick, we gotta pick some stuff. 29:10.421 --> 29:14.179 I just, I don't think get rid of it is 29:14.211 --> 29:14.677 the answer. 29:15.239 --> 29:16.106 I don't think it's viable. 29:16.203 --> 29:17.745 To your pause, I don't, 29:18.933 --> 29:20.250 I, it doesn't make sense to me. 29:21.021 --> 29:22.226 I, so I do a lot of 29:22.726 --> 29:25.342 work with school districts right now around AI and teacher training, 29:25.599 --> 29:29.213 and teachers are very positive about their usage of 29:29.713 --> 29:33.420 AI as a productivity tool. They're very Up 29:33.920 --> 29:35.893 in the air when it comes to as a learning tool. And so when you 29:36.393 --> 29:39.907 think, when it, when I see school districts saying we're going to say no 29:40.407 --> 29:43.792 to AI in the classroom, it's not necessarily we're saying no to AI 29:43.985 --> 29:47.131 for kids. We're just saying as a learning tool, this just doesn't make 29:47.631 --> 29:50.776 sense right now. I think I can get on board with that, with saying I, 29:51.450 --> 29:55.592 I see the value of AI as a productivity tool. I think students, 29:55.881 --> 29:59.545 uh, you know, under the age of 18 can benefit from these 29:59.578 --> 30:01.998 tools outside of school. I know there's a lot of risks, 30:02.724 --> 30:07.079 but in terms of how these tools contribute or harm the learning process, 30:07.870 --> 30:11.789 that's where I see New York and LA drawing a line and saying 30:11.919 --> 30:12.891 we're just not seeing it yet. 30:15.036 --> 30:15.601 I completely 30:16.101 --> 30:20.232 agree. I, I just popped in my head a corollary between AI 30:20.281 --> 30:23.896 use and vaping. We all can agree— yeah, 30:24.392 --> 30:27.197 wait for it. Wait for it. Follow me on this trail. 30:28.840 --> 30:29.547 We all can agree— 30:29.547 --> 30:32.506 Vape trail. Is it smoke? Am I following 30:32.587 --> 30:33.472 the smoke right now? 30:33.938 --> 30:35.353 The vape trail? Yes. 30:36.673 --> 30:38.869 No. Yeah. 30:39.968 --> 30:43.069 We all can agree vaping is bad for kids and you can 30:43.117 --> 30:43.828 argue adults. 30:45.040 --> 30:45.217 Yes. 30:45.313 --> 30:46.280 Schools have banned— yes. 30:46.586 --> 30:48.472 There's no arguing adults. 30:48.617 --> 30:49.890 It is bad for adults. 30:49.987 --> 30:50.599 I'm not arguing. 30:53.207 --> 30:53.227 Whatever. 30:53.227 --> 30:56.227 Schools have banned vapes for kids, right? Like, 30:56.308 --> 31:00.067 that is a disciplinary event. You can get suspended 31:00.163 --> 31:03.615 depending on if it has weed in it, you know, whatever. But that does nothing 31:03.648 --> 31:06.793 to prevent them from bringing them to school and getting caught in the bathroom 31:07.293 --> 31:10.647 or using them in the bathroom, right? Or even in the classroom if they've, 31:10.889 --> 31:15.212 you know, if they're brave. This same thing with saying we're 31:15.712 --> 31:19.169 banning AI for student use. isn't really going 31:19.217 --> 31:22.412 to prevent them from using it. So I, 31:23.873 --> 31:26.812 I, what are the repercussions? Is it a disciplinary event? 31:27.390 --> 31:30.344 Would it be better off to kind of be able to see what they're doing 31:30.441 --> 31:34.150 with it? I think you have to be ready to have that conversation 31:34.650 --> 31:39.111 and have a plan for discipline if they are caught using it. 31:39.611 --> 31:42.082 Yeah, the hard part for me is I agree with Mark when he says the 31:42.582 --> 31:45.211 whole bit about we don't necessarily want to use AI for the learning. 31:45.875 --> 31:46.069 Sure. 31:46.441 --> 31:49.773 That piece. But then there's the part of me that is like, 31:50.016 --> 31:52.799 but we need to teach kids proper use of AI. 31:53.334 --> 31:53.448 Yeah. 31:54.048 --> 31:56.968 So I want to give them the tool, but not necessarily use the tool for 31:57.468 --> 32:01.532 the thing that they're experiencing while they're going through school. And that's a hard bit 32:01.822 --> 32:04.644 because you're either using it or you're not. 32:06.192 --> 32:06.857 Yeah. 32:07.344 --> 32:09.761 I do want my students to use 32:10.261 --> 32:13.703 it, to know how to use it so that when they leave high school, 32:14.707 --> 32:18.368 they're in a proper place to go get that job that's 32:18.868 --> 32:21.815

