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Hello, welcome to another episode of Institutionalist Podcast.
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I am your host, Joseph M.
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Werner.
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That's L-E-N-A-R-D at the French.
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It's not without a hoe.
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Thank you for tuning in.
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As Gram No used to say on his show.
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Let's get on with the show.
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Hello everyone.
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This is gonna be a quick cheat intro segment.
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I'm gonna be lazy.
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I've got so many guest recordings built up.
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I'm gonna get lazy and cheat on some Saturdays.
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I don't have to dream up a monologue topic this way.
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So, and I'm also not gonna say what guest will be appearing because I'm gonna be lazy and cheat and use this same intro several Saturdays to intro a guest show.
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So as Graham Norton used to say, let's get on with the show.
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Surprise interview.
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Take care, Copla.
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Joining me today is Bill Seniard.
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Well, actually, it says Bill on the profile.
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Is it uh officially William or oh Bill's fine?
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Okay, Bill Seniard, and on we've connected the PodMatch.
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I make no bones that I use pod match as a service to connect with potential guests.
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And your profile there says start living deeply rooted in the love of God that innately loves the unlovable, unloved, unlovely, unworthy, and unlikely.
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And that's all of us on any given day, including me.
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That's a great good, you know, a sense of humility to have.
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I wish it wasn't true.
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Thank you.
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I wish I was more lovable.
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But but I I'm referring to the humility.
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Uh I in a couple of my constitutionalist politics books that kind of correspond, I go into the sin is actually hubris, not pride.
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Uh pridefulness.
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I should be proud of little Johnny hitting the home run at walk-off home run at Little League, right?
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I should be proud of little Sally getting all A's and encouraging her and telling her how proud and happy I am of her getting all A's, right?
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I should be proud at work to put in a good day's work.
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It's hubris, however, to go pounding on the boss's desk.
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Why are everybody out the only one that ever does anything around here?
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Double myself.
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Those are different things.
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Yes?
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Yeah.
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You know, let me unpack that.
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I think that's absolutely right, but let me uh unpack hubris uh uh to two relatable things.
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I think if if the greatest commandments, biblically, Jesus says so, I'm going with it, is to love God and love your neighbor, and and and in implied in that to actually receive God's love, to actually experience God's love, is implied, then perhaps the greatest sin, and I think it comes from hubris, and maybe shame as well, which also might come from hubris, but anyway, is to maybe the greatest sin is not receiving the love of God that Jesus paid for.
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Number two, related to hubris, perhaps one of the greatest sins is I can do this on my own, I don't need God now.
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Oh, and but nail head, right?
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Hammer nail, I mean right, yes, which I'm guilty of every day.
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Oh well, we're seeing a lot of that.
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I I right I say we're in a Jesus revolution too, just like the 70s, the hippie generation, we've returned to if it feels good, do it, it's all about me.
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What do I get?
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When do I get it?
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I want it yesterday, but more and more like then, those who didn't become Bernadine Jorge and Bill Air terrorists, or even more selfish wanting what does government like JFK ask not what you can do for your government, but what you can do for your country.
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A lot of the some of them hippies went on to say, okay, yes, war for me.
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Others owe me.
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I'm entitled, but a large part went on to form the Jesus Revolution and the Church of Calvary, and and that there's got to know your history more.
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There's got to be more than just me.
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And we've lowed we've uh so at the heart of the Jesus movement was an experience of Jesus' love for broken people, people who felt like rejects, people who felt like they were disappointment, people who had addictions, people at the heart of it was this amazing feeling of acceptance from the heavenlies, from the celestials, of those people, of people like me.
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And and since the, and I'll go all the way back to the enlightenment and and and the the bursting out of rationalism, we Christians, we evangelicals, Catholics as well, we've rationalized the gospel into something that's easily convincible and transmittable, bullet points, powerpoint, and it's that's fine.
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But what's
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missing is this relationship, this face-to-face relationship that we label, and I get this all the time, that we label emotionalism.
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And so and I say, no, it's actually emotions, and that's not bad.
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Yeah, I have got a song that I've written.
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I I I used to write and record with actual instruments.
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Those are all sold off long ago because I never got a record deal.
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I'm on disability, I needed the money more than I needed a guitar.
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So I use the Suno AI music system now.
