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Welcome to Generations Kevin Swanson with you today.
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An exciting this episode of this episode for dads.
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I've been looking forward to this.
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Uh Bill Roach and Danny Craig with me in the studio.
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Thank you, gentlemen, for joining us on this important uh program.
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How to be financially wise in any circumstance, particularly the circumstance we're going through today, which is uh a tightening of the economy.
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I don't think there's any question in anybody's mind that there's a tightening going on, hence the recent election.
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That was a little bit of a pushback against they're always blaming somebody for this.
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But uh, by the way, let's say from the outset that any kind of economic whatever is a function of the providential oversight of Almighty God.
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He's over all of this, so let's keep that in mind.
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But uh a couple of the stats to get into this program.
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First, gentlemen, average hourly earnings for families has sagged 1% in the last year.
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It's pretty significant.
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Credit card debt is up 4.5% over just the last year, that's year on year.
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Credit card delinquency, whoo, 13%, up from the average of 8%.
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So we're almost double what we normally are for a credit card delinquency.
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Also, don't forget the 30-year home mortgage is now what, 7.24% as of this morning.
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Um, and housing affordability off the charts, 44% of the budget now.
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44%.
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That's almost half the budget.
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Typically, I think families put 25 to 30 percent in housing.
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Today it's upwards of 44 percent.
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So hardly anybody can buy a house.
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Tough times.
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Oh man, it's very, very difficult.
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In the proverbial words of that prophetic voice of the 1970s, Merle Haggard, uh, the good times ain't over for good.
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Okay, so I just quote a little bit of Merle there for a second.
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But I'd also like to add this God is good all the time.
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God is good all the time, all the time.
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All the time.
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God is good.
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God is good.
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Yes, thank you.
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Um, and God has been good to us.
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Can we start there?
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Amen.
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I mean, I look back over there.
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Have been times, you know, where I had this problem with anxiety over finances.
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You know, you're starting out, you're a new dad, you feel this responsibility for mom and for the two, three, four, five kids showing up.
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And it's so easy to tip into anxiety.
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But uh, by God's grace, uh, you know, I I think that was an area of victory for me.
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And then we we fought over budgets somewhat.
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I mean, well, there was tension over budgets.
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We didn't really fight too much, but tension.
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I remember the tension.
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You know, we look pulled the budget out, and it was like suddenly there is this, and it was it's it was me.
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And I had to confess my anxiety and my you know, God is good.
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What am I being anxious for?
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Right, right, right.
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Our father feeds the birds, he's feeding us, he's never had a a bad day.
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I've always had breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
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He's never had a down market.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And we've been doing just fine.
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Thank you very much.
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We had two two times in our financial life where we moved from the corporate world into you know ministry life, where one time we went from 80,000 a year to 8,000 a year, and then the second time when I joined Czech, I went from about a hundred thousand to thirty thousand.
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So there have been those moments where we've adjusted our income, but by God's grace, we we did just fine.
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Thank you very much.
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Amen.
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Thank you, Lord.
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Amen.
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So I'll start with that.
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Start with that.
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God is good all the time.
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I get to get a button here.
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When you look at that verse in Timothy that says, you don't provide for your family, you're worse than an infidel.
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That's significant.
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That is significant.
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We feel that.
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We feel that.
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We do feel that.
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And but like you said, we're gonna put our trust in God.
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We're not gonna be anxious.
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But that is a significant burden in in some
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way on a man's shoulders.
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Do you you feel it?
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Yeah, we feel it.
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You feel it?
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We understand that this is a real thing.
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So, you know, I want to say for the outset, I'm gonna say this for the outside some big picture stuff.
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First of all, the more you prepare as a young man from 16 to 26 years of age, the better it goes.
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So, you know, that's why how the world runs and your part in it.
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I wrote that for 14-year-olds.
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To, you know, if if it's just a little vision, a little preparation, a little, you know, financial preparation for, you know, developing your own microeconomy, very, very important.
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So this I think is probably practically the most important thing I've contributed to the generation's ministry in the practical sense.
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So so I said I say that, but uh Bill, big picture.
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I want you to speak to the dad just starting out.
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You know, he's married, he's got a child, a second on the way, and he's worried about finances.
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What can you say to him?
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Trust in the Lord, number one, right?
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Seek God's kingdom, as you said, and all these things will be added unto you.
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But I mean, from a practical standpoint, my mother pretty much gave me one line spend less than you make.
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Yeah.
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Spend less than you make.
