رونوشت کامل "Mostly The Voice"

00:01:57.420 talk about that later on in the episode. But thanks 37 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:00.719 for checking out the last episode with my guest, Ty McLaughlin. 38 00:02:00.739 --> 00:02:05.180 We talked about One Dark Night and Jason Lives, Friday 39 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:06.180 the 13th, part six. 40 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:07.260 So really. 41 00:02:07.689 --> 00:02:09.349 A lot of fun with that episode. Please go back 42 00:02:09.389 --> 00:02:10.969 and check it out if you've not had a chance. 43 00:02:11.069 --> 00:02:12.969 It's Tommy's second time on the show, so I had 44 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:16.639 a blast talking with him. On this episode today, I'm 45 00:02:16.659 --> 00:02:19.699 really excited about this one. I talked about Transformers, the 46 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:24.180 animated movie that was re-released celebrating its 40th anniversary. And 47 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:25.960 shout out to my guy, Rudy, who came on with 48 00:02:25.979 --> 00:02:28.159 me for that episode. Well, today I want to talk 49 00:02:28.180 --> 00:02:30.259 to somebody who was one of the voice actors from 50 00:02:30.300 --> 00:02:33.449 that movie. And the TV series as well. Hal Rail, 51 00:02:33.610 --> 00:02:36.729 long career in voice acting. He's voiced so many characters 52 00:02:36.830 --> 00:02:38.849 and been in movies and things like that. He is 53 00:02:38.870 --> 00:02:40.409 going to be on the show today. We're going to 54 00:02:40.430 --> 00:02:43.610 talk a lot about his time doing these voices and 55 00:02:43.650 --> 00:02:45.650 how he started doing them and working with guys like 56 00:02:45.710 --> 00:02:48.310 Peter Cullen and Frank Welker. And he has a book 57 00:02:48.349 --> 00:02:50.180 coming out. He's going to talk about that as well. 58 00:02:50.620 --> 00:02:52.479 And just a lot of fun hearing him just doing 59 00:02:52.500 --> 00:02:54.439 these voices right off the top of his head without 60 00:02:54.520 --> 00:02:55.759 even any prep or anything. 61 00:02:55.840 --> 00:02:55.979 So. 62 00:02:56.500 --> 00:02:58.360 It's just, for me, it's really cool because I grew 63 00:02:58.379 --> 00:03:00.219 up with these cartoons and to hear somebody doing these 64 00:03:00.259 --> 00:03:03.900 voices really was a cool treat for me as a fan. 65 00:03:03.979 --> 00:03:06.710 So stay tuned. Hal Rail is here. But we never 66 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:08.710 go forward without going back. So, you know, I'm still 67 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:11.069 living in the Halloween era here. Even though it says 68 00:03:11.150 --> 00:03:15.210 November 2nd, it's election eve, right? And Halloween supposedly is 69 00:03:15.250 --> 00:03:17.030 done with. But I'm still living it for a couple 70 00:03:17.110 --> 00:03:19.849 more minutes here. So here's a flashback of my episode, 71 00:03:20.129 --> 00:03:22.990 Tommy McLaughlin, talking about Some of the things that got 72 00:03:23.030 --> 00:03:25.930 him interested in doing a movie like One Dark Night.

73 00:03:26.090 --> 00:03:29.580 So here we go. Flashback on the Infinite Banter podcast. Flashback. 74 00:03:31.379 --> 00:03:33.740 And then for some God knows reason, I decided to 75 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:36.569 pull away from the crowd, let them go on and 76 00:03:36.610 --> 00:03:39.069 start to do a little exploring on my own. 77 00:03:39.469 --> 00:03:39.610 And. 78 00:03:40.030 --> 00:03:42.110 As soon as I was in there by myself, I 79 00:03:42.129 --> 00:03:45.090 could no longer hear their voices. The first time and 80 00:03:45.210 --> 00:03:47.289 the only time in my life I ever felt what 81 00:03:47.330 --> 00:03:49.689 I call supernatural fear. I mean, it's one thing to 82 00:03:49.729 --> 00:03:52.830 see somebody with a knife coming at you. That's certainly scary. 83 00:03:52.949 --> 00:03:55.490 But it's another thing where there's nobody there. And yet 84 00:03:55.590 --> 00:03:57.889 you feel literally the hairs going up in the back. 85 00:03:58.849 --> 00:04:00.740 What am I scared of? What is going on here? 86 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:03.759 You know, so I'm picking up this sense of a 87 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:06.879 realization that these are hundreds of dead people. You know, 88 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:09.460 are they all dead dead? Are they carrying any of 89 00:04:09.539 --> 00:04:12.069 their vibes in the past. I don't know. All I 90 00:04:12.110 --> 00:04:14.150 know is that it was scary enough that I found 91 00:04:14.210 --> 00:04:16.410 myself getting to that crowd as fast as I could 92 00:04:16.430 --> 00:04:17.470 to stay with the group. 93 00:04:18.069 --> 00:04:18.949 That stuck with me. 94 00:04:18.970 --> 00:04:22.189 So if you get a chance, go back and check 95 00:04:22.209 --> 00:04:25.009 out that episode with Tommy McLaughlin talking about One Dark 96 00:04:25.069 --> 00:04:27.750 Night and Friday the 13th Part 6, Jason Lives. We've 97 00:04:27.769 --> 00:04:29.680 talked a little bit about Crystal Lake. At the time 98 00:04:29.779 --> 00:04:32.319 I interviewed him, the series just came out and I've 99 00:04:32.379 --> 00:04:34.410 seen it. It's been two weeks since I've seen it. 100 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:38.620 So I might re-watch it actually before my Peacock subscription expires. 101 00:04:39.529 --> 00:04:41.810 ends because I'm not renewing it. I don't want to pay, 102 00:04:42.110 --> 00:04:43.660 you know, I don't know how you guys do it, 103 00:04:43.689 --> 00:04:46.089 but if I get a platform, it's usually because I 104 00:04:46.110 --> 00:04:48.430 need to watch something and I don't feel the need 105 00:04:48.449 --> 00:04:51.800 to keep it unless they've got some just large vault 106 00:04:51.860 --> 00:04:54.160 of entertainment that I need to have at all times. 107 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:57.980 But generally, no, I actually canceled my marquee network, which 108 00:04:58.060 --> 00:05:00.019 for those of you who don't know, that's the channel 109 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:02.240 that plays Cubs games. As soon as the season ended, 110 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:05.389 I called up Xfinity, Comcast, and I'm done. You can 111 00:05:05.430 --> 00:05:07.899 go ahead and take that off my bill. I won't 112 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:10.459 need that till April. So go ahead and cancel that. 113 00:05:10.660 --> 00:05:12.620 And I'll just move that money to Peacock, which I 114 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:16.089 will then subtract. Use that money to buy stupid stuff 115 00:05:16.189 --> 00:05:18.910 like toys and things, which you can find on my 116 00:05:18.949 --> 00:05:22.449 YouTube channel for Infinite Banter Podcast. I do reviews of 117 00:05:22.490 --> 00:05:24.920 things called Things and Stuff. I haven't done one in 118 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:26.639 a long time. I keep saying I'm going to do one. 119 00:05:26.699 --> 00:05:28.860 I will eventually get to do one, but it's just 120 00:05:28.879 --> 00:05:31.230 been hard. There's a lot of stuff going on. The 121 00:05:31.250 --> 00:05:33.949 podcast is the most important aspect of it. 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Check out the poll questions, 134 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:06.779 the Spotify playlist. Follow the show on social media at 135 00:06:06.939 --> 00:06:09.709 Infinite Banter Podcast. I've been a little more active on threads. 136 00:06:09.810 --> 00:06:12.170 If you're on there, find the show on there. I've 137 00:06:12.189 --> 00:06:14.410 been doing more of that since I don't do the 138 00:06:15.089 --> 00:06:19.370 X platform. It's been like two years. Whenever I stopped 139 00:06:19.410 --> 00:06:21.980 doing that, canceled it. after like 10 to 15 years 140 00:06:22.019 --> 00:06:24.279 of having that damn, uh, account, but you'll find me 141 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:26.899 on Facebook and Instagram and, uh, threads. Those are the 142 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:29.519 three main places that I do stuff. So feel free 143 00:06:29.540 --> 00:06:33.899 to follow me on all those social platform places that 144 00:06:33.920 --> 00:06:36.160 people go. You

might even see a picture of my 145 00:06:36.180 --> 00:06:39.019 Halloween costume. I dressed up as, I think it's Tony. 146 00:06:39.060 --> 00:06:41.420 I forget the name of the goon that, uh, John 147 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:44.149 McClane takes out early in the movie, puts the, uh, 148 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:47.060 Santa hat on him. And he's got the shirt that says, uh, 149 00:06:47.740 --> 00:06:50.060 Now I have a machine gun. Ho, ho, ho. Well, 150 00:06:50.300 --> 00:06:52.529 I dressed up as that guy. Put blood on my 151 00:06:52.589 --> 00:06:55.470 face and everything. Not real blood. Theatrical blood. Bought it 152 00:06:55.490 --> 00:06:58.670 from Spirit Halloween store. So it wasn't easy to take 153 00:06:58.790 --> 00:07:00.529 off either. I was getting worried I wouldn't be able 154 00:07:00.550 --> 00:07:02.050 to get it off. I had to look up how 155 00:07:02.089 --> 00:07:04.170 to do it. You take shaving cream and it just 156 00:07:04.209 --> 00:07:06.310 kind of turns into soap and takes it right off. 157 00:07:06.350 --> 00:07:08.410 But regular soap was not taking it off. So I 158 00:07:08.410 --> 00:07:09.860 was a little bit worried I was going to have 159 00:07:09.889 --> 00:07:13.579 a costume past October 31st. But All good. They came off. 160 00:07:13.620 --> 00:07:16.959 No problem. Maybe I should use ketchup. Next time. Next time. 161 00:07:17.100 --> 00:07:19.040 But yeah, as I said earlier on in the episode, 162 00:07:19.339 --> 00:07:21.420 we're going to talk about the movie Obsession. It's on 163 00:07:21.439 --> 00:07:24.610 that Peacock app, which I'm going to probably delete soon. 164 00:07:24.649 --> 00:07:27.350 Unless Peacock wants to pay me to sponsor, feel free 165 00:07:27.370 --> 00:07:29.649 to check in. Now that I had the platform and 166 00:07:29.670 --> 00:07:31.949 I finished Crystal Lake, I needed something new to watch. 167 00:07:32.470 --> 00:07:35.379 And Tommy had talked about Obsession in our interview in 168 00:07:35.389 --> 00:07:37.480 that last episode. So I had it on my mind. 169 00:07:37.579 --> 00:07:39.879 Let me go watch this thing. So I have thoughts. 170 00:07:40.019 --> 00:07:43.060 I'll talk about it later on. And also, he reminded 171 00:07:43.129 --> 00:07:45.029 me when he talked about his trip to France and 172 00:07:45.069 --> 00:07:47.550 was in the catacombs. I didn't think of it at 173 00:07:47.589 --> 00:07:49.459 the time I was talking with him, but after the 174 00:07:49.500 --> 00:07:51.139 episode came out, I started thinking about it. I did 175 00:07:51.180 --> 00:07:53.860 go on a tour once. It was like a murder 176 00:07:53.899 --> 00:07:56.490 bus tour. We went to go see the— ghosts of 177 00:07:56.910 --> 00:07:59.990 murderers past or whatever uh so i want to bring 178 00:08:00.009 --> 00:08:01.680 that up later on in the episode but we got 179 00:08:01.689 --> 00:08:03.300 a lot to talk about here with hal rail he's 180 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:05.860 our guest we're going to talk about voice acting and 181 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:08.259 some of the many many voices he's done and how 182 00:08:08.300 --> 00:08:10.339 he got into that and what he's doing now so 183 00:08:10.360 --> 00:08:12.920 stay tuned hal rail is on the show but before 184 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:15.180 we do anything the show never begins until the one 185 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:17.939 and only King from Queens, DMC. He gets on, he 186 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:20.290 says this, and now the show can begin. Yo, yo, 187 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:20.750 what's up? 188 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:25.029 This is me, DMC, the K-I-N-G, the greatest MC in history. 189 00:08:25.350 --> 00:08:26.930 And right now, you're listening to. 190 00:08:26.990 --> 00:08:31.180 Infinite Banter, because we will banter on forever, because this 191 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:35.240 is the only place for all of y'all to ever be. I.B., 192 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:36.559 Infinite Banter. 193 00:08:39.309 --> 00:08:42.570 You're tuned in to the Infinite Banter Podcast. I'm Mark Jolliffe, 194 00:08:42.610 --> 00:08:44.549 and I'm really excited to bring on to the show. 195 00:08:44.830 --> 00:08:47.389 He is a legendary voice actor that has done iconic 196 00:08:47.429 --> 00:08:50.769 voice roles like Snarl and Shrapnel. From the Transformers, he 197 00:08:50.809 --> 00:08:54.230 has voiced the Tin Man, Predator, Ghoulies, and has many 198 00:08:54.269 --> 00:08:57.009 more animated and film credits to his name. Welcome to 199 00:08:57.029 --> 00:09:00.429 the show, Emmy-nominated voice actor, the one and only Hal Rail. 200 00:09:00.450 --> 00:09:01.210 What's going on, Hal? 201 00:09:01.409 --> 00:09:04.409 Well, it's going great over in my end, and hello 202 00:09:04.429 --> 00:09:07.860 to everybody out there. I hope you had a wonderful childhood. 203 00:09:08.759 --> 00:09:13.019 Yeah, right? I'm a little over 50, so my childhood 204 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:17.039 was growing up on Hanna-Barbera and Transformers and G.I. Joe 205 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:19.309 and stuff like that, which you are a big part of. 206 00:09:21.669 --> 00:09:25.289 Well, it was great to be on the Transformers and G.I. Joe. 207 00:09:25.309 --> 00:09:27.789 That was really one of a kind kind of a 208 00:09:27.850 --> 00:09:32.539 time in the early or mid-late 80s and 70s. You know, 209 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:34.639 Hollywood was just a different time than it was an 210 00:09:34.740 --> 00:09:38.799 analog universe. And everybody went to one place to audition 211 00:09:39.100 --> 00:09:42.039 or two or three places. But it was pretty much 212 00:09:42.110 --> 00:09:44.370 the voice caster. And when you'd go there, you'd see 213 00:09:44.389 --> 00:09:47.669 your competition and you knew who you were going against. 214 00:09:48.350 --> 00:09:51.409 So you could, you know, pattern your audition to include 215 00:09:51.450 --> 00:09:53.990 what they might do. It was just a different time 216