kicked butt with that and they can do that thing. I know that AI has 32:22.961 --> 32:26.366 in many cases helped my productivity and helped 32:26.866 --> 32:29.996 me do different things. So I want our kids to leave with that stuff, 32:30.061 --> 32:33.389 leaving high school with that. But yeah, I don't want them 32:33.839 --> 32:37.710 writing the essay, doing the thing, seeing the negative effects 32:38.210 --> 32:41.344 because they're not using their brains as much kind of stuff. So I don't know 32:41.360 --> 32:42.242 that sweet spot in there. 32:43.653 --> 32:44.792 Yeah. And I think, Josh, 32:45.016 --> 32:48.753 to your point, and I've heard a lot of comparisons to drugs and alcohol 32:48.945 --> 32:52.650 and other things that we ban for youth and whether or not that 32:53.150 --> 32:55.937 is a good or bad thing. I think, I don't think LA and New York 32:56.437 --> 32:59.674 City are saying that we're banning AI and therefore kids 32:59.706 --> 33:02.224 are never going to use it. I think that everybody assumes that kids are going 33:02.724 --> 33:05.960 to use this at home. I think they're strictly taking the purpose 33:06.460 --> 33:09.686 or the Taking the point that as a learning tool, we're just not there. 33:10.297 --> 33:13.075 The other thing though, and to your point around vaping, 33:14.071 --> 33:17.701 if you are in an environment where you're surrounded by vape and you're surrounded 33:18.201 --> 33:21.765 by people who are vaping and smoking and doing drugs and alcohol, then it's 33:22.265 --> 33:24.592 only natural that you are going to absorb that and you are going to start 33:25.092 --> 33:28.864 to partake in those kinds of things. I think by saying no 33:29.364 --> 33:33.474 to AI in classrooms, they're also taking a stance on We're gonna try to minimize 33:33.490 --> 33:37.488 the amount of exposure that students have to these tools that are not necessarily 33:37.520 --> 33:41.004 proven. So they're just trying to minimize the amount of exposure 33:41.213 --> 33:42.144 that kids have. Go ahead. 33:42.754 --> 33:44.745 So, so you're saying we're not gonna 33:45.245 --> 33:46.913 allow hotboxing of AI? 33:47.539 --> 33:47.941 Correct. 33:48.342 --> 33:48.503 Correct. 33:48.583 --> 33:48.760 Okay. 33:48.920 --> 33:49.386 All right. 33:49.787 --> 33:51.216 Yeah, I was just reminded of, 33:52.372 --> 33:55.038 I, I had this whole thing figured out too. Josh, I love that you brought 33:58.169 --> 34:01.444 Previous school. So we're obviously— so we're going to— the 34:01.944 --> 34:04.687 trajectory of a lot of this is we're ditching one-to-one. We're going to go back 34:04.816 --> 34:07.192 to less devices per kid. 34:08.364 --> 34:11.928 Maybe go— are we going back to computer labs, boys? I don't know. 34:12.426 --> 34:17.002 So previous school district I was at, they had the teachers lounge and 34:17.502 --> 34:21.272 then they had the smoking teachers lounge. Oh, nice. And my tech 34:21.497 --> 34:24.757 office got put into the smoke that was the smoking. So all the walls were 34:24.789 --> 34:28.125 like a yellow that they used to be white kind of vibe. So to 34:28.237 --> 34:31.410 fix the thing I'm talking about, we can still teach AI, 34:31.490 --> 34:34.710 like, okay, AI isn't for learning and we're not going to 34:35.210 --> 34:37.306 use it on our devices, but we can have an AI lab. We can still 34:37.806 --> 34:40.975 teach proper use of AI under particular conditions kind of vibe. 34:41.135 --> 34:44.243 Yeah. Yeah. So, okay, computer labs. 34:44.740 --> 34:48.200 I want to do computer labs again. Do you think Josh 34:48.700 --> 34:51.885 is going to install like AI detectors, like vape detectors in the 34:52.385 --> 34:55.554 bathrooms? And he'll be like, that's what he's going for. Running down the hallway. 34:55.810 --> 34:59.330 Someone's using vape. Claude! First of 34:59.863 --> 35:04.094 all— Is that you again, Claude? First of all, 35:04.143 --> 35:07.439 Claude and I have a good relationship. Second of all, 35:07.841 --> 35:11.377 vape detectors are the biggest waste of money a school district can spend their money 35:11.877 --> 35:14.318 on. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about AI detection in the bathroom. 35:14.430 --> 35:17.872 I hate vape detectors. AI labs, 35:17.968 --> 35:21.523 Chris, like you said, I'm testing or playing with, 35:21.539 --> 35:25.712 and I've got working successfully, a feature gate 35:26.097 --> 35:29.191 in Google that I got from someone. 