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It doesn't matter how much you make, it matters that you spend less than you make.
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Now that that doesn't mean that she didn't want me to go out and find a better job to try to make more money, but uh none of it would work.
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If you make a half a million dollars a year and you spend six hundred thousand dollars a year, you're gonna get on Dave Ramsey's show and he's gonna call you stupid.
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That's pretty much what he does.
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Right?
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Yeah, don't of us want to be on Dave Ramsey's show, but I do that every once in a while just to get a dose of reality, right?
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You gotta eat rice and beans.
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You're stupid.
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You know, everyone it's good to every once in a while it's good to get a Dave Ramsey shot in the eye.
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How do you train your kids?
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Uh how did you train your son for this?
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Yeah, I I and again, it uh try teaching them first and foremost that you gotta trust in the
Lord.
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So let's go and see what God says about money.
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We go to the Word of God, what do we do with it?
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Um you know, there's blessing in labor.
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There we had we had one specific thing uh that we did.
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We were teaching them how to handle money.
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This is something we had to teach, right?
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Because it doesn't come naturally.
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So you gotta teach them how to earn it, you gotta teach them hard work, then you gotta teach them how to save it.
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Remember the Dear Abbey uh article said that the sign of maturity in a young man is he can have money in his pocket and not spend it.
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That was a sign of maturity.
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So you gotta learn how to earn it, you gotta learn how to save it, you gotta learn how to spend it, how to wisely spend it.
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And then you gotta learn how to give it.
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And that includes tithing and giving.
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Whole chapters, by the way, on that.
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Oh, yeah.
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On each of those areas and uh how the world runs and your part in it.
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Um my dad would say something simple and funny.
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You get these things from your parents, you know.
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Watch your pennies and your dollars will look after themselves.
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That was a little thing he would put down for us.
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And there were times when we were very tight on the mission field.
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My dad lost half of his support when he, you know, became a little more biblical and God-centered in some areas, and some of the churches were not as God-centered as my father was like to be during the 1970s, and we lost half of our support at that time.
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And uh we we got to the point where my dad was going to the bakeries and getting the the crusts of bread, because Japanese would would not eat the crusts of bread.
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So we lived on bread crust for about three to four years during that period of time.
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There would have been between 76 and 79, somewhere somewhere in there.
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You made it too.
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But uh I did really well and actually got to the point where I like the bread crust.
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Whenever the uh the banana bread comes out of the oven, guess what I go for?
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That's right.
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The rare jewel of the thing.
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I cut both sides off first.
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That's right.
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For me, you learn to be.
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So, Danny, give us some highlights.
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Give us some high points.
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What do you do?
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We're talking about, you know, things are getting tighter.
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How do these uh dads function?
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Yeah, Kevin, uh I was thinking a little bit about my upbringing too.
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And um, my parents also were very frugal.
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I'm very thankful for that.
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And I think that's something that I want to give to my kids.
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I I married a wife who's also very frugal.
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Um, but it it's it's a it's a little bit of a different way of looking at the world.
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Um there's you you you you you know you see a 2003 Toyota Corolla, and you're like, that car could work for me for you know a long time.
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I could squeeze another 127,000 miles out of that thing.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Um, you know, and and that's a great example.
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You know, I I grew up around these, you know, another culture because we were missionaries in Russia for a while, and they would have nicer cars than they would have houses.
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And that that that never made any sense to me because that's just not how our my parents raised us.
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You know, invest more in your dwelling for your family, and and then some of these ancillary things don't need to be nice.
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So just that that frugal mindset, I'm really thankful for.
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Can you explain what frugal means?
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Because I I've heard that word, and I don't know that everybody understands because sometimes people get the idea that frugality is this miserly person.
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What do you say when you say frugal?
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Um I'll give you an example.
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My grandfather, and this is where it comes from, uh, was a Harvard MBA graduate.
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And uh about in in in early in his life, he decided that he was just going to work a very basic job at the local newspaper, buy an acreage for his family, and raise all of his kids on this acreage and teach his kids how to work.
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He was very careful with his money, but very generous.
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They had missionaries in their homes uh in their home all the time.
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When he died, he uh he still had uh a coal furnace that they heated their house with, and every morning he would put on his uh tattered jacket and close it with baling twine because the zipper was broken.
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But he died with over a million dollars in the bank.
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That's Bruggel.
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That sounds a lot like my dad.
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Um my dad is probably the most generous person I know.
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I mean, he handed off his inheritance to us ten years ago, and and he's living on very little today.