00:09:54.029 --> 00:09:56.190 than it is now with people just sitting at home 217 00:09:56.230 --> 00:10:00.480 in their own studios getting a read. But now nobody 218 00:10:00.500 --> 00:10:02.139 to help them with it. Right. 219 00:10:02.159 --> 00:10:03.940 And nobody to play off of too, right? I'm sure 220 00:10:03.980 --> 00:10:04.379 that has a big part. 221 00:10:04.399 --> 00:10:07.000 Exactly. Yeah. You know, but that's a big part of 222 00:10:07.700 --> 00:10:11.360 what we do is in a multi-voice fashion is you 223 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:14.899 have to be prepared to possibly play the scene opposite yourself. 224 00:10:15.340 --> 00:10:17.940 which means you have to know the pre-life well enough 225 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:20.779 to be able to handle the dialogue accordingly. 226 00:10:20.980 --> 00:10:23.019 And that's definitely a challenge. And, you know, going back 227 00:10:23.059 --> 00:10:25.480 to like the early days, and I've talked to music 228 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:28.240 artists who have the same, you know, kind of similarities. 229 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:29.940 You know, you go to a studio, you make a 230 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:31.899 record or you make, you know, make a cartoon or, 231 00:10:32.159 --> 00:10:35.279 you know, whatever. And you're with five, six other people 232 00:10:35.379 --> 00:10:37.710 and there's other side of the glass and there's people 233 00:10:37.750 --> 00:10:40.549 working there. And now it's like you're doing it from home. 234 00:10:40.570 --> 00:10:43.309 So I'm sure there's pros and cons to that. But 235 00:10:43.330 --> 00:10:44.820 talk about just the differences of that. 236 00:10:44.860 --> 00:10:47.740 Yeah. Well, even in my day, they didn't show you 237 00:10:47.820 --> 00:10:50.250 really a picture of who you were voicing. And I 238 00:10:50.269 --> 00:10:52.870 would have come up with in many times different voices 239 00:10:52.970 --> 00:10:55.600 having looked at the character. But they would say what 240 00:10:55.639 --> 00:10:58.399 the character's name was, and you would kind of have 241 00:10:58.419 --> 00:11:01.620 to identify with either what type of a character it 242 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:04.240 was and what its name was and play off of 243 00:11:04.299 --> 00:11:08.259 those two things. Now, if you haven't had the luxury 244 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:10.799 like I had of coming through the ranks and working 245 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:14.210 with other people and working opposite other people, you haven't 246 00:11:14.269 --> 00:11:17.909 been able to really hone your ability to interpret the 247 00:11:17.950 --> 00:11:21.610 written word from an actor's standpoint because you're not acting 248 00:11:21.649 --> 00:11:26.399 with anybody. You're in a room alone. Right. And oftentimes, 249 00:11:26.659 --> 00:11:30.059 from a personal standpoint, you're just happy to get through 250 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:33.919 all the words and not stumble and not mess up. 251 00:11:34.360 --> 00:11:36.940 And when you're first starting, I'm talking about in those 252 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:39.440 early days, all you want to do is get through 253 00:11:39.460 --> 00:11:42.529 the tires and tomahawks of timing and not trip up. 254 00:11:42.779 --> 00:11:45.649 And now it's you have to be able to do that. 255 00:11:45.690 --> 00:11:48.529 But you also have to be able to interpret what 256 00:11:48.570 --> 00:11:52.580 the pre-life is. before any written word you're reading. And 257 00:11:52.620 --> 00:11:56.740 that pre-life will give you all of the necessary emotional 258 00:11:56.820 --> 00:12:01.350 information that you need to carry the message. It's your conviction. 259 00:12:01.570 --> 00:12:03.669 And if you're not in a state of conviction, this 260 00:12:03.690 --> 00:12:05.970 is why you can feel the hackles in your hairs 261 00:12:06.070 --> 00:12:08.690 rise up when you know it's AI. There's nobody there. 262 00:12:08.730 --> 00:12:12.509 There's no conviction. There's nobody vested with an interest. There's 263 00:12:12.549 --> 00:12:13.889 not a human being there. 264 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:16.220 Yeah, it's like emotion or something. 265 00:12:16.259 --> 00:12:19.529 Yeah, it's exactly it. And sometimes you can get through 266 00:12:19.570 --> 00:12:22.690 all the words, but you're devoid of the message because 267 00:12:22.850 --> 00:12:26.190 you didn't give yourself just that little lead in before 268 00:12:26.210 --> 00:12:29.830 you started your first word in the sentence that delineated 269 00:12:29.889 --> 00:12:32.149 your read from everybody else's. 270 00:12:32.549 --> 00:12:34.860 And how difficult is I'm sure there's sometimes you get 271 00:12:35.460 --> 00:12:38.080 a lot of information really. OK, I got the scene. 272 00:12:38.179 --> 00:12:39.500 It's all in my head. I could work it out. 273 00:12:39.940 --> 00:12:42.200 I know what I'm doing here where maybe you get somewhere. 274 00:12:42.220 --> 00:12:45.250 There's almost nothing. And you've got to start from scratch 275 00:12:45.289 --> 00:12:48.690 and hope that you're delivering the tone and it's not 276 00:12:48.750 --> 00:12:50.580 just the words. 277 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:56.000 My audition for Transformers, Snarl, I am Snarl Roar. 278 00:12:58.279 --> 00:12:59.899 It's not much, but yeah, it's very. 279 00:13:00.259 --> 00:13:01.159 It ain't much. 280 00:13:02.120 --> 00:13:04.179 But that's all it was. That's what it ended up being, right? 281 00:13:04.899 --> 00:13:08.590 Yeah, so I don't know what anybody else did, but 282 00:13:08.730 --> 00:13:11.860 I approached it from the standpoint of somebody saying, Who 283 00:13:11.899 --> 00:13:18.149 the hell are you? I am Snarl! There it is. 284 00:13:18.929 --> 00:13:22.309 That's great. See? Very minimalistic, but it works because the 285 00:13:22.350 --> 00:13:26.570 Dinobots are, right? It's kind of like cavemen dinosaurs. 286 00:13:26.730 --> 00:13:31.340 Well, yeah. Well, it's primate

talk, but mostly it's, you know, 287 00:13:31.539 --> 00:13:35.779 I ran into a guy from... Scotland, who told me 288 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:39.000 that they were using Dinobots, and I don't know if 289 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:42.299 this is true or not, but they were using Dinobots 290 00:13:42.779 --> 00:13:48.830 on video to help children who had learning disabilities imitate 291 00:13:48.929 --> 00:13:54.490 Dinobots and then start coming out of themselves by play 292 00:13:54.710 --> 00:13:59.370 acting language and then being able to reshape that language 293 00:13:59.649 --> 00:14:04.019 and reform it and reframe it and refrain it. so 294 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:06.639 that you can be more polished. I don't know the 295 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:08.879 truth to that. I just know that that's what he 296 00:14:08.940 --> 00:14:11.379 told me. And I thought that was a fascinating story. 297 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:13.610 It definitely takes it to a different level that I've 298 00:14:13.649 --> 00:14:15.889 never heard that before, but now that you say that. 299 00:14:15.929 --> 00:14:20.590 Well, the whole concept of Transformers is on a different 300 00:14:20.649 --> 00:14:23.529 level now than it ever was before. When I went 301 00:14:23.580 --> 00:14:27.740 to England and I was lucky enough to be there, 302 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:31.360 My God, they held a wedding the last night of 303 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:34.519 the Transformers convention for people who had met at other 304 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:39.570 Transformers convention. And now it's about people who are transforming 305 00:14:39.730 --> 00:14:44.470 as well as the characters themselves. And there's a huge transformation, 306 00:14:44.710 --> 00:14:47.529 I want to say, in the following. And the transformation 307 00:14:47.610 --> 00:14:51.250 is not just one thing. It is so many things 308 00:14:51.570 --> 00:14:54.659 that it's humbling to be a part of what was 309 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:57.379 considered to be a toy merchandise that has had this 310 00:14:57.440 --> 00:15:00.399 kind of an effect on human beings. Right. 311 00:15:00.740 --> 00:15:03.899 Yeah. And obviously with the 40-year anniversary of the movie 312 00:15:03.940 --> 00:15:06.110 coming out, I went and saw it about a month 313 00:15:06.169 --> 00:15:08.710 ago when it was re-released in theaters. I'd never seen 314 00:15:08.750 --> 00:15:10.610 it as a kid in theaters. I probably saw it 315 00:15:10.629 --> 00:15:12.649 on a VHS. I don't remember how I saw it 316 00:15:12.710 --> 00:15:15.230 back in like 87 or whatever, but Yeah, you just 317 00:15:15.269 --> 00:15:18.289 see there's like a new, you know, maybe it's not new. 318 00:15:18.350 --> 00:15:20.009 Maybe it's always been there. But, you know, me as 319 00:15:20.049 --> 00:15:22.509 a Transformers fan, it's just like I'm more interested than 320 00:15:22.529 --> 00:15:25.080 I ever have been because of the re-release and because obviously, 321 00:15:25.100 --> 00:15:28.059 you know, Peter Cullen passing and everything that goes into this, 322 00:15:28.179 --> 00:15:30.940 you know, 40-year anniversary. It's been amazing. 323 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:34.279 No, the dinosaurs are falling. If you look at the cast. 324 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:34.879 Yeah. 325 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:41.009 Many dinosaurs have fallen. Not dinosaurs. Many eagles. Many eagles 326 00:15:41.070 --> 00:15:44.929 have fallen. People from the highest areas of voiceover. are 327 00:15:44.990 --> 00:15:48.029 beginning to fall from my from my time period you 328 00:15:48.090 --> 00:15:51.460 know we're not getting any younger but the series itself 329 00:15:51.649 --> 00:15:53.980 and i want to say thanks to wally who held 330 00:15:54.059 --> 00:15:56.059 us for a long time but he knew what he 331 00:15:56.120 --> 00:15:59.179 wanted he had a vision for what he needed and 332 00:15:59.220 --> 00:16:01.460 by god he got it one way or another he 333 00:16:01.500 --> 00:16:04.399 got it and it stood up so thank you wally. 334 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:07.840 Yeah and it's you know you talk about the live 335 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:10.299 action movies that came out so many years later and 336 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:13.259 you know there's always new animated stuff and the toys 337 00:16:13.279 --> 00:16:15.799 are you go to target or something, there's toys on shelves. 338 00:16:16.039 --> 00:16:18.940 I mean, I, I bought a jazz figure because I 339 00:16:18.980 --> 00:16:20.980 never had one as a kid. It's just like, I'm 340 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:23.740 looking at this stuff. It's like, Oh man, it's it, 341 00:16:23.820 --> 00:16:26.059 it transformers is here. It's one of those things that's 342 00:16:26.139 --> 00:16:28.120 always going to be part of pop culture. 343 00:16:28.539 --> 00:16:33.000 Jazz. No, it wasn't jazzed voiced. 344 00:16:32.700 --> 00:16:34.399 By scatman crothers. 345 00:16:34.940 --> 00:16:39.320 Yeah. Scatman was so sweet. He used to bring his 346 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:44.029 ukulele and sometimes he'd bring in, uh, a, uh, harmonica. 347 00:16:44.549 --> 00:16:48.149 And in between times, you know, he'd sing and he'd 348 00:16:48.230 --> 00:16:51.090 play some and tell stories. He was the one who 349 00:16:51.149 --> 00:16:55.649 told me how to address a microphone. He said, give 350 00:16:55.669 --> 00:17:00.450 that microphone a name. And every time you come to 351 00:17:00.490 --> 00:17:03.940 the microphone, Address it like it's the most beautiful girl 352 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:06.460 in the room and you are trying to have intimate 353 00:17:06.500 --> 00:17:10.259 relationships with this microphone. And no matter how you bring 354 00:17:10.299 --> 00:17:13.460 your A game, she's just not going to go home 355 00:17:13.519 --> 00:17:15.920 with you. But you are going to do what you can, 356 00:17:16.180 --> 00:17:19.809 coax her. And that's Scatman Carruthers saying, man, just make 357