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I've got a song long way to get to this called Inner Animal.
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Indeed, we we have emotions, but as Glasses says about the fool at, you know, with his heart to his left and the wise who uses his brain at his right.
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We are to have emotions.
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We have them.
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Even Jesus, and I go into this in uh in my constitutionalist books, experienced anger and other emotions.
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It's how you channel them.
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It's that you you have to feel, but you can't let it rule your entire life and rule your head.
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You've got to apply logic, reason, common sense for this place to even remotely work.
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But I've gotten, I jumped, I dove us right in the deep end.
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Let's back this trash can up, beep, beep, beep, or trash truck.
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Uh uh what I usually say, where were you born?
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Where were you raised?
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Where are you now?
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Significant places.
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I glossed over that.
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Let's get back to that.
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No worries.
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Yeah, I was born uh uh Coon's age ago in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and I've moved all around uh United States, Canada, been in business, been in sales, been uh in management consulting 30 years as a pastor.
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And uh now that I don't have those responsibilities, I'm writing what I want to write and speaking at conferences and and and such.
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And of course, my newest book is uh this is one that I've put off for 10 years because I didn't want to screw it up.
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It's kind of a this is kind of the lane God has had me in, and you said it at the very beginning that we need to get this word out that this God of the Bible actually, Father, Son, and Spirit actually loves the unlovable, the unloved, the unlovely, the unworthy, the unlikely.
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When something in our brain says, no, he likes the good, he likes the righteous, he likes the perfect,
he likes the and he does this too, but I've never found one of them.
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I don't know anybody that says that the only perfect person to walk this planet, they crucified him.
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Yeah, we're all frail and flawed.
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I've got another song called Complex Beings.
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Yeah, we our emotions, we have moods, things change, right?
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Uh, but indeed, it unless if one suffers hubris, we're all likely to have a bad self-esteem day and feel unloved, unlovable, unlow, unlovely, and those things that you address.
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I've uh I uh I've asked congregations, actually, I did a poll in two congregations uh uh a little while ago, and I asked them confidentially, had them fill out slips.
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I said, What are you afraid of?
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And it was in a Christian context, so I I expected bears and snakes and spiders to be some of the answers, right?
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But would you be surprised 65% again, religious context, so it's just it's skewed, but 65% and more said, I'm afraid of seeing God eventually and seeing the look on his face.
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Well, oh right, that's very honest.
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It's not I mean, because of the cross, it's not true.
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And I bet if I found out who said that, I'd said, you you know the cross says Jesus paid for all of that, and now you he bought the all the the heavenly delight for you, right?
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And they would go, Well, yeah, I know that, but I sure don't feel that.
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And there's this debilitating, debilitating fear in the pews, where and pastors tell me, I've I've done count, I've done consulting for churches as well.
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Why can't I get people to come to discipleship, small group, evangelism?
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Why can't I get people to come?
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And here's the answer, I think, largely, largely, my opinion.
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I've been there, done that, and I failed.
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I fell short.
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Why would I do that again?
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I'm just gonna sit here, not bother anybody.
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I'm gonna keep my head down and just hope.
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I hope that grace is what it says it is.
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I just yeah, well, gosh, God doesn't want that for us, though, either.
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He wants us to engage.
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And uh although I I don't want to push back, but I'm gonna a little push.
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I hate to push it to some people are going to hell.
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Right?
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Sure.
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Right.
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Uh he Jesus did say go forth and sin no more, at least try to sin no more, right?
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We we can be forgiven, but indeed, if you're purposefully, willfully malice aforethought, ignoring all the commandments, I hate to break it to you.
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You probably deserve to go to hell.
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Something's wrong.
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Yeah, so something something's a there's a disconnect there of some sort.
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So I'm talking, uh my book is primarily for the Christians, Christians.
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Now, so let's say these are the ones that are in, and I don't have a meet thermometer to you know to stick in somebody to judge that, but let's assume they have the Holy Spirit in their inner being, Ephesians 3.
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And that's the book, that's why I'm writing this to them, because they're there's just a lot of shame and guilt and fear.
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I was in, I was uh two weeks ago, I was in western Colorado.
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I live in Denver now.
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Oh great.
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Now I'm now I'm gonna have Colorado Rocky Mountain high in my head the rest of the day.