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Um and extremely generous.
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My father hardly made anything in his life.
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Hardly made anything.
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I don't think he had a year, you know, today's dollars where he was earning any more than 30,000 a year.
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So but he handed off a significant inheritance to six children.
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Yeah.
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And and yet Yeah, bread crusts.
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And yeah, you know, he he had used very little on himself.
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I interrupted you on your what you were saying.
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But carry on, yes.
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Yeah, but my point was just it's there's another way of looking at the world, thrift stores.
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Um you don't need so much of what the world tells you you need on a regular basis.
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Um, another thing that I'm thankful for is um I had a mentor before I got married, and he drilled this into me pretty well.
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He says, Danny, it's not about what you earn, it's about what you learn.
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And I found that to be very helpful because the point there is don't chase the paycheck.
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Obviously, first of all, we work for the Lord.
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So that's number one.
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But secondly, uh what he was encouraging was a mindset of skill development in your work and developing proficiency and competency.
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And I think that um there's a real trap in chasing making as much as you can for your family if you're not actually more focused on developing skill and competency that will actually allow you to advance in the marketplace.
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And so um I would say, yes, be frugal, but on the flip side of that, uh, do seek to improve your the gifts and abilities that God has given you uh for the purpose of making more so you can provide and then give more.
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And the key principle that you brought out earlier is stewardship.
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Ultimately, it's stewardship.
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We're given certain talents, right?
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Let's double those talents.
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Right.
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And uh that includes all of the gifts and all of the abilities and all of the the resources, preparations and resources and the and the heritage that God has given to us.
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I mean God gave me an amazing heritage back to my grandfather, right, who was uh business manager at Wheaton College in the 1970s, has managed in U.S.
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Steel for a number of years, uh but a godly man with you know a tremendous amount of um contributions to the local churches and and then you know two of his children become missionaries and on and on it goes.
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Right.
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So you know I have great heritage and I f I I feel an obligation to that heritage because I'm grateful.
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Right.
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And because I work for a good master, by the way.
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Let's remember that too.
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If you're a steward, who do you work for?
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Well, a great master, right?
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And that is Jesus, the Lord Jesus Christ, who gave his life for me.
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Um but let's answer this question because this is where we're headed today.
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When money is tight, what do we do?
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When money is tight, what do we do?
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So this is the theme of today's program.
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Is it ever a good idea for mom to help with generating some income?
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Well, I I want to address this, and I know there might be a bit of controversies surrounding this, but in the modern world, uh, there tends to be this idea that you've you're supposed to place all of the curse on mom.
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Oh of it.
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You just dump all the curse on mom.
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She gets to bear the children, she gets to toil by the sweat of her brow.
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She gets all of it.
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I just don't think that's fair.
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I just don't think it's fair to take a big old dump truck and dump it all on mom.
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So I think dad is primarily responsible.
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You mentioned 1 Timothy 2 8, which is that, you know, the dad is primarily responsible to take care of mom, and by the way, grandma as well, and the other widows uh connected to the church or to the family.
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But dad, I think, does need to sweat a lot.
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I just want to say that.
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Well, why?
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Because that's Genesis 3.
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Dad should sweat a lot.
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Not say that mom doesn't consider a field and buys it, and she does.
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And that's okay.
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Right.
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She considers that and she does it, and she's she's out
there as an economic provider, and I'm okay with that.
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Right.
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But let's not put the bulk of the curse or the burden on mom.
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That's all I'm saying here.
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So there's a point at which I think dads need to say, okay, how do I do this, Genesis 3?
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How do I do this 1 Timothy 2.8 thing?
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Right.
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Am I really sweating?
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Maybe that's a good question to ask.
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Am I really sweating all that much?
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That's a great point.
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Um, and and sometimes dads probably need to take a second job, something like that.
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You know, and and let's let's not forget fundamentally that when I was gone for eight hours a day trying to set up my insurance agency, my wife was generating income for the family by taking care of everything at home while I was something you can't be doing because she was a generator of income in a different way.
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Because you weren't paying public you weren't paying Christian school bills.
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Right.
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I wasn't right.
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I wasn't I wasn't paying Christian school bills.
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And she was running the household.
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I came home and and the household was run.
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And and consider it's not just daycare, it's also who is going to really spend all that time to nurture the faith and character of those children.
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We talked about that in another program, but you've you know somebody's got to be putting the 724s into this.
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Mom's doing it, and then dad comes home and he contributes as well.