00:17:19.910 --> 00:17:20.630 love to the mic. 358 00:17:21.309 --> 00:17:23.029 I'm going to have to take that to note, man. 359 00:17:23.069 --> 00:17:26.210 Next time I do one of these episodes here, this podcast. 360 00:17:26.849 --> 00:17:29.910 Well, give your mic a name. My microphone's name is Molly. 361 00:17:30.369 --> 00:17:33.980 Oh, well, there you go. molly there you go i'll 362 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:37.220 have to come up with something uh mike yeah mikey but. 363 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:41.759 Whatever works for you i don't know wherever your heart goes. 364 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:44.319 Man yeah that's awesome i i would have to imagine 365 00:17:44.339 --> 00:17:45.779 too like you know you brought up being in the 366 00:17:45.819 --> 00:17:48.079 same you know room with scatman crothers i mean that 367 00:17:48.140 --> 00:17:51.119 dynamic of back then what was it like were all 368 00:17:51.140 --> 00:17:53.829 of you guys together i mean i'm guessing for the 369 00:17:53.869 --> 00:17:56.009 most part it's so different than now of course but 370 00:17:56.299 --> 00:17:58.680 you know frank welker and peter cullen and scatman and 371 00:17:58.779 --> 00:18:00.880 everybody else was were you guys all kind of like 372 00:18:00.980 --> 00:18:04.180 workshopping stuff before you started recording was what was like the. 373 00:18:04.259 --> 00:18:08.970 Atmosphere oh oh hell no these guys no when you 374 00:18:09.009 --> 00:18:12.650 got to that room everyone was silent you know and 375 00:18:12.690 --> 00:18:16.569 then when you got to know people after doing shows 376 00:18:16.630 --> 00:18:18.829 with them then you'd sit off to the side and 377 00:18:19.150 --> 00:18:23.119 you'd you'd Like somebody's pager would go off and you'd say, oh, 378 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:26.339 I had it set to nationals. That wasn't supposed to 379 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:28.960 go off. And, you know, meaning, oh, I have a 380 00:18:29.029 --> 00:18:31.589 national commercial. So that's going to be a big money 381 00:18:31.630 --> 00:18:35.410 making commercial. And you just make jokes like that around 382 00:18:35.450 --> 00:18:38.930 the room. And then once people got to kind of 383 00:18:39.029 --> 00:18:41.349 get the feel for who other people were, because they 384 00:18:41.390 --> 00:18:44.250 worked with them a few times or they got to 385 00:18:44.309 --> 00:18:46.710 know them. And you got to remember, everybody that was 386 00:18:46.769 --> 00:18:50.230 there was worried about their own job. Even Scat, every 387 00:18:50.309 --> 00:18:53.430 single person there showed up to do the job. And, 388 00:18:53.849 --> 00:18:55.890 you know, you don't for a lot of people who 389 00:18:55.930 --> 00:18:59.710 haven't done voiceover, it's an unfamiliar gig. It's a different thing. Now, Scatman, 390 00:18:59.730 --> 00:19:01.890 of course, has done lots of Disney and he's done 391 00:19:01.910 --> 00:19:05.269 lots of voiceover and he's a consummate artist. But, you know, 392 00:19:05.329 --> 00:19:08.240 he doesn't know the people. So just like anybody else, 393 00:19:08.259 --> 00:19:13.099 you keep to yourself. But Frank Welker, probably the kindest, 394 00:19:13.380 --> 00:19:17.240 most affable man you'll ever meet, does not share a bit. 395 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:21.000 You will not get one trick out of Frank unless 396 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:25.279 you watch and perceive. And even then, he's careful not 397 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:30.390 to do it around me. He's just so scholarly at 398 00:19:30.450 --> 00:19:33.630 the craft, but he's also quite secretive about it. But 399 00:19:33.670 --> 00:19:37.130 he's probably the, I would say he's done more voices 400 00:19:37.190 --> 00:19:39.769 than anybody else in the history of this business. 401 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:43.779 Yeah, his IMDB page is just, it would take you 402 00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:45.799 forever to read all the things that are on there, 403 00:19:45.980 --> 00:19:47.710 and then to go ahead and find them and listen 404 00:19:47.730 --> 00:19:49.170 to them yourself, and yeah. 405 00:19:49.250 --> 00:19:52.440 Right, I mean. you know, and, you know, being with Elvis, 406 00:19:52.500 --> 00:19:54.970 with the trouble with girls appearing in that movie, I mean, 407 00:19:54.990 --> 00:19:58.990 the guy's been around, and, you know, in a number 408 00:19:59.009 --> 00:20:04.700 of And, you know, Peter was very much a solitary figure. 409 00:20:05.019 --> 00:20:09.200 He was unapproachable. You didn't approach Frank. You let them 410 00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:16.420 approach you. Chris Lotta. Chris Lotta was amazing. He was 411 00:20:16.839 --> 00:20:20.900 a lot of fun. He was a tortured soul, but 412 00:20:20.940 --> 00:20:26.599 a beautiful soul. And I like that there. So what 413 00:20:26.660 --> 00:20:27.819 else would you like to say? 414 00:20:27.859 --> 00:20:30.380 Were you the young guy coming in with all these 415 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:34.069 other actors doing Transformers and even some of the other projects? 416 00:20:34.349 --> 00:20:35.690 Were you at that time, were you kind of the 417 00:20:35.910 --> 00:20:37.289 new guy on the scene? 418 00:20:37.430 --> 00:20:43.150 I was brand spanking new. Brand spanking new. And so 419 00:20:43.210 --> 00:20:46.059 for me, it was the chance of a lifetime to 420 00:20:46.130 --> 00:20:50.640 rub elbows with huge luminaries in the craft that I 421 00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:52.980 had worked so hard to become a part of and 422 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:57.559 spend time with them. But it's an interesting thing, the business, 423 00:20:57.599 --> 00:20:59.930 because you can work on a show and you have 424 00:21:00.230 --> 00:21:02.869 family and then the show ends and you never see 425 00:21:02.890 --> 00:21:06.450 them again. And, you know, it's just the nature of 426 00:21:06.470 --> 00:21:09.890 the beast. It's like doing a play and everybody's, you know, 427 00:21:10.529 -->

00:21:13.710 in a family. And then the play closes and everybody 428 00:21:13.750 --> 00:21:17.490 goes back to their lives. And the business is very 429 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:20.519 much that way. You have to have kind of three lives. 430 00:21:20.940 --> 00:21:24.220 One life is the business and another life is the 431 00:21:24.279 --> 00:21:27.200 business and the people you're associated with. And a third 432 00:21:27.259 --> 00:21:29.599 life is your wife and children and home. 433 00:21:29.619 --> 00:21:30.960 It's a juggling act. 434 00:21:32.180 --> 00:21:36.200 Well, life is. Yeah. Some people can't separate. So hence 435 00:21:36.259 --> 00:21:37.099 a lot of divorces. 436 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:41.140 Yeah. That's the other side of it. And, and it is, 437 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:43.500 and is that, I guess that's one of the pros 438 00:21:43.559 --> 00:21:46.069 to having, you know, be able to have your own studio, right? 439 00:21:46.109 --> 00:21:49.049 I mean, you can still have family life without having 440 00:21:49.069 --> 00:21:52.049 to be on planes and in hotels and, going all 441 00:21:52.069 --> 00:21:54.269 these different cities all the time to record stuff right 442 00:21:54.309 --> 00:21:56.630 i would imagine i started. 443 00:21:56.210 --> 00:21:58.210 I was one of the first people to live leave 444 00:21:58.250 --> 00:22:01.400 hollywood and have a studio set up on the fiber 445 00:22:01.480 --> 00:22:04.700 optics i had we moved to denver uh because this 446 00:22:04.759 --> 00:22:08.019 is where john malone and liberty cable and things like 447 00:22:08.059 --> 00:22:11.650 that were and also boom boom boom used to tell 448 00:22:12.029 --> 00:22:15.390 east coast through denver to the west coast the top 449 00:22:15.430 --> 00:22:18.170 of the hour So I thought, you know, Denver is 450 00:22:18.210 --> 00:22:21.170 between both coasts. This seems like great. My wife and 451 00:22:21.210 --> 00:22:24.789 I were married in Redstone at the Redstone Castle outside 452 00:22:24.829 --> 00:22:28.299 of Sopra. So we were affiliated with the area from 453 00:22:28.339 --> 00:22:32.839 that standpoint. And we moved here and we bought a 454 00:22:32.900 --> 00:22:37.059 house that had fiber optics and a backyard for the 455 00:22:37.099 --> 00:22:40.789 dogs and a good school system for my daughter and 456 00:22:40.910 --> 00:22:44.019 set up shop. And we were the first ones to 457 00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:48.480 cross the fiber optic bridges between Denver and Los Angeles. 458 00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:51.869 And we've done a lot of kind of firsts with 459 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:56.470 respect to studio to studio things, uh, in the past. 460 00:22:56.549 --> 00:23:00.009 Now everybody does it, but I always had a studio 461 00:23:00.490 --> 00:23:03.390 and it was always amazing to me that nobody really 462 00:23:03.490 --> 00:23:06.230 ever did. Uh, the way I came up, Oh, it 463 00:23:06.250 --> 00:23:09.210 was very strange. I,

I always had a knack for 464 00:23:09.289 --> 00:23:15.069 voices and, um, advertising found me and I made that my, 465 00:23:15.309 --> 00:23:20.640 my major in college was, uh, radio, television, telecommunications, uh, 466 00:23:20.819 --> 00:23:24.170 and advertising. And, uh, I mean, my, it was an 467 00:23:24.230 --> 00:23:29.210 interesting time because you had crap to work with. Absolute crap. 468 00:23:29.309 --> 00:23:32.609 I mean, the mix, you know, the mixing console didn't work. 469 00:23:32.650 --> 00:23:35.390 Half of the patch bay cords were broken. You know, 470 00:23:35.690 --> 00:23:38.410 it was just crap, but you did the best you could. 471 00:23:38.910 --> 00:23:42.880 And the rest is always imagination. It's not what you 472 00:23:42.940 --> 00:23:45.920 have to work with. It's how you can make what 473 00:23:45.980 --> 00:23:49.940 you have work. Right. And so you work around things 474 00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:54.029 like I, I, worked for a radio station, KLOK in 475 00:23:54.089 --> 00:23:58.549 San Jose, California, 50,000 watt radio station, number one AM 476 00:23:58.589 --> 00:24:02.309 radio station. They didn't have anybody writing commercials. So I 477 00:24:02.349 --> 00:24:06.329 got hired and they had three records that had sound 478 00:24:06.390 --> 00:24:09.680 effects on it. So I was actually limited to writing 479 00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:14.839 commercials that featured those sound effects. So what happens is, 480 00:24:14.859 --> 00:24:17.650 and it's just, it's, I don't care what stage of 481 00:24:17.750 --> 00:24:20.210 advertising you're in. You got to learn how to work 482 00:24:20.250 --> 00:24:23.650 your way out of the box. So you do something like, 483 00:24:23.670 --> 00:24:27.299 Oh my God, here you are. Uh, I've been looking 484 00:24:27.390 --> 00:24:31.619 everywhere for, Oh, here, you know, why don't you come in? 485 00:24:31.640 --> 00:24:33.619 As you can see, I've got a cup, I've got 486 00:24:33.660 --> 00:24:35.920 a spoon, I've got a plate, I've got a hole 487 00:24:35.980 --> 00:24:39.579 in the roof, everything you need. Well, Dr. Kind of 488 00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:44.289 think of the name, uh, Dr. Livingston, I presume? Yes, 489 00:24:44.380 --> 00:24:48.170 come on in. And Livingston is doing real estate. So, 490 00:24:48.569 --> 00:24:50.930 you know, all you have is a cup and a spoon. 491 00:24:51.130 --> 00:24:54.069 And you're trying to do an orchestra. Yeah, you use 492 00:24:54.109 --> 00:24:57.490 those two to create a situation, and then the situation 493 00:24:57.559 --> 00:25:01.079 carries the message. And, you know, that's working your way 494 00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:05.200 kind of out of the box, working with limited things 495 00:25:05.299 --> 00:25:09.069 and finding a way to use them. Old radio, I've 496 00:25:09.130 --> 00:25:11.650 always been a fan of that. And I've worked with 497 00:25:11.710 --> 00:25:15.569 some wonderful people from old radio. And one of the 498 00:25:15.630 --> 00:25:18.630 guys that I worked with was a guy who did 499 00:25:18.730 --> 00:25:21.490 all the sound effects for Fibber McGee and Molly. And 500 00:25:21.529 --> 00:25:24.240 he taught me that the way you do Fibber McGee 501 00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:28.480 and Molly's closet crash is you have a ladder. with 502 00:25:28.539 --> 00:25:31.680 different sized books on each different step. And you push 503 00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:34.220 the upper books, then the middle books, then the lower books. 504 00:25:34.269 --> 00:25:36.210 And then you top it off with a milk pail 505 00:25:36.309 --> 00:25:44.769 with a clattering handle. So it all comes down. You know, 506 00:25:44.809 --> 00:25:49.180 you work with what you work with. Yeah. And, you know, 507 00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:52.220 you want to get a lightsaber, you thwack the power 508 00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:56.849 lines that are holding the, the, the securing cables to 509 00:25:56.930 --> 00:26:00.009 the power towers in, in, in San Rafael. 510 00:26:00.230 --> 00:26:02.170 Hell, you read my mind. Cause I'm a star Wars geek. 511 00:26:02.210 --> 00:26:04.630 And I remember the first time I saw a visual 512 00:26:04.670 --> 00:26:06.150 of like, I think it's like a wrench or something 513 00:26:06.190 --> 00:26:09.730 or hitting the power line or whatever to get that effect. 514 00:26:10.089 --> 00:26:11.890 And I was like, that's all it is. Like, it's 515 00:26:11.950 --> 00:26:15.230 not just some, you know, you know, sound effect a. 516 00:26:15.670 --> 00:26:20.390 Laser giant cookie sheet, a giant cooking, you know, like 517 00:26:20.869 --> 00:26:24.329 from a giant oven. And it was like those rungs 518 00:26:24.369 --> 00:26:26.869 that you can slide things on, like in the different 519 00:26:27.250 --> 00:26:29.049 shelves that you can pull out, like you can pull 520 00:26:29.089 --> 00:26:31.470 out of your oven right now, only on a large 521 00:26:31.569 --> 00:26:35.970 baking scale. And they held them up with a fishing line, 522 00:26:36.390 --> 00:26:39.940 and then they miked it with a mic that picks 523 00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:43.700 up vibration, and they just tapped it with a wooden mallet. 524 00:26:43.940 --> 00:26:45.160 And that's the docking sound. 525 00:26:45.509 --> 00:26:47.089 And that's a sound that's unique. 526 00:26:47.109 --> 00:26:49.490 That's just a little bit of it all. Yeah. You know, 527 00:26:49.509 --> 00:26:50.990 I know how they do the, I know how they 528 00:26:51.009 --> 00:26:53.829 did the lightsaber fights and all that stuff. I was 529 00:26:53.849 --> 00:26:57.859 an Ewok. I mean, that's right. I've, I've seen, I've 530 00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:00.859 seen behind the curtain and it is amazing. 531 00:27:02.180 --> 00:27:03.779 And you, I'm sure you took a lot from that too. 532 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:05.819 You know, your time doing stuff like that. You're like, 533 00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:07.299 this is another world here. 534