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Go ahead.
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Just the way my stuff to go to the side.
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Yeah, just the way my OCD brain always works.
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There's those intrusive thoughts.
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Anyway, I interrupted.
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Go ahead.
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So check it out.
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So this was in Western Colorado.
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This was a public, this was a bookstore, right?
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This was and I uh it was a number of people came to the table curious about the title, Good Enough Christian.
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You know, what is that?
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And and I said, you know, and there was one lady who came and and she was sixties, maybe seventy, and and she's I said, you know, uh, I wrote this book for you.
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And she said, What do you mean?
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Wrote it for me.
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And I said, This book is written for people who feel like they've been a disappointment to Jesus.
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She looked shocked.
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She started crying, and she said, Oh my goodness, that's me.
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And we went on to have another talk.
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A few minutes later, a young man about 30 came by and he's looking at my fantasy series, kind of a C.S.
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Lewis series.
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And and I said, You know what?
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Uh you you go to church, don't you?
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And he
goes, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I go to church.
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You know, you could and I said, You know, here's a book I wrote for you.
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And he said, uh, why you know what do you mean?
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I said, you know, this is for those people probably like your like me and like yourself, and we feel like we just haven't done enough to make God smile at us.
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And he looked at me and went, What?
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And I said, Yeah, you know, people who feel like they've just screwed up and they can't fix it.
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And he starts crying and he goes, You'll love this.
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He goes, Yeah, I need to get that from my brother.
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Well, I hate to bring this back to hubris, but I'm going to because we have to be aware there are Matthew 23 types, the viper snakes, blind guides that want to twist the scriptures, and you know, uh in their hubris.
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Oh, I'm going to heaven, you're all going to hell types.
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You know, uh, Dennis Quaid, I'm a bit jealous of, came up with the term before I could create it called churchianity.
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Because indeed, there are a lot of those who may go to a building that happens to have a steeple on it, but it's nowhere close to a church of Jesus Christ going on in there.
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So I, you know, I worry about and I pray for those people to find a more appropriate biblical scriptural-based church, and one of the reasons why I started the show, uh, you know, because a lot of people want to just pick or choose a few scriptures like saved by the blood.
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Oh, I'm good.
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Right.
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And gloss over the context of faith without works is dead.
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It's all gotta be together in context.
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The good, the bad, the ugly of it all.
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Yes.
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Oh, totally.
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And and that's a you know, and that's it's complicated.
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And it is.
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Here's what I found.
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Here's what I found is is I'm giving a gospel message that Jesus actually loves the unlovable.
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Uh, I'm giving it to Christians and non-Christians.
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See, what I found is we're all beat up.
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Uh, we're increasingly aware of our celestial loneliness, even though we don't label it that.
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We're we're certainly aware of broken relationships, and I can actually use the same, and there's a chapter in the book where I'm talking to uh kind of a composite of unbelievers uh using this this logic.
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Instead of talking to them about theology, I talk to them about kind of, hey, how yeah, how's it going?
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How's your path going?
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Uh how are your relationships going?
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Would you consider yourself lonely?
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Those kind of things.
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And and I push the uh uh the conversation to the point, and here's where I tell people when I train evangelism is you want to get to the point where the person says, uh that's too good to be true.
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And you go, there it is.
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And if I've convinced them, like, yeah, that's reasonable, I've missed something because it is too good to be true.
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And it is true, and and so we want to keep pushing people, and again, back to the rationalism and modern apologetics.
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We've boiled it down to we've tried to make the gospel reasonable.
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And you know what?
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It it's reasonable in God's head, but it's beyond anything, it's beyond any relationship that I know that God would actually love.
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I look, God loves me, a sinner.
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He loves me as much as the father loves the son.
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Jesus paid for it, that's it.
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And I I've got that, but God loves me as much as the father loves the son, and the son loves the father.
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Well, I can't explain that.
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I'm stunned by that.
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I don't love me that much.
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You know, and it's even way above right uh in my the book of Kennedy Project Carpe Diem, I discuss the four different types of love, right?
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Even a parent loving a child is still not the same as the agape love our creator has for us, and our creator loves us so much that he wants better of and from and for us, not just you know, uh not not necessarily helicopter parent.