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The other thing that comes to mind, Kevin, is speaking to that dad is seeking wise counsel.
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Um uh by God's grace, I've been able to walk alongside a uh uh couple of dads in this area.
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And um, I think that there's uh uh things we miss as dads about our finances and hey, maybe ways we could uh trim or maze maybe ways that we could improve our value contribution to the marketplace, maybe ways we could progress in our careers.
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So I think just surrounding ourselves with three or four godly counselors.
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Uh I remember when we built our house a few years ago, uh, you may remember this, Kevin.
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I I put together a budget and a plan, and here's what this is gonna look like for our family if we do this project.
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And I sat down with you, and I think I sat down with you.
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Trevor Burrus, Jr.
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I think we did have a conversation on that.
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And I appreciated that very much.
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Um so just uh this could be really helpful to get a broader perspective on things you may be missing and and ways to creatively address that situation.
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Trevor Burrus, Jr.
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Let me throw out some Bible verses, uh seeing if you know there's some wisdom in scripture on this.
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And and by the way, I try to address the hundreds upon hundreds of Bible verses in relation to these real life questions and how the world runs.
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Right.
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But uh 1 Timothy 6, verse 6 speaks of having food and raiment.
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Let us be there with content.
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So also we brought nothing into the world.
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Certainly we can carry nothing out.
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Godliness with contentment is great gain.
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Hebrews 13, verse 5 as well.
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Let your conversations be without covetousness and be content with such things as you have.
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For he has said, I will never leave you nor forsake you.
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Um a sense that you know what, it's all coming from God.
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He's paying attention to these things.
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Where's kids?
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You know, if if your children you know were, I don't know, stashing cornflakes in in their bed.
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Let's say, you know, just in case dad's not going to feed us, I think you'd be kind of bothered by that, wouldn't you?
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Like, now wait a minute.
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I have fed you.
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You've had breakfast for the last 2,476 breakfasts.
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What are the odds of you not getting breakfast tomorrow?
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So I think we need to remember God's goodness, that God is there, God is taking care of us, and uh and we don't need to be worried about these things.
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Um, in in terms of expenses, can we talk about expenses for a little bit?
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We talk about income.
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We need more income, we need a second job, what have you.
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But uh in terms of of expenses, there are three classes of people in America today.
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There's the rich class, they're doing pretty good.
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The welfare class buys stakes on food stamps, and then there's the homeschool family of ten.
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That's the third class.
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They're in the back of the store.
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Those are
the only three.
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They're in the back of the store picking up all the three-day old food to distribute at their local co-op or church.
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So there's these three classes.
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Okay.
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You have the rich, you have the welfare class, and then you have the homeschool family of ten.
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Also, there's a tiered element in our society today.
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If you can't shop at Neiman Marcus anymore, you may have to shop at Target.
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If you can't shop at Target, you may have to shop at Walmart.
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If you can't shop at Walmart, you might have to shop at the Salvation Army store.
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If you can't stop shop at the Salvation Army store, you're probably gonna have to go to the Reformation Church clothing drive where we hand out 25,000 pieces of clothing um twice a year.
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You follow me here.
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In other words, America has quite a number of tiers.
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And uh and I would talk about this with my wife.
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I'd say, you know what?
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I mean, we we there's some there is some safety netting in place here.
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Let's keep that in mind.
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Yeah, I think and you know, you you you look at your budget and you say there's just not enough money here.
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So there's two two things you you have to do.
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Number one, you look at how can we earn some more, but you also look at how can we save some more.
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And you're mentioning those kind of things like food.
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I I remember my mother had a tight, tight budget.
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You know, she's a single mom living by herself.
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She told me she would go to the store on Sunday night when she knew that the whole rotisserie chicken was gonna be half priced.
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She knew exactly the time that they were going to reduce it.
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She bought buys this chicken, and then that's her meat for the week.
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She would spread out all of it.
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So you can make cuts.
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But if you think, well, I got to have my coffee and I've got to have this and I've got to have that, and we don't have enough money, well, you maybe need to think about being tighter.
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And the other thing I would say on expenses too is expanding your family skill set can actually reduce your expenses by quite a mile as well.
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Uh having a significant uh experience with a variety of household type of uh you know skills, whether it's painting or
repairing an appliance or uh fixing your own roof or doing your own landscaping, mowing your own lawn, um, making your own, you know, kombucha and kefir and and and and um that's that's uh a way that my wife has contributed significantly uh to our family.
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Now she's not the one fixing the appliances, so that's where I step in.