00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:10.349 This is, Oh no, that's been my, you know, Foley 535 00:27:10.390 --> 00:27:14.500 has been something that I, yeah. I've always loved and 536 00:27:16.089 --> 00:27:18.450 just the ability to be able to pick up something 537 00:27:18.490 --> 00:27:20.509 and say, oh, how do you make that sound effect? Well, 538 00:27:20.549 --> 00:27:24.609 you take a spatula and you rub it against a 539 00:27:25.029 --> 00:27:28.099 like a pry bar, a crowbar, and you get a 540 00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:31.039 nice swing. And that's how you get the sword swing. 541 00:27:31.180 --> 00:27:33.299 You know, speaking of sound effects, I had to go 542 00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:36.500 back to Transformers for one second. You also voice shrapnel. 543 00:27:36.900 --> 00:27:40.380 And the Insecticons had the coolest voice other than Soundwave 544 00:27:40.660 --> 00:27:43.160 on that show and in the movie and everything. Talk 545 00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:45.180 about you're doing your voice, but then they put that little, 546 00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:47.369 I don't know what to call it, that echo effect, right, 547 00:27:47.529 --> 00:27:48.269 on top of it. 548 00:27:48.569 --> 00:27:49.069 I did that. 549 00:27:49.349 --> 00:27:50.589 You did that. That's all you. 550 00:27:50.789 --> 00:27:53.910 Yeah. Yeah, that's all me. But they added a little, 551 00:27:54.569 --> 00:27:58.210 you know, they added a little reverberation and little effects 552 00:27:58.329 --> 00:28:01.910 on my voice. But in fact, now they've replaced shrapnel 553 00:28:01.950 --> 00:28:04.849 with a female in France because they couldn't find anybody 554 00:28:04.910 --> 00:28:08.059 that could do a voice high enough. So, you know, 555 00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:11.180 this is what happens. They don't go back to the originals. 556 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:14.460 They replace you. But Shrapnel was always. 557 00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:16.720 One of my favorite favorites. 558 00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:20.859 He's from Monty Python. He's one of the women who 559 00:28:20.980 --> 00:28:28.480 are watching the guillotines doing one stitch per head. Guillotine! Guillotine! 560 00:28:30.700 --> 00:28:32.890 And I just thought, OK, well, he's an insect and 561 00:28:32.930 --> 00:28:35.210 he's a bloodsucker. And all he wants to do is 562 00:28:35.269 --> 00:28:36.769 just take your energy on. 563 00:28:36.869 --> 00:28:39.589 So I just made him more like this. 564 00:28:41.130 --> 00:28:43.930 And then they said, well, my name is shrapnel. And 565 00:28:43.950 --> 00:28:48.769 then it had parentheses shrapnel. So I thought, well, if 566 00:28:48.849 --> 00:28:51.940 it's supposed to be like an echo, I'll just take 567 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:55.400 the first couple of letters off the repeat. So I 568 00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:57.440 would say shrapnel right now. 569 00:28:58.369 --> 00:29:00.950 My name Insecticon to come. 570 00:29:01.410 --> 00:29:02.930 I could just hear this all day, Hal. You can

571 00:29:02.950 --> 00:29:05.170 keep going. I don't need to be here. 572 00:29:08.180 --> 00:29:11.099 But, you know, it doesn't matter who's doing the voice. 573 00:29:11.339 --> 00:29:15.319 Everybody that's in this industry and everyone who's successful in 574 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:19.519 this industry, it's all imagination. Yeah. Don't let anybody tell 575 00:29:19.539 --> 00:29:22.940 you that it's not because you see these words and 576 00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:26.750 everybody else sees the same words. And most people will 577 00:29:26.789 --> 00:29:31.809 read it in that same dun-da-dun-da-diddly-dun, dun-da-dun-da-diddly-dun. Somebody's going to 578 00:29:31.849 --> 00:29:35.470 pick it up and say, well, why? Dun-da-dun-da-diddly-dun. And you're 579 00:29:35.490 --> 00:29:38.829 going to go, oh, I hear it differently now. And 580 00:29:38.869 --> 00:29:41.980 it's all in your approach. And that all comes from 581 00:29:42.019 --> 00:29:44.859 your imagination and where you put the voice. Now, I 582 00:29:44.900 --> 00:29:49.019 just put the final touches on my book, Aiming for Hollywood, 583 00:29:49.420 --> 00:29:53.279 a handbook for multi-voice acting. And I'm doing this to 584 00:29:53.339 --> 00:29:56.819 help people so they can compete with artificial intelligence. In 585 00:29:56.900 --> 00:30:02.349 case artificial intelligence steals your primary voice, learn how to 586 00:30:02.410 --> 00:30:06.750 do other voices and gauge yourself away from just where 587 00:30:06.789 --> 00:30:10.589 your natural voice is. Learn how to put yourself into 588 00:30:10.650 --> 00:30:13.880 your head, into your chest, into your neck. Use the 589 00:30:13.940 --> 00:30:17.539 letter E and go from the bottom of your spectrum. 590 00:30:24.230 --> 00:30:27.109 and anywhere on that you can step out and. 591 00:30:27.029 --> 00:30:29.210 Have a voice that's great i had one of my 592 00:30:29.309 --> 00:30:32.400 questions hal as a tips for aspiring voice actors i 593 00:30:32.420 --> 00:30:34.119 think you just did it when does the book come 594 00:30:34.220 --> 00:30:35.980 out is that you said you're still working on it. 595 00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:38.279 Well i have it all it's all written it's being 596 00:30:38.299 --> 00:30:40.680 uh kind of checked over for grammatics and stuff right 597 00:30:40.700 --> 00:30:42.779 now before i send it to the publishers but i'm 598 00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:47.109 sending it out uh january 3rd 2027 to find a 599 00:30:47.150 --> 00:30:51.109 publisher and i'm not going to self-publish uh but I'll 600 00:30:51.150 --> 00:30:54.390 find someone and it'll go out there. And as soon 601 00:30:54.430 --> 00:30:56.730 as I have it available for everybody, I'll put the 602 00:30:56.789 --> 00:30:58.630 word out, but I have that. And then I have 603 00:30:58.690 --> 00:31:01.680 another thing that I'm doing called magical stories where I've 604 00:31:01.740 --> 00:31:04.140 just kind of, a friend of mine was the head 605 00:31:04.220 --> 00:31:07.259 of a Google nest. And he was telling me that 606 00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:10.779 a lot of the people work their brains so hard 607 00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:14.140 that they just need to take a break. So I 608 00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:18.759 started writing little stories and I've got magical stories, 19 609 00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.849 of them right now. And, uh, They're all over the spectrum, 610 00:31:22.869 --> 00:31:26.180 but they're mostly for young adult. And it's what if 611 00:31:26.220 --> 00:31:30.000 you were to be able to live through another person's dream? 612 00:31:30.500 --> 00:31:33.339 What would that be like? What would they dream? Where 613 00:31:33.380 --> 00:31:37.000 would they go? How would that affect you? How does 614 00:31:37.059 --> 00:31:40.009 that affect? What do you learn from any of this? 615 00:31:40.450 --> 00:31:42.450 When I wake up and if I even remember my dreams, 616 00:31:42.490 --> 00:31:44.769 I'm usually freaked out by some of them. So to 617 00:31:44.789 --> 00:31:45.690 put someone else through that. 618 00:31:45.710 --> 00:31:49.509 Well, that's just it, you know. Yeah. It is such 619 00:31:49.529 --> 00:31:54.410 a wonder. We spend 60% of our lives asleep and 620 00:31:55.009 --> 00:31:58.430 you should not dream alone. You should dream for everyone 621 00:31:58.470 --> 00:32:02.150 and you should make your dreams a reality. And, you know, 622 00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:08.119 dreams are where inventions come from. Dreams are where anything 623 00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:12.420 that enables a better lifestyle comes from. And dreams come 624 00:32:12.460 --> 00:32:15.559 from humans and they don't come from A.I. The only 625 00:32:15.619 --> 00:32:18.299 way AI dreams is when it makes up a fact. 626 00:32:18.420 --> 00:32:20.720 Have you noticed any characters that you've come up with 627 00:32:20.740 --> 00:32:22.000 like in the middle of the night or wake up 628 00:32:22.019 --> 00:32:24.119 from a dream like, oh, I got an idea for 629 00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:26.279 X character or something? Has that ever happened to you? 630 00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:26.920 I'm sure it has. 631 00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:29.069 You know, what I do in the book is I 632 00:32:29.140 --> 00:32:31.890 talk about how it's important for you to cover the 633 00:32:32.269 --> 00:32:35.970 schematic of what you might consider to be a communal life. 634 00:32:36.210 --> 00:32:38.329 In other words, take a community. Do you have a 635 00:32:38.349 --> 00:32:40.190 voice for a baker? Do you have a voice for 636 00:32:40.230 --> 00:32:42.589 an insurance agent? How about a bank teller? Do you 637 00:32:42.609 --> 00:32:46.069 have a voice for The security guard? How about the policeman? 638 00:32:46.369 --> 00:32:49.640 How about the FBI? How about a lieutenant, a general, 639 00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:52.160 a private, a major? You see where I'm going? 640 00:32:52.420 --> 00:32:53.579 Yeah, the whole community.

641 00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:57.160 Every aspect you can come up with. Go through, sit 642 00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:59.160 down in front of your computer and say, what were 643 00:32:59.220 --> 00:33:04.119 the top 100 first names 40 years ago? And you'll 644 00:33:04.140 --> 00:33:06.980 get a list of first names. Then say, what were 645 00:33:07.019 --> 00:33:11.579 the top 100 last names 60 years ago? Now, start 646 00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:14.400 just taking first names and connecting it with last names 647 00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:18.160 and coming up with characters. If you're Jim, that's one thing. 648 00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:22.069 If you're James, that's another. If you're Jimmy, that's another. Right. 649 00:33:22.089 --> 00:33:22.769 Three different people. 650 00:33:23.150 --> 00:33:27.750 Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And each one has a different affectation 651 00:33:28.130 --> 00:33:31.089 of how they approach life based on the given name 652 00:33:31.130 --> 00:33:34.369 they have. James would be more pulled together than Jimmy. 653 00:33:34.450 --> 00:33:36.809 Jimmy would be the guy you'd go to as opposed 654 00:33:36.849 --> 00:33:40.029 to James. And Jim is the guy who handles the business. 655 00:33:40.910 --> 00:33:41.369 There you go. 656 00:33:41.670 --> 00:33:46.630 He's your insurance agent. James is your banker, and Jimmy 657 00:33:46.690 --> 00:33:48.529 is the guy who gets things done. 658 00:33:48.819 --> 00:33:49.730 There you go, see? 659 00:33:49.950 --> 00:33:51.839 When you ask the question, do you wake up in 660 00:33:51.859 --> 00:33:55.440 the middle of the night thinking about characters? No, I don't. 661 00:33:55.779 --> 00:33:59.640 I let the characters come to me. Mostly what I 662 00:33:59.779 --> 00:34:05.559 am is I'm a vessel for allowing personalities and voices 663 00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:08.570 to flow through me. It can be a very confusing 664 00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:13.030 thing to get that from its infancy into a business. 665 00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:17.159 You can get rattled. You can get knocked off your path. 666 00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:22.329 You can get self-important. You can get full of BS. 667 00:34:22.909 --> 00:34:25.909 It all depends on how you let it affect you. 668 00:34:26.150 --> 00:34:28.750 For me, it's always been a journey and always been 669 00:34:28.789 --> 00:34:32.389 a voyage of learning more about the human psyche and 670 00:34:32.449 --> 00:34:37.269 more about where people come from personality-wise. I watch a 671 00:34:37.349 --> 00:34:42.530 brow when somebody's talking. Take Jimmy Stewart. Jimmy Stewart leans 672 00:34:42.570 --> 00:34:47.269 his his forehead towards you. And then when he does that, 673 00:34:47.590 --> 00:34:51.050 then he had a stuttering because he was always trying 674 00:34:51.090 --> 00:34:53.929 to make sure he could remember the script. So that's 675 00:34:53.969 --> 00:34:57.610 where all that hesitancy was coming in. He wanted to 676 00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:02.000 make sure each word was correct in the same lineage. 677 00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:07.460 So he would do that and then he would come 678 00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:10.420 out and have a whole series. Yeah, I watched the 679 00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:13.969 eyebrows and then the jowl. then I could see that 680 00:35:14.030 --> 00:35:17.989 his jaw was loose. And because it was loose, then 681 00:35:18.090 --> 00:35:23.690 you can do the stutter. And I noticed that his 682 00:35:23.789 --> 00:35:28.500 voice was mostly in his upper chest and lower neck. 683 00:35:29.019 --> 00:35:32.920 So he's not really so much in his face. He's 684 00:35:33.019 --> 00:35:36.840 right there. Mary, Mary. Now everyone out there is going 685 00:35:36.860 --> 00:35:39.119 to go, who the heck is Jimmy Stewart? 686 00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:39.420 Right. 687 00:35:40.940 --> 00:35:44.159 It's a wonderful life, yeah. Yeah, well, that's when I 688 00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:48.420 come to this. Ladies and gentlemen out there in the audience, 689 00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:52.059 get hip to the past. There are so many great 690 00:35:52.179 --> 00:35:56.170 voices in the 20s, 30s, and 40s from the movies, 691 00:35:56.409 --> 00:36:01.510 from old radio. Yeah, there are stereotypes, but stereotypes exist 692 00:36:01.570 --> 00:36:04.750 for a reason. And the reason they exist is because 693 00:36:04.789 --> 00:36:08.429 they're part of life. They're sewn into the fiber. They're 694 00:36:08.469 --> 00:36:11.650 part of the matrix of what we call the quilt 695 00:36:11.809 --> 00:36:17.539 of Americana. It's everything and everyone. We're not one thing. 696 00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:21.559 So when you maybe think, oh, man, now I can't 697 00:36:21.619 --> 00:36:23.760 do a lot of the ethnic stuff I used to 698 00:36:23.820 --> 00:36:27.099 do that was so fun. Don't worry about that. Do 699 00:36:27.139 --> 00:36:31.739 the ethnic stuff you can do. Do a Russian. Do 700 00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:36.019 someone from England. Do someone from Australia. Do someone from Canada. 701 00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:38.389 You know, make fun of the ones we can make 702 00:36:38.469 --> 00:36:41.230 fun of that you're not going to be out of, 703 00:36:41.429 --> 00:36:44.730 let's say, the proper forum. You have to be careful 704 00:36:44.769 --> 00:36:47.309 of your audience and you have to gear what you 705 00:36:47.349 --> 00:36:50.679 do towards your audience. And now the audience is so 706 00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:54.159 different than it ever has been that what it really 707 00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:58.269 comes down to is you. and how you can affect 708 00:36:58.329 --> 00:37:03.300 your voice to have it fit today's audience. Now, what 709 00:37:03.340 --> 00:37:07.260 a TikTok audience is, that's not for me. That's for you. 710 00:37:07.699 --> 00:37:10.389 You have to discover that. In my book and in 711 00:37:10.469 --> 00:37:12.619 all the things I'm doing, all I'm going to do 712 00:37:12.699 -->