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We are given free will, yeah, but at the same time also not laissez faire, do what you want.
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Hey, I'm your friend, I'm your buddy, I'm your pal.
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No, you need to be the damn parent.
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There's a there's a great quote from a uh a child psychologist.
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I don't think he was a Christian, but his quote's great.
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And it's uh his name is Bronfenbrenner, but he says every child needs at least one adult who is irrationally crazy about him or her.
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Well, I need that.
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And that's and that's actually that's the heart of the gospel is through Christ.
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For
for me, there is one person who actually is irrationally, humanly speaking, crazy about me.
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And through the Holy Spirit, Paul says in Ephesians 3, I can actually begin to feel that a little today.
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I don't have to wait for heaven, for heaven for the full, you know, for the full show.
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But I I can start tasting some of the appetizers and they should make a difference.
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And Paul argues it's that kindness that leads me to repentance.
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I actually need that to change my behavior.
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I actually need that.
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Well, in Ephesians 3, uh uh Paul prays for the Ephesians they would access power from God.
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Well, that should be noticeable.
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Power from God through the Holy Spirit in our inner being.
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I don't know where that is.
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That's above my pay grade.
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In order to begin to grasp the height and width and length and depth of love of Christ.
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Well, that's sophisticated.
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Paul's is implying that something's wrong with me, that even though I have uh Jesus purchased that love for me, I actually need God's power today to begin to experience it today because I've got something, and I talk about that in two or three chapters in my book, something in my brain is preventing me from experiencing the love of Christ.
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I my brain has been so beat up by relationships, I mean, since the since I was born and the doctor spanked me, right?
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And so it's it's defensive mechanisms are preventing me from being loved and preventing me from actually loving.
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I've done so much pre marriage counseling for people, I see it over and over and over and over and over.
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And when people realize it's not all your partner's fault, it's you know, it's largely your brain.
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And and your brain has got this defensive mechanism, and you don't see it because you're it.
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And and so the Holy Spirit apparently has this charge from from the uh from the Trinity to actually make Christians experience God's love now and experience God's love for others now.
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And if we don't lean into that, by the way, most Christians have never been told.
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I have a chapter in my book with like 25 quotes through from 500 AD to modern, different denominations, Protestant, Catholics, different theologies, and they all say the role of the Holy Spirit, the passion of the Holy Spirit, the charge of the Holy Spirit is to make us feel the love of God right now.
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You know, and and the question I asked right after all those quotes is Christian, do you believe this?
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And I would say most Christians really, I I think this is true.
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I can't you know, I can't prove it, but I believe most Christians have never heard that.
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I wrote down two notes while you were talking.
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First one, Satan.
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Satan.
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That little devil on your shoulder constantly trying to convince you you're not worthy.
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You will never be worthy.
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You are not good enough.
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You can never be.
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Right?
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So you've got that counter force trying to uh uh uh convince you that indeed they convince you to use your terms you're unlovable, unloved, unlovely, unworthy, and unlikely, and never can be, which is as you're saying, not true.
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And the other is you use you use the words above my pay grade.
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I I can't begin to tell you the number of times I've either said that on a my own show or another show.
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Like I talking about UFOs on paranormal, the new normal show.
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Genesis does not say, and God created life on Terra and only on Terra and only on this one-dimensional plague life created here.
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It doesn't say that.
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So not even in the Hebrew, yep, right.
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So it doesn't preclude God having created life elsewhere and them happen to be able to get here.
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So but but that's all about Prague.
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And God, and the other thing I say, God just goes back to hubris.
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God does not owe you all the bleeping search.
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He doesn't owe you that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, and in that conversation uh that I made uh that I have with uh that uh composite non-Christian, I say that.
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It's kind of like, you know, all these questions you have, if I give you answers to your satisfaction of all these questions, which I can't do, but if I could, would you then follow Jesus?
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And and in my book, the person goes, well, yeah, follow's kind of strong.
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I might I might investigate Jesus, right?
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It's not the point.
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The point isn't that I don't know everything.
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The point is I don't want to give up my independence, hubris again.
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I don't want to give up I don't want to take that risk with Jesus, and that's that's
the big deal.
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And and evangelism should get to that point where the person where you say to the person, hey look, and I say this to the person because he says I've explored Buddhism, I've explored Hinduism and Islam.
