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Speaker 3: Hey.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Week nine Fantasy Collective Waivers Podcast presented by Prize Picks. I am your host, Chris Raybon, joined as always, but my dude, Sean Kerner, Sean, what's going on?
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Speaker 3: How was your week eate up?
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Speaker 1: It was? It was pretty good. A mixed bag when it comes to betting. I think I broke even, but man on Prize Picks, I absolutely crushed.
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Speaker 3: I went five and oh.
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Speaker 1: On our Friday pod, got nice little power play on that. I've been doing a lot more second half player props on Price Picks and just crushing it. So hopefully tonight for my football I can tweet out a second half play. But the DFS was a mixed bag. I had a lot of guys hit, but I got screwed by Jellen Hurts and Jamis Winston. I was too overweight on those guys, but overall good week, how about you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a really good week hic rebound week after I think I went like oh and three on I mean four on spreads and total. So this week I went I undefeated on spreads, I lost my total, but had a bunch of the top DFS plays on the slate pretty much at every position. Hurts not going off didn't kill me because my overall, like cash.
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Speaker 3: Mineup was pretty straight. But yeah, it was a pretty good week.
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Speaker 2: But some crazy, some crazy news as we record this, so let's we'll get into the waivers and the news in a second, but of course we always start with the Monday Night showdown slate for DFS. We have the Giants at the Chiefs as we record this, it looks like Kadarius Tony has to go through one more hurdle, but looks like he's going to play, and then during Shepherd looks like he's going to play as well. So Daniel Jones should have some weapons at his disposal against this Chiefs defense that has really struggled. Sean, who are you thinking for the captain spot in this matchup?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of good options in this game. But I'm gonna be pretty chalky here and say Tyreek Hill. I just think with the Chiefs, you know three and four, coming off an embarrassing loss, they're not going to mess around here. And I could see Tyreek or Kelsey having a huge game, and I'm going with Tyreek. I just think he has the higher ceiling. And yeah, he'll be my captain here, which means I'll have to be pretty sneaky with the wrest of the lineup.
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Speaker 3: But I'm going Tyreek because my captain I like Daniel Jones.
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Jones, with his weapons back, is going to kind of be forced to have a good game, kind of like for the reasons you say, you know the Chiefs should rebound here. A lot of their issues on offense have been correctable. I mean, they're turning the ball over twenty four percent of the time. I think Mahomes is gonna be a little more willing to dink and dunk in this game. So I think the receptions if you're playing in full PPR for a lot of the receivers.
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Speaker 3: Will go up. But that we know that's correlated, Like.
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Speaker 2: If if Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs are playing better on offense then not turning them b all over at a historic pace. That's only going to make Daniel Jones and the Giants offense have to keep up on the other side. So I like Jones with his weapons back, because especially in the captain spot, because you don't necessarily need to stack him as much as some other quarterbacks because he can always get that rushing production as well. So I like Jones for the Giants. What about cheat codes? Do you like a little cheaper to fill out the lineup?
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Speaker 1: So a few I like. I mean, obviously Kidarius Tony, he just has so much upside.
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Speaker 3: I think this injury might limit his rostership percentage.
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Speaker 1: I mean I expect them to be pretty chalky, but still like the fact that he's injured, should you know, lower his roster ship. We've seen him put up monster numbers and limited playing times, so I'm not going to hold back here.
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Speaker 3: I guess they had to.
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Speaker 1: They designed some wildcat plays for him, but he got hurt, so we might see Cadarius Tony pass passing touchdown like a Shepherd or Slayton, so that that could be fun for a Showdown slate. And as always, Nico Hardman is always a cheat code. You know, he's a good leverage play against Tyry Kill or Travis Kelcey, like you said, a player like him. You know, he's had a bit of a lower A dot this year, so I could see him getting you know, five to six touches here easily. I mean, he's always a threat to score from enter on the field. So I love Hardman. And then Darryl Williams. You know, he's another leverage play against the Chiefs passing game tonight, which should be popular obviously, but this could be a potential positive game script. And we saw him go off in Week six, you know, when they won thirty one to thirteen, so that was a positive game script. In the last week he struggled when they got blown by the Titans. So if you expect the Chiefs to win by ten plus tonight, Darrel Williams certainly makes sense. And again he's the leverage play against some of these past cutchers.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I really like Hardman.
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Speaker 2: I'll actually talk about him in our prize picks the lead entry segment.
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Speaker 3: But he is a player.
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Speaker 2: You mentioned his A it's around seven and a half yards beyond the line of scrimmage this year and all week. The talk has been Patrick Mahomes, I have to be better. I have to be willing to check it down more. Hardman's going to benefit from that, you know, as well as you know Hill and Kelsey, and maybe he'll even loses some of his big play upside like that. He could still catch ten balls, but you're gonna see I think just a lot of completions for Mahomes because he's still very a very accurate passer.
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Speaker 3: So I like Hardman a lot.
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Speaker 2: Elijah Penny is somebody just in that, like you know, pretty much mind price range to pay attention to. This is a pretty big spread game, even though I think it's probably too high.