00:37:15.659 is give you every aspect of the tricks that I 713 00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:18.619 know and that I've learned and I've observed for you 714 00:37:18.739 --> 00:37:21.880 to be able to say that I can utilize, that 715 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:26.099 I can use, and you can have other voices other 716 00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:29.920 than your regular speaking voice so that if you're going 717 00:37:29.980 --> 00:37:34.750 to venture into gaming and you're going to venture into different... things, 718 00:37:35.010 --> 00:37:40.139 you can have some throwaway voices that AI might remanufacture, 719 00:37:40.179 --> 00:37:44.320 but they're not you. Keep yourself. Hold on to you, 720 00:37:44.500 --> 00:37:47.480 but if you need to, sell off the other characters. 721 00:37:47.699 --> 00:37:50.139 But not your main ones. Hold on to your babies. 722 00:37:50.460 --> 00:37:54.650 That's your creation. Your job, if you're going to be 723 00:37:54.829 --> 00:37:57.909 in this business, is to be part of the celestial 724 00:37:58.010 --> 00:38:01.909 firmament of stars. Your stars are a little further out 725 00:38:01.989 --> 00:38:05.570 than the primary stars, but your job is to blend 726 00:38:05.610 --> 00:38:10.460 with them. If your voice interferes with a star, you're 727 00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:13.420 going to go, not the star. So learn to shift 728 00:38:13.460 --> 00:38:18.119 your voice around so that any character you're doing doesn't 729 00:38:18.179 --> 00:38:21.820 conflict with someone else on the set. That way you're 730 00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:25.659 assured you're going to keep your character and the audience 731 00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:29.630 is going to be assured that they know who's speaking. 732 00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:33.139 You're not going to get one voice sounding like somebody else's. Now, 733 00:38:33.179 --> 00:38:37.019 you've heard cartoon shows where one guy does another character, 734 00:38:37.059 --> 00:38:40.159 and you can tell that it's that guy doing another character. 735 00:38:40.340 --> 00:38:43.460 And that's because they don't have voice separation. And that 736 00:38:43.619 --> 00:38:48.190 is what this business is, voice separation. You get into 737 00:38:48.570 --> 00:38:51.090 any of the great ones, Frank Welker, any of them, 738 00:38:51.309 --> 00:38:54.590 they all have voice separation. You can't tell it's the 739 00:38:54.630 --> 00:38:56.769 same person doing all those voices. 740 00:38:57.090 --> 00:38:59.070 That's a great point, because I was looking up your... 741 00:38:59.380 --> 00:39:01.900 you know, IMDB and everything else, you know, for instance, 742 00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:04.239 said Predator 2. I'm thinking like, how did he do that? 743 00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:06.019 That doesn't sound like anything he's ever done, you know, 744 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:08.179 or Ghoulies, you know, things like that. And that really 745 00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:09.800 just kind of brings it to that. Is it the 746 00:39:09.820 --> 00:39:12.269 voice separation? Like, I don't know unless I see your name. 747 00:39:12.349 --> 00:39:15.710 That's you doing that voice. So that's pretty incredible looking 748 00:39:15.730 --> 00:39:16.329 at it from that perspective. 749 00:39:16.570 --> 00:39:19.730 Well, you know, and with respect to Peter passing, he 750 00:39:19.769 --> 00:39:22.599 wasn't very happy that I did that. But I was 751 00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:26.679 told he passed. And I guess it was a negotiation ploy. 752 00:39:26.739 --> 00:39:29.969 I don't know. But at any rate, it was not easy. 753 00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:33.679 to do that, boys. And they asked me to create 754 00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:38.039 the language when the elder throws the gun to, well, 755 00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:41.019 the star. Anyway, I throw him the gun. 756 00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:41.760 Oh, Danny Glover. 757 00:39:42.179 --> 00:39:45.239 Yeah, Danny Glover. And they said, well, we need you 758 00:39:45.380 --> 00:39:48.519 to do something different. And pretty much everything I was 759 00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:52.940 doing was just roars and squeals and pain and different 760 00:39:52.980 --> 00:39:56.860 other kinds of things and attack motives. So I kind 761 00:39:56.920 --> 00:40:01.159 of put together on the fly like a click language. 762 00:40:01.420 --> 00:40:09.489 Click language. Click language. So it all comes from like 763 00:40:09.530 --> 00:40:13.949 a gurgling thing, which is all part of that. But 764 00:40:14.510 --> 00:40:18.050 if he was, I gave him the attack manner of 765 00:40:18.070 --> 00:40:27.340 a samurai. Samurai mentality is a warrior. So that's where 766 00:40:27.380 --> 00:40:27.980 that came from. 767 00:40:28.210 --> 00:40:30.510 That is so amazing, man. And what's it like when 768 00:40:30.530 --> 00:40:33.989 you're doing like an established character, like Predator 2, for instance, 769 00:40:34.050 --> 00:40:36.800 or obviously Predator 1, or even like doing the Muppets 770 00:40:36.820 --> 00:40:40.340 like Miss Piggy or Gonzo? Is it hard because there's 771 00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:44.719 already an established voice or a sound, but you're trying. 772 00:40:44.139 --> 00:40:47.119 To- It was not hard for Gonzo and Animal, but 773 00:40:47.460 --> 00:40:49.719 I had a difficult time with Miss Piggy because their 774 00:40:49.739 --> 00:40:53.909 director would not allow me to do anything it was 775 00:40:54.150 --> 00:40:55.889 you know i wanted to like. 776 00:40:55.949 --> 00:41:09.090 Sing little songs and do this and do that. 777 00:41:06.690 --> 00:41:10.650 And things like that and uh what she does i 778 00:41:10.690 --> 00:41:13.650 mean her whole thing is that she's not qualified and 779 00:41:13.730 --> 00:41:17.110 she's afraid and somebody's gonna find out so she does 780 00:41:17.150 --> 00:41:20.670 it all with you know cover up and and vibrato 781 00:41:20.929 --> 00:41:24.360 uh and and you know, she's always afraid of being 782

00:41:24.460 --> 00:41:27.219 found out, but he wouldn't let me disclose that much 783 00:41:27.260 --> 00:41:32.619 of that. I just got to do the standard, oh, pinky, oh, curmy, oh, no, oh, kissy, kissy, 784 00:41:33.219 --> 00:41:35.239 you know, that kind of stuff. So I felt like 785 00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:39.800 some actors and some directors, you know, like I've worked 786 00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:44.070 for directors that just say, go, do, be, and you 787 00:41:44.090 --> 00:41:48.590 get to do and have some loose room. And then 788 00:41:48.610 --> 00:41:53.420 there are other directors that see it one way and 789 00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:57.019 those are the most difficult ones to please because i 790 00:41:57.059 --> 00:42:00.199 have a little statue on my desk that's called no 791 00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:03.050 and it's a when a bow tie and a little 792 00:42:03.130 --> 00:42:06.829 suit vest is wearing blinders and looking straight at you 793 00:42:07.389 --> 00:42:10.769 and it says no you know no has no peripheral 794 00:42:10.849 --> 00:42:15.000 vision no has no is a bean counter in charge 795 00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:19.260 of imagination they don't see the big picture they only 796 00:42:19.340 --> 00:42:21.619 see the cost Do you see what I'm saying? 797 00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:24.139 Yeah, very one-sided point of view almost, right? 798 00:42:24.460 --> 00:42:27.619 Well, that's what you have to face if you're going 799 00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:33.059 to be in this business. No. Every day. Everywhere you look, no. Now, 800 00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:37.579 I had my sisters. That's just like sales. And I thought, bullshit. 801 00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:42.510 You get a check either way in sales. Unless you're 802 00:42:42.550 --> 00:42:47.670 working solely on... I only... I get no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 803 00:42:48.130 --> 00:42:50.690 And then a yes. And what I have to do 804 00:42:51.409 --> 00:42:55.949 is be artful enough to believe that I can make 805 00:42:56.010 --> 00:42:59.110 it through all the no's and have enough yeses to 806 00:42:59.150 --> 00:42:59.829 have a good year. 807 00:43:00.510 --> 00:43:03.409 Bean count the yeses. Make those go off. 808 00:43:03.429 --> 00:43:07.280 Well, the bean counters, when you get somebody who's in 809 00:43:07.340 --> 00:43:12.219 accounting and you make them in charge of creative, that's 810 00:43:12.260 --> 00:43:16.219 not how they're manufactured. That's not how their brain works. 811 00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:18.980 The brain doesn't work on imagination. The brain works on 812 00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:24.179 Statistics works on numbers, figures. You can't take somebody with 813 00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:26.989 numbers and figures. When we go to schools, my wife 814 00:43:27.050 --> 00:43:29.510 and I, and we say, what is your passion? Most 815 00:43:29.570 --> 00:43:32.210 people can't answer that question because it's not a right 816 00:43:32.269 --> 00:43:35.070 or wrong answer. It's something

that they have to choose 817 00:43:35.130 --> 00:43:39.150 themselves and say, this is what I do. But most 818 00:43:39.429 --> 00:43:42.889 people have to refer to their parents or their teachers 819 00:43:43.510 --> 00:43:45.769 on what they should be doing because they feel like 820 00:43:45.809 --> 00:43:48.929 that's what their obligation is. they're caught in the rut 821 00:43:49.010 --> 00:43:53.670 of being a student. Actually, what their true journey is education, 822 00:43:54.010 --> 00:43:57.650 but they're missing that because they're in the rut of, oh, 823 00:43:57.690 --> 00:43:59.170 I have to do this, I have to do that. 824 00:43:59.530 --> 00:44:02.849 What is it you'd like to do? What is your passion? 825 00:44:03.090 --> 00:44:06.409 And once they can or cannot answer, we say, okay, 826 00:44:06.730 --> 00:44:09.489 how many here like to work with figures? Oh, raise 827 00:44:09.510 --> 00:44:13.630 your hand. Okay. How many here like to be creative 828 00:44:13.690 --> 00:44:18.349 and just and do fun things. Okay. You people need 829 00:44:18.389 --> 00:44:21.610 to make friends with these people because these people need 830 00:44:21.670 --> 00:44:24.329 you to make them laugh and you need them to 831 00:44:24.409 --> 00:44:25.170 do your books. 832 00:44:25.650 --> 00:44:27.510 There it is. 833 00:44:28.329 --> 00:44:31.889 Yeah. We need each other, right? We all need each other. 834 00:44:32.030 --> 00:44:34.920 We feed off of each other in different ways. And 835 00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:38.480 everyone has D walk a different way of knowing. The 836 00:44:38.539 --> 00:44:42.090 problem is, is We're all crash test dummies for a 837 00:44:42.170 --> 00:44:46.070 fast moving society. You know, things are being thrown at 838 00:44:46.170 --> 00:44:49.250 us and we're being tested on so many different levels. 839 00:44:49.349 --> 00:44:52.150 Cars that can drive themselves. Well, now I can drink 840 00:44:52.530 --> 00:44:55.670 and have my Tesla drive me home. Can you? Can 841 00:44:55.710 --> 00:44:59.139 you really? You know, it's like this is a different 842 00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:03.519 time frame. And I think what this time frame and 843 00:45:03.559 --> 00:45:06.320 what the future is going to call for is more 844 00:45:06.340 --> 00:45:12.130 of the past, more of good stories. good writers, good acting, 845 00:45:12.570 --> 00:45:17.380 good storytelling, taking people out of the plight of their 846 00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:23.519 life and magically transforming two hours, maybe three, into a 847 00:45:23.619 --> 00:45:28.000 journey of imagination that lets them forget everything that they're 848 00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:30.909 worried about. It's just like we're going to see people 849 00:45:30.969 --> 00:45:35.989 coming back to handmade furniture, handmade items, as opposed to 850 00:45:36.130 --> 00:45:39.269 all of this knick-knack and Chotsky made of plastic and 851 00:45:39.659 --> 00:45:42.780 You know, none of it

has a personality. None of 852 00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:45.039 it has a there there. We're going to come back 853 00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:47.219 to humanity and we're going to come back to what's 854 00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:50.860 important for humanity. Because in the end, we are humans 855 00:45:51.260 --> 00:45:54.710 and we will reject what is not human. Or at 856 00:45:54.750 --> 00:45:57.110 least I hope we have this too. 857 00:45:57.369 --> 00:45:59.909 There's enough of us, hopefully, to make that happen. And I, 858 00:46:00.309 --> 00:46:02.789 you know, you're talking, you're making me think of Like 859 00:46:02.809 --> 00:46:05.650 I'm always accused of liking old movies and old music 860 00:46:05.710 --> 00:46:07.050 and such. And some of it is because I grew 861 00:46:07.070 --> 00:46:08.989 up with it. But I do think there is something 862 00:46:09.150 --> 00:46:12.349 different about the way things are made. Furniture is another 863 00:46:12.409 --> 00:46:12.969 example of that. 864 00:46:13.809 --> 00:46:16.570 Well, think about it. In the 70s, people went to 865 00:46:16.659 --> 00:46:18.320 places to listen to music. 866 00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:19.469 Very much so. 867 00:46:19.570 --> 00:46:22.179 You went to a bar. You went to a roadhouse. 868 00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:26.000 You went to someplace where somebody was playing music. And 869 00:46:26.260 --> 00:46:30.239 that is now far and few between. And now you 870 00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:34.460 go someplace and they have streamed music. with some kind 871 00:46:34.500 --> 00:46:38.480 of lo-fi chill added to it so that you're not 872 00:46:38.539 --> 00:46:43.940 interrupted in your latte and have that proper time. You know, 873 00:46:44.300 --> 00:46:47.280 we're in a delicate time. We're in a time where 874 00:46:47.340 --> 00:46:51.199 a lot of people feel, I'm good, I'm good. But 875 00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:53.920 we need to study our history. We need to make 876 00:46:53.980 --> 00:46:56.739 sure we don't repeat the same mistakes because what happens 877 00:46:56.820 --> 00:47:00.300 with good is change is going to come. It always does. 878 00:47:00.739 --> 00:47:02.329 And then you're going to go, well, wait a minute, 879 00:47:02.409 --> 00:47:04.929 I was good and now I'm not good anymore. Well, 880 00:47:05.510 --> 00:47:08.929 welcome to the world. The most common thing in all 881 00:47:08.989 --> 00:47:11.849 of this is that change comes. So you have to 882 00:47:11.889 --> 00:47:15.409 learn how to change voice with where the trends are. 883 00:47:15.650 --> 00:47:17.750 So we're going to circle back to my book now 884 00:47:17.809 --> 00:47:20.110 and we're going to circle back to what I do, 885 00:47:20.349 --> 00:47:25.159 and that's communicate. So the important thing for you, anyone listening, 886 00:47:25.659 --> 00:47:28.920 is that you should grasp the fact that from now on, 887 00:47:29.059 --> 00:47:32.579 you are a communicator. You are the source of other 888