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And I say eventually, I said, Look, I I don't want to offend you, but it looks like you're afraid to follow Jesus.
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I get that, you're not alone.
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It would be much safer for you to pursue any of those other paths.
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And if if that's what you're looking for, please do.
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If if you want to actually have your life changed and rattle your brain, uh let me introduce you to Jesus, but he'll change your life.
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And I've got no problem with Buddhism.
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I've talked to this before, especially on shows that were meditation.
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Buddhism as a philosophy is great, it's wonderful, it's got some great talents.
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I reject it as a religion, however.
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That's interesting.
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But that's an interesting perspective.
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There is a difference in those two there.
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Right?
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I don't reject all the aspects of the other face, but I you know what I mean?
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I I think you understand what I'm saying here.
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I I think that's very intriguing.
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Good good on you.
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Uh I'm not sure where to go next.
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But now, what I I but to say, I have Phil Seniard is who we're talking with.
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Go ahead.
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In the book, what I've done is is uh Hold it up.
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You got it there, hold it up for those of you in on behind the scenes video.
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There it is.
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Good enough Christian.
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Yes.
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It's written for the regular person, it's not written for theologians or pastors, just kind of sitting around the coffee table or around the bar or whatever, and and talking about I wish there was more.
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So in the book, I give seven biblical, uh neuroscientific and attachment theory reasons why we have such a hard time receiving the love that Jesus purchased.
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We Christians, I'm talking about.
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Um, not counterfeit Christians, but the real ones with the Holy Spirit in us.
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And there's seven it's normal, seven reasons, humanly speaking, everybody has a hard time receiving love.
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And then I talk about here's some things that
biblically you can actually do about it to begin to experience the vastness of Jesus' love that he purchased for you already.
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And and what I tell people is, you know, don't try all seven.
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Pick one, pick two that you can actually work on and have questions and an exercise to do, and it's be gr it's good for groups because you could do it together and encourage one another.
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But my goal is is to have uh people I I spoke on the love of God, this love of God for the unlovable at a church on Valentine's Day.
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And and uh after it was two services, after the when I did communion, I said, Look, here's what I want you to do for communion.
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I want you to ask the Holy Spirit to make you feel the height and width and length and depth of the love of Jesus before you come up and take the take the bread of the wine and then go back to your and just just let it seep on you, right?
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Just just experience that.
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Well, during the break, during the coffee break in between services, five men came up to me and men came up to me and he said and they kind of looked around and said, I think I think I experienced the love of God today.
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Five men said that.
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One in tears, and a dozen women said the same thing.
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Well, isn't that interesting?
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I mean, they've been going to church.
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And some of them, by the way, had an experience that one person said for decades.
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What are we doing?
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And we're teaching people really well, and I'm for that.
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I'm a teacher.
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But relationship.
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Jesus paid for relationship.
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He paid for relationship.
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Follow me.
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It really is personal, and I think many of us, you know how we pastors hide behind pulpits.
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I think a lot of Christians are hiding behind theology.
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What do you think?
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Yeah, and and with that, I'm gonna wrap it up and say, and we are to want to share that with others, and by sharing, I don't mean taking your Bible and beating people over the head with it.
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That's not what I mean, right?
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Little acts of random kindness shall be known by your fruits.
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Show you're a Christian, not speak that you're a Christian.
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It will be right at the old rush, not Limbaugh the talk show guy, the Canadian rock trio, show don't tell, song.
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Show don't tell.
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And you will bring more to Christ than beating people over the head with the Bible because they're gonna have the knee-jerk human reaction of, oh, this guy's just nuts, get him the heck away with me.
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Yeah, if you ask him if you know Christ, oh yes, yes, I do.
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Uh he'll tell you anything just to get away from you.
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You're not gonna be able to do it.
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Jesus says they will know you are Christians by your by your love.
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Not by your theology.
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Theology is good.
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I'm a theologian.
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I love theology.
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Jesus said they'll know you're a Christian by your love.
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And he said, you know, he expanded that for your enemies.
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And uh that's tough.
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Oh, we're above my pay grade.
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In my the book of Kennedy Project Herapium, I have Kennedy, the female lead, says, you know, some people make it hard to love them.
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So it's best, it's best just to love them from afar.