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Speaker 3: You know, it could get out of hands one way or the other.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the Chiefs have had laid some egg the Giants have laid some eggs. So Penny has twelve carries, two targets, and a touchdown over his past two games, and he's kind of he used to be more of a fullback, but they have another fullback on the roster, Julapspia, So Penny's that backup tailback now. So that's always somebody to keep in mind. You know, if Booker, you know, running backs get hurt more than any other position. So if Booker were to go down and you have Penny, that could be a major win against his Chiefs run defense. And one more I'll mention is the Giants defense special teams, because I mean, the Giants held the Panthers at three points last week. The Chiefs scored three points last week. You know, like we all think the Chiefs are going to bounce back and they have this you know, they're favored by double digits. But I mean, he can't overlook the fact that the Chiefs have just been a high variance offense. They've turned the ball over so much that usually regresses. But you know, will it regress all the way to the mean or will they still still be one of the more turnover prone offenses. It's hard to say at this point. So I think the Giants' defense is going to be very overlooked in this spot, even though if you just kind of step back, it makes perfect sense.
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Speaker 1: Yep. I mean, I can't say I love the Elijah Penny play.
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Speaker 3: I mean, how could you?
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Speaker 1: But he's certainly the favorite for the Vulture touchdown of the Slate, right yeah. Oh, and it's it's pretty crazy how Yeah, they're using him as the number two back.
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Speaker 3: They haven't even given.
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Speaker 1: Gary rookie Gary Brightwell a touch in the past four games now, So yeah, Elijah Penny is the number two back and he is the favorite for the Vulture Touchdown of the night. So in that aspect, I do like the Penny call. It's been a vulturous couple of weeks too.
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Speaker 2: I mean we had Johnny the Johnny Stanton touchdown.
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Speaker 3: I think a couple of Thursdays ago.
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Speaker 2: We had Jimmy Garoppolo getting Trey Lan's goal line usage.
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Speaker 3: And if you saw that Saints game, Alex Arma.
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Speaker 2: Gotten your boy, your boy, my boy, and I had the Saints with
my money line dog pick of the Week on the Action Network NFL podcast.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean those guys you can't you can't waste money on in a main slate or something, but certainly for these showdown slates, this is when you should be taking guys like that. So that's why Elijah Penny is a good call to night.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if it's not Elijah Petty, don't forget Michael Burton may be back from the keep.
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Speaker 3: Guys.
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Speaker 2: Hey, you never know, man, Like you got to mention these guys for people playing on these slates, because all it takes is hitting that one min price guy, because like the other five are going to be pretty self explanatory, especially if you're making multiple lineups.
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Speaker 3: It's like, okay, some combination.
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Speaker 2: Of like Hill and Kelsey and Tony and Shepherd and Jones or you know what I mean. It's like, that's very straightforward. It's just like which one of these other guys?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Michael, Michael Burton has a chance? Was it Anthony Sherman who did Andy Reid call sausages fingers?
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Speaker 3: Was it Sherman? I think it was a long time. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So the Chiefs fullback is always a threat for you know, at least one Vulture touchdown the season.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely all right, So that is uh, that's going to do it for our deep dive into fullbacks for the money night DFS slate. Let's get onto Waivers because it's a big week and we both we did not plan this, but we both have our our Titans.
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Speaker 3: I have an Oilers had on, You have the Titans had on.
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Speaker 2: But it's an honor of our boy Derrick Henry, who up to this point just never goes down. So he's out for six to ten weeks with a foot injury.
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Speaker 3: I mean, who knows.
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Speaker 2: It could be the season, especially if the Titans you know, run into some trouble and don't end up making the postseason. That's hard to believe now after they beat the coach, but you never know. So Sean will start with the running back and the news is the big news is that Adrian Peterson has signed with the Titans as expected to be called up here. I think this is like you have to just buy AP right like this is this could be a fifteen to twenty every week carry roll for AP right off the bat. And that's probably why he was holding out until something like this happened, because as we saw last year, like Adrian Peterson can still play like he might not give you a crazy efficiency, but he's still going to average you know, like four yards of carrier in the high threes and carry the ball at fifteen twenty times a game.
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Speaker 3: So what do you think of AP here?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's hard to get too excited over AP. I think a more exciting thing would have been, you know, the Titans trading to get Melvin Gordon or even like a Marlon Mack type. But you know, they added Adrian Peterson and whether you like
him or not, like you said, he should get fifteen to twenty touches a game. Granted they don't add somebody in the next couple of hours after done recording, but that's enough to get our RB two type value. Certainly, I think Jeremy McNichols will still be the pass catching back, so's he's an added in PPR leagues of course.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, I've already.
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Speaker 1: Been able to add AP for free, and like Scott fish Bowl, I was able to drop Leveon Bell, who's on a buy this week and I can't imagine ever playing him, so I was able to drop him and add AP for free. But yeah, tomorrow night, if if the Titans haven't really traded or added anybody else, uh, this is the time to use your number one waiver ad and you know, every remaining fab dollar you have. Because we're so late in the season, we're not going to really have anything like this pop up where there's so many touches that are being handed over to AP. I don't know how he doesn't hit, you know, I don't think he might not be a league winner, but certainly you know, high floor RB two play this late in the season, definitely worth number one waiver ad this week.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I don't know about every last dollar, but I'd be willing to spend at least fifty fifty percent.