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YouTube how-to's YouTube how-tos can really help in fixing I mean I remember early on, I think I replaced the ignition on our oven four times, something like that.
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I mean, this thing kept going out over and over again, but I just learned how to replace it with the two screws, not a big deal for 1995, versus calling the guy in for$175.
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Right.
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And I it honestly I think the average young man should be able to replace an alternator in the car.
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You know, now there's certain things that are hard to replace.
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I I get that.
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The the gas pump that's you know inside of the gas tank, that's hard.
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My dad bored a hole through the through the floor of the car to get into the gas tank in order to replace that thing.
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You could do that, that's a possibility, you know.
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Replace your gas pump in the gas tank.
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But uh certain things you cannot do, but but it seems to me there's a fair number of car repairs that you can do fairly simply.
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And uh and I encourage uh young men especially to to do that.
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We've got a section on some of that and how the world runs and your part in it.
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Um obvious things, uh areas to cut in terms of reducing spending, restaurants, you can eat at home, pack lunches, reduce your coffee shop visits, um vacations, travel, you can stay closer to home, entertainment, cut the concerts, the movies, uh streaming subscriptions, things like that.
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Um home improvements, you can delay the remodeling, you can fix some of your own stuff, etc.
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So you think about this um there's a fair amount still to be done.
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Right.
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Now you know, increase now housing, let's talk about housing for a second, right?
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Because housing is a biggie.
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Mentioned what 44% of the budget.
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How do we do this?
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Now we can stack up family members in a home.
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We we see this.
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We see, you know, young people, not just sons but daughters as well, staying at home.
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And sometimes they can contribute something to the income of the household.
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Right.
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Think about that.
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Right, right.
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The household economy.
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We've we talk about household economy quite a bit.
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It's a whole chapter on that and how the world runs.
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Um, but you know, even at 14 to 16 years of age, it's possible that we can be doing some things to add an additional three, four hundred dollars per month to the household income.
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So all of this is possible.
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Thoughts on housing, thoughts on income, thoughts on some of these things, Bill.
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Can I tell you one story of one area where you should not cut?
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Personal experience.
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A Christian school teacher in the mid-1980s, late 80s, I was making$13,000 a year.
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To say money was tight was an understatement.
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Um, and I I got to the place where somehow my mind got messed up, my heart got messed up, where I thought, you know what, one area I can save on is this tithe area because I am giving my life to Christian service.
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It is my tithe to God.
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I I messed it up in my mind, and I stopped tithing for a period of about six months.
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I mean, I was so poor, Kevin, that I got the car from the missionary when they were done with it.
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That's how poor we were.
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And but what happened was that six months that the tithe, I didn't tithe, I all more bills came in, the car broke down more, everything.
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And I actually did the numbers.
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I actually lost twice as much money as if if I had tithed the money when I really looked at it.
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And God just got a hold of my heart.
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And I'm not saying doing it from a financial only thing, but don't don't cut the tithe.
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That needs to be the first fruit that comes off of the income.
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And let me piggyback off of that, Papa.
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Uh, one of the things to the point of housing and helping a young family get off the ground, we we have been blessed in so many ways.
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We have been given bags of clothes by families in the church who, you know, they were done having kids and and we got those.
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And that's been a tremendous blessing.
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I've I've been given two cars.
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They were older cars, but they were a huge blessing early on in our family.
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Um, and and now by God's grace,
um, we've been able to do some of that for others.
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And that's been one of the the joys of our life is to experience that blessing from others.
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And and now uh we've tried to apply something of the poor tithe principle uh from the Old Testament and take a portion of our income and set that aside to help others that are trying to get on their feet financially.
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But one thing I can say is we've been blessed far more than we have blessed others by by God's grace.
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I've seen certain circumstances that were hard on some families, and yet, you know, they really connected with the deacons in the church.
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Yeah.
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And uh and there was some real reception of wisdom, you know, and and and a a humble walking together with through these tough circumstances.
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And as I look back, I see these families doing well today.
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Amen.
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And I've come back and commended some of these guys, some of these dads, that were just willing to take some wisdom in and uh and trust God and walk through the hard times and you know, and be consistent.
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And sometimes some of them have had to, you know, take up jobs that you know involved less income than they used to get.
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Right.
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That's tough.
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And yet they're continuing to follow through, they're faithful, they're making a decent living.
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They're humble.
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And they're humble, they're making a decent living, and God's providing for their family.
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So so I we can get through these hard times.
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And let's let's just say the hard times are there for a reason.