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Like, loving you doesn't mean I have to put up with you all the time.
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I will pray for your soul.
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Have you met my neighbor?
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So the usual Christian show, so can't avoid the pun.
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Proverbial last question, right?
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See what I did there, of course.
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Uh well, I see.
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That's why you're the host and I'm just the interviewee.
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Website, where do people find you?
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Yeah, they can find me at gospel-app.com.
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There's a lot of resources on there.
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My my doctoral thesis was on how to biblically forgive.
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I think we've screwed that up.
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And so you can find information on the forgiving path.
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Uh the books I would point people to Amazon, Kindle, and Audible.
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And particularly this one.
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Uh Amazon, Kindle, and Audible.
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Uh yeah, get them.
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It's award-winning.
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It won an international impact award.
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Secular awards.
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Which is fantastic.
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The idea is they looked at the book and said, Oh, this author's trying to make an international impact.
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And I went, I think that's just the gospel, isn't it?
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I think Matthew 28 was kind of that award.
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I'm just so uh that's why I would suggest I also have a book in the series Good Enough Parent.
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Uh similar thoughts.
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A lot of people need that.
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A lot of people need that.
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And the other one is coming out in January, Good Enough Prayer.
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And I look at my top 20 prayers in the Bible, and it's a very strange list that does not match anybody's that I know.
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All right, thank you, Bill Senyard.
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Gospel.com if I can get the word out.
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And it will, of course, in post, I'll put it for those viewing behind the scenes video on the five video channels.
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It'll be on the bottom of the screen.
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For those viewing, uh hearing on the 40 plus audio-only platforms.
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You should have written it down by now.
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If you haven't, again, it is Bill Senior and is gospel-app.com.
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Thanks for stopping by, Bill.
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And I will be tacking on a few of the tunes that I mentioned, like I wrote down.
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I'd like to listen to them.
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I'm gonna tack on my tough love song, my complex being songs, my inner animal song, and the one I recently wrote, which is an ode to Supergirl.
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The Supergirl movie is better than people think it was.
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There's a lot of hate on that movie, but the message, the bottom line message is a good one, and so I wrote a song about that uh called If You Claim Goodness, be nice.
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Because a line in the movie is of her mother saying, You don't always have to be nice, but I expect you to be good.
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So I quote that in the song and go on to say, Yeah, but if you claim goodness, you should be nice.
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You know, I think you're having way too much fun.
00:34:10.300 --> 00:34:16.380
I why shouldn't we in this process, right?
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It doesn't have to be it doesn't always have to be serious and firing brimstone stuff all the time.
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So thanks again, Bill.
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Take care, God bless, brother.
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Thank you, man.
00:34:45.019 --> 00:34:48.380
Ecclesiastes 10, 2 through 3.
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A wise man's heart is at his right hand, but a fool's heart at his left.
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Yeah, also, when he that is a fool walketh by the way, his wisdom faileth him.
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And he saith to everyone that he is a fool.
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We walk him to the
line.
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Into think, taught, entertain the while.
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You feel it in your bulk when pride starts talking loud.
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I know that hungry sounds it holds you off the ground.
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Go down, out the bed, get a card before it's bed.
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You got a line, you got it, don't fire.
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Do you have to do that?
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You bite the hook.
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One of the fight in silence, then last in the step.
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There we go before the way it gets dressed.
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Can do more than the rest.
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Not every spite is hunger.
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Not every spite is right.
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So dance the bravest dancer.
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It ain't all sweet songs by the fire, warm hands, soft words, pretty choirs.
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If I cut out the thorns from the story, I'd be dressing up a gravest glory.
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This is tough love gospel.
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Not just camp fashion.
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If I sand down the edges, I turn truth into a lie.
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Reality or delusion.
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I can't serve both sides.
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I'm not here just for the choir.
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I'm here with a hurt heart hide.
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Yeah.
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Some pages bleed red in the margins.
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Hard lines, hard calls, hard bargains.
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For your comfort.
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Then your house gets washed in the flood water.
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This is the gospel.
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Not just campfire, change, I stand down the edges.
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I turn truth into a lie.
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Reality of delusion.
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I can't serve both sides.
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I'm not here just for the fire.
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I'm here where the hurt heart hideous.