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Speaker 3: Like well, just because how much do you have left in the season? I hardly Yeah, I use my fabu.
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Speaker 1: If you're only using half of it, what would you be waiting Like, what situation would you be waiting for at this point?
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Speaker 3: I don't know, like.
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Speaker 2: Something again, something like this, But it's just I mean we're still in Week eight. It's a when we have one, we have an extra game, Like, you know, I just want some flexibility closer to the postseason, I feel like, because you know there's still like that's when you can kind of look at the last few games and kind of say, okay, I might want this defense here, and you know, they're just different things you kind of want to want to do with your roster later in the year to sometimes like I'm not doing earlier, so I might need that flexibility. So I mean I almost never spend it because I mean, even up to now, who are the guys really worth spending on that? We're also expensive like that have really hit. I mean Truba Hubbard.
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Speaker 3: I guess you could say Elijah Mitchell turned out Mitchell.
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Speaker 2: But even he wasn't like people weren't spending like every dollar on him either. You know, it's like Ye's never hasn't been that guy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if I just feel everybody is smart enough now to stash these high upside backup running backs. So that's really tough. So I'm in some leagues where I have like ninety two dollars out of my one hundred dollars budget. That's over because I've been bidding on like a defense or a good kicker that week for a dollar or two at a time, Like the time has come, like if you if you meant I'm not going to miss the
playoffs in those leagues, But if I end the season with more than fifty dollars left in the tank, what was the point? So you know, I might not I may or may not put in a hefty bid in our league. So I'm trying to gauge how much you'd be willing to bid, But I could I could see bidding over sixty dollars on the guy, unless unless you think there's some other situation that's going to come up later on, which I don't know if we can.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just maybe I'm just a more conservative bidder.
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Speaker 2: But that's also because I do kind of what you say where I stash running back, so I'm never in like dire need of a running back. You know, I have, like I have like five six running backs on my bench in almost every league that I can use in a pinch.
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Speaker 3: So but I do understand it.
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Speaker 2: The only thing that worries me about spending like every dollar on him is, you know, we don't know what he's been doing this offseason.
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Speaker 3: We did see him.
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Speaker 2: He had a fifteen or more carry game in every month of last season, so it's not like we saw he can kind of stay healthy and he's conditioned, but we you know, running backs still do get hurt. He is thirty six, Yeah, so there is some risk where you might get him for like a week.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah he is.
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Speaker 1: He is far from a slam dug. Ye, don't get it twisted. But plus, you know, we have the trade deadline tomorrow. We could see some you know, major news, some some other thing can come up where I'm saying, okay, never mind spend spends your fab on this guy. So a lot can happen over the next twenty four hours, for sure.
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Speaker 3: That's also a good point.
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Speaker 2: It's like the trade deadline has not come and gone yet and so that I mean could also make some other situations. Yeah, you want to have at least some some some money left over to bit on some other guys. But McNichols, you know, we should talk about him because you alerted me to the fact that some people think McNichols might be a factor in this backfield. I think he'll be a passing down factor as always, but that's there's a separate role for for the passing down back. It's like Darrenton Evans, Jeremy McNichols. That's one role, and then Henry was the whole other role. They might use ap and like a third guy. Maybe, you know, if they don't sign anyone, maybe they bring back Mackay Sargent, who started the year on the roster. You know, we've seen them use wasting game in the in the as a half back two at times. I think he's hurt at the moment, but McNichols has played ninety one percent of his snaps this year have been in the passing game. His career high carries is nine and in those went for eleven yards. He's he's carried the ball more than five times three times in his career. He's never averaged more than three point one yards of carry in those games. This is a and he's a back that his yard per carry drops a full yard from shotgun to under center. So this is not the kind of back that they are going to use in any capacity, like Derrick Henry, Like maybe he gets a couple more snaps here and there, you know that he wouldn't have gotten before a couple more carries, but this he probably won't even be anywhere close to double digits and carries even with even if they don't sign anyone else. So that's kind of my thoughts something Nicholas, Yeah, like, yeah, I agree that. Who would you compare him to, like Nikeem Hines, Probably like Chris Evans, Oh, Chris Evans.
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't know that far.
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Speaker 1: No, No, McNichols is actually playing, he's gonna be three four catches a game if it's a trailing game, script maybe five eight carries. But I just consider him like a Nightkeem Hines game script dependent guy where if AP were to go down, they would just add another running back, right, Like, they're never gonna hand the keys to this offense over to McNichols.
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Speaker 3: You know what McNichols is Kenny gain will Oh God, It's like it's like.
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Speaker 2: It's like it's like, no, there's gonna be two other backs and one of the one of them is gonna be Jordan Howard.
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Speaker 3: And you know, like AP is Jordan Howard.