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Right.
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And more than likely, God is training us in trusting Him through the hard times.
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What about when money isn't tight?
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That's a good that's a good question here.
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That's a great question.
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What do you do when money isn't tight?
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I mean, sometimes contentment is tougher on people that have more than they need.
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Well, there's two things you can do save and give.
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That's right.
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And those are habits that need to be cultivated in all of us.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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We can eat watching out for those that aren't doing as well at the moment.
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And I think at any on any given year or any given month, we should be watching out for those that are in need.
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Amen.
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Um and and Jesus did say that if somebody asks of something of you to give something to them.
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Why would you withhold it?
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Uh I had um I had uh somebody this morning uh send me uh WhatsApp asking for something, asking for provisions.
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And I I believe that I have an obligation to give.
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Right.
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That there's no ifs, ands, or buts.
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I'm not sure how much, right, but certainly I must give to this person.
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They've asked me for something.
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Jesus said, You must give him something.
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Amen.
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So um so get used to giving because the habit of the Christian life.
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Right.
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Yeah, and I and I I Kevin, I need to grow in that opportunistic giving as well.
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Thank you for mentioning that.
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One thing that's been helpful for us is to bake that extra giving into our our budget as well.
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So that we just know there's uh beyond the tie, there's x percent that we uh are adding as an additional margin and buffer in our budget to be able to uh address some of those opportunistic needs.
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One thing I thought my children, which includes your wife, is that the there's two reasons why God gives you more than you need.
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One is he wants you to enjoy some of the things of life, that he wants you to be blessed by the by the fruit of your labor.
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But secondly, it is to give to others.
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And you need to have that eye to look for where does God want me to give this extra money he gave to me.
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I need to find out where he wants me to give it.
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Well, uh, one of the questions that comes to us here on this list is should Christians expect God to bless them financially for him to fill their barns?
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My answer is God always blesses just in his time and in his way, and we cannot predestine how or when he will do this.
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Right, right.
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We can't demand it of him.
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It doesn't always mean money.
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Um but one thing for sure, Psalm 37 says, I've been young and now am old, yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging for bread.
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And uh that's something I've thought about for a long time is that I haven't seen this either.
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I have been young and now I am old.
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And I have not seen the righteous and his seed begging bread.
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I just haven't to this point.
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And um and so we're thankful, we're certainly thankful for that.
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Should should the Christian toil to acquire wealth, and this is a bigger question, we don't need to spend a great deal of time on this.
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I think we've s we talked about this before, but um, it certainly should not be the primary value in the home.
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I just studied, I think it was yesterday, a um proverb in which it said that uh it's better to be impoverished and have uh peace in your relationships in the home than to have wealth and be dealing with strife all day long, which means that wealth is not your primary value at all.
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It is uh the kingdom of j God, which is righteousness, uh peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.
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Our homes we want our homes characterized, not by wealth.
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We want our homes characterized by righteousness, peace in our relationships, and joy in the Holy Spirit.
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That's what matters most.
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You hear more stories of men on their deathbed that what they wouldn't say that they wish they had worked harder to make more money.
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They often sometimes would say, I wish I had worked harder on the relationships in my family.
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And money is a commodity in which we may bless others.
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Amen.
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I think that's maybe the best way to put it.
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Right.
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Not to bless me, but money is a commodity by which I might invest and hire others, give them jobs.
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It's a wonderful blessing for many families if you can give them jobs.
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And it is a way in which I can bless others.
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And God's great economy, Kevin.
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He says it's more blessed to give than to receive.
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God actually does bless you more when you give it away in tremendous ways.
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I've experienced it.
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Final thoughts, Danny.
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You know, uh I I I I think of root motivation here uh for myself, uh, love for God, enjoyment of God and his blessings, love for others, care for others.
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And those are the things that I need to keep my heart in check at all times because uh in plenty and in want, those are the principles that remain constant.
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And to inculcate those values in our children.
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Right.
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And to exemplify them for our children.
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Well, friends, that wraps up this edition of the Generations broadcast.
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If you have a specific question on this financial thing, please send it in to host at generations.org.
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There's so much more.
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This is a broad topic.
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We wanted to hit it as best as we could today.
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But uh also uh how the world runs and your part in available at generations.org for your children or for the whole family for that matter.
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This is Kevin Swanson, Danny Craig, and Bill Roach.
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Inviting you back again next time as we continue to lay down a vision for the next generation.
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This has been a production of the Generations Media Network.
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