00:47:32.659 --> 00:47:36.670 people's news. If you understand what I mean, then you 889 00:47:36.989 --> 00:47:40.969 have to take it upon you to educate yourself so 890 00:47:41.030 --> 00:47:45.349 that you are that educated. You are that voice. You 891 00:47:45.449 --> 00:47:50.769 can interpret cold reads and information and discern the underlying 892 00:47:50.889 --> 00:47:56.090 truth from the writer and envelop and deliver that message accordingly. 893 00:47:56.250 --> 00:48:00.210 You're paid to communicate, whether it's a character or whether 894 00:48:00.250 --> 00:48:03.789 it's a commercial or whether it's news or weather. that's 895 00:48:03.889 --> 00:48:06.730 what you're paid for you're a face you're a voice 896 00:48:07.010 --> 00:48:11.269 you're an entity who communicates to others as you believe 897 00:48:11.610 --> 00:48:15.010 so shall others but if you're questioning yourself don't think 898 00:48:15.030 --> 00:48:17.550 you're going to get far because everyone else is going 899 00:48:17.570 --> 00:48:20.539 to see the question on your on your face so 900 00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:25.400 suck it up buttercup there it is yeah get hot or. 901 00:48:25.340 --> 00:48:28.059 Go home there you go everybody listening hell's not just 902 00:48:28.179 --> 00:48:30.079 telling you about voices he's giving you a lot of 903 00:48:30.139 --> 00:48:32.909 other stuff there to go along with it and I 904 00:48:32.929 --> 00:48:35.690 do want to ask you, was there a character that 905 00:48:35.769 --> 00:48:38.690 you had a hard time coming up with a voice for? 906 00:48:38.809 --> 00:48:41.269 And was there one that came naturally where it's like, oh, 907 00:48:41.409 --> 00:48:43.510 this is so easy. I can do this because of 908 00:48:43.829 --> 00:48:46.179 your life experiences, right? I mean, that's kind of what 909 00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:48.280 this all comes down to, like who you are comes 910 00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:49.699 out in your voices, doesn't it? 911 00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:51.039 I'd say Deep Six. 912 00:48:51.780 --> 00:48:52.519 Yeah. 913 00:48:52.619 --> 00:48:56.380 He was Charlie Bronson. And, you know, Charlie Bronson never 914 00:48:56.420 --> 00:48:58.469 had an easy day in his life. He came from 915 00:48:58.530 --> 00:49:02.730 minors and he was a Slovakian guy. And he was 916 00:49:03.329 --> 00:49:05.530 pressed to work from the time he was just a 917 00:49:05.590 --> 00:49:09.880 small boy. So when I got the chance to do 918 00:49:09.940 --> 00:49:14.059 Deep Six and my line was, Colonel, I go down 919 00:49:14.059 --> 00:49:18.349 50 fathoms. I defuse 50 megaton bombs. I like to 920 00:49:18.409 --> 00:49:20.880 be alone. And I looked at that and I thought, well, 921 00:49:20.900 --> 00:49:25.920 that's Charlie Bronson. You know, that's Kowalski. That's the tunneler. 922 00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:29.099 That's the guy you send out who's afraid of the dark, 923 00:49:29.139 --> 00:49:32.860 but digs the tunnels anyway. Exactly. So I just made 924 00:49:32.900 --> 00:49:36.489 him this way. Colonel, I go down 50 fathoms. I 925 00:49:36.510 --> 00:49:40.639 defuse 50 megaton bombs. I like to be alone. 926 00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:45.389 That's so cool, man. It's like Death Wish, but with 927 00:49:45.409 --> 00:49:45.889 deep six. 928 00:49:46.110 --> 00:49:49.469 You got a Death Wish. Exactly. You know, and so 929 00:49:49.510 --> 00:49:54.570 Charlie Bronson and a Dinobot, they both spoke very small, 930 00:49:54.949 --> 00:49:58.570 very little. Only this, only that. I like to be alone. 931 00:49:58.949 --> 00:50:01.869 You got a Death Wish. I am Snarl. You like 932 00:50:01.909 --> 00:50:07.630 to be alone. You got a Death Wish. So Snarl 933 00:50:07.670 --> 00:50:09.690 and Charlie Bronson were separated at birth. 934 00:50:10.369 --> 00:50:13.690 Right, they were twins. Nobody knew it. 935 00:50:14.929 --> 00:50:17.349 Nobody knew it, but they were twins separated at birth. 936 00:50:17.409 --> 00:50:21.739 Well, Hal knew because he brought them together unwillingly. You're 937 00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:23.440 the adopted parent. 938 00:50:24.139 --> 00:50:25.719 Yes, the Hal 9000 knows. 939 00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:27.820 Oh, man, there you go. 940 00:50:27.860 --> 00:50:32.260 See? Yeah, I got to work with Pierre Delay. He 941 00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:35.510 was fun. That was an interesting moment. I'm doing the 942 00:50:35.550 --> 00:50:39.590 HAL 9000. I'm standing in a studio in Los Angeles. 943 00:50:39.690 --> 00:50:45.090 Cure Delay is in New York. There's a client in Dallas, Texas. 944 00:50:45.329 --> 00:50:49.309 And there's an agency in Chicago, Illinois. And we're all 945 00:50:49.610 --> 00:50:52.369 satellite hooked up. So we're all in the same room 946 00:50:52.409 --> 00:50:55.929 at the same time. And this was like 1988 or something. 947 00:50:56.010 --> 00:50:58.590 And I'm going, oh, my God, this is the future. 948 00:50:58.869 --> 00:51:01.329 This is where it's all right. And it did. 949 00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:03.679 How crazy is that? I didn't think that was 88. 950 00:51:03.679 --> 00:51:06.500 How crazy to be working on Hal 9000 as you 951 00:51:06.940 --> 00:51:08.099 evolve into the future. 952 00:51:08.579 --> 00:51:11.239 Right, at the same time. The symbolism there is just, 953 00:51:11.800 --> 00:51:12.550 you know. 954 00:51:12.590 --> 00:51:13.809 It's not lost on me. 955 00:51:13.829 --> 00:51:14.929 No, apparently not. 956 00:51:16.170 --> 00:51:19.510 The fun part was Kier kept getting confused on, they're 957 00:51:19.550 --> 00:51:22.349 talking to me as Hal, and then he's going, yeah, 958 00:51:22.369 --> 00:51:25.469 but so who's doing Hal? Hal's doing Hal. I know 959 00:51:25.929 --> 00:51:28.960 Hal is Hal. And then I had to go, I'm sorry, Dave. 960 00:51:29.420 --> 00:51:32.659 I am Hal. Oh, wow. Okay, I get it now. 961 00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:34.559 It's like, who's on first? 962 00:51:35.530 --> 00:51:37.730

Exactly, you know. He had to go, oh, his name 963 00:51:37.789 --> 00:51:41.610 is Hal, and he's doing Hal. Okay, well, that was confusing. 964 00:51:43.130 --> 00:51:45.940 That's where somebody's a smack on the back of the head. Like, hey, 965 00:51:46.059 --> 00:51:48.050 you got what's going on now? We got it. 966 00:51:48.349 --> 00:51:50.949 You know, but here's what I have in my book 967 00:51:51.110 --> 00:51:54.650 as one of the things I'd like to close with. Yes. 968 00:51:55.070 --> 00:51:57.730 If there is anything on this planet that you can 969 00:51:57.789 --> 00:52:02.090 do other than this, do it. Because you will be 970 00:52:02.170 --> 00:52:05.809 frustrated and you will hear no all the time. But 971 00:52:06.250 --> 00:52:09.750 if it's your passion, if it's your dream, if it's 972 00:52:09.869 --> 00:52:13.889 what you feel like you are, hey, I understand that. 973 00:52:14.059 --> 00:52:16.710 That's why I do what I do. So don't let 974 00:52:16.809 --> 00:52:20.449 anything stop you. And don't let anyone tell you something. 975 00:52:20.789 --> 00:52:24.760 You have to discover for yourself the full limit of 976 00:52:24.900 --> 00:52:28.559 what your talents can take you and where they can 977 00:52:28.619 --> 00:52:31.659 take you. Because as you believe, so shall others. If 978 00:52:31.699 --> 00:52:35.500 you don't believe, if you're hesitant, everyone will be hesitant 979 00:52:35.579 --> 00:52:38.869 about hiring you. You have to do the work. It's 980 00:52:38.949 --> 00:52:42.050 not an easy thing. There's nobody born with a great 981 00:52:42.130 --> 00:52:46.860 voice who can't cold read and makes a living doing 982 00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:50.730 this thing. You have to be able to sit down, 983 00:52:50.829 --> 00:52:53.500 pick up the words, I have a deal in my 984 00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:56.340 book on how to orchestrate copy when you only have 985 00:52:56.380 --> 00:52:58.219 a few moments to look it over so you can 986 00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:00.260 hit where you want to take a breath, where you 987 00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:03.309 want to put some elasticity, where you want to put 988 00:53:03.329 --> 00:53:06.070 a full pause, a partial pause, and whether you want 989 00:53:06.090 --> 00:53:08.349 to come up at the end of the sentence or down. 990 00:53:08.590 --> 00:53:12.090 All of these things are available in a pre-life orchestration. 991 00:53:12.389 --> 00:53:15.570 It will be in my book. But everything else depends 992 00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:19.179 on you. It's just like picking up a guitar and saying, well, 993 00:53:19.219 --> 00:53:23.329 here's the chords. Now you need to practice. Nobody's going 994 00:53:23.349 --> 00:53:26.130 to do it for you. You have to learn the chords. 995 00:53:26.170 --> 00:53:29.650 You have to toughen your fingers. You have to educate 996 00:53:29.690 --> 00:53:34.389 your voice, your chest, your head, your instrument. You have 997 00:53:34.469 --> 00:53:38.110 to learn what you can do and what you can't do. 998 00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:41.539 Find your strong points, and then you will never have 999 00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:45.420 to illuminate your weak points by not having an awareness 1000 00:53:45.500 --> 00:53:49.280 of them. If you can find your weakest points, then never, 1001 00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:54.059 ever use those as anything that you audition with. Steer 1002 00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:57.559 around those. Steer only to your primary points. And you 1003 00:53:57.679 --> 00:54:01.340 only know that by failing. So you have to fail. 1004 00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:06.019 Don't let it stop you. Failing is how you educate 1005 00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:11.900 what works and what doesn't work for you personally. And again, 1006 00:54:12.420 --> 00:54:17.360 it's nothing personal, but it's a personality business. So good 1007 00:54:17.429 --> 00:54:18.070 luck with that. 1008 00:54:18.590 --> 00:54:19.090 Here you go. 1009 00:54:19.349 --> 00:54:22.110 You know, they went another way. Right. You can't win. 1010 00:54:22.210 --> 00:54:25.590 You cannot win every job, but you can win all 1011 00:54:25.650 --> 00:54:28.340 the jobs that you're right for. If you can learn 1012 00:54:28.389 --> 00:54:31.539 how to be facile with your voice and use it 1013 00:54:31.579 --> 00:54:36.340 to conform and fit people of different persuasions, different, I 1014 00:54:36.380 --> 00:54:40.219 want to say, walks of life. Everything from shirtless and 1015 00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:42.760 pugilistic to top hat and tails. 1016 00:54:44.699 --> 00:54:47.760 There's a description right there on both ends. That's pretty awesome. 1017 00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:47.989 Yeah. 1018 00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:50.119 I'd have to imagine you have an audio version of 1019 00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:51.820 this book eventually, too. Right, Hal? 1020 00:54:52.110 --> 00:54:53.710 Well, that's what it is. I had to do it 1021 00:54:53.789 --> 00:54:56.090 all as audio because, you know, you're not going to 1022 00:54:56.150 --> 00:54:58.550 pick up my demonstrations of how. 1023 00:54:58.369 --> 00:55:00.130 To do through reading. 1024 00:55:00.349 --> 00:55:03.780 Yeah, do it. And I mean, you can have that because, again, 1025 00:55:03.820 --> 00:55:06.539 it's D-Walk, different ways of knowing. Some people are listeners 1026 00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:09.559 and they gather their information. Some people are book people. 1027 00:55:10.300 --> 00:55:14.030 And really follow what the book says. The book and 1028 00:55:14.050 --> 00:55:17.889 the audio go together. You can listen to the audio 1029 00:55:17.949 --> 00:55:20.969 in your car and you can use the book for 1030 00:55:21.070 --> 00:55:24.909 reference on how to build different demos or different things 1031 00:55:24.969 --> 00:55:28.289 like that. And I broke the book up so that 1032 00:55:28.329 --> 00:55:32.400 you can get to individual parts very easily without having 1033 00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:35.039 to