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Speaker 2: Like it's it's that kind of I just you know, McNichols has never done anything to to where you would think that like, Okay, this guy is gonna like it's it's different from Remember a couple of weeks ago we talked about Deernis Johnson. I was like, hey, like put this guy in your captain spot in DFS. Like this guy, you know, he may he may play a major role. I just don't think mcnichol's role is going to change here very much.
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Speaker 3: Well, his upside is twenty nineteen I think it was Damian Williams.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, yeah. The Titans still have a pretty pretty good.
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Speaker 1: Offense, so yeah, and they might I don't think they're going to run quite as much, so they may lean on a pass catching back more. But either way, we're saying his ceilings pretty limited because we're we we just can't project him for over say eight carries a game, so just be careful. I think he's certainly worth an AD in full PPR formats, but you gotta lawyer expectations a bit. He's not like all of a sudden inheriting the Derek henryroll. That's sort of what aps being brought in to do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I wouldn't bet like McNichols is played between like two and forty percent of snaps. His median is about twenty four percent snaps. Like I wouldn't bet more than like a third of whatever you're gonna bet on Peterson. I wouldn't bet more than a third of that on McNichols. And that's even in PPR. You know, it's just it's a simple fact of it's going to be you're never going to know when to play McNichols because he's probably still It's like Naim Hines.
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Speaker 3: Naim Heines is pretty useless this year.
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Speaker 2: You know, even a guy like Jad
McKissick, who has big games. I think he called eight passes yesterday in the week eight, but you know, you never know when to start him, so what's the point, right, So that's that's kind of how I feel about about McNichols. Let's talk about some other running backs. Then we'll go to quarterback, talk about some streamers. Uh and and of course Pour went out for Jamis, but James Robinson looks like he avoided serious injury with the foot issue, so you know, maybe he's out this week.
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Speaker 3: We don't know at this point.
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Speaker 2: An any interest in specultively adding Carlos Hide or.
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Speaker 3: Just avoid situation.
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Speaker 1: I mean I would avoid it because it seems like Robinson may return this week. But you know, if you're in a deep, deep league and you're desperate, certainly he can't go wrong with adding Carlos side. And I was surprised to see how involved he was in the passing game. I think his Proux rona is over sixty percent, which is unusual for Hyde. He had six catches for forty yards, so he would be the workhorse back. So you know, if Robinson were him as time this week, sure he'll be a low end RB two if that so I'll probably pass because it sounds like Robinson should be able to play through this, and it sounds like he's shaping up to be more probable than doubtful this week.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind adding Hot, especially if you can get him cheap, because there's all this like if people are probably gonna bit mc nichols anyway.
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Speaker 3: So it's like, because remember we we record this.
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Speaker 2: On Mondays, and last week it was like, oh, Miles Sanders will be fine, and then next thing you know, he's on. Like I ar so like these overly optimistic early news injuries, Like I never trust him, like I always like when you injure your foot and you're a running back, I'm like, all right, like you probably, like any lower body injury, I'm like, you're probably gonna be out at least a week, unless it's like just a hamstring strain, then maybe you could kind of gut gut it out or you're Antonio Gibson and you just play through like things.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a good point because this week seems like a really good waiver. We Like last week you're asking me about smash Ap, Ryan was like confuseding, why why are we adding this guy? But you know this week Carlos Hide could be you know, for free, you can get him for free. And is there any reason to rush James Robinson back this week for the drivers? No? So yeah, he could end up sitting this week. So again, if you're desperate, you need, you know, a running back for cheap this week. You could do worse than Carloside.
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Speaker 3: People are desperate because my boy Ken asked me.
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Speaker 2: He was asking me if he should drop like Odell Beckham, Henry Ruggs or or Damian Williams, you know, because he needed a roster spot. And I'm like, Damian Williams easily, like he's not involved, and he's like, yo, I
don't. I can't drop Damian Williams, Like I'm that thin at running back that I just need to have. I need to hold on to that hope you know of Damian william And then and of course then Damian Williams has like negative fantasy points and get in the process.
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Speaker 3: So I mean, maybe.
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Speaker 2: Listen to me next time, but no, like this, people are desperate.
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Speaker 3: This is the point. Yeah, people are desperate.
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Speaker 2: So it's like if you can even if there's like only a ten percent chance or what's questionable technically it's supposed to be a questionable.
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Speaker 3: They play like about two thirds of the time.
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Speaker 2: So if there's like a thirty three percent chance that Carlos Hide maybe the feature back for the Jaguars, I think I think you add him, especially if you can get him for a few bucks.
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Speaker 1: Why what wasn't your boy adding Michael Carter the past couple of weeks.
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm pretty sure Carter just got drafted and never dropped.
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Speaker 2: I saw that he was the running back one this week, so you know, I mean, I'm glad because I did write him up in a couple of our action like round tables for you know, preseason sleeper. It went bad after like a week or two. But he's coming on strong, okay, speaking of rookies and sleepers, and I'd be Kenni's Gainwell was a huge disappointment. So I guess the question is because now not everyone's rostered Boston Scott yet either, he seems to be the lead back. He had twelve, so it's the carries were very even, twelve for Scott, thirteen for gain Well, twelve for Jordan Howard.