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Do you want a dream or do you want a mirror?
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Do you want a dark or do you want it clearer?
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If the truth cuts deep, let it cut through.
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Feel better, far that heel, then a sweet lie in your ear.
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This ain't cotton candy truth.
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Ain't a campfire, sing a long rhyme.
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You can't sell sweet dreams while the house burns behind.
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If it never cuts deep, it was sugar all along.
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If you skip the hard pages, you just rewrote the song.
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Mr.
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Top of the gospel.
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Now rainbows on a hire.
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If you have the hard words, you're just fanning the fire.
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I won't preach the loser.
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Just to make it sound lighter.
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If I only to the choir, I'm a singer, not a fighter.
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You can hum on the feel-good line while your neighbor breaks inside.
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Quote hope like a slogan.
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And look away from the crime.
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But a bandage on a bullet.
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Is a pretty little lie.
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If the truth never offends us.
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Do we ever even try?
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This is a tough love.
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Yeah, we're gonna fall on a wire.
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You just end the fire.
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Just to make it sound fire.
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I'd rather lose background and still then paint it great.
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I'd rather stand alone that's why the way Don't forget the call Think Christy on its card.
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Love that never want you.
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Just the best.
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If I always do the choir, singer, not a fighter.
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Oh if I dress up the danger, I'm a liar.
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Not a rider.
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Tough love.
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The Bible isn't just rainbows and lollipops.
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Singing combire around the campfire.
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You cannot ignore the harsh reality drops.
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To peddle such makes you a liar.
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Speaking not just to the choir.
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This, that, and in all things transpire, you can't get it.
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We break, we mend.
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We got moods, we got arranges.
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Quick flips, strange rearrangements.
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Seasons shifting in our skin.
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Quiet storms behind a grin.
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One word, whole day changes.
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Heart rewrites its own pages.
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We're just complex beings, that's what we are.
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Puzzle piece, hearts, little bite-sized scars.
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We got ups, we got downs, do we stick around on a dime?
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We can turn it, turn it all around.
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Complex bees, tangled and true.
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Half of me away, running, half running back to you.
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Complicated yet a life and living series.
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Books spells out the reasons.
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But I love you through the chapters and the seasons Your sunrise, your shutdown, your soft laugh, and a letdown.
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You go quiet, then you sing in every mood, every shade still clear.
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You don't have to sit the long way.
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Both hands full of tiny treasures.
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Do we stay?
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Do we stay through the reasons?
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Let's face that's what we thought.
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We gotta sneak it down.
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Do we stick around all the time?
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We can turn it, turn it all around.
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Let's be tangled too.
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Half of the way you run it, half running, back to complicated yet the books tells out the reasons.
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But I follow you through the chapters and the reasons.
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Seasons and changes We have ups and downs on a dime can turn it around.
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Complicated the book spells out.
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Complex bees, we got moods, we got ranges, little storms in our teacups, whole climates, seasons and changes.
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We go quiet, we go wild, we go tender than tough.
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One word, one look, one moment, can we just complex big trying to make stuff big on these tools, twist inside?
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We fall apart in real line.
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We're just complex big twists, quick and open.
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We gotta sit down on the diamond can turn around Some days I'm the hero, some days I'm the doubt.
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I'm the riddle in the rumor and I'm still working it out.
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Complicated like the book spells out some of the reasons.
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Every chapter, every score, every quiet little treason.
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So if I change in the middle of a sentence, if I laugh when I'm breaking down.
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That's just all my different versions showing up at once right now.
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We're just complex big, breathe, run the next side from these stuff and twist its side, we fall apart and real line.
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We're just complex big, breathe out, we got some jump on the jump and turn around on the jumping turn.
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I've seen it in the small stuff.
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The coffee left on the counter by text the text that says I'm running away.
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No battle for the easy No badge for the polish.
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Just don't make a little better.
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So you hear us the movie gets its punchline and then the credits roll away.
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But real life keeps asking What your willingness is okay.
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It doesn't cost much.
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It's just a little respect.
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This is only story proclaimed to the girl who has become super.
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You don't always have to be nice, but I expect you to be good for that.
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Movie will suffice.
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I declare be nice if you claim goodness, cause nothing share smile.
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Be nice while you're here.
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Be nice while you're here.
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