wander through 11 minutes to get to the point 1034 00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:35.559 you want. 1035 00:55:35.960 --> 00:55:39.119 Everybody listening, make sure you said January roughly is the, uh, 1036 00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:39.659 the launch. 1037 00:55:39.699 --> 00:55:43.659 Yeah. It's called, uh, aiming for Hollywood by Hal rail. 1038 00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:45.159 Make sure you let me know about it. Cause I'll 1039 00:55:45.179 --> 00:55:48.139 definitely promote it on here. And you know, any links 1040 00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:49.949 I could, you know, put out there once it comes out, 1041 00:55:49.989 --> 00:55:52.849 I'm definitely, definitely up for doing, uh, how it's been 1042 00:55:52.889 --> 00:55:54.730 an honor, uh, talking with you, let, let people know 1043 00:55:54.750 --> 00:55:57.369 how they could follow you on, if you're on Instagram 1044 00:55:57.409 --> 00:55:59.469 or Facebook or anything, or you have a website you 1045 00:55:59.489 --> 00:56:01.409 want to throw out there for, uh, go. 1046 00:56:01.309 --> 00:56:04.699 To how rail on, you can go to how rail, uh, 1047 00:56:05.309 --> 00:56:10.610 online and you can find my website. I'm also audio rnr.com. 1048 00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:15.260 So how rail.com audio rnr.com. That's my studio that we 1049 00:56:15.300 --> 00:56:18.019 do things through. Uh, you can go to Maggie Roswell, 1050 00:56:18.059 --> 00:56:21.139 my wife, she's on the Simpsons. You can check her out. 1051 00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:23.800 I have my book coming out. I have my stories 1052 00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:27.440 coming out. I just finished a pilot for a, a, um, 1053 00:56:27.780 --> 00:56:31.969 a new, uh, series called not quite dead. I can't 1054 00:56:32.030 --> 00:56:33.849 tell you more about it or I'd have to hunt 1055 00:56:33.869 --> 00:56:34.190 you down. 1056 00:56:35.309 --> 00:56:37.050 I got a few more years. I want to do hell. 1057 00:56:37.590 --> 00:56:39.789 All right. I don't want to hunt you down, but 1058 00:56:39.849 --> 00:56:42.010 I am a predator. I just letting you know. 1059 00:56:42.210 --> 00:56:43.170 You already did the voice. 1060 00:56:43.190 --> 00:56:45.809 I'm fully equipped to be able to do that. Should 1061 00:56:45.829 --> 00:56:46.590 the need arise. 1062 00:56:46.630 --> 00:56:48.929 And I'm no Danny Glover. So I cannot fight back. 1063 00:56:49.030 --> 00:56:53.420 I am done. By the way, I don't want to overlook. 1064 00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:55.599 You just said your wife works on the Simpsons. That's, 1065 00:56:55.820 --> 00:56:58.019 that's like a whole nother episode, but that's awesome by 1066 00:56:58.059 --> 00:56:58.300 the way. 1067 00:56:58.460 --> 00:57:01.869 So yeah. No, it's fun. We our daughter says it's 1068 00:57:01.909 --> 00:57:04.809 like whose line is it anyway? 24 seven. 1069 00:57:05.769 --> 00:57:08.329 Does she have any voice acting chops or is she 1070 00:57:08.469 --> 00:57:08.789 into this? 1071 00:57:08.909 --> 00:57:11.940 Oh, yeah, she does. But she does. But she's decided 1072 00:57:12.019 --> 00:57:16.539 she's going to be. Well, she she works for Comcast 1073 00:57:16.639 --> 00:57:19.679 and she oversees a variety of people and she's in 1074 00:57:19.780 --> 00:57:22.579 logistics and things. And I see a better future for 1075 00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:24.380 her there than in what I do. 1076 00:57:24.500 --> 00:57:26.920 There you go. There you go. Much, much easier than 1077 00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:29.599 having to deal with so many constant no's like you've 1078 00:57:29.619 --> 00:57:30.480 talked about earlier. 1079 00:57:30.980 --> 00:57:35.079 Well, you know, you exchange problems, but it's all reality. 1080 00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:35.679 Well, there you go. 1081 00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:35.900 Right. 1082 00:57:35.940 --> 00:57:38.780 They're lateral problems. They're just over here instead of over there. 1083 00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:42.260 Exactly. It's always greener on the other side until you 1084 00:57:42.300 --> 00:57:42.599 mow it. 1085 00:57:42.780 --> 00:57:42.980 No. 1086 00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:44.909 Yeah. Then you find out that a dog was there. 1087 00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:46.550 I don't like this grass so much. 1088 00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:48.809 Wear that to the prom. 1089 00:57:48.849 --> 00:57:51.349 Snarl was over here and I got to move to 1090 00:57:51.369 --> 00:57:52.010 the other lawn. 1091 00:57:52.030 --> 00:57:53.610 Snarl drop load. 1092 00:57:55.860 --> 00:57:58.400 Man, this is such an honor. Hal Rail, everybody, make 1093 00:57:58.420 --> 00:58:00.320 sure you follow him. Check out his website. Look for 1094 00:58:00.340 --> 00:58:03.409 the book and the audio book and everything else. And man, 1095 00:58:03.449 --> 00:58:05.929 just so much fun hearing you just do shrapnel and 1096 00:58:05.949 --> 00:58:08.449 all these voices on the spot. Just amazing, man. 1097 00:58:08.610 --> 00:58:12.469 Hey, remember, aiming for Hollywood is like aiming for the moon. 1098 00:58:12.829 --> 00:58:15.800 Even if you miss, you land among the stars. 1099 00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:16.440 There you go. 1100 00:58:16.460 --> 00:58:20.000 So be celestial. Be celestial. Be one of the stars 1101 00:58:20.059 --> 00:58:23.400 of your area. Okay? Everyone out there, I love you. 1102 00:58:23.659 --> 00:58:27.300 I believe in you. And God bless y'all. All right. 1103 00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:30.260 Thanks so much. That's Hal Rail, everybody. Make sure you 1104 00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:32.650 follow him online and check out all the work that 1105 00:58:32.670 --> 00:58:35.130 he's done in the past and in the future coming up. 1106 00:58:35.309 --> 00:58:36.769 Thanks so much, Hal. I appreciate it, man. 1107 00:58:36.949 --> 00:58:38.510 All right. Be well. Thanks, everybody. 1108 00:58:38.650 --> 00:58:39.190 Hey, y'all. 1109 00:58:39.210 --> 00:58:41.730 It's Lou Temple, Axel from The Walking Dead, and you're 1110 00:58:41.789 --> 00:58:46.289 listening to the Infinite Banter

Podcast. Keep listening. You follow me? 1111 00:58:48.730 --> 00:58:50.630 Big up to Hal Rail for coming on the show. 1112 00:58:50.969 --> 00:58:53.449 You guys have no idea, maybe some of you listening, 1113 00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:57.429 do now after hearing talking with him but hearing him 1114 00:58:57.469 --> 00:59:00.210 just do like the miss piggy voice and the predator 1115 00:59:00.309 --> 00:59:04.050 effects you know whatever uh man it's just you know 1116 00:59:04.110 --> 00:59:05.750 i'm just like a kid all over again it's just 1117 00:59:06.190 --> 00:59:08.039 like i said in the interview i get to be 1118 00:59:08.099 --> 00:59:10.199 quiet you do this all day you go ahead and 1119 00:59:10.219 --> 00:59:12.530 do your voices I'll just sit here and I won't 1120 00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:15.230 I won't talk because I just want to hear him 1121 00:59:15.269 --> 00:59:18.309 do voices and there's like so many you know animated 1122 00:59:18.369 --> 00:59:20.530 voices that he's known for that didn't even come up 1123 00:59:20.789 --> 00:59:22.349 in that interview so make sure you guys go check 1124 00:59:22.389 --> 00:59:25.769 him out go to his website hellrail.com and look for 1125 00:59:25.809 --> 00:59:27.909 his book that he said is coming out in January 1126 00:59:28.309 --> 00:59:30.659 those who are interested in voice training or just want 1127 00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:33.019 to see about you know what what it takes to 1128 00:59:33.059 --> 00:59:36.320 be in the business that he's in really cool some 1129 00:59:36.340 --> 00:59:39.159 of the genesis of that was before the Transformer movie 1130 00:59:39.179 --> 00:59:42.039 was re-released I started looking up the cast and I 1131 00:59:42.039 --> 00:59:43.599 was thinking he even said it how some of them 1132 00:59:43.619 --> 00:59:45.900 have passed and I was thinking like who could I 1133 00:59:46.139 --> 00:59:48.320 maybe talk to on here and As I was going 1134 00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:50.679 down the line, you know, it was harder and harder 1135 00:59:50.699 --> 00:59:53.559 to find anybody that was still around. And his name 1136 00:59:53.599 --> 00:59:55.980 popped up. He did the voice for Shrapnel, one of 1137 00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:58.880 the Insecticons. And I started to think like, oh man, 1138 00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:01.329 maybe he would, maybe he'd be free. So, you know, 1139 01:00:01.550 --> 01:00:03.309 messaged me back and here he was. So it was 1140 01:00:03.329 --> 01:00:05.670 really cool to talk with him and make sure you guys, 1141 01:00:05.690 --> 01:00:07.650 you know, check him out on his website and check 1142 01:00:07.670 --> 01:00:09.409 out his book when it comes out and feel free 1143 01:00:09.429 --> 01:00:10.829 to go on YouTube and hear all this stuff he's 1144 01:00:10.909 --> 01:00:11.789 voiced over the years. 1145 01:00:11.809 --> 01:00:12.380 Really cool. 1146 01:00:12.820 --> 01:00:15.179 Chatting it up with mr hal rail so thanks again 1147 01:00:15.219 --> 01:00:18.570 to hal rail check him out at halrail.com and let's 1148 01:00:18.610 --> 01:00:20.219 go ahead and wrap up the episode where i talk 1149 01:00:20.260 --> 01:00:22.630 about the movie obsession and i talk about a ghost 1150 01:00:22.710 --> 01:00:25.469 tour i did about 12 years ago here on the 1151 01:00:25.550 --> 01:00:29.590 infinite banter podcast hey guys this is russ russo you're 1152 01:00:29.610 --> 01:00:33.289 checking out infinite banter with mark it's time for you 1153 01:00:33.329 --> 01:00:35.989 to leave assholes that is kirk asavedo telling me to 1154 01:00:36.030 --> 01:00:37.769 get out of here that's exactly what i'm going to 1155 01:00:37.809 --> 01:00:39.869 do but as usual You know, I'm trying to slam 1156 01:00:39.889 --> 01:00:41.389 the door on you, put my foot in the door. 1157 01:00:41.630 --> 01:00:43.050 Give me a couple more minutes because I got some 1158 01:00:43.070 --> 01:00:44.849 stuff to talk about. A couple of things I wanted 1159 01:00:44.869 --> 01:00:47.269 to bring up before the show ends. So like I said, 1160 01:00:47.329 --> 01:00:49.750 when I was talking to Tommy McLaughlin on the last episode, 1161 01:00:50.010 --> 01:00:51.929 it reminded me of like back in like, I think 1162 01:00:51.969 --> 01:00:54.920 it was 2014. I did one of these, I don't 1163 01:00:54.940 --> 01:00:56.960 know if every city has these. I know Chicago does, 1164 01:00:57.219 --> 01:00:59.219 where you can, you know, go like on a mafia 1165 01:00:59.260 --> 01:01:00.539 tour where you go on a bus and they take 1166 01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:02.420 you to different points in the city. And like, this 1167 01:01:02.460 --> 01:01:04.639 is where Al Capone did whatever. And this is where 1168 01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:06.820 so-and-so did this. I never did that tour, but I 1169 01:01:06.860 --> 01:01:08.719 did do the, I can't remember what it was called. 1170 01:01:08.739 --> 01:01:10.840 I think it was like a ghost tour where like 1171 01:01:11.239 --> 01:01:15.019 something tragic happened. And like the ghosts of that tragedy, 1172 01:01:15.380 --> 01:01:17.949 you could feel it somehow or the orb was there, 1173 01:01:17.969 --> 01:01:19.780 you know, whatever the aura, whatever you want to call it. 1174 01:01:20.050 --> 01:01:21.590 And it was really cool, man. We got on this 1175 01:01:21.670 --> 01:01:23.929 bus and it took you to like 10 different spots 1176 01:01:23.949 --> 01:01:27.030 throughout the city. A lot of it downtown. A couple 1177 01:01:27.050 --> 01:01:30.730 that I remember was the one near the Chicago theater. 1178 01:01:31.090 --> 01:01:34.469 There's like an alley over there. I believe it's on Wabash. 1179 01:01:34.789 --> 01:01:36.570 And you go down the alley and there was a 1180 01:01:36.650 --> 01:01:38.489 theater there where I guess there was a big fire 1181 01:01:38.530 --> 01:01:41.750 and a lot of people, you know, obviously perished. And 1182 01:01:41.789 --> 01:01:44.150 I