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Speaker 3: Because you're playing the line, so of course you can run the ball.
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Speaker 2: Forty times, but Scott played forty five percent of the snaps. He was the guy that was in the game early when you know, it was still in doubt. He was the guy, you know, getting most of the carries. He was the only one of the three to get a target. He and Howard both scored two touchdowns.
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Speaker 3: But I mean, is do.
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Speaker 2: They just look at Gainwell as essentially I guess more of I don't even want to say Naim Hines, because Naim Heines I feel like was he was a little more involved as like an all purpose guy. But I don't know, it was just it's just a weird thing with Gainwell where it went from like being heavily involved in the passing game to still not being the starter. When when Sanders goes down but he also didn't get a target and gets thirteen carries, it only goes for twenty seven yards. I mean, what do we make of Gainwell and do we just add Scott?
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Speaker 3: Oh god, what a disaster.
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Speaker 1: I mean, last week, we have to be careful by looking into this game too much. Let's be clear here, the best runner on this team is still Jalen Hurts, and I think last week it was just the you know, the blowout really led to all these backs getting usage. I think Gainwell will be the back to roster going forward when they're in more negative game scripts, which I expect the Eagles to be. So I wouldn't give up on game will quite yet. And like I told you and Freeman last year, heading into the season, I wanted to get a tattoo like that movie Memento to constantly remind myself never trust Eagles running backs ever, just don't trust them.
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Speaker 3: And we're in that situation.
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Speaker 1: Again where you know, I'm not going to fall in the trap in trusting Boston Scott or Jordan Howard. Certainly, I'm sticking with Kenneth Gainwell. I think going forward the Eagles are going to be in evaluation mode for the future, and Gainwell they still view him highly. He's more of a past catching backs. I think going forward, Gainwell was still the running back zones.
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Speaker 3: So I'm looking at the play by play now.
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Speaker 2: Boston Scott got the first six carries, Jordan Howard got the next three, Boston Scott got.
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Speaker 3: The next five.
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Speaker 2: Kenneth Gainwell did not get to carry until twelve eleven in the fourth quarter.
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Speaker 3: Yeah that sounds fair, right. I was watching that game. I was watching that game pretty closely. It was not good. It is not good. That's not good at all. It's not good. That bad.
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Speaker 1: Oh man, It's hard to trust any of these backs. And I will say Boston Scott was my one of my favorite backup running back stashes last year, So it'd be really rich if I turn on now and then he just tears it up the rest of the way. I would just say, let's wait and see when they see a normal game script for them, which is gonna be a trailing one. I think that's when Gainwell will step up. But yeah, no, there is nothing good to take away from that game for Kenny Gainwell. So that's why I think it's it's a bilo opportunity on him.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so, all right, what better question? Game?
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Speaker 2: Will was probably already rostered because he was getting some hype, but Scott Scott also led the like he was kind of that same backup when Sanders went down that game? Is he Because I think a lot of people are going to be again stuck on McNichols.
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Speaker 3: Would you add Scott over McNichols.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I would definitely add Scott over McNichols. Because he could actually be in RB two the next couple of games. And how long do we expect Miles Sanders to be out?
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Speaker 3: Is it non ire? Is at least three games?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean two more games, But I just don't know if it's expected to be longer. Like we said last week, we thought he might play, I'm guessing he'll be out for say two more games. So if you really need help for the next two weeks, definitely add Scott, whereas McNichols might have rest of season value, whatever that may be. But yeah, certainly I'm on board for Scott as a short term ad wait and see, but he might require a pretty big bed because you
know, he did good. He scored two touchdowns, So I just think he might be a little bit too pricey when next week it could be a hot hand approach and you know it goes to game or Howard. It's just it's really tough to take away too much from this game, That's all I'm trying to say.
00:26:13
Speaker 2: What about mark Ingram, would you add he's thirty seven percent rostered. He had eight touches fifty two yards. But they're gonna have to rely on him with you know, Winston going down.
00:26:22
Speaker 3: And remember Camara.
00:26:23
Speaker 2: Wasn't always a guy that would get like eighty nine, like twenty carries a game. I should say, you know, eighty ninety percent of the backfield carries. That was more of you know, Tony Jones went down with Tavias was released because he didn't want to take.
00:26:34
Speaker 3: A pay cut.
00:26:35
Speaker 2: So mark Ingram now is back in that Withatavious Murray role. He has to be rostered everywhere. I think he's my number two priority behind ap.
00:26:43
Speaker 3: What do you think? Yeah, I would agree with that.
00:26:45
Speaker 1: And you know, I my boy has always been Latavious Murray the past few years, backing up on Kamara because he took over the mark Ingram role. So now that Ingram has that back, Yeah, with with Jamis out, it's gonna be interesting to see how they handle this, Like is Taysom Hill going to be the permanent quarterback? Will maybe run heavy either way? Ingram is a Alvin Khmer injury away from RB two value, so certainly Ingram would be my number.
00:27:10
Speaker 3: Two ad as well. All right, let's go quick through quarterbacks.