35:29.864 --> 35:33.535 So who— whoever— students don't have Gemini turned 35:34.035 --> 35:37.655 on. They go and take this Google Form quiz about AI or 35:38.155 --> 35:41.887 about whatever. They pass that quiz, Gemini gets 35:42.387 --> 35:45.815 turned on and enabled for 30 days, and then at the end of that 30 35:46.315 --> 35:50.065 days, it automatically turns back off. Okay. They have to take another quiz. So to 35:50.565 --> 35:53.728 your point, Chris, an AI lab, you could easily do 35:53.841 --> 35:57.440 something like that. I'm in. We're gonna play with 35:57.940 --> 36:01.216 that for a trial. You know what else we like playing with? 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detector? 36:37.422 --> 36:41.030 Not me. I just heard it again. All right. I think it's 36:41.094 --> 36:43.887 you, Mark. Okay, I gotta go fix this. 36:44.706 --> 36:47.098 A few moments later. Well, 36:47.853 --> 36:51.850 we've been driven off the rails by a rogue 36:51.963 --> 36:55.800 smoke detector, but we're gonna try and talk about Agentic 36:56.185 --> 36:59.733 AI. What is that noise now? I, I don't know. 36:59.894 --> 37:03.875 Just for backstory, we probably cut out like 3 hours of troubleshooting. 37:04.534 --> 37:08.371 Uh, I've got a smoke detector in my neighbor's house that's 37:08.625 --> 37:12.595 Oh, it's your neighbor. We can't do anything 37:13.095 --> 37:16.320 about it. Dog's freaking out. The dog's on my lap. 37:16.368 --> 37:19.831 You could probably hear the dog breathing so heavily right now. This is a mess. 37:20.510 --> 37:23.092 I didn't realize it was in your neighbor's house. That sucks. 37:26.538 --> 37:29.936 That's the licking. That's the dog. 37:30.178 --> 37:31.951 You're hearing licking, not Mark. 37:37.212 --> 37:40.523 Oh, well, we were supposed to talk about agentic 37:41.023 --> 37:44.027 AI, but I think I need to go right now. Yeah, I don't know if 37:44.527 --> 37:47.346 this is it. This isn't the night. And I'll tell you guys too, I've been 37:47.363 --> 37:51.079 like avoiding it, but my headphones broke. Like, 37:51.160 --> 37:54.637 I've noticed, like, like I've been living a different life over 37:54.653 --> 37:58.260 here. I can only hear in one ear. I mean, it's fine. Just on vapes. 37:58.662 --> 38:01.847 Chris's, Chris's headphones have fallen off. I have a dog that is 38:01.960 --> 38:05.677 like freaking out in my lap right now. And he's just breathing very 38:05.693 --> 38:08.765 heavily into the microphone. Let's just call it. It's okay to 38:08.830 --> 38:12.113 call it. Okay. All right. Sponsors understand. Chris, hit those final, 38:12.372 --> 38:15.881 final— Yeah. Fortinet. They have a 38:16.381 --> 38:19.568 smoke detector? Fortinet smoke detector. Yeah. 38:20.150 --> 38:22.504 Fortinet, a proud sponsor of the K-12 Tech Talk podcast. 38:24.995 --> 38:27.171 Email them fortinetpodcast@fortinet.com. 38:31.173 --> 38:34.207 Also check out Lightspeed. They have a great insight solution to help you figure out 38:34.707 --> 38:37.930 what screen time is, 38:38.430 --> 38:42.510 what apps and websites your folks are actually using. And then Worldwide Technology, 38:43.010 --> 38:45.370 they were at Midwest Tech Talk. We get to plug them. They're going to love 38:45.870 --> 38:49.610 this episode. Worldwide Technology, they can help you with all kinds 38:50.110 --> 38:53.290 of tech solutions. I'll put a link in the podcast description to 38:53.790 --> 38:57.710 them. Thanks for listening. Thanks for hanging out. Life isn't always easy. 38:58.210 --> 39:02.050 Sometimes there's mountains, sometimes there are valleys. Keep your heads up out there. Smoke detectors. 39:02.550 --> 39:05.210 Smoke detectors. Vape detectors. Hope you guys are all having a great week in the 39:05.710 --> 39:06.573 K-12 Tech trenches. 39:25.915 --> 39:29.411 The views and opinions expressed on the K-12 Tech Talk podcast are the personal 39:29.911 --> 39:33.165 opinions of Josh, Chris, and Mark. and do not represent the views or opinions of 39:33.665 --> 39:37.272 our sponsors or other organizations that we're affiliated with. The material 39:37.772 --> 39:40.944 and information presented here is for general information and entertainment purposes only. 39:41.540 --> 39:44.778 Thanks for listening, and we'll see you next week. We were buying words 39:45.278 --> 39:49.079 about the phrase of the day and selling songs 39:49.145 --> 39:50.554 just to stay in the queue.