guess you could feel the, you know, I'm not 1183 01:01:44.210 --> 01:01:46.429 one of these that necessarily believes in all this stuff, 1184 01:01:46.510 --> 01:01:48.869 but it was definitely eerie. And I remember the tour 1185 01:01:48.909 --> 01:01:50.489 guide saying, oh, take pictures here. You might see an 1186 01:01:50.590 --> 01:01:52.670 orb or something. And I remember we went to like 1187 01:01:52.690 --> 01:01:55.760 the lakefronts and the river area and there was something there. 1188 01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:57.539 And then next thing you know, we're at a hotel 1189 01:01:57.639 --> 01:02:00.760 and supposedly some crazy thing happened there. Again, this is 1190 01:02:00.780 --> 01:02:02.679 over 10 years ago, so I don't remember all these stories. 1191 01:02:03.269 --> 01:02:05.610 somebody out there probably knows, oh yeah, that's where so-and-so got, 1192 01:02:05.849 --> 01:02:08.260 you know, shots or whatever. And his ghost is there. 1193 01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:11.380 I don't know. All this is brand new to me. 1194 01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:14.400 I knew none of it. And obviously over 10 years later, 1195 01:02:14.420 --> 01:02:16.780 I didn't retain a lot of that information. So, but 1196 01:02:17.010 --> 01:02:19.849 I would recommend it. Anybody's out there looking to just 1197 01:02:19.889 --> 01:02:22.110 know the history of your city. If they offer something 1198 01:02:22.130 --> 01:02:24.429 like this, just go on and just to learn things, 1199 01:02:24.469 --> 01:02:27.269 let alone whether you believe in spirits or whatever, that's 1200 01:02:27.329 --> 01:02:29.300 up to you. But as far as just learning, like, 1201 01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:32.360 tragedies or the history of something like what happened in 1202 01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:35.760 this spot you know 50 100 years ago that's cool 1203 01:02:35.780 --> 01:02:37.699 i'm more of a history person than i am into 1204 01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:40.800 uh the psychology of like spirits and stuff but i 1205 01:02:40.840 --> 01:02:43.050 can see how that would move you because if i 1206 01:02:43.090 --> 01:02:44.650 was a movie maker maybe i want to make a 1207 01:02:44.690 --> 01:02:47.510 movie about one of those events the way tommy went 1208 01:02:47.570 --> 01:02:49.250 to a catacomb and the next thing you know he 1209 01:02:49.269 --> 01:02:51.070 wants to do one dark night it's not exactly an 1210 01:02:51.090 --> 01:02:54.090 a to b line connecting but you know those seeds 1211 01:02:54.130 --> 01:02:56.079 are planted so i thought it was really cool and 1212 01:02:56.119 --> 01:02:57.739 it made me think of that so i might one 1213 01:02:57.760 --> 01:02:59.760 day go on another one of these tours and It'd 1214 01:02:59.780 --> 01:03:01.639 be kind of cool to do that. They just opened 1215 01:03:01.659 --> 01:03:04.400 here in Chicago. There's like a serial killer exhibit. I'm 1216 01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:06.079 not into that stuff, but I saw it on the 1217 01:03:06.139 --> 01:03:07.579 news the other night. I was like, I don't know. 1218 01:03:07.619 --> 01:03:09.900 Maybe that'd be kind of cool to check out. Maybe not. 1219 01:03:10.070 --> 01:03:12.550 I'm not sure. I don't know how close I want 1220 01:03:12.570 --> 01:03:14.929 to get to that. But I definitely considered it. I'm 1221 01:03:15.130 --> 01:03:17.210 thinking about it. If I ever do, I'll talk about 1222 01:03:17.230 --> 01:03:19.210 it on the podcast here. Before I get out of here, 1223 01:03:19.230 --> 01:03:20.829 I do want to talk about the movie Obsession. I'm 1224 01:03:20.869 --> 01:03:22.050 not going to say a whole lot about it because 1225 01:03:22.070 --> 01:03:24.139 I don't want to ruin it for anybody. But I 1226 01:03:24.179 --> 01:03:26.679 did watch it. It's on Peacock. So if you are interested, 1227 01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:29.539 you've never seen it. It's a newer movie. It came out, 1228 01:03:29.559 --> 01:03:33.059 I think, in the spring. And, you know, after, again, 1229 01:03:33.139 --> 01:03:34.960 Tommy McLaughlin talked about it, so it made me want 1230 01:03:34.980 --> 01:03:38.559 to watch it. And I will say a couple things 1231 01:03:38.619 --> 01:03:41.019 about it. And again, if you don't want spoilers, you know, 1232 01:03:41.460 --> 01:03:43.119 fast forward, just like I did with the Crystal Lake thing. 1233 01:03:43.380 --> 01:03:46.360 So I like the movie. It definitely brought something to 1234 01:03:46.380 --> 01:03:48.340 the table that you don't see in movies all the time. 1235 01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:50.980 A couple gripes I had with it, and I had 1236 01:03:51.039 --> 01:03:53.579 mentioned this to my guy DJ Real One, because he's 1237 01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:55.380 the one who was kind of pushing me to watch 1238 01:03:55.400 --> 01:03:58.800 it as well, was that it was just... shot so dark, 1239 01:03:58.900 --> 01:04:01.579 like you couldn't see the characters. And I was reading 1240 01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:04.719 online and some people were like, oh, just turn up your, no, 1241 01:04:04.780 --> 01:04:07.309 I don't. That's like me listening to like a radio 1242 01:04:07.369 --> 01:04:09.630 edit of a song. I don't want to hear or 1243 01:04:09.690 --> 01:04:13.230 watch something manipulated by me to make it easier for me. 1244 01:04:13.489 --> 01:04:15.429 If this is how the filmmakers want me to watch this, 1245 01:04:15.690 --> 01:04:17.489 then damn it, I'm going to watch it in the dark. 1246 01:04:18.889 --> 01:04:21.949 If I can't see these people, if that's intentional, so 1247 01:04:22.010 --> 01:04:23.670 be it. I'm not messing with the tone and the 1248 01:04:23.710 --> 01:04:26.150 contrast just to make it easier for me. but then 1249 01:04:26.190 --> 01:04:29.670 I lose the feeling that the film director or whoever 1250 01:04:30.030 --> 01:04:33.409 decided to make it pitch black. They lose that effect 1251 01:04:33.449 --> 01:04:36.539 because I'm complaining about it. So I'm complaining about

it, 1252 01:04:36.710 --> 01:04:38.530 but I still watched it, and I watched it the 1253 01:04:38.570 --> 01:04:40.170 way that it was made, and I'm not going to 1254 01:04:40.190 --> 01:04:44.289 adjust my TV set just to make myself happy. This 1255 01:04:44.329 --> 01:04:45.750 is how they want me to see it? They want 1256 01:04:45.789 --> 01:04:47.070 me to look at something and not know what I'm 1257 01:04:47.090 --> 01:04:48.860 looking at? Then damn it, that's what I'm going to do. 1258 01:04:49.219 --> 01:04:51.989 So that was my main complaint with this movie. I 1259 01:04:52.030 --> 01:04:55.090 remember when the guy's obsessed with this girl, Nikki, I 1260 01:04:55.110 --> 01:04:57.030 remember thinking, like, is she even attractive? I can't even 1261 01:04:57.070 --> 01:04:59.289 see what she looks like. She's dark the whole time. 1262 01:04:59.329 --> 01:05:02.219 I don't even know what she looks like. What's the obsession? 1263 01:05:02.639 --> 01:05:04.699 I can't even see her. There's a couple scenes in 1264 01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:08.320 this movie that really stuck with me. Again, if you 1265 01:05:08.420 --> 01:05:10.860 don't want spoilers. There's the one where there's the other 1266 01:05:10.900 --> 01:05:12.659 girl who I guess kind of liked the guy who 1267 01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:15.070 made the wish to get this Nikki girl to be 1268 01:05:15.110 --> 01:05:17.050 obsessed with him. But there's some other girl who I 1269 01:05:17.070 --> 01:05:19.210 guess kind of liked him. He didn't know about it. 1270 01:05:19.210 --> 01:05:20.869 And he went to go meet her somewhere just to talk. 1271 01:05:21.489 --> 01:05:26.489 And the Nikki person... who's obsessed and possessed. She's like 1272 01:05:26.530 --> 01:05:29.460 the devil basically at this point. She's a nut. She 1273 01:05:29.500 --> 01:05:31.719 throws like a brick through the window of the driver's 1274 01:05:31.739 --> 01:05:35.860 side where the girl was driving and puts the brick 1275 01:05:35.940 --> 01:05:38.139 on the steering wheel and just starts smashing her head 1276 01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:40.739 into it like it's a turnbuckle at least 10 times 1277 01:05:40.880 --> 01:05:43.239 and it's gruesome stuff. I don't think you want it 1278 01:05:43.260 --> 01:05:44.619 to be well lit for that because I think that 1279 01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:47.320 would be too much to watch. I will say the 1280 01:05:47.460 --> 01:05:49.780 one thing about the darkness that really worked is when 1281 01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:51.599 they showed there's a scene where she's just kind of 1282 01:05:51.699 --> 01:05:54.659 standing there the Nikki character that is in the room 1283 01:05:54.739 --> 01:05:57.699 of the house, this guy's house that she was obsessed with. 1284 01:05:57.960 --> 01:06:01.309 Apparently she moved in, and she's standing as a silhouette 1285 01:06:01.469 --> 01:06:04.269 off to the side. It's very creepy, and that's when 1286 01:06:04.309 --> 01:06:06.469 I realized, okay, I get what they're doing with the lighting. 1287 01:06:06.889 --> 01:06:09.050 I just wish it wasn't 99% of the movie, but 1288 01:06:09.309 --> 01:06:11.570 I get it. This is the payoff. This is why 1289 01:06:11.590 --> 01:06:15.030 you got that dark setting so much in this movie. 1290 01:06:15.429 --> 01:06:17.050 Now I got it. Now I got it. You know, 1291 01:06:17.070 --> 01:06:18.489 I'm sitting there thinking like, you know, what would I 1292 01:06:18.530 --> 01:06:20.909 have done if I was in this situation? Would I 1293 01:06:21.010 --> 01:06:23.389 wish for some girl to be obsessed with me? Not 1294 01:06:23.449 --> 01:06:26.780 at 51, but maybe at 22 I would have. I 1295 01:06:26.820 --> 01:06:30.050 don't know. How old are these people in this movie? 1296 01:06:30.389 --> 01:06:32.960 And then the one guy wished for a billion dollars, 1297 01:06:33.400 --> 01:06:35.119 which obviously didn't save him because he didn't live very 1298 01:06:35.159 --> 01:06:38.800 long after he got his money. Yeah, it's just kind 1299 01:06:38.840 --> 01:06:42.659 of weird. It's like once the chick realizes that, because 1300 01:06:42.800 --> 01:06:45.500 it's funny because the actress, and Tommy had pointed this out, 1301 01:06:45.940 --> 01:06:47.719 She's kind of playing two people at the same time. 1302 01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:51.539 She's playing this possessed person, but she's also kind of 1303 01:06:51.739 --> 01:06:53.940 playing herself trying to get out of it. There's like 1304 01:06:53.980 --> 01:06:57.000 little hints of her knowing that this is happening to her. 1305 01:06:57.340 --> 01:06:58.960 So that's pretty cool that she was able to do that. 1306 01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:01.699 So shout out to the actress that plays her. Really, 1307 01:07:01.820 --> 01:07:04.119 really good work. That's just crazy. I'm sure she'll be 1308 01:07:04.139 --> 01:07:06.980 in other movies now after that. Definitely amazing how she's 1309 01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:09.320 able to pull that off. It's like playing two characters 1310 01:07:09.340 --> 01:07:13.269 at once. Kind of like Sinners. But the person is 1311 01:07:13.329 --> 01:07:16.369 in the person, like the exorcist kind of thing. But yeah, 1312 01:07:16.409 --> 01:07:19.010 she was amazing. Like I said, the lighting is the 1313 01:07:19.050 --> 01:07:20.900 only thing that kind of threw me off. I was like, eh, 1314 01:07:20.949 --> 01:07:23.110 it's a little too dark. The only time I watched 1315 01:07:23.170 --> 01:07:25.829 a movie where the way it was made took me 1316 01:07:25.889 --> 01:07:28.449 away from the actual movie was Blair Witch Project. I 1317 01:07:28.449 --> 01:07:30.210 remember sitting in a movie theater watching that. I'm like, 1318 01:07:30.309 --> 01:07:33.429 I'm getting motion sickness watching this. There's too much jumping 1319 01:07:33.469 --> 01:07:37.500 around and this camera's not steady. It's annoying. It's making 1320 01:07:37.519 --> 01:07:40.579 me

not feel good. I don't feel right watching this. 1321 01:07:41.449 --> 01:07:45.570 I need a drink or something to balance out this 1322 01:07:46.070 --> 01:07:48.199 feeling like I'm on a boat or something. It was 1323 01:07:48.219 --> 01:07:51.119 this very weird feeling. This movie kind of had that, 1324 01:07:51.380 --> 01:07:52.460 where I was just like the whole time, like, what 1325 01:07:52.500 --> 01:07:54.380 am I looking at? What am I seeing? I know 1326 01:07:54.400 --> 01:07:56.519 I'm harping on this way too much. Bottom line is, 1327 01:07:56.539 --> 01:07:59.079 go see the movie. It's very good. It's like a 1328 01:07:59.159 --> 01:08:01.590 newer horror film. Some of these new ones I don't 1329 01:08:01.650 --> 01:08:03.809 watch all the time. I'm more of a slasher, old 1330 01:08:03.849 --> 01:08:05.889 school guy. But when one of these crosses my path, 1331 01:08:05.929 --> 01:08:07.789 I'll definitely watch it, check it out, especially if people 1332 01:08:07.849 --> 01:08:10.750 say hey, go check it out. So go check out Obsession. 1333 01:08:11.010 --> 01:08:12.949 I like it a lot. Is it a movie that 1334 01:08:12.989 --> 01:08:15.199 I would say is something I'd be watching every year 1335 01:08:15.219 --> 01:08:19.340 around this time, Halloween era, Halloween time? Probably not, but 1336 01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:21.619 I definitely dug it, and I thought that was a 1337 01:08:21.619 --> 01:08:24.699 really cool concept. Just, you know, get the lighting a 1338 01:08:24.739 --> 01:08:27.840 little bit different. Some of the scenes. All right. That's 1339 01:08:27.920 --> 01:08:30.560 it for me. The Infinite Banter Podcast. Find it on 1340 01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:33.500 all platforms. Rate and review it. Go to YouTube. Type 1341 01:08:33.539 --> 01:08:36.739 in Infinite Banter for clips from past guests and full shows. 1342 01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:40.800 And check out our sponsor, Super7. com slash Infinite Banter Podcast. 1343 01:08:40.859 --> 01:08:44.119 And follow the show. on all social media at Infinite 1344 01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:46.649 Banter Podcast. All right, go out there and vote. I'm 1345 01:08:46.689 --> 01:08:49.329 recording this the day before Election Day. Go ahead and 1346 01:08:49.350 --> 01:08:52.550 celebrate Halloween if you still want to. Get your pumpkin, coffee, whatever. 1347 01:08:52.770 --> 01:08:55.310 Go watch, you know, Friday the 13th or Halloween or 1348 01:08:55.350 --> 01:08:57.970 whatever you want to watch. Do not, I repeat, you 1349 01:08:58.010 --> 01:08:59.970 do not have to watch Home Alone or Christmas Live. 1350 01:09:00.569 --> 01:09:04.359 just because the calendar changed. Go do your thing. Do 1351 01:09:04.380 --> 01:09:06.500 what I do. I watch it all year. I don't care. 1352 01:09:06.520 --> 01:09:08.479 I don't need a calendar to tell me when I 1353 01:09:08.500 --> 01:09:10.939 go watch a Jason movie. But definitely go out there 1354 01:09:10.960 --> 01:09:15.699 and vote. Hopefully you vote the right way. Don't screw 1355 01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:16.979 it up this time, guys. 1356 01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:17.640 Ugh. 1357 01:09:18.329 --> 01:09:20.609 All right, big up to Hal Rail. Go check him 1358 01:09:20.689 --> 01:09:24.319 out online. Check out his website, halrail.com. Until I do 1359 01:09:24.359 --> 01:09:26.739 another one of these, go ahead and watch one more 1360 01:09:26.779 --> 01:09:29.340 horror movie and drink some more pumpkin coffee before they 1361 01:09:29.380 --> 01:09:32.270 shut it all down for peppermint coffee. I'm out. 1362 01:09:32.390 --> 01:09:33.770 Hey, asshole, get off the road. 1363 01:09:35.149 --> 01:09:35.949 Shut up now, right. 1364 01:09:37.289 --> 01:09:37.510 Now. 1365 01:09:37.529 --> 01:09:39.069 My name Insecticon to come. 1366 01:09:44.710 --> 01:09:48.109 Being on the Infinite Banner with my man Mark has 1367 01:09:48.170 --> 01:09:49.069 been a pleasure.