00:27:15
Speaker 2: I'll just give you some names of potential streamers. You know, obviously we have the Jamis injury, So you know, if Taysom Hill's going to start, but he might not, it might be Simeon.
00:27:25
Speaker 3: Are you interested in any of those guys?
00:27:26
Speaker 2: We have Mike White going against the Colts on Thursday night, coming off a four five yard game to a tongue of Bailoa gets used in this week there for bottom five against quarterbacks. We could have Tyrod against Miami if he's healthy. And then Justin Fields was the top three quarterback this week. You know he's only roster twenty two percent of leagues, but he's facing Pittsburgh. So those are kind of the guys for this week. Anyone stand out at quarterback to stream?
00:27:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll just quickly go through these guys. I think Taysom Hill is the no brainer ad in my opinion. Again, maybe we'll we'll find out more this week how they intend to use Samin and Hill. But if they intend to use taysoon the way they did last season when Drew Brews is out for that three to four game scratch, you know he's going to be a low on QB one just based on his rushing upside alone. So he is the no brainer ad for me, and great matchup this week against Falcons, and then next up it's Tua. I was saying, maybe you know, I I use them as a streamer play a couple of weeks ago and inst to the Jaguars and I said, maybe keep on your bench this week against the Bills because he faces the Texans the next week, so he opens up as a low end QB one here for me this week.
00:28:35
Speaker 3: We'll have to see they might trade away DeVante Parker, there could.
00:28:38
Speaker 1: Be some messy things going on, or or to a yeah or Will Fuller, Yeah, getting ready to plan anytime soon.
00:28:47
Speaker 3: But he's not really a football player.
00:28:48
Speaker 2: He's just a guy who wears football uniform sometimes and then chills on and.
00:28:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah so byo loo by high on Jayleen Wadle like he could have a huge second half, long story shot. Yeah, if Tua doesn't get traded, he'll be a good play this week. And then further down, I think Tyrod Taylor, I couldn't play him this week. I think he'll certainly raise the value of Brandon Cook's potentially Nico Collins, but I'm not targeting him with Tua and taste him available and then yeah, it was it was fun to see Justin Fields finally break out. It was mainly due to his rushing ability. But again, I can't project him for anything more than one hundred and eighty five passing yards right now, so he's he's pretty limited in that aspect, So he's still a low end QB two for me.
00:29:32
Speaker 3: How about you?
00:29:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't mind like stashing him on a bench if you have space, because if he's gonna run like if he's gonna run like this, which worked, then it kind of changes everything because that's what we're looking for kind from the start. Yeah, you kind of called it out that he might not run as much as a guy like Lance, but he should be running, yes, so he can grow yet absolutely if he does, then that changes everything. But yeah, it's it's it's toua for me this week. You know, Do said something on the telecast. You know he you know, he's doing the NFL now. He said he just kind of assumed it was gonna be Simon and you know, so, I mean, I don't know for sure about that, but I do know that when Taysom wants that quarterback job, he kind of went back.
00:30:15
Speaker 3: To his like special teams role and everything.
00:30:16
Speaker 2: So this might be a situation where you know Simeon played well they beat the Bucks, they might stick with him and keep Taysom in that in that wide receiver you know, tight end and running back role.
00:30:26
Speaker 3: So that's something to monitor.
00:30:28
Speaker 2: But I don't mind the speculative ads of Taysom Fields even Tyrod, because anytime you can get a guy who's gonna run, you know that is that is what you want for upside. But right now I think Tua just if you need that high floor starter for this week, it's Tua. And either way he's gonna be on one of the two teams that played. It's either gonna be He's either gonna be on Miami or so either way.
00:30:49
Speaker 3: He's playing in this game.
00:30:51
Speaker 4: Playing in this game one way, or I want him to play on the team the playbook though, Yeah, But when it comes to
justin Field, it's like there's a chance the Bears could trade away Alan Robinson.
00:31:05
Speaker 1: Now I think for fields development, they probably don't want to do that. But if they were to trade away Alan Robinson, I mean that would that would hurt Field's big time right.
00:31:13
Speaker 2: Well, no, he would lose like one passing yard right now, he just add like five scrambles because.
00:31:18
Speaker 3: No one would be open, so I'd actually write approve of.
00:31:21
Speaker 2: This trade, like I want fields to just run every drop back like I wanted to have design runs and then scramble the rest.
00:31:27
Speaker 3: Of the time. That's it.
00:31:28
Speaker 2: I don't want them to agree. I agree, all right, quickly, let's go through some pass catchers. A wide receiver I think. I mean, hey, I'm adding Jamal Agnew if I can, you know, twelve targets last week, six catches thirty eight in a touch, six targets, five catches seventy eight yards a week before, seven targets, six catches forty one yards the week before. I mean, at this point, he's we just kind of got to add him and hope for the best.
00:31:52
Speaker 3: If you're in like a buyee crunch.
00:31:53
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, you got to be in a pretty big crunch. But you know, I've been keeping up with the Agnew slash slander up until about week five, and then I finally said, okay, yeah, we can probably count on you know, four or five catches a week from this guy.
00:32:08
Speaker 3: So certainly in.
00:32:09
Speaker 1: Like PPR legs, if you need, you know, bye week help. You can't go wrong with the Agnew anymore.
00:32:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's more productive than like half the receivers and more than right, Yeah, I mean a lot of people over the past few weeks, I mean seven, six and twelve targets. We know Urban Meyer is a wild dude, so it takes a wild dude to you know, start a number thirty nine at wide receiver. But here we are, I mean, agnew he earned it with all those all those returns for touchdowns, so I mean he probably had yes, so.
00:32:40
Speaker 1: He finally so Erba Meyer finally found his Percy Harvin roll guy right backroll after a hurt should should all.
00:32:48
Speaker 2: Just continues to face Plantah. Elijah Moore has six plus targets in four of the last five games. But you know, we played thirty six percent of the snaps last week with Corey Davis out, So this is one where it's like, I guess, do we trust the underlying metrics or do we expect the snaps to kind of equal the you know, the production going forward because we know rookies tend to kind of break out a little more down to stretch.
00:33:14
Speaker 3: Uh, what do you do with Elijah Moore here? Yeah?
00:33:17
Speaker 1: I mean I'm only holding on to him in deeper league, certainly Dynasty formats, he's still a whole. I mean, he's one of the best rookie wide receivers in this class. I'm sticking to that, So I'm not too concerned about the thirty five percent routes run last week. We can't trust him in our starting lineups until he, you know, goes back over sixty percent routes run. And I wonder if last week, you know, they had Denzel Mims leave the team in routes run at seventy six percent. I wonder if that was like an audition for the trade deadline or something. So if they if they were to trade away mems and or Jamison Crowder, which I think is certainly possible, That's what's going to be nice to have Elijmore on your bench. But if they keep all these guys through the trade deadline, then I'm gonna stour a bit on More because it's just too crowded in the wide receiver room. And no, you mentioned Mike White earlier. No, I'm not buying in on Mike White. After that four hundred yard game. You know, I'm still projecting this offense diaverage around two thirty passing yards. So there's too many there's too many targets to go around to really like Elijah Moore unless two or three of these guys go down.
00:34:17
Speaker 2: Well, Denzel Milltons left the game early with a finger injury, So that's not good.
00:34:20
Speaker 3: Oh that's not good for his trade value.
00:34:22
Speaker 2: No, yeah, it's not Van Jefferson. I mean he has to be rostered everywhere. If you if you haven't already six plus targets in four of the last six games, eighty four percent snaps the last two. And remember Deshaun Jackson was you know, granted the ability to seek a trade there. They made him an active last week. So the last I want to ask you about, like with Cedric Wilson playing as well as he does, is does that ruin like the Michael Gallup stash? Like do we think that it's possible Gallup is not like that bona fide like ninety percent snap player that he was prior to the injury.
00:34:56
Speaker 1: No, I still think Gallup will be that ninety percent player. And I've always said, like, if if either Cooper Lamb or Gaalp go down, Cedric Wilson has wide receiver three potential. So it has been crazy to see Wilson's step Up. I will say that Gallup's upside is limited due to the Dalton Schultz breakout, though, so when when Galup is back in the lineup, I still think Dalton Schultz is going to be a fact rum in this offense.
00:35:20
Speaker 3: So that's that's.
00:35:22
Speaker 1: My concern when it comes to Gallop. But I think they'll still be giving Gallup eighty percent or plus routes run once once he gets back to full health, Like when he returns this week, potentially he might be splitting time with Wilson, but in the long run, I think he will be an over eighty percent routes run kind of guy.
00:35:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a little concerned. I think Wilson's a better player, a better slot rule.
00:35:42
Speaker 1: Oh.
00:35:43
Speaker 2: Like I think Wilson just like if you watch him, because he also returns kicks, so he just watch the way he kind of moves.
00:35:48
Speaker 1: Like.
00:35:48
Speaker 2: I think Gallop was like well suited for more of the outside deep like deep roll, but they kind of wanted to switch that up this year. So just because Wilson's playing so
well, I think that you're going to see more times when Gallup comes off the field, and like you said, Schultz is breaking out to you you're not gonna go four wide, maybe quite as much as you would have if all the all four of these guys were healthy before that. But I just think Wilson's earned his way into a little more playing time than I would like for Gallup, for Gallup to be like a wide receiver, gotcha.
00:36:16
Speaker 1: So basically you can't really trust Wilson or Gallup. Yeah, exactly, And that's kind of yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mean I remember banging the tables for Gallop heading into the season. I was getting heat and Mike Williams a lot in that range. Let's just say, I've been pleased with Gallup, but I've been pleased with Mike Williams.
00:36:32
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm with you.
00:36:33
Speaker 1: I'm not too excited about Gallup when he returns, but I still have him on the bench or on the are and a few because if if either Cooper or Lamb go down, I mean Gallup or Wilson and or Wilson will step up. So that's why I just like to have as many assets on a passing offense like the Cowboys as possible.
00:36:52
Speaker 3: So Gallup is still a bench holds for me for sure.
00:36:54
Speaker 2: Next up here on the Fantasy Flex is a segment we call Elite Entries where Sean and I dive into the Prize Picks app and compare our player projections to the props.
00:37:04
Speaker 3: To build some entries.
00:37:06
Speaker 2: John, start us off with your prize pickawed entry for this Monday night football matchup with the Giants and the chief.
00:37:14
Speaker 1: So I'm going with Tyre Hill to go over half a rushing yard. This is a pretty straight for a prop. If he gets a design carry here, he will go over. Now, there's no guarantee he will see a rush attempt, but he has gone over this fifty nine percent of the time dating back to last year. This year, he has gone over five of seven games. And I think with the Chiefs, you know, coming off an embarrassing loss or three and four, they're not going to mess around here. So I think they will give Tyrek Hill at least one jet sweep. They kind of have to to make when he goes in motion trick the defense.
00:37:50
Speaker 3: So I think we'll see that here.
00:37:51
Speaker 1: And I think you've made some great points this week that you know, Patrick Mahomes might be a little bit more conservative to avoid turnovers, So certainly just giving Tyreek kill the ball directly.
00:38:01
Speaker 3: Hunter jet sweep. There is one way to do that. So I love the over a half rushing out for Tyree Kill tonight. Yeah.
00:38:07
Speaker 2: That's always been a staple of their offense and something I think they get back to heavily in this so I wouldn't be surprised to see him get a few carriers.
00:38:15
Speaker 3: For me.
00:38:15
Speaker 2: I'm going Mi Coole Hardman over three and a half receptions. He's went over this in only one of the first four games, but in each of the last three games, so he's been over in four
of seven this season.
00:38:28
Speaker 3: And he mentioned it earlier.
00:38:29
Speaker 2: His average depth of target is decreasing. It's seven and a half this season, so he doesn't need a ton of targets to go over this number because he's getting high percentage targets and in this spot, I do expect Mahomes to be more conservative to take the check down, to take the underneath got route and put it in the hands of guys like Kyreek, like Hardman underneath and let them work after the catch. I think that's a better way to play offense for the Chiefs, given this high turnover rate that they've been kind of struggling through. So m Cole Harman over three and a half or receptions. That's our elite entry for Prize Picks for Monday Night Football. Shawn's going with Tyreek Hill over a half a rushing yard. I'm going Mkole Hardman over three and a half receptions. As a reminder, Prize Picks markets do move, so you want to get on the lines fast in order to lock in the best numbers. If you haven't created a Prize Pick account yet, check out the link in our episode description. They will match your first deposit up to one hundred dollars. Or you can visit prize picks dot com and use the promo code Action ten. That's act ion one zero. All right, now back to the show, all right, and at tight end, Dan Arnold he needs to be rostered four percent seven seven point seven targets four point five catches forty seven yards with the Jaguars in three games, so he's he definitely needs to be rostered.
00:39:48
Speaker 3: We don't even just spend time on him.
00:39:49
Speaker 2: I just wanted to ask to quickly about you know, Friar both because Ebron was out so far, Mooths saw an increase in production, but it started to be trending up even before before that because Ebron was completely ineffective. I mean, maybe he's traded, maybe he just realized he's he should.
00:40:06
Speaker 3: Retire like Vance McDonald. I don't know.
00:40:09
Speaker 2: I mean, should we roster friar Mouth is kind of a speculative, a second half of the season guy, even if you know Ebron is going to come back.
00:40:18
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:40:18
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And in my tears, I've been banging the table for baby Grunk for a while now, and it was nice to see Ebron ruled out. We got to see Firemuth step up. I think he was a number two tight end this week. Yeah, it was a low scoring week for tight ends, but he was still the number two. And go watch that touchdown if you haven't seen him. This guy is a real deal, and I think he's been under the radar because he's in the same draft class as Kyle Pitts. I mean, who in his own right is a generational talent, may end up being the best tight end of all time. But Firemouth was drafted in the second round. Any other draft class we'd be all over him. So he's he's a sneaky ad and deeper leagues, you absolutely need to roster this guy. And yeah, I think the Steelers have to move on from Yeric Ebron. They have to find a way to get Firemuth. You know, over sixty percent routes run a game going forward, even once Ebron comes back. And also you know Firemuth is benefiting from Juju Smith Schuster being out. You know, Week six was the first game with Juju out of the lineup, and he posted seven catches for fifth eight yards. So I think there's still upside once Ebron comes back because of the whole vacated with Juju al lineup.
00:41:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree.
00:41:23
Speaker 2: And this guy's just one of their most talented pass catchers and they are grasping for straws on offense and they just came out of a bye. So with its fire Muth was good going into the buy, he's good.
00:41:31
Speaker 3: Coming out of the buy. I think you had him and then Foster Moreau.
00:41:34
Speaker 2: I think he'll still be like a low end tighten one if Waller missus again. We don't really know his status at this point, but he was kind of a late scratch a couple of weeks ago.
00:41:43
Speaker 3: So they're coming up to buy now. But that's going to wrap it up for our Week nine.
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